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There could also be a size field of sorts that specify the size of a trailing integrity check without specifying it. Some QUIC versions may later be defined to understand such a field. And even later versions might choose a new check and reject older formats. All we need is to reserve the space for it now. It could be used in a smuggling attack of sorts, I suppose.

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<p>There could also be a size field of sorts that specify the size of a trailing integrity check without specifying it. Some QUIC versions may later be defined to understand such a field. And even later versions might choose a new check and reject older formats. All we need is to reserve the space for it now. It could be used in a smuggling attack of sorts, I suppose.</p>

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  Changed paths:
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b7b06086078b65ee99c456ad97643bb87146d9c1  Add invariants to the list


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Robert Wilton said:

> A trivial discuss that should hopefully be easy to resolve, and it is plausible
> that the resolution may end up being in the QUIC transport document:
> 
> In this document, the unused bits are defined as:
> 
>                    Figure 4: Version Negotiation Packet
> 
>    Only the most significant bit of the first byte of a Version
>    Negotiation packet has any defined value.  The remaining 7 bits,
>    labeled Unused, can be set to any value when sending and MUST be
>    ignored on receipt.
> 
> In the QUIC transport document, they are defined as this:
> 
>                    Figure 14: Version Negotiation Packet
> 
>    The value in the Unused field is selected randomly by the server.
>    Clients MUST ignore the value of this field.  Servers SHOULD set the
>    most significant bit of this field (0x40) to 1 so that Version
>    Negotiation packets appear to have the Fixed Bit field.
> 
> I would have expected that these two should be consistent as to whether the
> Fixed Bit SHOULD be set to 1 or not.  Given draft-thomson-quic-bit-grease-00,
> it might be better if the SHOULD is removed from QUIC transport, but I will
> defer to the experts here.

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<p></p>
<p>Robert Wilton said:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>A trivial discuss that should hopefully be easy to resolve, and it is plausible<br>
that the resolution may end up being in the QUIC transport document:</p>
<p>In this document, the unused bits are defined as:</p>
<pre><code>               Figure 4: Version Negotiation Packet
</code></pre>
<p>Only the most significant bit of the first byte of a Version<br>
Negotiation packet has any defined value.  The remaining 7 bits,<br>
labeled Unused, can be set to any value when sending and MUST be<br>
ignored on receipt.</p>
<p>In the QUIC transport document, they are defined as this:</p>
<pre><code>               Figure 14: Version Negotiation Packet
</code></pre>
<p>The value in the Unused field is selected randomly by the server.<br>
Clients MUST ignore the value of this field.  Servers SHOULD set the<br>
most significant bit of this field (0x40) to 1 so that Version<br>
Negotiation packets appear to have the Fixed Bit field.</p>
<p>I would have expected that these two should be consistent as to whether the<br>
Fixed Bit SHOULD be set to 1 or not.  Given draft-thomson-quic-bit-grease-00,<br>
it might be better if the SHOULD is removed from QUIC transport, but I will<br>
defer to the experts here.</p>
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> Not at DISCUSS level, but I do question whether quic-transport should be a
normative reference, as none of this really makes much sense without that.

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<p>Not at DISCUSS level, but I do question whether quic-transport should be a<br>
normative reference, as none of this really makes much sense without that.</p>
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This was a deliberate decision, but we only have informative references in both directions, which seems wrong.  I would instead suggest that -transport normatively reference -invariants.

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<p>This was a deliberate decision, but we only have informative references in both directions, which seems wrong.  I would instead suggest that -transport normatively reference -invariants.</p>

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I think that Rob's suggestion to remove the "SHOULD" is ideal.

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<p>I think that Rob's suggestion to remove the "SHOULD" is ideal.</p>

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If you read the very first reference in the overview, it&#39;s fairly clear
that this reference should be normative.

Closes #4469.
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  * Make invariants reference normative in transport

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<p>If you read the very first reference in the overview, it's fairly clear<br>
that this reference should be normative.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4469.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778437317" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4469" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4469/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4469">#4469</a>.</p>

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Closes #4468.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471

-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove SHOULD regarding QUIC bit on VN

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4468.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778095435" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4468" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4468/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4468">#4468</a>.</p>

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  <li>Remove SHOULD regarding QUIC bit on VN</li>
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@coopdanger notes:
> Section 17.4: For someone coming to this new, it might not be obvious why
requiring the disabling of the spin bit on a fraction of connections is useful.
This may be worth a sentence of explanation.

My understanding is that this exists both to protect the ability of endpoints to opt out and to ensure that monitoring is robust when the opt-out is exercised.

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<p>Section 17.4: For someone coming to this new, it might not be obvious why<br>
requiring the disabling of the spin bit on a fraction of connections is useful.<br>
This may be worth a sentence of explanation.</p>
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<p>My understanding is that this exists both to protect the ability of endpoints to opt out and to ensure that monitoring is robust when the opt-out is exercised.</p>

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> @@ -4258,8 +4258,9 @@ Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD; {{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC8201}})
 relies on reception of ICMP messages (e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that
 indicate when an IP packet is dropped because it is larger than the local router
 MTU. DPLPMTUD can also optionally use these messages.  This use of ICMP messages
-is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the
-addresses used on the path and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value.
+is potentially vulnerable to attacks by elements that cannot observe packets

elements or entities or does it matter? "path elements" is used only once elsewhere in the I-D.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462#discussion_r551691402">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4258,8 +4258,9 @@ Path Maximum Transmission Unit Discovery (PMTUD; {{!RFC1191}}, {{!RFC8201}})
 relies on reception of ICMP messages (e.g., IPv6 Packet Too Big messages) that
 indicate when an IP packet is dropped because it is larger than the local router
 MTU. DPLPMTUD can also optionally use these messages.  This use of ICMP messages
-is potentially vulnerable to off-path attacks that successfully guess the
-addresses used on the path and reduce the PMTU to a bandwidth-inefficient value.
+is potentially vulnerable to attacks by elements that cannot observe packets
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  Branch: refs/heads/off-path-defn
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d5f25cf8498c2318b3ef62971cac2cf56505ef0
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-05 (Tue, 05 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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I made some proposed tweaks in my local copy as I was doing my IESG review.
This pull request contains the suggetsions for -invariants and -tls (sorry if that is not the preferred workflow; there&#39;s just one change to invariants and it&#39;s in its own commit, so it will be easy to separate if needed).
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-- Commit Summary --

  * invariants: clarify authentication requirements for version negotiation
  * TLS does not have a &quot;Handshake Layer&quot;
  * Drop the &quot;Perfect&quot; from PFS
  * Editorial suggestions from IESG Evaluation

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md (2)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (83)

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<p>I made some proposed tweaks in my local copy as I was doing my IESG review.<br>
This pull request contains the suggetsions for -invariants and -tls (sorry if that is not the preferred workflow; there's just one change to invariants and it's in its own commit, so it will be easy to separate if needed).</p>

<hr>

<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>invariants: clarify authentication requirements for version negotiation</li>
  <li>TLS does not have a &quot;Handshake Layer&quot;</li>
  <li>Drop the &quot;Perfect&quot; from PFS</li>
  <li>Editorial suggestions from IESG Evaluation</li>
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@kaduk commented on this pull request.



> @@ -344,7 +344,7 @@ requires that middleboxes retain state for every connection ID they see.
 
 The Version Negotiation packet described in this document is not
 integrity-protected; it only has modest protection against insertion by off-path
-attackers.  An endpoint MUST authenticate the contents of a Version Negotiation
+attackers.  An endpoint MUST authenticate the semantic content of a Version Negotiation

(some discussion of the motivation for this is in the commit message)

> @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ Internally, TLS is a layered protocol, with the structure shown in
 
 ~~~~
           +-------------+------------+--------------+---------+
-Handshake |             |            |  Application |         |
+Content   |             |            |  Application |         |

I really don't think it's appropriate to lump Application Data and the Alert Protocol into something called the "Handshake Layer".  I'm not tied to "Content Layer", but "Handshake Layer" is not accurate.

> @@ -681,9 +684,9 @@ Endpoints that use session resumption might need to remember some information
 about the current connection when creating a resumed connection. TLS requires
 that some information be retained; see Section 4.6.1 of {{!TLS13}}. QUIC itself
 does not depend on any state being retained when resuming a connection, unless
-0-RTT is also used; see {{enable-0rtt}} and Section 7.4.1 of

This renders as "Section 4.6.1 and Section 7.4.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]"; swapping the order makes it clear which section reference is in this document.

> @@ -720,10 +723,15 @@ notably those caused by the potential exposure to replay attack; see {{replay}}.
 
 ### Enabling 0-RTT {#enable-0rtt}
 
-To communicate their willingness to process 0-RTT data, servers send a
-NewSessionTicket message that contains the early_data extension with a
-max_early_data_size of 0xffffffff.  The TLS max_early_data_size parameter is not
-used in QUIC.  The amount of data that the client can send in 0-RTT is
+The TLS "early_data" extension in the NewSessionTicket message is defined
+to convey (in the "max_early_data_size" parameter) the amount of TLS 0-RTT
+data the server is willing to accept.  QUIC does not use TLS 0-RTT data;
+instead, QUIC has its own 0-RTT stream.  Accordingly, the
+"max_early_data_size" parameter is repurposed to hold a sentinel value
+0xffffffff to indicate that the server is willing to accept QUIC 0-RTT data;
+to indicate that the server does not accept 0-RTT data, the "early_data"
+extension is omitted from the NewSessionTicket.

(This all might become moot depending on the resolution of my discuss point.)

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<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473#discussion_r551716810">draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -344,7 +344,7 @@ requires that middleboxes retain state for every connection ID they see.
 
 The Version Negotiation packet described in this document is not
 integrity-protected; it only has modest protection against insertion by off-path
-attackers.  An endpoint MUST authenticate the contents of a Version Negotiation
+attackers.  An endpoint MUST authenticate the semantic content of a Version Negotiation
</pre>
<p>(some discussion of the motivation for this is in the commit message)</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473#discussion_r551716950">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ Internally, TLS is a layered protocol, with the structure shown in
 
 ~~~~
           +-------------+------------+--------------+---------+
-Handshake |             |            |  Application |         |
+Content   |             |            |  Application |         |
</pre>
<p>I really don't think it's appropriate to lump Application Data and the Alert Protocol into something called the "Handshake Layer".  I'm not tied to "Content Layer", but "Handshake Layer" is not accurate.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473#discussion_r551717408">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -681,9 +684,9 @@ Endpoints that use session resumption might need to remember some information
 about the current connection when creating a resumed connection. TLS requires
 that some information be retained; see Section 4.6.1 of {{!TLS13}}. QUIC itself
 does not depend on any state being retained when resuming a connection, unless
-0-RTT is also used; see {{enable-0rtt}} and Section 7.4.1 of
</pre>
<p>This renders as "Section 4.6.1 and Section 7.4.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT]"; swapping the order makes it clear which section reference is in this document.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473#discussion_r551717512">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -720,10 +723,15 @@ notably those caused by the potential exposure to replay attack; see {{replay}}.
 
 ### Enabling 0-RTT {#enable-0rtt}
 
-To communicate their willingness to process 0-RTT data, servers send a
-NewSessionTicket message that contains the early_data extension with a
-max_early_data_size of 0xffffffff.  The TLS max_early_data_size parameter is not
-used in QUIC.  The amount of data that the client can send in 0-RTT is
+The TLS &quot;early_data&quot; extension in the NewSessionTicket message is defined
+to convey (in the &quot;max_early_data_size&quot; parameter) the amount of TLS 0-RTT
+data the server is willing to accept.  QUIC does not use TLS 0-RTT data;
+instead, QUIC has its own 0-RTT stream.  Accordingly, the
+&quot;max_early_data_size&quot; parameter is repurposed to hold a sentinel value
+0xffffffff to indicate that the server is willing to accept QUIC 0-RTT data;
+to indicate that the server does not accept 0-RTT data, the &quot;early_data&quot;
+extension is omitted from the NewSessionTicket.
</pre>
<p>(This all might become moot depending on the resolution of my discuss point.)</p>

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Does someone remember why this SHOULD was added? The fixed bit is useful in the client-to-server direction because it allows servers to demultiplex QUIC with other protocols, but I don't remember what benefit it provided in the server-to-client direction.

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<p>Does someone remember why this SHOULD was added? The fixed bit is useful in the client-to-server direction because it allows servers to demultiplex QUIC with other protocols, but I don't remember what benefit it provided in the server-to-client direction.</p>

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I believe there 'could' be applications(ie: WebRTC) which share a port with QUIC and might want to use this bit to demux even on the client side, but that's seems like a pretty theoretical problem, so I'd be inclined to drop the SHOULD.

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Good point, also 4.7 currently has TLP in the title, but doesn't use it anywhere else in the section, so I'll add some text on TLP too.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-33#section-4.7

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<p>Good point, also 4.7 currently has TLP in the title, but doesn't use it anywhere else in the section, so I'll add some text on TLP too.</p>
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> @@ -6706,19 +6709,19 @@ An off-path attacker can:
 
 An off-path attacker cannot:
 
-- Modify any part of a packet
+- Modify packets sent by endpoints

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462#discussion_r552231281">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6706,19 +6709,19 @@ An off-path attacker can:
 
 An off-path attacker cannot:
 
-- Modify any part of a packet
+- Modify packets sent by endpoints
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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I think the limitations could be a be clearer, but heading in a good direction.

> @@ -1811,10 +1812,12 @@ EncryptedExtensions messages without the quic_transport_parameters extension
 MUST close the connection with an error of type 0x16d (equivalent to a fatal TLS
 missing_extension alert, see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-While the transport parameters are technically available prior to the completion
-of the handshake, they cannot be fully trusted until the handshake completes,
-and reliance on them should be minimized.  However, any tampering with the
-parameters will cause the handshake to fail.
+Transport parameters become available prior to the completion of the handshake.
+Using these values earlier than handshake completion is necessary at the server

I'm not sure it's necessary to send 1-RTT packets prior to handshake completion, but it is necessary to send many things, such as data on streams in 0.5RTT packets.

Also, the way this is written, it could be read as sending 1-RTT packets from server to client requires using these values prior to handshake completion, which I realize isn't your intent.

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<p>I think the limitations could be a be clearer, but heading in a good direction.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4463#discussion_r552253306">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1811,10 +1812,12 @@ EncryptedExtensions messages without the quic_transport_parameters extension
 MUST close the connection with an error of type 0x16d (equivalent to a fatal TLS
 missing_extension alert, see {{tls-errors}}).
 
-While the transport parameters are technically available prior to the completion
-of the handshake, they cannot be fully trusted until the handshake completes,
-and reliance on them should be minimized.  However, any tampering with the
-parameters will cause the handshake to fail.
+Transport parameters become available prior to the completion of the handshake.
+Using these values earlier than handshake completion is necessary at the server
</pre>
<p>I'm not sure it's necessary to send 1-RTT packets prior to handshake completion, but it is necessary to send many things, such as data on streams in 0.5RTT packets.</p>
<p>Also, the way this is written, it could be read as sending 1-RTT packets from server to client requires using these values prior to handshake completion, which I realize isn't your intent.</p>

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> "TLS encryption level".  While it's true that the keys are being=0D
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> extension in the handshake, but I don't think we are attempting to=0D
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@kaduk said:=0D
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> Section 5.2=0D
> =0D
>    This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of=0D=

>    [HKDF]) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a an=
d=0D
>    a IKM of the Destination Connection ID field.  This produces an=0D
>    intermediate pseudorandom key (PRK) that is used to derive two=0D
>    separate secrets for sending and receiving.=0D
> =0D
> [I was going to say something about all-zeros providing the same level=0D=

> of cryptographic protection, but then I saw the discussion at=0D
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4325 and the note further=0D=

> down that new versions of QUIC should pick different salt values.]=0D
> I assume this holds for the final RFC version as compared to the I-Ds,=0D=

> and https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3711 suggests that a new=
=0D
> (random) salt should be chosen for the final RFC version, but I didn't=0D=

> see an open issue in github for it, so I'll mention it here just in cas=
e=0D
> that helps.  (The retry key+nonce in =C2=A75.8 seem to be in a similar =
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> and the examples in the appendix would need to be adjusted as well, of=0D=

> course.)=0D
> =0D
>    initial_secret =3D HKDF-Extract(initial_salt,=0D
>                                  client_dst_connection_id)=0D
> =0D
>    client_initial_secret =3D HKDF-Expand-Label(initial_secret,=0D
>                                              "client in", "",=0D
>                                              Hash.length)=0D
>    server_initial_secret =3D HKDF-Expand-Label(initial_secret,=0D
>                                              "server in", "",=0D
>                                              Hash.length)=0D
> =0D
> (editorial) I wonder a bit if the rhetoric would be more clear if we di=
d=0D
> not call the "initial_secret" a "secret", since it is just an=0D
> intermediate value used for constructing secrets and not used directly=0D=

> to construct keys, itself.  (The idea would be to hew to the TLS 1.3=0D=

> terminology where specific named Secrets are used to drive=0D
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<p>initial_secret =3D HKDF-Extract(initial_salt,<br>=0D
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<p>client_initial_secret =3D HKDF-Expand-Label(initial_secret,<br>=0D
"client in", "",<br>=0D
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server_initial_secret =3D HKDF-Expand-Label(initial_secret,<br>=0D
"server in", "",<br>=0D
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<p>(editorial) I wonder a bit if the rhetoric would be more clear if we d=
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@kaduk said:=0D
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> Section 6.6=0D
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>    AEAD protection.  The integrity protections in authenticated=0D
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>    packets.  TLS achieves this by closing connections after any record=0D=

>    fails an authentication check.  In comparison, QUIC ignores any=0D
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> =0D
> QUIC seems very analogous to DTLS in this regard, and DTLS 1.3 also has=
=0D
> similar text about AEAD limits for integrity.  Perhaps a brief mention=0D=

> that they are essentially the same is useful?=0D
> =0D
>    For AEAD_AES_128_GCM and AEAD_AES_256_GCM, the confidentiality limit=
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>    AEAD_CHACHA20_POLY1305, the confidentiality limit is greater than th=
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>    AEAD_AES_128_CCM, the confidentiality limit is 2^21.5 encrypted=0D
>    packets; see Appendix B.2.  Applying a limit reduces the probability=
=0D
>    that an attacker can distinguish the AEAD in use from a random=0D
>    permutation; see [AEBounds], [ROBUST], and [GCM-MU].=0D
>    [...]=0D
>    Note:  These limits were originally calculated using assumptions=0D
>       about the limits on TLS record size.  The maximum size of a TLS=0D=

>       record is 2^14 bytes.  In comparison, QUIC packets can be up to=0D=

>       2^16 bytes.  However, it is expected that QUIC packets will=0D
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>       larger than 2^14 bytes in length, smaller limits might be needed.=
=0D
> =0D
> (This seems to say that we're just reusing the TLS numbers even though=0D=

> in theory we do allow larger packets.  But if that's the case, why do=0D=

> the actual numbers we present differ from the ones given for DTLS 1.3?=0D=

> The actual text in Appendix B suggests that we are not actually reusing=
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> =0D
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>    specified for the number of packets that can be authenticated and fo=
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>    varying usage conditions.=0D
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> DTLS 1.3 imposes essentially the same requirement.  IIUC it would be=0D=

> acceptable to use the same limit for DTLS 1.3 and for QUIC, and we=0D
> should perhaps say that if a cipher is allowed for one it is allowed fo=
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AEAD protection.  The integrity protections in authenticated<br>=0D
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> The fixed bit is useful in the client-to-server direction because it allows servers to demultiplex QUIC with other protocols, but I don't remember what benefit it provided in the server-to-client direction.

In a p2p setup, you might run QUIC clients and servers on the same port (in fact, that's what we're doing in libp2p), so demultiplexing might be important for both sides in that case.

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Thanks Ben, this is mostly good.  I have a few suggestions, but I am planning to accept this with those (and some cleanup) assuming that we don't get better advice on "Content Layer".

> @@ -403,8 +406,8 @@ acquires handshake bytes before sending its first packet.  A QUIC server starts
 the process by providing TLS with the client's handshake bytes.
 
 At any time, the TLS stack at an endpoint will have a current sending
-encryption level and receiving encryption level. Encryption levels determine
-the packet type and keys that are used for protecting data.
+encryption level and receiving encryption level. TLS Encryption levels determine

```suggestion
encryption level and receiving encryption level. TLS encryption levels determine
```

> +data the server is willing to accept.  QUIC does not use TLS 0-RTT data;
+instead, QUIC has its own 0-RTT stream.  Accordingly, the

```suggestion
data the server is willing to accept.  QUIC does not use TLS 0-RTT data.
QUIC uses 0-RTT packets to carry early data.  Accordingly, the
```

> @@ -2142,9 +2151,9 @@ Because the header uses a 4-byte packet number encoding, the first 16 bytes of
 the protected payload is sampled, then applied to the header:
 
 ~~~
-sample = d1b1c98dd7689fb8ec11d242b123dc9b
+sampled_data = d1b1c98dd7689fb8ec11d242b123dc9b

```suggestion
sampled_bytes = d1b1c98dd7689fb8ec11d242b123dc9b
```

>  
-mask = AES-ECB(hp, sample)[0..4]
+mask = AES-ECB(hp, sampled_data)[0..4]

```suggestion
mask = AES-ECB(hp, sampled_bytes)[0..4]
```

> @@ -2050,7 +2059,7 @@ included. All values are shown in hexadecimal.
 
 ## Keys
 
-The labels generated during the execution of the HKDF-Expand-Label function and
+The labels (Hkdf.label) generated during the execution of the HKDF-Expand-Label function and

I don't think that this is right.  I think that you mean:

```suggestion
The labels generated during the execution of the HKDF-Expand-Label function (that is, HkdfLabel.label) and part of the value
```

> @@ -2221,7 +2230,7 @@ As a result, after protection, the header protection sample is taken starting
 from the third protected byte:
 
 ~~~
-sample = 2cd0991cd25b0aac406a5816b6394100
+sampled_data = 2cd0991cd25b0aac406a5816b6394100

```suggestion
sampled_bytes = 2cd0991cd25b0aac406a5816b6394100
```

> @@ -2300,7 +2309,7 @@ The resulting ciphertext is the minimum size possible. One byte is skipped to
 produce the sample for header protection.
 
 ~~~
-sample = 5e5cd55c41f69080575d7999c25a5bfb
+sampled_data = 5e5cd55c41f69080575d7999c25a5bfb

```suggestion
sampled_bytes = 5e5cd55c41f69080575d7999c25a5bfb
```

> @@ -154,7 +154,7 @@ Internally, TLS is a layered protocol, with the structure shown in
 
 ~~~~
           +-------------+------------+--------------+---------+
-Handshake |             |            |  Application |         |
+Content   |             |            |  Application |         |

@ekr, do you have any opinion on this?

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Having just reviewed all instances of 0-RTT, I'm not seeing anything that I disagree with in terms of tone and posture.  Most of the language does treat 0-RTT as a normal part of the protocol, though it is very careful to highlight the risks.  I think that is entirely appropriate.

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I will suggest that we strike the "only" here.

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  Branch: refs/heads/0rtt-not-only-resumed
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  0-RTT is possible without prior communication

Though I guess provisioning of a PSK depends on prior communication of a
sort, there is no need to be so absolute here.

Closes #4478.



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Though I guess provisioning of a PSK depends on prior communication of a
sort, there is no need to be so absolute here.

Closes #4478.
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  * 0-RTT is possible without prior communication

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (2)

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<p>Though I guess provisioning of a PSK depends on prior communication of a<br>
sort, there is no need to be so absolute here.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4478.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779911760" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4478" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4478/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4478">#4478</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>0-RTT is possible without prior communication</li>
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Important enough to call out in this section.

Closes #4479.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4553

-- Commit Summary --

  * It is important to agree on who authenticates

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4)

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<p>Important enough to call out in this section.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4479.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779912423" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4479" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4479/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4479">#4479</a>.</p>

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  <li>It is important to agree on who authenticates</li>
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This is really two comments, but I think we can dispense with both at the same time as the first is really trivial:

1. The use of "TLS encryption level" is an unnecessary redundancy and inconsistent with other usage, so we can easily remove "TLS" there.
2. The start of that paragraph is cruft.  I'm going to suggest we only keep the last sentence, which was unquoted in this issue.  But then I see that we are missing important context, so I'm going to suggest a little bit of text to replace it.

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<p>This is really two comments, but I think we can dispense with both at the same time as the first is really trivial:</p>
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<li>The use of "TLS encryption level" is an unnecessary redundancy and inconsistent with other usage, so we can easily remove "TLS" there.</li>
<li>The start of that paragraph is cruft.  I'm going to suggest we only keep the last sentence, which was unquoted in this issue.  But then I see that we are missing important context, so I'm going to suggest a little bit of text to replace it.</li>
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The first strikes &quot;TLS&quot; from encryption level

The second removes misleading text about coalescing

I&#39;m suggesting that we replace it with explanatory language about encryption levels and packet number spaces.  This context is now missing as a result of moving the referenced text to -transport.
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  * Strike &quot;TLS&quot; from encryption level
  * Remove misleading text about coalescing

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (12)

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<p>The first strikes "TLS" from encryption level</p>
<p>The second removes misleading text about coalescing</p>
<p>I'm suggesting that we replace it with explanatory language about encryption levels and packet number spaces.  This context is now missing as a result of moving the referenced text to -transport.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Strike &quot;TLS&quot; from encryption level</li>
  <li>Remove misleading text about coalescing</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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I think that the last sentence is correct.  TLS could spontaneously generate data to send (as a result of some new extension perhaps), and we don't need new mechanisms to support that.  This is really just an observation about how TLS *as it is defined today* operates.  (FWIW, an existing stack might generate a heartbeat message, but I think that was so violently disabled after heartbleed that we won't see it again.)

As suggested, the proposal here is to close with no action.

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<p>I think that the last sentence is correct.  TLS could spontaneously generate data to send (as a result of some new extension perhaps), and we don't need new mechanisms to support that.  This is really just an observation about how TLS <em>as it is defined today</em> operates.  (FWIW, an existing stack might generate a heartbeat message, but I think that was so violently disabled after heartbleed that we won't see it again.)</p>
<p>As suggested, the proposal here is to close with no action.</p>

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Ben observed that this might be at odds with the definition of the
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Ben observed that this might be at odds with the definition of the
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Closes #4482.
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<p>Ben observed that this might be at odds with the definition of the<br>
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structure is valuable.  More text on that might help.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4482.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779914196" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4482" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4482/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4482">#4482</a>.</p>

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I think that the multiple invocations is enough to call out.  However, th=
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  For reference, the [requirement](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-i=
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  Branch: refs/heads/tls-interface-confirmed
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Add Handshake Confirmed to the TLS interface

Though this doesn't really need to be shown here to illustrate the
interface between the stack components, the state is defined in this
section, so it makes sense to show it.  For completeness, if nothing
else (or is it confirmedness?).

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Though this doesn&#39;t really need to be shown here to illustrate the
interface between the stack components, the state is defined in this
section, so it makes sense to show it.  For completeness, if nothing
else (or is it confirmedness?).

Originally raised in #4480.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4568

-- Commit Summary --

  * Add Handshake Confirmed to the TLS interface

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4)

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<p>Though this doesn't really need to be shown here to illustrate the<br>
interface between the stack components, the state is defined in this<br>
section, so it makes sense to show it.  For completeness, if nothing<br>
else (or is it confirmedness?).</p>
<p>Originally raised in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779912951" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4480" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4480/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4480">#4480</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Add Handshake Confirmed to the TLS interface</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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Closes #4483.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4569

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  * Cite 8.1 of -transport for Initial padding

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4483.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779914747" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4483" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4483/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4483">#4483</a>.</p>

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  <li>Cite 8.1 of -transport for Initial padding</li>
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Seems reasonable.  I took the opportunity to reword a little.

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Another case of two comments.

The first regarding use of PSK is probably amply addressed by #4473.  Note also the use of the word "typically", which exists specifically because of this exception.

The second is something that I avoided deliberately, because it might be that we decide that there is a way to use post_handshake_auth (maybe using something embedded in certificate_request_context).  As you say, not sending the extension is the easiest path to success.

Proposal here is no change.

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<p>Another case of two comments.</p>
<p>The first regarding use of PSK is probably amply addressed by <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778581769" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4473" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473">#4473</a>.  Note also the use of the word "typically", which exists specifically because of this exception.</p>
<p>The second is something that I avoided deliberately, because it might be that we decide that there is a way to use post_handshake_auth (maybe using something embedded in certificate_request_context).  As you say, not sending the extension is the easiest path to success.</p>
<p>Proposal here is no change.</p>

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  Closure alerts are errors too

This changes the shape of the requirement from one that proscribes the
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alert.  This recommends treating them as fatal as QUIC never
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This is a normative change that should have no practical effect on
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This changes the shape of the requirement from one that proscribes the
behaviour of a TLS stack to the reaction of QUIC to a warning level
alert.  This recommends treating them as fatal as QUIC never
deliberately closes TLS.

This is a normative change that should have no practical effect on
implementations.

Closes #4485.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4570

-- Commit Summary --

  * Closure alerts are errors too

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7)

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<p>This changes the shape of the requirement from one that proscribes the<br>
behaviour of a TLS stack to the reaction of QUIC to a warning level<br>
alert.  This recommends treating them as fatal as QUIC never<br>
deliberately closes TLS.</p>
<p>This is a normative change that should have no practical effect on<br>
implementations.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4485.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779915658" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4485" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4485/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4485">#4485</a>.</p>

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4570'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4570</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Closure alerts are errors too</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4570/files#diff-258c0e56cd25b2cce385b9288501d13cca7bbfb03b05a2e569ac1d0cd295f650">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
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I'm going to request that we flag this one "design".

I think that we want to say:

1. the TLS connection is never closed using TLS mechanisms
2. QUIC can treat any TLS alert as fatal

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<p>I think that we want to say:</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/23cc52644487a3aff4364329e360a639a4fd24d7
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Make invariants reference normative in transport

If you read the very first reference in the overview, it's fairly clear
that this reference should be normative.

Closes #4469.


  Commit: 1f2efc138b40a994eba341190e2f5456b51c3b1c
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  Merge pull request #4470 from quicwg/transport-invariants-normative

Make invariants reference normative in transport


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2ce4e838b3cc...1f2efc138b40


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That is correct.  The idea is to ensure that you leave enough time for badly reordered or delayed packets to get through so that you can process them rather than be forced to throw them away.  

We've used this same value throughout because even if there is some difference in what different endpoints think, it's more than generous enough to catch any stragglers.

In practice, this could be much less.  Packets are declared lost by their sender after 9/8 of an RTT, and this only needs to capture variances in the one-way delay, so you might reasonably drop much sooner (9/16ths of an RTT, say).  But nor is there any real harm in keeping the keys, so we use the generous value and stick with the same timer value for all of this sort of thing.

Proposal here is no change.

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<p>That is correct.  The idea is to ensure that you leave enough time for badly reordered or delayed packets to get through so that you can process them rather than be forced to throw them away.</p>
<p>We've used this same value throughout because even if there is some difference in what different endpoints think, it's more than generous enough to catch any stragglers.</p>
<p>In practice, this could be much less.  Packets are declared lost by their sender after 9/8 of an RTT, and this only needs to capture variances in the one-way delay, so you might reasonably drop much sooner (9/16ths of an RTT, say).  But nor is there any real harm in keeping the keys, so we use the generous value and stick with the same timer value for all of this sort of thing.</p>
<p>Proposal here is no change.</p>

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The first here is in the process of being addressed, see #4462.

I agree regarding "strong", but also agree regarding what to do about it.

My proposal is to let #4462 close this issue.

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<p>The first here is in the process of being addressed, see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="773320116" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4462" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462">#4462</a>.</p>
<p>I agree regarding "strong", but also agree regarding what to do about it.</p>
<p>My proposal is to let <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="773320116" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4462" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462">#4462</a> close this issue.</p>

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Yes, this was to avoid collision with p2p protocols. As I recall, we had decided that this would be something we would recommend for v1, but not require this for future versions... and that if both endpoints agreed, then they could set the bit to something other than 1. I don't see why we should change this.

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> @@ -235,7 +235,7 @@ Data is protected using a number of encryption levels:
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-The 0-RTT handshake is only possible if the client and server have previously
+The 0-RTT handshake can be enabled if the client and server have previously

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> +TLS need to agree on which is responsible for validation of peer credentials
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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

one suggestion, but lgtm

>  encryption level.  As with TLS over TCP, once TLS handshake data has been
 delivered to QUIC, it is QUIC's responsibility to deliver it reliably. Each
 chunk of data that is produced by TLS is associated with the set of keys that
 TLS is currently using.  If QUIC needs to retransmit that data, it MUST use the
 same keys even if TLS has already updated to newer keys.
 
-One important difference between TLS records (used with TCP) and QUIC CRYPTO
-frames is that in QUIC multiple frames may appear in the same QUIC packet as
-long as they are associated with the same packet number space. For instance,
-an endpoint can bundle a Handshake message and an ACK for some Handshake data
-into the same packet. Some frames are prohibited in different packet number
-spaces; see Section 12.5 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+Encryption levels each correspond to packet number space.  The packet number

```suggestion
Each encryption level corresponds to a packet number space.  The packet number
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  Branch: refs/heads/hkdf-expand-label-context
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  Changed paths:
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  Define Context and Length inputs to HKDF-Expand-Label

Closes #4489.



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This was a pretty serious omission, even if it was obvious enough that no one ever noticed when implementing it.

Closes #4489.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571

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  * Define Context and Length inputs to HKDF-Expand-Label

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (14)

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<p>This was a pretty serious omission, even if it was obvious enough that no one ever noticed when implementing it.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4489.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779917620" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4489" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4489/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4489">#4489</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Define Context and Length inputs to HKDF-Expand-Label</li>
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I don't know that this needs any more consideration that might have already been given such ideas during development, if it warrants any consideration at all.

To be slightly more clear:

  1. obviously I'm **not** suggesting features that would enable a full STUN/TURN set of functionality
  2. I was just thinking of the "IP:port reflection" functionality (without the bit flipping), by which I mean the "reflexive transport address" vis. [RFC 8489](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8489) section [14.1](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8489#section-14.1) MAPPED-ADDRESS and **not** the [14.2](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8489#section-14.2) XOR-MAPPED-ADDRESS

Also, I don't think this necessarily improves the security situation so much as it helps the endpoint discover whether NAT games are afoot.  And at this point I can't recall what protection level applies to packets that can carry these frames.

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<p>I don't know that this needs any more consideration that might have already been given such ideas during development, if it warrants any consideration at all.</p>
<p>To be slightly more clear:</p>
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<li>obviously I'm <strong>not</strong> suggesting features that would enable a full STUN/TURN set of functionality</li>
<li>I was just thinking of the "IP:port reflection" functionality (without the bit flipping), by which I mean the "reflexive transport address" vis. <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8489" rel="nofollow">RFC 8489</a> section <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8489#section-14.1" rel="nofollow">14.1</a> MAPPED-ADDRESS and <strong>not</strong> the <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8489#section-14.2" rel="nofollow">14.2</a> XOR-MAPPED-ADDRESS</li>
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<p>Also, I don't think this necessarily improves the security situation so much as it helps the endpoint discover whether NAT games are afoot.  And at this point I can't recall what protection level applies to packets that can carry these frames.</p>

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Oh, so many things to unpack from a short comment...

1. Yes, Context should be explicitly empty.  I'll create a PR for this and the other, below.
2. The TLS transcript is integrated into the derivation of the keys that we use, so we don't need to include it again.  
3. As an aside, EAP-TLS1.3 use of 0x0D in the exporter is counter to the intended use of the field.  They already have all the fixed key separation necessary through the use of the exporter label.  The field is intended to capture variable, contextual information such as identities or other things that are not already folded into the handshake.
4. I agree that using a different span of the handshake transcript for key derivation would be massively disruptive, that is why I would oppose doing that.
5. As with Context, so too with Length, though that requires a little more text to address.  That's in the PR too.  Note: I had to decide between N_MAX and N_MIN and chose N_MAX.  Though the values are the same for all of the AEADs we use, that isn't guaranteed.  I'm sure that an AEAD with variable-length nonce could manage, but no sense in being imprecise.
6. I want nothing to do with Derive-Secret.  That's too far into TLS internals.

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<p>Oh, so many things to unpack from a short comment...</p>
<ol>
<li>Yes, Context should be explicitly empty.  I'll create a PR for this and the other, below.</li>
<li>The TLS transcript is integrated into the derivation of the keys that we use, so we don't need to include it again.</li>
<li>As an aside, EAP-TLS1.3 use of 0x0D in the exporter is counter to the intended use of the field.  They already have all the fixed key separation necessary through the use of the exporter label.  The field is intended to capture variable, contextual information such as identities or other things that are not already folded into the handshake.</li>
<li>I agree that using a different span of the handshake transcript for key derivation would be massively disruptive, that is why I would oppose doing that.</li>
<li>As with Context, so too with Length, though that requires a little more text to address.  That's in the PR too.  Note: I had to decide between N_MAX and N_MIN and chose N_MAX.  Though the values are the same for all of the AEADs we use, that isn't guaranteed.  I'm sure that an AEAD with variable-length nonce could manage, but no sense in being imprecise.</li>
<li>I want nothing to do with Derive-Secret.  That's too far into TLS internals.</li>
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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Perhaps this PR should also fix the text in 8.1 to simply state and point to 14.1 in -transport. That text is redundant.

> +enough to meet the requirements in Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  QUIC
+PADDING frames are added to increase the size of the packet as necessary.

```suggestion
enough to meet the requirements for QUIC packets. QUIC PADDING frames are added
to increase the size of the packet as necessary; see Section 14.1 of
{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
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You presume correctly about the salt.  The final salts are in place in -33, which is what you are reading, so that's good.  Unless something goes terribly wrong, this won't change any more now.  The values have been validated by a number of stacks, so I think we're good there.

As for the variable name, that's reasonable, but that same variable name is used in the examples and I think that "secret" alone in that context makes it harder to understand.

As for calling it a secret at all, TLS generally has two layers of secrets: the central secrets that are extracted using HKDF-Extract and those leaf secrets that are diversified from the central secrets using Derive-Secret().  As we don't need diversification, this skips the latter step (and all the hashing that entails).  I don't see any problem with ambiguity about whether this is analogous to a central or leaf secret in that light.

My proposal is to make no change here.

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<p>You presume correctly about the salt.  The final salts are in place in -33, which is what you are reading, so that's good.  Unless something goes terribly wrong, this won't change any more now.  The values have been validated by a number of stacks, so I think we're good there.</p>
<p>As for the variable name, that's reasonable, but that same variable name is used in the examples and I think that "secret" alone in that context makes it harder to understand.</p>
<p>As for calling it a secret at all, TLS generally has two layers of secrets: the central secrets that are extracted using HKDF-Extract and those leaf secrets that are diversified from the central secrets using Derive-Secret().  As we don't need diversification, this skips the latter step (and all the hashing that entails).  I don't see any problem with ambiguity about whether this is analogous to a central or leaf secret in that light.</p>
<p>My proposal is to make no change here.</p>

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Yes, we can't say anything about TLS 1.3 ciphers in the registry.  This is really just informative language as we list the suites fully.  It's important to call out the exception for the short-tag suite, and this is the best way I could see to do that.

I don't think that we are obliged to acknowledge the MAC-only - and non-recommended - suites here.  Technically speaking, those could be used with QUIC if someone wanted to define header protection (the identity transform perhaps?) for them, but I think that it's better to say nothing at all.  I'm sure that we can expend many email bytes on the topic if it comes up, but I'm happy to defer that discussion.

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<p>Yes, we can't say anything about TLS 1.3 ciphers in the registry.  This is really just informative language as we list the suites fully.  It's important to call out the exception for the short-tag suite, and this is the best way I could see to do that.</p>
<p>I don't think that we are obliged to acknowledge the MAC-only - and non-recommended - suites here.  Technically speaking, those could be used with QUIC if someone wanted to define header protection (the identity transform perhaps?) for them, but I think that it's better to say nothing at all.  I'm sure that we can expend many email bytes on the topic if it comes up, but I'm happy to defer that discussion.</p>
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Though people will undoubtedly rely on pseudocode to understand this,
there is no reason why we can't also use prose.

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That's just an oops.  There is a paragraph that *almost* defines this in prose.  It just needs a little push and we don't need to rely exclusively on pseudocode.

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<p>That's just an oops.  There is a paragraph that <em>almost</em> defines this in prose.  It just needs a little push and we don't need to rely exclusively on pseudocode.</p>

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Though people will undoubtedly rely on pseudocode to understand this,
there is no reason why we can&#39;t also use prose.

Closes #4492.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4572

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  * Normative language for sampling ciphertext

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (6)

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<p>Though people will undoubtedly rely on pseudocode to understand this,<br>
there is no reason why we can't also use prose.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4492.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779918952" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4492" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4492/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4492">#4492</a>.</p>

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This is a little pedantic, but it's more correct.

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This is a little pedantic, but it&#39;s more correct.

Also fix reference format.

Closes #4493.
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  * Subsequent keys can be used as well as the next

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4)

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<p>This is a little pedantic, but it's more correct.</p>
<p>Also fix reference format.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4493.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779919462" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4493" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4493/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4493">#4493</a>.</p>

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STOP_SENDING can be sent in 0-RTT.  It should be in the list.

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So it could be unsafe for use in 0-RTT.

Closes #4494.



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So it could be unsafe for use in 0-RTT.

Closes #4494.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4574

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  * STOP_SENDING carries information too

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (14)

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<p>So it could be unsafe for use in 0-RTT.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4494.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779919913" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4494" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4494/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4494">#4494</a>.</p>

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.

Thank you for working on this. I have one concern.

> @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 "quic hp" label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both "quic key" and "quic hp" are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with "quic iv"
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.

I had assumed that we are using the nonce length specified in [RFC 8446 section 5.3](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-5.3). As the proposed text mentions, the results for the cipher suites being defined are the same, but the definition in RFC 8446 is that the nonce length is `min(8, N_MIN)`. I do not think there is a reason to deviate from TLS 1.3 and think that we should delegate the definition of nonce length to RFC 8446.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thank you for working on this. I have one concern.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571#discussion_r552388265">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 &quot;quic hp&quot; label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both &quot;quic key&quot; and &quot;quic hp&quot; are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with &quot;quic iv&quot;
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.
</pre>
<p>I had assumed that we are using the nonce length specified in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8446#section-5.3" rel="nofollow">RFC 8446 section 5.3</a>. As the proposed text mentions, the results for the cipher suites being defined are the same, but the definition in RFC 8446 is that the nonce length is <code>min(8, N_MIN)</code>. I do not think there is a reason to deviate from TLS 1.3 and think that we should delegate the definition of nonce length to RFC 8446.</p>

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My proposal is to do nothing.

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The Context thing should be addressed by #4571.  The 4 bits should be "Unused" to match the transport spec.  I'll fix that.

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<p>The Context thing should be addressed by <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780064575" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4571" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571">#4571</a>.  The 4 bits should be "Unused" to match the transport spec.  I'll fix that.</p>

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I think that the separation that we have now is good and that we do not need to change the design.

Regarding IV length, as stated in the PR review comment, we are using TLS cipher-suites. Therefore I think we should be using what is defined in TLS 1.3 (i.e. `max(8, N_MIN)`) rather than specifying a different rule.

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<p>I think that the separation that we have now is good and that we do not need to change the design.</p>
<p>Regarding IV length, as stated in the PR review comment, we are using TLS cipher-suites. Therefore I think we should be using what is defined in TLS 1.3 (i.e. <code>max(8, N_MIN)</code>) rather than specifying a different rule.</p>

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So -tls should too.

Closes #4496.



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So -tls should too.

Closes #4496.
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  * Transport calls these 4 bits Unused

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<p>So -tls should too.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4496.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779921281" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4496" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4496/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4496">#4496</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/key-update-sync
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  Changed paths:
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Closes #4497.



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Reasonable suggestion, as the TLS design is a reference.

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Closes #4497.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4576

-- Commit Summary --

  * Explain TLS/QUIC key update differences

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (3)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4497.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779921715" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4497" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4497/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4497">#4497</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Explain TLS/QUIC key update differences</li>
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I can see an obvious missing word in there at a minimum.  I can see some opportunities for clarification here though, so I'll give it a go.  Breaking the ordering dependencies between sections is tricky though.  It might just be that we need a little redundancy.

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  Branch: refs/heads/leak-update
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9681fb054215fb6a7e36d80e524ff59fa11bdd5c
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Rewrite text on timing leaks for key generation

Some of this is just forward reference, but it does need a little more
context.

Also, there was a missing word.

Closes #4498.



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Some of this is just forward reference, but it does need a little more
context.

Also, there was a missing word.

Closes #4498.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4577

-- Commit Summary --

  * Rewrite text on timing leaks for key generation

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (16)

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<p>Some of this is just forward reference, but it does need a little more<br>
context.</p>
<p>Also, there was a missing word.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4498.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779922291" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4498" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4498/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4498">#4498</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Rewrite text on timing leaks for key generation</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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This is really hard to explain in words, but I think that this
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Closes #4499.



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I'll roll this into the change for #4498 as it relates to the same basic text.  I like the "promoting" idea, though I'm not going to go back and rewrite everything to use it.  Here, the important thing is to have words for current, next, and "subsequent next" to avoid making this more confusing than necessary.  I think that I got it.

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<p>I'll roll this into the change for <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779922291" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4498" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4498/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4498">#4498</a> as it relates to the same basic text.  I like the "promoting" idea, though I'm not going to go back and rewrite everything to use it.  Here, the important thing is to have words for current, next, and "subsequent next" to avoid making this more confusing than necessary.  I think that I got it.</p>

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> @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of
+receive packet protection keys and use old keys instead. This allows endpoints

```suggestion
receive packet protection keys. This allows endpoints
```

"instead" is confusing, because a receiver that has three read keys is expected to use both the new key and old key to decrypt packets carrying the key phase bit that match either of those two keys.

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A few things here...

1. The text in DTLS is a copy of this text, so similarities are no accident.  However, the text has diverged, so drawing an analogy doesn't seem necessary (and I don't want a downref, even if it were informational).
2. The numbers we are using from TLS is the target advantage probability.  QUIC has a larger limit on packet size than TLS has on record size.  Larger sizes affects the limits, which is what you see there.
3. The note you quote is old and it should have been removed when we changed the numbers.
4. As noted the analysis for DTLS would be helpful, but not definitive.  As you say, the number of blocks in a packet can have an effect (though not for ChaCha20Poly1305 apparently).

So l've a PR for the note, but I don't see any other action here.

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<p>A few things here...</p>
<ol>
<li>The text in DTLS is a copy of this text, so similarities are no accident.  However, the text has diverged, so drawing an analogy doesn't seem necessary (and I don't want a downref, even if it were informational).</li>
<li>The numbers we are using from TLS is the target advantage probability.  QUIC has a larger limit on packet size than TLS has on record size.  Larger sizes affects the limits, which is what you see there.</li>
<li>The note you quote is old and it should have been removed when we changed the numbers.</li>
<li>As noted the analysis for DTLS would be helpful, but not definitive.  As you say, the number of blocks in a packet can have an effect (though not for ChaCha20Poly1305 apparently).</li>
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<p>So l've a PR for the note, but I don't see any other action here.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/higher-limits-if-smaller
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  Changed paths:
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  The note about AEAD limits is not needed

We changed the limits listed here to be based on the maximum packet
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> @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of
+receive packet protection keys and use old keys instead. This allows endpoints

Works for me.  Thanks.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4577#discussion_r552401493">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of
+receive packet protection keys and use old keys instead. This allows endpoints
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We changed the limits listed here to be based on the maximum packet
size, so the note a few paragraphs up citing the appendix is all we need
here.

Closes #4500.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4578

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  * The note about AEAD limits is not needed

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (9)

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<p>We changed the limits listed here to be based on the maximum packet<br>
size, so the note a few paragraphs up citing the appendix is all we need<br>
here.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4500.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779923302" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4500" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4500/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4500">#4500</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>The note about AEAD limits is not needed</li>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4578.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4578.diff</a></li>
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Two separate comments in this issue:

1. We address buffering and retention in [Section 7.5 of the transport doc](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-cryptographic-message-buffe) and referenced in [Section 4.1.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#section-4.1.3-12).  I think that suffices.
2. Given that we dedicate [Section 7](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#name-security-of-initial-message) to the issue of "security" for Initial packets, it probably isn't necessary to repeat things here.  (We might consider moving Section 7 to this section, I guess.  I just don't like the grab-bag that is security considerations.)

I don't think we should do anything in response to this, though I might be convinced to move Section 7.  I will say that it's really annoying to move sections, so I'd need a push.

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<p>Two separate comments in this issue:</p>
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<li>We address buffering and retention in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-cryptographic-message-buffe" rel="nofollow">Section 7.5 of the transport doc</a> and referenced in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#section-4.1.3-12" rel="nofollow">Section 4.1.3</a>.  I think that suffices.</li>
<li>Given that we dedicate <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#name-security-of-initial-message" rel="nofollow">Section 7</a> to the issue of "security" for Initial packets, it probably isn't necessary to repeat things here.  (We might consider moving Section 7 to this section, I guess.  I just don't like the grab-bag that is security considerations.)</li>
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<p>I don't think we should do anything in response to this, though I might be convinced to move Section 7.  I will say that it's really annoying to move sections, so I'd need a push.</p>

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That does not have the same impetus, so I think that it is reasonable to omit it.  Updating the keys would be OK and I would expect it to happen, but it is not necessary to the extent that it needs to be called out.

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<p>That does not have the same impetus, so I think that it is reasonable to omit it.  Updating the keys would be OK and I would expect it to happen, but it is not necessary to the extent that it needs to be called out.</p>

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Hmm, this is awkward.  Our line lengths were very carefully calibrated and this pushes them over the edge.  I think that we're OK to increase them by one (72 - 3*2 = 66 and our lint enforces 65), but I'm going to have to check.carefully.

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<p>Hmm, this is awkward.  Our line lengths were very carefully calibrated and this pushes them over the edge.  I think that we're OK to increase them by one (72 - 3*2 = 66 and our lint enforces 65), but I'm going to have to check.carefully.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/empty-quotes
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  TLS uses an empty quoted string for these

Unfortunately, this pushes our line length up by one.  Rather than
reformat, I've tweaked the linter.  I'm not seeing that fail and it
still allows a 3 character gutter on both sides of diagrams in the
72-column text format, but I'd appreciate it if this could be
sanity-checked.

Closes #4503.



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Unfortunately, this pushes our line length up by one.  Rather than
reformat, I&#39;ve tweaked the linter.  I&#39;m not seeing that fail and it
still allows a 3 character gutter on both sides of diagrams in the
72-column text format, but I&#39;d appreciate it if this could be
sanity-checked.

Closes #4503.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4579

-- Commit Summary --

  * TLS uses an empty quoted string for these

-- File Changes --

    M .lint.py (2)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (24)

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<p>Unfortunately, this pushes our line length up by one.  Rather than<br>
reformat, I've tweaked the linter.  I'm not seeing that fail and it<br>
still allows a 3 character gutter on both sides of diagrams in the<br>
72-column text format, but I'd appreciate it if this could be<br>
sanity-checked.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4503.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779924657" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4503" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4503/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4503">#4503</a>.</p>

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4579'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4579</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>TLS uses an empty quoted string for these</li>
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I should have put money on @kaduk validating the examples...

The use of "payload" refers to the frames contained in the packet, which are 1182 - 4 (packet number length) - 16 (aead expansion).  Would "The frames carried by this packet includes the following CRYPTO frame, plus enough PADDING frames to reach 1162 bytes." be better?

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<p>I should have put money on <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kaduk/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kaduk">@kaduk</a> validating the examples...</p>
<p>The use of "payload" refers to the frames contained in the packet, which are 1182 - 4 (packet number length) - 16 (aead expansion).  Would "The frames carried by this packet includes the following CRYPTO frame, plus enough PADDING frames to reach 1162 bytes." be better?</p>

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I think that this example is simple enough to read off without being sliced up.

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<p>I think that this example is simple enough to read off without being sliced up.</p>

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It would probably also be fine to just give a brief mention of how to interpret the underscore when it appears, if bumping the line length doesn't work out.

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<p>It would probably also be fine to just give a brief mention of how to interpret the underscore when it appears, if bumping the line length doesn't work out.</p>

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It is 4.3, though the intermediate working is not entirely obvious.  That is, the full form is:

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The formulae shown in the draft discard irrelevant factors and just concentrate on those that include q or v (these map to I think \sigma and q in the paper, and our q also contributes to B as that theorem is a MU result).  I don't have this all paged in right now, but I'm happy to walk through the derivation some time.  I was able to validate the results Felix provided here, as were Chris Wood and Ekr, I would expect you to be able to as well.

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<p>It is 4.3, though the intermediate working is not entirely obvious.  That is, the full form is:</p>
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<p>The formulae shown in the draft discard irrelevant factors and just concentrate on those that include q or v (these map to I think \sigma and q in the paper, and our q also contributes to B as that theorem is a MU result).  I don't have this all paged in right now, but I'm happy to walk through the derivation some time.  I was able to validate the results Felix provided here, as were Chris Wood and Ekr, I would expect you to be able to as well.</p>

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I think that the approach here is probably better.  As I mentioned before, DTLS copies an earlier version of this text.  It could be updated.  That said, it doesn't need to be.  I'll leave it to the TLS working group and editor to decide what to do, but I don't think that this needs to change.

(I feel obliged to point out that the limits will be different by a factor of 4, in case that wasn't clear enough already.)

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<p>I think that the approach here is probably better.  As I mentioned before, DTLS copies an earlier version of this text.  It could be updated.  That said, it doesn't need to be.  I'll leave it to the TLS working group and editor to decide what to do, but I don't think that this needs to change.</p>
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I don't think we need to say anything here.  In this case, zero is not a special number.  Put differently, all of the connection ID is visible.

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<p>I don't think we need to say anything here.  In this case, zero is not a special number.  Put differently, all of the connection ID is visible.</p>

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So I think that the high-level "opaque" is correct and the subsequent discussion of purpose makes it clear.

One thing that is important in this document is to avoid over-indexing on semantics, so this definition is deliberately vague.

Separately, Fernando Gont suggests that we need more text regarding connection ID construction, which I disagree with.  Whatever the outcome of that discussion, I don't think that this document is where the outcome would be captured, it's something that would be version-specific (so -transport instead).

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<p>So I think that the high-level "opaque" is correct and the subsequent discussion of purpose makes it clear.</p>
<p>One thing that is important in this document is to avoid over-indexing on semantics, so this definition is deliberately vague.</p>
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> What's the motivation behind leaving it totally free for the sender to
pick values

Allowing arbitrary values was a largely arbitrary choice.  I don't remember any point at which this was contested.  We have to do something with the bytes, and so I guess we're just letting them burn.

> Are these protocol elements expected to be in the version negotiation
packet or elsewhere?

Hmm, that's up to the protocol.  I would expect any authentication to occur elsewhere though.  Such as through the TLS transcript, using something like what is in our [version negotiation draft](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation-02).  Separately, someone has suggested that this say that the "semantic content" be authenticated rather than the actual bytes, we'll see how that issue goes.

The off-path thing is fixed in #4462.

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<p>What's the motivation behind leaving it totally free for the sender to<br>
pick values</p>
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<p>Allowing arbitrary values was a largely arbitrary choice.  I don't remember any point at which this was contested.  We have to do something with the bytes, and so I guess we're just letting them burn.</p>
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<p>Are these protocol elements expected to be in the version negotiation<br>
packet or elsewhere?</p>
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<p>Hmm, that's up to the protocol.  I would expect any authentication to occur elsewhere though.  Such as through the TLS transcript, using something like what is in our <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation-02" rel="nofollow">version negotiation draft</a>.  Separately, someone has suggested that this say that the "semantic content" be authenticated rather than the actual bytes, we'll see how that issue goes.</p>
<p>The off-path thing is fixed in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="773320116" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4462" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4462">#4462</a>.</p>

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This is a common question, but I'm still reluctant to say anything.

The best reference I can offer is either [draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation) or [draft-thomson-tls-snip](https://martinthomson.github.io/snip/draft-thomson-tls-snip.html).  The former currently doesn't really do anything to address this problem, and I've only a promise to look into this, not even a real commitment to do something.  My personal draft is maybe better as the latest version directly addresses the problem, but that had only a lukewarm reception when I presented it and I don't like downrefs to drafts, especially those that aren't working group items.

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<p>This is a common question, but I'm still reluctant to say anything.</p>
<p>The best reference I can offer is either <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation" rel="nofollow">draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation</a> or <a href="https://martinthomson.github.io/snip/draft-thomson-tls-snip.html" rel="nofollow">draft-thomson-tls-snip</a>.  The former currently doesn't really do anything to address this problem, and I've only a promise to look into this, not even a real commitment to do something.  My personal draft is maybe better as the latest version directly addresses the problem, but that had only a lukewarm reception when I presented it and I don't like downrefs to drafts, especially those that aren't working group items.</p>

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Yes.  You might have said that "both directions" just represents another bad assumption about this being a two-party protocol, but we explicitly say that it is.

There were comments about multi-party communications, that's a problem that I would like to leave the problems of defining that to an update of this document.

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<p>Yes.  You might have said that "both directions" just represents another bad assumption about this being a two-party protocol, but we explicitly say that it is.</p>
<p>There were comments about multi-party communications, that's a problem that I would like to leave the problems of defining that to an update of this document.</p>

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  Changed paths:
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  Reword unpadded PATH_CHALLENGE language

This was definitely odd.  Let's take another tilt at making it
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Yep, when it's called out, it's distinctly odd.  Hopefully it's an easy fix, but writing is hardd.

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This was definitely odd.  Let&#39;s take another tilt at making it
comprehensible.

Closes #4513.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4580

-- Commit Summary --

  * Reword unpadded PATH_CHALLENGE language

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (12)

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<p>This was definitely odd.  Let's take another tilt at making it<br>
comprehensible.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4513.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779954032" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4513" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4513/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4513">#4513</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Reword unpadded PATH_CHALLENGE language</li>
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My personal preference is to avoid the transition technology quagmire.  However, that is partly because I'm not very well versed in it.  I would also prefer if servers offer v6 for v6-only clients.

If someone were able to offer text I might be OK with that.  As we do send IP literals in the protocol, it isn't crazy to acknowledge the need to deal with that.

As it is, I think that we're OK without reference to transition technologies.

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<p>My personal preference is to avoid the transition technology quagmire.  However, that is partly because I'm not very well versed in it.  I would also prefer if servers offer v6 for v6-only clients.</p>
<p>If someone were able to offer text I might be OK with that.  As we do send IP literals in the protocol, it isn't crazy to acknowledge the need to deal with that.</p>
<p>As it is, I think that we're OK without reference to transition technologies.</p>

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The text was probably backwards, but rather than invert it, remove the
indirect reference to the subject of the claim and be explicit.

Closes #4515.
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<p>The text was probably backwards, but rather than invert it, remove the<br>
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4515.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779955082" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4515" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4515/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4515">#4515</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/limited-extension-space
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  The 1200 byte thing limits space for extensions

...if the path doesn't provide extra headroom.

Includes some rewording of the text.

Closes #4516.



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Seems reasonable to mention.  Obviously many paths support a larger MTU and so will support more extensions (or options), but it's worth noting that there isn't a ton of space available.

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...if the path doesn&#39;t provide extra headroom.

Includes some rewording of the text.

Closes #4516.
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  * The 1200 byte thing limits space for extensions

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (18)

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<p>...if the path doesn't provide extra headroom.</p>
<p>Includes some rewording of the text.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4516.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779955449" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4516" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4516/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4516">#4516</a>.</p>

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This request did come up early on, but it turns out to be something that is harder to get wrong than it seems.  Of course, people often do get this wrong, but interop reveals issues almost immediately.

We already passed on doing this.  We sat on an open issue for this exact request for a long time with nothing forthcoming, so it would be surprising to see a contribution now.  I'm not personally inclined to propose something, but would welcome a contribution if someone wanted to invest the time in providing a short example (it need not be an appendix, a single paragraph might do, if only to provide a test case).

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<p>This request did come up early on, but it turns out to be something that is harder to get wrong than it seems.  Of course, people often do get this wrong, but interop reveals issues almost immediately.</p>
<p>We already passed on doing this.  We sat on an open issue for this exact request for a long time with nothing forthcoming, so it would be surprising to see a contribution now.  I'm not personally inclined to propose something, but would welcome a contribution if someone wanted to invest the time in providing a short example (it need not be an appendix, a single paragraph might do, if only to provide a test case).</p>

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It's probably a bit late to consider additions of this nature.  This is probably a good candidate for extension, but as I don't think that we have any direct use for a reflexive address reporting utility in the protocol, I don't think we need to add one.

To elaborate a little more: QUIC doesn't attempt to play the same sorts of NAT-guessing games that STUN does.  QUIC generally isn't looking to create new flows to different destinations, we're happy with the one flow and most NATs know how to get return packets back in that configuration.  Maybe if a server was behind a NAT in a p2p environment, this might have value, but some of the deployments suggestions I've seen for that just use STUN alongside QUIC (which is possible) to get that done.

(This might be the first time that this particular idea has been suggested, though it probably came up once or twice in our many migration discussions.)

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<p>It's probably a bit late to consider additions of this nature.  This is probably a good candidate for extension, but as I don't think that we have any direct use for a reflexive address reporting utility in the protocol, I don't think we need to add one.</p>
<p>To elaborate a little more: QUIC doesn't attempt to play the same sorts of NAT-guessing games that STUN does.  QUIC generally isn't looking to create new flows to different destinations, we're happy with the one flow and most NATs know how to get return packets back in that configuration.  Maybe if a server was behind a NAT in a p2p environment, this might have value, but some of the deployments suggestions I've seen for that just use STUN alongside QUIC (which is possible) to get that done.</p>
<p>(This might be the first time that this particular idea has been suggested, though it probably came up once or twice in our many migration discussions.)</p>

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I thought that section reference was wrong, but Section 7 does indeed mention ECN twice.  Once is almost too much for this section.  I checked the history and the commits that affected this text likely are the result of a merge, and one that either git resolved incorrectly for us, or one that we messed up.

Either way, this is worth fixing.

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<p>I thought that section reference was wrong, but Section 7 does indeed mention ECN twice.  Once is almost too much for this section.  I checked the history and the commits that affected this text likely are the result of a merge, and one that either git resolved incorrectly for us, or one that we messed up.</p>
<p>Either way, this is worth fixing.</p>

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This is my best stab at it.

Closes #4521.
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  * Merge ECN text in Section 7

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<p>This is my best stab at it.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4521.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779958062" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4521" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4521/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4521">#4521</a>.</p>

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Closes #4522.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Drop the plural

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4522.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779958496" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4522" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4522/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4522">#4522</a>.</p>

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Closes #4523.
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  * Restore missing &#39;in&#39;

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4523.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779958859" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4523" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4523/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4523">#4523</a>.</p>

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  <li>Restore missing &#39;in&#39;</li>
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There is pretty strong evidence for the claim[1], but I think that this is the wrong place for that sort of citation.

[1] See https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-maprg-native-sctp-dccp-udp-lite-and-home-gateway-nats-runa-barik-01 or the paper, which I couldn't find easily.  There is also other material on the MAPRG backlog that supports the same view.

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<p>There is pretty strong evidence for the claim[1], but I think that this is the wrong place for that sort of citation.</p>
<p>[1] See <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-maprg-native-sctp-dccp-udp-lite-and-home-gateway-nats-runa-barik-01" rel="nofollow">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/materials/slides-104-maprg-native-sctp-dccp-udp-lite-and-home-gateway-nats-runa-barik-01</a> or the paper, which I couldn't find easily.  There is also other material on the MAPRG backlog that supports the same view.</p>

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It can't be a MUST.  Our established principles for errors handling requires that it be reasonable to ask every implementation to run the check for violations.  Checking this is not cheap.  I don't think that anyone was willing to commit to checking in this case.  Many stacks don't touch bytes if that can be avoided.

