From nobody Sun Sep 1 16:57:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347FB1200E5 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 16:57:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BcpUU94HhzYn for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C78191200E0 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 16:57:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2019 16:57:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567382230; bh=toDg1t0ZaNpJ250Z/V/KUKxp42ANXeB9elSHYhxED6M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=q/4z8cwW8kIqI9ethaieq0ZxT7eiMRDaYWFODvz1SCOp+1hyOYVJ7CEOJJCwgnapH 1VmTO/c0Tunsynkr9dTKcOCwT9T2UTKV9WIsHxCefIQzUM1OlH9mNA0utdRFv1N2ny WaGa6Ljz3ZXoh2rLcOPmudUyDVm2Aj89sGP2seEM= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Collapse frame errors into HTTP_FRAME_ERROR (#2996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6c5ad6b54ed_1cd43fc46f6cd96415088c"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2019 23:57:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6c5ad6b54ed_1cd43fc46f6cd96415088c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I am happy to see UNEXPECTED_FRAME and WRONG_STREAM errors getting merged, I am not sure if I like the idea of merging them with FRAME_ERROR. FRAME_ERROR has been a code that indicates a syntactic error, implying that there is an issue in the frame encoder / parser. The other two error codes are semantic errors of specific type. I think having these two classes of errors indicated clearly helps us resolve issues quickly. Compared to that, I am not sure if there is any practical advantage in unifying these two classes of errors. I'd assume that all HTTP/3 stacks would have a piece of code decodes a frame (or a varint) and another piece of code that checks if the ID (or the stream that carried the frame) is correct - to paraphrase, the two classes of errors are raised from different locations. Then, what's the problem with using different codes? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2996#issuecomment-526964033 ----==_mimepart_5d6c5ad6b54ed_1cd43fc46f6cd96415088c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Even though I am happy to see UNEXPECTED_FRAME and WRONG_STREAM errors getting merged, I am not sure if I like the idea of merging them with FRAME_ERROR.

FRAME_ERROR has been a code that indicates a syntactic error, implying that there is an issue in the frame encoder / parser. The other two error codes are semantic errors of specific type. I think having these two classes of errors indicated clearly helps us resolve issues quickly.

Compared to that, I am not sure if there is any practical advantage in unifying these two classes of errors. I'd assume that all HTTP/3 stacks would have a piece of code decodes a frame (or a varint) and another piece of code that checks if the ID (or the stream that carried the frame) is correct - to paraphrase, the two classes of errors are raised from different locations. Then, what's the problem with using different codes?

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----==_mimepart_5d6c5ad6b54ed_1cd43fc46f6cd96415088c-- From nobody Sun Sep 1 17:03:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C3D1200E9 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 17:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qKpCmAiE8Dgv for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 845771200E0 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 17:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2019 17:03:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567382624; bh=4uJkBpnvhJj5G/nla9Y3GDb78lXGKQ50IN+MKzdf5sE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Li1xYwYbkHfjlQmUfwJ2StBNg1vcHxRUP1TLh4bBYtfiohzOsjJnJjEZoLgdy2yAN Usgw8ZtB28Db7gmopU1TFUNPujt2ejFNVfWLM97CQXKxPwAwf+RVTa02Qyz9tvkqZF OCRZvdL6H/JelsJnFFlRPQaWaVHKWmhhXKeYvMRM= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Collapse frame errors into HTTP_FRAME_ERROR (#2996) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6c5c607e54c_26e3ffd236cd9684844d6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 00:03:47 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6c5c607e54c_26e3ffd236cd9684844d6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks @kazuho, I do tend to agree with you. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2996#issuecomment-526964570 ----==_mimepart_5d6c5c607e54c_26e3ffd236cd9684844d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks @kazuho, I do tend to agree with you.

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----==_mimepart_5d6c5c607e54c_26e3ffd236cd9684844d6-- From nobody Sun Sep 1 23:24:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A965F120089 for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 23:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.455 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.455 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XctPbJC7Fpiy for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 23:24:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D911012006F for ; Sun, 1 Sep 2019 23:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 01 Sep 2019 23:24:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567405486; bh=e63HWxAcL298zV1YMZFgOUhwZCSaX1lsDxfIegVwXLQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TE/LUdzD62nlNH4QjNs86ysi4RCvBvXddJjQYquSmKdZs3gC6MAXhywsVxA79I43e 7xiRA2tHlZLMaOD8KfArhOPGRdKsDuYtyAEE//z1bmblOZwKyoWI3MuF7x6u8akrXO t5dj30Gkhq9BSO8R98IRvpQeTHspGD1QmycYSVOA= From: Ainiroad Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] There is no STOP_WATING frame in IETF quic (#3001) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6cb5aecd44d_54ec3fb78cecd9602213984"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ainiroad X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2019 06:24:50 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6cb5aecd44d_54ec3fb78cecd9602213984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In google quic, there is STOP_WAITING frame, and it was designed to be that: > To limit the NACK ranges to the ones that haven't yet been communicated to the peer, the peer periodically sends STOP_WAITING frames that signal the receiver to stop waiting for packets below a specified squence number But there are no STOP_WAITING frame in IETF quic, what's your consideration about that? Thanks a lot! -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3001 ----==_mimepart_5d6cb5aecd44d_54ec3fb78cecd9602213984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In google quic, there is STOP_WAITING frame, and it was designed to be that:

To limit the NACK ranges to the ones that haven't yet been
communicated to the peer, the peer periodically sends STOP_WAITING
frames that signal the receiver to stop waiting for packets below a
specified squence number

But there are no STOP_WAITING frame in IETF quic, what's your consideration about that?
Thanks a lot!

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See #358.

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Thank you guys a lot! I have some questions about Packet Number Encoding And Decoding

In transport draft Section 17.1. Packet Number Encoding and Decoding

For example, if an endpoint has received an acknowledgment for packet 0xabe8bc, sending a packet with a number of 0xac5c02 requires a packet number encoding with 16 bits or more; whereas the 24-bit packet number encoding is needed to send a packet with a number of 0xace8fe.

  1. What's the purpose of Packet Number Encoding? to be safe or save some bits space or something else?

A peer receiving the packet will then correctly decode the packet number, unless the packet is delayed in transit such that it arrives after many higher-numbered packets have been received. An endpoint SHOULD use a large enough packet number encoding to allow the packet number to be recovered even if the packet arrives after packets that are sent afterwards.

  1. How can an endpoint know to use a large enough packet number encoding? For example, as example 1 said, an endpoint can send 16 bits to send a number of 0xac5c02 if peer has received an acknowledgment for packet 0xabe8bc, which means it will send 0x5c02. So in the early time when it want to send 0x5c02 exactly(not 0xac5c02), How should it encode packet number to avoid conflict with 0xac5c02 if the packet is delay so much.

  2. If an endpoint is not encoded packet number well, the peer will recover it as a wrong packet number, what happens next?

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@Ainiroad I'd like to request that you take these questions to our mailing list. This issue list really isn't the best place for this sort of query.

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I also agree with @kazuho

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Like @ianswett, I would like the spec to specify the error code. I don't care which it is.

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I don't understand what this is trying to specify. The stateless reset sender has no idea what CID length the peer has chosen (except for the 20 bytes limit), so I don't see how to guarantee that the Reset exceeds minimum size without allowing for the full 20 bytes.

Unless this PR is trying to say that it's OK to go smaller if you're willing to risk it...

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ok, I made #3003 as a middle ground.

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Hypothetically, this limit would create a way to force the peer to kill the connection by starving the decoder stream of flow control credit and then cancelling lots of streams. However, the consumer of (and therefore the entity which could fail to read) the decoder stream is the encoder, and the encoder can trivially cause the connection to close by emitting an invalid instruction anyway. That seems fine.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 3 14:22:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D1C91200B6 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ywutyeAcv0ST for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B0AF120099 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 14:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:22:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567545762; bh=bAThF0TEw5yBRcRPG79FJLfY11kQ5egepphfyqhZuNs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Oc/ctEdpoMICe0hBXUgpu4vuys0JItTbSepN8uFDZjA0QmXU7wOPiDdc8pUlRj9/m LkW+803Wl/9pTE+U7lc67uVvl3rII4G8bQuRtvK/qD+3xppW6t8Fn4QjQ86KEGoMY6 3bZZhPoMWEWMFAX3qDe4hc7LW55dRAx7jSLlU5LA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Security Considerations text for a memory limit (#3004) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6ed9a266bd3_42823fe8adccd9605291ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 21:22:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6ed9a266bd3_42823fe8adccd9605291ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -1126,6 +1126,13 @@ HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x202): TBD. +While the negotiated limit on the dynamic table size accounts for much of the +memory that can be consumed by a QPACK implementation, data which cannot be +immediately sent due to flow control is not affected by this limit. +Implementations MUST limit the size of unsent data, especially on the decoder Does a MUST really make sense here? 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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1126,6 +1126,13 @@ HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x202):
 
 TBD.
 
+While the negotiated limit on the dynamic table size accounts for much of the
+memory that can be consumed by a QPACK implementation, data which cannot be
+immediately sent due to flow control is not affected by this limit.
+Implementations MUST limit the size of unsent data, especially on the decoder

Does a MUST really make sense here? I mean, it seems like the implementation's problem if they have an unbounded amount of memory buffered.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1394,6 +1394,12 @@ the entire connection when an error is encountered.  These are referred to as
 {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  An endpoint MAY choose to treat a stream error as a
 connection error.
 
+Because new error codes can be defined without negotiation (see {{extensions}}),
+receipt of an unknown error code or use of an error code in an unexpected
+context MUST NOT be treated as an error.  However, the fact that a stream closed

This last sentence is a bit odd. How about something like "However, closing a stream can constitute an error regardless of the error code -- see..."

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 3 15:45:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2A712008A for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:45:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tyJO4oonzz9p for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:45:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB9AA120044 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:45:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:45:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567550734; bh=rShRt+BfZVOxMt+bZP0KK4HQr9j8f4PZEbob25t0axY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=IWmJtPT0EWnyYTIoXD1DYx7PKETHPeoy9smMiw/RCaaIRf8s+MN4VTREn9VqOljHB axmRoH3wL/PCKhF6f2oJmn8qr9KxsbdcRlpWzQUFeponBvdK+tue1j4HROF6GqO3+W 25pgGM6qwqoFq0C9oLF9svVYcmMc5U53r4MHvLOE= From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Perform stateless reset token comparisons in constant time (#2993) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6eed0e241ef_20703f8ddeecd960753b1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 22:45:36 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6eed0e241ef_20703f8ddeecd960753b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but how is this easy to implement? In my implementation, I have a map of reset tokens -> connections. Unless I switch to a constant time map implementation (the standard library doesn't provide one, you'd have to write that yourself), the comparisons are (probably?) not constant time. Given that this would cause some considerable complexity, I don't think it's worth defending against this rather uninteresting attack, and I'm not sure if a MUST is the right way to go here. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2993#issuecomment-527669147 ----==_mimepart_5d6eed0e241ef_20703f8ddeecd960753b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, but how is this easy to implement?

In my implementation, I have a map of reset tokens -> connections. Unless I switch to a constant time map implementation (the standard library doesn't provide one, you'd have to write that yourself), the comparisons are (probably?) not constant time. Given that this would cause some considerable complexity, I don't think it's worth defending against this rather uninteresting attack, and I'm not sure if a MUST is the right way to go here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1189,10 +1191,13 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
     loss_detection_timer.update(loss_time)
     return
 
-  // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
-  // in flight and the handshake is complete.
-  if (endpoint is client with 1-RTT keys &&
-      no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
+  // Cancel the timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
+  // in flight and the endpoint is a server. Do not cancel the
+  // timer until the client has received a Handshake or 1-RTT ACK.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &&
+      (endpoint is server ||
+       has received Handshake ACK ||
+       has received 1-RTT ACK)):

Suggestion: if !(ack-eliciting packet in flight || (endpoint is client && has not received handshake ACK && has not received 1-RTT ACK))

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 3 16:16:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57CB7120096 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:16:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JdaMZ09bf4Km for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AFD9112004F for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 16:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 16:16:16 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567552576; bh=5C9ZXI1NExKalio2AMCFykW8TIpYpa50MKqCRORvNVw=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ETUZ3qSPKp9r3Q9SPqeODahTCzirJLpeaLnhxipNLp3yf9eicPiDdZl04UZCu+JPO 1b9qyXAshszOEinKD0BvR4CpM8PlBeRrK3Zpi/eP0a129Wm+LkM23v7cIu3KbnGLPz HNp3HjyYMwMCTZI5Y5uIcVFDs+DLGfJSBMKa0mU4= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Perform stateless reset token comparisons in constant time (#2993) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6ef440495c_3c1e3f85a2ccd960315289"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 23:16:18 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6ef440495c_3c1e3f85a2ccd960315289 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To support @marten-seemann point, a SHOULD and a comment about why you should do it and the impact of not doing so seems fine to me. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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To support @marten-seemann point, a SHOULD and a comment about why you should do it and the impact of not doing so seems fine to me.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5753,13 +5753,184 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
    return candidate_pn
 ~~~
 
+# Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties}
+
+A complete security analysis of QUIC is outside the scope of this document.  In
+this appendix, we provide an informal description of the desired security
+properties as an aid to implementors and to help guide protocol analysis.
+
+We cover properties of the handshake, general transport, and migration
+separately.

Removed all of the "we" from this diff, great suggestions as well, thanks!

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+An on-path attacker is present between the QUIC client and server, and an
+endpoint is required to send packets through this attacker to establish
+connectivity on a given path.
+
+An on-path attacker can:
+
+- Inspect packets
+- Modify unencrypted packet headers
+- Inject new packets
+- Delay packets
+- Drop packets
+
+An on-path attacker cannot:
+
+- Modify encrypted packet payloads

Updated this a bit, I suspect further discussion will also be in the security properties of short/long headers.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +or other methods.
+
+2. An on-path attacker can prevent migration to a new path for which the
+attacker is also on-path by causing path validation to fail on the new path.
+
+3. An on-path attacker cannot prevent a client from migrating to a path for
+which the attacker is not on-path.
+
+4. An on-path attacker can reduce the throughput of a connection by delaying
+packets or dropping them.
+
+
+### Off-Path Attacker
+
+An off-path attacker is not directly on the path between the QUIC client and
+server, but is able to obtain copies of all packets sent between the client and

Updated, very good point, I think here I'm focusing mostly on the worst-case type of behavior (for example, assume an attacker can always win a race), but I think there would be room to cover additional situations, both in the case where that changes the considerations or simply as a note that "these people also fall into this bucket".

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +- Delay packets
+- Drop packets
+
+An off-path attacker can, however, modify packets that it has observed and
+inject them back into the network, potentially with spoofed source and
+destination addresses.
+
+For the purposes of this discussion, we assume that an off-path attacker has the
+ability to observe, modify, and re-inject a packet into the network that will
+reach the destination endpoint prior to the arrival of the original packet
+observed by the attacker.  In other words, the attacker has the ability to
+consistently "win" a race with the legitimate packets between the endpoints,
+potentially causing the original packet to be ignored by the recipient.
+
+We also assume that the attacker has the resources necessary to affect NAT
+state, potentially both causing an endpoint to lose its NAT binding, and an

I've changed some "the attacker" to "an attacker" to be more specific, we've got "an" for endpoint everywhere except one place where it's a packet between "the endpoints" that are having a conversation.

There's a few places where we say something along the lines of

  1. An on-path attacker can prevent migration to a new path for which the
    attacker is also on-path by causing path validation to fail on the new path.

Which is a case where we use both "an" and "the", but otherwise it's all the same now. (And suggestions welcome for those cases, it started to sound very wrong when I switched those around.)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +separately.
+
+## Handshake {#handshake-properties}
+
+TBD.
+
+## Short Headers {#short-headers-properties}
+
+TBD.
+
+## Connection Migration {#migration-properties}
+
+Connection Migration ({{migration}}) provides endpoints with the ability to
+transition between IP addresses and ports on multiple paths, using one path at a
+time for sending non-probing frames.  Path validation helps to establish
+bidirectional connectivity with the peer over a new path and prevents source

Updated with that text, much nicer, thanks!

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +## Handshake {#handshake-properties}
+
+TBD.
+
+## Short Headers {#short-headers-properties}
+
+TBD.
+
+## Connection Migration {#migration-properties}
+
+Connection Migration ({{migration}}) provides endpoints with the ability to
+transition between IP addresses and ports on multiple paths, using one path at a
+time for sending non-probing frames.  Path validation helps to establish
+bidirectional connectivity with the peer over a new path and prevents source
+address spoofing from being used in a denial-of-service attack.  Migration is
+further restricted to be initiated only by QUIC clients.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +attacks, requiring injection of packets into the network, as described in
+{{?RFC3552}}.
+
+### On-Path Attacker
+
+An on-path attacker is present between the QUIC client and server, and an
+endpoint is required to send packets through this attacker to establish
+connectivity on a given path.
+
+An on-path attacker can:
+
+- Inspect packets
+- Modify unencrypted packet headers
+- Inject new packets
+- Delay packets
+- Drop packets

Good point! Hopefully we'll catch some other cases that got left out like this one -- I've added it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +
+This section describes the intended security properties of connection migration
+when under attack by the following attackers.  These attackers all mount active
+attacks, requiring injection of packets into the network, as described in
+{{?RFC3552}}.
+
+### On-Path Attacker
+
+An on-path attacker is present between the QUIC client and server, and an
+endpoint is required to send packets through this attacker to establish
+connectivity on a given path.
+
+An on-path attacker can:
+
+- Inspect packets
+- Modify unencrypted packet headers

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An on-path attacker can:
+
+- Inspect packets
+- Modify unencrypted packet headers
+- Inject new packets
+- Delay packets
+- Drop packets
+
+An on-path attacker cannot:
+
+- Modify encrypted packet payloads
+
+In the presence of an on-path attacker, QUIC aims to provide the following
+properties.
+
+1. An on-path attacker can interrupt a QUIC connection, causing it to fail if it

Reworded this to be a bit more clear about exactly what's getting broken (that path, not the whole thing).

The establishment case I think I'm going to leave for the section on the handshake here.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1189,10 +1191,13 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
     loss_detection_timer.update(loss_time)
     return
 
-  // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
-  // in flight and the handshake is complete.
-  if (endpoint is client with 1-RTT keys &&
-      no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
+  // Cancel the timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets
+  // in flight and the endpoint is a server. Do not cancel the
+  // timer until the client has received a Handshake or 1-RTT ACK.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &&
+      (endpoint is server ||
+       has received Handshake ACK ||
+       has received 1-RTT ACK)):

As a code reviewer, I'd request a method like PeerAwaitingAddressValidation() and say

if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &&
!PeerAwaitingAddressValidation()):

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 3 17:42:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48A3C120829 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JTunQZIxiZYY for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C2E012081E for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 17:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 17:42:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567557722; bh=06hINkb0joHHveI4Wk0A/8WNBVCmY2hX+a5Tv9F+nVc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=NuDKNls6EOY5VZslNlBA/mGM/vb0nc4QVoC78M87/mHs2Y3tvizCP5kYmrtq4W+57 j0bS1MZqoyrKnl/NJgyb4HMHd3oi/Y6ZHcq8hagRI8xMHIgnXZsS6g/3ROqtoXBKwk hxL8TQbtY1QxVzF6oVSe9h6AW3w/qFd+KX6KpQks= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow Smaller Stateless Resets (#2927) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6f085a2e012_59be3fa84c2cd95c20062"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 00:42:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6f085a2e012_59be3fa84c2cd95c20062 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's pretty much "it's OK to go smaller if you are willing to risk stateless reset messages being identifiable", but a little stronger than that. The sender of a stateless reset is now no longer bound by the upper limit on connection ID size. That allows for a smaller packet to be sent and still have it get a stateless reset in response. However, the onus for ensuring that the resulting stateless reset is indistinguishable from regular packets moves to the endpoint that would receive the stateless reset. It has to ensure that it never sends a packet small enough that a stateless reset packet would be too small to appear as valid. For instance, take the case where a client needs at least 8 bytes of connection ID, but the server had no connection ID. Though the client has no real need to send larger packets toward the server, it has to pad outbound packets so that the server, should it be forced to send a stateless reset, wouldn't end up sending a packet that appears to have a 7 byte connection ID (which, assuming an observer knows about the client's constraints, would be easy to identify as a stateless reset). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2927#issuecomment-527692685 ----==_mimepart_5d6f085a2e012_59be3fa84c2cd95c20062 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's pretty much "it's OK to go smaller if you are willing to risk stateless reset messages being identifiable", but a little stronger than that. The sender of a stateless reset is now no longer bound by the upper limit on connection ID size. That allows for a smaller packet to be sent and still have it get a stateless reset in response.

However, the onus for ensuring that the resulting stateless reset is indistinguishable from regular packets moves to the endpoint that would receive the stateless reset. It has to ensure that it never sends a packet small enough that a stateless reset packet would be too small to appear as valid.

For instance, take the case where a client needs at least 8 bytes of connection ID, but the server had no connection ID. Though the client has no real need to send larger packets toward the server, it has to pad outbound packets so that the server, should it be forced to send a stateless reset, wouldn't end up sending a packet that appears to have a 7 byte connection ID (which, assuming an observer knows about the client's constraints, would be easy to identify as a stateless reset).

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One thing that I'm trying to protect is the integrity of the specification and the analysis that (I hope) will come. If we allow weaseling out of this sort of requirement, then the analysis has to allow for that too.

If you are using a hash map, then you can do as @kazuho suggests: use a PRP (a PRF would also work) to produce an intermediate value from the incoming value and compare that in non-constant time. As long as the operation cannot be reversed by an attacker and the secret input to the PRP (i.e., the token) are handled in constant time, the secret doesn't leak.

We can't assume that resetting a connection is without cost. QUIC has the nice property that connections can survive network flutters, which means that a lot of investment could be made in a connection. (That's probably still inadvisable.) A well-positioned attacker doesn't have to perform a huge amount of work to recover a stateless reset token, relative to the value they might gain in disrupting a "high-value" connection of that sort.

If we use a "MUST", then we're not stopping someone from deciding that this requirement doesn't apply to them. But they would take responsibility for that, hopefully with some awareness of what is being risked. Yes, we could use "MUST avoid leaking through timing side channels unless ", but determining what X needs to be is tricky as it depends so much on application protocol and other contextual stuff.

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As a code reviewer, I would then suggest:

  if endpoint is server:
    return false
  return has received Handshake ACK ||
         has received 1-RTT ACK

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

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Thanks for the change -- looks MUCH better now.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>        time =3D loss_time[pn_space];=0D
       space =3D pn_space=0D
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-PeerAwaitingAddressValidation():=0D
+IsPeerAwaitingAddressValidation():=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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>  SetLossDetectionTimer():=0D
   loss_time, _ =3D GetEarliestLossTime()=0D
   if (loss_time !=3D 0):=0D
     // Time threshold loss detection.=0D
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     return=0D
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-  // Don't arm timer if there are no ack-eliciting packets=0D
-  // in flight and the handshake is complete.=0D
-  if (endpoint is client with 1-RTT keys &&=0D
-      no ack-eliciting packets in flight):=0D
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &&=0D
+      !PeerAwaitingAddressValidation()):=0D
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+      !IsPeerAwaitingAddressValidation()):=0D
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I shouldn't have commented on the changeset. Here's my alternative to Jana's:

PeerCompletedAddressValidation():
  if endpoint is server:
    return true
  return has received Handshake ACK ||
           has received 1-RTT ACK
...

  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight &&
      PeerCompletedAddressValidation()):

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5753,13 +5753,184 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
    return candidate_pn
 ~~~
 
+# Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties}

Two thoughts here:

  • This was an appendix since TLS 1.3 did it as an appendix. It's kind of nice that way, since we're documenting what we believe the rest of the document says, not introducing any new attacks or mitigations that shouldn't already have been covered above.
  • From a purely aesthetic perspective, having 21.11.3.2. as a section means that I refer to one of these items as:

Section 21.11.3.2., point 3.

All that said, I've moved this to the last section in Security Considerations for the time being, and I don't have a super strong opinion on where it finally lands. :)
TLS is also a little bit different in that most of the document is a security consideration in one way or another, so some of the reasoning that resulted in structure there is not necessarily reflected in QUIC.

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In my implementation, I have a map of reset tokens -> connections. Unless I switch to a constant time map implementation (the standard library doesn't provide one, you'd have to write that yourself)

As I stated on the issue, using a "standard hash map implementation" for storing stateless reset tokens as-is is not a good approach, as it might be vulnerable to hash flooding DoS attacks. I think this is a unique property for a hash map containing stateless reset tokens; hash maps containing CIDs is not susceptible to the issue as CIDs are chosen by the endpoint (rather than the peer), nor are the hash maps containing streams, as stream IDs are generated in sequential order (assuming that an endpoint would not have a very high stream concurrency per each connection).

Considering that, we might want to state something like the following in Security Considerations: As the stateless reset tokens are controlled by the peers, QUIC endpoints SHOULD be resistant to hash flooding DoS attacks when using a hash map for retaining those tokens. One way of achieving such property is to retain and compare the transformed values of the stateless tokens where the transformation is defined as a cryptographically-secure pseudo-random permutation (e.g., block cipher) or a pseudo-random function (e.g., secure hash function), instead of using the raw token values as the hash keys. This approach also satisfies the constant time comparison requirements in section x.y.

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----==_mimepart_5d6f1d0212341_54023faaa42cd95c805bf-- From nobody Tue Sep 3 19:15:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C76612007C for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:15:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LGqdTQJWVQ_f for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:15:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C36E8120090 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2019 19:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2019 19:15:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567563331; bh=XOWjUnnpbMPLdQyq7nLIFls0ppqM1zlIg/5DADhGTvg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=LGLUICricKL6KjJhNSd3D2Ng2KunuOw34Uu3igcUwCQZpd4yY6IKt5kVSqWYCPd77 zKyv5/4MCQdDdeNVG6xCBBp2gjrzwA5SFstJOQL23Wl8w+jaknUawY5Z3VvvjIp99H lTTyq8Nl6CgXyQ/ADhcdTV2VTteI6nm41hhnwXB0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Perform stateless reset token comparisons in constant time (#2993) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6f1e43d00c9_4ba3f97fc8cd95c113163"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 02:15:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6f1e43d00c9_4ba3f97fc8cd95c113163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A PR that said that might be worth talking about. Nit: You need the "secure hash function" to be keyed in some way. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2993#issuecomment-527710413 ----==_mimepart_5d6f1e43d00c9_4ba3f97fc8cd95c113163 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A PR that said that might be worth talking about.

Nit: You need the "secure hash function" to be keyed in some way.

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Addresses the concerns discussed in #2993, #2152.

Warning: this PR builds on top of #2993. Please let me know if you'd want me to open an issue for this and handle the PR separately rather than piggybacking on #2993.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3005

Commit Summary

  • describe collision attack on SRTs

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@martinthomson Fair enough. Created #3005.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1126,6 +1126,13 @@ HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x202):
 
 TBD.
 
+While the negotiated limit on the dynamic table size accounts for much of the
+memory that can be consumed by a QPACK implementation, data which cannot be
+immediately sent due to flow control is not affected by this limit.
+Implementations MUST limit the size of unsent data, especially on the decoder

I think that having a MUST for the decoder stream might make sense (as the peer controls what is to be sent on the decoder stream). OTOH I share the view that having MUST limit + MUST close if exceeded is a bit off for the encoder stream.

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In draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md:

> @@ -1126,6 +1126,13 @@ HTTP_QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x202):
 
 TBD.
 
+While the negotiated limit on the dynamic table size accounts for much of the
+memory that can be consumed by a QPACK implementation, data which cannot be
+immediately sent due to flow control is not affected by this limit.
+Implementations MUST limit the size of unsent data, especially on the decoder
+stream where flexibility to choose what to send is limited.  If this limit is
+exceeded, the connection MUST be terminated.

I am not sure if "MUST terminate if the limit is exceeded" is a good advice, as there could be alternative strategies. For example, an endpoint can stop reading data from the streams, as well as giving the peer new stream ID credit while the amount of unsent data on the QPACK decoder stream is above some threshold.

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One thing that I'm trying to protect is the integrity of the specification and the analysis that (I hope) will come. If we allow weaseling out of this sort of requirement, then the analysis has to allow for that too.

@martinthomson I was wrong on this, and you're absolutely right. Implementation difficulties shouldn't make us lower our security guaranties, or the language we use to describe them.

@kazuho Thanks for the pointer to the hash flooding attack. By the way, here's the video corresponding to the slides you linked.

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Rust has inbuilt defenses against hash flooding, and some languages have that built in. Note that this is something that doesn't guarantee constant time over inputs, as that is generally not a design goal, though many schemes have that naturally. Even then, the functions used might be trivially reversible.

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Thanks for pointing this out. A similar concern exists on the server side for connection ID lookup I believe? Not as much the constant time aspect, but hash collisions.

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One way of achieving such property is to retain and compare the ```suggestion those tokens. One way of achieving this property is to store and compare ``` > @@ -5730,6 +5730,17 @@ decisions are made independently of client-selected values; a Source Connection ID can be selected to route later packets to the same server. +## Hash Collision Attack on Stateless Reset Tokens + +As the stateless reset tokens are controlled by the peers, QUIC endpoints SHOULD +be resistant to hash flooding DoS attacks when using a hash map for retaining +those tokens. One way of achieving such property is to retain and compare the +transformed values of the stateless tokens where the transformation is defined +as a pseudo-random permutation (e.g., block cipher) or a keyed hash (e.g., HMAC +{{?RFC2104}}) that is cryptographically secure, instead of using the raw token +values as the hash keys. This approach satisfies the secure comparison Suggested rephrase: "... transformed values of the stateless tokens instead of the raw token values. A transformation such as a pseudo-random permutation (e.g. block cipher) or a cryptographically-secure keyed hash (e.g., HMAC {{?RFC2104}}) can be used to also ensure that comparing stateless tokens does not leak timing information, as specified in {{detect-stateless-reset}}." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3005#pullrequestreview-283653099 ----==_mimepart_5d6fcd219d5ca_74e53fe232ccd964148575 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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I'm not entirely sure that this is something we need to highlight. Th= is is a well-known DoS risk with hash tables. Documenting every way in w= hich sub-optimal use of common data structures and algorithms might lead = to exposure would be an endless task.

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What we might want to emphasize is the how the requirement not to expo= se bits of the stateless reset token is difficult to achieve in certain c= ontexts and how that limitation might be overcome.

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As it is, this reads like general advice about hash table stuffing att= acks. But that masks the core issue about leakage. The point to emphasi= ze is that there is a transform in use that would cause leakage of the us= ed value not to endanger the underlying value that is being tested. That= you need to use a PRF (note: PRP =E2=8A=86 PRF, so you don't need to men= tion that) is the key point. And you only need that because you might us= e the value in a way that could leak. If you don't (and there are design= s that might allow that), then this complication isn't needed.

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Of course, a nice consequence of keying off a PRF-scrubbed value is th= at you don't have to worry about hash stuffing. But that's a secondary b= enefit.

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I agree, it a hash table attack is a valid concern, but it also, to a lesser degree, applies to attacks in CIDs and so forth.

