From nobody Sat Sep 1 02:02:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FD8128CF2 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 02:02:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hiyL29tK_OVF for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 02:02:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCD8C12426A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 02:02:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 02:02:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535792550; bh=KlXElz7vyHn/SE+r/cVD/GKAfvv8Gz5OhnIPhVl2r4k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wuffukUyBhaLtpj2kepfUGwhiaK36XMSYqERmxk6QWvvDLcKW3VbU9OMTCRr5+P4H ckeTnKxp+ad+12+euaMDLm1CrlfWMeCxsFckA7kxeFp2T6NYwzIOdoQZiw19bhIy3Z r+lwyV0Q4Ov1Z2yo/XFYOaYXrHPqh+J5FrUPBrw8= From: "Arvid E. Picciani" Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery: clarification on TLP when sender is outpacing the timer (#1718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8a55a68475a_3e3a3fba110d45c04463ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: aep X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 09:02:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8a55a68475a_3e3a3fba110d45c04463ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TLP is reset on every sent packet. What's happen in my implementation is that the TLP never fires if the sender just keeps sending. If an Ack never arrives, this means disconnect is never detected until the window is full. I'm not sure what i missed in the spec that is supposed to prevent that. timer based loss detection would catch it, but it seemed optional and not recommended. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1718 ----==_mimepart_5b8a55a68475a_3e3a3fba110d45c04463ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The TLP is reset on every sent packet.
What's happen in my implementation is that the TLP never fires if the sender just keeps sending. If an Ack never arrives, this means disconnect is never detected until the window is full.

I'm not sure what i missed in the spec that is supposed to prevent that.
timer based loss detection would catch it, but it seemed optional and not recommended.

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----==_mimepart_5b8a55a68475a_3e3a3fba110d45c04463ba-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 02:44:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B692B130E28 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 02:44:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vzudz0kewn-1 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 02:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E2EC12426A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 02:44:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 02:44:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535795049; bh=uoI/mG05D6sxyS1W+8ZzKFtQ/7N2bZofo7AuYNqScnk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kyq4CAvjpDb4HRZIK1sQWcEr7HLYIBVASYccJs2BwsZ8gAf74Zn9s8ztHaau6lxw/ Jf8uAGfvu3QNh0+zNCoqIUZ1g4YlWrQTlcbgxM/kl9/dHh3pm3St4JFtMaeKmRnsfd AYH4BHRjwDZrtmjKtmKo3N+eVUg0thih6Qc/YurE= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery: clarification on TLP when sender is outpacing the timer (#1718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8a5f691d5a4_7fe83f9ddf8d45c0276695"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 09:44:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8a5f691d5a4_7fe83f9ddf8d45c0276695 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As I understand it, the TLP is there to ensure the receiver sees something that it can ACK, in case a packet is lost. If you keep sending ACK'able content that problem never occurs, and it is fair that the timer is not triggered. TLP is not meant to detect that the peer closed the connection but rather that the sender stopped sending (hence tail loss probe), possibly close to connection close, but not necessarily. If you keep missing ACK's another trigger sets in: you loss rate gets too high and you close the connection. There is ongoing discussions about negoatiating how an ACK can be delayed. https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1715#pullrequestreview-151076864 dead path dection: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1638 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1718#issuecomment-417846905 ----==_mimepart_5b8a5f691d5a4_7fe83f9ddf8d45c0276695 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As I understand it, the TLP is there to ensure the receiver sees somet= hing that it can ACK, in case a packet is lost. If you keep sending ACK'a= ble content that problem never occurs, and it is fair that the timer is n= ot triggered.

TLP is not meant to detect that the peer closed the connection but rat= her that the sender stopped sending (hence tail loss probe), possibly clo= se to connection close, but not necessarily.

If you keep missing ACK's another trigger sets in: you loss rate gets = too high and you close the connection. There is ongoing discussions about= negoatiating how an ACK can be delayed.

#1715 (review)

dead path dection:
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thanks, i didn't these issues are related because they talk about what happens after RTO fires, which never happens in this case.

I also could not find the spec for which loss rate is considered dead. Is this something that is simply not specified or am i blind?

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Mmm - why doesn't RTO fire? If you do not get a timely ACK, you should= retransmit? TLP just helps make that happen faster near the end. Retrans= mit can happen based on gaps in ACK or timeout, or both (from memory, spe= c keep changing). If you only rely on gap in ACK, then yes, it would not = trigger, so that is a bad strategy to use exclusively unless you use an a= ggressive connection timeout.

I'm not sure the critical loss rate is documented explicitly - but per= haps a section is needed to discuss this further? In any case, the loss = rate is highly application specific because you might operate infiniband = where minimal delays a considered critical and any loss unlikely, or you = might be on domestic congested wifi with high loss rates, or on a satelli= te link with large RTT and possible large loss bursts. Loss can also happ= en from DoS attacks or on path attacks and may have to adjust to circumst= ances.

If both peers cooperate, a connection close should happen. If not, a t= imeout happens eventually, and and a stateless reset may happen much earl= ier when supported and when the path is still viable but the endpoint is = not.

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I just skimmed over the recover / loss spec - it seems that RTO is only triggered after TLP fires. In that case you are right. I agree that this seems wrong and not what I would have expected, but I have not read the loss doc very carefully recently.

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----==_mimepart_5b8a66cf1207e_d183f99c18d45c485151b-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 03:20:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C2812426A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Sks5UT2Jlypm for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3740126CC7 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 03:20:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535797235; bh=nVMBujyInCAJWf8RYWiYLW1nk+DgnRRF04kKKmzRChs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=faDVtmX4iChqrq6VxWIT6Yn9NPPNNNbZqHm9Nn/Ca3mt5I3kT7Pl1pfW/A0rE+azY K28ZF/G4LXodwJdkydB2U/NCV9BmwACRunOEUed88oZ7aQtr8rWc2Z4twvVk9TlQFf A7z7QYzn6INGQWfdpQxPycZ8FykXTUlfKXaoqIUo= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery: clarification on TLP when sender is outpacing the timer (#1718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8a67f3bac6e_398f3fe68dad45b8577921"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 10:20:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8a67f3bac6e_398f3fe68dad45b8577921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I mixed up early retransmit timer with RTO. The early retransmit timer ought to be active in your scenario, but it requires some detailed reading to be sure of that. https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#rfc.section.4.5.7.3 -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1718#issuecomment-417848738 ----==_mimepart_5b8a67f3bac6e_398f3fe68dad45b8577921 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I mixed up early retransmit timer with RTO. The early retransmit timer ought to be active in your scenario, but it requires some detailed reading to be sure of that.
https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#rfc.section.4.5.7.3

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----==_mimepart_5b8a67f3bac6e_398f3fe68dad45b8577921-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 03:21:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF0A126CC7 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ggDiSdBPz_4S for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:21:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4CCC12426A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 03:21:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535797274; bh=2BptG7oMUjiE8qHRrMVoXAQHphuvVYCy47o97yBO9L4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dDlV+War8/ioYLO9CerSMXh229KxL3H7NPI4OjJQviOAZ77nXoS8/p4DescOnXrWm mAOsOB+g0Rp8tOwtpf+axKueRKZBsnpYW2oPCL1ixNNseg5yPO19tFe4iL9NyXzoWJ ahHBKUn3yGZCSrYYxC9byawWzZNaTAeWkNE9u6nM= From: "Arvid E. Picciani" Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery: clarification on TLP when sender is outpacing the timer (#1718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8a681a50665_15353f8491cd45c41516ec"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: aep X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 10:21:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8a681a50665_15353f8491cd45c41516ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit yeah kMaxTLPs times TLP are always sent before RTO triggers, https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blame/master/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md#L870 hwoever tlp_count never increases if you dont receive an ack, because ack triggers the TLP. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1718#issuecomment-417848757 ----==_mimepart_5b8a681a50665_15353f8491cd45c41516ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

yeah kMaxTLPs times TLP are always sent before RTO triggers,

https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blame/master/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md#L870

hwoever tlp_count never increases if you dont receive an ack, because ack triggers the TLP.

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good find. early retransmit never fires for this case, that must be w= here the problem is.
It doesnt fire because its only set when there's no loss.

 largest_acked.packet_number =3D=3D largest_sent_packet
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https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blame/master/draft-ietf-quic-recove=
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I think we need to wait for @ianswett to comment on this.

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Maybe the problem is that RTO depends on TLP. TLP reset makes sense isolated but not when impacts triggering RTO. This could be a side-effect of trying to have only one timer active at time.

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----==_mimepart_5b8a6a2b90d86_5b243fea48ad45b8177022-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 03:53:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DD912F1A2 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:53:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRi-HX4LaFTi for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D7412008A for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 03:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 03:53:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535799210; bh=27dO56auCAezGlrWokOPWSYD74ZhiCW/i1egm++eyeI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Nc9nCNBC56WLaO7ibHChP8OfZ+iuFJP+1fLCG2E5tJq1ADu/zI5PCx1bWmU9yxz6T K0dHdosg4ZIu5J5efE9L/qT5/nM0cIIodf3QWiJvvWtbJL9lGNUP/XbaTwLis6Ue2+ nsORRdQBF85MqUn2CjV4M6gnqZ5OTxlQdWVI+62E= From: Lingtaonju Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Draft-ietf-quic-trasport-14 typo (#1719) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8a6faaef82_3e4b3fd8318d45c044882d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Lingtaonju X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 10:53:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8a6faaef82_3e4b3fd8318d45c044882d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In page 36, the name of figure 9 should be "Example 0-RTT Handshake" -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1719 ----==_mimepart_5b8a6faaef82_3e4b3fd8318d45c044882d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In page 36, the name of figure 9 should be "Example 0-RTT Handshake"<= /p>

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You will have to stop sending at some point because you will hit cwnd limited or flow control limit

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@aep already mentioned the window the original post, but that can take along time if you just send small status messages just below TLP timeout.

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@davidben if I understand correctl= y, the main issue is then compatibility with the existing TLS implementat= ions. They expect the EOED to be received before the first handshake mess= age.

For me the simplest way to achieve that without changing the TLS stack= would be to carry the EOED data in the handshake packet rather than the = 0-RTT packet, and then deliver it to the TLS stack while pretending that = it was carried with 0-RTT encryption. The added cost is a new frame type,= but then I could remove all the warts about retransmitting 0-RTT data so= metimes as 1-RTT and sometimes as 0-RTT.

Even simpler of course would be a TLS API option to "not bother with E= OED when running over a datagram transport". That would remove all the EO= ED warts in the QUIC code. It would add some of them back in the TLS code= , but probably at a much lower cost.

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I commented on #= 1715 already. I don't think this works very well, because whatever by= te or packet limit we use depend on the network bandwidth, which is going= to vary during the course of the connection. IMHO, that's why specificat= ions like "ACK at least every 1/4th of the min RTT" are better, because t= hey do not depend on the bandwidth.

The reason for frequent ACK in TCP Reno is not congestion control but = "ACK clocking". The received ACK is a signal to send new packets. Van Jac= obson explains that in his original design: he basically wanted to keep t= he number of packet in transit constant, and ACK clocking achieves that -= - modulo changes in the congestion window of course. If the sender is not= using some form of rate control, the infrequent ACK will cause ACK clock= ing to degenerate. The ACK will open the window for a large number of pac= kets, which will be sent in a single batch. This can cause spikes in netw= ork usage, stress buffers, etc. That's the main argument for sending ACK = at east every 2 packets.

However, even if receivers send ACK every 2 packets, ACK clocking can = still fail. For example, queues on the path from receiver to sender can c= ause ACK to bunch. This will have a cumulative effect, as bunched ACKs wi= ll cause packets to be sent in bunches, causing more bunches of ACKs, etc= . So in practice senders who want to achieve high rates of transmission h= ave to implement some form of rate control.

So my preference would be to not specify anything but a simple min RTT= based limit on ACK delay.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8ad34c8431e_64c3fb64c0d45c0982dc-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 11:00:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17AD130E29 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:00:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kkG_h1J9v0Ur for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:00:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E85B912F295 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:00:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 11:00:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535824815; bh=lY4U5EjvFVd4doV3Nw6oaWygtizqxWcJWaHeo94Yq7Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eOJ3VPs0FDGja+ZcsMql3CX0Tlah32XpHGjMf+K58iyFTHeBsglEA53qQIDUbduIk 3odsMX8BeM3Docez72nqmb+qaJXuvK2mEP4C4O4VkDHZusGw+/xnEkodUyelpELMnR BbrjpUOHazIWFIAEVFTbGFRJY9zRcRKPAWP3PK10= From: David Benjamin Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8ad3af8c3_455b3fb171ad45b4976fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: davidben X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:00:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad3af8c3_455b3fb171ad45b4976fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Right, I'm assuming that, given the rest of the stream zero business, the TLS stack will need modifications anyway, at which point it is perfectly capable of the occasional tweak for QUIC. I wouldn't want to have too many of these and obviously you especially shouldn't change something substantial that would break analysis or future TLS extensions, but EndOfEarlyData seems unlikely to matter much. (Famous last words...) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417876974 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad3af8c3_455b3fb171ad45b4976fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Right, I'm assuming that, given the rest of the stream zero business, = the TLS stack will need modifications anyway, at which point it is perfec= tly capable of the occasional tweak for QUIC.

I wouldn't want to have too many of these and obviously you especially= shouldn't change something substantial that would break analysis or futu= re TLS extensions, but EndOfEarlyData seems unlikely to matter much. (Fam= ous last words...)

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8ad3af8c3_455b3fb171ad45b4976fb-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 11:06:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 245A6130E29 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:06:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ko6MD7pKcvch for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:06:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6A3C12F295 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:06:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 11:06:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535825216; bh=+yPJFZdUf3ang+eCfhafRmG8xwWCzk3q1uQLmB9yx+g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZLuDHVYgjhsLtZ6aJ7NEroFVNlfw+ECuHctfD9rxZmM2FpfDOAhDtAN0vh1Shk1Om 7K8uChJDFfInof6gweeL3djO2X1xM9R8VW2GDtrZh9XiIhgt6HcLAtlZgHO1kz9ac1 y9/ku8T0GJGTwDWScUnk9VjE5t7hFIaj/RKmfyTA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When the sender is using standard Reno congestion control, ack every ~2 packets (#1428) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8ad5403e189_b8f3fd8d58d45bc1521d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:06:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad5403e189_b8f3fd8d58d45bc1521d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for informative background. If it is only for clocking, then frequent ACK's looks an awful lot like a huge hammer. We already have flow control and we could add rules for rate limitiing that does involve very frequent ACKs that can be expensive, for example IoT power use and also context switching on server dealing with many connections. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1428#issuecomment-417877310 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad5403e189_b8f3fd8d58d45bc1521d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for informative background.
If it is only for clocking, then frequent ACK's looks an awful lot like a= huge hammer. We already have flow control and we could add rules for rat= e limitiing that does involve very frequent ACKs that can be expensive, f= or example IoT power use and also context switching on server dealing wit= h many connections.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8ad5403e189_b8f3fd8d58d45bc1521d5-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 11:14:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23BD130E2D for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:14:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GFSmjkTNrVYH for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 558A4130E25 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:14:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 11:14:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535825682; bh=qndNbURn4zTF1yedhAw458Zh38LJmTIddB84vpd8sug=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GJ7dpZPCo15Tm/cUIyvV5ht4LKt8pcqysixYlnJgKmq87dlI80LQ8yqYFpeoArWRt I3uh+laeZ3Pjqz9WwsBbuxlQ/u27wXDBBEsgI913O437MT6UfU8WEg5h7zfxSPjAXG JkaltjkCfxI7RkCjMLOV3VhYNaDjbbFjo9RSxn1U= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add psuedocode for ACK sending logic in recovery (#1716) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8ad712b0493_64c23fadc82d45b4197945"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:14:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad712b0493_64c23fadc82d45b4197945 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe that's just me, but when I am implementing QUIC I treat the recovery spec as mostly informational, something you follow if you don't know better. I do expect that researchers will keep coming up with better congestion control schemes, and that we will keep improving the retransmission mechanisms, or the ACK sending mechanism. Of course, things work better if the receiver is aware of the congestion control algorithm used by the sender. For example, if the sender is using basic RENO and relies on ACK clocking, receivers should send frequent ACKs to try reduce the risk of packet bunching. On the other hand, if the sender is using some form of rate control or pacing, then the receiver should then ACK as infrequently as practical, in order to minimize the cost of ACK processing. And if the sender relies on delay-based congestion control algorithms, the receivers should try send several ACK per RTT, to provide good estimate of RTT evolution. So if we are bound to create new transport options, maybe we should let senders signal which congestion controller they are using. If the receiver understands the algorithm they can optimize. If not, they can fall back to some safe default. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1716#issuecomment-417877754 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad712b0493_64c23fadc82d45b4197945 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Maybe that's just me, but when I am implementing QUIC I treat the reco= very spec as mostly informational, something you follow if you don't know= better. I do expect that researchers will keep coming up with better con= gestion control schemes, and that we will keep improving the retransmissi= on mechanisms, or the ACK sending mechanism.

Of course, things work better if the receiver is aware of the congesti= on control algorithm used by the sender. For example, if the sender is us= ing basic RENO and relies on ACK clocking, receivers should send frequent= ACKs to try reduce the risk of packet bunching. On the other hand, if th= e sender is using some form of rate control or pacing, then the receiver = should then ACK as infrequently as practical, in order to minimize the co= st of ACK processing. And if the sender relies on delay-based congestion = control algorithms, the receivers should try send several ACK per RTT, to= provide good estimate of RTT evolution.

So if we are bound to create new transport options, maybe we should le= t senders signal which congestion controller they are using. If the recei= ver understands the algorithm they can optimize. If not, they can fall ba= ck to some safe default.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8ad712b0493_64c23fadc82d45b4197945-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 11:21:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 493ED1277CC for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:21:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gHr2QEJ9XOEO for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0DA01130E34 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 11:21:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535826090; bh=Mrvc97iG2xrFytXfONhMLSgBiNWvVo7wJbbg8fRebyY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=JauocPSM1zzUTjFqSMIeLjmSq4sLTZP8zjoZuGhJZRkICoXNYTgpIoB+k4ucIk94u Ip8/sopvxHN3qJXys2LeRhdCMcPrVxOG6JbU74luiI4lAp5d3REKvKhdaXz5SPL8nA OH3wiv5eCg4XmXezgtRKGLy++IzTFVnNodwVOVxU= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8ad8aa8be2d_455b3fb171ad45b412362b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:21:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad8aa8be2d_455b3fb171ad45b412362b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't think the main issue is compatibility with the existing TLS implementations but rather (a) having consistency with TLS and (b) reasoning about the security properties of the protocol. From this perspective, carrying it in handshake encryption is quite bad, because it's a big change that's hard to reason about. However, even in a datagram protocol removing EOED does change those properties: EOED tells you that you will not receive messages with 0-RTT keys but with greater PNs. It's not clear if that property is important, but we should try to actually reason about it (this applies to DTLS as well, I imagine). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417878142 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad8aa8be2d_455b3fb171ad45b412362b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think the main issue is compatibility with the existing TLS im= plementations but rather (a) having consistency with TLS and (b) reasonin= g about the security properties of the protocol. From this perspective, c= arrying it in handshake encryption is quite bad, because it's a big chang= e that's hard to reason about.

However, even in a datagram protocol removing EOED does change those p= roperties: EOED tells you that you will not receive messages with 0-RTT k= eys but with greater PNs. It's not clear if that property is important, b= ut we should try to actually reason about it (this applies to DTLS as wel= l, I imagine).

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8ad8aa8be2d_455b3fb171ad45b412362b-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 11:26:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6828130E32 for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EhcGuBRS3Qpc for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 149041277CC for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 11:26:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535826381; bh=oorvfT7cAPlMeJpDH30IE10Vow5Odcot8VWgBmgi8tk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=V/b1KpMHpdoe7xCwi8c4vTYQrcNyB0nt0R7mQDfkCMnhUSAyU9ayyVoItLVYtlvoY PCnyDfLD+RrxlFdI5clZuxZIV/xCtnHzCzC0gKPUec1O7CbCqlJSFudiH9txIq5iNl d3JCbo1cpFw4iAGyJlIoq7GBeycEiCEIEwr5b5qk= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8ad9cdbca6_57cc3fb5702d45b415241e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:26:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad9cdbca6_57cc3fb5702d45b415241e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to follow up on this point, removing EOED does allow a weak extension attack against data in the 0-RTT epoch. Consider the case where the client (a) sends EOED and then (b) is compromised. Under these conditions an attacker will be able to send data which will appear to the server to be in 0-RTT. As I say, this is quite a weak attack because (a) the client could just delete the 0-RTT keys and (b) the attacker would presumably be able to instead send 1-RTT data instead. But it is a change in the properties of the system. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417878401 ----==_mimepart_5b8ad9cdbca6_57cc3fb5702d45b415241e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just to follow up on this point, removing EOED does allow a weak exten= sion attack against data in the 0-RTT epoch. Consider the case where the = client (a) sends EOED and then (b) is compromised. Under these condition= s an attacker will be able to send data which will appear to the server t= o be in 0-RTT. As I say, this is quite a weak attack because (a) the clie= nt could just delete the 0-RTT keys and (b) the attacker would presumably= be able to instead send 1-RTT data instead. But it is a change in the pr= operties of the system.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8ad9cdbca6_57cc3fb5702d45b415241e-- From nobody Sat Sep 1 11:45:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE785130DDC for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:45:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZjSi6hANc3SC for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 403541277CC for ; Sat, 1 Sep 2018 11:45:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 11:45:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535827539; bh=XDd7DYKmei80YKuhgBuWRwRQFp/8lEkqztkeJCq1bpA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NR4bwCB8qsCGy7oXEyBZoypoZ/wyBxBTHNxI7pIcIZ0b9jGnU2HsY2aRujTSNWeIH DxvlLh50wvw8bLeU9JWhuKoe2cu1OHdKtIOwrzyE5X9/eX9nUAvCtdXIiVj2eH/Vq+ Bllhv6dQ/6q4HLsIKl5LMUjNR04e6aICInpM7BOc= From: Subodh Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery: clarification on TLP when sender is outpacing the timer (#1718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8ade5372035_6cc13f7f582d45bc3125bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: siyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2018 18:45:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8ade5372035_6cc13f7f582d45bc3125bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Why are you not getting acks? The peer will use a delayed ack timer which will be practicallly << tlp timer. If the peer is not acting at all then the peer is not going to get optimal perf either -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1718#issuecomment-417879473 ----==_mimepart_5b8ade5372035_6cc13f7f582d45bc3125bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Why are you not getting acks? The peer will use a delayed ack timer which will be practicallly << tlp timer. If the peer is not acting at all then the peer is not going to get optimal perf either

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@siyengar the problem discussed is dead peer detection. its not sending acks because its dead.

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@aep what @mikkelfj said. TLP should not be resetting the RTO timer. That is, even if you want to manage just one timer, you should have a check that if TLP would expire after the nominal RTO, then use RTO instead.

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Dead peers are detected by an idle timeout which can happen before the= window is full. The idle timeout definition recently changed, if you wer= e using the previous one then it=E2=80=99s possible that the implementati= on is setting the timer on every send. However idle timeout will now only= be reset on the first send

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@ekr: I don't think "EOED tells you th= at you will not receive messages with 0-RTT keys but with greater PNs." i= s providing much, since if EOED is lost, the receiver will continue to pr= ocess 0RTT packets with higher packet numbers.

Also, you have to continue processing these 0RTT packets long after EO= ED has been initially received, because the sender of EOED may not know E= OED has been received.

I'd argue in QUIC EOED is actually telling you very little, and I tend= to think it's inclusion is more harmful than helpful. It requires keepi= ng 0RTT keys around and continue processing them for longer. Without EOE= D, you can stop processing 0RTT packets once a single packet is received = with 1RTT encryption, which seems like a much stronger signal.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8c4b339639a_50e63fdae98d45c41227053-- From nobody Sun Sep 2 14:27:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8504A130DD8 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D9mS8Q5uY6nI for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1784F130DD0 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:27:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 14:27:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535923636; bh=UwKD7t6/qbhXSiCzCl6cHuueioVw0UK4G8E1sa6xzrw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Zy9yYdWttOAb/1kuxjw23CEy4R3UOpIEKcpeWBcCgmrRROmruI/575uYaUdIYIIZc KcLXSzHSxGqfB3KcTDADmg6IwTOq6S5ReyD5/YE11eZkWl9ueUWlHnfUb7eecEg+rQ ZJWvmUI7npcHxMElo3TBuF53/Nev2z+6NCMlGBRE= From: ekr Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8c55b419094_7ace3f9ff94d45bc12181c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ekr X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 21:27:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8c55b419094_7ace3f9ff94d45bc12181c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 1. Yes, the receiver will continue to process them if EOED is lost. That's why you retransmit them. 2. You don't have to continue processing higher-numbered 0-RTT packets after EOED is received because the client will never send them. 3. You can't stop processing 0RTT packets once a single packet is received in epoch 3 unless you want gaps due to reordering. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417961039 ----==_mimepart_5b8c55b419094_7ace3f9ff94d45bc12181c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
  1. Yes, the receiver will continue to process them if EOED is lost. That= 's why you retransmit them.
  2. You don't have to continue processing higher-numbered 0-RTT packets a= fter EOED is received because the client will never send them.
  3. You can't stop processing 0RTT packets once a single packet is receiv= ed in epoch 3 unless you want gaps due to reordering.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8c55b419094_7ace3f9ff94d45bc12181c0-- From nobody Sun Sep 2 14:40:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB546130DE6 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:40:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TyfZH5ZEP0Pw for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1CD47130DD0 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 14:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 14:40:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535924418; bh=KKbvxxV/5ckK9hT41jxshEO/FA3p67m/y8HEpEYPJow=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=cwFeI1p9S9XTTNMElqaH+KlHjqYj8KPHWKl8mpXoy1v/n4ZENdcGzF0XMJWV4X71w TlehWSG5/8SM6eT2CPqQV87F0ezXRXkeG/5wRHMjm3b/JUr8sAsk9wPqfsp09Y/b+O s3vornG9nEuowOAQaI6NsCtIrMC/Hi5VCrbJ8WsM= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8c58c2e545d_41423ff33bcd45c42617c9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 21:40:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8c58c2e545d_41423ff33bcd45c42617c9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We do not have a rule in the transport draft that says that clients shall stop sending more 0-RTT packets after EOED has been sent. The separation between transport and TLS prevents that. The TLS stack at some points tells the client to "please forward these bytes on the epoch=1 crypto stream". The client does not know what the bytes mean. It has no concept of EOED. Of course, we could introduce an extra synchronization between the transport and the TLS stack. The transport could tell the TLS stack that it has sent all the queued 0-RTT packets. Or the TLS stack could somehow signal to the transport that it should not send any more 0-RTT packets -- except of course for those 0-RTT packets required to send TLS messages, or to repeat them if no ACK arrives. I am definitely not suggesting that we do anything like that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417961689 ----==_mimepart_5b8c58c2e545d_41423ff33bcd45c42617c9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We do not have a rule in the transport draft that says that clients sh= all stop sending more 0-RTT packets after EOED has been sent. The separat= ion between transport and TLS prevents that. The TLS stack at some points= tells the client to "please forward these bytes on the epoch=3D1 crypto = stream". The client does not know what the bytes mean. It has no concept = of EOED.

Of course, we could introduce an extra synchronization between the tra= nsport and the TLS stack. The transport could tell the TLS stack that it = has sent all the queued 0-RTT packets. Or the TLS stack could somehow sig= nal to the transport that it should not send any more 0-RTT packets -- ex= cept of course for those 0-RTT packets required to send TLS messages, or = to repeat them if no ACK arrives. I am definitely not suggesting that we = do anything like that.

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After EOED is sent, the TLS stack tells the transport stack that further non-TLS data should be sent with the 1-RTT keys at this point. How did you think that the transition happened other than that?

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This is shown in Figure 3 of the TLS draft, though perhaps some more text is required.

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  1. You don't have to continue processing higher-numbered 0-RTT packets a= fter EOED is received because the client will never send them.

I don't get all the details of this but would you exepct higher number= ed 0-RTT transmissions after EOED if there are retransmissions and EOED p= acket hasn't been acked.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8c5e9aa9dba_f0f3f7f582d45bc1629ed-- From nobody Sun Sep 2 15:11:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719C9130DF5 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 15:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T4klbdS85rtF for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22A0E130DF3 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 15:11:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 15:11:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535926266; bh=YmaIZjOlvtuDK7T0E7Y5//vthpewMqynGtA7x9GHscA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iBd2OiqGG7N9kfFG5OZVXXn4AfiCXr8ylaXNYpBHiS7B/buvtTM2vGbJiimWZBpKQ dBz02MWPjgBDD4L/J7ItXEntbnQZ8npmyXdbGaSfL7vBVfqsvSf2Soyna9+haFt0iO HQ/tqpORg7kIkXNoTEFT5NWuPOaLsQXReeS/3U0g= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8c5ffa80ed4_b613fb3baad45b439327"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 22:11:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8c5ffa80ed4_b613fb3baad45b439327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Re #2, it it possible the client misses an acknowledgement of the EOED. If this happens, we either need to rely on implicit acknowledgement, which we've avoided so far, or the client retransmitting EOED and the server ACKing it. Or never stop ACKing EOED until you know it's been received, but that seems more complex? Re #3, I had higher numbered packets in mind, due to reordering. But this seems very similar to how changing key phases would work, which matches my mental model of the 0RTT to 1RTT transition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417963345 ----==_mimepart_5b8c5ffa80ed4_b613fb3baad45b439327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Re #2, it it p= ossible the client misses an acknowledgement of the EOED. If this happen= s, we either need to rely on implicit acknowledgement, which we've avoide= d so far, or the client retransmitting EOED and the server ACKing it. Or= never stop ACKing EOED until you know it's been received, but that seems= more complex?

Re #3, I had h= igher numbered packets in mind, due to reordering. But this seems very s= imilar to how changing key phases would work, which matches my mental mod= el of the 0RTT to 1RTT transition.

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(2) Ian, sorry, yes, I meant just application data.
(3) Hmm... I was thinking these were separate sequence number spaces like in DTLS, but I guess they're the same, so maybe you're right. I'll have to think about that.

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@ekr You write that "After EOED is= sent, the TLS stack tells the transport stack that further non-TLS data = should be sent with the 1-RTT keys at this point." I don't know for = other stacks, but there is no such signal with Picotls. That API provides= signals such as "expecting data from epoch X", "Here is data to send on = epoch Y", "here is the write (or read) key for epoch X" and "all done". T= he signal "here is the write key for epoch 3" does not double as "and ple= ase stop sending on epoch 1". It cannot, because the epoch 1 crypto strea= m still has to be transmitted and acknowledged.

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Well, you certainly need some signal that says "send application data in epoch 3". What is that signal?

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There is no explicit signal, but it is very much assumed that if the T= LS stack provides the transport with the write key for epoch 3, then appl= ication data will be sent that way. I read again the QUIC/TLS draft, and = I could not find a statement saying that application data MUST NOT be sen= t as 0-RTT if the 1-RTT key is available. But in fact, that's the whole p= oint of this thread. If it were not for the transmission of EOED over 0-R= TT, the transport could simply just discard the 0-RTT write keys when the= 1-RTT write keys become available. I would very much like to be able to = do that.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8c9305c1550_1ea03fd2550d45b44500ef-- From nobody Sun Sep 2 20:42:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCBF7130E07 for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:42:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3kxXhWLEr9_C for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 64485130E0E for ; Sun, 2 Sep 2018 20:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2018 20:41:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535946118; bh=3eMHKi6zro7RAxQt41efRxQZhcZqvmBq1a5D1nKLSGU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mi2jrnVF/xd7r84ZC/V6tie335+xlFMOzqeKJ420QOplK4IsjWDFHufVmfaavoSJe KMrx77ClLE9NWr/ZTlKS3ALOMQVG+Xu9ZfRfddkrPor8Rn9IYct4CHfVfe2UyTDt6U xUc3cm14PqaG/gDDTMNQ8wnm5Bq2xMUXG58g7zJ8= From: Victor Vasiliev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Make EOED transmission optional in QUIC, please (#1518) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8cad8689791_41ee3fd8d58d45bc1507419"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: vasilvv X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 03:42:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8cad8689791_41ee3fd8d58d45bc1507419 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I don't think the main issue is compatibility with the existing TLS implementations but rather (a) having consistency with TLS The point I was trying to make is that EOED is not logically part of TLS handshake protection (which we're trying to preserve in order to rely on security properties proven in multiple analyses), but rather of TLS record layer. We're pretty much rolling our own record layer, which means it befalls on us to ensure its security ourselves. That does not itself mean we should drop EOED by itself, merely that we actually *have* to decide something without pointing fingers to TLS 1.3 :) Regarding your attack, if you're concerned about 0-RTT keys being compromised after EOED, wouldn't you want to drop them as soon as possible? As it stands, the client can't do it because it has to hold onto them for retransmitting EOED. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1518#issuecomment-417992450 ----==_mimepart_5b8cad8689791_41ee3fd8d58d45bc1507419 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't think the main issue is compatibility with the existing TLS im= plementations but rather (a) having consistency with TLS

The point I was trying to make is that EOED is not logically part of T= LS handshake protection (which we're trying to preserve in order to rely = on security properties proven in multiple analyses), but rather of TLS re= cord layer. We're pretty much rolling our own record layer, which means = it befalls on us to ensure its security ourselves. That does not itself = mean we should drop EOED by itself, merely that we actually have= to decide something without pointing fingers to TLS 1.3 :)

Regarding your attack, if you're concerned about 0-RTT keys being comp= romised after EOED, wouldn't you want to drop them as soon as possible? = As it stands, the client can't do it because it has to hold onto them for= retransmitting EOED.

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----==_mimepart_5b8d5d9783075_363c3f8cc84d45c4610d7-- From nobody Mon Sep 3 10:11:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FFAA130DC6 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 10:11:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VzCHlqB1ogug for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 10:11:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5D8D128C65 for ; Mon, 3 Sep 2018 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 10:11:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1535994690; bh=Zd3KWLe0Im4TVOc2TILlkZ65+hECCQyCvRtEMRAg9Ng=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xMWRDsffHyl3VH0xHpF5B0rUEaVf2Xwshu7BItnZoZQJ0dfeHJ8VI416mEnZS+Xnd j5CHzQ9gFgkDg94wRl5g+NQu8a6Hs87JmwhnNtCeRG8J96QALwH7+7nD5ASbjqTfC9 OhAf6NTSkZwchoAEd4n7pkj2f2WbCRBRP6uKrb2U= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unified ACK frame (#1706) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8d6b421623a_5e303fab428d45b448585a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.27 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Sep 2018 17:11:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8d6b421623a_5e303fab428d45b448585a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I still think is better to have ECT(0) and ECT(1) merged in to one type (instead of ECT(1) and non-ECT) because that gives the other end the change to experiment with ECT(1) without requiring any support/deployment of changes to the receiver-side. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1706#issuecomment-418163701 ----==_mimepart_5b8d6b421623a_5e303fab428d45b448585a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I still think is better to have ECT(0) and ECT(1) merged in to one type (instead of ECT(1) and non-ECT) because that gives the other end the change to experiment with ECT(1) without requiring any support/deployment of changes to the receiver-side.

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@mirjak, whichever way we merge, so= me information is lost. You are arguing for erasing the distinction betw= een ECT(1) and ECT(0), where this PR makes ECT(1) and unmarked indistingu= ishable. Or, to state differently, this allows a receiver to distinguish= between ECT(0) and ECT(1), but you would prefer to distinguish between u= nmarked and ECT(any).

I am assuming that an experiment that varies markings will care more a= bout switching between ECT markings than it will between marked and unmar= ked. What property would you (and others) prefer?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 40    | content-type                     | application/json                                      |
+| 41    | content-type                     | application/json; charset=utf-8                       |
+| 42    | content-type                     | application/x-www-form-urlencoded                     |
+| 43    | content-type                     | application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=utf-8      |
+| 44    | content-type                     | image/gif                                             |
+| 45    | content-type                     | image/jpeg                                            |
+| 46    | content-type                     | image/png                                             |
+| 47    | content-type                     | text/css                                              |
+| 48    | content-type                     | text/html; charset=utf-8                              |
+| 49    | content-type                     | text/javascript                                       |
+| 50    | content-type                     | text/javascript; charset=utf-8                        |
+| 51    | content-type                     | text/plain                                            |
+| 52    | content-type                     | text/plain;charset=utf-8                              |
+| 53    | range                            | bytes=0-                                              |
+| 54    | server                           |                                                       |
+| 55    | strict-transport-security        | max-age=10886400; includesubdomains; preload          |

I have a request. Take this out and move :status: 103 up into the one-byte range.

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----==_mimepart_5b8f08f4f0578_5ab13faa882d45c01413f8-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 15:37:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76072130E12 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:37:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2xVzDZQZcse for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0AC912F295 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 15:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 15:37:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536100652; bh=4ejf2BrbuW/SxcTSJ+qPq1gmLaPqyhQQIbLSPw7XvNk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=F9cutQwkJDmYH8WnoDS+PsgTVDGMpQnOwea7Z7Wf1MVgVtw4ia7YeN1vWLWhRrlUX ZLg+JocdoOGbv4nvC6r7foblP6YsYY9Egyg3ZmeNJDNSsVOtx8O8ocXQ0uB74lVdE9 hk1gE4Ax9uEKMPjMmPVXfBkBtZYqAMyICcPmvWsA= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: Updated Static Table (#1355) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f092c2b5cf_749d3fc099ad45b41491cb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 22:37:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f092c2b5cf_749d3fc099ad45b41491cb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +| 26 | accept | */* | +| 27 | accept | application/dns-message | +| 28 | accept-encoding | gzip, deflate, br | +| 29 | accept-language | | +| 30 | authorization | | +| 31 | cache-control | max-age=0 | +| 32 | cache-control | max-age=604800 | +| 33 | cache-control | max-age=2592000 | +| 34 | cache-control | no-cache | +| 35 | cache-control | no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate | +| 36 | cache-control | public, max-age=31536000 | +| 37 | content-encoding | br | +| 38 | content-type | application/dns-message | +| 39 | content-type | application/javascript | +| 40 | content-type | application/json | +| 41 | content-type | application/json; charset=utf-8 | Maybe we shouldn't include charset parameters either. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#pullrequestreview-152279398 ----==_mimepart_5b8f092c2b5cf_749d3fc099ad45b41491cb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 26    | accept                           | */*                                                   |
+| 27    | accept                           | application/dns-message                               |
+| 28    | accept-encoding                  | gzip, deflate, br                                     |
+| 29    | accept-language                  |                                                       |
+| 30    | authorization                    |                                                       |
+| 31    | cache-control                    | max-age=0                                             |
+| 32    | cache-control                    | max-age=604800                                        |
+| 33    | cache-control                    | max-age=2592000                                       |
+| 34    | cache-control                    | no-cache                                              |
+| 35    | cache-control                    | no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate                   |
+| 36    | cache-control                    | public, max-age=31536000                              |
+| 37    | content-encoding                 | br                                                    |
+| 38    | content-type                     | application/dns-message                               |
+| 39    | content-type                     | application/javascript                                |
+| 40    | content-type                     | application/json                                      |
+| 41    | content-type                     | application/json; charset=utf-8                       |

Maybe we shouldn't include charset parameters either.

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----==_mimepart_5b8f092c2b5cf_749d3fc099ad45b41491cb-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 18:54:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7865128CFD for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:53:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MKAXCporv2eT for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0D185130DE5 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 18:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 18:53:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536112435; bh=/UAZRzo+amz5MgkJiyxaGlX0Ua8DusQUAnb/SHjKs7M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PS7fRJKLyTLejTERtvFGpzn9eLIPcz3rhl/0zMbOR+If3sbZGzO/avlfcfXNG3402 s4xUTYsuzJkPs8PttA7HikervAFyoTpSz9jjOktR7hUBMZeT6JJpSS38dD3mg5xwuj lrvmRO74/8Mufn7+pH8q1HSqOZkAu0Q3RqMmLk4w= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote is a very capable foot gun (#1720) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f3733ce13a_38e3f96a16d45bc20589f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 01:53:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f3733ce13a_38e3f96a16d45bc20589f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Draft 14 splits the definition of "initial_max_stream_data" into two parameters, "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local(0)" and "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote(10)". In early interop tests, we observed an interesting failure to communicate between the picoquic client and the winquic server because of that. Winquic server did not provide a value for the initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote parameter, which meant that for client initiated streams like stream 0 the initial value of was 0. As a result, picoquic did not send any data on stream zero, the stream zero was not opened, winquic did not send back any update for the stream 0 MAX_STREAM_DATA value, the server did not receive any request from the client, and after a suitable period of silence the connection was closed. I would suggest two fixes: 1) Explain that servers that expect to receive messages such as HTTP requests from clients SHOULD send the "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote(10)" parameter and set it to a reasonable value. 2) Explain that if a client wants to open a stream but initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote value is 0, it SHOULD send an empty STREAM frame to open the stream -- and give the server a chance to send back MAX_STREAM_DATA update for that stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1720 ----==_mimepart_5b8f3733ce13a_38e3f96a16d45bc20589f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Draft 14 splits the definition of "initial_max_stream_data" into two parameters, "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local(0)" and "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote(10)". In early interop tests, we observed an interesting failure to communicate between the picoquic client and the winquic server because of that. Winquic server did not provide a value for the initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote parameter, which meant that for client initiated streams like stream 0 the initial value of was 0. As a result, picoquic did not send any data on stream zero, the stream zero was not opened, winquic did not send back any update for the stream 0 MAX_STREAM_DATA value, the server did not receive any request from the client, and after a suitable period of silence the connection was closed.

I would suggest two fixes:

  1. Explain that servers that expect to receive messages such as HTTP requests from clients SHOULD send the "initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote(10)" parameter and set it to a reasonable value.

  2. Explain that if a client wants to open a stream but initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote value is 0, it SHOULD send an empty STREAM frame to open the stream -- and give the server a chance to send back MAX_STREAM_DATA update for that stream.

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----==_mimepart_5b8f3733ce13a_38e3f96a16d45bc20589f-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 19:08:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95341128CFD for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:08:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jhUP6nIby1F4 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F037A126BED for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:08:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:08:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536113286; bh=hyzYwzjFZEujDJyIP8z7toTHLwu0lw7LboZA/CIy1K4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lyhyzvrMjpqnzsVck4gYt77JfkuS/pcNoL85DZU12micHdnttuOs8Ng/cstpc7JAj h2DklSkXIIqOSxVwz+gSW0aVW/VZWtj4SwIpDo2oXwrRzqIHbnIW/O+MJuTJGqQOiL KCwlF7SH8R4qUzxqBNdxkPsAHiqM9MoqBWG6aR24= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify whether 0-RTT MAY use the same CID as Initial packets (#1721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f3a86f22f_3f763f9e896d45b8592bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:08:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f3a86f22f_3f763f9e896d45b8592bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In draft-13 and draft-14, there is text explaining that "On first receiving an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client uses the Source Connection ID supplied by the server as the Destination Connection ID for subsequent packets." But there is no such specification for the 0-RTT packets, and that seems a bit strange. One reading of the spec is that 0-RTT packets should carry the same CID as Initial packets. Another is that 0-RTT packets should always carry the initial CID. The latter interpretation may be closest to a literal reading of the spec, but it leads to this weird sequence after receiving the server flight: 1) Client sends Initial packet (to carry ACK of server hello) with destination= server provided CID; 2) Client sends 0RTT packet (to carry EOED) with destination= initial CID; 3) Client sends Handshake packet (to carry Finished) with destination= server provided CID; Note that another part of the spec says that "Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets with different Destination Connection IDs into a single UDP datagram." So, if we refuse to use the server provided CID in the 0-RTT packets carrying the EOED, these packets should not be coalesced. I think we should be explicit that the handling of the connection ID is common to 0-RTT and Initial packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1721 ----==_mimepart_5b8f3a86f22f_3f763f9e896d45b8592bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In draft-13 and draft-14, there is text explaining that "On first receiving an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client uses the Source Connection ID supplied by the server as the Destination Connection ID for subsequent packets." But there is no such specification for the 0-RTT packets, and that seems a bit strange. One reading of the spec is that 0-RTT packets should carry the same CID as Initial packets. Another is that 0-RTT packets should always carry the initial CID. The latter interpretation may be closest to a literal reading of the spec, but it leads to this weird sequence after receiving the server flight:

  1. Client sends Initial packet (to carry ACK of server hello) with destination= server provided CID;
  2. Client sends 0RTT packet (to carry EOED) with destination= initial CID;
  3. Client sends Handshake packet (to carry Finished) with destination= server provided CID;

Note that another part of the spec says that "Senders MUST NOT coalesce QUIC packets with different Destination Connection IDs into a single UDP datagram." So, if we refuse to use the server provided CID in the 0-RTT packets carrying the EOED, these packets should not be coalesced.

I think we should be explicit that the handling of the connection ID is common to 0-RTT and Initial packets.

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----==_mimepart_5b8f3b2385d7_7f243fc8858d45b810089c-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 19:24:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2005E130E21 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xYdQzj7ell_Q for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A660E130DE5 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:24:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536114295; bh=ELLN0sHzb8d1WZB/3sme8GG9cQ+wfsordvKIipzPYc8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yolJY65ky/V8oq8mFBjLdpr6Dp9I//dsWmGLCVQQ25G52C/vA7gg8w8hQ1q7GFppx m9sTTj9KJgFoApzz+2Ko/tu0FBLGV6f+pcVXLLJdCz0bjdE2CXoHipYfmdbnBnSXwB 91g/6w+Nl8DlnOP7FlUZFaFlwn0VBvzzaGUFuQPs= From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify whether 0-RTT MAY use the same CID as Initial packets (#1721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f3e77d9709_4c303fee62ed45b4930f4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:24:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f3e77d9709_4c303fee62ed45b4930f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FTR https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-14#section-4.10 says clearly that 0-RTT Protected packet should use random DCID. ``` The very first packet sent by a client includes a random value for Destination Connection ID. The same value MUST be used for all 0-RTT packets sent on that connection (Section 4.8). This randomized value is used to determine the packet protection keys for Initial packets (see Section 5.1.1 of [QUIC-TLS]). ``` Not sure it is intended or not. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1721#issuecomment-418578570 ----==_mimepart_5b8f3e77d9709_4c303fee62ed45b4930f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FTR https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-q= uic-transport-14#section-4.10 says clearly that 0-RTT Protected packe= t should use random DCID.

   The very first packet sent by a client includes a random va=
lue for
   Destination Connection ID.  The same value MUST be used for all 0-RTT
   packets sent on that connection (Section 4.8).  This randomized value
   is used to determine the packet protection keys for Initial packets
   (see Section 5.1.1 of [QUIC-TLS]).

Not sure it is intended or not.

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Not sure if this belongs in http or transport.

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@tatsuhiro-t, that's a relic of= the change to allow 0-RTT after Retry. It should be - at a minimum - am= ended to say that it matches the connection ID on the corresponding Initi= al packet (which is hard to concisely describe, ...).

The EOED coalescing issue is a new one though.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8f40c8f315f_5d5f3fc5ac4d45c076918-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 19:49:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ED6126BED for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wl3XIEelF7-Z for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59725124C04 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:49:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:49:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536115772; bh=c5ypIWx0VOKr5tgAS6g7HfAIHyVEOvADsnxJtdocguc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MAoat8w9P2ktFDGgZqnd0i8clTUHCFB74nDYsLSoS7qFSIvMLhapB8DI+uGnTfqU7 4pDQUzEmiKk7DQqP8XExje1TDHJh6Q3WOJHAf/SYHOrXWb5OUr0IMSQ5f9PGXs2hda /C5+Q+ecNRzhmx9QNg+Hno/jzHn8oHEap6gsF+y4= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify whether 0-RTT MAY use the same CID as Initial packets (#1721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f443ca312d_460e3f9ba62d45c02211ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:49:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f443ca312d_460e3f9ba62d45c02211ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Actually coalescing works just fine if we align 0-RTT handling of CID with the spec in 4.6.1. You get: 1) Client sends Initial packet (to carry ACK of server hello) with destination= server provided CID; 2) Client sends 0RTT packet (to carry EOED) with destination= server provided CID; 3) Client sends Handshake packet (to carry Finished) with destination= server provided CID; Life is good. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1721#issuecomment-418582405 ----==_mimepart_5b8f443ca312d_460e3f9ba62d45c02211ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Actually coalescing works just fine if we align 0-RTT handling of CID = with the spec in 4.6.1. You get:

  1. Client sends Initial packet (to carry ACK of server hello) with desti= nation=3D server provided CID;
  2. Client sends 0RTT packet (to carry EOED) with destination=3D server p= rovided CID;
  3. Client sends Handshake packet (to carry Finished) with destination=3D= server provided CID;

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8f443ca312d_460e3f9ba62d45c02211ea-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 19:54:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD5DC124C04 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:54:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tWavEUmq1Xsj for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0588F1286E3 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:54:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:54:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536116050; bh=W26SChqh8TLyPuq4tx1m9lh2y8BXfRNjKshLQSCUfYo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=grzZBRgCI43s+ivjtTudcupSOxkIn0E7Hw5O83q3RR0PnxMGleXRctd3955yXszjM LDcIKuxMp/xT+VhB2Mn2VZMmRx+kohh/eV/FrKGGx3ddXM/LKFS5HaQWEv4xEXipki tJvK6HAkNxsINcgZZptc99P/dvcEhbOyek5pSj6s= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify whether 0-RTT MAY use the same CID as Initial packets (#1721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f4552276c7_735b3fb958ad45c03379e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:54:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f4552276c7_735b3fb958ad45c03379e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The change to 4.10 would be: The very first packet sent by a client includes a random value for Destination Connection ID. This randomized value is used to determine the packet protection keys for Initial packets (see Section 5.1.1 of [QUIC-TLS]). The very first packet sent by a client includes a random value for Destination Connection ID. The same value MUST be used for 0-RTT packets sent on that connection (Section 4.8) until the client learns the server preferred CID (Section 6.4.1). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1721#issuecomment-418583098 ----==_mimepart_5b8f4552276c7_735b3fb958ad45c03379e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The change to 4.10 would be:

The very first packet sent by a client includes a random value for
= Destination Connection ID. This randomized value
is used to determine the packet protection keys for Initial packets
(see Section 5.1.1 of [QUIC-TLS]). The very first packet sent by a cli= ent includes a random value for
Destination Connection ID. The same value MUST be used for 0-RTT
packets sent on that connection (Section 4.8) until the client learns
= the server preferred CID (Section 6.4.1).

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= ----==_mimepart_5b8f4552276c7_735b3fb958ad45c03379e1-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 19:55:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 820571286E3 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:55:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R5WAPnf9x6Go for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:55:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCC17124C04 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 19:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 19:55:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536116151; bh=7kdAUs4KcI0AFiqUPU/HkR4PDiPUd0X9lWoCeH0hiww=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vSj7XaICJW2EFgVHO+9rpf11UHHF5ylTA8Ckyw1Sd9CwRRVk46fFXau8Rtp7+zL21 vN6YRK3M01DYc/6C7VN94t0SxkrDYccQUaK+gu10zfVoQImRQMLT2s/WgIVePgV+DB umcKLL6lTUB4LSTzeU7MACB360FZxS/EaL/LQVsw= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote is a very capable foot gun (#1720) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f45b7acb6_5d5f3fc5ac4d45c0120373"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 02:55:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f45b7acb6_5d5f3fc5ac4d45c0120373 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd say the first suggestion should become a MUST in the http draft. Not advertising a reasonable value for initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote should not be allowed, though I realize there's a wide range of what 'reasonable' is. Possibly 1024 bytes is a bare minimum? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1720#issuecomment-418583335 ----==_mimepart_5b8f45b7acb6_5d5f3fc5ac4d45c0120373 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd say the first suggestion should become a MUST in the http draft. Not advertising a reasonable value for initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote should not be allowed, though I realize there's a wide range of what 'reasonable' is. Possibly 1024 bytes is a bare minimum?

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Any of these settings could be 0 if the intent is to update immediately after connection or stream establishment. Values might be updated based on SETTINGS, for instance. But 0 is rarely the right choice if that type of stream is intended to be used.

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----==_mimepart_5b8f535e842d8_119f3fa3644d45bc62454-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 23:27:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 697BF128CB7 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:27:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id upgYuuwtc9SN for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCE05130DD5 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:27:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:27:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536128851; bh=VZA9SsEGhuVhHLx5wZhyCLCErNp6VLXRUHnHHPA6fzk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ah/XDWV/ZwQiYblOBrYFVS1Bu7ZsljCqzcod2+sRq2nczRWZJfoC6E16bt2enBrOr RfmXa3bAQkgJi6VusVWhgCkNdbc6OW6XXcqumf66e9UZAcv5i3WBto8choWq5j0eLx dSIvZD9M4i4aW4b2zp5rW95aqqxEB34n35jEaee0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify QPACK eviction races (#1237) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f7753e759e_698d3f91b1ad45bc7763d8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 06:27:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f7753e759e_698d3f91b1ad45bc7763d8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. I have tried to be very specific in my suggestions, but feel free to take or leave. > -entry remains unacknowledged. If a new header to be inserted into the dynamic -table would cause the eviction of such an entry, the encoder MUST NOT emit the -insert instruction until the reference has been processed by the decoder and -acknowledged. - -The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to -avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if -desired. - -To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest -entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided. When one of the oldest entries -in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an -Duplicate representation instead (see {{duplicate}}). +The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference +to that entry remains unacknowledged. When the encoder encounters a blocked +eviction, it emits a literal representation for the new header, and MAY insert "When the encoder encounters a blocked eviction, ..." involves a logical leap, or an assumption about the structure of encoders that hasn't been explained. We all assume that encoders emit new table modifications as the result of processing header blocks, but that isn't necessary. Perhaps: "An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an existing entry) if that would cause an entry with unacknowledged references to be evicted. For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later." > @@ -871,21 +871,38 @@ the decoder. ### Blocked Eviction The title here might be better as "Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions". Evictions don't get blocked, they are the immovable object here. It's more the case that insertions are what get blocked. > -acknowledged. - -The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to -avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if -desired. - -To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest -entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided. When one of the oldest entries -in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an -Duplicate representation instead (see {{duplicate}}). +The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference +to that entry remains unacknowledged. When the encoder encounters a blocked +eviction, it emits a literal representation for the new header, and MAY insert +the header into the table later if desired. + +To ensure that blocked evictions are rare, the encoder SHOULD avoid referencing "To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder can avoid referencing entries that are near the point at which they would be evicted. Rather than ..." > +~~~~~~~~~~ drawing + +----------+---------------------------------+--------+ + | Draining | Referenceable | Unused | + | Entries | Entries | Space | + +----------+---------------------------------+--------+ + ^ ^ ^ + | | | + Drop Point Draining Index Base Index / + Insertion Point +~~~~~~~~~~ +{:#fig-eviction-prone title="Encoder's View of Dynamic Table with +draining index"} This has to be a single line. Also, check whether You Want Title Case or Sentence case. I think that we use Title Case elsewhere. > +the header into the table later if desired. + +To ensure that blocked evictions are rare, the encoder SHOULD avoid referencing +older entries that will be evicted soon. Rather than reference such an entry, +the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see {{duplicate}}), and +reference the duplicate instead. + +Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder +preference. One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the +dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting +unreferenced entries. To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining +index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will +emit a reference for. As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the +draining index such that the amount of unused space and space occupied by +draining entries table is larger than its target threshold. Draining entries +will eventually become evictable as any references to them are acknowledged. "As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not reference. Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than this the draining index - will not accumulate new references. The number of unacknowledged references to draining entries will eventually become zero, making the entry available for eviction." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1237#pullrequestreview-152347354 ----==_mimepart_5b8f7753e759e_698d3f91b1ad45bc7763d8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson approved this pull request.

I have tried to be very specific in my suggestions, but feel free to take or leave.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -entry remains unacknowledged.  If a new header to be inserted into the dynamic
-table would cause the eviction of such an entry, the encoder MUST NOT emit the
-insert instruction until the reference has been processed by the decoder and
-acknowledged.
-
-The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to
-avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if
-desired.
-
-To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest
-entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided.  When one of the oldest entries
-in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an
-Duplicate representation instead (see {{duplicate}}).
+The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference
+to that entry remains unacknowledged.  When the encoder encounters a blocked
+eviction, it emits a literal representation for the new header, and MAY insert

"When the encoder encounters a blocked eviction, ..." involves a logical leap, or an assumption about the structure of encoders that hasn't been explained. We all assume that encoders emit new table modifications as the result of processing header blocks, but that isn't necessary.

Perhaps: "An encoder MUST NOT insert an entry into the dynamic table (or duplicate an existing entry) if that would cause an entry with unacknowledged references to be evicted. For header blocks that might rely on the newly added entry, the encoder can use a literal representation and maybe insert the entry later."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -871,21 +871,38 @@ the decoder.
 
 ### Blocked Eviction

The title here might be better as "Blocked Dynamic Table Insertions". Evictions don't get blocked, they are the immovable object here. It's more the case that insertions are what get blocked.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -acknowledged.
-
-The encoder can emit a literal representation for the new header in order to
-avoid encoding delays, and MAY insert the header into the table later if
-desired.
-
-To ensure that the blocked eviction case is rare, references to the oldest
-entries in the dynamic table SHOULD be avoided.  When one of the oldest entries
-in the table is still actively used for references, the encoder SHOULD emit an
-Duplicate representation instead (see {{duplicate}}).
+The encoder MUST NOT emit an instruction that evicts an entry while a reference
+to that entry remains unacknowledged.  When the encoder encounters a blocked
+eviction, it emits a literal representation for the new header, and MAY insert
+the header into the table later if desired.
+
+To ensure that blocked evictions are rare, the encoder SHOULD avoid referencing

"To ensure that the encoder is not prevented from adding new entries, the encoder can avoid referencing entries that are near the point at which they would be evicted. Rather than ..."

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
+~~~~~~~~~~  drawing
+   +----------+---------------------------------+--------+
+   | Draining |          Referenceable          | Unused |
+   | Entries  |             Entries             | Space  |
+   +----------+---------------------------------+--------+
+   ^          ^                                 ^
+   |          |                                 |
+ Drop Point  Draining Index               Base Index /
+                                          Insertion Point
+~~~~~~~~~~
+{:#fig-eviction-prone title="Encoder's View of Dynamic Table with
+draining index"}

This has to be a single line. Also, check whether You Want Title Case or Sentence case. I think that we use Title Case elsewhere.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +the header into the table later if desired.
+
+To ensure that blocked evictions are rare, the encoder SHOULD avoid referencing
+older entries that will be evicted soon.  Rather than reference such an entry,
+the encoder SHOULD emit a Duplicate instruction (see {{duplicate}}), and
+reference the duplicate instead.
+
+Determining which entries are too close to eviction to reference is an encoder
+preference.  One heuristic is to target a fixed amount of available space in the
+dynamic table: either unused space or space that can be reclaimed by evicting
+unreferenced entries.  To achieve this, the encoder can maintain a draining
+index, which is the smallest absolute index in the dynamic table that it will
+emit a reference for.  As new entries are inserted, the encoder increments the
+draining index such that the amount of unused space and space occupied by
+draining entries table is larger than its target threshold.  Draining entries
+will eventually become evictable as any references to them are acknowledged.

"As new entries are inserted, the encoder increases the draining index to maintain the section of the table that it will not reference. Draining entries - entries with an absolute index lower than this the draining index - will not accumulate new references. The number of unacknowledged references to draining entries will eventually become zero, making the entry available for eviction."

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----==_mimepart_5b8f7753e759e_698d3f91b1ad45bc7763d8-- From nobody Tue Sep 4 23:47:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F94130DF2 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nL-PBSlyc5ew for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 066DF126CB6 for ; Tue, 4 Sep 2018 23:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:47:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536130047; bh=Gxbe6iQWc6dPNIg+eXcmAClDLf7m+AbFPbZ4XNenJDk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HrFOnl5nNnQKtrtihrxsYk08K4UsAEuZIivXtQV3khTiBiLP0bU26+hHgYFaFS923 H//wDj8KmjzvP1qU4pEY4vDThCzD8JndQEcqOLi2fuiQqhlIa5QPwXyNoeTVo3XvYd QsO/qHCnO3jbHFc4+RpJHNEYwzDnGI+pSaBOLw0A= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify whether 0-RTT MAY use the same CID as Initial packets (#1721) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8f7bff43c4_30a93f9dd70d45bc75126f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 06:47:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8f7bff43c4_30a93f9dd70d45bc75126f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that this is the only sensible outcome based on the description we have of the problem. We should check that this is going to work though. The current design intentionally has all 0-RTT with the same connection ID so that we could guarantee (ish) that it was consistently routed. But that was based on the understanding that most 0-RTT in most cases would be sent prior to getting the server's first handshake flight. Having the switch in connection ID happen, but be relatively rare (you would need partial loss of the server flight). The assessment was that it would only cause problems. With Stream 0, we have EndOfEarlyData, so a change in connection ID based on these rules would always happen, and so we'd expect to not see any odd bugs. Unless I hear screams, I will make a PR following Christian's suggestion (though, note to self: we probably just want to remove the special handling text rather than add more of it, this might be a change that involves deleting text more than adding it). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1721#issuecomment-418618068 ----==_mimepart_5b8f7bff43c4_30a93f9dd70d45bc75126f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that this is the only sensible outcome based on the descriptio= n we have of the problem.

We should check that this is going to work though. The current design= intentionally has all 0-RTT with the same connection ID so that we could= guarantee (ish) that it was consistently routed. But that was based on = the understanding that most 0-RTT in most cases would be sent prior to ge= tting the server's first handshake flight. Having the switch in connecti= on ID happen, but be relatively rare (you would need partial loss of the = server flight). The assessment was that it would only cause problems.

With Stream 0, we have EndOfEarlyData, so a change in connection ID ba= sed on these rules would always happen, and so we'd expect to not see any= odd bugs. Unless I hear screams, I will make a PR following Christian's= suggestion (though, note to self: we probably just want to remove the sp= ecial handling text rather than add more of it, this might be a change th= at involves deleting text more than adding it).

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More fall-out from the EOED requirement..

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Well, more the opposite. It's a benefit here that the client will always have something to send after knowing what the server wants it to use as a connection ID.

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----==_mimepart_5b8f7dd47f98e_77563fbc6e2d45b4647192-- From nobody Wed Sep 5 05:15:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E53C130E1A for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 05:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQDUmGnCWzY8 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BB25126F72 for ; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 05:15:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 05:15:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536149734; bh=0n3Tk1tsAXXV5Tzu3eib8zxzw6Zo0LwRuQkpKCcBQ/4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZOgG6XF3Pfy/P73GE6t8HimDSItuphvfbLN6pRHahDK26e3JCqYV6eQGoD/4OVXM0 CLaSglhoxusLadiD9TbRZlQanluNYKI1vw+W9lPMGMkI0tPqGRixIi5+s8BOSh+lmp Jnp6IogBNxfJyGan+CpmO9QJTojkOlNoaxmfyqGs= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pseudo code issue (#1724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b8fc8e6a57d0_7fe03f7fd9ed45c049366"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2018 12:15:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b8fc8e6a57d0_7fe03f7fd9ed45c049366 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i think there is an issue in the pseudo code (but I may be wrong - I find the code much more difficult to follow than an actual textual explanation.) In `OnAckReceived`, there is the following call sequence: ``` DetectLostPackets(ack.largest_acked_packet) SetLossDetectionTimer() ``` `DetectLostPackets` calls `OnPacketsLost`, which reduces `in_flight` potentially to zero. Then in `SetLossDetectionTimer`, the timer is cancelled via `loss_detection_timer.cancel()`. This causes no retransmissions to happen, at least when (blindly) implementing the pseudo code. Related to that, it is not clear where exactly the pseudo code expects actual retransmissions to happen. There is code in `OnLossDetectionTimeout` (`RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData`, `SendOnePacket`, `SendTwoPackets`) but what those do is not explained. There is also a comment in `DetectLostPackets` ("Inform the congestion controller...") but it remains unclear when and how that would lead to retransmissions. IMO, if we rely on pseudo code for this document, it needs a lot more work to make sure it actually does what is intended. (My preference would be to instead describe the concepts in text.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1724 ----==_mimepart_5b8fc8e6a57d0_7fe03f7fd9ed45c049366 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

i think there is an issue in the pseudo code (but I may be wrong - I find the code much more difficult to follow than an actual textual explanation.)

In OnAckReceived, there is the following call sequence:

       DetectLostPackets(ack.largest_acked_packet)
       SetLossDetectionTimer()

DetectLostPackets calls OnPacketsLost, which reduces in_flight potentially to zero. Then in SetLossDetectionTimer, the timer is cancelled via loss_detection_timer.cancel().

This causes no retransmissions to happen, at least when (blindly) implementing the pseudo code.

Related to that, it is not clear where exactly the pseudo code expects actual retransmissions to happen. There is code in OnLossDetectionTimeout (RetransmitAllUnackedHandshakeData, SendOnePacket, SendTwoPackets) but what those do is not explained. There is also a comment in DetectLostPackets ("Inform the congestion controller...") but it remains unclear when and how that would lead to retransmissions.

IMO, if we rely on pseudo code for this document, it needs a lot more work to make sure it actually does what is intended. (My preference would be to instead describe the concepts in text.)