For similar reasons, this can't be SHOULD, to recommend this, we'd need most implementations being willing to check.  So we arrive at MAY.

This is a pattern we have used for a number of other cases where checking protocol conformance might be expensive.

It's not necessarily a security issue.  That only really happens if you have an two things looking at the bytes in different ways.  As we expect receivers to only read bytes once, it is unlikely that there is any opportunity for a bait-and-switch.  Finally, we don't explicitly allow for a third party in the protocol, which is one case I'm aware of where this could happen.

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<p>It can't be a MUST.  Our established principles for errors handling requires that it be reasonable to ask every implementation to run the check for violations.  Checking this is not cheap.  I don't think that anyone was willing to commit to checking in this case.  Many stacks don't touch bytes if that can be avoided.</p>
<p>For similar reasons, this can't be SHOULD, to recommend this, we'd need most implementations being willing to check.  So we arrive at MAY.</p>
<p>This is a pattern we have used for a number of other cases where checking protocol conformance might be expensive.</p>
<p>It's not necessarily a security issue.  That only really happens if you have an two things looking at the bytes in different ways.  As we expect receivers to only read bytes once, it is unlikely that there is any opportunity for a bait-and-switch.  Finally, we don't explicitly allow for a third party in the protocol, which is one case I'm aware of where this could happen.</p>

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Most of the diagrams in QUIC can trace their genesis to before RFC799x; it never came up.  And SVG is tricky to manage.  We seem to do fine without.

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<p>Most of the diagrams in QUIC can trace their genesis to before RFC799x; it never came up.  And SVG is tricky to manage.  We seem to do fine without.</p>

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Yes, the recovery draft includes all the necessary timers (aside from the idle timeout, which I think is adequately covered).  However, if you are talking about flow control specifically, then that does not necessarily need timers.  Other commenters have bemoaned the lack of guidance regarding flow control and it has improved, but the prevailing view of the working group is that it is only a problem if you try to optimize.  So we have what is written, which says that if you want tight flow control limits (in the order of BDP), then you risk performance problems if you don't provide timely updates.

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  Branch: refs/heads/multi-cid
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 109ecc3dd93d939b41d144b869bfb1ae4ac3f71d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/109ecc3dd93d939b41d144b869bfb1ae4ac3f71d
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Explain why multiple connection IDs

Closes #4528.



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We say it, but it comes a lot later.  Too late, I think.

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Closes #4528.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4586

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  * Explain why multiple connection IDs

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4528.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779965343" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4528" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4528/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4528">#4528</a>.</p>

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  <li>Explain why multiple connection IDs</li>
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It was pretty obtuse otherwise.

Closes #4529.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4587

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<p>It was pretty obtuse otherwise.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4529.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779965708" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4529" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4529/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4529">#4529</a>.</p>

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I don't think that is appropriate in the general case.  However, in [Section 9.5](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-9.5-8), we say this:

> A client might wish to reduce linkability by employing a new connection ID and source UDP port when sending traffic after a period of inactivity. Changing the UDP port from [...]

We could point to privacy addresses as an option here.  That is not a bad idea as IPv6 clients can't rely on NAT to the same extent that IPv4 clients do.

> A client might wish to reduce linkability by employing a new connection ID, source UDP port, and optionally IP address (for instance, using {{?RFC4941}}) when sending traffic after a period of inactivity. Changing the source address from [...]

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<p>I don't think that is appropriate in the general case.  However, in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-9.5-8" rel="nofollow">Section 9.5</a>, we say this:</p>
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<p>A client might wish to reduce linkability by employing a new connection ID and source UDP port when sending traffic after a period of inactivity. Changing the UDP port from [...]</p>
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<p>We could point to privacy addresses as an option here.  That is not a bad idea as IPv6 clients can't rely on NAT to the same extent that IPv4 clients do.</p>
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Yes, you can change IP version.  We don't explicitly say that, but we don't prevent it.  (You can even start on v4 and only provide a v6 preferred address if that is your preference.)

We explicitly permit probing of multiple paths, which extends to preferred addresses.  So if there are both versions present, you can probe both, with or without any bias as you like, and then select the one you like best.

Now, all of this is implicit.  I don't know how much of that needs to be advertised though.

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<p>Yes, you can change IP version.  We don't explicitly say that, but we don't prevent it.  (You can even start on v4 and only provide a v6 preferred address if that is your preference.)</p>
<p>We explicitly permit probing of multiple paths, which extends to preferred addresses.  So if there are both versions present, you can probe both, with or without any bias as you like, and then select the one you like best.</p>
<p>Now, all of this is implicit.  I don't know how much of that needs to be advertised though.</p>

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I believe that the view was that a PRNG was inferior to a PRF because it required state, but yes, it should be fine.  Should we have avoided repeating advice from 6437?  (I forget who contributed this text, but I think that it was an RFC 6437 author.)

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... Wait until you see what we did in our stack.  Most people put the padding inside packets, but we put ours outside.  It caused no end of havoc...

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In a P2P setup where we're demultiplexing with another bootstrapping protocol over UDP, is there a need for version negotiation packets at all? I'd expect the bootstrapping protocol to convey the supported QUIC versions, and at that point you don't need version negotiation. I'm in favor of removing the SHOULD on VN packets.

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<p>In a P2P setup where we're demultiplexing with another bootstrapping protocol over UDP, is there a need for version negotiation packets at all? I'd expect the bootstrapping protocol to convey the supported QUIC versions, and at that point you don't need version negotiation. I'm in favor of removing the SHOULD on VN packets.</p>

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@DavidSchinazi approved this pull request.

I agree that this is a good improvement, especially for folks who can't modify their TLS stack.

> @@ -803,8 +803,11 @@ added to 0x100 to produce a QUIC error code from the range reserved for
 CRYPTO_ERROR. The resulting value is sent in a QUIC CONNECTION_CLOSE frame of
 type 0x1c.
 
-The alert level of all TLS alerts is "fatal"; a TLS stack MUST NOT generate
-alerts at the "warning" level.
+QUIC is only able to convey an alert level of "fatal". The only existing uses

```suggestion
QUIC is only able to convey an alert level of "fatal". In TLS 1.3, the only existing uses
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> +be identified as being for the same connection without cooperation from an
+endpoint; see {{migration-linkability}}.

```suggestion
be identified as being for the same connection without cooperation from their
peer; see {{migration-linkability}}.
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My thinking is along the lines of @DavidSchinazi but I also don't care much about whether we remove this or not.

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I agree with @martinthomson that it's late for additions like this an it's not necessary for any functionality in QUIC v1, but I can definitely see it being useful as an extension or a future version of QUIC.

I don't recall this ever being discussed at length or there being an issue for it, presumably because it wasn't particularly useful for HTTP/3.

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<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> that it's late for additions like this an it's not necessary for any functionality in QUIC v1, but I can definitely see it being useful as an extension or a future version of QUIC.</p>
<p>I don't recall this ever being discussed at length or there being an issue for it, presumably because it wasn't particularly useful for HTTP/3.</p>

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The VN packet is version-independent.  v1 shouldn't be constraining its contents.  However, implementations are free to select the value they put there any way they wish, so if they find it useful to always set that bit, they may.

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<p>The VN packet is version-independent.  v1 shouldn't be constraining its contents.  However, implementations are free to select the value they put there any way they wish, so if they find it useful to always set that bit, they may.</p>

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I think I'd prefer to not add any text on this one.

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> @@ -681,9 +684,9 @@ Endpoints that use session resumption might need to remember some information
 about the current connection when creating a resumed connection. TLS requires
 that some information be retained; see Section 4.6.1 of {{!TLS13}}. QUIC itself
 does not depend on any state being retained when resuming a connection, unless
-0-RTT is also used; see {{enable-0rtt}} and Section 7.4.1 of

This might even warrant an "...of this document" to make it explicit.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473#discussion_r552779054">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -681,9 +684,9 @@ Endpoints that use session resumption might need to remember some information
 about the current connection when creating a resumed connection. TLS requires
 that some information be retained; see Section 4.6.1 of {{!TLS13}}. QUIC itself
 does not depend on any state being retained when resuming a connection, unless
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> @@ -1452,6 +1452,9 @@ without needing to receive the first packet that triggered the change.  An
 endpoint that notices a changed Key Phase bit updates keys and decrypts the
 packet that contains the changed value.
 
+Initiating a key updates results in both endpoints updating keys.  This differs

```suggestion
Initiating a key update results in both endpoints updating keys.  This differs
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> I think we would benefit from some clarity about the client's response
> to a Retry.  Specifically, is the client expected to use the same
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> to the Retry?  I did not see any notes about, e.g., transport parameter
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> Abstract
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> I think this document also specifies some generic bits about how QUIC
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> @@ -2050,7 +2059,7 @@ included. All values are shown in hexadecimal.
 
 ## Keys
 
-The labels generated during the execution of the HKDF-Expand-Label function and
+The labels (Hkdf.label) generated during the execution of the HKDF-Expand-Label function and

Oops, yes, the HkdfLabel bit got garbled in transmission from brain to fingers.
Your suggestion looks fine; I just wanted to reiterate that it's the whole HkdfLabel.label (including the "tls13 " prefix) that we show, not just the argument to HKDF-Expand-Label.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4473#discussion_r552786795">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2050,7 +2059,7 @@ included. All values are shown in hexadecimal.
 
 ## Keys
 
-The labels generated during the execution of the HKDF-Expand-Label function and
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Your suggestion looks fine; I just wanted to reiterate that it's the whole HkdfLabel.label (including the "tls13 " prefix) that we show, not just the argument to HKDF-Expand-Label.</p>

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No, but yes.  The Unused field is defined in Invariants to be whatever the sender wants, so it's perhaps inconsistent to re-slice the fields in Transport.  However, #4471 proposes removing this SHOULD entirely, which would also address this issue.

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<p>No, but yes.  The Unused field is defined in Invariants to be whatever the sender wants, so it's perhaps inconsistent to re-slice the fields in Transport.  However, <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778451228" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4471" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471">#4471</a> proposes removing this SHOULD entirely, which would also address this issue.</p>

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Fixes #4537.
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  * Format of IPv6 addresses

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4537.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779969053" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4537" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4537/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4537">#4537</a>.</p>

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For what it's worth this research was published as: "On the usability of transport protocols other than TCP: A home gateway and internet path traversal study" Runa Bari*, Michael Welzl, Gorry Fairhurst, Ahmed Mustafa Elmokashfi, Thomas Dreibholz, Stein Gjessing, https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339850966_On_the_Usability_of_Transport_Protocols_other_than_TCP_A_Home_Gateway_and_Internet_Path_Traversal_Study

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Please also update the RACK reference to version 14. draft-ietf-tcpm-rack-14

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<p>Please also update the RACK reference to version 14. draft-ietf-tcpm-rack-14</p>

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The version update is part of the toolchain we use, so the newest version of RACK should be referenced automatically.

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Fixes #4467
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  * Reference RACK and TLP in recovery section 4.7

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4467.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="775875514" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4467" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4467/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4467">#4467</a></p>

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> +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame that was sent in a datagram that was not expanded to at
+least 1200 bytes validates the peer address, but it does not validate the path

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A PATH_CHALLENGE frame sent in a datagram that was not expanded to at
least 1200 bytes validates the peer address, but it does not validate the path
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I made some proposed tweaks in my local copy as I was doing my IESG review.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Editorial suggestions from IESG Evaluation

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (155)

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<p>I made some proposed tweaks in my local copy as I was doing my IESG review.</p>

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  <li>Editorial suggestions from IESG Evaluation</li>
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Fixes #4554
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  * Reference more TCP RFCs

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4554.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779989297" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4554" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4554/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4554">#4554</a></p>

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> @@ -1684,7 +1686,9 @@ retry_source_connection_id transport parameter.
 
 The values provided by a peer for these transport parameters MUST match the
 values that an endpoint used in the Destination and Source Connection ID fields
-of Initial packets that it sent. Including connection ID values in transport
+of Initial packets that it sent (and received, for servers). Endpoints MUST
+validate that received transport parameters match received Connection ID values.
+Including connection ID values in transport

I'm calling this "editorial" even though it adds a new MUST, because I believe the intent was already that you do this, and so the text is just reiterating an existing expectation.

> @@ -4739,8 +4747,9 @@ server MAY send multiple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could
 require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
 
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing
-a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PING, PADDING, and
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type 0x1c are also permitted.  An endpoint that
+a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type
+0x1c, or some combination thereof.  PING and PADDING frames are also permitted.
+An endpoint that

This is pretty awkward.  The idea is that the old text implies that it is invalid to have an Initial with neither a CRYPTO nor an ACK.  But IIUC it's valid to send CONNECTION_CLOSE and nothing else...

> @@ -5065,8 +5075,8 @@ Destination Connection ID:
 
 Packet Number:
 
-: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number has
-  confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in
+: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number is protected
+  using header protection; see

Trying to use consistent language for each field covered by header protection.

> @@ -5257,7 +5267,8 @@ initial_max_stream_data_uni (0x07):
 initial_max_streams_bidi (0x08):
 
 : The initial maximum bidirectional streams parameter is an integer value that
-  contains the initial maximum number of bidirectional streams the peer is
+  contains the initial maximum number of bidirectional streams the endpoint
+  that receives this transport parameter is

We were inconsistent about how we described the two endpoints in these paragraphs.  I'm not sure I caught all instances, though, but the "the endpoint that receives this transport parameter" seems like a good clear description.

> @@ -5437,7 +5449,7 @@ application protocol wishes to prevent the connection from timing out; see
 Receivers send ACK frames (types 0x02 and 0x03) to inform senders of packets
 they have received and processed. The ACK frame contains one or more ACK Ranges.
 ACK Ranges identify acknowledged packets. If the frame type is 0x03, ACK frames
-also contain the sum of QUIC packets with associated ECN marks received on the
+also contain the cumulative count of QUIC packets with associated ECN marks received on the

(you can't take a sum of QUIC packets; there is no addition operation defined for them.)

> @@ -5492,15 +5504,14 @@ ACK Delay:
 
 ACK Range Count:
 
-: A variable-length integer specifying the number of Gap and ACK Range fields in
+: A variable-length integer specifying the number of ACK Range fields in

This whole section was a bit awkward.  I tried to operate on the principle that the Ack Range is the compound structure, and that Gap and the Ack Range Length are the member fields within it.  The resulting text isn't very pretty, though...

> @@ -6520,8 +6531,8 @@ of the security properties of QUIC depend on the TLS handshake providing these
 properties. Any attack on the TLS handshake could affect QUIC.
 
 Any attack on the TLS handshake that compromises the secrecy or uniqueness
-of session keys affects other security guarantees provided by QUIC that depends
-on these keys. For instance, migration ({{migration}}) depends on the efficacy
+of session keys, or the authentication of the participating peers, affects other security guarantees provided by QUIC that depend
+on those keys. For instance, migration ({{migration}}) depends on the efficacy

I'm open to better phrasing suggestions here, too.

>  
 An endpoint that acknowledges packets it has not received might cause a
 congestion controller to permit sending at rates beyond what the network
 supports.  An endpoint MAY skip packet numbers when sending packets to detect
 this behavior.  An endpoint can then immediately close the connection with a
 connection error of type PROTOCOL_VIOLATION; see {{immediate-close}}.
+Note that introducing artificial gaps might increase the size of the
+returned ACK packets in a manner that scales roughly llinearly with the

Oops, "llinearly" typo.
```suggestion
returned ACK packets in a manner that scales roughly linearly with the
```

> @@ -7540,7 +7559,7 @@ Description:
 
 The initial contents of this registry are shown in {{iana-error-table}}.
 
-| Value | Error                     | Description                   | Specification   |
+| Value | Code                      | Description                   | Specification   |

(The prose says this field is 'Code', not 'Error'.)

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I believe the mapping from encryption level to PNS is detailed in section 12.3 of transport:
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<p>I believe the mapping from encryption level to PNS is detailed in section 12.3 of transport:<br>
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Where would that mention sit?  Happy to add a reference, but I believe that the transport text is sufficient, this would just be informative.

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In the definition of PING, we already reference [Section 10.1.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#defer-idle), which discusses this exact point.

My proposal is no action here.

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<p>In the definition of PING, we already reference <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#defer-idle" rel="nofollow">Section 10.1.2</a>, which discusses this exact point.</p>
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This is deliberate.  Everything is authenticated (absent some unused fields in Retry packets and Version Negotiation, which has a big TBD on it).  As much as possible is encrypted.

I'm going to propose no action here.

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Closes #4542.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4542.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779971300" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4542" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4542/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4542">#4542</a>.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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Because [IPv4] is obvious to people who don't know the numbers by heart.  We've used symbolic references by preference throughout, unless a simple mnemonic is unavailable.

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How is this not enough?

> QUIC endpoints exchange UDP datagrams that contain one or more QUIC packets. 

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The abstract hasn't kept pace with the text.  It can be made clearer.

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This reconciles the abstract with the content

Closes #4547.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4601

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  * Make the abstract more definitive

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    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md (3)

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<p>This reconciles the abstract with the content</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4547.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779981342" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4547" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4547/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4547">#4547</a>.</p>

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No.  But this is the definition we have.

It might be possible to move to a multi-party protocol.  Equally, it might not be a good idea.  In any case, we can deal with that if it happens.

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Barry's point (captured in #4469) was that one or other might need to be normative.  This is a different point, suggesting that this document concretely depends on the transport draft for terminology that has normative effect.  Haven't checked, I don't think that is the case and the reference can remain informative.  The reason for that being that all of the terminology used in this draft is also defined in this draft.

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<p>Barry's point (captured in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778437317" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4469" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4469/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4469">#4469</a>) was that one or other might need to be normative.  This is a different point, suggesting that this document concretely depends on the transport draft for terminology that has normative effect.  Haven't checked, I don't think that is the case and the reference can remain informative.  The reason for that being that all of the terminology used in this draft is also defined in this draft.</p>

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In my response to #4550, I explain this.  This ensures that the transport reference can remain informative.

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Closed #4552.

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#4474 has been merged, so we can also close this issue.

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> @@ -228,13 +228,17 @@ more accurate round-trip time estimate; see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
 ## Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
 
 QUIC uses a probe timeout (PTO; see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP's RTO
-computation.  QUIC's PTO includes the peer's maximum expected acknowledgment
-delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout. QUIC does not collapse the
-congestion window until persistent congestion ({{persistent-congestion}}) is
-declared, unlike TCP, which collapses the congestion window upon expiry of an
-RTO.  Instead of collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything
-in-flight lost, QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion
-window whenever the timer expires.
+computation; see {{?RFC6297}}.  QUIC's PTO includes the peer's maximum expected
+acknowledgment delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout.
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+As reflected by TLP defined in RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), a single

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4596#discussion_r553014085">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -228,13 +228,17 @@ more accurate round-trip time estimate; see Section 13.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
 ## Probe Timeout Replaces RTO and TLP
 
 QUIC uses a probe timeout (PTO; see {{pto}}), with a timer based on TCP&#39;s RTO
-computation.  QUIC&#39;s PTO includes the peer&#39;s maximum expected acknowledgment
-delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout. QUIC does not collapse the
-congestion window until persistent congestion ({{persistent-congestion}}) is
-declared, unlike TCP, which collapses the congestion window upon expiry of an
-RTO.  Instead of collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything
-in-flight lost, QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion
-window whenever the timer expires.
+computation; see {{?RFC6297}}.  QUIC&#39;s PTO includes the peer&#39;s maximum expected
+acknowledgment delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout.
+
+As reflected by TLP defined in RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), a single
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> @@ -209,9 +209,9 @@ multiple round trips.
 
 ## No Reneging
 
-QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK, but QUIC does not
-allow any acknowledged packet to be reneged, greatly simplifying implementations
-on both sides and reducing memory pressure on the sender.
+QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK ({{?RFC6675}}), but

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4598#discussion_r553014232">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -209,9 +209,9 @@ multiple round trips.
 
 ## No Reneging
 
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I'm going to suggest that the text I propose in #4561 addresses this first part of this.

The higher/lower stuff seems like it could be better, but it's a lot of work to do carefully.  I'm going to suggest that we could live with this, but I might leave this issue open and try to find a fix once other more pressing issues are dealt with.

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<p>I'm going to suggest that the text I propose in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779997774" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4561" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4561/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4561">#4561</a> addresses this first part of this.</p>
<p>The higher/lower stuff seems like it could be better, but it's a lot of work to do carefully.  I'm going to suggest that we could live with this, but I might leave this issue open and try to find a fix once other more pressing issues are dealt with.</p>

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I think that we're OK, and the text added in #4553 should help avoid any need for this point.

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<p>I think that we're OK, and the text added in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779986304" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4553" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4553/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4553">#4553</a> should help avoid any need for this point.</p>

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Yep, that's what the text says.  Did I miss something?

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<p>Yep, that's what the text says.  Did I miss something?</p>

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OK, I see, folding this into #4559.

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<p>OK, I see, folding this into <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779996900" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4559" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4559/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4559">#4559</a>.</p>

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Closed #4558.

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Closes #4559.
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  * Use SHOULD .. can rather than MAY

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4559.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779996900" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4559" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4559/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4559">#4559</a>.</p>

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receiver/client is an invalid comparison here, so this is a bit of a confusing question.  The point is to ensure that a receiver *can* limit what space it commits for buffering.

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<p>receiver/client is an invalid comparison here, so this is a bit of a confusing question.  The point is to ensure that a receiver <em>can</em> limit what space it commits for buffering.</p>

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Closes #4562.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4562.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779997952" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4562" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4562/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4562">#4562</a>.</p>

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Closes #4563.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4604

-- Commit Summary --

  * Be more precise about &quot;once completed&quot;

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4563.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779998383" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4563" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4563/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4563">#4563</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Be more precise about &quot;once completed&quot;</li>
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Most of the states are, but we do have normative statements that depend on certain pieces of these, [for instance](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-3.3-2):

> A sender MUST NOT send any of these frames from a terminal state ("Data Recvd" or "Reset Recvd").

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  Explain how long Retry tokens need to be valid

They only need to be good for one RTT.  Of course, the server doesn't
really know what the RTT is, so this isn't something firm, and I don't
want to explain ALL of that, but this should do.

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They only need to be good for one RTT.  Of course, the server doesn&#39;t
really know what the RTT is, so this isn&#39;t something firm, and I don&#39;t
want to explain ALL of that, but this should do.

Closes #4565.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4605

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  * Explain how long Retry tokens need to be valid

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11)

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<p>They only need to be good for one RTT.  Of course, the server doesn't<br>
really know what the RTT is, so this isn't something firm, and I don't<br>
want to explain ALL of that, but this should do.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4565.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780001852" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4565" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4565/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4565">#4565</a>.</p>

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> @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 "quic hp" label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both "quic key" and "quic hp" are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with "quic iv"
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.

I'm OK with this being independent of RFC 8446.  Though I've changed to N_MIN (no sense in being different).  We can deal with the problem of `N_MIN < 8` if that ever happens (such an AEAD might not be suitable for use with QUIC.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571#discussion_r553037315">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 &quot;quic hp&quot; label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both &quot;quic key&quot; and &quot;quic hp&quot; are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with &quot;quic iv&quot;
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.
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<p>I'm OK with this being independent of RFC 8446.  Though I've changed to N_MIN (no sense in being different).  We can deal with the problem of <code>N_MIN &lt; 8</code> if that ever happens (such an AEAD might not be suitable for use with QUIC.</p>

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> +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame that was sent in a datagram that was not expanded to at
+least 1200 bytes validates the peer address, but it does not validate the path

Thanks, but I'll tweak further.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4580#discussion_r553039664">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +A PATH_CHALLENGE frame that was sent in a datagram that was not expanded to at
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> +be identified as being for the same connection without cooperation from an
+endpoint; see {{migration-linkability}}.

This is talking about any entity doing the linking, and either endpoint in the connection can provide them with the ability to correlate packets for the same connection.  What I proposed is, I believe, correct.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4586#discussion_r553041115">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +be identified as being for the same connection without cooperation from an
+endpoint; see {{migration-linkability}}.
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<p>This is talking about any entity doing the linking, and either endpoint in the connection can provide them with the ability to correlate packets for the same connection.  What I proposed is, I believe, correct.</p>

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and the 20-byte overhead too.

(If this is superseded, that's cool.  Low hanging fruit...)

Closes #4592.



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and the 20-byte overhead too.

(If this is superseded, that&#39;s cool.  Low hanging fruit...)

Closes #4592.
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  * Hyphenate 8-byte overhead

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (2)

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<p>and the 20-byte overhead too.</p>
<p>(If this is superseded, that's cool.  Low hanging fruit...)</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4592.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780615307" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4592" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4592/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4592">#4592</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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I'm happy with the abstract without the extra detail.

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@kaduk said:=0D
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> This document defers creation of a downgrade protection mechanism for=0D=

> version negotiation; after all, if there is only one version in=0D
> existence, there is nothing to negotiate.  However, an effective=0D
> downgrade protection mechanism requires support from all potentially=0D=

> affected parties in order to be reliable, so some careful thought is in=
=0D
> order.  If we limit ourselves to a mindset where QUIC versions are=0D
> infrequent undertakings brought about by standards action (i.e., we=0D
> don't have to worry until a "v2" exists), then deferring seems to be=0D=

> okay (but part of the Discuss is to confirm that my reasoning is valid)=
.=0D
> The main goal of downgrade protection is to be able to distinguish a no=
de=0D
> that only supports v1 (or in general, any single version, or set of=0D
> versions that only has one overlapping version with the peer) from one=0D=

> that supports a different shared version but was tricked by an attacker=
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> I'll call that different version v2 for clarity.  However, if the peer=0D=

> only supports v1, there's nothing to distinguish and nothing to=0D
> negotiate; it suffices to ensure that all nodes that are capable of v2=0D=

> support the downgrade protection scheme.  That is, an attacker can only=
=0D
> change the negotiated protocol version (as opposed to just causing=0D
> connection failure, which can be done in many other ways) if there is=0D=

> some shared version other than v1 that would have been negotiated in th=
e=0D
> absence of the attacker.  So, if v2 is definitly going to be=0D
> defined+implemented before other versions, and all nodes that support v=
2=0D
> support downgrade protection, we are guaranteed that in any case where=0D=

> two peers would negotiate v2 in the absence of an attack, both peers=0D=

> support the downgrade protection mechanism and thus that mechanism will=
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> be effective in the face of an attack.  Peers that don't support the=0D=

> mechanism only do v1 and so there is no downgrade possible when they ar=
e=0D
> participating in the connection.  (We would, of course, still need to b=
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> confident that we could define such a downgrade protection scheme in a=0D=

> backwards-compatible manner, though this seems like a fairly low bar=0D=

> given the extensibility provided by transport parameters and frame=0D
> types.)=0D
> =0D
> However, it's not clear to me that this assumption holds that v2 is=0D
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> some other version will definitely implement v2.  In particular, we=0D
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> there may be a desire to have some custom version of QUIC, perhaps that=
=0D
> only has a small difference from v1, and furthermore a desire to use=0D=

> that custom version when available but be able to use v1 when not=0D
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> parallel, with no clear "first new version" tasked with the=0D
> responsibility to develop a downgrade protection mechanism for global=0D=

> use.  The interaction between multiple competing downgrade-protection=0D=

> mechanisms seems likely to become quite messy quite quickly, so I am=0D=

> inclined to see "make each non-standards-track version specify their ow=
n=0D
> downgrade protection" as a non-starter.=0D
> =0D
> I think that the lack of a secure downgrade protection mechanism is=0D
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it=0D
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> standards action for new QUIC versions until we have a single global=0D=

> downgrade protection mechanism defined.  Or perhaps I misunderstand the=
=0D
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> > QUIC employs a limit-based flow-control scheme where a receiver
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> > given stream or for the entire connection.  [...]
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> Should I be reading some distinction into "limit-based" (here) vs
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@kaduk said

> Section 5.1.1
>
> > An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of
> > available and unused connection IDs.  Endpoints advertise the number
> > of active connection IDs they are willing to maintain using the
> > active_connection_id_limit transport parameter.  An endpoint MUST NOT
> > provide more connection IDs than the peer's limit.  [...]
>
> IIUC, the reason that a negotiated limit is needed here is not exactly
> for the storage of the connection ID values themselves (though the
> requirement to explicitly use RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID makes it not as
> simple as it might be), but rather due to the requirement to recognize
> the associated stateless reset tokens.  Is that correct?  If so, perhaps
> it could be mentioned as a factor, here.

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<p>Section 5.1.1</p>
<blockquote>
<p>An endpoint SHOULD ensure that its peer has a sufficient number of<br>
available and unused connection IDs.  Endpoints advertise the number<br>
of active connection IDs they are willing to maintain using the<br>
active_connection_id_limit transport parameter.  An endpoint MUST NOT<br>
provide more connection IDs than the peer's limit.  [...]</p>
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<p>IIUC, the reason that a negotiated limit is needed here is not exactly<br>
for the storage of the connection ID values themselves (though the<br>
requirement to explicitly use RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID makes it not as<br>
simple as it might be), but rather due to the requirement to recognize<br>
the associated stateless reset tokens.  Is that correct?  If so, perhaps<br>
it could be mentioned as a factor, here.</p>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 5.2.2
>
> >                                 Servers SHOULD respond with a Version
> > Negotiation packet, provided that the datagram is sufficiently long.
>
> This SHOULD seems redundant with the first sentence of the section?
>
> > Packets with a supported version, or no version field, are matched to
> > a connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-
> > length connection IDs - the local address and port.  These packets
> > are processed using the selected connection; otherwise, the server
> > continues below.
>
> (side note) Packets with a short header do not indicate the connection
> ID length (or version).  I think we admit the possibility that a server
> could advertise a zero-length connection ID to some but not all clients;
> does that imply that a lookup by address/port in the local connection
> database would be needed to determine whether such a short-header packet
> would have a zero-length connection ID or not?


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<pre><code>                            Servers SHOULD respond with a Version
</code></pre>
<p>Negotiation packet, provided that the datagram is sufficiently long.</p>
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<p>This SHOULD seems redundant with the first sentence of the section?</p>
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a connection using the connection ID or - for packets with zero-<br>
length connection IDs - the local address and port.  These packets<br>
are processed using the selected connection; otherwise, the server<br>
continues below.</p>
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<p>(side note) Packets with a short header do not indicate the connection<br>
ID length (or version).  I think we admit the possibility that a server<br>
could advertise a zero-length connection ID to some but not all clients;<br>
does that imply that a lookup by address/port in the local connection<br>
database would be needed to determine whether such a short-header packet<br>
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> Section 6.2
>
> >                                             A client MUST discard any
> > Version Negotiation packet if it has received and successfully
> > processed any other packet, including an earlier Version Negotiation
> > packet.  [...]
>
> It seems like this requirement might be too strict, in that it could
> prevent otherwise successful communication when a limited on-path
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@kaduk said:

> Section 7.2
>
> > When an Initial packet is sent by a client that has not previously
> > received an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client
> > populates the Destination Connection ID field with an unpredictable
> > value.  This Destination Connection ID MUST be at least 8 bytes in
> > length.  [...]
>
> My usual policy on seeing a random nonce shorter than 128 bits is to ask
> for explanation of why the shorter value is safe for the use it is being
> put to.  (How bad would it be to bump this to 16?)

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<p></p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kaduk/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kaduk">@kaduk</a> said:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Section 7.2</p>
<blockquote>
<p>When an Initial packet is sent by a client that has not previously<br>
received an Initial or Retry packet from the server, the client<br>
populates the Destination Connection ID field with an unpredictable<br>
value.  This Destination Connection ID MUST be at least 8 bytes in<br>
length.  [...]</p>
</blockquote>
<p>My usual policy on seeing a random nonce shorter than 128 bits is to ask<br>
for explanation of why the shorter value is safe for the use it is being<br>
put to.  (How bad would it be to bump this to 16?)</p>
</blockquote>

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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.

I've some concerns with some of the changes here, but there are a lot of good ones.  Some of these are unnecessary however.  Can you revert or fix those changes I've identified?  Thanks.

> +{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, and the use of cryptographic mechanisms, including the use
+of TLS for key negotiation {{QUIC-TLS}}.

This sentence structure is really odd.

```suggestion
{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}, and the use of TLS and other cryptographic mechanisms {{QUIC-TLS}}.
```

> @@ -1529,7 +1531,7 @@ Handshake (CRYPTO)
 1-RTT (*)              ---------->
                        <---------- 1-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE,*)
 
-1-RTT (*)              <=========>                1-RTT (*)
+1-RTT (                <=========>                1-RTT

```suggestion
1-RTT                  <=========>                    1-RTT
```

> @@ -1529,7 +1531,7 @@ Handshake (CRYPTO)
 1-RTT (*)              ---------->
                        <---------- 1-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE,*)

```suggestion
                       <----------   1-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE)
```

>  
 A client MUST change the Destination Connection ID it uses for sending packets
-in response to only the first received Initial or Retry packet.  A server MUST
+in response to only the first received Initial and/or Retry packet(s).  A server MUST

```suggestion
in response to only the first received Initial or Retry packet.  A server MUST
```
I don't accept the use of "and/or" in any document I edit.

> +more reliable if relatively few packets are sent or if packet loss (that might
+be deliberately triggered by an attacker) coincides

```suggestion
more reliable if relatively few packets are sent or if packet loss coincides
```
I prefer this without the extra illumination.

> @@ -3613,16 +3621,15 @@ connection can usually appear in packets in any packet number space, whereas
 those associated with transferring data can only appear in the application
 data packet number space:
 
-- PADDING, PING, and CRYPTO frames MAY appear in any packet number space.
+- PADDING and PING frames MAY appear in any packet number space.

This change is invalid.  CRYPTO is permitted in every packet number space.  It is only prohibited from 0-RTT.

```suggestion
- PADDING, PING, and CRYPTO frames MAY appear in any packet number space.
```

> +- ACK frames MAY appear in any packet number space other than 0-RTT, but can only acknowledge
+  packets that appeared in that packet number space.

Again, 0-RTT is not a packet number space.

```suggestion
- ACK frames MAY appear in any packet number space, but can only acknowledge
  packets that appeared in that packet number space.  However, as noted below,
  0-RTT packets cannot contain ACK frames.
```

> @@ -4195,7 +4203,7 @@ meet size constraints; the endpoint MAY however discard such datagrams.
 
 A client MUST expand the payload of all UDP datagrams carrying Initial packets
 to at least the smallest allowed maximum datagram size of 1200 bytes by adding
-PADDING frames to the Initial packet or by coalescing the Initial packet; see
+PADDING frames to the Initial packet and/or by coalescing the Initial packet; see

```suggestion
PADDING frames to the Initial packet or by coalescing the Initial packet; see
```

See above.

> +server; a client MUST NOT process those bits other than to verify the Retry
+Integrity Tag.  In addition to the fields from the

I don't think that this is a useful clarification.  Can you revert please?

> +salt) but cannot observe the server's transport parameters as sent to
+the client and cannot influence
+parameter negotiation.  (The attacker could make its own connection to
+the server and observe the transport parameters sent on that
+connection.)

I don't think that this adds much value and so I would prefer not to take this change.

>  
 Connection IDs are unencrypted but integrity protected in all packets.
 
-This version of QUIC does not incorporate a version negotiation mechanism;
+This version of QUIC does not incorporate a complete or secure version negotiation mechanism;

This is unnecessary.

> @@ -6613,7 +6627,7 @@ ensures that valid packets are only generated by endpoints that possess the
 key material established during the handshake; see {{handshake}} and
 {{handshake-properties}}. Similarly, any active attacker that observes packets
 and attempts to insert new data or modify existing data in those packets should
-not be able to generate packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint.
+not be able to generate non-Initial packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint.

```suggestion
not be able to generate packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint,
other than Initial packets.
```

> @@ -6658,7 +6672,7 @@ An on-path attacker can:
 - Delay packets
 - Reorder packets
 - Drop packets
-- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries
+- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries (though header protection obfsucates the location of packet boundaries)

Unnecessary change.

> +Note that introducing artificial gaps might increase the size of the
+returned ACK packets in a manner that scales roughly llinearly with the
+number of gaps introduced, so fewer, larger, gaps may be more efficient.

Unnecessary change.

> @@ -1684,7 +1686,9 @@ retry_source_connection_id transport parameter.
 
 The values provided by a peer for these transport parameters MUST match the
 values that an endpoint used in the Destination and Source Connection ID fields
-of Initial packets that it sent. Including connection ID values in transport
+of Initial packets that it sent (and received, for servers). Endpoints MUST
+validate that received transport parameters match received Connection ID values.
+Including connection ID values in transport

I'm OK with this.

> @@ -4739,8 +4747,9 @@ server MAY send multiple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could
 require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
 
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing
-a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PING, PADDING, and
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type 0x1c are also permitted.  An endpoint that
+a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type
+0x1c, or some combination thereof.  PING and PADDING frames are also permitted.
+An endpoint that

Please revert this.  I don't think that it's an improvement.

> @@ -5065,8 +5075,8 @@ Destination Connection ID:
 
 Packet Number:
 
-: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number has
-  confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as described in
+: The packet number field is 1 to 4 bytes long. The packet number is protected
+  using header protection; see

This is a good change.

> @@ -6520,8 +6531,8 @@ of the security properties of QUIC depend on the TLS handshake providing these
 properties. Any attack on the TLS handshake could affect QUIC.
 
 Any attack on the TLS handshake that compromises the secrecy or uniqueness
-of session keys affects other security guarantees provided by QUIC that depends
-on these keys. For instance, migration ({{migration}}) depends on the efficacy
+of session keys, or the authentication of the participating peers, affects other security guarantees provided by QUIC that depend
+on those keys. For instance, migration ({{migration}}) depends on the efficacy

The structure doesn't seem ideal, but this is OK with me and I can't see anything better.

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+parameter negotiation.  (The attacker could make its own connection to=0D=

+the server and observe the transport parameters sent on that=0D
+connection.)=0D
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<p>I don't think that this adds much value and so I would prefer not to t=
ake this change.</p>=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussi=
on_r553051035">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;  =0D
 Connection IDs are unencrypted but integrity protected in all packets.=0D=

 =0D
-This version of QUIC does not incorporate a version negotiation mechanis=
m;=0D
+This version of QUIC does not incorporate a complete or secure version n=
egotiation mechanism;=0D
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<p>This is unnecessary.</p>=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussi=
on_r553051375">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6613,7 +6627,7 @@ ensures that valid p=
ackets are only generated by endpoints that possess the=0D
 key material established during the handshake; see {{handshake}} and=0D
 {{handshake-properties}}. Similarly, any active attacker that observes p=
ackets=0D
 and attempts to insert new data or modify existing data in those packets=
 should=0D
-not be able to generate packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint.=0D=

+not be able to generate non-Initial packets deemed valid by the receivin=
g endpoint.=0D
</pre>=0D
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<pre style=3D"color: #555">-not be able to generate non-Initial packets d=
eemed valid by the receiving endpoint.=0D
+not be able to generate packets deemed valid by the receiving endpoint,=0D=

+other than Initial packets.=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussi=
on_r553051453">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6658,7 +6672,7 @@ An on-path attacker =
can:=0D
 - Delay packets=0D
 - Reorder packets=0D
 - Drop packets=0D
-- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries=0D
+- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries (though header prote=
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<p>Unnecessary change.</p>=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussi=
on_r553051565">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; +Note that introducing artificial gaps mig=
ht increase the size of the=0D
+returned ACK packets in a manner that scales roughly llinearly with the=0D=

+number of gaps introduced, so fewer, larger, gaps may be more efficient.=
=0D
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<p>Unnecessary change.</p>=0D
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<hr>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussi=
on_r553047073">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1684,7 +1686,9 @@ retry_source_connect=
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 =0D
 The values provided by a peer for these transport parameters MUST match =
the=0D
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 fields=0D
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port=0D
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UST=0D
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<hr>=0D
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussi=
on_r553048822">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
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iple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could=0D
 require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.=0D
 =0D
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) con=
taining=0D
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and=0D
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at=0D
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<hr>=0D
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on_r553049593">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
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 =0D
 Packet Number:=0D
 =0D
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-  confidentiality protection separate from packet protection, as describ=
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ficacy=0D
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ts other security guarantees provided by QUIC that depend=0D
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> >                                                         Once a client
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> This seems over-zealous as written, since it would seem to prevent the
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> Section 7.4
>
> >                 Application protocols can recommend values for
> > transport parameters, such as the initial flow control limits.
> > However, application protocols that set constraints on values for
> > transport parameters could make it impossible for a client to offer
> > multiple application protocols if these constraints conflict.
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> Should we go a step further and forbid application protocols from making
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<p>Section 7.4</p>
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<pre><code>            Application protocols can recommend values for
</code></pre>
<p>transport parameters, such as the initial flow control limits.<br>
However, application protocols that set constraints on values for<br>
transport parameters could make it impossible for a client to offer<br>
multiple application protocols if these constraints conflict.</p>
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<p>Should we go a step further and forbid application protocols from making<br>
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@kaduk said:

Section 7.5

> > Once the handshake completes, if an endpoint is unable to buffer all
> > data in a CRYPTO frame, it MAY discard that CRYPTO frame and all
> > CRYPTO frames received in the future, or it MAY close the connection
> > with a CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED error code.  [...]
> 
> How future-proof is this?  NewSessionTicket is "safe" to discard in that
> doing so has no negative consequences for the current connection (it may
> indicate that previously received tickets have been invalidated, but
> that is also fairly benign and can happen for other reasons), but in
> general post-handshake CRYPTO frames are not constrained in what TLS
> messages they can carry, including any TLS messages defined in the
> future.  I am not sure that we can effectively require all future TLS
> post-handshake messages to be safe to discard.

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<p>Section 7.5</p>
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<p>Once the handshake completes, if an endpoint is unable to buffer all<br>
data in a CRYPTO frame, it MAY discard that CRYPTO frame and all<br>
CRYPTO frames received in the future, or it MAY close the connection<br>
with a CRYPTO_BUFFER_EXCEEDED error code.  [...]</p>
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<p>How future-proof is this?  NewSessionTicket is "safe" to discard in that<br>
doing so has no negative consequences for the current connection (it may<br>
indicate that previously received tickets have been invalidated, but<br>
that is also fairly benign and can happen for other reasons), but in<br>
general post-handshake CRYPTO frames are not constrained in what TLS<br>
messages they can carry, including any TLS messages defined in the<br>
future.  I am not sure that we can effectively require all future TLS<br>
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I think zero or more occurrences is correct and will adjust the text accordingly.

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@kaduk said:

> Section 8.1.4
>
> > An address validation token MUST be difficult to guess.  Including a
> > large enough random value in the token would be sufficient, but this
> > depends on the server remembering the value it sends to clients.
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> (How large is "large enough?")

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<p>An address validation token MUST be difficult to guess.  Including a<br>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 8.2
>
> > Path validation is used by both peers during connection migration
> > (see Section 9) to verify reachability after a change of address.  In
> > path validation, endpoints test reachability between a specific local
> > address and a specific peer address, where an address is the two-
> > tuple of IP address and port.
>
> In light of the toplevel definition of "address" in this document, the
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> Section 9
>
> > The design of QUIC relies on endpoints retaining a stable address for
> > the duration of the handshake.  [...]
>
> Why do we allow PATH_CHALLENGE (and the impossible PATH_RESPONSE) to be
> sent in 0-RTT frames, then?  (This might dupe a comment later...)

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Not repetitions, which might be read to mean one or more occurrences.

This change will conflict, but the conflict is easy to resolve.

Closes #4609.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4626

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<p>Not repetitions, which might be read to mean one or more occurrences.</p>
<p>This change will conflict, but the conflict is easy to resolve.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4609.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780946509" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4609" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4609/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4609">#4609</a>.</p>

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Yes.  QUIC stacks could provide an API that indicates that data was received by a peer, but it is not a very useful signal, because it says nothing about whether it was read by the other side, only that it was buffered.  As the original E2E paper says: any number of things can go wrong from that point that would mean failure to the application, rendering the intermediate-level signal less useful as anything other than an optimization.

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<p>Yes.  QUIC stacks could provide an API that indicates that data was received by a peer, but it is not a very useful signal, because it says nothing about whether it was read by the other side, only that it was buffered.  As the original E2E paper says: any number of things can go wrong from that point that would mean failure to the application, rendering the intermediate-level signal less useful as anything other than an optimization.</p>
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I don't think that this matters, but removing the lines doesn't either and it's probably better that way.

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  Remove Peer Creates transition to Ready

This isn't necessary, and removing it makes it smaller.

Closes #4611.



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This isn&#39;t necessary, and removing it makes it smaller.

Closes #4611.
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  * Remove Peer Creates transition to Ready

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3)

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<p>This isn't necessary, and removing it makes it smaller.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4611.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780948105" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4611" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4611/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4611">#4611</a>.</p>

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While it doesn't require a change, I would have thought that consistent use of terminology would be preferred.
Would it help if I made a pull request?

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<p>While it doesn't require a change, I would have thought that consistent use of terminology would be preferred.<br>
Would it help if I made a pull request?</p>

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Closes #4613.
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  * Pacing moved from 6.9 to 7.7 in recovery

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4613.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780949559" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4613" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4613/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4613">#4613</a>.</p>

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As the recipient of a connection ID, you need to store both.  The concern was that tracking these could be onerous.  That's all.  No need to mention the tokens specially here in my view.

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<p>(The original method devised for handling this, which was to throw out any excess without any signaling, could result in starvation.)</p>
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Regarding the first comment here, I'm OK with repetition.

The second doesn't result in action.

To the question there, yes, you could have a server with a mix of lookup techniques.  It's probably silly and convoluted, but it could be made to work.  You can do that in any number of ways.  A fixed length or self-delimiting connection ID can be looked up too; more so if the connection ID is also self-authenticating.  But we don't need to get into those details (we have other documents coming that do.)

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<p>Regarding the first comment here, I'm OK with repetition.</p>
<p>The second doesn't result in action.</p>
<p>To the question there, yes, you could have a server with a mix of lookup techniques.  It's probably silly and convoluted, but it could be made to work.  You can do that in any number of ways.  A fixed length or self-delimiting connection ID can be looked up too; more so if the connection ID is also self-authenticating.  But we don't need to get into those details (we have other documents coming that do.)</p>

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The working group has a strong agreement not to provide have explicit defense against attempts to disrupt of a handshake prior to completing key agreement.  This is documented in [Section 21.2](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-handshake-denial-of-service) of the document and so we don't defend against this specific style of attack.  On purpose.

We debated this (and other similar attacks) at some length and concluded that the fix would be too costly.  Both to specify and to implement.  Some people expressed interest in implementation independent, there was no consensus in the working group and those people were happy with that decision as it was interest and not commitment.

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<p>The working group has a strong agreement not to provide have explicit defense against attempts to disrupt of a handshake prior to completing key agreement.  This is documented in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-handshake-denial-of-service" rel="nofollow">Section 21.2</a> of the document and so we don't defend against this specific style of attack.  On purpose.</p>
<p>We debated this (and other similar attacks) at some length and concluded that the fix would be too costly.  Both to specify and to implement.  Some people expressed interest in implementation independent, there was no consensus in the working group and those people were happy with that decision as it was interest and not commitment.</p>

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It's at least twice as good as the one used in TCP.  As this is time-bounded and a collision even at probability 0.5 requires immense investment from an attack to engineer, this seems more than adequate for its purpose.

It is also the same size as the tokens we use for path validation.  A change would be disruptive.  I don't see any reason to change here.

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<p>It's at least twice as good as the one used in TCP.  As this is time-bounded and a collision even at probability 0.5 requires immense investment from an attack to engineer, this seems more than adequate for its purpose.</p>
<p>It is also the same size as the tokens we use for path validation.  A change would be disruptive.  I don't see any reason to change here.</p>

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Once the server has made its choice using Initial packets, that is it.  If it wants the client to change the connection ID that is put in Destination Connection ID fields, then it can use NEW_CONNECTION_ID and maybe the Retire Prior To field in that frame.

A server cannot change connection IDs using Source Connection ID in response to migration as no long header packets can be sent once migration is possible.  Migration only occurs after the handshake is confirmed and any keys used to protect long header packets are discarded at that point.

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<p>Once the server has made its choice using Initial packets, that is it.  If it wants the client to change the connection ID that is put in Destination Connection ID fields, then it can use NEW_CONNECTION_ID and maybe the Retire Prior To field in that frame.</p>
<p>A server cannot change connection IDs using Source Connection ID in response to migration as no long header packets can be sent once migration is possible.  Migration only occurs after the handshake is confirmed and any keys used to protect long header packets are discarded at that point.</p>

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No.  I think that making protocols aware of the risk to potential cohabitation is sufficient.  There are cases where it might be deemed acceptable not to potentially share a handshake between protocols.  We just wanted to ensure that this wasn't done accidentally.

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<p>No.  I think that making protocols aware of the risk to potential cohabitation is sufficient.  There are cases where it might be deemed acceptable not to potentially share a handshake between protocols.  We just wanted to ensure that this wasn't done accidentally.</p>

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For context, this point was a little contentious, but the working group did have agreement on this text.  I would be opposed to changing in.

In defense of this, the use of TLS in QUIC is only really dependent on the handshake and NST.  And NST is very much discretionary.  If a new TLS feature arrives that requires ongoing communication at the TLS layer and QUIC depends on that, the only effect of this requirement is that that feature cannot also be used in QUIC without QUIC-layer signaling.  That's not particularly onerous in my opinion.

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<p>For context, this point was a little contentious, but the working group did have agreement on this text.  I would be opposed to changing in.</p>
<p>In defense of this, the use of TLS in QUIC is only really dependent on the handshake and NST.  And NST is very much discretionary.  If a new TLS feature arrives that requires ongoing communication at the TLS layer and QUIC depends on that, the only effect of this requirement is that that feature cannot also be used in QUIC without QUIC-layer signaling.  That's not particularly onerous in my opinion.</p>

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I think "can" works equally well, given the precondition.  I'll make that change.

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Closes #4621.
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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4621.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780951225" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4621" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4621/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4621">#4621</a>.</p>

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> Section 9.5
>
> > Similarly, an endpoint MUST NOT reuse a connection ID when sending to
> > more than one destination address.  Due to network changes outside
> > the control of its peer, an endpoint might receive packets from a new
> > source address with the same destination connection ID, in which case
> > it MAY continue to use the current connection ID with the new remote
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> The MAY seems like it may be in conflict with the MUST.

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<p>Similarly, an endpoint MUST NOT reuse a connection ID when sending to<br>
more than one destination address.  Due to network changes outside<br>
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source address with the same destination connection ID, in which case<br>
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> Section 10.2.1
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> > An endpoint's selected connection ID and the QUIC version are
> > sufficient information to identify packets for a closing connection;
> > the endpoint MAY discard all other connection state.  [...]
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> Are the packet protection keys for outgoing traffic (or the literal
> CONNECTION_CLOSE packet contents) not considered part of "connection
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@kazuho commented on this pull request.



> @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 "quic hp" label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both "quic key" and "quic hp" are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with "quic iv"
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.

Thank you for the changes. It's better, but IMO `max(8, N_MIN)` is preferable than `N_MIN`.

The reasons are:
* I'm not sure if we need to allow N_MIN < 8 (should that happen), considering the fact that our packet numbers are 62 bits.
* From implementation perspective, it would be better if we can be clear that QUIC would not change the size of the nonce of cipher suites that are defined by TLS 1.3.

Though I can concede with current state of PR, because QUIC cannot silently add support for new cipher suites as they get defined for TLS. We need to define header protection for each of them, so we can delegate the discussion of AEAD nonce size.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571#discussion_r553064443">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 &quot;quic hp&quot; label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both &quot;quic key&quot; and &quot;quic hp&quot; are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with &quot;quic iv&quot;
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.
</pre>
<p>Thank you for the changes. It's better, but IMO <code>max(8, N_MIN)</code> is preferable than <code>N_MIN</code>.</p>
<p>The reasons are:</p>
<ul>
<li>I'm not sure if we need to allow N_MIN &lt; 8 (should that happen), considering the fact that our packet numbers are 62 bits.</li>
<li>From implementation perspective, it would be better if we can be clear that QUIC would not change the size of the nonce of cipher suites that are defined by TLS 1.3.</li>
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<p>Though I can concede with current state of PR, because QUIC cannot silently add support for new cipher suites as they get defined for TLS. We need to define header protection for each of them, so we can delegate the discussion of AEAD nonce size.</p>

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@kaduk said:

> Section 10.3
>
> Just to check my understanding: it is "safe" for a server to decide that
> it will never use stateless reset and send random values in the
> stateless_reset_token fields that it immediately forgets?  (It would
> then not be able to ever send stateless reset, of course, but AFAICT
> that is the only consequence.  The client still has to track the
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<p>Section 10.3</p>
<p>Just to check my understanding: it is "safe" for a server to decide that<br>
it will never use stateless reset and send random values in the<br>
stateless_reset_token fields that it immediately forgets?  (It would<br>
then not be able to ever send stateless reset, of course, but AFAICT<br>
that is the only consequence.  The client still has to track the<br>
relevant state, and the server has to track<br>
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  Branch: refs/heads/must-token-differentiation
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e56f16950f03f47eed86889eee29b9f385b1a282
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  NEW_TOKEN and Retry tokens already need to be distinguished

So just reference that as fact instead.

Closes #4622.



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Yes.  A reference should do instead.

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So just reference that as fact instead.

Closes #4622.
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  * NEW_TOKEN and Retry tokens already need to be distinguished

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9)

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<p>So just reference that as fact instead.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4622.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780951411" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4622" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4622/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4622">#4622</a>.</p>

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  <li>NEW_TOKEN and Retry tokens already need to be distinguished</li>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 10.3.2
>
> I'm not sure whether it should be here or earlier, but somewhere we
> should motivate this construction as being something that can be
> generated statelessly, e.g., by a server restarting after a crash, based
> only on attributes (e.g., Connection ID) of a received packet from a
> previous connection.  The value is computed in advance and given to the
> peer so that the peer will know what to expect if the stateless reset
> functionality needs to be used, and then generated at runtime by an
> endpoint that has lost state.  The scheme described in the first
> paragraph requires state, and thus is hard to justify describing as a
> stateless reset...

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<p>Section 10.3.2</p>
<p>I'm not sure whether it should be here or earlier, but somewhere we<br>
should motivate this construction as being something that can be<br>
generated statelessly, e.g., by a server restarting after a crash, based<br>
only on attributes (e.g., Connection ID) of a received packet from a<br>
previous connection.  The value is computed in advance and given to the<br>
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endpoint that has lost state.  The scheme described in the first<br>
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> Section 10.3.2
> > A single static key can be used across all connections to the same
> > endpoint by generating the proof using a second iteration of a
> > preimage-resistant function that takes a static key and the
> > connection ID chosen by the endpoint (see Section 5.1) as input.  [...]
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> The phrase "second iteration" doesn't seem to be explained at all.

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@kaduk said:

> Section 10.3.2

> > This design relies on the peer always sending a connection ID in its
> > packets so that the endpoint can use the connection ID from a packet
> > to reset the connection.  An endpoint that uses this design MUST
> > either use the same connection ID length for all connections or
> > encode the length of the connection ID such that it can be recovered
> > without state.  In addition, it cannot provide a zero-length
> > connection ID.
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> (There is a corollary that the length of the connection ID has to be
> enough so that multiple connection IDs can be issued to all potential
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> Section 13.2.3
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> Do we have a strict definition of "out of order" that we adhere to?  I
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@kaduk said:

> Section 13.2.5
>
> > When the measured acknowledgement delay is larger than its
> > max_ack_delay, an endpoint SHOULD report the measured delay.  This
> > information is especially useful during the handshake when delays
> > might be large; see Section 13.2.1.
>
> I'm not sure I understand when this delay would not be reported even in
> the absence of this guidance.  Is the idea that you should specifically
> send an ACK with Largest Acknowledged corresponding to the highly
> delayed packet, even if you could send an ACK with a larger Largest
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max_ack_delay, an endpoint SHOULD report the measured delay.  This<br>
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might be large; see Section 13.2.1.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure I understand when this delay would not be reported even in<br>
the absence of this guidance.  Is the idea that you should specifically<br>
send an ACK with Largest Acknowledged corresponding to the highly<br>
delayed packet, even if you could send an ACK with a larger Largest<br>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 17.2.5.1
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> > A server MAY send Retry packets in response to Initial and 0-RTT
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> Section 17.2.5.2
>
> > Token field to the token provided in the Retry.  The client MUST NOT
> > change the Source Connection ID because the server could include the
> > connection ID as part of its token validation logic; see
> > Section 8.1.4.
>
> It looks like Section 8.1.4 doesn't actually talk specifically about
> connection IDs being bound to the token, just "additional information
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<p>Token field to the token provided in the Retry.  The client MUST NOT<br>
change the Source Connection ID because the server could include the<br>
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<p>It looks like Section 8.1.4 doesn't actually talk specifically about<br>
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> Section 19.16
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> Is it the sending or the ACKing of the frame that effectuates the
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> Section 19.17
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> As above, please confirm that the 64-bit nonce is wide enough to support
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> Section 19.19
>
> > Reason Phrase:  A human-readable explanation for why the connection
> >    was closed.  This can be zero length if the sender chooses not to
> >    give details beyond the Error Code.  This SHOULD be a UTF-8
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> Does "human-readable" engage BCP 18 and the SHOULD-level requirement for
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<p>Reason Phrase:  A human-readable explanation for why the connection<br>
was closed.  This can be zero length if the sender chooses not to<br>
give details beyond the Error Code.  This SHOULD be a UTF-8<br>
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<p>Does "human-readable" engage BCP 18 and the SHOULD-level requirement for<br>
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> Section 20.1
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> > TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR (0x8):  An endpoint received transport
> >    parameters that were badly formatted, included an invalid value,
> >    was absent even though it is mandatory, was present though it is
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> (nit) maybe some singluar/plural mismatch here, though the RFC Editor
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> Section 21
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> Should we reiterate somewhere that 1-RTT data sent by the server prior
> to handshake completion is being sent to an unauthenticated client?

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> Section 21.1
>
> As was noted by others, the terminology used for the taxonomy of
> attackers is a bit unusual (i.e., divergent from [SEC-CONS]) and
> surprising.  It does seem to be fairly clearly specified, though, so is
> probably not worth trying to change at this point.

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> Section 21.1.1
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> Section 21.1.3.1
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> Those packet boundaries are obfuscated by header protection, though,
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> Section 21.1.3.3
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> Pedantically, if the client resumes activity after the server does, but
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@kaduk said:

> Section 21.2
>
> > The Source and Destination Connection ID fields are the primary means
> > of protection against off-path attack during the handshake.  These
>
> Presumably we should then give some guidance on how to generate the
> Connection IDs so that they can fulfill this role effectively.  Though it
> is likely to change significantly as a result of IETF Review,
> draft-gont-numeric-ids-sec-considerations may have some useful advice
> here.  In particular, it seems like they actually do need to be
> unpredictable in order to fulfill this role, and very short Connection
> IDs will not be very effective either.

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<p>Section 21.2</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The Source and Destination Connection ID fields are the primary means<br>
of protection against off-path attack during the handshake.  These</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Presumably we should then give some guidance on how to generate the<br>
Connection IDs so that they can fulfill this role effectively.  Though it<br>
is likely to change significantly as a result of IETF Review,<br>
draft-gont-numeric-ids-sec-considerations may have some useful advice<br>
here.  In particular, it seems like they actually do need to be<br>
unpredictable in order to fulfill this role, and very short Connection<br>
IDs will not be very effective either.</p>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 21.3
>
> > Servers SHOULD provide mitigations for this attack by limiting the
> > usage and lifetime of address validation tokens; see Section 8.1.3.
>
> I recognize that it is probably an advanced implementation feature to do
> so, but implementations can also mitigate by detecting elevated rates
> across all connections or some identifiable cateogry of connections, of
> sending responses to 0-RTT data that are declared lost, treating that as
> indication of an ongoing attack, and racheting down the congestion
> window it uses for such data for the duration of the attack.  This in
> theory could improve the stability of the Internet as a whole, which
> would be the motivation for mentioning it in this document as opposed to
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<p>Section 21.3</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Servers SHOULD provide mitigations for this attack by limiting the<br>
usage and lifetime of address validation tokens; see Section 8.1.3.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I recognize that it is probably an advanced implementation feature to do<br>
so, but implementations can also mitigate by detecting elevated rates<br>
across all connections or some identifiable cateogry of connections, of<br>
sending responses to 0-RTT data that are declared lost, treating that as<br>
indication of an ongoing attack, and racheting down the congestion<br>
window it uses for such data for the duration of the attack.  This in<br>
theory could improve the stability of the Internet as a whole, which<br>
would be the motivation for mentioning it in this document as opposed to<br>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 21.5
>
> > For example, cross-site request forgery [CSRF] exploits on the Web
> > cause a client to issue requests that include authorization cookies
> > [COOKIE], allowing one site access to information and actions that
> > are intended to be restricted to a different site.
>
> Server-side request forgery is also a powerful example of this type of
> attack.  Though it's not really clear that we need more than one example
> here, so "no change" is okay with me.

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<p>Section 21.5</p>
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<p>For example, cross-site request forgery [CSRF] exploits on the Web<br>
cause a client to issue requests that include authorization cookies<br>
[COOKIE], allowing one site access to information and actions that<br>
are intended to be restricted to a different site.</p>
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<p>Server-side request forgery is also a powerful example of this type of<br>
attack.  Though it's not really clear that we need more than one example<br>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 21.5.2
>
> > Clients however are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame.
> > Request forgery attacks that rely on the Token field can be avoided
> > if clients send an empty Token field when the server address has
> > changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received.
>
> > Clients could avoid using NEW_TOKEN if the server address changes.
> > However, not including a Token field could adversely affect
> > performance.  Servers could rely on NEW_TOKEN to enable sending of
> > data in excess of the three times limit on sending data; see
> > Section 8.1.  In particular, this affects cases where clients use
> > 0-RTT to request data from servers.
>
> This seems to be setting us up to specifically recommend trading away
> security in favor of performance.  Is that the right tradeoff?
> (Also, in the vein of my earlier comment, advanced implementation
> strategies involving detecting the presence of an attack might provide
> global benefit to the Internet, though the case is a bit weaker here
> than it was in the other situation.)

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<p>Section 21.5.2</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Clients however are not obligated to use the NEW_TOKEN frame.<br>
Request forgery attacks that rely on the Token field can be avoided<br>
if clients send an empty Token field when the server address has<br>
changed from when the NEW_TOKEN frame was received.</p>
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<p>Clients could avoid using NEW_TOKEN if the server address changes.<br>
However, not including a Token field could adversely affect<br>
performance.  Servers could rely on NEW_TOKEN to enable sending of<br>
data in excess of the three times limit on sending data; see<br>
Section 8.1.  In particular, this affects cases where clients use<br>
0-RTT to request data from servers.</p>
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<p>This seems to be setting us up to specifically recommend trading away<br>
security in favor of performance.  Is that the right tradeoff?<br>
(Also, in the vein of my earlier comment, advanced implementation<br>
strategies involving detecting the presence of an attack might provide<br>
global benefit to the Internet, though the case is a bit weaker here<br>
than it was in the other situation.)</p>
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> Section 21.10
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> > An on-the-side attacker can duplicate and send packets with modified
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> Section 21.13
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> >                     Ideally, routing decisions are made independently
> > of client-selected values; a Source Connection ID can be selected to
> > route later packets to the same server.
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> Is the client's address considered to be "client-selected"?  It's not
> clear to me that ignoring IP address locality and routing efficiency is
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> Section 22.1.1
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> Are there going to be PII concerns with requiring contact information in
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> Section 22.1.2
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> > Applications to register codepoints in QUIC registries MAY include a
> > codepoint as part of the registration.  IANA MUST allocate the
> > selected codepoint if the codepoint is unassigned and the
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> Is this intended to preclude the experts from requiring an allocation to
> be made from a range with a different-length encoding?

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> Section 22.1.4
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> Should we require an expectation that the publicly available
> specification is going to be stable and/or continue to be accessible, as
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> Section 23.1
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> I think RFC 4086 is typically listed only as an Informative reference.
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> It is amusing that IPv4 is a normative reference but IPv6 only
> informative.  (Given how they are referenced, I don't fault this
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> Section 23.2
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 78e114baa28c8be34eb0c5792893beec2c688db7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/78e114baa28c8be34eb0c5792893beec2c688db7
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Clarify definition of off-path

We weren't being consistent.  This should help.

Next step is to ensure that our usage is consistent.


  Commit: 123edd6acdb98396f3e144b580e9b06f73069537
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/123edd6acdb98396f3e144b580e9b06f73069537
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Consistency in off-path usage: -transport


  Commit: 4f837ca0145b7c7cd01a47190a5b12e5d8887238
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4f837ca0145b7c7cd01a47190a5b12e5d8887238
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Consistency in use of off-path: -tls


  Commit: 9504a9fab1d12a599738996cf8ba9c0cda6d9d9e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9504a9fab1d12a599738996cf8ba9c0cda6d9d9e
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  nits

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 232fbb372e53e924dc3df7a8a55fc672cfdce041
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/232fbb372e53e924dc3df7a8a55fc672cfdce041
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  a good observation

Co-authored-by: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>


  Commit: 4b8f06ecbbdcfefea4b6441c71e984cd8f210c6b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4b8f06ecbbdcfefea4b6441c71e984cd8f210c6b
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Wrap


  Commit: be3b4e852050338bea18bd61efe825f6b192d259
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/be3b4e852050338bea18bd61efe825f6b192d259
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-04 (Mon, 04 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  Fewer words

Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>


  Commit: b7b06086078b65ee99c456ad97643bb87146d9c1
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b7b06086078b65ee99c456ad97643bb87146d9c1
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-04 (Mon, 04 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Add invariants to the list


  Commit: 6d5f25cf8498c2318b3ef62971cac2cf56505ef0
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d5f25cf8498c2318b3ef62971cac2cf56505ef0
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-05 (Tue, 05 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  entities


  Commit: 13f8b3cb2b068372bbe536aa906d7884245a8dfb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/13f8b3cb2b068372bbe536aa906d7884245a8dfb
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4462 from quicwg/off-path-defn

Clarify definition of off-path


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1f2efc138b40...13f8b3cb2b06


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 5e6c750d0f4a1977f60e8eed7c15fc83a6cd3119
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  This "this" was just confusing

The text was probably backwards, but rather than invert it, remove the
indirect reference to the subject of the claim and be explicit.

Closes #4515.


  Commit: 2f865d80d94f73e45d0cebaabe7a2188e87b1461
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  Merge pull request #4581 from quicwg/flow-label-this

This "this" was just confusing


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/13f8b3cb2b06...2f865d80d94f


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: abfa7c0abf381fcc80512a4cdfc1734ee09ddd9f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/abfa7c0abf381fcc80512a4cdfc1734ee09ddd9f
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Drop the plural

Closes #4522.


  Commit: 42c87ce3ac7ac7dc4f5cb143a49c5de581dc1392
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4584 from quicwg/new-token-s

Drop the plural


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2f865d80d94f...42c87ce3ac7a


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Restore missing 'in'

Closes #4523.


  Commit: 77cb8266d8b190ade626f97eb59dc8845039d35d
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  Merge pull request #4585 from quicwg/bad-ref-in

Restore missing 'in'


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> 1) I find it hard to understand why a server is allowed to independently decide
> whether or not to support the spin bit on a connection?  Shouldn't the client
> (or administrator of the client system) that opened the connection be able to
> choose whether they want the RTT to be monitorable via the spin bit?  What is
> the reasoning for allowing the server (or server administrator) to be able to
> independently be able to decide what is best for the client?

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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
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<li>I find it hard to understand why a server is allowed to independently decide<br>
whether or not to support the spin bit on a connection?  Shouldn't the client<br>
(or administrator of the client system) that opened the connection be able to<br>
choose whether they want the RTT to be monitorable via the spin bit?  What is<br>
the reasoning for allowing the server (or server administrator) to be able to<br>
independently be able to decide what is best for the client?</li>
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  Changed paths:
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  STOP_SENDING carries information too

So it could be unsafe for use in 0-RTT.

Closes #4494.


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  Merge pull request #4574 from quicwg/stop-sending-0rtt

STOP_SENDING carries information too


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> 2) In the case that the spin-bit is disabled, I don't understand the benefit of
> injecting a random spin bit value in each packet rather than always setting it
> to a per connection random value.  It seems that whether or not the randomness
> is injected, it is expected to be feasible to extract the RTT for those
> connections that are genuinely spinning the bit (or otherwise the spin bit is
> entirely pointless), but it just seems to make it computationally harder to
> extract the signal from the noise.  Perhaps the goal here is reduce the ability
> for pervasive monitoring to occur, but that feels a bit like security through
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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
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<li>In the case that the spin-bit is disabled, I don't understand the benefit of<br>
injecting a random spin bit value in each packet rather than always setting it<br>
to a per connection random value.  It seems that whether or not the randomness<br>
is injected, it is expected to be feasible to extract the RTT for those<br>
connections that are genuinely spinning the bit (or otherwise the spin bit is<br>
entirely pointless), but it just seems to make it computationally harder to<br>
extract the signal from the noise.  Perhaps the goal here is reduce the ability<br>
for pervasive monitoring to occur, but that feels a bit like security through<br>
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> @@ -1475,9 +1475,10 @@ version to test that a peer correctly discards the packet.
 
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> It would be helpful to clarify what the expected behaviour is for an
> implementation that chooses not to support the spin-bit.  Does it just leave
> the bit set as 0, or is it meant to follow the same behaviour as if spin-bit is
> supported but disabled?

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<p>It would be helpful to clarify what the expected behaviour is for an<br>
implementation that chooses not to support the spin-bit.  Does it just leave<br>
the bit set as 0, or is it meant to follow the same behaviour as if spin-bit is<br>
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Rob Wilton said:

> This may not be discuss worthy, but some of the spin bit behaviour is
> inconsistently defined between the quic transport and quic manageability
> drafts.  Specifically:
>   - The transport draft states that at least 1 in 16 connections "MUST" disable
>   spinning, whereas the manageability draft states this as "recommended". - In
>   the case that the spin bit is disabled, the transport draft uses
>   "RECOMMENDED" to use a random value for each packet, or chosen independently
>   for each connection.  Whereas the manageability draft uses "can" and lists
>   the two options in the opposite order.
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>   For this review, since it is in IESG review, I've presumed that the transport
>   draft has the definitive definitions and the manageability draft is lagging.

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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
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<p>This may not be discuss worthy, but some of the spin bit behaviour is<br>
inconsistently defined between the quic transport and quic manageability<br>
drafts.  Specifically:</p>
<ul>
<li>The transport draft states that at least 1 in 16 connections "MUST" disable<br>
spinning, whereas the manageability draft states this as "recommended". - In<br>
the case that the spin bit is disabled, the transport draft uses<br>
"RECOMMENDED" to use a random value for each packet, or chosen independently<br>
for each connection.  Whereas the manageability draft uses "can" and lists<br>
the two options in the opposite order.</li>
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<p>For this review, since it is in IESG review, I've presumed that the transport<br>
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> >    1.2.  Terms and Definitions
> >
> >    Frame: A unit of structured protocol information. There are multiple frame
> >    types, each of which carries different information. Frames are contained in
> >    QUIC packets.
>
> Perhaps indicate that a quic packet can contain multiple frames?  The
> terminology states that a datagram contains multiple quick packets, but it
> wasn't obvious to me that a quick packet can contain multple frames.

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<p>1.2.  Terms and Definitions</p>
<p>Frame: A unit of structured protocol information. There are multiple frame<br>
types, each of which carries different information. Frames are contained in<br>
QUIC packets.</p>
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<p>Perhaps indicate that a quic packet can contain multiple frames?  The<br>
terminology states that a datagram contains multiple quick packets, but it<br>
wasn't obvious to me that a quick packet can contain multple frames.</p>
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Rob Wilton said:

> >    This document uses the terms "QUIC packets", "UDP datagrams", and "IP
> >    packets" to refer to the units of the respective protocols. That is, one or
> >    more QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a UDP datagram, which is in turn
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> Frame is a widely used term in L2.  Hence, it might be helpful if this
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> (or an alternative place) to mention that a QUIC packet contains one or more
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<p>This document uses the terms "QUIC packets", "UDP datagrams", and "IP<br>
packets" to refer to the units of the respective protocols. That is, one or<br>
more QUIC packets can be encapsulated in a UDP datagram, which is in turn<br>
encapsulated in an IP packet.</p>
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<p>Frame is a widely used term in L2.  Hence, it might be helpful if this<br>
description also covered "Frames".  Perhaps this would also be a helpful place<br>
(or an alternative place) to mention that a QUIC packet contains one or more<br>
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> >   3.  Stream States
> >
> >    Bidirectional streams use both state machines
>
> Maybe clarify this to indicate that it means that both state machines are used
> at each endpoint.  Otherwise, even unidirection steams use both state machines,
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<li>Stream States</li>
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<p>Bidirectional streams use both state machines</p>
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<p>Maybe clarify this to indicate that it means that both state machines are used<br>
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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

one nit

> +support for Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) by observing whether the ACK
+frames acknowledging the first packets it sends carry ECN counts, as described
+in {{ecn-validation}}.