As far as I am aware, the Linux kernel chose RB-trees over hash tables in their network stack. But that is a slow solution.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Sep 4 10:58:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CAFD120B72 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FKbl915tEcvv for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C371120B61 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 10:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 10:57:58 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567619878; bh=dX+n1HnAGqcxk3IHbec/C0iRBmp+GdsX8YK7nrBQKok=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Jp7e1xZs9Mnki6YC5twHdmP0u5lVj6OmU9fvMUDTYTi5FIhXXY+ZfBYXL+Y43t8zu usd2k4byUtcRuaFmDk4IpuI5iJaWt+VwecgogjoCV9JghXKpp9oVBo1PVF7uCSCr8h LqA7C0rqji3+BPgpedYKRrOGEz4BQ6QGV5Yg/QOI= From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add initial threat model appendix (#2925) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d6ffb2648d68_596e3fbefe2cd95c2984ce"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 17:58:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d6ffb2648d68_596e3fbefe2cd95c2984ce Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MikeBishop commented on this pull request. > @@ -5753,13 +5753,184 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits): return candidate_pn ~~~ +# Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties} It seems worth excerpting RFC 3552: > While it is not a requirement that any given protocol or system be immune to all forms of attack, it is still necessary for authors to consider as many forms as possible. Part of the purpose of the Security Considerations section is to explain what attacks are out of scope and what countermeasures can be applied to defend against them. > > There should be a clear description of the kinds of threats on the described protocol or technology. This should be approached as an effort to perform "due diligence" in describing all known or foreseeable risks and threats to potential implementers and users. > > Authors MUST describe > > 1. which attacks are out of scope (and why!) > 2. which attacks are in-scope > 1. and the protocol is susceptible to > 2. and the protocol protects against > > At least the following forms of attack MUST be considered: eavesdropping, replay, message insertion, deletion, modification, and man-in-the-middle. Potential denial of service attacks MUST be identified as well. If the protocol incorporates cryptographic protection mechanisms, it should be clearly indicated which portions of the data are protected and what the protections are (i.e., integrity only, confidentiality, and/or endpoint authentication, etc.). Some indication should also be given to what sorts of attacks the cryptographic protection is susceptible. Data which should be held secret (keying material, random seeds, etc.) should be clearly labeled. In other words, this reads a lot like a Security Considerations section. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2925#discussion_r320895221 ----==_mimepart_5d6ffb2648d68_596e3fbefe2cd95c2984ce Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5753,13 +5753,184 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
    return candidate_pn
 ~~~
 
+# Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties}

It seems worth excerpting RFC 3552:

While it is not a requirement that any given protocol or system be immune to all forms of attack, it is still necessary for authors to consider as many forms as possible. Part of the purpose of the Security Considerations section is to explain what attacks are out of scope and what countermeasures can be applied to defend against them.

There should be a clear description of the kinds of threats on the described protocol or technology. This should be approached as an effort to perform "due diligence" in describing all known or foreseeable risks and threats to potential implementers and users.

Authors MUST describe

  1. which attacks are out of scope (and why!)
  2. which attacks are in-scope
    1. and the protocol is susceptible to
    2. and the protocol protects against

At least the following forms of attack MUST be considered: eavesdropping, replay, message insertion, deletion, modification, and man-in-the-middle. Potential denial of service attacks MUST be identified as well. If the protocol incorporates cryptographic protection mechanisms, it should be clearly indicated which portions of the data are protected and what the protections are (i.e., integrity only, confidentiality, and/or endpoint authentication, etc.). Some indication should also be given to what sorts of attacks the cryptographic protection is susceptible. Data which should be held secret (keying material, random seeds, etc.) should be clearly labeled.

In other words, this reads a lot like a Security Considerations section.

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Section 5.2 of current draft (22) doesn't explain how one should match short headers to connections. Does one first check if one has a connection associated with the address/port tuple and then use Connection ID?

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You cannot assume that the src port is always stable because of NAT rebinding. Perhaps not even the IP address. So you should look up the CID first. On the other hand, some CID's are zero length. In this case you can assume the address is stable, so you would use the tuple for connection lookup.

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----==_mimepart_5d704a81874b4_76b33fdf55ccd96c1041a-- From nobody Wed Sep 4 16:36:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220FA120044 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fr45jJbj24nb for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 16:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 81064120147 for ; Wed, 4 Sep 2019 16:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 16:36:33 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567640193; bh=TxEEV2aOhRVo3grggxZHaxXbX2nS8QznO95juyuwSy8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=CFdN2XCrXmHCl3RaGYyDKWxNSDra+9vY0ZSEb1SPjEvLacJqh0n9uLN+/HedI6F1a 6cuM48TAnOQMRFRaeDk2rjzsvLBeaYUhpk8P3C4KOFUHHnR/EooSPRK3Zkrq7c4yxm t/iSKIAAvqdmCxknIech75fUu758YDh7Wz5z8n6I= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Unclear how short header packets should be matched to connections (#3006) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d704a8173055_119a3f9bd5acd964128987"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2019 23:36:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d704a8173055_119a3f9bd5acd964128987 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj has it about right, though I would point out two things: you choose how long the connection ID is based on your understanding of requirements. Zero-length is basically only for when you have a unique address for the connection at your end. The other is that this is not the best place to ask questions. Try our [mailing list](mailto:quic@ietf.org). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3006#issuecomment-528132545 ----==_mimepart_5d704a8173055_119a3f9bd5acd964128987 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj has it about right, though I would point out two things: you choose how long the connection ID is based on your understanding of requirements. Zero-length is basically only for when you have a unique address for the connection at your end.

The other is that this is not the best place to ask questions. Try our mailing list.

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Thanks for clarifying. Though I did not create the issue just as a plain question but rather to express that I believe the order of actions of matching a short header to connection isn't very clear as described in the current draft.

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Hosts try to associate a packet with an existing connection. If the packet has a Destination Connection ID corresponding to an existing connection, QUIC processes that packet accordingly.

I'll concede that this should probably say "processes that packet for the identified connection" or something along those lines, but I don't see how this is ambiguous otherwise.

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A similar concern exists on the server side for connection ID lookup I believe? Not as much the constant time aspect, but hash collisions.

That's a good point. For most CIDs no, but yes for the server CIDs that are initially chosen by the client. Though, for such CIDs, I think a hash map that uses client-address-port || CID as the key should be used for identifying connections, as the collision of CIDs (rather than the collision of hashed values) would be an issue.

We might want to expand on that.

OTOH, I think @martinthomson makes a good point in asking if collision of hashed values (or raw values) in general is something we need to talk. If we are to limit the discussion to how endpoints can fulfill the no-leak requirement regarding stored SRTs, maybe something like kazuho@8908632 would be sufficient.

FWIW, my intent behind creating this PR has been to give advice on how implementations can cope with the requirement, and nothing more.

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I think that kazuho/base-drafts@8908632 would be sufficient. Let me see how I can cherry-pick that.

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@martinthomson Thank you for cherry-picking the commit in #2993. Closing the PR.

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I find this text to be really unclear. Furthermore, if implementers don't pick up the SHOULD we're going to have detectable stateless resets all over the place.

And given the final version of extended connection IDs, we're talking about 2 additional bytes over the draft-20 status quo?

I don't find this change to be necessary, though I wouldn't raise a huge stink about it. However, I'd like to consider changing SHOULD to MUST. This seems like a potential security vulnerability.

At an absolute minimum, I'll propose an editorial rewrite to make these considerations clearer.

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----==_mimepart_5d712715aabea_47793faecb8cd96c1166d0-- From nobody Thu Sep 5 13:22:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1392D1207FF for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:22:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pfvy03yGup6f for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 414D5120271 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 13:22:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 13:22:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567714926; bh=5UE7OX6//XxWs9asu61KUuXjUfh+u2ULhQoopNWseDE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=oZ6TZxA/u2j1w+msXvCLAEetmGvcK30R+vatiWoY2r+yrGMe1F4w+wRGh2+NMzOpQ mPLg4VvjgzwDRkVJcrwLe8B7ppO2k7aOjaMy8RIGbPLFueq+W51oTkAiLsx/8vZD7W QhdhBTWFjH0kbmp8BYUS+y1bQn/XAZu1D9tJbGdE= From: Nick Harper Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] ChaCha inputs (#2171) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d716e6e868c2_754e3f9827acd95c1839c4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nharper X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 20:22:09 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d716e6e868c2_754e3f9827acd95c1839c4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The API I'm using for ChaCha20 takes a const uint8_t nonce[12], and I currently pass in a pointer (offset by 4 bytes) to the sample as the nonce, without doing any endianness conversions. I'm in favor of clarifying the language for this input. (Given that this has the design label instead of the editorial label, my design opinion is to keep with the simple thing of passing the bytes directly from the sample to the nonce input of ChaCha20 and not do any endianness conversions. I'm assuming that other crypto libraries have similar APIs though.) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2171#issuecomment-528565409 ----==_mimepart_5d716e6e868c2_754e3f9827acd95c1839c4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The API I'm using for ChaCha20 takes a const uint8_t nonce[12], and I currently pass in a pointer (offset by 4 bytes) to the sample as the nonce, without doing any endianness conversions. I'm in favor of clarifying the language for this input. (Given that this has the design label instead of the editorial label, my design opinion is to keep with the simple thing of passing the bytes directly from the sample to the nonce input of ChaCha20 and not do any endianness conversions. I'm assuming that other crypto libraries have similar APIs though.)

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----==_mimepart_5d716e6e868c2_754e3f9827acd95c1839c4-- From nobody Thu Sep 5 14:48:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38A38120B78 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:48:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pkBoNNzfid7N for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7885212081C for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 14:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 14:47:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567720079; bh=sdPLdVKOho2rM7JilH2bNq2dZ1Cf+hF679yQTVUpa7k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=yzMFvB+47ihs4HGRJby7oD74oFNqpI9moYepKb3b1wokfx94HcCdDZOHWoFlvvDVG cUWjk/V4HZBUgcyXsvm9F30NVyBX5Rx1A/za6A802XbElo3CgqocPUwtURUo8ukrYY jK3AzOX4KcvRSXBceD3Z/jdQH4t6DwkMPRb4cJhs= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Simplify ChaCha20 interface (#2990) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d71828fb3cb3_48533f9f860cd9645142d5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 21:48:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d71828fb3cb3_48533f9f860cd9645142d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -1049,16 +1049,16 @@ function as defined in Section 2.4 of {{!CHACHA}}. This uses a 256-bit key and 16 bytes sampled from the packet protection output. The first 4 bytes of the sampled ciphertext are interpreted as a 32-bit number -in little-endian order and are used as the block count. The remaining 12 bytes -are interpreted as three concatenated 32-bit numbers in little-endian order and -used as the nonce. +in little-endian order and are used as the block count; a ChaCha20 +implementation might instead take the 4 bytes as an opaque sequence of bytes. +The remaining 12 bytes are used as the nonce. While I like the idea of providing practical advice, I am a bit concerned of dropping the text that state the format of input in terms of specification language (in this case RFC 7539). RFC 7539 assumes that the nonce to be three uint32 values. Is it possible to provide a formal definition without describing the interaction with that design? In practice, I think that the new text does not read good when the user is using a Chacha20 implementation (used on a big endian machine) that in fact takes uint32 values as inputs (rather than octets). To reiterate, I think that it might be better preserve the existing text, at the same time "adding" implementation advice when using a Chacha20 function that takes octets as input. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2990#pullrequestreview-284560558 ----==_mimepart_5d71828fb3cb3_48533f9f860cd9645142d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1049,16 +1049,16 @@ function as defined in Section 2.4 of {{!CHACHA}}.  This uses a 256-bit key and
 16 bytes sampled from the packet protection output.
 
 The first 4 bytes of the sampled ciphertext are interpreted as a 32-bit number
-in little-endian order and are used as the block count.  The remaining 12 bytes
-are interpreted as three concatenated 32-bit numbers in little-endian order and
-used as the nonce.
+in little-endian order and are used as the block count; a ChaCha20
+implementation might instead take the 4 bytes as an opaque sequence of bytes.
+The remaining 12 bytes are used as the nonce.

While I like the idea of providing practical advice, I am a bit concerned of dropping the text that state the format of input in terms of specification language (in this case RFC 7539).

RFC 7539 assumes that the nonce to be three uint32 values. Is it possible to provide a formal definition without describing the interaction with that design? In practice, I think that the new text does not read good when the user is using a Chacha20 implementation (used on a big endian machine) that in fact takes uint32 values as inputs (rather than octets).

To reiterate, I think that it might be better preserve the existing text, at the same time "adding" implementation advice when using a Chacha20 function that takes octets as input.

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The API I have takes const uint8_t nonce[12], uint32_t counter. PKCS#11 takes pointers just like the API @nharper refers to (but it fails to specify the endianness, which is a critical oversight, compounded by the fact that the size of the counter can vary).

I suspect that - as @kazuho says - the right idea is to note that ChaCha20 will interpret the nonce as three little-endian integers and that the counter might be expressed as a byte sequence that is then (probably) interpreted as a little-endian integer.

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In coming back to this, I can agree with Martin. This is very unclear.

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I like the updated text. It reads good as it gives the practical advice first, then amends that with the formal definition. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2990#pullrequestreview-284631821 ----==_mimepart_5d71c80881da7_148b3f875d2cd96c84970 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@kazuho approved this pull request.

I like the updated text. It reads good as it gives the practical advice first, then amends that with the formal definition.

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This attempts to split out the rules for generating stateless resets (minimum size is 5 + 16 = 21), and for generating packets that might trigger a stateless reset (min_cid + 22). 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The rules for generating stateless resets was all mixed up in some complementary rules about generating packets that might trigger stateless resets. This attempts to split out the rules for generating stateless resets (minimum size is 5 + 16 = 21), and for generating packets that might trigger a stateless reset (min_cid + 22). You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007 -- Commit Summary -- * Attempt to make the stateless reset text better * More editorial changes -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (48) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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PR #2927 had a mistake in it, and some very confusing language. The rules for generating stateless resets was all mixed up in some complementary rules about generating packets that might trigger stateless resets.

This attempts to split out the rules for generating stateless resets (minimum size is 5 + 16 = 21), and for generating packets that might trigger a stateless reset (min_cid + 22).

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007

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  • Attempt to make the stateless reset text better
  • More editorial changes

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Don't you mean the opposite?

implementation could take a byte sequence in place of a 32-bit integer, in

What happened to the suggest change?

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----==_mimepart_5d71e3481a2c0_77f73fed350cd96c1291ac-- From nobody Thu Sep 5 21:46:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C39CC1200B3 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 21:46:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HLvW_S1AOocc for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 21:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37020120096 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 21:46:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 21:46:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567745213; bh=pkiViUfjm3iiDRJajVH4Fa5C/pISwwLe+Uy83bgT1Xs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vzSiCtLRB9O4ww0YSPBJxCED7tFbCC2PzClk7DTREAR/ti7BYIt+zXQ4ZjkOUsa0I RjinEFlKkIowZsk0XHwx2SX4wDQXsjYbGGiJRx/7g3rOx8W3VMhc5zkAZ3SgEjyTLL OBj3EGJyfRmJOlgbt1hpc+cHh3RJ4UqdpYSjTWtI= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to make the stateless reset text better (#3007) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d71e4bd71c61_36ff3fb39accd96c489b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 04:46:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d71e4bd71c61_36ff3fb39accd96c489b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do we need discussion on the fixed QUIC header bit in the triggering packet and outgoing reset packet? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007#issuecomment-528706518 ----==_mimepart_5d71e4bd71c61_36ff3fb39accd96c489b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Do we need discussion on the fixed QUIC header bit in the triggering packet and outgoing reset packet?

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I think that this is right. The starting assumption is that the input is a byte sequence (the first sentence).

The second sentence says that if the ChaCha20 implementation expects a 32-bit integer instead, the bytes are read as a little-endian number.

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Do we need discussion on the fixed QUIC header bit in the triggering packet and outgoing reset packet?

Originally posted by @mikkelfj in #3007 (comment)

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but isn't the spec is completely clear on that? A stateless reset has the first bit unset and the second bit set.

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----==_mimepart_5d7230a0c2339_6fdb3fc43f0cd968154119-- From nobody Fri Sep 6 04:31:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52EE6120122 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 04:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PiAWfniWQ-2L for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 04:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B66E11200DE for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 04:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 04:31:02 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567769462; bh=qoA1HirqO+pzkM0GRKZvWdsZIm85tdM98+/nj3y0upo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bD/57COkUXvH/5CUdPrvTdqpreV9BcjWd+AYMv14V2YlddnifyyB79oXoFkJkgsYA l5IpKWmffLXu9l1c614Zh9B1rJaby59Dwc3FVLCxeXl+/KPFX6TeLYrumjpED/5Msr N8B9zxS17Bp0h8I2xYl1fAf5Gg/GbgEaeKOeOvak= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] The QUIC bit in stateless resets (#3008) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7243766bbca_673d3fa9522cd964779ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 11:31:05 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7243766bbca_673d3fa9522cd964779ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed, I think this is already clear and I don't see any need to change it. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3008#issuecomment-528818731 ----==_mimepart_5d7243766bbca_673d3fa9522cd964779ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Agreed, I think this is already clear and I don't see any need to change it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1377,14 +1378,18 @@ the DUPLICATE_PUSH.

Now that you're discussing H2 reserved types in this section, maybe it should be {#frame-reserved}?

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In draft-ietf-quic-http.md:

> @@ -1377,14 +1378,18 @@ the DUPLICATE_PUSH.

Perhaps, but those anchors don't appear in the final doc, so I care less. Still, there are only three references, so it's a minor change.

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Sep 6 08:29:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0FA8120D24 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y7n4JdwvOSS1 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01EC7120D2B for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:29:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567783768; bh=Au6FoxL00rOZDUksVOAaRYmNiJX9KQHsTEmlcFN3HHA=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=tRDwxijrXvo6aISezxRjhsoOUG+1cg8+6baqrogCWFMt1uNJaXLR+vMmilSEJqHiC MOtDuGVpHo9L2ICurr6DEesP9yC/IzGIVxQxAeUo33oTt8F0JoRpZRJaUc/1thVcbi YM8qf15xWBTyr0IzcazBxfsKWkgZCrPE92WWUo7U= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 0e88c7: Cache git repo between Circle runs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 15:29:33 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/circle_caching Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 0e88c71d058a7c4ae2f81f6f58419c55068d1e43 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0e88c71d058a7c4ae2f81f6f58419c55068d1e43 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-09-06 (Fri, 06 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Cache git repo between Circle runs From nobody Fri Sep 6 08:31:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7E47120D53 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:31:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5CjbZDrXcBl for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2765F120D2B for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:30:57 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567783857; bh=oBkcLY//OHRbMRwr0VRgz6vEMZrObiV/efB+RWDowYk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=IpGfbJurm+d1pPcABHFGdyx2CazV2wFqaZlhA8PUzwLTBgVw/UVzCl3HWkAOLJJwg ZMzqAj2AO6pXFCY6R/bHe13IVsujZPG5CB3Ja1BnSFpwe8zEYHk3C3719slIkEwjkL ClzVi6Q3LAJQf3NR7dq4y9/JW8pFCtBXSqmJYf3g= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 7c8699: Script updating gh-pages from 0e88c71d. 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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Sep 6 08:33:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5336120CF2 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:33:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EoFvdQmJYADj for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1846E120CD0 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:33:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:33:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567784019; bh=chYIUzMbaXemPuJhk1aVpeGdomjnP0HRfMsv9whxDg0=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=BcyLzRHTwfw/1zjYUUKmNbJrEFUisJ7ly+5fBr1pe6zWvLE6D7cVcaxQqto3cp0mR VC3atuQ/wR1IPCXZR/mQLD6cKM/ymUtzhenUGmtVonPBs6NGtq/6rhu1LPnb1ByzCr CYy6PTd6UIacZVHUoJLwCY/D5g3VkV++mfKfu7J8= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] e9cc8c: Cache git repo between Circle runs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 15:33:42 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/circle_caching Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: e9cc8c520d52d4eceec91918b1af145f87b02305 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e9cc8c520d52d4eceec91918b1af145f87b02305 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-09-06 (Fri, 06 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Cache git repo between Circle runs From nobody Fri Sep 6 08:35:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC0C9120CF1 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:35:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bDqefCcK4nki for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 247A6120CD0 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:35:13 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567784113; bh=a+zDlehc5YfhrbohSOHYF47UYvemvze8/zfuHaDEgPg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=Hmy3Ebl9PANK9SvFM7ULd8fHPoZXwgm56XBcjmXv9jukjRokMkXlDcW1bS1JMRFbm dwsM2qql4fY3w0Igb4zxSilWDmaOk06ClS61sXQ3WS2vh3Hh1hhXEtBWaytK6xgC4i QRppsokIK+ER1BFEu7fC8maFWgsQWb3Yc8VwCxyQ= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] dc082a: Script updating gh-pages from e9cc8c52. 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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Sep 6 08:35:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 785A7120CF2 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:35:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ZwL5MB6SVLL for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF7F1120CD0 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:35:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:35:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567784142; bh=MEftV9Nvh8oaacWvioDcifW3THAFumSqyJniUe5GOTg=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=vgPfUH4pazMxgRqy5WjprxOxDD64CL2rQinn6oV8JQDZvfcxURmwvobBv1Ee8i1mp 0O9eIdj6pqRWp/bSK5oCyYSLCumF+f5Y5NTKvOQBTcVP11yHbY1+lBclj2X6DXmIMi GN5GuFQF5/iv6Wyx2nC0Ly3Co18kIxyBqZOisoeE= From: Mike Bishop To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] a7d7f9: Cache git repo between Circle runs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 15:35:45 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/circle_caching Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: a7d7f9d96c84ef8fe85e9bae21665f240cb38507 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a7d7f9d96c84ef8fe85e9bae21665f240cb38507 Author: Mike Bishop Date: 2019-09-06 (Fri, 06 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Cache git repo between Circle runs From nobody Fri Sep 6 08:36:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74FD6120CF1 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:36:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dFG6tZ07fdnh for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0EB85120CD0 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 08:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 08:36:30 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567784190; bh=TpWUdUC48GTurO2VBxkbc2TJ5IyHu+TokiugFDD0gYU=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=wvK5icogp+1NHTSVNZYanRyuQYYNbtHO/lT7E+//hg53bNIaTQ9sQi/Sa6svOOwFi a4XwQLe7XWZ5RZtBsWHbjNz8s4aiWREPNbJpWk8+yIk3T/JkLkFFhH8noMGAGvCcNj JHOEBLN5UaE+6BnLCxcj1JKKnbUwPTeNJgM09DSQ= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 38ee9a: Script updating gh-pages from a7d7f9d9. 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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3009 -- Commit Summary -- * Cache git repo between Circle runs * Cache draft references too -- File Changes -- M .circleci/config.yml (28) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3009.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3009.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3009 ----==_mimepart_5d728038890c2_4f553f93116cd96c25316a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This appears to shave almost a minute off of build times.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3009

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  • Cache draft references too

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Sep 6 09:47:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB11120934 for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECRCWeQ13RhC for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD7B612091B for ; Fri, 6 Sep 2019 09:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 09:47:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567788437; bh=shGx8EjxGwyxPokNhltXiIHWdelPyE3lDI7BZZjwMx0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=M6TDpz5Gd09jjcCfx3EPxbp0S3M8jYQO8Fcca7b+bIQ5W9Ti229/adfyfBwZ6MLmq byc47ne3+R/jY0gl0qqcMB1HsQDzA0bXtOHvtesQb51+5MyzaPvd5FKJIl1VM2jf3J zsSUwkJ0/yMd6q7ne/wlvOj5g5PJ/rIxZ43qYbso= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to make the stateless reset text better (#3007) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d728d95a7d22_50453f7e7b8cd9601634bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Sep 2019 16:47:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d728d95a7d22_50453f7e7b8cd9601634bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett approved this pull request. > -packet protection AEAD. More unpredictable bytes might be necessary if the -endpoint could have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum -AEAD expansion. - -An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than -the packet it receives. Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be -valid QUIC packets. With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}, -packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid. +To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to +be a packet with a short header. For the stateless reset to appear as a valid +QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of +data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits). + +A minimum size of 21 bytes does not guarantee that a stateless reset is +difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of +a connection ID. In order to ensure that a stateless reset that appears to be This second sentence is hard to follow. How about "To prevent a resulting stateless reset from being distinguished from a valid packet, all packets ..." -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007#pullrequestreview-284979270 ----==_mimepart_5d728d95a7d22_50453f7e7b8cd9601634bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -packet protection AEAD.  More unpredictable bytes might be necessary if the
-endpoint could have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum
-AEAD expansion.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
-the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
-valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
-packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid.
+To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to
+be a packet with a short header.  For the stateless reset to appear as a valid
+QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of
+data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits).
+
+A minimum size of 21 bytes does not guarantee that a stateless reset is
+difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of
+a connection ID.  In order to ensure that a stateless reset that appears to be

This second sentence is hard to follow. How about "To prevent a resulting stateless reset from being distinguished from a valid packet, all packets ..."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -804,17 +803,14 @@ modifying the contents of packets from future versions.
 The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial
 packets even where the TLS versions offered do not include TLS 1.3.
 
+The secrets used for protecting Initial packets do not change during the
+connection, even after receiving a Retry.  A server that sends a Retry
+therefore needs to either remember Initial protection keys or save them

Good point, MT suggested some simplifications to the text and I added a sentence clarifying that this is not a new requirement, it just changes when the connection ID is used.

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Thanks both. I just wanted to check and didn't feel like I had the brain cells to answer that. I don't like relying on the image only, but the text says "two fixed bits", and stateless reset - unlike Version Negotiation - is version-specific. So I'm closing with no action.

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I was concerned that this wouldn't be very much good.

The {{ .Revision }} key means that that cache entry is only going to be good for rebuilding that revision, something that we don't do, except when we are tagging a release. The tag for {{ .Branch }} is probably good, but not for master, which will be baking in as soon as this lands (if it hasn't already).

The {{ epoch }} tag is only good if we run builds within a second of each other.

How about an idea that I just had. We can run arbitrary code to generate a file. If we were to write something to a file and then use {{ checksum ".reference-cache-key" }} we could ensure that the value rolls over daily so that we have a hot reference cache. We could do the same for the git cache so that it is mostly at most a certain date old. You can even cascade caches by reading from {{ checksum ".cache-today" }} and {{ checksum ".cache-yesterday" }}.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Sep 8 18:13:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD3C120089 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:13:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DMEuhxLLYs1E for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:13:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC91A12004D for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2019 18:13:14 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567991594; bh=AtWJmteGn4X1GN9mjGR+yucKlzYMFjylCqvYn7XkMK4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=TScr9LjHqNWMWxv4AjsYyZe1E0K2J5BPbFc+H6IJAmRfRRBxiHtum3dfWco+IwdH6 9UtEYhUPf313SOFn5KMFwkZUdq8IMlH93wShdbOX1OGEmFoSLqBSiMkYCHICsirJej +wvE7wx2NrMD8bpagRGBwogtNmrKJm7htmaA47gk= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Describe interaction between QUIC and TLS regarding saved 0-RTT state (#2947) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d75a72acefac_57703fd62becd95c40145b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 01:13:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d75a72acefac_57703fd62becd95c40145b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that this is borderline editorial, as you more or less have to do this. It does change the API, which is enough of a change that it's worth having an issue. I'll open an issue and ask the chairs to call consensus. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2947#issuecomment-529267154 ----==_mimepart_5d75a72acefac_57703fd62becd95c40145b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think that this is borderline editorial, as you more or less have to do this. It does change the API, which is enough of a change that it's worth having an issue. I'll open an issue and ask the chairs to call consensus.

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[ci skip] From nobody Sun Sep 8 18:16:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C72D4120089 for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VoFIlPkK6kFX for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76DA812004D for ; Sun, 8 Sep 2019 18:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2019 18:16:17 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1567991777; bh=bESZtstKjGkqrB2X0INhYf4QRnApapVxsMHxE2lsnyQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=SNaDMQCv/bo14EnOdTgb4LGdUb2QUmfz4VpfkOIrG1PiVpBULiVDy/7IBO+WDLyGD QVWODK7gvwEPvVzVTe4X6Hqu75cpy9QlQ+sKmUYyN4GValRYAcs5uLVeFXvo6SdU1y U6Y/LCwK8rl0kMbODPq1h2cx4h+KUrg0keI/Dv04= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Validating 0-RTT configuration in TLS API (#3010) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d75a7e157867_62ca3fc9598cd9642063e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 01:16:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d75a7e157867_62ca3fc9598cd9642063e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit PR #2947 describes a new piece of the interface between a QUIC and TLS implementation as it relates to 0-RTT. That's not really new - you had to do this to get 0-RTT working - but it is enough new text that it's worth having this pass under the collective noses of the working group. @nharper has produced text, which I think is good, but we should run the process. Chairs, my suggestion is that we mark this "design" and run a consensus call. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3010 ----==_mimepart_5d75a7e157867_62ca3fc9598cd9642063e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

PR #2947 describes a new piece of the interface between a QUIC and TLS implementation as it relates to 0-RTT. That's not really new - you had to do this to get 0-RTT working - but it is enough new text that it's worth having this pass under the collective noses of the working group.

@nharper has produced text, which I think is good, but we should run the process.

Chairs, my suggestion is that we mark this "design" and run a consensus call.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -805,10 +805,12 @@ The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial
 packets even where the TLS versions offered do not include TLS 1.3.
 
 The secrets used for protecting Initial packets do not change during the
-connection, even though the destination connection ID in client Initial packets
-changes after receiving a Retry.  A server that sends a Retry
-therefore needs to either remember the original connection ID
-or save the original connection ID in the Retry token.
+connection, even though the destination connection ID in client Initial
+packets changes after receiving a Retry.  A server that sends a Retry
+therefore needs to either remember the original connection ID or save
+the original connection ID in the Retry token.  Because the initial
+connection ID is included in the server's transport parameters, the only
+difference is when in the packet processing this connection ID is utilized.

This reads like justification for a change, rather than static text. How about:

The initial connection ID is needed by a server to reconstruct packet protection keys and so that it can produce the correct value for the original_connection_id transport parameter.

And are we using "initial" or "original" here? I went with original on the basis that it distinguished this from Initial packets, but it's not clear to be that that distinction is necessary, or even a good idea. After all, this connection ID is what is driving packet protection for those packets; the linkage might be useful.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

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The important piece there are the multi-tiered keys in restore:

      - restore_cache:
          name: "Restoring cache - Git"
          keys:
            - v1-cache-git-{{ .Branch }}-{{ .Revision }}
            - v1-cache-git-{{ .Branch }}
            - v1-cache-git-

      - restore_cache:
          name: "Restoring cache - References"
          keys:
            - v1-cache-references-{{ epoch }}
            - v1-cache-references-

The revision will never match, so it picks up the most recent git repo cached for that branch. The epoch will almost never match, so it picks up the most recent reference cache generated. We could drop the first line of each restore_cache keys directive and get the same behavior.

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And too, the proof is in the pudding -- the first build on this branch took 1:48; git caching brought it to 0:56, and reference caching brought it to 0:37.

  • Code checkout goes from 36 seconds to sub-second (shows as zero)
  • Draft build time goes from 32 seconds to 6 seconds
  • Saving the git cache costs 5-6 seconds
  • Saving the reference cache is sub-second

There's a few seconds' variation around each of those -- the last build on the branch went back up to 0:43. But still, I stand by my claim that we improve by nearly a minute per build.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Sep 9 09:34:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85F43120271 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VLFwGMJP_TeK for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 85F271201EA for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 09:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 09:34:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568046877; bh=s6hlqd0VOhg2+DaazFjpNoNzTt49C1eSXHGYO8k2Re0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q76swyB33Y4od6jpAgEdvB4ZBda3jj/DGwHTZWwiqYtXDPkT/wW+mGTQs/fWRK7PG /Nnq94MA3s0EzQr+QANtxQG2joxJMUZqYik3F8Ls1E00Xh3iPO3scFZiobUTlk4Bkj vxDgJAHrr0A3CoymFFjlx6LUZ1q4A7RDH6G+H67k= From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to make the stateless reset text better (#3007) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d767f1d790e1_5cd93fe5df2cd9688033d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 16:34:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d767f1d790e1_5cd93fe5df2cd9688033d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinduke approved this pull request. I believe this PR addresses the stated issue, which is that the text is unclear. However, I am still concerned about the security properties of this design. > -16 bytes for AEAD expansion, and an extra byte to allow the peer to -send a smaller stateless reset than the packet it receives. - -The Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the -packet protection AEAD. More unpredictable bytes might be necessary if the -endpoint could have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum -AEAD expansion. - -An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than -the packet it receives. Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be -valid QUIC packets. With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}, -packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid. +To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to +be a packet with a short header. For the stateless reset to appear as a valid +QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of +data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits). 5 bytes > -the packet it receives. Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be -valid QUIC packets. With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}}, -packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid. +To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to +be a packet with a short header. For the stateless reset to appear as a valid +QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of +data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits). + +A minimum size of 21 bytes does not guarantee that a stateless reset is +difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of +a connection ID. To prevent a resulting stateless reset from being trivially +distinguishable from a valid packet, all packets sent by an endpoint SHOULD be +padded to at least 22 bytes longer than the minimum connection ID that the +endpoint might use. An endpoint that sends a stateless reset in response to +packet that is 43 bytes or less in length SHOULD send a stateless reset that is +one byte shorter than the packet it responds to. at least one byte? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007#pullrequestreview-285625384 ----==_mimepart_5d767f1d790e1_5cd93fe5df2cd9688033d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke approved this pull request.

I believe this PR addresses the stated issue, which is that the text is unclear.

However, I am still concerned about the security properties of this design.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -16 bytes for AEAD expansion, and an extra byte to allow the peer to
-send a smaller stateless reset than the packet it receives.
-
-The Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the
-packet protection AEAD.  More unpredictable bytes might be necessary if the
-endpoint could have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum
-AEAD expansion.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
-the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
-valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
-packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid.
+To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to
+be a packet with a short header.  For the stateless reset to appear as a valid
+QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of
+data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits).

5 bytes

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
-valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
-packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid.
+To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to
+be a packet with a short header.  For the stateless reset to appear as a valid
+QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of
+data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits).
+
+A minimum size of 21 bytes does not guarantee that a stateless reset is
+difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of
+a connection ID.  To prevent a resulting stateless reset from being trivially
+distinguishable from a valid packet, all packets sent by an endpoint SHOULD be
+padded to at least 22 bytes longer than the minimum connection ID that the
+endpoint might use.  An endpoint that sends a stateless reset in response to
+packet that is 43 bytes or less in length SHOULD send a stateless reset that is
+one byte shorter than the packet it responds to.

at least one byte?

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@MikeBishop commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -805,10 +805,12 @@ The HKDF-Expand-Label function defined in TLS 1.3 MUST be used for Initial
 packets even where the TLS versions offered do not include TLS 1.3.
 
 The secrets used for protecting Initial packets do not change during the
-connection, even though the destination connection ID in client Initial packets
-changes after receiving a Retry.  A server that sends a Retry
-therefore needs to either remember the original connection ID
-or save the original connection ID in the Retry token.
+connection, even though the destination connection ID in client Initial
+packets changes after receiving a Retry.  A server that sends a Retry
+therefore needs to either remember the original connection ID or save
+the original connection ID in the Retry token.  Because the initial
+connection ID is included in the server's transport parameters, the only
+difference is when in the packet processing this connection ID is utilized.

At the time, we were trying to avoid confusion between the original DCID, which generated the keys, and the DCID in the current Initial. It was a useful distinction in the old design. With this change, I think that distinction is no longer useful.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -16 bytes for AEAD expansion, and an extra byte to allow the peer to
-send a smaller stateless reset than the packet it receives.
-
-The Stateless Reset Token corresponds to the minimum expansion of the
-packet protection AEAD.  More unpredictable bytes might be necessary if the
-endpoint could have negotiated a packet protection scheme with a larger minimum
-AEAD expansion.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD NOT send a stateless reset that is significantly larger than
-the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
-valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
-packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid.
+To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to
+be a packet with a short header.  For the stateless reset to appear as a valid
+QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of
+data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits).

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> -the packet it receives.  Endpoints MUST discard packets that are too small to be
-valid QUIC packets.  With the set of AEAD functions defined in {{QUIC-TLS}},
-packets that are smaller than 21 bytes are never valid.
+To entities other than its intended recipient, a stateless reset will appear to
+be a packet with a short header.  For the stateless reset to appear as a valid
+QUIC packet, the Unpredictable Bits field needs to include at least 38 bits of
+data (or 6 bytes, less the two fixed bits).
+
+A minimum size of 21 bytes does not guarantee that a stateless reset is
+difficult to distinguish from other packets if the recipient requires the use of
+a connection ID.  To prevent a resulting stateless reset from being trivially
+distinguishable from a valid packet, all packets sent by an endpoint SHOULD be
+padded to at least 22 bytes longer than the minimum connection ID that the
+endpoint might use.  An endpoint that sends a stateless reset in response to
+packet that is 43 bytes or less in length SHOULD send a stateless reset that is
+one byte shorter than the packet it responds to.

This is precisely one. If the sender is following their side and sending the absolute minimum, then you can't go smaller without the resulting packet becoming obviously invalid.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Sep 9 17:15:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCEA2120809 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:15:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OA0jRY1x6BoY for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31D5A120180 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:15:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 17:15:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568074545; bh=4jQijWnsC4siTvE4Np5dZYtZ1jADUK5BVlC7IdJWe1g=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Q3FVobZITUWXlqCotowD4dLHvvrrwvyl2ssD7jlF2xHTJIhWP3eXjwGpQD86x2NxI K/Pd9bFOkDIq23AAmArZn5ue7VzaKYF6NyYA1IQibfMjhJS0vWwElJMxBYchIdDGIg AtxuF4I6PKqUbO4I7sXtq8uYW/v+f5E5vsXjYdh8= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Attempt to make the stateless reset text better (#3007) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d76eb317d4ed_51653fda668cd964392e6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 00:15:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d76eb317d4ed_51653fda668cd964392e6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke if you can lay out what you think the security concerns are in another issue, that would helpful. I realize that there are plenty of compromises in this design, which make this less than ideal. But first I'd like to try to understand where you think this is falling short. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3007#issuecomment-529715076 ----==_mimepart_5d76eb317d4ed_51653fda668cd964392e6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke if you can lay out what you think the security concerns are in another issue, that would helpful. I realize that there are plenty of compromises in this design, which make this less than ideal. But first I'd like to try to understand where you think this is falling short.

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----==_mimepart_5d76eb317d4ed_51653fda668cd964392e6-- From nobody Mon Sep 9 17:19:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A484612080A for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:19:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ceHF47cleIxd for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3295F120180 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 17:19:21 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568074761; bh=7P7spx4+RyDr50QCq+T3lG0dTeggYfNZABAyzxDI7I8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eigIDJrgT4iISKlv3tKVgVBoVnV5g5Bw2q/mUCGKySVVSzYz1TziH58QpVx8i1rig YgV+/kBKK9BXjsiXRIwfH1W6ivFLuZxqtt4A7OKT7qI1rtiWIwNYXJJVrBjMU1vVN2 bEnDZRhwOfahmU6pzbzSxT+ibqSMBcUr60N1Neic= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Cache git repo, draft references in Circle (#3009) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d76ec093e9fc_6e413fe391ccd96856466"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 00:19:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d76ec093e9fc_6e413fe391ccd96856466 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's great for now, while there are relatively few new commits to add and the references are fresh. However, we are creating caches for things that won't ever be used again (``{{ .Revision }}` and `{{ epoch }}`), which takes time that doesn't pay back. More seriously, the `{{ .Branch }}` thing is a one-time event. We will always be picking up the cache that you create the first time `master` uses this build. And the references cache will be old in less than a week now, but that is the cache that will be used in perpetuity. Sure, this is good in the sense that the build will survive networking blips (assuming that we don't add more citations), but those references will be ancient. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3009#issuecomment-529715739 ----==_mimepart_5d76ec093e9fc_6e413fe391ccd96856466 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

That's great for now, while there are relatively few new commits to add and the references are fresh. However, we are creating caches for things that won't ever be used again (``{{ .Revision }}and{{ epoch }}`), which takes time that doesn't pay back.

More seriously, the {{ .Branch }} thing is a one-time event. We will always be picking up the cache that you create the first time master uses this build. And the references cache will be old in less than a week now, but that is the cache that will be used in perpetuity. Sure, this is good in the sense that the build will survive networking blips (assuming that we don't add more citations), but those references will be ancient.

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----==_mimepart_5d76ec093e9fc_6e413fe391ccd96856466-- From nobody Mon Sep 9 17:29:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E90B120045 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:29:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eRjabReitCiK for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-16.smtp.github.com (out-16.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E74B120024 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 17:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 17:29:37 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568075377; bh=AZ4JZ70dQQg3nY0ryicx/tAAO8NYvVPVfi6YQ/iSARY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=h/QtMR/2t0lkFnOjJPlmXRTbb7wo5Qyc0arhziow6Q8ulWg1+4oy/hMznBQVRLUp/ tuiCURiOeY8Zjpsx1kzi2C/JoJbV/l73XjSfzRuuQeL9k6Rcbzg1Pbpeq5AICnwc49 NJn/zSMcUxbNPTjLUXnQVRDWESlJo+pTz08Ir/Os= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Original/Initial Connection ID (#3011) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d76ee7196381_792e3f84816cd96018775"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 00:29:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d76ee7196381_792e3f84816cd96018775 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The connection ID that the client chooses for the Destination Connection ID hold special status. It is used for source address validation for servers that send Retry or Version Negotiation, it determines the packet protection keys for Initial packets, and it is used to validate the Retry. If we go with #2878 (which isn't yet decided, but seems plausible) then we have an opportunity to revisit this naming. The name "original" was chosen to distinguish this connection ID from the one that was in other Initial packets, as the value wasn't the same for all Initial packets and the packet protection keys were also consistent. Using "initial" might be feasible if the packet protection keys are all based on this one value. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3011 ----==_mimepart_5d76ee7196381_792e3f84816cd96018775 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The connection ID that the client chooses for the Destination Connection ID hold special status. It is used for source address validation for servers that send Retry or Version Negotiation, it determines the packet protection keys for Initial packets, and it is used to validate the Retry.

If we go with #2878 (which isn't yet decided, but seems plausible) then we have an opportunity to revisit this naming. The name "original" was chosen to distinguish this connection ID from the one that was in other Initial packets, as the value wasn't the same for all Initial packets and the packet protection keys were also consistent. Using "initial" might be feasible if the packet protection keys are all based on this one value.

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----==_mimepart_5d76ee7196381_792e3f84816cd96018775-- From nobody Mon Sep 9 18:45:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EF1B12009C for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 18:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.595 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.595 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x-vF5wo5ljJg for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DD71120024 for ; Mon, 9 Sep 2019 18:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2019 18:45:45 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568079945; bh=1pjvjx9NHyp5pF6F960nshR5ta7w6jSsMJ4K2j9C1Mc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T5l2rI0wQeBu5aJUv+3yvwOGH1vhVTCCb4IYqBK/26FLR1noQTJNM5kN5cNixHasf PASqhrYjgI49HHHxSXeVaCJIPxKdvDMtXRC7TO7XvHDu1Xy+QOY9oQGiOwWsMBtvfj VqTDXWttcbi6uELVbQCuQTzoFZ0rU2v93HrU/u3c= From: Masakazu Kitajo Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Add CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED to the error code table (#3012) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d77004956a08_11f03fae4bccd95c29374a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: maskit X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 01:45:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d77004956a08_11f03fae4bccd95c29374a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit `CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED` is described in section 20 (Transport Error Codes) but it's not on the error code table in section 22.3 (QUIC Transport Error Codes Registry). You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3012 -- Commit Summary -- * Add CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED to the error code table -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (1) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3012.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3012.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3012 ----==_mimepart_5d77004956a08_11f03fae4bccd95c29374a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED is described in section 20 (Transport Error Codes) but it's not on the error code table in section 22.3 (QUIC Transport Error Codes Registry).

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3012

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  • Add CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED to the error code table

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Section 6.3 states:

For a server to use a new version in the future, clients need to correctly handle unsupported versions. To help ensure this, a server SHOULD include a version that is reserved for forcing version negotiation (0x?a?a?a?a as defined in Section 15) when generating a Version Negotiation packet.

I think that the text might be stale, as we no longer specify how a client should handle the payload of the Version Negotiation packet. All what we specify now is that when a client receives a Version Negotiation packet, it MUST abandon the current connection attempt.

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@marten-seemann approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5877,6 +5877,7 @@ The initial contents of this registry are shown in {{iana-error-table}}.
 | 0x7   | FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR      | Frame encoding error          | {{error-codes}} |
 | 0x8   | TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR | Error in transport parameters | {{error-codes}} |
 | 0xA   | PROTOCOL_VIOLATION        | Generic protocol violation    | {{error-codes}} |
+| 0xD   | CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED    | CRYPTO data buffer overflowed | {{error-codes}} |

Not an issue with this PR, but I'm wondering if we should change the number to 0x9, in order to fill the gap.

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This is still possible, it just doesn't have any effect on a version 1 client. I think that we can leave this as-is without ill effect.

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----==_mimepart_5d776f11a5ba_43ef3f81218cd96c34712-- From nobody Tue Sep 10 07:07:09 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C86A120132 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xmG1g3bCXF2t for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-21.smtp.github.com (out-21.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.204]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680B9120110 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 07:07:04 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568124424; bh=/fHu6G+y9WAxYVKBd+lch2z+Ew8yV0pyuQySn6bZ4u4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=FnAKizUlX6t+41SbewI9L+NXkLAGcqxQUYt6SGtLy3/v6w6tXSZQfnM/EJu0z4Ng3 cB4Z+7PUHLhK9AshSRM8KUTIz+R3l73q75A231ox2TeGdoEocAobOo9XgqMB8QytKM i39xP/RJRTcm9wfxLdGhEpKEzIdmAfFfEYBtGOpA= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC versions can no longer be greased (#3013) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d77ae0885b8c_69ed3f9ee0ccd96850098"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:07:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d77ae0885b8c_69ed3f9ee0ccd96850098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This is still possible, it just doesn't have any effect on a version 1 client. I'm not sure, as the client is required to "abandon the current connection attempt" ([section 6.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.6.2)) when receiving a Version Negotiation packet, even without consulting the payload of that packet. Doesn't that prohibit the servers from sending VN packets against V1 packets, assuming that servers would prefer serving all the connections that it can accept? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3013#issuecomment-529951922 ----==_mimepart_5d77ae0885b8c_69ed3f9ee0ccd96850098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is still possible, it just doesn't have any effect on a version 1 client.

I'm not sure, as the client is required to "abandon the current connection attempt" (section 6.2) when receiving a Version Negotiation packet, even without consulting the payload of that packet.

Doesn't that prohibit the servers from sending VN packets against V1 packets, assuming that servers would prefer serving all the connections that it can accept?