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I'm somewhat surprised by the anti-middlebox attitudes here. Don't you= realize that practically every single device in the Internet is behind a= middlebox?

For QUIC to work, a middlebox needs to allocate state for the UDP conn= ection. Thus, every single UDP packet potentially creates state, requirin= g memory. If there are lots of UDP packets (think about the equivalent of= TCP SYN flood in QUIC), the memory of the middlebox will be quickly exha= usted.

The only form of saving the middlebox from an out-of-memory condition = is if the middlebox can authenticate the client's willingness to fully op= en the connection before allocating any memory. Thus, the middlebox needs= to send a RETRY packet to the client. This middlebox sending a RETRY pac= ket is exactly what you're planning to prevent here by authenticating ret= ry.

It's not only the endpoint that needs to be protected from flooding at= tacks. The middlebox needs to be protected also.

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I believe this is general issue with TLP which shows up as you are sending only with a low constant rate. We observed a similar problem in TCP...

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However, +1 to more text explanation!

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----==_mimepart_5b90e68312f_64f73fe44a2d45c4281228-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 01:54:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2888130DC8 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YJEj7w3dqEFy for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 313F1128CB7 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 01:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 01:54:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536224085; bh=ZyNPIsw3xluWDexI6kS7zcvrTWYG+58snz0aqW1Y2KU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AHnhv2BX5OlzAaNTbc4l95T1qHxid5eo1YwsB2Sybmb4J1rSHPvLWYIEKSDdNEco1 WXRnJ/fldWblaBlUOck9Oofanc3SlKA2NCrKtgQDifGsiXIYch/sAXZnLk81SlLecg fG0PiOWH+d5b0YLAUx9UUhOUsld3gcxKxvNwmp2A= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unified ACK frame (#1706) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b90eb55a54a3_3e703fe67ded45c49236e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 08:54:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b90eb55a54a3_3e703fe67ded45c49236e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Currently, the assumption for experiments with ECT(1) is that you only use ECT(1) (and no ECT(0)) on such a connection to enable a new kind of behavior. Therefore the difference between ECT(0) and ECT(1) is not important (expect for probing) as you should only see one or the other on one connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1706#issuecomment-419017717 ----==_mimepart_5b90eb55a54a3_3e703fe67ded45c49236e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Currently, the assumption for experiments with ECT(1) is that you only= use ECT(1) (and no ECT(0)) on such a connection to enable a new kind of = behavior. Therefore the difference between ECT(0) and ECT(1) is not impor= tant (expect for probing) as you should only see one or the other on one = connection.

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If a middlebox sends a RETRY for every new connection, that will kill 0-RTT, no? Because it means that we're back to adding an extra roundtrip all the time.

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Not really, this is probably a rare scenarios, e.g. when middlebox is already in some DDoS protection state or if the box would usually only expect out-going connections.

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Yes, a RETRY sent by a middlebox will add extra roundtrip. However, as= @mirjak noticed, the DDoS protection = need not be always on. It is possible to enable the RETRY authentication = when some percentage (such as 50%) of the memory available for UDP state = machines has already been taken by a DDoS attack. I consider it far bette= r to have an extra roundtrip when under an attack than it is to stop acce= pting new connections due to the out-of-memory condition.

The same thing is true for SYN cookies: they are the fallback, the usu= al rule is that the server will have the connection parameters stored in = memory. SYN cookie will take over the memory only when running out of mem= ory.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b91096c2f4dd_74f43fdf65ad45c4136775-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 05:26:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FA8130E07 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:26:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D0UpPlwLSg50 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:26:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00874128CF3 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:26:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 05:26:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536236794; bh=w476ZxeDHz/u2Q8cGcZ4JKypGQ3a/BY6NoomFmjdcjs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z6TaQVcO1Nd5itUUMIFv9RQAObTQiaqfPgzM8z03AXNZOe11YmodCg78pw9ZNgxDr 9skiDQfDIL+t6W9BLhFMQxaEgZyPYTBwwZBg6ckIXWu4lwt1fJbMdzLtaFYoX/Kl0o Ifazh0p6APrBGPNFi5Y3Xh4grLi8ICHDhEN865Kc= From: Lars Eggert Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Authenticate Retry (#1710) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b911cfa68e2e_46773f9dd96d45b42752e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: larseggert X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:26:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b911cfa68e2e_46773f9dd96d45b42752e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I worry that such a feature would effectively always become turned on, either by misconfiguration ("it sounds more secure"), or because the capacity of the path is increased without the box being upgraded, or other such reasons. Sure, in a perfect world, such boxes would be carefully monitored and carefully operated, but that's not really the works we live in. So a highly visible failure (as not accepting new connections) is IMO much preferable to a silent degrading of user experience. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1710#issuecomment-419074546 ----==_mimepart_5b911cfa68e2e_46773f9dd96d45b42752e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I worry that such a feature would effectively always become turned on,= either by misconfiguration ("it sounds more secure"), or because the cap= acity of the path is increased without the box being upgraded, or other s= uch reasons. Sure, in a perfect world, such boxes would be carefully moni= tored and carefully operated, but that's not really the works we live in.= So a highly visible failure (as not accepting new connections) is IMO mu= ch preferable to a silent degrading of user experience.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b911cfa68e2e_46773f9dd96d45b42752e0-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 05:57:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59807130E2D for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46HgMKuwQFsN for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CF07130E1C for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 05:57:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536238637; bh=M3pBKoBMC6PBdZpSP8qm71UJAgT5yXh7kETGF3mEUCc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BROIV04tNG5K9bjfKGDCI2VkJxbdkXfHfjtAvLLS/YcWA8PNV4fAZL4YfwAh6tjfk UCCSNvjoDeS661gjjoKBatLyDTVLVX1yayP4C58sIWaEVNf9V8Y8MrSFTaTLIvwKje IV5wx9lbPL8V8g5NhYU0UN400Lt6+jMb+E72pkJY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Authenticate Retry (#1710) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b91242d42b32_66e63f7ec54d45bc631254"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:57:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b91242d42b32_66e63f7ec54d45bc631254 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @larseggert that middlebox owned by third parties should not be allowed to generate reties. Allowing such behavior will ossify the QUIC protocol, because that would mean that the protocol cannot be upgraded just by modifying the endpoints. We should forbid such behavior of middleboxes. I would argue for mandating the authentication of retries, if there is a chance of seeing such middleboxes appearing (if we ship QUIC with unauthenticated retries). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1710#issuecomment-419083052 ----==_mimepart_5b91242d42b32_66e63f7ec54d45bc631254 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with @larseggert that mi= ddlebox owned by third parties should not be allowed to generate reties. = Allowing such behavior will ossify the QUIC protocol, because that would = mean that the protocol cannot be upgraded just by modifying the endpoints= .

We should forbid such behavior of middleboxes. I would argue for manda= ting the authentication of retries, if there is a chance of seeing such m= iddleboxes appearing (if we ship QUIC with unauthenticated retries).

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= ----==_mimepart_5b91242d42b32_66e63f7ec54d45bc631254-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 06:00:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB81C130E0E for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:00:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BJjeb2XXq95f for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16BA2130E29 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 05:59:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 05:59:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536238798; bh=UyMzEpDP3ZCGiIKRy/w4FJfYQ/hw+zfcTjgIDc2QNr8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VZvoKDsXIGPE+UN5oAqfJnuAIMZhpJJFB0Es4NQ9fkbGTLnGxm4UX1oEMvlIu5Vn4 CzWoQUSyT1+W9Ym88a93XwYmaLH4n5qEskmupdWGGh0jV+baMWOs0dyfn9HK7iREB1 xCliBt3y1k4WbHrxqE9fbXZ4uzLndQDuR6Hh27SA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Authenticate Retry (#1710) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9124ce22e25_669d3f7ec54d45bc44313a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:00:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9124ce22e25_669d3f7ec54d45bc44313a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit But it could be done such that some trusted middleboxes could be authorized to do it via key sharing, possibly tied to protocol version. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1710#issuecomment-419083908 ----==_mimepart_5b9124ce22e25_669d3f7ec54d45bc44313a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

But it could be done such that some trusted middleboxes could be authorized to do it via key sharing, possibly tied to protocol version.

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----==_mimepart_5b9124ce22e25_669d3f7ec54d45bc44313a-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 06:10:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3976F130EB1 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:10:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z4QdHQVSZWpb for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 52824130EA6 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:10:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 06:10:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536239416; bh=vFu0D4lXEJRsQTjiAasPGx41NFvZeOKP7EgkESmxlMk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Bk07tubFi1lxT/84ud+x0e08P7vOijLmHymiw4Zmb+weKE5JdV4L++l7F39giInZe zS6o6hHOQlfD2qxxQtCAKOkSPpkc6oBDxik50LvtBhnG4bul8OpflE1hf0iDgSeJg7 T5IzpqKd5JdATiDVvnu8ZChbwTfGU+CfGF4cdwp4= From: Juha-Matti Tilli Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Authenticate Retry (#1710) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b91273865538_6ebd3ffdc54d45c4737b5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jmtilli X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:10:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b91273865538_6ebd3ffdc54d45c4737b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj trusted by what? Trusted by the client? Trusted by the server? There are middleboxes in the client side as well, and if such a client side middlebox happens to have even one open port, a DDoS attack could fill the state tables, thus preventing outgoing connections from succeeding if incoming and outgoing connections share the same memory (like they usually do). I don't agree with @larseggert that a DDoS should cause a visible failure. Usually, the goal is to NOT have a DDoS attack perform a visible failure but rather try as hard as possible to cause silent degrading of user experience. Of course, the ultimate goal would be to have no degradation of the user experience at all, but DDoS attacks are hard to mitigate. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1710#issuecomment-419087088 ----==_mimepart_5b91273865538_6ebd3ffdc54d45c4737b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj trusted by what? Trusted= by the client? Trusted by the server? There are middleboxes in the clien= t side as well, and if such a client side middlebox happens to have even = one open port, a DDoS attack could fill the state tables, thus preventing= outgoing connections from succeeding if incoming and outgoing connection= s share the same memory (like they usually do).

I don't agree with @larseggert t= hat a DDoS should cause a visible failure. Usually, the goal is to NOT ha= ve a DDoS attack perform a visible failure but rather try as hard as poss= ible to cause silent degrading of user experience. Of course, the ultimat= e goal would be to have no degradation of the user experience at all, but= DDoS attacks are hard to mitigate.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b91273865538_6ebd3ffdc54d45c4737b5-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 06:36:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D16C5130E5F for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:36:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVH5WIgDRyPT for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87258130E4C for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 06:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 06:36:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536240962; bh=Pz6Lwr7uRrkO0t0/WqYufFIlleI3EkxL1Tf2zTaRxTI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UPPr3+fnae53HrSNoT5cwNgN+WSx8GsoFhLlYSqP9BA1HOB8NAi8SaIsioX1j9Sc9 kshrZtyJ/L/+oOIZKH09iL/gr1xe0jLHKynvSjNyveqDpSazQThDNbrjJxv7U5Kz0k Q8GcLImDWSHzOve5OYqBedjU6HCDkZi5DmtfvwXc= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Authenticate Retry (#1710) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b912d4273c10_6cb93fa3fc4d45c436547"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 13:36:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b912d4273c10_6cb93fa3fc4d45c436547 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @jmtilli I understand your concern, but an authorized middleware could only be in collaboration with the endpoint that transmits the retry, i.e. the server role. It's hardly practical to have that happen in domestic routers, and such routers would have a hard time doing anything more than dropping new connections - to where should it redirect traffic? If you have unauthorized retries, a set of hacked domestic routers could force legitimate connections to gravitate towards a single target server - but that can to an extend be guarded by building in protection in tokens. The connection ID is visible in outbound packets. The initial CID is random, the next is server chosen (but can be absent and replaced by 5-tuple). A client side router need not track the initial CID and can track connection setup over a short timespan. If the CID survives that, it is likely a valid connection, and if not, the situation would not be improved with a retry. A client side router would never need to hold more than a limited number of connections unless it is proxying for a large org and the state space is much smaller than that of an endpoint proper. Hence, a large router could afford the RAM to hold that many connections. So the primary problem is server side that receive many connections from many sources. For peer to peer server networks, client middleware is also a concern, but still I don't see why a client side router would issue a redirect. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1710#issuecomment-419095588 ----==_mimepart_5b912d4273c10_6cb93fa3fc4d45c436547 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@jmtilli I understand your concern= , but an authorized middleware could only be in collaboration with the en= dpoint that transmits the retry, i.e. the server role. It's hardly practi= cal to have that happen in domestic routers, and such routers would have = a hard time doing anything more than dropping new connections - to where = should it redirect traffic?

If you have unauthorized retries, a set of hacked domestic routers cou= ld force legitimate connections to gravitate towards a single target serv= er - but that can to an extend be guarded by building in protection in to= kens.

The connection ID is visible in outbound packets. The initial CID is r= andom, the next is server chosen (but can be absent and replaced by 5-tup= le). A client side router need not track the initial CID and can track co= nnection setup over a short timespan. If the CID survives that, it is lik= ely a valid connection, and if not, the situation would not be improved w= ith a retry.

A client side router would never need to hold more than a limited numb= er of connections unless it is proxying for a large org and the state spa= ce is much smaller than that of an endpoint proper. Hence, a large router= could afford the RAM to hold that many connections.

So the primary problem is server side that receive many connections fr= om many sources.
For peer to peer server networks, client middleware is also a concern, bu= t still I don't see why a client side router would issue a redirect.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b912d4273c10_6cb93fa3fc4d45c436547-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 07:55:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25575130E92 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:55:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.03 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.03 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kFe48ntRIA2o for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAB72130E91 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 07:55:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 07:55:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536245725; bh=euTefTuS3ab7/W/cwvbw2n2MXMffzBLh/1ZjlKESswA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PyYgiKhXxSdVHkzovnrw2yIRWi914Aavn0hvVjyPEpvTe4OcAIfKFWLWqoi7k7EsU qZGsjrHlj6LCQw6kMjfj6PC9usKLUMAq9G+3ONb4bt/QQ1AbHwWhsnM9LjTe4NTYYT MzDz5Xt6fYLNi2h3u3giijqD6SmRelne0cc3OY3s= From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Require that QPACK preserves header field order. (#1725) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b913fdce94a3_67a83f90e4cd45c4225598"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 14:55:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b913fdce94a3_67a83f90e4cd45c4225598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fixes #1684. 1. Rename "header" to "header field" in the definition section, just like in HPACK, RFC7541 Section 1.3. Note that already before this change the term "header field" appears 44 times in the text. 2. Rename "header set" to "header list" and define it to be ordered and explicitly allow duplicate header fields, not unlike in HPACK, RFC7541 Section 1.3. Also explicitly allow header fields with identical name. 3. Add a paragraph to require that ordering is preserved, much like HPACK, RFC7541 Section 2.1. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1725 -- Commit Summary -- * Require that QPACK preserves header field order. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (19) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1725.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1725.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1725 ----==_mimepart_5b913fdce94a3_67a83f90e4cd45c4225598 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fixes #1684.

  1. Rename "header" to "header field" in the definition section, just
    like in HPACK, RFC7541 Section 1.3. Note that already before this
    change the term "header field" appears 44 times in the text.

  2. Rename "header set" to "header list" and define it to be ordered and explicitly allow duplicate header fields, not unlike in HPACK, RFC7541 Section 1.3. Also explicitly allow header fields with identical name.

  3. Add a paragraph to require that ordering is preserved, much like
    HPACK, RFC7541 Section 2.1.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1725

Commit Summary

  • Require that QPACK preserves header field order.

File Changes

Patch Links:

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= ----==_mimepart_5b9140438df8d_52333f8e432d45b844316f-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 08:50:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C923130EA2 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:50:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vd28FBiMJl8n for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EE16130E92 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:50:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 08:50:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536249042; bh=7TwuWsk60aMk5cbXFPE90DExUzwPQBOXZPpJKvq5FVg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WGExfKUCjuVz4OT10ekiBgwSjU0J7DvyrZ5i/fQUj6FmgzO7HxVanvTbM3OaVo0Io v52hQxoIeHCkS0GDoxqFleFn1LxnWtbC/0SeD7YeM3LUY+XzxN1iK3jC3D3P3Ftj5+ YBgkPiupk1Mqkwa+CFtpwsJ64yT1/Rjwi0y9Y6ps= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] recovery: clarification on TLP when sender is outpacing the timer (#1718) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b914cd2527b7_65463ff842ed45c0630c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 15:50:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b914cd2527b7_65463ff842ed45c0630c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To address your first question, PR #1652 adds some more clarity to transport on the idle timeout and makes it clear that if you're sending into a void without receiving any ACKs, you should not keep extending your idle timeout. The recovery doc doesn't describe anything relating to the idle timer, FWIW. The intent is for the RTO timer to only go off after TLP. There is text about setting the TLP to the min(TLP timeout, RTO timeout) in 4.3.2(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-14#section-4.3.2). If you want to discuss whether that should be what this document tries to specify, please open a separate issue about whether RTO should ever fire before any TLPs are sent? Dead peer detection(#1638) is an entirely different problem, and there's no effort to describe that in the recovery draft at the moment. It would be nice to talk about that somewhere, but I'm not sure it's known what best practices are? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1718#issuecomment-419145274 ----==_mimepart_5b914cd2527b7_65463ff842ed45c0630c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To address your first question, PR #1652 adds some more clarity to transport on the= idle timeout and makes it clear that if you're sending into a void witho= ut receiving any ACKs, you should not keep extending your idle timeout. = The recovery doc doesn't describe anything relating to the idle timer, FW= IW.

The intent is for the RTO timer to only go off after TLP. There is te= xt about setting the TLP to the min(TLP timeout, RTO timeout) in 4.3.2(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recov= ery-14#section-4.3.2). If you want to discuss whether that should be= what this document tries to specify, please open a separate issue about = whether RTO should ever fire before any TLPs are sent?

Dead peer detection(#1638) is an entirely different problem, and there's no effor= t to describe that in the recovery draft at the moment. It would be nice= to talk about that somewhere, but I'm not sure it's known what best prac= tices are?

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= ----==_mimepart_5b914cd2527b7_65463ff842ed45c0630c7-- From nobody Thu Sep 6 08:59:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99A9C130EA2 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:59:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wwiaLxlHTf87 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9419130E92 for ; Thu, 6 Sep 2018 08:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 08:58:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536249537; bh=fPaS+V2Yo7TfBEeuYgxVGUQ0uyFhfNKnMMgFRpQTVlY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Mrvp1TGAhHGIuKuUl/jH4No6wWPWzhbj+1DWWnazUKy1NQJNE+51lOGv4+kdvzamG OPZqdkQpuVOEHZEPgPpREva7YkCEtQNnnG93hbUw9U/zGLq6xbCcXUBpK5p/mIcwQi XwYSmgsvT9tFCD/J1NTLkhkmGb3Xof3GTAyjIX/4= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Pseudo code issue (#1724) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b914ec19e933_3ab33fe38d6d45c44485e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2018 15:59:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b914ec19e933_3ab33fe38d6d45c44485e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There needs to be some more clarity here, and I believe the core issue is this document is trying to describe both how to quickly detect packets as lost and congestion control, but is avoiding what send a bit too much. Given QUIC doesn't retransmit packets, and instead retransmits stream data/etc, just because a packet is lost doesn't mean it's payload needs to be retransmitted, and if it does, it may be bundled differently from the original transmission. Would a section on "What to send" be helpful? Or would it be better to work that into the existing text and/or pseudocode? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1724#issuecomment-419148147 ----==_mimepart_5b914ec19e933_3ab33fe38d6d45c44485e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There needs to be some more clarity here, and I believe the core issue= is this document is trying to describe both how to quickly detect packet= s as lost and congestion control, but is avoiding what send a bit too muc= h.

Given QUIC doesn't retransmit packets, and instead retransmits stream = data/etc, just because a packet is lost doesn't mean it's payload needs t= o be retransmitted, and if it does, it may be bundled differently from th= e original transmission.

Would a section on "What to send" be helpful? Or would it be better t= o work that into the existing text and/or pseudocode?

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thanks for clarification. I'm using a separate timer on idle now that= only extends on incomming ack.

It would really help to describe best practices here a little further.= But i'm unsure if its needed for other implementors who just follow quic= -transport after implementing recovery.

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Fixes #1683.

Split QPACK errors into three types: decompression failure, encoder stream error, decoder stream error. Note that with HPACK only the
decoder could signal an error, so any error indicates a problem between the decoder of the sender of the error and the encoder of the receiver. However, in QPACK either the encoder or the receiver can detect an
error, so these types will help pinpoint the context of the error.

Also, specify error signalling behavior upon receiving invalid indices=
and invalid decoder stream instructions.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1726

Commit Summary

  • Define three QPACK error types, refine error handling.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed ind=
ex over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
 {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references,=
 there
 is no value at index zero of the static table.
 =

+A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request str=
eam or
+push stream MUST treat this as an error of type

As I am proposing to allow peers to signal a connection error instead = of a stream error, I am not specifying the kind of error here and elsewhe= re where stream error would be sufficient.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -270,8 +279,8 @@ immediately. A stream =
becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute index in the
 dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest Reference for=
 all
 header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream.  If a dec=
oder
 encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is not equa=
l to the
-Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as a stream =
error of
-type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MUST treat this as an error=

My reason for changing this to MUST is the following: if this is a MAY= , potentially implementation get deployed that do not signal an error, wh= ich allows implementation that have a larger Largest Reference declared t= o be deployed, and once there are enough implementations out there, if a = new one signals an error in conformance to the specification, it will bre= ak things, and we'll be stuck with an ecosystem that diverged from the sp= ec.

An encoder should never declare a Largest Reference larger than the ac= tual largest reference, let's encourage decoders to enforce it.

(Note that smaller Largest Reference values cannot be sent because the= re is already a MUST clause for that in 2.2.2.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -291,7 +300,7 @@ An encoder MUST limit =
the number of streams which could become blocked to the
 value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the deco=
der
 might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming b=
locked.
 If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to suppo=
rt, it
-SHOULD treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAI=
LED.
+MUST treat this as an error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.

Same argument as above: I am worried that decoder implementations that= do not do what they SHOULD do will allow the proliferation of non-confor= mant encoder implementations.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  QPACK which prevent the stream or connect=
ion from continuing:
 =

-HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06):
-: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue.
+HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD):
+: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push st=
ream and
+  is not able to continue decoding that header block.  This situation MA=
Y be

I would like to allow decoder implementations to close the connection = even if technically closing the stream would be enough. This is because = stream errors are more easy to hide by retry logic that some products hav= e. Really, a well-behaved encoder implementation should never cause a de= coder to signal an error, so if it does, that should be surfaced as much = as possible.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
 {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
 is no value at index zero of the static table.
 
+A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request stream or
+push stream MUST treat this as an error of type

That's one way to deal with it. In H2 and HQ, I think we've been leaning on the text that an implementation can always "upgrade" a stream error to a connection error at its discretion. So even if we say stream, there's an implied choice.

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I don't think we'll provide any guidelines on how high is too high for packet loss, because I'm doubtful we could write good general purpose guidance.

I don't have any clear advice on the rest of the questions except what's already in the transport and http docs.

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fair enough. thanks for your input :)

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-: The full collection of headers associated with an HTTP message.
+: The ordered collection of header fields associated with an HTTP message.  A
+  header list can contain multiple header fields with identical name, or

names

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -101,6 +101,11 @@ balance between resilience against head-of-line blocking and optimal compression
 ratio.  The design goals are to closely approach the compression ratio of HPACK
 with substantially less head-of-line blocking under the same loss conditions.
 
+QPACK preserves the ordering of header fields within each header list.  An

Wondering if this belongs in the introduction or would be better off elsewhere. Off hand I don't see a section where it belongs -- HPACK has a 'Compression Process Overview' that includes this text. Perhaps we can rename section 2 "Header Tables" to be something like "Overview" and it would fit better there. I'm inclined to take this as is and we can do some document reorganization later.

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Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table. +A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request stream or +push stream MUST treat this as an error of type I think it would be more clear to use stream error here, and if an implementation wants to make it a connection error they can. > @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed index over time. Its entries are defined in Appendix A of {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there is no value at index zero of the static table. +A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request stream or +push stream MUST treat this as an error of type Would it be better to have this text under the Absolute and Relative Indexing section, rather than here? > @@ -248,11 +254,14 @@ d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Post-Base Index on Request Stream"} -If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry which has already been dropped -from the table or which is greater than the declared Largest Reference (see -{{absolute-index}}), this MUST be treated as a stream error of type -`HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code. If this reference occurs on the -encoder stream, this MUST be treated as a session error. +If the decoder encounters a reference on a request or push stream to a dynamic +table entry which has already been dropped or which has an absolute index +greater than the declared Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}), this MUST +be treated as an error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`. + +If the decoder encounters a reference on the encoder stream to a dynamic table +entry which has already been dropped or which has not yet been inserted, this This was already a problem, but there's not correct agreement in these sentences. '...if the decoder...this must be treated' should be '...if the decoder... it must treat'. If you don't feel like mucking with it we can clean it up later. > @@ -248,11 +254,14 @@ d = count of entries dropped ~~~~~ {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Post-Base Index on Request Stream"} -If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry which has already been dropped -from the table or which is greater than the declared Largest Reference (see -{{absolute-index}}), this MUST be treated as a stream error of type -`HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code. If this reference occurs on the -encoder stream, this MUST be treated as a session error. +If the decoder encounters a reference on a request or push stream to a dynamic +table entry which has already been dropped or which has an absolute index +greater than the declared Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}), this MUST +be treated as an error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`. + +If the decoder encounters a reference on the encoder stream to a dynamic table +entry which has already been dropped or which has not yet been inserted, this Also, I don't think you can make a reference on the encoder stream to a header that has not yet been inserted. Index 0 is the most recently inserted entry. > @@ -270,8 +279,8 @@ immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute index in the dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest Reference for all header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream. If a decoder encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is not equal to the -Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as a stream error of -type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. +Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MUST treat this as an error See the discussion of MUST vs. MAY for this case in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1404. I was for MUST here previously. I think the argument against it was that it's kind of annoying to check it potentially, and some organizations require all MUSTs to be implemented or have a 'really good reason' (TM). > @@ -291,7 +300,7 @@ An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming blocked. If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to support, it -SHOULD treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. +MUST treat this as an error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED. I'm inclined to agree with you. Will let the MAY/SHOULD side weigh in. > @@ -602,6 +609,17 @@ blocks within a stream have been fully processed. ~~~~~~~~~~ {:#fig-header-ack title="Header Acknowledgement"} +The same Stream ID can be identified multiple times, as multiple header blocks +can be sent on a single stream in the case of intermediate responses, trailers, +and pushed requests. Since header frames on each stream are received and +processed in order, this gives the encoder precise feedback on which header +blocks within a stream have been fully processed. + +If an encoder receives a Header Acknowledgement instruction referring to a +stream on which every header block with non-zero Largest Reference has already Does 'with *a* non-zero Largest Reference' sound better? > QPACK which prevent the stream or connection from continuing: -HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06): -: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue. +HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD): +: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push stream and + is not able to continue decoding that header block. This situation MAY be I think this is already the intent, but I don't think it hurts to spell it out here. Also, maybe we can get rid of the word situation in all three error descriptions? > QPACK which prevent the stream or connection from continuing: -HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06): -: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue. +HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD): +: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push stream and + is not able to continue decoding that header block. This situation MAY be Did you mean to remove the error code value? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1726#pullrequestreview-153097791 ----==_mimepart_5b918d7855b61_378a3fc6f94d45b82431d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@afrind commented on this pull request.

Thanks for putting this up.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
 {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
 is no value at index zero of the static table.
 
+A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request stream or
+push stream MUST treat this as an error of type

I think it would be more clear to use stream error here, and if an implementation wants to make it a connection error they can.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed index over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
 {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references, there
 is no value at index zero of the static table.
 
+A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request stream or
+push stream MUST treat this as an error of type

Would it be better to have this text under the Absolute and Relative Indexing section, rather than here?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -248,11 +254,14 @@ d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Post-Base Index on Request Stream"}
 
-If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry which has already been dropped
-from the table or which is greater than the declared Largest Reference (see
-{{absolute-index}}), this MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-`HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference occurs on the
-encoder stream, this MUST be treated as a session error.
+If the decoder encounters a reference on a request or push stream to a dynamic
+table entry which has already been dropped or which has an absolute index
+greater than the declared Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}), this MUST
+be treated as an error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`.
+
+If the decoder encounters a reference on the encoder stream to a dynamic table
+entry which has already been dropped or which has not yet been inserted, this

This was already a problem, but there's not correct agreement in these sentences. '...if the decoder...this must be treated' should be '...if the decoder... it must treat'. If you don't feel like mucking with it we can clean it up later.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -248,11 +254,14 @@ d = count of entries dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title="Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Post-Base Index on Request Stream"}
 
-If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry which has already been dropped
-from the table or which is greater than the declared Largest Reference (see
-{{absolute-index}}), this MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-`HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference occurs on the
-encoder stream, this MUST be treated as a session error.
+If the decoder encounters a reference on a request or push stream to a dynamic
+table entry which has already been dropped or which has an absolute index
+greater than the declared Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}), this MUST
+be treated as an error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`.
+
+If the decoder encounters a reference on the encoder stream to a dynamic table
+entry which has already been dropped or which has not yet been inserted, this

Also, I don't think you can make a reference on the encoder stream to a header that has not yet been inserted. Index 0 is the most recently inserted entry.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -270,8 +279,8 @@ immediately. A stream becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute index in the
 dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest Reference for all
 header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream.  If a decoder
 encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is not equal to the
-Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as a stream error of
-type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MUST treat this as an error

See the discussion of MUST vs. MAY for this case in #1404.

I was for MUST here previously. I think the argument against it was that it's kind of annoying to check it potentially, and some organizations require all MUSTs to be implemented or have a 'really good reason' (TM).

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -291,7 +300,7 @@ An encoder MUST limit the number of streams which could become blocked to the
 value of SETTINGS_QPACK_BLOCKED_STREAMS at all times. Note that the decoder
 might not actually become blocked on every stream which risks becoming blocked.
 If the decoder encounters more blocked streams than it promised to support, it
-SHOULD treat this as a stream error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+MUST treat this as an error of type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Will let the MAY/SHOULD side weigh in.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -602,6 +609,17 @@ blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-header-ack title="Header Acknowledgement"}
 
+The same Stream ID can be identified multiple times, as multiple header blocks
+can be sent on a single stream in the case of intermediate responses, trailers,
+and pushed requests.  Since header frames on each stream are received and
+processed in order, this gives the encoder precise feedback on which header
+blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
+
+If an encoder receives a Header Acknowledgement instruction referring to a
+stream on which every header block with non-zero Largest Reference has already

Does 'with a non-zero Largest Reference' sound better?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  QPACK which prevent the stream or connection from continuing:
 
-HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06):
-: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue.
+HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD):
+: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push stream and
+  is not able to continue decoding that header block.  This situation MAY be

I think this is already the intent, but I don't think it hurts to spell it out here. Also, maybe we can get rid of the word situation in all three error descriptions?

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  QPACK which prevent the stream or connection from continuing:
 
-HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06):
-: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue.
+HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD):
+: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push stream and
+  is not able to continue decoding that header block.  This situation MAY be

Did you mean to remove the error code value?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-: The full collection of headers associated with an HTTP message.
+: The ordered collection of header fields associated with an HTTP message.  A
+  header list can contain multiple header fields with identical name, or

I'm not a grammar expert but I think identical implies comparing two or more things so it needs to be plural?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed ind=
ex over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
 {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references,=
 there
 is no value at index zero of the static table.
 =

+A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request str=
eam or
+push stream MUST treat this as an error of type

Okay, that sounds like a smoother solution. Let me change all these o= ccurrences in the text to "stream error" then, and add text allowing impl= ementations to "upgrade". BTW where are these sections in H2 and HQ?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -120,6 +120,12 @@ which has a fixed ind=
ex over time.  Its entries are defined in Appendix A of
 {{!RFC7541}}. Note that because HPACK did not use zero-based references,=
 there
 is no value at index zero of the static table.
 =

+A decoder that encounters an invalid static table index on a request str=
eam or
+push stream MUST treat this as an error of type

Regarding the Absolute and Relative Indexing section, I think this sec= tion here specifically deals with the static table, while the Absolute an= d Relative Indexing one with the dynamic table, so this clause concerning= the static table fits better here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -270,8 +279,8 @@ immediately. A stream =
becomes unblocked when the greatest absolute index in the
 dynamic table becomes greater than or equal to the Largest Reference for=
 all
 header blocks the decoder has started reading from the stream.  If a dec=
oder
 encounters a header block where the actual largest reference is not equa=
l to the
-Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MAY treat this as a stream =
error of
-type HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
+Largest Reference declared in the prefix, it MUST treat this as an error=

I understand. Sorry, I was not aware of that previous discussion. Le= t me revert this to MAY.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  QPACK which prevent the stream or connect=
ion from continuing:
 =

-HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06):
-: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue.
+HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD):
+: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push st=
ream and
+  is not able to continue decoding that header block.  This situation MA=
Y be

Regarding stream vs connection errors, let me reword this section and = every non-reference to stream error elsewhere in the document to flow mor= e smoothly.

Regarding removing the error code, yes, it was intentional. My unders= tanding is that this is the registry at htt= ps://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.10.5, where currently the next available error code is 0x0012, so this would= need to be renumbered (by the RFC editor if the two documents get in the= queue at the same time?) anyway.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  QPACK which prevent the stream or connect=
ion from continuing:
 =

-HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x06):
-: QPACK failed to decompress a frame and cannot continue.
+HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (TBD):
+: The decoder failed to interpret an instruction on a request or push st=
ream and
+  is not able to continue decoding that header block.  This situation MA=
Y be

I can get rid of the word "situation" three times by removing those th= ree sentences. They are covered by other parts of the document anyway. = Also, neither https://quicwg.org/base-drafts= /draft-ietf-quic-http.html#rfc.section.6.1 nor https://httpwg.or= g/specs/rfc7540.html#ErrorCodes bothers to spell out which error code= s are for stream errors, which ones for connection errors, and which coul= d be used for both. So why should we?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -248,11 +254,14 @@ d =3D count of entri=
es dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title=3D"Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Post-Base Index on Req=
uest Stream"}
 =

-If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry which has already been=
 dropped
-from the table or which is greater than the declared Largest Reference (=
see
-{{absolute-index}}), this MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-`HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference occurs =
on the
-encoder stream, this MUST be treated as a session error.
+If the decoder encounters a reference on a request or push stream to a d=
ynamic
+table entry which has already been dropped or which has an absolute inde=
x
+greater than the declared Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}), th=
is MUST
+be treated as an error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`.
+
+If the decoder encounters a reference on the encoder stream to a dynamic=
 table
+entry which has already been dropped or which has not yet been inserted,=
 this