```suggestion
support for ECN by observing whether the ACK frames acknowledging the first
packets it sends carry ECN counts, as described in {{ecn-validation}}.
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<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4583#discussi=
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  Branch: refs/heads/only-one-ecn
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  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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Rob Wilton said:

>     3.2.  Receiving Stream States
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>     Figure 3: States for Receiving Parts of Streams
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> Perhaps expand "App Read RST" to "App Read RESET", since there doesn't seem a
> great reason to abbreviate it.

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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
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<pre><code>3.2.  Receiving Stream States

Figure 3: States for Receiving Parts of Streams
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<p>Perhaps expand "App Read RST" to "App Read RESET", since there doesn't seem a<br>
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Rob Wilton said:

> >    3.2.  Receiving Stream States
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> >    The receiving part of a stream enters the "Recv" state when the
> >    sending part of a bidirectional stream initiated by the endpoint
> >    (type 0 for a client, type 1 for a server) enters the "Ready" state.
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> This might be slightly clearer if the conditional predicate was moved to the
> beginning of the sentence.  E.g., For bidirectional streams, ...

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<p>3.2.  Receiving Stream States</p>
<p>The receiving part of a stream enters the "Recv" state when the<br>
sending part of a bidirectional stream initiated by the endpoint<br>
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<p>This might be slightly clearer if the conditional predicate was moved to the<br>
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>    4.1.  Data Flow Control
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Rob Wilton said:

>    4.6.  Controlling Concurrency
>
>     An endpoint that is unable to open a new stream due to the peer's limits
>     SHOULD send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame (Section 19.14). This signal is
>     considered useful for debugging. An endpoint MUST NOT wait to receive this
>     signal before advertising additional credit, since Iyengar & Thomson
>     Expires 16 June 2021 [Page 29] Internet-Draft QUIC Transport Protocol
>     December 2020 doing so will mean that the peer will be blocked for at least
>     an entire round trip, and potentially indefinitely if the peer chooses not
>     to send STREAMS_BLOCKED frames.
>
> By additional credit, does it sending MAX_STREAMS?  If so, it might be helpful
> to clarify that.

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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>4.6.  Controlling Concurrency</p>
<pre><code>An endpoint that is unable to open a new stream due to the peer's limits
SHOULD send a STREAMS_BLOCKED frame (Section 19.14). This signal is
considered useful for debugging. An endpoint MUST NOT wait to receive this
signal before advertising additional credit, since Iyengar &amp; Thomson
Expires 16 June 2021 [Page 29] Internet-Draft QUIC Transport Protocol
December 2020 doing so will mean that the peer will be blocked for at least
an entire round trip, and potentially indefinitely if the peer chooses not
to send STREAMS_BLOCKED frames.
</code></pre>
<p>By additional credit, does it sending MAX_STREAMS?  If so, it might be helpful<br>
to clarify that.</p>
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Rob Wilton said:

> >   5.1.  Connection ID
> >
> >    5.1.1.  Issuing Connection IDs
> >
> >       Additional connection IDs are communicated to the peer using
> >       NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames (Section 19.15).  The sequence number on
> >       each newly issued connection ID MUST increase by 1.  The connection
> >       ID randomly selected by the client in the Initial packet and any
> >       connection ID provided by a Retry packet are not assigned sequence
> >       numbers unless a server opts to retain them as its initial connection
> >       ID.
>
> I was slightly confused by the "The connection ID randomly selected by the
> client".  Elsewhere in section 5.1 it says that connection id allocation are
> implementation specific.  Are there any constraints on how connection ids can
> be allocated (other than not repeating as already stated).  E.g., could an
> implementation just allocate them as integers starting at 1?  Or can all
> connection ids (including NEW_CONNECTION_IDs) be randomly allocated?

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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
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<blockquote>
<p>5.1.  Connection ID</p>
<p>5.1.1.  Issuing Connection IDs</p>
<pre><code>  Additional connection IDs are communicated to the peer using
  NEW_CONNECTION_ID frames (Section 19.15).  The sequence number on
  each newly issued connection ID MUST increase by 1.  The connection
  ID randomly selected by the client in the Initial packet and any
  connection ID provided by a Retry packet are not assigned sequence
  numbers unless a server opts to retain them as its initial connection
  ID.
</code></pre>
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<p>I was slightly confused by the "The connection ID randomly selected by the<br>
client".  Elsewhere in section 5.1 it says that connection id allocation are<br>
implementation specific.  Are there any constraints on how connection ids can<br>
be allocated (other than not repeating as already stated).  E.g., could an<br>
implementation just allocate them as integers starting at 1?  Or can all<br>
connection ids (including NEW_CONNECTION_IDs) be randomly allocated?</p>
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  The 1200 byte thing limits space for extensions

...if the path doesn't provide extra headroom.

Includes some rewording of the text.

Closes #4516.


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ee2eef3cf38bba21ae61417e81ff03ed410c7795
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  Merge pull request #4582 from quicwg/limited-extension-space

The 1200 byte thing limits space for extensions


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c02d91f4a1a0a5c1295b91cc6c07a454c491b408
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  Merge ECN text in Section 7

This is my best stab at it.

Closes #4521.


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


  Commit: 0885fc8c4b05ba909717189d553bf3fc36434a9b
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  Merge pull request #4583 from quicwg/only-one-ecn

Merge ECN text in Section 7


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> >   16. Variable-Length Integer Encoding
> >
> >    No requirement to send integers in smallest encoding possible?  E.g. okay
> >    to send the value 3 in an 8 byte field?
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> This section doesn't indicate whether a sender is allowed to send integers not
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<p>Rob Wilton said:</p>
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<li>Variable-Length Integer Encoding</li>
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<p>No requirement to send integers in smallest encoding possible?  E.g. okay<br>
to send the value 3 in an 8 byte field?</p>
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<p>This section doesn't indicate whether a sender is allowed to send integers not<br>
using the smallest possible encoding, and doesn't indicate whether a receive is<br>
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Rob Wilton said:

>    17.  Packet Formats
>
>     Version: The QUIC Version is a 32-bit field that follows the first byte.
>     This field indicates the version of QUIC that is in use and determines how
>     the rest of the protocol fields are interpreted.
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> By "rest of the protocol fields", I had incorrectly interpreted this as meaning
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> Perhaps worth clarifying - although I recall that it does become clear
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<pre><code>Version: The QUIC Version is a 32-bit field that follows the first byte.
This field indicates the version of QUIC that is in use and determines how
the rest of the protocol fields are interpreted.
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<p>By "rest of the protocol fields", I had incorrectly interpreted this as meaning<br>
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<pre><code>17.  Packet Formats

Type-Specific Bits: The lower four bits (those with a mask of 0x0f) of byte
0 are type-specific
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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

a couple of nits

> @@ -137,12 +137,12 @@ x (A..B):
   a minimum of zero bits and B can be omitted to indicate no set upper limit;
   values in this format always end on an byte boundary
 
-x (?) = C:
+x (L) = C:
 : Indicates that x has a fixed value of C

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> @@ -137,12 +137,12 @@ x (A..B):
   a minimum of zero bits and B can be omitted to indicate no set upper limit;
   values in this format always end on an byte boundary
 
-x (?) = C:
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 : Indicates that x has a fixed value of C

Also change the `x (A)` definition above to be `x (L)`

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> @@ -1281,11 +1281,12 @@ selected, it MUST discard that packet.
 
 ### Server Packet Handling {#server-pkt-handling}
 
-If a server receives a packet that indicates an unsupported version but is large
-enough to initiate a new connection for any supported version, the server
-SHOULD send a Version Negotiation packet as described in {{send-vn}}.  A server
-MAY limit the number of packets to which it responds with a Version Negotiation
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I guess #4607 might have some bearing here as well.

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<p>I guess <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780945116" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4607" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4607/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4607">#4607</a> might have some bearing here as well.</p>

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> +As reflected by TLP defined in RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), a single
+packet loss at the tail does not indicate persistent congestion, so QUIC does
+not collapse the congestion window when the PTO expires.  Instead of
+collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything in-flight lost, QUIC
+specifies a time-based definition to ensure one or more packets are sent prior
+to a dramatic decrease in congestion window; see {{persistent-congestion}}.
+QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion window
+whenever the timer expires.

```suggestion
Similar to the RACK-TLP loss detection algorithm for TCP
({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), QUIC does not collapse the congestion window
when the PTO expires, since a single packet loss at the tail does not indicate
persistent congestion.  Instead, QUIC collapses the congestion window when
persistent congestion is declared; see {{persistent-congestion}}.

QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion window whenever
the timer expires.
```

> -congestion window until persistent congestion ({{persistent-congestion}}) is
-declared, unlike TCP, which collapses the congestion window upon expiry of an
-RTO.  Instead of collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything
-in-flight lost, QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion
-window whenever the timer expires.
+computation; see {{?RFC6297}}.  QUIC's PTO includes the peer's maximum expected
+acknowledgment delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout.
+
+As reflected by TLP defined in RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), a single
+packet loss at the tail does not indicate persistent congestion, so QUIC does
+not collapse the congestion window when the PTO expires.  Instead of
+collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything in-flight lost, QUIC
+specifies a time-based definition to ensure one or more packets are sent prior
+to a dramatic decrease in congestion window; see {{persistent-congestion}}.
+QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion window
+whenever the timer expires.
 
 In doing this, QUIC avoids unnecessary congestion window reductions, obviating

This paragraph applies to the text before the last sentence above. I would move it up and merge it with the para on not collapsing the cwnd.

> @@ -467,7 +466,7 @@ path, whereas loss detection also relies upon key availability.
 
 Acknowledgment-based loss detection implements the spirit of TCP's Fast
 Retransmit ({{?RFC5681}}), Early Retransmit ({{?RFC5827}}), FACK ({{FACK}}),
-SACK loss recovery ({{?RFC6675}}), and RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}). This
+SACK loss recovery ({{?RFC6675}}), and RACK ({{?RACK}}). This

```suggestion
SACK loss recovery ({{?RFC6675}}), and RACK-TLP ({{?RACK}}). This
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> +QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK ({{?RFC6675}}), but
+QUIC does not allow any acknowledged packet to be reneged, greatly simplifying
+implementations on both sides and reducing memory pressure on the sender.

```suggestion
QUIC ACK frames contain information similar to that in TCP Selective
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My mistake; I haven't responded to this DISCUSS yet.  I will do so shortly.

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>  An endpoint SHOULD copy the error code from the STOP_SENDING frame to the
-RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but MAY use any application error code.  An
+RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but can use any application error code.  An

Drop the "but can..." -- it's not necessary

>  IP address.  It SHOULD drop packets for this connection received on the old IP
-address, but MAY continue to process delayed packets.
+address, but can continue to process delayed packets.

This is badly written -- the SHOULD and the MAY apply to different packets. How about:
"The server SHOULD drop newer packets for this connection that are received on the old IP address. The server MAY continue to process older delayed packets that are received on the old IP address."

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4602#discussion_r553086333">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  An endpoint SHOULD copy the error code from the STOP_SENDING frame to the
-RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but MAY use any application error code.  An
+RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but can use any application error code.  An
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<p>Drop the "but can..." -- it's not necessary</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4602#discussion_r553087700">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  IP address.  It SHOULD drop packets for this connection received on the old IP
-address, but MAY continue to process delayed packets.
+address, but can continue to process delayed packets.
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<p>This is badly written -- the SHOULD and the MAY apply to different packets. How about:<br>
"The server SHOULD drop newer packets for this connection that are received on the old IP address. The server MAY continue to process older delayed packets that are received on the old IP address."</p>

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>  IP address.  It SHOULD drop packets for this connection received on the old IP
-address, but MAY continue to process delayed packets.
+address, but can continue to process delayed packets.

Please make a separate issue and pull request for this.  I agree that this is a better formulation.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4602#discussion_r553088692">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  IP address.  It SHOULD drop packets for this connection received on the old IP
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CLoses #4623.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4681

-- Commit Summary --

  * Large enough is large enough

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4623.">CLoses</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780951582" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4623" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4623/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4623">#4623</a>.</p>

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This text critically depends on that definition, so it is my opinion that the repetition is helpful here.

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>  An endpoint SHOULD copy the error code from the STOP_SENDING frame to the
-RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but MAY use any application error code.  An
+RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but can use any application error code.  An

My point here is that removing the MAY is ok, but the semantics are different. "can" is a statement of fact, and it's not necessary to say that an an endpoint _can_ send any error code in addition to what it SHOULD do. Though I don't feel strongly.

If the can is to be retained, I'd suggest flipping the primary and secondary clauses -- "can use any error code, but SHOULD copy"

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4602#discussion_r553090955">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  An endpoint SHOULD copy the error code from the STOP_SENDING frame to the
-RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but MAY use any application error code.  An
+RESET_STREAM frame it sends, but can use any application error code.  An
</pre>
<p>My point here is that removing the MAY is ok, but the semantics are different. "can" is a statement of fact, and it's not necessary to say that an an endpoint <em>can</em> send any error code in addition to what it SHOULD do. Though I don't feel strongly.</p>
<p>If the can is to be retained, I'd suggest flipping the primary and secondary clauses -- "can use any error code, but SHOULD copy"</p>

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We don't have prohibitions on any frame type in 0-RTT as opposed to 1-RTT.  Those things that can't appear in 0-RTT can't because they are only sent in response to other activity.

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<p>We don't have prohibitions on any frame type in 0-RTT as opposed to 1-RTT.  Those things that can't appear in 0-RTT can't because they are only sent in response to other activity.</p>
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I'm fine with closing with no-change here.  Though I do note that the local definition does not mention IP version and the document-scope definition does.

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<p>I'm fine with closing with no-change here.  Though I do note that the local definition does not mention IP version and the document-scope definition does.</p>

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Well, we should handle things consistently in Table 3 whichever way we want to call it.  Right now the table says "no-0-RTT" for ACK and nothing else, and I don't see how the situation for ACK is fundamentally different than for at least PATH_RESPONSE if not others.

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<p>Well, we should handle things consistently in Table 3 whichever way we want to call it.  Right now the table says "no-0-RTT" for ACK and nothing else, and I don't see how the situation for ACK is fundamentally different than for at least PATH_RESPONSE if not others.</p>

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It isn't so much in conflict, but an exception or qualification.

I don't want to make a change in response to this comment.



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<p>It isn't so much in conflict, but an exception or qualification.</p>
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At a high level, I'm ok with the editorial changes, but I'd like to push back against the changes to variable and field names at a minimum. We've had a lot of eyes go over this so far, and changing names risks introducing inconsistencies or omissions that we can't afford to do at this late stage.

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At a high level, I'm ok with the editorial changes, but I'd like to push back against the changes to variable and field names at a minimum. We've had a lot of eyes go over this so far, and changing names risks introducing inconsistencies or omissions that we can't afford to do at this late stage.





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I believe that this point is adequately addressed in the paragraph that follows.  While we have generally tried to ensure that every sentence can be read out of context, this is not a case that I believe needs to be fixed in that way.

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Yes, it is safe.  This is what our stack does right now.  We don't use stateless reset.

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Yep, it is a little unexpected, but that's what the document says and I don't see a good way to avoid that without making everything worse.

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<p>Yep, it is a little unexpected, but that's what the document says and I don't see a good way to avoid that without making everything worse.</p>

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My opinion is that the introductory text makes that clear enough and would prefer not to change anything here.

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<p>My opinion is that the introductory text makes that clear enough and would prefer not to change anything here.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/this-version-is-1
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9ef8b239ec9a4937c16d54796c15704986e3f195
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  not a number

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  We don't need to give permission, it's just not an error

Closes #4562.


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  Merge pull request #4603 from quicwg/not-an-error-not-permission

We don't need to give permission, it's just not an error


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  Be more precise about "once completed"

Closes #4563.


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Be more precise about "once completed"


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 79a85ae3f0d9aa831dc7ecc5ac87e54f26d64a13
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/79a85ae3f0d9aa831dc7ecc5ac87e54f26d64a13
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md

  Log Message:
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  Make the abstract more definitive

This reconciles the abstract with the content

Closes #4547.


  Commit: b926d17a09102f1b78a4f1d05e82f7dac62bebc0
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4601 from quicwg/definitive-abstract

Make the abstract more definitive


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/2698eb121aac...b926d17a0910


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  Use SHOULD .. can rather than MAY

Closes #4559.


  Commit: 71dbdfc67d5f416688e58769b5e01ab1c431e53d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/71dbdfc67d5f416688e58769b5e01ab1c431e53d
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Merge pull request #4602 from quicwg/should-can

Use SHOULD .. can rather than MAY


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/b926d17a0910...71dbdfc67d5f


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> @@ -2179,11 +2179,12 @@ amplification attack.
 Attackers could replay tokens to use servers as amplifiers in DDoS attacks. To
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 prevented or limited. Servers SHOULD ensure that tokens sent in Retry packets
-are only accepted for a short time. Tokens that are provided in NEW_TOKEN frames
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-multiple times in a short period. Servers are encouraged to allow tokens to be
-used only once, if possible; tokens MAY include additional information about
-clients to further narrow applicability or reuse.
+are only accepted for a short time, as they are retuned immediately by clients.

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I think that's an oops.  I'll cut that.  It's just the PRF part we need.

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Follow up to #4602.
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  * Server processing packets on IP change: editorial

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (5)

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<p>Follow up to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780924238" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4602" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4602/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4602">#4602</a>.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Much more precise, thanks.

> @@ -2700,8 +2700,9 @@ This helps to guard against spurious migration initiated by an attacker.
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-IP address.  It SHOULD drop packets for this connection received on the old IP
-address, but can continue to process delayed packets.
+IP address. The server SHOULD drop newer packets for this connection that are
+received on the old IP address. The server MAY continue to process older delayed

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The second iteration piece is cruft and confusing.

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<p>The second iteration piece is cruft and confusing.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4636.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780966867" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4636" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4636/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4636">#4636</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Transport calls these 4 bits Unused

So -tls should too.

Closes #4496.


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  Merge pull request #4575 from quicwg/retry-unused-bits

Transport calls these 4 bits Unused


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  Normative language for sampling ciphertext

Though people will undoubtedly rely on pseudocode to understand this,
there is no reason why we can't also use prose.

Closes #4492.


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Normative language for sampling ciphertext


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Explain how long Retry tokens need to be valid

They only need to be good for one RTT.  Of course, the server doesn't
really know what the RTT is, so this isn't something firm, and I don't
want to explain ALL of that, but this should do.

Closes #4565.


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  retuning means something else


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  Merge pull request #4605 from quicwg/retry-token-validity

Explain how long Retry tokens need to be valid


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1ccef189e5af...b3f6d96a3d48


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This is a misunderstanding.  0-RTT is not a packet number space.  0-RTT packets are sent in the same packet number space as 1-RTT.

As our prohibitions on frame usage are by packet number space and not packet type (or encryption level, same thing), we don't expressly prohibit these frames from 0-RTT.  Some are impossible though, even if they aren't prohibited.

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<p>This is a misunderstanding.  0-RTT is not a packet number space.  0-RTT packets are sent in the same packet number space as 1-RTT.</p>
<p>As our prohibitions on frame usage are by packet number space and not packet type (or encryption level, same thing), we don't expressly prohibit these frames from 0-RTT.  Some are impossible though, even if they aren't prohibited.</p>

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Recovery defines this concept.  Out of order is "not the next expected packet".  But this is not something that needs to be precise, as it is made in support of a general statement, not one with normative force.

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<p>Recovery defines this concept.  Out of order is "not the next expected packet".  But this is not something that needs to be precise, as it is made in support of a general statement, not one with normative force.</p>
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> +A successful response to a PATH_CHALLENGE frame sent in a datagram that was not
+expanded to at least 1200 bytes validates the peer address, but it does not
+validate the path MTU. The endpoint is then able to send more than three times
+the amount of data that has been received. However, the endpoint MUST initiate
+another path validation with an expanded datagram to verify that the path
+supports required MTU.

```suggestion
If an endpoint sends a PATH_CHALLENGE frame in a datagram that is not expanded
to at least 1200 bytes, and if the response to it validates the peer address,
that path is validated but not the path MTU. As a result, the endpoint can now
send more than three times the amount of data that has been received but it MUST
initiate another path validation with an expanded datagram to verify that the
path supports required MTU.
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  Branch: refs/heads/only-address-valid
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 9df89b574f8145acc092cbd1adc41225566c9acd
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9df89b574f8145acc092cbd1adc41225566c9acd
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Better.

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The length field is not encrypted.

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This is to address the implication that max_ack_delay is a limit on the value of the field, as opposed to what it is (which is several things that are quite subtle and addressed well in -recovery, so I won't repeat them).

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<p>This is to address the implication that max_ack_delay is a limit on the value of the field, as opposed to what it is (which is several things that are quite subtle and addressed well in -recovery, so I won't repeat them).</p>
<p>No action proposed here.</p>

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This was definitely odd.  Let's take another tilt at making it
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Closes #4513.


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> +be identified as being for the same connection without cooperation from an
+endpoint; see {{migration-linkability}}.

```suggestion
be identified by an observer as being for the same connection without
cooperation from an endpoint; see {{migration-linkability}}.
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Format of IPv6 addresses


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This particular choice has not a lot to do with QUIC and would therefore bring in a lot of non-sequitur references, but a single sentence won't hurt.  It has to be repeated, which is gross, but I can live with that.

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Closes #4641.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4641.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780967722" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4641" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4641/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4641">#4641</a>.</p>

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I think that the unguessable requirement is sufficient.

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<p>I think that the unguessable requirement is sufficient.</p>

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Yes, a server might send many Retry packets.  We don't require that the connection ID be the same though.  Our defense there is  that the client will only process one Retry.

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<p>Yes, a server might send many Retry packets.  We don't require that the connection ID be the same though.  Our defense there is  that the client will only process one Retry.</p>
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  Stateless reset just needs a PRF

The second iteration piece is cruft and confusing.

Closes #4636.


  Commit: de702edba582cbc8ed699e75dc8dbcdcbb950858
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/de702edba582cbc8ed699e75dc8dbcdcbb950858
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Merge pull request #4683 from quicwg/cut-second-iteration

Stateless reset just needs a PRF


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/e4dc2e84ffba...de702edba582


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Closes #4528.


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  Merge pull request #4586 from quicwg/multi-cid

Explain why multiple connection IDs


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CLoses #4623.


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Large enough is large enough


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I made some proposed tweaks in my local copy as I was doing my IESG review.  There&#39;s a couple places where I&#39;m not sure if it is actually editorial or the proposal actually changes the meaning (and thus should be rejected).
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<p>I made some proposed tweaks in my local copy as I was doing my IESG review.  There's a couple places where I'm not sure if it is actually editorial or the proposal actually changes the meaning (and thus should be rejected).</p>

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  <li>kaduk/iesg-evaluation</li>
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It isn't necessary that the value be stable for any property we rely on, but keeping it stable allows some implementation shortcuts for servers (and avoids problems that might arise from the Initial growing by more than the server expects, for instance).

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So just reference that as fact instead.

Closes #4622.


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As it says there, sending.

Virtually nothing of value is tied to the processing of acknowledgments; RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID doesn't depend on that.  ACK is for ensuring that we can recover from loss and almost nothing more (logic relying on largest acknowledged is the one exception).

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<p>As it says there, sending.</p>
<p>Virtually nothing of value is tied to the processing of acknowledgments; RETIRE_CONNECTION_ID doesn't depend on that.  ACK is for ensuring that we can recover from loss and almost nothing more (logic relying on largest acknowledged is the one exception).</p>

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Closes #4621.


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  Merge pull request #4629 from quicwg/can-discard-new-token

Clients don't need permission to discard NEW_TOKEN


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> @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a

(if it's "estimated", then it's not "is")

> @@ -767,7 +768,7 @@ initial RTT estimate.
 
 ## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
 
-When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
+When packet protection keys are discarded from an entire encryption level (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),

I believe that we refer to the 1-RTT key update procedure as "discarding" the old generation of keys.  My understanding is that the loss of recovery state described here does not apply to 1-RTT key update.

> @@ -1433,7 +1437,7 @@ UpdateRtt(ack_delay):
   // min_rtt ignores acknowledgment delay.
   min_rtt = min(min_rtt, latest_rtt)
   // Limit ack_delay by max_ack_delay after handshake
-  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is 0 for
+  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is clamped to 0 for

ack_delay is an input to this function, and I didn't remember any external constraint that the provided function argument would be zero in this case.

> @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
     loss_detection_timer.cancel()
     return
 
-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.

stale comment?

> @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
   // Enter recovery period.
   congestion_recovery_start_time = now()
-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
+  ssthresh = congestion_window * (1 - kLossReductionFactor)

I tried to triple check this, but there is not much to compare against.
If the loss reduction factor is supposed to indicate the amount of **reduction**, we need this change.  When the value is 0.5 it doesn't matter, of course...

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553128733">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint&#39;s RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
</pre>
<p>(if it's "estimated", then it's not "is")</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553128975">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -767,7 +768,7 @@ initial RTT estimate.
 
 ## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
 
-When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
+When packet protection keys are discarded from an entire encryption level (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
</pre>
<p>I believe that we refer to the 1-RTT key update procedure as "discarding" the old generation of keys.  My understanding is that the loss of recovery state described here does not apply to 1-RTT key update.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553129205">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1433,7 +1437,7 @@ UpdateRtt(ack_delay):
   // min_rtt ignores acknowledgment delay.
   min_rtt = min(min_rtt, latest_rtt)
   // Limit ack_delay by max_ack_delay after handshake
-  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is 0 for
+  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is clamped to 0 for
</pre>
<p>ack_delay is an input to this function, and I didn't remember any external constraint that the provided function argument would be zero in this case.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553129245">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
     loss_detection_timer.cancel()
     return
 
-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.
</pre>
<p>stale comment?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553129490">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
   // Enter recovery period.
   congestion_recovery_start_time = now()
-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
+  ssthresh = congestion_window * (1 - kLossReductionFactor)
</pre>
<p>I tried to triple check this, but there is not much to compare against.<br>
If the loss reduction factor is supposed to indicate the amount of <strong>reduction</strong>, we need this change.  When the value is 0.5 it doesn't matter, of course...</p>

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Closes #4613.


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I hope not.  How can we qualify this to avoid any implication that it does?

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<p>I hope not.  How can we qualify this to avoid any implication that it does?</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2269e98d880ee07d31fcc7b14e5b4e17ed99626b
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Remove Peer Creates transition to Ready

This isn't necessary, and removing it makes it smaller.

Closes #4611.


  Commit: 6f3a879fbdc2b3a8de0f2017eef8fa6912c1a3dc
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

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  Merge pull request #4627 from quicwg/peer-creates-ready

Remove Peer Creates transition to Ready


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/677908b50aec...6f3a879fbdc2


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and the 20-byte overhead too.

(If this is superseded, that's cool.  Low hanging fruit...)

Closes #4592.


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  The subject is the packet

Closes #4542.


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  Merge pull request #4600 from quicwg/it-is-the-packet

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Closes #4648.
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  * Fix number agreement in TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4648.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780968770" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4648" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4648/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4648">#4648</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Fix number agreement in TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR</li>
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  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: d5faeb40af1f6dad717db7b48136c907b46504b3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d5faeb40af1f6dad717db7b48136c907b46504b3
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M .lint.py
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  TLS uses an empty quoted string for these

Unfortunately, this pushes our line length up by one.  Rather than
reformat, I've tweaked the linter.  I'm not seeing that fail and it
still allows a 3 character gutter on both sides of diagrams in the
72-column text format, but I'd appreciate it if this could be
sanity-checked.

Closes #4503.


  Commit: b5ec57e09452d440d0903a2f67fd386744480289
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4579 from quicwg/empty-quotes

TLS uses an empty quoted string for these


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/47ecb685cf0f...b5ec57e09452


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No.  I think that is said enough times already elsewhere.

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<p>No.  I think that is said enough times already elsewhere.</p>

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This is a part of #4597, so I'll leave that fixing this.

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<p>This is a part of <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780856415" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4597" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597">#4597</a>, so I'll leave that fixing this.</p>

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As Marten said.  As this is an answered question, we can close this.

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<p>As Marten said.  As this is an answered question, we can close this.</p>

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Not worth clarifying I think.

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I believe that we are perfectly OK for the handshake.  We can cite Section 8.1 (again) for this (it's the third paragraph primarily).

This is deliberately not specified other places.  Mostly because it is hard, but also because any definition would be unnecessarily constraining.  I don't agree with Fernando that this absolutely needs specification.

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<p>I believe that we are perfectly OK for the handshake.  We can cite Section 8.1 (again) for this (it's the third paragraph primarily).</p>
<p>This is deliberately not specified other places.  Mostly because it is hard, but also because any definition would be unnecessarily constraining.  I don't agree with Fernando that this absolutely needs specification.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/cite-validation-for-cid-handshake
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
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  Cite Section 8.1 for use of CID for validation

Closes #4654.



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Closes #4654.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4687

-- Commit Summary --

  * Cite Section 8.1 for use of CID for validation

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (11)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4654.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780969907" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4654" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4654/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4654">#4654</a>.</p>

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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Subsequent keys can be used as well as the next

This is a little pedantic, but it's more correct.

Also fix reference format.

Closes #4493.


  Commit: 19ec4d7c4f8e7d0b501305b37816006f42b0ffff
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  Merge pull request #4573 from quicwg/next-subsequent-potato-tomato

Subsequent keys can be used as well as the next


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: c1d8a188cd8a769a79cac0479ade139684dd08d5
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c1d8a188cd8a769a79cac0479ade139684dd08d5
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Cite 8.1 of -transport for Initial padding

Closes #4483.


  Commit: 124295b21db89cf4a7801d9371e586f516e6feb1
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/124295b21db89cf4a7801d9371e586f516e6feb1
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  Cite 14.1 instead of 8.1

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  Commit: 44cbd2f9d791025d5f3d4f913a5166ded33eff1a
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  Merge pull request #4569 from quicwg/no-tls-pad

Cite 14.1 of -transport for Initial padding


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/19ec4d7c4f8e...44cbd2f9d791


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

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  0-RTT is possible without prior communication

Though I guess provisioning of a PSK depends on prior communication of a
sort, there is no need to be so absolute here.

Closes #4478.


  Commit: 443bcc38bc1bcca8d863b58c9dc57531a87c8f07
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  used is good

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


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  Merge pull request #4549 from quicwg/0rtt-not-only-resumed

0-RTT is possible without prior communication


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/44cbd2f9d791...3d8a6d740e99


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> @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 "quic hp" label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both "quic key" and "quic hp" are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with "quic iv"
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.

So that was my rationale: no one can sneak in an AEAD with `N_MIN < 8`.   At that point we can deal with it.  One way we might decide to deal with it is to limit the maximum packet number to `256^N_MIN`, assuming we really want that AEAD.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571#discussion_r553139882">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 &quot;quic hp&quot; label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both &quot;quic key&quot; and &quot;quic hp&quot; are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with &quot;quic iv&quot;
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.
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<p>So that was my rationale: no one can sneak in an AEAD with <code>N_MIN &lt; 8</code>.   At that point we can deal with it.  One way we might decide to deal with it is to limit the maximum packet number to <code>256^N_MIN</code>, assuming we really want that AEAD.</p>

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I guess we were missing future tense, which would have made this sentence really fun.



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<p>I guess we were missing future tense, which would have made this sentence really fun.</p>

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  Fix number agreement in TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR

Closes #4648.


  Commit: d7c46d7f2c0a705c3f73bdd568984c91e8705b3f
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  Merge pull request #4686 from quicwg/transport-parameter-agreement

Fix number agreement in TRANSPORT_PARAMETER_ERROR


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I feel confident in leaving that to accompanying documents or follow-up work.

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<p>I feel confident in leaving that to accompanying documents or follow-up work.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: bbe48aca03668f116448f063d9dc9dd75750ac76
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/bbe48aca03668f116448f063d9dc9dd75750ac76
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  This is an example for illustration purposes

Ben observed that this might be at odds with the definition of the
interface.  This is true, but the illustrative value of the current
structure is valuable.  More text on that might help.

Closes #4482.


  Commit: 91116adf4848cb7d48448659e99ff08b63938d82
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  Merge pull request #4567 from quicwg/its-an-illustration

This is an example for illustration purposes


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And replace it with explanatory language about encryption levels and
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the referenced text to -transport.

Closes #4480.


  Commit: 045eaa375d6da340e4abc35935d214fc75a2f953
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

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  Add Handshake Confirmed to the TLS interface

Though this doesn't really need to be shown here to illustrate the
interface between the stack components, the state is defined in this
section, so it makes sense to show it.  For completeness, if nothing
else (or is it confirmedness?).

Originally raised in #4480.


  Commit: f4dc3e296b3b434e7556913b5bb030db437212cf
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  Merge pull request #4568 from quicwg/tls-interface-confirmed

Add Handshake Confirmed to the TLS interface


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ca0f48a02ced...f4dc3e296b3b


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  It is important to agree on who authenticates

Important enough to call out in this section.

Closes #4479.


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  such as

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  Merge pull request #4553 from quicwg/who-authenticates

It is important to agree on who authenticates


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> At a high level, I'm ok with the editorial changes, but I'd like to push back against the changes to variable and field names at a minimum. We've had a lot of eyes go over this so far, and changing names risks introducing inconsistencies or omissions that we can't afford to do at this late stage.

Just to check: this is basically just the `sample`->`sampled_bytes` change?
The immediate impetus for that proposal is from the way this chunk renders in the text version:

```
   Header protection uses the output of the packet
   protection AEAD to derive "sample", and then encrypts the header
   field using a pseudorandom function (PRF) as follows:
```

In the HTML and PDF formats there's different formatting, but this one makes it look like the quotes are surrounding the literal output of the derivation process, as opposed to a name for the output of the derivation process. 

That issue could probably be avoided with just a local rewording in this one instance (though I do think that "sampled_bytes" is an objectively better name for what it is).

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<p>At a high level, I'm ok with the editorial changes, but I'd like to push back against the changes to variable and field names at a minimum. We've had a lot of eyes go over this so far, and changing names risks introducing inconsistencies or omissions that we can't afford to do at this late stage.</p>
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<p>Just to check: this is basically just the <code>sample</code>-&gt;<code>sampled_bytes</code> change?<br>
The immediate impetus for that proposal is from the way this chunk renders in the text version:</p>
<pre><code>   Header protection uses the output of the packet
   protection AEAD to derive "sample", and then encrypts the header
   field using a pseudorandom function (PRF) as follows:
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<p>In the HTML and PDF formats there's different formatting, but this one makes it look like the quotes are surrounding the literal output of the derivation process, as opposed to a name for the output of the derivation process.</p>
<p>That issue could probably be avoided with just a local rewording in this one instance (though I do think that "sampled_bytes" is an objectively better name for what it is).</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/a-little-on-the-side
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Use established terminology

This might conflict, but I think it supersedes the other "off-path"
tweaks.

Closes #4658.



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This might conflict, but I think it supersedes the other &quot;off-path&quot;
tweaks.

Closes #4658.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4688

-- Commit Summary --

  * Use established terminology

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p>This might conflict, but I think it supersedes the other "off-path"<br>
tweaks.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4658.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780970465" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4658" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4658/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4658">#4658</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Use established terminology</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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> @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 "quic hp" label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both "quic key" and "quic hp" are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with "quic iv"
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.

@martinthomson
> no one can sneak in an AEAD with `N_MIN < 8`

I think the correct argument is "no one can sneak in an AEAD with `N_MAX < 8`"? RFC 8446 states that (which I think is correct), and to support cipher suites that are `N_MIN < 8 && N_MAX >= 8`, it says that the AEAD nonce size is `max(N_MIN, 8)`.

I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to follow that.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571#discussion_r553142920">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 &quot;quic hp&quot; label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both &quot;quic key&quot; and &quot;quic hp&quot; are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with &quot;quic iv&quot;
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.
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<p>no one can sneak in an AEAD with <code>N_MIN &lt; 8</code></p>
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<p>I think the correct argument is "no one can sneak in an AEAD with <code>N_MAX &lt; 8</code>"? RFC 8446 states that (which I think is correct), and to support cipher suites that are <code>N_MIN &lt; 8 &amp;&amp; N_MAX &gt;= 8</code>, it says that the AEAD nonce size is <code>max(N_MIN, 8)</code>.</p>
<p>I think it's perfectly reasonable for us to follow that.</p>

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The tradeoff exists; I don't think there is a specific suggestion here in the text. And I don't think this issue makes a suggestion of the text, does it?

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<p>The tradeoff exists; I don't think there is a specific suggestion here in the text. And I don't think this issue makes a suggestion of the text, does it?</p>

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Yes, the client address is under client control (especially if you consider spoofing).

This is talking about ideals.  Reality won't be, probably.

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  Branch: refs/heads/tp-disables-eoed
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  The transport parameter removes EOED

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As agreed via mail.

Closes #4475.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4689

-- Commit Summary --

  * The transport parameter removes EOED

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (3)

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<p>As agreed via mail.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4475.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779907730" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4475" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4475/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4475">#4475</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>The transport parameter removes EOED</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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No need for a SHOULD here.

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<p>No need for a SHOULD here.</p>
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> Just to check: this is basically just the sample->sampled_bytes change?

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Use established terminology

This might conflict, but I think it supersedes the other "off-path"
tweaks.

Closes #4658.


  Commit: 830a597117b904a53dceaed8e1b195f8e48a1083
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  Merge pull request #4688 from quicwg/a-little-on-the-side

Use established terminology


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/efbd4f85a057...830a597117b9


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Closed #4658 via #4688.

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Given that key rotation is a table stakes, and all server deployments already do this, I don't think we need to discuss it in this document.

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<p>Given that key rotation is a table stakes, and all server deployments already do this, I don't think we need to discuss it in this document.</p>

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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

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> @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 "quic hp" label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both "quic key" and "quic hp" are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with "quic iv"
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571#discussion_r553148468">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -937,6 +941,12 @@ Initialization Vector (IV); see {{aead}}.  The header protection key uses the
 &quot;quic hp&quot; label; see {{header-protect}}.  Using these labels provides key
 separation between QUIC and TLS; see {{key-diversity}}.
 
+Both &quot;quic key&quot; and &quot;quic hp&quot; are used to produce keys, so the Length provided
+to HKDF-Expand-Label along with these labels is determined by the size of keys
+in the AEAD or header protection algorithm. The Length provided with &quot;quic iv&quot;
+is the length of the AEAD nonce, specifically N_MAX, though the value of N_MIN
+is the same for the AEAD algorithms that can be used; see {{!AEAD}}.
</pre>
<p>OK, that's good enough for me.  I don't like it, but the "can't sneak one in" still applies.</p>

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  Define Context and Length inputs to HKDF-Expand-Label

Closes #4489.


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  Merge pull request #4571 from quicwg/hkdf-expand-label-context

Define Context and Length inputs to HKDF-Expand-Label


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Merged #4571 into master.

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<p>Merged <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780064575" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4571" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4571">#4571</a> into master.</p>

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I'll add that this doesn't ignore those points. As @martinthomson says, it notes what the ideal is... we don't have any control over how folks deploy their load balancers, and we don't have good recommendations in place here besides noting the pitfalls.

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<p>I'll add that this doesn't ignore those points. As <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> says, it notes what the ideal is... we don't have any control over how folks deploy their load balancers, and we don't have good recommendations in place here besides noting the pitfalls.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

Murray might have more choice words.



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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: da92791edf17f8974b0bd4b426671c3e6df9fcfc
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/da92791edf17f8974b0bd4b426671c3e6df9fcfc
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  As Murray says, it just ends

No need for a SHOULD here.

(No issue yet.)


  Commit: d48f251047a7de8ff4e409e9415474849bee34b1
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

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  Merge pull request #4690 from quicwg/should-end-ends

As Murray says, it just ends


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Also, I don't think UDP is invariant. QUIC is designed with the facilities of UDP in mind, however one can define how to run QUIC over other datagram providing lower layers. One simply have to discuss how to identify each datagram carrying a QUIC packet, identify paths and path changes as well as any support for service demultiplexing if needed. QUICs strong integrity protection makes the whole checksum mostly irrelevant.

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<p>Also, I don't think UDP is invariant. QUIC is designed with the facilities of UDP in mind, however one can define how to run QUIC over other datagram providing lower layers. One simply have to discuss how to identify each datagram carrying a QUIC packet, identify paths and path changes as well as any support for service demultiplexing if needed. QUICs strong integrity protection makes the whole checksum mostly irrelevant.</p>

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I did respond to Eric with the following: 

I thought the buffering and forwarding behaviors of the network devices is primarily an IP + DSCP dependent thing, not really taking the upper layer protocol into account. And for QUIC that identification chain where it is explicit stops with UDP. For a third party seeing an IP/UDP packets where the few bits that can be used to idenitify it as QUIC packet is no guarantee for it being QUIC. If you are flow aware and happens to see the long header packets you might have higher confidence that this is QUIC and not something else. 

But my perspective is that IP packet buffering has been done to what suits TCP well with significant downside to other protocols being carried over IP unless an DSCP has been used to request a different forwarding behavior and possibly thus a different buffering scheme. 

However, I think the buffering and forwarding behavior should not be QUIC specific in anyway. I think it is also dependent on the applicaiton(s) being run over QUIC. For example a background bulk download service may use quic but want to run in scavenger class and with a congestion control behavior that attempts to avoid building any queues (Ledbat style). While another application might be a highly latency sensitive real-time application that would prefer L4S style behavior and a corresponding congestion control. 

Thus, I don't think it is on QUIC level we should define buffering and forwarding behaviors, they should be defined more for IP level so that it can be  independent from the protocol. 

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<p>I did respond to Eric with the following:</p>
<p>I thought the buffering and forwarding behaviors of the network devices is primarily an IP + DSCP dependent thing, not really taking the upper layer protocol into account. And for QUIC that identification chain where it is explicit stops with UDP. For a third party seeing an IP/UDP packets where the few bits that can be used to idenitify it as QUIC packet is no guarantee for it being QUIC. If you are flow aware and happens to see the long header packets you might have higher confidence that this is QUIC and not something else.</p>
<p>But my perspective is that IP packet buffering has been done to what suits TCP well with significant downside to other protocols being carried over IP unless an DSCP has been used to request a different forwarding behavior and possibly thus a different buffering scheme.</p>
<p>However, I think the buffering and forwarding behavior should not be QUIC specific in anyway. I think it is also dependent on the applicaiton(s) being run over QUIC. For example a background bulk download service may use quic but want to run in scavenger class and with a congestion control behavior that attempts to avoid building any queues (Ledbat style). While another application might be a highly latency sensitive real-time application that would prefer L4S style behavior and a corresponding congestion control.</p>
<p>Thus, I don't think it is on QUIC level we should define buffering and forwarding behaviors, they should be defined more for IP level so that it can be  independent from the protocol.</p>
<p>Interested to determine if you have more input on these aspects?</p>

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> @@ -4636,10 +4636,8 @@ Version Negotiation Packet {
 ~~~
 {: #version-negotiation-format title="Version Negotiation Packet"}
 
-The value in the Unused field is selected randomly by the server.  Clients MUST
-ignore the value of this field.  Servers SHOULD set the most significant bit of
-this field (0x40) to 1 so that Version Negotiation packets appear to have the
-Fixed Bit field.
+The value in the Unused field is set to an arbitrary value by the server.

I guess it would make sense to note that this bit can not be assumptned to be 1 for VN packets also earlier in the document as the section on long header packets says: 

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The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value for this bit are not valid packets in this version and MUST be discarded.
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471#discussion_r553294572">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4636,10 +4636,8 @@ Version Negotiation Packet {
 ~~~
 {: #version-negotiation-format title=&quot;Version Negotiation Packet&quot;}
 
-The value in the Unused field is selected randomly by the server.  Clients MUST
-ignore the value of this field.  Servers SHOULD set the most significant bit of
-this field (0x40) to 1 so that Version Negotiation packets appear to have the
-Fixed Bit field.
+The value in the Unused field is set to an arbitrary value by the server.
</pre>
<p>I guess it would make sense to note that this bit can not be assumptned to be 1 for VN packets also earlier in the document as the section on long header packets says:</p>
<pre><code>The next bit (0x40) of byte 0 is set to 1. Packets containing a zero value for this bit are not valid packets in this version and MUST be discarded.
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These statements are not meant as normative clauses in the manageability document but rather to explain what to expect from QUIC. I recreated a PR to simply remove the "recommended" phrasing (see https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/169). I believe the "can" is still okay in this context but we can also use another phrasing here and change the listed order if that makes it more clear...?

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<p>These statements are not meant as normative clauses in the manageability document but rather to explain what to expect from QUIC. I recreated a PR to simply remove the "recommended" phrasing (see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781281083" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/issues/169" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/169/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/169">quicwg/ops-drafts#169</a>). I believe the "can" is still okay in this context but we can also use another phrasing here and change the listed order if that makes it more clear...?</p>
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Well, it's not deliberate that he has trouble parsing it, so I don't think that's the right way to justify a no-action.  This is an editorial comment.  Something like "QUIC authenticates all packets; as much of each packet as practical is also encrypted." would make the same statement with less possibility of misunderstanding.

As a native speaker, I don't find the current text confusing, but I also realize that our audience includes those from different backgrounds; I'm not opposed to making an editorial change here.

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<p>Well, it's not deliberate that he has trouble parsing it, so I don't think that's the right way to justify a no-action.  This is an editorial comment.  Something like "QUIC authenticates all packets; as much of each packet as practical is also encrypted." would make the same statement with less possibility of misunderstanding.</p>
<p>As a native speaker, I don't find the current text confusing, but I also realize that our audience includes those from different backgrounds; I'm not opposed to making an editorial change here.</p>

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I don't get this.  The following text seems abundantly clear:

> When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, and MUST ignore any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that endpoints set the spin bit to a random value either chosen independently for each packet or chosen independently for each connection ID.

Or is it this?

> The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that chooses to support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.

Where we don't say that optional == disable it?  If that is all, I'm going to hold my tongue.

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<p>Or is it this?</p>
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<p>Where we don't say that optional == disable it?  If that is all, I'm going to hold my tongue.</p>

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Thanks Gorry, I had read the paper, but lost the link.

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<p>Thanks Gorry, I had read the paper, but lost the link.</p>

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On this, I disagree.  QUIC defines UDP as an invariant.  Porting QUIC to run on another protocol (e.g., MASQUE) makes it not-QUIC or like-QUIC.  Maybe this should have been more clearly stated then, as this is my understanding of the consensus of the working group.

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<p>On this, I disagree.  QUIC defines UDP as an invariant.  Porting QUIC to run on another protocol (e.g., MASQUE) makes it not-QUIC or like-QUIC.  Maybe this should have been more clearly stated then, as this is my understanding of the consensus of the working group.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 435242e9d6b56b1680d071366c74297de500fa1e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/435242e9d6b56b1680d071366c74297de500fa1e
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  The note about AEAD limits is not needed

We changed the limits listed here to be based on the maximum packet
size, so the note a few paragraphs up citing the appendix is all we need
here.

Closes #4500.


  Commit: 5f12eb5e379a44b51b926edd317a6744d446dc56
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5f12eb5e379a44b51b926edd317a6744d446dc56
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4578 from quicwg/higher-limits-if-smaller

The note about AEAD limits is not needed


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Merged #4578 into master.

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Closed #4500 via #4578.

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Agreed, but it may be worth a note in security considerations relating to how API's are designed.

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<p>Agreed, but it may be worth a note in security considerations relating to how API's are designed.</p>

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There was a lengthy discussion about whether QUIC could run over something besides UDP on the mailing list a while back, and it was pretty clear it was out of scope for v1.

I believe people will want to run QUIC over things besides UDP, but I don't think that will happen immediately and I believe that will require new drafts with the appropriate updates.  I'm happy to do that in the future when we understand the non-UDP use cases for QUIC better.

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<p>There was a lengthy discussion about whether QUIC could run over something besides UDP on the mailing list a while back, and it was pretty clear it was out of scope for v1.</p>
<p>I believe people will want to run QUIC over things besides UDP, but I don't think that will happen immediately and I believe that will require new drafts with the appropriate updates.  I'm happy to do that in the future when we understand the non-UDP use cases for QUIC better.</p>

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  Clean up Retry Service Text

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> @@ -209,9 +209,9 @@ multiple round trips.
 
 ## No Reneging
 
-QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK, but QUIC does not
-allow any acknowledged packet to be reneged, greatly simplifying implementations
-on both sides and reducing memory pressure on the sender.
+QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK ({{?RFC6675}}), but

Good point, Jana did that for me.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4598#discussion_r553550424">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -209,9 +209,9 @@ multiple round trips.
 
 ## No Reneging
 
-QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK, but QUIC does not
-allow any acknowledged packet to be reneged, greatly simplifying implementations
-on both sides and reducing memory pressure on the sender.
+QUIC ACKs contain information that is similar to TCP SACK ({{?RFC6675}}), but
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> -congestion window until persistent congestion ({{persistent-congestion}}) is
-declared, unlike TCP, which collapses the congestion window upon expiry of an
-RTO.  Instead of collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything
-in-flight lost, QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion
-window whenever the timer expires.
+computation; see {{?RFC6297}}.  QUIC's PTO includes the peer's maximum expected
+acknowledgment delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout.
+
+As reflected by TLP defined in RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), a single
+packet loss at the tail does not indicate persistent congestion, so QUIC does
+not collapse the congestion window when the PTO expires.  Instead of
+collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything in-flight lost, QUIC
+specifies a time-based definition to ensure one or more packets are sent prior
+to a dramatic decrease in congestion window; see {{persistent-congestion}}.
+QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion window
+whenever the timer expires.
 
 In doing this, QUIC avoids unnecessary congestion window reductions, obviating

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4596#discussion_r553579897">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -congestion window until persistent congestion ({{persistent-congestion}}) is
-declared, unlike TCP, which collapses the congestion window upon expiry of an
-RTO.  Instead of collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything
-in-flight lost, QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion
-window whenever the timer expires.
+computation; see {{?RFC6297}}.  QUIC&#39;s PTO includes the peer&#39;s maximum expected
+acknowledgment delay instead of using a fixed minimum timeout.
+
+As reflected by TLP defined in RACK ({{?RACK=I-D.ietf-tcpm-rack}}), a single
+packet loss at the tail does not indicate persistent congestion, so QUIC does
+not collapse the congestion window when the PTO expires.  Instead of
+collapsing the congestion window and declaring everything in-flight lost, QUIC
+specifies a time-based definition to ensure one or more packets are sent prior
+to a dramatic decrease in congestion window; see {{persistent-congestion}}.
+QUIC allows probe packets to temporarily exceed the congestion window
+whenever the timer expires.
 
 In doing this, QUIC avoids unnecessary congestion window reductions, obviating
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> @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
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-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553583360">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
     loss_detection_timer.cancel()
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-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.
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> @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
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-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.

Do you want me to be making updates to the PR, or can you take care of anything that's needed?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553585099">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/transport/wilton1
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  Changed paths:
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> @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
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-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.

I'm happy to do it.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553586990">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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Fixes #4666.
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  * Not implemented == disabled

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4666.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780981440" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4666" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4666/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4666">#4666</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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> @@ -1526,7 +1530,7 @@ SetLossDetectionTimer():
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-  // Determine which PN space to arm PTO for.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553588221">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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> @@ -5113,6 +5113,8 @@ discussed in {{?QUIC-MANAGEABILITY=I-D.ietf-quic-manageability}}.
 
 The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that
 chooses to support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
+A QUIC stack that chooses not to support the spin bit MUST behave as if it were

Do we need to add this sentence?

> @@ -5126,7 +5128,9 @@ approximately one in eight network paths.
 When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, and
 MUST ignore any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that endpoints set the spin
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4691#discussion_r553588476">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5113,6 +5113,8 @@ discussed in {{?QUIC-MANAGEABILITY=I-D.ietf-quic-manageability}}.
 
 The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that
 chooses to support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
+A QUIC stack that chooses not to support the spin bit MUST behave as if it were
</pre>
<p>Do we need to add this sentence?</p>

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 When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, and
 MUST ignore any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that endpoints set the spin
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Also to ensure that if the functionality is removed/changed in a future version of QUIC, we're only changing the percentage of traffic that enables it versus creating something new.

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  Branch: refs/heads/transport/why_disable
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  Changed paths:
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Fixes #4472.
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  * Greater anonymity set

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (15)

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Fixes #4486.  The three points are wordy enough it might be worth making this a bulleted list, however.  Thoughts?
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  * Restructure both three things

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (13)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4486.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779916210" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4486" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4486/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4486">#4486</a>.  The three points are wordy enough it might be worth making this a bulleted list, however.  Thoughts?</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Restructure both three things</li>
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This also closes #4499, no?

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<p>This also closes <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779922705" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4499" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4499/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4499">#4499</a>, no?</p>

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Fixes #4504.
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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (5)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4504.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779925091" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4504" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4504/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4504">#4504</a>.</p>

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Competing for least-impactful PR ever....
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  * Two hyphenation fixes

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<p>Competing for least-impactful PR ever....</p>

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> Allowing arbitrary values was a largely arbitrary choice. I don't remember any point at which this was contested. We have to do something with the bytes, and so I guess we're just letting them burn.

Otherwise stated, the definition of a long-header packet defines these bits to be version-specific.  Version zero (VN) does not need these bits, and so greases them for the sake of other QUIC versions, as we have done many other places in v1.

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<p>Otherwise stated, the definition of a long-header packet defines these bits to be version-specific.  Version zero (VN) does not need these bits, and so greases them for the sake of other QUIC versions, as we have done many other places in v1.</p>

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It *might* be done by including information from VN packets in transport parameters of the eventually-selected version, so the endpoints can validate that they selected the proper version after the fact.  That's the most obvious approach.  One could also imagine dedicated frame types, something not specific to QUIC, etc.

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Yeah, presumably a v6-only client using a transition technology has some mechanism to deal with v4 addresses anyway, whether that's a way to map them to a v6 address or simply failing to transition.

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I think that would be too fine a point to be making.  It would also require a lot more text than my brief note here.

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  Branch: refs/heads/remove-should-routing
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1bf45008c082c5d791ba884e47165ef4b8749aba
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Remove routing recommendation

This was just old and needed a little bit of a refresh.

Removing the recommendation, which was counter to established views and
unnecessary.

I will let others determine whether this is editorial/design.

Closes #4453.



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This was just old and needed a little bit of a refresh.

Removing the recommendation, which was counter to established views and
unnecessary.

I will let others determine whether this is editorial/design.

Closes #4453.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4696

-- Commit Summary --

  * Remove routing recommendation

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (9)

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<p>This was just old and needed a little bit of a refresh.</p>
<p>Removing the recommendation, which was counter to established views and<br>
unnecessary.</p>
<p>I will let others determine whether this is editorial/design.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4453.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="773140159" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4453" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4453/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4453">#4453</a>.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4696'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4696</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Remove routing recommendation</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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@martinthomson requested changes on this pull request.