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Are we fine with that? I ask this, because it seems to me that an one bit flip in some parts of a Retry packet can cause the connection establishment effort to fail in unexpected ways. To paraphrase, are we fine with certain deployments of QUIC being more fragile to accidental bit flips during connection establishment, than compared to TCP (that always have the checksum)? Note that checksum is an optional feature in UDP. Below are what I believe would happen there is a bit flip in a Retry packet. Consider the case where a bit in the SCID field of a Retry packet is flipped. The client would send back an Initial packet that carries this CID as the DCID. To the server, such an Initial packet would look like an attack, as it contains a Retry Token issued for a different server CID. Therefore, the server is likely to either drop the Initial packet, or close the connection immediately. This behavior would be a must for firewall generating Retry packets in order to redistribute the load between the servers running behind, as the load would be distributed by assigning different server CIDs to different servers. Consider the case where a bit in the Token field of a Retry packet is flipped. The client would send back an Initial packet that carries this corrupt token. To the server, such an Initial packet *might* look like an Initial packet carrying an outdated token. Then, that server would send back a Retry packet carrying a new Retry token. But the client would drop the new Retry packet (because the client is required to accept only one Retry packet). The client continues retransmitting Initial packets using the corrupt token, until it time outs. Bit flips in the DCID, ODCID, as such packets would be dropped by the client. Bit flips in the length fields are likely to cause no harm, and in the worst case scenario it would look either of the above. PS. 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Retry packet does not have a checksum (e.g., CRC32, AEAD tag), and therefore is fragile to accidental bit flips that happen on the wire.

Are we fine with that? I ask this, because it seems to me that an one bit flip in some parts of a Retry packet can cause the connection establishment effort to fail in unexpected ways. To paraphrase, are we fine with certain deployments of QUIC being more fragile to accidental bit flips during connection establishment, than compared to TCP (that always have the checksum)? Note that checksum is an optional feature in UDP.

Below are what I believe would happen there is a bit flip in a Retry packet.

Consider the case where a bit in the SCID field of a Retry packet is flipped. The client would send back an Initial packet that carries this CID as the DCID. To the server, such an Initial packet would look like an attack, as it contains a Retry Token issued for a different server CID. Therefore, the server is likely to either drop the Initial packet, or close the connection immediately. This behavior would be a must for firewall generating Retry packets in order to redistribute the load between the servers running behind, as the load would be distributed by assigning different server CIDs to different servers.

Consider the case where a bit in the Token field of a Retry packet is flipped. The client would send back an Initial packet that carries this corrupt token. To the server, such an Initial packet might look like an Initial packet carrying an outdated token. Then, that server would send back a Retry packet carrying a new Retry token. But the client would drop the new Retry packet (because the client is required to accept only one Retry packet). The client continues retransmitting Initial packets using the corrupt token, until it time outs.

Bit flips in the DCID, ODCID, as such packets would be dropped by the client. Bit flips in the length fields are likely to cause no harm, and in the worst case scenario it would look either of the above.

PS. Version Negotiation packet also lacks a checksum. Though I think we are not going to use that packet type in V1 (see #3013).

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One option would be to require UDP checksum for QUIC, right?

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@nibanks I don't think we should mix those layers. It would prevent QUIC from running elsewhere.

I do think that everything should be checksummed, like the initial packet. The problem is versioning, so each version need some official checksum schema.

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I don't think it's a huge requirement that QUIC must be sent over a medium that is checksummed. IPv6 also has checksum already too, right?

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----==_mimepart_5d77ba374998f_6c1d3fd5d90cd96c180025-- From nobody Tue Sep 10 08:03:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F3D41201A3 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:03:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BnbuXDvxnHho for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-9.smtp.github.com (out-9.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7152F120170 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 08:03:51 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568127832; bh=l3hO8dxYhGHWrf3T6di2y/sWRz4mGpjzNGpG8GhHD+A=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zSYUxEmVLvQZmChY7Xzoin5BqwjD9+6bSKWTls52dHatEtsQmP/Hz7usJWtm0HtoT ryqy3A6GG/7Q0khjjodFWaWR3in2bihKx4y4FuIkZVxkBHEWEJ5OaX+V3m748vgKXs vv+0pXc2XIzVUerLsj+JO7CQ/5cP/BDmOJHHfPEk= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d77bb57e9541_541a3fa8ceecd96439427d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:03:53 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d77bb57e9541_541a3fa8ceecd96439427d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Well, sort of, but since QUIC in 99.999% if the cases does its own QUICsumming, it would be an odd requirement. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-529978855 ----==_mimepart_5d77bb57e9541_541a3fa8ceecd96439427d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Well, sort of, but since QUIC in 99.999% if the cases does its own QUICsumming, it would be an odd requirement.

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Of course UDP sums still make sense for intermediate routing but that is fabric internal.

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I'd personally prefer to depend on UDP in this case, especially since it already has performant hardware solutions. Why invent something new when there is a pre-existing solution? Also, we are only charted for UDP, as far as I know.

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Sure, only UDP, I'd just like to avoid hardcoding that dependency for a single case when you could just add a sha256 at the end or something.

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I think it's reasonable to recommend using UDP checksums, particularly for unprotected packets such as Retry and VN.

I hadn't thought through the implications of a corrupted Retry token to realize it makes the handshake unrecoverable. I'm not sure I want to fix that issue now, but I think it's worth documenting.

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FWIW, I think that there are three options:

  1. Document the behavior, recommend using UDP checksums.
  2. Define a QUIC error code that recommends the client to retry establishing a connection. Then, a server recognizing the situations listed above can send that error code.
  3. Add a checksum to the Retry packet. It could be a CRC, or could be a GMAC (i.e. AES-GCM without any encrypted data).

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Id suggest not using GMAC, at least for VNEG, because GMAC might be outdated before VNEG, and it is complex.

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@mikkelfj Retry is a concept specific to QUIC v1, which already depends on AES-GCM for protecting the integrity of Initial packets. Therefore, IMO use of GMAC would be a reasonable choice if we decide to give it a checksum. Use of GMAC would be simpler than other algorithms, because then QUIC stacks can use the existing code that encrypts the Initial packet; Retry packet would be a packet that is encrypted exactly the same way as the Initial packet, with the only exceptions being that the nonce is fixed to zero and that the encrypted part is zero bytes.

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I don't think we disagree. I did mention VNEG explicitly. But, one could argue that that if VNEG uses a different hash, why not use it for Retry as well - not that I care that much.

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We may want to change the text to say that these versions are reserved for future greasing, but yeah, I think the text needs some rework.

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This definitely seems like a reasonable concern to me. I'd be inclined to extend to Retry packets the use of obfuscation/encryption similar to what we do for Initial packets. Heck, we could even encrypt the retry token itself if we really wished to (in keeping with our philosophy of obfuscating/hiding as much as humanly possible)

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Fixes #2569 An alternative to #2987 You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3015 -- Commit Summary -- * Use contains() -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (2) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3015.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3015.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3015 ----==_mimepart_5d77eb3987539_2bbf3f7f8c4cd95c40943b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Per @martinthomson suggestion, use contains() instead of the implicit check.

Fixes #2569
An alternative to #2987

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3015

Commit Summary

  • Use contains()

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:28:46 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 539ebafa9f67c7eb9a9b98b1f67b4b247df25e54 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/539ebafa9f67c7eb9a9b98b1f67b4b247df25e54 Author: ID Bot Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-http.html A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-http.txt A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.html A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-invariants.txt A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.html A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-qpack.txt A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.txt A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-tls.txt A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html A ianswett-use-contains/draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt A ianswett-use-contains/index.html M index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from 7daa6462. [ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 10 11:29:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019201207FE for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:29:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lfH0sqbXced3 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E05A120273 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63031C04F3 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:29:29 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Replace remove() with setting to null (#2987) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d77eb8997765_439c3fce314cd9684136f9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:29:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d77eb8997765_439c3fce314cd9684136f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I created a 1-line PR #3015 to use contains(). 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I created a 1-line PR #3015 to use contains(). I slightly prefer that one to this one.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

I like this better.

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----==_mimepart_5d77ec365bfee_70a63faf3fccd96c236980-- From nobody Tue Sep 10 11:32:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EFF31201EA for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:32:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h3IDmdcOWRdO for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E01C5120041 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 11:32:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568140359; bh=TinUc7DB/fil0SRn99C646o35Lsv7tiIMXBHy+HeCMk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=onOlTBCGpIFS7g7VxyjRhS9sHwPjfTF4oqaSAVe1lPEvn7aCbCKTpj7D8URxmGfMH UD1Z/7ZVP59/1s6GcbsES4IyVzWEJGZhxYwOkavLuueUe0qqTVKy9QNM/3RgUDY720 +gw5+Y+z8/aq+NTRtLhcNEmuUrhcEZV/qtgeGC3g= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Replace remove() with setting to null (#2987) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d77ec473ad57_3dcf3fecb74cd964354798"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:32:41 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d77ec473ad57_3dcf3fecb74cd964354798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like #3015 better. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2987#issuecomment-530064391 ----==_mimepart_5d77ec473ad57_3dcf3fecb74cd964354798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I like #3015 better.

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We will always be picking up the cache that you create the first time master uses this build. And the references cache will be old in less than a week now, but that is the cache that will be used in perpetuity.

That would be true if we created a cache once and never wrote an updated one. But we're not -- we're creating a fresher one each time we run. We'll be picking up the cache from the last time master built, not the first.

Because each key is immutable once written, the keys have to be unique (epoch and revision). But when we're searching by prefix, that doesn't mean it's going to use the oldest possible match.

From https://circleci.com/docs/2.0/caching/#source-caching:

If there are multiple matches, the most recently generated cache will be used.

Again, look at the actual behavior for builds on this branch:

  • Build 12474 uses both caches from build 12461
  • Build 12461 uses both caches from build 12459
  • Build 12459 uses both caches from build 12457
  • Build 12457 uses both caches from build 12455
  • Build 12455 uses both caches from build 12453
  • Build 12453 uses the git cache from build 12451 and creates the reference cache
  • Build 12451 uses the git cache from build 12449
  • Build 12449 creates the git cache

Each build creates a new cache instance, and each run uses:

  • The most recent git cache for the current revision, or branch, or for master, or overall
  • The most recent reference cache from any previous run

Sure, odds are that each stored cache only gets used once and then sits there collecting dust until Circle expires it 30 days later, which means we're not amortizing the time to create the cache over multiple future runs. But the combined time to store a new cache instance and retrieve the latest cache instance is massively outweighed by the time saved by having that cache.

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+1. Using AES-GCM-128 with initial salts for retry could solve this elegantly.

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I agree with @martinthomson . We should remove the restrictions and add text explaining that servers can either buffer or send retry. I can write the PR if it helps.

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The block counter is tricky, as noted in the issue. The "obvious" choice is little-endian, as that is consistent with the philosophy of the designer (as I understand it), but that is not anything more than a guess. Absent strong evidence that big-endian is a better choice, I'm going to err on the side of not making a substantive change here. But I think that we need a consensus call to support that viewpoint. Closes #2171. Commit: b0f00edf9f8ba7139a6b7a2c36edd44112de5482 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b0f00edf9f8ba7139a6b7a2c36edd44112de5482 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-06 (Fri, 06 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Simplify more Commit: 519148f86e7ac22715efd04e246bbd4faef082e1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/519148f86e7ac22715efd04e246bbd4faef082e1 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-11 (Wed, 11 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2990 from quicwg/chacha-simple Simplify ChaCha20 interface Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f9d4213513d1...519148f86e7a From nobody Tue Sep 10 15:07:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E7C5120019 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:07:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Note: I got some questions about the renumbering of the error codes; I went ahead and took it because we've had a massive renumbering since the last published draft anyway. If we'd published the draft with the old numbering, I would have just left the hole.

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It's allowed by the spec, so people can surely do it, but we are talking about immediate ACK signaling in other ways too, and I don't think we want to encourage this behavior. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2952#issuecomment-530144296 ----==_mimepart_5d7822ff7648f_37fd3fa7b9ccd968630b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is a clever idea, but I don't think that we want to write it down in the spec. It's allowed by the spec, so people can surely do it, but we are talking about immediate ACK signaling in other ways too, and I don't think we want to encourage this behavior.

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@DavidSchinazi approved this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -495,6 +496,12 @@ client could interleave ACK frames that are protected with Handshake keys with
 0-RTT data and the server needs to process those acknowledgments in order to
 detect lost Handshake packets.
 
+QUIC also needs access to keys that might not ordinarily be available to a TLS
+implementation.  For instance, a client might need to acknowledge Handshake
+packets before it is ready to sent CRYPTO frames at that encryption level.  TLS

typo: ready to send

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This seems good, but it won't apply.

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if no cache exists for a repo, take master as the starting point Commit: 3588a5716876b9177305b56cc860361fdd980050 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3588a5716876b9177305b56cc860361fdd980050 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-11 (Wed, 11 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M .circleci/config.yml Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #3009 from quicwg/circle_caching Cache git repo, draft references in Circle Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/adc7f92f9081...3588a5716876 From nobody Tue Sep 10 15:45:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1680120806 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:44:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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How did I completely miss the prefix-matching thing. This is good.

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This is now sufficient rotten that I think we will have to start over.

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This is no longer relevant as Google is close to deploying an IETF QUIC draft.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

LGTM modulo the nitpick below.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>                                                     Get Handshake
                      <------------- Initial
+Handshake Received
+Install tx Handshake keys

s/Install tx Handshake keys/Install Handshake keys/?

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----==_mimepart_5d7840fd6d322_7e673ff7c54cd9642654c-- From nobody Tue Sep 10 17:47:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAE55120232 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:47:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CmScQEXTlbPs for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3589C12025D for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:47:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:47:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568162855; bh=KzcBsjU5mnMC43T0jRCKVN4itzUJg4NrUJvVXYZan5I=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=0WQwpqrR+tRP/ztyHKjfqHTlDIcS3qfWMRdDhbPgAjx0JB/i+U6rTQVq/ODcaQML5 YM0qCwMb0DC6hSZHpfq9NQ0S3PZIWD0H6QB3BvyJAnduFVlsJo50+3g26EW8b8k6Kt I6Sf/UxLNdZnUEK3/Zb5VKe1Dz+7M7s7d30whzZM= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 3d5e26: Keys need to be available to QUIC earlier Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 00:47:38 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 3d5e2692e439f2f488b92bad55f885827d702367 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3d5e2692e439f2f488b92bad55f885827d702367 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-26 (Mon, 26 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Keys need to be available to QUIC earlier ...than a TLS stack. The canonical example being the Handshake keys, which are needed by a client to acknowledge partial server Handshake flights. TLS won't use those keys itself until it has the entire set of Handshake messages from the server. In doing this, I decided that it makes sense to reorder the sequence diagram to show what incoming packets trigger different events. Closes #2328. Commit: e6c5d74fd41b62eab9e8333c89d89b01f5e1fb39 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e6c5d74fd41b62eab9e8333c89d89b01f5e1fb39 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-11 (Wed, 11 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- typo Commit: a668d506e6168a1aa831c0a2cf1f4c1ff9365f87 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a668d506e6168a1aa831c0a2cf1f4c1ff9365f87 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-11 (Wed, 11 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Both read and write for Handshake keys Commit: 11de393fbbde53a5aa6592fe7ed7052ca6bb5574 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/11de393fbbde53a5aa6592fe7ed7052ca6bb5574 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-11 (Wed, 11 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2992 from quicwg/keys-available-earlier Keys need to be available to QUIC earlier Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/a9aa362c8b66...11de393fbbde From nobody Tue Sep 10 17:47:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5063612025D for ; 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit janaiyengar commented on this pull request. > +An endpoint measures the delays intentionally introduced between when an +ACK-eliciting packet is received and the corresponding acknowledgment is sent. +The endpoint encodes this delay for the largest acknowledged packet in the +Ack Delay field of an ACK frame (see Section 19.3). This allows the receiver +of the ACK to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for +delayed acknowledgements, when estimating the path RTT. A packet might be +held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed. +An endpoint SHOULD NOT include these unintentional delays when populating +the Ack Delay field in an ACK frame. + +An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting +packets. The maximum ack delay is communicated in the max_ack_delay transport +parameter; see Section 18.1. max_ack_delay implies an explicit contract: +an endpoint promises to never delay acknowledgments of an ack-eliciting packet +by more than the indicated value. If it does, any excess accrues to the RTT +estimate and could result in spurious retransmissions from the peer. I think this should have been "delayed retransmissions". -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +An endpoint measures the delays intentionally introduced between when an
+ACK-eliciting packet is received and the corresponding acknowledgment is sent.
+The endpoint encodes this delay for the largest acknowledged packet in the
+Ack Delay field of an ACK frame (see Section 19.3). This allows the receiver
+of the ACK to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for
+delayed acknowledgements, when estimating the path RTT. A packet might be
+held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed.
+An endpoint SHOULD NOT include these unintentional delays when populating
+the Ack Delay field in an ACK frame.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting
+packets.  The maximum ack delay is communicated in the max_ack_delay transport
+parameter; see Section 18.1.  max_ack_delay implies an explicit contract:
+an endpoint promises to never delay acknowledgments of an ack-eliciting packet
+by more than the indicated value. If it does, any excess accrues to the RTT
+estimate and could result in spurious retransmissions from the peer.

I think this should have been "delayed retransmissions".

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I put the major wire-format change first. ekr likes the idea of marking such things as "special", but I don't subscribe to that theory. This is all important. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3019 -- Commit Summary -- * Changelog for transport-23 -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (32) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3019.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3019.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3019 ----==_mimepart_5d78506188950_64eb3f94768cd9681916ab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Someone already did TLS for me.

I put the major wire-format change first. ekr likes the idea of marking such things as "special", but I don't subscribe to that theory. This is all important.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3019

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  • Changelog for transport-23

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5d7852c8d9ee5_49b13fabe0acd96c361573-- From nobody Tue Sep 10 18:56:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E251207FE for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:56:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PUxKvHLJ5IrV for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56D8A120273 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:56:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568166975; bh=dYahWzfqR+aSLj9VFey8N7aRPPq3OSQ5KasPtvq4jvE=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=CpyI/jKwPLlfG8AuVGAf6p8gKv0Be4V9+RvAQjDN8aj4fWuRBlY2HbwvnEiRs6o0B Emhp2mOt8hdlNIaN52+UqQ41dC7sOf0UkCmYtrHQVMQ9QBW3veuCLRjodWzneuW/CJ 0lKt6exxlNnxx35zFqFHvqoscU8Ka7/9hxOkyqvE= From: Jana Iyengar To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 812ced: Move Generating Acknowledgements to Transport Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 01:56:19 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/ianswett-generating-acknowledgements Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 812ced0d74615a9483a593a08b73e406503d2fed https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/812ced0d74615a9483a593a08b73e406503d2fed Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Move Generating Acknowledgements to Transport Commit: f8fc854dc84230cb001eb6f17d8902e1f3fcda95 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f8fc854dc84230cb001eb6f17d8902e1f3fcda95 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Move, don't just remove the text This is an intermediate commit. There's a lot of text here, and a lot is duplicative. Commit: cfab7ed02da1122be8ff076ea86b6c894e806477 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cfab7ed02da1122be8ff076ea86b6c894e806477 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the "Crypto Handshake Data" section It was not adding anything and was misleading Commit: 4ac701ed78400ab797ec6d128863478a984501d7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4ac701ed78400ab797ec6d128863478a984501d7 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stop referencing QUIC Transport in QUIC Transport. Commit: 862bcd3f64a31af9cba383b1d5487b2bc6071fc2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/862bcd3f64a31af9cba383b1d5487b2bc6071fc2 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove obsolete text Removed: "Endpoints SHOULD send acknowledgments for packets containing CRYPTO frames with a reduced delay; see Section 6.2 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}." Obsolete now that #2646 landed and the default max_ack_delay for Initial and Handshake is 0. Commit: f364aab2cc25702d06509d3c83acdff00d8f0045 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f364aab2cc25702d06509d3c83acdff00d8f0045 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Stop referencing host-delay in Recovery Instead reference section 13.2 of transport Commit: 50f2a55bdf2e90740eb042e56978aa3c378aa8f3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50f2a55bdf2e90740eb042e56978aa3c378aa8f3 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix CircleCI (hopefully) By renaming "ACK Ranges" to "Managing ACK Ranges" Commit: eed60b25cea7f4b9a0391256ed4dfd4a5cf38565 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eed60b25cea7f4b9a0391256ed4dfd4a5cf38565 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 67ece93dc91c24be2646e05d8bac4ea444c7f0b1 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/67ece93dc91c24be2646e05d8bac4ea444c7f0b1 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: 6ff4cc0f6f62d2c3f53df957ef6bc5c7ec26c998 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6ff4cc0f6f62d2c3f53df957ef6bc5c7ec26c998 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: 1a07dcd794a4427518150d2bc47dc4e81568f7d5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1a07dcd794a4427518150d2bc47dc4e81568f7d5 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: ce3c950b0e4c1a0cf423b70b68f701d63072ce5c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce3c950b0e4c1a0cf423b70b68f701d63072ce5c Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: d77285c9c7d2887d26e636a412262fef97c16fc4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d77285c9c7d2887d26e636a412262fef97c16fc4 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Co-Authored-By: Martin Thomson Commit: 19df21525bf3eff2834c5e119d496c258777f5a5 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/19df21525bf3eff2834c5e119d496c258777f5a5 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Addresses comments and some text rework Commit: 55f1ad92f03dfb96d7c07e6e8550faf4f6285399 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/55f1ad92f03dfb96d7c07e6e8550faf4f6285399 Author: Jana Iyengar Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- re-adding (with some rework) text that was dropped inadvertently Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/86992963effb...55f1ad92f03d From nobody Tue Sep 10 18:57:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F4A0120273 for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 10 19:03:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FFB0120088 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:03:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jgXV-KqJxKdb for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-14.smtp.github.com (out-14.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CB18B1200E0 for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:03:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:03:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568167424; bh=DD6DtHFbwIeiX04EJHAT+1m0DeGfKyyVXVY03zDKev0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=keT3u+WzyjITrGoD7q5OgnjEBCplINJOrz0nzx+P4tNegDxARqcPWmSbEUPWvwIag 23ObQdxgjGzz3uM6CEiGaTTTW5v5Ev43NtAx+E4JISjK9boW27jXQYIFmvr2tLB83R XyozslJASKwh3tvTxUaUdh0OqQ08t0vIOjcynN3s= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Move Generating Acknowledgements to Transport (#2916) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7856003987c_1de53f848eacd96853679"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:03:46 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7856003987c_1de53f848eacd96853679 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, I've addressed comments and rebased, PTAL. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Ok, I've addressed comments and rebased, PTAL.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1496,6 +1496,11 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
 
 Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-recovery-22
+
+- PTO should always send an ack-eliciting packet (#2895)
+- Unify the Handshake Timer with the PTO timer (#2648, #2658, #2886)
+

(if #2916 gets merged)

  • Move ACK generation text to transport draft (#2916)

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Yes, but as a design issue, we want to confirm that "no action" is the correct outcome. It's cheap enough to do so.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Wait to see if 2916 lands, otherwise, LGTM

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +- A maximum ACK delay of 0 is used for handshake packet number spaces (#2646,
+  #2638)
+- Improved rules for use of congestion control state on new paths (#2685, #2918)
+- PATH_RESPONSE frames are not sent again if lost (#2724, #2729)
+- Removed recommendation to coordinate spin for multiple connections that share
+  a path (#2763, #2882)
+- Allow smaller stateless resets and recommend a smaller minimum on packets
+  that might trigger a stateless reset (#2770, #2869, #2927)
+- Provide guidance around the interface to QUIC as used by application protocols
+  (#2805, #2857)
+- Frames other than STREAM can cause STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR (#2825, #2826)
+- Tighter rules about processing of rejected 0-RTT packets (#2829, #2840, #2841)
+- Explanation of the effect of Retry on 0-RTT packets (#2842, #2852)
+- Cryptographic handshake needs to provide server transport parameter encryption
+  (#2920, #2921)
+

If #2916 is merged,

  • Moved guidance around ACK generation from recovery draft to here (#2916).

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I don't think it's a huge requirement that QUIC must be sent over a medium that is checksummed.

I am not sure. I doubt if it would be practical to suggest the could users to ask their could service provider "are you currently using UDP checksums, and committed to using that in the future?" Also, UDP checksums are rewritten by NAT devices, so there is no way to tell for an endpoint if a UDP packet is (was) protected by the UDP checksum.

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Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on +receiving a second ack-eliciting packet. These are both good and useful statements, but they sort of stand awkwardly next to each other as if they are strangers. > An endpoint SHOULD immediately send an ACK frame when two ack-eliciting packets have been received without being acknowledged. Though the algorithms in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}} do not depend on receivers following this guidance, frequent feedback improves loss and congestion response. I tried to say something about the fact that this also provides some assurances about acknowledgement behaviour that senders could use when innovating with new algorithms, but it ended up being quite hard to do that without distracting too much from the core purpose of the section. Also, the SHOULD got in the way: there is no real assurance, there we have to rely on the fact that this is a good recommendation that most deployments will likely respect. > @@ -3020,9 +3059,34 @@ This ensures an acknowledgment is sent at least once per RTT when packets needing acknowledgement are received. The sender can use the receiver's `max_ack_delay` value in determining timeouts for timer-based retransmission. -Strategies and implications of the frequency of generating acknowledgments are -discussed in more detail in {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. +### Managing ACK Ranges + +When an ACK frame is sent, one or more ranges of acknowledged packets are +included. Including older packets reduces the chance of spurious retransmits +caused by losing previously sent ACK frames, at the cost of larger ACK frames. + +ACK frames SHOULD always acknowledge the most recently received packets, and the +more out-of-order the packets are, the more important it is to send an updated +ACK frame quickly, to prevent the peer from declaring a packet as lost and +spuriously retransmitting the frames it contains. + +Below is one recommended approach for determining what packets to include in an "Below" is a little imprecise. Is this the next section, or next several sections? ```suggestion {{ack-tracking}} and {{ack-limiting}} describe an exemplary approach for determining what packets to acknowledge in each ``` > +### Receiver Tracking of ACK Frames ```suggestion ### Receiver Tracking of ACK Frames {#ack-tracking} ``` > +### Receiver Tracking of ACK Frames + +When a packet containing an ACK frame is sent, the largest acknowledged in that +frame may be saved. When a packet containing an ACK frame is acknowledged, the +receiver can stop acknowledging packets less than or equal to the largest +acknowledged in the sent ACK frame. + +In cases without ACK frame loss, this algorithm allows for a minimum of 1 RTT +of reordering. In cases with ACK frame loss and reordering, this approach does +not guarantee that every acknowledgement is seen by the sender before it is no +longer included in the ACK frame. Packets could be received out of order and +all subsequent ACK frames containing them could be lost. In this case, the +loss recovery algorithm could cause spurious retransmits, but the sender will +continue making forward progress. ### Limiting ACK Ranges ```suggestion ### Limiting ACK Ranges {#ack-limiting} ``` > +### Measuring and Reporting Host Delay {#host-delay} + +An endpoint measures the delays intentionally introduced between when an +ACK-eliciting packet is received and the corresponding acknowledgment is sent. +The endpoint encodes this delay for the largest acknowledged packet in the Ack +Delay field of an ACK frame (see {{frame-ack}}). This allows the receiver of the +ACK to adjust for any intentional delays, which is important for getting a +better estimate of the path RTT when acknowledgments are delayed. A packet might +be held in the OS kernel or elsewhere on the host before being processed. An +endpoint MUST NOT include delays that is does not control when populating the +Ack Delay field in an ACK frame. + +An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting +packets. An endpoint commits to a maximum delay using the max_ack_delay +transport parameter; see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}. max_ack_delay +implies an explicit contract: an endpoint promises to never delay implies explicit is odd: ```suggestion declares an explicit contract: an endpoint promises to never delay ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2916#pullrequestreview-286527818 ----==_mimepart_5d785f047c9b4_4c5f3f7f0eacd95c1645be Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Presumably devices that rewrite addresses and checksums also check checksums on the way in... Right? :)

This seems like a fine design issue. It's a fairly big change, for Retry, and late, but not impossible. Version Negotiation is much, much more difficult to retrofit, so I think that we should concentrate on Retry here and open a VN issue if anyone feels strongly about that.

Using Initial packet protection isn't crazy. We'd be able to drop ODCID if we did that.

Saying that we don't care is also rational. The UDP checksum is imperfect (especially when it comes to catching bit flips), but we are talking about having maybe a few connections per day time out, globally. I didn't do the numbers on that, but my recollection is that the odds are that small.

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Thanks David. We'll probably want to raise this on the list, but I'd greatly appreciate a PR. It should be mostly deleting text, but some advice about how to handle multi-packet startups is probably wise, because it isn't a great situation to be dealing with.

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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

Not a comprehensive review. If I remember correctly, some other items were part of draft-22 as well.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5935,6 +5935,38 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
 
 Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-22
+
+- NEW_CONNECTION_ID includes a request to retire old connection IDs (#2645,

That was already part of draft-22.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5935,6 +5935,38 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
 
 Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-transport-22
+
+- NEW_CONNECTION_ID includes a request to retire old connection IDs (#2645,
+  #2769)
+- Rules for preventing correlation by connection ID tightened (#2084, #2929)
+- Clarified use of CONNECTION_CLOSE in Handshake packets (#2151, #2541, #2688)
+- Discourage regressions of largest acknowledged in ACK (#2205, #2752)
+- Improved robusness of validation process for ECN counts (#2534, #2752)
+- Introduce concept of handshake confirmation (#2267, #2673)

This as well.

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Totally agree that VN is a different issue and this should focus on Retry.

I also love the idea of getting rid of ODCID! That has always seems like an ugly wart to me and replacing it with initial packet protection seems much more elegant. (As well as solving the packet corruption issue)

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Thanks @marten-seemann, I mistyped the date when I searched and didn't check for duplicates on that set.

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Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on +receiving a second ack-eliciting packet. @ianswett, not planning to do anything about this? I'll merge it now if you think we should just leave this alone. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2916#discussion_r323372108 ----==_mimepart_5d7931de99a3e_4dfb3f841e4cd95c7587e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Sending ACK Frames
 
-An endpoint sends ACK frames to acknowledge packets it has received and
-processed.
+An ACK frame SHOULD be sent immediately upon receipt of a second ack-eliciting
+packet. Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on
+receiving a second ack-eliciting packet.

@ianswett, not planning to do anything about this? I'll merge it now if you think we should just leave this alone.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Sending ACK Frames
 
-An endpoint sends ACK frames to acknowledge packets it has received and
-processed.
+An ACK frame SHOULD be sent immediately upon receipt of a second ack-eliciting
+packet. Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on
+receiving a second ack-eliciting packet.

I want to do another larger pass over this text, but I'd like to keep it as is for now.

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Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp. +## Since draft-ietf-quic-recovery-22 + +- PTO should always send an ack-eliciting packet (#2895) +- Unify the Handshake Timer with the PTO timer (#2648, #2658, #2886) + SG, added in anticipating of #2916 being merged. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3018#discussion_r323399219 ----==_mimepart_5d794003c0d72_3ca63fa4004cd964569de Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1496,6 +1496,11 @@ Invoked from DetectLostPackets when packets are deemed lost.
 
 Issue and pull request numbers are listed with a leading octothorp.
 
+## Since draft-ietf-quic-recovery-22
+
+- PTO should always send an ack-eliciting packet (#2895)
+- Unify the Handshake Timer with the PTO timer (#2648, #2658, #2886)
+

SG, added in anticipating of #2916 being merged.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Sending ACK Frames
 
-An endpoint sends ACK frames to acknowledge packets it has received and
-processed.
+An ACK frame SHOULD be sent immediately upon receipt of a second ack-eliciting
+packet. Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on
+receiving a second ack-eliciting packet.

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Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on +receiving a second ack-eliciting packet. Ok, a few changes, look at the last commit. I've moved some text around and I think I've captured the spirit of this more clearly. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2916#pullrequestreview-287032284 ----==_mimepart_5d794ff684ca_7e973fbe12acd9647499 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@ianswett @martinthomson PTAL

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  ### Sending ACK Frames
 
-An endpoint sends ACK frames to acknowledge packets it has received and
-processed.
+An ACK frame SHOULD be sent immediately upon receipt of a second ack-eliciting
+packet. Loss detection does not assume that the peer sends an ACK immediately on
+receiving a second ack-eliciting packet.

Ok, a few changes, look at the last commit. I've moved some text around and I think I've captured the spirit of this more clearly.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are
-limits on how frequently they can be sent.  An endpoint MUST NOT send more than
-one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet
-(one containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING).  An endpoint MUST NOT
-send a packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ACK-eliciting
-packet (one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are
-packet gaps which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an
-infinite feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection
-from ever becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ACK-eliciting
-packets when it sends an ACK frame.
+A receiver's delayed acknowledgment timer SHOULD NOT exceed the current RTT
+estimate or the value it indicates in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter.
+This ensures an acknowledgment is sent at least once per RTT when packets
+needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
+`max_ack_delay` value in determining timeouts for timer-based retransmission.

Does this text SHOULD NOT exceed the current RTT estimate mean the peer could/should use a min of the max_ack_delay and the current RTT when computing probe timeouts?

PTO = smoothed_rtt + max(4*rttvar, kGranularity) + min(max_ack_delay, smoothed_rtt)

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  
-Packets containing only ACK frames are not congestion controlled, so there are
-limits on how frequently they can be sent.  An endpoint MUST NOT send more than
-one ACK-frame-only packet in response to receiving an ACK-eliciting packet
-(one containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING).  An endpoint MUST NOT
-send a packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ACK-eliciting
-packet (one containing only ACK and/or PADDING frames), even if there are
-packet gaps which precede the received packet. Limiting ACK frames avoids an
-infinite feedback loop of acknowledgements, which could prevent the connection
-from ever becoming idle. However, the endpoint acknowledges non-ACK-eliciting
-packets when it sends an ACK frame.
+A receiver's delayed acknowledgment timer SHOULD NOT exceed the current RTT
+estimate or the value it indicates in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter.
+This ensures an acknowledgment is sent at least once per RTT when packets
+needing acknowledgement are received.  The sender can use the receiver's
+`max_ack_delay` value in determining timeouts for timer-based retransmission.

Yes, probably. This text is pre-existing, and maybe with max_ack_delay the 1 ack per RTT recommendation should be removed, but that's not an editorial change.

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Thanks for the update Jana, LGTM.

I think we should open an issue for Nick's question. I wonder if we should remove the text about sending an ACK per RTT entirely? ie: what if the RTT is 1us?

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----==_mimepart_5d795760ddc62_27de3f94dd4cd9641385e8-- From nobody Wed Sep 11 13:55:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39873120812 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DAUU3N4X3uMX for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C6ACA1207FF for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-56fcc46.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E39FEA0855 for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:55:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:55:20 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport parameter registry is too constraining for innovation (#3020) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d795f38d42ac_4ed3fca47ecd96029254e"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2019 20:55:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d795f38d42ac_4ed3fca47ecd96029254e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As of [draft-22](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-22#section-22.1), transport parameter identifiers are 16bit integers, with a registry where - `[0x0000 - 0xfeff]` uses the [RFC8128 Specification Required policy](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8126#section-4.6) - `[0xff00 - 0xffff]` is reserved for experimentation While keeping Specification Required makes sense for a good chunk of the registry space, I think there will be many experiments that are conducted before a full specification is written (some already exist today and I expect there to be many many more once the protocol is standardized). However, those experiments only have 256 values to play with, and that is bound to cause collisions and headaches down the road. I think the simplest solution to this problem is to use variable length integers for transport parameter identifiers. The TLS presentation language doesn't support them but since we already use VLIs for the values of several transport parameters we're no longer bound by the TLS presentation language. I think there was also support for doing this when it was discussed on #1608, but that issue was closed when the *values* were changed to VLI with #1947, without changing the identifiers. I'm happy to write the PR if this issue gathers support. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3020 ----==_mimepart_5d795f38d42ac_4ed3fca47ecd96029254e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As of draft-22, transport parameter iden= tifiers are 16bit integers, with a registry where

While keeping Specification Required makes sense for a good chunk of t= he registry space, I think there will be many experiments that are conduc= ted before a full specification is written (some already exist today and = I expect there to be many many more once the protocol is standardized).

However, those experiments only have 256 values to play with, and that= is bound to cause collisions and headaches down the road.

I think the simplest solution to this problem is to use variable lengt= h integers for transport parameter identifiers. The TLS presentation lang= uage doesn't support them but since we already use VLIs for the values of= several transport parameters we're no longer bound by the TLS presentati= on language. I think there was also support for doing this when it was di= scussed on #1608, but that issue was closed when the value= s were changed to VLI with #1947, without changing the= identifiers.

I'm happy to write the PR if this issue gathers support.

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@ianswett : I think the ACK per RTT is sensible.... if the RTT is 1us, you still need to send an ACK in that timeframe if the sender is to send more packets. But yes, let's discuss that in a separate issue.

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There's a lot of text here, and a lot is duplicative. Commit: cfab7ed02da1122be8ff076ea86b6c894e806477 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cfab7ed02da1122be8ff076ea86b6c894e806477 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove the "Crypto Handshake Data" section It was not adding anything and was misleading Commit: 4ac701ed78400ab797ec6d128863478a984501d7 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4ac701ed78400ab797ec6d128863478a984501d7 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Stop referencing QUIC Transport in QUIC Transport. Commit: 862bcd3f64a31af9cba383b1d5487b2bc6071fc2 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/862bcd3f64a31af9cba383b1d5487b2bc6071fc2 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Remove obsolete text Removed: "Endpoints SHOULD send acknowledgments for packets containing CRYPTO frames with a reduced delay; see Section 6.2 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}." Obsolete now that #2646 landed and the default max_ack_delay for Initial and Handshake is 0. Commit: f364aab2cc25702d06509d3c83acdff00d8f0045 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f364aab2cc25702d06509d3c83acdff00d8f0045 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Stop referencing host-delay in Recovery Instead reference section 13.2 of transport Commit: 50f2a55bdf2e90740eb042e56978aa3c378aa8f3 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/50f2a55bdf2e90740eb042e56978aa3c378aa8f3 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Fix CircleCI (hopefully) By renaming "ACK Ranges" to "Managing ACK Ranges" Commit: eed60b25cea7f4b9a0391256ed4dfd4a5cf38565 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/eed60b25cea7f4b9a0391256ed4dfd4a5cf38565 Author: ianswett Date: 2019-09-10 (Tue, 10 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Log Message: ----------- Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md Commit: 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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +- A maximum ACK delay of 0 is used for handshake packet number spaces (#2646,
+  #2638)
+- Improved rules for use of congestion control state on new paths (#2685, #2918)
+- PATH_RESPONSE frames are not sent again if lost (#2724, #2729)
+- Removed recommendation to coordinate spin for multiple connections that share
+  a path (#2763, #2882)
+- Allow smaller stateless resets and recommend a smaller minimum on packets
+  that might trigger a stateless reset (#2770, #2869, #2927)
+- Provide guidance around the interface to QUIC as used by application protocols
+  (#2805, #2857)
+- Frames other than STREAM can cause STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR (#2825, #2826)
+- Tighter rules about processing of rejected 0-RTT packets (#2829, #2840, #2841)
+- Explanation of the effect of Retry on 0-RTT packets (#2842, #2852)
+- Cryptographic handshake needs to provide server transport parameter encryption
+  (#2920, #2921)
+

#2916 is now merged.

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You aren't the first to suggest this one. Let's make sure we at least discuss this directly. We did discuss this in the context of the issues that you cite and decided not to, but that was never the central question.

From our perspective, this isn't a significant change to code.

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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > From our perspective, this isn't a significant change to code. The same for us, too. Am I understanding correctly that the concern here is that extensions of TLS structures tend to use uint16_t as their type identifiers, and that the reusable parser might be constrained to that design pattern? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3020#issuecomment-530629679 ----==_mimepart_5d79a269ddd74_31013fe8248cd95c183328 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

From our perspective, this isn't a significant change to code.

The same for us, too.

Am I understanding correctly that the concern here is that extensions of TLS structures tend to use uint16_t as their type identifiers, and that the reusable parser might be constrained to that design pattern?

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I thought that this might be the case originally, but it turns out that the blob for transport parameters is generated by QUIC code in mostly all of the cases I have seen. If there is someone out there who is relying on passing a TLS stack a structured grammar and letting the TLS stack perform serialization, then we might want to just leave this alone.

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Thank you for the clarification.

We do use the TLS stack to encode / decode the transport parameters, therefore we do want see the TLS grammar-based design being preserved. The reason we do not mind the extension type being a varint is because our codec is flexible enough to handle that.
https://github.com/h2o/quicly/blob/master/lib/quicly.c#L1353-L1437

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  • fix length of Initial payload for the client
  • fix protected Initial header for the server

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Thats brialliant idialistic for futured company soon.......

Yeah, it's incredible how much money they will make by skipping packet numbers. If I had just known about this before...

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Er20 looked it.....after making youre reporting blog/hub.com....../ goodnight still working tomrrow @ dawn..ethe requesting passward to proving transaction /wasnt

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Like what i said for the biggest even i deploying personally for zcash foundation/community.
Need to paying laptop thats reason personally employed @Company..no support
No earning no dollar/comments 40%...thats TRUE 100%

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I'm sorry, you'll have to provide a little more context here. What is this, and why do we want it?

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Closed #3024.

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This does not appear to be an issue. See https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/blob/master/CONTRIBUTING.md

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Closed #3025.

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----==_mimepart_5d7b0af261852_74543fe8b72cd9601077f3-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 20:20:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7225412003F for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:20:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZPLUEj5dEhAI for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 20:20:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4392B12000F for ; 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Yeah, the chairs have this on their list (the issue is marked). Patience.

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In the context of deciding what code to use for badly formatted frames:

I'd use a FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR error here. However, for other invalid frame errors we use PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. Not sure if that's something we want to address at some point.

Originally posted by @marten-seemann in #2977

I tend to agree with this. Let's go through and try to apply some sort of consistency. Maybe even try to be principled about it.

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----==_mimepart_5d7b193d1697c_798b3fe8d22cd968128013-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 21:22:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0F21200E0 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J5nFhc_9EolF for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 622E2120088 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 896EB6611BF for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:15 -0700 From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] fd79b8: Allow connections to share a port by adding restri... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 04:22:18 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: fd79b81d1b2040440e09e2c49c7f8b8842224c60 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fd79b81d1b2040440e09e2c49c7f8b8842224c60 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-06-26 (Wed, 26 Jun 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Allow connections to share a port by adding restrictions on zero-length connection IDs Commit: 93185582222626bad7f217199d35de05f81ced11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/93185582222626bad7f217199d35de05f81ced11 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-07-09 (Tue, 09 Jul 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Comments from MT Commit: 9616f24592d5d23bb927661917238d9de7f4df42 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9616f24592d5d23bb927661917238d9de7f4df42 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-07-23 (Tue, 23 Jul 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Change MUST to SHOULD Commit: f659c0d3731fd6d9b332011455857cf342e49b3d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f659c0d3731fd6d9b332011455857cf342e49b3d Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-07-23 (Tue, 23 Jul 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Add clarification on consequences of violating SHOULD Commit: 435f24c67f3d7977316049bb40206c30b9253d11 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/435f24c67f3d7977316049bb40206c30b9253d11 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-08-13 (Tue, 13 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Don't overenthusiastically hyphenate Co-Authored-By: Mike Bishop Commit: 95d1f8a66b7e9819b57f3b8241ba5cc43f55b102 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/95d1f8a66b7e9819b57f3b8241ba5cc43f55b102 Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-08-15 (Thu, 15 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Reduce redunancy Commit: 5e388ac7dc9726e2ec60303eafd63d97f682255d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e388ac7dc9726e2ec60303eafd63d97f682255d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-16 (Fri, 16 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-http.md M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md M initial-protection.js Log Message: ----------- Merge branch 'master' into zerocid Commit: 5f8281ab7c55a74e2bc0fdf9f2d1fdd4d9fbda1a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5f8281ab7c55a74e2bc0fdf9f2d1fdd4d9fbda1a Author: David Schinazi Date: 2019-08-16 (Fri, 16 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Specify peer connection migration Co-Authored-By: ianswett Commit: 5e7897e632412e99160678e68be658a153dc8bfc https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5e7897e632412e99160678e68be658a153dc8bfc Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-19 (Mon, 19 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- rewrap Commit: fba5600db47642451983c52f91ca0d91139a686a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fba5600db47642451983c52f91ca0d91139a686a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-13 (Fri, 13 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2851 from DavidSchinazi/zerocid Allow connections to share a port by adding restrictions on zero-length connection IDs Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e2a5d7cebd97...fba5600db476 From nobody Thu Sep 12 21:22:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DDEF1200E0 for ; 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----==_mimepart_5d7b1993447d9_22973fb9ea6cd96c49794-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 21:23:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA5E71200E6 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cqySO8BCyOmy for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD6CF120088 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:22:44 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568348564; bh=5y+d/3ONohzaa5G6iuDDpu7Li10/WuuJuLfpXfJE2Qc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=QSnV6HhX1n27ftFxAMX0PNn+Iw4O00cDN+yevJ4xdWXZstieo4w+Od8907REXG7Qn PUZSRs2aKpxDJHXBaVLIYS/FOz/O1O3q3+3NQLXVdNRmQdc48rvMX/k7INH8UEGNCz Np5rFH6HESfymW/CJyutWaZX1D21ptv3PSI/65K8= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] d365a6: Prevent linkability from responding to migration Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 04:22:47 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: d365a605731be5a2fce35bb8f545d51f96d241cd https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d365a605731be5a2fce35bb8f545d51f96d241cd Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-15 (Thu, 15 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Prevent linkability from responding to migration This closes the rather serious hole we left when we attempted to limit the effect of perpetual changing of connection IDs. This uses a narrower formulation, that I believe will avoid perpetual changes. But it does require reciprocal connection ID changes where endpoints genuinely do migrate. It's a design change unfortunately, but I hope non-controversial. Closes #2778. Commit: b7e3fecba2e8c2f72f7376a648db487dc6aec9bb https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7e3fecba2e8c2f72f7376a648db487dc6aec9bb Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-16 (Fri, 16 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Use address change and previously unused CID Rather than focus on migration, use address change, which is far more direct and easier to test. Also, rather than require that the connection ID be previously unused in a global sense, scope it to those that are active. Commit: ac1c0083c50c831ad32b7a16ca4b0386b94ee055 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ac1c0083c50c831ad32b7a16ca4b0386b94ee055 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-16 (Fri, 16 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Define active connection ID Commit: 96e46271ed3f1649e3c300b920b3d20b22c45a1d https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/96e46271ed3f1649e3c300b920b3d20b22c45a1d Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-16 (Fri, 16 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Missed a 'migration' Commit: b678aa88082cb7092694100097d2d20ce190da5a https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b678aa88082cb7092694100097d2d20ce190da5a Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-19 (Mon, 19 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- or probing Commit: 6a33e80754da87bd22364a3e8c82dc691e39e149 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6a33e80754da87bd22364a3e8c82dc691e39e149 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-19 (Mon, 19 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Recommend including NEW_CONNECTION_ID when migrating Commit: f1e5f6909e2cdcb8c1c7017cd82b93832c48f8f4 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f1e5f6909e2cdcb8c1c7017cd82b93832c48f8f4 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-08-20 (Tue, 20 Aug 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- @erickinnear's editorial tweaks Commit: 0ac214eaec0b16513df1d77ee8b1c140e7c0c869 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0ac214eaec0b16513df1d77ee8b1c140e7c0c869 Author: Martin Thomson Date: 2019-09-13 (Fri, 13 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md Log Message: ----------- Merge pull request #2969 from quicwg/respond-migration-cid Prevent linkability from responding to migration Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/fba5600db476...0ac214eaec0b From nobody Thu Sep 12 21:23:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD679120088 for ; 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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Sep 12 21:28:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 317651200E0 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:28:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uRX8qQDQ_6ch for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3227D120088 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-943b171.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.59]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 843F61C0A87 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 21:28:29 -0700 From: Christian Huitema Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Requiring per application data in session ticket seems wrong (#3028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7b1aed75f8f_661e3fb265acd968783af"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: huitema X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 04:28:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7b1aed75f8f_661e3fb265acd968783af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In the new section 5.4. of the transport draft, "Required Operations on Connections", we see a requirement that _When implementing the server role, applications need to be able to:_ o ... o _if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that information._ I read the corresponding text in the HTTP draft, and I understand that the idea is to remember the HTTP Settings when resuming an HTTP connection. That's fine, but it seems to assume that tickets are tied to a specific ALPN. Otherwise, if a server supports several applications over the same port, then the clients need to keep track of the ALPN used when the ticket was received. There is no such requirement in TLS 1.3 proper. In Section 4.6.1. of RFC 8446, "New Session Ticket Message", we can read that _Clients MUST only resume if the new SNI value is valid for the server certificate presented in the original session and SHOULD only resume if the SNI value matches the one used in the original session._ Notice that there is no mention of the ALPN. We can thus expect the ticket store to be indexed by SNI, plus also some consideration about certificate explained later in the text. There are of course lots of reason for a server to support multiple ALPN over a single port. For example, the server might support H3 and H3.1. Or it might want to provide access over port 443 for DNS over QUIC, IMAP over QUIC or other such applications. With TLS 1.3, they can do that, demux on the ALPN, and 0-RTT will work fine. But if we make the session tickets application specific, that won't work. Which is why I think the idea of putting HTTP settings in the session ticket is ill conceived. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3028 ----==_mimepart_5d7b1aed75f8f_661e3fb265acd968783af Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the new section 5.4. of the transport draft, "Required Operations on Connections", we see a requirement that When implementing the server role, applications need to be able to:

o ...

o if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from the client's resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data based on that information.

I read the corresponding text in the HTTP draft, and I understand that the idea is to remember the HTTP Settings when resuming an HTTP connection. That's fine, but it seems to assume that tickets are tied to a specific ALPN. Otherwise, if a server supports several applications over the same port, then the clients need to keep track of the ALPN used when the ticket was received.

There is no such requirement in TLS 1.3 proper. In Section 4.6.1. of RFC 8446, "New Session Ticket Message", we can read that Clients MUST only resume if the new SNI value is valid for the server certificate presented in the original session and SHOULD only resume if the SNI value matches the one used in the original session. Notice that there is no mention of the ALPN. We can thus expect the ticket store to be indexed by SNI, plus also some consideration about certificate explained later in the text.

There are of course lots of reason for a server to support multiple ALPN over a single port. For example, the server might support H3 and H3.1. Or it might want to provide access over port 443 for DNS over QUIC, IMAP over QUIC or other such applications. With TLS 1.3, they can do that, demux on the ALPN, and 0-RTT will work fine. But if we make the session tickets application specific, that won't work.

Which is why I think the idea of putting HTTP settings in the session ticket is ill conceived.

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----==_mimepart_5d7b1aed75f8f_661e3fb265acd968783af-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 22:05:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34C2D120059 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:05:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvck5PWGL7n3 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4A2E9120019 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:05:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-a6a2749.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.62]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 297278C0600 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:05:39 -0700 From: Marten Seemann Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Codes for frame encoding errors (#3027) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7b23a31a234_37053fea4d8cd9688811b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: marten-seemann X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:05:42 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7b23a31a234_37053fea4d8cd9688811b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How does this principle sound: If you can detect an error while parsing the frame, and without consulting any connection state, it should be a FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR. For everything that happens after frame parsing, we use the more concrete error types (or PROTOCOL_VIOLATION). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3027#issuecomment-531099377 ----==_mimepart_5d7b23a31a234_37053fea4d8cd9688811b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

How does this principle sound: If you can detect an error while parsing the frame, and without consulting any connection state, it should be a FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR. For everything that happens after frame parsing, we use the more concrete error types (or PROTOCOL_VIOLATION).

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I opened a related issue -- #3028. The conversation above focuses on the server, but what about ticket handling by the client? Current ticket stores are per SNI. Should they become per-SNI + per-ALPN?

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----==_mimepart_5d7b252815597_10af3fd0360cd960312f3-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 22:19:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C89A412002E for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:19:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FgSnNiNjtElP for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C999120033 for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9CDC6068D for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:19:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 22:19:04 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Requiring per application data in session ticket seems wrong (#3028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7b26c8dc39c_3e763f909a6cd9681410b2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 05:19:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7b26c8dc39c_3e763f909a6cd9681410b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIUC, while it is possible to use a session ticket when the SNI is the same, you can only use early data when ALPN also matches. Quoting from RFC 8446 section 4.2.10: ``` In order to accept early data, the server MUST have accepted a PSK cipher suite and selected the first key offered in the client's "pre_shared_key" extension. In addition, it MUST verify that the following values are the same as those associated with the selected PSK: - The TLS version number - The selected cipher suite - The selected ALPN [RFC7301] protocol, if any ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3028#issuecomment-531101603 ----==_mimepart_5d7b26c8dc39c_3e763f909a6cd9681410b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

IIUC, while it is possible to use a session ticket when the SNI is the same, you can only use early data when ALPN also matches. Quoting from RFC 8446 section 4.2.10:

   In order to accept early data, the server MUST have accepted a PSK
   cipher suite and selected the first key offered in the client's
   "pre_shared_key" extension.  In addition, it MUST verify that the
   following values are the same as those associated with the
   selected PSK:

   -  The TLS version number
   -  The selected cipher suite
   -  The selected ALPN [RFC7301] protocol, if any

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+1. To rephrase, as the name suggests, FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR indicates a syntactic (i.e., encoding) error. But nothing else.

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I think that we can address this by saying that clients need to remember this state alongside any ticket. (And we should make it clear that the server needs to remember this also. It doesn't have to put things in the ticket, though that might make it easier for it to correctly remember.)

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I believe a comment is needed in 5.4 to at least remind the reader that other ALPN's might receive the ticket and would not be able to make use of the settings data which therefore need coordination across token consumers.

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Should they become per-SNI + per-ALPN?

Does it even make sense to assume ALPN is always present in multiplexing protocols? An endpoint could have multiple active protocols on the same connection even if that is not supported by any protocol we currently know of.

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ALPN is required by QUIC.

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This is borderline off topic - but if ALPN is visible and firewalls use this to block traffic, endpoints might want to hide the ALPN. I suppose there is some ongoing work on ALPN encryption?

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@mikkelfj As I stated in #3028 (comment), i= t is my understanding that early-data can be used only when the ALPN matc= hes, and therefore a QUIC stack is required to consult the application-sp= ecific data in the ticket only when the ALPN matches. Therefore I do not = see any need for cross-application-protocol coordination. Am I missing so= mething?

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@kazuho Assuming things work as you say and a client receives a token from ALPN-X, and assuming the client does not remember tokens per ALPN, then you can have another ALPN named ALPN-Y in another session receiving the token generated for ALPN-X. If the ALPN-Y endpoint does not understand how to at least ignore ALPN-X data in the token, you can get undefined behaviour.

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If the ALPN-Y endpoint does not understand how to at least ignore ALPN-X data in the token, you can get undefined behaviour.

I do not think so. In the case you describe, the TLS stack will not indicate to the QUIC stack that 0-RTT is acceptable because the ALPN is different. Therefore, the QUIC stack handling ALPN-Y would not use the application-protocol-specific data in the session ticket (as it is expected to be used only when early data is acceptable - that's what section 5.4 of the transport draft says). Hence no confusion.

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OK - I don't know enough about how TLS validates tokens - but if it does embed the ALPN in token validation, then the coordination I am asking for is already happening.

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So this means that 0-RTT does not work across protocols? This is unfortunate because if a client connects for HTTP and then connects for WebRTC data, it cannot use 0-RTT for WebRTC.

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So this means that 0-RTT does not work across protocols?

Correct. That is the restriction of TLS 1.3.

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----==_mimepart_5d7b39fc617cc_61bd3f87a4ecd9649877-- From nobody Thu Sep 12 23:45:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A7F1200BA for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 23:45:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snGPx7uQym1h for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 23:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2CA5B12004D for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 23:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d93c4b6.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.47]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A17DA002A for ; Thu, 12 Sep 2019 23:45:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 23:45:37 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Requiring per application data in session ticket seems wrong (#3028) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7b3b117b526_3a373ff7926cd968155375"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:45:40 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7b3b117b526_3a373ff7926cd968155375 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So spec-wise, I think we might want to change:=0D =0D "if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from th= e client=E2=80=99s resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data base= d on that information."=0D =0D to =0D =0D "if Early Data is supported, and when the TLS protocol stack indicates th= at Early Data can be accepted, retrieve application-controlled data from = the client=E2=80=99s resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data ba= sed on that information."=0D =0D as well as suggesting that the application protocol-specific information = is to be associated rather than stored, as pointed out by @martinthomson = in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3028#issuecomment-5311069= 15.=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3028#issuecomment-531119532= ----==_mimepart_5d7b3b117b526_3a373ff7926cd968155375 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So spec-wise, I think we might want to change:

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"if Early Data is supported, retrieve application-controlled data from= the client=E2=80=99s resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data b= ased on that information."

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to

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"if Early Data is supported, and when the TLS protocol stack indicates= that Early Data can be accepted, retrieve application-controlled data fr= om the client=E2=80=99s resumption ticket and enable rejecting Early Data= based on that information."

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as well as suggesting that the application protocol-specific informati= on is to be associated rather than stored, as pointed out by @m= artinthomson in #3028 (comment).

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If Client must ignore the value(including Fixed Bit), why server should set Fixed Bit?

Because this might allow us - in future - to depend on that behaviour. We might assign semantics to a non-zero value. A client that doesn't understand that bit will continue to consume the packet and ignore the semantic difference. If servers set the value any way they please, then we can't. (It's a SHOULD, so we won't be able to rely on it exclusively, but we might still be able to do something with it. That said, I consider it a write-off, but this is a general protocol design hygiene matter.)

My proposal for this issue is to do nothing. This is a little complex, but I don't think that the required behaviour is unclear in any way.

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----==_mimepart_5d7b48e226697_4dcb3fd7232cd960155096-- From nobody Fri Sep 13 06:38:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8EE12004F for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:38:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hd8aUk40MjEa for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A5BF120047 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FD96A0767 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:37:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 06:37:57 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Codes for frame encoding errors (#3027) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7b9bb5db2_ea03fcbfc6cd95c3406d4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 13:38:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7b9bb5db2_ea03fcbfc6cd95c3406d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to see a PR, but that seems like a good principle. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3027#issuecomment-531240209 ----==_mimepart_5d7b9bb5db2_ea03fcbfc6cd95c3406d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd like to see a PR, but that seems like a good principle.

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At the top of page 66 of the transport draft, we read:

   Every QUIC packet that is coalesced into a single UDP datagram is
   separate and complete.  Though the values of some fields in the
   packet header might be redundant, no fields are omitted.  The
   receiver of coalesced QUIC packets MUST individually process each
   QUIC packet and separately acknowledge them, as if they were received
   as the payload of different UDP datagrams.  For example, if
   decryption fails (because the keys are not available or any other
   reason), the receiver MAY either discard or buffer the packet for
   later processing and MUST attempt to process the remaining packets.

The second sentence seems to imply that a field could be omitted.

Does this sentence sound odd to anyone else?

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While it is perhaps technically redundant, I think it is actually quite helpful. The first sentence says, "complete" but that might be open to interpretation. The second sentence makes it clear what that means. I like it.

YMMV :)

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My issue is not with the redundancy of the second senteance, but rather with its meaning. The specification that "no fields be omitted" implies that fields could be omitted -- but they can't be: There are no optional fields in packet headers.

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Maybe change the second sentence to something like:

Though the values of some fields in the header might be redundant, it is
not possible to omit any fields.

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@RyanAtGoogle writes:

The first sentence says, "complete" but that might be open to interpretation. The second sentence makes it clear what that means. I like it.

The third sentence clarifies the first sentence well, too.

I would just drop the second sentence altogether.

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----==_mimepart_5d7bad35a3c13_177f3f9ae18cd96013329f-- From nobody Fri Sep 13 08:19:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED617120864 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:19:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C5HX2DGJGoMt for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 56F721200F9 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:19:47 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 08:19:46 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568387986; bh=N9j8ybCzH8ZNybMw5L52xysJgNu0BcHKfmjcZhupqLg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2BdCjCYxy9IlZGSO7Xs+7nquQCcybZb8zkSdwulnOD6VhcxwBN5PA0HZxVErUSQtF 1XLwkuDaggtMgxu0cmPA1tlKlrg9ex8v5DEd1MgIRwZa9b8SrP1bZldnS+a/nn4FFv p/NMAX5nnnEYIoJfcD1gNwghJXgu87nOhy5u7EBA= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Skip a packet number when sending one PTO packet (#2952) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7bb39269d50_77453fb8050cd9686507d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 15:19:49 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7bb39269d50_77453fb8050cd9686507d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm going to run an experiment comparing 1 PTO packet, 2 PTO packets, and 1 with skipping a packet number and report back the results. If the results are good enough with 1PTO + gap, we can consider whether this is an optimization worth mentioning. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2952#issuecomment-531279851 ----==_mimepart_5d7bb39269d50_77453fb8050cd9686507d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm going to run an experiment comparing 1 PTO packet, 2 PTO packets, and 1 with skipping a packet number and report back the results. If the results are good enough with 1PTO + gap, we can consider whether this is an optimization worth mentioning.

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Can also test this both sides at the same time? I'm still concerned this might run away in ACK floods.

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The spec gives no reason (that I can see) as to why an ACK frame must be sent at least once per round trip (assuming there are ack-eliciting packets to acknowledge), effectively overwriting the ACK delay logic when the RTT is very small. If the RTT is smaller than the platform's timer granularity, this isn't really even possible.

I propose to remove this requirement. If the WG instead feels that we should keep this requirement, then there should be a reasoning for it; and probably an update to the PTO calculation as well.

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As I commented on the PR that this came up in, given we have an explicit max_ack_delay that's now communicated, removing the 1 ACK per RTT requirement seems wide.

TCP has no such recommendation and I'm unaware of any indications or proposals that it should have such a property.

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I am not too worried about the server side. Servers that support multiple applications can put adequate information in the token, such as for example a server release number that points to the initial condition for multiple protocols. But I am concerned about clearly spelling out the client-side requirements, and I would rather see two parallel requirements: remember the initial conditions per ALPN+SNI, and remember the ticket per SNI.

Note that we want fast rotation of tickets for privacy reasons -- use tickets at most once if possible. That works better if we don't add rigidity, such as "only reuse tickets per SNI+ALPN".

I think that resuming across multiple ALPN is a valid scenario. Kazuho points out that it may not be well supported in TLS 1.3, but we don't want to further ossify the lack of support.

Of course, none of that matters if we run all application protocols over HTTP.

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----==_mimepart_5d7bd6376e3bd_7a083fca3c2cd96884013-- From nobody Fri Sep 13 11:25:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6034120110 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:25:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nK27NJQfOOnG for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from o6.sgmail.github.com (o6.sgmail.github.com [192.254.113.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07503120105 for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; h=from:reply-to:to:cc:in-reply-to:references:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:list-id:list-archive:list-post:list-unsubscribe; s=s20150108; bh=SXh6z0JjNVam1soaqIbzPz/U/oM=; b=ehgJRoW4o/U3JU+M BfgFyt50qx8evS07u30/cJ1TF53pco8lLTTYQM1iwSs5919A3lLHGGgkU2WiZEVf CNILksz6Wi2HDS0LxLDU5WbzfJfJWFgBkgMtEyexm9kd18pEQdpYab2WGFKrZBiM mqRrPVifqCoZaag/A3sVR1dx45g= Received: by filter1579p1mdw1.sendgrid.net with SMTP id filter1579p1mdw1-423-5D7BDF0F-12 2019-09-13 18:25:19.212461088 +0000 UTC m=+68177.050105599 Received: from github-lowworker-19d82f6.ac4-iad.github.net (unknown [140.82.115.2]) by ismtpd0029p1iad2.sendgrid.net (SG) with ESMTP id lGyQmhUJS-CCPxeopVGzTw for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:25:19.182 +0000 (UTC) Received: from github.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by github-lowworker-19d82f6.ac4-iad.github.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C29D4E80E2E for ; Fri, 13 Sep 2019 11:25:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:25:19 +0000 (UTC) From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport parameter registry is too constraining for innovation (#3020) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7bdf0f1aebf_7f4c3f81b46cd96c113846"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-SG-EID: l64QuQ2uJCcEyUykJbxN122A6QRmEpucztpreh3Pak3Mqpil5pbPbLJVabxB+b8n2f7Qo3Cje8vsix YgBr0+lSd/yFewR0yRFTtzyoV/WwmB4i46uKk/1mvpR3uUaZtzck86Qe9967cOPTXeqGTS7Mmd7aXe 8R7VIsh/jjhRdIoK1F/yQbhn8hQceOPj6+IKFl9vmTyZ1H3rlsTf2QkTpQ== Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 18:25:22 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7bdf0f1aebf_7f4c3f81b46cd96c113846 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We should definitely do something to increase the number of experimentation codepoints from 256. Changing to a varint sounds good. If not, then we should allocate more of the space(ie: [0xf000 - 0xffff]) to experiments. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3020#issuecomment-531342518 ----==_mimepart_5d7bdf0f1aebf_7f4c3f81b46cd96c113846 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We should definitely do something to increase the number of experimentation codepoints from 256. Changing to a varint sounds good. If not, then we should allocate more of the space(ie: [0xf000 - 0xffff]) to experiments.

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This paper studies several "nonce hiding" transformations, of which the QUIC
header protection algorithm is one. This change replaces the old analysis
text with something a bit more crisp.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3031

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  • Reference "Nonces are Noticed" in the header protection analysis section.

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What are the implications of some stateless resets being detectable? The new language explicitly allows a situation where a host chooses not to pad out all its packets to include the length of its own connection ID. In this situation, a small packet could trigger a stateless reset from the peer that is too small to be anything other than a stateless reset.

I don't believe this will happen "all the time", as in general Server CIDL > Client CIDL and in general servers are the ones sending resets. Those are somewhat weak assumptions for reasons we can bracket for now, but I feel confident that the detectable reset will happen in the internet, at least occasionally. What is the threat model we feared when we put in the original rules to block reset detection, and do the concerns apply here?

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My understanding is that we want stateless resets to be hard to detect to avoid someone implementing a NAT that detects stateless resets and upon seeing them removes the NAT port mapping. As long as stateless resets are almost-always undetectable, we've removed the incentive for anyone to write that bad NAT code.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the

AE2 security is not an easily digestible term on its own. What is the objective, where is it defined?

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----==_mimepart_5d7c7e6623480_71f53fa1336cd96492952-- From nobody Sat Sep 14 06:21:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DFC12080C for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:21:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hDtDNDVZcIfU for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 200FA12022D for ; Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 06:21:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568467271; bh=i+SBWnxSVpCfrnwzItVBy9SWVaH//3j1naOvpMvDuss=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Z66fx5a8o32n0EabfVofblN0Um7idkqQrDea4uf+JwnSm/7W9zBl8Cp4CCdkIhCta a/ERr4/rvkGvZSU/wcAci67xl+jsvdZZKFgKFI/iIRhWsf/+CfFO9FbeYaP+V+0cmA QmY93jco1w+B+2l9oxoU57a0Kb7KK96ZLUl3TLL4= From: Christopher Wood Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reference "Nonces are Noticed" in the header protection analysis section (#3031) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7ce947a84b_341b3feb5e8cd960387a4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: chris-wood X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:21:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7ce947a84b_341b3feb5e8cd960387a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable chris-wood commented on this pull request.=0D =0D =0D =0D > =0D ~~~=0D protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D ~~~=0D =0D -This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {= {IMC}}.=0D +Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru= ction=0D +(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,= the=0D =0D It=E2=80=99s defined in the referenced paper. I thought it best to simply= point readers in that direction if they want the details, rather try and= pull it out here. (We didn=E2=80=99t previously define IND-CPA security,= for example.)=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3031#discussion_r324424299= ----==_mimepart_5d7ce947a84b_341b3feb5e8cd960387a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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As per @tatsuhiro-t, since PING frames are not allowed in
Initial/Handshake packets, one can use an empty CRYPTO frame when
sending a probe when there is no other ack-eliciting frame to send.

It seems to me like this is something that is fairly easy to miss, so
worth expanding the existing suggestion I think.

The alternative would be to allow PING frames in Initial/Handshake, but
I figured we are maybe too late in the process for that kind of design
change.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3033

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  • Suggest sending empty CRYPTO frames in Initial/Handshake packets

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I'd prefer to just allow PING in all packet types. Sending empty CRYPTO frames seems kind of hacky to me.

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If don't know the reasoning why PING has been prohibited in Initial or Handshake, but if there is no hard rule to exclude it from handshake packets, I think that just allowing PING in Initial/Handshake is simpler.
I just chose empty CRYPTO so that it works with draft-23 compliant implementations; literally there is no ACK eliciting frame other than that.

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I brought this up a long time ago in #2307. Apparently, this issue was closed by #2355. I'm wondering why.

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----==_mimepart_5d7deaa711bc_564e3fae356cd964319b9-- From nobody Sun Sep 15 04:06:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ED7120026 for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YSC4c2leUXrU for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-11.smtp.github.com (out-11.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E900312000F for ; Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 04:06:41 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568545601; bh=nKX8cWeYCjiNevCYBEEa/BAiGr8kCgl6Tx92pKF1Pj4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=RE2zQ+f91TkBp7aYn3LQrE617Q89uo4itLQ0Nqm0iOizZXOd6UWKsDHvtfS9uG70f ICQsRi+w1TpKmlEAQaaF9TV4nO+oaFOMdB4hgNj01jD3Nnphd2phbbSkLEjhansCMG yKwKPXezQemsDb0zPFLSLyFrJo/XbQgXD65sseX8= From: Alessandro Ghedini Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow PING in Initial/Handshake? (#3034) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7e1b4112e26_16763ff189ecd9601172093"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ghedo X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Sep 2019 11:06:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7e1b4112e26_16763ff189ecd9601172093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So, currently PING frames can only be sent in 0/1-RTT as per the TLS mapping draft https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#rfc.section.4 AFAICT the issue of allowing PING frames in Initial/Handshake packets was discussed in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2640 which was in turn fixed by https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2642 by saying to only send PADDING frames in probe packets. But then https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/2912 came along which changed the same text by saying that probes need to be ACK-eliciting. Notably it says: > To allow the client to improve its RTT estimate, the new packet that it sends MUST be ack-eliciting. If Handshake keys are available to the client, it MUST send a Handshake packet, and otherwise it MUST send an Initial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes. In the case where no other frame needs to be sent, but 1-RTT keys are not available, an implementation can send an empty CRYPTO frame to achieve the above as suggested by @tatsuhiro-t, so I proposed an editorial change in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3033 to expand the suggestion in -recovery to mention that, since I think it's something that would be easy to miss (and indeed, I don't think my implementation is the only one that got this wrong). However some people seem to prefer allowing PING frames in Initial/Handshake in the first place (which is a design change), so maybe we should discuss this more. That anyone knows, is there any reason why PING frames are not allowed in Initial/Handshake? (I'll make a PR shortly to help discussion) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3034 ----==_mimepart_5d7e1b4112e26_16763ff189ecd9601172093 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

So, currently PING frames can only be sent in 0/1-RTT as per the TLS m= apping draft
https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-= tls.html#rfc.section.4

AFAICT the issue of allowing PING frames in Initial/Handshake packets = was discussed in #2640 which was in turn fixed by #26= 42 by saying to only send PADDING frames in probe packets. But then <= a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load is= sue title" data-id=3D"470775955" data-permission-text=3D"Issue title is p= rivate" data-url=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2912" da= ta-hovercard-type=3D"pull_request" data-hovercard-url=3D"/quicwg/base-dra= fts/pull/2912/hovercard" href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pu= ll/2912">#2912 came along which changed the same text by saying that = probes need to be ACK-eliciting.

Notably it says:

To allow the client to improve its RTT estimate, the new packet that i= t sends MUST be ack-eliciting. If Handshake keys are available to the cl= ient, it MUST send a Handshake packet, and otherwise it MUST send an Init= ial packet in a UDP datagram of at least 1200 bytes.

In the case where no other frame needs to be sent, but 1-RTT keys are = not available, an implementation can send an empty CRYPTO frame to achiev= e the above as suggested by @tatsuhiro-t, so I proposed an e= ditorial change in #3033 to expand the suggestion in -recovery= to mention that, since I think it's something that would be easy to miss= (and indeed, I don't think my implementation is the only one that got th= is wrong).

However some people seem to prefer allowing PING frames in Initial/Han= dshake in the first place (which is a design change), so maybe we should = discuss this more. That anyone knows, is there any reason why PING frames= are not allowed in Initial/Handshake?

(I'll make a PR shortly to help discussion)

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Fixes #3034

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3035

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  • Allow PING at every encryption level

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Ok, thanks.

I made #3034 to discuss allowing PING in Initial/Handshake packets again and made a PR (#3035). The WG can then decide if we want the editorial-only change in this PR, or the design one in the other PR.

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@nibanks approved this pull request.

Looks good to me. I think PING should be allowed everywhere.

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That validates a lot of what we have previously= only theorized.=0D =0D > - date: 2014-11-06=0D - seriesinfo:=0D - ISBN: 978-1466570269=0D + - ins: P. Rogaway=0D + date: 2002-09-20=0D + target: "https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/ad.pdf"=0D +=0D + NAN:=0D + title: "Nonces are Noticed: AEAD Revisited"=0D + author:=0D + - ins: M. Bellare=0D + - ins: R. Ng=0D + - ins: B. Tackmann=0D + date: 2019-06-01=0D + target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624=0D + seriesinfo: Advances in Cryptology =E2=80=93 CRYPTO 2019, pages 235-= 265=0D =0D So this is not the same paper (the link references a full paper of which = the CRYPTO 2019 piece was just a preview). Not sure how to thread that.=0D= =0D Will the CRYPTO version have a DOI that we can use?=0D =0D > author:=0D - - ins: J. Katz=0D - - ins: Y. Lindell=0D - date: 2014-11-06=0D - seriesinfo:=0D - ISBN: 978-1466570269=0D + - ins: P. Rogaway=0D + date: 2002-09-20=0D + target: "https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/ad.pdf"=0D =0D This has the same property as the one below, except that you don't cite t= he proceedings:=0D =0D > [21] P. Rogaway. Authenticated-encryption with associated-data.Ninth AC= M Conference onComputer and Communications Security(CCS-9). ACM Press, 20= 02. Proceedings version of this paper=0D =0D > =0D ~~~=0D protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D ~~~=0D =0D -This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {= {IMC}}.=0D +Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru= ction=0D =0D This isn't an assumption, it's a property we provide.=0D =0D ```suggestion=0D As `hp_key` is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction= =0D ```=0D =0D > =0D ~~~=0D protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D ~~~=0D =0D -This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {= {IMC}}.=0D +Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru= ction=0D +(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,= the=0D =0D I would expand this to cite {{NAN}} again.=0D =0D ```suggestion=0D (HN1) achieves AE2 security as defined in {{NAN}} and therefore guarantee= s privacy of `field`, the=0D ```=0D =0D > =0D ~~~=0D protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D ~~~=0D =0D -This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {= {IMC}}.=0D +Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru= ction=0D +(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,= the=0D +protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the h= eader=0D +protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD= =0D +algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is=0D= =0D I'm not sure that the distinction this middle sentence makes is relevant.= The definition of HN1 only depends on F being a PRF. The existing head= er protection functions use a PRF. We should probably say something abou= t what it takes to define a new header protection scheme somewhere though= .=0D =0D > =0D ~~~=0D protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D ~~~=0D =0D -This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {= {IMC}}.=0D +Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru= ction=0D +(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,= the=0D +protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the h= eader=0D +protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD= =0D +algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is=0D= +pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties desired from a P= RF.=0D =0D I don't think that you need to cite Rogaway's paper here. We're not rely= ing on the properties of an AEAD (the HN1 construction was, so it might b= e a little misleading to skew that direction).=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3031#pullrequestreview-2884079= 51= ----==_mimepart_5d7f1c675e445_49233facf44cd96c70517 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

=0D =0D

I like the Nonces paper. That validates a lot of what we have previou= sly only theorized.

=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
> -    date: 2014-11-06=0D
-    seriesinfo:=0D
-      ISBN: 978-1466570269=0D
+      - ins: P. Rogaway=0D
+    date: 2002-09-20=0D
+    target: "https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/ad.pdf"=
;=0D
+=0D
+  NAN:=0D
+    title: "Nonces are Noticed: AEAD Revisited"=0D
+    author:=0D
+      - ins: M. Bellare=0D
+      - ins: R. Ng=0D
+      - ins: B. Tackmann=0D
+    date: 2019-06-01=0D
+    target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624=0D
+    seriesinfo: Advances in Cryptology =E2=80=93 CRYPTO 2019, pages 235-=
265=0D
=0D

So this is not the same paper (the link references a full paper of whi= ch the CRYPTO 2019 piece was just a preview). Not sure how to thread tha= t.

=0D

Will the CRYPTO version have a DOI that we can use?

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
>      author:=0D
-      - ins: J. Katz=0D
-      - ins: Y. Lindell=0D
-    date: 2014-11-06=0D
-    seriesinfo:=0D
-      ISBN: 978-1466570269=0D
+      - ins: P. Rogaway=0D
+    date: 2002-09-20=0D
+    target: "https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/ad.pdf"=
;=0D
=0D

This has the same property as the one below, except that you don't cit= e the proceedings:

=0D
=0D

[21] P. Rogaway. Authenticated-encryption with associated-data.Ninth A= CM Conference onComputer and Communications Security(CCS-9). ACM Press, 2= 002. Proceedings version of this paper

=0D
=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
 ~~~=0D
 protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D
 ~~~=0D
 =0D
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {=
{IMC}}.=0D
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru=
ction=0D
=0D

This isn't an assumption, it's a property we provide.

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet p=
rotection key, this construction=0D
+As `hp_key` is distinct from the packet protection key, this constructio=
n=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
 ~~~=0D
 protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D
 ~~~=0D
 =0D
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {=
{IMC}}.=0D
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru=
ction=0D
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,=
 the=0D
=0D

I would expand this to cite {{NAN}} again.

=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore gua=
rantees privacy of `field`, the=0D
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security as defined in {{NAN}} and therefore guarante=
es privacy of `field`, the=0D
=0D =0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
 ~~~=0D
 protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D
 ~~~=0D
 =0D
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {=
{IMC}}.=0D
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru=
ction=0D
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,=
 the=0D
+protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the h=
eader=0D
+protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD=
=0D
+algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is=0D=
=0D

I'm not sure that the distinction this middle sentence makes is releva= nt. The definition of HN1 only depends on F being a PRF. The existing h= eader protection functions use a PRF. We should probably say something a= bout what it takes to define a new header protection scheme somewhere tho= ugh.

=0D =0D
=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

=0D 
>  =0D
 ~~~=0D
 protected_field =3D field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)=0D
 ~~~=0D
 =0D
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {=
{IMC}}.=0D
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this constru=
ction=0D
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`,=
 the=0D
+protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the h=
eader=0D
+protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD=
=0D
+algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is=0D=

+pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties desired from a P=
RF.=0D
=0D

I don't think that you need to cite Rogaway's paper here. We're not r= elying on the properties of an AEAD (the HN1 construction was, so it migh= t be a little misleading to skew that direction).

=0D =0D

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
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 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the

Even with citing, AE2 is not searchable. It is probably AE-scheme II, but I have only skimmed the paper.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the

We give a modified syntax for nonce-based encryption, called NBE2, in which decryption does not get the nonce, a corresponding framework of security definitions called AE2 that guarantee nonce privacy in addition to authenticity and message privacy, and simple ways to turn NBE1 AE1-secure schemes into NBE2 AE2-secure schemes.

This is in the introduction of the paper, under "Contributions in brief."

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the

Uh sorry, I was locked on to Rogaway's paper.

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When it comes to error checks for protocol violations, our principle is that easy to implement error checks are REQUIRED. Only error checks that might require a lot of state to perform are optional.

The check that the sequence number retired in a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame is smaller than the highest issued connection ID is a single trivial uint64 comparison. Furthermore, every implementation needs to track the highest issued sequence number anyway, since connection IDs are issued in order.

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Consensus was declared on this PR a couple of days ago. Can we get this merged, and deal with the error code requested by @ianswett and @martinduke as part of #3027?

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@ianswett I prepared a PR, just waiting for #2977 to get merged to apply the principle there.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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I chose the ePrint copy since it's more likely to stay up to date. I c= an swap in a reference to the CRYPTO version, though!

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>      author:
-      - ins: J. Katz
-      - ins: Y. Lindell
-    date: 2014-11-06
-    seriesinfo:
-      ISBN: 978-1466570269
+      - ins: P. Rogaway
+    date: 2002-09-20
+    target: "https://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/ad.pdf"

Will fix!

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction

I used this text in the off chance that we decide to change the scheme again. Using what's currently specified is probably better though. Thanks for the suggestion!

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the
+protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the header
+protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD
+algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is

I think the distinction is important because AEADs are (depending on one's definition) not PRFs.

We should probably say something about what it takes to define a new header protection scheme somewhere though.

Hmm, I'm not sure. That's probably best done elsewhere, e.g., a CFRG document, that we then cite.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 ~~~
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-This construction is secure against chosen plaintext attacks (IND-CPA) {{IMC}}.
+Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the
+protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the header
+protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD
+algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is
+pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties desired from a PRF.

Rogaway's definition assumes the encrypted output is pseudorandom (per the Adv^PRIV requirement), and that's the property header protection relies on, so I felt it best to cite.

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----==_mimepart_5d7f95361e92a_68863f8f8eecd96850586-- From nobody Mon Sep 16 07:25:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB511200E6 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:25:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ody1xv3gaRB for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E98F1200F1 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 07:25:03 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568643903; bh=c4NTG6MgyjXl9BLUPLnFwfy35mMbc5Mf6IOqfq/UWi8=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=w7qM+cA/LKIxIsg6V+BeB3TmAJv7JiCQmo2F+vrmP5497qC/axExa0Z3DQLhNb3Ct /NGDHalSWoU+kEdnJIGX6bChh6FMrd/ZFAYZ7/RIrs4A4SNYddy4n949Jc1w37lFuC FzIQIJRo++r5bZCoJSxkBvCprEaPom1jZoWzC69k= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Suggest sending empty CRYPTO frames in Initial/Handshake packets (#3033) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d7f9b3f3c4ec_41893fcbcf6cd95c108018"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 14:25:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d7f9b3f3c4ec_41893fcbcf6cd95c108018 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @marten-seemann the intent was to allow this in #2355, thanks for sending out a different PR to allow them. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3033#issuecomment-531801123 ----==_mimepart_5d7f9b3f3c4ec_41893fcbcf6cd95c108018 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @marten-seemann the intent was to allow this in #2355, thanks for sending out a different PR to allow them.

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This is small and I support it, but I think it needs to be marked design and run through the process because it changes normative language.

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An issue to match with PR #3036

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  • Add PR 3007 to transport-23 changelog

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As it is for other TLS application data, a server MUST treat receiving early data on the TLS connection as a connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION. As there is no way to express TLS application data (no record headers!) I believe there is no way for the proposed error condition to occur. I propose we strike the paragraph, though we might mention that this condition is impossible for clarity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3039 ----==_mimepart_5d80179c97d0b_113e3fce4f6cd95c1789d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Section 4.5 of quic-tls:

Early data within the TLS connection MUST NOT be used. As it is for
other TLS application data, a server MUST treat receiving early data
on the TLS connection as a connection error of type
PROTOCOL_VIOLATION.

As there is no way to express TLS application data (no record headers!) I believe there is no way for the proposed error condition to occur. I propose we strike the paragraph, though we might mention that this condition is impossible for clarity.

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Just pasting in the PR text:

When it comes to error checks for protocol violations, our principle is that easy to implement error checks are REQUIRED. Only error checks that might require a lot of state to perform are optional.

The check that the sequence number retired in a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame is smaller than the highest issued connection ID is a single trivial uint64 comparison. Furthermore, every implementation needs to track the highest issued sequence number anyway, since connection IDs are issued in order.

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----==_mimepart_5d801c409a6ac_55e73fb76b6cd95c62578-- From nobody Mon Sep 16 16:36:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 665A8120119 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:36:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k6gHQXQ39-Mo for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99029120856 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 16:36:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568676996; bh=8BegCvXJb7zTxggpLT15ZIUjtXmmRfN5MnQqWEQo3Jo=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lElMl6lYOpI2kdfopDoCNZaDxWcQGvmOtBFJza/VYaIu2EL7Yk3b3V1jvZIUshObR cpsnzH1ydfvb5LmzvX904HI93bVy1sNLaUuwttFC3jb4VAzmcEDm/6tHC/dcbrnLD1 ljVnrKy3yXe9xu/d5h3JVdXftAc0PpS7ecD5Q5TQ= From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Require peers to check if RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID sequence number is valid (#3037) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d801c84ad1d8_69253fad9f4cd95c32720"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:36:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d801c84ad1d8_69253fad9f4cd95c32720 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with the reasoning here and agree that it=E2=80=99s easy enough t= o check, but didn=E2=80=99t we consider this previously and decide agains= t it for some reason (reordering or some other issue making this possible= to have happen?)?=0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3037#issuecomment-531998075= ----==_mimepart_5d801c84ad1d8_69253fad9f4cd95c32720 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I agree with the reasoning here and agree that it=E2=80=99s easy enoug= h to check, but didn=E2=80=99t we consider this previously and decide aga= inst it for some reason (reordering or some other issue making this possi= ble to have happen?)?

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I can't remember now, but we did have an intermediate design where redundant fields were absent. This sentence may have crept in around then. I agree with @dtikhonov : it does seem redundant now.

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You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3040 -- Commit Summary -- * Removes unnecessary sentence about coalesced packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (13) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3040.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3040.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3040 ----==_mimepart_5d801e7f7edf5_1d753f9ad06cd96411224a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Closes #3029.

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  • Removes unnecessary sentence about coalesced packets

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@nibanks's point that the RTT can be smaller than the platform's granularity is a good one. I agree that this text ought to be removed.

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[ci skip] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:56:12 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 003d1812d8b21112d0424320ee0b8e00fb946d88 https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/003d1812d8b21112d0424320ee0b8e00fb946d88 Author: ID Bot Date: 2019-09-16 (Mon, 16 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M draft-ietf-quic-transport.html M draft-ietf-quic-transport.txt M index.html Log Message: ----------- Script updating gh-pages from ad3cf316. [ci skip] From nobody Mon Sep 16 17:07:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11979120119 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JrDVF2a4Wf5a for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C7A812001E for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5fb2734.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.19.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEE76E0451 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:07:45 -0700 From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Transport parameter registry is too constraining for innovation (#3020) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8023d1ae3c9_20f53fd6e36cd9601944a8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:07:48 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8023d1ae3c9_20f53fd6e36cd9601944a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with @ianswett, and I don't think we need to go varint here, that seems like a bit of an overkill. How about reserving 4096 codepoints for spec required, and leaving the rest (2^16 - 2^12 = 61440) for experimentation: [0x0000 - 0x0fff] uses the RFC8128 Specification Required policy [0x1000 - 0xffff] is reserved for experimentation -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3020#issuecomment-532004505 ----==_mimepart_5d8023d1ae3c9_20f53fd6e36cd9601944a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with @ianswett, and I don't think we need to go varint here, that seems like a bit of an overkill. How about reserving 4096 codepoints for spec required, and leaving the rest (2^16 - 2^12 = 61440) for experimentation:
[0x0000 - 0x0fff] uses the RFC8128 Specification Required policy
[0x1000 - 0xffff] is reserved for experimentation

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----==_mimepart_5d8023d1ae3c9_20f53fd6e36cd9601944a8-- From nobody Mon Sep 16 17:13:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 688C812012E for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ELwMpefybzF for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:13:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DF46A12001E for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 17:13:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568679192; bh=SQFGxPc07gGQ4DcxRfiKfT/y5gFiBAMZSTrDxCmmTho=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AVK7Es9RYGnAzFidy2VIbtvVDToU15+yskxrC9gmvnyvCzXB8knTsqsfESI+r9j7y ukA8vNlqtfNOaxvpopuJzu8yjSMpAKq/rtsr1EXCDEOgkMzlo/OLh5VpGnepPbjxEg KksDT101i/V2XPsBsx/X0BpAPSKafkh0k7eRt7AE= From: Jana Iyengar Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Detectable Stateless Resets (#3032) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8025185c4a_78083f8dd68cd96423526d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: janaiyengar X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:13:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8025185c4a_78083f8dd68cd96423526d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What @DavidSchinazi said. The goal here was to avoid trivial signatures that get used by middleboxes so that connections are resilient to a third party that injects a StatelessReset-like packet. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3032#issuecomment-532005595 ----==_mimepart_5d8025185c4a_78083f8dd68cd96423526d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

What @DavidSchinazi said. The goal here was to avoid trivial signatures that get used by middleboxes so that connections are resilient to a third party that injects a StatelessReset-like packet.

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Apart from the fact that we want to limit changes at this stage, are there arguments against going varint here? It feels pretty odd that many transport parameters are TLVs where T and L are 16bit and V is varint.

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Reordering won't change what the maximum sequence number is. That should be tracked.

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That was an editorial change, but this is harmless.

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Merged #3038 into master.

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I don't recall us wanting to disallow PING frames in Initial/Handshake packets. #3035 looks good to me.

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kMaxDatagramSize is currently set to the minimum packet size of 1200 b= ytes. It should be set instead to the max packet size used by the connect= ion, which is discussed in Section 14.1 of the transport draft.

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I don't have much of an argument here besides the general principle that we shouldn't provide more flexibility than is necessary. I don't think it's odd that T is fixed-length while the V is varint, FWIW.

If no implementations are bothered by the change to varint, then it's a bit of a bikeshed. Let's see if other implementers are bothered.

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I agree with Martin(and Marten). This is similar to the rule that a peer can't ACK a packet number you've never sent.

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@erickinnear : I have a vague recollection, but I think that might have been about tracking this at the receiver of NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames. This issue is about what the corresponding sender does when the receiver indicates a CID that the sender never sent.

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Jon Stone's work [1] showed that the internet is actually quite terrible and that the TCP/UDP checksums are super important. From the conclusion section: "Our trace data shows that the TCP and UDP checksums are catching a signi cant number of persistent errors. In practice, the checksum is being asked to detect an error every few thousand packets." Of course, this data is dated, but given the I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers today were not too far off from the ones he reports.

@kazuho's right that we cannot rely on the UDP checksum being on in all circumstances, but I would guess that it'll be on in most deployments. That said, the failure rate can be high enough to be bothersome in specific deployments. I would argue that it's a valuable goal to ensure that QUIC is protected against trivial corruption in all deployments.

I agree with @RyanAtGoogle that encrypting this packet is aligned with how we do things anyways, and there's additional benefit in being able to remove the ODCID. It is a bit late in the process, but this is a fairly isolated and local change.

I would argue that unless there's a strong reason to not encrypt this packet, we should encrypt it.

1: http://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2000/conf/paper/sigcomm2000-9-1.pdf

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Fixes #3027.

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  • use the FRAME_ENCONDING_ERROR for errors in frame encoding

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

LGTM, with maybe a note on the flow control one.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5061,7 +5060,7 @@ The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
 frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR.

This creates an extra check that some implementations might not bother to implement. Treating this as a flow control error is also fine. I note that this doesn't use a MUST either...

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Sep 16 21:48:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0F11200FB for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:48:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 783Uu2bi_SMx for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1831C120100 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:48:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1123D1C0068 for ; Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:48:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2019 21:48:30 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS application data isn't possible (#3043) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d80659e1505_21733fa8868cd96c691b6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 04:48:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d80659e1505_21733fa8868cd96c691b6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is a point @martinduke makes in #3039, but it probably pays to make it more clearly. This was possible in earlier iterations of the draft, so it's worth stamping out residual mentions. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3043 -- Commit Summary -- * Remove 'given' * QUIC only carries TLS handshake and alert -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (21) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3043.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3043.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3043 ----==_mimepart_5d80659e1505_21733fa8868cd96c691b6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This is a point @martinduke makes in #3039, but it probably pays to make it more clearly. This was possible in earlier iterations of the draft, so it's worth stamping out residual mentions.