Done.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -248,11 +254,14 @@ d =3D count of entri=
es dropped
 ~~~~~
 {: title=3D"Example Dynamic Table Indexing - Post-Base Index on Req=
uest Stream"}
 =

-If the decoder encounters a reference to an entry which has already been=
 dropped
-from the table or which is greater than the declared Largest Reference (=
see
-{{absolute-index}}), this MUST be treated as a stream error of type
-`HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED` error code.  If this reference occurs =
on the
-encoder stream, this MUST be treated as a session error.
+If the decoder encounters a reference on a request or push stream to a d=
ynamic
+table entry which has already been dropped or which has an absolute inde=
x
+greater than the declared Largest Reference (see {{absolute-index}}), th=
is MUST
+be treated as an error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED`.
+
+If the decoder encounters a reference on the encoder stream to a dynamic=
 table
+entry which has already been dropped or which has not yet been inserted,=
 this

Sorry, I totally missed that. You are right.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

>  
-: The full collection of headers associated with an HTTP message.
+: The ordered collection of header fields associated with an HTTP message.  A
+  header list can contain multiple header fields with identical name, or

grammar-wise "identical names" is always correct, "an identical name" would be the alternative, but then you have to identify one or other by context.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -101,6 +101,11 @@ balance between resilience against head-of-line blocking and optimal compression
 ratio.  The design goals are to closely approach the compression ratio of HPACK
 with substantially less head-of-line blocking under the same loss conditions.
 
+QPACK preserves the ordering of header fields within each header list.  An

Editorially, I agree with Alan, this isn't that important enough for space in the intro, and that it can be fixed later.

Generally, we don't say anything normative in the introduction either. The MUST pieces belong much further down. Making a new section called "Ordering" in Section 2 would work.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -602,6 +609,17 @@ blocks within a strea=
m have been fully processed.
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-header-ack title=3D"Header Acknowledgement"}
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+The same Stream ID can be identified multiple times, as multiple header =
blocks
+can be sent on a single stream in the case of intermediate responses, tr=
ailers,
+and pushed requests.  Since header frames on each stream are received an=
d
+processed in order, this gives the encoder precise feedback on which hea=
der
+blocks within a stream have been fully processed.
+
+If an encoder receives a Header Acknowledgement instruction referring to=
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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -101,6 +101,11 @@ balance between resil=
ience against head-of-line blocking and optimal compression
 ratio.  The design goals are to closely approach the compression ratio o=
f HPACK
 with substantially less head-of-line blocking under the same loss condit=
ions.
 =

+QPACK preserves the ordering of header fields within each header list.  =
An

I agree that some reorganization might be beneficial. Also, one might= consider swapping section 2 and 3, or even merging "conventions and defi= nitions" into section 1 just like it is done in RFC7541.

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QPACK uses the integer encoding defined in RFC 7541 s= ection 5.1, which states:

Integer encodings that exceed implementation limits =E2=80=94 in value= or octet length =E2=80=94 MUST be treated as decoding errors. Different = limits can be set for each of the different uses of integers, based on im= plementation constraints.

This was fine for HPACK because the maximum integer being transmitted = was capped by the header table size.

OTOH, we use the encoding to transfer stream IDs. That means that QPAC= K implementations need to support decoding integers of up to 62 bits long= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5b934e4680ebe_60053fc8c14d45bc4315b4-- From nobody Fri Sep 7 21:39:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06ABD130DF5 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:39:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RYdLGe4SsiX6 for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:39:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD6B012D7EA for ; Fri, 7 Sep 2018 21:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2018 21:39:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536381549; bh=4G15OvGWxwJSPZraNNXShnFuBsSLo9MavdZVK5dQf7k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KdKlOjSE+Tu/SExiT3wmucAG9BNEafY3H92f39in/DePu54mP0HKuf7GdxCaiZSTR CqX9Ag8QoV+O8erJkyNb9B+OhARNRLw8YSoZZgQKmTSQ6lPdoihoPATqn37LkA8MNW Q+JmW9ByuBDEeafZ+MJ7Fs5AKTlPJmONJnRtyl50= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define three QPACK error types, refine error handling. (#1726) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b93526d13348_43483f98f9ed45b4949f5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 04:39:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b93526d13348_43483f98f9ed45b4949f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not sure if I like the change due to the following two reasons: * my understanding is that the general architecture we expect is to have components (e.g, `qpack_decode_int` function) return an error code that is a constant, rather than returning an error code depending on how the component is being used * this seems like a proposal to having different error code for each stream If we are to agree on having this level of granularity, I would prefer adding a `stream_id` field to the APPLICATION_CLOSE frame for indicating the stream that the error was caused by. That would give us the ability detect the stream that caused the connection to terminate, not limited to QPACK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1726#issuecomment-419612428 ----==_mimepart_5b93526d13348_43483f98f9ed45b4949f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not sure if I like the change due to the following two reasons:

  • my understanding is that the general architecture we expect is to hav= e components (e.g, qpack_decode_int function) return an erro= r code that is a constant, rather than returning an error code depending = on how the component is being used
  • this seems like a proposal to having different error code for each st= ream

If we are to agree on having this level of granularity, I would prefer= adding a stream_id field to the APPLICATION_CLOSE frame for= indicating the stream that the error was caused by. That would give us t= he ability detect the stream that caused the connection to terminate, not= limited to QPACK.

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My preference goes to having one error code, optionally with the ability to associate the stream ID that caused the error. Please refer to
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Section 6.2.2. Server Packet Handling, says, at the end:

Servers MUST drop incoming packets under all other circumstances. They SHOULD send a Stateless Reset (Section 6.13.4) if they are able.

The last sentence is a bit dangerous. A stateless reset should NOT be sent when the endpoint has access to the connection state and can't decrypt a packet. Otherwise any random packet would kill a connection. Saying "if they are able" might be interpreted incorrectly. Can we just change it to "They SHOULD send a Stateless Reset (Section 6.13.4) when they no longer have access to the complete connection state."

The way I understand it, a stateless reset token would be something that the endpoint saves in non-volatile memory which can be used to reset connections after a crash/reboot.

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----==_mimepart_5b9354fcb71ab_d8d3ffb7fcd45b446958a-- From nobody Sat Sep 8 02:01:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD3E130E4D for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 02:01:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V6ButnGdwyMd for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 02:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40C3D130E4F for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 02:01:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 02:01:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536397296; bh=879rWYFDl5Ig8eRPlYgqRXNgLnW9lofzFnSPuCjDz0I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=f5yR47Dbu0HPWYmmsOqSnkzqbX8AolOM6VIZet75i/w3NzPFAMrTKnpNGf+BExzJ/ z9LHuIzrsQoc+dNNAvwl0SgUGoDVLeS3px2QhGsI+21SwFcfglk4rt+A39ER9wfLz7 07ezY6k7gAqGh9m1OQP7JbeohmxCEc/lrTlnhanw= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK should require handling of integers up to 62 bits long (#1727) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b938ff08bef7_c253f82a72d45c413329a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:01:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b938ff08bef7_c253f82a72d45c413329a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, this makes sense. Seems obvious, but should be in the document. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1727#issuecomment-419625206 ----==_mimepart_5b938ff08bef7_c253f82a72d45c413329a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes, this makes sense. Seems obvious, but should be in the document.

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Closed #1463.

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----==_mimepart_5b93fb69830db_25e3fdc540d45c418424e-- From nobody Sat Sep 8 09:40:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83D5612F1AB for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 09:40:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4taNTWLrqZev for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 09:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E40F130DF6 for ; Sat, 8 Sep 2018 09:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:40:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536424809; bh=D3eBEGgIQChR7J98hBd7Ogt+4zJ5jIJuzcwCCMiV2j8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vxI1u955uL5X0RtI2DIsYHc3wCiSNeDyUAeZtqd8onZoqXX6k+GwgFso6W4iuOxb/ xBxq1WSVV4TxSbPJftbPm1bD8sARLa3jhcyolEFW/LyxOOKkBBhACxYYUkITrdgQpc rXWjiLsShqvTEdAyMXeZ5O3gS/vqiX2pqdSEGO+s= From: Rui Paulo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Duplicate STREAM/CRYPTO_HS in the same packet (#1463) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b93fb698aee5_11013fbab9ad45b8165041"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rpaulo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 16:40:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b93fb698aee5_11013fbab9ad45b8165041 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had thought we could add a sentence about the different cases that data can be duplicated by an implementation but I think we can close. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1463#issuecomment-419656357 ----==_mimepart_5b93fb698aee5_11013fbab9ad45b8165041 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I had thought we could add a sentence about the different cases that data can be duplicated by an implementation but I think we can close.

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----==_mimepart_5b93fb698aee5_11013fbab9ad45b8165041-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 09:57:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3808112DD85 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:57:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CjhANFpaps5W for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:57:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3934B1200D7 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:57:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536512268; bh=LxVBY53MDdC1u5AVU8cCOUF/BZF4OKjbBBLNp3iIS2M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gc8Yrr2YknvtwCUpYs4gcYKSnZbcRDpI18C+qwS/co/Ai10Mv9JjUxy6AInDOAtLw 3kH92BMP4yf54/eEJbeZnUCtGSX328aiOfUQb6P4cZSmN3Ybu/jRoEE6LuznLPqn+8 t+UG17cJmMbHX60kW8jcLsatvQK7kNsQMlyhzRbk= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID Garbage Collection (#1729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b95510c9a062_127e3fbecc6d45b4144725d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 16:57:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b95510c9a062_127e3fbecc6d45b4144725d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nodes use the NEW CONNECTION ID frames to provide peers with lists of connection Ids that can be assigned to new paths during migration. If everything goes well, the probing for the new path succeeds, and the peer receives packet bearing the previously communicated connection ID. But things don't always go well. In some cases, the probes will fail. The node that announced the probed connection ID will not now that it has been "consumed". The node will only be able to free the associated resource at the end of the connection. It will not know that the peer needs new connection ID to replace the one that was previously consumed, and the peer will not be able to undertake another migration. Should we add some signalling to deal with the problem? Maybe a "CONSUMED CONNECTION ID" frame? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1729 ----==_mimepart_5b95510c9a062_127e3fbecc6d45b4144725d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Nodes use the NEW CONNECTION ID frames to provide peers with lists of connection Ids that can be assigned to new paths during migration. If everything goes well, the probing for the new path succeeds, and the peer receives packet bearing the previously communicated connection ID. But things don't always go well. In some cases, the probes will fail. The node that announced the probed connection ID will not now that it has been "consumed". The node will only be able to free the associated resource at the end of the connection. It will not know that the peer needs new connection ID to replace the one that was previously consumed, and the peer will not be able to undertake another migration.

Should we add some signalling to deal with the problem? Maybe a "CONSUMED CONNECTION ID" frame?

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----==_mimepart_5b95510c9a062_127e3fbecc6d45b4144725d-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 11:44:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9268E130DDE for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ME1pypP2YiWI for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B557D130DCD for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 11:43:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 11:43:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536518638; bh=kBAGpldpwsBbd/h4JCT+A23IwoObvzqRSk5HvJfSWgk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oJJiBd6NgkTVrWcACTqYGR8WexaDtkANEPbk1wBhl4ONYrDSAs1kDaCTeEkn/WHom RaUsMGyMyp8g2KLeHR1tcTGM3656CuT0vXAoRIMsZnQ59e+un0C4Npyr+XSzuXg+U3 n98TjcyYVjp/jyNn0WAjgrTCsLW70Y2zyPaEYtu0= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Bundle new client connection ID and path challenge in migration probes (#1730) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9569ee1e284_258c3faf730d45b4117290"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 18:44:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9569ee1e284_258c3faf730d45b4117290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit During migration, the server will respond to the client's probe. If the client does not use a null length connection ID, the server needs to chose one of the destination connection ID specified by the client in "new connection ID" frames. There is however a synchronization issue. The client may have sent a new connection ID frame on another path, but that frame may not have yet been received when the probe arrives. The server is in a bind. It does not know whether the client sent a new connection ID or not. It does not know whether it should reuse an old ID and compromise privacy, or delay processing of the probe. The synchronization issue is solved if the probe bundles NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730 -- Commit Summary -- * Merge pull request #5 from quicwg/master * Specifying use of new connection ID to avoid correlation -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730 ----==_mimepart_5b9569ee1e284_258c3faf730d45b4117290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

During migration, the server will respond to the client's probe. If the client does not use a null length connection ID, the server needs to chose one of the destination connection ID specified by the client in "new connection ID" frames. There is however a synchronization issue. The client may have sent a new connection ID frame on another path, but that frame may not have yet been received when the probe arrives. The server is in a bind. It does not know whether the client sent a new connection ID or not. It does not know whether it should reuse an old ID and compromise privacy, or delay processing of the probe.

The synchronization issue is solved if the probe bundles NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730

Commit Summary

  • Merge pull request #5 from quicwg/master
  • Specifying use of new connection ID to avoid correlation

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----==_mimepart_5b9569ee1e284_258c3faf730d45b4117290-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 15:10:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18924130E01 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:10:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HH6hwYNGl_Dn for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2BFB130DDA for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:10:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:10:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536531032; bh=d4TJH/oE2g9GpKhMZShaubQjgDKCuGYXQ8ATNVAVj1U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zagT2Fvn3HC5AFrhaf9w9/t10k17GuIgUMeOKUUgCKoKgPeEEVFVTLTqb8pPWlJTD wFqq4tiU4oTh8aDyDyXHdML7hImejnhJAiHGNR9rOtUOMp6Wsf98rzqfYX6ZSEF9VZ uvV00knPScaod/cgSP4XiI5fXppaM/piFThA+xl4= From: jugglinmike Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Correct typos (#1731) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b959a5879b21_7f8b3fbe682d45b8446836"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jugglinmike X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 22:10:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b959a5879b21_7f8b3fbe682d45b8446836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1731 -- Commit Summary -- * Align plurality of subject and verb * Insert omitted word * Remove unnecessary article -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4) M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1731.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1731.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1731 ----==_mimepart_5b959a5879b21_7f8b3fbe682d45b8446836 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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The term "MAY" is better suited to describing implementer action (rather
than implementer desire).

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----==_mimepart_5b959ab766c09_67853fe1630d45c420517c1-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 15:12:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 466DB130DDA for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HoYyCGFRmIv for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1E201292AD for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 15:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:12:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536531144; bh=LQt/FYr4F64rMzWiNU5w2TqUq8HtVZNAGmkOfN8TqgU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pPO0EHVaoui7QDP8Lol6OqotLxDTzGVd2XTCDYL5YDapvxQ7zPRUs+CGisf0waM7i bPrRjibGf/OTjTakJ1/zGR0z8IqWvPjkvblsjn4rOQX5ALiRRg6C54b6bLnXaQJJVS f/p5r6nCX2wJdwzZiYQCjK8qAFMegSeAxA6QRaEs= From: jugglinmike Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Correct transitions described by diagram (#1734) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b959ac816edb_6eeb3faaeead45c0524783"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jugglinmike X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 22:12:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b959ac816edb_6eeb3faaeead45c0524783 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Receiving the RST_STREAM frame may cause a transition from "Data Recvd" to "Reset Recvd," but it cannot cause a transition in the other direction. Update the diagram to accurately describe the condition which may cause a transition in that direction. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1734 -- Commit Summary -- * Correct transitions described by diagram -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1734.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1734.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1734 ----==_mimepart_5b959ac816edb_6eeb3faaeead45c0524783 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Receiving the RST_STREAM frame may cause a transition from "Data Recvd"
to "Reset Recvd," but it cannot cause a transition in the other
direction. Update the diagram to accurately describe the condition which
may cause a transition in that direction.

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----==_mimepart_5b959ac816edb_6eeb3faaeead45c0524783-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 17:40:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E1C1130E11 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oblFnM5khR5m for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E284F130DCF for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 17:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 17:40:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536540035; bh=mPFxNYl8svOy9Qdpeu+bTgiDxKcQ/qyz5TUYgk3tfzk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=P2s4XvBIjPpX9C7xFkNPbudaojqlQbt2yaPBUgLFEHPt0s0cBQ20tEKmc3ez+dhgO pJbYkwaiUoFg1tt1uaJ1bZRG/CI0Ldlge5ielZ8MdLixsyuW+Px6HHSo9k+U5m5O+z HZP1p1IKwW6B931Wd0tIxtv+zbBdfoBeFQP4GDjE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When to send Stateless Reset (#1728) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b95bd83562f_66fd3fe5cb8d45b41891ac"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 00:40:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b95bd83562f_66fd3fe5cb8d45b41891ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This also doesn't reflect the symmetric nature of stateless reset. I will adjust. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1728#issuecomment-419757565 ----==_mimepart_5b95bd83562f_66fd3fe5cb8d45b41891ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This also doesn't reflect the symmetric nature of stateless reset. I will adjust.

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Also, don't create the impression that stateless reset can be used when
a packet can't be decrypted.

Closes #1728.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1735

Commit Summary

  • Stateless reset is now available to both peers

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I think that the idea is good, but the first addition needs some tweaking. > @@ -2074,6 +2074,9 @@ path validation with other frames. For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE. +When probing a new path, an endpoint may want to ensure that the response, if +any, is sent to a specific connection ID. The endpoint achieves that by bundling +NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames, in that order. This implies that order is significant. It also implies that bundling the two means that this specific connection ID will be used. We've tried really hard to avoid special inter-frame dependencies like this. PATH_CHALLENGE is special in the sense that the path it follows is relevant to its processing (which is a necessary evil), but this implies much more than that. I think that rewording this to suggest that providing NEW_CONNECTION_ID ahead of PATH_CHALLENGE is useful (even necessary if the peer has run out, as they might have) and that having them in the same packet means that the NEW_CONNECTION_ID is guaranteed to be available. Anything more than might give the wrong impression. > @@ -2187,7 +2190,10 @@ usable for this connection. Failure to validate a path does not cause the connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available. An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address, -see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. +see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. An endpoint that uses +a new local address should include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in the probe, "SHOULD"? I don't think that we need to be this suggestive here, other than to note that lack of connection IDs will make probing - and responding to probes - impossible. > @@ -2359,6 +2365,11 @@ genuine migrations. Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed infrequently. +Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using +the same destination connection id after migration. Nodes that initiate a s/id/ID -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730#pullrequestreview-153601031 ----==_mimepart_5b95bf22175a5_3cd3f8b1b2d45c015310 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I think that the idea is good, but the first addition needs some tweaking.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2074,6 +2074,9 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+When probing a new path, an endpoint may want to ensure that the response, if
+any, is sent to a specific connection ID. The endpoint achieves that by bundling
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames, in that order.

This implies that order is significant. It also implies that bundling the two means that this specific connection ID will be used. We've tried really hard to avoid special inter-frame dependencies like this. PATH_CHALLENGE is special in the sense that the path it follows is relevant to its processing (which is a necessary evil), but this implies much more than that. I think that rewording this to suggest that providing NEW_CONNECTION_ID ahead of PATH_CHALLENGE is useful (even necessary if the peer has run out, as they might have) and that having them in the same packet means that the NEW_CONNECTION_ID is guaranteed to be available. Anything more than might give the wrong impression.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2187,7 +2190,10 @@ usable for this connection.  Failure to validate a path does not cause the
 connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available.
 
 An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address,
-see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.
+see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. An endpoint that uses
+a new local address should include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in the probe,

"SHOULD"? I don't think that we need to be this suggestive here, other than to note that lack of connection IDs will make probing - and responding to probes - impossible.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2359,6 +2365,11 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
+Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection id after migration. Nodes that initiate a

s/id/ID

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The ghost of RFC 6919...

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Update the diagram to accurately describe the condition which may cause a transition in that direction. 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Merged #1734 into master.

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I had trouble parsing that myself recently, but forgot that I should just fix it. Thanks.

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Ooo, I haven't seen that one before. Interesting!

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----==_mimepart_5b95c33b226cf_7a153fb51c6d45b43530b-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 18:14:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EA8A130E13 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:14:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aVXhOm5a9Goj for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBB22130E02 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 18:14:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 18:14:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536542056; bh=GBu2EQw7DlsdN5d8yT4Uvwl46uesB6a3BPa67fEsnRc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oKGkE8iABEO87QPuBKv2urBHHYxOp6Q6cJg9uMuDkoaLs1+Z615cC74inmQbRBnqV uOoEGDTwcleoiXXsHUsuC1PGh2tvLwVPZ5NwRtCoYswWfS43S29e8L7UVZlO1uke8y UbhaMp+h71U66wbE9FKAgdtB58mLtn+y/a/0PRg8= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Is zero a valid argument for the Table State Synchronize instruction? (#1736) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b95c56865d09_617b3f83180d45b4207688"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 01:14:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b95c56865d09_617b3f83180d45b4207688 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The QPACK draft is unclear about if insert count of zero should be considered a valid argument of the Table State Synchronize instruction. I think we should better clarify that to avoid interoperability issues (my fear is that if some minor portion of QUIC stacks consider insert_count of zero to be invalid, some QUIC stacks might get shipped without noticing the existence of such stacks. Then, we would see interoperability issues in the wild). FWIW, my weak preference goes to prohibiting use of zero as the argument. One way of achieving that would be to change the argument of the insruction to _number_of_inserts - 1_. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1736 ----==_mimepart_5b95c56865d09_617b3f83180d45b4207688 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The QPACK draft is unclear about if insert count of zero should be considered a valid argument of the Table State Synchronize instruction.

I think we should better clarify that to avoid interoperability issues (my fear is that if some minor portion of QUIC stacks consider insert_count of zero to be invalid, some QUIC stacks might get shipped without noticing the existence of such stacks. Then, we would see interoperability issues in the wild).

FWIW, my weak preference goes to prohibiting use of zero as the argument. One way of achieving that would be to change the argument of the insruction to number_of_inserts - 1.

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----==_mimepart_5b95c56865d09_617b3f83180d45b4207688-- From nobody Sun Sep 9 19:21:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2BD3130E19 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:21:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ogaf-QwglMXp for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14D10130E13 for ; Sun, 9 Sep 2018 19:21:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2018 19:21:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536546108; bh=oj+iRmEKoXMJy2+1ALyGm6deg65plCIdnCOqofqafyU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sdajizoeq24Ppu6uktiiiczcvNf6k3Zw4kE92SmRADVsIytHzecSo3iVou5FSTVYe ZBh6kqumkUfgFCT4/zlz8EHNQFYJV0ZUBuo55Ne+bJhh7xkDibMOx2E+9ipf01UYvp Fsru2a/DQh89X+w6NyBkmVY/3bSzICvG2nsTdzGI= From: Rui Paulo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Stateless reset is now available to both peers (#1735) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b95d53c281c4_15593fea768d45b4321749"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: rpaulo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 02:21:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b95d53c281c4_15593fea768d45b4321749 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @martinthomson, this looks great. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1735#issuecomment-419768814 ----==_mimepart_5b95d53c281c4_15593fea768d45b4321749 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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We can make zero invalid and keep the zero byte as a potential extension mechanism.

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Yes, the "connection ID finished" frame would solve the problem. But how am I supposed to find out a PR in Eric's private repo?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2074,6 +2074,9 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+When probing a new path, an endpoint may want to ensure that the response, if
+any, is sent to a specific connection ID. The endpoint achieves that by bundling
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames, in that order.

Agreed. I was being terse. That said, migration results in a new pair of , . It would be really nice if the nodes could chose the ID by which they accept packets on the new path.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2187,7 +2190,10 @@ usable for this connection.  Failure to validate a path does not cause the
 connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available.
 
 An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address,
-see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.
+see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. An endpoint that uses
+a new local address should include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in the probe,

Note that there is another issue in the same section. The text says that a packet containing PATH_CHALLENGE, PATH_RESPONSE, and PADDING frames is a "probing frame". Adding the NEW_CONNECTION_ID makes that a "non probing packet". I am not sure I fully get the consequences.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2074,6 +2074,9 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+When probing a new path, an endpoint may want to ensure that the response, if
+any, is sent to a specific connection ID. The endpoint achieves that by bundling
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames, in that order.

OTOH, if this PR is have any effect, it means that an endpoint must be prepared to process later frames in order to proceed. This is still an inter-frame dependency although ordering is relaxed. I think it needs to be made clear that this can happen (perhaps generally, not specifically here), otherwise an implementation may send frames in one order and a receiver fail to make use of that order.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2074,6 +2074,9 @@ path validation with other frames.  For instance, an endpoint may pad a packet
 carrying a PATH_CHALLENGE for PMTU discovery, or an endpoint may bundle a
 PATH_RESPONSE with its own PATH_CHALLENGE.
 
+When probing a new path, an endpoint may want to ensure that the response, if
+any, is sent to a specific connection ID. The endpoint achieves that by bundling
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID and PATH_CHALLENGE frames, in that order.

This is fixed. Please look at the new text.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2359,6 +2366,11 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
+Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
+migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is

need is non-normative, which feels odd to me, and there's no mention of zero-length connection IDs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1278,6 +1278,9 @@ IDs, QUIC processes the packet as part of that connection. Endpoints MUST drop
 packets with zero-length Destination Connection ID fields if they do not
 correspond to a single connection.
 
+Endpoints SHOULD send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets

I think this should be restricted to short-header packets, correct?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2359,6 +2366,11 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
+Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
+migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is

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LG in general, I wonder if this should be a bit stronger, particularly in cases the peer changes connection ID?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using

nit: I think the "also" is unnecessary.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives
+packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an

I'm wondering whether this should be a MUST in this case. Not only are you migrating, but the peer has changed CIDs, which seems like strong evidence it's trying to limit linkability?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives
+packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an

Yes, it would seem rather pointerless to change CID otherwise. Responding with an old CID is the same as the peer never changing CID. The only reason is running out of CID's and not being that sensitive to linkability. As we now, opting out voluntarily does not work well in crypto.

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(#1725) * Require that QPACK preserves header field order. 1. Rename "header" to "header field" in the definition section, just like in HPACK, RFC7541 Section 1.3. Note that already before this change the term "header field" appears 44 times in the text. 2. Rename "header set" to "header list" and define it to be ordered and explicitly allow duplicate header fields, not unlike in HPACK, RFC7541 Section 1.3. Also explicitly allow header fields with identical name. 3. 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Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed infrequently. -Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using -the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a -migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is +Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero +could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using +the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives +packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an @mikkelfj the whole point of this PR is to say that and ensure that it works. Do you want to specify what the server should do if the client's probe arrives before a new connection ID is available? By your logic, we want to say that the server should wait before responding to the probe. Then, do you want to enforce that? 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives
+packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an

@mikkelfj the whole point of this PR is to say that and ensure that it works. Do you want to specify what the server should do if the client's probe arrives before a new connection ID is available? By your logic, we want to say that the server should wait before responding to the probe.

Then, do you want to enforce that? For example, suppose that a client sent a probe with a new CID, and receives a response with an already-in-use CID. Should it just shrug and continue, or signal a protocol violation?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives
+packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an

Well, I hope that this PR fixes that so that the one case I outlined - running out of CID's become impossible, leaving only the don't care case which is not a strong enough of case for a SHOULD. If there are edge cases I think packets should be dropped or parked, otherwise the large volume of work on linkability is void. It could be that some adversary could delay packets to force linkability to happen.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives
+packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an

Or, you could just reply on the old path until you have a new CID. It might work, or it might trigger retransmission.

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@rpaulo commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1278,6 +1278,9 @@ IDs, QUIC processes the packet as part of that connection. Endpoints MUST drop
 packets with zero-length Destination Connection ID fields if they do not
 correspond to a single connection.
 
+Endpoints SHOULD send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets

We already have text in the Stateless Reset section saying an endpoint MAY send a stateless reset for a LH packet. I can't really understand how an implementation would do that, though.

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If it's valid, the literal interpretation of it would be no-op. I would be opposed to allowing an instruction that would move the value backwards, but having no effect seems relatively unobjectionable.

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All frames are idempotent. I read that to mean that if the same New Connection ID frame is received twice, the second transmission should be a no-op. I assume that "same frame" here means the same connection ID, the same reset secret, and the same sequence if we still care about sequences. That much is fine. But what if the two frames are almost the same, say with the same connection ID and a different reset secret? Should the node update the previously received secret, or should it signal a protocol violation?

A variation of that happens if the node sends a "New Connection ID" frame, and the connection ID is the same as the source ID used by that node. I assume it is a protocol violation. Or is it just a nice way for clients to tell servers about their reset secret?

(I realize that there may be work in progress in some secret PR -- but then, please submit it to the main repo.)

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----==_mimepart_5b96fafdc1f13_34153f88b18d45b821155e-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 16:36:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C032130FD9 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:36:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pTH5vILWRsVj for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5331B127133 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:36:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536622560; bh=tHRhwXz+75kfhQSweJ+5HSjXaIUzcF8a1lX0E7y72Cw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kJ+BPriZAIDYQV2KPH5vAMrnrSA4wCMsVhhnCiuptCr9jMHdDN5hyCeL0/WcCD0iW dCXVqr4BqE27qVakKc1yeCK+xqVaVI5jwa4rnIcIKVkeMeRvd52Le7xkJBxpJwTolr PisfEuIbUb70ExeLGgLktA4fR1A5kKnM/c6cYuMM= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Receiving same New Connection ID twice (#1738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b96ffe076584_5a623fe93c2d45b414164e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 23:36:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b96ffe076584_5a623fe93c2d45b414164e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @huitema I'm not aware of any secret PR. What I think you're referring to is the output from the Connection ID design team, which will be submitted as a PR to the main repo after all members of that DT have had a chance to review the latest proposal (hopefully tonight). It seems reasonable to make sure that everyone on the DT is happy with its output before submitting it to the main repo and representing it as such. Regardless, I don't believe that any of that work currently has impact on this issue, which is both a very good point and something that should probably be clarified. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1738#issuecomment-420095402 ----==_mimepart_5b96ffe076584_5a623fe93c2d45b414164e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@huitema I'm not aware of any secr= et PR.
What I think you're referring to is the output from the Connection ID des= ign team, which will be submitted as a PR to the main repo after all memb= ers of that DT have had a chance to review the latest proposal (hopefully= tonight). It seems reasonable to make sure that everyone on the DT is ha= ppy with its output before submitting it to the main repo and representin= g it as such.

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Yup, CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED should address this, which will be in a PR= against the main repo shortly, it's waiting on a final read-through from= the members of the CID DT (as I mentioned, hopefully tonight).

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I think sending this frame will not only clean up those that are "burned" by probes that fail, but it will also request new CIDs to replace those that were used by probing, which should cover the other half of the issue above?

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Commit: 8d5533ad067d1bb626e7796bc63b8a4f65a58384 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8d5533ad067d1bb626e7796bc63b8a4f65a58384 Author: Alan Frindell Date: 2018-09-10 (Mon, 10 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md Log Message: ----------- Martin's feedback Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/53fd116a405e...8d5533ad067d **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5b97022670be5_3b4a2abe0db38ecc58750-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 17:01:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23AE7130FD9 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D-xoac_g-Nlk for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D194130F74 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:01:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536624086; bh=FKyyxAJC9OfDXB890zk15H/6D6/+BwO2fXByqWEDWeo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2COstfW6KSHQZB/yfC3iMroBO7qgkPNnRxNdH4lN4fL0LCzb/uvK05Aj6Y5dX2JAt gJgH1i1qpVFMAjGkK8SMhcX30jaPDDZcR/UnEJVH+gmzZ3E7wvednOZsO7kqS5FrUd 37QZVlJPxHRSfoEKl5mcYNuUTzze/dO4yCjQXBJc= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] encoder stream can deadlock (#1420) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9705d663d7d_4eff3f9dfa4d45b82020f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 00:01:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9705d663d7d_4eff3f9dfa4d45b82020f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @afrind > If an encoder runs out of stream flow control on the encoder stream, it may erroneously send requests (and fill the connection flow control) that depend on bytes that haven't been transmitted. Some text advising caution in this scenario may be warranted. +1. Re the issue that @martinthomson initially raised, I think that we should state that: * a non-streaming decoder should cap the maximum size of an instruction that it processes to avoid memory exhaustion attacks * a non-streaming decoder that keeps partial instructions in the receive buffer should set the size of the receive buffer equal to or greater than the maximum permitted size of the instruction -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1420#issuecomment-420100423 ----==_mimepart_5b9705d663d7d_4eff3f9dfa4d45b82020f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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If an encoder runs out of stream flow control on the encoder stream, i= t may erroneously send requests (and fill the connection flow control) th= at depend on bytes that haven't been transmitted. Some text advising caut= ion in this scenario may be warranted.

+1.

Re the issue that @martinthomson initially raised, I think that we should state that:

  • a non-streaming decoder should cap the maximum size of an instruction= that it processes to avoid memory exhaustion attacks
  • a non-streaming decoder that keeps partial instructions in the receiv= e buffer should set the size of the receive buffer equal to or greater th= an the maximum permitted size of the instruction

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Closes #1728. Commit: 15d5f4f411602ae59e010bed3144cd933774db3b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/15d5f4f411602ae59e010bed3144cd933774db3b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-11 (Tue, 11 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1735 from quicwg/issue1728 Stateless reset is now available to both peers Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3cd8e33dbcc2...15d5f4f41160 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5b970f298fd60_21522ab8adccaed0883f-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 17:41:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8781130FF2 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vnh-uJAJ7YEc for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3252612F18C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:41:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 17:41:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536626476; bh=MtUaCyXYHfgSPGDleWor7UBaEM+0yrdX7Kn4ubytltE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LP9PzR2+4rnxiMN7ZQ8RbYhGDnHrP75ejBorsbZuC9HwW/N4gV21QW5PJi4jaCc3u kdj6TFnL9lT3OklYG04iHKOotBJ9K0eNkyFwEsSucpAyLjZEMI4QM1lql4acRw2XaQ oeExvc2AYw66fzRLIeblU4+cpCjx9uP7y9hB3bmE= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When to send Stateless Reset (#1728) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b970f2b93cdf_70513ffaca0d45bc1180a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 00:41:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b970f2b93cdf_70513ffaca0d45bc1180a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1728 via #1735. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1278,6 +1278,9 @@ IDs, QUIC processes the packet as part of that connection. Endpoints MUST drop
 packets with zero-length Destination Connection ID fields if they do not
 correspond to a single connection.
 
+Endpoints SHOULD send a Stateless Reset ({{stateless-reset}}) for any packets

Yes, let's not reiterate that discussion. Right now, it's basically impossible to except in a very narrow window during the handshake, but we agreed that there was no reason not to allow it. If the long header is used after the handshake completes (for reasons we come up with later), then we don't have to worry about stateless reset.

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----==_mimepart_5b971eca6001_6dab3fe214cd45c048241d-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 18:54:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A361E13104C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:54:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zQQy4L6GvxRR for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 40A67130FFC for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:54:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 18:54:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536630873; bh=4XYmdSeCt7UykSAnN+nS2QqsWT5YzzbVqC6neMBv4Ck=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SZF9jnySM9iXm/j5uUscgKaD/MuS1fUWT+llIeTE5a/g4JxMQQwxxjxqeU9AgxR01 plsYm/YZmZH9zF35IRMobCO1QanA/4pMuvwAJlJdLQyVnyhUBpGymCu9e1oA+jdiAY G4W4oWwLxFRIRBQVYJO7bCm7wGWlYLN/9Yb54SH8= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Receiving same New Connection ID twice (#1738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b97205979595_72183fa497ad45b4143126"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 01:54:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b97205979595_72183fa497ad45b4143126 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @erickinnear The parenthesis was because after I flagged a similar issue (#1729), @martinthomson asked me to "Please see erickinnear#4 - that address this problem (and some others)." I read that, wanted to comment, and could not because of some access control. And I wasn't even aware that the CNXID design team was still working on something, since in theory draft 13 was incorporating the team's design. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1738#issuecomment-420119732 ----==_mimepart_5b97205979595_72183fa497ad45b4143126 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@erickinnear The parenthesis = was because after I flagged a similar issue (#1729), @martinthomson asked me to "Please see erickinnear#4 - that address this = problem (and some others)." I read that, wanted to comment, and could not= because of some access control. And I wasn't even aware that the CNXID d= esign team was still working on something, since in theory draft 13 was i= ncorporating the team's design.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b97205979595_72183fa497ad45b4143126-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 19:36:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AA713104C for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dfd4p7b4qj5F for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61B26131052 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:36:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536633382; bh=xjjd2QL4yfKIZIpCDHJ1NgjeOMBioieAdnloyO2NbZM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dnpa8gfv5S0oIR1a0CHHQwBVuvzW8E/vpT8a/t8GtzDxxOpktFEhJINscUlYv0x1k FL1gJYTUUgs7iuy8JzhtYbPXPqeiiCRHon29UgJ57ti7EWOXAdIb7C8xi6ri7qkMTn OUwDGWj92uc4uqVCIPiaFDAANYkovqikqBGMPJWs= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID Garbage Collection (#1729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b972a258389a_550a3fd164cd45b88198f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:36:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b972a258389a_550a3fd164cd45b88198f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @erickinnear Yes. I would like to keep it very simple: just say "I have burned this connection ID", without specifying how and why. Then, the peer can do its own accounting of how many connection ID are outstanding, etc. There is a parallel issue, how does a node delete a path? How does it say that "I used to send packets with sourceCID=X and destCID = Y, but I am not going to send anymore packets to destCID=Y, and I would like you to stop sending anything to the CID=X" ? And yet another complication. Suppose that a node actually removes all resource attached to that old path. That would include the capability to send a packet to CID=X in the example above. Now suppose that despite timers and best efforts an errant packet arrives after that deletion. Since X cannot be routed, this is going to trigger a stateless reset. Does this reset cause the entire connection to crash? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1729#issuecomment-420126670 ----==_mimepart_5b972a258389a_550a3fd164cd45b88198f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@erickinnear Yes. I would lik= e to keep it very simple: just say "I have burned this connection ID", wi= thout specifying how and why. Then, the peer can do its own accounting of= how many connection ID are outstanding, etc.

There is a parallel issue, how does a node delete a path? How does it = say that "I used to send packets with sourceCID=3DX and destCID =3D Y, bu= t I am not going to send anymore packets to destCID=3DY, and I would like= you to stop sending anything to the CID=3DX" ?

And yet another complication. Suppose that a node actually removes all= resource attached to that old path. That would include the capability to= send a packet to CID=3DX in the example above. Now suppose that despite = timers and best efforts an errant packet arrives after that deletion. Sin= ce X cannot be routed, this is going to trigger a stateless reset. Does t= his reset cause the entire connection to crash?

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= ----==_mimepart_5b972a258389a_550a3fd164cd45b88198f-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 19:47:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65330131052 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:47:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-QlPwKAv_S0 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AE1C13104E for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 19:47:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536634026; bh=MVUDbTt+fZ02DyQanRCLf7sybGvLzpaf+IbUQgBuCjA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vyKlHuSVgUliT94/FIOULChTHkjBnTpCVURQk1DI0Rpc5en6Qbv8j6DjIP1s4h6K/ SpxA/NDXHzpq5Njst4L5COn4vZpAvzaNmXPJ/asM+k3fmrXLvXgISXoXUoVGy1reIZ DeXLOzACmp9IafCLwr8Uy0nXNXE9rTqgLLkUPvcM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID Garbage Collection (#1729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b972caa6c159_79863f9f5f8d45bc265929"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 02:47:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b972caa6c159_79863f9f5f8d45bc265929 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a better question: Why wasn't Christian involved with the design team work? > [...] I would like you to stop sending anything to the CID=X" The design team concluded that this wasn't a requirement we would address. If you advertise a connection ID, then you have to be prepared to accept packets with that as a destination for the lifetime of the connection. That doesn't mean that you have to sit quietly as your peer provides perfect linkability, you can definitely kill a connection if the peer acts irresponsibly, but we concluded that influencing the choice of connection ID from a peer would add too much complication. > Does this reset cause the entire connection to crash? Yes. The expectation is that you can't remove any knowledge of an old connection ID until after some time has passed, even after receiving an indication that your peer has stopped using that value. In the rare event that you spend that time and you still receive a delayed packet, then yes, you will send a stateless reset. The hope here is that the peer has forgotten that particular stateless reset token. That's why we have a recommendation for a timer. We probably need text in the PR explaining that. (@erickinnear, if you don't feel inclined to add that, please open an issue.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1729#issuecomment-420128333 ----==_mimepart_5b972caa6c159_79863f9f5f8d45bc265929 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have a better question: Why wasn't Christian involved with the desig= n team work?

[...] I would like you to stop sending anything to the CID=3DX"

The design team concluded that this wasn't a requirement we would addr= ess. If you advertise a connection ID, then you have to be prepared to a= ccept packets with that as a destination for the lifetime of the connecti= on. That doesn't mean that you have to sit quietly as your peer provides= perfect linkability, you can definitely kill a connection if the peer ac= ts irresponsibly, but we concluded that influencing the choice of connect= ion ID from a peer would add too much complication.

Does this reset cause the entire connection to crash?

Yes. The expectation is that you can't remove any knowledge of an old= connection ID until after some time has passed, even after receiving an = indication that your peer has stopped using that value. In the rare even= t that you spend that time and you still receive a delayed packet, then y= es, you will send a stateless reset. The hope here is that the peer has = forgotten that particular stateless reset token. That's why we have a re= commendation for a timer. We probably need text in the PR explaining tha= t. (@erickinnear, if you don't = feel inclined to add that, please open an issue.)

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= ----==_mimepart_5b972caa6c159_79863f9f5f8d45bc265929-- From nobody Mon Sep 10 22:12:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D726D130E34 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:12:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E7Gxv8AzGSVK for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B499130E26 for ; Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 22:12:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536642732; bh=4S6KqGe/9IjHMnleJ41azrv/MfqrzjW99kkOD1M/a4Y=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=rC/oUM4AuhfseJcGBVuqTJuVyzKIM/YgOrwNnDFtvdwvxeu8dIQ+iwQ3oHRM/V0ET /aMaEaOWM5iRQCTf4ao0UwCbtDacnfoS/6AzA0f9n5Wd1/abbwd8cYfSGm5IapwHcj u9KNZF9NdoeVMJaLNtHePSE6bhTEN7K2MKhSJpJ0= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID Garbage Collection (#1729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b974eac2fc29_5fbe3fa4210d45bc176682"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 05:12:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b974eac2fc29_5fbe3fa4210d45bc176682 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin, I understand that design teams have to be kept rather small in order to be effective and I certainly do not want to be involved in each and everyone of them. But the expectation is that once the initial design is done, we revert to open discussion in the working group. Otherwise, we have something rather different from an IETF process. I believed that the design team completed their work in June, and transferred it to the with the publication of draft-13. I am surprised that the team is still operating today as a design team. You say that "design team concluded that this wasn't a requirement we would address". Who is we, there? It is fine for the design team to say that they don't want to address a specific requirement, but it does not bind the working group. The product of the team there ought to be the reasoning and the arguments, which may or may not convince the working group. On the specific issue, I completely agree that we don't want nodes to unilaterally remove support for a particular connection ID, and then send a stateless reset that kills the connection if a laggard packet happens. In fact, that would open a DOS avenue. Attackers could record old connection IDs, wait until after a migration happens, and then send a fake "laggard" to kill the connection. But then, if we support migration, we have to also support frequent migration. And we don't want successive migrations to continuously inflate the memory footprint of a connection. I think that a garbage collection frame like CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED will solve that problem. If a node says, "that connection ID that you announced, I will never use it anymore", then it is almost safe to remove the associated resource. With a little twist: the message should also say, "... and I have destroyed the associated reset secret". For obvious reason, this requires that nodes do not pick the same reset secret for every connection ID. I don't know whether we have that requirement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1729#issuecomment-420149034 ----==_mimepart_5b974eac2fc29_5fbe3fa4210d45bc176682 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Martin, I understand that design teams have to be kept rather small in= order to be effective and I certainly do not want to be involved in each= and everyone of them. But the expectation is that once the initial desig= n is done, we revert to open discussion in the working group. Otherwise, = we have something rather different from an IETF process. I believed that = the design team completed their work in June, and transferred it to the w= ith the publication of draft-13. I am surprised that the team is still op= erating today as a design team.

You say that "design team concluded that this wasn't a requirement we = would address". Who is we, there? It is fine for the design team to say t= hat they don't want to address a specific requirement, but it does not bi= nd the working group. The product of the team there ought to be the reaso= ning and the arguments, which may or may not convince the working group.<= /p>

On the specific issue, I completely agree that we don't want nodes to = unilaterally remove support for a particular connection ID, and then send= a stateless reset that kills the connection if a laggard packet happens.= In fact, that would open a DOS avenue. Attackers could record old connec= tion IDs, wait until after a migration happens, and then send a fake "lag= gard" to kill the connection. But then, if we support migration, we have = to also support frequent migration. And we don't want successive migratio= ns to continuously inflate the memory footprint of a connection.

I think that a garbage collection frame like CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED wi= ll solve that problem. If a node says, "that connection ID that you annou= nced, I will never use it anymore", then it is almost safe to remove the = associated resource. With a little twist: the message should also say, ".= .. and I have destroyed the associated reset secret".

For obvious reason, this requires that nodes do not pick the same rese= t secret for every connection ID. I don't know whether we have that requi= rement.

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Generate an error if the same connection ID is announced twice, with different reset secret or different sequence number. Also prohibits repeating the connection ID used in handshake in a new connection ID frame.

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  • Merge pull request #5 from quicwg/master
  • Tighten error processing of NEW CONNECTION ID
  • Fix typo

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3218,6 +3218,19 @@ value of the connection ID changed.  An endpoint that is sending packets with a
 zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID
 frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+Transmission errors, time-outs and retransmission may cause the same
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple time. Additional
+transmissions SHOULD be ignored and MUST NOT cause a connection
+error.
+
+If an endpoint receives a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that repeats the same
+connection ID as a previous NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame but with a different
+Stateless Reset Token or a different Sequence, the endpoint MUST
+treat that receipt as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Similarly, if an endpoint receives a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that repeats

That MUST is hard to achieve if the context has been erased meanwhile. Surely the intention is not to log ID's forever?

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In reading this, I wonder if it isn't reasonable to send NEW_CONNECTION_ID with the same connection ID and a different token just to refresh the stateless reset keys. I think that the answer there is "that's crazy, make a new connection ID as well", but I wanted to check. > @@ -3218,6 +3218,19 @@ value of the connection ID changed. An endpoint that is sending packets with a zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +Transmission errors, time-outs and retransmission may cause the same +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple time. Additional s/time/times > @@ -3218,6 +3218,19 @@ value of the connection ID changed. An endpoint that is sending packets with a zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +Transmission errors, time-outs and retransmission may cause the same +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple time. Additional +transmissions SHOULD be ignored and MUST NOT cause a connection +error. + +If an endpoint receives a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that repeats the same +connection ID as a previous NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame but with a different +Stateless Reset Token or a different Sequence, the endpoint MUST +treat that receipt as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +Similarly, if an endpoint receives a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that repeats As @mikkelfj says, I think that we only need to say "MAY" for these and let nature take its course. 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In reading this, I wonder if it isn't reasonable to send NEW_CONNECTION_ID with the same connection ID and a different token just to refresh the stateless reset keys. I think that the answer there is "that's crazy, make a new connection ID as well", but I wanted to check.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3218,6 +3218,19 @@ value of the connection ID changed.  An endpoint that is sending packets with a
 zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID
 frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+Transmission errors, time-outs and retransmission may cause the same
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple time. Additional

s/time/times

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3218,6 +3218,19 @@ value of the connection ID changed.  An endpoint that is sending packets with a
 zero-length Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID
 frame as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+Transmission errors, time-outs and retransmission may cause the same
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to be received multiple time. Additional
+transmissions SHOULD be ignored and MUST NOT cause a connection
+error.
+
+If an endpoint receives a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that repeats the same
+connection ID as a previous NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame but with a different
+Stateless Reset Token or a different Sequence, the endpoint MUST
+treat that receipt as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+Similarly, if an endpoint receives a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame that repeats

As @mikkelfj says, I think that we only need to say "MAY" for these and let nature take its course. A "MAY treat as a protocol error" turns into a fairly firm requirement not to send duplicates.

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Just pushed a commit that replaces MUST by MAY. I am still pondering <= a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-user-id=3D"67641" data-octo-click= =3D"hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D= "https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson question whether it= is "reasonable to send NEW_CONNECTION_ID with the same connection ID= and a different token just to refresh the stateless reset keys." Th= ere are pros and cons either way.

Sending an error is simpler, it does not require updating state. But a= sking to update the reset token may be a better specification, because it= is more likely result in consistent implementations. The error will only= be sent if it is detected, and it will not be detected if the implementa= tion lost trace of the old CID. We are thus getting potentially inconsist= ent results, some implementations generating errors and some not.

We will get better consistency if we ask endpoints to just update the = reset secret associated with the CID. The implementations that keep trace= of the old CID would just perform the update. The implementations that l= ost trace would register a new CID with the new reset secret. Both types = of implementation would end up with the same result, which might be more = consistent with the idea that frames are idempotent.

But then, there is an ordering issue. QUIC does not guarantee that fra= mes are delivered in order. Even if implementation track whether the prev= ious frame has been acknowledged, there is always the risk of a delayed c= opy popping up later. In that case, we are playing reset-roulette. I supp= ose we could build machinery to guarantee the ordering of the frames, but= asking implementations to "only use a connection ID once" feels much sim= pler. Hence my choice of just detecting an error if parameters change.

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asking implementations to "only use a connection ID once" feels much simpler

My conclusion exactly. :)

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This MUST actually reintroduces the problem of remembering old ID transmissions. It cannot ignore without remembering forever.

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@huitema, the design team first me= t in late July while draft -13 was published in late June. So, no. And = nothing in the -14 changelog deals with CIDs.

The design team met, agreed on a path, and asked @erickinnear to write the text. Assembling the desig= n team's feedback into a real PR has been slow, and I think we're all mil= dly frustrated by that. My apologies for not pushing the process more qu= ickly. We should see the text in a public repo soon. (I actually didn't= know that his repo was ACL'd.)

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Thanks Christian, specifying the preferred peer max ack delay as a fra= ction of RTT is what gQUIC does today, and works well for BBR and other r= ate-based congestion controllers. However, at the moment, there's gQUIC = also sends an ACK every 10 packets, but some experiments have been done t= o raise that to 20, and no degradation was observed.

My concern is that I never got fraction of RTT based acking to work as= well as every 2 packets for TCP Cubic, but I never tried a value lower t= han 1/8RTT.

In general, I think this suggestion is good and easy to implement, but= I'm a bit concerned about regressions vs the "ACK every 2 packets" appro= ach with Reno or Cubic.

We could have a 'status quo' knob that if the ack delay isn't specifie= d, just ack every two packets with the recommended max ack delay?

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----==_mimepart_5b9848d52dafb_6fbc3f8cab2d45c023058b-- From nobody Tue Sep 11 17:42:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E24130F7B for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:42:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H53zzMcmsquG for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:42:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B624130F7F for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 17:42:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536712936; bh=wiNS8OHn+AIg8ihOpTG2/HF5ikBxWDWlYDPftFgd5YY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hEJv7+Et5Bqs6+sFp6bSBFDkRF+uQ3tA/klS+1BUax5P+hREJvQjKfDz9sS7h4uo6 rwzJ35MEpvKg6rGREG/icYWyjWtp1bw53dbpRo9YPzcxyQp3tO41eym4ptZeXWgH6f bgE/tweOCi8g4a/Yn+elujkS8dsmmabBTQyWTMnU= From: erickinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID Garbage Collection (#1729) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9860e859608_18693fe8792d45b4122731"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 00:42:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9860e859608_18693fe8792d45b4122731 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I don't believe the repo has any access control applied to it, so I'm not sure what's happening there? Should be open to everyone. Also shouldn't matter at this point, but I don't think there's any ACLs applied. There've been quite a few roundtrips on getting everything ironed out, and it's taken longer than I think any of us would have liked. A lot of that can be attributed to my being slow about updating the actual text in the PR. @huitema, it seems like you may be referring to the Stream 0 design team, which wrapped up in June and has output included in -13. That is a completely different thing from the CID DT that started after Montreal in late July/early August and should hopefully be wrapping up about now. It seems like a lot of the claims and discussion are around that assumption, so perhaps we should re-evaluate and move onwards in light of (potentially) new information. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1729#issuecomment-420472907 ----==_mimepart_5b9860e859608_18693fe8792d45b4122731 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I don't believe the repo has any access control applied to it, so I'm = not sure what's happening there? Should be open to everyone. Also shouldn= 't matter at this point, but I don't think there's any ACLs applied.

There've been quite a few roundtrips on getting everything ironed out,= and it's taken longer than I think any of us would have liked. A lot of = that can be attributed to my being slow about updating the actual text in= the PR.

@huitema, it seems like you may be= referring to the Stream 0 design team, which wrapped up in June and has = output included in -13. That is a completely different thing from the CID= DT that started after Montreal in late July/early August and should hope= fully be wrapping up about now.

It seems like a lot of the claims and discussion are around that assum= ption, so perhaps we should re-evaluate and move onwards in light of (pot= entially) new information.

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To the topic at hand, sending CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED should do exactly as described above:

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@mikkelfj are you referring to "MUST NOT be an error to receive twice" when you say "This MUST= actually reintroduces the problem of remembering old ID transmissions. I= t cannot ignore without remembering forever"? Because there is no su= ch requirement. You need to remember if you want to signal errors, but we= are rpecisely telling you, "don't do that".

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Note that if endpoints really want to avoid correlation, they don't wa= nt a pattern in which the client sends packets from new address to new CI= D, but each packet triggers a response to old address and old CID. That t= oo would be reasonably easy to observe. Yet that's probably what you get = if the server does not want to use the new path yet and keeps sending dat= a on the old path. I think that bundling the New CID with the client's pr= obe solves that, or at least removes one of the reasons for the server to= wait.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2366,11 +2366,16 @@ genuine migrations.  Changing port number can cause a peer to reset its
 congestion state (see {{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed
 infrequently.
 
-Endpoints could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
-the same destination connection ID after migration. Nodes that initiate a
-migration need to provide their peers with new connection IDs. The goal is
+Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero
+could also have their activity correlated if their peers keep using
+the same destination connection ID after migration. If a node receives
+packets through a newly used connection ID, it SHOULD select an

Responding on the old path is problematic too, because it causes correlation between new and old path.

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Oh, yes, I completely missed "the CID DT that started after Montre= al". My bad for not being in Montreal, I guess. But then it would be= good if people stopped dying so you don't have to go organize funerals..= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5b988af7bf474_49173fe4e4ed45b4501178-- From nobody Tue Sep 11 21:52:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35D8130E1B for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:52:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d8I2BKcov6TO for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:52:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CAC46130E0E for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:52:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 21:52:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536727958; bh=hlABbgG7esBDmcs4LQWQ+OYw3HMZtDxCFGjOXPPfmcQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=OwNcWSY5HXUkMjBEvWVAbqOwOF1Mq7F2vuugqdTO65Xmy1r/Xo6ctStTu+UcOLzVQ f5wFHQK3khBP/yEWr+coGJnLC/SJRgNvAxhVcWzsg4rHuFTf62GV/dCt1Kti6yN6fK 8KKubgS6VKWhkVNuytA71vvWiyU59K5Gsx4P5KCE= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] When the sender is using standard Reno congestion control, ack every ~2 packets (#1428) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b989b9699b80_12803facd14d45b425001b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 04:52:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b989b9699b80_12803facd14d45b425001b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ian, you probably have vastly more data that I do. When we are concerned with Reno and Cubic, is that a theoretical concern based on simulation, or a practical issue visible in your telemetry? I say that because ACK compression and ACK suppression does happen a lot to TCP "in the wild". Cable modems do it, for example. If I was shipping a TCP implementation on a major platform, I would do something about it, so I suppose that most of the big releases have. In any case, you have to go back to the reason why implementations want fewer ACKs -- first to reduce CPU load caused by packet-sent interrupts, and second to ease potential bottlenecks on the reverse path. So there no point being dogmatic. If ACKs are spaced "enough", be it in packets or in milliseconds, you win already; going further will only improve your CPU cost a little, but it might risk a lot. I suspect that is how gQUIC came to adopt a 10 packet cap. Or maybe a 10 ms cap as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1428#issuecomment-420511395 ----==_mimepart_5b989b9699b80_12803facd14d45b425001b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ian, you probably have vastly more data that I do. When we are concern= ed with Reno and Cubic, is that a theoretical concern based on simulation= , or a practical issue visible in your telemetry? I say that because ACK = compression and ACK suppression does happen a lot to TCP "in the wild". C= able modems do it, for example. If I was shipping a TCP implementation on= a major platform, I would do something about it, so I suppose that most = of the big releases have.

In any case, you have to go back to the reason why implementations wan= t fewer ACKs -- first to reduce CPU load caused by packet-sent interrupts= , and second to ease potential bottlenecks on the reverse path. So there = no point being dogmatic. If ACKs are spaced "enough", be it in packets or= in milliseconds, you win already; going further will only improve your C= PU cost a little, but it might risk a lot.

I suspect that is how gQUIC came to adopt a 10 packet cap. Or maybe a = 10 ms cap as well.

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No, I made the comment seconds after Martin comitted a change, snd Martin comited a new change seconds after my comment. The MUST NOT in its current form is fine.

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There is also the following: Disagreement about CID Liveness #1495

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I reached the same conclusion immediately after hitting "edit" :)

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b98b51f6a9e5_7142b25b5990ec078845"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:41:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b98b51f6a9e5_7142b25b5990ec078845 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: bc7446805de4dba246e79809a5031b9af8fb6591 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bc7446805de4dba246e79809a5031b9af8fb6591 Author: huitema Date: 2018-09-09 (Sun, 09 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Specifying use of new connection ID to avoid correlation Commit: efeb5fc69e6f663e2f15ec1c133628b8171cfca4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/efeb5fc69e6f663e2f15ec1c133628b8171cfca4 Author: huitema Date: 2018-09-09 (Sun, 09 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Attempt to incorporate Martin's suggestions Commit: 34f056e23fb5fce59146fb065cfc05bb31958e89 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/34f056e23fb5fce59146fb065cfc05bb31958e89 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-10 (Mon, 10 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- ensures Commit: a1ecc6548c5e8278d7d4ef941adc8c7c3126a938 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a1ecc6548c5e8278d7d4ef941adc8c7c3126a938 Author: huitema Date: 2018-09-10 (Mon, 10 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Adding more specific requirements per Ian's review Commit: cac497fcba75aed6ad72d155641201cd1e2acccf https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cac497fcba75aed6ad72d155641201cd1e2acccf Author: huitema Date: 2018-09-10 (Mon, 10 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'probe-cid' of https://github.com/huitema/base-drafts into probe-cid Commit: 6c018a60848ecdd33c4005eb77d1e33824edee9e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6c018a60848ecdd33c4005eb77d1e33824edee9e Author: huitema Date: 2018-09-10 (Mon, 10 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove trailing white space. Commit: 5dacf5f5c675268a6e0d02c1c35837423d539f71 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5dacf5f5c675268a6e0d02c1c35837423d539f71 Author: huitema Date: 2018-09-10 (Mon, 10 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove extraneous "also". Commit: 86ecbecca3eadb9eea70458b0f9794348161d7c8 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/86ecbecca3eadb9eea70458b0f9794348161d7c8 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Tweak probing text This text implied that there was was an expectation that the bundled NEW_CONNECTION_ID would be used. That's not guaranteed (I expect some implementations will take the oldest unused connection ID they have and use that, for instance). This changes it to merely acknowledge that the connection ID is unused and available as a result. Commit: 17ccc69ecd0c652bc8f35c5db5fb3a37b0f7c67c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17ccc69ecd0c652bc8f35c5db5fb3a37b0f7c67c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- reword, note the possibility of infinite regress Commit: 6249aaf6d0f9c4ccd675c07112d45ec626d0d264 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6249aaf6d0f9c4ccd675c07112d45ec626d0d264 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-12 (Wed, 12 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1730 from huitema/probe-cid Bundle new client connection ID and path challenge in migration probes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1a3ad6958b15...6249aaf6d0f9 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5b98b51f6a9e5_7142b25b5990ec078845-- From nobody Tue Sep 11 23:41:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0DE130EED for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:41:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tGZO6xNuCn81 for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E560130E4C for ; Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2018 23:41:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536734504; bh=gQYHtKE6E0J1NJ6e7FBaOFScaa46PvVg8bk5UEMpVxU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ti4wY40j5aaJY4/K4l+o2Y2/Wn5lPNZNAOsl/F9qFS0oF3zX0Wk+GTDNvdWAnzEqd zb73g1ZVmzjCEnVYY/FG92TvWJS6M9i+QVHYGe2TqxRxzic3IsHUULhy5xWf5EPKKz WuWimw1l5NZlsHH2+TnGNeq+gKMNcKfiOhDph7RU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Bundle new client connection ID and path challenge in migration probes (#1730) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b98b5287bc32_70c63fd123ed45c01832a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 06:41:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b98b5287bc32_70c63fd123ed45c01832a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1730 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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When sending a new connection ID it is understood that this is to prevent linkability, but it is not required that the actual ID is hard to correlate to previous ID's.

It may be tempting to use a random router prefix and a local counter in the ID.

If a client migrates the client can choose a strong new ID, but if the server responds with a weak ID in the opposite direction, that isn't very helpful. Since the client cannot influence that, servers could be coerced into using weak ID's for monitoring purposes without actually violating the protocol.

At the same time it is necessary to encode useful routing information and therefore the CID must be easy to decode.

In conclusion, at least some guidance is needed on how to construct connection ID's.

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The results weren't awful, but there were small regressions in some metrics, which appeared to indicate Cubic wasn't achieving as much bandwidth with 1/4 RTT decimation enabled. One possible issue with the experiments is that QUIC's Cubic implementation currently compares bytes_in_flight to CWND to determine if it's app-limited(https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/net/third_party/quic/core/congestion_control/tcp_cubic_sender_bytes.cc?q=cubic_sen&sq=package:chromium&g=0&l=369), and if it's app-limited it doesn't increase the CWND. I wouldn't expect less frequent ACKs to cause that to be more likely, but if it did, it could explain the behavior. In traces, it was clear that this experiment was further increasing gaps between ACKs vs acking every 2 packets, at least for some users. It's very possible this is a Wifi artifact and sending more ACKs caused the Wifi access point to release ACKs a bit more often. The other potential issue is that QUIC paces at 1.25*CWND/RTT in congestion avoidance for Cubic, because that's what the Linux kernel does. This pretty much guarantees that a flow will be CWND limited when a new ACK arrives. We discussed lowering this to 1*CWND/RTT, but never ran an experiment with that. That brings up another point. If one doesn't have pacing enabled(which I wouldn't advise, but I know pacing isn't always enabled at this point) then being ACK-clocked should smooth out traffic some. The 10 packet cap was a random number I came up with, and there was no fundamental reasoning behind it. I have no evidence it's valuable or necessary. I'd like to be in a situation where multiple implementations have data to share on this, in case my results were a result of an implementation bug, but we're not there yet. So my goal is to provide some knobs to allow experimentation, and we need to decide what those should be. 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The data was from experiments in the wild looking at YouTube and Searc= h metrics. The results weren't awful, but there were small regressions i= n some metrics, which appeared to indicate Cubic wasn't achieving as much= bandwidth with 1/4 RTT decimation enabled. One possible issue with the = experiments is that QUIC's Cubic implementation currently compares bytes_= in_flight to CWND to determine if it's app-limited(https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/net/t= hird_party/quic/core/congestion_control/tcp_cubic_sender_bytes.cc?q=3Dcub= ic_sen&sq=3Dpackage:chromium&g=3D0&l=3D369), and if it's = app-limited it doesn't increase the CWND. I wouldn't expect less frequen= t ACKs to cause that to be more likely, but if it did, it could explain t= he behavior.

In traces, it was clear that this experiment was further increasing ga= ps between ACKs vs acking every 2 packets, at least for some users. It's= very possible this is a Wifi artifact and sending more ACKs caused the W= ifi access point to release ACKs a bit more often. The other potential i= ssue is that QUIC paces at 1.25CWND/RTT in congestion avoidance for C= ubic, because that's what the Linux kernel does. This pretty much guaran= tees that a flow will be CWND limited when a new ACK arrives. We discuss= ed lowering this to 1CWND/RTT, but never ran an experiment with that= .

That brings up another point. If one doesn't have pacing enabled(whic= h I wouldn't advise, but I know pacing isn't always enabled at this point= ) then being ACK-clocked should smooth out traffic some.

The 10 packet cap was a random number I came up with, and there was no= fundamental reasoning behind it. I have no evidence it's valuable or ne= cessary.

I'd like to be in a situation where multiple implementations have data= to share on this, in case my results were a result of an implementation = bug, but we're not there yet. So my goal is to provide some knobs to all= ow experimentation, and we need to decide what those should be.

Related to this is the explicit max ack delay, which feeds into the TL= P and RTO timeouts.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b9920fd25a22_53733fc0534d45c410824e-- From nobody Wed Sep 12 09:51:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5227E130DFD for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:51:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4_KH0odWKT0a for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E3EA130DF3 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:51:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:51:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536771091; bh=LWpP68qSBoyKiDk8TU2ESfrdspEoPKoZ1We/XoqtOm0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pItMGMApnpD/it7W8K+khpr3fsT4pyHYKq5S9xPqvFDtiAZsx13I5l7PelsVFrnv4 UWyL/73JxqULUyMCkMlKSp1bELrOjzGuPN/q7ld20/2xmczLG0iE+LCb/cVhtcupJP Q4HyQkmwoseP5B7Oc99v5c0fge6KuVMQ/yZYnjFo= From: Christoph Paasch Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add max_bytes_before_ack to transport (#1715) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b994413c52_46d03fbf3d8d45b41780dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: cpaasch X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:51:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b994413c52_46d03fbf3d8d45b41780dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am to some extend agreeing with what @huitema is saying. This is adding complexity at a late stage, without giving clear guidance,... as to how to use the max_bytes_before_ack: * What value should a congestion-control announce to the peer ? * How exactly should the receiver use the value? During slow-start, should it ACK more frequently to allow the sender to build a rate-estimation? Or should it always wait for the necessary bytes? AFAICS, this can easily be added later on as an extension once it is clearer how to use it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1715#issuecomment-420719877 ----==_mimepart_5b994413c52_46d03fbf3d8d45b41780dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am to some extend agreeing with what @huitema is saying. This is adding complexity at a late stage, witho= ut giving clear guidance,... as to how to use the max_bytes_before_ack:

  • What value should a congestion-control announce to the peer ?
  • How exactly should the receiver use the value? During slow-start, sho= uld it ACK more frequently to allow the sender to build a rate-estimation= ? Or should it always wait for the necessary bytes?

AFAICS, this can easily be added later on as an extension once it is c= learer how to use it.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b994413c52_46d03fbf3d8d45b41780dc-- From nobody Wed Sep 12 09:57:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8723D130DFD for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DdIcorr6Knbk for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:57:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D29DF130DF3 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:57:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 09:57:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536771434; bh=ZsD6xEFMhb1jIGgJwb0c3nXNIvw4XHmK6vaxbsl2rF4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=PYswf/bVUeLCTeQZA2X0fGWxw6FslTCQFh9V5NUUQ1QtW+wVPSDN029lHfSqo7JhR h8vxjkN8PeB29uaYoQfNpA/s4lw3xGUTiZDbzwJrV3QQRYor9l7G8rYwes3Sn0i0qX Wok26ldDgf7QITrgHO0HZLl3xuTzBBl2CXOkCe0w= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add max_bytes_before_ack to transport (#1715) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b994569f2aa4_46d03fbf3d8d45b42138e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:57:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b994569f2aa4_46d03fbf3d8d45b42138e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, we're providing no guidance at all, except to not delay ACKs more than 1RTT. This may not be the right approach, but I think doing nothing here about these ack delay/aggregation issues are almost guaranteed to provide poor performance. Jana and I have discussed this quite a bit in the past, and it should have made it into a PR sooner. It's not intended as a last minute addition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1715#issuecomment-420721717 ----==_mimepart_5b994569f2aa4_46d03fbf3d8d45b42138e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

At the moment, we're providing no guidance at all, except to not delay= ACKs more than 1RTT.

This may not be the right approach, but I think doing nothing here abo= ut these ack delay/aggregation issues are almost guaranteed to provide po= or performance.

Jana and I have discussed this quite a bit in the past, and it should = have made it into a PR sooner. It's not intended as a last minute additi= on.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3425,6 +3433,13 @@ immediately or when a delayed ack timer expires. The delayed ack timer MUST
 NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT, which ensures an ACK frame is sent
 at least once per RTT if new packets needing acknowledgement were received.
 
+If the max_bytes_before_ack transport parameter has been received, the
+receiver SHOULD send an ACK frame immediately when at least that many octets
+of packets containing frames besides ACK or PADDING have been received since
+sending the previous ACK frame. If a receiver sends ACK frames less frequently,
+it risks causing the sender to send more slowly, which may lower the delivery
+rate at the receiver.
+

Agreed, but it is simple to implement.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1671,6 +1672,13 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
   address other than that used to perform the handshake.  This parameter is a
   zero-length value.
 
+max_bytes_before_ack (0x000c):
+
+: An unsigned 32-bit integer that indicates the maximum number of bytes received
+  before an ACK frame should be sent. The peer sending this value indicates
+  to the receiver the value it should use.  If this value is absent, the
+  receiver may use any conformant acknowledgement algorithm.
+

Congestion control is byte-based, not packet based, hence the choice. But I can see the packet vs byte based going either way.

In order to use max_ack_delay effectively, I think it's almost necessary to be able to update it during the connection. Fraction of an RTT may not need to be updated during a connection, admittedly. max_ack_delay also feeds into TLP and RTO timers, so making it fraction of an RTT could be a bit dangerous if one side has a poor estimate of RTT.

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@ianswett I agree that receivers= could hamper senders' performance if they delay ACK too much. We should = say that explicitly in the recovery draft. But sending ACKs too frequentl= y also affects the senders' performance, and we should say that too. Bott= om line, it is a balance.

We probably want to set default requirements for the number of packets= before ACK and for the max ACK delay -- your arbitrary choices of 10 pac= kets and 10 ms look as good as any, or maybe the min of that and 1/4th of= the congestion window (for bytes/packets) or the RTT (for ACK delay), wi= th something like at least two packets and 1ms as safe minimum. It would = set a reasonable default. Anything else is dependent of the congestion co= ntrol implementation at the sender, and probably requires cooperation bet= ween sender and receiver. That's what extensions are for.

But I do not think that adding this "byte limit" concept is useful, es= pecially if there is no way to change it during the course of the connect= ion.

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As the receiver, you don't know the sender's congestion window, so fraction of RTT(ie: 1/4) is a more practical option I think.

2 packets and 1ms seem like reasonable minimum values.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b995ae726dd4_77ad3fef26cd45c47933d3-- From nobody Wed Sep 12 12:57:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773E1130E16 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JxC1ig2wBkMl for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:57:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D982D130EBB for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 12:57:18 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536782238; bh=l9W7Gg57FU6iNgnFJ0/e8+slukeQUGUQRzq7BUs83u0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=O1QNCsgK4sSHQs0Zi5WrJzWGYsfu+e0Y/WMTp8GjOUPqIlDzm59ClUVzRuaRBMkhX Jv56c+wZpmK/m25WRHjM7FU/Ar7whj0O8vcjquM6S8LjYPN+kxC3dW9xni+ve09juE jsJFYoct4syYSBJLSC7/y0mlcVvWDPY8XWSJ22tg= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly Acknowledging CRYTPO Data (#1741) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b996f9ed52da_4e023f81c90d45b4105216"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 19:57:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b996f9ed52da_4e023f81c90d45b4105216 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I recently hit an assert in my crypto TX path, and after looking at it for a while I figured out it was because it was trying to retransmit data with an older encryption key than the one currently configured for sending. I was starting to look into how to fix my code to allow this case, but then I was thinking more. Should I? The actual packets exchanged were (from the server PoV): ``` [quic][RX][0] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:78e0d957a1d861c9 SrcCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 Type:I (Token 0 bytes) (Payload 1226 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][RX][0] CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:291 [quic][RX][0] PADDING Len:914 [quic][TX][0] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:I (Token 0 bytes) (Payload 182 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][TX][0] ACK Largest:0 Delay:856 [quic][TX][0] 0 [quic][TX][0] CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:155 [quic][TX][1] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1020 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][TX][1] CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:999 [quic][TX][2] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1228 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][TX][2] CRYPTO Offset:999 Len:1206 [quic][TX][3] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1228 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][TX][3] CRYPTO Offset:2205 Len:1206 [quic][TX][4] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1209 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][TX][4] CRYPTO Offset:3411 Len:1187 [quic][RX][0] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:78444bb1394fce67 SrcCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 Type:HS (Payload 61 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes) [quic][RX][0] CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:36 [quic][RX][0] ACK Largest:4 Delay:0 [quic][RX][0] 1 - 4 [quic][TX][0] FACK 4 [quic][TX][0] retransmitting ``` So either the ACK for my server's Initial packet wasn't sent yet, was sent after the Handshake packet or was lost. Either way, I end up deciding it was lost and my generic packet loss detection/recovery logic kicks in and decided the data in packet 0 should be retransmitted. The thing is, at the crypto (and TLS) layers I know I have received handshake data (all of it actually) and I am ready to send out my NST in 1-RTT. In order to get this far in the handshake, the peer MUST have received my Initial packet, so it would seem pointless to actually retransmit it. So should I? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1741 ----==_mimepart_5b996f9ed52da_4e023f81c90d45b4105216 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I recently hit an assert in my crypto TX path, and after looking at it for a while I figured out it was because it was trying to retransmit data with an older encryption key than the one currently configured for sending. I was starting to look into how to fix my code to allow this case, but then I was thinking more. Should I?

The actual packets exchanged were (from the server PoV):

[quic][RX][0] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:78e0d957a1d861c9 SrcCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 Type:I (Token 0 bytes) (Payload 1226 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][RX][0]   CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:291
[quic][RX][0]   PADDING Len:914

[quic][TX][0] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:I (Token 0 bytes) (Payload 182 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][TX][0]   ACK Largest:0 Delay:856
[quic][TX][0]     0
[quic][TX][0]   CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:155
[quic][TX][1] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1020 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][TX][1]   CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:999
[quic][TX][2] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1228 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][TX][2]   CRYPTO Offset:999 Len:1206
[quic][TX][3] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1228 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][TX][3]   CRYPTO Offset:2205 Len:1206
[quic][TX][4] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 SrcCID:78444bb1394fce67 Type:HS (Payload 1209 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][TX][4]   CRYPTO Offset:3411 Len:1187

[quic][RX][0] LH Ver:0xe0000ff DestCID:78444bb1394fce67 SrcCID:5d9b053011bce8f1 Type:HS (Payload 61 bytes) (PktNum 1 bytes)
[quic][RX][0]   CRYPTO Offset:0 Len:36
[quic][RX][0]   ACK Largest:4 Delay:0
[quic][RX][0]     1 - 4

[quic][TX][0] FACK 4
[quic][TX][0] retransmitting

So either the ACK for my server's Initial packet wasn't sent yet, was sent after the Handshake packet or was lost. Either way, I end up deciding it was lost and my generic packet loss detection/recovery logic kicks in and decided the data in packet 0 should be retransmitted.

The thing is, at the crypto (and TLS) layers I know I have received handshake data (all of it actually) and I am ready to send out my NST in 1-RTT. In order to get this far in the handshake, the peer MUST have received my Initial packet, so it would seem pointless to actually retransmit it. So should I?

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Generally I believe you should never transmit using anything but the l= atest key until multi-path has been invented. But that is after the hands= hake completes. Before that there are different crypto levels and the pee= r might not be able to proceed if data lands on the wrong level. If I rem= ember correctly your impl. tries to map different crypto spaces into a si= ngle space and handle everything uniformly - but this is case where that = isn't helpful. If the post handshake logic can completely ignore handshak= e issues, the general cases becomes simpler.

As to retransmitting packet 0 - the main concern is if a man in the mi= ddle box can trick you into believing that it did not drop the packet tow= ards the intended endpoint. So you'd have to be conservative until you ha= ve certs verified. You also don't want to special case no-retransmission = just because you can unless there are some important gains, but that is f= or packet 1+. Packet 0 is a special case, or so I would assume:

Packet 0 is in fact special because it cannot have frames that can be = retransmitted in later packets because the initial connection ID is setti= ng up the connection and must be transmitted as an exact copy, or transmi= tted as an entirely new connection attempt. Anything else probably messes= with various reset / retry token mechanisms.

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Issue #1644 contains the pretty proposal and elucidating discussion, whereas the PR is full of draft minutia. The issue, therefore, is a better starting point to list on the agenda for the purposes of background.

(This change is submitted with @afrind's approval).

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  https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/63

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  • Change QPACK index wrapping starting point: issue #1644

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----==_mimepart_5b997ca5befc6_50f23f9799cd45b8931de-- From nobody Wed Sep 12 13:56:57 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1644F130EDE for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:56:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI5UIFtGHsaS for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6836C130ECD for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:56:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 13:56:49 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536785809; bh=w7pSFsGr5ATVGVePOguOsU7ivmT683xTR2uYPB7hZNc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M0qbJW+bS94bJTwf4QXaw9QleF8+GqLuJvEpftkNK1fd1smf9+9BoQnVmhK4x6kXp kv6TpeTFI6vhRzBLmMxQmB1r2dcqBv2WW9piq+WhTQmSDWcywDnZVAdMFI4WJ4CxZ2 2pm4VBfwindDQUKFMZcPvhqalStg/5kyYPG9M0ec= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify QPACK eviction races (#1237) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b997d918c8c6_8a73fa275ad45c492381"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 20:56:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b997d918c8c6_8a73fa275ad45c492381 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1237#pullrequestreview-154840354 ----==_mimepart_5b997d918c8c6_8a73fa275ad45c492381 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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  • Add new text around Connection IDs
  • Add CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
  • Remove sequence number for Connection IDs

Short summary:
An endpoint can issue as many CIDs to its peer as it chooses. It must always allow incoming packets on all outstanding CIDs. The only way to get rid of one from that "pool" is for the peer to indicate that the CID may be forgotten via the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.

On the receiving side, you remember all the CIDs you get from your peer and can generally use any that you like at any time. If you get more than you think you need, you can ignore some.
You're only allowed to use a CID on a single path, so you should probably retire any that you've moved away from via a _FINISHED frame.

Receiving a _FINISHED frame indicates that you should generally "replace" the retired CID. There are a few recommendations in this area, mostly to ensure that it's straightforward to keep your peer from running out of CIDs to use.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1742

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  • New text around Connection IDs, add CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED

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----==_mimepart_5b997dfbf026e_4e1d3faa334d45b42065dc-- From nobody Wed Sep 12 14:10:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCF1A1200D7 for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:10:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0FRZ8vlo5-xS for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2578A130DFA for ; Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:10:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 14:10:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536786623; bh=RUONoFaB6jw2hGlo9WdiRbdv6g6Nwl2iXq4O+tK3ZRw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CM99qn1+ox0qWJO14mZUxpPc0tFrbinH+b4EP86yvzypXhtUpiYZLyl8WXGhLWcMw oNpjnVshljFGRiTEj0EfNAKic0pTKIULDtCd5+06KxdPTUqZR0PvueH8Aj+i/CImk2 i7keHzrUPkNK5zF3EV0h5kob1ZjBn5Ycv3XY3cBE= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Implicitly Acknowledging CRYTPO Data (#1741) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9980bf51528_6913fbb3eed45c01057dc"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 21:10:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9980bf51528_6913fbb3eed45c01057dc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not sure man in the middle argument is very helpful here, because if there is someone in the middle that already responded to my Initial with their own Handshake data (and TLS accepted it), then the connection is dead. Nothing the client can do or I can do now will recover that. That being said, if TLS accepted the client's Handshake data, and told me the connection is now complete, I'm fairly confident that there was no man in the middle. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1741#issuecomment-420798892 ----==_mimepart_5b9980bf51528_6913fbb3eed45c01057dc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm not sure man in the middle argument is very helpful here, because = if there is someone in the middle that already responded to my Initial wi= th their own Handshake data (and TLS accepted it), then the connection is= dead. Nothing the client can do or I can do now will recover that. That = being said, if TLS accepted the client's Handshake data, and told me the = connection is now complete, I'm fairly confident that there was no man in= the middle.

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Well, yes, that is my point - you need to be conservative and not make t= hat conclusion before it is safe to do so. Perhaps this is obvious from you= r initial post, but it would be easy to make the mistake that just because = the (apparent) server responded with some packet, it must have seen packet = 0.

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If you need to retransmit packet 0, the connection is not dead, it is = just reset - you obviously have to forget any prior received data. But yo= ur point suggests that it may be wiser to initiate a new connection with = a different packet 0 instead of reusing the original with all the potenti= al confusion that could happen with proper or adversarial endpoints.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

Technically, it doesn't do anything for changes on the existing path, but that's okay because the session is linkable anyway if you're on an existing path.

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One item to note is that we've adopted EKR's suggestion to use IP:port (= collectively "address" as in the migration section) changes instead of CID = changes as the trigger to change your own CID. Here's why:

  • If you switch CIDs without changing addresses they're already linked to= any observers, so it doesn't matter whether the remote side changes.
  • If you switch addresses without changing CIDs, they're already linked t= o any observers, so it doesn't matter whether the remote side changes.
  • If you switch addresses and CIDs at the same time, you have an opportun= ity not to be linked.

The case we actually need to cover is ensuring that, if an endpoint chan= ges address and CID at the same time, the peer absolutely does not respond = with the old CID. Any rule that produces this is sufficient, even if it als= o produces some gratuitous changes along the way.

Part of what led to the changes in -13 is that switching on CID change m= akes it hard to avoid looping. Switching on endpoint address covers the sce= nario we need without requiring a fixed ordering of CIDs.

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@MikeBishop this make sense, but in symmetric settings, both sides could have NAT rebindings, so there could a case for preemptive CID change at either endpoint after idletime - but perhaps that is a separate issue.

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That's already a recommendation in the existing text -- this is strictly talking about how to ensure that the CID coming back from the peer doesn't link, but also doesn't trigger a new CID rotation, which triggers a rotation, which triggers....

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If a new CID is retired shortly after it is issued, this problem will happen and I suppose that's why you wrote 'MAY' and not 'SHOULD'. Can't we require implementations to wait for an ACK of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID before issuing a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED? > + + +### Issuing Connection IDs + +An endpoint issues connection IDs to its peer for the peer to use when sending +packets. This allows the endpoint control over the strategy used to interpret +connection IDs of packets that it receives. These connection IDs are +communicated to the peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames +({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + +The initial connection ID issued to the peer is sent by the endpoint as the +Source Connection ID during the handshake, ensuring that the peer always begins +the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending. An endpoint +SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID +frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a +recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight. I wonder if recommending a specific number is helpful. Do we have any operation experience about suggesting 8? > +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}). + +Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs +available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of +available connection IDs. An implementation could do this by always supplying a +new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a +previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new +connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its +peer running out of available connection IDs. + +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than +previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID. +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. I guess the problem is that this paragraph implies the remote peer did not change CID but the address changed (perhaps NAT binding). If we switch CIDs, does it really require the remote end to switch CIDs? The likability problem is still there, I think. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +|   Length (8)  |          Connection ID (32..144)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+Length:
+
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID.
+
+Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type

I'm not sure how this works with packet loss / reordering. If a new CID is retired shortly after it is issued, this problem will happen and I suppose that's why you wrote 'MAY' and not 'SHOULD'.
Can't we require implementations to wait for an ACK of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID before issuing a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Issuing Connection IDs
+
+An endpoint issues connection IDs to its peer for the peer to use when sending
+packets. This allows the endpoint control over the strategy used to interpret
+connection IDs of packets that it receives.  These connection IDs are
+communicated to the peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames
+({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+The initial connection ID issued to the peer is sent by the endpoint as the
+Source Connection ID during the handshake, ensuring that the peer always begins
+the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending.  An endpoint
+SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a
+recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight.

I wonder if recommending a specific number is helpful. Do we have any operation experience about suggesting 8?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

I guess the problem is that this paragraph implies the remote peer did not change CID but the address changed (perhaps NAT binding). If we switch CIDs, does it really require the remote end to switch CIDs? The likability problem is still there, I think.

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Section 8.2 already says "or the crypto state machine implicitly knows= that the peer received the data."

I think it's a valid performance optimization to flush initial packets= from the retransmission queue when handshake keys have been derived and = also to flush handshake packets when the 1rtt keys have been keys have be= en derived. The spec doesn't seem to prevent this optimization. If it's= dangerous, then the spec should definitely prevent it.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +|   Length (8)  |          Connection ID (32..144)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+Length:
+
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID.
+
+Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type

Umm aren't you reversing direction of CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED. One end sends ID's, the other end finishes them so ACK shouldn't matter. On the MAY: if the endpoint tracks generated CID's via an algorithm such as hashing a counter. With relatively short CIDs there are possible collisions and you might not want to actually store the CIDs already generated.

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@ianswett, @MikeBishop

We've written up a version of a proposal for this extension here, also: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pauly-quic-datagram-00

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This is precisely the subject of discussion at the last IETF meeting. = It might help to review that. What the implementation is doing here is= valid: it operates loss detection on Initial packets independent of othe= r packets. To some extent, that's necessary.

That the handshake has proceeded and that activity at the next epoch i= ndicates successful receipt of the necessary packets is extra information= you aren't required to assimilate, but as @rpaulo says, you are free to do so. We explicitly decided not to p= rohibit the optimization suggested, but nor do we require that anyone imp= lement the optimization. All THAT means is that you can't assume that th= e other side is going to stop sending you Initial+CRYPTO if you don't ack= nowledge it.

The exchange @nibanks describes i= s entirely valid as implemented, if suboptimal. That's all.

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For the record, a discussion like this is probably better taken to the list. It doesn't identify an issue (though it might imply one).

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Obviously, I think that this is a good balance of the concerns, because I was involved with the decision. I do have some editorial concerns that. I'm willing to help address these. I suggest that we start with a round of discussion, during which we might decide to split off some new issues. > + + +### Issuing Connection IDs + +An endpoint issues connection IDs to its peer for the peer to use when sending +packets. This allows the endpoint control over the strategy used to interpret +connection IDs of packets that it receives. These connection IDs are +communicated to the peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames +({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + +The initial connection ID issued to the peer is sent by the endpoint as the +Source Connection ID during the handshake, ensuring that the peer always begins +the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending. An endpoint +SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID +frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a +recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight. I think that 8 is the right recommendation, but we should contextualize it more. The primary consideration being that it is important to support a number of failed connection migrations on the way to a successful migration. That context is later, so I think we should just move this recommendation. > +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}). + +Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs +available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of +available connection IDs. An implementation could do this by always supplying a +new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a +previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new +connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its +peer running out of available connection IDs. + +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than +previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID. +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. It's not always the case that use of an existing path implies linkability. Though it might be a strong signal, if I'm behind a NAT with a large number of other people, I can imagine the NAT being used as an mixing point. Changing connection ID in that context might re-establish anonymity within that set. Especially if the NAT understands connection IDs and I am able to use one for packets I receive as well. In many cases we think about, the NAT is small and the value of re-mixing low, but you can imagine building that sort of aggregator for privacy purposes. > +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}). + +Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs +available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of +available connection IDs. An implementation could do this by always supplying a +new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a +previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new +connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its +peer running out of available connection IDs. + +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than +previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID. +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. A recent PR highlighted the risks associated with that. That text now belongs here. See [this caution](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/17ccc69ecd0c652bc8f35c5db5fb3a37b0f7c67c#diff-db016291106766877c4921a79f8596e0R2380), which suggests that this change adds duplicated text... > +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than +previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID. +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. + + +### Consuming Connection IDs + +If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint +maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when +sending packets. All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for +use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by +the endpoint. Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send +packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a +CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame. This frame indicates the connection ID that is no I don't like this name (never have). But until I read this text again and saw it use "retire", I didn't have an alternative I liked enough to suggest. RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID is better (not awesome, but certainly better). Yes, that's opinion. Also, don't bother changing it. I am prepared to do that. > +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. + + +### Consuming Connection IDs + +If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint +maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when +sending packets. All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for +use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by +the endpoint. Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send +packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a +CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame. This frame indicates the connection ID that is no +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional +connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. from "and serves as a request ..." is a new concept and doesn't belong to this paragraph. It needs a new paragraph explaining things more fully. Rather than frame this as an implicit request, I would say that you address the text at the endpoint that issues the connection IDs. That is, rely on the text in the previous section and don't mention that function here at all. > + + +### Consuming Connection IDs + +If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint +maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when +sending packets. All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for +use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by +the endpoint. Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send +packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a +CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame. This frame indicates the connection ID that is no +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional +connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. + +An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that +connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED s/reasonable time/period/ I think we can leave the use of the word "reasonable" to lawyers. It implies judgment. > + +### Consuming Connection IDs + +If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint +maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when +sending packets. All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for +use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by +the endpoint. Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send +packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a +CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame. This frame indicates the connection ID that is no +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional +connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. + +An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that +connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame, or until that frame is acknowledged. A recommended time is three times The acknowledgment point here is a tricky one. The risk you describe is that a retransmission of NEW_CONNECTION_ID(X) arrives after RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID(X) is sent, which makes it appear as though X is a wholly new connection ID. If it is then used, it might trigger stateless reset. Defense against that is to wait for the ACK of the ACK for NEW_CONNECTION_ID, or to start the timer from when NEW_CONNECTION_ID is received, not when RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID is sent. However, based on comments below, I think that we should recommend retention of the connection ID at the peer that uses it for 3xRTO as well and NOT short that timer when the RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame is acknowledged. The reason for that is not use of the ID (that should have stopped before sending the frame), but acceptance of the stateless reset. Packets in flight before the connection ID is retired might generate a stateless reset. The risk I'm more concerned about is the receipt of delayed packets with X after RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID(X) is *received*. In which case the recipient of RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID needs to remember X and not generate a stateless reset for some period. That keeps it simple: remember a connection ID (and its associated reset token) from the time of sending or receiving RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID plus 3xRTO. > +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional +connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. + +An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that +connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame, or until that frame is acknowledged. A recommended time is three times +the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. This prevents potential retransmissions of a +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame from overlapping with the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame +for the same connection ID. + +Additionally, each connection ID MUST be used on packets sent from only one +local address. At any time, an endpoint MAY change to a new connection ID on a +local address already in use. An endpoint that migrates to a new local address +SHOULD retire all connection IDs that were used on the previous address +using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame. This isn't quite right. The point here is that you should retire connection IDs when you stop using the path, not when you move to a new one. This text doesn't set us up very well for multipath, for instance. Also, an endpoint might decide to retain the connection ID for a period in case it has to switch back. Think about a mobile device that hits a wifi access point. It might keep the connection ID it used on the cellular path for a time in case it remains mobile. Switching connection ID on each network change might be better, but maybe only if significant time passes. > @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished} + +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it +will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer. This also +serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use +(see {{connection-id}}). New connection IDs can be delivered via the +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + +Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any +stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID. This implies that there are multiple tokens. "Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates the stateless reset token associated with that connection ID." > @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished} + +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it +will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer. This also +serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use +(see {{connection-id}}). New connection IDs can be delivered via the +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + +Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any +stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID. As an open issue, we should decide how long to allow the old token to be effective. I would suggest that we use the same 3xRTO timer for that as well. Then we have 3xRTO everywhere in this. > +| Length (8) | Connection ID (32..144) ... ++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ +~~~ + +The fields are: + +Length: + +: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID. + +Connection ID: + +: A connection ID of the specified length. + +Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was +not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type Yeah, @mikkelfj got it. You can retire a connection ID before NEW_CONNECTION_ID is acknowledged even. As for the short connection IDs, I think that's a reason not to allow shorter values more than an argument against this text. Yes, over time, you might cycle really old IDs back into circulation such that they get re-issued to a connection that had it in the past. That would be valid, but allowing it would complicate the protocol. The protocol here uses the connection ID as its own identifier, so for that to work properly, we need it to be unique. > +The fields are: + +Length: + +: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID. + +Connection ID: + +: A connection ID of the specified length. + +Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was +not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type +PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + +An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a +zero-length Destination Connection ID. Changing the length of a connection ID It cannot send this frame because it won't have any connection IDs to put in it. I think that we can shorten this paragraph to: "An endpoint cannot send this frame if it was provided with a zero-length connection ID by its peer. An endpoint that provides a zero-length connection ID MUST treat receipt [...]" > +Connection ID: + +: A connection ID of the specified length. + +Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was +not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type +PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + +An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a +zero-length Destination Connection ID. Changing the length of a connection ID +to or from zero-length makes it difficult to identify when the value of the +connection ID changed. An endpoint that is receiving packets with a zero-length +Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame +as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + + We want to point out, purely for the purpose of completeness, that the connection ID provided during the handshake can be retired with this frame. > +the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending. An endpoint +SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID +frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a +recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight. + +When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets using this +connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates +the connection ID via a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}). + +Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs +available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of +available connection IDs. An implementation could do this by always supplying a +new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame. 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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

Obviously, I think that this is a good balance of the concerns, because I was involved with the decision. I do have some editorial concerns that.

I'm willing to help address these. I suggest that we start with a round of discussion, during which we might decide to split off some new issues.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Issuing Connection IDs
+
+An endpoint issues connection IDs to its peer for the peer to use when sending
+packets. This allows the endpoint control over the strategy used to interpret
+connection IDs of packets that it receives.  These connection IDs are
+communicated to the peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames
+({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+The initial connection ID issued to the peer is sent by the endpoint as the
+Source Connection ID during the handshake, ensuring that the peer always begins
+the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending.  An endpoint
+SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a
+recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight.

I think that 8 is the right recommendation, but we should contextualize it more. The primary consideration being that it is important to support a number of failed connection migrations on the way to a successful migration.

That context is later, so I think we should just move this recommendation.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

It's not always the case that use of an existing path implies linkability. Though it might be a strong signal, if I'm behind a NAT with a large number of other people, I can imagine the NAT being used as an mixing point. Changing connection ID in that context might re-establish anonymity within that set. Especially if the NAT understands connection IDs and I am able to use one for packets I receive as well. In many cases we think about, the NAT is small and the value of re-mixing low, but you can imagine building that sort of aggregator for privacy purposes.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

A recent PR highlighted the risks associated with that. That text now belongs here. See this caution, which suggests that this change adds duplicated text...

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.
+
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no

I don't like this name (never have). But until I read this text again and saw it use "retire", I didn't have an alternative I liked enough to suggest. RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID is better (not awesome, but certainly better).

Yes, that's opinion. Also, don't bother changing it. I am prepared to do that.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.
+
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

from "and serves as a request ..." is a new concept and doesn't belong to this paragraph. It needs a new paragraph explaining things more fully.

Rather than frame this as an implicit request, I would say that you address the text at the endpoint that issues the connection IDs. That is, rely on the text in the previous section and don't mention that function here at all.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED

s/reasonable time/period/

I think we can leave the use of the word "reasonable" to lawyers. It implies judgment.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times

The acknowledgment point here is a tricky one. The risk you describe is that a retransmission of NEW_CONNECTION_ID(X) arrives after RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID(X) is sent, which makes it appear as though X is a wholly new connection ID. If it is then used, it might trigger stateless reset. Defense against that is to wait for the ACK of the ACK for NEW_CONNECTION_ID, or to start the timer from when NEW_CONNECTION_ID is received, not when RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID is sent.

However, based on comments below, I think that we should recommend retention of the connection ID at the peer that uses it for 3xRTO as well and NOT short that timer when the RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame is acknowledged. The reason for that is not use of the ID (that should have stopped before sending the frame), but acceptance of the stateless reset. Packets in flight before the connection ID is retired might generate a stateless reset.

The risk I'm more concerned about is the receipt of delayed packets with X after RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID(X) is received. In which case the recipient of RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID needs to remember X and not generate a stateless reset for some period.

That keeps it simple: remember a connection ID (and its associated reset token) from the time of sending or receiving RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID plus 3xRTO.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times
+the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  This prevents potential retransmissions of a
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame from overlapping with the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+for the same connection ID.
+
+Additionally, each connection ID MUST be used on packets sent from only one
+local address.  At any time, an endpoint MAY change to a new connection ID on a
+local address already in use.  An endpoint that migrates to a new local address
+SHOULD retire all connection IDs that were used on the previous address
+using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.

This isn't quite right. The point here is that you should retire connection IDs when you stop using the path, not when you move to a new one. This text doesn't set us up very well for multipath, for instance.

Also, an endpoint might decide to retain the connection ID for a period in case it has to switch back. Think about a mobile device that hits a wifi access point. It might keep the connection ID it used on the cellular path for a time in case it remains mobile. Switching connection ID on each network change might be better, but maybe only if significant time passes.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

This implies that there are multiple tokens.

"Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates the stateless reset token associated with that connection ID."

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

As an open issue, we should decide how long to allow the old token to be effective. I would suggest that we use the same 3xRTO timer for that as well. Then we have 3xRTO everywhere in this.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +|   Length (8)  |          Connection ID (32..144)            ...
++-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
+~~~
+
+The fields are:
+
+Length:
+
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID.
+
+Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type

Yeah, @mikkelfj got it. You can retire a connection ID before NEW_CONNECTION_ID is acknowledged even.

As for the short connection IDs, I think that's a reason not to allow shorter values more than an argument against this text. Yes, over time, you might cycle really old IDs back into circulation such that they get re-issued to a connection that had it in the past. That would be valid, but allowing it would complicate the protocol. The protocol here uses the connection ID as its own identifier, so for that to work properly, we need it to be unique.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The fields are:
+
+Length:
+
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID.
+
+Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a
+zero-length Destination Connection ID.  Changing the length of a connection ID