> @@ -5113,6 +5113,8 @@ discussed in {{?QUIC-MANAGEABILITY=I-D.ietf-quic-manageability}}.
 
 The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that
 chooses to support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
+A QUIC stack that chooses not to support the spin bit MUST behave as if it were

I have a simpler change:

> The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC.   An endpoint that does not support this feature MUST disable it, as defined below.

> @@ -5126,7 +5128,9 @@ approximately one in eight network paths.
 When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, and
 MUST ignore any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that endpoints set the spin
 bit to a random value either chosen independently for each packet or chosen
-independently for each connection ID.
+independently for each connection ID. One way to accomplish this is to adjust

No. No. No.  This does not work.  We discussed this.  It breaks the AEAD.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> requested changes on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4691#discussion_r553638334">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5113,6 +5113,8 @@ discussed in {{?QUIC-MANAGEABILITY=I-D.ietf-quic-manageability}}.
 
 The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that
 chooses to support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
+A QUIC stack that chooses not to support the spin bit MUST behave as if it were
</pre>
<p>I have a simpler change:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC.   An endpoint that does not support this feature MUST disable it, as defined below.</p>
</blockquote>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4691#discussion_r553638352">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5126,7 +5128,9 @@ approximately one in eight network paths.
 When the spin bit is disabled, endpoints MAY set the spin bit to any value, and
 MUST ignore any incoming value. It is RECOMMENDED that endpoints set the spin
 bit to a random value either chosen independently for each packet or chosen
-independently for each connection ID.
+independently for each connection ID. One way to accomplish this is to adjust
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<p>No. No. No.  This does not work.  We discussed this.  It breaks the AEAD.</p>

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Remove a sentence (apparently) about handling version negotiation packets from the section that&#39;s supposed to be about sending them.

Clarify that the handling of version negotiation packets is meant to be specified only by standards-track documents (since it is in some sense a cross-version invariant rather than version-specific behavior).  In particular, those documents will not necessarily be specifications for a future version of QUIC.

New versions of QUIC specified prior to the existence of a version negotiation mechanism are to respond to Version Negotiation packets in the same manner as v1.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Tidy up &quot;sending version negotiation packets&quot;
  * Future-proof how we cover Version Negotiation

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (22)

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<p>Remove a sentence (apparently) about handling version negotiation packets from the section that's supposed to be about sending them.</p>
<p>Clarify that the handling of version negotiation packets is meant to be specified only by standards-track documents (since it is in some sense a cross-version invariant rather than version-specific behavior).  In particular, those documents will not necessarily be specifications for a future version of QUIC.</p>
<p>New versions of QUIC specified prior to the existence of a version negotiation mechanism are to respond to Version Negotiation packets in the same manner as v1.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Tidy up &quot;sending version negotiation packets&quot;</li>
  <li>Future-proof how we cover Version Negotiation</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697/files#diff-42873df666a8ef4f18a716aaeefb1815db2d7a1935cc8d47532191f2648439cf">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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> > Just to check: this is basically just the sample->sampled_bytes change?
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Hmm, not-Handshake-Layer is basically the thing I care about the most in this PR.  That specific discussion seemed quite localized.  (The word "layer" only appears 16 times in the document, which seems feasible to exhaustively check for a "Handshake" prefix.)

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Okay, I propose close with no change.

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Thanks.  I propose close with no change.

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Thanks; close with no change sounds good.

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<p>Thanks; close with no change sounds good.</p>

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If IANA haven't already dealt with this, then you might take this up with them.  It's not a problem unique to this document and I would oppose breaking new ground regarding this topic just for this document.

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<p>If IANA haven't already dealt with this, then you might take this up with them.  It's not a problem unique to this document and I would oppose breaking new ground regarding this topic just for this document.</p>

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I had something along the lines of Mike's thought in mind; "There are multiple mechanisms available by which such authentication could occur, including using transport parameters and the TLS transcript hash to provide mutual agreement on the contents of the version negotiation packet, but no such mechanism is currently defined."

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My recollection is that they were generally trying to not have contact information on the public webpages and preferred to keep it in their private database when needed.

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<p>My recollection is that they were generally trying to not have contact information on the public webpages and preferred to keep it in their private database when needed.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

It's really tempting to note that you can just lose packets containing CRYPTO frames, which will never get acknowledged.  More generally, loss or spurious retransmissions would result in this text being technically incorrect.    Should this talk about the data contained in CRYPTO frames instead?

Other than that, I really like the phrasing.



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<p>It's really tempting to note that you can just lose packets containing CRYPTO frames, which will never get acknowledged.  More generally, loss or spurious retransmissions would result in this text being technically incorrect.    Should this talk about the data contained in CRYPTO frames instead?</p>
<p>Other than that, I really like the phrasing.</p>

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of

```suggestion
to the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of
```

@janaiyengar, @kazuho can you check this?  I think that this is correct and matches the recommendation that is cited.  3PTO is the period over which we ask endpoints to refrain from key updates.

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This seems largely OK.  I do have a couple of reservations though.

> +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.

I don't think that we need to include these last two sentences.  While we've definitely strayed into making forward-looking statements (read: predictions) about what we might do, this goes too far in my opinion.

> -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.

Why remove this?  It doesn't seem to be responsive to the concerns that the rest of the change addresses.

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<p>This seems largely OK.  I do have a couple of reservations though.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553676650">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.
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<p>I don't think that we need to include these last two sentences.  While we've definitely strayed into making forward-looking statements (read: predictions) about what we might do, this goes too far in my opinion.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553676913">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
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  Reference RACK and TLP in recovery section 4.7

Fixes #4467


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  Merge pull request #4596 from quicwg/ianswett-rack-tlp

Reference RACK and TLP in recovery section 4.7


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Not completely, but it does reduce their options.  They can ask the applicant to reconsider, but this really boils down to there being four separate registries from which applicants can request allocations, rather than a single space.

(My personal bias here in proposing this approach was to also avoid putting experts on the critical path for deployment of experiments; the process in TLS does not work well in my opinion.  Though this does ostensibly require that allocations be approved, in practice this will allow people to implement and deploy without that.  Which is what happens anyway.  Also, the use of experimental space for QUIC transport parameters is a great example of how the TLS process for experimentation is terrible.  The experimental space is a hazard very much in the RFC 6648 sense.)

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<p>Not completely, but it does reduce their options.  They can ask the applicant to reconsider, but this really boils down to there being four separate registries from which applicants can request allocations, rather than a single space.</p>
<p>(My personal bias here in proposing this approach was to also avoid putting experts on the critical path for deployment of experiments; the process in TLS does not work well in my opinion.  Though this does ostensibly require that allocations be approved, in practice this will allow people to implement and deploy without that.  Which is what happens anyway.  Also, the use of experimental space for QUIC transport parameters is a great example of how the TLS process for experimentation is terrible.  The experimental space is a hazard very much in the RFC 6648 sense.)</p>
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We might *prefer* it, but doing so could add barriers to getting things in the registry, which would be undesirable.

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<p>We might <em>prefer</em> it, but doing so could add barriers to getting things in the registry, which would be undesirable.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/informative-4086
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  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

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  RFC 4086 can be an informative reference

Closes #4664.



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Closes #4664.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4699

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  * RFC 4086 can be an informative reference

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4664.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780971296" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4664" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4664/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4664">#4664</a>.</p>

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  <li>RFC 4086 can be an informative reference</li>
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Closing as a duplicate of #4666.

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Closing as it is not relevant.

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> Perhaps indicate that a quic packet can contain multiple frames? 

Only some QUIC packets can contain frames, so doing that is hard.  As a definition, I believe that what is there is enough, and the [complete description](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-frames-and-frame-types) can be used to get the extra information needed.

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See my response to #4670.  Duplicating this issue to that.

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Closed #4671.

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Closes #4672.
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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4672.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780982872" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4672" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4672/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4672">#4672</a>.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/app-rd-rst
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  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  The application reads the Reset not the RST

Using words rather than weird acrobreviations is good.  This isn't
RESET_STREAM as we aren't really talking about the frame, but the
information it carries.

Closes #4673.



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Using words rather than weird acrobreviations is good.  This isn&#39;t
RESET_STREAM as we aren&#39;t really talking about the frame, but the
information it carries.

Closes #4673.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4701

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  * The application reads the Reset not the RST

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>Using words rather than weird acrobreviations is good.  This isn't<br>
RESET_STREAM as we aren't really talking about the frame, but the<br>
information it carries.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4673.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780982983" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4673" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4673/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4673">#4673</a>.</p>

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5f68a673807b64747f0e8a0af93ebcf204295874  Reorder bidi clause for Recv


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  Branch: refs/heads/recv-bidi-reorder
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
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  Reorder bidi clause for Recv

Closes #4674.



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Closes #4674.
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  * Reorder bidi clause for Recv

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4674.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780983141" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4674" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4674/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4674">#4674</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Reorder bidi clause for Recv</li>
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Closes #4675.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4675.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780983323" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4675" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4675/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4675">#4675</a>.</p>

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I think that this is OK without change.

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This refers to the one instance where the connection ID does need to be randomly generated; see https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-7.2-3

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<p>This refers to the one instance where the connection ID does need to be randomly generated; see <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-7.2-3" rel="nofollow">https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-7.2-3</a></p>

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The one case where non-optimal encodings are forbidden is https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-12.4-18

Otherwise, there is no restriction.  Yes, 3 can be encoded in 8 bytes.  But it is worth noting.  (I thought that we had.)

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<p>The one case where non-optimal encodings are forbidden is <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-12.4-18" rel="nofollow">https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-12.4-18</a></p>
<p>Otherwise, there is no restriction.  Yes, 3 can be encoded in 8 bytes.  But it is worth noting.  (I thought that we had.)</p>

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With one exception.

Closes #4678.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4704

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  * A minimum-length varint encoding is not mandatory

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p>With one exception.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4678.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780983818" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4678" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4678/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4678">#4678</a>.</p>

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  <li>A minimum-length varint encoding is not mandatory</li>
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It means "all of the other fields", so "rest of" is fine.  As the entire point of the document is to define what the semantics of those other fields are, this seems like it is OK without further adjustment.

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<p>It means "all of the other fields", so "rest of" is fine.  As the entire point of the document is to define what the semantics of those other fields are, this seems like it is OK without further adjustment.</p>

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So I rewrote the sentence instead.

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So I rewrote the sentence instead.

Closes #4680.
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<p>So I rewrote the sentence instead.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4680.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780984151" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4680" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4680/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4680">#4680</a>.</p>

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> @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
   // Enter recovery period.
   congestion_recovery_start_time = now()
-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
+  ssthresh = congestion_window * (1 - kLossReductionFactor)

The factor is multiplicative in cubic (0.7 there), so 1-B is likely to be problematic.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553689321">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
   // Enter recovery period.
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-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
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<p>The factor is multiplicative in cubic (0.7 there), so 1-B is likely to be problematic.</p>

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> @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a

It is if the definition of the term is an representation of an estimate, which is what it is.

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 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint&#39;s RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Fine, sure.

> @@ -2143,8 +2143,9 @@ baf4559fedba753de171fa71f50f1ce1 5d43e994ec74d748002b000302030400
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+number, the 1162-byte payload, and the 16-byte authentication tag.  The header

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number, 1162 bytes of frames, and the 16-byte authentication tag.  The header
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  Changed paths:
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  Two hyphenation fixes


  Commit: 4abcc83bf51f870b913da5ecb279fa1ecb044f13
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  Merge pull request #4695 from quicwg/num-hyphens

Two hyphenation fixes


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> @@ -2143,8 +2143,9 @@ baf4559fedba753de171fa71f50f1ce1 5d43e994ec74d748002b000302030400
 75300901100f088394c8f03e51570806 048000ffff
 ~~~
 
-The unprotected header includes the connection ID and a 4-byte packet number
-encoding for a packet number of 2:
+The unprotected header indicates a length of 1182 bytes: the 4-byte packet
+number, the 1162-byte payload, and the 16-byte authentication tag.  The header

Also, now this has a merge conflict thanks to #4695.  Use `git merge -s ours`.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4694#discussion_r553690377">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2143,8 +2143,9 @@ baf4559fedba753de171fa71f50f1ce1 5d43e994ec74d748002b000302030400
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+The unprotected header indicates a length of 1182 bytes: the 4-byte packet
+number, the 1162-byte payload, and the 16-byte authentication tag.  The header
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<p>Also, now this has a merge conflict thanks to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781633792" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4695" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4695/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4695">#4695</a>.  Use <code>git merge -s ours</code>.</p>

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I'm still reluctant to say that.

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They did not raise this as an issue in their review, and I would have expected that in case they did have concerns.

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<p>They did not raise this as an issue in their review, and I would have expected that in case they did have concerns.</p>

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> I'm not sure I understand the first two paragraphs of Section 22.1.2 
> correctly, where the assignment of the "first available codepoint in a 
> range" is described. I'm not sure what the term "range" means.

I believe that the original idea was that we privilege the first unassigned value in each range of values that has a different length encoding for varints.  But as we are also using these rules for non-varint encodings, that sort of rulemaking is likely confusing.

I'm proposing that this be made simply "first unassigned codepoint".  PR to follow.

(This will affect more than just -transport, but the text change only occurs there, so I think we're OK.)

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<p>Amanda from IANA says:</p>
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<p>I'm not sure I understand the first two paragraphs of Section 22.1.2<br>
correctly, where the assignment of the "first available codepoint in a<br>
range" is described. I'm not sure what the term "range" means.</p>
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<p>I believe that the original idea was that we privilege the first unassigned value in each range of values that has a different length encoding for varints.  But as we are also using these rules for non-varint encodings, that sort of rulemaking is likely confusing.</p>
<p>I'm proposing that this be made simply "first unassigned codepoint".  PR to follow.</p>
<p>(This will affect more than just -transport, but the text change only occurs there, so I think we're OK.)</p>

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Not sure if this is design.  It probably is.

Closes #4706.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4707

-- Commit Summary --

  * Only reserve the first unassigned codepoint

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (7)

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<p>Not sure if this is design.  It probably is.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4706.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781779749" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4706" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4706/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4706">#4706</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Only reserve the first unassigned codepoint</li>
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> +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.

I concede it was a bit speculative to say that this reflects existing consensus.  That said, there is perhaps a spectrum of options, from removing it entirely to "are expected to", "SHOULD", etc.  It sounds like you prefer just removing it entirely, to confirm?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553697252">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.
</pre>
<p>I concede it was a bit speculative to say that this reflects existing consensus.  That said, there is perhaps a spectrum of options, from removing it entirely to "are expected to", "SHOULD", etc.  It sounds like you prefer just removing it entirely, to confirm?</p>

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> -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.

It's unrelated and could easily be elided.
I read through the whole top-level section while working on this PR, and I thought this looked out of place (it's the "Remove a sentence (apparently) about handling version negotiation packets from the section that's supposed to be about sending them.").  I could be mistaken about that, though, and we can split it out if that's preferred.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553697549">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.
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<p>It's unrelated and could easily be elided.<br>
I read through the whole top-level section while working on this PR, and I thought this looked out of place (it's the "Remove a sentence (apparently) about handling version negotiation packets from the section that's supposed to be about sending them.").  I could be mistaken about that, though, and we can split it out if that's preferred.</p>

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> -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
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Please try to focus on targeted fixes.  That makes this process a lot easier to manage.

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> +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.

Yes.  I don't think that we get much value from saying anything like this, regardless of strength, simply because it is making a prediction about work that might happen in the future.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553698098">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.
</pre>
<p>Yes.  I don't think that we get much value from saying anything like this, regardless of strength, simply because it is making a prediction about work that might happen in the future.</p>

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> -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.

Before I commit another faux pas, is it preferred to force-push or push a revert commit (or something else)?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553700951">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.
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<p>Before I commit another faux pas, is it preferred to force-push or push a revert commit (or something else)?</p>

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> +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.

Fair enough.  I will wait a bit before pushing an update to effectuate that, in case others want to comment.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553701558">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +{{version-downgrade}}.  New versions of QUIC (including
+non-standards-track versions) might be specified prior to the
+availability of a version negotiation mechanism.  Until a version
+negotiation mechanism is available, new versions of QUIC MUST respond to
+Version Negotiation packets as specified above.
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> Section 5.2
> 
> > Endpoints SHOULD set the min_rtt to the newest RTT sample after
> > persistent congestion is established.  [...]
> 
> Earlier we said that min_rtt was the minimum value observed "over the
> lifetime of the path", which seems in conflict with this behavior unless
> we somehow declare that the path is re-established after a persistent
> congestion event.  Perhaps we could finesse the wording a bit in the
> former location (given that we go on to allow re-establishing (or
> refreshing) the min_rtt at other times as well)?  (Appendix A.3 might be
> affected as well, if changes are made.)
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<p>Section 5.2</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Endpoints SHOULD set the min_rtt to the newest RTT sample after<br>
persistent congestion is established.  [...]</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Earlier we said that min_rtt was the minimum value observed "over the<br>
lifetime of the path", which seems in conflict with this behavior unless<br>
we somehow declare that the path is re-established after a persistent<br>
congestion event.  Perhaps we could finesse the wording a bit in the<br>
former location (given that we go on to allow re-establishing (or<br>
refreshing) the min_rtt at other times as well)?  (Appendix A.3 might be<br>
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> Section 5.3
> 
> > After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported
> > by the peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are
> > attributed to unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as
> > scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous acknowledgements.
> 
> I don't think I understand how loss of previous acknowledgements could
> induce a peer to delay sending an ack longer than its max_ack_delay
> after an ack-eliciting packet.

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<p>After the handshake is confirmed, any acknowledgement delays reported<br>
by the peer that are greater than the peer's max_ack_delay are<br>
attributed to unintentional but potentially repeating delays, such as<br>
scheduler latency at the peer or loss of previous acknowledgements.</p>
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<p>I don't think I understand how loss of previous acknowledgements could<br>
induce a peer to delay sending an ack longer than its max_ack_delay<br>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 6.2.1
> 
> > A sender SHOULD restart its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting
> > packet is sent or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed
> > (Section 4.1.2 of [QUIC-TLS]), or when Initial or Handshake keys are
> > discarded (Section 4.9 of [QUIC-TLS]).  [...]
> 
> If I understand correctly, "handshake is confirmed" and "handshake keys
> are discarded" occur simultaneously, thus it is redundant to list both.

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<p>A sender SHOULD restart its PTO timer every time an ack-eliciting<br>
packet is sent or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed<br>
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@kaduk said


> Section 6.2.3
> 
> > Endpoints
> > that do not cease retransmitting packets in response to
> > unauthenticated data risk creating an infinite exchange of packets.
> 
> We may want to be more precise about what "unauthenticated data" means
> here, since in -transport we say that even Initial packets are
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> Section 6.2.4
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> > When a PTO timer expires, a sender MUST send at least one ack-
> > eliciting packet in the packet number space as a probe.  [...]
> > [...]
> > When the PTO timer expires, an ack-eliciting packet MUST be sent.  [...]
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> These look redundant to me (which, of course, does not necessarily mean
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> Section 7.7
> 
> > Endpoints can implement pacing as they choose.  A perfectly paced
> > sender spreads packets exactly evenly over time.  For a window-based
> > congestion controller, such as the one in this document, that rate
> > can be computed by averaging the congestion window over the round-
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> I cringed a little when I saw a rate being expressed as a unit
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> Section 8.1
> 
> I guess in some sense the observed RTT is also a signal under the
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> Appendix A
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> Should we say explicitly that '^' in the pseudocode is used to indicate
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> @@ -836,12 +836,13 @@ encryption level as the packet being acknowledged.  Thus, it is possible that
 keys for a lower encryption level are needed for a short time after keys for a
 newer encryption level are available.
 
-An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has both
-received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when
-all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer.
-However, this does not guarantee that no further packets will need to be
-received or sent at that encryption level because a peer might not have received
-all the acknowledgments necessary to reach the same state.
+An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has
+received all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level, acknowledged the packets
+containing those frames, and received acknowledgements for packets containing
+all CRYPTO frames sent for that encryption level. However, this does not

Is that so? I could receive HANDSHAKE_DONE without having received all ACKs for Handshake packets, right?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4693#discussion_r553711482">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -836,12 +836,13 @@ encryption level as the packet being acknowledged.  Thus, it is possible that
 keys for a lower encryption level are needed for a short time after keys for a
 newer encryption level are available.
 
-An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has both
-received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when
-all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer.
-However, this does not guarantee that no further packets will need to be
-received or sent at that encryption level because a peer might not have received
-all the acknowledgments necessary to reach the same state.
+An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has
+received all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level, acknowledged the packets
+containing those frames, and received acknowledgements for packets containing
+all CRYPTO frames sent for that encryption level. However, this does not
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<p>Is that so? I could receive HANDSHAKE_DONE without having received all ACKs for Handshake packets, right?</p>

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@royfielding has created https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/654 on http-core Semantics draft, which describes how the term "payload" is overloaded when considered with the H2 and H3 docs.

Roy's has a proposal to change that term in Semantics, which impacts the HTTP/3 draft. But he was kind enought to submit PR https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4698, which demonstrates the impact of that change. This issue is mainly for visibility and tracking purposes.

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<p>packet-type-specific?</p>

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> -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.

I don't personally mind.  In this repo, we have let the commit history reflect the history of the issues.  So push as you like.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697#discussion_r553716074">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -As a result, the client discards all state for the connection and does not send
-any more packets on the connection.
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<p>I don't personally mind.  In this repo, we have let the commit history reflect the history of the issues.  So push as you like.</p>

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> @@ -784,7 +785,7 @@ If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive
 before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that
 is expected to be infrequent.
 
-It is expected that keys are discarded after packets encrypted with them would
+It is expected that keys are discarded after all packets encrypted with them would

I'm not sure if this is correct. You could receive HANDSHAKE_DONE without having received all ACKs for Handshake packets.

> @@ -1300,7 +1304,7 @@ largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
 loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
-: The time at which the next packet in that packet number space will be
+: The earliest time at which an additional packet in that packet number space will be

What was wrong with the original sentence?

> @@ -767,7 +768,7 @@ initial RTT estimate.
 
 ## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
 
-When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
+When packet protection keys are discarded from an entire encryption level (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),

```suggestion
When Initial and Handshake packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
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> @@ -836,12 +836,13 @@ encryption level as the packet being acknowledged.  Thus, it is possible that
 keys for a lower encryption level are needed for a short time after keys for a
 newer encryption level are available.
 
-An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has both
-received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when
-all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer.
-However, this does not guarantee that no further packets will need to be
-received or sent at that encryption level because a peer might not have received
-all the acknowledgments necessary to reach the same state.
+An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has
+received all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level, acknowledged the packets
+containing those frames, and received acknowledgements for packets containing
+all CRYPTO frames sent for that encryption level. However, this does not

In that case, yes.  And I guess we also have other shortcuts (you don't need Initial ACKs to discard Initial keys as a client or server).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4693#discussion_r553716554">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -836,12 +836,13 @@ encryption level as the packet being acknowledged.  Thus, it is possible that
 keys for a lower encryption level are needed for a short time after keys for a
 newer encryption level are available.
 
-An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has both
-received and acknowledged all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level and when
-all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level have been acknowledged by its peer.
-However, this does not guarantee that no further packets will need to be
-received or sent at that encryption level because a peer might not have received
-all the acknowledgments necessary to reach the same state.
+An endpoint cannot discard keys for a given encryption level unless it has
+received all CRYPTO frames for that encryption level, acknowledged the packets
+containing those frames, and received acknowledgements for packets containing
+all CRYPTO frames sent for that encryption level. However, this does not
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<p>In that case, yes.  And I guess we also have other shortcuts (you don't need Initial ACKs to discard Initial keys as a client or server).</p>

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> @@ -1300,7 +1304,7 @@ largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
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"next" could be ambiguous about applying to the time axis or the packet number axis.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553737156">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1300,7 +1304,7 @@ largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
 loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
-: The time at which the next packet in that packet number space will be
+: The earliest time at which an additional packet in that packet number space will be
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<p>"next" could be ambiguous about applying to the time axis or the packet number axis.</p>

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> @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a

I don't think the comma is appropriate if the claim is that rttvar is defined to be the estimated variation of the RTT sample.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553737416">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint&#39;s RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
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<p>I don't think the comma is appropriate if the claim is that rttvar is defined to be the estimated variation of the RTT sample.</p>

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> @@ -1300,7 +1304,7 @@ largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
 loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
-: The time at which the next packet in that packet number space will be
+: The earliest time at which an additional packet in that packet number space will be

As packet numbers are used sequentially, those axis should be effectively equivalent.

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 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
 loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
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+: The earliest time at which an additional packet in that packet number space will be
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<p>As packet numbers are used sequentially, those axis should be effectively equivalent.</p>

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> @@ -784,7 +785,7 @@ If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive
 before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that
 is expected to be infrequent.
 
-It is expected that keys are discarded after packets encrypted with them would
+It is expected that keys are discarded after all packets encrypted with them would

Hmm.  I considered s/all/any/ but am not sure that helps.  The best idea I have right now (just before bedtime...) is to add to the next sentence that Handshake keys are discarded when the handshake is confirmed.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553739125">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -784,7 +785,7 @@ If a server accepts 0-RTT, but does not buffer 0-RTT packets that arrive
 before Initial packets, early 0-RTT packets will be declared lost, but that
 is expected to be infrequent.
 
-It is expected that keys are discarded after packets encrypted with them would
+It is expected that keys are discarded after all packets encrypted with them would
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<p>Hmm.  I considered s/all/any/ but am not sure that helps.  The best idea I have right now (just before bedtime...) is to add to the next sentence that Handshake keys are discarded when the handshake is confirmed.</p>

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> @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
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-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
+  ssthresh = congestion_window * (1 - kLossReductionFactor)

So we should change the definition of kLossReductionFactor to be something like "scaling factor applied to reduce the congestion window when loss is detected"?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553739519">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
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<p>So we should change the definition of kLossReductionFactor to be something like "scaling factor applied to reduce the congestion window when loss is detected"?</p>

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I agree. If there is a Using [insert your favorite security protocol] with QUIC, they are going to need to figure out which bits need to go in their document anyway.

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<p>I agree. If there is a Using [insert your favorite security protocol] with QUIC, they are going to need to figure out which bits need to go in their document anyway.</p>

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My understanding is that QUICv1 is defined as a protocol on top of UDP and as such e.g. the spec can assume that there are UDP ports, however, I wouldn't see that an invariant for all future version of QUIC.

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I do not see any reason to move it. This entire document is all about security considerations.

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Perhaps the intro needs to be reworded to indicate that it's using some of the same conventions as the transport document, which are reproduced below?

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<p>Perhaps the intro needs to be reworded to indicate that it's using some of the same conventions as the transport document, which are reproduced below?</p>

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@ekline appears satisfied with Martin's response. There's is small window of opportunity but I'm pessimitic.

I'm proposing we close with no action if we have seen nothing by the time editors have addressed other comments and are ready to release draft 34.

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<p>I'm proposing we close with no action if we have seen nothing by the time editors have addressed other comments and are ready to release draft 34.</p>

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I think we can close this with no action. 

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Joining the dots, Martin's email response said:

> I don't think we could reach consensus on a single policy for treatment of ICMP.  As you observe, some might regard ICMP as unreliable no matter the circumstances, others might trust but verify, and others might be happy to accept the signals without validation.  Support for RFC 4884 and larger packet samples might shift attitudes.
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> What I can say is that many implementations are not doing anything with ICMP, other than what the OS might automatically turn into socket errors.  That means that ICMP Unreachable can still have an effect in many stacks, but PTB doesn't enjoy the same privilege (at least to my knowledge, though I guess the OS could apply write size limits on its own, I don't know that any do).

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<p>Joining the dots, Martin's email response said:</p>
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<p>I don't think we could reach consensus on a single policy for treatment of ICMP.  As you observe, some might regard ICMP as unreliable no matter the circumstances, others might trust but verify, and others might be happy to accept the signals without validation.  Support for RFC 4884 and larger packet samples might shift attitudes.</p>
<p>What I can say is that many implementations are not doing anything with ICMP, other than what the OS might automatically turn into socket errors.  That means that ICMP Unreachable can still have an effect in many stacks, but PTB doesn't enjoy the same privilege (at least to my knowledge, though I guess the OS could apply write size limits on its own, I don't know that any do).</p>
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<p>My proposal is to close this issue with no action.</p>

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Joining the dots, Martin's email response said:

> In practice, the exception that follows means that you don't need to perform the check very often.  Most implementations only check when they are unable to decrypt or - more applicable to servers - unable to determine which connection is able to handle the packet.  The relevant text says:
> 
> > This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip this check if any packet from a datagram is successfully processed. However, the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram either cannot be associated with a connection, or cannot be decrypted.
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> Those that do check every datagram do run a risk of encountering a collision.  But it is tiny.
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> To take an extreme example, a server instance that receives ~2^62 packets for every connection (the maximum number any single connection can have, and far more than you can practically send), and you have a large number of connections (2^17 connections is a lot, but maybe plausible), and you check every inbound packet against every connection, the odds of collision are in the same ballpark as the odds that a dedicated and resourceful attacker might have to break encryption[1] at 2^-51 [2].
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> The Internet is big enough that this will likely happen, but I'm of the opinion that this risk is acceptable.  In any case, avoiding extra cycles has the effect of driving this probability right down.
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> [1] We allow 2^-57 probability.
> [2] Well, maybe a little higher, but I'm too lazy to run the birthday paradox numbers.

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<p>Joining the dots, Martin's email response said:</p>
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<p>In practice, the exception that follows means that you don't need to perform the check very often.  Most implementations only check when they are unable to decrypt or - more applicable to servers - unable to determine which connection is able to handle the packet.  The relevant text says:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>This comparison can be performed for every inbound datagram. Endpoints MAY skip this check if any packet from a datagram is successfully processed. However, the comparison MUST be performed when the first packet in an incoming datagram either cannot be associated with a connection, or cannot be decrypted.</p>
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<p>Those that do check every datagram do run a risk of encountering a collision.  But it is tiny.</p>
<p>To take an extreme example, a server instance that receives ~2^62 packets for every connection (the maximum number any single connection can have, and far more than you can practically send), and you have a large number of connections (2^17 connections is a lot, but maybe plausible), and you check every inbound packet against every connection, the odds of collision are in the same ballpark as the odds that a dedicated and resourceful attacker might have to break encryption[1] at 2^-51 [2].</p>
<p>The Internet is big enough that this will likely happen, but I'm of the opinion that this risk is acceptable.  In any case, avoiding extra cycles has the effect of driving this probability right down.</p>
<p>[1] We allow 2^-57 probability.<br>
[2] Well, maybe a little higher, but I'm too lazy to run the birthday paradox numbers.</p>
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I've not seen any appetite to do this. I'm concerned a move might burn cycles in editing and review that are better spent elsewhere. I'm proposing close with no action.

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<p>I've not seen any appetite to do this. I'm concerned a move might burn cycles in editing and review that are better spent elsewhere. I'm proposing close with no action.</p>

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Based on the discussion here and the linked issue, I don't think we need to do anything here.

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As an individual, I agree with Martin. There's over a dozen instances of symbolic references in the family of QUIC specs, I don't think changing them all is the right thing to do at this stage.

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I don't see a comment about the recovery draft here, so I think we can probably close with no action. 

I think we need some deployment experience before considering a BCP but that is tangential to the work on the base-draft deliverables IMO.

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<p>I think we need some deployment experience before considering a BCP but that is tangential to the work on the base-draft deliverables IMO.</p>

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Same as https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4589?

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Martin did so (shortly): see https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/quic/_JWqxGPDm5TcLkeb5T6cODfFH_Q/

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@kaduk pushed 2 commits.

1f5340d4eabc2a40ec10ed879a87ac3712e5c450  Revert "Tidy up "sending version negotiation packets""
5a501af1b3abe9d19aed0d7318a81b33d86139d7  Remove over-zealous forward-looking statement


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> @@ -654,9 +654,9 @@ initiated by a peer, receipt of a MAX_STREAM_DATA or STOP_SENDING frame for the
 sending part of the stream also creates the receiving part.  The initial state
 for the receiving part of a stream is "Recv".
 
-The receiving part of a stream enters the "Recv" state when the sending part of
-a bidirectional stream initiated by the endpoint (type 0 for a client, type 1
-for a server) enters the "Ready" state.
+For a bidirectional stream, the receiving part enters the "Recv" state when the
+sending part of the stream initiated by the endpoint (type 0 for a client, type

Given you start with "For a bidirectional stream," I think you can drop "of the stream" since this is a fairly long sentence.

```suggestion
sending part initiated by the endpoint (type 0 for a client, type
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27828eaefcdfea57a254af5c547b0228e74fdc55  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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Mostly for congruity with four-tuple when talking about the source/destination IP/port.  Proposal is to leave this as-is.

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Fixes #4539.
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  * Repeat object

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4539.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779969842" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4539" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4539/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4539">#4539</a>.</p>

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If we make that decision in the future, we can update the invariants to be broader.  Or a draft could specify that it's defining a protocol in which QUIC packets that could have been sent in UDP are sent in something else.  Regardless, we decided that a non-UDP-based protocol was out-of-scope even for the invariants and the document reflects this.

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<p>If we make that decision in the future, we can update the invariants to be broader.  Or a draft could specify that it's defining a protocol in which QUIC packets that could have been sent in UDP are sent in something else.  Regardless, we decided that a non-UDP-based protocol was out-of-scope even for the invariants and the document reflects this.</p>

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Fixes #4550 
Fixes #4551 

This makes it clearer that the notation is copied from v1, not defined there and normatively referenced.  (Note, figures aren&#39;t normative anyway.)
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4550.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779982081" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4550" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4550/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4550">#4550</a><br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4551.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779982463" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4551" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4551/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4551">#4551</a></p>
<p>This makes it clearer that the notation is copied from v1, not defined there and normatively referenced.  (Note, figures aren't normative anyway.)</p>

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> @@ -609,7 +610,7 @@ or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of
 of the round-trip time and for the correct packet across packet number spaces.
 
 When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting in the
-PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff factor is reset
+PTO period being set to twice its current value, in each packet number space. The PTO backoff factor is reset

There's only one PTO alarm/timeout, so reverting this change.

> @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint's RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a

I can change this to "and rttvar is the mean variation in the RTT samples." if that's preferable?

> @@ -767,7 +768,7 @@ initial RTT estimate.
 
 ## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
 
-When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
+When packet protection keys are discarded from an entire encryption level (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),

I think there's a note about how key update in QUIC is slightly different from TLS, so I believe the existing text is more correct.  @martinthomson to confirm.

> @@ -1433,7 +1437,7 @@ UpdateRtt(ack_delay):
   // min_rtt ignores acknowledgment delay.
   min_rtt = min(min_rtt, latest_rtt)
   // Limit ack_delay by max_ack_delay after handshake
-  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is 0 for
+  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is clamped to 0 for

This sentence is stale, removed.

> @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
   // Enter recovery period.
   congestion_recovery_start_time = now()
-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
+  ssthresh = congestion_window * (1 - kLossReductionFactor)

I'll update the description to be less ambiguous.

> @@ -1300,7 +1304,7 @@ largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
 loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
-: The time at which the next packet in that packet number space will be
+: The earliest time at which an additional packet in that packet number space will be

+1 to Marten's comment, reverting most of it, but changing will to can, since timers can wake up late.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553590129">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -609,7 +610,7 @@ or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of
 of the round-trip time and for the correct packet across packet number spaces.
 
 When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting in the
-PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff factor is reset
+PTO period being set to twice its current value, in each packet number space. The PTO backoff factor is reset
</pre>
<p>There's only one PTO alarm/timeout, so reverting this change.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r554162134">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -354,7 +355,7 @@ frequently observable.
 ## Estimating smoothed_rtt and rttvar {#smoothed-rtt}
 
 smoothed_rtt is an exponentially-weighted moving average of an endpoint&#39;s RTT
-samples, and rttvar is the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
+samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using a
</pre>
<p>I can change this to "and rttvar is the mean variation in the RTT samples." if that's preferable?</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553591631">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -767,7 +768,7 @@ initial RTT estimate.
 
 ## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
 
-When packet protection keys are discarded (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
+When packet protection keys are discarded from an entire encryption level (see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}),
</pre>
<p>I think there's a note about how key update in QUIC is slightly different from TLS, so I believe the existing text is more correct.  <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> to confirm.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553597761">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1433,7 +1437,7 @@ UpdateRtt(ack_delay):
   // min_rtt ignores acknowledgment delay.
   min_rtt = min(min_rtt, latest_rtt)
   // Limit ack_delay by max_ack_delay after handshake
-  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is 0 for
+  // confirmation. Note that ack_delay is clamped to 0 for
</pre>
<p>This sentence is stale, removed.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r553969935">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1783,7 +1788,7 @@ OnCongestionEvent(sent_time):
 
   // Enter recovery period.
   congestion_recovery_start_time = now()
-  ssthresh = congestion_window * kLossReductionFactor
+  ssthresh = congestion_window * (1 - kLossReductionFactor)
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<p>I'll update the description to be less ambiguous.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r554173128">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1300,7 +1304,7 @@ largest_acked_packet\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
 : The largest packet number acknowledged in the packet number space so far.
 
 loss_time\[kPacketNumberSpace]:
-: The time at which the next packet in that packet number space will be
+: The earliest time at which an additional packet in that packet number space will be
</pre>
<p>+1 to Marten's comment, reverting most of it, but changing will to can, since timers can wake up late.</p>

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Fixes #4560 
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  * It is necessary =&gt; Receivers need to

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4560.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779997274" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4560" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4560/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4560">#4560</a></p>

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It might not be entirely realistic, in that the person deploying a server might not be aware of unsecure endpoints around them, but it's better to have the caution present than say nothing.

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@kaduk commented on this pull request.



> @@ -609,7 +610,7 @@ or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of
 of the round-trip time and for the correct packet across packet number spaces.
 
 When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting in the
-PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff factor is reset
+PTO period being set to twice its current value, in each packet number space. The PTO backoff factor is reset

Okay, sorry for the confusion.  I was just keying off of:

>   Even when there are ack-
   eliciting packets in-flight in multiple packet number spaces, the
   exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across all spaces to
   prevent excess load on the network.  For example, a timeout in the
   Initial packet number space doubles the length of the timeout in the
   Handshake packet number space.

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r554183875">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -609,7 +610,7 @@ or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of
 of the round-trip time and for the correct packet across packet number spaces.
 
 When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting in the
-PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff factor is reset
+PTO period being set to twice its current value, in each packet number space. The PTO backoff factor is reset
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<p>Okay, sorry for the confusion.  I was just keying off of:</p>
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<p>Even when there are ack-<br>
eliciting packets in-flight in multiple packet number spaces, the<br>
exponential increase in probe timeout occurs across all spaces to<br>
prevent excess load on the network.  For example, a timeout in the<br>
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I think the ambiguity is whether the "limited to" is saying:

- the maximum datagram size is no more than twice the maximum datagram size (which is nonsensical)
- the initial congestion window is min(10\*max_datagram_size, max(14720 bytes, 2\*max_datagram_size))

Given that one of the possible interpretations is logically inconsistent, the other one must be correct.  I'm not sure how to make this sentence clearer except through pseudo-code.  Looking at the pseudo-code, there isn't any -- kInitialWindow is declared to be a constant, value defined by this text, but the definition of this constant is given in terms of a variable (max_datagram_size).

Maybe kInitialWindow should become a variable itself, and then have pseudo-code with the max/min relationship added to B.3?

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<p>I think the ambiguity is whether the "limited to" is saying:</p>
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<li>the maximum datagram size is no more than twice the maximum datagram size (which is nonsensical)</li>
<li>the initial congestion window is min(10*max_datagram_size, max(14720 bytes, 2*max_datagram_size))</li>
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<p>Given that one of the possible interpretations is logically inconsistent, the other one must be correct.  I'm not sure how to make this sentence clearer except through pseudo-code.  Looking at the pseudo-code, there isn't any -- kInitialWindow is declared to be a constant, value defined by this text, but the definition of this constant is given in terms of a variable (max_datagram_size).</p>
<p>Maybe kInitialWindow should become a variable itself, and then have pseudo-code with the max/min relationship added to B.3?</p>

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks, this is an improvement.  Some suggestions to make connection level flow control a bit clearer.

> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls

```suggestion
flow controlled both individually and across a connection.  A QUIC receiver controls
```

> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
+the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream at any time, as

```suggestion
the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream or connection at any time, as
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> @@ -609,7 +610,7 @@ or acknowledged, when the handshake is confirmed (Section 4.1.2 of
 of the round-trip time and for the correct packet across packet number spaces.
 
 When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting in the
-PTO period being set to twice its current value. The PTO backoff factor is reset
+PTO period being set to twice its current value, in each packet number space. The PTO backoff factor is reset

Yeah, in this case across all is not quite the same as for each, but I agree the difference is subtle.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r554187619">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
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 of the round-trip time and for the correct packet across packet number spaces.
 
 When a PTO timer expires, the PTO backoff MUST be increased, resulting in the
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4.3 starts to wave in that direction, talking about the added overhead on the second Initial if the server sends an Initial, and suggesting that might require fragmenting the ClientHello.  It wouldn't be out of place there, necessarily, but I also don't think anyone would look here for it.

I think you're fine without, personally.

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<p>4.3 starts to wave in that direction, talking about the added overhead on the second Initial if the server sends an Initial, and suggesting that might require fragmenting the ClientHello.  It wouldn't be out of place there, necessarily, but I also don't think anyone would look here for it.</p>
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[exemplary](https://www.dictionary.com/browse/exemplary):
> 3. serving as an illustration or specimen; illustrative; **typical**:
> *The sentences read are exemplary of the style of the essay as a whole.*
> 4. serving as a model or pattern:
> *The authoritative and exemplary text of the work is in the Bodleian Library at Oxford University.*

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<li>serving as an illustration or specimen; illustrative; <strong>typical</strong>:<br>
<em>The sentences read are exemplary of the style of the essay as a whole.</em></li>
<li>serving as a model or pattern:<br>
<em>The authoritative and exemplary text of the work is in the Bodleian Library at Oxford University.</em></li>
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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.



> @@ -318,8 +318,8 @@ x (?) = C..D:
 : Indicates that x is optional (and has length of E)
 
 x (E) ...:
-: Indicates that x is repeated zero or more times (and that each instance is
-  length E)
+: Indicates that zero or more occurences of x are present (and that each

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Fixes a spelling issue (or regional variation?) and adds parallelism in one shot!

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If we are to align, I suspect limit-based is more correct.  Credit-based makes me think of HTTP/2-style sending of deltas, whereas QUIC always sends the new absolute value of the limit.

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<p>If we are to align, I suspect limit-based is more correct.  Credit-based makes me think of HTTP/2-style sending of deltas, whereas QUIC always sends the new absolute value of the limit.</p>

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It's also worth noting that "and all future CRYPTO frames" is intended to guard against exactly this issue.  If we drop something, we've lost any context it might have for interpreting whatever came after, so we can't safely act on anything ever again.  If a new message is created that requires a response, our failure to respond might cause the connection to close; as Martin says, that just implies it's not supported with QUIC unless you build some extra machinery.

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<p>It's also worth noting that "and all future CRYPTO frames" is intended to guard against exactly this issue.  If we drop something, we've lost any context it might have for interpreting whatever came after, so we can't safely act on anything ever again.  If a new message is created that requires a response, our failure to respond might cause the connection to close; as Martin says, that just implies it's not supported with QUIC unless you build some extra machinery.</p>

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Incidentally, the table also says that CRYPTO and NEW_TOKEN are impossible in 0-RTT but possible in 1-RTT.

ACK can't be sent in 0-RTT, because you can't (legally) have processed any packets in the 0/1-RTT packet number space while you're still sending 0-RTT packets.  At the point in which you're allowed to start processing incoming 1-RTT packets from the server, you have 1-RTT send keys and are prohibited from continuing to send in 0-RTT.

By the same logic, it's impossible to send a PATH_RESPONSE in 0-RTT.  That should probably be fixed in the table.

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<p>Incidentally, the table also says that CRYPTO and NEW_TOKEN are impossible in 0-RTT but possible in 1-RTT.</p>
<p>ACK can't be sent in 0-RTT, because you can't (legally) have processed any packets in the 0/1-RTT packet number space while you're still sending 0-RTT packets.  At the point in which you're allowed to start processing incoming 1-RTT packets from the server, you have 1-RTT send keys and are prohibited from continuing to send in 0-RTT.</p>
<p>By the same logic, it's impossible to send a PATH_RESPONSE in 0-RTT.  That should probably be fixed in the table.</p>

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You only send a PATH_RESPONSE when a PATH_CHALLENGE is received.  PATH_CHALLENGE can&#39;t have been sent in Initial or Handshake, so the client&#39;s first opportunity to process a PATH_CHALLENGE is when it begins consuming 1-RTT packets from the server.  At the point 1-RTT packets are being read, the client is no longer allowed to send 0-RTT packets, because:

&gt; A client MUST NOT send 0-RTT packets once it starts processing 1-RTT packets from the server. This means that 0-RTT packets cannot contain any response to frames from 1-RTT packets.

Therefore, PATH_RESPONSE is part of the class of frames which are simply not possible in 0-RTT.

Fixes #4625.
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  * PATH_RESPONSE can&#39;t occur in 0-RTT

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>You only send a PATH_RESPONSE when a PATH_CHALLENGE is received.  PATH_CHALLENGE can't have been sent in Initial or Handshake, so the client's first opportunity to process a PATH_CHALLENGE is when it begins consuming 1-RTT packets from the server.  At the point 1-RTT packets are being read, the client is no longer allowed to send 0-RTT packets, because:</p>
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<p>A client MUST NOT send 0-RTT packets once it starts processing 1-RTT packets from the server. This means that 0-RTT packets cannot contain any response to frames from 1-RTT packets.</p>
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<p>Therefore, PATH_RESPONSE is part of the class of frames which are simply not possible in 0-RTT.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4625.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780951902" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4625" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4625/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4625">#4625</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>PATH_RESPONSE can&#39;t occur in 0-RTT</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4720/files#diff-42873df666a8ef4f18a716aaeefb1815db2d7a1935cc8d47532191f2648439cf">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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For concreteness, the proposal is no action.  The client MUST NOT change, because it doesn't know whether the server might have bound it into the token state; the server is not under any obligation to do so.  Both are correct.

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BCP 18 says:

>  All human-readable text has a language.
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>  Protocols that transfer text MUST provide for carrying information about the language of that text.
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>  Note that this does NOT mean that such information [the language used] must always be present; the requirement is that if the sender of information wishes to send information about the language of a text, the protocol provides a well-defined way to carry this information.

That really does sound like it covers this field.  Would it be enough to say that the field SHOULD begin with a language tag if it is not empty?

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<p>BCP 18 says:</p>
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<p>All human-readable text has a language.<br>
...<br>
Protocols that transfer text MUST provide for carrying information about the language of that text.<br>
...<br>
Note that this does NOT mean that such information [the language used] must always be present; the requirement is that if the sender of information wishes to send information about the language of a text, the protocol provides a well-defined way to carry this information.</p>
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<p>That really does sound like it covers this field.  Would it be enough to say that the field SHOULD begin with a language tag if it is not empty?</p>

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I agree with Martin and Mike.  This was the consensus approach of the WG, and it's not perfect for every possible future scenario, but it does work.

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Pushed fixups for both points raised.

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There was a sentence in this section that seems to be specifying
how to handle a version negotiation packet, not how to send one,
and as such is out of place.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4721

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  * Tidy up &quot;sending version negotiation packets&quot;

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>There was a sentence in this section that seems to be specifying<br>
how to handle a version negotiation packet, not how to send one,<br>
and as such is out of place.</p>

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<p>&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4721'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4721</a></p>

<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Tidy up &quot;sending version negotiation packets&quot;</li>
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How do you feel about s/Session resumption is the basis of 0-RTT, but can be used without also enabling 0-RTT./Session resumption can be used to enable 0-RTT, and can also be used when 0-RTT is disabled./  (recalling that we had another change to clarify that 0-RTT can be used independently of resumption, if sufficient information is configured alongside the external PSK)?

To clarify, the concern here is that if 0-RTT is something that you "enable", then there would be some precursor state where 0-RTT is disabled by default.  Disabled by default may not mesh very well with "normal part of the protocol".

Thank you for reviewing the other instances; I only happened to notice this one place in Section 4.5 but was not specifically looking for others.

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<p>To clarify, the concern here is that if 0-RTT is something that you "enable", then there would be some precursor state where 0-RTT is disabled by default.  Disabled by default may not mesh very well with "normal part of the protocol".</p>
<p>Thank you for reviewing the other instances; I only happened to notice this one place in Section 4.5 but was not specifically looking for others.</p>

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Having looked again with the benefit of fully reading -transport, I think we will be okay with no change.
It was slightly tempting to contrast Retry with HelloRetryRequest in Section 4.7, but this information would be out of place there.

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<p>Having looked again with the benefit of fully reading -transport, I think we will be okay with no change.<br>
It was slightly tempting to contrast Retry with HelloRetryRequest in Section 4.7, but this information would be out of place there.</p>

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Yes, it's an overview and we don't have to defend every statement we make.

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<p>Yes, it's an overview and we don't have to defend every statement we make.</p>

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Part of why I had commented here is that "can use any of [implicit list of 4 ciphers]" might be misread as saying that no other ciphers will ever be allowed.  I *think* that "is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS connection" implies that other ciphers can be used, provided the header protection requirement is met, so I am okay with closing with no change.

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<p>Part of why I had commented here is that "can use any of [implicit list of 4 ciphers]" might be misread as saying that no other ciphers will ever be allowed.  I <em>think</em> that "is the AEAD that is negotiated for use with the TLS connection" implies that other ciphers can be used, provided the header protection requirement is met, so I am okay with closing with no change.</p>

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@kaduk approved this pull request.

This is a big help; thank you!

> @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of

One PTO is also what is mentioned at L1638-L1640.

> @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of

I think "defer generation of the subsequent set" might be good (and be consistent with L1640).  (Not phrasing as a suggestion since the two suggestions would conflict.)

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This is a big help; thank you!</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4577#discussion_r554505538">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of
</pre>
<p>One PTO is also what is mentioned at L1638-L1640.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4577#discussion_r554505707">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of
</pre>
<p>I think "defer generation of the subsequent set" might be good (and be consistent with L1640).  (Not phrasing as a suggestion since the two suggestions would conflict.)</p>

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> 1. We address buffering and retention in [Section 7.5 of the transport doc](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-cryptographic-message-buffe) and referenced in [Section 4.1.3](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#section-4.1.3-12).  I think that suffices.

Yes, that looks like it should suffice.  (I read -tls before -transport and didn't think to check if -transport said anything on this topic.)

> 2. Given that we dedicate [Section 7](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#name-security-of-initial-message) to the issue of "security" for Initial packets, it probably isn't necessary to repeat things here.  (We might consider moving Section 7 to this section, I guess.  I just don't like the grab-bag that is security considerations.)

I only mentioned it because sometimes people skip to the named security considerations section and pretend they can ignore the rest of the document.  That's ill-advised, of course, and we need not go out of our way to support it -- we do already say that there are many security-relevant details in the rest of the document.  So this one is looking like close with no change, and thanks for the pointer to the transport section.

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<li>We address buffering and retention in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-cryptographic-message-buffe" rel="nofollow">Section 7.5 of the transport doc</a> and referenced in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-tls.html#section-4.1.3-12" rel="nofollow">Section 4.1.3</a>.  I think that suffices.</li>
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> So l've a PR for the note, but I don't see any other action here.

I have an action item (to pester the DTLS 1.3 authors to reduce the divergence), but I agree there's no other action for this document.

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Okay.  Mostly I just wanted to check that it wasn't theorem 4.2 for one formula and 4.3 for the other.  Sorry for not having persevered at it (I was past my time budget for -tls at this point).
To be clear, that's "close with no change".

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<p>Okay.  Mostly I just wanted to check that it wasn't theorem 4.2 for one formula and 4.3 for the other.  Sorry for not having persevered at it (I was past my time budget for -tls at this point).<br>
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Ah, of course, the authentication tag.  (I only remembered that the packet number length was included as an afterthought, but 4 != 20 and I didn't pause to think what might be adding 16 other bytes.)
Thanks for the PR, @MikeBishop !

I am not sure who would take the other end of that bet, though ... I seem to have a track record of putting DISCUSSes on for examples that don't match the protocol spec.

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<p>Ah, of course, the authentication tag.  (I only remembered that the packet number length was included as an afterthought, but 4 != 20 and I didn't pause to think what might be adding 16 other bytes.)<br>
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> You presume correctly about the salt. The final salts are in place in -33, which is what you are reading, so that's good. Unless something goes terribly wrong, this won't change any more now. The values have been validated by a number of stacks, so I think we're good there.

Happy to hear it -- I wasn't sure if the plan was to drop in new values as late as AUTH48 or something.

> My proposal is to make no change here.

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I think that not providing an explicit defense against handshake disruption is fine, but flat-out prohibiting anyone from trying to make one is a stronger requirement than just not providing one.

I was reacting to the scenario where there is both a legitimate and a spoofed Version Negotiation, and the apparent prohibition against speculatively processing both and seeing if there were different results (in favor of requiring the first one that arrives to "win").  I am no longer sure that "otherwise successful communication" is accurate, though, given what we currently say to do when you get a Version Negotiation, so I am not inclined to press the point.

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I don't understand why I, as a recipient of NEW_CONNECTION_ID, need to actually remember the connection ID itself.  I am not obligated to ever send packets using that value as a destination connection ID, so what harm comes if I forget it?

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Please consider reiterating that it is time bounded in the document (and for path validation as well); I would prefer to not have future protocols attempt to refer to QUIC's 8-byte value as justification for their own when they actually need something bigger.

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<p>Please consider reiterating that it is time bounded in the document (and for path validation as well); I would prefer to not have future protocols attempt to refer to QUIC's 8-byte value as justification for their own when they actually need something bigger.</p>

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@kaduk commented on this pull request.

I think I made all the requested changes.  I will make a pass through the diff to check that I didn't introduce any weirdness as a result.

> @@ -4739,8 +4747,9 @@ server MAY send multiple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could
 require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
 
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing
-a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PING, PADDING, and
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type 0x1c are also permitted.  An endpoint that
+a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type
+0x1c, or some combination thereof.  PING and PADDING frames are also permitted.
+An endpoint that

Done.

> @@ -1529,7 +1531,7 @@ Handshake (CRYPTO)
 1-RTT (*)              ---------->
                        <---------- 1-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE,*)
 
-1-RTT (*)              <=========>                1-RTT (*)
+1-RTT (                <=========>                1-RTT

Oops, not sure how I messed that up.

> +- ACK frames MAY appear in any packet number space other than 0-RTT, but can only acknowledge
+  packets that appeared in that packet number space.

I feel duly embarrassed at having missed that fact in my pre-PR-submission review (for all occurrences).

> +server; a client MUST NOT process those bits other than to verify the Retry
+Integrity Tag.  In addition to the fields from the

Okay.  I think we have ample precedent for "process" being a flexible term...

> +salt) but cannot observe the server's transport parameters as sent to
+the client and cannot influence
+parameter negotiation.  (The attacker could make its own connection to
+the server and observe the transport parameters sent on that
+connection.)

Okay; reverted.

>  
 Connection IDs are unencrypted but integrity protected in all packets.
 
-This version of QUIC does not incorporate a version negotiation mechanism;
+This version of QUIC does not incorporate a complete or secure version negotiation mechanism;

Okay; reverted.

> @@ -6658,7 +6672,7 @@ An on-path attacker can:
 - Delay packets
 - Reorder packets
 - Drop packets
-- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries
+- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries (though header protection obfsucates the location of packet boundaries)

Reverted

> +Note that introducing artificial gaps might increase the size of the
+returned ACK packets in a manner that scales roughly llinearly with the
+number of gaps introduced, so fewer, larger, gaps may be more efficient.

Reverted.

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<p>I think I made all the requested changes.  I will make a pass through the diff to check that I didn't introduce any weirdness as a result.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554511742">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4739,8 +4747,9 @@ server MAY send multiple Initial packets.  The cryptographic key exchange could
 require multiple round trips or retransmissions of this data.
 
 The payload of an Initial packet includes a CRYPTO frame (or frames) containing
-a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, or both.  PING, PADDING, and
-CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type 0x1c are also permitted.  An endpoint that
+a cryptographic handshake message, ACK frames, CONNECTION_CLOSE frames of type
+0x1c, or some combination thereof.  PING and PADDING frames are also permitted.
+An endpoint that
</pre>
<p>Done.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554510971">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1529,7 +1531,7 @@ Handshake (CRYPTO)
 1-RTT (*)              ----------&gt;
                        &lt;---------- 1-RTT (HANDSHAKE_DONE,*)
 
-1-RTT (*)              &lt;=========&gt;                1-RTT (*)
+1-RTT (                &lt;=========&gt;                1-RTT
</pre>
<p>Oops, not sure how I messed that up.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554511309">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +- ACK frames MAY appear in any packet number space other than 0-RTT, but can only acknowledge
+  packets that appeared in that packet number space.
</pre>
<p>I feel duly embarrassed at having missed that fact in my pre-PR-submission review (for all occurrences).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554511873">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +server; a client MUST NOT process those bits other than to verify the Retry
+Integrity Tag.  In addition to the fields from the
</pre>
<p>Okay.  I think we have ample precedent for "process" being a flexible term...</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554511915">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +salt) but cannot observe the server&#39;s transport parameters as sent to
+the client and cannot influence
+parameter negotiation.  (The attacker could make its own connection to
+the server and observe the transport parameters sent on that
+connection.)
</pre>
<p>Okay; reverted.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554511990">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 Connection IDs are unencrypted but integrity protected in all packets.
 
-This version of QUIC does not incorporate a version negotiation mechanism;
+This version of QUIC does not incorporate a complete or secure version negotiation mechanism;
</pre>
<p>Okay; reverted.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554512027">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6658,7 +6672,7 @@ An on-path attacker can:
 - Delay packets
 - Reorder packets
 - Drop packets
-- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries
+- Split and merge datagrams along packet boundaries (though header protection obfsucates the location of packet boundaries)
</pre>
<p>Reverted</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4597#discussion_r554512089">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Note that introducing artificial gaps might increase the size of the
+returned ACK packets in a manner that scales roughly llinearly with the
+number of gaps introduced, so fewer, larger, gaps may be more efficient.
</pre>
<p>Reverted.</p>

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> @@ -6863,7 +6872,7 @@ Servers SHOULD provide mitigations for this attack by limiting the usage and
 lifetime of address validation tokens; see {{validate-future}}.
 
 
-## Optimistic ACK Attack
+## Optimistic ACK Attack (#optimistic-ack-attack}

```suggestion
## Optimistic ACK Attack {#optimistic-ack-attack}
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@kaduk pushed 1 commit.

e786b9693fa71671a14e8cd77f2d464bbab3860d  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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@kaduk addiction the failure is simply line length. If you hard wrap everything to 80 characters all should be good.

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I agree with basically all the comments; my only question is whether "nor particularly onerous" applies to requiring a QUIC implementation to know and notice if/when the TLS stack it uses adds support for a new TLS extension [that happens to have the particular/bizarre attributes required to get into this situation in the first place] and turns that extension on by default.  We do in practice require some strong coordination between QUIC and TLS, but i don't know whether that will translate into ongoing strong coordination or the TLS stack will be free to add features unrelated to QUIC that might trigger this scenario.  I also don't have any proposed alternatives (we can't exactly give guidance of "confirm that all TLS extensions your stack supports are consistent with QUIC"), so I expect this is going to close with no change and we will just have some small latent risk.

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<p>I agree with basically all the comments; my only question is whether "nor particularly onerous" applies to requiring a QUIC implementation to know and notice if/when the TLS stack it uses adds support for a new TLS extension [that happens to have the particular/bizarre attributes required to get into this situation in the first place] and turns that extension on by default.  We do in practice require some strong coordination between QUIC and TLS, but i don't know whether that will translate into ongoing strong coordination or the TLS stack will be free to add features unrelated to QUIC that might trigger this scenario.  I also don't have any proposed alternatives (we can't exactly give guidance of "confirm that all TLS extensions your stack supports are consistent with QUIC"), so I expect this is going to close with no change and we will just have some small latent risk.</p>

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Well, sometimes client implementations might be aware of the transition mechanism.  This can happen when, for example, DNS64 is used and the IPv6 address received is a NAT64 address that makes things "just work" for the IPv6-only client contacting an IPv4-only server.

If you wanted some sample text, I might suggest something along these lines:

> Note that if the only non-zero address available is from a different address family than the endpoint implementation
> can make reasonable use of (e.g., and IPv6-only client receives only an IPv4 address), the implementation may
> need to coordinate with any address family transition technologies in use.  The precise mechanisms by which this
> can be done vary by transition technology and are out of scope of this document.

This shouldn't cause any unnecessary Informative references to be added.

Again: only if you want to note it so that implementors can bear it in mind.

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<p>Well, sometimes client implementations might be aware of the transition mechanism.  This can happen when, for example, DNS64 is used and the IPv6 address received is a NAT64 address that makes things "just work" for the IPv6-only client contacting an IPv4-only server.</p>
<p>If you wanted some sample text, I might suggest something along these lines:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Note that if the only non-zero address available is from a different address family than the endpoint implementation<br>
can make reasonable use of (e.g., and IPv6-only client receives only an IPv4 address), the implementation may<br>
need to coordinate with any address family transition technologies in use.  The precise mechanisms by which this<br>
can be done vary by transition technology and are out of scope of this document.</p>
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<p>This shouldn't cause any unnecessary Informative references to be added.</p>
<p>Again: only if you want to note it so that implementors can bear it in mind.</p>

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@kazuho commented on this pull request.



> @@ -1576,12 +1576,16 @@ remove packet protection, and results in all packets with an invalid Key Phase
 bit being rejected.
 
 The process of creating new packet protection keys for receiving packets could
-reveal that a key update has occurred.  An endpoint MAY perform this process as
-part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that can be used by
-an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus the value of the Key Phase
-bit in certain packets.  Endpoints MAY instead defer the creation of the next
-set of receive packet protection keys until some time after a key update
-completes, up to three times the PTO; see {{old-keys-recv}}.
+reveal that a key update has occurred. An endpoint MAY generate new keys as
+part of packet processing, but this creates a timing signal that could be used
+by an attacker to learn when key updates happen and thus leak the value of the
+Key Phase bit.
+
+Endpoints are generally expected to have current and next receive packet
+protection keys available. For a short period after a key update completes, up
+to three times the PTO, endpoints MAY defer generation of the next set of

:+1: I think that the suggested change is correct.

Our recommendations are that the _receiver_ keeps the old keys for one PTO, the _sender_ delays the next key update for at least three PTO after it receives an ACK for the current key update. This paragraph is talking about the receiver, so it should be one PTO.

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Since the Comment Maker is happy to close with no action, that is what I'm doing.

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<p>Since the Comment Maker is happy to close with no action, that is what I'm doing.</p>

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Closed #4506.

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<p>Closed <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779926220" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4506" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4506/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4506">#4506</a>.</p>

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I think that it is moderately realistic for most deployments.  There aren't so many UDP-based protocols out there in common usage.  Besides, conducting an audit, if you did not already know, would be healthy.

>From another angle, a reason to include this is that if you have a firewall, deploy a QUIC server behind that firewall, and don't know what else is behind that firewall, then us writing this text makes it clear where fault lies if something bad happens.


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<p>I think that it is moderately realistic for most deployments.  There aren't so many UDP-based protocols out there in common usage.  Besides, conducting an audit, if you did not already know, would be healthy.</p>
<p>From another angle, a reason to include this is that if you have a firewall, deploy a QUIC server behind that firewall, and don't know what else is behind that firewall, then us writing this text makes it clear where fault lies if something bad happens.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

This is good, but I'd like @martinthomson to take a look. I'm super wary of changes like this, and the more eyes, the better.



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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This is good, but I'd like <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> to take a look. I'm super wary of changes like this, and the more eyes, the better.</p>

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This point seems reasonable and the so is @MikeBishop's fix in #4720.

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<p>This point seems reasonable and the so is <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a>'s fix in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="782416208" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4720" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4720/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4720">#4720</a>.</p>

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
+the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream at any time, as

I don't think this is correct -- flow control only limits what a sender sends on a stream.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4719#discussion_r554653195">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
+the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream at any time, as
</pre>
<p>I don't think this is correct -- flow control only limits what a sender sends on a stream.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

I think the text as is is fine, but this is fine too. It is certainly clearer, so I'm happy to take it.



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<p>I think the text as is is fine, but this is fine too. It is certainly clearer, so I'm happy to take it.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

With the suggestions, this is a fine, if small, improvement.

> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are

```suggestion
commitments for a connection, streams are
```

> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls

Or
```suggestion
flow controlled both individually and across a connection as a whole.  A QUIC receiver controls
```

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls

I think what you might want is "as an aggregate spanning a connection", since the "connection" is describing the scope of aggregation, not the streams themselves. In the interest of keeping this less verbose, "as an aggregate" is probably enough. I'll take it as is, but if you feel strongly, I'm happy to do a separate commit for just this.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4719#discussion_r554653813">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
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I'm happy to take this as is, but I'll wait for the editorializing to settle.



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The format is defined here anyway, so there's no reason to suggest primacy. I've suggested a simpler wording.

> +Packet diagrams in this document use a format taken from {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} to
+illustrate the order and size of fields.  That format is defined in this
+section.