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I think there might be issues with checking for any invalid sequence number, but the maximum should be easy. But if that is the case, what is the point of specifically checking for max and not a host of other bad cases? Sanity check...

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Add short explanation and reference to explain why QUIC-TLS bans the use of post-handshake client authentidaction.

Fixes #2367.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of
 CRYPTO frames. TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles
 CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet
 protection.
 
+QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames.  TLS
+alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}.
+TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any
+encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received.

How would it look like if they were received?
Wasn't @martinduke's point that QUIC doesn't even provide a way to send them at all, since there are no record headers?

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  • c56dd27 also allow FLOW_CONTROL_ERRORs for stream overflows

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5061,7 +5060,7 @@ The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
 frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR.

Resolved by requiring one of those two.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of
 CRYPTO frames. TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles
 CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet
 protection.
 
+QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames.  TLS
+alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}.
+TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any
+encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received.

Sorry, I meant to say "...by a QUIC implementation".

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 17 00:48:32 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B139120048 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wpX1lWXfITRd for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13D71120018 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465818C1E09 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 00:48:27 -0700 From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify why post-handshake client auth is banned (#3044) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d808fcb38b17_45633ff910ccd960131921"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 07:48:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d808fcb38b17_45633ff910ccd960131921 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson approved this pull request. I'm going to say that this is editorial-enough to just merge. MUST NOT implies PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, so the new normative language is fine as editorial. I'll give others a chance to disagree though. > @@ -612,8 +612,13 @@ MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested. The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol and deployment. -A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of -{{!TLS13}}). +A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (as defined in +Section 4.6.2 of {{!TLS13}}), because the multiplexing offered by QUIC prevents +clients from correlating the certificate request with the application-level +event which triggered it (see {{?HTTP2-TLS13=I-D.ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13}}). CMOY (cite my own work) alert. :) Also a CMOS tweak (Chicago Manual of Style) tweak: ```suggestion event that triggered it (see {{?HTTP2-TLS13=I-D.ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13}}). ``` > @@ -612,8 +612,13 @@ MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested. The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol and deployment. -A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of -{{!TLS13}}). +A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (as defined in +Section 4.6.2 of {{!TLS13}}), because the multiplexing offered by QUIC prevents +clients from correlating the certificate request with the application-level +event which triggered it (see {{?HTTP2-TLS13=I-D.ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13}}). +More specifically, servers MUST NOT send post-handshake TLS CertificateRequest +messages, and clients MUST treat receipt of such messages as a connection error ```suggestion messages and clients MUST treat receipt of such messages as a connection error ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I'm going to say that this is editorial-enough to just merge. MUST NO= T implies PROTOCOL_VIOLATION, so the new normative language is fine as ed= itorial. I'll give others a chance to disagree though.

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CMOY (cite my own work) alert. :)

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Also a CMOS tweak (Chicago Manual of Style) tweak:

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of
 CRYPTO frames. TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles
 CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet
 protection.
 
+QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames.  TLS
+alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}.
+TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any
+encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received.

Still not sure how this could happen (I don't think it could in quic-go), but I guess that depends very much on the details of the coupling between your QUIC implementation and your TLS stack.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -612,8 +612,13 @@ MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested.
 The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol
 and deployment.
 
-A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of
-{{!TLS13}}).
+A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (as defined in
+Section 4.6.2 of {{!TLS13}}), because the multiplexing offered by QUIC prevents
+clients from correlating the certificate request with the application-level
+event which triggered it (see {{?HTTP2-TLS13=I-D.ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13}}).

I'm honored to have been confused with @davidben.

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----==_mimepart_5d80992061eab_5bfc3facae8cd9689613-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 01:36:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A806812020A for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:35:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1zYwRiY3ET_W for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBCD4120104 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 01:35:54 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568709355; bh=OS+FDQkyWpTuWTzLwiqw1jKmQ4tMxX7iGENYivrpQbU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=UQFZBF1xLnsPl1Byez3Nn1FAJa8MR79ZXXMuo/ToIlydFzTt63GSJVquRGzA3PQAW 3FIKWz9ya8bMJds2Fu5kJ/2QNm7n+GJTEvTyvEnYRwgeuix2Ibm0n2fRMfC5T72A9h VVQvrFwgW8GpdpeT4aQlbhxKFi7ESqNkIYog8Y/A= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets (#3045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d809aeaf0655_23b13f9af42cd96c192856"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 08:35:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d809aeaf0655_23b13f9af42cd96c192856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The restriction for ClientHello to fit in a single UDP datagram was added back when the retry mechanism was more tightly coupled to the TLS crypto. At this point, the restriction doesn't get us much, and is preventing us from running some post-quantum experiments. Fixes #2928. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045 -- Commit Summary -- * Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (27) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045 ----==_mimepart_5d809aeaf0655_23b13f9af42cd96c192856 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The restriction for ClientHello to fit in a single UDP datagram was added back when the retry mechanism was more tightly coupled to the TLS crypto. At this point, the restriction doesn't get us much, and is preventing us from running some post-quantum experiments.

Fixes #2928.

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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045

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Though a -packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves -the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first -ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit. +The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic +handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Servers might need to +parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name +Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order +to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection. If the +ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer +the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the +client's address has not yet been validated. To avoid this, servers MAY use The resources are consumed either way, but if the client's address has not yet been validated, a server might not be willing to commit those resources. > -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Though a -packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves -the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first -ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit. +The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic +handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Servers might need to +parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name +Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order +to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection. If the +ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer +the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the +client's address has not yet been validated. To avoid this, servers MAY use +the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer +partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address. Though a packet +larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the +likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello s/is accepted/isn't dropped while in transit/ -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045#pullrequestreview-289105392 ----==_mimepart_5d809d2fae666_58473fe89aacd95c3137d1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -565,11 +565,19 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 ## ClientHello Size {#clienthello-size}
 
-QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire
-cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic
+handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers might need to
+parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name
+Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order
+to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.  If the
+ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer
+the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the
+client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY use

The resources are consumed either way, but if the client's address has not yet been validated, a server might not be willing to commit those resources.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic
+handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers might need to
+parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name
+Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order
+to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.  If the
+ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer
+the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the
+client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY use
+the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
+partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address.  Though a packet
+larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the
+likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello

s/is accepted/isn't dropped while in transit/

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I think the question is if we consider processing of NEW_CONNECTION_ID and RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames as a mandatory feature.

Migration is an optional feature of QUIC. For endpoints that do not migrate, there is no reason to update the Connection IDs (note that even though we recently introduced Retire Prior To field, we do not mandate endpoints to respect it - the keyword is "SHOULD"). If we consider that way, I think it is reasonable to never use a MUST for anything related to NEW_CONNECTION_ID or RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames.

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@kazuho I wouldn't encourage people to think of NEW_CONNECTION_ID and RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID as optional, but I agree that effectively they are in many cases. However, if you sent NEW_CONNECTION_ID, I don't think it's optional to not correctly process RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID, and that's the question here(I copy-pasted the paragraph above).

If the peer never sends RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID because it doesn't fully implement connection ID functionality, then this is not a problem.

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My reading is that this value is the actual max packet size used in the connection, it's just not clear from the explanation. kInitialWindow and kMinimumWindow are also per-connection fields defined directly below.

There is one potential detail, which is if the MTU increases after the handshake, do the min CWND and Reno behavior change accordingly? I think it's simpler to reason about them not changing, but I can see both arguments and in the end I don't think it'll matter that much.

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----==_mimepart_5d80bd405b57_5ebf3f922cecd9682807c2-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 06:25:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BCFF120846 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eIPA4czoU51E for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D9EA1200BA for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:25:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c53a806.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.45]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C2F7660447 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 06:25:12 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Require peers to check if RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID sequence number is valid (#3037) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d80deb87cba3_6ffc3f967f8cd96c33203b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 13:25:16 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d80deb87cba3_6ffc3f967f8cd96c33203b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I agree with Ian. Processing these frames, and acting accordingly is not optional. Even in the absence of migration RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID can be used to force a peer to start using new connection IDs. WinQuic will make use of this to dynamically balance load of connections across processors; independent of migration. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3037#issuecomment-532219256 ----==_mimepart_5d80deb87cba3_6ffc3f967f8cd96c33203b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I agree with Ian. Processing these frames, and acting accordingly is not optional. Even in the absence of migration RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID can be used to force a peer to start using new connection IDs. WinQuic will make use of this to dynamically balance load of connections across processors; independent of migration.

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WinQuic uses the currently calculated path MTU instead a constant kMaxDatagramSize.

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I would prefer not to encrypt the Retry packet and keep things how they are. We've done a lot of work to create a design that requires the least amount of work to accomplish the stateless retry scenario. Adding an additional level of encryption, just to get a checksum (something that is practically, already accomplished in most deployments with UDP) is just going to add complexity (we've already started work with HW vendors on the current model, and it's complexity, compared to TCP, is already a major hurdle).

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This proposed changes imposes some new, nontrivial requirements on the server side. As a server, would I be required to support multi-packet client initials? Do we really need this in V1?

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I share @nibanks's concern: The pain in the ass would be quite real. Is post-quantum crypto in scope?

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However, if you sent NEW_CONNECTION_ID, I don't think it's optional to not correctly process RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID, and that's the question here(I copy-pasted the paragraph above).

Thank you for clarifying your position. I'd be perfectly fine if the intent of the proposed change is to require validation if the endpoint has sent a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. My problem has been that I have been uncertain if the proposed change meant that; I'd be happy to proposed editorial tweaks to better clarify that.

@nibanks By saying "force a peer to start using new connection IDs", I think you are referring to the Retire Prior To field of the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame. That's a SHOULD (as the text currently says), IIRC we have agreed on that.

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To quote the paper @janaiyengar links to above:

Traces of Internet packets from the past two years show that between 1 packet in 1,100 and 1 packet in 32,000 fails the TCP checksum

That translates to less than 0.1% error rate on the high side. We already know that a significant percentage of QUIC connections will fail -- 3%, IIRC, according to Google -- for other reasons. <0.1% is 3% of the 3%... Is it worth it?

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If you've never sent a NEW_CONNECTION_ID, how could receiving a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame ever be valid?

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I think the concern here is not that the handshake fails, but that it takes a long time to fail in a circumstance where UDP connectivity does work. Chrome currently uses quite a short handshake timeout of 4 seconds, but if clients use longer timeouts, then users could wait a long time in this unrecoverable state.

I think UDP checksums are probably sufficient here, but these long timeout based handshake failures are very user visible.

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@kazuho sorry. You're right, I mean the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame's Retire Prior To field. But I disagree on your interpretation of the SHOULD:

Upon receipt, the peer SHOULD retire the corresponding connection IDs and send the corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames in a timely manner. Failing to do so can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.

The SHOULD is for in a timely manner. If you don't do it, the connection will eventually break, likely via a stateless reset.

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@ianswett The preferred_address TP. An endpoint is allowed, even though not required, to send a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame to retire a CID used during handshake. Quoting from section 19.16: An endpoint sends a RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame (type=0x19) to indicate that it will no longer use a connection ID that was issued by its peer. This may include the connection ID provided during the handshake.

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Therefore, IMO use of GMAC would be a reasonable choice if we decide to give it a checksum.

This is an overkill. Just use CRC32, which is simple, cheap (there is a dedicated CPU instruction for it!), and does what we need.

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@nibanks

The SHOULD is for in a timely manner. If you don't do it, the connection will eventually break, likely via a stateless reset.

The question is the intent of using "SHOULD in a timely manner" rather than "MUST in a timely manner". Yes, the connection would break, if the receiver does not migrate to a new connection ID. However, because we use a SHOULD, that is one of the expected outcomes when an endpoint sends a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame carrying non-zero Retire Prior To field.

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Not arguing against CRC but intels CRC instruction is not necessarily standard CRC checksum for reasons that elude me.

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@dtikhonov As people have been discussing, use of AES-GCM (or GMAC) is a simplification in terms of code reuse and also provides us the chance to get rid of the ODCID field.

Clarification: GMAC is any-cipher-with-GCM with zero-byte encrypted text, so if it's going to be called AES-GCM or GMAC simply depends on if we decide to encrypt the token. If we are going to make the use of the QUIC-level checksum an optional feature, it would make more sense to not encrypt the token regardless of the QUIC-level checksum being used - which means GMAC.

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As a server, would I be required to support multi-packet client initials?

I'd point out that endpoints are already required to support muti-packet client Initials when the TLS handshake uses HRR. Therefore, IMO the PR does not add new threats.

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----==_mimepart_5d81047625960_3e4b3f927e8cd96c1001b5-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 09:13:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C86B5120890 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:13:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TlPcOIFAx8A0 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A43B1208A2 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:13:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:13:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568736787; bh=4vIyOpvzsnzkRlbYn7XFAJDNjCtUPv9Cfldibg0GKJM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=B65AxHfz5iIzC9KAVKrr90Z/LP0OR3SocRkQLmR27y7A4Hoacs5DtDgt/LETT8fts 5ovsjN1b721Ozt3wLMkrvNKx5+5dzt5KsLYAyOBN8s2ybwWQEDgXS/hY2GCcX2N+Wu e29MV0qUHdBsIYRaW7KP70n5m4xI672xnmnVpPq0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] TLS application data isn't possible (#3043) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d810612ec1f7_681b3f9a21ccd9688442a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:13:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d810612ec1f7_681b3f9a21ccd9688442a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho approved this pull request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3043#pullrequestreview-289382937 ----==_mimepart_5d810612ec1f7_681b3f9a21ccd9688442a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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@kazuho it sounds like you're arguing that it's an acceptable trade off for clients that don't want to implement support for the Retire Prior To field. I hope that isn't what you're saying. As it is, I'm thinking I'm going to have to add some greasing for this feature to WinQuic.

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HRR is not stateless (at the QUIC layer) though, correct? The client's first packet still must completely contain ALPN and (optionally) SNI. That information is used by WinQuic to decide initially if the connection should be accepted and more server resources commit to processing the connection. Adding another point to the QUIC layer to decide if Retry is needed is additional work.

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At the moment, section 5.1.2 states, quote: Upon receipt, the peer SHOULD retire the corresponding connection IDs and send the corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames in a timely manner. Failing to do so can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.

As the text uses "SHOULD" rather than a "MUST", some view it as an optional requirement to switch to using a new connection ID in such a situation. Others think that it is a mandatory requirement for an endpoint to switch to a new connection ID.

If we are to consider the latter behavior to be the case, I think the text should better be changed to "MUST retire the corresponding connection IDs and send the corresponding RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frames in a timely manner".

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----==_mimepart_5d8107d7e4dd0_1e023ff2cb2cd96014375e-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 09:23:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18315120930 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:23:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ehTkR2gj-dW6 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C37D120926 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:23:53 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568737433; bh=9UUYMr+/yutFZkQ0yPh1I1tiXbbhM7jdXj251uxnlCU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ytdyc5BuSjH1mfWv1QW6M+5/iza1nhc6ljdRwehIUb0kRKbU2ZdDEYwb47F05JPIJ MM6kWXveZ3vdMia6GbicAmWvWwVdvu1aRjo3Dxu+CNqp5aCy4Aac2VETD6Yqrpa3M8 qPSePIg4xMfOzZIDcpvbZxzstfEudhbcUt6UiSCk= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Require peers to check if RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID sequence number is valid (#3037) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8108995c18f_1e003ff2cb2cd9601438e4"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:23:56 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8108995c18f_1e003ff2cb2cd9601438e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @nibanks > it sounds like you're arguing that it's an acceptable trade off for clients that don't want to implement support for the Retire Prior To field. I hope that isn't what you're saying. I am saying that that is the natural way of reading the text. It seems to me that there is a disagreement on what the text implies, and I think it'd be more productive to try to polish up the intent of the text before resorting to encouraging particular behavior through greasing; hence #3046. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3037#issuecomment-532295521 ----==_mimepart_5d8108995c18f_1e003ff2cb2cd9601438e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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it sounds like you're arguing that it's an acceptable trade off for clients that don't want to implement support for the Retire Prior To field. I hope that isn't what you're saying.

I am saying that that is the natural way of reading the text. It seems to me that there is a disagreement on what the text implies, and I think it'd be more productive to try to polish up the intent of the text before resorting to encouraging particular behavior through greasing; hence #3046.

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@nibanks I might argue that this PR does not prevent you from using the ALPN and SNI in the first packet as a way to "skip" Retry. In that hack, the difference between the status quo and this PR is that an incomplete CH in the first packet becomes a signal to send a Retry rather than an error. I do not think it adds complexity.

Considering the fact that we can remove other complexities due to the 1-packet restriction, this PR is a good simplification.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

I'd be inclined towards only recommending FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR here.

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My personal take is that it would be nice if the processing of NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame and RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID frame can be an optional feature. QUIC is already very complex, and it would be beneficial to have some features being optional, in sense that endpoints can simply discard certain frames when not implementing certain features.

IIUC, at the moment, these two frames are optional for an endpoint that do not support migration.

OTOH, from the robustness viewpoint of the protocol, it does make sense to change the text to MUST. We might have already crossed the river by introducing the Retire Prior To field.

The third option is to add a TP that indicates if an endpoint supports retirement of connection IDs...

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There was a lot of discussion when the Retire Prior To feature was added. At the time, I felt it pretty clear that it could not be optional from our server's perspective. I agree the sentence with the SHOULD, if read in isolation, could be interpreted as making the feature as optional. But the sentence immediately following it makes it pretty clear that it's not option.

Failing to do so can cause packets to be delayed, lost, or cause the original endpoint to send a stateless reset in response to a connection ID it can no longer route correctly.

I understand the desire to make things optional for simplicity's sake, but a primary point of this feature, when it was added, was that is was required. Making it optional now would, IMO, defeat the purpose of the feature.

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----==_mimepart_5d810ff4195dd_e7f3fcb53acd95c12438-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 09:58:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFBF3120849 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:58:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WIPsoSvsxtwt for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DDE1120108 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 09:57:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568739479; bh=1ruZbJau+AVGVTvLGa9dR+c5NTf6bsxIyLlUQn0pe3M=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BWit/EM3NTruhCHeDl9gemorLTlajx0FOgbJioruV9ybhlGih4D+voXkS3kricK1v Uq0vMKLfnI9oYxcnpc0SRK7FAQeQ1XjT79KvxtpM5syLrWGeBWaxfDEfg98NszGrDR /zKqJL9kzHgCBnYnKzyruRRkmDyoBBvrw2zrdaXk= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of Retire Prior To field (#3046) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8110971c9f5_40183fba02acd964101839"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:58:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8110971c9f5_40183fba02acd964101839 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My understanding is that this is optional in the sense GOAWAY is optional. At some point, the connection is likely to terminate abruptly if you don't follow the request. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3046#issuecomment-532308478 ----==_mimepart_5d8110971c9f5_40183fba02acd964101839 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My understanding is that this is optional in the sense GOAWAY is optional. At some point, the connection is likely to terminate abruptly if you don't follow the request.

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I'm not arguing that this PR would require loads more code, but I definitely don't agree that it's a "good simplification" of the current design. This adds additional attack surfaces that must be analyzed and implementations ensure they have adequate defense.

Again, I ask is this absolutely required for V1? What chartered requirements for QUIC deem this change necessary for V1?

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That's one way to look at it. The difference here is that we're not trying to kill the connection with Retire Prior To.

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----==_mimepart_5d8111992073c_40893f87384cd96c2249c3-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 10:16:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E921A12008A for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fqws4bWbpFmR for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18983120044 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 10:16:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568740569; bh=I+4cpYIg0JC85sfgqGYVWP7CrN+S+KGLpTngJK2d1h4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=zaN43Ke98n0JCtnEErMQk1gyQbO1f3nulGL0Q48XBKtmdKFsiVKooHKVdONCKY8c4 KZC1HwjIaZJUdCvjrcm2O+9+HaHEqLG87kP3Ov+QcNcZIrZWBh1b2i9vu5xQmzy/tw SH6cs/HfsoktK+yHAfqFoM/9kLZj1dyRQQ04l+f0= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets (#3045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8114d9171aa_1b33fe4922cd95c26828"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 17:16:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8114d9171aa_1b33fe4922cd95c26828 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit At the moment, a QUIC stack is required to indicate to the TLS stack that the CH should be constructed in a way that invokes HRR (by omitting the key_share extension), if the CH is otherwise going to not fit in one packet. This requirement is not only complex but also imposes one additional roundtrip (when the rule is invoked). Regarding the charter, we are tasked to create a protocol that minimizes connection establishment latency, while having "security and privacy properties that are at least as good as a stack composed of TLS 1.3 using TCP." We already have post-quantum extensions proposed for TLS 1.3, it is my understanding that Chrome is already doing experiments. They require use of CH that do not fit in single packet, which, without resolving this issue, imposes complexity and one extra round-trip. Considering these aspects, I might argue that we are _encouraged_ by the charter to resolve the problem :-) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045#issuecomment-532315561 ----==_mimepart_5d8114d9171aa_1b33fe4922cd95c26828 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

At the moment, a QUIC stack is required to indicate to the TLS stack that the CH should be constructed in a way that invokes HRR (by omitting the key_share extension), if the CH is otherwise going to not fit in one packet. This requirement is not only complex but also imposes one additional roundtrip (when the rule is invoked).

Regarding the charter, we are tasked to create a protocol that minimizes connection establishment latency, while having "security and privacy properties that are at least as good as a stack composed of TLS 1.3 using TCP." We already have post-quantum extensions proposed for TLS 1.3, it is my understanding that Chrome is already doing experiments. They require use of CH that do not fit in single packet, which, without resolving this issue, imposes complexity and one extra round-trip. Considering these aspects, I might argue that we are encouraged by the charter to resolve the problem :-)

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----==_mimepart_5d8114d9171aa_1b33fe4922cd95c26828-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 11:14:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 500B81209E0 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:14:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4IxpvWxKuIoK for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C5061209A3 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 11:14:12 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568744052; bh=KOELfTAxOk7ndpvjMKFc3toigJO0guBBCYNs+VXiwtQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=BBv3UPtB8kU80NnKa8Fo8mFZCWrV0rhosPtmIICYdlXyQLx/sKyRcxsFApSR8/UYl iGTsB+PIzk8acIbQIe31Gl00STwUjUzTddlU+mlk+79ATiAAUgY/oR2Ps6nwy6cp1Y JYXoGxOAxEbdkFHUmr+HxZ5MZ+fc6I7nqi2eOERw= From: David Benjamin Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify why post-handshake client auth is banned (#3044) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8122745d164_33433f8163ccd96c4110c7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: davidben X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:14:21 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8122745d164_33433f8163ccd96c4110c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit davidben commented on this pull request. > @@ -612,8 +612,13 @@ MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested. The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol and deployment. -A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of -{{!TLS13}}). +A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (as defined in +Section 4.6.2 of {{!TLS13}}), because the multiplexing offered by QUIC prevents +clients from correlating the certificate request with the application-level +event which triggered it (see {{?HTTP2-TLS13=I-D.ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13}}). Likewise. :-) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3044#discussion_r325314195 ----==_mimepart_5d8122745d164_33433f8163ccd96c4110c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@davidben commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -612,8 +612,13 @@ MAY refuse a connection if the client is unable to authenticate when requested.
 The requirements for client authentication vary based on application protocol
 and deployment.
 
-A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (see Section 4.6.2 of
-{{!TLS13}}).
+A server MUST NOT use post-handshake client authentication (as defined in
+Section 4.6.2 of {{!TLS13}}), because the multiplexing offered by QUIC prevents
+clients from correlating the certificate request with the application-level
+event which triggered it (see {{?HTTP2-TLS13=I-D.ietf-httpbis-http2-tls13}}).

Likewise. :-)

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----==_mimepart_5d8122745d164_33433f8163ccd96c4110c7-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 12:52:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 968C5120920 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:52:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MaH4-XwwMjfm for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:52:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D78891208C4 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f62aa54.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3F4A120E for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:52:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 12:52:11 -0700 From: Eric Kinnear Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of Retire Prior To field (#3046) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d81396bf1796_1bb33fda0a6cd9684954ef"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: erickinnear X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:52:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d81396bf1796_1bb33fda0a6cd9684954ef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There was definitely lots of discussion around the requirement level here when this was added (see #2645), @nibanks asked: > why couldn't we make it a "MUST immediately retire" instead of a SHOULD? What reasons would an endpoint have to ACK the packets but not retire the CIDs at the same time? There was good discussion following that ([start here](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-499180920) and scroll down). My understanding of [where we ended up](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2645#issuecomment-501041204) was that the endpoint being asked to retire a CID really SHOULD retire it or else the peer may stop responding to that CID. After the endpoint requesting retirement gives up on a CID and forgets about it, packets will either arrive with that CID or they will not. It has two choices, it can choose to process them if they arrive with the wrong CID, or it can drop them. The enforcement mechanism here is to stop processing the "bad" CIDs, not close the connection, especially as you take into account potentially delayed-but-valid packets. I think the current stance of "really SHOULD stop using such a CID, but the other endpoint needs to be careful about enforcing that" is the right one, if there's a wording update that would help with understanding there, then it would be great to update the wording as an editorial issue. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3046#issuecomment-532375257 ----==_mimepart_5d81396bf1796_1bb33fda0a6cd9684954ef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

There was definitely lots of discussion around the requirement level here when this was added (see #2645), @nibanks asked:

why couldn't we make it a "MUST immediately retire" instead of a SHOULD? What reasons would an endpoint have to ACK the packets but not retire the CIDs at the same time?

There was good discussion following that (start here and scroll down).

My understanding of where we ended up was that the endpoint being asked to retire a CID really SHOULD retire it or else the peer may stop responding to that CID.

After the endpoint requesting retirement gives up on a CID and forgets about it, packets will either arrive with that CID or they will not. It has two choices, it can choose to process them if they arrive with the wrong CID, or it can drop them. The enforcement mechanism here is to stop processing the "bad" CIDs, not close the connection, especially as you take into account potentially delayed-but-valid packets.

I think the current stance of "really SHOULD stop using such a CID, but the other endpoint needs to be careful about enforcing that" is the right one, if there's a wording update that would help with understanding there, then it would be great to update the wording as an editorial issue.

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I agree with @ianswett that I would prefer FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR since it is a bit more specific. Otherwise looks fine to me.

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@nibanks: Do you believe that obfuscating the packet is inconvenient at this late time, or that it is a lot of work for the HW vendors?

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5d814826b28ce_36ef3fd6576cd9606602e5-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 14:00:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C3C120072 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:00:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WxLLlyGECFlz for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:00:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-7.smtp.github.com (out-7.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EC1D612004A for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2300405.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E0EC2C3338 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:00:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:00:22 -0700 From: Nick Banks Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d814966edd7e_50873fb281ecd95c565887"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: nibanks X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 21:00:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d814966edd7e_50873fb281ecd95c565887 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It's more about the cost per packet for the HW. With TCP, the devices handle millions, if not tens of millions of connections per second using the SYN cookie method. They won't be able to get anywhere close to that with QUIC Retry packets, and it will be even worse if every packet must be individually encrypted. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-532400044 ----==_mimepart_5d814966edd7e_50873fb281ecd95c565887 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It's more about the cost per packet for the HW. With TCP, the devices handle millions, if not tens of millions of connections per second using the SYN cookie method. They won't be able to get anywhere close to that with QUIC Retry packets, and it will be even worse if every packet must be individually encrypted.

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of
 CRYPTO frames. TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles
 CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet
 protection.
 
+QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames.  TLS
+alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}.
+TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any
+encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received from the

This is a clarification of fact, that a TLS stack can never return application data, unless there is a bug in the TLS stack or in the way the QUIC stack uses the TLS stack.

Therefore I think that "can be treated as an error" is fine. Changing it to "is an error" would be fine too.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of
 CRYPTO frames. TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles
 CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet
 protection.
 
+QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames.  TLS
+alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}.
+TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any
+encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received from the

@kazuho: Makes sense, but I think saying "is an error" is overloaded, since we have many types of errors. But, this isn't a big deal; I'm happy with @martinthomson's editorial decision here.

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As commented on the issue, this should fix #2387 as well.

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Fixes #2604

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  • Send after receiving an ACK

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Fixes #2748

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  • Retransmitting ACK frames can inflate RTT

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 17 16:18:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8C312004F for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:18:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frmyoxvPJeGU for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB7F012003E for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:18:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568762289; bh=5FOhtXAfPpyujC2/nsK+L/l7KTb0KXUNuOSR9w5lBQc=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=pk4v0Oo6v4cHo6N/e/6cIMsiEBTMOEwAbG3A5xnNSkp51i0tdD1CHp9iD7k5iiK9e j6GXpDDh5+CIC1VNED7rSEaLjDF3RBpl6tne6D+oz1neUeS3rC+ggvdQgzg4H0sN6A T4+xwXdlfwmh2Bb3EhR5vnrpQYijtHjPniGHRWeo= From: afrind Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] H3 GOAWAY should be symmetric and cover bidi and uni streams (#2632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8169b1da94d_2b853fc4520cd9641159e5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: afrind X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 23:18:13 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8169b1da94d_2b853fc4520cd9641159e5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A different use case came up: Consider streaming a (potentially infinite) live video as a sequence of pushes. How does a client signal its intent to close this connection, and stop the server from pushing more video segments? The client can send a STOP_SENDING frame on the request stream which is receiving the PUSH_PROMISEs, but this may result in less than graceful termination of that stream. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-532438009 ----==_mimepart_5d8169b1da94d_2b853fc4520cd9641159e5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A different use case came up:

Consider streaming a (potentially infinite) live video as a sequence of pushes. How does a client signal its intent to close this connection, and stop the server from pushing more video segments?

The client can send a STOP_SENDING frame on the request stream which is receiving the PUSH_PROMISEs, but this may result in less than graceful termination of that stream.

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----==_mimepart_5d8169b1da94d_2b853fc4520cd9641159e5-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 16:33:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12B10120133 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:33:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dIzET67JvDFW for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C66F21200D5 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:33:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 16:33:22 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568763203; bh=VoMxNZopyfv5ow9nMwcYPnGIYUtFUeuHaBRHnLW8EIQ=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lXDSEL2m7nI/on2x3HaGB0u87e2hd9/+/c/cT+Eo/SKhJEyza266XANb5o1nDZUh5 eeYKOGK/10JUam15PV2jYgjMfdCTJBm12bpxK5e3SR4XImYXVnSnUpG0KvmhpnSl7S KAzbgPlk1FzDhzVqz2XsnAniSYwr1fTxId8g/UXU= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] H3 GOAWAY should be symmetric and cover bidi and uni streams (#2632) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d816d42e8df2_62863ffd726cd96415541b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 23:33:25 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d816d42e8df2_62863ffd726cd96415541b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In this case what do you advertise MAX_PUSH_ID as? By limiting the value and not incrementing it, you can cause the server to be unable to drive the connection, and allow the client to hit its idle timeout. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-532441217 ----==_mimepart_5d816d42e8df2_62863ffd726cd96415541b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In this case what do you advertise MAX_PUSH_ID as? By limiting the value and not incrementing it, you can cause the server to be unable to drive the connection, and allow the client to hit its idle timeout.

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Yeah, limiting credit via MAX_PUSH_ID is one way, but I still prefer the explicit signal from GOAWAY - it's like immediately zeroing out the credit.

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Agree. This is like writing a cheque but asking the other side not to cash it (out of band) to avoid it bouncing and causing pain all round.

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This is a little weird. We don't really retransmit frames, and have gone to some lengths to discourage people from thinking that way, so I don't quite understand how this would help. Yes, this is true, but it's just a very specific example of how regurgitating frames is a bad choice. > @@ -291,6 +291,13 @@ are received within an RTT. As suggested in {{?RFC6298}}, doing so might result in inadequate history in smoothed_rtt and rttvar. Ensuring that RTT estimates retain sufficient history is an open research question. +### Retransmitted ACK frames + +Section 13.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} recommends sending the most recent set of +acknowledgements in ACK frames, but if ACK frames are retransmitted, an inflated +RTT can be measured. Some incorrect RTT samples are prevented by only measuring +RTT when the largest acked increases. Type the entire word: ```suggestion RTT when the largest acknowledged increases. ``` > @@ -291,6 +291,13 @@ are received within an RTT. 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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5d8182f84d97c_1ab73fe7b2acd9688597b-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 18:18:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E35412007A for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:18:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id spxUrYa9JIP8 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BEBB12012D for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:18:08 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:18:07 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568769487; bh=TOyPAqGAz6NFzAwr3C85XOcGuXr2w3O1OUytZzBHrpM=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=KyqMvcjPbsp6A2D/XpWvvQN21UqCT/wkcTEjLBWT5PCJKYFCS9Gh1TH/c7HEElU1E d20+V5Q9Uen56J9vj68Cmj+bJ9nWwY6/29t4lwP7gPjzZI/I4d6QQ0ujVVEwyZt4NM Tz2MN4SAebpWctROqyKqsvSjHU0HuJRSjeRz+rq0= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets (#3045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8185cf4379d_53da3f82dbacd9681074e9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 01:18:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8185cf4379d_53da3f82dbacd9681074e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit martinthomson requested changes on this pull request. There is [text in the transport draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#packet-initial) that needs updating as well. > -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Though a -packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves -the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first -ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit. +The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic +handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Servers might need to +parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name +Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order +to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection. If the +ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer +the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the +client's address has not yet been validated. To avoid this, servers MAY use +the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer +partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address. Though a packet +larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the +likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello I think that acceptance and loss are two separate things and what we're talking about here is acceptance. The predicate on the statement is that the path supports packets of that size. This is speculating about a server's willingness to buffer the ClientHello bytes. To that end, this isn't about the 1200 byte minimum MTU, it's about making the ClientHello *as acceptable as possible*. Fragments are immediately less acceptable, and while smaller fragments are easier to hold, what matters is the size of the entire message, because that's the upper limit on what the server might have to buffer. Non-fragmented ClientHello can be as large as the path will support, because the server doesn't have to save them. I think that we can strike this last sentence and things will be clearer. > @@ -565,11 +565,19 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated. ## ClientHello Size {#clienthello-size} -QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Though a -packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves -the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first -ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit. +The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic +handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Servers might need to +parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name +Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order +to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection. If the +ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer +the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the +client's address has not yet been validated. To avoid this, servers MAY use +the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer +partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address. Though a packet ```suggestion partial ClientHello messages from clients with a validated address. Though a packet ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Whatever the answer here, the SHOULD was chosen because "timely manner" isn't defined in a testable fashion. If someone wants to argue for MUST, then we need a firmer definition of the reaction.

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And to agree with @erickinnear, the squishiness here only exists up until the point that this is "do this or else". We should make it clearer that the cost of non-compliance is losing the connection. Not always, but a endpoint is entitled to cut and run if their peer doesn't comply.

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I would be inclined to having "SendOnePacket" before "SendAsCwndAllows" as we discussed on the issue. WDYT?

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I think that we're still maybe talking past each other. > @@ -84,7 +85,7 @@ informative: - ins: R. Ng - ins: B. Tackmann date: 2019-06-01 - target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624 + target: "http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9" With a DOI, you can just cite this as: `{{?NAN=DOI.10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9}}` and save all that typing. Same for the above. > @@ -1440,12 +1441,13 @@ Header protection uses the output of the packet protection AEAD to derive protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample) ~~~ -Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction -(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the -protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the header -protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD -algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is -pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties desired from a PRF. +As `hp_key` is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction +(HN1) achieves AE2 security as defined in {{NAN}} and therefore guarantees +privacy of `field`, the protected packet header. One important distinction +between HN1 and the header protection construction in this document is that +the latter uses an AEAD algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted +output of an AEAD is pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties +desired from a PRF. This last sentence doesn't wash well for me still. The reason that we care about the AEAD output being pseudorandom is that this is the way we select the key we use for header protection. But that is something that the Nonces are Noticed paper should worry about in its proofs. The important factor for us here is that we are using the HN1 construction properly. For that, we only need to show that we are using a PRF. To support that we just need to say that both AES-ECB and ChaCha20 are PRFs. If that claim needs support, that requires a different paper. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3031#pullrequestreview-289626822 ----==_mimepart_5d818890923f7_4c833f97d8ecd95c7369a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I think that we're still maybe talking past each other.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -84,7 +85,7 @@ informative:
       - ins: R. Ng
       - ins: B. Tackmann
     date: 2019-06-01
-    target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624
+    target: "http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9"

With a DOI, you can just cite this as: {{?NAN=DOI.10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9}} and save all that typing. Same for the above.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1440,12 +1441,13 @@ Header protection uses the output of the packet protection AEAD to derive
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
-(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the
-protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the header
-protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD
-algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is
-pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties desired from a PRF.
+As `hp_key` is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security as defined in {{NAN}} and therefore guarantees
+privacy of `field`, the protected packet header. One important distinction
+between HN1 and the header protection construction in this document is that
+the latter uses an AEAD algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted
+output of an AEAD is pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties
+desired from a PRF.

This last sentence doesn't wash well for me still.

The reason that we care about the AEAD output being pseudorandom is that this is the way we select the key we use for header protection. But that is something that the Nonces are Noticed paper should worry about in its proofs. The important factor for us here is that we are using the HN1 construction properly. For that, we only need to show that we are using a PRF. To support that we just need to say that both AES-ECB and ChaCha20 are PRFs. If that claim needs support, that requires a different paper.

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In a world governed by congestion controllers with pacing, I'm not sure that makes sense? It seems to pull over some TCP ideas, but I'm not sure they're relevant here? Certainly a congestion controller could decide to always send a packet after loss, but can we leave that up to the congestion controller?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

I think that permitting either is in line with principles. I mean, sure, this can be flow control, but if someone has code that validates frames and that code all directs into a FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR code path, that's fine. Checking that x+y>=2^62 might be redundant, but I don't want to say that that code can't run that check.

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I agree with @martinthomson. Perhaps it's better to add some text where we discourage retransmitting of frames (at the end of Section 13.3) instead of in recovery.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

I don't think options are helpful here, so I'd prefer the more specific error.

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If you managed MAX_PUSH_ID like flow control and only gave out enough extra for the time window you wanted to shut down within(ie: 1-2RTTs), I believe this achieves the desired behavior? If that time window is <1RTT, then your only real option is CONNECTION_CLOSE? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2632#issuecomment-532482980 ----==_mimepart_5d818cac77f3_1e0a3fd4176cd95c132592 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Even with a client sent GOAWAY, you'd receive a few more pushes within the next RTT. If you managed MAX_PUSH_ID like flow control and only gave out enough extra for the time window you wanted to shut down within(ie: 1-2RTTs), I believe this achieves the desired behavior? If that time window is <1RTT, then your only real option is CONNECTION_CLOSE?

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TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet protection. +QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames. TLS +alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}. +TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any +encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received from the I'll take Kazuho's "is an error" to avoid triggering the usual "treat X as an error of type" thinking that goes along with generating CONNECTION_CLOSE. This is just wrong. To Marten's point about how stacks can do this - I don't think that we generate any application_data records in our stack, but we certainly have assertions in place in case we get some. If someone accidentally writes to the TLS socket, then we'll at catch that at the earliest possible moment. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 QUIC takes the unprotected content of TLS handshake records as the content of
 CRYPTO frames. TLS record protection is not used by QUIC. QUIC assembles
 CRYPTO frames into QUIC packets, which are protected using QUIC packet
 protection.
 
+QUIC is only capable of conveying TLS handshake records in CRYPTO frames.  TLS
+alerts are turned into QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE error codes; see {{tls-errors}}.
+TLS application data and other message types cannot be carried by QUIC at any
+encryption level and can be treated as an error if they are received from the

I'll take Kazuho's "is an error" to avoid triggering the usual "treat X as an error of type" thinking that goes along with generating CONNECTION_CLOSE. This is just wrong.

To Marten's point about how stacks can do this - I don't think that we generate any application_data records in our stack, but we certainly have assertions in place in case we get some. If someone accidentally writes to the TLS socket, then we'll at catch that at the earliest possible moment.

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As suggested in {{?RFC6298}}, doing so might result in inadequate history in smoothed_rtt and rttvar. Ensuring that RTT estimates retain sufficient history is an open research question. +### Retransmitted ACK frames + +Section 13.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} recommends sending the most recent set of +acknowledgements in ACK frames, but if ACK frames are retransmitted, an inflated I originally wrote that, but it's likely to be inflated anyway, particularly if max_ack_delay is < RTT. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3048#discussion_r325452115 ----==_mimepart_5d818d15fc73_1d473f86b54cd9681336d6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -291,6 +291,13 @@ are received within an RTT.  As suggested in {{?RFC6298}}, doing so might result
 in inadequate history in smoothed_rtt and rttvar.  Ensuring that RTT estimates
 retain sufficient history is an open research question.
 
+### Retransmitted ACK frames
+
+Section 13.3 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} recommends sending the most recent set of
+acknowledgements in ACK frames, but if ACK frames are retransmitted, an inflated

I originally wrote that, but it's likely to be inflated anyway, particularly if max_ack_delay is < RTT.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -84,7 +85,7 @@ informative:
       - ins: R. Ng
       - ins: B. Tackmann
     date: 2019-06-01
-    target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624
+    target: "http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9"

Awesome! Thanks for that tip.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1440,12 +1441,13 @@ Header protection uses the output of the packet protection AEAD to derive
 protected_field = field XOR PRF(hp_key, sample)
 ~~~
 