It cannot send this frame because it won't have any connection IDs to put in it. I think that we can shorten this paragraph to: "An endpoint cannot send this frame if it was provided with a zero-length connection ID by its peer. An endpoint that provides a zero-length connection ID MUST treat receipt [...]"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a
+zero-length Destination Connection ID.  Changing the length of a connection ID
+to or from zero-length makes it difficult to identify when the value of the
+connection ID changed.  An endpoint that is receiving packets with a zero-length
+Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+

We want to point out, purely for the purpose of completeness, that the connection ID provided during the handshake can be retired with this frame.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending.  An endpoint
+SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a
+recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight.
+
+When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets using this
+connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
+the connection ID via a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new

s/can choose to/can/

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In the transport draft, under Frames section, max_stream_data refers to.
"A variable-length integer indicating the maximum amount of data that can be sent on the identified stream, in units of octets";

whereas under Flow Control section, it refers to max absolute offset, quoted

"MAX_STREAM_DATA frames send the maximum absolute byte offset of a stream. A receiver MAY advertise a larger offset at any point by sending MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frames. A receiver cannot renege on an advertisement; that is, once a receiver advertises an offset, advertising a smaller offset has no effect. A sender MUST therefore ignore any MAX_DATA or MAX_STREAM_DATA frames that do not increase flow control limits."

This discrepancy can cause the implementations to differ as max. amount of data is treated differently than max absolute offset. Can we clarify this in the draft?

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@erickinnear commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

Agreed, let's pull that text into this section?

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@erickinnear commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint that receives a packet with a=
 different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connectio=
n ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in bo=
th
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection=
 ID on
+an existing path.
+
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, =
the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use=
 when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered v=
alid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is reti=
red by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID =
to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID th=
at is no

Sure, RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID works just as well. =F0=9F=98=84

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.
+
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

Yeah, we've got text in the previous section for the issuer, we could remove all reference to that from this section.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

+1, I like moving towards 3xRTO for everything

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----==_mimepart_5b9aaa8227902_2a893fa6b7ed45c042729b-- From nobody Thu Sep 13 16:39:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1989C12008A for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:39:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rxRvqE901Gfn for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E85ED128D68 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 16:38:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536881937; bh=KxMcFRq8kzv54cEaH5XA1zojh89xUVOxa7WMb1X4M6M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Dj/3mEKu0q95pvxTH3gPf/7k5MSgG6UHZmJyXP0EN3QgUWMym/YADC/1m8AfjCmaA ko5bHnno0ke6vOEzwehjD5Bb3tGVg3n++0sRWq0lT+bCauqXSALm+YfpnGtQeypn+a O5yRfX9P9J9DR7JsNLCic22iJoudRjTsd1STOFJQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID DT output (#1742) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9af511dd371_43c73f8c596d45b4182824"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 23:39:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9af511dd371_43c73f8c596d45b4182824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}). + +Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs +available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of +available connection IDs. An implementation could do this by always supplying a +new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a +previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new +connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its +peer running out of available connection IDs. + +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than +previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID. +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. SGTM -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1742#discussion_r217565591 ----==_mimepart_5b9af511dd371_43c73f8c596d45b4182824 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

SGTM

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Merged #1743 into master.

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It was paddded, what's the problem?

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----==_mimepart_5b9b32a9d3eb3_63153fe5cd6d45b4121588-- From nobody Thu Sep 13 21:11:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C56130DC7 for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:11:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P2gVVyHNBy0g for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 470A61271FF for ; Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:11:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2018 21:11:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536898275; bh=s/6KVaijAOXZnDC4nyehlcFk3SUMgjT9rgevGV8H1rA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=b6HWEDJVwTyiFpCG2XrqhJVqbicbioAHTVxFXE3EqOb44N2OvNUIZl5I6sf9+unY2 YAxoAQMATSW0ZGmpdnMjYoNn/hhpipSDX3cJNoWQn4qKmMb9gJddJrAj1v0BtC7bu/ Zwf3RHIW5b5gfS0kDIlPee4SzV/aUNjo1rmYWrmU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] MAX_STREAM_DATA discrepancy (#1744) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9b34e35a205_340f3fbc4b6d45c478493"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:11:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9b34e35a205_340f3fbc4b6d45c478493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no discrepancy. The potential for discrepancy might come from the possibility that data can be sparse. That is, not all data up to the maximum offset is sent. More likely, it is lost and therefore not received. For instance, if I am set a limit of 10 and only send octets 5 through 9, then I have sent 5 octets. But I can still send 0 through 4 if I choose. So it is still possible to send 10 octets. However, when calculating flow control, it's important that we don't count the total octets that are sent or received. We have to account for the maximum in all cases, because there might be some disagreement between sender and receiver about whether a specific octet were exchanged. The text in [the description of the frame](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#frame-max-stream-data) is a high-level description of the purpose of the frame. It elides that detail intentionally to keep the text simple. Its purpose is to aid comprehension, not provide detail. As it is still essentially correct, I'm not inclined to change anything here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1744#issuecomment-421225344 ----==_mimepart_5b9b34e35a205_340f3fbc4b6d45c478493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There is no discrepancy.

The potential for discrepancy might come from the possibility that dat= a can be sparse. That is, not all data up to the maximum offset is sent.= More likely, it is lost and therefore not received. For instance, if I= am set a limit of 10 and only send octets 5 through 9, then I have sent = 5 octets. But I can still send 0 through 4 if I choose. So it is still = possible to send 10 octets.

However, when calculating flow control, it's important that we don't c= ount the total octets that are sent or received. We have to account for = the maximum in all cases, because there might be some disagreement betwee= n sender and receiver about whether a specific octet were exchanged.

The text in the description of= the frame is a high-level description of the purpose of the frame. = It elides that detail intentionally to keep the text simple. Its purpose= is to aid comprehension, not provide detail. As it is still essentially= correct, I'm not inclined to change anything here.

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This one turns out to be tricky. The question of where 0-RTT packets si= t is a problem of competing concerns. If we want to be nice to SRTP, it wo= uld be good to put Retry and 0-RTT on 0b10xx.xxxx (because those are unlike= ly to be of use in typical usage of SRTP). On the other hand, here we have= a request to put Initial and 0-RTT on 0b11xx.xxxx. Noting that we are lik= ely to use the remaining bits of the octet for many other things, maybe we = can refine the proposal.

If we were to put Initial and 0-RTT adjacent in a different way, I think= we can address all the concerns.

How bad is this test: (pkt_type & 0xc0 !=3D 0x80) ? I = don't think that turns into any more instructions than pkt_type < = 0xfe.

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((int8_t)pkt_type + (int8_t)0x40) < 0

The add operation should overflow and set the sign if the two upper bi= ts are set and not in any other case. clang x64 does it slightly differen= t using a cmp 0x40 followed by a conditional set in the example below, bu= t that could be a conditional jump.

#include <stdint.h>
#include <stdio.h>

int test(uint8_t pkt_type)
{
    int8_t x =3D (int8_t)pkt_type;
    return (x + (int8_t)0x40) < 0;
}

clang -c -S -O3 test.c

    .section    __TEXT,__text,regular,pure_instructions
    .macosx_version_min 10, 13
    .globl  _test                   ## -- Begin function test
    .p2align    4, 0x90
_test:                                  ## @test
    .cfi_startproc
## BB#0:
    pushq   %rbp
Lcfi0:
    .cfi_def_cfa_offset 16
Lcfi1:
    .cfi_offset %rbp, -16
    movq    %rsp, %rbp
Lcfi2:
    .cfi_def_cfa_register %rbp
    xorl    %eax, %eax
    cmpb    $-64, %dil
    setl    %al
    popq    %rbp
    retq
    .cfi_endproc
                                        ## -- End function

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= ----==_mimepart_5b9b69147cf58_508c3fc7368d45b866508b-- From nobody Fri Sep 14 01:29:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FBC6130ECA for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 01:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FfD4gSlctxxE for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58781130EC5 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 01:29:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 01:29:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536913759; bh=xTAOkb94QFz3Bo1eL6D0+kViEPTjwthJFPpSRnRUaaY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gIGn9GGZFiHMQLgBWFdL0OpHu6uQEuVyd5u/fPOl/T/Dv25z5i00FtQscf3WVEhnU W+hkUHqZk5OQZU5KQRsRKaAwG7H9V2ok7YiLrUvssFxkztEr4iYLEtTe2CJ2GlviZ4 0fdI7EvvLJeFewlKfhhdXIdWfszYEFho8MKViK7M= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change packet types (#1655) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9b715f70cab_15b33fd7b9ad45b41820d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 08:29:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9b715f70cab_15b33fd7b9ad45b41820d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This above was tesing for 0b11xxxxxx Testing for 0xb10xxxxxx requires one extra and instruction following clang ``` #include uint8_t test(uint8_t pkt_type) { return (pkt_type & 0xc0) != 0x80; } ``` ``` .section __TEXT,__text,regular,pure_instructions .macosx_version_min 10, 13 .globl _test ## -- Begin function test .p2align 4, 0x90 _test: ## @test .cfi_startproc ## BB#0: pushq %rbp Lcfi0: .cfi_def_cfa_offset 16 Lcfi1: .cfi_offset %rbp, -16 movq %rsp, %rbp Lcfi2: .cfi_def_cfa_register %rbp andb $-64, %dil xorl %eax, %eax cmpb $-128, %dil setne %al popq %rbp retq .cfi_endproc ## -- End function .subsections_via_symbols ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1655#issuecomment-421272229 ----==_mimepart_5b9b715f70cab_15b33fd7b9ad45b41820d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This above was tesing for 0b11xxxxxx
Testing for 0xb10xxxxxx
requires one extra and instruction following clang

#include <stdint.h>

uint8_t test(uint8_t pkt_type)
{
    return (pkt_type & 0xc0) !=3D 0x80;
}


    .section    __TEXT,__text,regular,pure_instructions
    .macosx_version_min 10, 13
    .globl  _test                   ## -- Begin function test
    .p2align    4, 0x90
_test:                                  ## @test
    .cfi_startproc
## BB#0:
    pushq   %rbp
Lcfi0:
    .cfi_def_cfa_offset 16
Lcfi1:
    .cfi_offset %rbp, -16
    movq    %rsp, %rbp
Lcfi2:
    .cfi_def_cfa_register %rbp
    andb    $-64, %dil
    xorl    %eax, %eax
    cmpb    $-128, %dil
    setne   %al
    popq    %rbp
    retq
    .cfi_endproc
                                        ## -- End function

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= ----==_mimepart_5b9b715f70cab_15b33fd7b9ad45b41820d0-- From nobody Fri Sep 14 04:20:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47733130E26 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:20:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R-RmvghYEtgS for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B3C0126DBF for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:20:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536924013; bh=Q00Ee2cbKlU/6WhgKAbynI164ULPgYEVfe4bpIt1wXI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oVD1gQ184PgXQHXoHkdb1dcmxE4qBnrKxOXIPuk65qiAnDHyy/jOejUt32A6UzMku VAkc3Ecrmq7j4+8sK+vY9eRAWCYhLOgcDVAxkq4p/rrIEo8HSxpWes/mUbRFbJoaEv b1SOSW/4CMe9fYh2rm8qX19YtkUcEJgeVTkP/sF4= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unified ACK frame (#1706) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9b996daec08_2643fcb60cd45b8227742"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:20:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9b996daec08_2643fcb60cd45b8227742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So based on the discussion and my further analysis I think we should not adopt this pull request. I think counters are the best option, and I am fine with optimizing their representation as it will definitely save a number of bytes per ACK for long lived connections. When it comes to marking in this one. I think unless one have an explicit mechanism for sender to signal to receiver which ECT codepoints that are the one used then having one ECT(any) would be the better choice. Using both ECT codepoints needs additional extensions as some of the experiments with marking, like L4S does mean that packets marked with different ECT values sees different paths. Thus, there need to be mechanisms in place to handle this. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1706#issuecomment-421328718 ----==_mimepart_5b9b996daec08_2643fcb60cd45b8227742 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So based on the discussion and my further analysis I think we should n= ot adopt this pull request. I think counters are the best option, and I a= m fine with optimizing their representation as it will definitely save a = number of bytes per ACK for long lived connections.

When it comes to marking in this one. I think unless one have an expli= cit mechanism for sender to signal to receiver which ECT codepoints that = are the one used then having one ECT(any) would be the better choice. Usi= ng both ECT codepoints needs additional extensions as some of the experim= ents with marking, like L4S does mean that packets marked with different = ECT values sees different paths. Thus, there need to be mechanisms in pla= ce to handle this.

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= = ----==_mimepart_5b9b996daec08_2643fcb60cd45b8227742-- From nobody Fri Sep 14 04:36:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ED51130E26 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4hWK8JZ7bakc for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32CDA127332 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 04:36:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536924985; bh=kyS09H5EiSZG/R7YzrEKThU8VpCnSFWE+KOeuwvvaC4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MAvnPfHFt7YxTq1btoetmt0K+9m4EsQHGR3ac6HBzS4JLPB8+AdkC4yPyyDte52xY pvZGOpuXf8x5Ynma0URXWjVUBmWiqfqaL6B0NmPESDntQ18aqC1iSOXhdrFsbd4S5w C8Myf4rZDpkrERmtk0eUDusXY+SFllKCAqYCjr8o= From: Magnus Westerlund Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add max_bytes_before_ack to transport (#1715) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9b9d395b7ba_1393fd7b00d45b820773"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: gloinul X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 11:36:28 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9b9d395b7ba_1393fd7b00d45b820773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think the first issue is that currently TPs are only negotiated at connection establishment. Which, makes it impossible to change them if one change MTUs due to PLPMTUD or a client side migration. I also agree that adding clarified recommendations on delayed ACK. I think one full RTT is a bit much delay when one have something to ACK. I am not certain I understand the full relation and precedens of the minimal, maximum etc. Here I think one should be careful to write up rules and analys their impact and what will happen in the various cases, with both really low RTTs (Backplane/loopback), as well as LANs and long fat pipes. In Kista we discussed that 1/4 of an RTT likely makes sense as an upper limit for sender stacks that accept delayed ACKs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1715#issuecomment-421331903 ----==_mimepart_5b9b9d395b7ba_1393fd7b00d45b820773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the first issue is that currently TPs are only negotiated at c= onnection establishment. Which, makes it impossible to change them if one= change MTUs due to PLPMTUD or a client side migration.

I also agree that adding clarified recommendations on delayed ACK. I t= hink one full RTT is a bit much delay when one have something to ACK. I a= m not certain I understand the full relation and precedens of the minimal= , maximum etc. Here I think one should be careful to write up rules and a= nalys their impact and what will happen in the various cases, with both r= eally low RTTs (Backplane/loopback), as well as LANs and long fat pipes. = In Kista we discussed that 1/4 of an RTT likely makes sense as an upper l= imit for sender stacks that accept delayed ACKs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

I think it's correct as written, actually, though we could make it more explicit if needed. If a packet with the old CID was delayed and the recipient drops the CID immediately upon receipt, you'll get a SR that you ought to ignore. So unless we're also adding a 3xRTO requirement on the server to continue accepting the retired CID, the sender needs to immediately stop recognizing the SRT associated with the CID. You might miss a SR from an old packet if the race lands wrong. But the packet being sent now has a new, still-valid CID and will presumably elicit a current SR of its own, so that's okay.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times

Ah, GitHub was hiding this comment initially. Remembering retired CIDs for 3xRTO on both sides (accepting SRs, but not generating them) is certainly another solution -- it's more state for the endpoints, but causes Stateless Reset to tear down more quickly.

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Using the same example, initial limit = 10. Sender sends 10 octets and receive ACK for 0 through 4. Now, from the sender's perspective, can it still send 10 octets (ie. from 5 to 14) - no. It can only send up to the offset advertised 10, effectively - 5 octets.

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It doesn't matter if data is ack'ed or not and to the stream it doesn'= t matter if data is retransmitted. What matters is largest offset, exactl= y because it is not sensitive to race conditions. The stream limit has to= do with the application more than flow control at the transport level.

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I agree with the idea of using largest offset. What I am trying to say is max_stream_data in the draft refers to maximum amount of data that can be sent (under frames section) which might be confused as sliding window mechanism; and it is clearly not that.

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it could be formulated slightly more precise but the paragraph below the headline description says:

"When counting data toward this limit, an endpoint accounts for the largest received offset of data that is sent or received on the stream. "

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I am hoping that readers would pay attention to the following paragraph and associated reference in flow control section.

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QUIC changed to allow empty STREAM frames.

Are QUIC packets with no payload also acceptable? They're pointless, but also presumably harmless? Either way, it's worth being specific about this.

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I agree they are harmless and I would prefer not to need to add extra logic to my implementation to check for empty packets. My vote is to allow them.

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The reason we allowed empty STREAM frames was because they serve a pur= pose (they cause a change in the stream state machine). Before this chang= e, you'd have to send a MAX_STREAM_DATA frame with the current offset, wh= ich was not a nice solution.

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Marten, you said "keep disallowing empty packets", but I couldn't find any text in the IETF drafts that forbids them. Possibly I missed it and then I'm happy to close this issue, since at least it's clear.

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I agree with @marten-seemann. If there's no reason for empty packets to exist, I'd prefer we forbid them.

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If you forbid empty, you must also consider padding only. And then you must consider if keep alive only happens with ping, which is extra load on the connection. What can go wrong with empty? Bandwidth abuse? That can happen by other means.

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----==_mimepart_5b9c07aa451bc_1d343fb3912d45b82144ba-- From nobody Fri Sep 14 12:13:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7825130E3B for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:13:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIhyfdRnwhjr for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:13:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAE26130DFD for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:13:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 12:13:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536952430; bh=8rZ0oWL9o6WXEefuILWMn5Z8Dlt05jKhc39hTwGUYA4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sProGD66hOkxob0gDd0Hd4wWkvDdjmHfB8ZhrBdlNhVpCabTx0/HyVDF2Pm+F5jto C0/nD5Jyf5L51n4ZsptKevjInV84uMc03N93Y/mV1NtSJHp95Tw77HxCOTZTJkh0U7 cpyvknkcjDa1eWnLq/zuma7qJTmz0uZyf/9H887c= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Bundle new client connection ID and path challenge in migration probes (#1730) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9c086e47880_617c3fe76f8d45b4208354"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 19:13:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9c086e47880_617c3fe76f8d45b4208354 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -2187,7 +2190,10 @@ usable for this connection. Failure to validate a path does not cause the connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available. An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address, -see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. +see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. An endpoint that uses +a new local address should include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in the probe, The consequence is that you'd be initiating a change to the new path, and not just a probe. I think we want to expand the definition of probing packets to include NEW_CONNECTION_ID as well. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1730#discussion_r217815549 ----==_mimepart_5b9c086e47880_617c3fe76f8d45b4208354 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2187,7 +2190,10 @@ usable for this connection.  Failure to validate a path does not cause the
 connection to end unless there are no valid alternative paths available.
 
 An endpoint uses a new connection ID for probes sent from a new local address,
-see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion.
+see {{migration-linkability}} for further discussion. An endpoint that uses
+a new local address should include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in the probe,

The consequence is that you'd be initiating a change to the new path, and not just a probe. I think we want to expand the definition of probing packets to include NEW_CONNECTION_ID as well.

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#1730 encourages probes to include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame, but doing so makes it a "non-probing packet." From a client, that initiates a hand-over; from a server, that's prohibited until the client has sent a non-probing packet.

The simple fix is to expand the definition of probing packets to include NCID frames.

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PING packets have a purpose... to elicit an ACK. Should an empty packet require an ACK?

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Thanks for clarifying Marten, that is what gQUIC does today.

Empty packets definitely should not elicit an ACK, since they're tiny and there's nothing to declare lost/retransmit/etc.

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No, that is the point / PING has more overhead. You might not care for ping every keep alive packet. Not a big deal, just saying.

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----==_mimepart_5b9c0beb7c60_2d353fe6a18d45c4157824-- From nobody Fri Sep 14 13:33:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C4EA130EA7 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F7g-DzNgRdjn for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C6E9130EA1 for ; Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:32:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 13:32:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1536957161; bh=RLVXSGgAyuFFAfYdmmi66jMq+W3QoL/1SMuU/1eL+uA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=XDg5DHwU9BwC1lJVCWRDGHUI8nt5+ej7Ljy+Tu2zoFQI5MBkyQMBCxpT1UaFBayUM YYfjr/LDSrEgzUKvx425MUrsgAFvWIvUeJLZSSqHPEOnpZvN+nDd/Mk/wvqg0tpPaF pBFBSlptypm/ZFWG8S38nLlmWFRlVOs+lrguwIVU= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK should require handling of integers up to 62 bits long (#1727) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9c1ae97789d_32c63fd8dbed45c448948"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2018 20:32:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9c1ae97789d_32c63fd8dbed45c448948 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The prefixed-integer notation encodes in blocks of 7 bits. So the largest possible QPACK value that would fit in a 64-bit unsigned integer is an 8-bit prefix plus nine bytes (with seven bits each) thereafter. (That overflows a signed 64-bit integer's range, however.) It might be friendlier to different languages to limit it to eight follow-on bytes, but we wouldn't be able to represent a 62-bit Stream ID then. However, when do we ever do this? Real needs for anything else are likely to be much more contained. The length of a header is will not likely be more than three follow-on bytes. Largest Reference can be arbitrarily large, but #1657 would fix that. An very large table can be expressed in 4 bytes. Do we have an actual use for more than 3-4 follow-on bytes? An 8-bit prefix integer with 4 follow-on bytes fits comfortably in a 32-bit signed integer without overflowing to the sign bit. That seems like a perfectly reasonable constraint for an implementation to put. I don't know that we need to require the limit to be higher than that. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1727#issuecomment-421476452 ----==_mimepart_5b9c1ae97789d_32c63fd8dbed45c448948 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The prefixed-integer notation encodes in blocks of 7 bits. So the lar= gest possible QPACK value that would fit in a 64-bit unsigned integer is = an 8-bit prefix plus nine bytes (with seven bits each) thereafter. (That= overflows a signed 64-bit integer's range, however.) It might be friend= lier to different languages to limit it to eight follow-on bytes, but we = wouldn't be able to represent a 62-bit Stream ID then.

However, when do we ever do this? Real needs for anything else are li= kely to be much more contained. The length of a header is will not likel= y be more than three follow-on bytes. Largest Reference can be arbitrari= ly large, but #16= 57 would fix that. An very large table can be expressed in 4 bytes. = Do we have an actual use for more than 3-4 follow-on bytes?

An 8-bit prefix integer with 4 follow-on bytes fits comfortably in a 3= 2-bit signed integer without overflowing to the sign bit. That seems lik= e a perfectly reasonable constraint for an implementation to put. I don'= t know that we need to require the limit to be higher than that.

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Creating or repeating NCID in the probe is the right thing to do, beca= use of fate sharing, etc. But then, probes are by definition unreliable. = Some will get lost. You may not want to repeat the probe, but if it conta= ined an NCID you do want to repeat that. So there is some amount of book-= keeping required. If a probe is abandoned without being acknowledged, the= NCID needs to be resent on a "normal" packet.

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Sending the STREAM_BLOCKED frame facilitates diagnostic, but it does not solve the issue. Stream blocked frames are informational, and many implementations just ignore them.

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For reference, there is now this repo: https://github.com/qpackers/qifs, which contains exampl= e encodings. We could brush this up and have some semi-canonical encodin= gs there. That said, I kind of liked having a few concrete examples in t= he HPACK specification that you can refer back to.

Just reviewing HPACK's examples, it has:

3 Integer encoding examples
An example encoding of each instruction
A sequence of three requests and one with three responses, each encoded b= oth with and without Huffman

For each of the request/response examples it has a block that shows th= e decoding process - which octets produce which decoder actions (insert, = evict, emit, etc).

I'm not sure how much of this ground we need to retread in QPACK. Sin= ce we use the same integer and Huffman encoding, we could probably skip t= hose.

So maybe we should have

  1. One String literal example
  2. One Example of each instruction (4 encoder, 3 decoder, 5 request)
  3. An encoding that does not use the dynamic table/control stream at all=
  4. An encoding that uses the control stream
  5. An encoding that uses the control stream and post-base instructions
  6. An encoding that makes a duplicate on the control stream and referenc= es it

I think 1 and 2 are more to be consistent with what HPACK did and shou= ldn't really be required. Even so, this might be a long section.

I'd like to avoid anything that involves decoder->encoder feedback = since it can get hairy pretty quickly. I'm less inclined to include the = decoding process diagrams since decoding is pretty simple - it only emits= .

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HPACK covers the following topics:

Probing Dynamic Table State
Static Huffman Encoding
Memory Consumption/DoS
Implementation Limits

To what degree to we need to retread this vs referring to 7541?

There are some new areas to cover related to DoS, like recommending im= plementation timeouts for blocking requests. Soliciting any other topics= , and possibly a passionate security-minded volunteer to draft a PR.

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The stream cancellation instruction serves to help the encoder cleanup state related to the dynamic table, but a decoder that sets the maximum dynamic table size to 0 does not need to send them. Now that we omit header acknowledgement for blocks with no dynamic table references, this is the only use of the QPACK control streams for an implementation not using the dynamic table.

This is not to be confused with the encoder's current table size, which can be temporarily zero but raised later to the decoder's maximum.

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When the function SetLossDetectionTimer() has been implemented like shown in the draft I get the problem that the tlp_timeout gets the default value of 10ms when sending the first paket, because the UpdateRTT() has not been invoked yet. This leads into sending of probe shortly after sending the first packet.

Does anyone has experienced the same behaviour? Would a non-zero initial value for the srtt be a solution for this?

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----==_mimepart_5b9cb1aac499a_34153fad70cd45bc149651-- From nobody Sat Sep 15 05:33:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F89130E21 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:33:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c73m6YlT2EdQ for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FFF712D7F8 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:33:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 05:33:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537014800; bh=IoxeTaNA5VpvmJ3oF0kwHGTzXYAML+PihBh+yJ6bI8g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wslHkzqJqzF5t3VtQVXiFAdcS8J050um4ZwDeVVx7ztCW0duyGM3xnZWydtHHvBP8 27s4kgSzyuFmtUZbnNKWcB6EiBA10uDMxGzyZf4/A2rniZChMEgk56+YB8N5VCxtDe nO8vbTre7P73MvRGJgRefLySltD+f7DfrQnjBMhU= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: stream cancellation only required when max dynamic table size > 0 (#1747) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9cfc107b738_3cc83fc99e2d45b81338a3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 12:33:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9cfc107b738_3cc83fc99e2d45b81338a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you think of this as an optimization for the case where there is no dynamic table AND you are cancelling streams (i.e., an exceptional condition on an exceptional condition), this really gets exciting (not). Let them send cancellations. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1747#issuecomment-421563063 ----==_mimepart_5b9cfc107b738_3cc83fc99e2d45b81338a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

If you think of this as an optimization for the case where there is no dynamic table AND you are cancelling streams (i.e., an exceptional condition on an exceptional condition), this really gets exciting (not). Let them send cancellations.

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With this, we might get resolutions on all the remaining open issues bar the obvious.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/65

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I think we will have an interesting conversation. My main concern is whether to introduce a concept of paths, i.e. pairs o connection IDs. It would simplify my code significantly, rather than trying to implement paths using low level components like NEW CONNECTION ID, PATH CHALLENGE and PATH RESPONSE. > +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}). + +Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs +available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of +available connection IDs. An implementation could do this by always supplying a +new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a +previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new +connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its +peer running out of available connection IDs. + +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than +previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID. +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both +directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on +an existing path. In practice, that recommendation amounts to the server initiating a migration upon receiving packets from a new client address, so that a given pair of CID is tied to a single pair of addresses. That can work, but we have to consider security issues. Addresses are outside the cryptographic envelope, attackers can take good packets and just replace the address by something else. That mean attackers can easily trick servers into starting migrations. I am not sure of the balance between aggravated DOD risk and moderate privacy gain. The beans are already spilled in the packet from the client with the changed address and the constant CID. If we do nothing, the client will notice that its own address changed upon receiving the first reply from the server. It can then chose to start a migration. That seems more robust. > + +### Consuming Connection IDs + +If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint +maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when +sending packets. All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for +use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by +the endpoint. Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send +packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a +CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame. This frame indicates the connection ID that is no +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional +connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. + +An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that +connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED +frame, or until that frame is acknowledged. A recommended time is three times @martinthomson do we still have a reset risk if the client retires the stateless reset value that it received with the retired connection ID? > @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. +## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished} + +An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it +will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer. This also +serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use +(see {{connection-id}}). New connection IDs can be delivered via the +NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}). + +Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any +stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID. I would actually disable the reset token asap. The only down side of doing that is to fall back to timer based termination if the connection breaks. But we probably need more text on the behavior of the reset token. Assume that a path is defined by a pair of CID. At any given point, a node will have a "main path" on which it is sending data, and a set of paths in various alternate paths in different stages of validation. Let's look at the following scenarios: 1) Node sends a normal packet, on the main path, and receives back a reset. 2) Node sends a probe with a fresh CID and new addresses and receives back a reset 3) Node sends a probe response with a fresh CID in response to a probe and receives back a reset 4) Node has parked an old path that it does not actively use and receives a reset on that path. Do we want to treat all these scenarios the same, as in tear down the connection? Or do we want to just accept resets on the path that is actively used? > +Connection ID: + +: A connection ID of the specified length. + +Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was +not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type +PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + +An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a +zero-length Destination Connection ID. Changing the length of a connection ID +to or from zero-length makes it difficult to identify when the value of the +connection ID changed. An endpoint that is receiving packets with a zero-length +Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame +as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. + + We want to say whether it can or cannot... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1742#pullrequestreview-155728483 ----==_mimepart_5b9da97681c7d_4b713fe633ad45b82213df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@huitema commented on this pull request.

I think we will have an interesting conversation. My main concern is whether to introduce a concept of paths, i.e. pairs o connection IDs. It would simplify my code significantly, rather than trying to implement paths using low level components like NEW CONNECTION ID, PATH CHALLENGE and PATH RESPONSE.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

In practice, that recommendation amounts to the server initiating a migration upon receiving packets from a new client address, so that a given pair of CID is tied to a single pair of addresses. That can work, but we have to consider security issues. Addresses are outside the cryptographic envelope, attackers can take good packets and just replace the address by something else. That mean attackers can easily trick servers into starting migrations.

I am not sure of the balance between aggravated DOD risk and moderate privacy gain. The beans are already spilled in the packet from the client with the changed address and the constant CID. If we do nothing, the client will notice that its own address changed upon receiving the first reply from the server. It can then chose to start a migration. That seems more robust.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times

@martinthomson do we still have a reset risk if the client retires the stateless reset value that it received with the retired connection ID?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

I would actually disable the reset token asap. The only down side of doing that is to fall back to timer based termination if the connection breaks. But we probably need more text on the behavior of the reset token. Assume that a path is defined by a pair of CID. At any given point, a node will have a "main path" on which it is sending data, and a set of paths in various alternate paths in different stages of validation. Let's look at the following scenarios:

  1. Node sends a normal packet, on the main path, and receives back a reset.
  2. Node sends a probe with a fresh CID and new addresses and receives back a reset
  3. Node sends a probe response with a fresh CID in response to a probe and receives back a reset
  4. Node has parked an old path that it does not actively use and receives a reset on that path.

Do we want to treat all these scenarios the same, as in tear down the connection? Or do we want to just accept resets on the path that is actively used?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a
+zero-length Destination Connection ID.  Changing the length of a connection ID
+to or from zero-length makes it difficult to identify when the value of the
+connection ID changed.  An endpoint that is receiving packets with a zero-length
+Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+

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----==_mimepart_5b9dac0f26dfa_4b6d3fe633ad45b895853-- From nobody Sat Sep 15 18:23:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 675AB130E62 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I76hQeJdu-Ui for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E316130E58 for ; Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:23:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537060991; bh=k8CpiTGUOIewUlyUdN5s/NBVE11S8Icxa0GA/wRz5ZA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hoV4HEaCrQ3du5zAjbyDmXxJj0JeS+Wnkc+62ichotikxN1Bn1tIPqhVE3ws2aJ/2 NVqvTXLhupXn52QCg3wRd/LgE1nZRoQKfEgHs3ejaz7LwL5qCH/46jKRtoY1ZdBhOs gwdP1psymRIxH19tvzEtB5LTxuZHS7ySNBQ8QOQc= From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Consider three ways handshake for new paths (#1749) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9db07f9c1b1_2f453fe7eced45b82812ed"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 01:23:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9db07f9c1b1_2f453fe7eced45b82812ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For privacy reasons, we want that communication between peers happens on path defined by a pair of addresses and identified by a pair of connection ID. For security reasons, we also want to not use paths before their continuity has been tested. Implementations end up doing that with an "ad hoc" three ways handshake: ``` Client API: please test a new path between dest and srce addresses. Client: picks fresh connection ID from list provided by server. sends "probe" (path challenge) to/from selected addresses, to selected CID. Server Node: receives the path challenge picks fresh connection ID from list provided by client. sends probe response (path challenge response and path challenge) to selected CID receives probe response. uses address pair to correlate with one of the probes in progress. associate server selected "client CID" with client selected "server CID". consider path validated. sends challenge response receives response. considers path validated. ``` Developers can make that work, and in fact it works in my code. But it is very brittle. It will fail if: 1) There is no fresh server CID available at the client to start the process. 2) There is no fresh client CID available at the server. 3) Somehow the client cannot correlate the incoming response with a pending probe. The first condition is unavoidable -- the client needs a fresh ID, and the server needs accept packets through it. But the other failure modes could be avoided, and a slight redesign would make the whole process more robust. The idea would be to recognize that this is a 3-ways handshake, and treat it as such: ``` Client API: please test a new path between dest and srce addresses. Client: picks fresh connection ID from list provided by server. picks new local CID. sends "probe" towards server selected CID with three parameters: probe challenge, client source CID, client reset token. Server Node: receives the probe. If it is ready to accept it, sends probe response to client source CID with two parameters: probe response and server challenge receives probe response. uses destination CID to correlate with probe in progress. consider path validated. sends challenge response to server. receives response. considers path validated. ``` Recognizing the probes as such makes bookkeeping much easier. It also allows enforcement of privacy rules: use exactly one CID for each of the peer CID. But of course, it requires three or four new frames; PATH_PROBE, PATH_RESPONSE, PATH_CONFIRM. And maybe something like PATH_RESET. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1749 ----==_mimepart_5b9db07f9c1b1_2f453fe7eced45b82812ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For privacy reasons, we want that communication between peers happens on path defined by a pair of addresses and identified by a pair of connection ID. For security reasons, we also want to not use paths before their continuity has been tested. Implementations end up doing that with an "ad hoc" three ways handshake:

Client API:  please test a new path between dest and srce addresses.
Client: 
picks fresh connection ID from list provided by server.
sends "probe" (path challenge) to/from selected addresses, to selected CID.
                                    Server Node:
                                    receives the path challenge
                                    picks fresh connection ID from list provided by client.
                                    sends probe response (path challenge response and path challenge) to selected CID
receives probe response.
uses address pair to correlate with one of the probes in progress.
associate server selected "client CID" with client selected "server CID".
consider path validated.
sends challenge response
                                    receives response. considers path validated.

Developers can make that work, and in fact it works in my code. But it is very brittle. It will fail if:

  1. There is no fresh server CID available at the client to start the process.
  2. There is no fresh client CID available at the server.
  3. Somehow the client cannot correlate the incoming response with a pending probe.

The first condition is unavoidable -- the client needs a fresh ID, and the server needs accept packets through it. But the other failure modes could be avoided, and a slight redesign would make the whole process more robust. The idea would be to recognize that this is a 3-ways handshake, and treat it as such:

Client API:  please test a new path between dest and srce addresses.
Client: 
picks fresh connection ID from list provided by server.
picks new local CID.
sends "probe" towards server selected CID with three parameters: 
probe challenge, client source CID, client reset token.
                                    Server Node:
                                    receives the probe. If it is ready to accept it,
                                    sends probe response to client source CID with two parameters:
                                    probe response and server challenge
receives probe response.
uses destination CID to correlate with probe in progress.
consider path validated.
sends challenge response to server.
                                    receives response. considers path validated.

Recognizing the probes as such makes bookkeeping much easier. It also allows enforcement of privacy rules: use exactly one CID for each of the peer CID. But of course, it requires three or four new frames; PATH_PROBE, PATH_RESPONSE, PATH_CONFIRM. And maybe something like PATH_RESET.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times
+the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  This prevents potential retransmissions of a
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame from overlapping with the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+for the same connection ID.
+
+Additionally, each connection ID MUST be used on packets sent from only one
+local address.  At any time, an endpoint MAY change to a new connection ID on a
+local address already in use.  An endpoint that migrates to a new local address
+SHOULD retire all connection IDs that were used on the previous address
+using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.

Yeah, that was the original intent, but that got lost in this wording.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a
+zero-length Destination Connection ID.  Changing the length of a connection ID
+to or from zero-length makes it difficult to identify when the value of the
+connection ID changed.  An endpoint that is receiving packets with a zero-length
+Destination Connection ID MUST treat receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+

Added note to this effect in 1fdbecd

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +The fields are:
+
+Length:
+
+: An 8-bit unsigned integer containing the length of the connection ID.
+
+Connection ID:
+
+: A connection ID of the specified length.
+
+Receipt of a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame containing a connection ID that was
+not previously sent to the peer MAY be treated as a connection error of type
+PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT send this frame if it is currently sending packets with a
+zero-length Destination Connection ID.  Changing the length of a connection ID

Changed this for FINISHED, works more nicely with what's in NEW now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new
+connection ID using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its
+peer running out of available connection IDs.
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address than
+previously used SHOULD also switch to sending with a different connection ID.
+This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.
+
+An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
+connection ID for a reasonable time after sending the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times
+the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in
+{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  This prevents potential retransmissions of a
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame from overlapping with the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+for the same connection ID.
+
+Additionally, each connection ID MUST be used on packets sent from only one
+local address.  At any time, an endpoint MAY change to a new connection ID on a
+local address already in use.  An endpoint that migrates to a new local address
+SHOULD retire all connection IDs that were used on the previous address
+using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.

Reworded this to indicate you should retire when you're done with the local address (what we've been saying for "path" so far). We can explain more about this if necessary, but it seems pretty evident that you may migrate back, for example, and it's no harm if you use a new CID when migrating back (if you've got enough, of course).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3257,6 +3287,49 @@ the Source Connection ID used by the peer during the initial
 handshake, it MUST treat that receipt as a connection error of type
 PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.
 
+## CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED Frame {#frame-connection-id-finished}
+
+An endpoint sends a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame (type=0x1b) to indicate that it
+will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer.  This also
+serves as a request to the peer to send additional connection IDs for future use
+(see {{connection-id}}).  New connection IDs can be delivered via the
+NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+
+Retiring a connection ID using the CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame invalidates any
+stateless reset tokens associated with that connection ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +the connection with at least one connection ID to use when sending.  An endpoint
+SHOULD supply its peer with additional connection IDs via NEW_CONNECTION_ID
+frames. While each endpoint can choose how many connection IDs to issue, a
+recommended number of outstanding connection IDs is eight.
+
+When an endpoint issues a connection ID, it MUST accept packets using this
+connection ID for the duration of the connection or until its peer invalidates
+the connection ID via a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame
+({{frame-connection-id-finished}}).
+
+Implementations SHOULD ensure that peers have sufficient connection IDs
+available to reduce the possibility of peers exhausting their supply of
+available connection IDs.  An implementation could do this by always supplying a
+new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED
+frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
+previously unused connection ID, it can choose to supply its peer with a new

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Fixes #1740

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  • Make connection ID appear random

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Note that the PR mentions correlation across connections as well as paths.
I would have said that random CID is only required for TP disable_migration, but that does not address different connections.

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There is no easy way for a peer to decided when there are too many packets lost based on the packet numbers - even if the criteria is deployment specific.

The sender does not need to introduce large gaps and by enforcing that, the peer can make an informed decision on the packet number range.

There is also no error to disconnect due to suspected abuse. A too large packet number gap could be for valid reasons, even if the loss is too high to proceed. A new error that can deal with both these conditions would be useful.

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Fixes #1751

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  • Add protection against abusive packer number sequences

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----==_mimepart_5b9e1d1face26_75dc3ffc4d8d45bc6307e9-- From nobody Sun Sep 16 03:33:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8A22130E17 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 03:33:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I-uw1soOyPpS for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 03:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F691130E64 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 03:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 03:33:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537094021; bh=5wE6h7obsfm2vxVOs8Rr+7Y0is7+g6PTGJ5lOCBxufs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=xSpf1Ok4KowT26porzeOW9JTAgjsRKvrbYxGSeuxkubkS697e8OrZkzHWEGDlVrNk SEE+eznC1yRcCHBDhm5wMqz72S3TSUuUel5T9gM991sMpaufeFyJjXMaQKtIdDMJNC PXnIZqzAZtjHMAHhrmo0IO2Xwz+3FMnoCk9EVaKQ= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Protection against abusive packet numbers (#1751) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9e3185482b6_75893ffc4d8d45bc610476"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 10:33:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9e3185482b6_75893ffc4d8d45bc610476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What=E2=80=99s the harm in sending a big gap?=0D Sending *too many* gaps is a DoS against my implementation (which I defen= d against by limiting the number of gaps), but I don=E2=80=99t see how a = large gap would be an attack. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1751#issuecomment-421740840= ----==_mimepart_5b9e3185482b6_75893ffc4d8d45bc610476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What=E2=80=99s the harm in sending a big gap?
Sending too many gaps is a DoS against my implementation (which = I defend against by limiting the number of gaps), but I don=E2=80=99t see= how a large gap would be an attack.

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= ----==_mimepart_5b9e3185482b6_75893ffc4d8d45bc610476-- From nobody Sun Sep 16 06:58:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 031B4130DF4 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 06:58:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jg2l_wCo9y5Z for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 06:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6162130DF0 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 06:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 06:58:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537106296; bh=i6opcj1dyao3u86d++fI6IZt4o57scKThaNlO51g2Rg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Y+rsPFpKkC+vrPHcC788AcheNBQfj9WfyLt5NTaboY0KmobGtOQWkPZQG9Il98Fqk HoQ0lUqQzcEMZcaWYIutf+/8xW1kSEthGZ4i7HgPW+Jn1PJXVjW9p9kDDyZAuIx/Xk i3AtfjqCcF9lU/GtULXjKtiMCLQ3rjmYu/Dg21eM= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Protection against abusive packet numbers (#1751) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9e6178d9dc0_69393fd4824d45b8893562"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:58:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9e6178d9dc0_69393fd4824d45b8893562 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, I wanted to protect against a number of gaps as well, but it is difficult to enforce. I needed something simple that is also tolerant to natural loss. If you have a better formulation please suggest. A big gap can be an attack in the sense that it prevents optimal implementations. You can't use bitmaps safely because you add a few entries per block a bitmap covers. If you can have at most one gap per packet, a bitmap is safe but it will hurt interval maps. Interval maps can guard against this by adopting small bitmaps per node, like a 32 or 64 bit word. You now have a safe upper bound on the number of allocations to expect, and if that fails, you can bail. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1751#issuecomment-421769681 ----==_mimepart_5b9e6178d9dc0_69393fd4824d45b8893562 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, I wanted to protect against a number of gaps as well, but it is d= ifficult to enforce. I needed something simple that is also tolerant to n= atural loss. If you have a better formulation please suggest.

A big gap can be an attack in the sense that it prevents optimal imple= mentations. You can't use bitmaps safely because you add a few entries pe= r block a bitmap covers. If you can have at most one gap per packet, a bi= tmap is safe but it will hurt interval maps. Interval maps can guard agai= nst this by adopting small bitmaps per node, like a 32 or 64 bit word. Yo= u now have a safe upper bound on the number of allocations to expect, and= if that fails, you can bail.

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Note that I indirectly require the gap count to be low by saying the the packet number SHOULD increase by one. I added some text to keep the gap count low.

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----==_mimepart_5b9ebd5d4259c_43fb3fe635cd45b41105420-- From nobody Sun Sep 16 13:30:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1687130DCB for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cPb6Akh6hQBn for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67175130DC4 for ; Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 13:30:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537129854; bh=/cLxTTtQ/js37yl2M2R3NTjf4fNKCpfm8mLLRT4mA5g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=x4CVJsq5podeCDvfQJNz0+OTqhEXmxWOJ3B4GbFpeCFRsqrZSZ5MoGKbk7Yqkb8wB ZExtT09Y92V/nLzVHcYRAZMwcPCpEtcz2OPPHRnktFeutng2GnTk3vNKNCGSI16CGs xO5WXlmPwsrmnl57yaauceIs8gDFm3xvrDu9eZ/E= From: jugglinmike Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove redundant references (#1754) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9ebd7e5ef2c_7bbc3fe9d1ad45bc766aa"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: jugglinmike X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2018 20:30:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9ebd7e5ef2c_7bbc3fe9d1ad45bc766aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit These citations occur within the section they are referencing. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1754 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove redundant references -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1754.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1754.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1754 ----==_mimepart_5b9ebd7e5ef2c_7bbc3fe9d1ad45bc766aa Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5b9ebd7e5ef2c_7bbc3fe9d1ad45bc766aa-- From nobody Mon Sep 17 02:34:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42EE2130DC1 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a5NyL79meDdH for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46EE8130DE2 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:34:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537176842; bh=v+4zcbdS1fDnLEH2f3P2TCUgWooi1XiKdE9r9dSxB9A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=kTgs9Qlb95i0tPo1q58FHOi7Won0/kqAQuBZ5cLSkc6NlF1+2gYK6F6pwzYpGkavG LjstZV7HaeOeEz6gCuDlXqh5oZpexrvwXtiUpqwvF9o3bkUukVVtnbhRBsWNLvuRZd vCpuBK2Pi8+ZH3T+8qLNmcZc3PDeHyQfJtgGQjyA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: stream cancellation only required when max dynamic table size > 0 (#1747) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9f750a959c7_af03ff276ed45c4122720"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:34:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9f750a959c7_af03ff276ed45c4122720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I do not have a strong opinion on this, but I do think the proposal can be considered as a simplification. The proposal allows endpoints that set maximum dynamic table size to zero to not even open a decoder stream. Maybe we could go one step further and forbid the creation of encoder stream if the maximum dynamic table size advertised by peer is zero. Then, we can have simple HQ stacks that do not handle QPACK streams at all. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1747#issuecomment-421944059 ----==_mimepart_5b9f750a959c7_af03ff276ed45c4122720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I do not have a strong opinion on this, but I do think the proposal ca= n be considered as a simplification.

The proposal allows endpoints that set maximum dynamic table size to z= ero to not even open a decoder stream. Maybe we could go one step further= and forbid the creation of encoder stream if the maximum dynamic table s= ize advertised by peer is zero.

Then, we can have simple HQ stacks that do not handle QPACK streams at= all.

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That would be useful for constrained devices.

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Otherwise what would happen if an endpoint sets SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE to zero not at the beginning of the connection, then a stream is cancelled but the peer does not need to be modified, then SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE is changed back to non-zero? How will the peer know that the stream got cancelled? Another consideration is that if an endpoint tries to close the decoder stream after changing SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE to zero mid-connection, there is no guarantee that the setting will reach the peer before the stream closure which is normally an error. Therefore decoder streams cannot be closed even in this case, leaving the connection with an unused stream. Finally, I believe that the order between SETTINGS frames and data on the decoder stream is not guaranteed. Therefore it would need to be spelled out that a stream cancellation instruction received while SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE is zero must not be treated as an error (it might have been sent before the setting was changed). That's why I think maybe it's easier not to allow SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE to be changed (at least to zero) after the initial SETTINGS frame. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1747#issuecomment-422013435 ----==_mimepart_5b9faa7f46941_75503ffa65ad45b824518b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

There can be problems if SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE is allowed to be cha= nged to zero mid-connection (not with initial SETTINGS), so maybe this prop= osal should also require SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE not to be changed (or a= t least not to be set to zero) other than in the initial settings frame.

Otherwise what would happen if an endpoint sets SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SI= ZE to zero not at the beginning of the connection, then a stream is cancell= ed but the peer does not need to be modified, then SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SI= ZE is changed back to non-zero? How will the peer know that the stream got= cancelled?

Another consideration is that if an endpoint tries to close the decoder = stream after changing SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE to zero mid-connection, th= ere is no guarantee that the setting will reach the peer before the stream = closure which is normally an error. Therefore decoder streams cannot be cl= osed even in this case, leaving the connection with an unused stream.

Finally, I believe that the order between SETTINGS frames and data on th= e decoder stream is not guaranteed. Therefore it would need to be spelled = out that a stream cancellation instruction received while SETTINGS_HEADER_T= ABLE_SIZE is zero must not be treated as an error (it might have been sent = before the setting was changed).

That's why I think maybe it's easier not to allow SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_= SIZE to be changed (at least to zero) after the initial SETTINGS frame.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

If we add an error code, I'd like to be specific about what it means. ie: too many gaps? BAD_LINK doesn't tell me if the connection is too poor to continue with or if there are too many gaps, which are potentially quite different.

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It may be more costly to the sender, but 1) the sender has the control, and 2) the sender might be malicous. The idea is to provider the receiver with some guarantees that should not be hard for a cooperative sender to comply with.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

It was intended to cover all cases where transport cannot proceed without any factual errors in dataformat covered by other errors. We could have a TOO_MANY_GAPS error, but then it would not cover TOO_LARGE_GAPS, SUSPECTED_MALICOUS_REORDERING, NO_ACKS_RECEIVED_FOR_A_WHILE etc. So we could have a more specific error, but there are many, none of which are covered by other error codes at present. But I am open to suggestions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

We could add a note about "SHOULD add a reason phrase" when using the BAD_LINK error.

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(pkt_type & 0xc0 != 0x80) should be fine. But curious about your type grouping that results in this (with first MSB for long header, you'd still just be using the second MSB here).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

I'm not a fan of adding a separate error here. There are a lot of places where an implementation might introduce some limit as a DoS defense (e.g. too many gaps in STREAM data), many of those implementation specific. BAD_LINK certainly isn't appropriate in many of those cases.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

Which error would you use then? Or would you silently drop? I considered that as well.

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Yes, the intent is that the handshake has to complete before TLP is active, and in order for it to complete, an RTT measurement must have been taken.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

I agree with @marten-seemann here. I think if an implementation has a specific limit/threshold, it should just silently drop.

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I do not have a strong opinion on the issue, but let me note that the same issue exists with max_stream_id_*.

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no-cost negotiation as long as the client and server support
a common version. It also removes a lot of text.

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----==_mimepart_5b9fcfe59c41c_32ef3f9cae8d45c0101057-- From nobody Mon Sep 17 09:15:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F91F130E98 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:15:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6WNASqYhys6t for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:15:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o8.sgmail.github.com (o8.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD914130E84 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:15:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=VZFqz/lnP02C2O+55t63jDKil74=; b=WIdeReDX0EO7FUoD 1PLuMVGL0QvLKPNOAhFHDawEcMk63jqtlR4a5IGju3z/Bl2Ec62KDvhjVOdU5Inu fp1fH3AMcCtZ++BsXrTrXKgEVtAdpQvctBFCHeRfSlowaKIDRGGeSQb5/z6xEd5d M03OPS0sz9kuQ9R11YpVScerpPQ= Received: by filter1100p1las1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1100p1las1-5651-5B9FD314-2 2018-09-17 16:15:16.089141763 +0000 UTC m=+931302.390474637 Received: from github-lowworker-cd52d7b.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.35]) by ismtpd0001p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 9zpqFOjKSDq4fOS8_21StQ for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:15:15.991 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-cd52d7b.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8FC29206B3 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 09:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:15:16 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe a new version negotiation mechanism which allows for (#1755) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9fd313dcd27_6ce33ff3462d45b4455bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3SN0Vb/KORvQs9q5m+0s/UQzX/9lHz0gpf92 hdgGOKG25APYI9sjIDaXO5Tn9X100BDdlHWjfDRqehh2ZT7KyP5jbrc9MvTD9V6LLJo0PLGDt5l64m dJGB9pV13yfqtF09L63z3OJkHyWi5x4mOwGBgb0w4t7ucH5xSAK8MJbSLg== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 16:15:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9fd313dcd27_6ce33ff3462d45b4455bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. I like the approach, though I want to read it a few more times to make sure nothing from the old text is lost. 1) Should there be an issue for this? 2) Should this be discussed in NY? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1755#pullrequestreview-156004427 ----==_mimepart_5b9fd313dcd27_6ce33ff3462d45b4455bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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I like the approach, though I want to read it a few more times to make sure nothing from the old text is lost.

  1. Should there be an issue for this? 2) Should this be discussed in NY?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1093,6 +1093,14 @@ protection for the reasons described in Section 9.3 of {{QUIC-TLS}}. An
 efficient algorithm for duplicate suppression can be found in Section 3.4.3 of
 {{?RFC2406}}.
 
+Packet numbers SHOULD be incremented by one. Parallel processing and optimistic
+ACK attack mitigation {{optimistic-ack-attack}} can lead to gaps. The difference
+between the largest sent and the largest acknowledged packet number
+SHOULD be no more than twice the actual number of packets sent.  The number of
+gaps and their sizes SHOULD be kept to a minimum.  A peer MAY close a connection
+with the error BAD_LINK when the observed gap count or loss rate based on packet

The reason I chose not to silently drop was the subsequent reset that would follow.

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@ianswett: yes, we should discuss in NY.

I will defer to the chairs for the need for an issue.

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Am I correct in assuming that resumption will be forbidden when the proposed mechanism is used?

I ask this because if we forbid that, the only things that need to be processed in a different version becomes the Initial packet and the CRYPTO frame.

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There is another issue to include CID frames in the probes, which solv= es part of this. You shouldn't be using the path to match the probe resp= onse -- you use the CID to identify the connection, then the value of the= probe response to identify which probe is being answered. The only thin= g the address is used for is to validate that the response came back from= the right endpoint.

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This is just one of many cases where implementations need to guard themselves. Nothing we can do about that in the spec.

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Section 5:

QUIC payloads MUST contain at least one frame, and MAY contain multiple frames and multiple frame types.

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Particularly in light of SegmentSmack and FragmentSmack(https://aws.amazon.com/security/security-bulletins/AWS-2018-018/), we should add some text detailing data structures in QUIC that are likely prone to similar attacks and advise using data structures that do not have N^2 behavior and/or limiting their total size to mitigate potential bugs.

Prompted by #1751

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----==_mimepart_5b9ff66dd7389_231c3f93874d45b812368a-- From nobody Mon Sep 17 11:46:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B1B7130E99 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:46:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R6NDanAOsV-q for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8EC3120072 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 11:46:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537209968; bh=l6pd9aOQRVyNx2USzxZA54YCtOzVwia9apoHUASRRdQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=od8KW0tAlxiQMe5L47bIGPU75k1m2vr3x9FiVQJ+nkIfpz7Ug881SkWqeagyWFlOH ATTsFCghVL14BALlgRft/sDfX2TBOATtmex4OcD5e+CpOZwcOr/N31nBEd1kgKPkjl mmGUQ8vXOyIXwITT+flh216A8XuscCId2eGjupi0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Receiving same New Connection ID twice (#1738) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9ff6708941_5f0a3fc2792d45bc381183"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 18:46:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9ff6708941_5f0a3fc2792d45bc381183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed by #1739. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1738#issuecomment-422126987 ----==_mimepart_5b9ff6708941_5f0a3fc2792d45bc381183 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@kazuho: I would think the client would be allowed to resume but the server would have to reject resumption/0-RTT if it changed version

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That solution breaks load balancers, because they can no longer distinguish which 0-RTT packets have client-selected CIDs and which have server-selected CIDs.

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The only item here that needs text includes that text already:

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= ----==_mimepart_5b9ffa5a12783_10e83fdc7d4d45c41250e-- From nobody Mon Sep 17 12:07:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8B4F130EA5 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:07:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XApvAqL9H57Y for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 22883130E6F for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:07:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537211268; bh=/UjFrQtLX6uUQxX47yUifojicQJOe2g6lPxXvzFMw0c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Th3UYKDeikFTeJx3zag1IxVAkmaF1OFIoa1GS2vRUEf3XT6VzCyLunxBi76rBd4Yo CW2WQ3pPW2QQUaDk56tMpZDHsyu7NOtfyGuK1vSDxiiSLh782y+66p2rHbUtpndssU LYK8fTZVzdK6sRHj3PksIAIqwnqeFfC1WAJiHK6k= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Subsequent Initial Packets with Token Field (#1649) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5b9ffb8448da1_3793fb544ad45c43950e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:07:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5b9ffb8448da1_3793fb544ad45c43950e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The rule here is that the first packet that the server receives needs to be both padded to 1200+ AND include a token. All other Initial packets have neither requirement. So the "server receives" part here is funny because it encompasses Initial after Retry and Initial after Version Negotiation. We should write this down. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1649#issuecomment-422133800 ----==_mimepart_5b9ffb8448da1_3793fb544ad45c43950e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The rule here is that the first packet that the server receives needs = to be both padded to 1200+ AND include a token. All other Initial packet= s have neither requirement. So the "server receives" part here is funny = because it encompasses Initial after Retry and Initial after Version Nego= tiation. We should write this down.

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When the client needs to send a subsequent Initial packet in response to the server's Initial packet (after HRR, containing ACKs, etc.), does it continue to use the same DCID as the first Initial packet, or does it update the DCID to the SCID from the server's Initial packet?

If the DCID changes, then load balancers cannot reliably identify which packets contain server-selected CIDs. If the DCID does not change, then the Initial packet cannot be coalesced with Handshake packets due to the requirement that all packets in a datagram contain the same DCID.

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The conclusion I've reached is that the server can start using a different connection ID if it cares about stateless reset. If others disagree, please take it to the list.

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I'm not sure that I understand what constraints on the two versions are required in order to allow this approach to work. Consider the case where only two versions are supported, A and B. The client sends an INITIAL packet containing the ClientHello (or the like) encoded with A, but indicates that it also supports B. The server and client both prefer B, so the server decide to upgrade to B. Are we guaranteed that everything needed for B will be in the A ClientHello? Could the TLS handshake mapping change between A and B is some way that would cause problems here? What about 0-RTT data? What if between A and B we changed the stream mapping / numbering? The client would have created (and sent) streams allocated with the logic of A but which would be incorrect for B? It seems really hard to guarantee that there are no such changes between A and B. I think there are simpler solutions to the problem this PR intends to solve: 1) Advertise supported versions. For the HTTP/QUIC use case, Alt-Svc already gives us a mechanism to advertise QUIC versions so we're not in a position where the client doesn't know the server's versions. 2) Use two connections. Start a connection with versions A and send 0-RTT streams. When the client learns that the server supports a preferred version, it should start a new connection using version B, but not send new requests on this connection until/unless the handshake completes. Once that happens, the client should send new requests on B and close A once it become idle. This avoids waiting an RTT to learn about the new version and avoids the complexity of trying to upgrade an existing connection from one version to another. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think an issue for this would be a good idea.

I'm not sure that I understand what constraints on the two versions are = required in order to allow this approach to work. Consider the case where o= nly two versions are supported, A and B. The client sends an INITIAL packet= containing the ClientHello (or the like) encoded with A, but indicates tha= t it also supports B. The server and client both prefer B, so the server de= cide to upgrade to B. Are we guaranteed that everything needed for B will b= e in the A ClientHello? Could the TLS handshake mapping change between A an= d B is some way that would cause problems here? What about 0-RTT data? What= if between A and B we changed the stream mapping / numbering? The client w= ould have created (and sent) streams allocated with the logic of A but whic= h would be incorrect for B? It seems really hard to guarantee that there ar= e no such changes between A and B.

I think there are simpler solutions to the problem this PR intends to so= lve:

  1. Advertise supported versions. For the HTTP/QUIC use case, Alt-Svc alrea= dy gives us a mechanism to advertise QUIC versions so we're not in a positi= on where the client doesn't know the server's versions.
  2. Use two connections. Start a connection with versions A and send 0-RTT = streams. When the client learns that the server supports a preferred versio= n, it should start a new connection using version B, but not send new reque= sts on this connection until/unless the handshake completes. Once that happ= ens, the client should send new requests on B and close A once it become id= le. This avoids waiting an RTT to learn about the new version and avoids th= e complexity of trying to upgrade an existing connection from one version t= o another.

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  • Allow servers to omit version negotiation in response to 0-RTT packets.

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This looks great to me, maybe you can elaborate on the problem this is solving in the description of the PR

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----==_mimepart_5ba004cb8c7ab_42a3f7f83ad45c034788-- From nobody Mon Sep 17 12:48:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 104CF130EB5 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:48:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4A6AOZ-eXaKw for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20E58130E8B for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:48:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 12:48:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537213701; bh=ukehlExeIUKLuchRF5l3ShvTMESEWkMxW9l0xKhsW+M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Edpsj11yacdmFNVmB79I4/i3m0ZdqE8VlldXtob8TCHVOp8dnE4qvBMSKPB4xiq+N 3cIdtdyx8MgYHv6HJDS19CqLPpv3ak5JnaloA5ZCnFWsL2nDYVehaLa/SjvW4Gt6Ly CaoiKdJSYfaI0XkRbe3PCVrTlYCsU6Dk1tHlmAUA= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: Updated Static Table (#1355) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba00504e8b17_41753fa68d0d45bc460a9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 19:48:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba00504e8b17_41753fa68d0d45bc460a9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > +| 26 | accept | */* | +| 27 | accept | application/dns-message | +| 28 | accept-encoding | gzip, deflate, br | +| 29 | accept-language | | +| 30 | authorization | | +| 31 | cache-control | max-age=0 | +| 32 | cache-control | max-age=604800 | +| 33 | cache-control | max-age=2592000 | +| 34 | cache-control | no-cache | +| 35 | cache-control | no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate | +| 36 | cache-control | public, max-age=31536000 | +| 37 | content-encoding | br | +| 38 | content-type | application/dns-message | +| 39 | content-type | application/javascript | +| 40 | content-type | application/json | +| 41 | content-type | application/json; charset=utf-8 | Per discussion, we'll drop charsets from everything except text/html and perhaps text/plain. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1355#discussion_r218202894 ----==_mimepart_5ba00504e8b17_41753fa68d0d45bc460a9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 26    | accept                           | */*                                                   |
+| 27    | accept                           | application/dns-message                               |
+| 28    | accept-encoding                  | gzip, deflate, br                                     |
+| 29    | accept-language                  |                                                       |
+| 30    | authorization                    |                                                       |
+| 31    | cache-control                    | max-age=0                                             |
+| 32    | cache-control                    | max-age=604800                                        |
+| 33    | cache-control                    | max-age=2592000                                       |
+| 34    | cache-control                    | no-cache                                              |
+| 35    | cache-control                    | no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate                   |
+| 36    | cache-control                    | public, max-age=31536000                              |
+| 37    | content-encoding                 | br                                                    |
+| 38    | content-type                     | application/dns-message                               |
+| 39    | content-type                     | application/javascript                                |
+| 40    | content-type                     | application/json                                      |
+| 41    | content-type                     | application/json; charset=utf-8                       |

Per discussion, we'll drop charsets from everything except text/html and perhaps text/plain.

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 35    | cache-control                    | no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate                   |
+| 36    | cache-control                    | public, max-age=31536000                              |
+| 37    | content-encoding                 | br                                                    |
+| 38    | content-type                     | application/dns-message                               |
+| 39    | content-type                     | application/javascript                                |
+| 40    | content-type                     | application/json                                      |
+| 41    | content-type                     | application/json; charset=utf-8                       |
+| 42    | content-type                     | application/x-www-form-urlencoded                     |
+| 43    | content-type                     | application/x-www-form-urlencoded; charset=utf-8      |
+| 44    | content-type                     | image/gif                                             |
+| 45    | content-type                     | image/jpeg                                            |
+| 46    | content-type                     | image/png                                             |
+| 47    | content-type                     | text/css                                              |
+| 48    | content-type                     | text/html; charset=utf-8                              |
+| 49    | content-type                     | text/javascript                                       |
+| 50    | content-type                     | text/javascript; charset=utf-8                        |

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dispatch-javascript-mjs/ deprecates this, so remove both text/javascript options.

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@kazuho: I would think the client wou= ld be allowed to resume but the server would have to reject resumption/0-= RTT if it changed version

Thank you for the clarification. Makes sense to me.

I like the idea behind the PR; to open the possibility of future versi= ons of QUIC accepting v1 Initial packets without spending extra round-tri= p. Current approach does not allow that, and that will hinder us from in= troducing v2.

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Fixes #1756

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As noted, the main problem here is stream fragmentation, not packet fragmentation.

I don't think we want this change.

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I'm not sure that I understand what constraints on the two versions are = required in order to allow this approach to work.

FWIW, my assumption is that the only constraint would be that the TLS pr= otocol version needs to be compatible.

Consider the case where you want to send a QUICv1 Initial packet that ca= n be upgraded to v3. From the Initial packet, the v3 server needs to extrac= t the initial flight of the TLS handshake (i.e. ClientHello) and the elemen= ts that would have existed in the v3's Initial packet. It is obvious that t= he TLS handshake transcript can be extracted. The other elements can be tra= nsmitted as a TLS ClientHello extension.

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Gotta say, I don't understand this change. What does "explicit knowledge of another QUIC version" have to do with this?

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A server sends a Version Negotiation packet in -response to each packet that might initiate a new connection, see -{{packet-handling}} for details. +that is mutually supported. The client's Initial packet contains two version +indications: + +* A packet version which indicates which version it has been encoded + with. This SHOULD be a version which the client expects most servers + to support (most likely the oldest common version). + +* A list of versions which the client supports in the + "supported_versions" transport parameter). trailing paren > @@ -1338,9 +1338,29 @@ Servers MUST drop incoming packets under all other circumstances. ## Version Negotiation Version negotiation ensures that client and server agree to a QUIC version -that is mutually supported. A server sends a Version Negotiation packet in -response to each packet that might initiate a new connection, see -{{packet-handling}} for details. +that is mutually supported. The client's Initial packet contains two version +indications: + +* A packet version which indicates which version it has been encoded + with. This SHOULD be a version which the client expects most servers + to support (most likely the oldest common version). I'd drop the parenthetical here. > -response to each packet that might initiate a new connection, see -{{packet-handling}} for details. +that is mutually supported. The client's Initial packet contains two version +indications: + +* A packet version which indicates which version it has been encoded + with. This SHOULD be a version which the client expects most servers + to support (most likely the oldest common version). + +* A list of versions which the client supports in the + "supported_versions" transport parameter). + +If the server understands the packet version -- even if it is not its +most preferred version -- then it deprotects the packet and selects +the most preferred version out of the client's supported versions +list, and responds with that version. This allows a client and server Aside from sentence construction here, which needs work, I don't understand how you believe this should work. If you believe that a server can continue a connection, how can it continue from an Initial taken from a different version? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1338,9 +1338,29 @@ Servers MUST drop incoming packets under all other circumstances.
 ## Version Negotiation
 
 Version negotiation ensures that client and server agree to a QUIC version
-that is mutually supported. A server sends a Version Negotiation packet in
-response to each packet that might initiate a new connection, see
-{{packet-handling}} for details.
+that is mutually supported. The client's Initial packet contains two version
+indications:
+
+* A packet version which indicates which version it has been encoded
+  with. This SHOULD be a version which the client expects most servers
+  to support (most likely the oldest common version).
+  
+* A list of versions which the client supports in the
+  "supported_versions" transport parameter).

trailing paren

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1338,9 +1338,29 @@ Servers MUST drop incoming packets under all other circumstances.
 ## Version Negotiation
 
 Version negotiation ensures that client and server agree to a QUIC version
-that is mutually supported. A server sends a Version Negotiation packet in
-response to each packet that might initiate a new connection, see
-{{packet-handling}} for details.
+that is mutually supported. The client's Initial packet contains two version
+indications:
+
+* A packet version which indicates which version it has been encoded
+  with. This SHOULD be a version which the client expects most servers
+  to support (most likely the oldest common version).

I'd drop the parenthetical here.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -response to each packet that might initiate a new connection, see
-{{packet-handling}} for details.
+that is mutually supported. The client's Initial packet contains two version
+indications:
+
+* A packet version which indicates which version it has been encoded
+  with. This SHOULD be a version which the client expects most servers
+  to support (most likely the oldest common version).
+  
+* A list of versions which the client supports in the
+  "supported_versions" transport parameter).
+
+If the server understands the packet version -- even if it is not its
+most preferred version -- then it deprotects the packet and selects
+the most preferred version out of the client's supported versions
+list, and responds with that version. This allows a client and server

Aside from sentence construction here, which needs work, I don't understand how you believe this should work. If you believe that a server can continue a connection, how can it continue from an Initial taken from a different version?

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Fixes #1727

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Fixes: #1747

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Fixes #1736

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Fixes #1644

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----==_mimepart_5ba085cbef536_21023fc1f2ad45b41346b0-- From nobody Mon Sep 17 21:59:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22388130E43 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:59:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtqdiAXurawn for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6D66512008A for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 21:59:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537246795; bh=W4xwGN67FUXkDAYaBTjG52S5yl5JD6dfXz1pebYeG3g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Xptf0HCOZrl9C/N2zh501pvSK/LxguLGq7VG49GR80axSrOODZg+gzIu+1VsaXfoR 7LAECp5fovoY8VnFg7sh1VYtHCkUG4Qep0rowAXeqMkfA6zw5sf/XDk+gyg1HQ9pCx /IqgEALPGvzy9+JQfXlKUCTOgx7180rRUXD3mnoY= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: don't send stream cancellation when SETTINGS_HEADER_TABLE_SIZE=0 (#1761) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba0864b26d90_61e53fe2ba6d45c0235028"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 04:59:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba0864b26d90_61e53fe2ba6d45c0235028 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could you be more precise than "does not"? Is it valid but unnecessary when size is 0? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1761#issuecomment-422255623 ----==_mimepart_5ba0864b26d90_61e53fe2ba6d45c0235028 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Could you be more precise than "does not"? Is it valid but unnecessary when size is 0?

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We also have an issue on this for the ops-drafts (29).

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Would it make sense to describe the table as a "ring buffer" rather th= an a FIFO buffer with index calculation using modulo?

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Can the modulo be computed effectively on low-end devices?

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@kazuho #1657 addresses the same issue using the approach you suggest, eg: describing the dynamic table as a ring buffer rather than FIFO. This PR is meant to contrast that, and we'll discuss them both at the interim.

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@afrind Oh. I missed the context. Thank you for clarifying that.

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That was a bit vague. The idea is to allow an implementation that doe= sn't implement the dynamic table to not even bother with the QPACK contro= l streams. I guess SHOULD NOT is OK - I don't think there is harm in send= ing them. An encoder needs to be ready to handle Stream Cancellations si= nce it doesn't know what the decoder's max will be.

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@kazuho I'm asking because I'm not into the details, and it could be that the peer decided a non-power of two, but perhaps you only need to do it on you own tables.

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The appearance of randomness is not the requirement we are looking for= here. The point is that it should not be possible to correlate or predi= ct connection IDs for the same connection using information available to = entities other than the one that generates the connection ID.

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How about correlation between different connections?

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For example, the size of the ring buffer will be 256 if the header tab= le size is 4,096.

You don't need an array that large, as you can only have 4096 / 32 =3D= 128 entries. One can do with 128-element ring buffer.

it could be that the peer decided a non-power of two

That is true. Nevertheless, I think that we do not need to accommodat= e systems that cannot perform modulo division.

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I'll go through this tomorrow, but the short answer is that we need to balance this with the need to multiplex with RTP. (The final equation we settled on was t & 0xa0 != 0x80, the c was an error.)

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http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/AppNotes/doc0936.pdf

That is about 250 cycles per 16 bit division.

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Why SHOULD NOT? Why would I choose one over the other?

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Since one cannot really have a table full of 0 byte entries, you practically don't need even a MaxEntries/32 size ring buffer. It's a nice memory optimization to allocate say only half that many entries, and resize it when needed.

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You don't need an array that large, as you can only have 4096 / 32 =3D= 128 entries. One can do with 128-element ring buffer.

Implementation-wise that's correct. OTOH, let me note that the table s= ize needs to be 4096 / 16 =3D 256 entries spec-wise so that we do not hav= e ambiguity in if the Largest Reference refers to an entry yet to be deli= vered.

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Since one cannot really have a table full of 0 byte entries, you pract= ically don't need even a MaxEntries/32 size ring buffer. It's a nice memo= ry optimization to allocate say only half that many entries, and resize i= t when needed.

That is true. The overhead is 25% compared to the size of the header t= able on 64-bit architectures assuming that the ring buffer is implemented= as an array of pointers. I am not sure if that is a deal blocker, but it= is certainly an overhead.

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Section 4.7 of the handshake draft states:

Servers MUST NOT send more than three datagrams including Initial and
Handshake packets without receiving a packet from a verified source
address. Source addresses can be verified through an address
validation token (delivered via a Retry packet or a NEW_TOKEN frame)
or by receiving any message from the client encrypted using the
Handshake keys.

As written, there are two scenarios where no one can transmit. If the client successfully sends the initial ACK to the server, and either the server's handshake flight or the client's handshake acks are lost, then (1) the client has nothing to do, and (2) the server does not have the flow control credit to retransmit the lost packets.

It would be nice to minimize the resource and amplification implications for the server. Ekr proposed the following conditions that apply when the path has not been verified:

  1. The client initial must be padded to 1200 bytes, as today.
  2. The client must retransmit its initial until it has a Handshake Crypto frame to send (i.e. it has received the entire server's first flight.)
  3. Until the server gets an hs pkt (the path has been verified), it only retransmits in response to the Client Initial; this response is all server packets that have not been acked. With no retransmissions, the server will need to have some kind of timer to clean up the state if the connection is dead.

There are many other ways to solve this problem; this is an example.

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Idle timeout is currently the last required transport parameter. This makes the parameter optional, defaulting to 0 or disabled if not present. It also removes the 10 minute maximum value. For other non-http protocols over QUIC, a 10 minute max doesn't really make sense.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1765

Commit Summary

  • Make Idle Timeout Optional

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1004,6 +1002,119 @@ Description:
 
 --- back
 
+# Static Table
+
+| Index | Name                             | Value                                                 |
+| ----- | -------------------------------- | ----------------------------------------------------- |
+| 0     | :authority                       |                                                       |
+| 1     | :path                            | /                                                     |
+| 2     | age                              | 0                                                     |

Seems pretty low-value; will never appear in a request, and it's just three letters.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 12    | location                         |                                                       |
+| 13    | referer                          |                                                       |
+| 14    | set-cookie                       |                                                       |
+| 15    | :method                          | CONNECT                                               |
+| 16    | :method                          | DELETE                                                |
+| 17    | :method                          | GET                                                   |
+| 18    | :method                          | HEAD                                                  |
+| 19    | :method                          | OPTIONS                                               |
+| 20    | :method                          | POST                                                  |
+| 21    | :method                          | PUT                                                   |
+| 22    | :scheme                          | http                                                  |
+| 23    | :scheme                          | https                                                 |
+| 24    | :status                          | 200                                                   |
+| 25    | :status                          | 304                                                   |
+| 26    | accept                           | */*                                                   |
+| 27    | accept                           | application/dns-message                               |

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 20    | :method                          | POST                                                  |
+| 21    | :method                          | PUT                                                   |
+| 22    | :scheme                          | http                                                  |
+| 23    | :scheme                          | https                                                 |
+| 24    | :status                          | 200                                                   |
+| 25    | :status                          | 304                                                   |
+| 26    | accept                           | */*                                                   |
+| 27    | accept                           | application/dns-message                               |
+| 28    | accept-encoding                  | gzip, deflate, br                                     |
+| 29    | accept-language                  |                                                       |
+| 30    | authorization                    |                                                       |
+| 31    | cache-control                    | max-age=0                                             |
+| 32    | cache-control                    | max-age=604800                                        |
+| 33    | cache-control                    | max-age=2592000                                       |
+| 34    | cache-control                    | no-cache                                              |
+| 35    | cache-control                    | no-cache, no-store, must-revalidate                   |

this has equivalent semantics to 'no-store'. I know some variation on this is common practice, but it's bad practice, and I doubt that there's enough convergence on this particular spelling to make the codification of that bad practice worthwhile. Just do no-store.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 46    | content-type                     | image/png                                             |
+| 47    | content-type                     | text/css                                              |
+| 48    | content-type                     | text/html; charset=utf-8                              |
+| 49    | content-type                     | text/javascript                                       |
+| 50    | content-type                     | text/javascript; charset=utf-8                        |
+| 51    | content-type                     | text/plain                                            |
+| 52    | content-type                     | text/plain;charset=utf-8                              |
+| 53    | range                            | bytes=0-                                              |
+| 54    | server                           |                                                       |
+| 55    | strict-transport-security        | max-age=10886400; includesubdomains; preload          |
+| 56    | strict-transport-security        | max-age=31536000                                      |
+| 57    | strict-transport-security        | max-age=31536000; includesubdomains                   |
+| 58    | strict-transport-security        | max-age=31536000; includesubdomains; preload          |
+| 59    | user-agent                       |                                                       |
+| 60    | vary                             | accept-encoding                                       |
+| 61    | vary                             | accept-encoding, user-agent                           |

This is actively bad practice; it should not be encouraged.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 59    | user-agent                       |                                                       |
+| 60    | vary                             | accept-encoding                                       |
+| 61    | vary                             | accept-encoding, user-agent                           |
+| 62    | vary                             | origin                                                |
+| 63    | :status                          | 100                                                   |
+| 64    | :status                          | 103                                                   |
+| 65    | :status                          | 204                                                   |
+| 66    | :status                          | 206                                                   |
+| 67    | :status                          | 302                                                   |
+| 68    | :status                          | 400                                                   |
+| 69    | :status                          | 403                                                   |
+| 70    | :status                          | 404                                                   |
+| 71    | :status                          | 421                                                   |
+| 72    | :status                          | 425                                                   |
+| 73    | :status                          | 500                                                   |
+| 74    | :status                          | 503                                                   |

Are putting three-character status codes in the static table really necessary?

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 70    | :status                          | 404                                                   |
+| 71    | :status                          | 421                                                   |
+| 72    | :status                          | 425                                                   |
+| 73    | :status                          | 500                                                   |
+| 74    | :status                          | 503                                                   |
+| 75    | accept-ranges                    | bytes                                                 |
+| 76    | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                 |
+| 77    | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                  |
+| 78    | access-control-allow-headers     | *                                                     |
+| 79    | access-control-allow-headers     | cache-control                                         |
+| 80    | access-control-allow-headers     | content-type                                          |
+| 81    | access-control-allow-headers     | x-requested-with                                      |
+| 82    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                   |
+| 83    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                    |
+| 84    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                               |
+| 85    | access-control-allow-origin      | *                                                     |

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 84    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                               |
+| 85    | access-control-allow-origin      | *                                                     |
+| 86    | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                        |
+| 87    | access-control-request-headers   | content-type                                          |
+| 88    | access-control-request-headers   | x-requested-with                                      |
+| 89    | access-control-request-method    | get                                                   |
+| 90    | access-control-request-method    | post                                                  |
+| 91    | alt-svc                          | clear                                                 |
+| 92    | content-encoding                 | gzip                                                  |
+| 93    | content-security-policy          | script-src 'none'; object-src 'none'; base-uri 'none' |
+| 94    | early-data                       | 1                                                     |
+| 95    | expect-ct                        |                                                       |
+| 96    | forwarded                        |                                                       |
+| 97    | if-range                         |                                                       |
+| 98    | origin                           |                                                       |
+| 99    | purpose                          | prefetch                                              |

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 73    | :status                          | 500                                                   |
+| 74    | :status                          | 503                                                   |
+| 75    | accept-ranges                    | bytes                                                 |
+| 76    | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                 |
+| 77    | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                  |
+| 78    | access-control-allow-headers     | *                                                     |
+| 79    | access-control-allow-headers     | cache-control                                         |
+| 80    | access-control-allow-headers     | content-type                                          |
+| 81    | access-control-allow-headers     | x-requested-with                                      |
+| 82    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                   |
+| 83    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                    |
+| 84    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                               |
+| 85    | access-control-allow-origin      | *                                                     |
+| 86    | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                        |
+| 87    | access-control-request-headers   | content-type                                          |
+| 88    | access-control-request-headers   | x-requested-with                                      |

People using this header usually don't understand what they're getting; e.g., they use it for access control.

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----==_mimepart_5ba1252f4e1b4_2ee83fea514d45c48544d8-- From nobody Tue Sep 18 09:33:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22AA3130F2D for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:32:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wx12o29xb6oR for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70FD130E70 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:32:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 09:32:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537288365; bh=3k5HdU1ZEpitEtAfyzYP1N7ArS7hWg3KSoaEg9HABKw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q9nvSs1axpB4+KVaFNmk1sHBlC8xP69ypamw6xtWjgANCw3B9aE4MrjO3UlUSCvrK AizwOIueTglT1txhif1Ey990gzmXipBz2JRw7YYN+ax6AUncPP4OfRmz8XMc9camkP tw9DMxrPfTyeLX3oKY6gY0GTEOR0gF9odIGnGOgU= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify whether QUIC packets with no payload are acceptable (#1745) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba128acf3544_3e313fa4c32d45b89796b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 16:32:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba128acf3544_3e313fa4c32d45b89796b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit An empty long-header packet would be a natural choice for coalescing with a non-empty short-header packet. Would we want to therefore call it a valid packet? Or still call it invalid and let the language of "4.9. Coalescing Packets" take care of this case: > If one or more packets in > a datagram cannot be processed yet [..] or processing fails (decryption failure, unknown type, > etc.), the receiver MUST still attempt to process the remaining > packets. The skipped packets MAY either be discarded or buffered for > later processing [..]. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1745#issuecomment-422460785 ----==_mimepart_5ba128acf3544_3e313fa4c32d45b89796b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An empty long-header packet would be a natural choice for coalescing w= ith a non-empty short-header packet. Would we want to therefore call it = a valid packet? Or still call it invalid and let the language of "4.9. C= oalescing Packets" take care of this case:

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1637,6 +1629,14 @@ initial_max_bidi_streams (0x0002):
   MAX_STREAM_ID containing 16 when received by a client or 17 when received by a
   server.
 
+idle_timeout (0x0003):
+
+: The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit
+  integer.  There is no maximum value besides the maximum encodable value of
+  0xFFFF (about 18 hours).  If this parameter is abset or zero then the idle

"abset" -> "absent"

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +| 73    | :status                          | 500                                                   |
+| 74    | :status                          | 503                                                   |
+| 75    | accept-ranges                    | bytes                                                 |
+| 76    | access-control-allow-credentials | FALSE                                                 |
+| 77    | access-control-allow-credentials | TRUE                                                  |
+| 78    | access-control-allow-headers     | *                                                     |
+| 79    | access-control-allow-headers     | cache-control                                         |
+| 80    | access-control-allow-headers     | content-type                                          |
+| 81    | access-control-allow-headers     | x-requested-with                                      |
+| 82    | access-control-allow-methods     | get                                                   |
+| 83    | access-control-allow-methods     | get, post, options                                    |
+| 84    | access-control-allow-methods     | options                                               |
+| 85    | access-control-allow-origin      | *                                                     |
+| 86    | access-control-expose-headers    | content-length                                        |
+| 87    | access-control-request-headers   | content-type                                          |
+| 88    | access-control-request-headers   | x-requested-with                                      |

I don't remember what it means 5 minutes after I read about it due to lack of hint of intuition, but CORS is used a lot, especially in CDN, so it makes a lot of sense to have, if it it means what I think it means.

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----==_mimepart_5ba12b8ab7e73_3db93fd2b1cd45c41736dc-- From nobody Tue Sep 18 10:21:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB2C130E63 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IDOhDf4VeO1t for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04DC112F1AC for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 10:21:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537291310; bh=oaOZYS+b2nn/5w781DIN88VxaGHqDx7771yYFfdW4iw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=isZ4BtX9/GvorW9VMBazre/qTd8NwWMvHbKCCIpIQtNoKiBIWnFOtazJQwPW01snJ I1ULdLmbMkHdn3SA+WdXyaUNSTkT0ZyXSLQeNqIZQBn/ex/4lZze9d69r42Int0PL/ ytvNmn9QXbtjG+RM43FVuQzywlX1ZQFOUS7A+5Fo= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Optional Idle Timeout (#1765) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba1342e93623_7b643fbe1bad45bc323942"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 17:21:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba1342e93623_7b643fbe1bad45bc323942 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho: I suggested that in #1608. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1765#issuecomment-422477311 ----==_mimepart_5ba1342e93623_7b643fbe1bad45bc323942 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho: I suggested that in #1608.

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Personally, I'd prefer not to use variable length integers here, but e= ither way, I think we should leave that discussion to #1608 and not make that change = as part of this PR. If you want an explicit idle timeout larger than 18 h= ours, then we should make this a 4-byte value instead of 2.

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The sections on Initial and Handshake packets list some packet types that are allowed. These statements should be strengthened to use MUST and MAY, and should specify behavior if we receive disallowed packets.

The informal consensus in NYC was that CONNECTION_CLOSE frames should be allowed in Initial Packets, so the text should be extended.

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when you use should not, it means that you have reasons for recommendi= ng the behaviour, and occasional reasons for not following that recommend= ation. It also means that you need to explain that choice.

it would be easier to use MUST NOT, but that creates problems for the = encoder, as I described (poorly, I see now)

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Unlike HPACK (quoted below), QPACK does not require an encoder to emit Dynamic Table Size Update as its first instruction.

This dynamic table size update MUST occur at the beginning of the first header block following the change to the dynamic table size. In HTTP/2, this follows a settings acknowledgment (see Section 6.5.3 of [HTTP2]).
RFC 7541; section 4.2

This means that the peers might disagree on the table size, unless we require the encoder to set the table size to the value advertised by the peers SETTINGS frame. But I wouldn't assume that we would want to require that; for example some encoders might want to stick to 4KB even when the peer's SETTINGS frame says the table can be as large as 1MB.

Considering these aspects, I think that we should require the QPACK encoder to send Dynamic Table Size Update as its first instruction, at least when the SETTING frame advertises a non-default value.

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I really like that we no longer have any mandatory transport parameters. > @@ -1666,6 +1654,18 @@ ack_delay_exponent (0x0007): value is also used for ACK frames that are sent in Initial and Handshake packets. Values above 20 are invalid. +initial_max_uni_streams (0x0008): Please don't move this. The numbers are all out of order, but I do hope to fix that eventually. > @@ -2531,9 +2531,9 @@ source address. ### Idle Timeout -A connection that remains idle for longer than the advertised idle timeout (see -{{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is closed. A connection enters the -draining state when the idle timeout expires. +If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection that remains idle for longer than This change isn't needed. There is always an idle timeout, it's just that it is sometimes infinite. > -: The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial - maximum number of unidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an - unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent or zero, unidirectional - streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Setting this - parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) - immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream - ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a - MAX_STREAM_ID containing 18 when received by a client or 19 when received by a - server. +: The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit + integer. There is no maximum value besides the maximum encodable value of + 0xFFFF (about 18 hours). If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle I wouldn't bother with the maximum sentence thing. > -: The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial - maximum number of unidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an - unsigned 16-bit integer. If this parameter is absent or zero, unidirectional - streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent. Setting this - parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}}) - immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream - ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a - MAX_STREAM_ID containing 18 when received by a client or 19 when received by a - server. +: The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit + integer. There is no maximum value besides the maximum encodable value of + 0xFFFF (about 18 hours). If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle + timeout is disabled. In this case, the transport never closes the connection + in response to being idle. drop this last sentence too -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I really like that we no longer have any mandatory transport parameters.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1666,6 +1654,18 @@ ack_delay_exponent (0x0007):
   value is also used for ACK frames that are sent in Initial and Handshake
   packets.  Values above 20 are invalid.
 
+initial_max_uni_streams (0x0008):

Please don't move this. The numbers are all out of order, but I do hope to fix that eventually.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2531,9 +2531,9 @@ source address.
 
 ### Idle Timeout
 
-A connection that remains idle for longer than the advertised idle timeout (see
-{{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is closed.  A connection enters the
-draining state when the idle timeout expires.
+If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection that remains idle for longer than

This change isn't needed. There is always an idle timeout, it's just that it is sometimes infinite.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
-  maximum number of unidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an
-  unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent or zero, unidirectional
-  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Setting this
-  parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}})
-  immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream
-  ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID containing 18 when received by a client or 19 when received by a
-  server.
+: The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit
+  integer.  There is no maximum value besides the maximum encodable value of
+  0xFFFF (about 18 hours).  If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle

I wouldn't bother with the maximum sentence thing.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: The initial maximum unidirectional streams parameter contains the initial
-  maximum number of unidirectional streams the peer may initiate, encoded as an
-  unsigned 16-bit integer.  If this parameter is absent or zero, unidirectional
-  streams cannot be created until a MAX_STREAM_ID frame is sent.  Setting this
-  parameter is equivalent to sending a MAX_STREAM_ID ({{frame-max-stream-id}})
-  immediately after completing the handshake containing the corresponding Stream
-  ID. For example, a value of 0x05 would be equivalent to receiving a
-  MAX_STREAM_ID containing 18 when received by a client or 19 when received by a
-  server.
+: The idle timeout is a value in seconds that is encoded as an unsigned 16-bit
+  integer.  There is no maximum value besides the maximum encodable value of
+  0xFFFF (about 18 hours).  If this parameter is absent or zero then the idle
+  timeout is disabled.  In this case, the transport never closes the connection
+  in response to being idle.

drop this last sentence too

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -2531,9 +2531,9 @@ source address.
 
 ### Idle Timeout
 
-A connection that remains idle for longer than the advertised idle timeout (see
-{{transport-parameter-definitions}}) is closed.  A connection enters the
-draining state when the idle timeout expires.
+If the idle timeout is enabled, a connection that remains idle for longer than

We didn't quite state it that way above. It says the idle timeout is disabled, not infinite.

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----==_mimepart_5ba16268dd08b_443e3f9d9f0d45b8419496-- From nobody Tue Sep 18 13:40:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3CC130E47 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:40:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YHQX_zgltLan for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 946E2129AB8 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:40:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537303226; bh=C18SOaxJeeyKu63t9w30j9VQO/U/ma9HlVEvRbPDGzM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=trVQiIejUO6+qKaDziocgFmEQfB9+YDWElJ1pnTPDbr1WyIAzPT40YE5W/w55RPF1 xdth3ia72wIiDgNX33TzVIg1bxMi/AEFqnmLOpOzsDDhiN3q0KKq2ZOvenWYpX8pkX 6iUfZPqKp8Zk8P+JiMq9Myd5Dt0JnydWtji1e+0I= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/wg-materials To: quicwg/wg-materials Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/wg-materials] CID slides (#67) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba162ba8ef3f_507a3fa30fad45c06106eb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:40:29 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba162ba8ef3f_507a3fa30fad45c06106eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/67 -- Commit Summary -- * CID slides -- File Changes -- A interim-18-09/CIDdt.pdf (0) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/67.patch https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/67.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/pull/67 ----==_mimepart_5ba162ba8ef3f_507a3fa30fad45c06106eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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----==_mimepart_5ba162ba8ef3f_507a3fa30fad45c06106eb-- From nobody Tue Sep 18 13:41:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4492D130E47 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6OTfv5U2Nuku for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF50A129AB8 for ; Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:41:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 13:41:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537303261; bh=3I+bwst9DdxX37jRHjPntBUb6WYni9yCLWEQH+8Ybvo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=W/g269pqpa0FaZihj7T60bh8byTO86x3RwtbxGiIztikC2yNJOYUEKWoDNS+OFgcq psndgzctdGKZipAeHRziH+4UOHsJdUvEy3z+ws2q69po4dOAZGJ4CCmi/mEs8beRr3 1+e70S9NLidcAHPX8DnlaQTj0EgBGerxXpJ3yFZA= From: Dmitri Tikhonov Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK: make TSS=0 a connection error (#1762) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba162ddde1e1_9e83fa1586d45b46659e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: dtikhonov X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2018 20:41:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba162ddde1e1_9e83fa1586d45b46659e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit dtikhonov requested changes on this pull request. > @@ -587,9 +587,10 @@ entries might cause a stream to become blocked, as described in ~~~~~~~~~~ {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"} -An encoder that receives an Insert Count that is greater than the number of -dynamic table entries beyond the current Largest Known Received entry MUST treat -this as a connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`. +An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero, or that is greater than I don't like the "that" in "or that:" does it refer to the insert count or to the encoder? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1762#pullrequestreview-156559201 ----==_mimepart_5ba162ddde1e1_9e83fa1586d45b46659e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@dtikhonov requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -587,9 +587,10 @@ entries might cause a stream to become blocked, as described in
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}
 
-An encoder that receives an Insert Count that is greater than the number of
-dynamic table entries beyond the current Largest Known Received entry MUST treat
-this as a connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`.
+An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero, or that is greater than

I don't like the "that" in "or that:" does it refer to the insert count or to the encoder?

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Talked to some folks in person in NYC, and the recommendation is that the decoder MAY omit stream cancellations when its max dynamic table size is 0: eg encoders need to handle it either way.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -587,9 +587,10 @@ entries might cause a stream to become blocked, as described in
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}
 
-An encoder that receives an Insert Count that is greater than the number of
-dynamic table entries beyond the current Largest Known Received entry MUST treat
-this as a connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`.
+An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero, or that is greater than

Perhaps something along the lines of:

The Insert Count value cannot be zero and it cannot be greater than the current Largest Known Received value. An encoder that receives an invalid Insert Count value MUST treat it...

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"Data are retransmitted -> Data is retransmitted" which is consistent with the next line where "Application data is retransmitted" is used.

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  • Fix spelling inconsistency

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Closes #1766.

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In hq, endpoints can't send requests until they have received SETTINGS. There is no uncertainty if you wait for that.

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I think this is fine, but a few of us had a conversation related to APPLICATION_CLOSE before you have actually negotiated the ALPN. How can you interpret the error code in the APPLICATION_CLOSE frame before that?

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Oh, that's a good point. I think that makes the use of APPLICATION_CLOSE in Initial hard (Handshake is OK). I'll adjust.

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Commit: c3975c0bd30cdc647d4322c12f5f8e57a638c41e https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3975c0bd30cdc647d4322c12f5f8e57a638c41e Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-19 (Wed, 19 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- APPLICATION_CLOSE in Initial doesn't work ... because neither peer knows what the application is at that point. Commit: 405c1f442036fbce6ec56c254d266ee3660fdf62 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/405c1f442036fbce6ec56c254d266ee3660fdf62 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-20 (Thu, 20 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1769 from quicwg/issue1766 Permit closing frames in all packets Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d6525065057b...405c1f442036 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5ba260f57f3d_16742adfd671eedc1038a-- From nobody Wed Sep 19 07:45:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A59913104F for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.798 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.146, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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I don't think this completely addresses #1766. There should probably be some MUST= s or MUST NOTs. Furthermore, we should explain what to do with invalid fr= ames in packets. I imagine we should drop silently in the case of Initial= and throw PROTOCOL_VIOLATION in the other contexts.

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For #1766.

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"is permitted to initiated" -> "is permitted to initiate"

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Not entirely sure about this one but I think it should be "the flow control window"

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -324,8 +324,8 @@ encryption levels
 
 - CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level.
 
-- CONNECTION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption level other than
-  0-RTT.
+- CONNECTION_CLOSE and APPLICATION_CLOSE MAY appear in packets of any encryption
+  level other than 0-RTT.

... and INITIAL (for APPLICATION_CLOSE).

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In QUIC, version upgrade doesn't work w/o aditional RTs.

Consider the case where the client and server start out supporting version N. Then the client starts supporting N+1. If it offers N+1, then it's going to basically take an extra RT with every server, so it has to offer N, but then when the server upgrades to N+1, you have to take a RT to get to N+1. See #1755 for one such design

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Discussed in NYC; agreement to close with no action.

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I'm not strongly opposed to this as an optimization, but it doesn't feel= necessary for QUICv1. You remove a lot of text, but it's adding a second = layer of version negotiation -- I would expect that it needs more text, and= I'm not convinced the text you removed is obsoleted by adding a second way= to negotiate.

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Discussed in NYC; substantial resistance to this change. Closing with no action.

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I prefer the current approach.

IIUC, the proposal is to have a conditional branch that tests if the sum= of PN length and payload is below 20 octets, then create a zero-padded cop= y for sampling.

I do not think that is simpler than the current approach that uses a con= ditional branch to determine the sampling offset.

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Discussed in NYC; WG members had concerns about the viability of this, and there was little interest in pursuing it.

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----==_mimepart_5ba288668124f_359d3f97ca8d45b813737e-- From nobody Wed Sep 19 10:39:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9AB130DF5 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZMgjHycZ_tzZ for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 928DA127333 for ; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:39:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 10:39:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537378772; bh=EUxwJrTrY/l2+/5+xvs+eM/mRQXIoMtLYQ1CjidnZ8k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RNb00Ut7NLZatSHke6tBkLJIBndaX7pm35a1xyRtQxCNhuhItJ9QLcD+fBxFnITGg dU8Z4JWNLT/ApviL7+TMckSeKaD98yTCcAUk0WdajW00CKRh2V0FmjmSv4LmSVqNbt B8P9wugXsErz/aQ2yQUKQ+vg8xIZLHyuPmNcK+6s= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0-RTT DCID Routing (#1513) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba289d4b1fb5_1bb23fc22aad45b81980c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 17:39:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba289d4b1fb5_1bb23fc22aad45b81980c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes that would make sense - it could even be a relatively slow distributed token lookup to land at the right place, then get a fresh DCID that matches live infrastructure. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1513#issuecomment-422893684 ----==_mimepart_5ba289d4b1fb5_1bb23fc22aad45b81980c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Yes that would make sense - it could even be a relatively slow distributed token lookup to land at the right place, then get a fresh DCID that matches live infrastructure.

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Issue for what I described to @ianswett at dinner yesterday.

When OnRetransmissionTimeoutVerified is called from OnPacketAcked for the highest ACK in a block, all earlier packets are marked as lost, even if they are contained in that same block. That seems suboptimal.

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Yeah, this is not intended behavior, so I'll clarify that both the text and pseudocode.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -587,9 +587,10 @@ entries might cause a stream to become blocked, as described in
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}
 
-An encoder that receives an Insert Count that is greater than the number of
-dynamic table entries beyond the current Largest Known Received entry MUST treat
-this as a connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`.
+An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero, or that is greater than

The constraint is tighter than < Largest Known Received, the text here captures it. LKR + IC must be < Base Index

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -587,9 +587,10 @@ entries might cause a stream to become blocked, as described in
 ~~~~~~~~~~
 {:#fig-size-sync title="Table State Synchronize"}
 