```suggestion
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  Repeat object


  Commit: 0acdfddd83c4a958e19113e317cfcd55ce75eaea
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/0acdfddd83c4a958e19113e317cfcd55ce75eaea
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  Date:   2021-01-10 (Sun, 10 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #4717 from quicwg/transport/vyncke16

Tweak for clarity


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Perhaps I've lost the thread here -- why are we reserving this again?



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> @@ -132,7 +132,8 @@ the encryption level and includes a packet sequence number (referred to below as
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Do we now also have to acknowledge the fact that the loss recovery algorithms assume the absence of gaps?

> +can no longer be acknowledged because their acknowledgments cannot be processed
+anymore. The sender MUST discard all recovery state associated with those packets

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"credit-based scheme is used to limit stream creation" is the only instance of "credit-based", but there are lots of uses of the word "credit", often in the context of discussing flow control or stream limits.  I suspect that fixing this would be too disruptive.

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<p>"credit-based scheme is used to limit stream creation" is the only instance of "credit-based", but there are lots of uses of the word "credit", often in the context of discussing flow control or stream limits.  I suspect that fixing this would be too disruptive.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

In this case, you can simply do "type specific", since type-specific is not an adjective before a noun (like "type-specific bits"). But this is good too.



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<p>In this case, you can simply do "type specific", since type-specific is not an adjective before a noun (like "type-specific bits"). But this is good too.</p>

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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  I don't know how to hyphenate packet type specific

So I rewrote the sentence instead.

Closes #4680.


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  Merge pull request #4705 from quicwg/packet-type-specific

I don't know how to hyphenate packet type specific


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/0acdfddd83c4...a446b2d535fd


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<p>This is a great example of red-tape.</p>
<p>In any case, I think we can explicitly disavow anything here and say that the content of the field is not-defined and while it might be a good idea to make it something that can be rendered as text, it is for diagnostic purposes and does not need to be comprehensible to anyone other than the entity that generated it.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

I can see how this duplicates text from the next section and so is safe to remove.  Thanks for separating and providing independent justification.  I missed the justification before.



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<p>I can see how this duplicates text from the next section and so is safe to remove.  Thanks for separating and providing independent justification.  I missed the justification before.</p>

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It's a fine point, but I wouldn't object to making that change in line with other 0-RTT changes.

I think that the chances of ever seeing non-resumption 0-RTT are so remote as to be irrelevant, but we can still be accurate.

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<p>It's a fine point, but I wouldn't object to making that change in line with other 0-RTT changes.</p>
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I don't think we need to do anything in response to that.  Those messages are carried by QUIC.

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The prevailing view was that it was possible to pursue both, but those would result in a state fork and so the rules we define would apply to each fork.  Concretely, if you get two packets, you could follow each of the four possible end states to its logical conclusion with the spec rules applying to each independently.

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<p>The prevailing view was that it was possible to pursue both, but those would result in a state fork and so the rules we define would apply to each fork.  Concretely, if you get two packets, you could follow each of the four possible end states to its logical conclusion with the spec rules applying to each independently.</p>
<p>Of course, there is an inconsistency here.  We mandate that clients dump state in response to receiving Version Negotiation, so the discard rule is basically impossible to comply with.</p>

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If you never intend to use another NEW_CONNECTION_ID ever, then sure.  But we assume that you might.

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<p>If you never intend to use another NEW_CONNECTION_ID ever, then sure.  But we assume that you might.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/leak-update
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/51f3305947af552f5959f3f8f24c7a2a43b79aae
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
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  one PTO, not three



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This is correct.  There was a time where PATH_CHALLENGE could be sent in other types of packet, which would have made this possible but still likely inadvisable.  As it is, this is correct.

(I think we're going to conflict with other changes, but we'll just have to see.)

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<p>This is correct.  There was a time where PATH_CHALLENGE could be sent in other types of packet, which would have made this possible but still likely inadvisable.  As it is, this is correct.</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  A minimum-length varint encoding is not mandatory

With one exception.

Closes #4678.


  Commit: 34aef8077aea2bb8be47ce7401cf110329bbbe2e
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  Merge pull request #4704 from quicwg/non-optimal-varint

A minimum-length varint encoding is not mandatory


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Closes #4675.


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a stream, not any stream


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Reorder bidi clause for Recv


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Any other bids?

> +Packet diagrams in this document use a format taken from {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} to
+illustrate the order and size of fields.  That format is defined in this
+section.

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The format of packets is described using the notation defined in this section.
This notation is the same as that used in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 9d94e537bcf4f5e9ba0c8a78b024050eb6855233
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9d94e537bcf4f5e9ba0c8a78b024050eb6855233
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  The application reads the Reset not the RST

Using words rather than weird acrobreviations is good.  This isn't
RESET_STREAM as we aren't really talking about the frame, but the
information it carries.

Closes #4673.


  Commit: aafd6ea36cd25e9fbd6236eb457714a4c4e6af91
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/aafd6ea36cd25e9fbd6236eb457714a4c4e6af91
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-10 (Sun, 10 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4701 from quicwg/app-rd-rst

The application reads the Reset not the RST


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/22184fff53fd...aafd6ea36cd2


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Because that is where contention occurs.

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

one suggestion but lgtm

> +depending on the stream and endpoint role.  Bidirectional streams use both state
+machines at both endpoints.  For the most part, the use of these state machines
+is the same whether the stream is unidirectional or bidirectional.  The

I've only added "type" in "stream type", but edited the rest for lint.

```suggestion
depending on the stream type and endpoint role. Bidirectional streams use both
state machines at both endpoints. For the most part, the use of these state
machines is the same whether the stream is unidirectional or bidirectional. The
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Closes #4664.


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  More words about which state machine where

Closes #4672.


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Merged #4700 into master.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2020-12-23 (Wed, 23 Dec 2020)

  Changed paths:
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  Transport parameters can be used before they are authentic

This is OK, but only in a limited fashion.


  Commit: 46b211e418eb1d6edf56f66127b9d59a6376afa1
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  Sure, fine

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: 484cba8edd7a7fb23a706b3cf71b7bd83556d6b7
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  Wrap


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  Merge pull request #4463 from quicwg/tp-availability

Transport parameters can be used before they are authentic


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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

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> @@ -723,12 +723,12 @@ frames but is invalid due to:
 - the inclusion of uppercase field names, or
 - the inclusion of invalid characters in field names or values.
 
-A request or response that includes payload data can include a
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-payload, as described in Section 6.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}, can have a non-zero
-Content-Length field, even though no content is included in DATA frames.
+A request or response that is defined as having content when it contains a
+Content-Length header field, as described in Section 6.4.1 of {{!SEMANTICS}},

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Content-Length header field (Section 6.4.1 of {{!SEMANTICS}}),
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Closes #4497.


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Explain TLS/QUIC key update differences


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Merged #4576 into master.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: 9681fb054215fb6a7e36d80e524ff59fa11bdd5c
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Rewrite text on timing leaks for key generation

Some of this is just forward reference, but it does need a little more
context.

Also, there was a missing word.

Closes #4498.


  Commit: 3d699daae4a7cefc47fc8255c239174607cab806
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  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

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  Use current, next, subsequent

This is really hard to explain in words, but I think that this
formulation is a little easier to grok.

Closes #4499.


  Commit: c03a5360703b9b2c516fba442bc7437b05351990
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  Don't bother with that

Co-authored-by: Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com>


  Commit: 51f3305947af552f5959f3f8f24c7a2a43b79aae
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  one PTO, not three


  Commit: ffb5cd36e8bc897ca020dc049fed2f19d7f609f9
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  Merge pull request #4577 from quicwg/leak-update

Rewrite text on timing leaks for key generation


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/3b54ffa345c4...ffb5cd36e8bc


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37786b0e83a019e78a7eba226be5b7973c435f88  Merge branch 'master' into zero-or-more-occurrences


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Ellipsis refers to zero or more occurences

Not repetitions, which might be read to mean one or more occurrences.

This change will conflict, but the conflict is easy to resolve.

Closes #4609.


  Commit: f163528dabf004bd01806252fa6e3b7d5ae419d5
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

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  instances

Co-authored-by: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>


  Commit: 37786b0e83a019e78a7eba226be5b7973c435f88
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  Merge branch 'master' into zero-or-more-occurrences


  Commit: e8f13a78d174d734d02758c557f9d54c60902892
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4626 from quicwg/zero-or-more-occurrences

Ellipsis refers to zero or more occurences


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...involves citing the complete rules.

This text was clearly a little out of date.  Fixing it would have
resulted in repeating what I am now just citing.

Hijacking @MikeBishop's pull request, which I hope is OK.



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In case my intention isn't clear (again as an individual), the WG discussed this previously and found a resolution reflected in the current text. I'm not seeing any new information in the meantime to warrant revisiting that decision. I am concerned that a change at this stage is disruptive to existing implementations and deployments of QUIC.

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One suggestion, but this is good.

> @@ -1419,11 +1419,12 @@ expectation that it will eventually receive an Initial packet.
 
 ## Handling Version Negotiation Packets {#handle-vn}
 
-Version Negotiation packets are designed to allow future versions of QUIC to
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+between endpoints.  Future standards-track specifications might change how

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Though we recommend the use of text in UTF-8, we don't provide all of
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translations and all that mess.  Be very explicit about that.

(This is a recurring problem; we had the same problem with HTTP/2 and it
might be worth updating BCP 18 for this.)

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Though we recommend the use of text in UTF-8, we don&#39;t provide all of
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translations and all that mess.  Be very explicit about that.

(This is a recurring problem; we had the same problem with HTTP/2 and it
might be worth updating BCP 18 for this.)

Closes #4647.
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<p>Though we recommend the use of text in UTF-8, we don't provide all of<br>
the machinery necessary for true internationalization, like multiple<br>
translations and all that mess.  Be very explicit about that.</p>
<p>(This is a recurring problem; we had the same problem with HTTP/2 and it<br>
might be worth updating BCP 18 for this.)</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4647.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780968595" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4647" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4647/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4647">#4647</a>.</p>

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I will say that examples are important, so thank you for going through them, @kaduk!

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  Tidy up "sending version negotiation packets"

There was a sentence in this section that seems to be specifying
how to handle a version negotiation packet, not how to send one,
and as such is out of place.


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  Future-proof how we cover Version Negotiation

Attempt to more accurately reflect the expectations of the WG for
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should be in the absence of a version negotiation mechanism.
In particular, this work is to be done by the IETF, not by arbitrary
future versions of QUIC, so we retain control over how it will be
developed and deployed.

Also accommodate the possibility of new versions of QUIC appearing
before version negotiation is defined.

Fixes: #4607


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  Revert "Tidy up "sending version negotiation packets""

This reverts commit 9d9dcb5da97a505aa6ab324e52484206c403bbe6.
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  Remove over-zealous forward-looking statement


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  VN is just for a connection

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: dfa33c905c520e9d7126b6b7c93c25b179a3e475
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  Merge pull request #4697 from kaduk/version-nego

Update discussion of Version Negotiation


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/43b2f3ab90ad...dfa33c905c52


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  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Restructure both three things


  Commit: 12be9bbd39852597aedaee41fc178fe4c977609c
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  Log Message:
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  A more robust definition of key discard

...involves citing the complete rules.

This text was clearly a little out of date.  Fixing it would have
resulted in repeating what I am now just citing.

Hijacking @MikeBishop's pull request, which I hope is OK.


  Commit: fd3a947f4d3bfec48a69cbe7c9111fb6be02f139
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  Merge pull request #4693 from quicwg/tls/kaduk10

Restructure both three things


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/dfa33c905c52...fd3a947f4d3b


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> @@ -5113,6 +5113,8 @@ discussed in {{?QUIC-MANAGEABILITY=I-D.ietf-quic-manageability}}.
 
 The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that
 chooses to support the spin bit MUST implement it as specified in this section.
+A QUIC stack that chooses not to support the spin bit MUST behave as if it were

Use of "QUIC stack" is also odd. I like @martinthomson 's simpler suggestion.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4691#discussion_r554668300">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -5113,6 +5113,8 @@ discussed in {{?QUIC-MANAGEABILITY=I-D.ietf-quic-manageability}}.
 
 The spin bit is an OPTIONAL feature of this version of QUIC. A QUIC stack that
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+A QUIC stack that chooses not to support the spin bit MUST behave as if it were
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@martinthomson pushed 1 commit.

f39d6be45c40d96e69be07bd012033bc8fb94022  Remove bad recommendation


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  Tidy up "sending version negotiation packets"

There was a sentence in this section that seems to be specifying
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  Commit: c2956a2e14be772b6c96ccc15e91760fb808e254
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Tidy up "sending version negotiation packets"


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  Merge pull request #4691 from quicwg/transport/wilton1

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For clarity, I do not plan to take a position on the question since I am not much of an authority on the matter; I have asked the ART ADs if they can weigh in.
I think we have somewhat recently marked a field as being "for debugging purposes" or "not intended to be displayed to the user" but don't remember it clearly enough to have search terms to actually find it as an example.

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<p>For clarity, I do not plan to take a position on the question since I am not much of an authority on the matter; I have asked the ART ADs if they can weigh in.<br>
I think we have somewhat recently marked a field as being "for debugging purposes" or "not intended to be displayed to the user" but don't remember it clearly enough to have search terms to actually find it as an example.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

I think this is much clearer. Also, I might argue that it doesn't need to be human-readable, since there is no expectation here about how this information is to be consumed.



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<p>I think this is much clearer. Also, I might argue that it doesn't need to be human-readable, since there is no expectation here about how this information is to be consumed.</p>

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I think @martinthomson 's fix in #4722 makes it so that this is not necessarily "human readable". I think that fixes this issue by defining the field differently (though still accurately), so I'm going to merge that and close this issue.

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  Reason phrase might be incomprehensible

Though we recommend the use of text in UTF-8, we don't provide all of
the machinery necessary for true internationalization, like multiple
translations and all that mess.  Be very explicit about that.

(This is a recurring problem; we had the same problem with HTTP/2 and it
might be worth updating BCP 18 for this.)

Closes #4647.


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  Merge pull request #4722 from quicwg/reason-phrase-opaque

Reason phrase might be incomprehensible


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This isn't constraining the contents of a VN packet broadly, it is constraining what a v1 sender sends in a VN packet. And, I don't think it's reasonable to require that P2P protocols shouldn't need to use VN.

My high-level point is this: IIRC, we had this SHOULD for co-existence with P2P protocols, and we went through a lot of discussion, especially with ART folks on this. Do we really want to re-litigate this point at this stage in the process?

Maybe I'm mis-remembering. If I am, and this SHOULD was there for a different reason that is no longer valid (or never was important), I'm happy to remove this.

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<p>This isn't constraining the contents of a VN packet broadly, it is constraining what a v1 sender sends in a VN packet. And, I don't think it's reasonable to require that P2P protocols shouldn't need to use VN.</p>
<p>My high-level point is this: IIRC, we had this SHOULD for co-existence with P2P protocols, and we went through a lot of discussion, especially with ART folks on this. Do we really want to re-litigate this point at this stage in the process?</p>
<p>Maybe I'm mis-remembering. If I am, and this SHOULD was there for a different reason that is no longer valid (or never was important), I'm happy to remove this.</p>

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> @@ -132,7 +132,8 @@ the encryption level and includes a packet sequence number (referred to below as
 a packet number).  The encryption level indicates the packet number space, as
 described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  Packet numbers never repeat within a packet
 number space for the lifetime of a connection.  Packet numbers are sent in
-monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.
+monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.  It is
+permitted for some packet numbers to never be used, leaving intentional gaps.

The algorithm does not assume the absence of gaps -- Section 6.1 says: `The packet was sent kPacketThreshold packets before an acknowledged packet`. The pseudo-code does assume it though, and where it does, it is stated in a comment (see A.10).

All in all, I think this addition is safe.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r554775003">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -132,7 +132,8 @@ the encryption level and includes a packet sequence number (referred to below as
 a packet number).  The encryption level indicates the packet number space, as
 described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  Packet numbers never repeat within a packet
 number space for the lifetime of a connection.  Packet numbers are sent in
-monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.
+monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.  It is
+permitted for some packet numbers to never be used, leaving intentional gaps.
</pre>
<p>The algorithm does not assume the absence of gaps -- Section 6.1 says: <code>The packet was sent kPacketThreshold packets before an acknowledged packet</code>. The pseudo-code does assume it though, and where it does, it is stated in a comment (see A.10).</p>
<p>All in all, I think this addition is safe.</p>

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c3a2231b78208313d7f5cecab0b3292ca3d5cf8d  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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I think all of these are good. @ianswett -- feel free to merge after you've had a chance to review.



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<p>I think all of these are good. <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> -- feel free to merge after you've had a chance to review.</p>

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Resumption is not quite the basis of 0-RTT, since it is also allowed to
pre-provision an external PSK and other parameters and do 0-RTT that
way.  This also allows a rewording to avoid implying that 0-RTT would
need to be enabled by configuration, since it is supposed to just be
&quot;on by default&quot;.

Fixes: #4477
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  * Finesse relationship of resumption and 0-RTT

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (4)

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<p>Resumption is not quite the basis of 0-RTT, since it is also allowed to<br>
pre-provision an external PSK and other parameters and do 0-RTT that<br>
way.  This also allows a rewording to avoid implying that 0-RTT would<br>
need to be enabled by configuration, since it is supposed to just be<br>
"on by default".</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4477.">Fixes</span>: <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779910609" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4477" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4477/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4477">#4477</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Finesse relationship of resumption and 0-RTT</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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I will defer to your preference, but I do not agree that "those messages" are carried by QUIC; QUIC does not carry TLS Alert structures.

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<p>I will defer to your preference, but I do not agree that "those messages" are carried by QUIC; QUIC does not carry TLS Alert structures.</p>

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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

A couple of nits, which I'll commit, but otherwise lgtm.

> @@ -5293,8 +5303,8 @@ disable_active_migration (0x0c):
 
 : The disable active migration transport parameter is included if the endpoint
   does not support active connection migration ({{migration}}) on the address
-  being used during the handshake.  When a peer sets this transport parameter,
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+  parameter MUST NOT use a a new local address when sending to the address that

```suggestion
  parameter MUST NOT use a new local address when sending to the address that
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> @@ -5492,15 +5504,14 @@ ACK Delay:
 
 ACK Range Count:
 
-: A variable-length integer specifying the number of Gap and ACK Range fields in
+: A variable-length integer specifying the number of ACK Range fields in

This is a good improvement -- thanks!

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 5206f03421c2aeb95f726fd532c042a9ce40a74c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/5206f03421c2aeb95f726fd532c042a9ce40a74c
  Author: Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Editorial suggestions from IESG Evaluation


  Commit: 2dd11b946d975a37a1503d276e9eb2beae82d0d9
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2dd11b946d975a37a1503d276e9eb2beae82d0d9
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  Date:   2021-01-09 (Sat, 09 Jan 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  Apply suggestions from code review

In particular, some changes were flat-out incorrect and needed to be reverted.

Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


  Commit: d1a7c14e40b0321db0fb96a2eedf3cb0bb4ce5c7
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  Date:   2021-01-09 (Sat, 09 Jan 2021)

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  Manually revert chunks not done via github

Review comments wanted to undo some bits; do so.


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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  Rewrap to 80 columns


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-transport.md


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  Merge branch 'master' into transport-iesg-eval


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  lint


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  Merge pull request #4597 from kaduk/transport-iesg-eval

Editorial suggestions from Benjamin Kaduk (transport)


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Thank you for expounding on the previous WG discussions; the impression I got just from the text in the I-D was something different than that.  Let's close with no change.

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<p>Thank you for expounding on the previous WG discussions; the impression I got just from the text in the I-D was something different than that.  Let's close with no change.</p>

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I have seen other ADs ballot Discuss for situations like this (though admittedly not very often).
Please go ahead and close with no change, though.

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<p>I have seen other ADs ballot Discuss for situations like this (though admittedly not very often).<br>
Please go ahead and close with no change, though.</p>

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Sounds good.  (I am probably hyper-sensitized to this given how much time we spent on it for DTLS in the context of the injectivity of the MAC construction.)

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<p>Sounds good.  (I am probably hyper-sensitized to this given how much time we spent on it for DTLS in the context of the injectivity of the MAC construction.)</p>

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I was not intending to make a suggestion for textual change, no.  Martin framed the analysis of what's going on here better than I did -- thanks for that!  (So, close with no change.)

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<p>I was not intending to make a suggestion for textual change, no.  Martin framed the analysis of what's going on here better than I did -- thanks for that!  (So, close with no change.)</p>

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> @@ -132,7 +132,8 @@ the encryption level and includes a packet sequence number (referred to below as
 a packet number).  The encryption level indicates the packet number space, as
 described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  Packet numbers never repeat within a packet
 number space for the lifetime of a connection.  Packet numbers are sent in
-monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.
+monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.  It is
+permitted for some packet numbers to never be used, leaving intentional gaps.

My expectations matched what Jana describes.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4685#discussion_r554863464">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -132,7 +132,8 @@ the encryption level and includes a packet sequence number (referred to below as
 a packet number).  The encryption level indicates the packet number space, as
 described in {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.  Packet numbers never repeat within a packet
 number space for the lifetime of a connection.  Packet numbers are sent in
-monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.
+monotonically increasing order within a space, preventing ambiguity.  It is
+permitted for some packet numbers to never be used, leaving intentional gaps.
</pre>
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> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
+the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream at any time, as

This paragraph is discussing stream and connection level flow control, so I think some mention of the latter should be included.  We could say "on a single stream as well as across all streams at any time" if you prefer?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4719#discussion_r555096526">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
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-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
+the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream at any time, as
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<p>This paragraph is discussing stream and connection level flow control, so I think some mention of the latter should be included.  We could say "on a single stream as well as across all streams at any time" if you prefer?</p>

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  Merge pull request #78 from huitema/retry-sec-issues

Add security considerations for retry token encryption


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Using "optionally" inside "might wish to" seems overly wishy-washy.  How about "employing a new connection ID, source UDP port, and/or IP address (see {{?RFC4941}})...."?

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<p>Using "optionally" inside "might wish to" seems overly wishy-washy.  How about "employing a new connection ID, source UDP port, and/or IP address (see {{?RFC4941}})...."?</p>

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> @@ -819,14 +819,13 @@ frame.
 
 # Flow Control {#flow-control}
 
-It is necessary to limit the amount of data that a receiver could buffer, to
-prevent a fast sender from overwhelming a slow receiver, or to prevent a
-malicious sender from consuming a large amount of memory at a receiver.  To
-enable a receiver to limit memory commitment to a connection and to apply back
-pressure on the sender, streams are flow controlled both individually and as an
-aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls the maximum amount of data the sender can
-send on a stream at any time, as described in {{data-flow-control}} and
-{{fc-credit}}.
+Receivers need to limit the amount of data that they are required to buffer, in
+order to prevent a fast sender from overwhelming them or a malicious sender from
+consuming a large amount of memory.  To enable a receiver to limit memory
+commitment to a connection and to apply back pressure on the sender, streams are
+flow controlled both individually and as an aggregate.  A QUIC receiver controls
+the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream at any time, as

```suggestion
the maximum amount of data the sender can send on a stream as well as across all streams at any time, as
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  Branch: refs/heads/transport/fc_intro
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/781d2392c859c0e65d3e69a16332b20e1cf44c47
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Apply suggestions from code review

Will need a rewrap, I'm sure.

Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>



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  Branch: refs/heads/transport/fc_intro
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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I reverted the `sampled_bytes`/`sampled_data` stuff and proposed an alternative local rewording in the prose that doesn't affect the variable name or pseudocode.

I did not revert the "Handshake Layer"-->"Content Layer" change, and would still like to hear what @ekr thinks about that topic.

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<p>I reverted the <code>sampled_bytes</code>/<code>sampled_data</code> stuff and proposed an alternative local rewording in the prose that doesn't affect the variable name or pseudocode.</p>
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Cleanup of ECMP/Low-config design


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Sorry to come in later, after Jana already closed this, but I think the r=
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9eac7301d3a964085ecb07652c69b04e75efe535
  Author: Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu>
  Date:   2021-01-10 (Sun, 10 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

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  Finesse relationship of resumption and 0-RTT

Resumption is not quite the basis of 0-RTT, since it is also allowed to
pre-provision an external PSK and other parameters and do 0-RTT that
way.  This also allows a rewording to avoid implying that 0-RTT would
need to be enabled by configuration, since it is supposed to just be
"on by default".

Fixes: #4477


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  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

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  Merge pull request #4723 from kaduk/zrtt

Finesse relationship of resumption and 0-RTT


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Many stacks also increase their buffer allocations in response to increases in perceived BDP.

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<p>Many stacks also increase their buffer allocations in response to increases in perceived BDP.</p>

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Will need a rewrap, I'm sure.

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  Merge pull request #4719 from quicwg/transport/fc_intro

Flow control intro sentence


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> +Packet diagrams in this document use a format taken from {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} to
+illustrate the order and size of fields.  That format is defined in this
+section.

@martinthomson : your suggestion works for me.

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<p><b>@janaiyengar</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4718#discussion_r555466557">draft-ietf-quic-invariants.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Packet diagrams in this document use a format taken from {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}} to
+illustrate the order and size of fields.  That format is defined in this
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Closes #4708.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4708.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781789666" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4708" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4708/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4708">#4708</a>.</p>

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This should be fixed. I've sent out #4724.

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<p>This should be fixed. I've sent out <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="783856155" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4724" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4724/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4724">#4724</a>.</p>

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`ack_delay` in an ACK frame is recorded as the time since the `largest_acknowledged` packet was received. If the `largest_acknowledged` does not change as subsequent ACK frames are sent by the receiver, `ack_delay` only increases in subsequent ACK frames. Now, if there's no acknowledgement loss, the receiver of acknowledgements would read the first `ack_delay` in the first such ACK frame. If there is loss however, the receiver of acknowledgements would read only subsequent ACK frames, which might have `ack_delay` that is larger than `max_ack_delay`.

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<p><code>ack_delay</code> in an ACK frame is recorded as the time since the <code>largest_acknowledged</code> packet was received. If the <code>largest_acknowledged</code> does not change as subsequent ACK frames are sent by the receiver, <code>ack_delay</code> only increases in subsequent ACK frames. Now, if there's no acknowledgement loss, the receiver of acknowledgements would read the first <code>ack_delay</code> in the first such ACK frame. If there is loss however, the receiver of acknowledgements would read only subsequent ACK frames, which might have <code>ack_delay</code> that is larger than <code>max_ack_delay</code>.</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/invariants/import_notation
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  Changed paths:
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: 05ea41093a6fbaf67bcbfdd90b91b86c3478f08e
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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

The natural question that follows will be "which period of time", but I think that is [adequately answered](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-recovery.html#section-5.2-6) already.

> @@ -271,7 +271,7 @@ when it is acknowledged as a round-trip time (RTT) sample.  The endpoint uses
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... is good for linkability.

Closes #4531.



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... is good for linkability.

Closes #4531.
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<p>... is good for linkability.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4531.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779966434" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4531" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4531/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4531">#4531</a>.</p>

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This was a little tricky as the current text already had what we wanted.
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This was a little tricky as the current text already had what we wanted.
But it wasn&#39;t quite clear on rationale, so I added some of that.

Closes #4533.
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<p>This was a little tricky as the current text already had what we wanted.<br>
But it wasn't quite clear on rationale, so I added some of that.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4533.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779967143" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4533" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4533/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4533">#4533</a>.</p>

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4ef9ba61235715d8f238db0ebf27aac8acd59d6e  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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The value the client puts in the Destination Connection ID field is not
random, but unpredictable.  But we could be clearer and just say what
this refers to.

The second error here was that the server can&#39;t use the value it puts in
Retry.  Rather than talk about retaining the values, I&#39;m striking that
clause.

Closes #4677.
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<p>The value the client puts in the Destination Connection ID field is not<br>
random, but unpredictable.  But we could be clearer and just say what<br>
this refers to.</p>
<p>The second error here was that the server can't use the value it puts in<br>
Retry.  Rather than talk about retaining the values, I'm striking that<br>
clause.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4677.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780983664" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4677" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4677/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4677">#4677</a>.</p>

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Closes #4712.
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  * Remove redundant sentence

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (10)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4712.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781790625" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4712" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4712/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4712">#4712</a>.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

This changes the emphasis slightly, but in a good way.



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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This changes the emphasis slightly, but in a good way.</p>

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@martinthomson pushed 2 commits.

bcf28d9891539d30f98cb5e0aa11a791696e7265  Merge branch 'master' into pr4473
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That's right.  Maybe we should have been more studious in capturing reasons.

I think that for those P2P applications that care about multiplexing, this is a non-issue.  Those applications can use their signaling channel to ensure that version negotiation does not happen.  If things get badly out of hand, endpoints can ensure that Version Negotiation packets are sent with the bit set to conform to other constraints.

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<p>That's right.  Maybe we should have been more studious in capturing reasons.</p>
<p>I think that for those P2P applications that care about multiplexing, this is a non-issue.  Those applications can use their signaling channel to ensure that version negotiation does not happen.  If things get badly out of hand, endpoints can ensure that Version Negotiation packets are sent with the bit set to conform to other constraints.</p>

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Closes #4713.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Fix units for pacing and a couple of related nits

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (9)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4713.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781791142" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4713" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4713/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4713">#4713</a>.</p>

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Closes #4714.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4730

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  * Delay is controllable by an attacker too

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (11)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4714.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781791398" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4714" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4714/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4714">#4714</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Delay is controllable by an attacker too</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4730.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4730.patch</a></li>
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  ^ expresses exponentiation



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> I think that for those P2P applications that care about multiplexing, this is a non-issue. Those applications can use their signaling channel to ensure that version negotiation does not happen.

That applies to peers discovered during the execution of the p2p protocol. Every p2p network has some hard-coded bootstrap nodes though, for which the QUIC version might not be known in advance.

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<p>That applies to peers discovered during the execution of the p2p protocol. Every p2p network has some hard-coded bootstrap nodes though, for which the QUIC version might not be known in advance.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/exponent
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
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... and the title tests for input sanitization in scripts.

Closes #4715.
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  * ^ expresses exponentiation
  * quotes

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<p>... and the title tests for input sanitization in scripts.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4715.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781791610" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4715" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4715/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4715">#4715</a>.</p>

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I'm not detecting any action here, just a reaffirmation of existing decisions with a repetition of the rationale.  And some new sky-castle building.

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<p>I think we're OK to close this one.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

Yep, it's open season on delay too.

Sorry about the suggestions.

>  
-Congestion control fundamentally involves the consumption of signals -- both
-loss and ECN codepoints -- from unauthenticated entities.  On-path attackers can
-spoof or alter these signals.  An attacker can cause endpoints to reduce their
-sending rate by dropping packets, or alter send rate by changing ECN codepoints.
+Loss detection and congestion control fundamentally involve the consumption of
+signals -- delay, loss, and ECN codepoints -- from unauthenticated entities.
+On-path attackers can spoof or alter these signals. An attacker can cause

I think you should avoid "on-path" here.  Other types of attackers can alter these signals as well under certain conditions.

```suggestion
Attackers can spoof or alter these signals. An attacker can cause
```

>  
-Congestion control fundamentally involves the consumption of signals -- both
-loss and ECN codepoints -- from unauthenticated entities.  On-path attackers can
-spoof or alter these signals.  An attacker can cause endpoints to reduce their
-sending rate by dropping packets, or alter send rate by changing ECN codepoints.
+Loss detection and congestion control fundamentally involve the consumption of
+signals -- delay, loss, and ECN codepoints -- from unauthenticated entities.

```suggestion
signals from unauthenticated entities.  Attackers can spoof or alter delay, loss, and ECN markings.
```

em-dash is always icky.

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I just realized that we aren't particular consistent:  ^ means XOR in some other places...



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  Branch: refs/heads/xor-nor-exp
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
  -----------
  XOR, not exponentitiation



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This is not an editorial comment, so I can't close it, but I propose that we do so.

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As this is an issue the working group has consensus on, I don't think we should change anything.  However, it is more than simply editorial, so I can't close the issue.  I propose that we do though.

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This is not an editorial issue.  I think that it is an excellent question, and definitely the sort of question I would expect the IESG to press on.  FWIW, I think that this response would be totally unreasonable if this were TCP instead of UDP, which implies that there is a degree of subjectivity involved in the decision.

The working group position suggests no action, but I want to confirm that @rdanyliw is satisfied with that response.  As this was only a comment, not DISCUSS, I'm going to assume that this is OK unless I'm told otherwise.

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<p>This is not an editorial issue.  I think that it is an excellent question, and definitely the sort of question I would expect the IESG to press on.  FWIW, I think that this response would be totally unreasonable if this were TCP instead of UDP, which implies that there is a degree of subjectivity involved in the decision.</p>
<p>The working group position suggests no action, but I want to confirm that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/rdanyliw/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/rdanyliw">@rdanyliw</a> is satisfied with that response.  As this was only a comment, not DISCUSS, I'm going to assume that this is OK unless I'm told otherwise.</p>

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I consider this a misunderstanding that is better corrected with more reading than with more text.  I propose no change.

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Closed #4619.

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Action here is for the DTLS spec, not the QUIC one.

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This is probably something we need a consensus call on, even though it's a change only in theory.

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Closed #4495.

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Would it help to more tightly scope the definition of "networks"? One absurd reading is that QUIC should not be deployed on Internet facing networks because there is not a 0% chance of some unsecured UDP listening host somewhere.

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<p>Would it help to more tightly scope the definition of "networks"? One absurd reading is that QUIC should not be deployed on Internet facing networks because there is not a 0% chance of some unsecured UDP listening host somewhere.</p>

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I think we might be able to say "networks without ingress filtering [BCP38]".  Servers are only vulnerable to these attacks if they (or their network) permits source address spoofing.

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Given that ^ is used in in the recovery draft in exactly 2 places, I'm happy to change it here if you have a better suggestion. I think that not being consistent is ok -- the context should make it clear, and stating it explicitly in the recovery draft makes it clear here at least.

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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
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  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Condition deployment recommendation on BCP 38

This is already something we recommend separately, but this is a SHOULD
and the extra is useful.

Closes #4566.



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This is already something we recommend separately, but this is a SHOULD
and the extra is useful.

Closes #4566.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4733

-- Commit Summary --

  * Condition deployment recommendation on BCP 38

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p>This is already something we recommend separately, but this is a SHOULD<br>
and the extra is useful.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4566.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780002285" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4566" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4566/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4566">#4566</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Condition deployment recommendation on BCP 38</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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Closes #4710.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4710.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781790133" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4710" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4710/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4710">#4710</a>.</p>

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Yes, this should be only about handshake confirmation. Thanks for catching this!

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It all belongs in the same place.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4735

-- Commit Summary --

  * Move HANDSHAKE_DONE requirement up

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7)

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<p>It all belongs in the same place.</p>

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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Move HANDSHAKE_DONE requirement up</li>
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Let's do this, I've a fix for the one XOR case in -tls.



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Closes #4711.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4736

-- Commit Summary --

  * sync
  * Not unauthenticated, but packets it cannot process

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4711.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781790399" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4711" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4711/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4711">#4711</a>.</p>

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I think the addition of BCP 38 makes it much more pointed and realistic. Overall, this is an important cautionary note. We decided that instead of trying to fix this in the protocol, it made sense to force those deploying QUIC to consider the implications of the environment in which they are doing it.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: e7723680f9b01d778b114418f5a1723b3ed3c454
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/e7723680f9b01d778b114418f5a1723b3ed3c454
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Two small tweaks to connection IDs

The value the client puts in the Destination Connection ID field is not
random, but unpredictable.  But we could be clearer and just say what
this refers to.

The second error here was that the server can't use the value it puts in
Retry.  Rather than talk about retaining the values, I'm striking that
clause.

Closes #4677.


  Commit: f5b42d4f9ddfa08bc7dc34c4a70dbc75fc3ecc66
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f5b42d4f9ddfa08bc7dc34c4a70dbc75fc3ecc66
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4727 from quicwg/initial-random-cid

Two small tweaks to connection IDs


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/05ea41093a6f...f5b42d4f9ddf


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Merged #4727 into master.

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.



> +A client might wish to reduce linkability by switching to a new connection ID,
+source UDP port, or IP address (see {{?RFC4941}}) when sending traffic after a
+period of inactivity.  Changing the UDP port from which it sends packets at the
+same time might cause the packet to appear as a connection migration. This
+ensures that the mechanisms that support migration are exercised even for
+clients that do not experience NAT rebindings or genuine migrations.  Changing
+port number can cause a peer to reset its congestion control state (see
+{{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed infrequently.

You need to include "IP address" in subsequent sentences. I started doing that and found myself rewording more than just that.

```suggestion
A client can reduce linkability by switching to a new connection ID, changing
its source IP address (see {{?RFC4941}}), or changing its source port when
sending traffic after a period of inactivity. Changing a client's source IP
address or source port might cause the server to detect a connection migration,
ensuring that mechanisms that support migration are exercised even when clients
do not experience NAT rebindings or genuine migrations. The source IP address or
port number SHOULD only be changed infrequently at a client, since every change
can cause the server to reset its congestion control state (see
{{migration-cc}}).
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@kaduk is there any further need for clarification?

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Reword flow label generation to avoid restating RFC 6437

This was a little tricky as the current text already had what we wanted.
But it wasn't quite clear on rationale, so I added some of that.

Closes #4533.


  Commit: fcc8855d1ea42fd478f4ca801eeece1b06ccae51
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  Merge pull request #4726 from quicwg/dont-restate-requirements

Reword flow label generation to avoid restating RFC 6437


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/f5b42d4f9ddf...fcc8855d1ea4


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Closed #4533 via #4726.

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If #4589 is "close with no action", so is this one.

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<p>If <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780613847" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4589" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4589/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4589">#4589</a> is "close with no action", so is this one.</p>

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I'm reading this as "close with no action".

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<p>I'm reading this as "close with no action".</p>

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@MikeBishop text is in the first paragraph of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-33#section-3

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It might be useful to point to the specific section in -transport that @ianswett mentioned in his comment. Anyone care to propose a PR?

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<p>It might be useful to point to the specific section in -transport that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/ianswett/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/ianswett">@ianswett</a> mentioned in his comment. Anyone care to propose a PR?</p>

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I'm reading this discussion as "close with no action". Or does someone want to propose a PR that makes the UDP invariant clearer?

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  Branch: refs/heads/pnref
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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Since #4471 is design, marking this as such, too.

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<p>Since <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778451228" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4471" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4471">#4471</a> is design, marking this as such, too.</p>

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Closes #4555.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * More precise reference

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4555.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779992188" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4555" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4555/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4555">#4555</a>.</p>

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Close with no action. If the question of "should UDP be invariant", I think it is, but I also don't think we need to resolve this now.

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I'm labelling this as editorial, since the request was to "add some indication", which doesn't sound like normative text. If someone would like to argue for adding such text, please prepare a PR.

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<p>I'm labelling this as editorial, since the request was to "add some indication", which doesn't sound like normative text. If someone would like to argue for adding such text, please prepare a PR.</p>

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@rdanyliw could you comment on the proposed resolution?

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This is related to #4511 

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I propose close with no action. I'm fine without the MUST even, but I can see the argument that it is useful in requiring authentication. I don't see the point in talking about what an endpoint _might_ do; we have to define that in a future spec.

Similar to #4697, is it worth stating that future standards-track spec will describe how to do this authentication?

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<p>I propose close with no action. I'm fine without the MUST even, but I can see the argument that it is useful in requiring authentication. I don't see the point in talking about what an endpoint <em>might</em> do; we have to define that in a future spec.</p>
<p>Similar to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781696756" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4697" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697">#4697</a>, is it worth stating that future standards-track spec will describe how to do this authentication?</p>

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They're different in that this one is about integrity protection, while #4511 is about authenticating a VN packet that leads to a new version being attempted. For this one, I think we're good to close.

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<p>They're different in that this one is about integrity protection, while <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="779947934" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4511" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4511/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4511">#4511</a> is about authenticating a VN packet that leads to a new version being attempted. For this one, I think we're good to close.</p>

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Yes, no action, since the reference makes the version of QUIC clear.

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  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

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  XOR, not exponentitiation


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  Merge pull request #4732 from quicwg/xor-not-exp

XOR, not exponentitiation


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I agree with @gloinul's response. So, yes, no action.

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> +A client might wish to reduce linkability by switching to a new connection ID,
+source UDP port, or IP address (see {{?RFC4941}}) when sending traffic after a
+period of inactivity.  Changing the UDP port from which it sends packets at the
+same time might cause the packet to appear as a connection migration. This
+ensures that the mechanisms that support migration are exercised even for
+clients that do not experience NAT rebindings or genuine migrations.  Changing
+port number can cause a peer to reset its congestion control state (see
+{{migration-cc}}), so the port SHOULD only be changed infrequently.

How about:

```suggestion
A client might wish to reduce linkability by switching to a new connection ID,
source UDP port, or IP address (see {{?RFC4941}}) when sending traffic after a
period of inactivity.  Changing the address from which it sends packets at the
same time might cause the packet to appear as a connection migration. This
ensures that the mechanisms that support migration are exercised even for
clients that do not experience NAT rebindings or genuine migrations.  Changing
address can cause a peer to reset its congestion control state (see
{{migration-cc}}), so addresses SHOULD only be changed infrequently.
```

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  Branch: refs/heads/recharter
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  Add first strawman for recharter, for discussion


  Commit: 2578fa98560cbc14f0ee097f7d24a111108da526
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

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  Soften this a little (#181)


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  Wordsmithing (#182)


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  The name of the WG is "HTTP" (#183)

httpbis is just the data tracker tag


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  Rewrap and very minor tweaks (hence no PR)


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And minor other tweaks.



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This text in `#initial-size` seems to cause confusion for implementors:
> by adding PADDING frames to the Initial packet or by coalescing the Initial packet; see {{packet-coalesce}}

since it leaves it unclear *what* the Initial packet can be coalesced with to pad it. Specifically, some implementations use zeros or other (random) data, which seems to surprise some implementors.

(`#packet-coalesce`, which is referred to, also doesn't seem to clarify this.)

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<p>This text in <code>#initial-size</code> seems to cause confusion for implementors:</p>
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<p>since it leaves it unclear <em>what</em> the Initial packet can be coalesced with to pad it. Specifically, some implementations use zeros or other (random) data, which seems to surprise some implementors.</p>
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Thanks for the refined text.  The reference to ingress filtering makes it clearer.  Consider this COMMENT resolved.

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<p>Thanks for the refined text.  The reference to ingress filtering makes it clearer.  Consider this COMMENT resolved.</p>

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@marten-seemann are those hard-coded bootstrap nodes QUIC clients or servers? We're only talking about receipt of VN packets here.

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My understanding is that transport draft does not say anything about padding outside QUIC packet.  Because a receiver is required to ignore invalid long packets, zero padding outside QUIC packet just works.  So this is "OK because it is not explicitly disallowed" category.

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<p>My understanding is that transport draft does not say anything about padding outside QUIC packet.  Because a receiver is required to ignore invalid long packets, zero padding outside QUIC packet just works.  So this is "OK because it is not explicitly disallowed" category.</p>

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I agree, but it has tripped up implementers (again). I wonder if a wording can be found that doesn't do that.

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<p>I agree, but it has tripped up implementers (again). I wonder if a wording can be found that doesn't do that.</p>

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I'd be happy to see a bit more explicit text to clarify this, since as you said, it's come up a few times as non-obvious.

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<p>I'd be happy to see a bit more explicit text to clarify this, since as you said, it's come up a few times as non-obvious.</p>

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Maybe something like: "An Initial that is padded by coalescing could be coalesced with valid or even invalid QUIC packets; the latter MUST be ignored as described in Section XYZ."

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<p>Maybe something like: "An Initial that is padded by coalescing could be coalesced with valid or even invalid QUIC packets; the latter MUST be ignored as described in Section XYZ."</p>

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> +An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving packets
+that it cannot process risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.

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An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving
unprocessable packets risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

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  Delay is controllable by an attacker too


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  Merge pull request #4730 from quicwg/rtt-too

Delay is controllable by an attacker too


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This is already something we recommend separately, but this is a SHOULD
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Condition deployment recommendation on BCP 38


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  Fix units for pacing and a couple of related nits


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  Merge pull request #4729 from quicwg/pacing

Fix units for pacing and a couple of related nits


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/fa70fc76d2f113a03e9750c42aa71afb9ad01c6a
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Merge pull request #4731 from quicwg/exponent

^ expresses exponentiation


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I don't think this is correct, since when Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, if the PTO was set based on one of those PN spaces, clearly the PTO would need to be reset.



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<p>I don't think this is correct, since when Initial or Handshake keys are discarded, if the PTO was set based on one of those PN spaces, clearly the PTO would need to be reset.</p>

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  invariants: clarify authentication requirements for version negotiation

There is no need to authenticate specificaly the bits contained in the
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on.  Since the authentication of this information is likely to occur
out of band from the Version Negotiation packet itself (e.g., by
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  TLS does not have a "Handshake Layer"

Just several sub-protocols that carry different content over the
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  Drop the "Perfect" from PFS

It isn't, really, and this is compatible with the consensus of SAAG.


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  Editorial suggestions from IESG Evaluation


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  Alernate approach for discussing sampled bytes

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  Merge branch 'master' into pr4473


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  Wrap


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  Merge pull request #4473 from kaduk/iesg-evaluation

Editorial suggestions from Benjamin Kaduk (invariants, TLS)


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> +An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving packets
+that it cannot process risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.

I don't like this change.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4736#discussion_r556179218">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving packets
+that it cannot process risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Roy T. Fielding <fielding@gbiv.com>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Use the term content instead of payload data for the message octet stream, avoiding confusion with individual fram payloads


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  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-http.md

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  Merge pull request #4698 from royfielding/master

Use the term content instead of payload data for the message octet stream


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  Changed paths:
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  A new IP

... is good for linkability.

Closes #4531.


  Commit: 0d415bafc49e90f21c320b4470aa211d6536c769
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  addresses, not just ports

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  Merge pull request #4725 from quicwg/new-ip

A new IP


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Ian is right, we would lose the Initial discard condition.  Drop the Handshake key drop condition.

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@ianswett -- you're right, but I think that only applies to Initial here, since hs confirmed is the same as hs keys getting dropped. Take a look at the new text.

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> +An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving packets
+that it cannot process risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.

Yeah, I think that this changes what an endpoint cannot do right now to a property of the packets. I'm reverting this change.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4736#discussion_r556183769">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving packets
+that it cannot process risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.
</pre>
<p>Yeah, I think that this changes what an endpoint cannot do right now to a property of the packets. I'm reverting this change.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/unauthenticated
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/33b5a53b167a687d8dc3a69195bee981b928069e
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
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  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: fe44101e855b7f9f652d26bc0a4e692bd9cbbb79
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  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  sync


  Commit: b411aee9dbb0c90c27ffe32aa586f6f5079720d6
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Not unauthenticated, but packets it cannot process


  Commit: c92b4b3d560969c94dbfcacc81e7b7d230691610
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  revert unprocessable packets


  Commit: 0376d58b2522cf8385ade1e9d8f7a5219d8a33e2
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  Merge pull request #4736 from quicwg/unauthenticated

Not unauthenticated, but those that cannot be processed


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8c053e991ec2...0376d58b2522


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161d0599c97dd336873e4ef93d94f95074da887f  parallel is better


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This seems to have caused problems, so address it.
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  * Make a new paragraph
  * Padding with invalid packets is OK

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (17)

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<p>This seems to have caused problems, so address it.</p>

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  <li>Padding with invalid packets is OK</li>
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> +samples, and rttvar represents the variation in the RTT samples, estimated using
+a mean variation.

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samples, and rttvar estimates the variation in the RTT samples using a mean
variation.
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: 58efd319c877ec601f13c80364432982cb25cc9b
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/58efd319c877ec601f13c80364432982cb25cc9b
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  Date:   2021-01-11 (Mon, 11 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

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  PTO is restarted on handshake confirmation


  Commit: fdfcc4827e35f8902a738a0d7f28693963c43583
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  initial keys are a different moment


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  parallel is better


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  Merge pull request #4734 from quicwg/confirmation

PTO is restarted on handshake confirmation


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/0376d58b2522...7fbf6af74c61


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Closes #4738.


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Padding with invalid packets


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Only reserve the first unassigned codepoint

Closes #4706.


  Commit: 7cd3ebdc7cddd9682b7839b6749fd27566121b0c
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  Merge pull request #4707 from quicwg/first-unassigned

Only reserve the first unassigned codepoint


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@kaduk : The immediate next sentence says `Until a packet is received from the server, the client MUST use the same Destination Connection ID value on all packets in this connection.` That makes it clear enough I think.

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Remembering is necessary because the peer isn't required to replenish your supply of CIDs.  If you forget one without retiring it, the peer might conclude you still have one you could use, you aren't, so clearly you're comfortable continuing to use the CID you've currently got.

It is perfectly legitimate to forget the CID and delay retiring it until you want it replaced, however.  That seems like a messy implementation design, however.

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<p>Remembering is necessary because the peer isn't required to replenish your supply of CIDs.  If you forget one without retiring it, the peer might conclude you still have one you could use, you aren't, so clearly you're comfortable continuing to use the CID you've currently got.</p>
<p>It is perfectly legitimate to forget the CID and delay retiring it until you want it replaced, however.  That seems like a messy implementation design, however.</p>

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Another piece that might be missing here is that stateless reset tokens only apply if you use the associated connection ID.  Not sure if that helps at all.

Either way, this issue is phrased as a challenge to the design, but I believe the design is OK and this issue does not justify any changes.

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<p>Another piece that might be missing here is that stateless reset tokens only apply if you use the associated connection ID.  Not sure if that helps at all.</p>
<p>Either way, this issue is phrased as a challenge to the design, but I believe the design is OK and this issue does not justify any changes.</p>

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I'm not sure how to read this issue. If this is a clarification question, I might be missing it. Either way, I'm not sure there's any action here besides further explanation here. 

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  Clarify how the initial CWND is limited

Fixes #4591



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Fixes #4591
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4740

-- Commit Summary --

  * Clarify how the initial CWND is limited

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (9)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4591.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="780615052" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4591" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4591/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4591">#4591</a></p>

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  <li>Clarify how the initial CWND is limited</li>
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> Another piece that might be missing here is that stateless reset tokens only apply if you use the associated connection ID. Not sure if that helps at all.

Thanks, that does help me reset my internal model to match reality.  I had erroneously expected the reset tokens to be associated with the broader connection and not the specific connection ID (the only thing I can find now to remotely support that misunderstanding is the bit about "associated with the remote address on which the datagram was received", but even that has a matching "datagrams it has recently sent" just a few sentences prior.
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<p>Thanks, that does help me reset my internal model to match reality.  I had erroneously expected the reset tokens to be associated with the broader connection and not the specific connection ID (the only thing I can find now to remotely support that misunderstanding is the bit about "associated with the remote address on which the datagram was received", but even that has a matching "datagrams it has recently sent" just a few sentences prior.<br>
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> +the maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), while also limiting the initial
+congestion window to the larger of 14720 bytes or twice the maximum datagram
+size. This follows the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing
+the byte limit to account for the smaller 8-byte overhead of UDP compared to
+the 20-byte overhead for TCP.

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the maximum datagram size (max_datagram_size), while limiting the window
to the larger of 14720 bytes or twice the maximum datagram
size. This follows the analysis and recommendations in {{?RFC6928}}, increasing
the byte limit to account for the smaller 8-byte overhead of UDP compared to
the 20-byte overhead for TCP.
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I think that we can keep the inconsistency, but we need someone (@janaiyengar) to follow up with Rob.

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> I propose close with no action. 

Okay.

> Similar to #4697, is it worth stating that future standards-track spec will describe how to do this authentication?

While I'm not opposed to mentioning it, I did look at this text and choose not to propose a change for it as part of #4697 .

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<p>Similar to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781696756" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4697" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697">#4697</a>, is it worth stating that future standards-track spec will describe how to do this authentication?</p>
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<p>While I'm not opposed to mentioning it, I did look at this text and choose not to propose a change for it as part of <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="781696756" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4697" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4697">#4697</a> .</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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  Allow for VN in description of fixed bit


  Commit: a5ee9217411628bdf107d8cd70dcb76cf16c80cc
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  Merge pull request #4741 from quicwg/fixed-bit-rules

Allow for VN in description of fixed bit


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 1f161d91035ddc41bcdfe1da8f8d819479f9e31d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1f161d91035ddc41bcdfe1da8f8d819479f9e31d
  Author: Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

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  kaduk/iesg-evaluation


  Commit: 1f1d5a20440190be3ff3bb09e552a4edbaf2e7ef
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/1f1d5a20440190be3ff3bb09e552a4edbaf2e7ef
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  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

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  Commit: 7da60a4549d1997e68e86fc3cdb0bb426f745706
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/7da60a4549d1997e68e86fc3cdb0bb426f745706
  Author: kaduk <kaduk-github@mit.edu>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

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  Commit: e2d600a620be3106583e5629fe1dddc615a318bc
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  Date:   2021-01-08 (Fri, 08 Jan 2021)

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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


  Commit: 27828eaefcdfea57a254af5c547b0228e74fdc55
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


  Commit: 747f2df86d5d21ceee6893af2a701a9dce62b1c5
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/747f2df86d5d21ceee6893af2a701a9dce62b1c5
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  Initial and Handshake keys are discarded early


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/ce76342e85032c483555365daa3de88cdd818d56
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  kLossReductionFactor


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/dce8d4830a8d0be51b76bead80e6019553b0a16d
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


  Commit: 51c33cb555ca5c547a3bb324ef55667e950c4631
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6aed6d7f2c7a6114294bf93e846ceac6e464ca1f
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  Commit: 1a45d842269928ceabe7d482ee78ebc09996ff50
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  Commit: c3a2231b78208313d7f5cecab0b3292ca3d5cf8d
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c3a2231b78208313d7f5cecab0b3292ca3d5cf8d
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-10 (Sun, 10 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
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  Commit: 0247ef01087f52ed925ba8f7c9e269050b10a81e
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  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

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  Apply suggestions from code review

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  Commit: d2a8670fcd88f56584012ef4bbb3b6a122c6db38
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


  Commit: 19cf6941a4fb9032591d47119f78c723552afb95
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/19cf6941a4fb9032591d47119f78c723552afb95
  Author: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-12 (Tue, 12 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4685 from kaduk/recovery-iesg-eval

Editorial suggestions from Benjamin Kaduk (recovery)


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I don't think that helps the reader make the connection that the shorter nonce is safe due to the time bound.
But I could be wrong, of course.

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<p>I don't think that helps the reader make the connection that the shorter nonce is safe due to the time bound.<br>
But I could be wrong, of course.</p>

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That helps, yes, and thank you.  I think I was confused about which direction of ACKs were getting lost.
"loss of previous acknowledgments of the same packet" or "loss of previous attempts to acknowledge the packet in question" would have averted my confusion, though I concede that neither flows terribly well.

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<p>That helps, yes, and thank you.  I think I was confused about which direction of ACKs were getting lost.<br>
"loss of previous acknowledgments of the same packet" or "loss of previous attempts to acknowledge the packet in question" would have averted my confusion, though I concede that neither flows terribly well.</p>

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this fixes two section references (terminology change still todo)
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  * http: update for http-core -14 moved sections

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4)

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<p>this fixes two section references (terminology change still todo)</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>http: update for http-core -14 moved sections</li>
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To check that my understanding is correct:
 - VN packets (as per the Invariants doc) MAY set the fixed bit.
 - VN packets for QUIC version 1 (as per the transport doc) SHOULD set the fixed bit.
 
This behaviour is consistent, but the documents need to explain this more clearly.  Particularly, because the the first sentence of section 17.2.1 states: " A Version Negotiation packet is inherently not version-specific," and yet the value set in this field might be version specific.

Hence, I would suggest that you expand the description in the transport draft to explain that it SHOULD be set for QUIC version 1, but that other versions of QUIC may relax this requirement.  Noting that the transport draft already talks about future versions having different requirements on the length of connection ids.
 

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<p>To check that my understanding is correct:</p>
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<li>VN packets (as per the Invariants doc) MAY set the fixed bit.</li>
<li>VN packets for QUIC version 1 (as per the transport doc) SHOULD set the fixed bit.</li>
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<p>This behaviour is consistent, but the documents need to explain this more clearly.  Particularly, because the the first sentence of section 17.2.1 states: " A Version Negotiation packet is inherently not version-specific," and yet the value set in this field might be version specific.</p>
<p>Hence, I would suggest that you expand the description in the transport draft to explain that it SHOULD be set for QUIC version 1, but that other versions of QUIC may relax this requirement.  Noting that the transport draft already talks about future versions having different requirements on the length of connection ids.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/recharter
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  Author: Magnus Westerlund <magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com>
  Date:   2021-01-13 (Wed, 13 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M charter/charter.md

  Log Message:
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  Update charter.md (#186)

* Update charter.md

Clarified the scope of qlog, more explicit about that new versions maybe need to be published.

* Update charter/charter.md

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* Update charter/charter.md

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* Update charter/charter.md

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Yes I agree Mike. This was due to me being over eager with the close button. The issue may not have strictly been raised in the period that the IESG were directed to review the doc, and they have yet to ballot on draft 33. But either way there was no push back from the WG on this change since draft 33 was published.

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<p>Yes I agree Mike. This was due to me being over eager with the close button. The issue may not have strictly been raised in the period that the IESG were directed to review the doc, and they have yet to ballot on draft 33. But either way there was no push back from the WG on this change since draft 33 was published.</p>

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fyi @martinthomson , I'd recommend `an receiver` -> `a receiver`

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<p>fyi <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> , I'd recommend <code>an receiver</code> -&gt; <code>a receiver</code></p>

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> @@ -1821,6 +1821,9 @@ QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
 unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent by an implementation that supports this
 extension if the extension is received when the transport is not QUIC.
 
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension causes the EndOfEarlyData to

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> @@ -1821,6 +1821,9 @@ QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
 unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent by an implementation that supports this
 extension if the extension is received when the transport is not QUIC.
 
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension causes the EndOfEarlyData to

I think that the shorter phrasing is better.  It's not about not having a requirement to send EOED, but a requirement to not send EOED.  And, as this refers to the very next section, the fewer words expended here the better.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4689#discussion_r556944643">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1821,6 +1821,9 @@ QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
 unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent by an implementation that supports this
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+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension causes the EndOfEarlyData to
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Apologies for filing an issue so late in the game, but I think this should be an easy fix.

As I was working on draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation, I realized that I was assuming that the Supported Version fields of a Version Negotiation packet are ordered by decreasing preference. Google servers also send Version Negotiation packets that way. But our drafts do not specify this. draft-ietf-quic-invariants specifies the format of Version Negotiation packets, but this is all it says about the Supported Versions field:
> After the Source Connection ID field, the Version Negotiation packet contains a list of Supported Version fields, each identifying a version that the endpoint sending the packet supports. A Version Negotiation packet contains no other fields. An endpoint MUST ignore a packet that contains no Supported Version fields, or a truncated Supported Version.

It would be unfortunate if a server ordered versions by decreasing preference, and a client parsed them as increasing preference and respected its understanding of the server's preference.

I see three paths forward here:
1. State in draft-ietf-quic-invariants that the ordering has no semantics
2. State in draft-ietf-quic-invariants that the Supported Version fields are ordered by decreasing preference
3. Do nothing and leave this ambiguous

I personally prefer 2, as it follows our design goal to clearly define the semantics of QUIC's wire format. This would also be consistent with Alt-Svc, which is [explicitly ordered by decreasing server preference](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838#section-3).

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<p>Apologies for filing an issue so late in the game, but I think this should be an easy fix.</p>
<p>As I was working on draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation, I realized that I was assuming that the Supported Version fields of a Version Negotiation packet are ordered by decreasing preference. Google servers also send Version Negotiation packets that way. But our drafts do not specify this. draft-ietf-quic-invariants specifies the format of Version Negotiation packets, but this is all it says about the Supported Versions field:</p>
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<p>After the Source Connection ID field, the Version Negotiation packet contains a list of Supported Version fields, each identifying a version that the endpoint sending the packet supports. A Version Negotiation packet contains no other fields. An endpoint MUST ignore a packet that contains no Supported Version fields, or a truncated Supported Version.</p>
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<p>It would be unfortunate if a server ordered versions by decreasing preference, and a client parsed them as increasing preference and respected its understanding of the server's preference.</p>
<p>I see three paths forward here:</p>
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<li>State in draft-ietf-quic-invariants that the ordering has no semantics</li>
<li>State in draft-ietf-quic-invariants that the Supported Version fields are ordered by decreasing preference</li>
<li>Do nothing and leave this ambiguous</li>
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<p>I personally prefer 2, as it follows our design goal to clearly define the semantics of QUIC's wire format. This would also be consistent with Alt-Svc, which is <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7838#section-3" rel="nofollow">explicitly ordered by decreasing server preference</a>.</p>

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I'm not sure if we should have semantics in invariants.

The problem here is that there's no guarantee that Supported Versions will be authenticated in any version of QUIC. QUIC v1 does not have such authentication.

If a version of QUIC applies semantics to the ordering of Supported Versions, it would be susceptible to version downgrade attacks, as [acknowledged in Section 6.2 of the transport draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-handling-version-negotiatio).

I tend to think that the semantics should be defined in the version negotiation draft. At the same time, I think it might make sense to move the discussion in Section 6.2 of the transport draft to the invariants draft.

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<p>I'm not sure if we should have semantics in invariants.</p>
<p>The problem here is that there's no guarantee that Supported Versions will be authenticated in any version of QUIC. QUIC v1 does not have such authentication.</p>
<p>If a version of QUIC applies semantics to the ordering of Supported Versions, it would be susceptible to version downgrade attacks, as <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-handling-version-negotiatio" rel="nofollow">acknowledged in Section 6.2 of the transport draft</a>.</p>
<p>I tend to think that the semantics should be defined in the version negotiation draft. At the same time, I think it might make sense to move the discussion in Section 6.2 of the transport draft to the invariants draft.</p>

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Option 3 is fine.  It was always my understanding that this was deliberately done.  That is, order carried no explicit semantics.

I don't see any value in the server signalling its preferences. It isn't a feature in TLS that has ever really worked.

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<p>Option 3 is fine.  It was always my understanding that this was deliberately done.  That is, order carried no explicit semantics.</p>
<p>I don't see any value in the server signalling its preferences. It isn't a feature in TLS that has ever really worked.</p>

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> @@ -1821,6 +1821,9 @@ QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
 unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent by an implementation that supports this
 extension if the extension is received when the transport is not QUIC.
 