-Assuming hp_key is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
-(HN1) achieves AE2 security and therefore guarantees privacy of `field`, the
-protected packet header. One important distinction between HN1 and the header
-protection construction in this document is that the latter uses an AEAD
-algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted output of an AEAD is
-pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties desired from a PRF.
+As `hp_key` is distinct from the packet protection key, this construction
+(HN1) achieves AE2 security as defined in {{NAN}} and therefore guarantees
+privacy of `field`, the protected packet header. One important distinction
+between HN1 and the header protection construction in this document is that
+the latter uses an AEAD algorithm as the PRF. However, since the encrypted
+output of an AEAD is pseudorandom {{DefnAEAD}}, this achieves the properties
+desired from a PRF.

Ah, right! I was operating under the assumption that we used AEADs for the mask, but we use the primitives. Since those are PRPs and therefore PRFs, this becomes much simpler. Stay tuned for an update!

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It can result in an inflated RTT, as well as being a waste of bytes.

Fixes #2748

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  • Retransmitting an ACK frame warning

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I created #3049 as an alternative. Or we can close this issue and move on.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3183,7 +3183,8 @@ containing that information is acknowledged.
 
 * The most recent set of acknowledgments are sent in ACK frames.  An ACK frame
   SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in
-  {{sending-ack-frames}}.
+  {{sending-ack-frames}}.  Retransmitting an ACK frame can result in an

This para is not great. That second sentence totally doesn't belong here. Suggested rewrite:

"ACK frames carry the most recent set of acknowledgements and the current Ack Delay estimate. Retransmitting an old ACK frame with stale Ack Delay can cause the peer to generate an inflated RTT sample."

Then in 13.2.1 (sending-ack-frames), add this as the first paragraph:
"ACK frames SHOULD acknowledge both ack-eliciting and non-ack-eliciting packets that have been received but not yet acknowledged."

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So, yes to pacing, but there are impls that won't do pacing. Even with pacing, there's now an additional delay in recovering from this packet loss -- loss recovery time is increased by pacing_delay (which will be higher now that the loss has occurred). Allowing the sender to send out 1 packet immediately minimizes the chances of loss repair delay at the receiver.

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 17 19:33:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D55E91201A3 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:33:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id li3zVolgyZAc for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77C97120096 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:33:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:33:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568774015; bh=Bc3Q+PJ+YfoWOOo89XGdiPndJ/Q+IyZ2f3g/CWh3Mjk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bJZ/RSXhmTBToQmELFh3NUd/SFh4x0+HIe7BbqbZTm5kXyhCD2AjtQ/4IF6ByUN+D hi6kxPwl3W0rBu3iRnI4KrlkX5vlZE768SRT/3E6I0Ou1r7T9Ovf4W+VCqRL1ACmb2 HsGRfUDEWY3MvJebbjxVzLMudtcDT6+bEtxSFcf8= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Retransmitting an ACK frame warning (#3049) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d81977fa34e7_670b3fcff82cd960386382"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 02:33:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d81977fa34e7_670b3fcff82cd960386382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. > @@ -3183,7 +3183,8 @@ containing that information is acknowledged. * The most recent set of acknowledgments are sent in ACK frames. An ACK frame SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in - {{sending-ack-frames}}. + {{sending-ack-frames}}. Retransmitting an ACK frame can result in an There is already text that says "When only non-ACK-eliciting packets need to be acknowledged, an endpoint MAY wait until an ACK-eliciting packet has been received to bundle an ACK frame with outgoing frames." I'm not sure that's sufficient, but your suggestion adds a SHOULD, which makes this change no longer editorial. The ACK generation text needs a full rewrite, and I'd rather tackle that suggestion as part of that PR. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3049#discussion_r325459906 ----==_mimepart_5d81977fa34e7_670b3fcff82cd960386382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3183,7 +3183,8 @@ containing that information is acknowledged.
 
 * The most recent set of acknowledgments are sent in ACK frames.  An ACK frame
   SHOULD contain all unacknowledged acknowledgments, as described in
-  {{sending-ack-frames}}.
+  {{sending-ack-frames}}.  Retransmitting an ACK frame can result in an

There is already text that says "When only non-ACK-eliciting packets need to be acknowledged, an endpoint MAY wait until an ACK-eliciting packet has been received to bundle an ACK frame with outgoing frames." I'm not sure that's sufficient, but your suggestion adds a SHOULD, which makes this change no longer editorial. The ACK generation text needs a full rewrite, and I'd rather tackle that suggestion as part of that PR.

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There is a section for the congestion controller below. I think this is a response it can choose to have, rather than incorporating it into the loss recovery/detection pseudocode?

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[ci skip] From nobody Tue Sep 17 22:20:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6E8C1200D7 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:20:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLawp_BA073S for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 316A612006D for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:20:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:20:52 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568784052; bh=+OGoIykxpsR0YcVH7NoFfNBv6GSUlTmVmoHpbenlolU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=2QoZTilyHNniakynWtXsO4bYwvIr6BZwTs+vaBic5xZrd70uReA8taakFn8lif0Tz soUhGtrWUR7Pt0EK+TmYTVm58+A7Hf9z1ziZ9ucdWVr4Sy6Abh4VYifNPOY/zlyPyA hd4GaeXih4i/c4kjIBLLSjs69zTyNyUb3q/Oa+7k= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Allow ClientHello to span multiple QUIC packets (#3045) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d81beb43b106_3cd93f9b534cd960356096"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 05:20:55 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d81beb43b106_3cd93f9b534cd960356096 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Regardless of post-quantum and HRR, I agree with @nibanks that it is problematic to commit multiple packets before any kind of validation. If that is already the case due to HRR, I hope there is a way to avoid that without relying on client generated content. Otherwise the server is wide open to slow loris connection attacks. As to post-quantum - fine to have an experimental setting - in a real post-quantum world, perhaps min MTU can be larger? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045#issuecomment-532522918 ----==_mimepart_5d81beb43b106_3cd93f9b534cd960356096 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Regardless of post-quantum and HRR, I agree with @nibanks that it is problematic to commit multiple packets before any kind of validation. If that is already the case due to HRR, I hope there is a way to avoid that without relying on client generated content. Otherwise the server is wide open to slow loris connection attacks.

As to post-quantum - fine to have an experimental setting - in a real post-quantum world, perhaps min MTU can be larger?

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

If there is a flow control limit < 2^62 then presumably you would check against that and not a theoretical max limits. Thus having two different errors would needlessly add an extra check.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -84,7 +85,7 @@ informative:
       - ins: R. Ng
       - ins: B. Tackmann
     date: 2019-06-01
-    target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624
+    target: "http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9"

That link is behind a springer paywall - the former wasn't.

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I agree that ACKs should be sent up to date, but I also think it makes sense the the receiver to protect itself in this regard. Some implementations will mindlessly repeat frames and it is not enough to cause a protocol violation.

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----==_mimepart_5d81c244a8f2a_4cb93fb5872cd96465933d-- From nobody Tue Sep 17 22:48:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA4C1200F6 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:48:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.738 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.738 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, GB_SUMOF=5, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_05_10=0.26, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZA37LljR3qVV for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 03E9A1200E7 for ; Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 17 Sep 2019 22:48:10 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568785690; bh=hcGcF8BExx+AU2NsahQUIUMdSlLJFdFsm5+4XeLBg6Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=lXC5qIxzwKog3N5ntuP54knkYSl6CObLQFQvZeKnEWorVhCWd3pGZ9bH80FoF8TXz X6wM1P8HPf1RkvTfItrJlqaThLhCwGXAND2SeCjmL/jhy/HL+MPNqbw/3k+daGd9E1 +k4C0Qe3qg4ID7MmkhuvREvK3Elk5lWvpvazpP8E= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Use the FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for errors in frame encoding (#3042) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d81c51ac5862_58b13fc8948cd95c447297"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 05:48:14 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d81c51ac5862_58b13fc8948cd95c447297 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kazuho commented on this pull request. > @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent. The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0. The largest offset delivered on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data. Receipt of a -frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type -FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR. +frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type +FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR. Note that there is a similar issue with MAX_STREAMS and STREAMS_BLOCKED. They communicate the cumulative count of streams of particular type using varint. It is possible to express numbers up to 262 however it is always an error to indicate a value above 260. [Section 4.5](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#rfc.section.4.5) currently states that STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR is to be used for communicating such error (for MAX_STREAMS, there is no mention of STREAMS_BLOCKED). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3042#discussion_r325491130 ----==_mimepart_5d81c51ac5862_58b13fc8948cd95c447297 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

Note that there is a similar issue with MAX_STREAMS and STREAMS_BLOCKED. They communicate the cumulative count of streams of particular type using varint. It is possible to express numbers up to 262 however it is always an error to indicate a value above 260.

Section 4.5 currently states that STREAM_LIMIT_ERROR is to be used for communicating such error (for MAX_STREAMS, there is no mention of STREAMS_BLOCKED).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

That was done before this proposed principle. Do you think that we should be aiming to have more specific error codes where possible here?

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@erickinnear Thank you for the explanation and the links. They help a lot in understanding how we ended up here.

Whatever the answer here, the SHOULD was chosen because "timely manner" isn't defined in a testable fashion. If someone wants to argue for MUST, then we need a firmer definition of the reaction.

Yeah we already state that "an endpoint MAY discard a connection ID for which retirement has been requested once an interval of no less than 3 PTO has elapsed since an acknowledgement is received for the NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame requesting that retirement." So I think it's testable.

Considering that we have a MAY on the side that initiates the retirement, I think we can have a MUST on the receiver side (assuming that we want to).

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5060,8 +5059,8 @@ the offset of the next byte that would be sent.
 The first byte in the stream has an offset of 0.  The largest offset delivered
 on a stream - the sum of the offset and data length - cannot exceed 2^62-1, as
 it is not possible to provide flow control credit for that data.  Receipt of a
-frame that exceeds this limit will be treated as a connection error of type
-FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.
+frame that exceeds this limit MUST be treated as a connection error of type
+FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR or FLOW_CONTROL_ERROR.

My point is that if we are going to permit the use of FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR when the STREAM frame exceeds the 262 boundary, then we should also permit the use of FRAME_ENCODING_ERROR for MAX_STREAMS frame carrying a count exceeding 260.

My weak preference is to not do either of the two, as we'd be losing a clear signal. IMO, this discussion is about the error code to be used when integrity check for certain frames fail. We can argue that integrity check is not part of frame decoding. Then, it would be natural to use the more specific error codes.