-An encoder that receives an Insert Count that is greater than the number of
-dynamic table entries beyond the current Largest Known Received entry MUST treat
-this as a connection error of type `HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR`.
+An encoder that receives an Insert Count equal to zero, or that is greater than

OK, mine was just an example. I'd split the sentence into two to make it unambiguous and easier to read.

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Closes #1570.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ version-specific semantics are marked with an X.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |0|X X X X X X X|
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                Destination Connection ID (0..144)           ...
+|                 Destination Connection ID (*)               ...

What about DCIL and long headers?

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ version-specific semantics are marked with an X.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |0|X X X X X X X|
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                Destination Connection ID (0..144)           ...
+|                 Destination Connection ID (*)               ...

This is the short header only. See the section header.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ version-specific semantics are marked with an X.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |0|X X X X X X X|
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                Destination Connection ID (0..144)           ...
+|                 Destination Connection ID (*)               ...

yes, but why are short header CID's arbitrary when long headers are not? Isn't the short header CID length the same as those in the long header?

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Removed text that required the ID to be random and just asked for it to prevent correlation. There is no mention of correlation across connections.

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In draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md:

> @@ -189,7 +189,7 @@ version-specific semantics are marked with an X.
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |0|X X X X X X X|
 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
-|                Destination Connection ID (0..144)           ...
+|                 Destination Connection ID (*)               ...

OK, I see - invariants, not transport - and negotatied CIDs can change length, just not in long headers.

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The issue here is inefficiency.

Consider the case where the receiver advertised 1MB (using SETTINGS) a= nd sender decided to use 4KB. Current specification does not require the = sender to notify it's initial header table size. Then, the recei= ver will keep 1MB table even though 1020KB of it is a garbage.

That is the reason I prefer sending Dynamic Table Size Update as the f= irst instruction. The alternative approach will be to send the sender's m= ax header table size also as a SETTINGS frame; and then, memory-= constrained devices can advertise that it's both send and receiv= e max header table size is zero to omit the creation of all QPAC= K streams...

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Is it ok to make separate pull requests for each spelling error I find or should I fix any other spelling errors in a single pull request?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The encoder can't just decide to use 4KB and not tell the decoder about it: the protocol would not work. 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The encoder can't just decide to use 4KB and not tell the decoder about it: the protocol would not work. The table sizes must be the same.

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I guess @martinthomson is suggesting that the initial value is the max from SETTINGS, since you are required to wait for it before sending. If the encoder is using the decoder max it may omit the TSU.

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----==_mimepart_5ba3a5098566_12213fed9dad45c454348-- From nobody Thu Sep 20 07:11:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2E48130ECD for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 07:11:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.031 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.031 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4XTjiFpm9CGY for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C418C130EA3 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 07:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 07:11:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537452692; bh=a06arw5QFiNzmzw0FloQruvcRwfYTlKkXas9XMl3NsA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=DLwLrwaT9VAzD6QBgwZTu7gXURiN8gxkz43j3pu3y2b7zXPkSsXMFO/Aow1PJG+xC E6+uF1Q0fhMTjAN8uWG2/6jM5jDv9gbrlZvALfDDRsSVgWjqG2nHJ6P7KcaE99cWds pQNwIRGrPSNZ/9qABNLGq7bCpkzUB+EOTOJO4UB8= From: =?UTF-8?B?QmVuY2UgQsOpa3k=?= Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Specify direction of data flow on unidirectional streams. (#1777) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba3aa94cc183_756f3f83c62d45b83703f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: bencebeky X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 14:11:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba3aa94cc183_756f3f83c62d45b83703f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not very familiar with this draft so I'm sorry if this is entirely bogus. I did not find anything in the current draft on which direction data is allowed to flow on an unidirectional stream. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1777 -- Commit Summary -- * Specify direction of data flow on unidirectional streams. -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1777.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1777.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1777 ----==_mimepart_5ba3aa94cc183_756f3f83c62d45b83703f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am not very familiar with this draft so I'm sorry if this is entirel= y bogus. I did not find anything in the current draft on which direction= data is allowed to flow on an unidirectional stream.

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Discussed in NYC, we agreed to keep the current design, but make an editorial change so that there is only one name.

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There is no such thing as a HelloRetryRequest in Quic. There are just some bits produced by the TLS component, telling QUIC to please send this over Initial or Handshakes packet. So the answer to the question is very simple: NO, the CID should not change.

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Since there are two connection ids in an Initial packet I think "connection IDs" should be used in this case.

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I'm fine with @afrind says in
#1767 (comment).

And thanks to Mike for pointing me to #1530. I now see that the necessary text ex= ists (see #1642), and consider that this issue can be closed as duplicate of #1530.

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----==_mimepart_5ba3fe9d474c6_50773fdca76d45c02355a8-- From nobody Thu Sep 20 13:16:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECEC41200D6 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:16:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id koeAiPnZDHAB for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D1CE0130E2D for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:16:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:16:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537474572; bh=xzKL3pNHJbnj8X+28SeWRsEB2hDg5z6VQJyKpNiNAYQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AO5tv1t4u6L3sZIxo6rn3NsZ9i4I7LAiyFc8POWLYIbaZbvDeuJULgwiG5AX9SBGa Yc6gnnlingpTQGn66QdZqcYNiwShGBTRuuRl82NIxixoaXt3czm2Z78M04LUsd7QgD DV2VGjXpTzLJHTPrFeC2pi7QFhW7MrqyA9FgGCT8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe a new version negotiation mechanism which allows for (#1755) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba4000c19611_1b983f92698d45c41988c3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:16:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba4000c19611_1b983f92698d45c41988c3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The big loser here is the validation of version negotiation. I think that most of that is stuff we want to lose. By having all the client's supported versions available to the server we lose a lot of the complication that the text was addressing. I think that we do need new text to describe the properties we are looking to obtain and how we obtain them, but that should be short. It appears as though the proposed text is a little too lean (the rationale for having transport parameter format stability is gone, for instance). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1755#issuecomment-423318212 ----==_mimepart_5ba4000c19611_1b983f92698d45c41988c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The big loser here is the validation of version negotiation. I think = that most of that is stuff we want to lose. By having all the client's s= upported versions available to the server we lose a lot of the complicati= on that the text was addressing. I think that we do need new text to des= cribe the properties we are looking to obtain and how we obtain them, but= that should be short. It appears as though the proposed text is a littl= e too lean (the rationale for having transport parameter format stability= is gone, for instance).

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Commit: 2cedb19dd337d469e7fb70d2adbe10fad2424ab7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2cedb19dd337d469e7fb70d2adbe10fad2424ab7 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-19 (Wed, 19 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Don't use 'header field' Commit: ba8e6cb032f9bdcc137b0e2541a9b29aa2de17b6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ba8e6cb032f9bdcc137b0e2541a9b29aa2de17b6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-19 (Wed, 19 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Just remove the 4-18 thing Commit: 068b395c884280e1ad79a7337c8bccfe8122d08c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/068b395c884280e1ad79a7337c8bccfe8122d08c Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-21 (Fri, 21 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1775 from quicwg/erase-short-cid-sizes Remove length restrictions on connection IDs Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/bbe43d47b579...068b395c8842 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5ba4011ecf8c3_150c2ac8ec476ec481084-- From nobody Thu Sep 20 13:21:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D96130E6C for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:20:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hhaG0ZdUqTIa for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F96E130E71 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 13:20:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537474852; bh=3LlUoxCo8aw3J4LO2xYVIOSn/oMegG2S8ohfTfqcxlw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=EyOoIjw2k7rZOBVHCcWa6t2eLj0O3mZrl3WT/v2VozH7I8SQdHC3v0r+qRCPacbVX VYh6HpVFk2QA2Y1B/Quot6UumspvvYv8bdy6+UGDk9NcT6TPOlNB9zN+Ev7wfeyaLj pPXF7TohdlKWqIV5QSyKLTRaH8oWiQQ5jqYdlOmc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID lengths 1, 2 and 3 bytes can't be encoded (#1570) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba401246aea4_6cf63fc261ed45b42516d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 20:21:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba401246aea4_6cf63fc261ed45b42516d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1570 via #1775. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1674,6 +1675,12 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
   address other than that used to perform the handshake.  This parameter is a
   zero-length value.
 
+max_ack_delay (0x000c):
+
+: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in

duration?

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Instead use the peer's value from transport parameters. 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Instead use the peer's value from transport parameters.

Fixes #1438

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Merges ACK and ACK_ECN in recovery, in preparation for the same in transport.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1674,6 +1675,12 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
   address other than that used to perform the handshake.  This parameter is a
   zero-length value.
 
+max_ack_delay (0x000c):
+
+: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in

To clarify, "the maximum duration in milliseconds..."? I think both are fine, but do you think that's substantially clearer?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -105,7 +100,7 @@ In-flight:
 
 Retransmittable Frames:
 
-: All frames besides ACK, ACK_ECN, or PADDING are considered
+: All frames besides ACK, or PADDING are considered

Is the , needed any more? Also, this can all fit on a single line now, right?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -133,13 +128,13 @@ acknowledged or declared lost and sent in new packets as necessary. The types
 of frames contained in a packet affect recovery and congestion control logic:
 
 * All packets are acknowledged, though packets that contain only ACK,
-  ACK_ECN, and PADDING frames are not acknowledged immediately.

Looks like the , after ACK isn't needed here either.

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I'm going to close this. It's been a year and nobody else has missed an example in the meantime.

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Closed #506.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  ACK-only:
 
-: Any packet containing only an ACK or ACK_ECN frame.
+: Any packet containing only an ACK frame.

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I found that there is a corner case that handshake fails after Retry.
The current specification allows server not to change its SCID in Retry packet. In other words, server is allowed to set client chosen CID in SCID field of Retry packet.
The spec also allows client to create fresh TLS context each time it receives Retry packet.
If they are used, there is a case that handshake fails after Retry packet.
Here is the possible scenario.

  1. client sends Initial to server with TLS context T0: Initial SCID=A DCID=B
  2. client resends Initial to server with TLS context T0: Initial SCID=A DCID=B
  3. client receives Retry from server: Retry SCID=B DCID=A ODCID=B
  4. in response to Retry(3), client sends Initial to server with TLS context T1: Initial SCID=A DCID=B
  5. client receives Retry from server (in response to client Initial(2)): Retry SCID=B DCID=A ODCID=B ODCID=B
  6. in response to Retry(5), client sends Initial to server with TLS context T2: Initial SCID=A DCID=B
  7. client receives Initial from server (in response to client Initial(4), thus using TLS context T1): Initial SCID=C DCID=A
  8. client receives Handshake from server (which uses TLS context T1): Handshake SCID=C DCID=A

client cannot decrypt Handshake packet from server because client uses TLS context T2 meanwhile server uses TLS context T1.

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----==_mimepart_5ba5004f80fa8_596d3fdd15ad45bc40274-- From nobody Fri Sep 21 07:42:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA95130DF9 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vizCD2FYFlj8 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E29012777C for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:42:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=u7l8qTMk8FqO+BcTJA/pTqw6d90=; b=aqQwxIxOR5auRBmH BE0wuKJZ0xZgDkalcIWNbvjEKsPAZzo+rrFZjy0GNkX9Q38hNEB9L5kPF7bO5I/t 0f4XQ6SIYXg+OqAttg8AhdhbGRU0K0yItKA30ecq6zzYLrjJqjgEUCoFf9Ukrets ox/60FAt+sPp2SoPp0UFLjiPlPg= Received: by filter1839p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1839p1mdw1-28538-5BA50343-1D 2018-09-21 14:42:11.366585171 +0000 UTC m=+680448.152950165 Received: from github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.45]) by ismtpd0005p1iad1.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id 1AUUz5ZlR7SV2SAYsWYvQA for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:42:11.297 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-e711880.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4612E44012E for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 07:42:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:42:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure after Retry (#1784) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba503433d1cd_1bc83fd318ad45b410479"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak00yLYhPYxhpIOF2iS4+KN8K8wJu0ZgEpimPK 2ymwwVz2PxE8K/9D9eOiNElnDCzjRa1THdeLbkbWus0dA7BVaBYK07lDVR/aNG8ZuNEn1uvyJhjf1j eIDhoNgAMUhm+cWR9rRNrxZIzEKd7UdSomX0azhnSBjwQAeLJWnYdl19E4PRl89jBCdoQ+2Jvvz5zb 8= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:42:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba503433d1cd_1bc83fd318ad45b410479 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess the solution is to either: a) Require Retry to change the CID. b) Restrict the client from starting a new TLS context in response to Retry. c) Have some other way for the client to differentiate between Retries, other than CID. a) sounds like the simplest option to me., -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1784#issuecomment-423556054 ----==_mimepart_5ba503433d1cd_1bc83fd318ad45b410479 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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One related issue for the P-R: We need to allow PING frames in Handshake and Initial Packets.

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Update reference to Initial packets.

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----==_mimepart_5ba54b606c6fd_117d3f96476d45bc1457b9-- From nobody Fri Sep 21 12:57:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AE3127B92 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:57:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qnInGdQ4E9MJ for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0711D130DF5 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 12:57:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537559856; bh=gEemyPaxqFbCZB9HfEH+4MS2cBl+e6V7twzkAKqT8D0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h/hVCumg6a2fMzxpBjSIcogUd+BaXEFfBrLcFznGZrs/s58NaLCjiWRd+n+b/FuMo 69OXm/+Q8T+3lCxJD3Sh++qtKHXcrtsjUJIwsrQFt+By5Qw93Y/K2bndeFZpv/3lMf gUv9xE+BnS1tNHbG4GvnZoJAaM8MjkWZu2qr58uk= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba54d303aaaa_1f603fedeb4d45b81218c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 19:57:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba54d303aaaa_1f603fedeb4d45b81218c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The presence of CONN_CLOSE in INITIAL and HANDSHAKE packets (and APP_CLOSE in HANDSHAKE) raises a number of questions for implementers. If I must generate a CONN_CLOSE frame during the handshake, what context should I use? The highest one I have, or the highest that I received a packet for? Relatedly, under what circumstances should I accept a CONN_CLOSE with old keys? I would argue we should toss any Initial Packet with CONN_CLOSE if the peer has already sent us something with Handshake keys, but it's possible to be more strict than that. Should I accept a Handshake CONNECTION_CLOSE when we are using 1-RTT merely because I still have the Handshake keys lying around? As far as I can tell, other frame types have no impact on the other contexts, except for a minor CRYPTO frame issue I'll handle in a different PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786 ----==_mimepart_5ba54d303aaaa_1f603fedeb4d45b81218c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The presence of CONN_CLOSE in INITIAL and HANDSHAKE packets (and APP_CLOSE in HANDSHAKE) raises a number of questions for implementers.

If I must generate a CONN_CLOSE frame during the handshake, what context should I use? The highest one I have, or the highest that I received a packet for?

Relatedly, under what circumstances should I accept a CONN_CLOSE with old keys? I would argue we should toss any Initial Packet with CONN_CLOSE if the peer has already sent us something with Handshake keys, but it's possible to be more strict than that.

Should I accept a Handshake CONNECTION_CLOSE when we are using 1-RTT merely because I still have the Handshake keys lying around?

As far as I can tell, other frame types have no impact on the other contexts, except for a minor CRYPTO frame issue I'll handle in a different PR.

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----==_mimepart_5ba54d303aaaa_1f603fedeb4d45b81218c0-- From nobody Fri Sep 21 13:04:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B31312785F for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2rIgGIkiQUAC for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5BA6127B92 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:04:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:04:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537560249; bh=9W2wMmXtP4NhAVQ4Jc+WQNlGZ8YYkJ6V1X2+zazrCJw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BUUzkSGrwuTN1hIKWUzSZ+KZQ/Oe3ZZRxOOJe4HqwM5jpUC2dX4ynmoFveGJuVG/C DrTPVTs+NRQlgfrgxhYiIfKmPvLuox9DjSgKKfBVj8v0sQ6SkYzGngs2/sxNBzmwio NyGzgfu1fvRWyYIDrLQU5Pnp5wovQKuW5TU2IhZQ= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify OOO CRYPTO data handling (#1787) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba54eb9cbabd_e873fa5720d45c41642ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 20:04:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba54eb9cbabd_e873fa5720d45c41642ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should never pass up Initial CRYPTO payloads once we've passed up Handshake, etc. This would break the ordered delivery of data to TLS. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1787 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify OOO CRYPTO data handling -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1787.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1787.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1787 ----==_mimepart_5ba54eb9cbabd_e873fa5720d45c41642ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We should never pass up Initial CRYPTO payloads once we've passed up Handshake, etc. This would break the ordered delivery of data to TLS.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1787

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  • Clarify OOO CRYPTO data handling

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I would recommend the following:

  1. Always send CONN_CLOSE/APP_CLOSE with the strongest keys you have ava= ilable.
  2. If a packet contains a CONN_CLOSE in a context where you have already= recevied a packet from the sender with a stronger context, drop it.
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If people like this, I can write up a PR.

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I think 1 needs to be the strongest keys you know the peer can process?

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I don't think that works with #2. Though my rule doesn't work either. If the server needs to send= one right after its first flight, it knows only that the peer processes IN= ITIAL. The client will have HS packets from the server, so it will drop wit= h Initial. The server might actually send 1-RTT, and this would work as wel= l under the current rule if nothing is lost.

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If I don't have the Server Hello, I can't decrypt EE to find the CRYPTO frame. I'll change the word to "processed", which I believe addresses your concern.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

I assume that I just haven't seen the transport piece of this yet.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -598,9 +598,10 @@ min_rtt:
 : The minimum RTT seen in the connection, ignoring ack delay.
 
 max_ack_delay:
-: The maximum ack delay in an incoming ACK frame for this connection.
-  Excludes ack delays for non-retransmittable packets and those
-  that create an RTT sample less than min_rtt.
+: The value from the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter, which
+  indicates the maximum amount of time in milliseconds the receiver

the maximum amount of time by which the receiver intends to delay acknowledgments, in milliseconds

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----==_mimepart_5ba580723543c_19b3ff9cb8d45b4128969-- From nobody Fri Sep 21 16:38:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D15130E6E for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wzGDQnSM6YOz for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:38:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00C4B130E41 for ; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:38:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 16:38:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537573092; bh=+G4UwBpUOun3mVWu4YIB5xn1lVu0FzQKu2GvZjEG2MM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SSMcnnHw8H6BOpp+J3Hi7IrHYkOdHKs/pfHAirZ6fYT/XzLKtQYiAZXzEzim0Gq// vRHntPbHUcIZ6XyT2g6EKNStdhPIDzlOXtbQVSwKOMWjHVbMo+QPU7FwdOUiTPCUHe lx8GBk81Jmm6hgCaFk9KyYjx3TByPYglZo2JE2I8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add max_ack_delay transport parameter and ACK every two packets (#1781) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba580e49c2af_3113faef80d45bc1099c4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 23:38:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba580e49c2af_3113faef80d45bc1099c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -3461,9 +3468,14 @@ ACK frames in response to other packets. Implementations MUST NOT send more than one packet containing only an ACK frame per received packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING frames. Packets containing frames besides ACK and PADDING MUST be acknowledged immediately or when a delayed ack timer -expires. The delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT or -the alarm granularity. This ensures an ACK frame is sent at least once per RTT -if new packets needing acknowledgement were received. +expires. + +The receiver's delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT +or the value indicated by the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter. you say that it might exceed `max_ack_delay` in the recovery PR, so which is it? > @@ -3461,9 +3468,14 @@ ACK frames in response to other packets. Implementations MUST NOT send more than one packet containing only an ACK frame per received packet that contains frames other than ACK and PADDING frames. Packets containing frames besides ACK and PADDING MUST be acknowledged immediately or when a delayed ack timer -expires. The delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT or -the alarm granularity. This ensures an ACK frame is sent at least once per RTT -if new packets needing acknowledgement were received. +expires. + +The receiver's delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT +or the value indicated by the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter. +This ensures an ACK frame is sent at least once per RTT if new packets +needing acknowledgement were received and ensures the sender has a predictable +limit on the ack delay for timer based retransmissions. ACKs should be sent I think we're gonna need caps on that should. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1781#pullrequestreview-157886983 ----==_mimepart_5ba580e49c2af_3113faef80d45bc1099c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3461,9 +3468,14 @@ ACK frames in response to other packets.  Implementations MUST NOT send more
 than one packet containing only an ACK frame per received packet that contains
 frames other than ACK and PADDING frames.  Packets containing frames besides
 ACK and PADDING MUST be acknowledged immediately or when a delayed ack timer
-expires. The delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT or
-the alarm granularity.  This ensures an ACK frame is sent at least once per RTT
-if new packets needing acknowledgement were received.
+expires.
+
+The receiver's delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT
+or the value indicated by the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter.

you say that it might exceed max_ack_delay in the recovery PR, so which is it?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3461,9 +3468,14 @@ ACK frames in response to other packets.  Implementations MUST NOT send more
 than one packet containing only an ACK frame per received packet that contains
 frames other than ACK and PADDING frames.  Packets containing frames besides
 ACK and PADDING MUST be acknowledged immediately or when a delayed ack timer
-expires. The delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT or
-the alarm granularity.  This ensures an ACK frame is sent at least once per RTT
-if new packets needing acknowledgement were received.
+expires.
+
+The receiver's delayed ack timer MUST NOT delay an ACK for longer than an RTT
+or the value indicated by the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter.
+This ensures an ACK frame is sent at least once per RTT if new packets
+needing acknowledgement were received and ensures the sender has a predictable
+limit on the ack delay for timer based retransmissions.  ACKs should be sent

I think we're gonna need caps on that should.

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I wasn't going to glom these together, but they fit too cleanly. Commit: 6bfc1ffa4e3155df109cc0afdfc36dc690c2fdfc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bfc1ffa4e3155df109cc0afdfc36dc690c2fdfc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-21 (Fri, 21 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Force the server to change connection ID on Retry Closes #1784. 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This is effectively the same as the case where we required connection ID to change for the client's benefit, except in reverse. I have a PR in chain that includes the discussed changes to Retry that I can roll this into. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1784#issuecomment-423698731 ----==_mimepart_5ba583b478a00_369d3fa9cbad45bc1081c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Good catch. This is effectively the same as the case where we required connection ID to change for the client's benefit, except in reverse. I have a PR in chain that includes the discussed changes to Retry that I can roll this into.

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Except the one where we will authenticate it. That comes afterwards.

Closes #1784, #1709.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1788

Commit Summary

  • Just one Retry
  • Force the server to change connection ID on Retry

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We discussed this in NYC and agreed as a WG that this is good in principle, but the PR needed a little more work.

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Why? It should be sufficient to send PADDING for this case.

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That's clearer now, however I think this is already described in the TLS document in the section "Sending and Receiving Handshake Messages", isn't it?

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You're right. I'll leave it to the editors to determine if this is useful to also mention where I've put it. If not, please close this PR.

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I was under the impression we'd agreed to that.

It can certainly work with just PADDING, but that's more complicated. = If the client simply sends a PING right when it gets the Handshake Keys, = it is able to use the normal retransmission logic without any odd special= cases around handshake timers.

(Setting aside the multiple server-hello case)

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(Or the case where the server's ack gets through, but not the server hello - that wl require a timer to trigger a ping or padding)

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Thank you for your responses. In fact we had not considered the handshake packets before. Now the TLP is working without any problems.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-If the Original Destination Connection ID field does not match the Destination
-Connection ID from the most recent Initial packet it sent, clients MUST discard
-the packet.  This prevents an off-path attacker from injecting a Retry packet.
+Clients MUST discard Retry packets that contain an Original Destination
+Connection ID field that does not match the Destination Connection ID its

of its

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -739,9 +742,10 @@ Source Connection IDs during the handshake.
 
 On first receiving an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client uses
 the Source Connection ID supplied by the server as the Destination Connection ID
-for subsequent packets.  Once a client has received an Initial packet from the
-server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
+for subsequent packets.  That means that a client might change the Destination
+Connection ID twice during connection establishment.  Once a client has received

only twice? Is there text to prevent a server from issuing a retry when a retry token is present in initial?

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I belive at least the PR https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1788/files has text to reject secondary Initial packets toward the client. The server would not want to consider a connection close in an initial, but I'm not sure if this is stated explicitly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -739,9 +742,10 @@ Source Connection IDs during the handshake.
 
 On first receiving an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client uses
 the Source Connection ID supplied by the server as the Destination Connection ID
-for subsequent packets.  Once a client has received an Initial packet from the
-server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
+for subsequent packets.  That means that a client might change the Destination
+Connection ID twice during connection establishment.  Once a client has received

There is nothing stopping the server from sending multiple Retry packets (regardless of which flight they came from, whether they had token, or anything). However, the client is only going to process one of them.

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----==_mimepart_5ba66fd871e27_33e53fbe3f6d45c45375c-- From nobody Sat Sep 22 09:41:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0662D130E2E for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:41:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aoNyfER5xS9t for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E35A130E26 for ; Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 09:41:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537634511; bh=L3xFV4LhKho57bf1CVpAvkIc+vl/xWEGklQwSj1Fkog=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=p0oMj4rcjsK8XXnzx421FiPGi8SADuIfDHSaWcIYojNmYoTNmeDq80oup6PklmwTn SYr0cCQiVJdqYXdgbFI4XcGYniJPmeQaDhABGikHmdej8sNjeijywQEhaCzGUK2OHP XDoFZrTULFeIQhvc1vcxJiWn+IhAjibbvNyE3V08= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake loss recovery interacts poorly with amplification attack defense (#1764) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba670cf84cdf_55973f9aaccd45c01759e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 16:41:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba670cf84cdf_55973f9aaccd45c01759e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had a different conception of this. That is, the client runs the Initial timer fairly aggressively for longer. That is, you set a timer for retransmitting Initial+ClientHello and rather than stopping that timer when you get a packet from the server, you stop it when either the handshake completes (or you receive an ACK in a Handshake packet). The tweak being that you can send Initial with the ClientHello in it, but then switch to sending anything else when you've received proof that the server got your message (basically, any response other than Retry). At that point, it doesn't matter what you put in the packet. I was thinking that triggering standard retransmission logic would be bad in this case because you don't really have anything to send, it's just a matter of giving the server primed enough incoming bytes that it can send enough outgoing. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1764#issuecomment-423756834 ----==_mimepart_5ba670cf84cdf_55973f9aaccd45c01759e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I had a different conception of this. That is, the client runs the In= itial timer fairly aggressively for longer. That is, you set a timer for= retransmitting Initial+ClientHello and rather than stopping that timer w= hen you get a packet from the server, you stop it when either the handsha= ke completes (or you receive an ACK in a Handshake packet).

The tweak being that you can send Initial with the ClientHello in it, = but then switch to sending anything else when you've received proof that = the server got your message (basically, any response other than Retry).

At that point, it doesn't matter what you put in the packet. I was th= inking that triggering standard retransmission logic would be bad in this= case because you don't really have anything to send, it's just a matter = of giving the server primed enough incoming bytes that it can send enough= outgoing.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -739,9 +742,10 @@ Source Connection IDs during the handshake.
 
 On first receiving an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client uses
 the Source Connection ID supplied by the server as the Destination Connection ID
-for subsequent packets.  Once a client has received an Initial packet from the
-server, it MUST discard any packet it receives with a different Source
-Connection ID.
+for subsequent packets.  That means that a client might change the Destination
+Connection ID twice during connection establishment.  Once a client has received

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Thanks Martin, tweaked based on your comments.

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Martin, I think that works out fine, and I think it gives us a very specific piece of guidance
If the handshake timer goes off on the client side, and you don't have Handshake keys or anything outstanding, send a full-sized padding packet.

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That works for me.

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What if the server is just counting packets? Then some clients would n= ot be inclined to send a full initial packet, but the smallest possible t= hat will convince the server to proceed. The server would just increment = the count and ignore duplicates.

What if the server incorrectly fails to count packets that are conside= red duplicates - so handshakes still hang - i.e. specific advice is neede= d to prevent this?

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Thanks Martin, looks good.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -593,37 +593,40 @@ The server populates the Destination Connection ID with the connection ID that
 the client included in the Source Connection ID of the Initial packet.
 
 The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
-field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
-of subsequent packets that it sends.
+field.  This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of

So the server HAS to change connection ID with a Retry? I have no problem with that, but I wasn't sure where that ended up previously.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A Retry packet does not include a packet number and cannot be explicitly
-acknowledged by a client.
+A server MAY send Retry packets in response to Initial and 0-RTT packets.  A
+server can either discard or buffer 0-RTT packets that it receives.  A server

Below, you're advising that the client changes crypto context in response to Retry, so buffering 0RTT packets is likely to be useless, correct?

Retry is really meant for cheap DDoS, so if we want this to work well, I think we should spend more time thinking about how to make it work well. I suspect we don't care and should just advise dropping 0RTT packets if you're sending a Retry?

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A server MUST NOT send a Retry in response to packets other than Initial
-or 0-RTT packets.  A server MAY choose to only send Retry in response to Initial
-packets and discard or buffer 0-RTT packets corresponding to unvalidated client
-addresses.
+A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection

This MUST is a bit strong for me when thinking of man-on-the-side, especially since you don't respond to cases when the original dcid doesn't match, but it's Ok for now since mots is out of scope for v1.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A Retry packet does not include a packet number and cannot be explicitly
-acknowledged by a client.
+A server MAY send Retry packets in response to Initial and 0-RTT packets.  A
+server can either discard or buffer 0-RTT packets that it receives.  A server

What about perferect forward secrecy - could there be an issue with crypto reuse here?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -593,37 +593,40 @@ The server populates the Destination Connection ID with the connection ID that
 the client included in the Source Connection ID of the Initial packet.
 
 The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
-field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
-of subsequent packets that it sends.
+field.  This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of

Yes, this isn't obvious until you read #1784. In that case, the reuse of a connection ID causes the client to be confused about what belongs to what.

The problem @tatsuhiro-t identified is that the client can respond to a Retry, then receive a valid Initial in response to a packet sent before that Retry, but it is one that is incompatible with its current TLS state. This assumes that the client has changed its ClientHello somehow in response to the Retry, which we encourage, but don't mandate.

Forcing the change of connection ID means that a client that receives a Retry will drop anything sent by the server in response to any Initial packets sent before receiving the Retry. So, if a retransmission of the first round of Initial packets gets a real response, that will just be dropped.