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension causes the EndOfEarlyData to

For the question is whether an implementer (bot being on mind you) would be confused by the lack of "requirement to send" phrase, I tend to think that without it's still clear that you don't send EOED.

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<p><b>@seanturner</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4689#discussion_r557511169">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1821,6 +1821,9 @@ QUIC (such as the use of TLS with TCP defined in {{!TLS13}}).  A fatal
 unsupported_extension alert MUST be sent by an implementation that supports this
 extension if the extension is received when the transport is not QUIC.
 
+Negotiating the quic_transport_parameters extension causes the EndOfEarlyData to
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<p>For the question is whether an implementer (bot being on mind you) would be confused by the lack of "requirement to send" phrase, I tend to think that without it's still clear that you don't send EOED.</p>

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I agree with both @kazuho and @martinthomson. I'll say that Option 3 is not an accurate reflection of the state of affairs -- draft-ietf-quic-transport unambiguously conveys no preference.

There are two discussions to be had:
- Is conveying this information useful? (@martinthomson says no, but this does seem useful to me; I am interested in having this discussion)
-  How do you authenticate this information? @kazuho is exactly on point here -- applying any semantics to ordering will mean that the ordering will need to be authenticated.
 
Given the apparent complexity of the authentication, I don't think the ordering semantics need to be an invariant. But I would like to see the discussion on the VN draft.

I don't think we should move 6.2 of the transport draft to invariants. Of the text there, the only normative text is about client action on VN packets, and I don't think that is an invariant.

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<p>I agree with both <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> and <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a>. I'll say that Option 3 is not an accurate reflection of the state of affairs -- draft-ietf-quic-transport unambiguously conveys no preference.</p>
<p>There are two discussions to be had:</p>
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<li>Is conveying this information useful? (<a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> says no, but this does seem useful to me; I am interested in having this discussion)</li>
<li>How do you authenticate this information? <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> is exactly on point here -- applying any semantics to ordering will mean that the ordering will need to be authenticated.</li>
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<p>Given the apparent complexity of the authentication, I don't think the ordering semantics need to be an invariant. But I would like to see the discussion on the VN draft.</p>
<p>I don't think we should move 6.2 of the transport draft to invariants. Of the text there, the only normative text is about client action on VN packets, and I don't think that is an invariant.</p>

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@kazuho could you elaborate on what the concern is for authenticating ordering? For the Supported Version list to be useful it needs to be authenticated whether it is ordered or not. I think authentication is orthogonal to ordering. I'll also note that the mechanism in draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation that authenticates Supported Versions happens to also authenticate the ordering, because it just copies Supported Versions to somewhere in a transport parameter.

@janaiyengar given that the VN packet format is part of invariants, it's not possible to add ordering semantics later - what if two different versions of QUIC (or two different extensions) apply different ordering semantics, how do you know which one is in use?

I also believe that conveying server preference is useful, we use it actively in Alt-Svc and the whole point of version negotiation is for use-cases where you don't have Alt-Svc.

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazuho/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazuho">@kazuho</a> could you elaborate on what the concern is for authenticating ordering? For the Supported Version list to be useful it needs to be authenticated whether it is ordered or not. I think authentication is orthogonal to ordering. I'll also note that the mechanism in draft-ietf-quic-version-negotiation that authenticates Supported Versions happens to also authenticate the ordering, because it just copies Supported Versions to somewhere in a transport parameter.</p>
<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/janaiyengar/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/janaiyengar">@janaiyengar</a> given that the VN packet format is part of invariants, it's not possible to add ordering semantics later - what if two different versions of QUIC (or two different extensions) apply different ordering semantics, how do you know which one is in use?</p>
<p>I also believe that conveying server preference is useful, we use it actively in Alt-Svc and the whole point of version negotiation is for use-cases where you don't have Alt-Svc.</p>

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Given that the client initiates the connection, it's up to the client to pick a compatible version. As such, I would expect the client to treat the server's list as an "unordered set". I would then expect the client to chose the client most preferred version that is in the server's set. So I think order is not important here.

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Closing in line with discussions.  Will pursue an explanation instead.

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Closed #4471.

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  Date:   2021-01-15 (Fri, 15 Jan 2021)

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  Explain the fixed bit recommendation for Version Negotiation

Closes #4468.



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Closes #4468.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4744

-- Commit Summary --

  * Explain the fixed bit recommendation for Version Negotiation

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (3)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4468.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="778095435" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4468" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4468/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4468">#4468</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Explain the fixed bit recommendation for Version Negotiation</li>
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What Ryan said.  The only entity that can express an opinion is the server as it sends the message.  But the client's opinion is the only relevant one as it is the one that has to act on the information.

You might think that the client might allow its opinion to be informed by the server, but I can think of just one example of where that was arguably useful in TLS.  It's not worth it.

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<p>What Ryan said.  The only entity that can express an opinion is the server as it sends the message.  But the client's opinion is the only relevant one as it is the one that has to act on the information.</p>
<p>You might think that the client might allow its opinion to be informed by the server, but I can think of just one example of where that was arguably useful in TLS.  It's not worth it.</p>

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  Changed paths:
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  Remove routing recommendation

This was just old and needed a little bit of a refresh.

Removing the recommendation, which was counter to established views and
unnecessary.

I will let others determine whether this is editorial/design.

Closes #4453.


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  Merge pull request #4696 from quicwg/remove-should-routing

Remove routing recommendation


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Commit: 28028038b8f10000ef087e9019fde9ffed326ed7
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/28028038b8f10000ef087e9019fde9ffed326ed7
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  The transport parameter removes EOED

As agreed via mail.

Closes #4475.


  Commit: 7d67f7c9d76ee10b23c4196c58e58dcfab1c1d53
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  Date:   2021-01-15 (Fri, 15 Jan 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4689 from quicwg/tp-disables-eoed

The transport parameter removes EOED


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Reopened #4475.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 4cad27d2cd1183446aa245d9353c8c7816eeb28f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/4cad27d2cd1183446aa245d9353c8c7816eeb28f
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-06 (Wed, 06 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Closure alerts are errors too

This changes the shape of the requirement from one that proscribes the
behaviour of a TLS stack to the reaction of QUIC to a warning level
alert.  This recommends treating them as fatal as QUIC never
deliberately closes TLS.

This is a normative change that should have no practical effect on
implementations.

Closes #4485.


  Commit: a7806d569497c228dd4d339545db301c67dd148f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/a7806d569497c228dd4d339545db301c67dd148f
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  qualify

Co-authored-by: David Schinazi <DavidSchinazi@users.noreply.github.com>


  Commit: 0625b35a2def96b9d17a9137e622ca1121417ac4
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-07 (Thu, 07 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md

  Log Message:
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  Wrap


  Commit: 918caa54b2bd63af4924ce2e1a33264c2949433e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/918caa54b2bd63af4924ce2e1a33264c2949433e
  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-01-15 (Fri, 15 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4570 from quicwg/warning-alert

Closure alerts are errors too


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/7d67f7c9d76e...918caa54b2bd


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Closed #4485 via #4570.

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@DavidSchinazi The only case where ordering might become of some value is when clients support multiple versions. But for clients to support multiple versions, authenticating Supported Versions is essential, because otherwise they would be susceptible to version downgrade attacks.

IIRC, our deliberate decision was to not define downgrade attack prevention in QUIC v1, because it is the first version of QUIC. Assuming that clients support only _one_ version of QUIC, there is no need for downgrade attack prevention, or ordering in Supported Versions.

> given that the VN packet format is part of invariants, it's not possible to add ordering semantics later

I'm not sure if agree with this statement. Invariants is what we promise at this point to not change. I do not think it forbids us from making new promises as we make progress.

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<p>IIRC, our deliberate decision was to not define downgrade attack prevention in QUIC v1, because it is the first version of QUIC. Assuming that clients support only <em>one</em> version of QUIC, there is no need for downgrade attack prevention, or ordering in Supported Versions.</p>
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<p>I'm not sure if agree with this statement. Invariants is what we promise at this point to not change. I do not think it forbids us from making new promises as we make progress.</p>

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> Invariants is what we promise at this point to not change. I do not think it forbids us from making new promises as we make progress.

I don't think that this is a statement that is safe to make in general.  By declaring some things invariant, we have constrained what we can do.

In this specific case, we might have a little bit of wiggle room, as there are no versions of QUIC that rely on these fields.  However, it might need an update to the document to effect.

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<p>I don't think that this is a statement that is safe to make in general.  By declaring some things invariant, we have constrained what we can do.</p>
<p>In this specific case, we might have a little bit of wiggle room, as there are no versions of QUIC that rely on these fields.  However, it might need an update to the document to effect.</p>

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Right. We cannot remove or change existing constraints, but we can add new one if doing so does not break anything. That is where adding semantics to Supported Versions falls into.

That can be an option that we can take _if_ we think in the future that there's value in having ordering semantics.

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<p>Right. We cannot remove or change existing constraints, but we can add new one if doing so does not break anything. That is where adding semantics to Supported Versions falls into.</p>
<p>That can be an option that we can take <em>if</em> we think in the future that there's value in having ordering semantics.</p>

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I'd argue that it's easier to remove a constraint than to add one - because someone could already be violating a constraint we'd want to add.

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<p>I'd argue that it's easier to remove a constraint than to add one - because someone could already be violating a constraint we'd want to add.</p>

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It would be, but then you still need to establish why it is the right constraint to be adding.

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<p>It would be, but then you still need to establish why it is the right constraint to be adding.</p>

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Or, a less-intrusive option to introduce ordering semantics at a later moment would be to specify a QUIC version that changes how Supported Versions is to be interpreted. For example, the version negotiation draft might define a magic version number that is used to indicate to the client that the rest of the versions that are provided in the order of server's preference.

Regarding which entity should drive protocol selection, I tend to think that it should be the one that is better maintained. If we compare major web browsers vs. servers, I agree with others that it is the client for sure. But in the future, we might see application protocols using QUIC that have different characteristics.

Therefore, I tend to think that we should leave the decision up to future documents (i.e. option 3). And that is possible, as I have been arguing.

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<p>Or, a less-intrusive option to introduce ordering semantics at a later moment would be to specify a QUIC version that changes how Supported Versions is to be interpreted. For example, the version negotiation draft might define a magic version number that is used to indicate to the client that the rest of the versions that are provided in the order of server's preference.</p>
<p>Regarding which entity should drive protocol selection, I tend to think that it should be the one that is better maintained. If we compare major web browsers vs. servers, I agree with others that it is the client for sure. But in the future, we might see application protocols using QUIC that have different characteristics.</p>
<p>Therefore, I tend to think that we should leave the decision up to future documents (i.e. option 3). And that is possible, as I have been arguing.</p>

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  Explain the fixed bit recommendation for Version Negotiation

Closes #4468.


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  Set to an arbitrary value


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  This is not reliable

Other versions of QUIC might not make the same recommendation.


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  Merge pull request #4744 from quicwg/why-fixed-vn

Explain the fixed bit recommendation for Version Negotiation


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<p>Just to close the loop here.  I've added an explanation of two things to the draft that is about to go out: that this recommendation is to allow for multiplexing, and that this recommendation is not guaranteed to apply when other QUIC versions are in use.  I think that is in line with what <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/rgwilton/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/rgwilton">@rgwilton</a> suggests.  If you disagree, we might be able to tweak this more later, but I need to publish -34 so that the wheels of the process can continue to turn.</p>

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This text could be better:

> The TLS implementation does not need to ensure that the ClientHello is large enough to meet the requirements for QUIC packets. QUIC PADDING frames are added to increase the size of the packet as necessary; see Section 14.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].

Maybe instead:

> The TLS implementation does not need to ensure that the ClientHello is large enough to meet the minimum datagram size for carrying QUIC Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see Section 14.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].



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<p>This text could be better:</p>
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<p>The TLS implementation does not need to ensure that the ClientHello is large enough to meet the requirements for QUIC packets. QUIC PADDING frames are added to increase the size of the packet as necessary; see Section 14.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].</p>
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<p>Maybe instead:</p>
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<p>The TLS implementation does not need to ensure that the ClientHello is large enough to meet the minimum datagram size for carrying QUIC Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see Section 14.1 of [QUIC-TRANSPORT].</p>
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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

A bit late, but LGTM



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Just to confirm that I am happy with the committed text change.  Thanks for accommodating. 

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@royfielding points out that, in addition to a couple easily-resolved normative references to the HTTP/1.1 draft (this content has moved to Semantics), there's a normative reference to "chunked" transfer encoding being prohibited.  But technically, this is still a MUST NOT for an informative reference.

One resolution would be to make it a statement of fact rather than a conformance requirement -- to say that the transfer codings defined by the HTTP/1.1 are HTTP/1.1-specific and not applicable to HTTP/3.  But that's a broader assertion than just "chunked."  Is there a reason we need to keep e.g. "Transfer-Encoding: gzip"?

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Three of these are simple -- origin and asterisk form lives in Semantics now, and we didn&#39;t get an update to the new pointer.  Those are in the first commit.

The second commit might be more controversial.  See #4746.
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  * Asterisk/origin form are now in Semantics
  * Transfer codings are an HTTP/1.1 thing

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (18)

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<p>Three of these are simple -- origin and asterisk form lives in Semantics now, and we didn't get an update to the new pointer.  Those are in the first commit.</p>
<p>The second commit might be more controversial.  See <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="787230569" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4746" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4746/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4746">#4746</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Asterisk/origin form are now in Semantics</li>
  <li>Transfer codings are an HTTP/1.1 thing</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4747/files#diff-c7364e57fd3b825f8342d91eabf4fa844f1c26127970ccb1af9a1a16a6598165">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>
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@kazuho commented on this pull request.



> @@ -472,8 +472,8 @@ table. While these updates are not directly part of the message exchange, they
 must be received and processed before the message can be consumed.  See
 {{header-formatting}} for more details.
 
-The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 7.1 of {{?HTTP11}} MUST NOT
-be used.
+Transfer codings (see Section 6.1 of {{?HTTP11}}) are not defined for HTTP/3;
+the Transfer-Encoding header field MUST NOT be used.

I'm not sure if this MUST NOT aligns well with the existing requirements in [section 4.1.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#name-field-formatting-and-compre) that states _endpoints MUST NOT generate_, _intermediaries SHOULD remove_.

If the intended requirements are:
* endpoints MUST NOT generate requests that contain connection-specific header fields (e.g., transfer-encoding)
* intermediaries MUST NOT forward chunked encoding without decoding it and SHOULD remove connection-specific header fields
then I think it might be better to explicitly state as such, possibly in section 4.1.1 altogether.

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<p><b>@kazuho</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4747#discussion_r559405409">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -472,8 +472,8 @@ table. While these updates are not directly part of the message exchange, they
 must be received and processed before the message can be consumed.  See
 {{header-formatting}} for more details.
 
-The &quot;chunked&quot; transfer encoding defined in Section 7.1 of {{?HTTP11}} MUST NOT
-be used.
+Transfer codings (see Section 6.1 of {{?HTTP11}}) are not defined for HTTP/3;
+the Transfer-Encoding header field MUST NOT be used.
</pre>
<p>I'm not sure if this MUST NOT aligns well with the existing requirements in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#name-field-formatting-and-compre" rel="nofollow">section 4.1.1</a> that states <em>endpoints MUST NOT generate</em>, <em>intermediaries SHOULD remove</em>.</p>
<p>If the intended requirements are:</p>
<ul>
<li>endpoints MUST NOT generate requests that contain connection-specific header fields (e.g., transfer-encoding)</li>
<li>intermediaries MUST NOT forward chunked encoding without decoding it and SHOULD remove connection-specific header fields<br>
then I think it might be better to explicitly state as such, possibly in section 4.1.1 altogether.</li>
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My +1 goes to talking about transfer-encodings in general rather than just chunked, but as stated in the review comment, IIUC we already use different language for endpoints and intermediaries and therefore am afraid we have to keep doing so.

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<p>My +1 goes to talking about transfer-encodings in general rather than just chunked, but as stated in the review comment, IIUC we already use different language for endpoints and intermediaries and therefore am afraid we have to keep doing so.</p>

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@martinduke said:

> 3.2 I think it would be more accurate to say that each HTTP/3 endpoint holds
> two dynamic tables, not one, one in each direction. I'm assuming that the
> dynamic tables are in fact distinct.

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Fixes #4748.
Fixes #4749.

I opted to reframe the language from HTTP/3 endpoint to decoder, since encoder and decoder instances are what this spec primarily talks about.  We already say that HTTP/3 endpoints contain both an encoder and a decoder.

I also added a comment that encoders track the contents of the table at the decoder. I specifically did not say that they keep a full copy of the table, however; they might not.

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  * Martin Duke&#39;s QPACK comments

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (9)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4748.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="788243889" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4748" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4748/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4748">#4748</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4749.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="788244501" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4749" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4749/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4749">#4749</a>.</p>
<p>I opted to reframe the language from HTTP/3 endpoint to decoder, since encoder and decoder instances are what this spec primarily talks about.  We already say that HTTP/3 endpoints contain both an encoder and a decoder.</p>
<p>I also added a comment that encoders track the contents of the table at the decoder. I specifically did not say that they keep a full copy of the table, however; they might not.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Martin Duke&#39;s QPACK comments</li>
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> @@ -472,8 +472,8 @@ table. While these updates are not directly part of the message exchange, they
 must be received and processed before the message can be consumed.  See
 {{header-formatting}} for more details.
 
-The "chunked" transfer encoding defined in Section 7.1 of {{?HTTP11}} MUST NOT
-be used.
+Transfer codings (see Section 6.1 of {{?HTTP11}}) are not defined for HTTP/3;
+the Transfer-Encoding header field MUST NOT be used.

That's an interesting point.  I think that's an instance of a non-deterministic SHOULD, rather than an optional behavior per se.  In other words, to make that a MUST, we'd have to have a pointer to the complete list of headers which MUST be removed, and since headers are an extension point, there's no such document.  Someone could define a new hop-by-hop header for HTTP/1.1 and all implementations would instantly be violating this requirement.

In other words, this SHOULD ought to be read as "intermediaries MUST remove all the headers known to be connection-specific, but an intermediary might not know the meaning of every header generated by the endpoint."  If there's better language for that section, I'd welcome a PR with clearer text.

I'm okay with the language for Transfer-Encoding being stronger than the SHOULD which covers the class of hop-by-hop headers; we already have something of an instance of this with Upgrade; it's also covered by the SHOULD in 4.1.1 but 4.3 says it's not supported.  (Perhaps 4.3 should have a MUST about the Upgrade header and the 101 status code...?)

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4747#discussion_r560289484">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -472,8 +472,8 @@ table. While these updates are not directly part of the message exchange, they
 must be received and processed before the message can be consumed.  See
 {{header-formatting}} for more details.
 
-The &quot;chunked&quot; transfer encoding defined in Section 7.1 of {{?HTTP11}} MUST NOT
-be used.
+Transfer codings (see Section 6.1 of {{?HTTP11}}) are not defined for HTTP/3;
+the Transfer-Encoding header field MUST NOT be used.
</pre>
<p>That's an interesting point.  I think that's an instance of a non-deterministic SHOULD, rather than an optional behavior per se.  In other words, to make that a MUST, we'd have to have a pointer to the complete list of headers which MUST be removed, and since headers are an extension point, there's no such document.  Someone could define a new hop-by-hop header for HTTP/1.1 and all implementations would instantly be violating this requirement.</p>
<p>In other words, this SHOULD ought to be read as "intermediaries MUST remove all the headers known to be connection-specific, but an intermediary might not know the meaning of every header generated by the endpoint."  If there's better language for that section, I'd welcome a PR with clearer text.</p>
<p>I'm okay with the language for Transfer-Encoding being stronger than the SHOULD which covers the class of hop-by-hop headers; we already have something of an instance of this with Upgrade; it's also covered by the SHOULD in 4.1.1 but 4.3 says it's not supported.  (Perhaps 4.3 should have a MUST about the Upgrade header and the 101 status code...?)</p>

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282081d050198e5be9844113984cec5840b57cc9  Call out transfer codings in 4.1.1


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> -- Section 1.1 --
> This section mixes "HTTP/1.1" and "HTTP/1.x" and it is unclear to me what the
> link is between the first 2 sentences.

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@evyncke said

> -- Section 3.1 --
> In "clients SHOULD attempt to use TCP-based versions of HTTP in this case."
> Should the version(s) of HTTP be specified or is it done on purpose to allow a
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> -- Section 4.2 --
> Should this section mention the work in MASQUE? While I am not really familiar
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> -- Section 4.4 --
> Should the client behavior be specified when server does not respect "A server
> SHOULD use Push IDs sequentially, beginning from zero. " ?

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> Should the CONNECT method behavior be specified when the client does an
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> -- Section 5.4 --
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> mostly obvious that all states will be cleared but what about the CONNECT
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> -- Section 11.2.1 and others --
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> @@ -486,8 +487,8 @@ Dynamic table entries can have empty values.
 The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.
 
 The size of an entry is the sum of its name's length in bytes, its value's
-length in bytes, and 32.  The size of an entry is calculated using the length of
-its name and value without Huffman encoding applied.
+length in bytes, and 32 bytes.  The size of an entry is calculated using the

You could say 32 additional bytes even.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4750#discussion_r560485467">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -486,8 +487,8 @@ Dynamic table entries can have empty values.
 The size of the dynamic table is the sum of the size of its entries.
 
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That was exactly the intent. Not sure if we will get another TCP-based version, but that is why the text reads like that.

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<p>That was exactly the intent. Not sure if we will get another TCP-based version, but that is why the text reads like that.</p>
<p>I don't see a change to make for this issue.</p>

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No. MASQUE isn't firm enough yet.

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<p>No. MASQUE isn't firm enough yet.</p>

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Using out of order isn't easily detectable.

The main reason to do so is to ensure that you get the most out of credit the client extends with MAX_PUSH_ID. If you leave gaps, those might delay increases. Not sure if that really needs to be said though.

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<p>Using out of order isn't easily detectable.</p>
<p>The main reason to do so is to ensure that you get the most out of credit the client extends with MAX_PUSH_ID. If you leave gaps, those might delay increases. Not sure if that really needs to be said though.</p>

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@kaduk notes that the text for avoiding conflicting registrations with HTTP/2 doesn't actually empower the expert to refuse a registration if the registrant *really really* wants to stomp a value already assigned in the other protocol.  Add a sentence that expert reviewers MAY refuse a registration on those grounds.

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This is a good question, but I would put this with #4755. It is the same issue.

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<p>This is a good question, but I would put this with <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789229583" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4755" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4755/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4755">#4755</a>. It is the same issue.</p>

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I think that the tweak to translation behaviour is probably necessary.  I'll be opening a bug on h2 as well.

>  This means that an intermediary transforming an HTTP/1.x message to HTTP/3 will
 need to remove any fields nominated by the Connection field, along with the

The "will need to" here now reads like RFC 6919 language.  Why not MUST?

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>I think that the tweak to translation behaviour is probably necessary.  I'll be opening a bug on h2 as well.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4747#discussion_r560499870">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  This means that an intermediary transforming an HTTP/1.x message to HTTP/3 will
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<p>The "will need to" here now reads like RFC 6919 language.  Why not MUST?</p>

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  Changed paths:
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>  This means that an intermediary transforming an HTTP/1.x message to HTTP/3 will
 need to remove any fields nominated by the Connection field, along with the

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4747#discussion_r560509760">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  This means that an intermediary transforming an HTTP/1.x message to HTTP/3 will
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Agreed.  No action; we don't know what other TCP-based versions might exist in the future.

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<p>Agreed.  No action; we don't know what other TCP-based versions might exist in the future.</p>

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MASQUE is defining a new method (CONNECT-UDP), and will specify how that method works for all versions of HTTP they care about.  CONNECT is an existing method, and how it fits into HTTP/3 has to be specified here.

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Two separate questions.  I'm fine generalizing it to HTTP/1.x.

The link between the first two sentences is the fact that HTTP/1.x uses human-readable whitespace-delimited fields, but those attributes make parsing inconsistent; subsequent versions of HTTP/2 went a different direction.

If you're talking about the second and third, that could easily be a paragraph split; it's a change of idea under the umbrella of major changes of direction from H1 to H2+.

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<p>Two separate questions.  I'm fine generalizing it to HTTP/1.x.</p>
<p>The link between the first two sentences is the fact that HTTP/1.x uses human-readable whitespace-delimited fields, but those attributes make parsing inconsistent; subsequent versions of HTTP/2 went a different direction.</p>
<p>If you're talking about the second and third, that could easily be a paragraph split; it's a change of idea under the umbrella of major changes of direction from H1 to H2+.</p>

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No, because QUIC does not give guarantees about delivery order.  Apparent misordering could be due to servers using IDs out-of-order or simply reordering on the wire.  A server that actually uses the IDs out-of-order is only hurting itself.

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<p>No, because QUIC does not give guarantees about delivery order.  Apparent misordering could be due to servers using IDs out-of-order or simply reordering on the wire.  A server that actually uses the IDs out-of-order is only hurting itself.</p>
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The text currently says:

> Correspondingly, if a proxy detects an error with the stream or the QUIC connection, it MUST close the TCP connection. If the underlying TCP implementation permits it, the proxy SHOULD send a TCP segment with the RST bit set.

Transport makes the following addition, in [19.19](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19-2):

> If there are open streams that have not been explicitly closed, they are implicitly closed when the connection is closed.

That might be worth reiterating in HTTP/3.

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<p>The text currently says:</p>
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<p>Correspondingly, if a proxy detects an error with the stream or the QUIC connection, it MUST close the TCP connection. If the underlying TCP implementation permits it, the proxy SHOULD send a TCP segment with the RST bit set.</p>
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<p>Transport makes the following addition, in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19-2" rel="nofollow">19.19</a>:</p>
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<p>If there are open streams that have not been explicitly closed, they are implicitly closed when the connection is closed.</p>
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<p>That might be worth reiterating in HTTP/3.</p>

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(As an individual) yep, a server that starts above 0 at N is probably always operating at a deficit because the client can't know that lower than N would ever be used. Also, practically speaking, any client action we might offer is likely to be terminal for a connection, which is pretty unfortunate for a server that dares even use Server Push in the first place. 

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We believe the note, updated based on IANA feedback during Last Call, is sufficient.  Reserving 148 quadrillion values in the registry would cause the registry to be impossible to download in the lifetime of humanity; see #4428.

The purpose is described in [Section 7.2.8](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#section-7.2.8), to exercise the requirement to ignore unknown frame types (a.k.a. GREASE).

Proposal is to make no change; this was already covered during IANA review.

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<p>We believe the note, updated based on IANA feedback during Last Call, is sufficient.  Reserving 148 quadrillion values in the registry would cause the registry to be impossible to download in the lifetime of humanity; see <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="759582362" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4428" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4428/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4428">#4428</a>.</p>
<p>The purpose is described in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#section-7.2.8" rel="nofollow">Section 7.2.8</a>, to exercise the requirement to ignore unknown frame types (a.k.a. GREASE).</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/http/ev_nits
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Date:   2021-01-19 (Tue, 19 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Fixes #4751


  Commit: 9389a2699b9f926b293a218aa731309d65736103
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9389a2699b9f926b293a218aa731309d65736103
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  Import implicit closure from -transport; fixes #4755


  Commit: 56c0a0eb545e9eaf89f18e907fdcc78bc08efe29
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  Split out subordinate phrases; fixes #4758


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-- Commit Summary --

  * Fixes #4751
  * Import implicit closure from -transport; fixes #4755
  * Split out subordinate phrases; fixes #4758

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (22)

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Fixes #4751</li>
  <li>Import implicit closure from -transport; fixes #4755</li>
  <li>Split out subordinate phrases; fixes #4758</li>
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> +first-out order.  Each QPACK decoder holds a dynamic table that is initially
 empty.  Entries are added by encoder instructions received on the encoder
-stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.
+stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.  The encoder tracks the contents of the
+dynamic table maintained by the decoder.

I think it's slightly odd to say that the encoder tracks the decoder, when in practice the encoder is doing the inserts and uses it for compression.  Let me think a bit.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4750#discussion_r560562237">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +first-out order.  Each QPACK decoder holds a dynamic table that is initially
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-stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.
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<p>I think it's slightly odd to say that the encoder tracks the decoder, when in practice the encoder is doing the inserts and uses it for compression.  Let me think a bit.</p>

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  http: update for http-core -14 moved sections

this fixes two section references (terminology change still todo)


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  Merge pull request #4742 from reschke/patch-3

http: update for http-core -14 moved sections


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> +If there are open streams that have not been explicitly closed, they are
+implicitly closed when the connection is closed.

I appreciate keeping this high level, but I wonder if there's some subtley to stream and connection closure. For instance, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-10.2 says something like

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   After sending a CONNECTION_CLOSE frame, an endpoint immediately
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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4762#discussion_r560566638">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +If there are open streams that have not been explicitly closed, they are
+implicitly closed when the connection is closed.
</pre>
<p>I appreciate keeping this high level, but I wonder if there's some subtley to stream and connection closure. For instance, <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-10.2" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-10.2</a> says something like</p>
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   assumed to be implicitly reset.

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> +If there are open streams that have not been explicitly closed, they are
+implicitly closed when the connection is closed.

Isn't that entirely consistent?

```suggestion
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implicitly closed when the connection is closed; see Section 10.2 of
{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
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> +first-out order.  Each QPACK decoder holds a dynamic table that is initially
 empty.  Entries are added by encoder instructions received on the encoder
-stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.
+stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.  The encoder tracks the contents of the
+dynamic table maintained by the decoder.

How about:

> The dynamic table consists of a list of field lines maintained in first-in, first-out order.  A QPACK encoder and decoder share a dynamic table that is initially empty. The encoder adds entries to the dynamic table and sends them to the decoder via instructions on the encoder stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.   

I'm on the fence about adding another sentence about how the encoder tracks the decoder's current state via the decoder stream.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4750#discussion_r560572500">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +first-out order.  Each QPACK decoder holds a dynamic table that is initially
 empty.  Entries are added by encoder instructions received on the encoder
-stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.
+stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.  The encoder tracks the contents of the
+dynamic table maintained by the decoder.
</pre>
<p>How about:</p>
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<p>The dynamic table consists of a list of field lines maintained in first-in, first-out order.  A QPACK encoder and decoder share a dynamic table that is initially empty. The encoder adds entries to the dynamic table and sends them to the decoder via instructions on the encoder stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.</p>
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I suspect this will be fixed by the resolution to #4761.

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<p>I suspect this will be fixed by the resolution to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789384149" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761">#4761</a>.</p>

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Agreed, this should point back if it doesn't already.  This probably also gets swept up in the resolution to #4761, but it's a separate point I'll need to make sure is addressed.

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<p>Agreed, this should point back if it doesn't already.  This probably also gets swept up in the resolution to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789384149" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761">#4761</a>, but it's a separate point I'll need to make sure is addressed.</p>

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@kazuho approved this pull request.

@MikeBishop Thank you for your comments and the changes.

I agree about the intent, and I am fine with retaining the SHOULD that we already have. I also like the updated text in the other section that explicitly states that intermediaries "MUST decode and remove transfer encodings."



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<p><b>@kazuho</b> approved this pull request.</p>

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<p>I agree about the intent, and I am fine with retaining the SHOULD that we already have. I also like the updated text in the other section that explicitly states that intermediaries "MUST decode and remove transfer encodings."</p>

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FWIW I have some changes staged in my forthcoming editorial PR that harmonizes the requirements language here, even though that is perhaps a little speculative for "just" an editorial PR.

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<p>FWIW I have some changes staged in my forthcoming editorial PR that harmonizes the requirements language here, even though that is perhaps a little speculative for "just" an editorial PR.</p>

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Sec 4.1 and 4.1.2 do not explicitly define `H3_REQUEST_REJECTED`, `H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED`, `H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE` as stream errors. A.4.1 says that `H3_REQUEST_REJECTED` is a stream error. It would be nice if they are explicitly defined as stream errors in Sec 4.1 and 4.1.2.

Also, it would be nice if each error code is categorized to either a connection error or a stream error in Table 4.


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<p>Sec 4.1 and 4.1.2 do not explicitly define <code>H3_REQUEST_REJECTED</code>, <code>H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED</code>, <code>H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE</code> as stream errors. A.4.1 says that <code>H3_REQUEST_REJECTED</code> is a stream error. It would be nice if they are explicitly defined as stream errors in Sec 4.1 and 4.1.2.</p>
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I split a few things out into separate commits in case they need to be excised/reverted.

May be relevant for #4763 .
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Is &quot;schemed&quot; even a real adjective?
  * Mention control stream earlier
  * Generic editorial suggestions noticed during IESG review
  * remove leading hex 0s from IANA error codes table

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (106)

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<p>I split a few things out into separate commits in case they need to be excised/reverted.</p>
<p>May be relevant for <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789470336" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4763" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4763/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4763">#4763</a> .</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Is &quot;schemed&quot; even a real adjective?</li>
  <li>Mention control stream earlier</li>
  <li>Generic editorial suggestions noticed during IESG review</li>
  <li>remove leading hex 0s from IANA error codes table</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767/files#diff-c7364e57fd3b825f8342d91eabf4fa844f1c26127970ccb1af9a1a16a6598165">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>
    (106)
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767.diff</a></li>
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It is clear that unknown error codes are treated as `H3_NO_ERROR` as written in Sec 8. But what about *known* stream errors in `CONNECTION_ERROR` or *known* connection errors in `RESET_STREAM`? For instance, what an endpoint should do in the case of `H3_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM` in `RESET_STREAM`?


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<p>It is clear that unknown error codes are treated as <code>H3_NO_ERROR</code> as written in Sec 8. But what about <em>known</em> stream errors in <code>CONNECTION_ERROR</code> or <em>known</em> connection errors in <code>RESET_STREAM</code>? For instance, what an endpoint should do in the case of <code>H3_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM</code> in <code>RESET_STREAM</code>?</p>

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> @@ -159,7 +159,8 @@ multiplexing, and flow control.  Discovery of an HTTP/3 endpoint is described in
 Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
 ({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
 and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
-({{request-response}}).
+({{request-response}}).  Frames that apply to the entire connection are
+conveyed on a dedicated control stream.

This subtly hints that control messages are well ordered across each other, in contrast to native QUIC control messages.  I got a bit worried about `MAX_PUSH_ID` on my initial read-through as a result, and knowing about the existence of the control stream earlier would have helped.

> @@ -556,7 +558,8 @@ extension could negotiate a modification of this restriction; see
 Pseudo-header fields are only valid in the context in which they are defined.
 Pseudo-header fields defined for requests MUST NOT appear in responses;
 pseudo-header fields defined for responses MUST NOT appear in requests.
-Pseudo-header fields MUST NOT appear in trailers.  Endpoints MUST treat a
+Pseudo-header fields MUST NOT appear in trailer sections.

IIUC the "trailers" vernacular refers to trailer fields, not trailer sections.  The preceding change was made since I was already looking at "trailers" usage, though the existing text doesn't seem incorrect in its own right.

> @@ -1150,9 +1156,8 @@ error of type H3_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.  Connection errors are described in
 
 A pair of unidirectional streams is used rather than a single bidirectional
 stream.  This allows either peer to send data as soon as it is able.  Depending
-on whether 0-RTT is enabled on the QUIC connection, either client or server
-might be able to send stream data first after the cryptographic handshake
-completes.

With 0-RTT the client can send data before the cryptographic handshake completes.

> @@ -1221,8 +1226,8 @@ HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 frames is provided in {{h2-frames}}.
 | Reserved       | Yes            | Yes            | Yes         | {{frame-reserved}}       |
 {: #stream-frame-mapping title="HTTP/3 Frames and Stream Type Overview"}
 
-Certain frames can only occur as the first frame of a particular stream type;
-these are indicated in {{stream-frame-mapping}} with a (1).  Specific guidance
+The SETTINGS frame can only occur as the first frame of a Control stream; this
+is indicated in {{stream-frame-mapping}} with a (1).  Specific guidance

I assume there was more than one such frame at some earlier time.

> @@ -1256,7 +1261,8 @@ Each frame's payload MUST contain exactly the fields identified in its
 description.  A frame payload that contains additional bytes after the
 identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end of the
 identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.
+H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.  In particular, redundant length encodings MUST
+be verified to be self-consistent.

We do call this out in Section 10.8 already, so I don't mind if we skip this.  It might be worth reiterating, though, given how many vulnerabilities this sort of thing has caused.

> @@ -1339,7 +1345,7 @@ error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 CANCEL_PUSH Frame {
   Type (i) = 0x3,
   Length (i),
-  Push ID (..),
+  Push ID (..8),

I was a bit torn on this one, since the unrestricted form matches the generic frame spec more clearly.  OTOH, we have other frame specifications that just put their own specific stuff here, so I figured I would see what we thought.

> -| H3_INTERNAL_ERROR                 | 0x0102     | Internal error                           | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR          | 0x0103     | Stream creation error                    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM         | 0x0104     | Critical stream was closed               | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED               | 0x0105     | Frame not permitted in the current state | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_FRAME_ERROR                    | 0x0106     | Frame violated layout or size rules      | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_EXCESSIVE_LOAD                 | 0x0107     | Peer generating excessive load           | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_ID_ERROR                       | 0x0108     | An identifier was used incorrectly       | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_SETTINGS_ERROR                 | 0x0109     | SETTINGS frame contained invalid values  | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_MISSING_SETTINGS               | 0x010a     | No SETTINGS frame received               | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_REQUEST_REJECTED               | 0x010b     | Request not processed                    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED              | 0x010c     | Data no longer needed                    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE             | 0x010d     | Stream terminated early                  | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_MESSAGE_ERROR                  | 0x010e     | Malformed message                        | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_CONNECT_ERROR                  | 0x010f     | TCP reset or error on CONNECT request    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_VERSION_FALLBACK               | 0x0110     | Retry over HTTP/1.1                      | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| H3_NO_ERROR                       | 0x100      | No error                                 | {{http-error-codes}}   |

As noted in the commit message, this table was the only place in the document that I noticed leading hex zeros.

> @@ -2395,8 +2401,8 @@ frame of the control stream, and thereafter cannot change.  This eliminates many
 corner cases around synchronization of changes.
 
 Some transport-level options that HTTP/2 specifies via the SETTINGS frame are
-superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP/3.  The HTTP-level options that
-are retained in HTTP/3 have the same value as in HTTP/2.  The superseded
+superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP/3.  The HTTP-level setting that
+is retained in HTTP/3 has the same value as in HTTP/2.  The superseded

(As above, I assume there used to be more.)

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560593689">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -159,7 +159,8 @@ multiplexing, and flow control.  Discovery of an HTTP/3 endpoint is described in
 Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
 ({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
 and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
-({{request-response}}).
+({{request-response}}).  Frames that apply to the entire connection are
+conveyed on a dedicated control stream.
</pre>
<p>This subtly hints that control messages are well ordered across each other, in contrast to native QUIC control messages.  I got a bit worried about <code>MAX_PUSH_ID</code> on my initial read-through as a result, and knowing about the existence of the control stream earlier would have helped.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560594143">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -556,7 +558,8 @@ extension could negotiate a modification of this restriction; see
 Pseudo-header fields are only valid in the context in which they are defined.
 Pseudo-header fields defined for requests MUST NOT appear in responses;
 pseudo-header fields defined for responses MUST NOT appear in requests.
-Pseudo-header fields MUST NOT appear in trailers.  Endpoints MUST treat a
+Pseudo-header fields MUST NOT appear in trailer sections.
</pre>
<p>IIUC the "trailers" vernacular refers to trailer fields, not trailer sections.  The preceding change was made since I was already looking at "trailers" usage, though the existing text doesn't seem incorrect in its own right.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560594417">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1150,9 +1156,8 @@ error of type H3_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM.  Connection errors are described in
 
 A pair of unidirectional streams is used rather than a single bidirectional
 stream.  This allows either peer to send data as soon as it is able.  Depending
-on whether 0-RTT is enabled on the QUIC connection, either client or server
-might be able to send stream data first after the cryptographic handshake
-completes.
</pre>
<p>With 0-RTT the client can send data before the cryptographic handshake completes.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560594520">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1221,8 +1226,8 @@ HTTP/2 and HTTP/3 frames is provided in {{h2-frames}}.
 | Reserved       | Yes            | Yes            | Yes         | {{frame-reserved}}       |
 {: #stream-frame-mapping title=&quot;HTTP/3 Frames and Stream Type Overview&quot;}
 
-Certain frames can only occur as the first frame of a particular stream type;
-these are indicated in {{stream-frame-mapping}} with a (1).  Specific guidance
+The SETTINGS frame can only occur as the first frame of a Control stream; this
+is indicated in {{stream-frame-mapping}} with a (1).  Specific guidance
</pre>
<p>I assume there was more than one such frame at some earlier time.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560594849">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1256,7 +1261,8 @@ Each frame&#39;s payload MUST contain exactly the fields identified in its
 description.  A frame payload that contains additional bytes after the
 identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end of the
 identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.
+H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.  In particular, redundant length encodings MUST
+be verified to be self-consistent.
</pre>
<p>We do call this out in Section 10.8 already, so I don't mind if we skip this.  It might be worth reiterating, though, given how many vulnerabilities this sort of thing has caused.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560595190">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1339,7 +1345,7 @@ error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 CANCEL_PUSH Frame {
   Type (i) = 0x3,
   Length (i),
-  Push ID (..),
+  Push ID (..8),
</pre>
<p>I was a bit torn on this one, since the unrestricted form matches the generic frame spec more clearly.  OTOH, we have other frame specifications that just put their own specific stuff here, so I figured I would see what we thought.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560595347">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -| H3_INTERNAL_ERROR                 | 0x0102     | Internal error                           | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_STREAM_CREATION_ERROR          | 0x0103     | Stream creation error                    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_CLOSED_CRITICAL_STREAM         | 0x0104     | Critical stream was closed               | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED               | 0x0105     | Frame not permitted in the current state | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_FRAME_ERROR                    | 0x0106     | Frame violated layout or size rules      | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_EXCESSIVE_LOAD                 | 0x0107     | Peer generating excessive load           | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_ID_ERROR                       | 0x0108     | An identifier was used incorrectly       | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_SETTINGS_ERROR                 | 0x0109     | SETTINGS frame contained invalid values  | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_MISSING_SETTINGS               | 0x010a     | No SETTINGS frame received               | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_REQUEST_REJECTED               | 0x010b     | Request not processed                    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_REQUEST_CANCELLED              | 0x010c     | Data no longer needed                    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE             | 0x010d     | Stream terminated early                  | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_MESSAGE_ERROR                  | 0x010e     | Malformed message                        | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_CONNECT_ERROR                  | 0x010f     | TCP reset or error on CONNECT request    | {{http-error-codes}}   |
-| H3_VERSION_FALLBACK               | 0x0110     | Retry over HTTP/1.1                      | {{http-error-codes}}   |
+| H3_NO_ERROR                       | 0x100      | No error                                 | {{http-error-codes}}   |
</pre>
<p>As noted in the commit message, this table was the only place in the document that I noticed leading hex zeros.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560595601">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2395,8 +2401,8 @@ frame of the control stream, and thereafter cannot change.  This eliminates many
 corner cases around synchronization of changes.
 
 Some transport-level options that HTTP/2 specifies via the SETTINGS frame are
-superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP/3.  The HTTP-level options that
-are retained in HTTP/3 have the same value as in HTTP/2.  The superseded
+superseded by QUIC transport parameters in HTTP/3.  The HTTP-level setting that
+is retained in HTTP/3 has the same value as in HTTP/2.  The superseded
</pre>
<p>(As above, I assume there used to be more.)</p>

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Commenting as an individual.

The error code space is shared between connection and streams. The action associated with a stream error or connection error cause QUIC transport frames to be emitted, which can use a code.

H3 inherits H2's design philosophy that endpoints can generate a connection error at will. So while there are specific cases that describe "treat X as stream error foo", endpoints are also allowed to "treat X as connection error foo".

Constraining the error codes to different uses has a certain appeal. But then what do we say the the receiver of an error code of the wrong type should do? Generate its own error? I think this has come up a couple of times during H3 drafts but I'm satisfied that the flexibility we have today is about the best we can do. 

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<p>Commenting as an individual.</p>
<p>The error code space is shared between connection and streams. The action associated with a stream error or connection error cause QUIC transport frames to be emitted, which can use a code.</p>
<p>H3 inherits H2's design philosophy that endpoints can generate a connection error at will. So while there are specific cases that describe "treat X as stream error foo", endpoints are also allowed to "treat X as connection error foo".</p>
<p>Constraining the error codes to different uses has a certain appeal. But then what do we say the the receiver of an error code of the wrong type should do? Generate its own error? I think this has come up a couple of times during H3 drafts but I'm satisfied that the flexibility we have today is about the best we can do.</p>

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I also think "stream error" and "abort a stream" are unique and consistent terms used through the document. But I'll let Mike spec to that point with his editor hat. 

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<p>I also think "stream error" and "abort a stream" are unique and consistent terms used through the document. But I'll let Mike spec to that point with his editor hat.</p>

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(As an individual) This is a fair observation. But as noted on #4766, trying to enforce accurate usage of error codes is a rocky Road. 

A sensible approach is to hope that the error codes your peer receives might include a specific and accurate error code that can be used for offline debugging or analysis. 

In reality, implementations should be expect generic or inaccurate error codes to be generated by a peer. And it it is in their interests not to build too many runtime application behaviours on top of expectations that might not be met.

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<p>(As an individual) This is a fair observation. But as noted on <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789504640" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4766" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4766/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4766">#4766</a>, trying to enforce accurate usage of error codes is a rocky Road.</p>
<p>A sensible approach is to hope that the error codes your peer receives might include a specific and accurate error code that can be used for offline debugging or analysis.</p>
<p>In reality, implementations should be expect generic or inaccurate error codes to be generated by a peer. And it it is in their interests not to build too many runtime application behaviours on top of expectations that might not be met.</p>

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Even though categorization is not reasonable, Sec 4.1, for instance, should say like "the server SHOULD abort its response and treat as a stream error of type H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE".

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<p>Even though categorization is not reasonable, Sec 4.1, for instance, should say like "the server SHOULD abort its response and treat as a stream error of type H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE".</p>

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Transport draft has this rule: "a generic error code (such as PROTOCOL_VIOLATION or INTERNAL_ERROR) can always be used in place of specific error codes.". Could we use `H3_GENERAL_ERROR` for this purpose?

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<p>Transport draft has this rule: "a generic error code (such as PROTOCOL_VIOLATION or INTERNAL_ERROR) can always be used in place of specific error codes.". Could we use <code>H3_GENERAL_ERROR</code> for this purpose?</p>

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@kazu-yamamoto Yes, I think that is clarified in the definition of `H3_GENERIC_PROTOCOL_ERROR` (see [section 8.1](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-http.html#section-8.1)).

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"Abort" is a defined term in section 2.2. I personally don't see much clarity in the proposal, it threatens to add inconsistency to other places where streams are aborted due to application decisions rather than a protocol error.

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<p>"Abort" is a defined term in section 2.2. I personally don't see much clarity in the proposal, it threatens to add inconsistency to other places where streams are aborted due to application decisions rather than a protocol error.</p>

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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

I've identified what I think is something worth discussing further.  I'll open an issue for that.

> +For a host that is an IP address, the client
 MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
 of the certificate.

Can we fix this sentence to parallel the previous?

> A host identified by an IP address MUST be validated using an iPAddress subjectAltName in a certificate; see {{ref}}.

> @@ -300,9 +301,9 @@ component of the URL.
 If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
 corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
 that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
+host identified in the certificate.  A host identified by DNS name MUST be
+validated either as a CN-ID or a DNS-ID in the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.

IMPORTANT: I'm not sure that we need to elevate CN-ID to MUST.  In doing so, we invalidate what CABF has done: 7.1.4.2.2 clause a of the Baseline Requirements marks subject:commonName as deprecated and discouraged.  My understanding (which I can confirm) is that browsers do not use CN-ID (concretely, the CN field of the certificate subject) and so we might want to just mention the dNSName type of subjectAltName here.  We can *mention* that some clients might use subject:commonName, but that this is a deprecated practice.

I realize that this likely breaks new ground for the RFC series, and it likely needs more disucsion, but maybe we can keep up with the times with this document.

(I apologize for not having caught this earlier; I think that this is copied from elsewhere and that too needs a refresh.)

> +wire, data (HTTP frames)
+is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to

I think that use of "data" is confusing, but I might prefer:

```suggestion
wire, HTTP frames are
framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to
```

> @@ -2337,9 +2343,9 @@ of their frame payload.
 Other than these issues, frame type HTTP/2 extensions are typically portable to
 QUIC simply by replacing Stream 0 in HTTP/2 with a control stream in HTTP/3.
 HTTP/3 extensions will not assume ordering, but would not be harmed by ordering,
-and would be portable to HTTP/2 in the same manner.
+and would be portable to HTTP/2 in the reverse manner.

or just:

```suggestion
and are expected to be portable to HTTP/2.
```

> @@ -159,7 +159,8 @@ multiplexing, and flow control.  Discovery of an HTTP/3 endpoint is described in
 Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
 ({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
 and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
-({{request-response}}).
+({{request-response}}).  Frames that apply to the entire connection are
+conveyed on a dedicated control stream.

The subtlety of the hint is appropriate.  We don't necessarily need ordering for something (MAX_PUSH_ID included), but we benefit from it for some uses.  We don't need to be clear about what has ordering requirements and what doesn't, but this is helpful.

> @@ -1256,7 +1261,8 @@ Each frame's payload MUST contain exactly the fields identified in its
 description.  A frame payload that contains additional bytes after the
 identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end of the
 identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.
+H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.  In particular, redundant length encodings MUST
+be verified to be self-consistent.

If this is a forward reference, then include that reference;

```suggestion
be verified to be self-consistent; see {{frame-parsing}}.
```

> @@ -1339,7 +1345,7 @@ error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 CANCEL_PUSH Frame {
   Type (i) = 0x3,
   Length (i),
-  Push ID (..),
+  Push ID (..8),