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I agree with @ianswett, and I don't think we need to go varint here, that seems like a bit of an overkill. How about reserving 4096 codepoints for spec required, and leaving the rest (2^16 - 2^12 = 61440) for experimentation:
[0x0000 - 0x0fff] uses the RFC8128 Specification Required policy
[0x1000 - 0xffff] is reserved for experimentation

Split in two ? what the same size ?

Don't forget there is also GREASE TP now

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That almost works, except that PTO isn't a shared variable. It's subjective and so endpoints might disagree on where this line is. At 3PTO, that's probably not a disagreement worth having, but you are effectively recommending instant compliance if you set the bar that low, as packet loss on any packet sent that attempts to comply might cause it to take up to 3PTO to get through.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -84,7 +85,7 @@ informative:
       - ins: R. Ng
       - ins: B. Tackmann
     date: 2019-06-01
-    target: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/624
+    target: "http://dx.doi.org/10.1007/978-3-030-26948-7_9"

True, yet the DOI is stable. I'm sure folks won't have trouble finding the ePrint version.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Sep 18 04:37:25 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6ECA12021C for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 04:37:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TbvK6vNqfOcE for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 04:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6426B120024 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 04:37:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 04:37:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568806640; bh=NzWgeINrvd4Ucq1N3qUBqasO82C2+6KaJyCZ9i5oh5I=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=AE/sHAtnKmYhcp7DKAQU+NPT+InImBKxs9ATZPijXYYl7HFM9mUqiMZTVHegb9UxJ Ad6977se5hkwql1TQhecs1GLWywaC0qFGDbbYFtRpBa1AkTwj2Q8vZPsOUhJRY9v1C ICnUUa/yFKZMuit3SFQt5Rv776vPbQUJr7nbKUGc= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Reference "Nonces are Noticed" in the header protection analysis section (#3031) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8216f0af5ce_14893f7fe4acd96c1071f8"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 11:37:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8216f0af5ce_14893f7fe4acd96c1071f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm really happy to see good research on this that confirms our intuitions about one of the most important QUIC-specific constructions. Thanks for doing this Chris. Are you planning to make a similar contribution to DTLS 1.3? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3031#issuecomment-532645269 ----==_mimepart_5d8216f0af5ce_14893f7fe4acd96c1071f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm really happy to see good research on this that confirms our intuitions about one of the most important QUIC-specific constructions. Thanks for doing this Chris.

Are you planning to make a similar contribution to DTLS 1.3?

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Thanks for doing this Chris.

My pleasure. :-)

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Yep!

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Thinking more about this, I really like having congestion control, loss detection, and what to send as separate parts of QUIC. I'm hesitant to couple them more tightly.

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In the process, I am also trying to address #2792, which is the timing sidechannel created by having the generation of updated keys inline with packet processing. In doing so, I'm suggesting that endpoints create the next keys at some time after the key update happens. Right now, I'm thinking 1-2 PTOs is probably close enough to workable. I've limited this at 3PTO. This is, however, just a (firm) suggestion at this stage. For endpoints that only want to keep 2 sets of keys, this is probably the right time frame, especially if we keep the current advice for 3PTO before a subsequent update. The effect of this is that attempts to update at certain times could cause all packets after the update to be discarded. That would only happen if implementations consistently ignored advice on update frequency, so I think that's tolerable, but I'd like input on this. (This also attempts to take up the advice from the other, older PRs on this subject.) Closes #2792, #2791, #2237. 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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Sep 18 20:15:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73E412011D for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:15:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FwJu-H4cGe6A for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B30A5120119 for ; Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:15:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2019 20:15:06 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568862906; bh=BnZWXt/I2m1cYPwTCOKUliEN5iPcD9FWg3O58WyO88k=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=WqhNP3Azam0as8IeWzL94u/i6ekm36VIauT4tVn9CMSo4kTXyTYQfEAeWeFdLP3Y6 LKTWqSxUrp0CXm1W/nuBFOlQUYfnb9yQvD/G/uRkMnGjlyg4wFo466UnENWHt9eGQe ArqQq9e659IEO0DGIQ/1LcfuIxc49T/5C9o9kKjQ= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite key update section (#3050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d82f2ba11168_6a793fcaf7ecd964495fe"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 03:15:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d82f2ba11168_6a793fcaf7ecd964495fe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This makes some significant editorial changes to the key update section, hopefully making the various activities clearer and more explicit. In the process, I am also trying to address #2792, which is the timing sidechannel created by having the generation of updated keys inline with packet processing. In doing so, I'm suggesting that endpoints create the next keys at some time after the key update happens. Right now, I'm thinking 1-2 PTOs is probably close enough to workable. I've limited this at 3PTO. This is, however, just a (firm) suggestion at this stage. For endpoints that only want to keep 2 sets of keys, this is probably the right time frame, especially if we keep the current advice for 3PTO before a subsequent update. The effect of this is that attempts to update at certain times could cause all packets after the update to be discarded. That would only happen if implementations consistently ignored advice on update frequency, so I think that's tolerable, but I'd like input on this. (This also attempts to take up the advice from the other, older PRs on this subject.) Closes #2792, #2791, #2237. 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This makes some significant editorial changes to the key update sectio= n,
hopefully making the various activities clearer and more explicit.

In the process, I am also trying to address #2792, which is t= he timing
sidechannel created by having the generation of updated keys inline with<= br> packet processing. In doing so, I'm suggesting that endpoints create
= the next keys at some time after the key update happens. Right now, I'm<= br> thinking 1-2 PTOs is probably close enough to workable. I've limited
= this at 3PTO. This is, however, just a (firm) suggestion at this stage.<= /p>

For endpoints that only want to keep 2 sets of keys, this is probably<= br> the right time frame, especially if we keep the current advice for 3PTO before a subsequent update.

The effect of this is that attempts to update at certain times could cause all packets after the update to be discarded. That would only
happen if implementations consistently ignored advice on update
frequency, so I think that's tolerable, but I'd like input on this.

(This also attempts to take up the advice from the other, older PRs on=
this subject.)

Closes #2792, #2791, #2237.

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Thank you very much for writing this. This is a big change in text and I assume it has been tough to write down. It's also hard to read and make comments at once, so below are my tentative comments. > +{{protection-keys}}. The header protection key is not updated. + + +The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and +IV to protect all subsequent packets. + +An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an +acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current +key phase. This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another +can be initiated. + +Note: + +: Changes in keys from Initial to Handshake and from Handshake to 1-RTT don't + use this key update process. Key changes during the handshake are driven + solely by changes in the TLS handshake state. It seems a bit odd that we do not talk about 0-RTT packet here, even though Initial and Handshake are mentioned. Maybe something like: _Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are derived solely from the TLS handshake state._ > + + +## Responding to a Key Update + +Once an endpoint has acknowledged a packet in the current key phase, a peer is +permitted to initiate a key update. If a packet is received with a key phase +that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it +sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the +corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations +about generating these keys. + +An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate +keys for receiving. + +If a packet is successfully processed using the next key and IV, then the peer +has initiated a key update. The endpoint MUST updates its send keys to the s/updates/update/ > +Once an endpoint has acknowledged a packet in the current key phase, a peer is +permitted to initiate a key update. If a packet is received with a key phase +that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it +sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the +corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations +about generating these keys. + +An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate +keys for receiving. + +If a packet is successfully processed using the next key and IV, then the peer +has initiated a key update. The endpoint MUST updates its send keys to the +corresponding key phase in response, as described in {{key-update-initiate}}. +By acknowledging the packet that triggered the key update in a packet protected +with the updated keys, the endpoint will ultimately signal that the key update +is complete. Would it be possible to clarify the ordering of the operation that the endpoint needs to follow? IIUC, there is a MUST requirement to update the send keys, before sending an ACK for a packet that triggered that update. We have the following paragraph starting from line 1280 stating that the peer can close the connection if the endpoint does not follow this ordering requirement. > An endpoint that receives an acknowledgement that is carried in a packet > protected with old keys where any acknowledged packet was protected with newer > keys MAY treat that as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. This > indicates that a peer has received and acknowledged a packet that initiates a > key update, but has not updated keys in response. > +apparent key updates are easy to forge and - while the process of key update +does not require significant effort - triggering this process could be used by +an attacker for DoS. + +For this reason, endpoints MUST be able to retain two sets of packet protection +keys for receiving packets: the current and the next. Retaining the previous +keys in addition to these might improve performance, but this is not essential. + +The time taken to generate new keys could reveal through timing side channels +that a key update has occurred, or where an attacker injects packets, be used to +reveal the value of the Key Phase on injected packets. After receiving a key +update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of packet protection +keys. After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not create timing +signals about the value of the Key Phase. + +This depends on not doing this generating during packet processing and it can Maybe s/this generating/this key generation/? > +keys for receiving packets: the current and the next. Retaining the previous +keys in addition to these might improve performance, but this is not essential. + +The time taken to generate new keys could reveal through timing side channels +that a key update has occurred, or where an attacker injects packets, be used to +reveal the value of the Key Phase on injected packets. After receiving a key +update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of packet protection +keys. After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not create timing +signals about the value of the Key Phase. + +This depends on not doing this generating during packet processing and it can +require that endpoints maintain three sets of packet protection keys for +receiving: for the previous key phase, for the current key phase, and for the +next key phase. Endpoints MAY choose to defer generation of the next packet +protection keys until they discard old keys so that only two sets of receive +keys need to be retained at any point in time. IIUC, this sentence is suggesting an alternative approach to the previous sentence. Assuming that is the case, I think it might be slightly better to start this sentence with "Endpoints MAY _instead_". > +update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of packet protection +keys. After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not create timing +signals about the value of the Key Phase. + +This depends on not doing this generating during packet processing and it can +require that endpoints maintain three sets of packet protection keys for +receiving: for the previous key phase, for the current key phase, and for the +next key phase. Endpoints MAY choose to defer generation of the next packet +protection keys until they discard old keys so that only two sets of receive +keys need to be retained at any point in time. + + +## Sending with Updated Keys {#old-keys-send} + +An endpoint always sends packets that are protected with the newest keys. Keys +used for adding packet protection can be discarded immediately after switching Maybe "adding" is superfluous? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

Thank you very much for writing this.

This is a big change in text and I assume it has been tough to write down. It's also hard to read and make comments at once, so below are my tentative comments.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +{{protection-keys}}.  The header protection key is not updated.
+
+
+The endpoint toggles the value of the Key Phase bit and uses the updated key and
+IV to protect all subsequent packets.
+
+An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a key update prior to having received an
+acknowledgment for a packet that it sent protected with keys from the current
+key phase.  This ensures that keys are available to both peers before another
+can be initiated.
+
+Note:
+
+: Changes in keys from Initial to Handshake and from Handshake to 1-RTT don't
+  use this key update process. Key changes during the handshake are driven
+  solely by changes in the TLS handshake state.

It seems a bit odd that we do not talk about 0-RTT packet here, even though Initial and Handshake are mentioned.

Maybe something like: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are derived solely from the TLS handshake state.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+
+## Responding to a Key Update
+
+Once an endpoint has acknowledged a packet in the current key phase, a peer is
+permitted to initiate a key update.  If a packet is received with a key phase
+that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it
+sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the
+corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations
+about generating these keys.
+
+An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate
+keys for receiving.
+
+If a packet is successfully processed using the next key and IV, then the peer
+has initiated a key update.  The endpoint MUST updates its send keys to the

s/updates/update/

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +Once an endpoint has acknowledged a packet in the current key phase, a peer is
+permitted to initiate a key update.  If a packet is received with a key phase
+that differs from the value the endpoint used to protect the last packet it
+sent, the endpoint uses the next packet protection keys for reading and the
+corresponding key and IV; see {{receive-key-generation}} for considerations
+about generating these keys.
+
+An endpoint uses the same key derivation process as its peer uses to generate
+keys for receiving.
+
+If a packet is successfully processed using the next key and IV, then the peer
+has initiated a key update.  The endpoint MUST updates its send keys to the
+corresponding key phase in response, as described in {{key-update-initiate}}.
+By acknowledging the packet that triggered the key update in a packet protected
+with the updated keys, the endpoint will ultimately signal that the key update
+is complete.

Would it be possible to clarify the ordering of the operation that the endpoint needs to follow?

IIUC, there is a MUST requirement to update the send keys, before sending an ACK for a packet that triggered that update.

We have the following paragraph starting from line 1280 stating that the peer can close the connection if the endpoint does not follow this ordering requirement.

An endpoint that receives an acknowledgement that is carried in a packet
protected with old keys where any acknowledged packet was protected with newer
keys MAY treat that as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. This
indicates that a peer has received and acknowledged a packet that initiates a
key update, but has not updated keys in response.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +apparent key updates are easy to forge and - while the process of key update
+does not require significant effort - triggering this process could be used by
+an attacker for DoS.
+
+For this reason, endpoints MUST be able to retain two sets of packet protection
+keys for receiving packets: the current and the next.  Retaining the previous
+keys in addition to these might improve performance, but this is not essential.
+
+The time taken to generate new keys could reveal through timing side channels
+that a key update has occurred, or where an attacker injects packets, be used to
+reveal the value of the Key Phase on injected packets.  After receiving a key
+update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of packet protection
+keys.  After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not create timing
+signals about the value of the Key Phase.
+
+This depends on not doing this generating during packet processing and it can

Maybe s/this generating/this key generation/?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +keys for receiving packets: the current and the next.  Retaining the previous
+keys in addition to these might improve performance, but this is not essential.
+
+The time taken to generate new keys could reveal through timing side channels
+that a key update has occurred, or where an attacker injects packets, be used to
+reveal the value of the Key Phase on injected packets.  After receiving a key
+update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of packet protection
+keys.  After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not create timing
+signals about the value of the Key Phase.
+
+This depends on not doing this generating during packet processing and it can
+require that endpoints maintain three sets of packet protection keys for
+receiving: for the previous key phase, for the current key phase, and for the
+next key phase.  Endpoints MAY choose to defer generation of the next packet
+protection keys until they discard old keys so that only two sets of receive
+keys need to be retained at any point in time.

IIUC, this sentence is suggesting an alternative approach to the previous sentence. Assuming that is the case, I think it might be slightly better to start this sentence with "Endpoints MAY instead".

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +update, an endpoint SHOULD generate and save the next set of packet protection
+keys.  After new keys are available, receipt of packets will not create timing
+signals about the value of the Key Phase.
+
+This depends on not doing this generating during packet processing and it can
+require that endpoints maintain three sets of packet protection keys for
+receiving: for the previous key phase, for the current key phase, and for the
+next key phase.  Endpoints MAY choose to defer generation of the next packet
+protection keys until they discard old keys so that only two sets of receive
+keys need to be retained at any point in time.
+
+
+## Sending with Updated Keys {#old-keys-send}
+
+An endpoint always sends packets that are protected with the newest keys.  Keys
+used for adding packet protection can be discarded immediately after switching

Maybe "adding" is superfluous?

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Do you have any opinion on the advice about how many keys to hold, when to flip from keeping previous vs. next (especially if you are doing just two keys) and the technical changes? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3050#issuecomment-532982818 ----==_mimepart_5d831c5bc1b36_62b63ff87becd96c10622e Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Thanks @kazuho. Do you have any opinion on the advice about how many keys to hold, when to flip from keeping previous vs. next (especially if you are doing just two keys) and the technical changes?

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@martinthomson It seemed to me that the advice on how to use 2 keys seemed correct and appropriate. It's a bit unfortunate that the advice is scattered, but I assume that's because we have to talk about the features rather than talking about implementation strategies. I also like the introduction of KEY_UPDATE_ERROR.

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Thanks for rewriting this, I think in general the new text is clearer than the previous one. Comments inline. > @@ -1168,89 +1168,232 @@ anticipation of receiving a ClientHello. # Key Update -Once the handshake is confirmed, it is possible to update the keys. The -KEY_PHASE bit in the short header is used to indicate whether key updates -have occurred. The KEY_PHASE bit is initially set to 0 and then inverted -with each key update. +Once the 1-RTT keys are established and confirmed, it is possible to update the The `handshake is confirmed` has a meaning [formally defined in section 4.1.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#handshake-confirmed). Do we have a formal definition for confirming 1-RTT keys? > -updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting -a reciprocal update. An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal -error and abort the connection. - -An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a period of no more than three times the -PTO. After this period, old keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be -discarded. Retaining keys allow endpoints to process packets that were sent -with old keys and delayed in the network. Packets with higher packet numbers -always use the updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys. - -This ensures that once the handshake is complete, packets with the same -KEY_PHASE will have the same packet protection keys, unless there are multiple -key updates in a short time frame succession and significant packet reordering. +{{ex-key-update}} shows a key update process, with keys used identified with @M +cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a and +@N. The value of Key Phase bit is indicated in brackets \[].. typo: value of *the* Key Phase bit > -If an endpoint detects a second update before it has sent any packets with -updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting -a reciprocal update. An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal -error and abort the connection. - -An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a period of no more than three times the -PTO. After this period, old keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be -discarded. Retaining keys allow endpoints to process packets that were sent -with old keys and delayed in the network. Packets with higher packet numbers -always use the updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys. - -This ensures that once the handshake is complete, packets with the same -KEY_PHASE will have the same packet protection keys, unless there are multiple -key updates in a short time frame succession and significant packet reordering. +{{ex-key-update}} shows a key update process, with keys used identified with @M +cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a and I'm failing to parse this sentence. > -In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of -specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}. +## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate} + +Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection. An +endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret +and using that to protect new packets. The endpoint creates a new write secret +from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}. This +uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku". The Is this PR changing the label for key updates? > This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST NOT send a TLS KeyUpdate message. Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}). -An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is -confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent -key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the -current KEY_PHASE. This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet The implementation guidance sentence (`This can be implemented by...`) has been removed, did you not consider it useful? > + +## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation} + +Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing +side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see +{{header-protect-analysis}}). Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in +place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys +will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove +packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be +rejected. + +The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could +reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY perform this process as +part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by +an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase +bit in certain packets. Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next If the endpoint is deferring creation of the next set of keys, does that mean that it's not allowed to send ACKs for up to 3 * PTO? That can really impact performance. I'm wondering if alternatively we should recommend creating the next set of keys as soon as the old keys have been discarded, it would remove the timing side-channel without causing delays. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3050#pullrequestreview-290396663 ----==_mimepart_5d833f84a2805_44c83faee0acd9641385a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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Thanks for rewriting this, I think in general the new text is clearer than the previous one. Comments inline.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1168,89 +1168,232 @@ anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 # Key Update
 
-Once the handshake is confirmed, it is possible to update the keys. The
-KEY_PHASE bit in the short header is used to indicate whether key updates
-have occurred. The KEY_PHASE bit is initially set to 0 and then inverted
-with each key update.
+Once the 1-RTT keys are established and confirmed, it is possible to update the

The handshake is confirmed has a meaning formally defined in section 4.1.2. Do we have a formal definition for confirming 1-RTT keys?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting
-a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal
-error and abort the connection.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a period of no more than three times the
-PTO.  After this period, old keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be
-discarded.  Retaining keys allow endpoints to process packets that were sent
-with old keys and delayed in the network.  Packets with higher packet numbers
-always use the updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys.
-
-This ensures that once the handshake is complete, packets with the same
-KEY_PHASE will have the same packet protection keys, unless there are multiple
-key updates in a short time frame succession and significant packet reordering.
+{{ex-key-update}} shows a key update process, with keys used identified with @M
+cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a and
+@N.  The value of Key Phase bit is indicated in brackets \[]..

typo: value of the Key Phase bit

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -If an endpoint detects a second update before it has sent any packets with
-updated keys, it indicates that its peer has updated keys twice without awaiting
-a reciprocal update.  An endpoint MUST treat consecutive key updates as a fatal
-error and abort the connection.
-
-An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys for a period of no more than three times the
-PTO.  After this period, old keys and their corresponding secrets SHOULD be
-discarded.  Retaining keys allow endpoints to process packets that were sent
-with old keys and delayed in the network.  Packets with higher packet numbers
-always use the updated keys and MUST NOT be decrypted with old keys.
-
-This ensures that once the handshake is complete, packets with the same
-KEY_PHASE will have the same packet protection keys, unless there are multiple
-key updates in a short time frame succession and significant packet reordering.
+{{ex-key-update}} shows a key update process, with keys used identified with @M
+cannot be used until the endpoint has received and successfully decrypted a and

I'm failing to parse this sentence.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of
-specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}.
+## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The

Is this PR changing the label for key updates?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
 This mechanism replaces the TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST NOT send a
 TLS KeyUpdate message.  Endpoints MUST treat the receipt of a TLS KeyUpdate
 message as a connection error of type 0x10a, equivalent to a fatal TLS alert of
 unexpected_message (see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-An endpoint MUST NOT initiate the first key update until the handshake is
-confirmed ({{handshake-confirmed}}). An endpoint MUST NOT initiate a subsequent
-key update until it has received an acknowledgment for a packet sent at the
-current KEY_PHASE.  This can be implemented by tracking the lowest packet

The implementation guidance sentence (This can be implemented by...) has been removed, did you not consider it useful?

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation}
+
+Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing
+side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see
+{{header-protect-analysis}}).  Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in
+place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys
+will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove
+packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be
+rejected.
+
+The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
+reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
+an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
+bit in certain packets.  Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next

If the endpoint is deferring creation of the next set of keys, does that mean that it's not allowed to send ACKs for up to 3 * PTO? That can really impact performance.

I'm wondering if alternatively we should recommend creating the next set of keys as soon as the old keys have been discarded, it would remove the timing side-channel without causing delays.

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I guess the embedded assumption is that the following scenario does not become prevalent in the internet:

  • Server infrastructures generally do not support migration, meaning a 4-tuple based architecture is satisfactory;
  • As CIDs are irrelevant to switching, servers choose short CIDs, specifically to enable stateless reset; and
  • Clients generally do not take care to pad their small packets

It's hard to predict the future, but if the internet evolves this way we'll have enabled some bad outcomes. I'm disinclined to change the spec at this time, but we should aware of the implications of this evolution if it occurs.

Unless I've gotten someone more concerned than I am, I believe it's OK to close this issue. I'll do so in a couple of days if no one pipes up.

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That is not a good assumption.

I have redundant servers that respawn should one go down either due to an error, or more likely, a software upgrade. While these are behind load balancers that hide their address, this is not always the case.

Therefore, server migration could be a very real thing. Now, it is not necessarily trivial to pass state to fail-over servers, but it does happen.

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From nobody Thu Sep 19 14:31:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D1E120086 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:31:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.381 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.381 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3kVxPtOAUm5O for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63C1812006A for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 14:30:59 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568928659; bh=l+2f9EIn6gSbdQ8ljnwDv3caj2/P9Ny5xTDY9iFzWy4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=eQS4vZ2GpcuoNL3r6/wB46BFlWC+ObbEkVrPCMUSGP9UGf9nhC05T/zim1tKT+MpP jCOn03VIKW/oLqm5aDwf3lcL/717l9CqLHdx4Uc2YJ0yxczC+7JrFFOVKbL6aOxhgn mpX2wkZko6yel4kRfA1mAH6XnJGFYUvaX/8nHk7I= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clients send datagrams with 1200 byte payloads (#3051) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d83f393a7d04_550d3ff0642cd96042690"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 21:31:02 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d83f393a7d04_550d3ff0642cd96042690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was a bit unsure if the text meant 1200 or 1192 byte payloads. I think this is clearer. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3051 -- Commit Summary -- * Clients send datagrams with 1200 byte payloads -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (8) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3051.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3051.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3051 ----==_mimepart_5d83f393a7d04_550d3ff0642cd96042690 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I was a bit unsure if the text meant 1200 or 1192 byte payloads. I think this is clearer.

You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3051

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Not directly related to the change which is editorial, but why is it that 1200 only applies to Initial? Isn't it possible to coalesce Initial with random other packets and thereby work around this limit?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic
+handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers might need to
+parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name
+Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order
+to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.  If the
+ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer
+the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the
+client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY use
+the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
+partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address.  Though a packet
+larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the
+likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello

Related to "as acceptable as possible," should we try to recommend a minimum bound on fragments? (I'm reminded of data dribble, even though that's a different problem entirely.)

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@mikkelfj commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic
+handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers might need to
+parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name
+Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order
+to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.  If the
+ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer
+the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the
+client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY use
+the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
+partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address.  Though a packet
+larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the
+likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello

If this multiple packet initial thing lands, at least we should limit the packet count / time to arrival or provide guidance. Dribble (slow loris) can happen in fragments or just in many very small complete packets over a very long time.

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----==_mimepart_5d83fdf8a73ed_8b43fe832ecd95c107480-- From nobody Thu Sep 19 15:24:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5FD8120052 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:24:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q6X7tDDBvys0 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73B14120043 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64FB520990 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:24:54 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 15:24:54 -0700 From: martinduke Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Detectable Stateless Resets (#3032) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d840036978f8_15513f82122cd96c10467"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinduke X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:24:57 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d840036978f8_15513f82122cd96c10467 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm not talking about server migration, I"m talking about server support for client migration. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3032#issuecomment-533331525 ----==_mimepart_5d840036978f8_15513f82122cd96c10467 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'm not talking about server migration, I"m talking about server support for client migration.

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@mikkelfj I agree that the wording currently implies if a client bundles a 0-RTT packet with an Initial in a datagram, then it's ok for it to be less than 1200 bytes, which I don't believe is what we want?

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eck-eliciting -> ack-eliciting

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At the moment, section 8.1 states, quote: "Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets are sized to at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as necessary."

I think this is incorrect and that "only" should be dropped, as it excludes a UDP datagram that contains an Initial and a 0-RTT packet.

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@mikkelfj @ianswett I agree with the concern, and= have opened #3053 (before reading your comments here). I thin= k this PR can be kept an editorial issue while #3053 needs to be= a design issue.

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@marten-seemann requested changes on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1592,10 +1592,10 @@ magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
 addresses.  In determining this limit, servers only count the size of
 successfully processed packets.
 
-Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets are sized
-to at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as necessary.
-Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly constrained by
-the amplification restriction.
+Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets have
+payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as

I think this is less clear than it was before. There's a UDP payload and a QUIC payload, and it's not clear that you're referring to the UDP payload size here.

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----==_mimepart_5d8434279daa6_6af63fef78acd968908fa-- From nobody Thu Sep 19 22:58:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10958120026 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:58:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gNsO_6nw4B-9 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5806912006E for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65A49660449 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 22:58:50 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Detectable Stateless Resets (#3032) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d846a9a574ba_40dc3fdc330cd95c71447"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 05:58:54 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d846a9a574ba_40dc3fdc330cd95c71447 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinduke I think your nightmare scenario is very unlikely, as it requires the three bullets you mentioned, but also depends on the size of client connection IDs. I think we can assume that: - most browsers will use zero-length client connection IDs - most servers will use non-zero-length server connection IDs At that point it's extremely unlikely that NAT/firewall manufacturers will build the "remove port mapping when you observe a 20-byte packet" feature for a minority of traffic, it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of innovation in this space... -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3032#issuecomment-533418428 ----==_mimepart_5d846a9a574ba_40dc3fdc330cd95c71447 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinduke I think your nightmare scenario is very unlikely, as it requires the three bullets you mentioned, but also depends on the size of client connection IDs. I think we can assume that:

  • most browsers will use zero-length client connection IDs
  • most servers will use non-zero-length server connection IDs

At that point it's extremely unlikely that NAT/firewall manufacturers will build the "remove port mapping when you observe a 20-byte packet" feature for a minority of traffic, it's not like there's an overwhelming amount of innovation in this space...

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Technically a design change. I think that it should be any packets that contain Initial and don't contain Handshake or 1-RTT packets. At least, that's what I implemented.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of
-specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}.
+## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The

It might be. What is it now? (That's a serious question, because I can't tell.) I should open an issue.

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We've been back and forth on this issue for a while now and I honestly don't know what the answer is. #3050 picks a value that we haven't seen before, or we could - as I think some have assumed - use the TLS value of "traffic upd".

I think that because QUIC is managing this, it should be a quic-specific label.

See also #1845 and #1003.

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Thanks David.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -1168,89 +1168,232 @@ anticipation of receiving a ClientHello.
 
 # Key Update
 
-Once the handshake is confirmed, it is possible to update the keys. The
-KEY_PHASE bit in the short header is used to indicate whether key updates
-have occurred. The KEY_PHASE bit is initially set to 0 and then inverted
-with each key update.
+Once the 1-RTT keys are established and confirmed, it is possible to update the

I think that this is fine. The reason we needed that definition is that we were hanging a lot from it. This should however be referencing that definition, because it's handshake confirmation that I intended to use (but failed to).

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation}
+
+Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing
+side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see
+{{header-protect-analysis}}).  Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in
+place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys
+will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove
+packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be
+rejected.
+
+The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
+reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
+an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
+bit in certain packets.  Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next

This is READ keys, you update write keys immediately.

In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of
-specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}.
+## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The

See #3054.

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[ci skip] From nobody Thu Sep 19 23:51:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70611200C5 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:51:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LEmO0hIkjd1p for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 367D51200A3 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2ef7ba1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A98C1C05FA for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2019 23:51:17 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding requirement seems to be incorrect. (#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8476e56b3f9_6fb73fe9558cd95c40426"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:51:20 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8476e56b3f9_6fb73fe9558cd95c40426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'll note that I think there are other requirements formulated in other sections. Perhaps define a term such a minimal initial datagram size and have the requirement in one place rather than sprinkling 1200 bytes in multiple places where it can be difficult to get the finer points (such as UDP vs QUIC packets and with or without header size). For example section 14 in transport: > The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the first Initial packet MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by coalescing the Initial packet (see Section 12.2). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3053#issuecomment-533431679 ----==_mimepart_5d8476e56b3f9_6fb73fe9558cd95c40426 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'll note that I think there are other requirements formulated in other sections. Perhaps define a term such a minimal initial datagram size and have the requirement in one place rather than sprinkling 1200 bytes in multiple places where it can be difficult to get the finer points (such as UDP vs QUIC packets and with or without header size).

For example section 14 in transport:

The payload of a UDP datagram carrying the first Initial packet MUST be expanded to at least 1200 bytes, by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by coalescing the Initial packet (see Section 12.2).

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I think that because QUIC is managing this, it should be a quic-specific label.

I would not strongly suggest this, but I wonder if it be possible to define the derivation function inside QUIC too. If the labels are going to be different, it would be helpful to the readers to have all the definition in one place.

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+1 to clarifying what the label is. I don't have a strong opinion on what the label should be as long as it's in the quic-tls draft.

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----==_mimepart_5d849bd06e7f_44ae3fd6430cd95c1209c2-- From nobody Fri Sep 20 02:30:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 854111200A1 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 02:30:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_32=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2NUZ8UDzobsQ for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 02:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C48312008C for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 02:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 02:30:11 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1568971811; bh=g7NBjEWuHbBJidKUf1ZRSeKp2zo8xWcycEDAeKxckNY=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=YRQIgoKsvYjoNG3cOCbanEpn5fFuHq4Re2nzb9rcXP+I5i5djRt4qG5EeM2j4688J 3BNoDtS4usrmTEpbO+Nny4zDXTJXHhzfNETDGovBffvbtN9kUyTjVdheTx13Elh+k+ MF+QERI2BelbvdhhCb/DQWscAph/WjB9rjXk6Hm4= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite key update section (#3050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d849c23aaf57_74fd3f86ab8cd964658b7"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 09:30:15 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d849c23aaf57_74fd3f86ab8cd964658b7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit DavidSchinazi commented on this pull request. > + +## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation} + +Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing +side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see +{{header-protect-analysis}}). Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in +place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys +will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove +packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be +rejected. + +The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could +reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY perform this process as +part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by +an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase +bit in certain packets. Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3050#discussion_r326546464 ----==_mimepart_5d849c23aaf57_74fd3f86ab8cd964658b7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> +
+## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation}
+
+Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing
+side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see
+{{header-protect-analysis}}).  Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in
+place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys
+will generate no variation in the timing signal produced by attempting to remove
+packet protection, but all packets with an invalid Key Phase bit will be
+rejected.
+
+The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
+reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
+an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
+bit in certain packets.  Endpoints SHOULD instead defer the creation of the next

Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

>  
-In deciding when to update keys, endpoints MUST NOT exceed the limits for use of
-specific keys, as described in Section 5.5 of {{!TLS13}}.
+## Initiating a Key Update {#key-update-initiate}
+
+Endpoints maintain separate read and write secrets for packet protection.  An
+endpoint initiates a key update by updating its packet protection write secret
+and using that to protect new packets.  The endpoint creates a new write secret
+from the existing write secret as performed in Section 7.2 of {{!TLS13}}.  This
+uses the KDF function provided by TLS with a label of "quic ku".  The

I don't know what it is either, we haven't implemented key updates yet.

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In determining this limit, servers only count the size of successfully processed packets. -Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets are sized -to at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as necessary. -Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly constrained by -the amplification restriction. +Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets have +payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as I see your point, I added another UDP to remove the ambiguity. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3051#discussion_r326611670 ----==_mimepart_5d84cac669cea_418e3fd64c6cd95c151365 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -1592,10 +1592,10 @@ magnitude of any amplification attack that can be mounted using spoofed source
 addresses.  In determining this limit, servers only count the size of
 successfully processed packets.
 
-Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets are sized
-to at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as necessary.
-Sending padded datagrams ensures that the server is not overly constrained by
-the amplification restriction.
+Clients MUST ensure that UDP datagrams containing only Initial packets have
+payloads of at least 1200 bytes, adding padding to packets in the datagram as

I see your point, I added another UDP to remove the ambiguity.

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----==_mimepart_5d84cac669cea_418e3fd64c6cd95c151365-- From nobody Fri Sep 20 06:07:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C7E1200FB for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:07:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YLguz-AgmbHy for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78C6512003F for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-292e294.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.102.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85CE1C256B for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 06:07:04 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding requirement seems to be incorrect. (#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d84cef89856f_6bf43fc2b80cd9642110ae"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 13:07:07 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d84cef89856f_6bf43fc2b80cd9642110ae Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @martinthomson What you implemented should be fine. However, Initial + 0-RTT coalesced in a datagram should be padded I believe and I don't think we're clear on that today. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3053#issuecomment-533546680 ----==_mimepart_5d84cef89856f_6bf43fc2b80cd9642110ae Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@martinthomson What you implemented should be fine. However, Initial + 0-RTT coalesced in a datagram should be padded I believe and I don't think we're clear on that today.

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I also agree the label should be explicitly defined in the quic-tls spec. I do like Kazuho's suggestion as well, to completely define the derivation function. I don't care too much what the label is. We were using traffic udp (and interop'ing with it).

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Sep 20 08:52:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2896B12024E for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:52:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Fr05t7IXFLb for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA4AA120019 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06649520847 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:52:21 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:52:20 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Remove Requirement of an Acknowledgement per Round Trip (#3030) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d84f5b4ec3fb_13f53ffd7eacd968847d2"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 15:52:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d84f5b4ec3fb_13f53ffd7eacd968847d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is changing text in a SHOULD statement, so I believe it should be marked as design. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This is changing text in a SHOULD statement, so I believe it should be marked as design.

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----==_mimepart_5d84f5b4ec3fb_13f53ffd7eacd968847d2-- From nobody Fri Sep 20 17:49:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B990120916 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:49:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VHHDa6bU9zYs for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 369C6120912 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 17:49:48 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569026988; bh=QMIsGx6SD2l7KncBnnSw2ZZkUlXOOwZLCuCioaHKZU4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=0IfsiIIeEt+44Uh7qAt9+zZzutF+2GcwYIEQ40wL8eztP7C+d7M2MbyUNfnpvJslD TZik1QrMu5WoSoBCDrE0oSDGqqE76QKO7yrO/lj3Htoe6ou2CvGY2I+XPlh3tPj9zy 7TsHWj6vQcIFvDm/8Tsebif6sCPGMfKCzX9DZNXo= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding requirement seems to be incorrect. (#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8573ac67968_2b13fa0a70cd9601154bf"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 00:49:51 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8573ac67968_2b13fa0a70cd9601154bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It might be simpler to require every UDP packet that contains an Initial be padded to at least 1200? I'm worried that only requiring that of Initial if there is no Handshake/1-RTT present might be tricky on the receiver: what do I do if I receive a non-padded Initial with Handshake but I can't decrypt the Handshake data? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3053#issuecomment-533753588 ----==_mimepart_5d8573ac67968_2b13fa0a70cd9601154bf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

It might be simpler to require every UDP packet that contains an Initial be padded to at least 1200?

I'm worried that only requiring that of Initial if there is no Handshake/1-RTT present might be tricky on the receiver: what do I do if I receive a non-padded Initial with Handshake but I can't decrypt the Handshake data?

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Why would a server use a connection ID if stuck with a 4-tuple based infrastructure? The only reason is to allow stateless resets, which only requires a byte.

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I think that it should be any packets that contain Initial and don't contain Handshake or 1-RTT packets.

What we are talking here is a requirement specific to clients, and I am not sure if a client has a chance of sending Initial and Handshake packets at the same time. Quoting Section 4.9.1 of the TLS draft, "a client MUST discard Initial keys when it first sends a Handshake packet."

And even if there is a possibility of a client sending Initial and Handshake at the same moment, I do not think requiring the client to pad a packet that contains only an Initial is correct, as coalescing is an optional behavior to the send side. It would mean that clients coalescing the QUIC packets would send a non-padded packet, while clients not coalescing would send a padded Initial packet. That seems like an odd behavior.

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As of #2806, if the client's Initial is lost, there is no required behavior that leads to it being retransmitted. Because the client has received no ACKs, no loss_time is set, and no loss is detected, leading to the client only sending probe packets, which are not required to bear any particular data ("A probe packet MAY carry retransmitted unacknowledged data") so long as they are ACK-eliciting. The server, having no established connection state, cannot do anything with these packets.

Quinn probes are currently a single PING frame (plus padding, when appropriate) for simplicity, so implementing the new logic immediately broke our tests. If recovery logic now requires probe packets to bear specific data to function correctly in certain circumstances, this should be specified explicitly.

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I also hit this issue too. After several hours tries and error, I came to the conclusion that implementation should mark the in-flight Initial packet lost in this case, and resend it. Draft-22 has explicit statement that implementation should not mark in-flight crypto packet lost, but draft-23 does not have it anymore.
BTW, draft-23 does not allow PING in Initial or Handshake packet.

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----==_mimepart_5d85a7ffa0db2_50653fc2e4ecd95c1592b1-- From nobody Fri Sep 20 21:53:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11B8120052 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:53:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O135q4iXTXag for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 680E812004F for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 21:53:35 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569041615; bh=xs7s8ySHxYYyWDgot2qnSiNeswDGdJrSbm/AxO1I7lE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=ZJED4pvFPBcKTk9zYyUf0q3fdGxfFcuW9pEZPh5tATr4rWZth0xm7K9umKqmOnSzA V4yUngiHvs5Jdd1evvNRQXC0wGKI67qU+GCzYVMWHyigE0R3tpx1/AlG+1Kwz3qkwX XVhJOcT1ejgLiajdb4b/uLF1AjQp4QfD2XXMsKeQ= From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost client Initial is never retransmitted (#3056) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d85accf66be9_38c3f8306ecd95c2137ad"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 04:53:38 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d85accf66be9_38c3f8306ecd95c2137ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > implementation should mark the in-flight Initial packet lost Why not retransmit the data without declaring the in-flight packet lost? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3056#issuecomment-533767769 ----==_mimepart_5d85accf66be9_38c3f8306ecd95c2137ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

implementation should mark the in-flight Initial packet lost

Why not retransmit the data without declaring the in-flight packet lost?

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[ci skip] From nobody Fri Sep 20 22:22:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 589F1120096 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MkHmInMwpmCu for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 16AB3120052 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-f045d1f.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.54]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 278C0A0054 for ; Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:22:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2019 22:22:42 -0700 From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Lost client Initial is never retransmitted (#3056) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d85b3a2183bb_2be3fbf750cd964218160"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Sep 2019 05:22:44 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d85b3a2183bb_2be3fbf750cd964218160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it is rather implementation detail to internally mark in-flight packet lost but keep it in order to catch late ACK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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I think it is rather implementation detail to internally mark in-flight packet lost but keep it in order to catch late ACK.

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There's a related problem where if the server's first flight goes missing, the only response the new logic has is to send a probe at unspecified, i.e. highest known, encryption level. The server will generally have 1-RTT keys at this point, so it sends a 1-RTT probe, which the client, not having received anything prior, cannot decrypt and drops.

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----==_mimepart_5d869369564a1_43de3fb2882cd95c59054e-- From nobody Sun Sep 22 16:39:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FAB120074 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:39:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WeLOSHSlPUT0 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CC85120024 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:39:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 16:39:42 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569195582; bh=HkZGWtTQxTi4Im0I5cEq+YHxJ7BkoSY+6ioLoiVY0o4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=MWmdCZlzVchidw9il5Ol43CGKocIn8epUXCvREwiL9tjR7/7SZrmDyglnUNj/H7Qw 9jGzXjDJNuNUfyEKBw9fIeG7e79ILRuIvIAqyKKg7y2sSSZZjWgEYlCi2R4afyzNbv rPk6vFjelBy5gCVck6g0PJWOr6Ew3qC8p8EB4zVs= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding requirement seems to be incorrect. (#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d88063e17b36_7b423ff4d36cd95c119112"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 23:39:45 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d88063e17b36_7b423ff4d36cd95c119112 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I am not sure if a client has a chance of sending Initial and Handshake packets at the same time And yet another issue gets sucked into the wormhole that is the key discard mess. I guess that we will have to make a final determination based on the outcome of that stuff. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3053#issuecomment-533928935 ----==_mimepart_5d88063e17b36_7b423ff4d36cd95c119112 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I am not sure if a client has a chance of sending Initial and Handshake packets at the same time

And yet another issue gets sucked into the wormhole that is the key discard mess. I guess that we will have to make a final determination based on the outcome of that stuff.

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----==_mimepart_5d88063e17b36_7b423ff4d36cd95c119112-- From nobody Sun Sep 22 19:39:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CF61200EF for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:39:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h4-fmdnrQF-J for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA7C1120041 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:39:39 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569206379; bh=x2SOnynJvR4adsX9snqsQABrDOODzCcvAOpT9y/wwtk=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ie+8pGj/sYS+88C3Cwpc8na7zCBg5mg9DyJv44IB3fbDtWba8NJ6H/gpM+QPtgtzT ePZZ7DGey6UMYgfW3SrQuskPmfebnAsUcIKQPBIravbyQdGdD19OSsktI4K9OyAYTf h05OZtU8GoCOwJ2dGuEPXmPuZePjRiRuZUXMHgHw= From: Martin Thomson Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding requirement seems to be incorrect. (#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d88306bb5ff5_273b3fb3278cd95c22954b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: martinthomson X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 02:39:43 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d88306bb5ff5_273b3fb3278cd95c22954b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On consideration, I think that the requirement is simple and we don't have to stress about interactions with discarding keys. If the packet contains an Initial, it's possible that the Initial packet is the only packet that can be used by a server. Therefore, the datagram should be padded to 1200, regardless of whatever else is included. So we strike the "only" and we're good. See 6cfcbe26385f17072ccd330aea619f65bf3bdcb4. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3053#issuecomment-533944616 ----==_mimepart_5d88306bb5ff5_273b3fb3278cd95c22954b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

On consideration, I think that the requirement is simple and we don't have to stress about interactions with discarding keys. If the packet contains an Initial, it's possible that the Initial packet is the only packet that can be used by a server. Therefore, the datagram should be padded to 1200, regardless of whatever else is included.

So we strike the "only" and we're good. See 6cfcbe2.

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There's a difference between defining the function and providing a much clearer example of what the function is for TLS 1.3. I've chosen the latter on the basis that the cryptographic handshake function provides us with a KDF and that we shouldn't be making our own if we can avoid it. If TLS 1.4 wants to use a different KDF, then that will be used here instead.

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I wonder - if 0-RTT does not have huge certificates, would it not make sense to permit small packets in this case, provided the auth token validates. But in other cases 1200 bytes must be provided. But since 0-RTT might fail, this could then require a retransmission. Restrained devices might be prefer the latter.

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@erickinnear pushed 2 commits.

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@gorryfair, I've now pushed some updates that try to make this clearer, another look and comments would be most welcome! (I expect this will take some iterating, but let's start with what's there and improve it.)

@mikkelfj I've added a paragraph about blind active attackers (which are probably off-path since it's hard to not see the packets if you're on-path).