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----==_mimepart_5ba7bc83e7563_2c173fbe264d45bc5809-- From nobody Sun Sep 23 09:19:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B1BE130DE3 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:19:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gp4kztt7sHTB for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1F78130DC0 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 09:19:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537719585; bh=4mkBwLYnG00tUrRMJkFsFRfj8c06J2Ap5ZqWb0q5DOA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l9Tudg4FotpZKev52u4IVjttydLGQ3JNoYIyF+Uq5qmtWyKS0yaXsDu+YMXvKOtmP rfj9W7J/KKpELEI69Myr+0JRxcD+I4QPE8bIj7W/E9+g8jMDqorDsBp7SP8Y3hbNwH yH/cFzBTEwnZBvEn1axjpUsD+PWLW773YvDnKBw0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Most the Retry-related fixes (#1788) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba7bd219e329_2bf43fbe264d45bc124680"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:19:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba7bd219e329_2bf43fbe264d45bc124680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -A server MUST NOT send a Retry in response to packets other than Initial -or 0-RTT packets. A server MAY choose to only send Retry in response to Initial -packets and discard or buffer 0-RTT packets corresponding to unvalidated client -addresses. +A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection Yeah, I thought about that. The way to finagle this is to think of the defense against spoofed Retry as forking off multiple connections. Each Retry you decide to process makes another connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1788#discussion_r219703735 ----==_mimepart_5ba7bd219e329_2bf43fbe264d45bc124680 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A server MUST NOT send a Retry in response to packets other than Initial
-or 0-RTT packets.  A server MAY choose to only send Retry in response to Initial
-packets and discard or buffer 0-RTT packets corresponding to unvalidated client
-addresses.
+A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection

Yeah, I thought about that. The way to finagle this is to think of the defense against spoofed Retry as forking off multiple connections. Each Retry you decide to process makes another connection.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A Retry packet does not include a packet number and cannot be explicitly
-acknowledged by a client.
+A server MAY send Retry packets in response to Initial and 0-RTT packets.  A
+server can either discard or buffer 0-RTT packets that it receives.  A server

Yes, the recommendation causes 0-RTT packets to be unusable at the server. I think that's OK, the text below makes the trade-off clear.

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We can fix the byte-counting vs. packet-counting thing at the same time.

The datagram thing was OK if you assumed that the inbound datagrams were full-sized, but that assumption no longer holds.

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Nope, merge away (the CI issue is not your fault).

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Yeah, the text in the -tls draft is much more precise. I worry that this might be misinterpreted.

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-A server MUST NOT send a Retry in response to packets other than Initial
-or 0-RTT packets.  A server MAY choose to only send Retry in response to Initial
-packets and discard or buffer 0-RTT packets corresponding to unvalidated client
-addresses.
+A client MUST accept and process at most one Retry packet for each connection

At some point it was suggested that a man-on-the-side defence could be to excercise the retry, but still watch out of an initial response within a timeout period. If an initial response arrives, the retry is cancelled. But I guess you could have bogus inital responses to valid retries ...

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -593,37 +593,40 @@ The server populates the Destination Connection ID with the connection ID that
 the client included in the Source Connection ID of the Initial packet.
 
 The server includes a connection ID of its choice in the Source Connection ID
-field.  The client MUST use this connection ID in the Destination Connection ID
-of subsequent packets that it sends.
+field.  This value MUST not be equal to the Destination Connection ID field of

Agreed, it seems like the right solution, can you call this and the fact we're limiting to 1 Retry in the PR description, because those are fairly substantial changes?

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I wasn't going to glom these together, but they fit too cleanly. Commit: 6bfc1ffa4e3155df109cc0afdfc36dc690c2fdfc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6bfc1ffa4e3155df109cc0afdfc36dc690c2fdfc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-21 (Fri, 21 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Force the server to change connection ID on Retry Closes #1784. Commit: 422c1df11adb32d0a21bcaddc1a4fa20952fb7ae https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/422c1df11adb32d0a21bcaddc1a4fa20952fb7ae Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-22 (Sat, 22 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- this was missing word Commit: c7e7d618208ac838aaa20517d94337401946051b https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c7e7d618208ac838aaa20517d94337401946051b Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-23 (Sun, 23 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1788 from quicwg/change-cid Most the Retry-related fixes Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/5ea160640157...c7e7d618208a **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5ba801a125319_528a2afef9272edc772cb-- From nobody Sun Sep 23 14:12:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAD7130EF6 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:12:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RETzpdl2-Cj1 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 527BD130E45 for ; Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 14:12:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537737126; bh=2x6SfBYGfLpu8loc5dAZrf04Ob4iazUzxccu06dn+k4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YUkjL7FyllIPm0IXAKDlUPmgRra8OfSvC1z+OnrXCZgk6uDPdhEFn0K/cO3mQYPPI b9dOAW9sNf8F2rK0x87MaQnAOwSnX++q+zpC2nZ5gB7hO7GqeHEFDyYbKfpUdxvtyH Mc2icduVSZ/OVTB2fPyuVqTKEcKkuCKS7g1TCSp4= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handshake failure after Retry (#1784) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba801a636875_20273fc0bced45c457646a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2018 21:12:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba801a636875_20273fc0bced45c457646a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1784 via #1788. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Looks good, follows what we agreed in NYC. Modulo mandatory bike shedding on the description of the parameter.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1674,6 +1675,12 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
   address other than that used to perform the handshake.  This parameter is a
   zero-length value.
 
+max_ack_delay (0x000c):
+
+: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in

How about, "the maximum ACK delay in milliseconds"?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1674,6 +1675,12 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
   address other than that used to perform the handshake.  This parameter is a
   zero-length value.
 
+max_ack_delay (0x000c):
+
+: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in

I think it's helpful to clarify what ACK delay is here, so I'd like to avoid using the same words in the parameter when possible.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1674,6 +1675,12 @@ disable_migration (0x0009):
   address other than that used to perform the handshake.  This parameter is a
   zero-length value.
 
+max_ack_delay (0x000c):
+
+: An 8 bit unsigned integer value indicating the maximum amount of time in

I agree that it would be helpful. The only reference to ACK Delay in the transport draft is in the description of the ACK frame. The ACK generation is described in the recovery draft, using a parameter kDelayedAckTimeout. Max ACK Delay is also defined in the recovery draft, but the section 4.1.1 appears obsolete. In light of that, the proper phrase is probably "maximum time that the peer will wait before acknowledging a packet" plus a reference to the appropriate section of the recovery draft. This PR should probably also update the recovery draft.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +This can help to ensure that different connection IDs will be used in both
+directions when an endpoint migrates to a new path or changes connection ID on
+an existing path.
+
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+If an endpoint's peer has selected a non-zero-length connection ID, the endpoint
+maintains a set of connection IDs received from the peer that it can use when
+sending packets.  All connection IDs issued by the peer are considered valid for
+use by the endpoint when sending packets until the connection ID is retired by
+the endpoint.  Endpoints can choose to stop using a given connection ID to send
+packets at any time and signal this to the issuing endpoint via a
+CONNECTION_ID_FINISHED frame.  This frame indicates the connection ID that is no
+longer in use and serves as a request for the peer to issue additional
+connection IDs via a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

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Added max_connection_ids TP as discussed in NYC. This allows the consumer of CIDs to put a cap on how many the server will send.

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The remaining issue here is the re-introduction of a sequence number, = which will work as follows:

  • Each CID comes with a sequence number, every CID that you send must h= ave a sequence number higher than any you've previously sent
  • This does not requiring anything to happen in lockstep as be= fore, however this solves a big edge case in that you can now forget CIDs= immediately instead of waiting for 3xRTO when you retire them, since any= NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame crossing paths with the retirement frame will co= ntain a sequence number. Instead, you just remember the highest sequence = number NEW_CONNECTION_ID that you've received.

For example:

  1. Peer sends NEW_CONNECTION_ID and you use it, then immediately retire = it with RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID.
  2. Ack of NEW_CONNECTION_ID gets lost.
  3. RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame is still in flight when the peer retransmi= ts NEW_CONNECTION_ID.

If you've got a sequence number you can keep track of the highest sequ= ence that you've gotten and, since this one will not advance the sequence= number, you can safely ignore the duplicate NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

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This might be another color of the bikeshed but if the ack delay is in microseconds, shouldn't the max ack delay also be in microseconds?

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Also note that Item (1) above is explicitly stated in Section 4.9 of t= he quic-tls draft:

"Though an endpoint might retain older keys, new data MUST be sent at<= br> the highest currently-available encryption level."

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -128,15 +128,16 @@ general-purpose secure transport for multiple applications.
 
 * Connection migration and resilience to NAT rebinding
 
-QUIC implements techniques learned from experience with TCP, SCTP and other
-transport protocols.  QUIC uses UDP as substrate so as to not require changes to
-legacy client operating systems and middleboxes to be deployable.  QUIC
-authenticates all of its headers and encrypts most of the data it exchanges,
-including its signaling.  This allows the protocol to evolve without incurring a
-dependency on upgrades to middleboxes.  This document describes the core QUIC
-protocol, including the conceptual design, wire format, and mechanisms of the
-QUIC protocol for connection establishment, stream multiplexing, stream and
-connection-level flow control, connection migration, and data reliability.
+QUIC uses UDP as substrate so as to not require changes to legacy client
+operating systems and middleboxes to be deployable.  QUIC authenticates all of

that sensent is hard to parse

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Discussed on 2018-09-24:

Proposed structure w/ notes:

  1. Introduction
  2. Overview
  3. Streams (might be multiple top-level sections)
    a. concepts
    b. lifecycle
    c. flow control
  4. Connection Handshake
    a. Example Handshake (high level)
    b. Packet Handling
    c. Version Negotiation
    d. Retry (tokens, etc....)
    e. Handshake Packets (cite TLS drafts)
    f. Transport parameters (what they are for, not the format)
  5. Connection Migration
  6. Connection Shutdown
  7. Packets and Frames (format, layout, coalescing)
  8. Sending and Resending Packets
  9. Acknowledging Packets
  10. Packet Size (Initial size, PMTUD etc...)
  11. Version Numbers
  12. Long and Short Headers
  13. Packet Formats
  14. Transport Parmeters
  15. Frame Formats
  16. Error Codes
  17. Security Considerations
  18. IANA
  19. Other stuff...

From Section 11 onwards, try to keep to pure format and only have minima= l description of semantics. Most of the semantic stuff should already be c= overed.

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----==_mimepart_5ba95fce4bcca_79f03ffd010d45c490983-- From nobody Mon Sep 24 15:07:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05271131127 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:07:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nVlhOg8ei_Vj for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87ABD130E60 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:07:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537826841; bh=eLYipzjmSzO02gXllQsosJIfudbF0gLSxdBlovxAYZU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=y7/vwAynidJThsoooWEBoZbZOvTElsuDG7AQsWxpR/JDUEJ6oAHWPYcFyS8zODG0m s/pGyDqOaI7RyX8PNZueLWZ1uI1Y2DlybNtyL+Pn8fboLnmpRkE4MBFIs2ioOemJbz f+MFJpKBX9zRHviLoggvNwO3qqdbIVTWIxOqYxVI= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Single Packet Number Space (#1591) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba96019917aa_31803ffc2fcd45b8900f6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:07:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba96019917aa_31803ffc2fcd45b8900f6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closing per discussion in NYC. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1591#issuecomment-424141625 ----==_mimepart_5ba96019917aa_31803ffc2fcd45b8900f6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Closed #1591.

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Closing, per discussion at interim.

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Closed #1628.

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Agreed in NYC not to do this.

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Closed #1706.

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Discussed in NYC and we decided that the failings of the existing scheme are the least worst option.

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I had a conversation with @ekr about this ye= sterday, and I'm wondering if the following proposal might get us the best = of both worlds:

  1. Require that QUIC packets MUST verify length(packet number) + len= gth(payload) >=3D 4, by padding the payload if needed.
  2. Always have PNE encrypt 4 bytes from the start of the packet number, an= d use the following 16 bytes as nonce.

In practice the padding overhead here is very low as it only impacts a s= mall number of frame types when sent without an ACK frame. (Worse case scen= ario is a lonely PING frame with packet number below 63, and that case suff= ers 2 bytes of padding out of a 20+8+1+1+1=3D31 byte IPv4 packet)

It also has the nice property of obfuscating the packet-number length, a= s an observer can no longer tell when the packet number is below 63.

In terms of implementation, this is simplest for decryption, and the pad= ding can be added right before encrypting the payload as that code needs to= have access to the packet number as nonce anyway.

What are people's thoughts on this?

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Closing based on discussion. We concluded that while there are optimizations that might be exposed to some sort of manipulation, the most obvious implementation isn't vulnerable. Anyone optimizing can probably work this out for themselves.

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----==_mimepart_5ba964489b16d_31ae3fd5ee0d45b8844a-- From nobody Mon Sep 24 15:25:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047B8130E60 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:25:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1bKNzBBfwRA5 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:25:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o3.sgmail.github.com (o3.sgmail.github.com [192.254.112.98]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0C4713115F for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:25:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=GyxzIc3iMeivMwXdw++qIvBlV/E=; b=Lw0wigITwQUq7G7q XTVKrNAPfTZ43q4s0XTHYLyCzCMxyLhxV26pHNFmV/PrvImAJAY5HnUeGtnpyImt o6CCvmnf4t7RD8jvAlci1EdYwEvu8igbphoRvCaIz3RbIN1BYJiZ1bShTXuL0uOZ juI2R0pxbjc3w02OFU3APf3n9c8= Received: by filter0140p1iad2.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter0140p1iad2-6250-5BA9644C-20 2018-09-24 22:25:16.865716105 +0000 UTC m=+443904.404971913 Received: from github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.40]) by ismtpd0015p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id Wvn0V9GOQdOlS7S4gfjaVA for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:25:16.676 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-05ceafd.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B050461397 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 15:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:25:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add protection against abusive packer number sequences (#1752) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba9644c85a3b_5b4c3fe1928d45c427984"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak2L+I+bFl2AJL20NoRMMZ/YIw/IBELDy4c4IY dQY4vjtNNGtmEC7aAhzIR9doBeZ96JhwO/yKquzUvsncx/rI4pgNwtUsEjRSvyP57h6qecoR1ZzCgo moeeM1tJ304q3evn0M2TeVMfH1R6TXikqpGg1qHIiKCoRQ39ouvvzMUhoEp4sa3hzCBM66r+lRD22E g= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 22:25:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba9644c85a3b_5b4c3fe1928d45c427984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1752. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1752#event-1864332780 ----==_mimepart_5ba9644c85a3b_5b4c3fe1928d45c427984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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It took me ages to understand this one, and I needed @janaiyengar's help. Maybe the right thing to say is that servers don't have to send Version Negotiation in response to every packet and they can use their own heuristics for deciding this.

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I don't think that we need microsecond precision here. It just makes expressing the value harder.

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Closed #981 via #1781.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closes #1746. 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Closes #1746.

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Commit Summary

  • Allow NEW_CONNECTION_ID in probing packets

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -128,15 +128,16 @@ general-purpose secure transport for multiple applications.
 
 * Connection migration and resilience to NAT rebinding
 
-QUIC implements techniques learned from experience with TCP, SCTP and other
-transport protocols.  QUIC uses UDP as substrate so as to not require changes to
-legacy client operating systems and middleboxes to be deployable.  QUIC
-authenticates all of its headers and encrypts most of the data it exchanges,
-including its signaling.  This allows the protocol to evolve without incurring a
-dependency on upgrades to middleboxes.  This document describes the core QUIC
-protocol, including the conceptual design, wire format, and mechanisms of the
-QUIC protocol for connection establishment, stream multiplexing, stream and
-connection-level flow control, connection migration, and data reliability.
+QUIC uses UDP as substrate so as to not require changes to legacy client
+operating systems and middleboxes to be deployable.  QUIC authenticates all of

Agreed, this sentence is awkward.

How about "QUIC uses UDP as a substrate to avoid changes to legacy client operating systems and middleboxes in order to be deployed."

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----==_mimepart_5ba96b0f24081_1d493fc98f6d45b459724-- From nobody Mon Sep 24 16:08:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F11C131169 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:08:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UgN_c3yaEeE9 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A7334130E60 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 16:08:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537830482; bh=e/zgA7iBCTMC0vAz7jqPLy5/1zD/htCHAHYisgr4m4E=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QTDuUC1B2fzCj982E9Nlj4rbBYY/jQOaSEHliONviDRVG4TRI8EPDXNviuhefdX5A dzeRV7AdfBstTbLqm+4zosXvZ7D4F+6s7VHGv+Ln/btVOVRwm30iouWEhjaTUQPrXy +rgcjqKZr8Bz5mzxuj0imb9V8bnxdoPTaHg9rwts= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Subsequent Initial Packets with Token Field (#1649) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba96e51bc7e5_15183fa5cded45c416152"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:08:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba96e51bc7e5_15183fa5cded45c416152 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rule here is, in light of #1764, that the client needs to send 1200+ datagram until it knows (for certain) that the server has validated the client source address. The way servers validate the client's source address in the handshake is by receiving packets with Handshake keys (or higher, but we know that 1-RTT packets aren't read until Handshake packets are all read). So the way the client learns that the server is OK is to get an ACK at the Handshake encryption level (or higher, see above). The token only appears in the first one, and the packet sent in response to a Retry. That is probably more aggressive than necessary, but it keeps things simple. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1649#issuecomment-424154721 ----==_mimepart_5ba96e51bc7e5_15183fa5cded45c416152 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rule here is, in light of #1764, that the client needs to send 1200+ datagram unt= il it knows (for certain) that the server has validated the client source= address. The way servers validate the client's source address in the ha= ndshake is by receiving packets with Handshake keys (or higher, but we kn= ow that 1-RTT packets aren't read until Handshake packets are all read). = So the way the client learns that the server is OK is to get an ACK at t= he Handshake encryption level (or higher, see above).

The token only appears in the first one, and the packet sent in respon= se to a Retry. That is probably more aggressive than necessary, but it k= eeps things simple.

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Yes, we discussed that breakage in NYC and it seems like people are OK with it. Mostly. The change is already in.

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As discussed in NYC, this message doesn't help us in QUIC, and it's annoying to implement.

Closes #1518.

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Commit Summary

  • Remove EndOfEarlyData from TLS

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Q: Is "CRYPTO frames MAY appear in packets of any encryption level." still accurate?

Also, I think we can be more explicit about when to discard 0RTT read keys on the server side in "Discarding Unused Keys" now that no 0RTT packets are expected to have larger packet numbers than 1RTT packets.

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(#1758) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba97950910e_4d873fc6878d45b819583c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: knekritz X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:54:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba97950910e_4d873fc6878d45b819583c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry about my lack of description here. The issue is that if we are doing 0-RTT and the server wants to negotiate a different versions, it will send a version negotiation packet in response to each 0-RTT packet in addition to the client initial. This isn't a huge issue normally as clients will only try 0-RTT when they have recent prior knowledge of the server, but it's not ideal during new version rollouts. To prevent these duplicate version negotiation packets, the server can omit version negotiation responses when it knows they are unnecessary (for example in response to 0-RTT packets which always will come after the client initial). However, applying this too broadly comes with some ossification risk, if a server never sends version negotiation in response to 0-RTT packets as defined in v1 (without also checking the exact version), that will cause some ossification of the long header types, which is why I added the "explicit knowledge of another QUIC version" blurb. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Sorry about my lack of description here. The issue is that if we are d= oing 0-RTT and the server wants to negotiate a different versions, it wil= l send a version negotiation packet in response to each 0-RTT packet in a= ddition to the client initial. This isn't a huge issue normally as client= s will only try 0-RTT when they have recent prior knowledge of the server= , but it's not ideal during new version rollouts.

To prevent these duplicate version negotiation packets, the server can= omit version negotiation responses when it knows they are unnecessary (f= or example in response to 0-RTT packets which always will come after the = client initial). However, applying this too broadly comes with some ossif= ication risk, if a server never sends version negotiation in response to = 0-RTT packets as defined in v1 (without also checking the exact version),= that will cause some ossification of the long header types, which is why= I added the "explicit knowledge of another QUIC version" blurb.

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Closes #1710, #1486.

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Both of those are in the TLS doc as it happens, so I thought it best to address them here. Thanks for catching them.

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Ideally, we want an endpoint to change connection ID if its peer changes connection ID. However, this leads to infinite changing of connection IDs if you implement the naive version of this. We need an algorithm that is simple enough to implement, but immune to the looping problem.

This isn't critical (we can live without it), but it would be a nice to have.

Currently Section 6.11.5 is where this would live.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 
 ### Issuing Connection IDs
 
-An endpoint issues connection IDs to its peer for the peer to use when sending
-packets. This allows the endpoint control over the strategy used to interpret
-connection IDs of packets that it receives.  These connection IDs are
-communicated to the peer using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames
-({{frame-new-connection-id}}).
+The initial connection ID issued by an endpoint is the Source Connection ID
+during the handshake.  Subsequent connection IDs are communicated to the peer
+using NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames ({{frame-new-connection-id}}).  While each
+endpoint independently chooses how many connection IDs to issue, a recommended
+number of outstanding connection IDs is eight.

endpoints SHOULD provide and maintain at least 8 connection IDs......

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -new connection ID for each connection ID retired with a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID
-frame. When a receiver of a packet notices that its peer is now using a
-previously unused connection ID, it can supply its peer with a new connection ID
-using a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame to reduce the possibility of its peer running
-out of available connection IDs.
-
-Endpoints that use connection IDs with length greater than zero could have their
-activity correlated if their peers keep using the same destination connection ID
-after migration.  An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote
-address or destination connection ID than previously used SHOULD also switch to
-sending with a connection ID that has not previously been used.  The goal is to
-ensure absence of correlation between the pairs of client and server connection
-ID used on different paths.  To fulfill this privacy requirement, endpoints that
+An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
+unused connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new
+connection ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint

Maybe move the recommendation for 8 in between the two sentences here.

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----==_mimepart_5ba98b081d1c0_3b233f937fad45c4292544-- From nobody Mon Sep 24 18:11:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5339C131166 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:11:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FeLD0HakfOSR for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D18113115B for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:11:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 18:11:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537837868; bh=dcyFMWAxWleHEtpyXL60jBkdCh+geH/T6rDSiAGg3P8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hKEuPTn0rWDTibik2s5d6dvfpHfsRs8FiVwW8mbsWRcNSJdWrgRIvBp60MoA8CEcs sTNOU07w4P6Dp+oAV3hJwLAL47/joNnspYZLZqthfE/SvjamVONZbwML0T7cGPmsq7 NEf0C/Aj9xeeb3BDJKyMZ2J7DFGQUNuFglf6Gnds= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Connection ID DT output (#1742) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba98b2be9198_40b3ff3fe0d45bc1148c5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 01:11:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba98b2be9198_40b3ff3fe0d45bc1148c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > -address or destination connection ID than previously used SHOULD also switch to -sending with a connection ID that has not previously been used. The goal is to -ensure absence of correlation between the pairs of client and server connection -ID used on different paths. To fulfill this privacy requirement, endpoints that +An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and +unused connection IDs. The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new +connection ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint +receives a packet with a previously unused connection ID. + + +### Consuming Connection IDs + +An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address or +destination connection ID than previously used SHOULD also switch to sending +with a connection ID that has not previously been used. The goal is to ensure +absence of correlation between the pairs of client and server connection ID used The goal is to ensure that traffic on different paths cannot be correlated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1742#pullrequestreview-158348791 ----==_mimepart_5ba98b2be9198_40b3ff3fe0d45bc1148c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -address or destination connection ID than previously used SHOULD also switch to
-sending with a connection ID that has not previously been used.  The goal is to
-ensure absence of correlation between the pairs of client and server connection
-ID used on different paths.  To fulfill this privacy requirement, endpoints that
+An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
+unused connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new
+connection ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint
+receives a packet with a previously unused connection ID.
+
+
+### Consuming Connection IDs
+
+An endpoint that receives a packet with a different remote address or
+destination connection ID than previously used SHOULD also switch to sending
+with a connection ID that has not previously been used.  The goal is to ensure
+absence of correlation between the pairs of client and server connection ID used

The goal is to ensure that traffic on different paths cannot be correlated.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1242,46 +1242,37 @@ the connection ID via a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
 An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of available and
 unused connection IDs.  The endpoint can do this by always supplying a new
 connection ID when a connection ID is retired by its peer or when the endpoint
-receives a packet with a previously unused connection ID.
-
-
-### Consuming Connection IDs
+receives a packet with a previously unused connection ID.  Endpoints that
+initiate migration and require non-zero-length connection IDs SHOULD provide
+their peers with new connection IDs before migration, or risk the peer closing
+the connection.

closing the connection...when they run out of connection IDs.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-: If both endpoints change connection ID in response to seeing a change in
-  connection ID from their peer, then this can trigger an infinite sequence
-  of changes.
+An endpoint can arbitrarily change the connection ID it uses for a peer to

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 An endpoint that retires a connection ID should retain knowledge of that
-connection ID for a period of time after sending the RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID
-frame, or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times
-the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  This prevents potential retransmissions of a
-NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame from overlapping with the RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame
-for the same connection ID.
+connection ID for a period of time after sending the RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame,
+or until that frame is acknowledged.  A recommended time is three times the
+current retransmission timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+This prevents confusion from receiving retransmissions of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID

This prevents a retransmission of a NEW_CONNECTION_ID from incorrectly renewing a previously retired connection ID.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1108,6 +1108,16 @@ and reliance on them should be minimized.  However, any tampering with the
 parameters will cause the handshake to fail.
 
 
+## Removing the EndOfEarlyData Message {#remove-eoed}
+
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension also modifies TLS to remove

this makes it seem like sending quic_transport_params on a tcp connection will also negotiate having no eoed. Is that really desirable. Maybe we should say that this should be only done when both endpoints know they are speaking quic.

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----==_mimepart_5ba9a09e82858_32c73fe1f5cd45bc15065d-- From nobody Mon Sep 24 21:18:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F7F1311FA for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:18:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SqQ58vTa9ANE for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9464913107E for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:18:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 21:18:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537849133; bh=jg4Yhg/Vi/O2H/XSE/qUpwdMZa1FBrUcUUfpdmFJUqk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KKhZBG6xEIwaLBYVZTomjRonai0QrZAbqvEkcHzM8ISoOcfnoQavjgrOU1Jo0Ci0O 3GBW3QdyB2OymXpPL1jLV/cIgXxqkWWwIrLP9hSFeYKbRObY7nCXRl2zEfQD2R3exZ gfhOcdk2a7f/9pTj1a8hkxC5TAqhge6uNj2zYvcw= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define a safe algorithm for changing CID in response to a change in CID (#1795) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba9b72d8049f_2bb23fa5794d45b4480748"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 04:18:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba9b72d8049f_2bb23fa5794d45b4480748 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FWIW, my view is that each endpoint maintains the number of send and receive CIDs used for every 5-tuple (as the endpoint sees it). The endpoint starts sending a new CID when the number of CIDs being received on that 5-tuple exceeds the number of CIDs that it has already sent. I assume that such an approach is not difficult to implement now that we have `RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID` frames. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1795#issuecomment-424202322 ----==_mimepart_5ba9b72d8049f_2bb23fa5794d45b4480748 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

FWIW, my view is that each endpoint maintains the number of send and r= eceive CIDs used for every 5-tuple (as the endpoint sees it). The endpoin= t starts sending a new CID when the number of CIDs being received on that= 5-tuple exceeds the number of CIDs that it has already sent.

I assume that such an approach is not difficult to implement now that = we have RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames.

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= ----==_mimepart_5ba9b72d8049f_2bb23fa5794d45b4480748-- From nobody Mon Sep 24 23:01:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1729131127 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:01:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3B-ut_I4vsPE for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:01:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DCA5613107E for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2018 23:01:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537855267; bh=bvGZr73DluR3PsFxMLFuUvNB9hpu8wFZAMEQ/dUOx84=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zb04SZaErubl23DlIH2GE/kaGQH4Ud8U9SUAvZzUI4u2z5c8hf5orQsyvmQTFUa9u +vDV6SFGqig2zFMcBA5ab3GLIUuFcJfA6v7n550n9LTSFLGUkTpFBInF/YJWkcBtfc N2EMUvcOO0iid1kgJlC6APzT2Rg3k1MQBKX0sYKM= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Define a safe algorithm for changing CID in response to a change in CID (#1795) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5ba9cf23a7998_5ac23f8e740d45c0748836"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 06:01:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5ba9cf23a7998_5ac23f8e740d45c0748836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm slightly worried that some ill-advised an endpoint might spam the other endpoint with endless IDs that are being naively stored by the peer instead of retired causing a targeted or involuntary DoS attack. Even if the peer retires the IDs timely, it might not have credits to get rid of them. Of course, defense is to shut down bad behavior, but perhaps it should be considered in an advisory algorithm. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1795#issuecomment-424217202 ----==_mimepart_5ba9cf23a7998_5ac23f8e740d45c0748836 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm slightly worried that some ill-advised an endpoint might spam the = other endpoint with endless IDs that are being naively stored by the peer= instead of retired causing a targeted or involuntary DoS attack. Even if= the peer retires the IDs timely, it might not have credits to get rid of= them. Of course, defense is to shut down bad behavior, but perhaps it sh= ould be considered in an advisory algorithm.

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What if the Intial packet with token needs to be sent again because of suspected packet loss?
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It seems odd to put connection migration so early when things like Sen= ding and Acknowledging packets is much later(though having those adjacent= I think makes sense). Is there a reason connection migration needs to b= e that early, such as it's introducing text used later?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -465,10 +465,9 @@ and lower encryption levels than the current encryption level used by TLS.
 
 In particular, server implementations need to be able to read packets at the
 Handshake encryption level before the final TLS handshake message at the 0-RTT

What's the final TLS handshake message at the 0-RTT encryption level? Overall, I'm not sure what this paragraph is trying to add to the previous one.

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----==_mimepart_5ba9e5a768cf4_61a23ff69dcd45b41609a8-- From nobody Tue Sep 25 02:54:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C2FE131285 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 02:54:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.009 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.009 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2AXWJ8QVKgJ for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 02:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FA5E131255 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 02:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 02:54:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537869259; bh=s/mk9PPb7Zr8uPlBAPS5CejMY/offZphW+rr1muf2W4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wY2VfeA6CiPqIh4eKRMii17UtRw6nokSATaJLdirJrEpWcQ2wOVkIT45eT42RDPrF CAmeuYKDLK3neaPUkiv87r/zXYErQT2Gub7YDqeqILZ/3lW3iIgBzrkOM59X0ryI6u 7f8Slw+bn0fSNVfQ2KG/lP+Yol1HcM6UtXtdEDs8= From: mirjak Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Restructure document (#411) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baa05cb16e44_73f13fe3794d45bc305363"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mirjak X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 09:54:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baa05cb16e44_73f13fe3794d45bc305363 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I guess you will also need to have the "Packets and Frame" section much earlier in the doc and I would think that the "Short and Long Headers" might be a subsection of that...? Also "Packet Size" might also be rather a subsection somewhere. However, I also have to say that the split in the current doc between section 5 "Frames and Frame Types" and 7 "Frame Types and Formats" is rather awkward, so I not sure I would recommend to keep it that way but maybe that's currently rather an editorial issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/411#issuecomment-424279558 ----==_mimepart_5baa05cb16e44_73f13fe3794d45bc305363 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I wrote this based on 'two full-sized packets' equalling a fixed 2400 bytes. QUIC could send immediate acks for non-full-sized packets, but that's not what TCP does. I could base it on the connection's packet size, but that requires the receiver to monitor the sender's max packet size, which made me a bit concerned? 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I wrote this based on 'two full-sized packets' equalling a fixed 2400 bytes. QUIC could send immediate acks for non-full-sized packets, but that's not what TCP does. I could base it on the connection's packet size, but that requires the receiver to monitor the sender's max packet size, which made me a bit concerned? Advice on how to ensure sender and receiver agree on packet size would be appreciated. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1796 -- Commit Summary -- * Ack Delay and TLP -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (50) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1796.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1796.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Fixes some remaining issues now that QUIC recommends sending an ACK every two packets, mostly involving reverting to the TCP style TLP calculation.

I wrote this based on 'two full-sized packets' equalling a fixed 2400 bytes. QUIC could send immediate acks for non-full-sized packets, but that's not what TCP does. I could base it on the connection's packet size, but that requires the receiver to monitor the sender's max packet size, which made me a bit concerned?

Advice on how to ensure sender and receiver agree on packet size would be appreciated.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1796

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -834,8 +827,13 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
       timeout = timeout * (2 ^ rto_count)
       if (tlp_count < kMaxTLPs):
         // Tail Loss Probe
-        tlp_timeout = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt
-                           + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+        if (bytes_in_flight < 2400):
+          // Less than one full-sized packet in flight.
+          tlp_timeout = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt

Should the comment here be Less than two full-sized packets in flight?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -834,8 +827,13 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows:
       timeout = timeout * (2 ^ rto_count)
       if (tlp_count < kMaxTLPs):
         // Tail Loss Probe
-        tlp_timeout = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt
-                           + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+        if (bytes_in_flight < 2400):
+          // Less than one full-sized packet in flight.
+          tlp_timeout = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt
+                              + max_ack_delay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+        else:
+          tlp_timeout = max(1.5 * smoothed_rtt,

I believe the 1.5 here should be 2 according to the text you have above.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -365,7 +352,11 @@ receiver.
 The timer duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following
 conditions:
 
-* PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(1.5*SRTT+MaxAckDelay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+* If less than 2400 bytes are in flight, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for

Having this somewhat magic number here just feels weird. This is the number of bytes 'we, locally' have in flight right? So don't we know our current sending MTU? Can't it just be two times that?

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@nibanks requested changes on this pull request.

Why is the design such that the client validates instead of the server? Can we not have such a design where the client updates its TP to include the original CID, and the server validates this? It is the one that knows if it expected a Retry or not. In the case of a completely independent DoS protection device, that the server wants to allow for, it doesn't necessarily know the original CID, and could then just generally allow any changes. I just think the server should be the one doing the validation, as it know the deployment state; not the client.

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Section 7.15 of the current editor's draft states:

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To put it another way, if an endpoint wants to abruptly discard a bidi= rectional stream that it has opened, it needs to either:

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  • bundle an empty STREAM frame (offset=3D0, len=3D0, FIN not set) when = sending a STOP_SENDING frame

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Should I move to 2* kMaxDatagramSize?

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -365,7 +352,11 @@ receiver.
 The timer duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following
 conditions:
 
-* PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(1.5*SRTT+MaxAckDelay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+* If less than 2400 bytes are in flight, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for

Yes, but the receiver needs to know the current. Should I reference kMaxDatagramSize and call that close enough? I'm fairly concerned that if that changes over the course of the connection, the sender and receiver will not act predictably.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -365,7 +352,11 @@ receiver.
 The timer duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following
 conditions:
 
-* PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(1.5*SRTT+MaxAckDelay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+* If less than 2400 bytes are in flight, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for

So, is the receiver acknowledging based on byte count or packet count? I thought it was packet count. If so, then it seems to reason, the sender should do the same here.

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That sounds good. We can stipulate that a packet MUST always contain at= least 3 octets of frames. Adding a couple of padding octets is probably a= good idea.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -365,7 +352,11 @@ receiver.
 The timer duration, or Probe Timeout (PTO), is set based on the following
 conditions:
 
-* PTO SHOULD be scheduled for max(1.5*SRTT+MaxAckDelay, kMinTLPTimeout)
+* If less than 2400 bytes are in flight, PTO SHOULD be scheduled for

My understanding is that TCP waits for 2 full-sized packets, so I was trying to specify something similar to that in bytes. The issue here becomes what constitutes a full-sized packet if the packet size changes? Maybe keeping a max received packet size is reasonable?

We can add a packet count, but it's yet another variable to track and I don't think receiving two tiny packets would cause an immediate ACK in TCP, so I wouldn't expect it to in QUIC.

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Seems reasonable. Do you think that you could make a PR for this? I assume that you want to limit this to bidirectional streams. We don't want STOP_SENDING to be used as a means of using unidirectional streams.

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However, any tampering with the parameters will cause the handshake to fail. +Endpoints MUST NOT send this extension in a TLS connection that does not use +QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}). A fatal +unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent if this extension is received when the +transport is not QUIC. + + +## Removing the EndOfEarlyData Message {#remove-eoed} + +Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension also modifies TLS to remove +the EndOfEarlyData message. QUIC does not rely on this message to mark the end My preference goes to simply stating that we do not use EOED in QUIC, rather than stating that the use of a particular extension signals the omission (I assume that is what @siyengar suggested). My read is that the proposed text expects the stacks to be implemented in either of the following two ways, which seems like an unnecessary complication to me: * making TLS stacks depend on an extension defined outside of TLS * let the server-side QUIC stack modify the flag of the TLS stack (signaling the omission) when it processes ClientHello -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1792#pullrequestreview-158673698 ----==_mimepart_5baa793e1b08c_7623fc1bb2d45bc2069bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1107,6 +1107,21 @@ of the handshake, they cannot be fully trusted until the handshake completes,
 and reliance on them should be minimized.  However, any tampering with the
 parameters will cause the handshake to fail.
 
+Endpoints MUST NOT send this extension in a TLS connection that does not use
+QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
+unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent if this extension is received when the
+transport is not QUIC.
+
+
+## Removing the EndOfEarlyData Message {#remove-eoed}
+
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension also modifies TLS to remove
+the EndOfEarlyData message.  QUIC does not rely on this message to mark the end

My preference goes to simply stating that we do not use EOED in QUIC, rather than stating that the use of a particular extension signals the omission (I assume that is what @siyengar suggested).

My read is that the proposed text expects the stacks to be implemented in either of the following two ways, which seems like an unnecessary complication to me:

  • making TLS stacks depend on an extension defined outside of TLS
  • let the server-side QUIC stack modify the flag of the TLS stack (signaling the omission) when it processes ClientHello

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Yes. This should be limited to bidirectional streams. I'll try to come up with a PR.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just so we have options. As suggested by @kazuho. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1798 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove EndOfEarlyData from TLS * CRYPTO can't appear at 0-RTT any more * Discarding 0-RTT keys is more complicated now * Don't allow this with TCP * Snafu regarding 0-RTT and handshake interleaving * Don't tie EOED removal to the extension -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (48) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1798.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1798.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1798 ----==_mimepart_5baa7c631cc06_10b43ffa6f4d45b440691b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Just so we have options.

As suggested by @kazuho.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1798

Commit Summary

  • Remove EndOfEarlyData from TLS
  • CRYPTO can't appear at 0-RTT any more
  • Discarding 0-RTT keys is more complicated now
  • Don't allow this with TCP
  • Snafu regarding 0-RTT and handshake interleaving
  • Don't tie EOED removal to the extension

File Changes

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1107,6 +1107,21 @@ of the handshake, they cannot be fully trusted until the handshake completes,
 and reliance on them should be minimized.  However, any tampering with the
 parameters will cause the handshake to fail.
 
+Endpoints MUST NOT send this extension in a TLS connection that does not use
+QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
+unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent if this extension is received when the
+transport is not QUIC.
+
+
+## Removing the EndOfEarlyData Message {#remove-eoed}
+
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension also modifies TLS to remove
+the EndOfEarlyData message.  QUIC does not rely on this message to mark the end

I share those thoughts - while it is unlikely that a random TCP connection would send a QUIC extension, QUIC cannot mandate what other protocols should and should not do. Furthermore, a QUIC client might not know for sure that what the other end supports, and even if it thinks that it does, the might not remain true after a random intern pushed the wrong button.

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@martinthomson I agree, my concern is only that this might not be obvious to implementers - in that they could kill an entire server instead of just a connection if not careful. It's a balance on how much advice to give.

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Some small suggestions that may apply to the other PR as well. > @@ -656,13 +655,14 @@ all the acknowledgements necessary to reach the same state. After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have -been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. To limit the effect of -packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection -keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current -Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames -at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new -packets require acknowledgment. +been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. For 0-RTT keys, which do not +carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with The 0-RTT timer can be much more aggressive than 3 * RTO, since nothing now ever needs to be retransmitted at 0-RTT, it can always be sent with 1-RTT keys instead. > @@ -656,13 +655,14 @@ all the acknowledgements necessary to reach the same state. After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have -been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. To limit the effect of -packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection -keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current -Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames -at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new -packets require acknowledgment. +been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. For 0-RTT keys, which do not +carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with +1-RTT are sent or received. To limit the effect of packet loss around a change +in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection keys for that encryption level +for at least three times the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as +defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. Retaining keys for this interval allows packets I think the key goal here is allowing retransmitted CRYPTO data to be acknowledged with the correct encryption level? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1798#pullrequestreview-158718706 ----==_mimepart_5baa93ba8e178_56a23fe302ed45c0127266b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Some small suggestions that may apply to the other PR as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,14 @@ all the acknowledgements necessary to reach the same state.
 
 After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all
 expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have
-been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  To limit the effect of
-packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection
-keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current
-Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
-Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames
-at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new
-packets require acknowledgment.
+been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  For 0-RTT keys, which do not
+carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with

The 0-RTT timer can be much more aggressive than 3 * RTO, since nothing now ever needs to be retransmitted at 0-RTT, it can always be sent with 1-RTT keys instead.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,14 @@ all the acknowledgements necessary to reach the same state.
 
 After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all
 expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have
-been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  To limit the effect of
-packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection
-keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current
-Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
-Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames
-at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new
-packets require acknowledgment.
+been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  For 0-RTT keys, which do not
+carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with
+1-RTT are sent or received.  To limit the effect of packet loss around a change
+in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection keys for that encryption level
+for at least three times the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as
+defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  Retaining keys for this interval allows packets

I think the key goal here is allowing retransmitted CRYPTO data to be acknowledged with the correct encryption level?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -621,10 +621,19 @@ packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The
 client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include
 the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}).
 
+The Initial packet sent by the client in response to a Retry packet is subject
+to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet, with the exception of the
+value of the Destination Connection ID and Token fields, which are set as
+described here.  A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message
+or construct a new one at its discretion.  Any subsequent Initial packets from
+the client MUST use the same connection ID values, and MUST NOT include the

I thought the Retry now must change the CID?

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To clarify, the server can't generate a retry itself IF there's also a DoS device in front of it. If the DoS device is the server, I don't see why that wouldn't work?

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To be specific, the server can't generate a Retry if the DoS device already generated one. If the DoS device is only present some of the time, the those other times, the server can still do it.

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----==_mimepart_5baa9e515c4e6_536a3fcb9fed45b8183657-- From nobody Tue Sep 25 14:09:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 685AD130DCE for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i_erg05MRHGe for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o11.sgmail.github.com (o11.sgmail.github.com [167.89.101.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45984130DC6 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=heY0h1Vjy9DLLeuIioa0dFxEcAM=; b=sQYZj4ofWz6EQfyV UPUz5zr8XCrdtg+8RLLpLnBA7khhDreBJF16b/zu2H+/04s4rlbP6mFAwk5Tcq0N 7ryyqQK1WFnElnE+M7lwXCjW7zWUYO304tBK0hGj2EJ2AfjcKxyS0pp64lMVVL27 MD9WzHM/4Opr9mik800N5LjnycY= Received: by filter1287p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1287p1mdw1-7550-5BAAA40C-8 2018-09-25 21:09:32.271913064 +0000 UTC m=+10643.505656334 Received: from github-lowworker-5909e27.cp1-iad.github.net (unknown [192.30.252.35]) by ismtpd0017p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id VLe8HeLqSk2ll2fxdyomLA for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:09:32.599 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-5909e27.cp1-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ED713E0A97 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:09:32 +0000 (UTC) From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The server needs to acknowledge that a Retry happened (#1793) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baaa40c3c821_d1d3fc775ad45b831121c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3DrcPxTXHe9zUYkXCaR6R/74jIlJ2c63FKbZ tv+g9VrU7c0WZwDsomAZTr3KSWjbHmtMwc8yW2XJarSN6+TJAGhD4jwu0Bo2PMqRL1RNz29XrPjsy2 inV2yTuKHDF9/5+O81XIkZ3ap8MyouFYJrM69YU16b074HoyF+MmCaFgs2BW7WeKrin+7Hvgl5ohIb M= Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:09:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baaa40c3c821_d1d3fc775ad45b831121c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Why is the design such that the client validates instead of the server? It creates the right incentives. This way, server implementations can't cheap out and not implement the check or coordination. If servers didn't check, middleboxes could come to rely on them not checking. That leads to Retry coming from middleboxes, which I heard pretty firmly that we don't want. Given how easy this is to manage with a tiny bit of coordination (Azure could simply publish their scheme for encoding the connection ID into the token, for instance), this scheme seems like the best way to avoid that class of problem. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1793#issuecomment-424502381 ----==_mimepart_5baaa40c3c821_d1d3fc775ad45b831121c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Why is the design such that the client validates instead of the server?<= /p>

It creates the right incentives. This way, server implementations can't= cheap out and not implement the check or coordination. If servers didn't = check, middleboxes could come to rely on them not checking. That leads to = Retry coming from middleboxes, which I heard pretty firmly that we don't wa= nt.

Given how easy this is to manage with a tiny bit of coordination (Azure = could simply publish their scheme for encoding the connection ID into the t= oken, for instance), this scheme seems like the best way to avoid that clas= s of problem.

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= ----==_mimepart_5baaa40c3c821_d1d3fc775ad45b831121c-- From nobody Tue Sep 25 14:09:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77EEA130DC6 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Up7QY-bDeRcf for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 832C2126BED for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:09:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537909780; bh=2nt5T5tRkIKnp8dUHrXkzShVegdD5RmfKf2jKdmUhdQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QUFlSnvKoTAuXVyQwje9CL5L6urnuIIn/nb/l9BY5/pzDXcn9+c9CluXOZCH3vkGC 5glAlZBesMQ5iE13Of4MSvR1E2J++7VJ6Bi7/G+RLQNTC28rZZO24gWry9uVRCc7CW QiEQJQpLqi0/Im7r23sDR8dSfhpZUCFzbQnc9mvI= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow servers to omit version negotiation in response to 0-RTT packets. (#1758) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baaa41445c82_35653ff8710d45b8106376"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 21:09:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baaa41445c82_35653ff8710d45b8106376 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a corner-case of a corner-case. In the general case, if you don't recognize the client's proposed version, you have to send VN because you can't interpret anything about it and the spec says that you SHOULD NOT try. But here, you know the version you've received well enough to know what packet types you don't want to send VN in response to, but you don't actually speak that version. To me, that sounds like a version that's been deprecated for security reasons; outside of that, you either know a version or you don't. I'd agree with Martin, the right framing here is that servers aren't required to send VN in response to every packet, but are allowed to use heuristics to limit the number they send. That could be based on packet type if it knows but refuses to speak the version, or by having a short-lived cache of client IP/ports to which you've recently send VN packets, etc. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1758#issuecomment-424502413 ----==_mimepart_5baaa41445c82_35653ff8710d45b8106376 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is a corner-case of a corner-case. In the general case, if you d= on't recognize the client's proposed version, you have to send VN because= you can't interpret anything about it and the spec says that you SHOULD = NOT try. But here, you know the version you've received well enough to k= now what packet types you don't want to send VN in response to, but you d= on't actually speak that version. To me, that sounds like a version that= 's been deprecated for security reasons; outside of that, you either know= a version or you don't.

I'd agree with Martin, the right framing here is that servers aren't r= equired to send VN in response to every packet, but are allowed to use he= uristics to limit the number they send. That could be based on packet ty= pe if it knows but refuses to speak the version, or by having a short-liv= ed cache of client IP/ports to which you've recently send VN packets, etc= .

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This can happen if a receiver receives, uses, and quickly retires a connection ID, but the sender is still retransmitting because it hasn't yet received an acknowledgment for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. A simple proposal is to add a sequence number to NEW_CONNECTION_ID, which is used in RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID. Then a receiver can easily discard old connection IDs. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1799 ----==_mimepart_5baab71cc36a4_6e363fb1c8ad45bc35753 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

to avoid a receiver accepting a retransmitted NEW_CONNECTION_ID, after the same connection ID has been retired. This can happen if a receiver receives, uses, and quickly retires a connection ID, but the sender is still retransmitting because it hasn't yet received an acknowledgment for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

A simple proposal is to add a sequence number to NEW_CONNECTION_ID, which is used in RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID. Then a receiver can easily discard old connection IDs.

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After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have -been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. To limit the effect of -packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection -keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current -Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. -Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames -at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new -packets require acknowledgment. +been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer. For 0-RTT keys, which do not +carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with I don't think that we need to special case that - as we agreed, there are optimizations that are possible, but we don't need to describe them. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,14 @@ all the acknowledgements necessary to reach the same state.
 
 After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all
 expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have
-been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  To limit the effect of
-packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection
-keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current
-Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
-Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames
-at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new
-packets require acknowledgment.
+been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  For 0-RTT keys, which do not
+carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with

I don't think that we need to special case that - as we agreed, there are optimizations that are possible, but we don't need to describe them. The trick here is that the sender/client might stop using 0-RTT, but the receiver/server can't as easily.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -656,13 +655,14 @@ all the acknowledgements necessary to reach the same state.
 
 After all CRYPTO frames for a given encryption level have been sent and all
 expected CRYPTO frames received, and all the corresponding acknowledgments have
-been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  To limit the effect of
-packet loss around a change in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection
-keys for that encryption level for at least three times the current
-Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
-Retaining keys for this interval allows packets containing CRYPTO or ACK frames
-at that encryption level to be sent if packets are determined to be lost or new
-packets require acknowledgment.
+been received or sent, an endpoint starts a timer.  For 0-RTT keys, which do not
+carry CRYPTO frames, this timer starts when the first packets protected with
+1-RTT are sent or received.  To limit the effect of packet loss around a change
+in keys, endpoints MUST retain packet protection keys for that encryption level
+for at least three times the current Retransmission Timeout (RTO) interval as
+defined in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.  Retaining keys for this interval allows packets

That's part of it, but the reordering thing matters more for key updates. I'd prefer to fix this separately, if that's OK.

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----==_mimepart_5baab80c6ab96_511f3f90082d45c4121624-- From nobody Tue Sep 25 15:35:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1192B130DF0 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snwNPQGTIRcf for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A887126F72 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1537914895; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=fIX6WUbTcwHTRud2ecoNMXfhXu/wL86EC1vxaJOa+3Y=; b=BJWIguKbPk738ZZn82erCI6VCw9cvkmgIpOobJ8KACZyJuCOz/55NocPYFpOsScAbiZcW812 ZhQ73WIpYBfKVLdD+3FXxC71U7fQY7ZGWL/pkxOslrHrcHb7tveZ+Cqql5os8U+fBmlv4WIZ bWLtCjL3glpS5HiO6GSi6HP79jQ= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.35]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5baab80f.7f7ca7fe0240-smtp-out-n03; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:34:55 -0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:54 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5baab80ef9e5_34182aefd9432ecc1612@hookshot-fe-d252ca1.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 4a58e8: Remove EndOfEarlyData from TLS Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baab80ef5eb_34182aefd9432ecc1524"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:34:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baab80ef5eb_34182aefd9432ecc1524 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 4a58e88d242f1763c113aaf90c835e10e4e567c9 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4a58e88d242f1763c113aaf90c835e10e4e567c9 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-24 (Mon, 24 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Remove EndOfEarlyData from TLS Closes #1518. Commit: 5ad418c195b37149b693ef69a107dad72db95ed0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5ad418c195b37149b693ef69a107dad72db95ed0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-24 (Mon, 24 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- CRYPTO can't appear at 0-RTT any more Commit: 05f5516145ce8378dedf9f0a0b19677ea0200803 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/05f5516145ce8378dedf9f0a0b19677ea0200803 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-24 (Mon, 24 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Discarding 0-RTT keys is more complicated now Commit: ace1ee19a3c83530e1ec32d5c330f12deb48dfe1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ace1ee19a3c83530e1ec32d5c330f12deb48dfe1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't allow this with TCP Commit: 44bc6568d55b21352228a62948d9f6560a4d86e6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/44bc6568d55b21352228a62948d9f6560a4d86e6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Snafu regarding 0-RTT and handshake interleaving Commit: 919e97cbf785d805d46181a508fb6bf5f945c1dd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/919e97cbf785d805d46181a508fb6bf5f945c1dd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Don't tie EOED removal to the extension Commit: ce389fa0dcd56cdd261382c7a653fc7bf3c6bdd6 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce389fa0dcd56cdd261382c7a653fc7bf3c6bdd6 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1798 from quicwg/remove-eoed-v2 Remove EOED v2 Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d249f5dba2b7...ce389fa0dcd5 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5baab80ef5eb_34182aefd9432ecc1524-- From nobody Tue Sep 25 15:35:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1F0F126F72 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zM0VVP8SnyNY for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCD24130DD7 for ; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 15:34:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537914897; bh=IKnEcBKOKRFceC+qRzYo7cpSsSb2EAo4N5vQh8kF98M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sbn8ORyT2ryTVeLsWEb1nMid3yHY9RZf0wD2ZsAHqLnINZjHl3ETZTVY8nvlTCoGL igydQf+njQA/kmnkV9BBxdisgnA1Fk974NYk3GUr5x+AtqeSCtcfVwPK1+4bZQjuEZ z4LSoBuioDnYBNg2HS1v5ZoxggXlJASXFB9FwkPg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove EOED v2 (#1798) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baab81126e8_2e633fd7704d45b8761ca"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 22:35:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baab81126e8_2e633fd7704d45b8761ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1798 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Token on every Initial seemed wrong, but the more I think about it, the less reason I have for rejecting it. Does anyone have a reason to remove the token?

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This is basically un-removing #1465.

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If you're going to use the proposal from NYC:

Each CID comes with a sequence number, every CID that you send must ha= ve a sequence number higher than any you've previously sent

This does not requiring anything to happen in lockstep as before, howe= ver this solves a big edge case in that you can now forget CIDs immediate= ly instead of waiting for 3xRTO when you retire them, since any NEW_CONNE= CTION_ID frame crossing paths with the retirement frame will contain a se= quence number. Instead, you just remember the highest sequence number NEW= _CONNECTION_ID that you've RETIRED.

For example:
Peer sends NEW_CONNECTION_ID and you use it, then immediately retire it w= ith RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID.
Ack of NEW_CONNECTION_ID gets lost.
RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame is still in flight when the peer retransmits N= EW_CONNECTION_ID.
If you've got a sequence number you can keep track of the highest sequenc= e that you've gotten and, since this one will not advance the sequence nu= mber, you can safely ignore the duplicate NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame.

Note the distinction between received and retired se= quence number, since if you keep track of received sequence numb= er for dropping new ones, then reordering between NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame= s can cause you to ignore some of them when you shouldn't.

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Added a few explicit statements about how TCP-TLS and QUIC-TLS differ. Synced with the transport draft about which frames are allowed in which contexts.

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Fixes #1778

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The change fixes #1797, and also clarifies that deferring the allocation of stream ID while in "Ready" state does not apply to pere-initated bidi streams.

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  • sending part of bidi stream initiated by peer starts from "Send" state
  • update the diagram accordingly
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Empty STREAM frames are allowed as of draft-11.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bab2fcd9085b_7b673fd008cd45c01098f8-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 01:18:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67D0C130E0E for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 01:18:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l9YkjUnamU2z for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 01:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2857130DC2 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 01:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 01:18:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537949880; bh=h6U7/POxojMZfH4Z/WhKHi/8OGs6yyYLc5gWRWR+QfE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Wa446jboRDWGkyaw7cDc0ozu0pXUto4KKM66xmpfqWyhGjcO3AbEXzuNqoZief4WW epmMs0mf04OykRiiLiKVNYhWm04zIlz4X6R5/oI6VJQf+fI3l40sY6Y+agjcAnINEv /TKIBWB7/VWemZLrVRrC3xDiqcMDYvxLPCKXhdFY= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bab40b8d4dba_665a3f8258cd45b468176f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:18:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bab40b8d4dba_665a3f8258cd45b468176f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is common practice to use error code of zero as a non-error. We follow the practice in the transport draft. However, we enforce the application protocol bindings to adopt a different practice by stating that application error code of zero is mapped to STOPPING, which indicates that a stream has been reset in response to a STOP_SENDING frame. This is IMO counterintuitive and would be a source of confusion. I proposed to renumber the error code for STOPPING to something other than zero (possibly to one). PS. The other way is to let stacks send zero (indicating non-error) in a RST_STREAM frame in response to STOP_SENDING. However, I think that is not the right solution because reset is an abnormal way of closing a stream. In other words, zero should be reserved for streams being shutdown using FIN. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804 ----==_mimepart_5bab40b8d4dba_665a3f8258cd45b468176f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It is common practice to use error code of zero as a non-error. We follow the practice in the transport draft.

However, we enforce the application protocol bindings to adopt a different practice by stating that application error code of zero is mapped to STOPPING, which indicates that a stream has been reset in response to a STOP_SENDING frame.

This is IMO counterintuitive and would be a source of confusion. I proposed to renumber the error code for STOPPING to something other than zero (possibly to one).

PS. The other way is to let stacks send zero (indicating non-error) in a RST_STREAM frame in response to STOP_SENDING. However, I think that is not the right solution because reset is an abnormal way of closing a stream. In other words, zero should be reserved for streams being shutdown using FIN.

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Yes, and at the same time reserve 0 to mean OK.

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Good suggestion, it would make sense if 0 always meant NO_ERROR or something equivalent.

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Why does the transport need to know what the stream error codes mean at all? If we get a STOP_SENDING, we just need to RST_STREAM. Why does the error code meaning even matter? I'd personally like to not have any assumptions for these values.

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It doesn't, but establishing a convention makes it much easier to write generic API's that do not know about application logic.

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----==_mimepart_5bab8c95cf416_17e83f96048d45bc7628b-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 07:00:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15344130E65 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3oFtVYvNKiS4 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 12FA2124BE5 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:00:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537970405; bh=X6RmwF5+M6IoRUo7Sq/o8wi+GDlzeWSkHV4G+WO9g1M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Kw/ePQhO0KKeEQspKGfBCqIxQWTwOykrUxEYqNfiuyo3iPItmMGFN/BomtQCc26z9 1gDtQXXrwOJ1omPLPYGLee5C2p5iNT1vGKnHcRc1Cq2DsWeWxR66dH/YqX5e9e1fkK B7BCqSWw7vxN4LnigTaniq8H/pqwLBIR+LVhVMJU= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bab90e532f50_33333fc313ad45c44545b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:00:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bab90e532f50_33333fc313ad45c44545b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For the API, the error code should be purely passthrough, IMO. The app layer on one side shuts the stream down with an error code and the app layer on the other side is delivered the error code. No need at all to interpret it at a lower layer. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-424725842 ----==_mimepart_5bab90e532f50_33333fc313ad45c44545b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

For the API, the error code should be purely passthrough, IMO. The app layer on one side shuts the stream down with an error code and the app layer on the other side is delivered the error code. No need at all to interpret it at a lower layer.

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Unless you want to represent the error code as an exception, or as non-nil in go, or conventially as nonzero in C.

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----==_mimepart_5bab9699f2110_4e033fe8e08d45c4112001d-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 07:44:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCB7C130E73 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LrizTtSW7_Uz for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08E81130DCB for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 07:44:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537973077; bh=GV+MBJepoWESkVEQu92MV5z6z7+yZGpztiF2I2Y2QeY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iGhJdEWbzRVTNrQ+nQuB1oQ6lLWZ22VUcuNMJhr2C5rfytyu1+7ARPXotCsf6keJE jtfDiWpFDOiphx8nBG8mBaqe1zjgZPszVG8LFYLCcfuqSLDwyVkMdRQ8rNm3LM0nZ1 fHcEZRCm4obQqZ9iSxu+VNiuKexwoiMXNKEowU2s= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bab9b55d5871_6a7a3fdc16ad45bc216943"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bab9b55d5871_6a7a3fdc16ad45bc216943 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The app might have many 'success' error codes or use some bit field or anything... The API shouldn't make any assumptions. IMO, the app should just get an indication that the peer reset the stream, and here is the error code they provided. If you go the exception route, any time the reset happens you throw an exception that just contains the raw error code. You don't want your API not to support some protocol that was initially written on one API that allows for any value, because you made some assumption that gets broken. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-424741891 ----==_mimepart_5bab9b55d5871_6a7a3fdc16ad45bc216943 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The app might have many 'success' error codes or use some bit field or= anything... The API shouldn't make any assumptions. IMO, the app should = just get an indication that the peer reset the stream, and here is the er= ror code they provided. If you go the exception route, any time the reset= happens you throw an exception that just contains the raw error code. Yo= u don't want your API not to support some protocol that was initially wri= tten on one API that allows for any value, because you made some assumpti= on that gets broken.

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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baba5c392be3_75ed2ab739430ec019335"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:29:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baba5c392be3_75ed2ab739430ec019335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/initial-token Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: c921b425065d330efad8c8d353d0f67f099a09a0 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c921b425065d330efad8c8d353d0f67f099a09a0 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Not clear which 'same' this meant. **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5baba5c392be3_75ed2ab739430ec019335-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 08:36:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98BB9130EBA for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:36:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7jAGedACH7Ad for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF2B6130EAB for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 08:36:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537976189; bh=W7xAKWPGXW6WEExDRlzC5p5l2Cn8938AamWQd7I+lYc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YPJyDlh2FhW3ALDE4QtRVwq1wWwkjWKPcDvAgwL22DH4zj0/BYjZ7ORyTQFBrlrFu hsJqApa1FS6+EPqfyCDUGvqLDZ4Xuw+Uq6xpMn6Clu7Zl9sSjPCXWGfkxRJ7ywN8tN 7/wjATE4Ebnq282WlSdR67T6k/Crhf7Nqo2pOd8A= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Include a token on all Initial packets (#1794) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baba77d61ba4_2e843fd8042d45bc1867f3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 15:36:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baba77d61ba4_2e843fd8042d45bc1867f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > @@ -621,10 +621,19 @@ packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}). +The Initial packet sent by the client in response to a Retry packet is subject +to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet, with the exception of the +value of the Destination Connection ID and Token fields, which are set as +described here. A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message +or construct a new one at its discretion. Any subsequent Initial packets from +the client MUST use the same connection ID values, and MUST NOT include the Yeah, I meant "same as the one from the Retry" clarified. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -621,10 +621,19 @@ packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The
 client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include
 the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}).
 
+The Initial packet sent by the client in response to a Retry packet is subject
+to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet, with the exception of the
+value of the Destination Connection ID and Token fields, which are set as
+described here.  A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message
+or construct a new one at its discretion.  Any subsequent Initial packets from
+the client MUST use the same connection ID values, and MUST NOT include the

Yeah, I meant "same as the one from the Retry" clarified.

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I might have done a more thorough renumber, but this is a nice minimal change. We can kick around the renumbering thing later. > Gap and ACK Block fields use a relative integer encoding for efficiency. Though each encoded value is positive, the values are subtracted, so that each ACK Block describes progressively lower-numbered packets. As long as contiguous ranges of packets are small, the variable-length integer encoding ensures that each range can be expressed in a small number of octets. +The ACK frame uses the least significant bit(type=0x1b) to indicate ECN feedback "bit (that is, type 0x1b)" > @@ -3374,9 +3373,11 @@ Application Error Code: ## ACK Frame {#frame-ack} -Receivers send ACK frames (type=0x0d) to inform senders which packets they have -received and processed. The ACK frame contains any number of ACK blocks. -ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets. +Receivers send ACK frames (types=0x1a - 0x1b) to inform senders of packets they (types 0x1a and 0x1b) > @@ -3374,9 +3373,11 @@ Application Error Code: ## ACK Frame {#frame-ack} -Receivers send ACK frames (type=0x0d) to inform senders which packets they have -received and processed. The ACK frame contains any number of ACK blocks. -ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets. +Receivers send ACK frames (types=0x1a - 0x1b) to inform senders of packets they +have received and processed. The ACK frame contains one or more ACK blocks. ACK should we be capitalizing the B in ACK Blocks? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I might have done a more thorough renumber, but this is a nice minimal change. We can kick around the renumbering thing later.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
 Gap and ACK Block fields use a relative integer encoding for efficiency.  Though
 each encoded value is positive, the values are subtracted, so that each ACK
 Block describes progressively lower-numbered packets.  As long as contiguous
 ranges of packets are small, the variable-length integer encoding ensures that
 each range can be expressed in a small number of octets.
 
+The ACK frame uses the least significant bit(type=0x1b) to indicate ECN feedback

"bit (that is, type 0x1b)"

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3374,9 +3373,11 @@ Application Error Code:
 
 ## ACK Frame {#frame-ack}
 
-Receivers send ACK frames (type=0x0d) to inform senders which packets they have
-received and processed. The ACK frame contains any number of ACK blocks.
-ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
+Receivers send ACK frames (types=0x1a - 0x1b) to inform senders of packets they

(types 0x1a and 0x1b)

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3374,9 +3373,11 @@ Application Error Code:
 
 ## ACK Frame {#frame-ack}
 
-Receivers send ACK frames (type=0x0d) to inform senders which packets they have
-received and processed. The ACK frame contains any number of ACK blocks.
-ACK blocks are ranges of acknowledged packets.
+Receivers send ACK frames (types=0x1a - 0x1b) to inform senders of packets they
+have received and processed. The ACK frame contains one or more ACK blocks. ACK

should we be capitalizing the B in ACK Blocks?