```suggestion
  Push ID (i),
```

This is just a varint.  I don't know why this was `(..)` rather than `(i)`.  Probably my fault.

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@kaduk's review of -http identified use of the subject:commonName field in validating server identity.

We should not elevate CN-ID to MUST.  In doing so, we invalidate what CABF has done: 7.1.4.2.2 clause a of the Baseline Requirements marks subject:commonName as deprecated and discouraged.

My understanding (which I can confirm) is that browsers do not use CN-ID (concretely, the CN field of the certificate subject) and so we might want to just mention the dNSName type of subjectAltName here.  We can *mention* that some clients might use subject:commonName, but that this is a deprecated practice.  This accounts for some of the older certificate validation code that still exists in some places.  Some of that does rely on the common name.

I realize that this likely breaks new ground for the RFC series, and it likely needs more discussion, but maybe we can keep up with the times with this document.

(I apologize for not having caught this earlier; I think that this is copied from elsewhere and that too needs a refresh.)

_Originally posted by @martinthomson in https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560635858_

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<p>We should not elevate CN-ID to MUST.  In doing so, we invalidate what CABF has done: 7.1.4.2.2 clause a of the Baseline Requirements marks subject:commonName as deprecated and discouraged.</p>
<p>My understanding (which I can confirm) is that browsers do not use CN-ID (concretely, the CN field of the certificate subject) and so we might want to just mention the dNSName type of subjectAltName here.  We can <em>mention</em> that some clients might use subject:commonName, but that this is a deprecated practice.  This accounts for some of the older certificate validation code that still exists in some places.  Some of that does rely on the common name.</p>
<p>I realize that this likely breaks new ground for the RFC series, and it likely needs more discussion, but maybe we can keep up with the times with this document.</p>
<p>(I apologize for not having caught this earlier; I think that this is copied from elsewhere and that too needs a refresh.)</p>
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> @@ -159,7 +159,8 @@ multiplexing, and flow control.  Discovery of an HTTP/3 endpoint is described in
 Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
 ({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
 and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
-({{request-response}}).
+({{request-response}}).  Frames that apply to the entire connection are
+conveyed on a dedicated control stream.

It also (IIUC) doesn't preclude use of non-STREAM QUIC frames for future HTTP work (datagram?).

> @@ -1256,7 +1261,8 @@ Each frame's payload MUST contain exactly the fields identified in its
 description.  A frame payload that contains additional bytes after the
 identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end of the
 identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.
+H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.  In particular, redundant length encodings MUST
+be verified to be self-consistent.

Good call; I wrote this before I got that far in the doc to know there was a forward reference to make.

> @@ -1339,7 +1345,7 @@ error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 CANCEL_PUSH Frame {
   Type (i) = 0x3,
   Length (i),
-  Push ID (..),
+  Push ID (..8),

Good point; this is better.

> +For a host that is an IP address, the client
 MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
 of the certificate.

Sure, I'll try to remember to do that (but it may not happen until after the telechat).

> @@ -300,9 +301,9 @@ component of the URL.
 If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
 corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
 that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
+host identified in the certificate.  A host identified by DNS name MUST be
+validated either as a CN-ID or a DNS-ID in the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.

Yes, I noticed that as well but was not about to slip it into an "editorial" PR :)

Thanks for filing the issue; I will reference it from my ballot position.
There was another point relating to certificate validation that took me a while to collect my thoughts on and write up, and I want to go over the writeup again before balloting, so I didn't get a chance to mention this topic yet.

> +wire, data (HTTP frames)
+is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to

That looks better than what I have, but "foo frames are framed into" is also a bit awkward, so I'll leave it open for a bit.

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560650371">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -159,7 +159,8 @@ multiplexing, and flow control.  Discovery of an HTTP/3 endpoint is described in
 Within each stream, the basic unit of HTTP/3 communication is a frame
 ({{frames}}).  Each frame type serves a different purpose.  For example, HEADERS
 and DATA frames form the basis of HTTP requests and responses
-({{request-response}}).
+({{request-response}}).  Frames that apply to the entire connection are
+conveyed on a dedicated control stream.
</pre>
<p>It also (IIUC) doesn't preclude use of non-STREAM QUIC frames for future HTTP work (datagram?).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560651823">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1256,7 +1261,8 @@ Each frame&#39;s payload MUST contain exactly the fields identified in its
 description.  A frame payload that contains additional bytes after the
 identified fields or a frame payload that terminates before the end of the
 identified fields MUST be treated as a connection error of type
-H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.
+H3_FRAME_ERROR; see {{errors}}.  In particular, redundant length encodings MUST
+be verified to be self-consistent.
</pre>
<p>Good call; I wrote this before I got that far in the doc to know there was a forward reference to make.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560652176">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1339,7 +1345,7 @@ error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.
 CANCEL_PUSH Frame {
   Type (i) = 0x3,
   Length (i),
-  Push ID (..),
+  Push ID (..8),
</pre>
<p>Good point; this is better.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560651043">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +For a host that is an IP address, the client
 MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
 of the certificate.
</pre>
<p>Sure, I'll try to remember to do that (but it may not happen until after the telechat).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560650833">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -300,9 +301,9 @@ component of the URL.
 If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
 corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
 that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot; scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
+host identified in the certificate.  A host identified by DNS name MUST be
+validated either as a CN-ID or a DNS-ID in the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.
</pre>
<p>Yes, I noticed that as well but was not about to slip it into an "editorial" PR :)</p>
<p>Thanks for filing the issue; I will reference it from my ballot position.<br>
There was another point relating to certificate validation that took me a while to collect my thoughts on and write up, and I want to go over the writeup again before balloting, so I didn't get a chance to mention this topic yet.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560651428">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +wire, data (HTTP frames)
+is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to
</pre>
<p>That looks better than what I have, but "foo frames are framed into" is also a bit awkward, so I'll leave it open for a bit.</p>

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There is some probably relevant discussion for http-semantics at https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/404 (though as was noted recently the change that closed that issue had some issues of its own)

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<p>There is some probably relevant discussion for http-semantics at <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="654900363" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/404" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http-core/issues/404/hovercard" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/404">httpwg/http-core#404</a> (though as was noted recently the change that closed that issue had some issues of its own)</p>

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My example proposal is to replace "the server SHOULD abort its response with the error code H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE" with "the server SHOULD abort its response and treat as a stream error of type H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE" in Sec 4.1. I don't understand why this would introduce inconsistency. 

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<p>My example proposal is to replace "the server SHOULD abort its response with the error code H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE" with "the server SHOULD abort its response and treat as a stream error of type H3_REQUEST_INCOMPLETE" in Sec 4.1. I don't understand why this would introduce inconsistency.</p>

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@kazuho The definition of `H3_GENERIC_PROTOCOL_ERROR` is clear. But my point is that there is no rule to override any *received* HTTP/3 errors with `H3_GENERIC_PROTOCOL_ERROR`.

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If IANA has agreed, then I am fine with it.

BTW, I was not asking to make those zillions of reservations but leaving a note in the registry ;-)

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<p>If IANA has agreed, then I am fine with it.</p>
<p>BTW, I was not asking to make those zillions of reservations but leaving a note in the registry ;-)</p>

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I do not follow your argument about an endpoint rewriting the error code that it _receives_.

IIUC the text that you quoted in [your previous comment](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4768#issuecomment-763256787) is about how a sender might choose an error code. I would also point out that, generally speaking, there is no reason to define how a receiver converts error codes internally. That is because it is something that does not need to be defined by an protocol specification.

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<p>I do not follow your argument about an endpoint rewriting the error code that it <em>receives</em>.</p>
<p>IIUC the text that you quoted in <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4768#issuecomment-763256787" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4768/hovercard">your previous comment</a> is about how a sender might choose an error code. I would also point out that, generally speaking, there is no reason to define how a receiver converts error codes internally. That is because it is something that does not need to be defined by an protocol specification.</p>

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> +An implementation MUST ignore the Value for any SETTINGS identifier it does
 not understand.

This sentence reads weird with or without the suggestion, identifier and value are independent parts of a Setting. The text before the drawing uses "parameter" a bit. Perhaps it is clearer to say something like 

"An implementation MUST ignore parameters with an unknown identifier"?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r560942870">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +An implementation MUST ignore the Value for any SETTINGS identifier it does
 not understand.
</pre>
<p>This sentence reads weird with or without the suggestion, identifier and value are independent parts of a Setting. The text before the drawing uses "parameter" a bit. Perhaps it is clearer to say something like</p>
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@kazu-yamamoto For that particular instance, I think it is not unreasonable to change the text from "SHOULD abort its response with the error code ..." to "SHOULD abort its response *stream* with the error code ...", as the latter is the pattern that we use.

Though I am not sure if such change is necessary; I tend to agree with @LPardue that the sentence is already clear; "abort" is a defined word and use of "response" implies a stream.

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HTTP Semantics refers to the field sections used at particular locations using terms &quot;header section&quot; and &quot;trailer section.&quot; However, the HTTP/3 draft sometimes calls them &quot;header field section&quot; and &quot;trailer field section.&quot;

This PR addresses the inconsistency.

It also fixes one instance &quot;fields section.&quot;
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-- Commit Summary --

  * no &quot;field&quot;
  * &quot;field section&quot; is the term

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (32)

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<p>HTTP Semantics refers to the field sections used at particular locations using terms "header section" and "trailer section." However, the HTTP/3 draft sometimes calls them "header field section" and "trailer field section."</p>
<p>This PR addresses the inconsistency.</p>
<p>It also fixes one instance "fields section."</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>no &quot;field&quot;</li>
  <li>&quot;field section&quot; is the term</li>
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Agree with Kazuho that the instructions for error code usage are made from the error generator and sender, not the error receiver. 

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<p>Agree with Kazuho that the instructions for error code usage are made from the error generator and sender, not the error receiver.</p>

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WRT inconsistency, the editor would need to sweep for all instances of abort and reason about whether they need additional text or not. And there's a risk that someone later on picks up on an inconsistency of usage because they didn't appreciate the nuance. Since adding more detail after an instance of `abort` seems duplicative, I would favour not adding any more.

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<p>WRT inconsistency, the editor would need to sweep for all instances of abort and reason about whether they need additional text or not. And there's a risk that someone later on picks up on an inconsistency of usage because they didn't appreciate the nuance. Since adding more detail after an instance of <code>abort</code> seems duplicative, I would favour not adding any more.</p>

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Have you checked to make sure QPACK matches as well?



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<p><b>@MikeBishop</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>Have you checked to make sure QPACK matches as well?</p>

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I'm okay with @kazuhu's addition of "stream" since abort is defined as a stream operation.  I don't think we need to separate out "abort" and "stream error" as separate statements, because abort already describes what needs to be done.

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<p>I'm okay with @kazuhu's addition of "stream" since abort is defined as a stream operation.  I don't think we need to separate out "abort" and "stream error" as separate statements, because abort already describes what needs to be done.</p>

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> * s/as wells as/as well as/

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> Compression out of the LPWAN WG ? As there are similarities.

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@barryleiba, This is text imported mostly-unchanged from RFC7540, but I'm always happy to improve upon the past.  This point actually [came up](https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4747#discussion_r560289484) in the discussion of #4747, which is rewording that paragraph slightly, but your point would still remain with the new text.

The key is that HTTP fields are an extension point, and some fields are defined to have hop-by-hop semantics.  The endpoint necessarily knows the meaning of all fields it generates, and so we can tell it that it MUST NOT generate a field with hop-by-hop semantics.  However, the intermediary does not necessarily know the meaning of all fields some other endpoint sends through it.  Another way to read this is "MUST remove all fields which are known to have hop-by-hop semantics, but we acknowledge you might miss some"; that's a difficult requirement to test.  We've tended to use SHOULD for unenforceable MUSTs throughout these documents.

If you'd like to suggest a better way to phrase it, I'm open to incorporating it into #4747 or a follow-up.

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I do not believe we did.

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@kaduk said=0D
=0D
> I also think that the procedure, as written, for coalescing HTTP=0D
> requests against different URI authority components onto a single HTTP/=
3=0D
> connection is under-specified and seems inconsistent both with earlier=0D=

> WG conclusions and with previous IETF-mandated practices for certificat=
e=0D
> validation.=0D
>=0D
> [begin historical tracethrough]=0D
> There appears to be quite a long history in this space (and I probably=0D=

> missed some of it, even).  The idea of coalescing has been around back=0D=

> from the days when we only allowed Alt-Svc as discovery for using QUIC=0D=

> (no direct access), with=0D
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/940 being an early issue=0D=

> leading to https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1024/files, with=0D=

> text that requires both Alt-Svc and valid certificate in order to be=0D=

> authoritative.  Then we had=0D
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2223 that notes that this=0D=

> Alt-Svc requirement is more restrictive than RFC 7540, which allegedly=0D=

> only requires the certificate to match a given name.  (One might argue=0D=

> that 7540's "additionally depends on having a certificate that is valid=
"=0D
> implies the "depends on the host having resolved to the same IP address=
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> still applies, though of course ORIGIN weakens that if it was ever=0D
> present and this is not terribly relevant to the current question.)=0D
> Comments on #2223 seem to confirm that the intent is to largely paralle=
l=0D
> what HTTP/2 does; I'll come back to that in a bit.  The corresponding=0D=

> text changes here are=0D
> https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3558/files that brings in th=
e=0D
> concept that "a server is considered authoritative for all URIs with th=
e=0D
> 'https' scheme for which the hostname in the URI is present in the=0D
> authenticated certificate provided by the server, either as [...]".=0D
> This text got moved a bit and reworded slightly in response to the=0D
> secdir review (https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4419/files),=0D=

> but the intent is largely still present as "If a server presents a vali=
d=0D
> certificate and proof that it controls the corresponding private key,=0D=

> then a client will accept a secured TLS session with that server as=0D
> being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a host=0D=

> identified in the certificate."=0D
> [end historical tracethrough]=0D
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> So now we have text that says:=0D
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> >   If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls=
=0D
> >   the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured=0D=

> >   TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins=
=0D
> >   with the "https" scheme and a host identified in the certificate.=0D=

>=0D
> This seems problematic to me, and divergent from HTTP/2, in that it=0D
> focuses on the contents of a certificate *all* being valid/authoritativ=
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> as opposed to a certificate being valid for a given host/name.  To quot=
e=0D
> =C2=A79.1.1 of RFC 7540:=0D
>=0D
> >   For "https" resources, connection reuse additionally depends on=0D
> >   having a certificate that is valid for the host in the URI.  The=0D=

> >   certificate presented by the server MUST satisfy any checks that th=
e=0D
> >   client would perform when forming a new TLS connection for the host=
=0D
> >   in the URI.=0D
>=0D
> A representative discussion of these checks is included in RFC 6125, an=
d=0D
> the general procedure for (server) certificate validation takes as inpu=
t a=0D
> candidate name of a service or entity that the client is attempting to=0D=

> contact, a certificate (chain) and signature presented by the server,=0D=

> and the application context in which the decision is being made [0].  I=
n=0D
> short, the question is always "do I (as the client) trust the peer=0D
> entity to act as this specific name?", and the answer may differ across=
=0D
> names present in a single certificate!  So I think we need to refresh=0D=

> this text once more, to bring back the sense that for each name that we=
=0D
> might want to allow the server to act as an authority for, we have to d=
o=0D
> the normal validation checks.  Saying that we validate a certificate=0D=

> once along with proof of possession of its private key and then the=0D
> holder of the key is a valid authority for all names in the certificate=
=0D
> invites violation of the client's security policy.  For example, the=0D=

> client's trust database might not allow the CA(s) in the presented chai=
n=0D
> to certify some of the names contained in the certificate, among other=0D=

> reasons.=0D
>=0D
> (discuss point 2.1)=0D
> There is probably some extra excitement surrounding revocation, in that=
=0D
> the "normal certificate validation procedures" typically involve some f=
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> of attempt at a revocation check.  What should happen if this check=0D
> determines that the certificate has been revoked is not entirely clear.=
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> Presumably the attempt to use a new name from the certificate would=0D
> fail, but does it also imply that the entire connection should be torn=0D=

> down, since it was built using the now-revoked certificate?=0D
>=0D
> (discuss point 2.2)=0D
> In practice, the procedure of "check the name in question against the=0D=

> certificate chain" seems to mean that a client that is willing to=0D
> coalesce connections needs to retain the certificate and chain presente=
d=0D
> by the peer, so that it is available as input to the certificate=0D
> validation engine (typically accessed via the TLS stack, I suppose) at=0D=

> the time when an authentication decision needs to be made for a given=0D=

> name.  This operational practice, as well as the actual mechanics of=0D=

> running a fresh certificate validation procedure, should probably be=0D=

> mentioned down in Section 3.3 where we discuss the actual connection re=
use=0D
> procedures.  In particular, I think it would be very benficial to=0D
> indicate what protocol interactions trigger an attempt by the client to=
=0D
> validate a new name from the certificate for use as the authority for=0D=

> HTTP responses, as well as to note clearly that the certificate+chain=0D=

> have to be retained in order to run these checks.=0D
>=0D
> (discuss point 2.3)=0D
> I think we should also look at the procedures for server push as they=0D=

> relate to coalescing; my understanding is that pushed responses are=0D
> allowed to be for requests to a different authority, and thus that a=0D=

> client will need to discard or reject pushes that are from an authority=
=0D
> that the client does not accept the peer as being authoritative for.  I=
=0D
> guess this is in some sense a check that the client always has to do fo=
r=0D
> all pushed responses, but I'm not entirely sure whether or where that i=
s=0D
> currently described.=0D
>=0D
> [0] This context includes things like the set of trust anchors, as well=
=0D
> as potentially information about restrictions on trust anchors,=0D
> revocation checks, pinning or other restrictive information that reduce=
s=0D
> the set of CAs that might be allowed to certify a given name, etc.=0D
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<p></p>=0D
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<p>I also think that the procedure, as written, for coalescing HTTP<br>=0D=

requests against different URI authority components onto a single HTTP/3<=
br>=0D
connection is under-specified and seems inconsistent both with earlier<br=
>=0D
WG conclusions and with previous IETF-mandated practices for certificate<=
br>=0D
validation.</p>=0D
<p>[begin historical tracethrough]<br>=0D
There appears to be quite a long history in this space (and I probably<br=
>=0D
missed some of it, even).  The idea of coalescing has been around back<br=
>=0D
from the days when we only allowed Alt-Svc as discovery for using QUIC<br=
>=0D
(no direct access), with<br>=0D
<a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load t=
itle" data-id=3D"274704682" data-permission-text=3D"Title is private" dat=
a-url=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/940" data-hovercard=
-type=3D"issue" data-hovercard-url=3D"/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/940/hove=
rcard" href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/940">#940</a>=
 being an early issue<br>=0D
leading to <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1024/fil=
es">https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/1024/files</a>, with<br>=0D=

text that requires both Alt-Svc and valid certificate in order to be<br>=0D=

authoritative.  Then we had<br>=0D
<a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Failed to load t=
itle" data-id=3D"393243679" data-permission-text=3D"Title is private" dat=
a-url=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2223" data-hovercar=
d-type=3D"issue" data-hovercard-url=3D"/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2223/ho=
vercard" href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2223">#2223=
</a> that notes that this<br>=0D
Alt-Svc requirement is more restrictive than RFC 7540, which allegedly<br=
>=0D
only requires the certificate to match a given name.  (One might argue<br=
>=0D
that 7540's "additionally depends on having a certificate that is valid"<=
br>=0D
implies the "depends on the host having resolved to the same IP address"<=
br>=0D
still applies, though of course ORIGIN weakens that if it was ever<br>=0D=

present and this is not terribly relevant to the current question.)<br>=0D=

Comments on <a class=3D"issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text=3D"Fail=
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private" data-url=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/2223" d=
ata-hovercard-type=3D"issue" data-hovercard-url=3D"/quicwg/base-drafts/is=
sues/2223/hovercard" href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues=
/2223">#2223</a> seem to confirm that the intent is to largely parallel<b=
r>=0D
what HTTP/2 does; I'll come back to that in a bit.  The corresponding<br>=
=0D
text changes here are<br>=0D
<a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3558/files">https:/=
/github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/3558/files</a> that brings in the<br>=
=0D
concept that "a server is considered authoritative for all URIs with the<=
br>=0D
'https' scheme for which the hostname in the URI is present in the<br>=0D=

authenticated certificate provided by the server, either as [...]".<br>=0D=

This text got moved a bit and reworded slightly in response to the<br>=0D=

secdir review (<a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4419=
/files">https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4419/files</a>),<br>=0D=

but the intent is largely still present as "If a server presents a valid<=
br>=0D
certificate and proof that it controls the corresponding private key,<br>=
=0D
then a client will accept a secured TLS session with that server as<br>=0D=

being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a host<br=
>=0D
identified in the certificate."<br>=0D
[end historical tracethrough]</p>=0D
<p>So now we have text that says:</p>=0D
<blockquote>=0D
<p>If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls<br=
>=0D
the corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured<br>=0D=

TLS session with that server as being authoritative for all origins<br>=0D=

with the "https" scheme and a host identified in the certificate.</p>=0D
</blockquote>=0D
<p>This seems problematic to me, and divergent from HTTP/2, in that it<br=
>=0D
focuses on the contents of a certificate <em>all</em> being valid/authori=
tative,<br>=0D
as opposed to a certificate being valid for a given host/name.  To quote<=
br>=0D
=C2=A79.1.1 of RFC 7540:</p>=0D
<blockquote>=0D
<p>For "https" resources, connection reuse additionally depends on<br>=0D=

having a certificate that is valid for the host in the URI.  The<br>=0D
certificate presented by the server MUST satisfy any checks that the<br>=0D=

client would perform when forming a new TLS connection for the host<br>=0D=

in the URI.</p>=0D
</blockquote>=0D
<p>A representative discussion of these checks is included in RFC 6125, a=
nd<br>=0D
the general procedure for (server) certificate validation takes as input =
a<br>=0D
candidate name of a service or entity that the client is attempting to<br=
>=0D
contact, a certificate (chain) and signature presented by the server,<br>=
=0D
and the application context in which the decision is being made [0].  In<=
br>=0D
short, the question is always "do I (as the client) trust the peer<br>=0D=

entity to act as this specific name?", and the answer may differ across<b=
r>=0D
names present in a single certificate!  So I think we need to refresh<br>=
=0D
this text once more, to bring back the sense that for each name that we<b=
r>=0D
might want to allow the server to act as an authority for, we have to do<=
br>=0D
the normal validation checks.  Saying that we validate a certificate<br>=0D=

once along with proof of possession of its private key and then the<br>=0D=

holder of the key is a valid authority for all names in the certificate<b=
r>=0D
invites violation of the client's security policy.  For example, the<br>=0D=

client's trust database might not allow the CA(s) in the presented chain<=
br>=0D
to certify some of the names contained in the certificate, among other<br=
>=0D
reasons.</p>=0D
<p>(discuss point 2.1)<br>=0D
There is probably some extra excitement surrounding revocation, in that<b=
r>=0D
the "normal certificate validation procedures" typically involve some for=
m<br>=0D
of attempt at a revocation check.  What should happen if this check<br>=0D=

determines that the certificate has been revoked is not entirely clear.<b=
r>=0D
Presumably the attempt to use a new name from the certificate would<br>=0D=

fail, but does it also imply that the entire connection should be torn<br=
>=0D
down, since it was built using the now-revoked certificate?</p>=0D
<p>(discuss point 2.2)<br>=0D
In practice, the procedure of "check the name in question against the<br>=
=0D
certificate chain" seems to mean that a client that is willing to<br>=0D
coalesce connections needs to retain the certificate and chain presented<=
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by the peer, so that it is available as input to the certificate<br>=0D
validation engine (typically accessed via the TLS stack, I suppose) at<br=
>=0D
the time when an authentication decision needs to be made for a given<br>=
=0D
name.  This operational practice, as well as the actual mechanics of<br>=0D=

running a fresh certificate validation procedure, should probably be<br>=0D=

mentioned down in Section 3.3 where we discuss the actual connection reus=
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procedures.  In particular, I think it would be very benficial to<br>=0D
indicate what protocol interactions trigger an attempt by the client to<b=
r>=0D
validate a new name from the certificate for use as the authority for<br>=
=0D
HTTP responses, as well as to note clearly that the certificate+chain<br>=
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have to be retained in order to run these checks.</p>=0D
<p>(discuss point 2.3)<br>=0D
I think we should also look at the procedures for server push as they<br>=
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relate to coalescing; my understanding is that pushed responses are<br>=0D=

allowed to be for requests to a different authority, and thus that a<br>=0D=

client will need to discard or reject pushes that are from an authority<b=
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that the client does not accept the peer as being authoritative for.  I<b=
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guess this is in some sense a check that the client always has to do for<=
br>=0D
all pushed responses, but I'm not entirely sure whether or where that is<=
br>=0D
currently described.</p>=0D
<p>[0] This context includes things like the set of trust anchors, as wel=
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as potentially information about restrictions on trust anchors,<br>=0D
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> Thanks to Hilarie Orman for the secdir review and to the team for
> responding to it!  It looks like one of the secdir review comments
> didn't get its own github issue, so perhaps we can discuss it now:
>
> > I would like to see the Security Considerations spell out exactly
> > what security features HTTP expects from QUIC.
>
> Perhaps we could add a line to Section 1.2 where we discuss how QUIC
> provides comparable confidentiality and integrity to TLS+TCP, along the
> lines of "HTTP/3 relies on QUIC to provide that confidentiality and
> integrity protection of data, as well as to provide peer authentication
> and reliable, in-order, per-stream delivery."

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<p>Thanks to Hilarie Orman for the secdir review and to the team for<br>
responding to it!  It looks like one of the secdir review comments<br>
didn't get its own github issue, so perhaps we can discuss it now:</p>
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<p>I would like to see the Security Considerations spell out exactly<br>
what security features HTTP expects from QUIC.</p>
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<p>Perhaps we could add a line to Section 1.2 where we discuss how QUIC<br>
provides comparable confidentiality and integrity to TLS+TCP, along the<br>
lines of "HTTP/3 relies on QUIC to provide that confidentiality and<br>
integrity protection of data, as well as to provide peer authentication<br>
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@kaduk said

> With all HTTP/3 frames being sent on QUIC streams, including
> connection-wide control frames on the control stream, we are in the
> situation where QUIC flow control can prevent the conveyance of HTTP
> control messages.  This is in some sense covered in Appendix A.2.3,
> since "all HTTP/3 frame types defined in this document are sent on
> streams", but the corresponding PR discussion seems to have mostly
> focused on how this applies to request/response headers, and while the
> discussion in #204 does confirm that it is intentional for flow control
> to apply, that doesn't really cover whether it is worth noting as a
> potentially surprising difference from HTTP/2.  While the HTTP frames
> currently defined for the control stream might not be too catastrophic
> to be blocked from sending (assuming that SETTINGS will typically get
> through in the initial window), I do still wonder if giving specific
> guidance on flow control for the HTTP control stream could be useful.
> (E.g., calling out that an endpoint might terminate the connection if
> blocked by flow control on the control stream for an extended duration,
> or even requiring preferential treatment for window updates.)

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<p>With all HTTP/3 frames being sent on QUIC streams, including<br>
connection-wide control frames on the control stream, we are in the<br>
situation where QUIC flow control can prevent the conveyance of HTTP<br>
control messages.  This is in some sense covered in Appendix A.2.3,<br>
since "all HTTP/3 frame types defined in this document are sent on<br>
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potentially surprising difference from HTTP/2.  While the HTTP frames<br>
currently defined for the control stream might not be too catastrophic<br>
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> Section 4.1.1
>
> >  Such intermediaries
> >   SHOULD also remove other connection-specific fields, such as Keep-
> >   Alive, Proxy-Connection, Transfer-Encoding, and Upgrade, even if they
> >   are not nominated by the Connection field.
>
> I don't understand why Transfer-Encoding is intrinsically
> connection-scoped.  [HTTP11] seems to discuss it acting on a "message"
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> Section 9
>
> Is there anything useful to say about whether an HTTP extension might
> want to make use of QUIC frames other than STREAM?  In the spirit of
> greasing, I worry that if we don't say something, "all HTTP/3 frames go
> in QUIC STREAM frames" might become an implicit invariant.  (Yes, I know
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<p>Section 9</p>
<p>Is there anything useful to say about whether an HTTP extension might<br>
want to make use of QUIC frames other than STREAM?  In the spirit of<br>
greasing, I worry that if we don't say something, "all HTTP/3 frames go<br>
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@kaduk said

> Section 10.5.2
>
> There is some good discussion in [HTTP-SEMANTICS] about the risk of
> CONNECT being used as an arbitrary tunnel, that is probably worth
> referencing from here.
>
> >   The CONNECT method can be used to create disproportionate load on a
> >   proxy, since stream creation is relatively inexpensive when compared
> >   to the creation and maintenance of a TCP connection.  A proxy might
> >   also maintain some resources for a TCP connection beyond the closing
> >   of the stream that carries the CONNECT request, since the outgoing
> >   TCP connection remains in the TIME_WAIT state.  Therefore, a proxy
> >   cannot rely on QUIC stream limits alone to control the resources
> >   consumed by CONNECT requests.
>
> I'm not sure how well this last sentence translates from HTTP/2 to
> HTTP/3 -- in HTTP/2 the limit is on the number of concurrent streams,
> but QUIC gives a hard cap on the absolute stream number, so IIUC an
> endpoint could refuse to allow new streams until TCP state had quiesced.
> (Of course, this would also prevent any new HTTP requests from being
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<p>Section 10.5.2</p>
<p>There is some good discussion in [HTTP-SEMANTICS] about the risk of<br>
CONNECT being used as an arbitrary tunnel, that is probably worth<br>
referencing from here.</p>
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<p>The CONNECT method can be used to create disproportionate load on a<br>
proxy, since stream creation is relatively inexpensive when compared<br>
to the creation and maintenance of a TCP connection.  A proxy might<br>
also maintain some resources for a TCP connection beyond the closing<br>
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cannot rely on QUIC stream limits alone to control the resources<br>
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<p>I'm not sure how well this last sentence translates from HTTP/2 to<br>
HTTP/3 -- in HTTP/2 the limit is on the number of concurrent streams,<br>
but QUIC gives a hard cap on the absolute stream number, so IIUC an<br>
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@kaduk said:

> Section 10.9
>
> I think it might be worth another sentence to reiterate that when
> [HTTP-REPLAY] talks about "the TLS layer", this applies to the TLS
> handshake layer as used as part of QUIC v1, and when it talks about
> "early data" that means QUIC 0-RTT.  FWIW, I made a quick pass through
> RFC 8470 to look for references to TLS, and didn't find any references
> to TLS that would not also apply to QUIC v1's usage of TLS.  (It does
> have things like "early data received on that TLS connection" that do
> not strictly speaking apply to HTTP/3, but I don't see that one as
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<p>Section 10.9</p>
<p>I think it might be worth another sentence to reiterate that when<br>
[HTTP-REPLAY] talks about "the TLS layer", this applies to the TLS<br>
handshake layer as used as part of QUIC v1, and when it talks about<br>
"early data" that means QUIC 0-RTT.  FWIW, I made a quick pass through<br>
RFC 8470 to look for references to TLS, and didn't find any references<br>
to TLS that would not also apply to QUIC v1's usage of TLS.  (It does<br>
have things like "early data received on that TLS connection" that do<br>
not strictly speaking apply to HTTP/3, but I don't see that one as<br>
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> Section 11.2.2
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> I note that RFC 7540 marked setting code 0x0 reserved for h2; should we
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> Section 12.1
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> [ALTSVC] doesn't exactly seem to be referenced in a normative manner
> anymore.  Back when it was the only way to do HTTP/3 it made sense, but
> the current description seems mostly to be saying that "other services
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> Section 12.2
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> Appendix A.3
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> (nit) I note that A.2.5 gave the codepoints for the HTTP/2 frame types being
> discussed; should do the analogous thing for HTTP/2 settings types?

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<p>(nit) I note that A.2.5 gave the codepoints for the HTTP/2 frame types being<br>
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No, we didn't.  It's possible there would be some concepts we could have borrowed, but from a cursory examination, SCHC appears to be a framework for building a compression scheme rather than a concrete compression scheme.  Given the focus on reducing individual bits and bytes out, I'm not sure whether we would have adopted that framework.

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No changes are required indeed as it is way too late.=0D
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Section 9.4 in Transport(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.4) does a nice job of explaining the RTT and congestion control implications of migration, but given one might reasonably expect some or all of that text to exist in recovery, I think it makes sense to reference it more.

In particular, "Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path." is a useful sentence.


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<p>Section 9.4 in Transport(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.4" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.4</a>) does a nice job of explaining the RTT and congestion control implications of migration, but given one might reasonably expect some or all of that text to exist in recovery, I think it makes sense to reference it more.</p>
<p>In particular, "Packets sent on the old path MUST NOT contribute to congestion control or RTT estimation for the new path." is a useful sentence.</p>

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>From the transport draft&#39;s connection migration section.

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  * Reference &quot;Loss Detection and Congestion Control&quot;

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<p>From the transport draft's connection migration section.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4786.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790322754" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4786" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4786/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4786">#4786</a></p>

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Given that QPACK's precursor, HPACK, was published in 2015 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7541 I'm surprised to see that SCHC has no mention of it ;-)

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<p>Given that QPACK's precursor, HPACK, was published in 2015 <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7541" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7541</a> I'm surprised to see that SCHC has no mention of it ;-)</p>

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I agree, and it's one of the things that concerns me about certain WGs forgoing meeting during IETF week and having interims instead; there's even less awareness of what other WGs are working on and where they can overlap.  I do wish there'd been contact in either direction sooner, in case either group had ideas the other could have used.  But here we are.

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On the bright side, I don't think SCHC would be applicable to HTTP/3 (or at least not be an improvement over HPACK).

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Section 9.3 of Transport(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.3) says:

"If the recipient permits the migration, it MUST send subsequent
   packets to the new peer address and MUST initiate path validation
   (Section 8.2) to verify the peer's ownership of the address if
   validation is not already underway."

In section 9.5(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.5)

"Similarly, an endpoint MUST NOT reuse a connection ID when sending to
   more than one destination address.  Due to network changes outside
   the control of its peer, an endpoint might receive packets from a new
   source address with the same destination connection ID, in which case
   it MAY continue to use the current connection ID with the new remote
   address while still sending from the same local address."

So as long as it's an unintentional change, everything is clear.  But if the destination address changes and the incoming CID changes, but the sender(ie: server) doesn't have any more CIDs, it's not clear what should be done, as the two MUSTs seem to contradict one another.  Or maybe they imply the server can't send anything?

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<p>Section 9.3 of Transport(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.3" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.3</a>) says:</p>
<p>"If the recipient permits the migration, it MUST send subsequent<br>
packets to the new peer address and MUST initiate path validation<br>
(Section 8.2) to verify the peer's ownership of the address if<br>
validation is not already underway."</p>
<p>In section 9.5(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.5" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-9.5</a>)</p>
<p>"Similarly, an endpoint MUST NOT reuse a connection ID when sending to<br>
more than one destination address.  Due to network changes outside<br>
the control of its peer, an endpoint might receive packets from a new<br>
source address with the same destination connection ID, in which case<br>
it MAY continue to use the current connection ID with the new remote<br>
address while still sending from the same local address."</p>
<p>So as long as it's an unintentional change, everything is clear.  But if the destination address changes and the incoming CID changes, but the sender(ie: server) doesn't have any more CIDs, it's not clear what should be done, as the two MUSTs seem to contradict one another.  Or maybe they imply the server can't send anything?</p>

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Later in 9.5, there's also this text that is relevant, but I don't think it clarifies how to resolve the MUSTs.

"   An endpoint that exhausts available connection IDs cannot probe new
   paths or initiate migration, nor can it respond to probes or attempts
   by its peer to migrate.  To ensure that migration is possible and
   packets sent on different paths cannot be correlated, endpoints
   SHOULD provide new connection IDs before peers migrate; see
   Section 5.1.1.  If a peer might have exhausted available connection
   IDs, a migrating endpoint could include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in
   all packets sent on a new network path."

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<p>Later in 9.5, there's also this text that is relevant, but I don't think it clarifies how to resolve the MUSTs.</p>
<p>"   An endpoint that exhausts available connection IDs cannot probe new<br>
paths or initiate migration, nor can it respond to probes or attempts<br>
by its peer to migrate.  To ensure that migration is possible and<br>
packets sent on different paths cannot be correlated, endpoints<br>
SHOULD provide new connection IDs before peers migrate; see<br>
Section 5.1.1.  If a peer might have exhausted available connection<br>
IDs, a migrating endpoint could include a NEW_CONNECTION_ID frame in<br>
all packets sent on a new network path."</p>

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As @mnot [pointed out](https://github.com/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804#issuecomment-763256742) in https://github.com/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804, the core HTTP spec now has [the same rules](https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-latest.html#field.connection), written more clearly.  We should just reference them.

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<p>As <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/mnot/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/mnot">@mnot</a> <a href="https://github.com/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804#issuecomment-763256742" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804/hovercard">pointed out</a> in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789378164" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804/hovercard" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/804">httpwg/http2-spec#804</a>, the core HTTP spec now has <a href="https://httpwg.org/http-core/draft-ietf-httpbis-semantics-latest.html#field.connection" rel="nofollow">the same rules</a>, written more clearly.  We should just reference them.</p>

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I think that the main concern here is addressed by a change - or addition - to the text that Ben quoted.  That is, we change from the determination of authority being made universally based on the set of names in the certificate (a passive determination, if you will) to the per-name, query-based approach that we generally have (an active seeking of authority).

As the quoted text could be read as non-normative when placed besides more specific text with clear normative force.

The other points might benefit from clarification, but the problem largely stems from this passive definition of authority.

Regarding revocation checks that succeed at handshake time, but fail later, I would suggest the answer only affects the determination of authority for the name that is queried.  That is consistent with the per-name, query-based approach.  The idea that the connection might be torn down is not consistent with that.

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<p>I think that the main concern here is addressed by a change - or addition - to the text that Ben quoted.  That is, we change from the determination of authority being made universally based on the set of names in the certificate (a passive determination, if you will) to the per-name, query-based approach that we generally have (an active seeking of authority).</p>
<p>As the quoted text could be read as non-normative when placed besides more specific text with clear normative force.</p>
<p>The other points might benefit from clarification, but the problem largely stems from this passive definition of authority.</p>
<p>Regarding revocation checks that succeed at handshake time, but fail later, I would suggest the answer only affects the determination of authority for the name that is queried.  That is consistent with the per-name, query-based approach.  The idea that the connection might be torn down is not consistent with that.</p>

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If I was worried too much, no change is necessary. One alternative approach is to add a sentence like "errors in this section are stream errors" in the beginning of Sec 4.

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<p>If I was worried too much, no change is necessary. One alternative approach is to add a sentence like "errors in this section are stream errors" in the beginning of Sec 4.</p>

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With the comments above, is the following interpretation correct?

- If `RESET_STREAM` is received and the error code is defined but not `H3_NO_ERROR`, the stream is reset.
- If `CONNECTION_CLOSE` is received, the connection is closed regardless of the error code.


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<p>With the comments above, is the following interpretation correct?</p>
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<li>If <code>RESET_STREAM</code> is received and the error code is defined but not <code>H3_NO_ERROR</code>, the stream is reset.</li>
<li>If <code>CONNECTION_CLOSE</code> is received, the connection is closed regardless of the error code.</li>
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I think if you receive a RESET_STREAM then the stream is terminated regardless of the code that was provided. Specifically speaking, we require endpoints to handle unknown error codes - they can't do anything with them but they need to run the protocol machinery and NOT interpret the unknown code as an error.

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<p>I think if you receive a RESET_STREAM then the stream is terminated regardless of the code that was provided. Specifically speaking, we require endpoints to handle unknown error codes - they can't do anything with them but they need to run the protocol machinery and NOT interpret the unknown code as an error.</p>

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Yes, RESET_STREAM ends the stream (in that direction), no matter the code.  Similarly, CONNECTION_CLOSE ends the connection, no matter the code.

The reason for the H3_NO_ERROR rule is that we don't want recipients doing something special in response to unknown codes.  They need to handle termination, but they can't do anything *else*.  Understanding the code might allow them to do other things, like retry requests or apply other rules, but that always needs to be discretionary.

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<p>Yes, RESET_STREAM ends the stream (in that direction), no matter the code.  Similarly, CONNECTION_CLOSE ends the connection, no matter the code.</p>
<p>The reason for the H3_NO_ERROR rule is that we don't want recipients doing something special in response to unknown codes.  They need to handle termination, but they can't do anything <em>else</em>.  Understanding the code might allow them to do other things, like retry requests or apply other rules, but that always needs to be discretionary.</p>

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@MikeBishop Of course I did (not). Done in 18c0242.

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> @@ -1203,9 +1204,9 @@ the dynamic table state. If a guess is compressed into a shorter length, the
 attacker can observe the encoded length and infer that the guess was correct.
 
 This is possible even over the Transport Layer Security Protocol (TLS, see
-{{?TLS=RFC8446}}), because while TLS provides confidentiality protection for
-content, it only provides a limited amount of protection for the length of that
-content.
+{{?TLS=RFC8446}}) and QUIC Transport Protocol (see {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), because
+while TLS and QUIC provide confidentiality protection for content, they only
+provides a limited amount of protection for the length of that content.

Perhaps we should just not mention TLS at all?

> @@ -1235,12 +1236,12 @@ recovered successfully. However, values with low entropy remain vulnerable.
 Attacks of this nature are possible any time that two mutually distrustful
 entities control requests or responses that are placed onto a single HTTP/3
 connection. If the shared QPACK compressor permits one entity to add entries to
-the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries to encode chosen field

If you can "access" those entries, you're done already :)

> @@ -1277,6 +1279,11 @@ different values.  This penalty could cause a large number of attempts to guess
 a field value to result in the field not being compared to the dynamic table
 entries in future messages, effectively preventing further guesses.
 
+This response might be made inversely proportional to the length of the
+field value. Disabling access to the dynamic table for a given field name might
+occur for shorter values more quickly or with higher probability than for longer
+values.
+

This is just  moving the related paragraph up so the note appears at the end.

> @@ -1339,7 +1341,7 @@ An attacker can try to cause an endpoint to exhaust its memory. QPACK is
 designed to limit both the peak and stable amounts of memory allocated by an
 endpoint.
 
-The amount of memory used by the encoder is limited by the protocol using
+The amount of memory used by the decoder is limited by the protocol using

In some sense this is true as it is, but that's not a terribly interesting statement to make -- the encoder can limit its memory usage unilaterally, and could be sloppily implemented and exceed the protocol-conveyed limit.

> @@ -1717,7 +1719,7 @@ Stream: Decoder
                                3   0  custom-key  custom-value
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=217

The table hasn't changed from the previous state, properly shown as 217 bytes.

> @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214

I attempted to count the difference between `:authoritywww.example.com` and `custom-keycustom-value2`.

> @@ -1787,8 +1789,8 @@ for line in field_lines:
 
 # encode the prefix
 if requiredInsertCount == 0:
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)

encodeIndexReference() is shown earlier with a different signature.  I know pythonic things do have optional parameters, but this seems to match the encodeInteger() signature perfectly, so I assume it was just an incomplete edit.  Though, stylistically perhaps the second argument should be `0x00` rather than a literal `0`.

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561380279">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1203,9 +1204,9 @@ the dynamic table state. If a guess is compressed into a shorter length, the
 attacker can observe the encoded length and infer that the guess was correct.
 
 This is possible even over the Transport Layer Security Protocol (TLS, see
-{{?TLS=RFC8446}}), because while TLS provides confidentiality protection for
-content, it only provides a limited amount of protection for the length of that
-content.
+{{?TLS=RFC8446}}) and QUIC Transport Protocol (see {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), because
+while TLS and QUIC provide confidentiality protection for content, they only
+provides a limited amount of protection for the length of that content.
</pre>
<p>Perhaps we should just not mention TLS at all?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561380682">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1235,12 +1236,12 @@ recovered successfully. However, values with low entropy remain vulnerable.
 Attacks of this nature are possible any time that two mutually distrustful
 entities control requests or responses that are placed onto a single HTTP/3
 connection. If the shared QPACK compressor permits one entity to add entries to
-the dynamic table, and the other to access those entries to encode chosen field
</pre>
<p>If you can "access" those entries, you're done already :)</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561381017">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1277,6 +1279,11 @@ different values.  This penalty could cause a large number of attempts to guess
 a field value to result in the field not being compared to the dynamic table
 entries in future messages, effectively preventing further guesses.
 
+This response might be made inversely proportional to the length of the
+field value. Disabling access to the dynamic table for a given field name might
+occur for shorter values more quickly or with higher probability than for longer
+values.
+
</pre>
<p>This is just  moving the related paragraph up so the note appears at the end.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561381816">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1339,7 +1341,7 @@ An attacker can try to cause an endpoint to exhaust its memory. QPACK is
 designed to limit both the peak and stable amounts of memory allocated by an
 endpoint.
 
-The amount of memory used by the encoder is limited by the protocol using
+The amount of memory used by the decoder is limited by the protocol using
</pre>
<p>In some sense this is true as it is, but that's not a terribly interesting statement to make -- the encoder can limit its memory usage unilaterally, and could be sloppily implemented and exceed the protocol-conveyed limit.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561382220">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1717,7 +1719,7 @@ Stream: Decoder
                                3   0  custom-key  custom-value
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=217
</pre>
<p>The table hasn't changed from the previous state, properly shown as 217 bytes.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561382822">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214
</pre>
<p>I attempted to count the difference between <code>:authoritywww.example.com</code> and <code>custom-keycustom-value2</code>.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r561383779">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1787,8 +1789,8 @@ for line in field_lines:
 
 # encode the prefix
 if requiredInsertCount == 0:
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)
</pre>
<p>encodeIndexReference() is shown earlier with a different signature.  I know pythonic things do have optional parameters, but this seems to match the encodeInteger() signature perfectly, so I assume it was just an incomplete edit.  Though, stylistically perhaps the second argument should be <code>0x00</code> rather than a literal <code>0</code>.</p>

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It may also be worth clarifying that if the peer migrates and doesn't change CID, either it's already linkable or not, so there's not point in changing CID in response.

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<p>It may also be worth clarifying that if the peer migrates and doesn't change CID, either it's already linkable or not, so there's not point in changing CID in response.</p>

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So the second quotation has that clarification (with emphasis):

> an endpoint might receive packets from a new source address with *the same destination connection ID*, in which case it MAY continue to use the current connection ID

Isn't this all coherent?

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<p>So the second quotation has that clarification (with emphasis):</p>
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<p>an endpoint might receive packets from a new source address with <em>the same destination connection ID</em>, in which case it MAY continue to use the current connection ID</p>
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<p>Isn't this all coherent?</p>

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Yes, that clarifies the issue when the CID does not change.  But that does not clarify the case when the CID does change and the responder has no more CIDs.

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<p>Yes, that clarifies the issue when the CID does not change.  But that does not clarify the case when the CID does change and the responder has no more CIDs.</p>

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Isn't that addressed by this:

>  An endpoint that exhausts available connection IDs cannot probe new paths or initiate migration, nor can it respond to probes or attempts by its peer to migrate

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<p>Isn't that addressed by this:</p>
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<p>An endpoint that exhausts available connection IDs cannot probe new paths or initiate migration, nor can it respond to probes or attempts by its peer to migrate</p>
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So the answer is:
1) It can't send anything
2) It can send on the old path, but not the new one

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<p>So the answer is:</p>
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It can probe the old path - but that is all it can do.

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Why would it probe the old path that it's already validated?

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I didn't say that it was *useful*, just *possible* :)

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<p>I didn't say that it was <em>useful</em>, just <em>possible</em> :)</p>

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I don't see a pressing reason to do anything about this. That said, it's an unfortunate edge case, perhaps we could call it out explicitly, mentioning that this shouldn't arise if the other parts of the migration machinery are followed?

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<p>I don't see a pressing reason to do anything about this. That said, it's an unfortunate edge case, perhaps we could call it out explicitly, mentioning that this shouldn't arise if the other parts of the migration machinery are followed?</p>

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Spotted in https://github.com/httpwg/http2-spec/issues/802/. While we don't need to make any dependency on h2bis, I don't think it ould hurt to update the reference to 421 to point at http-core.

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> Section 2.1.1.1
>
> Figure 1 might benefit from an explicit indication of which direction is
> higher (or lower) absolute index.

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> Section 7.1.2
>
> The mitigation technique of segregating the dynamic table by entity
> constructing the message seems to inherently require the encoder to have
> direct knowledge of the entity on whose behalf it is constructing a
> message.  For the other mitigation technique we present (of always using
> string literals for sensitive values), we include the 'N' bit to allow
> this attribute to be propagated through intermediaries.  However, I
> think that in scenarios where multiple intermediaries are involved, in
> the later steps in the intermediary chain the encoder will not
> necessarily have knowledge of which entity created a given message, and
> thus could inadvertently merge compression contexts that the original
> encoder had specifically kept separate.  The preconditions necessary for
> this to enable an attack seem rare, with one of the originating entities
> having access to observe the transport layer in a location several hops
> removed, so it doesn't really seem worth attempting to add a technical
> mitigation.  It would probably be worth documenting the risk, though.

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<p>Section 7.1.2</p>
<p>The mitigation technique of segregating the dynamic table by entity<br>
constructing the message seems to inherently require the encoder to have<br>
direct knowledge of the entity on whose behalf it is constructing a<br>
message.  For the other mitigation technique we present (of always using<br>
string literals for sensitive values), we include the 'N' bit to allow<br>
this attribute to be propagated through intermediaries.  However, I<br>
think that in scenarios where multiple intermediaries are involved, in<br>
the later steps in the intermediary chain the encoder will not<br>
necessarily have knowledge of which entity created a given message, and<br>
thus could inadvertently merge compression contexts that the original<br>
encoder had specifically kept separate.  The preconditions necessary for<br>
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removed, so it doesn't really seem worth attempting to add a technical<br>
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To be clear, I'm not looking for a fix as much as clarity on what is supposed to occur.  I'll write a PR that I think will clarify it some and call out the edge case.

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> Section 8.1
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> (nit) In the prose we refer to the setting names with a "SETTINGS_" prefix.
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> count for the plaintext output, though, so I didn't put that in my
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> Appendix A
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> (nit) At least the plaintext output might benefit from a disclaimer
> about line wraps in the 'Value' column being display artifacts.

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> Appendix B
>
> I worked through the examples.  The presentation format is quite nice, and
> I appreciate all the detailed breakdowns!
>
> However, we show the dynamic table as being 1-indexed, but I'm pretty
> sure the prose says it should be 0-indexed.  We do it consistently, at
> least, and toss some extra '1's into the math to make the numbers work
> out, but since the static table is by definition 0-indexed, it's a bit
> weird to show the dynamic table as 1-indexed.
>
> Additionally, I think that B.5 is an exception to the "we do it
> consistently" -- while the 81... dynamic insert with relative index 1
> does refer to the indicated custom-key field, that would be absolute
> index 3 in the 1-indexed presentation we give (though it would be
> absolute index 2 if 0-indexed, if I'm getting this right).

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<p>I worked through the examples.  The presentation format is quite nice, and<br>
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> Appendix C
>
> It might be worth a brief mention of the API contracts for (e.g.) the
> encode*() functions.  The second argument of encodeInteger() as "the
> byte value used to fill in the bits of the first byte that are not
> consumed by the trailing N-prefix integer" is particularly hard to infer
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> In Section 2.1.3, I suggest "SHOULD avoid writing" ought to be "SHOULD NOT
> write". (For that matter, I don't know why this isn't a MUST NOT.)

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@mskucherawy said

> In Section 2.2.1:
>
> >   While blocked, encoded field section data SHOULD remain in the
> >   blocked stream's flow control window.
>
> Since SHOULD grants me a choice, why might I decide not to do what it says
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  Changed paths:
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Fixes #4788
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4799

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  * No CIDs, No Sending

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4788.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790375605" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4788" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4788/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4788">#4788</a></p>

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> I didn't read the draft in complete detail, but I'm not sure that I came away
> with a good understanding of what the receiver data structure would actually
> look like in an implementation.  The first paragraph in section 3.2 suggests
> that this would be a list of field lines in FIFO order, but I would assume that
> a more performant representation would likely be used.  I appreciate that this
> is really an implementation detail, but possibly the introduction in section
> 3.2 might benefit with text giving a bit more overview of what the data
> structure is expected to look like.

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> A couple of places in the document have pseudo code, which I presume is written
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> Section 7.4 talks about implementation limits, but it wasn't obvious to me how
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> I note that the algorithm uses a static table.  Is there any consideration to
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> years time, the traffic will have changed sufficiently enough that a new
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@rgwilton said

> 4.1.1.  Field Formatting and Compression
>
> >   As in previous versions of HTTP, field names are strings containing a
> >   subset of ASCII characters that are compared in a case-insensitive
> >   fashion.  Properties of HTTP field names and values are discussed in
> >   more detail in Section 5.1 of [SEMANTICS].  As in HTTP/2, characters
> >   in field names MUST be converted to lowercase prior to their
> >   encoding.  A request or response containing uppercase characters in
> >   field names MUST be treated as malformed (Section 4.1.3).
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> Why make the comparison case-insensitive given that the request MUST only use
> lowercase characters?  Presumably implementations will just do a regular case
> sensitive comparison?

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<p>As in previous versions of HTTP, field names are strings containing a<br>
subset of ASCII characters that are compared in a case-insensitive<br>
fashion.  Properties of HTTP field names and values are discussed in<br>
more detail in Section 5.1 of [SEMANTICS].  As in HTTP/2, characters<br>
in field names MUST be converted to lowercase prior to their<br>
encoding.  A request or response containing uppercase characters in<br>
field names MUST be treated as malformed (Section 4.1.3).</p>
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<p>Why make the comparison case-insensitive given that the request MUST only use<br>
lowercase characters?  Presumably implementations will just do a regular case<br>
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I'd argue this is really a MUST unless case, but people tend not to like those, so I tried to stick to the facts in my PR.

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> 4.1.1.2.  Field Compression
>
> Given that section 4.1.1.1.  states that "Pseudo-header fields are not HTTP
> fields.", it might be helpful to be explicit that pseudo-header fields are also
> compressed using QPACK.

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@rgwilton said

> 6.1.  Bidirectional Streams
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> > So as to not unnecessarily limit
> >    parallelism, at least 100 requests SHOULD be permitted at a time.
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> Given that this section is about streams, perhaps better if the limit is stated
> in terms of streams, e.g., perhaps change "requests" to "request streams".

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<p>6.1.  Bidirectional Streams</p>
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<p>So as to not unnecessarily limit<br>
parallelism, at least 100 requests SHOULD be permitted at a time.</p>
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<p>Given that this section is about streams, perhaps better if the limit is stated<br>
in terms of streams, e.g., perhaps change "requests" to "request streams".</p>
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One could imagine an implementation using a small buffer to read the beginning of the stream.  If the whole field section happens to fit into it, so be it.  A _MUST_ would probably mean that a conforming implementation had to unread the field section.

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@rgwilton said

> 10.6.  Use of Compression
>
> >   Implementations communicating on a secure channel MUST NOT compress
> >   content that includes both confidential and attacker-controlled data
> >   unless separate compression contexts are used for each source of
> >   data.  Compression MUST NOT be used if the source of data cannot be
> >   reliably determined.
>
> This wasn't entirely clear to me.  I presume (perhaps wrongly) that the issue
> is about the use of compression before the confidential data has been
> encrypted.  I.e., I would presume that compressing a stream of data that
> includes both encrypted and non encrypted data is okay?  Perhaps this could be
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<p>10.6.  Use of Compression</p>
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<p>Implementations communicating on a secure channel MUST NOT compress<br>
content that includes both confidential and attacker-controlled data<br>
unless separate compression contexts are used for each source of<br>
data.  Compression MUST NOT be used if the source of data cannot be<br>
reliably determined.</p>
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<p>This wasn't entirely clear to me.  I presume (perhaps wrongly) that the issue<br>
is about the use of compression before the confidential data has been<br>
encrypted.  I.e., I would presume that compressing a stream of data that<br>
includes both encrypted and non encrypted data is okay?  Perhaps this could be<br>
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The issue is about guess-and-check attacks, mentioned in the previous paragraph.  If there's a mixture of confidential and attacker-controlled data in the same context, the attacker can guess a value and then see if the resulting compressed data is shorter because their guess was compressed against the confidential value.  The requirement is that data from different sources be maintained in separate contexts so the attacker can't check its guesses against the confidential value.

Encryption is relevant here only because the attacker can't simply observe the data stream to get the confidential information.

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<p>The issue is about guess-and-check attacks, mentioned in the previous paragraph.  If there's a mixture of confidential and attacker-controlled data in the same context, the attacker can guess a value and then see if the resulting compressed data is shorter because their guess was compressed against the confidential value.  The requirement is that data from different sources be maintained in separate contexts so the attacker can't check its guesses against the confidential value.</p>
<p>Encryption is relevant here only because the attacker can't simply observe the data stream to get the confidential information.</p>

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Mostly looks fine.  For the suggestions and open conversations, you can either accept them and I'll merge, or I can take over the PR.  Up to you.

> -host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client

Can we just leave this text alone in the editorial PR, since there are already issue(s) tracking it?

> @@ -1408,7 +1414,7 @@ SETTINGS Frame {
 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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-An implementation MUST ignore the contents for any SETTINGS identifier it does
+An implementation MUST ignore the Value for any SETTINGS identifier it does

```suggestion
An implementation MUST ignore any parameter with an identifier it does
```
@LPardue's suggestion looks reasonable.

> +wire, data (HTTP frames)
+is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to

How about...
```suggestion
wire, the stream data containing HTTP frames
is carried by QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to
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I want to be careful to avoid the implication that HTTP frames need to be contained within a single STREAM frame.

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> @@ -909,7 +913,7 @@ peer will assume that the connection has been closed.  HTTP/3 implementations
 will need to open a new HTTP/3 connection for new requests if the existing
 connection has been idle for longer than the idle timeout negotiated during the
 QUIC handshake, and SHOULD do so if approaching the idle timeout; see Section
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+10.1.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

```suggestion
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10.1.1 deals with transport-level liveness testing before sending data, which isn't contemplated here.

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@kazuho, just a heads-up that this is aligning with http2-bis in referencing SEMANTICS, which says...

> Furthermore, intermediaries SHOULD remove or replace field(s) whose semantics are known to require removal before forwarding, whether or not they appear as a Connection option, **after applying those fields' semantics.**

I'm not totally thrilled with dropping that back to a SHOULD, but it has the caveat that requests will look malformed if you don't, so I think it covers it.

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<p>I'm not totally thrilled with dropping that back to a SHOULD, but it has the caveat that requests will look malformed if you don't, so I think it covers it.</p>

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> -host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client

Okay, will attempt to revert.

> @@ -909,7 +913,7 @@ peer will assume that the connection has been closed.  HTTP/3 implementations
 will need to open a new HTTP/3 connection for new requests if the existing
 connection has been idle for longer than the idle timeout negotiated during the
 QUIC handshake, and SHOULD do so if approaching the idle timeout; see Section
-10.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
+10.1.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

FWIW I proposed 10.1.1 specifically for "SHOULD [use a new connection] if approaching the idle timeout", which I did not see discussed elsewhere in the section.  But I will revert it back.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r562029501">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
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<p>Okay, will attempt to revert.</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r562030544">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -909,7 +913,7 @@ peer will assume that the connection has been closed.  HTTP/3 implementations
 will need to open a new HTTP/3 connection for new requests if the existing
 connection has been idle for longer than the idle timeout negotiated during the
 QUIC handshake, and SHOULD do so if approaching the idle timeout; see Section
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+10.1.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.
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<p>FWIW I proposed 10.1.1 specifically for "SHOULD [use a new connection] if approaching the idle timeout", which I did not see discussed elsewhere in the section.  But I will revert it back.</p>

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> +For a host that is an IP address, the client
 MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
 of the certificate.

@MikeBishop do we need to propagate this to the issue tracking the previous text so it gets considered there?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r562036239">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +For a host that is an IP address, the client
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We can probably just use "can" here.  From an interoperability standpoint, there is no value to recommending any particular value.

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Funny, RFC 7541 received the same comment.  The response then still applies I believe: if we need a new compression scheme, we'll need a new protocol.

The nature of the protocol is such that negotiation of a compression scheme could add significant (and undesirable) latency if it were done orthogonal to the protocol negotiation.

That sounds terrible in some ways, but what we've learned is that the needs change only gradually, and that timescale matches with the general evolution cadence of the protocols.

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<p>Funny, RFC 7541 received the same comment.  The response then still applies I believe: if we need a new compression scheme, we'll need a new protocol.</p>
<p>The nature of the protocol is such that negotiation of a compression scheme could add significant (and undesirable) latency if it were done orthogonal to the protocol negotiation.</p>
<p>That sounds terrible in some ways, but what we've learned is that the needs change only gradually, and that timescale matches with the general evolution cadence of the protocols.</p>

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I have to say, this is a little odd.  HTTP requires case insensitive comparison, but by calling it out here, the juxtaposition is weird.  As we force lowercase, we could just strike: "that are compared in a case-insensitive fashion"

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Its a fair observation. There's been some ideas floating around. But as Martin says, there's tradeoff. The scheme, via the dynamic table, is flexible enough to support evolving HTTP trends without standards coordination effort. The static table has been optimised for a client first flight request,  and I dare say that many of those characteristics won't vary so much for the primary HTTP use case of browsing. Evolving or alternate tables might help, but the latency cost to negotiate them makes the net result similar to dynamic compression. I'm happy that our extension or evolving mechanisms are sufficient for the current understood needs.

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While the changes to SEMANTICS are still in flight, that doesn&#39;t necessarily block resolving the issues in HTTP/3.  We can point to SEMANTICS normatively and defer to whatever resolution lands there, trusting it will be reasonable.  Paging @kaduk and @rdanyliw.

Fixes #4761.
Fixes #4763.
Fixes #4764.
Fixes #4775.

Key changes here:
- Rather than defining how the certificate is validated, defer to Section 4.3.4 of SEMANTICS (which will likely be something like https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/pull/685)
- Require clients to re-perform validation for each new origin
    - ...noting that this implies retaining the cert chain.
    - ...suggesting that clients encountering failures might choose to re-perform validation for origins already tied to the connection (e.g. cert is expired, revoked, etc.)
- Require clients to re-perform validation for new origins being pushed at them, just as they would before sending a request
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808

-- Commit Summary --

  * Refer to SEMANTICS for validation procedure
  * Expand reuse discussion
  * 421 in Semantics
  * Expand push equivalence to connection reuse

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (54)

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<p>While the changes to SEMANTICS are still in flight, that doesn't necessarily block resolving the issues in HTTP/3.  We can point to SEMANTICS normatively and defer to whatever resolution lands there, trusting it will be reasonable.  Paging <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kaduk/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kaduk">@kaduk</a> and <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/rdanyliw/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/rdanyliw">@rdanyliw</a>.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4761.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789384149" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4761">#4761</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4763.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789470336" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4763" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4763/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4763">#4763</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4764.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789470831" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4764" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4764/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4764">#4764</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4775.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790258380" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4775" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4775/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4775">#4775</a>.</p>
<p>Key changes here:</p>
<ul>
<li>Rather than defining how the certificate is validated, defer to Section 4.3.4 of SEMANTICS (which will likely be something like <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791708688" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/issues/685" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/httpwg/http-core/pull/685/hovercard" href="https://github.com/httpwg/http-core/pull/685">httpwg/http-core#685</a>)</li>
<li>Require clients to re-perform validation for each new origin
<ul>
<li>...noting that this implies retaining the cert chain.</li>
<li>...suggesting that clients encountering failures might choose to re-perform validation for origins already tied to the connection (e.g. cert is expired, revoked, etc.)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Require clients to re-perform validation for new origins being pushed at them, just as they would before sending a request</li>
</ul>

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-33#section-7.2.4.1 says:

>    Setting identifiers which were used in HTTP/2 where there is no
>    corresponding HTTP/3 setting have also been reserved
>    (Section 11.2.2).  These settings MUST NOT be sent, and their receipt
>    MUST be treated as a connection error of type H3_SETTINGS_ERROR.

The table of defined HTTP/3 settings is in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-33#section-11.2.2

```
  +========================+=======+=================+===========+
     | Setting Name           | Value | Specification   | Default   |
     +========================+=======+=================+===========+
     | Reserved               |  0x2  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | Reserved               |  0x3  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | Reserved               |  0x4  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | Reserved               |  0x5  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | MAX_FIELD_SECTION_SIZE |  0x6  | Section 7.2.4.1 | Unlimited |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
 ```

The [HTTP/2 settings IANA registry](https://www.iana.org/assignments/http2-parameters/http2-parameters.xhtml#settings) diverges a little bit from everything that is stated in RFC 7540. `0x0` is stated as reserved in IANA but no mention of it in RFC 7540. Therefore it is ambiguous if an HTTP/3 implementation should reject this Type value.

The range `0xf000-0xffff` is reserved for HTTP/2 experimental use. Its not clear if I should reject those too.

IANA also includes some extension settings: `0x8` (RFC 8441), 0x10 (MS-HTTP2E). I might expect `0x8` to be reused by some extension that defines Websocket over H3. `0x10` seems like something that is not reusable?

And finally, we have Extensible Priorities that defines SETTINGS_DEPRECATE_HTTP2_PRIORITIES and wants to claim `0x9`. I don't expect any need to also define that in HTTP/3 settings, unless the purpose is to prohibit it.

In summary, I don't think there is a huge problem. Maybe we can editorialize our way out of the ambiguity. However, I'd really like to avoid H/3 connections instantly failing due to implementations disagreeing about this rejection requirement.


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<p><a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-33#section-7.2.4.1" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-33#section-7.2.4.1</a> says:</p>
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<p>Setting identifiers which were used in HTTP/2 where there is no<br>
corresponding HTTP/3 setting have also been reserved<br>
(Section 11.2.2).  These settings MUST NOT be sent, and their receipt<br>
MUST be treated as a connection error of type H3_SETTINGS_ERROR.</p>
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<p>The table of defined HTTP/3 settings is in <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-33#section-11.2.2" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-33#section-11.2.2</a></p>
<pre><code>  +========================+=======+=================+===========+
     | Setting Name           | Value | Specification   | Default   |
     +========================+=======+=================+===========+
     | Reserved               |  0x2  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | Reserved               |  0x3  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | Reserved               |  0x4  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | Reserved               |  0x5  | N/A             | N/A       |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
     | MAX_FIELD_SECTION_SIZE |  0x6  | Section 7.2.4.1 | Unlimited |
     +------------------------+-------+-----------------+-----------+
</code></pre>
<p>The <a href="https://www.iana.org/assignments/http2-parameters/http2-parameters.xhtml#settings" rel="nofollow">HTTP/2 settings IANA registry</a> diverges a little bit from everything that is stated in RFC 7540. <code>0x0</code> is stated as reserved in IANA but no mention of it in RFC 7540. Therefore it is ambiguous if an HTTP/3 implementation should reject this Type value.</p>
<p>The range <code>0xf000-0xffff</code> is reserved for HTTP/2 experimental use. Its not clear if I should reject those too.</p>
<p>IANA also includes some extension settings: <code>0x8</code> (RFC 8441), 0x10 (MS-HTTP2E). I might expect <code>0x8</code> to be reused by some extension that defines Websocket over H3. <code>0x10</code> seems like something that is not reusable?</p>
<p>And finally, we have Extensible Priorities that defines SETTINGS_DEPRECATE_HTTP2_PRIORITIES and wants to claim <code>0x9</code>. I don't expect any need to also define that in HTTP/3 settings, unless the purpose is to prohibit it.</p>
<p>In summary, I don't think there is a huge problem. Maybe we can editorialize our way out of the ambiguity. However, I'd really like to avoid H/3 connections instantly failing due to implementations disagreeing about this rejection requirement.</p>

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> +first-out order.  Each QPACK decoder holds a dynamic table that is initially
 empty.  Entries are added by encoder instructions received on the encoder
-stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.
+stream; see {{encoder-instructions}}.  The encoder tracks the contents of the
+dynamic table maintained by the decoder.

I was trying to leave room for the nuance that the encoder can forget the contents of the table entries at any point, while the decoder is obliged to keep the whole thing around.  That's why it feels more accurate to say that the table "lives" at the decoder, and the encoder is tracking and manipulating it remotely.  But I can live with saying that they share it, which is also true.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4750#discussion_r562764066">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +first-out order.  Each QPACK decoder holds a dynamic table that is initially
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This isn't an HTTP/3 question, but a SEMANTICS question.  Transfer-Encoding is hop-by-hop, used to encode (generally, compress) a request or response body in transit.  Content-Encoding is an end-to-end encoding that intermediaries can pass without understanding.

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<p>This isn't an HTTP/3 question, but a SEMANTICS question.  Transfer-Encoding is hop-by-hop, used to encode (generally, compress) a request or response body in transit.  Content-Encoding is an end-to-end encoding that intermediaries can pass without understanding.</p>
<p>No action for HTTP/3 here.</p>

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(as an individual) clarifying that all frames defined in draft-ietf-quic-http3 are sent in QUIC STREAM frames is probably useful. This is couched in the requirement that these H3 frames explicitly depend on reliable and in-order delivery. It might be worth checking we make that clear in the spec.

However, the current requirements are not invariant, we don't want to prohibit H3 extensions from utilizing transport extensions like DATAGRAM, partial reliability, or some future STREAM-frame replacement that might emerge.

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<p>However, the current requirements are not invariant, we don't want to prohibit H3 extensions from utilizing transport extensions like DATAGRAM, partial reliability, or some future STREAM-frame replacement that might emerge.</p>

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I overlooked that @kaduk already made the point about `0x0` in #4782.

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<p>I overlooked that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kaduk/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kaduk">@kaduk</a> already made the point about <code>0x0</code> in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790264320" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4782" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4782/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4782">#4782</a>.</p>

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The draft currently says:

> A QUIC stream provides reliable in-order delivery of bytes, but makes no
guarantees about order of delivery with regard to bytes on other streams. On the
wire, data is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to
the HTTP framing layer. The transport layer buffers and orders received QUIC
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the application. Although QUIC permits out-of-order delivery within a stream,
HTTP/3 does not make use of this feature.

This seems sufficient to me.

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<p>The draft currently says:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>A QUIC stream provides reliable in-order delivery of bytes, but makes no<br>
guarantees about order of delivery with regard to bytes on other streams. On the<br>
wire, data is framed into QUIC STREAM frames, but this framing is invisible to<br>
the HTTP framing layer. The transport layer buffers and orders received QUIC<br>
STREAM frames, exposing the data contained within as a reliable byte stream to<br>
the application. Although QUIC permits out-of-order delivery within a stream,<br>
HTTP/3 does not make use of this feature.</p>
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<p>This seems sufficient to me.</p>

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The application data abstraction that QUIC offers right now is streams, which is what HTTP/3 uses; the text that @MikeBishop pointed to makes that clear. We could change how data is sent in QUIC from STREAM frames to something entirely different, and that should not matter to HTTP/3 as long as the abstraction is the same: reliable, in-order, byte-stream.

I'm not worried about this mapping becoming an effective invariant for HTTP/3, since (i) changing this contract (say, for datagram webtransport) requires negotiating that change at both HTTP and QUIC levels; and (ii) if we don't deploy extensions that use other mappings between HTTP data and QUIC frames, I don't think saying that we allow other mappings in the future does much.

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<p>The application data abstraction that QUIC offers right now is streams, which is what HTTP/3 uses; the text that <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> pointed to makes that clear. We could change how data is sent in QUIC from STREAM frames to something entirely different, and that should not matter to HTTP/3 as long as the abstraction is the same: reliable, in-order, byte-stream.</p>
<p>I'm not worried about this mapping becoming an effective invariant for HTTP/3, since (i) changing this contract (say, for datagram webtransport) requires negotiating that change at both HTTP and QUIC levels; and (ii) if we don't deploy extensions that use other mappings between HTTP data and QUIC frames, I don't think saying that we allow other mappings in the future does much.</p>

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The intent is to reserve things that are defined in 7540; things reserved by other extensions might later be defined for HTTP/3, so there shouldn't be any assumptions.  Let's make that requirement crisper to apply specifically to those values explicitly reserved.

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0x0 actually seems to be an oversight that someone plugged at some point -- I can't find anything in RFC 7540 that reserves the value.  The range begins at 0x0, but defined values begin at 0x1; IANA has marked 0x0 as reserved.  No harm in marking 0x0 as reserved here as well, I suppose.

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<p>0x0 actually seems to be an oversight that someone plugged at some point -- I can't find anything in RFC 7540 that reserves the value.  The range begins at 0x0, but defined values begin at 0x1; IANA has marked 0x0 as reserved.  No harm in marking 0x0 as reserved here as well, I suppose.</p>

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Arguably.  I've included it in the PR for your comments, but it feels borderline.

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Collection of editorial changes from @kaduk&#39;s review.

Fixes #4760.
Fixes #4776.
Fixes #4777.
Fixes #4780.
Fixes #4781.
Fixes #4782.
Fixes #4783 if no one objects.
Fixes #4785.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

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-- Commit Summary --

  * Expert Reviewers gonna do...
  * Insert reliance in intro
  * Control streams need flow control credit
  * Note flow control difference in HTTP/2 appendix
  * CONNECT precautions
  * 8470 applied to QUIC
  * Reserve 0x0
  * ALTSVC informative
  * Setting values in Appendix
  * Abort reading, not discard

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (97)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4760.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789359542" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4760" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4760/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4760">#4760</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4776.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790259899" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4776" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4776/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4776">#4776</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4777.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790260527" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4777" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4777/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4777">#4777</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4780.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790262116" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4780" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4780/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4780">#4780</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4781.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790262669" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4781" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4781/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4781">#4781</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4782.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790264320" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4782" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4782/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4782">#4782</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4783.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790264803" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4783" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4783/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4783">#4783</a> if no one objects.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4785.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790266300" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4785" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4785/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4785">#4785</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
<ul>
  <li>Expert Reviewers gonna do...</li>
  <li>Insert reliance in intro</li>
  <li>Control streams need flow control credit</li>
  <li>Note flow control difference in HTTP/2 appendix</li>
  <li>CONNECT precautions</li>
  <li>8470 applied to QUIC</li>
  <li>Reserve 0x0</li>
  <li>ALTSVC informative</li>
  <li>Setting values in Appendix</li>
  <li>Abort reading, not discard</li>
</ul>

<h4>File Changes</h4>
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<h4>Patch Links:</h4>
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4810.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4810.patch</a></li>
  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4810.diff'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4810.diff</a></li>
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> +For a host that is an IP address, the client
 MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
 of the certificate.

I think by delegating to SEMANTICS and Martin's incoming PR there in #4808, we don't need this text in HTTP/3.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4767#discussion_r562897131">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +For a host that is an IP address, the client
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<p>I think by delegating to SEMANTICS and Martin's incoming PR there in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="792135363" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4808" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808">#4808</a>, we don't need this text in HTTP/3.</p>

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Specifically those defined in RFC 7540.
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Fixes #4772.
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  * s/URL/URI/

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4772.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790127638" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4772" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4772/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4772">#4772</a>.</p>

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  <li>s/URL/URI/</li>
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The first is a statement of fact about what SEMANTICS requires.  However, I agree that we reduce confusion and lose nothing by making the statement less explicit.  Interested parties can read SEMANTICS.

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Honestly, this whole sentence is a bit awkward.  I'll improve that.

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  Merge pull request #4770 from kazuho/kazuho/section

No "field"


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Fixes #4804.
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  * Fewer versions, fewer restrictions
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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (15)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4804.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791154304" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4804" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4804/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4804">#4804</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4805.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791154925" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4805" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4805/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4805">#4805</a>.<br>
<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4806.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791155717" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4806" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4806/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4806">#4806</a>.</p>

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4766.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="789504640" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4766" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4766/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4766">#4766</a> to the extent I'm willing to do so.</p>

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<p>Resolved in <a class="commit-link" data-hovercard-type="commit" data-hovercard-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/49e0a4195d61a220a907a0a293a8dd551832c9fd/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/49e0a4195d61a220a907a0a293a8dd551832c9fd"><tt>49e0a41</tt></a></p>

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I agree it's not worth mitigating technically.  I question whether it's worth documenting, personally, but it does no harm.

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<p>I agree it's not worth mitigating technically.  I question whether it's worth documenting, personally, but it does no harm.</p>

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It's also worth noting that HTTP/3 as currently defined requires exactly QUIC version 1.  Permitting additional QUIC versions will require an update or a follow-on spec which can adapt to any changed abstractions at the same time.

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<p>It's also worth noting that HTTP/3 as currently defined requires exactly QUIC version 1.  Permitting additional QUIC versions will require an update or a follow-on spec which can adapt to any changed abstractions at the same time.</p>

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@afrind commented on this pull request.

Thank you for your detailed review and this PR.  I have one suggestion.

> +state memory it uses and signal a lower dynamic table size than the decoder
+allows to propagate that fact to the decoder (see {{eviction}}).

Suggestion:

 An encoder can limit the amount of state memory it uses by choosing a smaller dynamic table size than the decoder allows, and signaling this to the decoder (see {{set-dynamic-table-capacity}}).

> @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214

This looks right too, but it makes me want to re-run the examples through the code I wrote to verify (I made @martinthomson's changes by hand).

> @@ -1787,8 +1789,8 @@ for line in field_lines:
 
 # encode the prefix
 if requiredInsertCount == 0:
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)

This is a good catch, thanks.  The prefix is integers, not references.

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<p><b>@afrind</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Thank you for your detailed review and this PR.  I have one suggestion.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r562938658">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +state memory it uses and signal a lower dynamic table size than the decoder
+allows to propagate that fact to the decoder (see {{eviction}}).
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<p>Suggestion:</p>
<p>An encoder can limit the amount of state memory it uses by choosing a smaller dynamic table size than the decoder allows, and signaling this to the decoder (see {{set-dynamic-table-capacity}}).</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r562939635">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
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                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214
</pre>
<p>This looks right too, but it makes me want to re-run the examples through the code I wrote to verify (I made <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a>'s changes by hand).</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r562939967">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1787,8 +1789,8 @@ for line in field_lines:
 
 # encode the prefix
 if requiredInsertCount == 0:
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
-  encodeIndexReference(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 8)
+  encodeInteger(prefixBuffer, 0, 0, 7)
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<p>This is a good catch, thanks.  The prefix is integers, not references.</p>

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I wonder if we should ask IANA if they can tell how it came to be that 0x0 was marked as reserved with 7540 as the reference even though we are failing to see what part of 7540 should be effectuating that.

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<p>I wonder if we should ask IANA if they can tell how it came to be that 0x0 was marked as reserved with 7540 as the reference even though we are failing to see what part of 7540 should be effectuating that.</p>

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@kaduk approved this pull request.

Thanks; these look good to me.



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<p>Thanks; these look good to me.</p>

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532638be3d7067b572c1100fb6045c252d9de59e  apply suggestion from @afrind


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> +state memory it uses and signal a lower dynamic table size than the decoder
+allows to propagate that fact to the decoder (see {{eviction}}).

Thanks; I pushed that with a slight modification (the signalling is not part of the act of limiting the encoder's state memory, but rather a related but separate act).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r562998146">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +state memory it uses and signal a lower dynamic table size than the decoder
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Yep, none of these are specifically locators, so URI is correct.



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<p>Yep, none of these are specifically locators, so URI is correct.</p>

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> @@ -640,9 +638,10 @@ included in an HTTP/1.1 status line.
 
 #### Field Compression
 
-HTTP/3 uses QPACK field compression as described in [QPACK], a variation of
-HPACK that allows the flexibility to avoid compression-induced head-of-line
-blocking.  See that document for additional details.
+[QPACK] describes a variation of HPACK that allows the flexibility to avoid

Maybe:

> [QPACK] describes a variation of HPACK that gives an encoder some control over how much head-of-line blocking can be caused by compression.  This allows an encoder to balance compression efficiency with latency.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4813#discussion_r563002475">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -640,9 +638,10 @@ included in an HTTP/1.1 status line.
 
 #### Field Compression
 
-HTTP/3 uses QPACK field compression as described in [QPACK], a variation of
-HPACK that allows the flexibility to avoid compression-induced head-of-line
-blocking.  See that document for additional details.
+[QPACK] describes a variation of HPACK that allows the flexibility to avoid
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<p>[QPACK] describes a variation of HPACK that gives an encoder some control over how much head-of-line blocking can be caused by compression.  This allows an encoder to balance compression efficiency with latency.</p>
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One change here looks a little off.

> @@ -1908,13 +1920,13 @@ A client can discard responses that it cannot process.
 
 ### CONNECT Issues
 
-The CONNECT method can be used to create disproportionate load on a proxy,
-since stream creation is relatively inexpensive when compared to the creation
-and maintenance of a TCP connection.  A proxy might also maintain some resources
-for a TCP connection beyond the closing of the stream that carries the CONNECT
+The CONNECT method can be used to create disproportionate load on a proxy, since

```suggestion
The CONNECT method can be used to create disproportionate load on a proxy, as
```

> +Therefore, a proxy might delay increasing the QUIC stream limits to account for
+the resources consumed by CONNECT requests.

The original text existed to note that accounting for streams as requests is insufficient in the case that a CONNECT request is used.  Delay does no good.  What we might instead say is that any proxy that supports CONNECT might choose to limit the number of concurrent CONNECT streams it accepts (and account for the higher cost of those streams when considering overall resource allocation).

> @@ -2267,6 +2286,10 @@ of time.  HTTP/3 servers might choose to permit a larger number of concurrent
 client-initiated bidirectional streams to achieve equivalent concurrency to
 HTTP/2, depending on the expected usage patterns.
 
+In HTTP/2, only request and response bodies (DATA frames) are subject to flow

```suggestion
In HTTP/2, only request and response bodies (the frame payload of DATA frames) are subject to flow
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@martinthomson commented on this pull request.