Overall, I've kept the distinction of on-path vs. off-path, and referenced the definition for such in RFC 3552 which may help make things a bit clearer.

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Added a few paragraphs describing general active and passive attacks in the context of RFC 3552 and more clearly defined off-path and on-path attackers to follow the definition established by that document. This will likely still take some iteration, but it should be mostly ready for that, comments welcome!

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -5753,13 +5753,184 @@ DecodePacketNumber(largest_pn, truncated_pn, pn_nbits):
    return candidate_pn
 ~~~
 
+# Overview of Security Properties {#security-properties}

Thanks! I've moved it up and updated the text to refer to it as such.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> +properties as an aid to implementors and to help guide protocol analysis.
+
+We cover properties of the handshake, general transport, and migration
+separately.
+
+## Handshake {#handshake-properties}
+
+TBD.
+
+## Short Headers {#short-headers-properties}
+
+TBD.
+
+## Connection Migration {#migration-properties}
+
+Connection Migration ({{migration}}) provides endpoints with the ability to

Open to moving it around / trimming it down a bit. Mostly I wanted a place so if you read this you've got links and references to the appropriate sections, but without going beyond a sentence or three.

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----==_mimepart_5d887bf44f165_4de83fbb792cd96c258355-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 01:29:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E8D120121 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 01:29:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XiDdn8R4LjPD for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 01:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-18.smtp.github.com (out-18.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.201]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84568120106 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 01:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 01:29:20 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569227360; bh=ueqVHa3GMQ+u7se+r1vTos43sYasURXuwByCXgIaOy0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=vxajwdxDOOgL8+wefJv3Xxmi3jC8h0PVZRC79dOhydoZTOKqR5TYf3iBjgzWXFunJ Ol0lCZMRAw1IAi4teVZBWSOMU2596TjLKr/mSdKSqd91BcX2lz5n9O25hgsPXkMXG1 nvLnvQFub9w7xfV9WxgXadqRe7h0jj0yc5lX4LAA= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Be more conservative about migration? (#2143) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d888260ce17c_2ba43fd96bacd968104394"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:24 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d888260ce17c_2ba43fd96bacd968104394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @erickinnear that makes sense. I just read the section on blind attacks. You mention it is not likely to successful which is probably true, but the reason is not limited to what you state. There is a lot of pain in path migration/discovery to avoid blind attacks being successful in hijacking or interrupting connections (I don't recall all the details). -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2143#issuecomment-534005029 ----==_mimepart_5d888260ce17c_2ba43fd96bacd968104394 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@erickinnear that makes sense. I just read the section on blind attacks. You mention it is not likely to successful which is probably true, but the reason is not limited to what you state. There is a lot of pain in path migration/discovery to avoid blind attacks being successful in hijacking or interrupting connections (I don't recall all the details).

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Fixes #3056

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The packets should not be marked as lost, but data needs to be retransmitted before sending a PING.

I sent out a PR #3057, feel free to make further suggestions there.

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@Ralith commented on this pull request.

Will the larger PTO packets this produces (often MTU-sized instead of minimally-sized) adversely affect performance under heavy congestion?

Do we also need to add logic guiding the level at which a PTO is sent? Quinn currently always sends PTOs at the highest encryption level for which keys are known, which under the current logic would make loss of any part of the server's first flight unrecoverable.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,12 +526,11 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST
+be sent.  It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.

This example only applies to implementations that can usefully process acknowledgements for packets they've already deemed lost and retransmitted the contents of, which I don't think is required. Is there a more common case?

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,12 +526,11 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST
+be sent.  It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.

This is a fairly common case in our implementation, so I think it's a good example.

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Under "Handshakes and New Paths", it says "Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData". I moved that down to this section, since I think it fits slightly better here.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Sep 23 08:29:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A85461200C1 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4wJTioOb3eUy for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-13.smtp.github.com (out-13.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3209B120018 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB8BA261646 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 08:29:14 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible (#3057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d88e4ca9424f_6db43fb22b0cd95c143417"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:29:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d88e4ca9424f_6db43fb22b0cd95c143417 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In terms of packet size, this is similar to what the old Handshake text recommended and what PTO should have said all along, as it aligns well with TCP's TLP and RTO behavior. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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In terms of packet size, this is similar to what the old Handshake text recommended and what PTO should have said all along, as it aligns well with TCP's TLP and RTO behavior.

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@Ralith commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,12 +526,11 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST
+be sent.  It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.

Maybe note that this is optional behavior? I know if I was reading this for the first time, I'd try to work out where it was required and get confused.

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The previous text read like it only described retransmission of lost data, and this now reads like it only describes retransmission in PTOs. Are both intended?

Is there a restriction anywhere that retransmitted data must not be sent at a higher encryption level than it was originally sent, or similar?

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All of this text is in the PTO section, so only applies to PTO.

I think transport is usually the best place to talk about where data is retransmitted, but it might be worth an editorial note that data is never retransmitted at a different packet number space than the original one.

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There are multiple mentions of spurious retransmission in the recovery draft, but no text on what detecting this may require from an implementation. Maybe there should be?

"Spuriously declaring packets as lost leads to unnecessary retransmissions and may result in degraded performance due to the actions of the congestion controller upon detecting loss. Implementations that detect spurious retransmissions and increase the reordering threshold in packets or time MAY choose to start with smaller initial reordering thresholds to minimize recovery latency."

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,12 +526,11 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST
+be sent.  It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.

It probably should be recommended behavior, and we should probably have some text on it. Filed #3058 to discuss if and what to do to improve that.

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Some discussion of implementation strategies here would absolutely be helpful; it doesn't obviously fall out of Quinn's current architecture.

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----==_mimepart_5d891ac2aa964_25f83fc8c8ecd968621cf-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 15:32:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 463C9120045 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:32:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UE7PYOnGQedU for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9FD4C120044 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:32:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 15:32:34 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569277954; bh=ZbytNdO85Ci2jigqvfj2lpQg2zjucSYkbMdljbIaSQ4=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=nXMeN0hyxSWsXStrvT2IAmHDQ77Nwb6e5pSJ2FljPDC6ZSdtl2xEeMXtshhOCUorS Zcgl6z5jcktWD4dt1u2Ii7duxHYCjVsieLM0xqWSWSn03A5hNzZ505HaWPi3RAlMjv pjiDtp3NMArLqN3YUg0CtnSh+brZI9fEn1+R0bJw= From: Peter Wu Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] http: syntax fixes for quic Alt-Svc parameter (#3059) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d894802bbf2e_4a933fdcefccd95c1141a5"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Lekensteyn X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 22:32:37 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d894802bbf2e_4a933fdcefccd95c1141a5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Following https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838#section-3, the Alt-Svc parameter value can be unquoted. Do not further restrict that grammar and use the correct ABNF syntax to express repetition. Fix the Reserved frame type link. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3059 -- Commit Summary -- * http: syntax fixes for quic Alt-Svc parameter -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (9) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3059.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3059.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3059 ----==_mimepart_5d894802bbf2e_4a933fdcefccd95c1141a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Following https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838#section-3, the Alt-Svc
parameter value can be unquoted. Do not further restrict that grammar
and use the correct ABNF syntax to express repetition.

Fix the Reserved frame type link.

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----==_mimepart_5d894802bbf2e_4a933fdcefccd95c1141a5-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 16:00:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07F5120045 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:00:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qPP1d__4dCha for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DD7D12004C for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:00:36 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569279636; bh=++/Ra1mwoHyp+s6cep4IrZgtK54KhUp3gQ48qd++ByU=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:Subject:List-ID:List-Archive:List-Post: List-Unsubscribe:From; b=dE/al7JtJf2TfwC2DtKrEle8Eii7EdmKlJAMD6891u/n5Qe8T0RehZwE3xoqHPt56 HMLsf9PLZrAuKccTOu/TleRKYXedb84H2sKE5URnJLToxrmcGJejgDSHREZjOTtuCw fOQHFYZpb5QCAw6Ph7wRx0STNzcCpM8Kc7di9Or0= From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Clarify how servers enable 0-RTT (#3060) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d894e9487e6_7773fc5424cd960147136"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 23:00:39 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d894e9487e6_7773fc5424cd960147136 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The current text was unclear to me: how does one enforce a MUST on TLS? The updated text hopefully clarifies that it's legal for a server to send a NewSessionTicket without the "early_data" extension - that indicates that the server supports resumption but not 0-RTT, as it does in TLS. You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3060 -- Commit Summary -- * Clarify how servers enable 0-RTT -- File Changes -- M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (12) -- Patch Links -- https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3060.patch https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3060.diff -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3060 ----==_mimepart_5d894e9487e6_7773fc5424cd960147136 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

The current text was unclear to me: how does one enforce a MUST on TLS? The updated text hopefully clarifies that it's legal for a server to send a NewSessionTicket without the "early_data" extension - that indicates that the server supports resumption but not 0-RTT, as it does in TLS.

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  • Clarify how servers enable 0-RTT

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There is some baggage with this parameter - #1093

People were a bit grumpy with changing their parser 18 months ago, I think they might be even grumpier now that we have even more client implementations in the wild.

What is the benefit of this change? I think we need an issue for due process and discussion.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

I don't get this example. In this example, you have sent something, it was received, end of story.

The new text above says that you can't arm PTO if you have nothing to send (MUST NOT even). Which did you mean?

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Oh joy. This caused me to go look at our parser in Chrome, and realized we're still doing the old (pre 1097) quic=;quic= format. So Chrome has work to do no matter how we resolve this.

That being said, I'd really rather not have two different ways to do this, so +1 to @LPardue 's comment on the motivation.

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----==_mimepart_5d895500b9c29_32353fddc7acd96c928ba-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 16:34:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E20F9120090 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:34:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ezcP17PF1Y5I for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 78A60120045 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-39b4a70.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.16.66]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8EB8C06B6 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:34:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:34:20 -0700 From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible (#3057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d89567c9fb72_7fe93ff0792cd964283d3"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 23:34:23 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d89567c9fb72_7fe93ff0792cd964283d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralith commented on this pull request. > -When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other -ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer. +It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. +As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data +is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, +and then the original transmission is acknowledged. When there is no data to +send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single +packet, re-arming the PTO timer. In this case, the second packet is ack-eliciting and has not been acknowledged, eventually leading to a probe timeout. However, there is no unsent or sent-but-unacknowledged ack-eliciting data available to send, so a `PING` is fabricated instead. Perhaps "there is new or previously sent data" should be more specific? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3057#discussion_r327373408 ----==_mimepart_5d89567c9fb72_7fe93ff0792cd964283d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@Ralith commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

In this case, the second packet is ack-eliciting and has not been acknowledged, eventually leading to a probe timeout. However, there is no unsent or sent-but-unacknowledged ack-eliciting data available to send, so a PING is fabricated instead.

Perhaps "there is new or previously sent data" should be more specific?

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I can remove the additional unquoted token change and keep this PR purely as editorial fix. Before the PR, the current text does not have correct ABNF grammar.

I added the unquoted token variant since it is permitted (but not required) by the grammar at https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838#section-3

parameter = token "=" ( token / quoted-string )

Since HTTP/3 over QUIC is not the only user of this Alt-Svc header, I can imagine that generic parsers are written such that they already understand the unquoted token value. Thus, adding support for this should not be an additional burden?

I have no strong opinion here. The additional CPU cost of handling both unquoted and quoted forms should be neglible. Disallowing the unquoted form is a restriction of the RFC 7838 grammar.

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draft-quic-http defines QUIC Version Hints. This allows the server to indicate which versions of quic-transport it prefers. However, there is no guidance as to what to do in the absence of such hints.

If a client receives Alt-Svc: h3=":443" (without any hints), is it expected to start with QUIC version 1, or with the client's preferred QUIC version?

If a client receives Alt-Svc: h3-23=":443", is it expected to start with 0xff000017 (draft-ietf-quic-transport-23)?

We may want to provide guidance in draft-quic-http to ensure everyone's on the same page.

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----==_mimepart_5d895a09c7bbb_26893f81c6ccd968471b3-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 16:53:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAF421201DB for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:53:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ecP0SYWGuLgc for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3A55120111 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2D41660773 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:53:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 16:53:27 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect version number from draft number (#3062) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d895af7b46b0_76953ff9d9acd95c19103a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 23:53:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d895af7b46b0_76953ff9d9acd95c19103a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As the documents are becoming more mature, the amount of protocol-level changes is going down. Would it make sense to start disconnecting the protocol versions ([ALPN](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-23#section-3.1) `h3-23`, [transport version](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-23#section-15) `0xff000017`) from the draft numbers (i.e. `draft-ietf-quic-http-23`, `draft-ietf-quic-transport-23`)? This correlation caused a few headaches in the final stages of TLS 1.3 standardization, it would be nice not to repeat that here. (This was discussed a while back, and is not my idea, but is now the right time?) -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3062 ----==_mimepart_5d895af7b46b0_76953ff9d9acd95c19103a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

As the documents are becoming more mature, the amount of protocol-level changes is going down. Would it make sense to start disconnecting the protocol versions (ALPN h3-23, transport version 0xff000017) from the draft numbers (i.e. draft-ietf-quic-http-23, draft-ietf-quic-transport-23)?

This correlation caused a few headaches in the final stages of TLS 1.3 standardization, it would be nice not to repeat that here.

(This was discussed a while back, and is not my idea, but is now the right time?)

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----==_mimepart_5d895af7b46b0_76953ff9d9acd95c19103a-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 17:04:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F6E9120098 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uqJEm9NhVcPu for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-19.smtp.github.com (out-19.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADACD120045 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 17:04:28 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569283468; bh=+oTM4PCtqJQg1mde1sSDdB9zlujrCu2U5rTNT85eEzg=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Ngpv7r8L9j1lJRuE/+sRA+KYLQ/WlmO4j9QA8Obs4oSLCSenvCBu29QjEfyP9qko8 jxtXNdD2ylIfc/TaEC9AbytuvAlIoYxCeFQiWYKdMW7oOfitPbU7N/xOJvLMjvYBwE iBGm0TpA0Udijn4i3RTH/1l+RlA0iOTLsoSTioEE= From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http: syntax fixes for quic Alt-Svc parameter (#3059) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d895d8cc797b_3ca73fda64ecd96049946"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 00:04:32 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d895d8cc797b_3ca73fda64ecd96049946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Let's create a new issue. You're correct that non-HTTP/3 implementations might need to handle this - hence the original issue which related back to structured headers (an attempt at defining some best practice in this regard -https://github.com/httpwg/http-extensions/issues/281). Part of the problem is not CPU cost of DQUOTEs but expressing "a list of versions" and making sure that implementations know how to do that. Alt-Svc defines the parameter syntax but not how to handle repetition of parameters. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3059#issuecomment-534331561 ----==_mimepart_5d895d8cc797b_3ca73fda64ecd96049946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Let's create a new issue.

You're correct that non-HTTP/3 implementations might need to handle this - hence the original issue which related back to structured headers (an attempt at defining some best practice in this regard -httpwg/http-extensions#281).

Part of the problem is not CPU cost of DQUOTEs but expressing "a list of versions" and making sure that implementations know how to do that. Alt-Svc defines the parameter syntax but not how to handle repetition of parameters.

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I'm sympathetic to the point that is being made here but I don't know how solvable it is.

HTTP/3 has been quite independent of QUIC version for a while, so its been funny watching if move in lock step with transport.

On the one hand, there are implications to changing the alt-svc identifier, which makes migration a little annoying. But on the other hand we just made a breaking changes between h3-22 and h3-23.

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I happy to be proven wrong but it seems like noone uses this parameter and it raises all sorts of questions. I'm leaning towards killing it off.

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The Version Hints presumably exist to avoid one roundtrip for the Version Negotiation packet. Thus without hints, a client could probably decide to use any version it supports (1 or whatever latest version it desires to use).

FWIW Google uses alt-svc, but I do not remember seeing the version hint parameters. For example:

$ curl -sI https://google.com | grep alt-svc
alt-svc: quic=":443"; ma=2592000; v="46,43,39"

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in this case the "v" parameter is comparable to the "quic" parameter

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Right, but that v is a parameter on its own whereas quic is a parameter value in the current -http draft.

Removing the quic parameter was previously suggested in #297, but that did not seem to proceed.

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I removed the single quote change, this should be a purely editorial fix now. I'll create a new issue for the unquoted parameter value.

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@LPardue I also lean towards killing it off. However, that would prevent us from doing something like:

h3=":443", quic="1,2"

At some future date when we have QUICv1 and QUICv2 and we want to support HTTP/3 over either of them. Does that seem problematic?

Of course, if the alpn continues to imply the transport version and HTTP+QUICv2 == HTTP/4 then we wouldn't ever need to advertise this.

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According to https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838#section-3, the Alt-Svc parameter value can be unquoted:

    parameter = token "=" ( token / quoted-string )

This means that this can be written:

alt-svc: h3=":443";quic=1

instead of only:

alt-svc: h3=":443";quic="1"

The current text in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-23#section-3.2.1 forbids the unquoted variant which is an additional constraint on the RFC 7838 grammar. Should unquoted quic parameter values also be permitted?

Note that this does not change the situation when multiple versions are supported since an unquoted "token" type is not allowed to contain commas.

See also the discussion in #3059.

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That's a compelling argument, I'm just concerned that we aren't seeing this used much today and so when the time comes that you'll need it, it won't work as we all hoped. Perhaps we could defer the quic parameter until v2 - similar to other VN related issues.

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I'm marking this design because it adds some normative language, though I'll note that it doesn't change what I originally intended the text to say.

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Perhaps we could defer the quic parameter until v2 - similar to other VN related issues.

I think the question is if we expect changes in the application protocol (i.e. HTTP/3) when we define QUIC v2.

If we suspect that H3 would remain as-is for QUIC v2 (I'd assume that would be the case if v2 is going to be greasing or multi-path), then it would be reasonable to define the transport version identifier of the Alt-Svc header in H3.

If we are uncertain, I do agree that it might be a good idea to defer it.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

I think this kind of situation only happens when client sent Initial and received its ACK but either sever Initial or Handshake was lost. Client then literally has nothing to send. And forced to send ack-eliciting frame (and controversially, draft-23 does not allow PING here).

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

In this example, the point is that in order to remove the retransmission from byte in flight, you SHOULD send a PING and when it's acknowledged, you'll know whether the retransmission was lost or not. Ideally it'll be ACKed on its own before the PTO fires.

The above text is about the server's amplification factor and not arming the alarm when "If no data can be sent"

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The idea would be to update the protocol version in a new draft if any breaking change was made, but not when only editorial changes were made.

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----==_mimepart_5d896f7c583f9_201d3faf04ecd9641203d6-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 18:21:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D01F9120045 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:21:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pJX5986MTHfX for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 200FD120024 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 18:21:09 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569288069; bh=0zgDIiONbH3ogyvQs/s+puEdOtlGOi5559Rxc57As1Q=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=wCNrjx1CHFKIAj/73SacHOQqJcAtAXqjbJR1bX73wVYukHd7UeCBnvbVil0JB5Ffj p2lsgX6fgVbP22sV7FBUHy6R6uRNFRpN0I4tyOYvpFtsFUR05ygOijYjYZIDcNPz3E j/adhUFQGuinK2/IoYnUttjYoMSWo2Ozdyq0xCJk= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Padding requirement seems to be incorrect. (#3053) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d896f8551df0_6da63f98f04cd95c46817"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 01:21:12 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d896f8551df0_6da63f98f04cd95c46817 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @mikkelfj Regardless of 0-RTT, for bandwidth constrained deployments, it makes sense to _always_ send a small packet and let the server validate the path. That said, the chartered goal of V1 is to reduce the connection establishment latency, and we have explicitly decided to require clients to send full-sized packets until the path is validated. I do not think we should revisit that design. Maybe we can in v2. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3053#issuecomment-534346725 ----==_mimepart_5d896f8551df0_6da63f98f04cd95c46817 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@mikkelfj Regardless of 0-RTT, for bandwidth constrained deployments, it makes sense to always send a small packet and let the server validate the path.

That said, the chartered goal of V1 is to reduce the connection establishment latency, and we have explicitly decided to require clients to send full-sized packets until the path is validated. I do not think we should revisit that design. Maybe we can in v2.

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We also have a hard time testing this today - there is no standard legal valid combination of "h3-N" and quic versions that would allow a client to select one QUIC version over another. Perhaps this was a motivator for #3062?

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RFC 7838 allows unquoted strings, but there's nothing preventing new specifications of Alt-Svc parameters from being more restrictive. I'm not sure the added flexibility of allowing unquoted versions buys us much here, and it comes at an implementation cost.

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That makes sense. For HTTP/3 we'd need to rephrase https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-23#section-3.1 slig= htly (but that is not a huge problem because the section will be deleted = in the final version anyway). In the interest of sanity, I might suggest = that the HTTP/3 identifier simply reflects the wireprotocol version, and = is explicitly tied to it. For example, if we were to freeze on 0xff000017= , then the ALPN becomes h3-ff000017 (give or take some prett= ifying). This would sidestep the discussion takign place on #3061<= /a> but with the possible cost of duplication.

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[ci skip] From nobody Mon Sep 23 19:06:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98671200DF for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:06:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WSo9bIiLVg0T for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-17.smtp.github.com (out-17.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAB821200E0 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-edec459.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.32]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03FA56E04D1 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:06:14 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:06:13 -0700 From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible (#3057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d897a15e9ae7_301d3f84502cd9685836a"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 02:06:17 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d897a15e9ae7_301d3f84502cd9685836a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralith commented on this pull request. > @@ -526,15 +524,16 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. -It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. As -an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is -sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and -then the original transmission is acknowledged. In the absence of any new -application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new -or previously-sent data to send. +When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST Does "previously sent" here mean in-flight/unacknowledged, or literally any historical data? Does "data" mean ack-eliciting frames specifically? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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@Ralith commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,15 +524,16 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST

Does "previously sent" here mean in-flight/unacknowledged, or literally any historical data?

Does "data" mean ack-eliciting frames specifically?

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@LPardue I'm not sure it sidesteps. Instead, I think it might turn out as a practical way of testing the "quic" attribute of Alt-Svc.

Wire versions of the transport and the application protocol would not change in the same versions. Consider the case where http-24 remains wire-compatible with -23 (hence ALPN=h3-23), while the transport-24 making breaking changes.

In such case, to avoid the use of VN, the server is going to send Alt-Svc: h3-23=":443"; quic="ff000018".

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An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. -It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. As -an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is -sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and -then the original transmission is acknowledged. In the absence of any new -application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new -or previously-sent data to send. +When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST I changed it to previously sent unacknowledged data, because that is the intent, though it's also a bit verbose. Data is used fairly widely to mean ack-eliciting frames in this document. 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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,15 +524,16 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST

I changed it to previously sent unacknowledged data, because that is the intent, though it's also a bit verbose.

Data is used fairly widely to mean ack-eliciting frames in this document. I'm not sure if that is something we should codify in the definitions section?

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My proposal was imperfect but I was attempting to avoid having to maintain some out of band matrix somewhere that lists what draft versions of H3 are compatible with what draft versions of QUIC, and also avoid gaps in the H3 apln identifier space.

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While I am fine with allowing PING frames in Initial and Handshake, I wonder what the benefit is.

IIUC, the reason of sending PINGs in case of PTO is to determine if a previously sent ack-eliciting packet has reached the peer. That is determined by the peer sending an ACK.

However, in case of Initial and Handshake packets, the only case when PTO fires and you do not have any data to send is when the endpoints are ready to switch to the next epoch. To rephrase, I think there might be a high chance of the endpoint not receiving an ACK due to the peer dropping the Initial keys (or the Handshake keys).

Considering that, I am not sure if it is a good advice to suggest endpoints send PINGs on PTO. Rather, I think it might be worthwhile to suggest that when discarding a packet number space, unconfirmed loss does not affect the CWND.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,10 +496,8 @@ be considered an RTT sample.
 
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of
 data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
-data has been received from the client.
+If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until data has
+been received from the client.

Do you mean "until the path has been validated"? "data" is highly non-specific.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

>  
-When there is no data to send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other
-ack-eliciting frame in a single packet, re-arming the PTO timer.
+It is possible the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.
+As an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data
+is sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet,
+and then the original transmission is acknowledged.  When there is no data to
+send, the sender SHOULD send a PING or other ack-eliciting frame in a single
+packet, re-arming the PTO timer.

Still not working for me.

I get the need for the client to send extra Initial packets again in the case where it has nothing to say, but that should be a special provision.

If p1 is acknowledged and p2 contained nothing new, then let it lie. You don't need to know whether it was lost or not.

I get that this packet will stay outstanding unless you have something new to say, but you are only sending a PING to deal with an accounting discrepancy. That only becomes relevant when you go to send the next packet. Is there any way that this sort of blip can end up consuming the entire congestion window?

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----==_mimepart_5d898201cb69_2a763fa2928cd95c589a9-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 19:43:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9901200EC for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:43:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pGMDwI67lEog for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 27688120086 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 19:43:31 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569293011; bh=scss45lYoPyIMrTtaOu3Q9zQPeEbBMhXXa/TZqH2cXI=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=D4oB/vL/dj+Lbx/INqujmuPrk0AQwYSDtQz1ZN6YRvpGDLRTsf+q2yV4tbXgOhBjM aq4/WMt7bGsxt9pixiasQxRye+pQ0Am8sx2eJYfmQRVTz+s/V+oj0i9Fo5gPyDTmi/ QLjBS2HseC/UtsY+5DD7mxSmumuB5bcSOzbDiWEo= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect version number from draft number (#3062) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8982d333af2_78db3f89f74cd964645ea"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 02:43:34 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8982d333af2_78db3f89f74cd964645ea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit @LPardue Yeah I think I get that. My point is that if we are say that the ALPN identifier changes only when the HTTP/3 draft makes a wire-incompatible change, a single HTTP/3 draft could match to multiple versions of QUIC transport drafts (that are incompatible with each other), and therefore that the "quic" parameter would be useful. If we are going to update the ALPN identifier when either of the HTTP/3 draft or the transport draft changes, then there would be no benefit in sending the "quic" parameter. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3062#issuecomment-534363980 ----==_mimepart_5d8982d333af2_78db3f89f74cd964645ea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@LPardue Yeah I think I get that.

My point is that if we are say that the ALPN identifier changes only when the HTTP/3 draft makes a wire-incompatible change, a single HTTP/3 draft could match to multiple versions of QUIC transport drafts (that are incompatible with each other), and therefore that the "quic" parameter would be useful.

If we are going to update the ALPN identifier when either of the HTTP/3 draft or the transport draft changes, then there would be no benefit in sending the "quic" parameter.

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I mean, I could probably work something out, but if the goal is to provide a spec where it is relatively easy to follow the advice and produce a good implementation, then this doesn't meet that test. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3064#issuecomment-534364475 ----==_mimepart_5d8983699e34b_674f3fa68e6cd968678c8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

This doesn't seem particularly actionable. I mean, I could probably work something out, but if the goal is to provide a spec where it is relatively easy to follow the advice and produce a good implementation, then this doesn't meet that test.

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I think the logic in the recovery draft misses some of these cases entirely. The rule in draft 23 is:

the client MUST set the probe timer if the client has not received an acknowledgement for one of its Handshake or 1-RTT packets.

but in your example case there is not necessarily any unacknowledged data to transmit in a probe, and a PING is forbidden at Handshake level, leaving no reasonable options to compose an ACK-eliciting packet.

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----==_mimepart_5d89847f8eef1_55133fdf448cd96813297d-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 20:00:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40A68120086 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:00:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ikjlvYLa4eD0 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9C10F120046 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:00:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-45eca55.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA257660031 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:00:00 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Disconnect version number from draft number (#3062) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8986b09a160_7f793f9935acd95c1528d9"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:00:03 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8986b09a160_7f793f9935acd95c1528d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a concern about how the quic parameter would relate to Alt-Svc caching in practice, especially on a rolling upgrade. But I'm not sure my concern is found or the proposal helps. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3062#issuecomment-534367130 ----==_mimepart_5d8986b09a160_7f793f9935acd95c1528d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I have a concern about how the quic parameter would relate to Alt-Svc caching in practice, especially on a rolling upgrade. But I'm not sure my concern is found or the proposal helps.

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----==_mimepart_5d8986b09a160_7f793f9935acd95c1528d9-- From nobody Mon Sep 23 20:02:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4151C1200E9 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:02:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lbhpZu-957fd for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-6.smtp.github.com (out-6.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.197]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 559A7120086 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 20:02:24 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569294144; bh=G9gj+ftqMV6Uunx3bTDY11ZJEVViw3TBfJ6++ve/YxE=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=Rb4Elym8qjbDXbaeZZKGr/9EqhUJ3HQqdizfwVVG2Vc6+5+5GTXJqgK3p5vbuMpbj 0mSU+73+hPMh0F2T5tiB6i3nSAA0IvrBX0R+nsyB+TG99i3a6dsD6avyuTQOfAgZML zssZBa0Oh3+Iw1uOVL/HOfoTsnXI+NKmctpaTe+g= From: Benjamin Saunders Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] PTO MUST send new data or retransmit data if possible (#3057) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8987408498c_14ff3ff025acd960943ba"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Ralith X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 03:02:27 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8987408498c_14ff3ff025acd960943ba Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ralith commented on this pull request. > @@ -526,15 +524,16 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. -It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send. As -an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is -sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and -then the original transmission is acknowledged. In the absence of any new -application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new -or previously-sent data to send. +When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST On review, maybe the existing requirement that probes be ACK-eliciting is enough. Nothing wrong with retransmitting some unacknowledged ACKs alongside your PING. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3057#discussion_r327409083 ----==_mimepart_5d8987408498c_14ff3ff025acd960943ba Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

@Ralith commented on this pull request.

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -526,15 +524,16 @@ as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
 to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
 expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
 
-It is possible that the sender has no new or previously-sent data to send.  As
-an example, consider the following sequence of events: new application data is
-sent in a STREAM frame, deemed lost, then retransmitted in a new packet, and
-then the original transmission is acknowledged.  In the absence of any new
-application data, a PTO timer expiration now would find the sender with no new
-or previously-sent data to send.
+When the PTO timer expires, and there is new or previously sent data, it MUST

On review, maybe the existing requirement that probes be ACK-eliciting is enough. Nothing wrong with retransmitting some unacknowledged ACKs alongside your PING.

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I read this as "On acknowledgement of a packet, discard state for packets that were declared lost prior to the acknowledged packet's sending," which is at least enough to give me some ideas.

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Regarding my comment above, @janaiyengar points out that there is no such issue, as because the loss would never be confirmed in such case (due to the peer never sending an ACK). I agree.

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Yes, that seems right. The packets you send in the old packet number space might as well have never happened once you discard state for that space.

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If alt-svc can be specified in configuration files, it is likely to result in interop issues if unquoted is not permitted.

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----==_mimepart_5d89bda9d2e_22d83fca37ecd95c18418a-- From nobody Tue Sep 24 07:30:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30ED0120072 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:30:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.281 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.281 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p1sopb_037Xi for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C2DF012001A for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:30:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-25680bd.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.61]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EADCB6A03AF for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 07:30:23 -0700 From: Tatsuhiro Tsujikawa Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http: Allow unquoted tokens in Alt-Svc quic parameter (#3063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8a287fdb5ad_67763fa8864cd95c1727d0"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: tatsuhiro-t X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 14:30:26 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8a287fdb5ad_67763fa8864cd95c1727d0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I support allowing unquoted token for alt-svc quic parameter. quic=1 and quic="1" are semantically the same, and there is no reason to disallow unquoted token. Moreover, requiring quoted-string means that we cannot use generic alt-svc parser because such parser can parse quic=1 without an error. You need to write your own parser to detect that the DQUOTE is really there. If you think that detecting it is not necessary, then requiring quoted-string is not necessary in the first place. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3063#issuecomment-534585821 ----==_mimepart_5d8a287fdb5ad_67763fa8864cd95c1727d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I support allowing unquoted token for alt-svc quic parameter.
quic=1 and quic="1" are semantically the same, and there is no reason to disallow unquoted token.
Moreover, requiring quoted-string means that we cannot use generic alt-svc parser because such parser can parse quic=1 without an error. You need to write your own parser to detect that the DQUOTE is really there. If you think that detecting it is not necessary, then requiring quoted-string is not necessary in the first place.

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People and implementers will be surprised (and do wrong) if the rules and constraints of RFC7838 aren't kept.

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I don't think it's "not well supported," it's entirely not permitted by TLS 1.3. You can resume a session, saving crypto work, but there won't be early data on it. If TLS changes in a future version or extension, QUIC can match.

However, the most recent update to the text on how you handle stored SETTINGS does have a case for not being able to recover the SETTINGS from last time, which would seem to apply if TLS permitted early data from a non-HTTP session. You get the defaults, until you see the SETTINGS frame. The required capability could include not finding any corresponding data in the ticket.

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From looking at all the integer fields in QUICv1, it looks like at this point everything is a varint except the versions, packet numbers, connection ID lengths (which all have valid reasons for their lengths), and the transport parameter identifier and transport parameter lengths. Switching transport parameters to QUIC format (as opposed to TLS presentation language) feels fitting to me, saves bytes on the wire, and will facilitate innovation down the road.

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I'm happy to make transport parameter identifier a varint.

@DavidSchinazi Are you(implicitly) suggesting that transport parameter lengths should be varint as well?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic
+handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers might need to
+parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name
+Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order
+to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.  If the
+ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer
+the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the
+client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY use
+the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
+partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address.  Though a packet
+larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the
+likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello

Given that servers are encouraged to send Retry packets to clients with multiple-packet ClientHellos, this change doesn't make dribble worse, an attacker can send a single-packet ClientHello then start its SlowLoris without this change.

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So far our design has been to take the processing costs in favor of making the protocol more reliable. Given that hardware will need to support sending encrypted Initial packets, I don't see the added cost on Retry as a blocking issue.

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I think so, yes. If we're changing implementations might as well make both changes at once (assuming no one wants one of them to be varint but not the other).

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The HW I am referring to are standalone devices which only do the following:

  1. Validate incoming Initial packets (primarily the Token field).
  2. If valid, allow the packet through. If invalid, drop the packet and reply with a Retry packet.

No encryption or decryption of packets is necessary.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic
+handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Servers might need to
+parse the entire ClientHello (e.g., to access extensions such as Server Name
+Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation (ALPN)) in order
+to decide whether to accept the new incoming QUIC connection.  If the
+ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to buffer
+the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if the
+client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY use
+the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
+partial ClientHellos from clients with a validated address.  Though a packet
+larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves the
+likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first ClientHello

You don't need to commit as much memory after that point.

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Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and -data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData -data. If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until -data has been received from the client. +If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until data has +been received from the client. It's path validation or receiving enough data. I updated the paragraph, PTAL. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3057#discussion_r327771954 ----==_mimepart_5d8a61e02b2ba_35543fa6534cd96419137f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -496,10 +496,8 @@ be considered an RTT sample.
 
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of
 data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until
-data has been received from the client.
+If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until data has
+been received from the client.

It's path validation or receiving enough data. I updated the paragraph, PTAL.

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I'd be opposed to changing the transport parameter lengths to varints, as that means departure from the TLS notation that we use for defining TPs. It's very different from changing the IDs to varints, which is just changing the type of a particular variable.

IIRC, we discussed if we should switch to a different notation, and decided to go with the TLS-based design. At least I have built (or maintained) code based on that.

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Makes PTO consistent with loss detection, which is per packet number space.

Fixes #2863

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  • Change PTO to be per packet number space

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -1135,8 +1150,9 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
       max_ack_delay
   timeout = timeout * (2 ^ pto_count)
 
-  loss_detection_timer.update(
-    time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet + timeout)
+  // Set the

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An ACK frame SHOULD be generated for at least every second ack-eliciting packet. This recommendation is in keeping with standard practice for TCP {{?RFC5681}}. -A receiver's delayed acknowledgment timer SHOULD NOT exceed the current RTT -estimate or the value it indicates in the `max_ack_delay` transport parameter. -This ensures an acknowledgment is sent at least once per RTT when packets -needing acknowledgement are received. The sender can use the receiver's -`max_ack_delay` value in determining timeouts for timer-based retransmission. +An endpoint MUST NOT excessively delay acknowledgements of ack-eliciting +packets. An endpoint commits to a maximum delay using the max_ack_delay +transport parameter; see {{transport-parameter-definitions}}. max_ack_delay +declares an explicit contract: an endpoint promises to never delay +acknowledgments of an ack-eliciting packet by more than the indicated value. If +it does, any excess accrues to the RTT estimate and could result in delayed +retransmissions from the peer. For Initial and Handshake packets, a +max_ack_delay of 0 is used. The sender uses the receiver's `max_ack_delay` +value in determining timeouts for timer-based retransmission, as detailed +in section 5.2.1 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. ```suggestion in Section 5.2.1 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}. ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3055#pullrequestreview-292744200 ----==_mimepart_5d8a99f842307_46cc3fbc0cacd96c78713 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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For example, if there is a long delay between a server sending Initial and Handshake, then that would delay retransmitting the Initial. A larger problem may be the delay between Initial and 0.5RTT data on the server side or Initial and 0RTT data on the client side. In both cases, prior to handshake completion, the application may write data at anytime, subject to congestion control limits and availability of ApplicationData keys. In pathological cases(ie: an application sending tiny 'keep-alive' like pings) the Initial of the client or server may never be retransmitted until after the connection runs out of CWND, which is likely longer than the handshake timeout. This problem was observed in gQUIC and we added an extra field to track the last sent packet containing crypto data and before the handshake was complete, armed the handshake timer from that. The most straightforward fix to this I'm aware of is #3066, which makes PTO per PN space. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3067 ----==_mimepart_5d8aa181e9413_69773fa0132cd95c75162 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

In the recovery draft, when anything is sent in any packet number space, the PTO is extended.

For example, if there is a long delay between a server sending Initial and Handshake, then that would delay retransmitting the Initial.

A larger problem may be the delay between Initial and 0.5RTT data on the server side or Initial and 0RTT data on the client side.

In both cases, prior to handshake completion, the application may write data at anytime, subject to congestion control limits and availability of ApplicationData keys. In pathological cases(ie: an application sending tiny 'keep-alive' like pings) the Initial of the client or server may never be retransmitted until after the connection runs out of CWND, which is likely longer than the handshake timeout.

This problem was observed in gQUIC and we added an extra field to track the last sent packet containing crypto data and before the handshake was complete, armed the handshake timer from that.

The most straightforward fix to this I'm aware of is #3066, which makes PTO per PN space.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

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Two options exist:

  1. Stateless - use crypto.
  2. Stateful - generate random token and save in a cache.

I'm not sure which will be used in the final design. Even if we use crypto for the token, any addtional crypto for the packet is at least twice the CPU required to encrypt the token; halving the packets per second.

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I think that if we're going to use this in resolving the key discard thing, then we'll need stronger support for the advice about sending in multiple spaces. > @@ -438,11 +438,13 @@ and larger thresholds increase loss detection delay. A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers sending one or two probe datagrams when ack-eliciting packets are not acknowledged within the expected period of time or the handshake has not been completed. A PTO enables a connection to -recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. The PTO algorithm used -in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss Probe -{{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and -F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout computation is based on -TCP's retransmission timeout period {{?RFC6298}}. +recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. As with loss +detection, the probe timeout is per packet number space. + +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of +Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, Is `{{?RACK}}` another citation for Tail Loss Probe? > @@ -438,11 +438,13 @@ and larger thresholds increase loss detection delay. A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers sending one or two probe datagrams when ack-eliciting packets are not acknowledged within the expected period of time or the handshake has not been completed. A PTO enables a connection to -recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. The PTO algorithm used -in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss Probe -{{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}} and -F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout computation is based on -TCP's retransmission timeout period {{?RFC6298}}. +recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. As with loss +detection, the probe timeout is per packet number space. + +The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of +Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=I-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, +RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout The commas here are odd. I think that you could start a new sentence here: ```suggestion RTO {{?RFC5681}}, and F-RTO {{?RFC5682}} algorithms for TCP. The timeout ``` Yeah, this is old text, but it's really confusing still. > @@ -496,9 +500,7 @@ be considered an RTT sample. Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the amount of data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. -Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data and -data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any ApplicationData -data. If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until +If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until ```suggestion If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed for the corresponding packet number space until ``` > @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due I think that we can drop the "containing ack-eliciting packets" here, it's redundant with the first sentence. > @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded. ### Sending Probe Packets When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet -as a probe, unless there is no data available to send. An endpoint MAY send up -to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an -expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram. +in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to +send. An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing +ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due +to a single lost datagram. + +In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the timer +expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other packet +number spaces with inflight data if sending coalesced packets is supported. This is important, so I think that it needs more support. Questions that arise are: What happens if I don't do this? Under what conditions would it be fine not to send in both spaces? > @@ -933,7 +940,7 @@ loss_detection_timer: pto_count: : The number of times a PTO has been sent without receiving an ack. -time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet: +time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet[kPacketNumberSpace]: ```suggestion time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]: ``` > @@ -1096,12 +1103,20 @@ Pseudocode for SetLossDetectionTimer follows: // Returns the earliest loss_time and the packet number // space it's from. Returns 0 if all times are 0. GetEarliestLossTime(): - time = loss_time[Initial] + return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time) + +// Returns the earliest time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet +// and the packet number space it's from. +GetEarliestAckElicitingTime(): + return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time) You have two identical functions here that don't seem to do anything other than indirect over the global. 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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

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I think that if we're going to use this in resolving the key discard t= hing, then we'll need stronger support for the advice about sending in mu= ltiple spaces.

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -438,11 +438,13 @@ and larger threshold=
s increase loss detection delay.=0D
 A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers sending one or two probe datagrams when=0D=

 ack-eliciting packets are not acknowledged within the expected period of=
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n to=0D
-recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. The PTO algorithm=
 used=0D
-in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss Probe=0D
-{{?TLP=3DI-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}}=
 and=0D
-F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout computation is ba=
sed on=0D
-TCP's retransmission timeout period {{?RFC6298}}.=0D
+recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements.  As with loss=0D
+detection, the probe timeout is per packet number space.=0D
+=0D
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of=0D=

+Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=3DI-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}},=0D=
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Is {{?RACK}} another citation for Tail Loss Probe?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -438,11 +438,13 @@ and larger threshold=
s increase loss detection delay.=0D
 A Probe Timeout (PTO) triggers sending one or two probe datagrams when=0D=

 ack-eliciting packets are not acknowledged within the expected period of=
=0D
 time or the handshake has not been completed.  A PTO enables a connectio=
n to=0D
-recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements. The PTO algorithm=
 used=0D
-in QUIC implements the reliability functions of Tail Loss Probe=0D
-{{?TLP=3DI-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}}, RTO {{?RFC5681}}=
 and=0D
-F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout computation is ba=
sed on=0D
-TCP's retransmission timeout period {{?RFC6298}}.=0D
+recover from loss of tail packets or acknowledgements.  As with loss=0D
+detection, the probe timeout is per packet number space.=0D
+=0D
+The PTO algorithm used in QUIC implements the reliability functions of=0D=

+Tail Loss Probe {{?TLP=3DI-D.dukkipati-tcpm-tcp-loss-probe}} {{?RACK}},=0D=

+RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO algorithms for TCP {{?RFC5682}}, and the time=
out=0D
=0D

The commas here are odd. I think that you could start a new sentence = here:

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-RTO {{?RFC5681}} and F-RTO algorithms for TCP=
 {{?RFC5682}}, and the timeout=0D
+RTO {{?RFC5681}}, and F-RTO  {{?RFC5682}} algorithms for TCP.  The timeo=
ut=0D
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Yeah, this is old text, but it's really confusing still.

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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -496,9 +500,7 @@ be considered an RTT s=
ample.=0D
 =0D
 Until the server has validated the client's address on the path, the=
 amount of=0D
 data it can send is limited, as specified in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANS=
PORT}}.=0D
-Data at Initial encryption MUST be retransmitted before Handshake data a=
nd=0D
-data at Handshake encryption MUST be retransmitted before any Applicatio=
nData=0D
-data.  If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed unti=
l=0D
+If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed until=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MU=
ST NOT be armed until=0D
+If no data can be sent, then the PTO alarm MUST NOT be armed for the cor=
responding packet number space until=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in=
 flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.=0D
 ### Sending Probe Packets=0D
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 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting =
packet=0D
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY =
send up=0D
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid a=
n=0D
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.=0D
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available=
 to=0D
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing=0D=

+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration =
due=0D
=0D

I think that we can drop the "containing ack-eliciting packets" here, = it's redundant with the first sentence.

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=0D =0D

In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in=
 flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.=0D
 ### Sending Probe Packets=0D
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 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting =
packet=0D
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY =
send up=0D
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid a=
n=0D
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.=0D
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available=
 to=0D
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing=0D=

+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration =
due=0D
+to a single lost datagram.=0D
+=0D
+In addition to sending data in the packet number space for which the tim=
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+expired, the sender SHOULD coalesce ack-eliciting packets from all other=
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+number spaces with inflight data if sending coalesced packets is support=
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This is important, so I think that it needs more support. Questions t= hat arise are: What happens if I don't do this? Under what conditions wo= uld it be fine not to send in both spaces?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -933,7 +940,7 @@ loss_detection_timer:=0D=

 pto_count:=0D
 : The number of times a PTO has been sent without receiving an ack.=0D
 =0D
-time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet:=0D
+time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet[kPacketNumberSpace]:=0D
=0D =E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D 
-time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet[kPacke=
tNumberSpace]:=0D
+time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:=0D
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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

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> @@ -1096,12 +1103,20 @@ Pseudocode for Set=
LossDetectionTimer follows:=0D
 // Returns the earliest loss_time and the packet number=0D
 // space it's from.  Returns 0 if all times are 0.=0D
 GetEarliestLossTime():=0D
-  time =3D loss_time[Initial]=0D
+  return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)=0D
+=0D
+// Returns the earliest time_of_last_sent_ack_eliciting_packet=0D
+// and the packet number space it's from.=0D
+GetEarliestAckElicitingTime():=0D
+  return GetEarliestTimeAndSpace(loss_time)=0D
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You have two identical functions here that don't seem to do anything o= ther than indirect over the global. I don't get this change.

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----==_mimepart_5d8ab2beab190_30793fe6d8ecd96c436a9-- From nobody Tue Sep 24 17:28:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C9C120090 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EP-iDHbs1mKO for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1A81120033 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-e8b54ca.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.39]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5998A0070 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 17:28:31 -0700 From: David Schinazi Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8ab4afd6a6d_62373fbd38ecd96823829d"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: DavidSchinazi X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:28:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8ab4afd6a6d_62373fbd38ecd96823829d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Even if we use crypto for the token, any addtional crypto for the packet is at least twice the CPU required to encrypt the token; halving the packets per second. This assumes that the great majority of packet processing time is spent on cryptographic operations, and that has never been my personal experience. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-534799323 ----==_mimepart_5d8ab4afd6a6d_62373fbd38ecd96823829d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Even if we use crypto for the token, any addtional crypto for the packet is at least twice the CPU required to encrypt the token; halving the packets per second.

This assumes that the great majority of packet processing time is spent on cryptographic operations, and that has never been my personal experience.

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This assumes that the great majority of packet processing time is spent on cryptographic operations, and that has never been my personal experience.

That may be so when doing things at the HTTP layer. I have had completely the opposite experience with my QUIC only performance tests. Encryption/decryption is closer to 60% to 75% of the CPU. UDP is the next largest, but because we've done a lot of optimizations in this area it's not that much.

But for HW, it's a whole different story. There is nothing but read QUIC header, read token, write token, write UDP packet. Read/write token will be, by far, the CPU bottleneck.

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There is nothing but read QUIC header, read token, write token, write UDP packet. Read/write token will be, by far, the CPU bottleneck.

I suspect that by "read/write token" you mean the compute/look-up token step, which I suspect won't be cheap, and that'll be there regardless of our decision on this issue.

I have a hard time believing that a hardware-accelerated AES-GCM step will take much longer than read/writing UDP. Making the protocol less reliable for the sake of a hypothetical performance result sounds like premature optimization to me.

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UDP can gain huge perf boosts from batch processing. Crypto doesn't get the same boosts because each packet ends up needing a different key.

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I agree with @DavidSchinazi that I have never seen profiles indicating that AES with standard(ie: AES-NI or AVX) acceleration is more costly than sending UDP packets.

I'm confused about whether you have an amazingly fast UDP path or a very slow AES-GCM path, relatively speaking. I've seen CPU profiles where 50% of CPU is spent sending UDP packets on two different platforms now, but I've never seen a profile where AES-GCM consumed more than sending UDP packets.

Can you share any measurements that might explain the large disparity between CPU profiles I've seen and you've seen or shed any light on why our experiences are so different?

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In draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md:

> @@ -522,9 +524,14 @@ removed from bytes in flight when the Initial and Handshake keys are discarded.
 ### Sending Probe Packets
 
 When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-eliciting packet
-as a probe, unless there is no data available to send.  An endpoint MAY send up
-to two full-sized datagrams containing ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an
-expensive consecutive PTO expiration due to a single lost datagram.
+in the packet number space as a probe, unless there is no data available to
+send.  An endpoint MAY send up to two full-sized datagrams containing
+ack-eliciting packets, to avoid an expensive consecutive PTO expiration due
+to a single lost datagram.

Confirmation question: does this mean that we'd be permitting more datagrams to be sent in effectively one PTO, when multiple packet number spaces are involved?

Consider the case where the PTO is armed for both the Handshake packet number space and the 1-RTT packet number space. Now that we have a PTO timer for each of the packet number space, we'd see both of them firing, and the text reads that an endpoint is allowed to send two datagrams for each.

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This feels a bit editorial -- anyone have an issue with that?

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I think we have two ways forward:

  • Drop the idea of version number greasing using 0x?a?a?a?a.
  • Allow the servers to send Version Negotiation packets. We would need to require clients to handle it, rather than requiring them to "abandon the current connection attempt."

I think it would be a design issue if we decide to pick up the latter.

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The transport text wildly disagrees on case even in neighbouring paragraphs.
Recovery uses ack-eliciting consistently, except Ack-eliciting at paragraph start.

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----==_mimepart_5d8b0d86c315d_6dc23fd654acd96411499d-- From nobody Tue Sep 24 23:57:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DBB91200B8 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:56:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AfYIVEwDdhot for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-24.smtp.github.com (out-24.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.207]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C581120041 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:56:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 23:56:56 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569394616; bh=Yi93GWg5sgOp8lH3xWo4EpKd4O4sRX/P+dedYP3Gp4c=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bO0lwmnAkkE360Rb4CzDenYD1bzIoSrQeIq2edSJhktNjvKUBhvNG2UAcecNFcvM6 kP0k6r7ZSX2siWKmmuvUPUfKEpb7608maHrcG+JLFTrRP6jWzEbHTascxmxMsBvqUl QiFX0/2PcCsidbq1qdYhF0ewQ+4zfJboqTtN7iXQ= From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Change PTO to be per packet number space (#3066) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8b0fb87df1e_463e3ff4d52cd968225114"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:57:00 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8b0fb87df1e_463e3ff4d52cd968225114 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'd like to see the different packet number spaces operate independently because the initial handshake can use a less optimised, more complicated code path. While separate PTOs works for that, the requirement about SHOULD coalesce across packet number spaces goes against it. It requires upstream coordination and one PTO timer firing might affect the timeout of another PTO timer because coalesced packets are being sent. Overall this sounds rather complicated. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3066#issuecomment-534882298 ----==_mimepart_5d8b0fb87df1e_463e3ff4d52cd968225114 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I'd like to see the different packet number spaces operate independently because the initial handshake can use a less optimised, more complicated code path. While separate PTOs works for that, the requirement about SHOULD coalesce across packet number spaces goes against it. It requires upstream coordination and one PTO timer firing might affect the timeout of another PTO timer because coalesced packets are being sent. Overall this sounds rather complicated.

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I first thought this is spam, but whatever, since this thread won't die: the reason for the error is an extra space in the last line

> / sdcard/hola.apk should probably be >/sdcard/hola.apk

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It changes functional requirements about what error codes to send, so not really.

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Presumably clients could still use greasing version numbers, so I don't think that we necessarily need to do anything other than an editorial tweak.

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----==_mimepart_5d8b1230344a7_2b993ff9120cd9601501ac-- From nobody Wed Sep 25 00:16:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3061200FD for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.307 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_24=1.618, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.026, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MYWGQTmkKppP for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-1.smtp.github.com (out-1.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.192]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BE14120041 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-c5134a3.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.23.55]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E27C61FB4 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:15:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:15:56 -0700 From: MikkelFJ Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of corrupt Retry packets (#3014) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8b142ca17bf_5a113f8fe6ecd960235736"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: mikkelfj X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 07:15:59 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8b142ca17bf_5a113f8fe6ecd960235736 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A hardware forwarding UDP device has a completely different path from any general purpose OS, so it can't be compared at all. AES as a number of roundtrips which requires a pipeline depth even if each step is fast and it might require custom specs if you have a fast simple core to start with. Another option is to use good enough pseudo-crypto like some key mixed into a splitmix64 algorithm with frequently changing keys, at least for a part of the token field that affects the hardware filter. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-534887912 ----==_mimepart_5d8b142ca17bf_5a113f8fe6ecd960235736 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

A hardware forwarding UDP device has a completely different path from any general purpose OS, so it can't be compared at all.

AES as a number of roundtrips which requires a pipeline depth even if each step is fast and it might require custom specs if you have a fast simple core to start with.

Another option is to use good enough pseudo-crypto like some key mixed into a splitmix64 algorithm with frequently changing keys, at least for a part of the token field that affects the hardware filter.

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I agree with @kazuho, @DavidSchinazi and @ianswett. Making the protocol robust against bit flips should be our first priority, even if it's a (little?) bit more expensive for the sender of Retry packets.

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----==_mimepart_5d8b17d43064d_69413ff1c8ecd96c16171f-- From nobody Wed Sep 25 00:32:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68FF11200FD for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:32:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QgXKe7dxdEG6 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD7891200B8 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 00:32:26 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569396747; bh=f887ozDC3NwZvIgUw73WhzmFesrB0RnYNYwr4C6rUx0=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=T2VX/ddEDmmBW6u5ETK2CRJyVaZGDVcf/hD3IeZSxf0eZ10wNZLnMWaBNF1/cl8pP bm4SVPCg85AmAHnJbgn3VyQEeJQ8M8FAPvF+l9Tq/7O4pizKX9/qJ/ST6bHQWclfCf t1ZZinHm9FBH0aXYbN5zfAf2Mpy9ej22T1/sabEE= From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] QUIC versions can no longer be greased (#3013) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8b180af39b6_4c3f3fd1c8ccd95c1678b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 07:32:30 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8b180af39b6_4c3f3fd1c8ccd95c1678b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Apologies, I was confused when I wrote my last comment. Yes, this can be an editorial tweak, that allows the client to respect the Version Negotiation packet, when it sends an Initial packet with a greasing version number. Or, we can leave the text as-is, claiming that the act of sending a long header packet using a greasing version number is solely governed by the invariants I-D rather than the V1 I-D. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3013#issuecomment-534892996 ----==_mimepart_5d8b180af39b6_4c3f3fd1c8ccd95c1678b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Apologies, I was confused when I wrote my last comment.

Yes, this can be an editorial tweak, that allows the client to respect the Version Negotiation packet, when it sends an Initial packet with a greasing version number.

Or, we can leave the text as-is, claiming that the act of sending a long header packet using a greasing version number is solely governed by the invariants I-D rather than the V1 I-D.

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To highlight my earlier point, on slack the following was posted

Specifically: I have an H1/H2 server running on ports 443 and 4433 which advertises
alt-svc: h3-23=":4433"; ma=3600

The issue appears to not be the unquoted ma=3600, but it does suggest we will see unquoted strings in the wild.

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=0D = ----==_mimepart_5d8b650f386e8_75443fc4132cd96076860-- From nobody Wed Sep 25 06:06:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5A612080B for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:06:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.495 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.495 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28=1.404, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KGinFZ_dYgGR for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-3.smtp.github.com (out-3.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.194]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC3C512022C for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-fb56993.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.19.31]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A9302C3345 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 06:06:28 -0700 From: Ryan Hamilton Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http: Allow unquoted tokens in Alt-Svc quic parameter (#3063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8b66541c10f_31363f975c8cd95c2363a6"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: RyanAtGoogle X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 13:06:31 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8b66541c10f_31363f975c8cd95c2363a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But that's the ma=3D field, not the quic=3D field, right? (This issue is = about=0D the quic=3D field, I think)=0D =0D On Wed, Sep 25, 2019 at 5:24 AM MikkelFJ wrote= :=0D =0D > To highlight my earlier point, on slack the following was posted=0D >=0D > Specifically: I have an H1/H2 server running on ports 443 and 4433 whic= h=0D > advertises=0D > alt-svc: h3-23=3D":4433"; ma=3D3600=0D >=0D > The issue appears to not be the unquoted ma=3D3600, but it does suggest= we=0D > will see unquoted strings in the wild.=0D >=0D > =E2=80=94=0D > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D > Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub=0D > ,=0D > or mute the thread=0D > =0D > .=0D >=0D =0D =0D -- =0D You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.=0D Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub:=0D https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3063#issuecomment-535012880= ----==_mimepart_5d8b66541c10f_31363f975c8cd95c2363a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable But that's the ma=3D field, not the quic=3D field, right? (This issue= is about
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To be fair, this isn't just about running an AEAD over a relatively short packet. It's running HKDF as well. If you weren't inclined to process the packet, that's a fairly big jump in cost.

So it's not just twice the cost. SHA-256 tends to be more expensive than AES, even with AES and its fairly clunky key setup. You run multiple iterations of SHA-256 to generate the keys.

I personally think that this is worth doing, but I don't operate a service at scale. I'd like something more concrete than "this is expensive", but I'm willing to concede that this is a considerable increase in cost for a DoS protection device.

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As I said elsewhere, the current text in draft-23 stems from a Structured Headers issue related to wanting to advertise multiple versions of QUIC. httpwg/http-extensions#281

Alt-Svc isn't a structured one but if it were (e.g. if someone wanted to write a generic Structured Header parser) then there was a danger that the rules preventing dictionary key repetition would have prevented an endpoint sending multiple quic parameters e.g. Alt-svc: ":443"; quic=1; quic=1abadaba.

To mitigate the risk, the quic parameter was changed to a DQUOTED comma-separated list as part of #1093.

This issue addresses the correctness within the Alt-Svc spec but does it reopen the can related to Structured Headers?

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I'd like something more concrete than "this is expensive", but I'm willing to concede that this is a considerable increase in cost for a DoS protection device.

I share the same view. We have discussed this previously, and the conclusion was to not apply AEAD to the Retry packets. I think this issue warrants us the chance to revisit the previous conclusion, but I think it's worth wondering if we can find a solution without enforcing the use of AEAD.

That's why I am suggesting the use of optional GMAC. The straw-man is as follows.

When a client receives a Retry packet, it checks the last 16 bytes of the packet. If the last 16 bytes are equal to the original DCID, the packet is considered to be not protected by the AEAD. The token is the rest of the packet payload. If the last 16 bytes is anything else, the packet is considered to be protected by the AEAD. The requirement to the server would be that it should either AEAD-protect the Retry packet, or use the UDP checksum.

There would no longer be a ODCID field.

I think this straw-man might be somewhat better than the "worst" of the two approach being combined, and that it might be something that we can go with.

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I'm not exactly what more you need than "this is expensive". Obviously the HW can't be built and then we decide what to do. I just did a quick and dirty perf test (not sure if RSS was completely configured), and these were some numbers of our software QUIC stack for a CPU limited sender:

Encryption          45.32%
UDP Send            36.86%
Stream Data Copy     6.07%
ACK Processing       3.65%

The leftovers are for various smaller things. This is also on a machine that doesn't support all the HW offloads we support in Windows, so the UDP number can go down (drastically, giving numbers closer to the one I gave before). Also, while I am no crypto expert, I do not believe Windows bcrypt APIs are overly costly, compared to other libraries.

I know UDP has been expensive in the past, but that's no longer the case. I feel we should not use that past behavior as an excuse to default to computationally expensive solutions, where other solutions are available.

And again, like mikkelfj said you can't directly compare HW and SW solutions very well.

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So to be clear, I do vote a Initial like authentication scheme in Retry, as I hope I have stated earlier. But @nibanks concern is valid. I just don't think they have to be mutually exclusive:

You can have tail authentication tags and have other data that is fast for hardware to verify even if the filter is not perfect. I'd rather not rely on UDP headers for anything but IP routing.

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Fixes #3068

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We use ACK for ACK frame and 'acknowledgment' instead of 'ack'. I think this should be ACK-eliciting. I suppose if ack-eliciting were defined as a term that might make it ok to use... can you bring the term over from the recovery doc into the transport one?

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The pseudocode only potentially sends 2 packets if the endpoint is a server or if 1-RTT keys are had. It's unclear why this distinction is made, as opposed to sending "one or two" packets in every case. The text says:

Sending two packets on PTO expiration increases resilience to packet drops, thus reducing the probability of consecutive PTO events.

which seems to apply universally.

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I think that we probably need to start saying "send a probe" rather than "send one or two packets". And to define a probe as being one or two packets that can exceed the congestion limit.

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[ci skip] From nobody Wed Sep 25 19:53:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91ABB1200EF for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4uh3064Glpsy for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-12.smtp.github.com (out-12.smtp.github.com [192.30.254.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46027120033 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:53:40 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569466420; bh=4D3YDpN3ctDxtZI5gZK6N8LAp6/zyLtXHbA5oxeqvnk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=IAKspoYqgtcqoOh/RHpvaA9WVCFe0Sh/DK68dniijjXLZj0/oMveEZxoAym/6clMO FcpSbmhlq38fig3TB/Xdnbl0Pe87C7uBn7VgPrzXf0eky/sVV6jjRp6ZpZDpti81JD M45Vii+fP+euMuPybZXxrfvyW3Wvo/lLauEvsGn8= From: Mark Nottingham To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 8afe7b: don't need spec_regex any more Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 02:53:43 -0000 Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts Commit: 8afe7b1dadedf5610db343fd590aeeafcbcb923c https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/8afe7b1dadedf5610db343fd590aeeafcbcb923c Author: Mark Nottingham Date: 2019-09-26 (Thu, 26 Sep 2019) Changed paths: M ietf.json Log Message: ----------- don't need spec_regex any more From nobody Wed Sep 25 19:54:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D892C1200EF for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:54:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rYMhKGA098tF for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-20.smtp.github.com (out-20.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.203]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7645D120033 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:54:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2019 19:54:15 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569466455; bh=pjNP5NpH0tGqBljwNls0Sfpk0vTob6OlXPlZ5dmYZoc=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:From; b=sapHMbw5QwC3rh6mneGaluu9I/heoqq64fRuezrzVzdyZ70AW2oKYXi2xmkwH+vRD 4qVqryUii/IBb53gPLpimUGKp5wHn707SYO6EXrW0DgazG4hfgiqy+lTP3UtNCiInB ivAj0JWeGCL3tXKCUcGbLkShBSsipeoXHrATSthw= From: Martin Thomson To: quic-issues@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: [quicwg/base-drafts] 1ee34d: Script updating gh-pages from 8afe7b1d. 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@DaanDeMeyer after the big error shuffle that landed in draft-23, how do feel about this issue now?

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I took a quick look at the changes and I my main argument that stream level errors do not make sense as connection level errors still applies. Instead of using stream level errors as connection level errors, I would use a general connection level error and use the reason phrase to add more detail on why an endpoint chose to treat a stream level error as a connection level error (I also think that the cases where it makes sense to do this are rather limited).

On the other hand, this is a pretty insignificant issue so I understand if there's no major motivation to change this when we're this late in the standardization process.

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----==_mimepart_5d8ce89d835ea_73d43f93f48cd96864839-- From nobody Thu Sep 26 12:08:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86E551200EB for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:08:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.454 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.454 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=github.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fgWwCFCWczpD for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-23.smtp.github.com (out-23.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.206]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6D11120168 for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:08:47 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=github.com; s=pf2014; t=1569524927; bh=YZE1Hqji7awDc7CW+qjAXgFBW4YVHFGuZKBTJZExTiA=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:List-ID: List-Archive:List-Post:List-Unsubscribe:From; b=bqrGtFvMnXTbubBgkXQ3llmvXHAFLzMGgDf/QXY6iP8MyOEPOWYWf9Sc1xQLFY/QB jQ/dJbJV/XY387aWDdcYRG0nn5I1NnhfhpBn9E+RZxMCZaNp5pY1WzegB9+nclm7fv SVXPL9054/Kqquj0NlfvsOro63IArqHK+xFvq76c= From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Separate HTTP/3 stream errors from connection errors. (#2911) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8d0cbfab928_3be03fe42accd9602793e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:08:52 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8d0cbfab928_3be03fe42accd9602793e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think it makes sense to make them separate lists, but it is relatively insignificant. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2911#issuecomment-535644767 ----==_mimepart_5d8d0cbfab928_3be03fe42accd9602793e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

I think it makes sense to make them separate lists, but it is relatively insignificant.

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----==_mimepart_5d8d0cbfab928_3be03fe42accd9602793e1-- From nobody Thu Sep 26 12:18:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4CCB120AEE for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:18:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s9JZFs4JJJGd for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:18:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-2.smtp.github.com (out-2.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A217120B0F for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-6349a71.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.18.20]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB25F1C1D5A for ; Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 12:17:55 -0700 From: Lucas Pardue Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Separate HTTP/3 stream errors from connection errors. (#2911) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8d0ee3ab20e_69073fec946cd96c12500"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: LPardue X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2019 19:18:19 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8d0ee3ab20e_69073fec946cd96c12500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit We have at least one implementer that has stated the use of a reason phrase is problematic for them. I think what we have today is fairly consistent with how HTTP/2 works. I'd review a PR that addresses this issue in some way but I'm not motivated to write one myself. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2911#issuecomment-535648028 ----==_mimepart_5d8d0ee3ab20e_69073fec946cd96c12500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

We have at least one implementer that has stated the use of a reason phrase is problematic for them.

I think what we have today is fairly consistent with how HTTP/2 works.

I'd review a PR that addresses this issue in some way but I'm not motivated to write one myself.

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If we want to give servers options, we could allow servers to send Initial packets with no payload and the client would treat those identically to a Retry.

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@ianswett The benefit of tokens are that the state can be offloaded. Is that possible with Initial packets?

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Functionally, a Retry or Initial with no payload should be identical, minus the packet format?

  • Both have a Token
  • Both have a way of validating the original CID
  • Both have no other payload

I believe we considered using the Initial packet as a Retry packet in the Stream0 design team, but the reason we decided not to was some members thought the encryption cost was too high. It looks like we're still in the same place in that regard?

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@nibanks Those numbers are very different from the ones I've seen. In particular, I've never seen UDP send lower than encrypt that I can recall.

I will note that I'm typically looking at profiles of a full process(ie: a load balancer/cache/etc), not just the QUIC stack, but even so your crypto is much more expensive than I'd expect.

Are you using AES-NI and/or AVX instructions?

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Yes, Bcrypt APIs make full use of CPU instruction offload where available. As I indicated, these numbers are from a QUIC layer performance test (no HTTP involved) between two machines on a 40Gbps switch (i.e. unlimited bandwidth). The machines are CPU limited. UDP CPU costs are greatly reduced by batching many packets worth of data in a single send call. HW offloads improve this even more.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

>  containing frames other than ACK and/or PADDING).  An endpoint MUST NOT send a
-packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-ACK-eliciting packet
+packet containing only an ACK frame in response to a non-acl-eliciting packet

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So the idea here is to allow the servers to send tokens in Initial packets (which is currently prohibited), when the payload length is zero. I agree that that's a possibility, and that we could have taken that path. OTOH, I am not sure if we should consider that at this late stage, even if we are to authenticate and encrypt the Retry packet. The reasons are: * Use of the Initial packet does reduce the complexity. It just changes how the clients make the distinction between Initial vs. Retry. * The existence of PN field is concerning, as the client cannot ACK a Retry. >From the server's point of view, Retry is an action that happens before a connection is established, and I like the fact that it is given a distinct packet type rather than being defined as a subtype of a packet that could be part of a connection (i.e. carrying PN). And we have enough bits to express the four long header packet types. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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Functionally, a Retry or Initial with no payload should be identical, minus the packet format?

  • Both have a Token
  • Both have a way of validating the original CID
  • Both have no other payload

Ah thank you for the clarification. So the idea here is to allow the servers to send tokens in Initial packets (which is currently prohibited), when the payload length is zero.

I agree that that's a possibility, and that we could have taken that path.

OTOH, I am not sure if we should consider that at this late stage, even if we are to authenticate and encrypt the Retry packet. The reasons are:

  • Use of the Initial packet does reduce the complexity. It just changes how the clients make the distinction between Initial vs. Retry.
  • The existence of PN field is concerning, as the client cannot ACK a Retry.

From the server's point of view, Retry is an action that happens before a connection is established, and I like the fact that it is given a distinct packet type rather than being defined as a subtype of a packet that could be part of a connection (i.e. carrying PN). And we have enough bits to express the four long header packet types.

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Thanks @kazuho I forgot Retry didn't have a PN. That is a bit concerning.

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----==_mimepart_5d8e1ee0cf4eb_68473faa5a0cd96c2104fa-- From nobody Fri Sep 27 10:26:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF68120A79 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3FLitCjskww for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B9C120A76 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-d31a065.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.70]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76390A1E72 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 10:26:05 -0700 From: ianswett Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Rewrite key update section (#3050) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8e462d67354_13833faf9cecd96c2460db"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: ianswett X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2019 17:26:10 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8e462d67354_13833faf9cecd96c2460db Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ianswett commented on this pull request. This generally looks like an improvement, some suggestions. > +: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT packets are never updated; their keys are + derived solely from the TLS handshake state. + +The endpoint that initiates a key update also updates the keys that it uses for +receiving packets. These keys will be needed to process packets the peer sends +after updating. + +An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys so that packets sent by its peer prior to +receiving the key update can be processed. Discarding old keys too early can +cause delayed packets to be discarded. Discarding packets will be interpreted +as packet loss by the peer and could adversely affect performance. + + +## Responding to a Key Update + +Once an endpoint has acknowledged a packet in the current key phase, a peer is I misread this a few times at first, so how about "A peer is permitted to initiate a key update after receiving an acknowledgement of a packet in the current key phase." Or you could remove this sentence entirely given there's a MUST NOT above. > +keys for receiving. + +If a packet is successfully processed using the next key and IV, then the peer +has initiated a key update. The endpoint MUST update its send keys to the +corresponding key phase in response, as described in {{key-update-initiate}}. +Sending keys MUST be updated before sending an acknowledgement for the packet +that was received with updated keys. By acknowledging the packet that triggered +the key update in a packet protected with the updated keys, the endpoint signals +that the key update is complete. + +An endpoint can defer sending the packet or acknowledgement according to its +normal packet sending behaviour; it is not necessary to immediately generate a +packet in response to a key update. The next packet sent by the endpoint will +use the updated keys. The next packet that contains an acknowledgement will +cause the key update to be completed. If an endpoint detects a second update +before it has sent any packets with updated keys or an acknowledgement for the It has to send an acknowledgement, so I think this can be more restrictive? ```suggestion before it has sent any packets with updated keys containing an acknowledgement for the ``` > +keys twice without awaiting confirmation. An endpoint MAY treat consecutive key +updates as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. + +An endpoint that receives an acknowledgement that is carried in a packet +protected with old keys where any acknowledged packet was protected with newer +keys MAY treat that as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. This +indicates that a peer has received and acknowledged a packet that initiates a +key update, but has not updated keys in response. + + +## Timing of Receive Key Generation {#receive-key-generation} + +Endpoints responding to an apparent key update MUST NOT generate a timing +side-channel signal that might indicate that the Key Phase bit was invalid (see +{{header-protect-analysis}}). Endpoints can use dummy packet protection keys in +place of discarded keys when key updates are not permitted; using dummy keys There's no way to indicate key updates are not permitted at all, correct? Maybe say "not yet permitted" to be slightly clearer that it's too early/fast, and key updates are not an optional feature. > +has initiated a key update. The endpoint MUST update its send keys to the +corresponding key phase in response, as described in {{key-update-initiate}}. +Sending keys MUST be updated before sending an acknowledgement for the packet +that was received with updated keys. By acknowledging the packet that triggered +the key update in a packet protected with the updated keys, the endpoint signals +that the key update is complete. + +An endpoint can defer sending the packet or acknowledgement according to its +normal packet sending behaviour; it is not necessary to immediately generate a +packet in response to a key update. The next packet sent by the endpoint will +use the updated keys. The next packet that contains an acknowledgement will +cause the key update to be completed. If an endpoint detects a second update +before it has sent any packets with updated keys or an acknowledgement for the +packet that initiated the key update, it indicates that its peer has updated +keys twice without awaiting confirmation. An endpoint MAY treat consecutive key +updates as a connection error of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. I'll note that this means every time there is a key update, there is a small window of time where a peer can reset the connection unless the receiver successfully decrypts the incoming packet before sending the connection close. Maybe what you're intending is that the receiver detects a second update and is processed, but I wasn't sure. > +keys. + +Packets with higher packet numbers MUST be protected with either the same or +newer packet protection keys than packets with lower packet numbers. An +endpoint that successfully removes protection with old keys when newer keys were +used for packets with lower packet numbers MUST treat this as a connection error +of type KEY_UPDATE_ERROR. + + +## Receiving with Different Keys {#old-keys-recv} + +For receiving packets during a key update, packets protected with older keys +might arrive if they were delayed by the network. Retaining old packet +protection keys allows these packets to be successfully processed. + +As packet protected with keys from the next key phase use the same Key Phase ```suggestion As packets protected with keys from the next key phase use the same Key Phase ``` > +channel that might reveal which keys were used to remove packet protection. + +Alternatively, endpoints can retain only two sets of packet protection keys, +swapping previous for next after enough time has passed to allow for reordering +in the network. In this case, the Key Phase bit alone can be used to select +keys. + +An endpoint SHOULD allow a period between one and two times the Probe Timeout +(PTO; see {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}) after a key update before it creates the next set +of packet protection keys. These MAY replace the previous keys at that time. +With the caveat that PTO is a subjective measure - that is, a peer could have a +different view of the RTT - this time is expected to be long enough that any +reordered packets would be declared lost by a peer even if they were +acknowledged and short enough to allow for subsequent key updates. + +Endpoints SHOULD allow for the possibility that a peer is not able to handle a I'm confused by the one to two times PTO vs three times PTO here. I prefer this second paragraph that states you need to way 3*PTO after key update is complete, minus the fact I'm unclear what "a peer is not able to handle a key update during this period" means? -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. 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This generally looks like an improvement, some suggestions.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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> +: Keys of packets other than the 1-RTT pa=
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+An endpoint SHOULD retain old keys so that packets sent by its peer prio=
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+receiving the key update can be processed.  Discarding old keys too earl=
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+cause delayed packets to be discarded.  Discarding packets will be inter=
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I misread this a few times at first, so how about "A peer is permitted= to initiate a key update after receiving an acknowledgement of a packet = in the current key phase." Or you could remove this sentence entirely gi= ven there's a MUST NOT above.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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It has to send an acknowledgement, so I think this can be more restric= tive?

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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There's no way to indicate key updates are not permitted at all, corre= ct? Maybe say "not yet permitted" to be slightly clearer that it's too e= arly/fast, and key updates are not an optional feature.

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> +has initiated a key update.  The endpoint=
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I'll note that this means every time there is a key update, there is a= small window of time where a peer can reset the connection unless the re= ceiver successfully decrypts the incoming packet before sending the conne= ction close. Maybe what you're intending is that the receiver detects a = second update and is processed, but I wasn't sure.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

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I'm confused by the one to two times PTO vs three times PTO here. I p= refer this second paragraph that states you need to way 3*PTO after key u= pdate is complete, minus the fact I'm unclear what "a peer is not able to= handle a key update during this period" means?

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Some minor nits, but the core content looks good. > @@ -570,11 +570,16 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated. ## ClientHello Size {#clienthello-size} -QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire -cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello. Though a -packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves -the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first -ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit. +The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic ```suggestion The first Initial packet from a client contains the start or all of its first cryptographic ``` > @@ -589,12 +594,9 @@ QUIC transport parameters, and other negotiable parameters and extensions could cause this message to grow. For servers, in addition to connection IDs and tokens, the size of TLS session -tickets can have an effect on a client's ability to connect. Minimizing the -size of these values increases the probability that they can be successfully -used by a client. - -A client is not required to fit the ClientHello that it sends in response to a -HelloRetryRequest message into a single UDP datagram. +tickets can have an effect on a client's ability to connect efficiently. +Minimizing the size of these values increases the probability that they can be +successfully used by a client. This second sentence now seems out of place, since it's unclear why clients wouldn't be able to use them? > @@ -3959,16 +3950,15 @@ Initial packet containing other frames can either discard the packet as spurious or treat it as a connection error. The first packet sent by a client always includes a CRYPTO frame that contains -the entirety of the first cryptographic handshake message. This packet, and the -cryptographic handshake message, MUST fit in a single UDP datagram (see -{{handshake}}). The first CRYPTO frame sent always begins at an offset of 0 -(see {{handshake}}). - -Note that if the server sends a HelloRetryRequest, the client will send a second -Initial packet. This Initial packet will continue the cryptographic handshake -and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO -frame sent in the first Initial packet. Cryptographic handshake messages -subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram. +the start of the first cryptographic handshake message. The first CRYPTO frame ```suggestion the start or all of the first cryptographic handshake message. The first CRYPTO frame ``` -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3045#pullrequestreview-294515748 ----==_mimepart_5d8e60d469e60_41843fe6444cd96040122 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Some minor nits, but the core content looks good.

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In draft-ietf-quic-transport.md:

> @@ -3959,16 +3950,15 @@ Initial packet containing other frames can either discard the packet as spurious
 or treat it as a connection error.
 
 The first packet sent by a client always includes a CRYPTO frame that contains
-the entirety of the first cryptographic handshake message.  This packet, and the
-cryptographic handshake message, MUST fit in a single UDP datagram (see
-{{handshake}}).  The first CRYPTO frame sent always begins at an offset of 0
-(see {{handshake}}).
-
-Note that if the server sends a HelloRetryRequest, the client will send a second
-Initial packet.  This Initial packet will continue the cryptographic handshake
-and will contain a CRYPTO frame with an offset matching the size of the CRYPTO
-frame sent in the first Initial packet.  Cryptographic handshake messages
-subsequent to the first do not need to fit within a single UDP datagram.
+the start of the first cryptographic handshake message.  The first CRYPTO frame

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -589,12 +594,9 @@ QUIC transport parameters, and other negotiable parameters and extensions could
 cause this message to grow.
 
 For servers, in addition to connection IDs and tokens, the size of TLS session
-tickets can have an effect on a client's ability to connect.  Minimizing the
-size of these values increases the probability that they can be successfully
-used by a client.
-
-A client is not required to fit the ClientHello that it sends in response to a
-HelloRetryRequest message into a single UDP datagram.
+tickets can have an effect on a client's ability to connect efficiently.
+Minimizing the size of these values increases the probability that they can be
+successfully used by a client.

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In draft-ietf-quic-tls.md:

> @@ -570,11 +570,16 @@ older than 1.3 is negotiated.
 
 ## ClientHello Size {#clienthello-size}
 
-QUIC requires that the first Initial packet from a client contain an entire
-cryptographic handshake message, which for TLS is the ClientHello.  Though a
-packet larger than 1200 bytes might be supported by the path, a client improves
-the likelihood that a packet is accepted if it ensures that the first
-ClientHello message is small enough to stay within this limit.
+The first Initial packet from a client starts with its first cryptographic

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----==_mimepart_5d8ec516c723e_6b853f874facd968111532-- From nobody Sat Sep 28 00:11:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA74F12003F for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:11:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d4H48_KC_oDH for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-4.smtp.github.com (out-4.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.195]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED681120018 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-9bcb4a1.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.25.84]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C360C60689 for ; Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:11:55 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 00:11:54 -0700 From: Kazuho Oku Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Do Initial secrets change after Retry packet? (#2823) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d8f07baf1c2e_5dc23fd6baacd96c11907b"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: kazuho X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 07:11:58 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d8f07baf1c2e_5dc23fd6baacd96c11907b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reading @martinthomson's comment on https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3014#issuecomment-535016758, I think that the computation cost of mounting a DoS attack would change if we are to retain the original Initial secrets after Retry, as proposed in #2878. In the current design, a server can use Retry packets to enforce clients to do equal amount of HKDF extractions, as the CIDs found in Retry packets update the Initial secrets. However, if we adopt #2878, the clients will given the freedom to choose the Initial key regardless of if Retry is used. That might open new attack vectors. For example, a DDoS attacker might send Initial packets that carry the same DCID (or a small set of DCIDs) from multiple addresses, receive Retry tokens, then send back Initial packets carrying the correct tokens and CIDs. The clients can use the precomputed Initial secrets when sending back the Initial packets, the client. I am not sure how important this kind of attack is, but I think we need to make sure that the change of computation cost is OK. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2823#issuecomment-536161181 ----==_mimepart_5d8f07baf1c2e_5dc23fd6baacd96c11907b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Reading @martinthomson's comment on #3014 (co= mment), I think that the computation cost of mounting a DoS attack wo= uld change if we are to retain the original Initial secrets after Retry, = as proposed in #2878.

In the current design, a server can use Retry packets to enforce clien= ts to do equal amount of HKDF extractions, as the CIDs found in Retry pac= kets update the Initial secrets. However, if we adopt #2878, = the clients will given the freedom to choose the Initial key regardless o= f if Retry is used.

That might open new attack vectors.

For example, a DDoS attacker might send Initial packets that carry the= same DCID (or a small set of DCIDs) from multiple addresses, receive Ret= ry tokens, then send back Initial packets carrying the correct tokens and= CIDs. The clients can use the precomputed Initial secrets when sending b= ack the Initial packets, the client.

I am not sure how important this kind of attack is, but I think we nee= d to make sure that the change of computation cost is OK.

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= ----==_mimepart_5d8f07baf1c2e_5dc23fd6baacd96c11907b-- From nobody Sun Sep 29 08:47:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE171200DE for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:47:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jTSNfs83OvwK for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-22.smtp.github.com (out-22.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.205]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E75C1200D8 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-2e54e43.va3-iad.github.net [10.48.17.27]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A564A0441 for ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 08:47:32 -0700 From: Peter Wu Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] http: Allow unquoted tokens in Alt-Svc quic parameter (#3063) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d90d2142ab25_238f3fc0948cd96481989f"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: Lekensteyn X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 15:47:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d90d2142ab25_238f3fc0948cd96481989f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think that the problem here is independent from whether structured headers should be applied or not. - `Alt-Svc: h3=":443"; quic=1; quic=1abadaba` - Structured header issue: duplicate keys. - `Alt-Svc: h3=":443"; quic=1,1abadaba` - Invalid grammar according to RFC 7838 since "token" does not include commas. - `Alt-Svc: h3=":443"; quic="1,1abadaba"` - valid grammar according to both RFC 7838 and the QUIC description. However, if only a single version has to be advertised, then the quoting is not necessary: - `Alt-Svc: h3=":443"; quic="1"` - valid grammar according to both RFC 7838 and the QUIC description. - `Alt-Svc: h3=":443"; quic=1` - valid grammar according to both RFC 7838, but QUIC currently forbids it. In #3059 I proposed to fix the grammar (editorial issue). However, at the same time I could also make the grammar match RFC 7838 (the last bullet point above). @DavidSchinazi I would mind not making the semantics more restrictive (e.g. restricting the values of the QUIC parameter to hexadecimal only), but restricting the parser grammar would impose extra restrictions on those who have to generate the header. It is conceivable that implementations will continue accepting the RFC 7838 grammar, and end up accepting `quic=1` while others would reject it and accept `quic="1"` only. By making sure that the grammars align, I hope that this becomes a non-issue. So far @mikkelfj, @tatsuhiro-t and @bagder seems to support this proposal and @DavidSchinazi is not sure. Can this be considered consensus? :smiley: -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3063#issuecomment-536314485 ----==_mimepart_5d90d2142ab25_238f3fc0948cd96481989f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think that the problem here is independent from whether structured h= eaders should be applied or not.

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  • Alt-Svc: h3=3D":443"; quic=3D1; quic=3D1abadaba - Struct= ured header issue: duplicate keys.
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  • Alt-Svc: h3=3D":443"; quic=3D1,1abadaba - Invalid gramma= r according to RFC 7838 since "token" does not include commas.
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  • Alt-Svc: h3=3D":443"; quic=3D"1,1abadaba" - valid gramma= r according to both RFC 7838 and the QUIC description.
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However, if only a single version has to be advertised, then the quoti= ng is not necessary:

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  • Alt-Svc: h3=3D":443"; quic=3D"1" - valid grammar accordi= ng to both RFC 7838 and the QUIC description.
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  • Alt-Svc: h3=3D":443"; quic=3D1 - valid grammar according= to both RFC 7838, but QUIC currently forbids it.
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In #3059 I proposed to fix the grammar (editorial issue)= . However, at the same time I could also make the grammar match RFC 7838 = (the last bullet point above).

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@DavidSchinazi I would mind not making the semantics m= ore restrictive (e.g. restricting the values of the QUIC parameter to hex= adecimal only), but restricting the parser grammar would impose extra res= trictions on those who have to generate the header. It is conceivable tha= t implementations will continue accepting the RFC 7838 grammar, and end u= p accepting quic=3D1 while others would reject it and accept= quic=3D"1" only. By making sure that the grammars align, I = hope that this becomes a non-issue.

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So far @mikkelfj, @tatsuhiro-t and @bagder<= /a> seems to support this proposal and @DavidSchinazi is = not sure. Can this be considered consensus? =F0=9F=98=83

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The Stream Types registry (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-23#section-11.6) currently lists two types only (0 - control, 1 - push).

While working on a dissector for the base HTTP/3 protocol, I ran across 2 and 3. It turns out these are defined in the QPACK document (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-qpack-10#section-8.2) with 2 - QPACK Encoder Stream, 3 - QPACK Decoder Stream.

Since QPACK has already been referenced multiple times from the -http document, what about mentioning (or registering) the two codepoints in the -http document and reference to the -qpack document for the definition?

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I don't think that the text here resolves the issue. I agree that you need to have a constant time comparison, but I don't believe it needs to post-date the MAC check, because the attacker knows that there is an invalid MAC. I don't object to landing the PR, but it doesn't resolve this issue.

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I do not believe that this is necessarily correct. The reason is that we have not yet nailed down Initial key discard and in at least one version, an Initial ACK would appear in the client's second flight, but that need not be padded.

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----==_mimepart_5d914a349a79c_2db43fe51eecd96410823c-- From nobody Mon Sep 30 10:59:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: quic-issues@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F7EC12002F for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:59:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.353 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_20=1.546, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MAILING_LIST_MULTI=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yWxqEL2TsPLA for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out-5.smtp.github.com (out-5.smtp.github.com [192.30.252.196]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 383C212001E for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:59:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net (github-lowworker-5825cd4.ac4-iad.github.net [10.52.22.68]) by smtp.github.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E6CE9605E2 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 10:59:30 -0700 From: Mike Bishop Reply-To: quicwg/base-drafts To: quicwg/base-drafts Cc: Subscribed Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [quicwg/base-drafts] Handling of Retire Prior To field (#3046) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--==_mimepart_5d924282f312e_37b3fa0a46cd96c715e1"; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: list X-GitHub-Sender: MikeBishop X-GitHub-Recipient: quic-issues X-GitHub-Reason: subscribed X-Auto-Response-Suppress: All X-GitHub-Recipient-Address: quic-issues@ietf.org Archived-At: X-BeenThere: quic-issues@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Notification list for GitHub issues related to the QUIC WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2019 17:59:35 -0000 ----==_mimepart_5d924282f312e_37b3fa0a46cd96c715e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit IIRC, the base of the SHOULD was that we didn't have a specific timeout anyone felt comfortable enforcing in the absence of shared timers between peers. We've had a general principle that requirements you can't tell whether the peer violated are probably SHOULDs instead of MUSTs. As Nick says, the SHOULD is intended to refer to doing so promptly, not to doing so at all. -- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread. Reply to this email directly or view it on GitHub: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3046#issuecomment-536677973 ----==_mimepart_5d924282f312e_37b3fa0a46cd96c715e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

IIRC, the base of the SHOULD was that we didn't have a specific timeout anyone felt comfortable enforcing in the absence of shared timers between peers. We've had a general principle that requirements you can't tell whether the peer violated are probably SHOULDs instead of MUSTs. As Nick says, the SHOULD is intended to refer to doing so promptly, not to doing so at all.

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