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When TLS provides handshake octets to be sent, they are appended to the current flow and any packet that includes the CRYPTO frame is protected using keys from the corresponding encryption level. +Unlike its operations with TCP, the TLS bytestream is never separately +encrypted and decrypted. This operation only occurs on the QUIC packet as a +whole. I know what you are saying, but it's equally confusing because it's not clear what the TLS bytestream is. For QUIC, it's the sequence of TLS handshake messages, but TLS has other concepts that could be considered to be a bytestream: the sequence of TLS records (unencrypted), or the sequence of protected TLS records could very much be considered to be a bytestream. Maybe the right thing to say here is that "QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of CRYPTO frames. Encapsulation of these messages in protected TLS records does not happen. QUIC assembles CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet protection." But isn't that written down elsewhere? > @@ -320,14 +322,17 @@ Each encryption level has a specific list of frames which may appear in it. The rules here generalize those of TLS, in that frames associated with establishing the connection can usually appear at any encryption level, whereas those associated with transferring data can only appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT -encryption levels +encryption levels. I think you want a colon: > @@ -161,6 +161,9 @@ series of typed TLS records. Records are individually cryptographically protected and then transmitted over a reliable transport (typically TCP) which provides sequencing and guaranteed delivery. +Note that Change Cipher Spec records, optional in TLS over TCP, have no +encoding for TLS over QUIC. I would say simply "Change Cipher Spec records cannot be sent in QUIC." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -387,6 +392,10 @@ peer in CRYPTO frames. When TLS provides handshake octets to be sent, they are
 appended to the current flow and any packet that includes the CRYPTO frame is
 protected using keys from the corresponding encryption level.
 
+Unlike its operations with TCP, the TLS bytestream is never separately
+encrypted and decrypted. This operation only occurs on the QUIC packet as a
+whole.

I know what you are saying, but it's equally confusing because it's not clear what the TLS bytestream is. For QUIC, it's the sequence of TLS handshake messages, but TLS has other concepts that could be considered to be a bytestream: the sequence of TLS records (unencrypted), or the sequence of protected TLS records could very much be considered to be a bytestream.

Maybe the right thing to say here is that "QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of CRYPTO frames. Encapsulation of these messages in protected TLS records does not happen. QUIC assembles CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet protection."

But isn't that written down elsewhere?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -320,14 +322,17 @@ Each encryption level has a specific list of frames which may appear in it. The
 rules here generalize those of TLS, in that frames associated with establishing
 the connection can usually appear at any encryption level, whereas those
 associated with transferring data can only appear in the 0-RTT and 1-RTT
-encryption levels
+encryption levels.

I think you want a colon:

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -161,6 +161,9 @@ series of typed TLS records. Records are individually cryptographically
 protected and then transmitted over a reliable transport (typically TCP) which
 provides sequencing and guaranteed delivery.
 
+Note that Change Cipher Spec records, optional in TLS over TCP, have no
+encoding for TLS over QUIC.

I would say simply "Change Cipher Spec records cannot be sent in QUIC."

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@nibanks Am I correct in assuming= that you are only opposed to defining in the transport draft th= at the app_error_code of zero means NO_ERROR, and not opposed to= changing STOPPING to some value other than zero?

IMO we can certainly leave the former up to each application protocol.=

However the latter needs to be defined in the transport spec. due to t= he fact being that STOP_SENDING is an transport feature. We = need to define an error code that indicates that a stream has been reset = due to that frame being received. And considering the fact that HQ is goi= ng to have a NO_ERROR code, it is better to leave zero for NO_ERROR (note= also that HTTP/2 defines NO_ERROR as zero).

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I decided against the big renumber. I thought it'd be best done interactively by 2 or 3 people together.

Block wasn't consistently capitalized, so I made it so everywhere.

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Ideally, I'd leave the entire space for the application layer. I just = looked through the spec and it receiver of a RST_STREAM with STOPPING err= or code doesn't seem to do anything special, compared to receiving a RST_= STREAM with any other error code. The goal of the STOP_SENDING frame is j= ust to get your peer to RST_STREAM the stream. The best I could come up w= ith is that if you get a STOPPING error code, you don't pass that up to t= he app layer directly, and internally just treat it as a confirmation of = your STOP_SENDING. But, at least with my implementation, if the app layer= has already shutdown it's receive direction on a stream, and I receive a= ny RST_STREAM, I never indicate the event up, because it was shutdown loc= ally first. With that design, the actual error code becomes irrelevant.

That being said, if someone comes up with a valid reason to keep a spe= cific STOPPING error code, I'd prefer to use 0xFFFF instead of 0, 1 or an= y other value.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks Thank you for the clarification. > That being said, if someone comes up with a valid reason to keep a specific STOPPING error code, I'd prefer to use 0xFFFF instead of 0, 1 or any other value. Regarding the need for STOPPING as an error code, my preference is to use the HQ draft as an example. In HQ, we need to distinguish between an ordinary close (i.e. closed by FIN) and a reset, because only the former is cacheable. We also need to transmit the reason of a reset (i.e. app_error_code of RST_STREAM). Also, it is understanding is that it is not uncommon for operators to log how the streams were closed, for debugging and statistical analysis of the service quality. Considering these aspects, the following three ways of closing a response need to be distinguishable: * a) ordinary close * b) reset by client (i.e. STOP_SENDING) * c) reset by server (has many error codes) In practice, it would be appreciated if we could use a single integer to indicate all three ways of closing. We can use `NO_ERROR` (which we already have in the HQ spec) for _a_. We have various error codes for _c_. Considering that, it would be natural to have a special error code within the 16-bit integer space for _b_, which is the `STOPPING` error code. Regarding code point, my strong preference goes to using some value other than zero (hence this issue). I oppose to using 0xffxx, because the range is define as for private use in the transport error codes, and becasue I prefer not to have contradicting conventions in the transport and application binding. But any other value is fine for me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-424790318 ----==_mimepart_5babb92bf252b_22b93fdafcad45b4530d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@nibanks Thank you for the clarif= ication.

That being said, if someone comes up with a valid reason to keep a spe= cific STOPPING error code, I'd prefer to use 0xFFFF instead of 0, 1 or an= y other value.

Regarding the need for STOPPING as an error code, my preference is to = use the HQ draft as an example.

In HQ, we need to distinguish between an ordinary close (i.e. closed b= y FIN) and a reset, because only the former is cacheable. We also need to= transmit the reason of a reset (i.e. app_error_code of RST_STREAM). Also= , it is understanding is that it is not uncommon for operators to log how= the streams were closed, for debugging and statistical analysis of the s= ervice quality.

Considering these aspects, the following three ways of closing a respo= nse need to be distinguishable:

  • a) ordinary close
  • b) reset by client (i.e. STOP_SENDING)
  • c) reset by server (has many error codes)

In practice, it would be appreciated if we could use a single integer = to indicate all three ways of closing. We can use NO_ERROR (= which we already have in the HQ spec) for a. We have various err= or codes for c. Considering that, it would be natural to have a = special error code within the 16-bit integer space for b, which = is the STOPPING error code.

Regarding code point, my strong preference goes to using some value ot= her than zero (hence this issue). I oppose to using 0xffxx, because the r= ange is define as for private use in the transport error codes, and becas= ue I prefer not to have contradicting conventions in the transport and ap= plication binding. But any other value is fine for me.

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Perhaps the real decoder examples that are useful would be to show the= state of the dynamic table before and after the control stream instructi= ons? I agree that we probably don't want examples that show an encoder r= esponding to feedback, but it might be worth noting in the examples when = the decoder sends it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -639,12 +639,14 @@ Largest Known Received.
 
 ### Stream Cancellation
 
-A stream that is reset might have multiple outstanding header blocks.  A decoder
-that receives a stream reset before the end of a stream generates a Stream
-Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream.  Similarly, a decoder that
-abandons reading of a stream needs to signal this using the Stream Cancellation
-instruction.  This signals to the encoder that all references to the dynamic
-table on that stream are no longer outstanding.
+A stream that is reset might have multiple outstanding header blocks with
+dynamic table references.  A decoder that receives a stream reset before the end
+of a stream generates a Stream Cancellation instruction on the decoder stream.
+Similarly, a decoder that abandons reading of a stream needs to signal this
+using the Stream Cancellation instruction.  This signals to the encoder that all
+references to the dynamic table on that stream are no longer outstanding.  A
+decoder with a maximum dynamic table size equal to zero MAY omit send Stream

"omit sending", probably.

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Is that HQ specific? Here is the blurb from the transport spec about application error codes: ``` There is no restriction on the use of the 16-bit error code space for application protocols. However, QUIC reserves the error code with a value of 0 to mean STOPPING. The application error code of STOPPING (0) is used by the transport to cancel a stream in response to receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame. ``` In generally, I feel that taking one single value from an otherwise completely free number space for just one particular scenario feels bad to me. There are plenty of other ways to achieve the same thing as STOPPING. - You could have a different frame type (STOP_COMPLETE). - You could just accept any RST_STREAM in response to a STOP_SENDING as confirmation. - You could have a special bit/flag in the RST_STREAM to indicate there is no application error code. IMO, reserving one value is the worst way to achieve this. Someone will always not be happy whatever value we chose, and the application layer will not understand why it can't use one value. How do you enforce that at an API layer? Wait until they happen to try to send that (in some particular, edge case scenario?) and then error out? What is the chance they don't see that until they deploy? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-424799049 ----==_mimepart_5babbf3ec99b6_2fd83fea732d45b860546 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I oppose to using 0xffxx, because the range is define as for private use= in the transport error codes

Where is that indiciated. Is that HQ specific? Here is the blurb from th= e transport spec about application error codes:

   There is no restriction on the use of the 16-bit error code s=
pace for
   application protocols.  However, QUIC reserves the error code with a
   value of 0 to mean STOPPING.  The application error code of STOPPING
   (0) is used by the transport to cancel a stream in response to
   receipt of a STOP_SENDING frame.

In generally, I feel that taking one single value from an otherwise comp= letely free number space for just one particular scenario feels bad to me. = There are plenty of other ways to achieve the same thing as STOPPING.

  • You could have a different frame type (STOP_COMPLETE).
  • You could just accept any RST_STREAM in response to a STOP_SENDING as c= onfirmation.
  • You could have a special bit/flag in the RST_STREAM to indicate there i= s no application error code.

IMO, reserving one value is the worst way to achieve this. Someone will = always not be happy whatever value we chose, and the application layer will= not understand why it can't use one value. How do you enforce that at an A= PI layer? Wait until they happen to try to send that (in some particular, e= dge case scenario?) and then error out? What is the chance they don't see t= hat until they deploy?

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Right, that was the conclusion of the discussion in NYC.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> I oppose to using 0xffxx, because the range is define as for private u= se in the transport error codes=0D > =0D > Where is that indiciated. Is that HQ specific?=0D =0D [Section 13.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.h= tml#rfc.section.13.3): _"The =E2=80=9CQUIC Transport Error Codes=E2=80=9D= registry governs a 16-bit space. This space is split into two spaces tha= t are governed by different policies. Values with the first byte in the r= ange 0x00 to 0xfe (in hexadecimal) are assigned via the Specification Req= uired policy [RFC8126]. Values with the first byte 0xff are reserved for = Private Use [RFC8126]."_=0D =0D > IMO, reserving one value is the worst way to achieve this. Someone will= always not be happy whatever value we chose, and the application layer w= ill not understand why it can't use one value.=0D =0D I agree that it is not a beautiful. But it is practical. It is beneficial= to have an error code that covers all the three ways of closing response= s, because that gives us a standard way of indicating how it was closed u= sing just one number.=0D =0D When tracking down an issue in the real world, it would often be the case= that multiple HQ stacks are involved. It is highly preferable if we coul= d just talk about the error codes rather than referring to the *frame typ= e and error code* when trying to nail down issues. -- = You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-424802605= ----==_mimepart_5babc1ea5492f_12c43f9414ed45bc3583ed Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I oppose to using 0xffxx, because the range is define as for private u= se in the transport error codes

Where is that indiciated. Is that HQ specific?

Section 13.3: "The =E2=80=9C= QUIC Transport Error Codes=E2=80=9D registry governs a 16-bit space. This= space is split into two spaces that are governed by different policies. = Values with the first byte in the range 0x00 to 0xfe (in hexadecimal) are= assigned via the Specification Required policy [RFC8126]. Values with th= e first byte 0xff are reserved for Private Use [RFC8126]."

IMO, reserving one value is the worst way to achieve this. Someone wil= l always not be happy whatever value we chose, and the application layer = will not understand why it can't use one value.

I agree that it is not a beautiful. But it is practical. It is benefic= ial to have an error code that covers all the three ways of closing respo= nses, because that gives us a standard way of indicating how it was close= d using just one number.

When tracking down an issue in the real world, it would often be the c= ase that multiple HQ stacks are involved. It is highly preferable if we c= ould just talk about the error codes rather than referring to the fra= me type and error code when trying to nail down issues.

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Assuming I am client and I want to create a new bidi stream. When creating a new stream, I would set the max stream data as initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote transport parameter received during handshake.

But what if before opening the stream, server sends me MAX_STREAM_DATA frame? I understand that the draft says, quote
"If an endpoint receives a frame for a stream that it expects to initiate (i.e., odd-numbered for the client or even-numbered for the server), but which it has not yet opened, it MUST close the connection with error code STREAM_STATE_ERROR"

Does this apply to all stream related frames (MAX_STREAM_DATA, STREAM_BLOCKED, STREAM_ID_BLOCKED etc.)?

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Fixes #1720.

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This is fine, but one suggestion for readability.

"...greater than the number of dynamic table entries beyond the current Largest Known Received" is correct, but not immediately comprehensible. Maybe framing that as "...which indicates receipt of an entry which has not been sent" would help it be obvious why that number is a problem?

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A few important details forgotten in the minutes

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The RST_STREAM error codes are not transport error codes, but application error codes. So that section you listed doesn't apply. Only the one I posted above.

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----==_mimepart_5babd55256abb_60bf3f8fbe0d45c018436f-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 12:19:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C242127333 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:19:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9itLa1yqsOe for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 787D2127133 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:19:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 12:19:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537989541; bh=VWw2nvMD7o/CotDSxr4+Wc62WpcDAsfJHlZ8l15Z2zk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=qdYod+d3Ms+768mZ9+vsp59V61O5wJtFcKTSNhY7WOb3SHwCXtGjCEvEXoOMkrsox XZuMyZ3GYQ/g+kZKOt5XlpRCC4okaEQ5Z3g+ZUgGowAxofynFVyqd4Gp2RpoRPfc0H QAF2iuDcy3MV9jbQ8gOQW9Roiw0ry2s8ZSQ4ihnc= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5babdba4d1f3c_2a683f93704d45c0782da"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 19:19:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5babdba4d1f3c_2a683f93704d45c0782da Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is tricky, not just because you don't want an attacker to be able to inject the CC, but because all the mitigations themselves have ugly implications. "Drop it" is a difficult directive -- if you mean drop the packet, what about other frames that you might have processed before encountering the CC frame? Surely we're not adding a requirement that we be able to back out all interpreted frames if we encounter a frame that we don't like. On the other hand, if you *don't* do that, then you're in an inconsistent state -- some of the frames that you've just consumed might have been attacker-generated and you've accepted them into the connection state. Likewise if you only mean dropping the frame and continuing to process the rest of the packet. That would argue for blowing up the connection as compromised anyway, which is exactly what would happen if you accepted the CONNECTION_CLOSE as valid. Perhaps the most robust would be to require a first scan of any packet received at a lower encryption level than the highest ever seen (and always, for Initials) and reject the packet without processing any frames if illegal frame types are found. (This is actually a compelling argument for making complex variable-length frames have an explicit length field, so they're easy to skip in this pass.) Unless we do that, I'm inclined to think you don't fully trust a CONNECTION_CLOSE in Initial packets (perhaps not ever, or perhaps only after a short timeout to see if other Initials arrive), and you always trust and process a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE from any other encryption level if you can validate the packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-424837812 ----==_mimepart_5babdba4d1f3c_2a683f93704d45c0782da Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is tricky, not just because you don't want an attacker to be able= to inject the CC, but because all the mitigations themselves have ugly i= mplications.

"Drop it" is a difficult directive -- if you mean drop the packet, wha= t about other frames that you might have processed before encountering th= e CC frame? Surely we're not adding a requirement that we be able to bac= k out all interpreted frames if we encounter a frame that we don't like.<= /p>

On the other hand, if you don't do that, then you're in an in= consistent state -- some of the frames that you've just consumed might ha= ve been attacker-generated and you've accepted them into the connection s= tate. Likewise if you only mean dropping the frame and continuing to pro= cess the rest of the packet. That would argue for blowing up the connect= ion as compromised anyway, which is exactly what would happen if you acce= pted the CONNECTION_CLOSE as valid.

Perhaps the most robust would be to require a first scan of any packet= received at a lower encryption level than the highest ever seen (and alw= ays, for Initials) and reject the packet without processing any frames if= illegal frame types are found. (This is actually a compelling argument = for making complex variable-length frames have an explicit length field, = so they're easy to skip in this pass.)

Unless we do that, I'm inclined to think you don't fully trust a CONNE= CTION_CLOSE in Initial packets (perhaps not ever, or perhaps only after a= short timeout to see if other Initials arrive), and you always trust and= process a CONNECTION_CLOSE or APPLICATION_CLOSE from any other encryptio= n level if you can validate the packet.

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In interim-18-09/minutes.md:

> @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ Demonstration of the spi=
n bit graph
 =

 Discussion of the graphs -- these just show the output of the spin bit m=
easurement, but they don=E2=80=99t compare to any ground truth
 =

-Orange is experimenting with three bits, but QUIC has only done privacy =
analysis of the single Spin Bit. That privacy analysis was done by a desi=
gn team and then accepted by the working group - the other two bits must =
also be analyzed and accepted in order to go forward. =

+Orange is experimenting with three bits (spin bit for RTT + two bits for=
 segmental loss), but QUIC has only done privacy analysis of the single S=
pin Bit. That privacy analysis was done by a design team and then accepte=
d by the working group - the other two bits must also be analyzed and acc=
epted in order to go forward (kinda chicken-and-egg, right ?)

"kinda chicken-and-egg, right" seems like an aside to the reader, and = doesn't represent the discussion. Please remove.

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In interim-18-09/minutes.md:

> @@ -39,7 +39,7 @@ Demonstration of the spi=
n bit graph
 =

 Discussion of the graphs -- these just show the output of the spin bit m=
easurement, but they don=E2=80=99t compare to any ground truth
 =

-Orange is experimenting with three bits, but QUIC has only done privacy =
analysis of the single Spin Bit. That privacy analysis was done by a desi=
gn team and then accepted by the working group - the other two bits must =
also be analyzed and accepted in order to go forward. =

+Orange is experimenting with three bits (spin bit for RTT + two bits for=
 segmental loss), but QUIC has only done privacy analysis of the single S=
pin Bit. That privacy analysis was done by a design team and then accepte=
d by the working group - the other two bits must also be analyzed and acc=
epted in order to go forward (kinda chicken-and-egg, right ?)

Yes, an aside meant to convey 1% of the frustration that the remark pr= ompted. Guess I have no choice. Edited out.

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Actually, from memory, there is (or used to be) some text that states that a single packet MUST be valid before changing any state of the connection. That is a hard requirement that I'd like to get rid of, since it requires two passes over the frame list.

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I realized it is explained later in the Section 9.2.2

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8.1.  Packet Processing and Acknowledgment

   A packet MUST NOT be acknowledged until packet protection has been
   successfully removed and all frames contained in the packet have been
   processed.  Any stream state transitions triggered by the frame MUST
   have occurred.  For STREAM frames, this means the data has been
   enqueued in preparation to be received by the application protocol,
   but it does not require that data is delivered and consumed.

I think this is the text I were referring to. It only speaks of ACK

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -387,6 +392,10 @@ peer in CRYPTO frames. When TLS provides handshake octets to be sent, they are
 appended to the current flow and any packet that includes the CRYPTO frame is
 protected using keys from the corresponding encryption level.
 
+Unlike its operations with TCP, the TLS bytestream is never separately
+encrypted and decrypted. This operation only occurs on the QUIC packet as a
+whole.

I have spent some time looking through the quic-tls draft and cannot find it. That doesn't mean it's not there, but I'll use your language.

I am really looking for a clear statement that says "turn off TLS handshake encryption, dummy".

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Synced with the transport draft about which frames are allowed in which contexts. Commit: 27b95f7181f42a39a29a0638c942d81556bc33ab https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/27b95f7181f42a39a29a0638c942d81556bc33ab Author: martinduke Date: 2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- typo Commit: 090131d1bce5c8bbf2363b23775c4129514c5eb3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/090131d1bce5c8bbf2363b23775c4129514c5eb3 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-09-25 (Tue, 25 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- eliminate whitespace Commit: ff5601506f8c1837fb61d2e0a8fc9f079125a971 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ff5601506f8c1837fb61d2e0a8fc9f079125a971 Author: martinduke Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Addressed MT's issues Commit: 6d34304a88f7658684a35db9c3ad5d33dbd1ba2a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d34304a88f7658684a35db9c3ad5d33dbd1ba2a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Small reword Commit: 1d3064292219711f6bacabf73db00c8fa0cbb7b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1d3064292219711f6bacabf73db00c8fa0cbb7b1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1800 from martinduke/patch-20 Minor nits Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/eb40916c97a6...1d3064292219 **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5babfa29400dc_4622afada00aed8917f2-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 14:29:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2997130DBE for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:29:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kpPNpOAiMQoT for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9C87130DC0 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:29:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537997354; bh=0CxHd60u9SeU+E4K9aH6IDMDpkLGSpASC6UcC3KZN98=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=gTjX6CPgIhlfEh/UlYcrl55X4BHey0AEGnbzpMVu3bHjKVnZuhw5Gcrv2p9gPRFmf lVMBUy5RA6moClA0BTolBBNL7vxNswc1zwEfYTYMoSIIK+P8oYEEo+D04J11OXKlK9 YbXPFBUxbkBqMc0RtqAqZDpxKWEfzBzkTomAUydM= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Minor nits (#1800) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5babfa2ae1f40_6cb33fc5e2ed45bc184447"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:29:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5babfa2ae1f40_6cb33fc5e2ed45bc184447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks, this is a nice improvement (and you are right, that bit about not using TLS record protection really was missing). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Thanks, this is a nice improvement (and you are right, that bit about not using TLS record protection really was missing).

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Merged #1800 into master.

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----==_mimepart_5babfa2d5584f_6e7e3fd6c3ad45c4165412-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 14:45:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D42130DC3 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:45:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zbScbEjfvMvd for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8581D1294D7 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 14:44:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1537998297; bh=8GXtEmFnLZWw9cnCDUzZkA/wXDyR8n3dXgVfui8JM4c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T0A7F32gK3nijMICfdhsZmx39EQlygyVdjeqrxqVGE6+dlIKP1t5yKCG5i2TF3JwC iCE4YxYpA9/MoFQJsMjjo7rDObLpCX/VDT9ydnQ1f6zJNb9rvm7jmx9C0IqM4jcZHx gGWMZxpj3LLF6X4fxrVnOBlsl6YUFD/cSAhtaX9Y= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Send Stream State starts with "Send" for peer-initiated bidi streams (#1802) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5babfdd8c7030_1b6d3fa4b72d45c419046e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:45:01 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5babfdd8c7030_1b6d3fa4b72d45c419046e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson commented on this pull request. > - | | - | Send STREAM + FIN | - v v - +-------+ +-------+ - | Data | Send RST_STREAM | Reset | - | Sent |------------------>| Sent | - +-------+ +-------+ - | | - | Recv All ACKs | Recv ACK - v v - +-------+ +-------+ - | Data | | Reset | - | Recvd | | Recvd | - +-------+ +-------+ + o + | Create Bidirectional Stream (Peer-initiated) The decision we reached before was to make the same event trigger two transitions: one to create, one to move to "Send". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1802#pullrequestreview-159211292 ----==_mimepart_5babfdd8c7030_1b6d3fa4b72d45c419046e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -       |                           |
-       | Send STREAM + FIN         |
-       v                           v
-   +-------+                   +-------+
-   | Data  | Send RST_STREAM   | Reset |
-   | Sent  |------------------>| Sent  |
-   +-------+                   +-------+
-       |                           |
-       | Recv All ACKs             | Recv ACK
-       v                           v
-   +-------+                   +-------+
-   | Data  |                   | Reset |
-   | Recvd |                   | Recvd |
-   +-------+                   +-------+
+   o
+   | Create Bidirectional Stream (Peer-initiated)

The decision we reached before was to make the same event trigger two transitions: one to create, one to move to "Send".

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -149,7 +149,9 @@ peer's SETTINGS frame.
 
 Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
 end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
-equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty. The
+encoder MUST not evict a dynamic table entry unless it has first been

MUST NOT

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +### Calculating Table Size
+
+The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.
+
+The size of an entry is the sum of its name's length in octets (as defined in
+{{string-literals}}), its value's length in octets, and 32.
+
+The size of an entry is calculated using the length of its name and value
+without any Huffman encoding applied.
+
+`MaxEntries` is the maximum number of entries that the dynamic table can have.
+The smallest entry has empty name and value strings and has the size of 32.
+The MaxEntries is calculated as
+
+~~~
+   MaxEntries = floor( MaxTableSize / 32 )

As we discussed, I'm unconvinced that this should be floor instead of ceil. This will generally not matter much in the real world, but could break in edge cases.

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This seems like an oversight, so I'm in favor of correcting in. Howev= er, I'm not entirely convinced it's unreasonable to send STOP_SENDING pre= emptively for unidirectional streams either.

If you had advance knowledge of what was going to be on that stream (t= hink HTTP/2-style PUSH_PROMISE), it might be reasonable to send STOP_SEND= ING for a stream that hasn't actually had data sent yet. You can presume= the data is in flight based on other application state, for example.

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...thus a simpler fix might be to remove the prohibition, and simply clarify that the delayed allocation of Stream ID only applies to locally-initiated streams.

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The RST_STREAM error codes are not transport error codes, but applicat= ion error codes.

Yes. What I pointed out in
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@MikeBishop Clarification quest= ion: you seem to argue that it is not "unreasonable to send STOP_SENDING = preemptively for unidirectional streams", and that we should "clarify tha= t the delayed allocation of Stream ID only applies to locally-initiated s= treams".

However, my understanding is that if sending STOP_SENDING for unidirec= tional streams can only be done for remotely-initiated streams, by endpoi= nts that have prior knowledge of what the stream ID of those streams woul= d be.

So to me it seems that we can only have either one of the properties; = i.e. either allow sending STOP_SENDING preemptively, or disallow delayed = allocation of stream IDs.

Regarding the general idea of having a prior knowledge of what the str= eam IDs will be used for, I am not sure if we want to allow (or encourage= ) that type of design. IIUC we discussed that and the conclusion was to i= ntroduce the "type" octet for the unidirectional streams in the HTTP bind= ing. I prefer sticking to the decision we made.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bac2672254a1_2e123f8aee0d45b813228b-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 17:43:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B01130DC4 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHo8DvQl2B4k for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 402D0130DC0 for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:42:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538008979; bh=EDAK5CPPrQ5sC/J70Sn5KOd+JudL0s214PEgQ11NbaA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Lrj/mVfKuioLqyatVO2UAO2w5VRcPObxYT3nL1ZEOoJmJ0P5lg5ZmqHU/6vB8aopc PvWNCFtZaLWBFXgnxBKqDhz5T8dCLbBTLvYpSlk0QWLMYRsDOo5wfYP820+wzUCSWQ KIQ9pGsOsOANufJbgUL8ynQq6VG9MfGCFmDxo2Xo= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Recommend non-zero values for footgun TPs (#1806) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bac27932cfef_198e3fb1162d45b817141"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 00:43:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bac27932cfef_198e3fb1162d45b817141 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -261,16 +261,23 @@ the stream management. All client-initiated bidirectional streams are used for HTTP requests and responses. A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request occurs -on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. HTTP/QUIC -does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams. The use of unidirectional -streams is discussed in {{unidirectional-streams}}. +on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. In order +to permit these streams to open, an HTTP/QUIC client SHOULD send non-zero values +for the QUIC transport parameters `initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local`. An +HTTP/QUIC server SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport parameters +`initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote` and `initial_max_bidi_streams`. Would it make sense to recommend `initial_max_bidi_streams` to be "no smaller than 100", like what RFC 7540 states? > These streams carry frames related to the request/response (see {{frames}}). When a stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was truncated, this MUST be treated as a connection error (see HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME in {{http-error-codes}}). Streams which terminate abruptly may be reset at any point in the frame. +HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams. The use of +unidirectional streams is discussed in {{unidirectional-streams}}. Both clients +and servers SHOULD send a non-zero value for the QUIC transport parameter +`initial_max_uni_streams`. Would it make sense to state recommend "at least three", considering the fact that there would be the controller stream and the QPACK encoder / decoder streams? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1806#pullrequestreview-159249101 ----==_mimepart_5bac27932cfef_198e3fb1162d45b817141 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -261,16 +261,23 @@ the stream management.
 All client-initiated bidirectional streams are used for HTTP requests and
 responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
 correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. HTTP/QUIC
-does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams. The use of unidirectional
-streams is discussed in {{unidirectional-streams}}.
+on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. In order
+to permit these streams to open, an HTTP/QUIC client SHOULD send non-zero values
+for the QUIC transport parameters `initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local`. An
+HTTP/QUIC server SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport parameters
+`initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote` and `initial_max_bidi_streams`.

Would it make sense to recommend initial_max_bidi_streams to be "no smaller than 100", like what RFC 7540 states?

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

>  
 These streams carry frames related to the request/response (see {{frames}}).
 When a stream terminates cleanly, if the last frame on the stream was truncated,
 this MUST be treated as a connection error (see HTTP_MALFORMED_FRAME in
 {{http-error-codes}}).  Streams which terminate abruptly may be reset at any
 point in the frame.
 
+HTTP/QUIC does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams. The use of
+unidirectional streams is discussed in {{unidirectional-streams}}.  Both clients
+and servers SHOULD send a non-zero value for the QUIC transport parameter
+`initial_max_uni_streams`.

Would it make sense to state recommend "at least three", considering the fact that there would be the controller stream and the QPACK encoder / decoder streams?

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@kazuho pushed 3 commits.

  • 9a19840 Revert "better clarification"
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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -       |                           |
-       | Send STREAM + FIN         |
-       v                           v
-   +-------+                   +-------+
-   | Data  | Send RST_STREAM   | Reset |
-   | Sent  |------------------>| Sent  |
-   +-------+                   +-------+
-       |                           |
-       | Recv All ACKs             | Recv ACK
-       v                           v
-   +-------+                   +-------+
-   | Data  |                   | Reset |
-   | Recvd |                   | Recvd |
-   +-------+                   +-------+
+   o
+   | Create Bidirectional Stream (Peer-initiated)

Thank you for pointing that out. Reverted the changes to the diagram and updated the text in fc0f3e6.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -621,10 +621,18 @@ packet. It also sets the Token field to the token provided in the Retry. The
 client MUST NOT change the Source Connection ID because the server could include
 the connection ID as part of its token validation logic (see {{tokens}}).
 
+The Initial packet sent by the client in response to a Retry packet is subject
+to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet, with the exception of the
+value of the Destination Connection ID and Token fields, which are set as
+described here.  A client can either reuse the cryptographic handshake message

How about putting the last sentence in this paragraph first, then saying "Aside from this, the Initial packet sent by the client is subject to the same restrictions as the first Initial packet."

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----==_mimepart_5bac42fd6645f_18b93f958f0d45bc17944e-- From nobody Wed Sep 26 21:37:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7979A130DED for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:37:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MUGvIIp28ILk for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB5DF130DEC for ; Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:37:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2018 21:37:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538023073; bh=Lyt8cMosTRDZ4wQhTVwuzMSv6A4qfj9OuhrNvIR6skI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oVe8U/ohQrkeqePsC5BeCVBHCKS8onDS7PpUOjed4yoA+Rf5NT4ixmfvGPSNd3PXk d7bUcqjQVXVPiHhHtqJfiTpNEbpzn04cH1KKwiJcwmOm7PguOC/K2nAQ1gqEwLhkzW 05FlhWIppgqONbUuOJZ2kontwiQX7A8vsusgYPBs= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe a new version negotiation mechanism which allows for (#1755) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bac5ea1bb366_3d063f8255ad45b410933d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 04:37:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bac5ea1bb366_3d063f8255ad45b410933d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The big loser here is the validation of version negotiation. I think that most of that is stuff we want to lose. By having all the client's supported versions available to the server we lose a lot of the complication that the text was addressing. IIUC, the risk here is that if we have a client and server that support both QUIC v1 and vX (a future version of QUIC that does not use TLS), we cannot detect downgrade attack that forces the peers to use v1 instead of vX. Are we fine with that? If not, I might prefer retaining the current approach in v1 _and_ consider introducing the proposed approach in v2 (my understanding is that this type of version negotiation can be introduced afterwards, like we introduced supported_versions in TLS 1.3). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1755#issuecomment-424956589 ----==_mimepart_5bac5ea1bb366_3d063f8255ad45b410933d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The big loser here is the validation of version negotiation. I think t= hat most of that is stuff we want to lose. By having all the client's sup= ported versions available to the server we lose a lot of the complication= that the text was addressing.

IIUC, the risk here is that if we have a client and server that suppor= t both QUIC v1 and vX (a future version of QUIC that does not use TLS), w= e cannot detect downgrade attack that forces the peers to use v1 instead = of vX.

Are we fine with that?

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We cannot have allow stream state modifying messages from peer on stream= s that have not yet been opened by the initiator, or which have been closed= or forgotten. The exception is that if a higher stream is opened than a pr= eviously openened, the prevoiusly unopened stream is implicitly opened.

If STOP_SENDING could happen on a future stream and it could happen on m= uch higher valued streams and this cannot be managed other than by ignoring= or producing an error - where an error is the better option.

If STOP_SENDING is intended for an implicitly opened stream, there shoul= dn't be any problems, so if this "based on prior knowledge" is the fact tha= t a higher stream was opened, then I guess it is fine.

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After some more though - if STOP_SENDING is allowed on any stream that has not been closed and which is within a previously transmitted MAX_STREAM_ID value, I guess it could reasonably work, but you risk our of order conflicts on that.

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How does packet numbers relate to this?

How about requiring initial packets to be retransmitted verbatim and p= erhaps only allow token in the packet number 0? An endpoint can either st= ore the packet for retransmission or reproduce the same AEAD on retransmi= ssion using the same packet number.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -261,16 +261,23 @@ the stream management.
 All client-initiated bidirectional streams are used for HTTP requests and
 responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be readily
 correlated with the request. This means that the client's first request occurs
-on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. HTTP/QUIC
-does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams. The use of unidirectional
-streams is discussed in {{unidirectional-streams}}.
+on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. In order
+to permit these streams to open, an HTTP/QUIC client SHOULD send non-zero values
+for the QUIC transport parameters `initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local`. An
+HTTP/QUIC server SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport parameters
+`initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote` and `initial_max_bidi_streams`.

As I don't really follow HTTP/Q atm., I am not very confident in this - but if QPACK uses static tables only and you are on a constrained device, you would not want to track that much state.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -261,16 +261,23 @@ the stream managemen=
t.
 All client-initiated bidirectional streams are used for HTTP requests an=
d
 responses.  A bidirectional stream ensures that the response can be read=
ily
 correlated with the request. This means that the client's first requ=
est occurs
-on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. HT=
TP/QUIC
-does not use server-initiated bidirectional streams. The use of unidirec=
tional
-streams is discussed in {{unidirectional-streams}}.
+on QUIC stream 0, with subsequent requests on stream 4, 8, and so on. In=
 order
+to permit these streams to open, an HTTP/QUIC client SHOULD send non-zer=
o values
+for the QUIC transport parameters `initial_max_stream_data_bidi_local`. =
An
+HTTP/QUIC server SHOULD send non-zero values for the QUIC transport para=
meters
+`initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote` and `initial_max_bidi_streams`.

I do not oppose to your point.

What I am looking for is a general guidance that is similar to what we= have in RFC 7540, quote: =E2=80=9DIt is recommended that this value = be no smaller than 100, so as to not unnecessarily limit parallelism.=E2=80= =9D

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If you retransmit verbatim, then you can't tell if the original or the retransmission was received, so you lose the first RTT sample on the client side, which is unfortunate, since that's the first congestion control or recovery related info you get on the connection.

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +### Calculating Table Size
+
+The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.
+
+The size of an entry is the sum of its name's length in octets (as defined in
+{{string-literals}}), its value's length in octets, and 32.
+
+The size of an entry is calculated using the length of its name and value
+without any Huffman encoding applied.
+
+`MaxEntries` is the maximum number of entries that the dynamic table can have.
+The smallest entry has empty name and value strings and has the size of 32.
+The MaxEntries is calculated as
+
+~~~
+   MaxEntries = floor( MaxTableSize / 32 )

I implemented the encoding/decoding algorithm using floor for max entries, and (after bug fixing) it works correctly for all the edge cases.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -safe to process the rest of the block.
+safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
+zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+
+~~~
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+~~~
+
+The decoder reconstructs the Largest Reference using the following algorithm:
+
+~~~
+   if LargestReference > 0:
+      LargestReference -= 1
+      CurrentWrapped = TableLargestAbsoluteIndex mod 2*MaxEntries
+
+      if CurrentWrapped > LargestReference + MaxEntries:

There's a couple bugs here. It should be >= not >, and there is another case: the decoder's largest index has wrapped more times than LR.

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The value in having a STOPPING error code is understanding the source.= Because this is a transport feature, STOPPING permits the recipient to = understand that the stream is being aborted because it sent a STOP_SENDIN= G (i.e. its own action), not because the peer encountered a fatal error d= uring the intervening RTT. From another viewpoint, the "source" of the R= ST is the remote transport, not the remote application.

(I would envision STOP_SENDING surfacing to the remote API as a failur= e to write because the RST_STREAM has already been sent, not as a signal = to which the application responds by triggering a RST_STREAM.)

I don't feel strongly opposed to having, say, a STOP_COMPLETE frame, b= ut it would have identical practical effect to RST_STREAM. That feels li= ke a cosmetic change, and I'm not sure the difference is critical.

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----==_mimepart_5bad1aeb7fe91_6a013f8c2a4d45b85185bb-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 11:01:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B21FA130F14 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lzDpZfbQrwxb for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from m69-169.mailgun.net (m69-169.mailgun.net [166.78.69.169]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A576130EFF for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; v=1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; q=dns/txt; s=mailo; t=1538071277; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-Type: Mime-Version: Subject: Message-ID: To: Reply-To: From: Date: Sender; bh=6+N3835n9g+E9D10LhF4XhNt9+uf6w524BtYmFu2wmI=; b=gHOViJMW3Qs8QRCX3OquDB6863vimJXCDQxswODEB9oCXbh9cDjBd8yr/EPOsDqaVLKFp99R f9LlKpg5j0KAunjp1ZQoxvdT+qMpjzhxxPCaMdr2n22VIUvrCTf5E13k88w9qGV1FgckwDW7 tX8tAQmEF/o66AtAfMfwX43cBuI= X-Mailgun-Sending-Ip: 166.78.69.169 X-Mailgun-Sid: WyJhNzYyYiIsICJxdWljLWlzc3Vlc0BpZXRmLm9yZyIsICI0MGYiXQ== Sender: martin.thomson=gmail.com@github.com Received: from github.com (Unknown [192.30.252.38]) by mxa.mailgun.org with ESMTP id 5bad1aed.7f1ebc928630-smtp-out-n02; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:01:17 -0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:17 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: <5bad1aeda734c_59d22aee29fceecc6774d@hookshot-fe-265448d.cp1-iad.github.net.mail> Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 11e66f: sending part of bidi stream initiated by peer star... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad1aeda6e64_59d22aee29fceecc676b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:01:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad1aeda6e64_59d22aee29fceecc676b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 11e66faed8d14766b9cd785f525cefcec79c5f4d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11e66faed8d14766b9cd785f525cefcec79c5f4d Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- sending part of bidi stream initiated by peer starts from "Send" state Commit: 2a6e77d3e5f14a3239bfd6ae7d5bdc574fcda932 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2a6e77d3e5f14a3239bfd6ae7d5bdc574fcda932 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- update the diagram accordingly Commit: cb87fd9a04e352eb515a462319484f87edd60858 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cb87fd9a04e352eb515a462319484f87edd60858 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-09-26 (Wed, 26 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- better clarification Commit: 9a1984095804330b73ea32d9ec9af733c0833826 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9a1984095804330b73ea32d9ec9af733c0833826 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-09-27 (Thu, 27 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Revert "better clarification" This reverts commit cb87fd9a04e352eb515a462319484f87edd60858. Commit: 43dd85836f9ad73f47247251a68e5bea1109f1e5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/43dd85836f9ad73f47247251a68e5bea1109f1e5 Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-09-27 (Thu, 27 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Revert "update the diagram accordingly" This reverts commit 2a6e77d3e5f14a3239bfd6ae7d5bdc574fcda932. Commit: fc0f3e6e538e3b8f4d6a002970ce4079f440322a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fc0f3e6e538e3b8f4d6a002970ce4079f440322a Author: Kazuho Oku Date: 2018-09-27 (Thu, 27 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- initial state is always "Ready" Commit: 24fd4151ff2b14a1db842f8e453add9e6f9204b5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/24fd4151ff2b14a1db842f8e453add9e6f9204b5 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-27 (Thu, 27 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- transitions Commit: bddbbf3922fead26248926468152470d341a0f81 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bddbbf3922fead26248926468152470d341a0f81 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2018-09-27 (Thu, 27 Sep 2018) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #1802 from kazuho/kazuho/stop-sending-in-ready-state Send Stream State starts with "Send" for peer-initiated bidi streams Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/7bfe615301af...bddbbf3922fe **NOTE:** This service has been marked for deprecation: https://developer.github.com/changes/2018-04-25-github-services-deprecation/ Functionality will be removed from GitHub.com on January 31st, 2019. ----==_mimepart_5bad1aeda6e64_59d22aee29fceecc676b8-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 11:01:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B18130EFF for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mR8yT2J1bw81 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5763130EFA for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 11:01:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538071283; bh=OTLVy4UNxNurajxHJgfXAvOL+lxnkeaxg9GrBj7/Ils=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=abEy6Lm6UVnRipGW5KTAG3jpe9VUCwoVWV5I7AyiHVumdUbj4lQXkNbeGXFHJNcE9 fqb/pK2nmmgbnM8y0epvNfWEgmbVK6ZfjW0IVPW0b+pxfk/kefTLH3UPtqEE37R+0U QTOkfVlcLHw7pgJDfnDYiDC+yHOFcUD0AAIzHrYg= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Send Stream State starts with "Send" for peer-initiated bidi streams (#1802) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad1af12f368_48f33ff804ed45b8839673"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:01:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad1af12f368_48f33ff804ed45b8839673 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1802 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop The biggest difference with using a STOPPING error code vs any of the other options is how the an API ensures/communicates that the App layer can't use that value. Additionally, if the App layer has already closed/shutdown their write pipe/direction, and then the transport receives a STOP_SENDING, I would assume the transport would silently process it, and not indicate to the App layer, since it has already discarded the pipe. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425192019 ----==_mimepart_5bad1e04188c4_7a8b3fe3aaad45bc12102a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop The biggest differe= nce with using a STOPPING error code vs any of the other options is how t= he an API ensures/communicates that the App layer can't use that value.

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This has two ramifications, which are probably livable: - An extension which needs a structured configuration message needs to define an extra frame/stream type to carry that message. - An extension which used the full 32-bit space in HTTP/2 will spill over to a 64-bit varint, because in four bytes we only carry 30 bits of payload. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1807 -- Commit Summary -- * Simplify SETTINGS payload * Guidance in HTTP/2 section -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (29) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1807.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1807.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1807 ----==_mimepart_5bad1f5323261_3f543fb64aad45b8135747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Fixes #1556 by making all setting values varints and removing length prefixes. This has two ramifications, which are probably livable:

  • An extension which needs a structured configuration message needs to define an extra frame/stream type to carry that message.
  • An extension which used the full 32-bit space in HTTP/2 will spill over to a 64-bit varint, because in four bytes we only carry 30 bits of payload.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1807

Commit Summary

  • Simplify SETTINGS payload
  • Guidance in HTTP/2 section

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It would likely not indicate to the app layer, but might still generate a RST_STREAM if the stream closed normally and retransmissions are still outstanding.

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----==_mimepart_5bad27eea22b3_1b923fb3888d45c0144591-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 12:02:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C816130F1D for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:02:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id roHCvpdY14pv for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A6268130F34 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:02:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538074973; bh=05zSHaikaKHkuQuCZpwjzQtUN5uuspIW5O0a70PwY80=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=QNv0y+sj5kbWwsD2TZok51mmtS6zCYoNH+ngH9Mwoc1tkFFcI6Ve6gL1GGnUNkBsX Q2a4s8KPypImqLLKN3K1u/BQkgRNsmzU4uQjt0F5e8U3ZZVDlHx3Etti8e0KVhEMEC lJvxnn6IucI1weqPF+UtH0gwSN99DbFzvXNwgeC0= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad295db79dd_2ba33feb728d45bc34576"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:02:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad295db79dd_2ba33feb728d45bc34576 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm imagining the logic for this stuff something like this: ``` recv_stop_sending(): if (already_sent_rst_stream()) do_nothing() else indicate_stop_sending_to_app() send_rst_stream(STOPPING) recv_rst_stream(): if (already_sent_stop_sending()) do_nothing() else indicate_abortive_shutdown_to_app() ``` The way I see it, when you have sent a STOP_SENDING, you really don't care how the peer closes/resets the stream as long as it does and stops sending. No matter what, you wouldn't indicate it up to the app layer. Requiring the use of an explicit STOPPING error code still seems pointless to me. If you are worried about differentiating and indicating up that the peer reset their stream right **after** you told them to stop, I don't see the point. It's going to be a race condition. Simplest just to follow the logic above. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425207032 ----==_mimepart_5bad295db79dd_2ba33feb728d45bc34576 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'm imagining the logic for this stuff something like this:

recv_stop_sending():
	if (already_sent_rst_stream())
		do_nothing()
	else
		indicate_stop_sending_to_app()
		send_rst_stream(STOPPING)
		=

recv_rst_stream():
	if (already_sent_stop_sending())
		do_nothing()
	else
		indicate_abortive_shutdown_to_app()

The way I see it, when you have sent a STOP_SENDING, you really don't = care how the peer closes/resets the stream as long as it does and stops s= ending. No matter what, you wouldn't indicate it up to the app layer. Req= uiring the use of an explicit STOPPING error code still seems pointless t= o me. If you are worried about differentiating and indicating up that the= peer reset their stream right after you told them to st= op, I don't see the point. It's going to be a race condition. Simplest ju= st to follow the logic above.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad295db79dd_2ba33feb728d45bc34576-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 12:04:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 024B013107D for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:03:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wkB1MU113sSm for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3613131007 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:03:50 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538075030; bh=PROxLe+ZbQBVnUKKUFRB8CSskyTxEk80R2+Nj8uRISc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nIxBPcea4MiHP7YqF67ChKV2AKdFC3c1l16k/zliQYijiQSPPHsixgbYj/9Nxk/6l M1RbycCAmIy9Q/Y6Fv5c+Pp85Y4e0BM2VMUTtO0CYxa/ZrknLUenvE//nlVTqlia// 4E/iljWLeoHnEIz1UAoG5aqVN2s9F3QbzMbKok20= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QPACK improvement: wrap absolute index values (#1644) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad2996d607a_4f923feae6ad45c418586"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:04:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad2996d607a_4f923feae6ad45c418586 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Discussed this at the NYC interim considering three outcomes: 1) Do nothing 2) Encode LR mod 2*MaxEntries 3) Redefine Absolute Indices to wrap at 2*MaxEntries We took a hum to gauge consensus around doing something or doing nothing, and the room was split. I'm planning to move forward with option 2. Please review and comment on #1763. Note that the concepts from option 3 are not precluded and I'd be ok including text describing an implementation that wrapped all absolute indexes internally. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1644#issuecomment-425207302 ----==_mimepart_5bad2996d607a_4f923feae6ad45c418586 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Discussed this at the NYC interim considering three outcomes:

  1. Do nothing
  2. Encode LR mod 2*MaxEntries
  3. Redefine Absolute Indices to wrap at 2*MaxEntries

We took a hum to gauge consensus around doing something or doing nothi= ng, and the room was split.

I'm planning to move forward with option 2. Please review and comment= on #1763. N= ote that the concepts from option 3 are not precluded and I'd be ok inclu= ding text describing an implementation that wrapped all absolute indexes = internally.

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We took a hum to gauge consensus around doing something or doing nothi= ng, and the room was split.

...with the outcom= e that we do something -- option 2 or option 3 -- as interpreted by t= he chairs.

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It's a bit unclear to me what's special about CONNECTION_CLOSE on the receive side here. If I am prepared to, for example, process a STREAM frame in a packet, why would I not process a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame?

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I think Ryan's right. If I'm processing a packet at an encryption lev= el, then there are many ways to close the connection, including an invali= d frame in an encryption level, etc.

So I think we're stuck with "Send CONNECITION_CLOSE with the highest k= eys you know the peer can decrypt." And try to drop the Initial keys as = soon as possible. Unfortunately, that's currently not that fast at the m= oment.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad31eb8e36c_5a3f3fda2d4d45bc1479ce-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 12:51:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04199130F1C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:51:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZUCUbpSTDHdA for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58053127332 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:51:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:51:23 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538077883; bh=c0fPbpBjk44vOLxm/jy5k732MR4oeGQWA9NH9d7mevs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=HzMqddLb+qAEbLxB1s8y1PQuUjkMDog0lQRtTwxciSALxkxLuX6FoDrivnFQUxilC QkILTzK7gdbagO9DF3QsPnGsEe/aAbZrjJstyFzbmqD6kpqQDjcVG5JUMeApzkJPXb ub6Truc6Y5GFMwpw8Ii/53gRhjjBtiphFWz0d8ZI= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad34bb905a2_45ec3fab2c0d45b4177226"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:51:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad34bb905a2_45ec3fab2c0d45b4177226 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would very much like to close the hole where Initial packets injected at arbitrarily long times after the handshake are able to bring the connection down, for obvious reasons. The editor's draft says that we can choose to silently drop Initial packets with invalid frames, which IMO is the correct response once we have handshake keys. STREAM packets are only in app-key-protected packets, so that's not an informative example. I keep old keys around essentially just to ack stuff and help the peer account for its packets -- you can't accept additional CRYPTO frames, and my point is you shouldn't accept a CONN_CLOSE that can bring down the connection. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425220858 ----==_mimepart_5bad34bb905a2_45ec3fab2c0d45b4177226 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would very much like to close the hole where Initial packets injecte= d at arbitrarily long times after the handshake are able to bring the con= nection down, for obvious reasons.

The editor's draft says that we can choose to silently drop Initial pa= ckets with invalid frames, which IMO is the correct response once we hav= e handshake keys.

STREAM packets are only in app-key-protected packets, so that's not an= informative example. I keep old keys around essentially just to ack stu= ff and help the peer account for its packets -- you can't accept addition= al CRYPTO frames, and my point is you shouldn't accept a CONN_CLOSE that = can bring down the connection.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad34bb905a2_45ec3fab2c0d45b4177226-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 13:18:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652D3130F1C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:18:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lGdjvjE5CEyw for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A7E512DD85 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:18:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538079488; bh=MjXBOjgQgTEHUP8MHBDz7lk58Znl2ypUCrBHQlXqGe8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=E/qwATRHy1sKYtUD9iR1DiF1QrvLitLnemXZ8U31K1BoDBR/yK3yrxkuBPOE7Vaxo vIghc/9OCZDpaC8ohSJgt2eAuZ8FqIGRWrfoGkRnZO6Rxw4RNxqmRn/4N2RU6O/wj6 EW/APxlMzHcN3w5ofwPJuN9G+D42rXoiOKQ6Ylp0= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad3b0087697_2a53fb99d6d45c0370335"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:18:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad3b0087697_2a53fb99d6d45c0370335 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The TLS mapping says ``` If the packet is from a previously installed encryption level, it MUST not contain data which extends past the end of previously received data in that flow. Implementations MUST treat any violations of this requirement as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. ``` but since the initial encryption level is not strong, a man on the side could inject data to force a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425228655 ----==_mimepart_5bad3b0087697_2a53fb99d6d45c0370335 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The TLS mapping says

If the packet is from a previously installed encryption level,=
 it MUST not contain data which extends past the end of previously receiv=
ed data in that flow. Implementations MUST treat any violations of this r=
equirement as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

but since the initial encryption level is not strong, a man on the sid= e could inject data to force a PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad3b0087697_2a53fb99d6d45c0370335-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 13:20:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3911F130F2F for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:20:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DH54PgRmoMgz for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 70AD3130F1C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:20:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538079608; bh=zZUA0FvcNXq6SGmD2xuGc+yAKUnZEAJL0rBCAwOb1Yo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VPtPM8ZzhmoL9DiTbKtmJoRrDZFhCiVPPF31DHPNvwV9dMatbdlcLhhwGUmcT2lAc B59ytSLxgBSyDjVzBHrZT6tAl6FBDsqz3HMIlyndr6ahuK6JDkI/pqD/jIhF5XozJR I7Z18WU+Bp2XUajefzG2seYMs3pDyhWyJpbZEgFs= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad3b789378a_6cdc3fa7390d45c4203087"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:20:11 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad3b789378a_6cdc3fa7390d45c4203087 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think this comes down to whether we require support implicit ACK of Initial packets. If we do, we can close some of these holes. If we don't, I can't see how to close these holes, since you need to keep ACKing the peer's Initial packets because you can't guarantee they have received previous ACKs and there's no other way to ACK those packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425229222 ----==_mimepart_5bad3b789378a_6cdc3fa7390d45c4203087 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think this comes down to whether we require support implicit ACK of = Initial packets. If we do, we can close some of these holes. If we don'= t, I can't see how to close these holes, since you need to keep ACKing th= e peer's Initial packets because you can't guarantee they have received p= revious ACKs and there's no other way to ACK those packets.

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What is the problem with ignoring all communication with old levels once you have a handshake?
I'm not sure where key updates go, but it can be on lower crypto level I presume

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One you have a handshake, it knows the peer also has it, that is.

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----==_mimepart_5bad3c0e40f40_391f3fe214cd45c0372854-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 13:23:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3997D130F34 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J2PkkyvKxLSb for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43191130F1C for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:23:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538079796; bh=bqnVou5Hsv318UgDqMEm+ezMx+vp8ulWArPlQrq8mMw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hKwIYb+vg6GHJdqeGy+NTMlg1pSrzn2GBXheeu+JgBJ9KHqxDMP5RkO4JE0FUznpg HE2o2DRgYy4megvpFVglsIbZXTY/VdUgyhO1TEMXHGuh+vfDeKJIQwua9PP4pW9CMp yOGDeBqeYvt+VfDpOAvFEPPGH9GUG3oeshOIvAXA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad3c344c338_6d723f8976cd45bc3145c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:23:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad3c344c338_6d723f8976cd45bc3145c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no problem I'm aware of, but previously we have not required it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425230129 ----==_mimepart_5bad3c344c338_6d723f8976cd45bc3145c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There is no problem I'm aware of, but previously we have not required it.

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@mikkelfj Good find; I think that'= s a poor design.

@ianswett I think that when the = context has been superseded, we should ACK otherwise legal packets and dr= op all others. "Legal packets" would only include ACK frames and CRYPTO f= rames with previously received offsets.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad3c56afae7_7caf3f936e0d45bc278223-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 13:32:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEA74130F43 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:32:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jgqXYFC_Vo74 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-10.smtp.github.com (out-10.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 94544130E4B for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:32:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538080324; bh=VefD5hVlIqShoDk12BLVe7VlGDRO0Fs+Y8ZeXEcdQLQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I+s5JEaibCbFEIZC8+rfBicGfwz572a+Ch6QIeCJSnzFfmJXbYTbiDhGgo89KdYU9 C1eMGBWEnP1GdMCuUkbhXdlj67fqPis/La7q1hsefUdFSjSPz6JQoJ+ExcUbifBK7E YPJcUZalwrlWcurnoZlI/0BIvivlikgYEzQSbw1U= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad3e41c39b2_53ac3f979a4d45c419933d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:32:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad3e41c39b2_53ac3f979a4d45c419933d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would recommend the following changes. 1) Update Sec 4.1.1 of the TLS draft (@mikkelfj 's find above) to allow quietly dropping the packet when CRYPTO overruns. 2) Silently drop packets with CONN_CLOSE if we have received a higher encryption level from the peer. 3) When closing the connection, send CONNECTION_CLOSE with the latest keys you have. If you haven't received a packet with those keys yet, also send with the previous keys. If people are comfortable with that, I'll file a PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425232570 ----==_mimepart_5bad3e41c39b2_53ac3f979a4d45c419933d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would recommend the following changes.

  1. Update Sec 4.1.1 of the TLS draft (@m= ikkelfj 's find above) to allow quietly dropping the packet when CRYP= TO overruns.
  2. Silently drop packets with CONN_CLOSE if we have received a higher en= cryption level from the peer.
  3. When closing the connection, send CONNECTION_CLOSE with the latest ke= ys you have. If you haven't received a packet with those keys yet, also s= end with the previous keys.

If people are comfortable with that, I'll file a PR.

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Is 2. necessary if you already ignore old levels?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1478,6 +1469,12 @@ SETTINGS_MAX_FRAME_SIZE:
 SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE:
 : See {{settings-parameters}}.
 
+In HTTP/QUIC, setting values are variable-length integers (6, 14, 30, or 62 bits
+long) rather than fixed-length 32-bit fields.  This will often produce a shorter
+encoding, but will produce a longer encoding for settings which use the full
+32-bit space.  Settings ported from HTTP/2 might choose to redefine the format
+of their settings to avoid using the 62-bit encoding.

I'm not sure I understand the purpose of this additional text? You lose 2 bits on 32 bit fields, but do we really expect that will require changes on anyone's part?

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----==_mimepart_5bad3f4d381a0_62c3fab5aad45b8407316-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 13:41:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F10130DC1 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:41:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Il7BFyp9ffKX for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF4D5130F5F for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:40:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 13:40:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538080855; bh=cvGDzxb1m+i0RyFhVy22mFcOSLXJy7jQ9vk4bkq+Qx4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Yc8hdM6J/FCbJGEBwzzRNMQAkdZdwG2X8mrtOc+xuCs9zFim1ndhgcCQxoXhi1vwL F1sJOALx/k+MMVBy79BV2gMluKxdBKKokVX3oQz2BaXniLvwSq7jVJZ69yXPdVl7dP TjblIZ6uhE218nNpzPX67ZUHnRGsSkGciL8jWJ3c= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad4057d2fd2_2d5c3ff17ded45b43639d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:41:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad4057d2fd2_2d5c3ff17ded45b43639d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj There is nothing stopping you from dropping the context entirely, no, though if you do it too early the handshake can deadlock. For example, if the ACK of client finished is dropped several times, most implementations will free the handshake keys and we cannot finish the handshake. The point of this issue is that I want to hang around to repeat acks if needed, but not leave myself open to injections of bogus stuff. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425235039 ----==_mimepart_5bad4057d2fd2_2d5c3ff17ded45b43639d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@mikkelfj There is nothing stoppin= g you from dropping the context entirely, no, though if you do it too ear= ly the handshake can deadlock. For example, if the ACK of client finished= is dropped several times, most implementations will free the handshake k= eys and we cannot finish the handshake.

The point of this issue is that I want to hang around to repeat acks i= f needed, but not leave myself open to injections of bogus stuff.

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I mean after you see a higher level from peer. After that I can see the point of ACK or retransmission if you are also happy with that level, and if you are not, you don't transmit on that level.

Unless you want to ACK a level you are not ready to deal with yet.

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There are dumb but compliant ways to implement an end host and weird corner cases.

For example, the client's initial ACK could be lost, causing retransmission of server hello, even though handshake packets make it through.

etc.

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Closed #1748.

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"An endpoint SHOULD cancel pending retransmissions once it has receive= d and processed a valid packet on a higher crypto level. An endpoint MUST= ignore any packet received on a crypto level lower than the highest cryp= to level of any packet that it has received and processed". Or something.= It's late...

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad45ec8f711_4cbe3f8150ad45c458687-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 14:10:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29EBE130E09 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:10:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K1WnoZ6Q7Nvj for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B6DE130DEA for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 14:10:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538082630; bh=Q3qpGuwi/A24X9pUtOWR22LHEGGUYdidk9JqyO/DbFY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=iV8ntzQrWpAtA4GzJ7rogqFFaPDAHvfLivOZZP1/NjBv5GQAJYJAEM5Q6BjkEAmXW xIeDYwVZsbFi5nByS/aSCHJ6Suoq/W5w+3t8lu8Fuv0oJQg0Yt4hUE6VTGtIATfCiG MYkHxJbWDraitqfAI9f6dVY5OiB/+4N25wz7xJM4= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad4746dd3a4_4ec13ffb3c4d45b41416be"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:10:33 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad4746dd3a4_4ec13ffb3c4d45b41416be Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In my example, we've received Handshake packets from the server, but the server may need us to process another Initial packet. Your text is veering into the idea of implicit acks, which is a worthy but wider discussion. It also doesn't really work for clients retransmitting their FINISHED. The server has app keys, and that demonstrates nothing about receipt of FINISHED. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425244332 ----==_mimepart_5bad4746dd3a4_4ec13ffb3c4d45b41416be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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But the server wouldn't process the level above FINISHED before processing FINISHED, would it? Since it cannot trust the handshake until then.

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If the FINISHED is lost, the server could still send 1-RTT data in response to a 0-RTT request. Your rule would abort retransmission of FINISHED, leading to all sorts of problems.

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Correct, I am confusing crypto levels with packet number levels. If we modify the text to PN levels it might work, but I can see that gremlins might be hiding.

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Update Sec 4.1.1 of the TLS draft (@mi= kkelfj 's find above) to allow quietly dropping the packet when CRYPT= O overruns.

Seems reasonable, as a MAY.

Silently drop packets with CONN_CLOSE if we have received a higher enc= ryption level from the peer.

Mostly OK, but you might have already processed some frames when you h= it the CONNECTION_CLOSE. We'd need to address that.

When closing the connection, send CONNECTION_CLOSE with the latest key= s you have. If you haven't received a packet with those keys yet, also se= nd with the previous keys.

Send with the keys you know that your peer has. That is, if you have = received X, send with X. You might already be sending with X+1, but it i= sn't always guaranteed that your peer has X+1. For instance, the server = might be sending Handshake packets, but the client might not have process= ed all of the Initial yet.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -1478,6 +1469,12 @@ SETTINGS_MAX_FRAME_SIZE: SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE: : See {{settings-parameters}}. +In HTTP/QUIC, setting values are variable-length integers (6, 14, 30, or 62 bits +long) rather than fixed-length 32-bit fields. This will often produce a shorter +encoding, but will produce a longer encoding for settings which use the full +32-bit space. Settings ported from HTTP/2 might choose to redefine the format +of their settings to avoid using the 62-bit encoding. Secondary Certs currently stuffs an exporter in the setting value (to confirm both peers are on the same TLS connection with no MitM), and would overflow to an eight-byte field. It doesn't *require* changes, but it's advisable to either take advantage of the entire eight bytes or trim two bits off to still fit in four bytes. Hence, "might choose." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1807#discussion_r221103830 ----==_mimepart_5bad635fc578a_6d883fa4b56d45b810077f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1478,6 +1469,12 @@ SETTINGS_MAX_FRAME_SIZE:
 SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE:
 : See {{settings-parameters}}.
 
+In HTTP/QUIC, setting values are variable-length integers (6, 14, 30, or 62 bits
+long) rather than fixed-length 32-bit fields.  This will often produce a shorter
+encoding, but will produce a longer encoding for settings which use the full
+32-bit space.  Settings ported from HTTP/2 might choose to redefine the format
+of their settings to avoid using the 62-bit encoding.

Secondary Certs currently stuffs an exporter in the setting value (to confirm both peers are on the same TLS connection with no MitM), and would overflow to an eight-byte field. It doesn't require changes, but it's advisable to either take advantage of the entire eight bytes or trim two bits off to still fit in four bytes. Hence, "might choose."

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1478,6 +1469,12 @@ SETTINGS_MAX_FRAME_SIZE:
 SETTINGS_MAX_HEADER_LIST_SIZE:
 : See {{settings-parameters}}.
 
+In HTTP/QUIC, setting values are variable-length integers (6, 14, 30, or 62 bits
+long) rather than fixed-length 32-bit fields.  This will often produce a shorter
+encoding, but will produce a longer encoding for settings which use the full
+32-bit space.  Settings ported from HTTP/2 might choose to redefine the format
+of their settings to avoid using the 62-bit encoding.

In that case, how about starting the paragraph with 'Setting values are ...... rather than fixed length 32-bit fields as in HTTP/2." Currently you mention HTTP/QUIC in the HTTP/QUIC draft, and don't reference the thing you're comparing against(HTTP/2).

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Fixes #1697.

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----==_mimepart_5bad6af235ca5_72dc3f8edb4d45b481954-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 16:50:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76732130DD8 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:49:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yoneSarssMG8 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C1749128A6E for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 16:49:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538092197; bh=X6QJJDz7f3RSig0tJ6SkFFRrPb9pUBTs7dxx1Si7UWY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=mvmfEXH7cXCdBlh1d1lxPSwzu+ULIefxfyUVTTtd0fAfgy7+KspL7uvLU3gbDluhb j40wNxXCVlXMUGeUOLVuAWDC4lv/ke7lyv9Ma0GeVtXSxfXNm7GTQQ5FHLMIEUsINK DeLf2NI1H4YFLYPVOgAvej9mItKL+VJegyqnHDwo= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server's SETTINGS can be omitted in 0-RTT (#1809) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad6ca5b7af_5d2b3fe99f8d45b4215888"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:50:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad6ca5b7af_5d2b3fe99f8d45b4215888 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit #1808 adds a requirement to error out if the first frame on the control stream is not SETTINGS. There's an existing error for duplicate control streams. But what if the control stream never opens at all? The current state of SETTINGS is that: - In 1-RTT: Clients MUST wait until they see the server's SETTINGS frame before sending requests; the server MUST see the client's SETTINGS before sending any responses. If either side fails to open the control stream and send SETTINGS, the connection stalls. - In 0-RTT: Servers MUST wait until they see the client's SETTINGS frame before sending responses; this is no different. Clients, however, assume previous settings and update them *when* the server's SETTINGS frame is eventually seen. It is a violation for the server to send responses without having sent the SETTINGS frame. However, there is no requirement that clients validate this behavior because of reordering. This means that a spec-conformant client would interop just fine with a server that never sends SETTINGS on 0-RTT connections. Should we introduce a wait-for-SETTINGS requirement later in the connection (for example, before sending new requests in 1-RTT), or just hope that it's easier for servers to do the same compliant thing for both 0-RTT and 1-RTT connections? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1809 ----==_mimepart_5bad6ca5b7af_5d2b3fe99f8d45b4215888 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

#1808 adds a requirement to error out if the first frame on the control stream is not SETTINGS. There's an existing error for duplicate control streams. But what if the control stream never opens at all?

The current state of SETTINGS is that:

  • In 1-RTT: Clients MUST wait until they see the server's SETTINGS frame before sending requests; the server MUST see the client's SETTINGS before sending any responses. If either side fails to open the control stream and send SETTINGS, the connection stalls.
  • In 0-RTT: Servers MUST wait until they see the client's SETTINGS frame before sending responses; this is no different. Clients, however, assume previous settings and update them when the server's SETTINGS frame is eventually seen.

It is a violation for the server to send responses without having sent the SETTINGS frame. However, there is no requirement that clients validate this behavior because of reordering. This means that a spec-conformant client would interop just fine with a server that never sends SETTINGS on 0-RTT connections.

Should we introduce a wait-for-SETTINGS requirement later in the connection (for example, before sending new requests in 1-RTT), or just hope that it's easier for servers to do the same compliant thing for both 0-RTT and 1-RTT connections?

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Mostly OK, but you might have already processed some frames when you h= it the CONNECTION_CLOSE. We'd need to address that.

Yes, there are some unpleasant corner cases there.

Send with the keys you know that your peer has. That is, if you have r= eceived X, send with X. You might already be sending with X+1, but it isn= 't always guaranteed that your peer has X+1. For instance, the server mig= ht be sending Handshake packets, but the client might not have processed = all of the Initial yet.

This doesn't work with the second item. If I've received context X whi= le having sent X+1, this rule would force me to send CONN_CLOSE in X. If = X+1 arrives first, the receiver would ignore X.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad77ab76164_7b573fbca1ed45c017461e-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 18:08:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85C08130DC0 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:08:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5QnMsz6JaXk for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15821126F72 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:08:19 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538096899; bh=3PxKupMYhiBMjYJ1JUxVdqUUo8B7WNnmFPHBQbkFt9g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=hOYwd3zSZEXBYEuj7r8A3eIm4yteE7vNP/khWKng7xFG7TfaSLEWtqLecDfUBAm5a 977tSV9Nndh4UgzWWvDymDomNBb8hbtVubJMBZGzcMzuMuZW5pmy9S2cUCiyxx3baP R3axhA1GegvpW/rT3vholvJhOWwPwOQbnz9hNUAE= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad7f03eb784_45523fc9314d45c43113c0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:08:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad7f03eb784_45523fc9314d45c43113c0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's really motivating this is INITIAL, and HANDSHAKE packets introduce a lot of complications due to the late client FINISHED and relatively early application data. So let's separate the cases So, rules for sending CONN_CLOSE: - if you've received 1-RTT packets, use that, else - if you've received HANDSHAKE, use that, else - if you've sent HANDSHAKE but received only INITIAL, send in both in a coalesced packet, else - send in INITIAL for receiving - If it comes in INITIAL, and you have received HANDSHAKE, drop, else* - accept it. * I don't think there's a "what else have I processed" problem here. The spoofed packet could contain (1) an ACK of the Hello message, which is already implicit in the receipt of handshake packets (2) old crypto data, which triggers an ACK but is otherwise fine - what happens if we ACK an unsent packet? we might want to reverse the decision to ACK, I guess (3) New crypto data, which we should ignore given we've already moved on to handshake -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425288534 ----==_mimepart_5bad7f03eb784_45523fc9314d45c43113c0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What's really motivating this is INITIAL, and HANDSHAKE packets introd= uce a lot of complications due to the late client FINISHED and relatively= early application data. So let's separate the cases

So, rules for sending CONN_CLOSE:

  • if you've received 1-RTT packets, use that, else
  • if you've received HANDSHAKE, use that, else
  • if you've sent HANDSHAKE but received only INITIAL, send in both in a= coalesced packet, else
  • send in INITIAL

for receiving

  • If it comes in INITIAL, and you have received HANDSHAKE, drop, else*<= /li>
  • accept it.
  • I don't think there's a "what else have I processed" problem here. Th= e spoofed packet could contain
    (1) an ACK of the Hello message, which is already implicit in the receipt= of handshake packets
    (2) old crypto data, which triggers an ACK but is otherwise fine - what h= appens if we ACK an unsent packet? we might want to reverse the decision = to ACK, I guess
    (3) New crypto data, which we should ignore given we've already moved on = to handshake

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad7f03eb784_45523fc9314d45c43113c0-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 18:25:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356AE130DCA for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hX5YXbtwnLRf for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F095126F72 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:24:55 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538097895; bh=Dkz0HD0kBJ6/DLsXI1iG1yHu9uIwGP6v3Api7AuAfhY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ug+vR7KD8HPktSiy0+gYmWuJ4YT4tF+hnQvuQtd9dbm1+4EyTqsKhbiozfGa3ah+j KfzSUc8p/Dnr0cd/0gp+aIuqUUzhar21Q9715qx+oq+6SZLqyMeOv3J6aH/xLGqmqz JGhPAITp9RlCqIxhzcatFjYiTPXoElcZr4ISXzrs= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad82e7bb3aa_29e73faee78d45c040894c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:24:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad82e7bb3aa_29e73faee78d45c040894c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If the Initial arrives with frame types that aren't valid in the Initial, you're going to have to decide how to handle it. This could easily happen after you receive a valid frame. But even if the STREAM frame is the only thing in the invalid Initial, it's effect would be to close the connection, correct? By reading your 3 items, it seems like at some point we should mostly ignore Initial packets, but send an ACK? I think the sender text is fairly straightforward, but we have 3 options I'm aware of on the receiver side: 1) Require implicit ACKs. 2) Instruct the receiver to ACK Initial encryption after receiving Handshake, but not process them. 3) Decide we don't care about injection attacks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425291149 ----==_mimepart_5bad82e7bb3aa_29e73faee78d45c040894c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If the Initial arrives with frame types that aren't valid in the Initi= al, you're going to have to decide how to handle it. This could easily h= appen after you receive a valid frame. But even if the STREAM frame is t= he only thing in the invalid Initial, it's effect would be to close the c= onnection, correct?

By reading your 3 items, it seems like at some point we should mostly = ignore Initial packets, but send an ACK?

I think the sender text is fairly straightforward, but we have 3 optio= ns I'm aware of on the receiver side:

  1. Require implicit ACKs.
  2. Instruct the receiver to ACK Initial encryption after receiving Hands= hake, but not process them.
  3. Decide we don't care about injection attacks.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad82e7bb3aa_29e73faee78d45c040894c-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 18:48:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3DE130DD5 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:48:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qlwXJUl4Rw9g for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D934130DD4 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 18:48:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538099325; bh=D/uya7XIzbqoiksWnMg3JNVAhMCqxReqsY4h9tYorSk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=aCxU7D8hdpMF4eeB7CLkg0NlEhBOeXqL+hioMG5XLJVWNAT3M9JV7K7c6/0XZvGKz lLZnkggWsQy8M/wD9CmLT9IQjf+J5G4e6QXNrRC3hApyBgVKcPrTvCR5hXFht1scY0 Ed8oLvgBJiizORPQcFEoPPVq3ayfP6Bfta6Z6FEc= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bad887d8d6a6_24b23f7f0b8d45b82367d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:48:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bad887d8d6a6_24b23f7f0b8d45b82367d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think you're convincing me to generalize this issue into "Don't tear down the connection due to a Initial Packet if you're already at Handshake or later". We'll always be vulnerable to injection, but by carefully wording it we can limit that vulnerablity to 1.5 RTTs. That is much simpler guidance and avoids opening all the issues that this discussion has brought up.. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425294726 ----==_mimepart_5bad887d8d6a6_24b23f7f0b8d45b82367d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think you're convincing me to generalize this issue into "Don't tear= down the connection due to a Initial Packet if you're already at Handsha= ke or later". We'll always be vulnerable to injection, but by carefully w= ording it we can limit that vulnerablity to 1.5 RTTs.

That is much simpler guidance and avoids opening all the issues that t= his discussion has brought up..

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= ----==_mimepart_5bad887d8d6a6_24b23f7f0b8d45b82367d5-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 20:41:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522B6130DC3 for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:41:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MqdADDybdKxR for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A8C171271FF for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:41:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538106104; bh=Lrm/5ctfraETDEojhMuhR3crcT/ot+kkq97FSsf9AlY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wm1SDsuv0BKJ3jNDmUYKaNWcqdeOGZUM0Rsncaz+xoZaU7zygF/9rNd1ncYctPX2o KPBWslBK/3VpwP7H8nlKIV7mF7Iq9g7NGNcIoNbtHfYTM8Z7PD9KwU7mIItDtgVBuL BA5ruhLzDhdLvM3izVQRsqth5FfsyVEa1psmDQEk= From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bada2f8299d0_1ac73fa9b30d45c041223"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 03:41:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bada2f8299d0_1ac73fa9b30d45c041223 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That guidance is confusing to me. We end up in this special realm where we accept initial packets, but only if they don't close the connection? My sense is that there are no "good" reasons that a receiver would need to process an initial packet other than to ACK them. Is that right? If so, it sure seems like a cleaner solution to this problem is Ian's option 1: Implicit ACKs. Drop initial keys ASAP and then we need no special handling for this case. But perhaps the situation is more subtle than I'm thinking about? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425311632 ----==_mimepart_5bada2f8299d0_1ac73fa9b30d45c041223 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That guidance is confusing to me. We end up in this special realm wher= e we accept initial packets, but only if they don't close the connection?= My sense is that there are no "good" reasons that a receiver would need = to process an initial packet other than to ACK them. Is that right? If so= , it sure seems like a cleaner solution to this problem is Ian's option 1= : Implicit ACKs. Drop initial keys ASAP and then we need no special handl= ing for this case.

But perhaps the situation is more subtle than I'm thinking about?

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This is an interesting issue!

I might argue for banning the server from sending SETTINGS when 0-RTT is used. The client will assume that the SETTINGS obtained in the previous connection to be valid for during 0-RTT and 1-RTT.

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----==_mimepart_5bada578eae3f_30f73f81408d45b8949ea-- From nobody Thu Sep 27 21:21:43 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39DC6130DDB for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:21:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7oQPe9CrQbEK for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B7B61271FF for ; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:21:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 21:21:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538108498; bh=gm0qWaJtS5P91eSNuifnkdyqK0/irMLfsiL6xuCKKqQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2Pk/F3+LVEBB2+/h6OmipWeED9oo6qPajk/bzeSzK7kwCK/yFj27wtLRADkS3Sbsc D8NL3S4LJRw/NZixZPMNeJQb0Ktm6oJhZbHBlZVnybScpvV3ZRSbfx86jnWlk5M9Ha LAdcq6cf84AsSoeuSLioZ21Ln5LbJxtv1CpMx95o= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe a new version negotiation mechanism which allows for (#1755) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5badac528a482_12623fb2e6ad45c01662c8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 04:21:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5badac528a482_12623fb2e6ad45c01662c8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett The case I am concerned is like below. Client and server supports both v1 and vX. Client prefers using vX, and sends Initial using vX format. Middlebox intercepts that, and injects a Retry that only allows v1. In response, client sends Initial using v1 format. TP will still include v1 and vX. Now the server sees that the client supports both v1 and vX, but does not have a clue that the client _preferred_ using vX. Hence the handshake succeeds using v1. At this point, downgrade attack succeeds. The key observation here is that it is only the client that knows what the initially tried version is. Therefore, we currently require the client to verify if there has been an attempt to downgrade. The proposed change removes that requirement without a replacement. If we want to let the server select the version, I think that we should require the client to send it's original version number using TP so that the server can determine if there was a downgrade attack. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1755#issuecomment-425316849 ----==_mimepart_5badac528a482_12623fb2e6ad45c01662c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett The case I am concerne= d is like below.

Client and server supports both v1 and vX.

Client prefers using vX, and sends Initial using vX format. Middlebox = intercepts that, and injects a Retry that only allows v1. In response, c= lient sends Initial using v1 format. TP will still include v1 and vX.

=

Now the server sees that the client supports both v1 and vX, but does = not have a clue that the client preferred using vX. Hence the ha= ndshake succeeds using v1. At this point, downgrade attack succeeds.

The key observation here is that it is only the client that knows what= the initially tried version is. Therefore, we currently require the clie= nt to verify if there has been an attempt to downgrade. The proposed chan= ge removes that requirement without a replacement.

If we want to let the server select the version, I think that we shoul= d require the client to send it's original version number using TP so tha= t the server can determine if there was a downgrade attack.

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= ----==_mimepart_5badac528a482_12623fb2e6ad45c01662c8-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 01:33:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8100D130DCE for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:33:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EMptxQEYfrJN for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E6193130DC9 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:33:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538123604; bh=zL/2BAeiwXJxctQVcHQsySy7RQn1lf/J+OawaoQLiz0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZzME6URTq27qMQBHZruhlPqcMguC/oBZTdRkDwJvmc/Ic9h3Vh7U3LUhNOJ8f/Pk1 NGbWj5U5i1toNseB62GogaxDRDVM47BjpjXVbvC0rfC+7sFlAtcJksbuTr3JNL1yMX Mq2ILyNW9EL+F5qcsJMrutDqv7YCb2XEbP9vzSQA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bade754c4212_10333ff4fa6d45b455386f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:33:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bade754c4212_10333ff4fa6d45b455386f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett > I think the sender text is fairly straightforward, but we have 3 options I'm aware of on the receiver side: > > 1. Require implicit ACKs. > 2. Instruct the receiver to ACK Initial encryption after receiving Handshake, but not process them. > 3. Decide we don't care about injection attacks. IIRC the discussion during the handshake redesign process was that we should not care about injection attacks, though the design allows stacks to implement countermeasures (see [TLS Handshake Messsages on QUIC; section 3.4](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1fRsJqPinJl8N3b-bflDRV6auojfJLkxddT93j6SwHY8/edit)). For a middlebox, the easiest way of disrupting a handshake is to send a crafted Initial in response to the client's first flight. We do require the endpoints to implement protection for that. So I do not think there is a reason to care about injection attacks happening at a later moment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425363631 ----==_mimepart_5bade754c4212_10333ff4fa6d45b455386f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett

I think the sender text is fairly straightforward, but we have 3 optio= ns I'm aware of on the receiver side:

  1. Require implicit ACKs.
  2. Instruct the receiver to ACK Initial encryption after receiving Hands= hake, but not process them.
  3. Decide we don't care about injection attacks.

IIRC the discussion during the handshake redesign process was that we = should not care about injection attacks, though the design allows stacks = to implement countermeasures (see TLS Handshake Messsages on QUIC; section 3.4).

For a middlebox, the easiest way of disrupting a handshake is to send = a crafted Initial in response to the client's first flight. We do require= the endpoints to implement protection for that. So I do not think there = is a reason to care about injection attacks happening at a later moment.<= /p>

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= ----==_mimepart_5bade754c4212_10333ff4fa6d45b455386f-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 01:40:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 090DE130DCE for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:40:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bKW4nMbwZkRq for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35BC8126BED for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 01:40:27 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538124027; bh=zcWoGrI2sjNkhCZ7UUoJolHptuwjRjCTopMP0p2wyAI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WORf3HDUevLPdcAncFXN9GOooKJRYlNOCiffB0H0U4rDMKwHiihLJIQUlyL2bnXsq mU5MXr0mT4fWaeWnxLzWoQr0Jr54nN5i7OwM9TNAEGtfIoDZJJtn2iw0i5lgL0SvEt wBVtllQPe57RTZNPpkBndb1fAyrqNF0TStRMFE4M= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bade8fb5db51_4d4f3fc0250d45c43124b8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 08:40:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bade8fb5db51_4d4f3fc0250d45c43124b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, the specs says that you MUST terminate the connection. You can't countermeasure that without not being QUIC. I don't really care about implicit ACKs when seen as an optimization, but as a way to protect the connection it is the only thing that makes sense. All the other stop gaps are complex and deals with single cases. As @martinduke has pointed out, there are also issues with implicit acks, but I would be surprised if they can't be ironed out - for example by considered PN spaces instead of crypto level as I suggested earlier. I'm also wondering if the FINISHED could be sent as the first frame on the 1-RTT crypto level. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425365465 ----==_mimepart_5bade8fb5db51_4d4f3fc0250d45c43124b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, the specs says that you MUST terminate the connection. You can't= countermeasure that without not being QUIC.

I don't really care about implicit ACKs when seen as an optimization, = but as a way to protect the connection it is the only thing that makes se= nse. All the other stop gaps are complex and deals with single cases. As = @martinduke has pointed out, ther= e are also issues with implicit acks, but I would be surprised if they ca= n't be ironed out - for example by considered PN spaces instead of crypto= level as I suggested earlier.

I'm also wondering if the FINISHED could be sent as the first frame on= the 1-RTT crypto level.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bade8fb5db51_4d4f3fc0250d45c43124b8-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 02:23:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFA17130E01 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:23:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iqjr6N9JZFWR for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36181130DC8 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 02:23:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538126600; bh=/nK37sHnxMid/7L3Zn1qt1cRF7Qmzy92HeM4okuexqk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BXzxFGBw1rl4AQFeVHs8Iy15jRWG6RLZvFKDtdwTzO8CsuofkvhvIdFeiCW6JeSZy w4kzgSUHiGPCSn+b/ftOFbU1rQkX+4i2m4oTwKprpXA5dW26kWBsh6PWRet+s01yCI rsbaK3Ch3m6q3U8XErXH110WSlEXtRkvAiU3oH3Y= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5badf30844ad_5d573fdce06d45b4530465"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 09:23:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5badf30844ad_5d573fdce06d45b4530465 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well, the specs says that you MUST terminate the connection. You can't countermeasure that without not being QUIC. You cannot process packets once you drop the keys, meaning that you would never see the CONNECTION_CLOSE packet, or anything else that might disrupt the handshake. Therefore, what an endpoint that is cautious of detecting attacks should do is drop the Initial key at the earliest moment. I simply do not see why we need to handle CONNECTION_CLOSE differently than other frames that we might see in a Initial packet that arrives at a later moment. And in regard to the philosophical question of if ignoring a Initial packet that you detected and found a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is against the spec., my argument would be that stacks are allowed to do whatever they want in these circumstances. In my view, it is the same as having a packet filter that drops suspicious TCP packets. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425377046 ----==_mimepart_5badf30844ad_5d573fdce06d45b4530465 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Well, the specs says that you MUST terminate the connection. You can't= countermeasure that without not being QUIC.

You cannot process packets once you drop the keys, meaning that you wo= uld never see the CONNECTION_CLOSE packet, or anything else that might di= srupt the handshake. Therefore, what an endpoint that is cautious of dete= cting attacks should do is drop the Initial key at the earliest moment. I= simply do not see why we need to handle CONNECTION_CLOSE differently tha= n other frames that we might see in a Initial packet that arrives at a la= ter moment.

And in regard to the philosophical question of if ignoring a Initial p= acket that you detected and found a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame is against the= spec., my argument would be that stacks are allowed to do whatever they = want in these circumstances. In my view, it is the same as having a packe= t filter that drops suspicious TCP packets.

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Current design requires the contents of the Version Negotiation packet and the value of the supported_versions field of the Transport Parameters to be identical.

In practice, this is a requirement hard to meet.

Consider the case of upgrading the server from a version that supports v1 only to a version that supports v1 and v2.

If a client accesses the server running the old version using v2, it would receive a Version Negotiation packet and retry with a v1 Initial. If the server was upgraded before the v1 Initial is received, then the server will include both v1 and v2 in the Transport Parameters, and the client will terminate the handshake considering that a version downgrade attack has been mounted.

Same issue arises when you have a server cluster. The first Initial (that is responded by a Version Negotiation packet) and the second Initial might be delivered to a different node of a server cluster supporting different set of QUIC versions (note: it is rare to upgrade all the nodes behind a server cluster atomically).

IMO, we should either drop version downgrade attack prevention as a whole (as have been proposed in #1755), or move the detection logic to the server-side (e.g., by requiring the client to include in TP all the versions that it preferred to use rather than the version found in the packet header) so that the server could ignore the timing issues during an upgrade.

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Fixes #1487

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1199,6 +1199,11 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
 with the one transport parameter.
 
+Extension frames MUST be contestion controlled and MUST cause an ACK frame to

congestion

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@LPardue commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1199,6 +1199,11 @@ that a peer is able to understand the frame.  An endpoint can use a transport
 parameter to signal its willingness to receive one or more extension frame types
 with the one transport parameter.
 
+Extension frames MUST be contestion controlled and MUST cause an ACK frame to
+be sent.  The exception is extension frames that replace or supplement the ACK
+frame.  Extension frames are not included in flow control unless specifically
+specified in the extension.

Specifically specified can probably be reduced to just specified

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -149,7 +149,9 @@ peer's SETTINGS frame.
 
 Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
 end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
-equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty. The
+encoder MUST NOT evict a dynamic table entry unless it has first been

This is a much stricter limit than the one in the original proposal (#1644), which limits the number of unacked insertions to MaxEntries. This restriction is used to prevent encoder from doing silly things. I understand that we want this in, but I'd rather we did not put more than one change into a single commit.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -safe to process the rest of the block.
+safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
+zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+
+~~~
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+~~~
+
+The decoder reconstructs the Largest Reference using the following algorithm:
+
+~~~
+   if LargestReference > 0:
+      LargestReference -= 1
+      CurrentWrapped = TableLargestAbsoluteIndex mod 2*MaxEntries
+
+      if CurrentWrapped >= LargestReference + MaxEntries:

It seems this range is one too long: [ LargestReference - MaxEntries, LargestReference + MaxEntries ] is 2 * MaxEntries + 1 long, while the actual valid range is at most 2 * MaxEntries. I don't yet know whether this is a problem, as I have to get used to this version of the logic.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +### Calculating Table Size
+
+The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.
+
+The size of an entry is the sum of its name's length in octets (as defined in
+{{string-literals}}), its value's length in octets, and 32.
+
+The size of an entry is calculated using the length of its name and value
+without any Huffman encoding applied.
+
+`MaxEntries` is the maximum number of entries that the dynamic table can have.
+The smallest entry has empty name and value strings and has the size of 32.
+The MaxEntries is calculated as
+
+~~~
+   MaxEntries = floor( MaxTableSize / 32 )

Why would it be ceil? Integer division calls for floor. What kind of edge cases do you mean, @MikeBishop?

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -149,7 +149,9 @@ peer's SETTINGS frame.
 
 Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
 end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
-equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty. The
+encoder MUST NOT evict a dynamic table entry unless it has first been

Ah. That's a subtle difference I had missed. This PR already has a couple things in it (how to calculate table size, for example).

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -safe to process the rest of the block.
+safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
+zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+
+~~~
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+~~~
+
+The decoder reconstructs the Largest Reference using the following algorithm:
+
+~~~
+   if LargestReference > 0:
+      LargestReference -= 1
+      CurrentWrapped = TableLargestAbsoluteIndex mod 2*MaxEntries
+
+      if CurrentWrapped >= LargestReference + MaxEntries:

If you have a more compact or straightforward way to express the logic I'll happily accept it. I agree this is hard to read. I wrote the conditionals using addition rather than subtraction to avoid underflow/negative number cases.

In my C++ code I also have an error check that LargestReference on the wire is in the range [0, 2*MaxEntries +1]. Perhaps we need a line saying that receiving an LR outside the valid range must result in a connection error?

That said, I'm pretty sure it works - I wrote a script to test it with a lot (~100B combinations) of different table sizes, decoder base and largest reference values and I get the correct decoded LR each time.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -149,7 +149,9 @@ peer's SETTINGS frame.
 
 Before a new entry is added to the dynamic table, entries are evicted from the
 end of the dynamic table until the size of the dynamic table is less than or
-equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty.
+equal to (maximum size - new entry size) or until the table is empty. The
+encoder MUST NOT evict a dynamic table entry unless it has first been

I see. I usually squash my commits when merging from a branch.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -safe to process the rest of the block.
+safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
+zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+
+~~~
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+~~~
+
+The decoder reconstructs the Largest Reference using the following algorithm:
+
+~~~
+   if LargestReference > 0:
+      LargestReference -= 1
+      CurrentWrapped = TableLargestAbsoluteIndex mod 2*MaxEntries
+
+      if CurrentWrapped >= LargestReference + MaxEntries:

OK. As long as it works.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -safe to process the rest of the block.
+safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
+zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+
+~~~
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+~~~
+
+The decoder reconstructs the Largest Reference using the following algorithm:
+
+~~~
+   if LargestReference > 0:
+      LargestReference -= 1
+      CurrentWrapped = TableLargestAbsoluteIndex mod 2*MaxEntries
+
+      if CurrentWrapped >= LargestReference + MaxEntries:

It makes sense -- if it can be either MaxEntries greater or MaxEntries lesser, then you have 2*MaxEntries + 1 items, counting the one you're currently on. There's always ambiguity at the far end -- the end values in the range are equivalent -- but because those ambiguous entries are always MaxEntries away, they can't be sent without evicting something unacknowledged or referencing something already evicted, both of which are prohibited.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> +### Calculating Table Size
+
+The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.
+
+The size of an entry is the sum of its name's length in octets (as defined in
+{{string-literals}}), its value's length in octets, and 32.
+
+The size of an entry is calculated using the length of its name and value
+without any Huffman encoding applied.
+
+`MaxEntries` is the maximum number of entries that the dynamic table can have.
+The smallest entry has empty name and value strings and has the size of 32.
+The MaxEntries is calculated as
+
+~~~
+   MaxEntries = floor( MaxTableSize / 32 )

I was concerned that the doubling could cause this to give us one less entry than we need, but after playing with some edge table sizes for a few minutes, this seems to work.

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I think we don't want to remove the client's initially-offered version= or the server's list of other supported versions -- they're there for va= lid reasons and are still needed. The client's original version is used = for the server to ensure that the VN wasn't spurious. The server's other= supported versions are useful for the client to remember and pick a more= -preferred version next time.

This optimization should strictly add to the VN information in the han= dshake, with a list of compatible version the server could switch to in i= ts response.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1773,75 +1793,9 @@ a transport parameter therefore disables any optional protocol feature that is
 negotiated using the parameter.
 
 New transport parameters can be registered according to the rules in
-{{iana-transport-parameters}}.
-
-
-### Version Negotiation Validation {#version-validation}

Build failure is because you've removed this section without updating the other places in the draft that reference it. (Incidentally, the pre-commit hooks should have blocked you from committing something that doesn't build -- can you run make update to make sure that's installed?)

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Guidelines on how to decide which version is preferable? Is that a local configuration? Or list order in TP? An IoT device might be able to speak all versions, but have vastly different preferences from a high powered server.

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I think preference is always in the hands of the one who switches, wit= h ability to constrain options on the other party. So I'd frame it as:

  • Client begins with the version it thinks is most likely to be support= ed
  • Includes a list of compatible versions it considers equally-or-more p= referred
  • Server either chooses the most preferred from the set of (used, offer= ed), or sends VN if there's no overlap
  • Client learns from VN or the transport parameters the set of versions= the server is offering; if it sees something it likes better, it remembe= rs to offer that in the future.

There's not necessarily an obligation to disclose every version you're= capable of speaking; you might only disclose the ones you want a peer to= use.

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If we want to let the server select the version, I think that we shoul= d require the client to send it's original version number using TP so tha= t the server can determine if there was a downgrade attack.

This does. The client lists all its supported versions. We can - as = is customary - insist that the client puts its preferences first. But a = consequence of this design is that the server ultimately decides which ve= rsion is used.

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> -safe to process the rest of the block.
+safe to process the rest of the block.  If Largest Reference is greater than
+zero, the encoder transforms it as follows before encoding:
+
+~~~
+   LargestReference = LargestReference mod 2*MaxEntries + 1
+~~~
+
+The decoder reconstructs the Largest Reference using the following algorithm:
+
+~~~
+   if LargestReference > 0:
+      LargestReference -= 1
+      CurrentWrapped = TableLargestAbsoluteIndex mod 2*MaxEntries
+
+      if CurrentWrapped >= LargestReference + MaxEntries:

I think the phantom entry is decoder base - MaxEntries. The encoder can be a full MaxEntries ahead of the decoder, but cannot reference a header MaxEntries less than decoder base, it has necessarily been evicted.

As such, the second conditional should read

else if CurrentWrapped + MaxEntries < LargestReference

My verification script had a bug that prevented it from testing this exact edge case! It is the case where CurrentWrapped == MaxEntries - 1 and LargestReference = 2*MaxEntries - 1. CurrentWrapped + MaxEntries identifies an entry the decoder does not yet have.

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Merged #1811 into master.

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Isn't STOPPING essentially the no error case?

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I would prefer to have the SETTINGS frame always present.

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----==_mimepart_5bae7f1f33e85_74893fae102d45bc42810-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 12:22:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BC62130E7C for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:22:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SR6HEJVLJBqa for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FBDA12958B for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 12:22:32 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538162552; bh=DkWlbGGEw+L2DZWyo9K3gQ6gYunV9iVAFlc9NzOoBDI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Il95LWcXjQfWcIJGP5V2SJwDwFKEda7NNKmXjeXcboM0zSQGVfAYlU3cTqbOcnjuj pMqlqR4f/IiMiwR8mrXCX14GE+xn9aV9s7oyZfaKpqJWwCJEioTjxTOUKquxhgVeuH nuBGzEx3byPkLRaPNZhEDViq3f+Uc7y/cZqBanzE= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae7f78cc1c5_6da3fb2e22d45b870055"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 19:22:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae7f78cc1c5_6da3fb2e22d45b870055 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The more I was thinking, if you agree that after you send a STOP_SENDING frame out, you won't indicate anything up to the app layer when you receive any RST_STREAM frame, then the actual error code value doesn't really matter. At most it gets logged locally, and that's it. We can say that the entire number space is open to the application layer; but we only indicate it up if we haven't sent a STOP_SENDING (i.e. the app layer hasn't closed/shutdown that pipe already). So, if we haven't sent a STOP_SENDING, then the received RST_STREAM must contain an app error code. If we have sent a STOP_SENDING, then the RST_STREAM might contain either an app error code or a STOPPING value (whatever that is...) but we don't really care, because we will just ignore it. Then, we can either leave STOPPING as is or just get rid of it entirely and let the implementation send whatever it wants, since we will just ignore it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425540297 ----==_mimepart_5bae7f78cc1c5_6da3fb2e22d45b870055 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The more I was thinking, if you agree that after you send a STOP_SENDI= NG frame out, you won't indicate anything up to the app layer when you re= ceive any RST_STREAM frame, then the actual error code value doesn't real= ly matter. At most it gets logged locally, and that's it.

We can say that the entire number space is open to the application lay= er; but we only indicate it up if we haven't sent a STOP_SENDING (i.e. th= e app layer hasn't closed/shutdown that pipe already).

So, if we haven't sent a STOP_SENDING, then the received RST_STREAM mu= st contain an app error code. If we have sent a STOP_SENDING, then the RS= T_STREAM might contain either an app error code or a STOPPING value (what= ever that is...) but we don't really care, because we will just ignore it= .

Then, we can either leave STOPPING as is or just get rid of it entirel= y and let the implementation send whatever it wants, since we will just i= gnore it.

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That would work. It messes with our pattern of specifying error codes for these conditions, but I think that I would be happier with that than having this odd carve-out.

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This should be addressed by the proposal on the table for #1773.

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@nibanks @martinthomson +1

I was a bit worried about the interaction with QPACK, but it seems like a needless fear. Section 5.3.3 seems to already talk about abandoning a stream.

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----==_mimepart_5bae8cc74f11e_11783ffd34cd45bc9269e-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 13:22:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62747130E68 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:22:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D65mziASCv6J for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD2F812F1A2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:22:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538166162; bh=scpVy/pYd1kHkV6n3UJiEx56miEhNnt4/pkvLhsCyh8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0JrEW9JiLMIqFGlXesNDeDxDheKqzgQoMe/+NH6cFMkNi6VOZ9mJ0XncehgQEuBg4 G8gTN9eLoKdS0IPmkclXn6X6PAgy8ufnG2mXKaSYwUeZeQs5MGA8qlawnFK+GV1VCr O7j3G0ctcxWsTdDZH1QN5BSaruGMJctN8H5nlqW8= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server's SETTINGS can be omitted in 0-RTT (#1809) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae8d92589f9_34793f9b3ced45c41417fb"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:22:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae8d92589f9_34793f9b3ced45c41417fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree; I don't like the idea of banning SETTINGS, because it means rejecting 0-RTT any time the server's settings are different, not just when they've become more restrictive. The real question is whether it's worth introducing a mechanism to ensure the SETTINGS frame is present. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1809#issuecomment-425555176 ----==_mimepart_5bae8d92589f9_34793f9b3ced45c41417fb Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree; I don't like the idea of banning SETTINGS, because it means r= ejecting 0-RTT any time the server's settings are different, not just whe= n they've become more restrictive. The real question is whether it's wor= th introducing a mechanism to ensure the SETTINGS frame is present.

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----==_mimepart_5bae8e48a9dde_67bd3fcc148d45bc1123b3-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 13:31:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D7412F1A2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:31:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id usXLgWFn2s32 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78442127B92 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:31:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538166669; bh=0LXIyUTxle213XgJ93QqMt3+ODAOlllBwvwGi8uC0r0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=J0l/+c6WmaJ4/uXLtprTngOal6zIvBrHi4eEoEwv77uGh3Aam2KSA4CcaehSbbWY3 TpZQ4G2FO9S/MZgnXX+DDpDnXHnONiCkGMEYrqFkrkpmBebUQh5kC0vXKXByHJ1Bj+ 143INiWLroQQ+Fuk3YP2IxwimIIaOd2+LLKXAe18= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae8f8d6ed92_d3f3f93facd45c411014a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:31:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae8f8d6ed92_d3f3f93facd45c411014a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The difficulty with that is, if the transport implementation sends "whatever it wants," then it's stomping on / making assumptions about the code in the application's own space. It's better to have one carve-out defined in the spec than each implementation creating its own uncoordinated carve-out. I think the transport doc either needs to specify a single carve-out so implementations are coordinated, or make the error code optional and specify that it's omitted in response to a RST_STREAM. (Which is equivalent to a STOPPING frame.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425557306 ----==_mimepart_5bae8f8d6ed92_d3f3f93facd45c411014a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The difficulty with that is, if the transport implementation sends "wh= atever it wants," then it's stomping on / making assumptions about the co= de in the application's own space. It's better to have one carve-out def= ined in the spec than each implementation creating its own uncoordinated = carve-out.

I think the transport doc either needs to specify a single carve-out s= o implementations are coordinated, or make the error code optional and sp= ecify that it's omitted in response to a RST_STREAM. (Which is equivalen= t to a STOPPING frame.)

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= ----==_mimepart_5bae8f8d6ed92_d3f3f93facd45c411014a-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 13:33:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A28112F1A2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:33:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aJUQbKYEc0Z6 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC73D127B92 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:33:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538166780; bh=Z2m34SF1t5m9YWCIxDIPDzuMb6UIw4/dVWFlcqVR3g8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=sb3rNLj/neDE8xdv6/+4OE4blA34cX8zZ2Q6ch6LkKdO9kbn9dCEHveOMGBJcYLpe mcfKkwIKYzTOw+m/o9uMxA8DV3wxDJuZ1agxFagkKOp/yqpd6QmOvBs1CmwciPrx9e 57V8Eiu1hk+KIkZdsn1lVBcgK1amZBuHN0vPuYxY= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae8ffcd2b71_3c213f9b3ced45c41423ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:33:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae8ffcd2b71_3c213f9b3ced45c41423ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @MikeBishop I disagree for the reasons I stated above. When you have sent a STOP_SENDING, the error code you receive in RST_STREAM is irrelevant; because you won't do anything with it. It's not stomping on the application layer's error codes because it doesn't get delivered to them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425557714 ----==_mimepart_5bae8ffcd2b71_3c213f9b3ced45c41423ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@MikeBishop I disagree for the reasons I stated above. Wh= en you have sent a STOP_SENDING, the error code you receive in RST_STREAM= is irrelevant; because you won't do anything with it. It's not stomping = on the application layer's error codes because it doesn't get delivered t= o them.

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----==_mimepart_5bae9038b10f7_7edb3fcb610d45b42312f8-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 13:34:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E4F4127B92 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:34:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2SwrwwG0OWGo for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 264E012F1A2 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:34:01 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538166841; bh=FwVEn0O9upa5NDzeuU/BqF/4qMdEnPSyDGB52KHITic=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=z+kgGf47Rifg99KZcMCKuMmfm0sJqS4nYZvv8CbzdC3ADpSufbFUN2N19CDmCaOtn 7tnq2VVc0POn3YdU759z1dW3tuljXggJVdIwsJ34Ly1+EjeK+neHhFdU09Mzo31Uj9 s0OA9ZxMbHc68j5ZO9m51fie/X03fdBDc768I1N0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reconsider multiple Retry packets (#1709) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae90394fc53_112a3ffd34cd45bc15894c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:34:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae90394fc53_112a3ffd34cd45bc15894c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Closed #1709. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1709#event-1874411017 ----==_mimepart_5bae90394fc53_112a3ffd34cd45bc15894c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closed #1709.

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That's an implementation choice. I think that #1808 covers things well enough. I don't see any reason to - for example - force the client to wait on SETTINGS before writing requests in 1-RTT, for example.

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----==_mimepart_5bae908f4c813_357a3fac286d45c01500c1-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 13:42:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E9C6130E6A for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3q6iBCwgZPtw for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA22C130E68 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 13:42:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538167323; bh=af6NnZEyr66wkpP+EZKLmamjxyhHOdgoqDboBE0oa/U=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AWrw9myQ0aqTn7T8w9rYwxW1f41YjNiVUdLIKWydFf13ah9x+qispknRgOBK+DWPX l3od8Vcjf+6VxTTqP3QeNHTfEmWWT6ejnd18tseEwspc0x4shq3RAgeDI/i35+dXTl pVKr1ofuNYzK6JEbYuJoVoEVFtsOPUyzZEmndB54= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae921b8703_11a83ffd34cd45bc245894"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 20:42:06 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae921b8703_11a83ffd34cd45bc245894 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah if we agree that some QUIC stacks **may** ignore the error code of a RST_STREAM frame received after sending STOP_SENDING, then the value we assign for STOPPED is irrelevant for such stacks. OTOH, the value needs to be defined if we agree to allow the existence of stacks that do **not** ignore, and for such stacks, we might argue that assigning a non-zero value makes sense. The question is, do we want to allow both ways of implementing QUIC? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425559847 ----==_mimepart_5bae921b8703_11a83ffd34cd45bc245894 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yeah if we agree that some QUIC stacks may ignore the= error code of a RST_STREAM frame received after sending STOP_SENDING, th= en the value we assign for STOPPED is irrelevant for such stacks. OTOH, t= he value needs to be defined if we agree to allow the existence of stacks= that do not ignore, and for such stacks, we might argue= that assigning a non-zero value makes sense.

The question is, do we want to allow both ways of implementing QUIC?

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@kazuho that's a good way to put it. Personally, I see very lit= tle value in not ignoring the error code. For one, I imagine most impleme= ntations wouldn't even have a good way to indicate it up, since the app l= ayer has already closed it. So my vote would be to not allow both ways an= d just always ignore it.

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nit: Above, you meant the middlebox injects a VN, not Retry, correct?<= /p>

Yes. Thank you for noticing that.

My thinking was the client would only list other versions it likes as = well or better than the version it initially tried. ie: it'd try 1, but a= lso list 2.

That's certainly an option, but then you cannot detect downgrade attac= ks that happen between the wire-compatible versions too.

IMO, it is beneficial to define two version negotiation mechanisms (i.= e. one uses VN and one uses the proposed method) as independent as possib= le, and that leads me to think that the client should include all the ver= sions it can use in the TP, regardless of what the interaction using VN w= as.

In my mind, the question of timing comes down to whether we think this= will be helpful to upgrade from draft IETF versions to the 'final' v1 . = I'd like to think the frames are not likely to change prior to v1 so that= feature won't need to be exercised, but that's probably wishful thinking= .

That makes sense. Thank you for pointing that out.

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Not quite as esoteric I'm afraid. I'd suggest Yet Another Error Code. That, or Yeti Animals Exist Covertly.

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Based on the draft, a receiver can compute MAX_DATA as below:

"A receiver might use a sum of bytes consumed on all contributing streams to determine the maximum data limit to be advertised."

But if the receiver misbehaves and advertises MAX_DATA (for example, 2MB) that doesn't comply with MAX_STREAM_DATA (for example, 3MB), does that mean that the sender is blocked if it has already sent up to 2MB?

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Yes, that's exactly the point of connection-level flow control.

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----==_mimepart_5bae990ae6fd8_27753fb44d2d45c498693-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 14:18:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF846129AB8 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:18:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EL0JHEkN5PmD for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3810D127133 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 14:18:29 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538169509; bh=mOC6OYBCBIBMnALxT6xOhdEwXTZkoCMkkFVZoaJ17hg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=holub3lydT2SzxAnZJT7rrJToUAtr7mh9nPUb1ISjGRascK2Gju9jCkCMiILkDJhC 7VgbrY0M+D8mmb02sI2wBhMGsfvXBiF0gixenVc/bOhRpxZhgekwCzYd7AjezgjrlW vFnwXX4cuztQpw8idd6Z/ALlC00dSBBylbgtVsgk= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bae9aa57f881_5e7c3fdfd6cd45c4110539"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 21:18:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bae9aa57f881_5e7c3fdfd6cd45c4110539 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @ianswett Personally, I'm reluctant to cross the implicit ACK bridge. Messing with the ack and retransmission logic, at this point, could result in unforeseen consequences in the handshake. I would much rather restrict the weirdness to error cases in the just after the Initial phase, which is unlikely to be exercised often. @kazuho I want to clarify an important distinction here. There is nothing we can do about injection attacks in the first 1.5 RTTs, and that is not the objection here. There is a further vulnerability, after handshake keys are employed, until we dispose of the keys. I am trying to close that hole without driving people to run their timers too short. You may be right that people will do it anyway. But I'd like to spec to be consistent with best practice. Do people think this is discussion is far enough along that they'd like to see a PR? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425568975 ----==_mimepart_5bae9aa57f881_5e7c3fdfd6cd45c4110539 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@ianswett Personally, I'm reluctant to cross the implicit = ACK bridge. Messing with the ack and retransmission logic, at this point,= could result in unforeseen consequences in the handshake. I would much r= ather restrict the weirdness to error cases in the just after the Initial= phase, which is unlikely to be exercised often.

@kazuho I want to clarify an important distinction here. There = is nothing we can do about injection attacks in the first 1.5 RTTs, and t= hat is not the objection here. There is a further vulnerability, after ha= ndshake keys are employed, until we dispose of the keys. I am trying to c= lose that hole without driving people to run their timers too short.

You may be right that people will do it anyway. But I'd like to spec t= o be consistent with best practice.

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This is an interesting idea, but it also strikes me as the kind of min= or optimization that shouldn't make the cut at this stage in the process.= I understand @kazuho 's point that it might ease v2 transition, b= ut the VN code has been stable for a long time and there are lots of thin= gs to think about here.

This also puts version choice in the hands of the server, rather than = client. I'm not sure how I feel about that. If clients are picking a vers= ion based on their resource constraints, then this is a bad thing.

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That's not misbehavior, it's reflecting the fact that stream- and connection-level flow control may have different constraints.

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----==_mimepart_5baeabe8383df_47f3fdfacad45b41658ab-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 15:32:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27107129385 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:32:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W6AvaADNWf4a for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1FF45130DC1 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:32:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 15:32:08 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538173929; bh=hWkpszUsSsp3EZEvZeUHfGKlVzwJYY7Utu5d8SMjlhI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BT7O9SaHpv2xpqth2J2+2FHBVULy/BNbqA1RfCfOidKsg2a77K4qPn0KASRGOAhfO vN6F9u5DYJi8ub9FYNrzo11zCT9zjcknRQxI/Y7dxz/jVO80RkNjAXoG+bXXhuQ1qZ rh1iAsI/JzhY+oAqyuezt8CREQqk+BLPxitOLY98= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Error for missing SETTINGS frame (#1808) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baeabe8d1cec_24c23faf0f8d45c0615ab"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 22:32:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baeabe8d1cec_24c23faf0f8d45c0615ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Merged #1808 into master. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1808#event-1874585445 ----==_mimepart_5baeabe8d1cec_24c23faf0f8d45c0615ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Merged #1808 into master.

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@martinduke FWIW, my view is that current VN that lets the client detect downgrade attack does not work. I have filed #1810 that explains the issue.

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@nibanks Yeah. Assuming that we have a rough consensus to i= gnore the value, I think that we could for example state that an endpoint= MUST send an RST_STREAM frame with an error code of zero when resetting = a stream in response to a STOP_SENDING frame, however that does not restr= ict application binging for using that error code for other purposes beca= use the peers that send STOP_SENDING is not expected to use the error cod= e in any ways.

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We probably just want to use FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR and let the implementations specify a better reason if they want to.

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Okay, en esoteric example, but

what if there was another error before STOP_SENDING was received and, = even if STOP_SENDING means loss of interest, it might not be without inte= rest that something went wrong earlier. For example STOP_SENDING could me= an: thanks, I now have enough audio samples for my AI to decide that the = dog is barking, or not, but it still wants to know if the entire decision= should be cancelled for some reason.

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= ----==_mimepart_5baf211b269e9_1dc93f8abacd45b86310c7-- From nobody Fri Sep 28 23:58:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C5B8126CC7 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 23:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TxTv9SDEwgED for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 23:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7E6130DE6 for ; Fri, 28 Sep 2018 23:58:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2018 23:58:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538204300; bh=Qyk5pfOEt71pQQnwa50UNLB6pmtwaVNAO7Gj6JzHKT0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=y4XIUsHfvPxrosvvXBSOofTHfIdNh314KjQdq+AVLaoDUntWQqmZBVJqR/WHjesgl W568hCuYnY8OmlUFmwVKFjgAsg3wh3bjOHPmCM6Z8KK71i0gLcoTQmNo0wrD01sfUh +Ho6F9ei8mWYfVfD8K1t+QlMzb6H6CU2fPdP9OR4= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baf228c611e6_73593f7ef2cd45b43712a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 06:58:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baf228c611e6_73593f7ef2cd45b43712a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Not that esoteric, actually. The HTTP equivalent would be the server deciding it doesn't need to see the end of the request body around the same time the client decides it doesn't need to see the response. The answer is that the client needs not only to RST_STREAM the request, but also STOP_SENDING on the response. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425622104 ----==_mimepart_5baf228c611e6_73593f7ef2cd45b43712a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Not that esoteric, actually. The HTTP equivalent would be the server = deciding it doesn't need to see the end of the request body around the sa= me time the client decides it doesn't need to see the response. The answ= er is that the client needs not only to RST_STREAM the request, but also = STOP_SENDING on the response.

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= ----==_mimepart_5baf228c611e6_73593f7ef2cd45b43712a5-- From nobody Sat Sep 29 00:02:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AE7A130E23 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:02:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xEDcZTjIDQk3 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-15.smtp.github.com (out-15.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 519E1130DE6 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 00:02:25 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538204545; bh=vtv/HBpS92FmrrCDDW9x4gUQ3hCOpplAwj7oTJu3qN4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=N6k93eXLRsdJf1VBrK5AkMiQ2u6nFd2Y7I/zcQLVWABFGYRV9/YI/HPgr6s4Tnjpb mKVhwJc9exnfGMAdjYOrG7AfoqYQTJ5+EsuDGPr0kPcsaZud9kZAS9WhQ67ZQtgWAF W5TD6ZIaymgqWO0cJmlIj7ml/wcFoGrw3cjI1PnQ= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5baf23816f830_1da53f8abacd45b829804c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 07:02:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5baf23816f830_1da53f8abacd45b829804c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @kazuho, that's a good clarification. I don't particularly see it as a problem that applications can *also* use the error code used for STOPPING, but it's oddly structured that the transport MUST send a value chosen out of a range whose semantics it cannot know. (Even if, yes, that value is basically only ever going to be seen by debug logs.) If we required 0 to be NO_ERROR for all application protocols and specified that was the error code sent in response to a STOP_SENDING, would that address the concern? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425622313 ----==_mimepart_5baf23816f830_1da53f8abacd45b829804c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@kazuho, that's a good clarification. I don't particularly see= it as a problem that applications can also use the error code u= sed for STOPPING, but it's oddly structured that the transport MUST send = a value chosen out of a range whose semantics it cannot know. (Even if, = yes, that value is basically only ever going to be seen by debug logs.) = If we required 0 to be NO_ERROR for all application protocols and specifi= ed that was the error code sent in response to a STOP_SENDING, would that= address the concern?

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If we required 0 to be NO_ERROR for all application protocols and spec= ified that was the error code sent in response to a STOP_SENDING, would t= hat address the concern?

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I think requiring 3 octets of frames is more restrictive that we need = to be. I would prefer saying that QUIC packets MUST verify length(p= acket number) + length(payload) >=3D 4, and if implementors wan= t to do that by always ensuring 3 bytes of frames that's fine.

I meant that we XOR over the payload if the packet number length is &l= t; 4. When we're encrypting the PN, I'm not sure the distinction between = PN and payload is relevant - there's nothing wrong with changing the star= t of the payload in my mind. And it simplifies the implementation.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bafb87d454c3_71f53fb14dcd45b81586fe-- From nobody Sat Sep 29 10:44:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA57E130E46 for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:44:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NIcjg--3x7Qw for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:44:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFFA0130DCD for ; Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:44:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 10:44:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538243044; bh=bvw2C3IBka/JXkuqkY83SGGx96rJdiY8gauDSrS/YXs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yQaaSa2tSXMPjABIDAldlKYa+TAsF/ud460KLgFVPcxYg02vvpnDcPSnL7rFngYxI VeDZsiJze9aAoRKmmmXJ+WHSD26yu6gFaPixpBjNfDDXoxrlQe8ni6xu/bCfDXyUUX YBwdUMqo01TCeCnDtKBxdUT04KaQhbTumxjQ2KcY= From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bafb9e4e34c9_1e7c3ff6020d45c01171bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2018 17:44:08 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bafb9e4e34c9_1e7c3ff6020d45c01171bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Personally, I like that graceful and abortive stream closure are separate concepts. To me, it makes them more explicitly different, so they can't get confused. As far as what to put in the RST_STREAM (sent in response to a STOP_SENDING), I am fine with saying always set error code to 0 OR saying that the any value may be used and the receiver should ignore the value if it sent a STOP_SENDING. If I could choose, I'd prefer the latter. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425663044 ----==_mimepart_5bafb9e4e34c9_1e7c3ff6020d45c01171bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Personally, I like that graceful and abortive stream closure are separ= ate concepts. To me, it makes them more explicitly different, so they can= 't get confused.

As far as what to put in the RST_STREAM (sent in response to a STOP_SE= NDING), I am fine with saying always set error code to 0 OR saying that t= he any value may be used and the receiver should ignore the value if it s= ent a STOP_SENDING. If I could choose, I'd prefer the latter.

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The requirement that it MUST be ACK'ed seems too strong. Doesn't that prevent us from doing a completely unreliable stream? I am aware that the current DATAGRAM proposals require ACKs but I don't agree with this PR.

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Probably unrelated to this PR but should kMaxDatagramSize really be a constant? If a sender has performed PMTUD then it could be higher or lower. If we change it to a non-constant then it would also take into account max_packet_size from the TPs.

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----==_mimepart_5baff26c73f81_45403fab500d45b8257871-- From nobody Sun Sep 30 02:24:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 998E5130DE2 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:24:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SLXzbOl_mCYI for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61C37130DFA for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 02:24:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538299474; bh=VUDcud2soHKh3s1XUYjSUM3ymecVSOBRwhsOxkD4/hE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zVP7pxbtg6/iTzkbjBDMoJMriNWVSJPRZPNuKQNnzHat8y1FlbiZywPQbKYvDdyPE T8sS/C37HywW62nXkqUICETPgs4DMB2xPqyO3kWJyTSfxvElO6DvkRWW6yT8a57zC+ b9p0Z44Z08JqEZNxwOrov2+kw23gUmIyNSPUzgow= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add Advice and Rules for CONN_CLOSE in Initial and Handshake (#1786) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb096526b722_38f63f9450ad45c0720399"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:24:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb096526b722_38f63f9450ad45c0720399 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke My point is that it is IMO meaningless to have a rule specific to processing aCONNECTION_CLOSE frame when any other frame (or a malformed payload) can cause the handshake to fail. OTOH, I am not against clarifying how an endpoint should send CONNECTION_CLOSE during the handshake. In fact, it is essential, because we allow the peer to drop it's keys at it's own discretion. Unless we describe the correct way of sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, the peer might fail to decode the packet that contains CONNECTION_CLOSE. Having that said, the most straightforward rule for sending CONNECTION_CLOSE would be to send the frame in *all* epochs for which the endpoint possesses the write keys. This is basically the contraposition of the receiver being allowed to drop the read keys at any point. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1786#issuecomment-425707186 ----==_mimepart_5bb096526b722_38f63f9450ad45c0720399 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinduke My point is that it is IMO meaningless to ha= ve a rule specific to processing aCONNECTION_CLOSE frame when any other = frame (or a malformed payload) can cause the handshake to fail.

OTOH, I am not against clarifying how an endpoint should send CONNECTI= ON_CLOSE during the handshake. In fact, it is essential, because we allow= the peer to drop it's keys at it's own discretion. Unless we describe th= e correct way of sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, the peer might fail to= decode the packet that contains CONNECTION_CLOSE.

Having that said, the most straightforward rule for sending CONNECTION= _CLOSE would be to send the frame in all epochs for which the en= dpoint possesses the write keys. This is basically the contraposition of = the receiver being allowed to drop the read keys at any point.

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Anything else preventing merge ?

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----==_mimepart_5bb0b825e8c73_25023f95afad45c4527941-- From nobody Sun Sep 30 06:11:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AE32130DD0 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HdXM_B8wgX5u for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99404130DC8 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:11:00 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538313060; bh=0pQ7mosZr9rZugvvzZ8rMe4URyBiq7dXzwD5QfeHT2k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=I9H/MMJb/QKUk9OzolSo/7xVf6CX/paRIb1xN3V6Msq12VMKRMNDf9JjXG9VQLWko psc7u/41VajtXMLKAAfWiFRF7UaJpj31BD57pxx3lspIFBFrq/hiuWKvXknRp5gv2r Ef/q+l/oU9Nb4ex0WCVTOUCoAVJC0RnP3ENt1iN8= From: Alexis La Goutte Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] transport: add missing 2 new TP on IANA table (#1814) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb0cb6448f12_33a83f9b168d45b41394994"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: alagoutte X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:11:04 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb0cb6448f12_33a83f9b168d45b41394994 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit max_ack_delay(12) and original_connection_id(13) You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1814 -- Commit Summary -- * transport: add missing 2 new TP on IANA table -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1814.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1814.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1814 ----==_mimepart_5bb0cb6448f12_33a83f9b168d45b41394994 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

max_ack_delay(12) and original_connection_id(13)

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----==_mimepart_5bb0cb6448f12_33a83f9b168d45b41394994-- From nobody Sun Sep 30 06:32:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5226C130DD0 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:32:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d92OsNyXgR1n for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B8CED12008A for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:32:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 06:32:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538314373; bh=Ju7BGdvk0ExPL31ZUYdx2wM6jnq0Z63Y35F3EfJTDF0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=GvPNizD98EKzdmNP+54ys4BXWdTGdQx6Zvj4adoLAeMtOizbL/2fObmZh1x+12Iza Xpsr350tpRTaAJV5/v7GoF4vfCzMm2lGGm4TgojFM/zv8/jce9bqaOOMe36roJubQ7 slXnThdBKPmqv6mSoce6plSg4FtoL+c67/VZVTaQ= From: Alexis La Goutte Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] transport: Initialize a changelog for draft-15 (#1815) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb0d08597c67_e213f92872d45c0558347"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: alagoutte X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:32:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb0d08597c67_e213f92872d45c0558347 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - Merge ACK and ACK_ECN (#1801) - Add 2 transport parameters: max_ack_delay(12) and original_connection_id(13) (#981, #1710, #1486) - Remove sequence field from NEW_CONNECTION_ID (#1742) - Add RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID type (#1742) You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1815 -- Commit Summary -- * transport: Initialize a changelog for draft-15 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1815.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1815.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1815 ----==_mimepart_5bb0d08597c67_e213f92872d45c0558347 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  • Merge ACK and ACK_ECN (#1801)
  • Add 2 transport parameters: max_ack_delay(12) and original_connection_id(13) (#981, #1710, #1486)
  • Remove sequence field from NEW_CONNECTION_ID (#1742)
  • Add RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID type (#1742)

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----==_mimepart_5bb0d08597c67_e213f92872d45c0558347-- From nobody Sun Sep 30 09:08:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803D01252B7 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:08:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOnRgTw29rdy for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E1AB1200D7 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:08:05 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538323685; bh=f7T9YWwkWlUGAHzQfPJkYNarPC84CPcBxFJcHiVO67c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=l5320s8dw7aSC0jcJwmnpSpYWRZmLOj8EJg4vSvbRyX/FhMq48mP/M7uB6b3r660H NTykdhwDgF6PKdLEfgULaguBr5MO4ZmMrdKwUORR8oQIUzXofmhJ1F3fVdJEbJD7yB Sx3027DGO5D8V6DEioBBgwHwbuKGFaoQDfD0IzlI= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remap STOPPING to something other than zero (#1804) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb0f4e55065f_54713fbbc64d45c4706e0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:08:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb0f4e55065f_54713fbbc64d45c4706e0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sorry for jumping in a bit late, but I think a different frame is preferable here. We already made two frames: APPLICATION_CLOSE and CONNECTION_CLOSE precisely for this same reason. Namely, even though the transport behavior is identical, the causes of sending the frames are different -- one is triggered by an application and the other by the transport. Likewise, RST_STREAM is sent due to an application condition, while STOPPED_STREAM/STREAM_STOPPED/STREAM_STOP_COMPLETE/whatever frame is caused by the transport. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1804#issuecomment-425731596 ----==_mimepart_5bb0f4e55065f_54713fbbc64d45c4706e0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry for jumping in a bit late, but I think a different frame is pref= erable here.

We already made two frames: APPLICATION_CLOSE and CONNECTION_CLOSE pre= cisely for this same reason. Namely, even though the transport behavior = is identical, the causes of sending the frames are different -- one is tr= iggered by an application and the other by the transport. Likewise, RST_= STREAM is sent due to an application condition, while STOPPED_STREAM/STRE= AM_STOPPED/STREAM_STOP_COMPLETE/whatever frame is caused by the transport= .

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb0f4e55065f_54713fbbc64d45c4706e0-- From nobody Sun Sep 30 09:26:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB9F130DED for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:26:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rdn_d7SLY-N6 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:25:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D2E6F130DC2 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 09:25:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538324756; bh=ybTnzjviUM/Xom6uSybV93RNw9G31tc3IpeeWoMvO8s=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=VitwQLqpWLsDhWhyzkiGWSfdfAqK7kcRhJKa0N7Ml+JcgiFwy/jiJYxVlvuYUYsXV hVD8WR5LAxaIgBChWuGn2HksTnCR5KZkDyMjKur5Fca7sWdln/LckuHs3BqQZNODH4 ykqRHQ3JCvqQ6EZEaSC0ZRNXCitGe6lIwEO6wsIA= From: Igor Lubashev Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Avoid renewing retired connection IDs (#1799) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb0f91484c1e_7d553f9b620d45c09382d7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: igorlord X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 16:26:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb0f91484c1e_7d553f9b620d45c09382d7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Note the distinction between received and retired sequence number When you say "you can keep track of the highest sequence that you've gotten", do you mean the the highest _retired_ sequence number? If the sender sends you two NEW_CONNECTION_IDs in different packets, and the packets are reordered, and you use and quickly retire the second CID, will you just discard the first CID when you eventually receive it? That may be a fine decision, as long as it is signaled correctly to the sender. You would want to immediately send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID for each CID you are discarding. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1799#issuecomment-425732807 ----==_mimepart_5bb0f91484c1e_7d553f9b620d45c09382d7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Note the distinction between received and retired sequence number
When you say "you can keep track of the highest sequence that you've gott= en", do you mean the the highest retired sequence number?

If the sender sends you two NEW_CONNECTION_IDs in different packets, a= nd the packets are reordered, and you use and quickly retire the second C= ID, will you just discard the first CID when you eventually receive it? = That may be a fine decision, as long as it is signaled correctly to the s= ender. You would want to immediately send RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID for each = CID you are discarding.

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I'm happy clarifying what the sender should do and leaving the receive= r side fairly flexible. I'm not sure all epochs are necessary. Possibly= "in the highest epoch the sender knows the peer can process and one high= er if the peer may be able to process it." or something along those lines= ?

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I'm not sure all epochs are necessary. Possibly "in the highest epoch = the sender knows the peer can process and one higher if the peer may be a= ble to process it." or something along those lines?

Yeah. The problem here is that the rule to determine "the highest epoc= h the peer can process" is complex and specific to TLS 1.3. IIRC that is = one of the reasons we favored the explicit-ACK approach instead of the im= plicit- approach.

Anyways, the requirement here is that we need to at least state that t= he endpoints MUST send CONNECTION_CLOSE protected by a key that the peers= established, if such key is available. Otherwise, peers trying to do the= ir best against Initial packet injection attacks would not recognize the = frame.

Perhaps stating something like the following might suffice; that for s= ending CONNECTION_CLOSE during handshake, an endpoint

  • uses the Initial packet if it does not know the Handshake write key
  • uses the Handshake packet if it has received a Handshake packet
  • uses both the Initial packet and the Handshake packet if it has not r= eceived a Handshake packet but it knows the Handshake write key

The downside of the rule will be that the peers might not be able to d= rop Handshake keys as aggressively as the Initial keys. But IIUC that's f= ine from security perspective because Handshake packets are protected by = the key agreement.

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That is definitely a potential issue with this PR.

The nice aspect of calculating this in bytes is it's already something= the sender has to track. However, I suspect a slightly more robust appr= oach is for the sender to count number of 'full-sized'(>=3D1200 byte) = packets with a separate counter? I'm happy to rewrite the PR indicating = that, but would like to hear some input from you and others.

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= ----==_mimepart_5bb1750859d30_3e9d3ffa0b4d45b41229fa-- From nobody Sun Sep 30 18:16:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE3F130E1F for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:16:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.456, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ef56Evw3oCaI for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F8A21294D7 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:16:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 18:15:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1538356564; bh=ezkgFMJ+UqHaJJkpAZtEJnIkmGCGSlQoeN+7ZanL4XE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KNQvAFo9OPsetMhIBpRoczPeAbkd5hurRGepiDSkgXVpSDnPJv69t0ZdLHPOPYC2B aHux/gMXxXZ9R4dgh4BcRcObLN3IvTlq8NaNPuXlSnwl5fxHFQAfATENOcCq9KzB9Y DnXuiXIRPEHtqFNdrJjrNsUC4U6fWLslYOmXYI8Y= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Server's SETTINGS can be omitted in 0-RTT (#1809) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5bb1754e8a243_4a663f816ead45c42078bd"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 01:16:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5bb1754e8a243_4a663f816ead45c42078bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding is that the approach @martinthomson suggests is what we do in H2, and I think that's workable. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/1809#issuecomment-425767183 ----==_mimepart_5bb1754e8a243_4a663f816ead45c42078bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My understanding is that the approach @martinthomson suggests is what we do in H2, and I think that's workable.

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Thank you Mark.

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