Some suggestions.  I think that the certificate retention bit needs a tweak.

> -component of the URL.
-
-If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
-corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
-that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URL.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,

URI?

> +4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}.  This implies that clients will need to retain the
+server certificate chain; clients which do not do so will be unable to reuse the

I think that this needs to say that it retains the certificate and any information it might need for validation of that certificate (this implies a need for extra information that includes intermediate certificates, CT SCTs, stapled OCSP, and other details the client might depend on).

> -host is derived from a URI, a selected alternative service ({{!ALTSVC}}), or a
-configured proxy.  A client MAY open multiple HTTP/3 connections to the same IP
-address and UDP port using different transport or TLS configurations but SHOULD
-avoid creating multiple connections with the same configuration.
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  To use an existing
+connection for a new origin, clients MUST validate the certificate presented by
+the server for the new origin server using the process described in Section
+4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}.  This implies that clients will need to retain the
+server certificate chain; clients which do not do so will be unable to reuse the
+connection for additional origins.
+
+If the certificate is not acceptable with regard to the new origin for any
+reason, the connection MUST NOT be reused and a new connection SHOULD be
+established for the new origin.  If the reason the certificate cannot be
+verified might apply to other origins already associated with the connection,
+the client SHOULD re-validate the server certificate for those origins.

This might need a "for instance", which might be "For instance, if validation of the certificate fails because the certificate expired, then this might be used to invalidate all other origins for which that certificate was used to establish authority."

> +Clients SHOULD NOT open more than one HTTP/3 connection to a given host and port
+pair, where the host is derived from a URI, a selected alternative service
+({{!ALTSVC}}), or a configured proxy.  A client MAY open multiple HTTP/3
+connections to the same IP address and UDP port using different transport or TLS

I know that this is old, but the discontinuity here is jarring.  S1 uses "host and port", S2 uses "IP and port".  I think that the first can be made IP/port, noting that the IP and maybe port is obtained through name resolution, proxy configuration, or alternative services (which might include name resolution).

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>Some suggestions.  I think that the certificate retention bit needs a tweak.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r563498013">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -component of the URL.
-
-If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
-corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
-that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot; scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URL.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,
</pre>
<p>URI?</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r563499316">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}.  This implies that clients will need to retain the
+server certificate chain; clients which do not do so will be unable to reuse the
</pre>
<p>I think that this needs to say that it retains the certificate and any information it might need for validation of that certificate (this implies a need for extra information that includes intermediate certificates, CT SCTs, stapled OCSP, and other details the client might depend on).</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r563500078">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -host is derived from a URI, a selected alternative service ({{!ALTSVC}}), or a
-configured proxy.  A client MAY open multiple HTTP/3 connections to the same IP
-address and UDP port using different transport or TLS configurations but SHOULD
-avoid creating multiple connections with the same configuration.
+requests with multiple different URI authority components.  To use an existing
+connection for a new origin, clients MUST validate the certificate presented by
+the server for the new origin server using the process described in Section
+4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}.  This implies that clients will need to retain the
+server certificate chain; clients which do not do so will be unable to reuse the
+connection for additional origins.
+
+If the certificate is not acceptable with regard to the new origin for any
+reason, the connection MUST NOT be reused and a new connection SHOULD be
+established for the new origin.  If the reason the certificate cannot be
+verified might apply to other origins already associated with the connection,
+the client SHOULD re-validate the server certificate for those origins.
</pre>
<p>This might need a "for instance", which might be "For instance, if validation of the certificate fails because the certificate expired, then this might be used to invalidate all other origins for which that certificate was used to establish authority."</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r563500676">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Clients SHOULD NOT open more than one HTTP/3 connection to a given host and port
+pair, where the host is derived from a URI, a selected alternative service
+({{!ALTSVC}}), or a configured proxy.  A client MAY open multiple HTTP/3
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<p>I know that this is old, but the discontinuity here is jarring.  S1 uses "host and port", S2 uses "IP and port".  I think that the first can be made IP/port, noting that the IP and maybe port is obtained through name resolution, proxy configuration, or alternative services (which might include name resolution).</p>

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+component of the URL.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,

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  Added version allow-lists and deny-lists to Retry services

Fixes #82. Hopefully this will close the gap between what we want Retry Services to do and reality.


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> -component of the URL.
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-If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
-corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
-that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
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-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URL.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,

#4812, but no harm fixing it here, too.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r563901680">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -component of the URL.
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-If a server presents a valid certificate and proof that it controls the
-corresponding private key, then a client will accept a secured TLS session with
-that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot; scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
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-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URL.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,
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I guess my point is that the text describes what QUIC v1 without extensions provides, not what HTTP/3 on v1 requires. When there is only one option, there is only one natural solution.

The reason I suggested to point this out is to allow future HTTP/3 an ability to iterate on this requirement, which could be done in a document that describes a change to the requirement of the frame(s) defined in this spec. That might help to make people aware of when they need to negotiate the extension.

To put it another way. If QUIC v1 offered unreliable and reliable streams. We would likely say that all H3 frames must be delivered on the reliable stream and explain why.

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<p>I guess my point is that the text describes what QUIC v1 without extensions provides, not what HTTP/3 on v1 requires. When there is only one option, there is only one natural solution.</p>
<p>The reason I suggested to point this out is to allow future HTTP/3 an ability to iterate on this requirement, which could be done in a document that describes a change to the requirement of the frame(s) defined in this spec. That might help to make people aware of when they need to negotiate the extension.</p>
<p>To put it another way. If QUIC v1 offered unreliable and reliable streams. We would likely say that all H3 frames must be delivered on the reliable stream and explain why.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/more-server-use
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers
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  Author: Martin Duke <m.duke@f5.com>
  Date:   2021-01-25 (Mon, 25 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-load-balancers.md

  Log Message:
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  Clean up server-use bytes

Fixes #85



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Merged #4814 into master.

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Which HTTP/2 settings must be rejected?


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  Martin Duke's QPACK comments (#4750)

* Martin Duke's QPACK comments

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Maybe just a sentence that this mitigation has limits when traversing multiple intermediaries?

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<p>Maybe just a sentence that this mitigation has limits when traversing multiple intermediaries?</p>

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Propose to close with no action then?  Or is there a way to reformat the table to include the longer names?

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Even though newlines are not really allowed (unescaped) in field values, we can add a note to this effect.

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> Maybe just a sentence that this mitigation has limits when traversing multiple intermediaries?

That seems like it would strike a reasonable balance.

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Thank you for working through the examples in such detail -- I'm glad you like them and the format!

These are both excellent catches.

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<p>Thank you for working through the examples in such detail -- I'm glad you like them and the format!</p>
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I see a couple options in addition to "close with no change", namely to add a note below the table that the names are abbreviated, or to write out the IANA directives in prose without a table at all.  I don't have a particular preference among those three options, though.

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I think we can change to SHOULD NOT.  I'd rather not be so prescriptive here, since a QPACK implementation might well cut this corner and ignore flow control constraints and rely on higher levels of the stack to ensure the necessary flow control is available?  I guess I could be convinced otherwise.

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<p>I think we can change to SHOULD NOT.  I'd rather not be so prescriptive here, since a QPACK implementation might well cut this corner and ignore flow control constraints and rely on higher levels of the stack to ensure the necessary flow control is available?  I guess I could be convinced otherwise.</p>

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I'm inclined to leave this unspecified -- the simplistic FIFO model is enough to understand the algorithms, and implementers will figure out how to optimize it.  There are several highly performant, open source implementations to draw inspiration from.

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The recovery draft makes use of pseudocode but doesn't have a language hint like this - I'm not sure I think it's necessary.

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<p>The recovery draft makes use of pseudocode but doesn't have a language hint like this - I'm not sure I think it's necessary.</p>

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Section 3.2.2 mentions that it is an error to attempt to insert an entry larger than the table size: 

> It is an error if the encoder attempts to add an entry that is larger than the dynamic table capacity; the decoder MUST treat this as a connection error of type QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR.

I can't actually find a place where the document says that if you fail to decode an instruction or reference (for any reason, which would include exceeding implementation limits) that it's an error.  I think we might need one.

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<p>Section 3.2.2 mentions that it is an error to attempt to insert an entry larger than the table size:</p>
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<p>It is an error if the encoder attempts to add an entry that is larger than the dynamic table capacity; the decoder MUST treat this as a connection error of type QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR.</p>
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<p>I can't actually find a place where the document says that if you fail to decode an instruction or reference (for any reason, which would include exceeding implementation limits) that it's an error.  I think we might need one.</p>

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This table appears before the general discussion of indexing.  One thought is to add something along the top of the table, like this: 

```
             <-- Newer Entries          Older Entries -->
   +--------+---------------------------------+----------+
   | Unused |          Referenceable          | Draining |
   | Space  |             Entries             | Entries  |
   +--------+---------------------------------+----------+
            ^                                 ^          ^
            |                                 |          |
      Insertion Point                 Draining Index  Dropping
                                                       Point
```

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<p>This table appears before the general discussion of indexing.  One thought is to add something along the top of the table, like this:</p>
<pre><code>             &lt;-- Newer Entries          Older Entries --&gt;
   +--------+---------------------------------+----------+
   | Unused |          Referenceable          | Draining |
   | Space  |             Entries             | Entries  |
   +--------+---------------------------------+----------+
            ^                                 ^          ^
            |                                 |          |
      Insertion Point                 Draining Index  Dropping
                                                       Point
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@kaduk approved this pull request.

This is good; thank you.
The minor inline comment might also be addressed in [SEMANTICS] instead of here, I think.

> -that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URI.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,
+the client MUST verify that the certificate is an acceptable match for the URI's
+origin server using the process described in Section 4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}. If
+the certificate cannot be verified with respect to the URI's origin server, the
+client MUST NOT consider the server authoritative for that origin.

This seems to be the only place that we clearly state that failed verification implies not authoritative.  [SEMANTICS] does talk about attributing authority to a  server based on certificate validation, but in 4.3.3, not 4.3.4.
What we say for "normal" re-use seems to be okay without such a (re)statement, since we just say "don't reuse; open a new connection" which would get us back to the procedures here.  But for server-push we might want to reiterate that failed verification means not authoritative (and then we fall through to the subsequent paragraph for "SHOULD send CANCEL_PUSH" for non-authoritative pushes).

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<p><b>@kaduk</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This is good; thank you.<br>
The minor inline comment might also be addressed in [SEMANTICS] instead of here, I think.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r564207881">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot; scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URI.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,
+the client MUST verify that the certificate is an acceptable match for the URI&#39;s
+origin server using the process described in Section 4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}. If
+the certificate cannot be verified with respect to the URI&#39;s origin server, the
+client MUST NOT consider the server authoritative for that origin.
</pre>
<p>This seems to be the only place that we clearly state that failed verification implies not authoritative.  [SEMANTICS] does talk about attributing authority to a  server based on certificate validation, but in 4.3.3, not 4.3.4.<br>
What we say for "normal" re-use seems to be okay without such a (re)statement, since we just say "don't reuse; open a new connection" which would get us back to the procedures here.  But for server-push we might want to reiterate that failed verification means not authoritative (and then we fall through to the subsequent paragraph for "SHOULD send CANCEL_PUSH" for non-authoritative pushes).</p>

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> +Therefore, a proxy might delay increasing the QUIC stream limits to account for
+the resources consumed by CONNECT requests.

It looks like the original text did two things: note that CONNECT streams are more expensive than request streams (as you note here), but also that resources used for CONNECT streams might linger even after the HTTP stream is closed (the point I remarked upon where the properties of HTTP/3 and HTTP/2 diverge qualitatively).

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4810#discussion_r564258184">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Therefore, a proxy might delay increasing the QUIC stream limits to account for
+the resources consumed by CONNECT requests.
</pre>
<p>It looks like the original text did two things: note that CONNECT streams are more expensive than request streams (as you note here), but also that resources used for CONNECT streams might linger even after the HTTP stream is closed (the point I remarked upon where the properties of HTTP/3 and HTTP/2 diverge qualitatively).</p>

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Your proposal does improve the clarity of the figure, but I am hoping for more.
While it is true that the dedicated sections that discuss indexing appear later in the document, the introductory text alongside the figure uses language such as "smallest absolute index", increases the draining index", and "with an absolute index lower than the draining index" that imply a numerical ordering and directionality of the indices.  Interpreting the figure would be easier with the direction of that ordering stated explicitly, as might be done via "Newer Entries (larger index)"/etc..

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<p>Your proposal does improve the clarity of the figure, but I am hoping for more.<br>
While it is true that the dedicated sections that discuss indexing appear later in the document, the introductory text alongside the figure uses language such as "smallest absolute index", increases the draining index", and "with an absolute index lower than the draining index" that imply a numerical ordering and directionality of the indices.  Interpreting the figure would be easier with the direction of that ordering stated explicitly, as might be done via "Newer Entries (larger index)"/etc..</p>

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Jana convinced me that the risk of ossification is low (thanks for talking through it!).
Lucas may be on to something, though, in terms of how we describe what we use and what we need, but that could likely be done in the other issue that Mike noted might exist.
I would be okay if we closed this one with no change, but it's not clear that we have fully resolved yet on the latter topic.

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<p>Jana convinced me that the risk of ossification is low (thanks for talking through it!).<br>
Lucas may be on to something, though, in terms of how we describe what we use and what we need, but that could likely be done in the other issue that Mike noted might exist.<br>
I would be okay if we closed this one with no change, but it's not clear that we have fully resolved yet on the latter topic.</p>

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Agreed.
(I see now that I was assuming "connection-specific" as "applies to the entire connection" rather than "is restricted in scope to the single connection as opposed to end-to-end".)
I can't actually push the "close" button for you, though :smile: 

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials
  Commit: d8aa096bc601a34bb9bd59745e0c766b3d028d12
      https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/commit/d8aa096bc601a34bb9bd59745e0c766b3d028d12
  Author: martinduke <martin.h.duke@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-01-26 (Tue, 26 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M ietf110/agenda.md

  Log Message:
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  Added quic-lb (#189)



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We need to come to a decision on this. Since this is from an IESG COMMENT (and not a DISCUSS), the editors can IMO go ahead with their preferred resolution.

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<p>We need to come to a decision on this. Since this is from an IESG COMMENT (and not a DISCUSS), the editors can IMO go ahead with their preferred resolution.</p>

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Does anyone want to prepare a PR? Otherwise, this will get dropped I guess.

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<p>Does anyone want to prepare a PR? Otherwise, this will get dropped I guess.</p>

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We need to come to a decision on this. Since this is from an IESG COMMENT (and not a DISCUSS), the editors can IMO go ahead with their preferred resolution.



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<p>We need to come to a decision on this. Since this is from an IESG COMMENT (and not a DISCUSS), the editors can IMO go ahead with their preferred resolution.</p>

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We need to come to a decision on this. Since this is from an IESG COMMENT (and not a DISCUSS), the editors can IMO go ahead with their preferred resolution.



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<p>We need to come to a decision on this. Since this is from an IESG COMMENT (and not a DISCUSS), the editors can IMO go ahead with their preferred resolution.</p>

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<p>Could we please start the discussion on this one?</p>

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That is okay with me.

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Closed #4800.

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> +Therefore, a proxy might delay increasing the QUIC stream limits to account for
+the resources consumed by CONNECT requests.

Hm, that's a different reading that I'd initially taken.  I'll try to rework the text a bit more.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4810#discussion_r564600519">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +Therefore, a proxy might delay increasing the QUIC stream limits to account for
+the resources consumed by CONNECT requests.
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<p>Hm, that's a different reading that I'd initially taken.  I'll try to rework the text a bit more.</p>

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> @@ -1203,9 +1204,9 @@ the dynamic table state. If a guess is compressed into a shorter length, the
 attacker can observe the encoded length and infer that the guess was correct.
 
 This is possible even over the Transport Layer Security Protocol (TLS, see
-{{?TLS=RFC8446}}), because while TLS provides confidentiality protection for
-content, it only provides a limited amount of protection for the length of that
-content.
+{{?TLS=RFC8446}}) and QUIC Transport Protocol (see {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), because

```suggestion
{{?TLS=RFC8446}}) and the QUIC Transport Protocol (see {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}), because
```
Will probably also need a re-wrap.

>  
-Having requests or responses from mutually distrustful entities occurs when an
-intermediary either:
+For example, requests or responses from mutually distrustful entities occurs

```suggestion
For example, requests or responses from mutually distrustful entities can occur
```

> +The amount of memory used by the decoder is limited by the protocol using
 QPACK through the definition of the maximum size of the dynamic table, and the
 maximum number of blocking streams. In HTTP/3, these values are controlled by

I think this is really dependent on the sense of "used by."  The protocol limits the amount of memory the encoder can cause to be consumed at the decoder.  Maybe something like....

```suggestion
QPACK uses the definition of the maximum size of the dynamic table and the
maximum number of blocking streams to limit the amount of memory the
encoder can cause the decode to consume. In HTTP/3, these values are
controlled by
```

> @@ -1355,14 +1357,14 @@ A decoder can limit the amount of state memory used for the dynamic table by
 setting an appropriate value for the maximum size of the dynamic table. In
 HTTP/3, this is realized by setting an appropriate value for the
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+state memory it uses by choosing a smaller dynamic table size than the decoder
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```suggestion
allows and signaling this to the decoder (see {{set-dynamic-table-capacity}}).
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I agree that this would make the code more readable and usable and I'm drafting a PR.

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<p>I agree that this would make the code more readable and usable and I'm drafting a PR.</p>

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Does SHOULD -> can mean this is a design change?

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<p>Does SHOULD -&gt; can mean this is a design change?</p>

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Actually, section 6 says:

> QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x200):
    The decoder failed to interpret an encoded field section and is not able to continue decoding that field section. 
QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x201):
    The decoder failed to interpret an encoder instruction received on the encoder stream. 
QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x202):
    The encoder failed to interpret a decoder instruction received on the decoder stream.
    
So "failing to interpret" anything results in an error.  I think this includes being unable to decode an integer or string because of implementation limits.

Is this sufficient or should we add something a bit more explicit?

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<p>Actually, section 6 says:</p>
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<p>QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED (0x200):<br>
The decoder failed to interpret an encoded field section and is not able to continue decoding that field section.<br>
QPACK_ENCODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x201):<br>
The decoder failed to interpret an encoder instruction received on the encoder stream.<br>
QPACK_DECODER_STREAM_ERROR (0x202):<br>
The encoder failed to interpret a decoder instruction received on the decoder stream.</p>
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<p>So "failing to interpret" anything results in an error.  I think this includes being unable to decode an integer or string because of implementation limits.</p>
<p>Is this sufficient or should we add something a bit more explicit?</p>

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Yes, so if you're advocating doing that then I'll mark this as design.

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<p>Yes, so if you're advocating doing that then I'll mark this as design.</p>

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If section 3.2.2 already imposes a limit on the length of an entry, then it would be good to referenced that text from section 7.4.

E.g. section 7.4 states:  `In
   the same way, it has to set a limit to the length it accepts for
   string literals; see Section 4.1.2.`

But I suspect that really the only limit that is needed here is the one in 3.2.2?  I.e. it seems reasonable that a receiver should accept any string up to the maximum table size?

But my other point is that it suggests that a receiver can arbitrarily choose to set a limit on the size of integers that it receives, but section 4.1.1 states: `   QPACK implementations MUST be able to decode integers up to and
   including 62 bits long.`

So, I guess that I'm really suggesting that this paragraph (in section 7.4):

`   An implementation has to set a limit for the values it accepts for
   integers, as well as for the encoded length; see Section 4.1.1.  In
   the same way, it has to set a limit to the length it accepts for
   string literals; see Section 4.1.2.`

is reworded to say something along the lines of:
- Receivers MUST accept integers up to 62 bits long section 4.1.1, but MAY choose to not handle larger integers, in which case they return QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.
- Receivers MUST accept any strings up to maximum table length -32, or return QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.

It wasn't clear to me whether integers bigger than 62 bits are ever likely in practice, I presume not ...


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<p>If section 3.2.2 already imposes a limit on the length of an entry, then it would be good to referenced that text from section 7.4.</p>
<p>E.g. section 7.4 states:  <code>In the same way, it has to set a limit to the length it accepts for string literals; see Section 4.1.2.</code></p>
<p>But I suspect that really the only limit that is needed here is the one in 3.2.2?  I.e. it seems reasonable that a receiver should accept any string up to the maximum table size?</p>
<p>But my other point is that it suggests that a receiver can arbitrarily choose to set a limit on the size of integers that it receives, but section 4.1.1 states: <code>   QPACK implementations MUST be able to decode integers up to and including 62 bits long.</code></p>
<p>So, I guess that I'm really suggesting that this paragraph (in section 7.4):</p>
<p><code>   An implementation has to set a limit for the values it accepts for integers, as well as for the encoded length; see Section 4.1.1.  In the same way, it has to set a limit to the length it accepts for string literals; see Section 4.1.2.</code></p>
<p>is reworded to say something along the lines of:</p>
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<li>Receivers MUST accept integers up to 62 bits long section 4.1.1, but MAY choose to not handle larger integers, in which case they return QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.</li>
<li>Receivers MUST accept any strings up to maximum table length -32, or return QPACK_DECOMPRESSION_FAILED.</li>
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<p>It wasn't clear to me whether integers bigger than 62 bits are ever likely in practice, I presume not ...</p>

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> -that server as being authoritative for all origins with the "https" scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URI.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,
+the client MUST verify that the certificate is an acceptable match for the URI's
+origin server using the process described in Section 4.3.4 of {{!SEMANTICS}}. If
+the certificate cannot be verified with respect to the URI's origin server, the
+client MUST NOT consider the server authoritative for that origin.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4808#discussion_r564779089">draft-ietf-quic-http.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; -that server as being authoritative for all origins with the &quot;https&quot; scheme and a
-host identified in the certificate.  The host must be listed either as the CN
-field of the certificate subject or as a dNSName in the subjectAltName field of
-the certificate; see {{!RFC6125}}.  For a host that is an IP address, the client
-MUST verify that the address appears as an iPAddress in the subjectAltName field
-of the certificate.
-
-If the hostname or address is not present in the certificate, the client MUST
-NOT consider the server authoritative for origins containing that hostname or
-address.  See Section 4.3 of {{!SEMANTICS}} for more detail on authoritative
-access.
+component of the URI.  Upon receiving a server certificate in the TLS handshake,
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The _SHOULD_ is there to guard against memory exhaustion attacks.  Streams "parking" is a QPACK design feature.  The _SHOULD_ should stay.

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<p>The <em>SHOULD</em> is there to guard against memory exhaustion attacks.  Streams "parking" is a QPACK design feature.  The <em>SHOULD</em> should stay.</p>

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A decoder that actually counts insertions (instead of using modulo arithmetic) will likely fail when the integer value it uses overflows.

Of course, one does not have to use `uint32_t` or `uint64_t` for the count.  To avoid an overflow, there are math libraries that support arbitrarily large numbers.

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<p>A decoder that actually counts insertions (instead of using modulo arithmetic) will likely fail when the integer value it uses overflows.</p>
<p>Of course, one does not have to use <code>uint32_t</code> or <code>uint64_t</code> for the count.  To avoid an overflow, there are math libraries that support arbitrarily large numbers.</p>

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@larseggert from the discussion on the issue, it appears I am in the rough here. But since this is not an editorial issue, and since we will not be able to fix this cleanly later because it's in the invariants, I think it would make sense to have a consensus call on list where the proposed outcome is close with no action. But it's definitely the chairs' responsibility to decide how they wish to assess consensus here :)

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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack-iesg-comments
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  QPACK editorial updates from IESG comments

Fixes #4791
Fixes #4792
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Fixes #4791
Fixes #4792
Fixes #4793
Fixes #4794
Fixes #4797
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  * QPACK editorial updates from IESG comments

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    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (14)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4791.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791138752" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4791" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4791/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4791">#4791</a><br>
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<span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4797.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791147090" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4797" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4797/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4797">#4797</a></p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  Branch: refs/heads/qpack-pseudo-iesg
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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f2019eecf7bd4aebc33beebbe09a9d59458c65a9
  Author: Alan Frindell <afrind@fb.com>
  Date:   2021-01-26 (Tue, 26 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  QPACK pseudocode updates from IESG feedback

* Use encodeInteger for prefix
* Rename a couple helper functions to be more descriptive
* Added a section describing the encoding helper functions used

Fixes #4796



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* Use encodeInteger for prefix
* Rename a couple helper functions to be more descriptive
* Added a section describing the encoding helper functions used

Fixes #4796
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-- Commit Summary --

  * QPACK pseudocode updates from IESG feedback

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (31)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4796.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791141768" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4796" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4796/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4796">#4796</a></p>

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  Note flow control difference in HTTP/2 appendix


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d409146c4a064a3405a8f197c7aa3e064e592551
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  CONNECT precautions


  Commit: 18e41b5ddf05df7409697fb1edfbebec83d1ffc4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18e41b5ddf05df7409697fb1edfbebec83d1ffc4
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  8470 applied to QUIC


  Commit: 774c56ef9ebdd396b75f7f61604363154b4532bb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/774c56ef9ebdd396b75f7f61604363154b4532bb
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Reserve 0x0


  Commit: 937c542552b6233a2c054232fda4a5fc656e0f1e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/937c542552b6233a2c054232fda4a5fc656e0f1e
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  ALTSVC informative


  Commit: 9de2d52ebef4c73ba55c82e3fa012b5f9297a16f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9de2d52ebef4c73ba55c82e3fa012b5f9297a16f
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Setting values in Appendix


  Commit: cc0bec66bed34e7097a92e6d52457bf571870f80
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/cc0bec66bed34e7097a92e6d52457bf571870f80
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Abort reading, not discard


  Commit: f439aaec3bf195e7940a6ffbade378c7efd714b3
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/f439aaec3bf195e7940a6ffbade378c7efd714b3
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-22 (Fri, 22 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into http/bk_nits


  Commit: d2cc6824b14d227bd52caa18fc6299637f05ff1c
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/d2cc6824b14d227bd52caa18fc6299637f05ff1c
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-26 (Tue, 26 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Apply suggestions from code review

Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


  Commit: 3c60c7ef174f7a903c06d15c3654c8130a0b8485
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/3c60c7ef174f7a903c06d15c3654c8130a0b8485
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-26 (Tue, 26 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  More conservative about resources


  Commit: c04b41398c88f676190b6ecb63285dbb694336b6
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/c04b41398c88f676190b6ecb63285dbb694336b6
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-26 (Tue, 26 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Split CONNECT paragraph


  Commit: 9a01dac9951d0696672540538e1cf6e2ba791cfb
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9a01dac9951d0696672540538e1cf6e2ba791cfb
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-01-26 (Tue, 26 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4810 from quicwg/http/bk_nits

Ben Kaduk's nits on HTTP/3


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/8379e32c3ce3...9a01dac9951d


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Closed #4752.

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Agreed, MASQUE is tangential and we definately don't want to get caught up with it's standardisation work. Closing with no change.

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<p>Agreed, MASQUE is tangential and we definately don't want to get caught up with it's standardisation work. Closing with no change.</p>

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The text is really attempting to say that an implementation MUST NOT continue to process to infinity; bounds must exist for basic sanity.  What those bounds will be is implementation-dependent.  Saying that they're limited to the table size is only true on the encoder stream; request streams can have string literals greater than the table size (consider the degenerate case of zero).

HTTP limits could be pushed down to QPACK such that the library will refuse to decode a larger string than the implementation would accept; I don't think that's necessarily required though.

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<p>The text is really attempting to say that an implementation MUST NOT continue to process to infinity; bounds must exist for basic sanity.  What those bounds will be is implementation-dependent.  Saying that they're limited to the table size is only true on the encoder stream; request streams can have string literals greater than the table size (consider the degenerate case of zero).</p>
<p>HTTP limits could be pushed down to QPACK such that the library will refuse to decode a larger string than the implementation would accept; I don't think that's necessarily required though.</p>

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The plan is to leave the SHOULD, but add more editorial text in 2.2.1 explaining why it's a good idea.

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  Changed paths:
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  QPACK editorial updates from IESG comments

Fixes #4791
Fixes #4792
Fixes #4793
Fixes #4794
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  Asterisk/origin form are now in Semantics


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  Transfer codings are an HTTP/1.1 thing


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  Call out transfer codings in 4.1.1


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  Refer to SEMANTICS for hop-by-hop stripping rules


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  Merge pull request #4747 from quicwg/http/h1-refs

Resolve normative references to HTTP/1.1 spec


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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4798.">Fixes</span>: <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="791147593" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4798" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4798/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4798">#4798</a></p>

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  Asterisk/origin form are now in Semantics


  Commit: 7f7f864fe763c4d7bff346539435111555d93d4c
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  Merge pull request #4810 from quicwg/http/bk_nits

Ben Kaduk's nits on HTTP/3


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Fixes #4791
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  Commit: 905e2107794ca2a1ca425afdda95897a492f7ffe
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  Merge pull request #4747 from quicwg/http/h1-refs

Resolve normative references to HTTP/1.1 spec


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  Refer to SEMANTICS for validation procedure


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  Merge pull request #4808 from quicwg/http/authority_again

Rework HTTP authority/coalescing again


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We're late in the document lifecycle and I'm not seeing support for taking on a design change. The constituency interested in the QUIC drafts has been widened via IETF last call and IESG review, changes to how things interoperate risks invalidating their review and setting us back.

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@LPardue that's fine by me. As we say in this WG, "No, I will absolutely not die on this hill!"

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IIRC the [precise phrase](https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-20-02/minutes.md) is

> Dmitri: I refuse to die. [applause] 

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<p>IIRC the <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/wg-materials/blob/master/interim-20-02/minutes.md">precise phrase</a> is</p>
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I didn't want to clutter our list of stuff with post-IESG PRs.  I'll copy the above text once HTTP is done (real soon now).

We're going to have to be careful that these little tweaks don't pile up.

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The nonce is safe because it has been analyzed.  Anyone hoping to copy what QUIC does had best understand why QUIC does what it does before doing so.  If we learn that people don't exercise judgment and discretion in this, we can try to fix it next time.  We can't possibility preemptively foreclose on every conceivable bad decision in this spec.  It's already far too large.

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> +To bound the memory requirements of the decoder for blocked streams, encoded
+field section data SHOULD remain in the stream's flow control window while the
+stream is blocked.  A stream becomes unblocked when the Insert Count becomes

This seems to lack the "why" still.  Instructions that are read from the stream will be unusable while blocked but they need to be retained in memory AND the protocol does not provide any way to limit allocations for that memory.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4818#discussion_r565034764">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +To bound the memory requirements of the decoder for blocked streams, encoded
+field section data SHOULD remain in the stream&#39;s flow control window while the
+stream is blocked.  A stream becomes unblocked when the Insert Count becomes
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<p>This seems to lack the "why" still.  Instructions that are read from the stream will be unusable while blocked but they need to be retained in memory AND the protocol does not provide any way to limit allocations for that memory.</p>

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That is fine with me.

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Closed #4801.

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I don't think that using arbitrarily sized integer libraries is the answer here due to the performance overheads of such libraries.

My concerns are two fold:

(1) It is unclear what arbitrary limit receivers should apply.  E.g., is 255 bytes enough for a string?  Is a 64 bit signed integer enough for an integer?

(2) Senders probably won't really know that the reason the stream has failed is because they are hitting some arbitrary limit in the receiver, and even if they did then I'm not sure there is anything that they can do about it.

Hence, another suggestion is to specifying minimum expected bounds for these values?  Or if these bounds are effectively provided by the HTTP spec, perhaps the appropriate section in that spec. could be referenced.



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<p>I don't think that using arbitrarily sized integer libraries is the answer here due to the performance overheads of such libraries.</p>
<p>My concerns are two fold:</p>
<p>(1) It is unclear what arbitrary limit receivers should apply.  E.g., is 255 bytes enough for a string?  Is a 64 bit signed integer enough for an integer?</p>
<p>(2) Senders probably won't really know that the reason the stream has failed is because they are hitting some arbitrary limit in the receiver, and even if they did then I'm not sure there is anything that they can do about it.</p>
<p>Hence, another suggestion is to specifying minimum expected bounds for these values?  Or if these bounds are effectively provided by the HTTP spec, perhaps the appropriate section in that spec. could be referenced.</p>

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Could folks please come to a decision on whether this is "close with no action"?

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<p>Could folks please come to a decision on whether this is "close with no action"?</p>

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Fixes #4779.

I&#39;m okay with the current text, but this talks more squarely about &quot;version 1&quot; and the abstraction, with the framing just being an aside.  And technically, QUIC doesn&#39;t order the STREAM frames, it assembles the stream data in order, so this is more precise.
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  * Talk about streams, not STREAMs

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    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (13)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4779.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="790261536" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4779" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4779/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4779">#4779</a>.</p>
<p>I'm okay with the current text, but this talks more squarely about "version 1" and the abstraction, with the framing just being an aside.  And technically, QUIC doesn't order the STREAM frames, it assembles the stream data in order, so this is more precise.</p>

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I agree with Martin's comment; if we're going to explain, we should cover why the reverse is bad.



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<p>I agree with Martin's comment; if we're going to explain, we should cover why the reverse is bad.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  QPACK: explain blocked stream flow control

Fixes: #4798


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  Explain why not


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> @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214

Wait, let's go to the video tape!  I think 215 is correct.

I re-ran my decoder against the input, and it gets 215.

~~~
DecoderTable:

[1] (s=55) custom-key: custom-value2
[2] (s=57) :authority: www.example.com
[3] (s=54) custom-key: custom-value
[4] (s=49) :path: /sample/path
total size: 215
~~~
[Note: the decoder table prints with HPACK relative indices, hence they are 1 based and in reverse order]

Also verified in the shell:

~~~
# echo -n :authoritywww.example.com | wc -c
25
# echo -n custom-keycustom-value2 | wc -c
23
~~~

And third, I examined the table which has the two values in consecutive rows, and it appears only the "om" hangs over the 'custom-value2'.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r565530977">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214
</pre>
<p>Wait, let's go to the video tape!  I think 215 is correct.</p>
<p>I re-ran my decoder against the input, and it gets 215.</p>
<pre><code>DecoderTable:

[1] (s=55) custom-key: custom-value2
[2] (s=57) :authority: www.example.com
[3] (s=54) custom-key: custom-value
[4] (s=49) :path: /sample/path
total size: 215
</code></pre>
<p>[Note: the decoder table prints with HPACK relative indices, hence they are 1 based and in reverse order]</p>
<p>Also verified in the shell:</p>
<pre><code># echo -n :authoritywww.example.com | wc -c
25
# echo -n custom-keycustom-value2 | wc -c
23
</code></pre>
<p>And third, I examined the table which has the two values in consecutive rows, and it appears only the "om" hangs over the 'custom-value2'.</p>

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> @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214

Well crap, I can only assume that I typo'd something when checking in the shell.  Sorry about that, and thanks for double-checking.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4789#discussion_r565533963">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1738,7 +1740,7 @@ Stream: Encoder
                               ^-- acknowledged --^
                                4   0  :authority  www.example.com
                                5   0  custom-key  custom-value2
-                              Size=215
+                              Size=214
</pre>
<p>Well crap, I can only assume that I typo'd something when checking in the shell.  Sorry about that, and thanks for double-checking.</p>

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to make RFC Editor diffs smaller
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820

-- Commit Summary --

  * Tidy up reference style

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (212)
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (29)
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (115)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (109)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (173)

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<p>to make RFC Editor diffs smaller</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Tidy up reference style</li>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820/files#diff-4acd82381fb9e24a5b7699d69e05b8bf9fac8629e4dda1aafcf393751cd3700e">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820/files#diff-8db507a75415c056be0ab17481d3ebcef3b14eb7b155088f5e3fac48fd87c5cb">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820/files#diff-42873df666a8ef4f18a716aaeefb1815db2d7a1935cc8d47532191f2648439cf">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
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Can you share the tool that you used to make these changes?  This PR is impossible to review, but I would be happier reviewing the tool.  A careful description of any manual steps might suffice.



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<p>Can you share the tool that you used to make these changes?  This PR is impossible to review, but I would be happier reviewing the tool.  A careful description of any manual steps might suffice.</p>

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> @@ -388,8 +391,8 @@ Therefore, when adjusting an RTT sample using peer-reported acknowledgment
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-  acknowledgments are not delayed by the peer (Section 13.2.1 of
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+  acknowledgments are not delayed by the peer ( {{Section 13.2.1 of

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Hmm, this is clearly a change that was applied manually.

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These are manual; if only there were a tool...

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  Branch: refs/heads/mnot-tidy-refs
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2021-01-28 (Thu, 28 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Tidy up reference style

to make RFC Editor diffs smaller


  Commit: fa4979a7bb42db9fc7cede9fbff87d507dd09815
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  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2021-01-28 (Thu, 28 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md

  Log Message:
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  fix spacing nits


  Commit: 7963266425d12b1130369964b73d2d6ead1f2d31
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  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2021-01-28 (Thu, 28 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


  Commit: 93513e6162a66b8e92c983b8ec47adb561b81fa1
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/93513e6162a66b8e92c983b8ec47adb561b81fa1
  Author: Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net>
  Date:   2021-01-28 (Thu, 28 Jan 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Fix transport


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I just uploaded this to a branch on this repository so that a diff is generated in CI (assuming that I have a little more luck in getting a build to stick).  The changes should be visible at https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/mnot-tidy-refs/ if CI ever passes.  Which of course it has not at this point...

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<p>I just uploaded this to a branch on this repository so that a diff is generated in CI (assuming that I have a little more luck in getting a build to stick).  The changes should be visible at <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/mnot-tidy-refs/" rel="nofollow">https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/mnot-tidy-refs/</a> if CI ever passes.  Which of course it has not at this point...</p>

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Editors, could we come to a conclusion here?

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I think this should be good to go now?

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  Branch: refs/heads/recharter
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  Add first strawman for recharter, for discussion


  Commit: 4a875fae1be00a3fe565115789c07a1b942ea74c
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  Soften this a little (#181)


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  Wordsmithing (#182)


  Commit: 5ffe1c1302c08c3cf02b01cd69af0f45c542c6ec
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  The name of the WG is "HTTP" (#183)

httpbis is just the data tracker tag


  Commit: b59aa48cee8b4be517ed322edb454f10f5c09bf2
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  Rewrap and very minor tweaks (hence no PR)


  Commit: 75cb204d081fde302405a2d9d730c3311d6ce97a
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  Rephrase charter to include completion work of the ops-drafts.

And minor other tweaks.


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  Add qlog and remove AD approval bit.


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  Editorial improvements (#185)


  Commit: e9f7da7d31952dd70d8b4bb9bc0e932cc01b4c86
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* Update charter.md

Clarified the scope of qlog, more explicit about that new versions maybe need to be published.

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* Update charter/charter.md

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  Commit: a7c47357d6e87d61396e02baddffc40b1dd9a42e
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  Fix nits and re-wrap.


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There is already a requirement that implementations be able to decode 62 bit integers.  Anything larger is really necessary -- we intentionally encode the "Required Insert Count" on the wire in a way that bounds its size to be much smaller practically.  The requirement stems from the need to decode QUIC stream IDs.  I think @dtikhonov's comment about bignums is about what an implementation might do if it overflowed its internal representation decoding the Required Insert Count.  This is not a practical concern, and can be completely worked around with a "clever" implementation that is worried about more than 2^64 table insertions.

HTTP also provides a setting to inform the peer of a maximum size of a field section (MAX_FIELD_SECTION_SIZE -- see HTTP/3 section 4.1.1.3), which is also a practical upper bound for any single QPACK string for HTTP/3.  Perhaps the QPACK doc could provide this hint?  I'll draft a PR to this effect.

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<p>There is already a requirement that implementations be able to decode 62 bit integers.  Anything larger is really necessary -- we intentionally encode the "Required Insert Count" on the wire in a way that bounds its size to be much smaller practically.  The requirement stems from the need to decode QUIC stream IDs.  I think <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/dtikhonov/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/dtikhonov">@dtikhonov</a>'s comment about bignums is about what an implementation might do if it overflowed its internal representation decoding the Required Insert Count.  This is not a practical concern, and can be completely worked around with a "clever" implementation that is worried about more than 2^64 table insertions.</p>
<p>HTTP also provides a setting to inform the peer of a maximum size of a field section (MAX_FIELD_SECTION_SIZE -- see HTTP/3 section 4.1.1.3), which is also a practical upper bound for any single QPACK string for HTTP/3.  Perhaps the QPACK doc could provide this hint?  I'll draft a PR to this effect.</p>

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@MikeBishop approved this pull request.

Thanks for doing this, Mark.  I hadn't seen that @cabo had added this functionality to the tools, and I like that it puts the right references in the resulting HTML and XML.  I've reviewed the text diffs, and basically all the changes in output fix minor editorial things that are improvements anyway.

> @@ -4359,7 +4363,7 @@ Endpoints could limit the content of PMTU probes to PING and PADDING frames,
 since packets that are larger than the current maximum datagram size are more
 likely to be dropped by the network.  Loss of a QUIC packet that is carried in a
 PMTU probe is therefore not a reliable indication of congestion and SHOULD NOT
-trigger a congestion control reaction; see Section 3, Bullet 7 of {{!DPLPMTUD}}.
+trigger a congestion control reaction; see {{Section 3 of DPLPMTUD}}, Bullet 7.

```suggestion
trigger a congestion control reaction; see Bullet 7 in {{Section 3 of DPLPMTUD}}.
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This feels more natural in the output, but either is probably fine.

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>  
 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
 single bit flag, denoted as 'H' in this document (indicating whether the string
 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length

Shouldn't this be: {{Appendix B of RFC7541}}

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566242663">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
 single bit flag, denoted as &#39;H&#39; in this document (indicating whether the string
 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length
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<p>Shouldn't this be: {{Appendix B of RFC7541}}</p>

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> @@ -707,7 +709,7 @@ Session resumption allows servers to link activity on the original connection
 with the resumed connection, which might be a privacy issue for clients.
 Clients can choose not to enable resumption to avoid creating this correlation.
 Clients SHOULD NOT reuse tickets as that allows entities other than the server
-to correlate connections; see Section C.4 of {{!TLS13}}.
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<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -707,7 +709,7 @@ Session resumption allows servers to link activity on the original connection
 with the resumed connection, which might be a privacy issue for clients.
 Clients can choose not to enable resumption to avoid creating this correlation.
 Clients SHOULD NOT reuse tickets as that allows entities other than the server
-to correlate connections; see Section C.4 of {{!TLS13}}.
+to correlate connections; see {{Section C.4 of TLS13}}.
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> @@ -4019,8 +4023,8 @@ acknowledged. This includes packets that are acknowledged after being declared
 lost, which can happen in the presence of network reordering. Doing so requires
 senders to retain information about packets after they are declared lost. A
 sender can discard this information after a period of time elapses that
-adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO (Section 6.2 of
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or on other events, such as reaching a memory limit.
+adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO ( {{Section 6.2 of

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566246434">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4019,8 +4023,8 @@ acknowledged. This includes packets that are acknowledged after being declared
 lost, which can happen in the presence of network reordering. Doing so requires
 senders to retain information about packets after they are declared lost. A
 sender can discard this information after a period of time elapses that
-adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO (Section 6.2 of
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or on other events, such as reaching a memory limit.
+adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO ( {{Section 6.2 of
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>  addresses.  This corresponds to the maximum datagram size.
 
 
 ### DPLPMTUD and Initial Connectivity
 
 From the perspective of DPLPMTUD, QUIC is an acknowledged Packetization Layer
-(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state (Section 5.2 of
-{{!DPLPMTUD}}) when the QUIC connection handshake has been completed.
+(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state ( {{Section 5.2

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566247945">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  addresses.  This corresponds to the maximum datagram size.
 
 
 ### DPLPMTUD and Initial Connectivity
 
 From the perspective of DPLPMTUD, QUIC is an acknowledged Packetization Layer
-(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state (Section 5.2 of
-{{!DPLPMTUD}}) when the QUIC connection handshake has been completed.
+(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state ( {{Section 5.2
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> @@ -6555,7 +6558,7 @@ considered separately.
 ### Handshake {#handshake-properties}
 
 The QUIC handshake incorporates the TLS 1.3 handshake and inherits the
-cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{?TLS13=RFC8446}}. Many
+cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{TLS13}}. Many

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566248610">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6555,7 +6558,7 @@ considered separately.
 ### Handshake {#handshake-properties}
 
 The QUIC handshake incorporates the TLS 1.3 handshake and inherits the
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> +state memory it uses and signal a lower dynamic table size than the decoder
+allows to propagate that fact to the decoder (see {{eviction}}).

Sorry I missed this comment earlier and basically reverted to my original text.  While the acts themselves are separate, the second is directly tied to the first -- the encoder can't change the size it is using without also signaling the decoder.

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<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +state memory it uses and signal a lower dynamic table size than the decoder
+allows to propagate that fact to the decoder (see {{eviction}}).
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<p>Sorry I missed this comment earlier and basically reverted to my original text.  While the acts themselves are separate, the second is directly tied to the first -- the encoder can't change the size it is using without also signaling the decoder.</p>

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@janaiyengar commented on this pull request.

Thanks for the work, @mnot! Apologies for the number of comments, they're all consistency fixes though, so they aren't much work.

>  
 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
 single bit flag, denoted as 'H' in this document (indicating whether the string
 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length

```suggestion
table from {{Appendix B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length
```

> +RTT samples and peer-reported host delays (see {{Section 13.2 of
+QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to generate a statistical description of the network path's

```suggestion
RTT samples and peer-reported host delays ({{Section 13.2 of
QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to generate a statistical description of the network path's
```

>  for each connection is adequate to quickly recover from a single packet loss.
 An endpoint that always retransmits packets in response to receiving packets
 that it cannot process risks creating an infinite exchange of packets.
 
-Endpoints can also use coalesced packets (see Section 12.2 of
-{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to ensure that each datagram elicits at least one
-acknowledgment. For example, a client can coalesce an Initial packet
-containing PING and PADDING frames with a 0-RTT data packet and a server can
-coalesce an Initial packet containing a PING frame with one or more packets in
-its first flight.
+Endpoints can also use coalesced packets (see {{Section 12.2 of

```suggestion
Endpoints can also use coalesced packets ({{Section 12.2 of
```

> @@ -768,13 +771,13 @@ initial RTT estimate.
 ## Discarding Keys and Packet State {#discarding-packets}
 
 When Initial and Handshake packet protection keys are discarded
-(see Section 4.9 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), all packets that were sent with those keys
+(see {{Section 4.9 of QUIC-TLS}}), all packets that were sent with those keys

```suggestion
({{Section 4.9 of QUIC-TLS}}), all packets that were sent with those keys
```

> @@ -620,7 +622,7 @@ Server Name Identification (SNI) or Application Layer Protocol Negotiation
 If the ClientHello spans multiple Initial packets, such servers would need to
 buffer the first received fragments, which could consume excessive resources if
 the client's address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, servers MAY
-use the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
+use the Retry feature (see {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer

```suggestion
use the Retry feature ({{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer
```

> @@ -707,7 +709,7 @@ Session resumption allows servers to link activity on the original connection
 with the resumed connection, which might be a privacy issue for clients.
 Clients can choose not to enable resumption to avoid creating this correlation.
 Clients SHOULD NOT reuse tickets as that allows entities other than the server
-to correlate connections; see Section C.4 of {{!TLS13}}.
+to correlate connections; see {{Section C.4 of TLS13}}.

```suggestion
to correlate connections; see {{Appendix C.4 of TLS13}}.
```

> @@ -804,19 +806,19 @@ requirements for determining whether to accept or reject early data.
 
 ## HelloRetryRequest
 
-The HelloRetryRequest message (see Section 4.1.4 of {{!TLS13}}) can be used to
+The HelloRetryRequest message (see {{Section 4.1.4 of TLS13}}) can be used to

```suggestion
The HelloRetryRequest message ({{Section 4.1.4 of TLS13}}) can be used to
```

> @@ -943,15 +945,15 @@ QUIC derives packet protection keys in the same way that TLS derives record
 protection keys.
 
 Each encryption level has separate secret values for protection of packets sent
-in each direction.  These traffic secrets are derived by TLS (see Section 7.1 of
-{{!TLS13}}) and are used by QUIC for all encryption levels except the Initial
-encryption level.  The secrets for the Initial encryption level are computed
+in each direction. These traffic secrets are derived by TLS (see {{Section 7.1

```suggestion
in each direction. These traffic secrets are derived by TLS ({{Section 7.1
```

> @@ -983,11 +985,10 @@ Initial packets apply the packet protection process, but use a secret derived
 from the Destination Connection ID field from the client's first Initial
 packet.
 
-This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of
-{{!HKDF=RFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadccbb7f0a
-and a IKM of the Destination Connection ID field. This produces an intermediate
-pseudorandom key (PRK) that is used to derive two separate secrets for sending
-and receiving.
+This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see {{Section 2.2 of HKDF}})

```suggestion
This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract ({{Section 2.2 of HKDF}})
```

> @@ -1811,8 +1812,8 @@ negotiation.  TLS uses Application Layer Protocol Negotiation
 is used for agreeing on an application protocol, endpoints MUST use ALPN for
 this purpose.
 
-When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately close a connection (see Section
-10.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) with a no_application_protocol TLS alert (QUIC error
+When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately close a connection (see {{Section

```suggestion
When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately close a connection ({{Section
```

> @@ -1963,12 +1964,12 @@ A small ClientHello that results in a large block of handshake messages from a
 server can be used in packet reflection attacks to amplify the traffic generated
 by an attacker.
 
-QUIC includes three defenses against this attack. First, the packet containing a
-ClientHello MUST be padded to a minimum size. Second, if responding to an
-unverified source address, the server is forbidden to send more than three times
-as many bytes as the number of bytes it has received (see Section 8.1 of
-{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Finally, because acknowledgments of Handshake packets are
-authenticated, a blind attacker cannot forge them.  Put together, these defenses
+QUIC includes three defenses against this attack. First, the packet containing
+a ClientHello MUST be padded to a minimum size. Second, if responding to an
+unverified source address, the server is forbidden to send more than three
+times as many bytes as the number of bytes it has received (see {{Section 8.1

```suggestion
times as many bytes as the number of bytes it has received ({{Section 8.1
```

> @@ -1956,11 +1960,11 @@ least 64 bits of entropy.
 
 For the client, the value of the Destination Connection ID field in its first
 Initial packet allows it to validate the server address as a part of
-successfully processing any packet.  Initial packets from the server are
-protected with keys that are derived from this value (see Section 5.2 of
-{{QUIC-TLS}}). Alternatively, the value is echoed by the server in Version
+successfully processing any packet. Initial packets from the server are
+protected with keys that are derived from this value (see {{Section 5.2 of

```suggestion
protected with keys that are derived from this value ({{Section 5.2 of
```

> @@ -2969,7 +2973,7 @@ transmission of any packets on this connection.
 When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that the peer will process
 the frame.  Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the highest
 level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded.  After the
-handshake is confirmed (see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint MUST
+handshake is confirmed (see {{Section 4.1.2 of QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint MUST

```suggestion
handshake is confirmed ({{Section 4.1.2 of QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint MUST
```

> @@ -4019,8 +4023,8 @@ acknowledged. This includes packets that are acknowledged after being declared
 lost, which can happen in the presence of network reordering. Doing so requires
 senders to retain information about packets after they are declared lost. A
 sender can discard this information after a period of time elapses that
-adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO (Section 6.2 of
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or on other events, such as reaching a memory limit.
+adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO ( {{Section 6.2 of

```suggestion
adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO ({{Section 6.2 of
```

>    that ECN validation has failed.
 
 If an endpoint has cause to expect that IP packets with an ECT codepoint might
 be dropped by a faulty network element, the endpoint could set an ECT codepoint
 for only the first ten outgoing packets on a path, or for a period of three
-PTOs (see Section 6.2 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). If all packets marked with non-zero
+PTOs (see {{Section 6.2 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}). If all packets marked with non-zero

```suggestion
PTOs ({{Section 6.2 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}). If all packets marked with non-zero
```

>  addresses.  This corresponds to the maximum datagram size.
 
 
 ### DPLPMTUD and Initial Connectivity
 
 From the perspective of DPLPMTUD, QUIC is an acknowledged Packetization Layer
-(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state (Section 5.2 of
-{{!DPLPMTUD}}) when the QUIC connection handshake has been completed.
+(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state ( {{Section 5.2

```suggestion
(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state ({{Section 5.2
```

> @@ -4779,8 +4783,8 @@ The first packet sent by a client always includes a CRYPTO frame that contains
 the start or all of the first cryptographic handshake message.  The first
 CRYPTO frame sent always begins at an offset of 0; see {{handshake}}.
 
-Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetryRequest (see Section 4.7 of
-{{QUIC-TLS}}), the client will send another series of Initial packets.  These
+Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetryRequest (see {{Section 4.7 of

```suggestion
Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetryRequest ({{Section 4.7 of
```

> @@ -4793,8 +4797,8 @@ first Handshake packet.  A server stops sending and processing Initial packets
 when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still be in
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
-Section 4.9.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state; see Section 6.4 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+{{Section 4.9.1 of QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
+control state; see {{Section 6.4 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}.

```suggestion
control state ({{Section 6.4 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}).
```

>  exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discarded (see
-Section 4.9.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion
-control state; see Section 6.4 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.
+{{Section 4.9.1 of QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congestion

remove "see"

> @@ -6555,7 +6558,7 @@ considered separately.
 ### Handshake {#handshake-properties}
 
 The QUIC handshake incorporates the TLS 1.3 handshake and inherits the
-cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{?TLS13=RFC8446}}. Many
+cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{TLS13}}. Many

```suggestion
cryptographic properties described in {{Appendix E.1 of TLS13}}. Many
```

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<p>Thanks for the work, <a class=3D"user-mention" data-hovercard-type=3D"=
user" data-hovercard-url=3D"/users/mnot/hovercard" data-octo-click=3D"hov=
ercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions=3D"link_type:self" href=3D"https:=
//github.com/mnot">@mnot</a>! Apologies for the number of comments, they'=
re all consistency fixes though, so they aren't much work.</p><hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566287899">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;  =0D
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ther the string=0D
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ger, and=0D
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huff=
man=0D
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Leng=
th=0D
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Len=
gth=0D
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<pre style=3D"color: #555">-table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used w=
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on_r566288444">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; +RTT samples and peer-reported host delays=
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-QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to generate a statistical description of the network p=
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<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;  for each connection is adequate to quickl=
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on_r566289776">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -620,7 +622,7 @@ Server Name Identifica=
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 the client&#39;s address has not yet been validated.  To avoid this, ser=
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-use the Retry feature (see Section 8.1 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only bu=
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+use the Retry feature (see {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only bu=
ffer=0D
</pre>=0D
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=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-use the Retry feature (see {{Section 8.1 of Q=
UIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer=0D
+use the Retry feature ({{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) to only buffer=
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</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566290329">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -707,7 +709,7 @@ Session resumption all=
ows servers to link activity on the original connection=0D
 with the resumed connection, which might be a privacy issue for clients.=
=0D
 Clients can choose not to enable resumption to avoid creating this corre=
lation.=0D
 Clients SHOULD NOT reuse tickets as that allows entities other than the =
server=0D
-to correlate connections; see Section C.4 of {{!TLS13}}.=0D
+to correlate connections; see {{Section C.4 of TLS13}}.=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-to correlate connections; see {{Section C.4 o=
f TLS13}}.=0D
+to correlate connections; see {{Appendix C.4 of TLS13}}.=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566290506">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -804,19 +806,19 @@ requirements for det=
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 =0D
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 =0D
-The HelloRetryRequest message (see Section 4.1.4 of {{!TLS13}}) can be u=
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+The HelloRetryRequest message (see {{Section 4.1.4 of TLS13}}) can be us=
ed to=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-The HelloRetryRequest message (see {{Section =
4.1.4 of TLS13}}) can be used to=0D
+The HelloRetryRequest message ({{Section 4.1.4 of TLS13}}) can be used t=
o=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566290721">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -943,15 +945,15 @@ QUIC derives packet =
protection keys in the same way that TLS derives record=0D
 protection keys.=0D
 =0D
 Each encryption level has separate secret values for protection of packe=
ts sent=0D
-in each direction.  These traffic secrets are derived by TLS (see Sectio=
n 7.1 of=0D
-{{!TLS13}}) and are used by QUIC for all encryption levels except the In=
itial=0D
-encryption level.  The secrets for the Initial encryption level are comp=
uted=0D
+in each direction. These traffic secrets are derived by TLS (see {{Secti=
on 7.1=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-in each direction. These traffic secrets are =
derived by TLS (see {{Section 7.1=0D
+in each direction. These traffic secrets are derived by TLS ({{Section 7=
.1=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566290931">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -983,11 +985,10 @@ Initial packets appl=
y the packet protection process, but use a secret derived=0D
 from the Destination Connection ID field from the client&#39;s first Ini=
tial=0D
 packet.=0D
 =0D
-This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see Section 2.2 of=0D
-{{!HKDF=3DRFC5869}}) with a salt of 0x38762cf7f55934b34d179ae6a4c80cadcc=
bb7f0a=0D
-and a IKM of the Destination Connection ID field. This produces an inter=
mediate=0D
-pseudorandom key (PRK) that is used to derive two separate secrets for s=
ending=0D
-and receiving.=0D
+This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract (see {{Section 2.2 of HK=
DF}})=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extra=
ct (see {{Section 2.2 of HKDF}})=0D
+This secret is determined by using HKDF-Extract ({{Section 2.2 of HKDF}}=
)=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566291270">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1811,8 +1812,8 @@ negotiation.  TLS us=
es Application Layer Protocol Negotiation=0D
 is used for agreeing on an application protocol, endpoints MUST use ALPN=
 for=0D
 this purpose.=0D
 =0D
-When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately close a connection (see Sect=
ion=0D
-10.2 of {{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}) with a no_application_protocol TLS alert (QU=
IC error=0D
+When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately close a connection (see {{Se=
ction=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately c=
lose a connection (see {{Section=0D
+When using ALPN, endpoints MUST immediately close a connection ({{Sectio=
n=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566291471">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1963,12 +1964,12 @@ A small ClientHell=
o that results in a large block of handshake messages from a=0D
 server can be used in packet reflection attacks to amplify the traffic g=
enerated=0D
 by an attacker.=0D
 =0D
-QUIC includes three defenses against this attack. First, the packet cont=
aining a=0D
-ClientHello MUST be padded to a minimum size. Second, if responding to a=
n=0D
-unverified source address, the server is forbidden to send more than thr=
ee times=0D
-as many bytes as the number of bytes it has received (see Section 8.1 of=
=0D
-{{QUIC-TRANSPORT}}). Finally, because acknowledgments of Handshake packe=
ts are=0D
-authenticated, a blind attacker cannot forge them.  Put together, these =
defenses=0D
+QUIC includes three defenses against this attack. First, the packet cont=
aining=0D
+a ClientHello MUST be padded to a minimum size. Second, if responding to=
 an=0D
+unverified source address, the server is forbidden to send more than thr=
ee=0D
+times as many bytes as the number of bytes it has received (see {{Sectio=
n 8.1=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-times as many bytes as the number of bytes it=
 has received (see {{Section 8.1=0D
+times as many bytes as the number of bytes it has received ({{Section 8.=
1=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566291884">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1956,11 +1960,11 @@ least 64 bits of e=
ntropy.=0D
 =0D
 For the client, the value of the Destination Connection ID field in its =
first=0D
 Initial packet allows it to validate the server address as a part of=0D
-successfully processing any packet.  Initial packets from the server are=
=0D
-protected with keys that are derived from this value (see Section 5.2 of=
=0D
-{{QUIC-TLS}}). Alternatively, the value is echoed by the server in Versi=
on=0D
+successfully processing any packet. Initial packets from the server are=0D=

+protected with keys that are derived from this value (see {{Section 5.2 =
of=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-protected with keys that are derived from thi=
s value (see {{Section 5.2 of=0D
+protected with keys that are derived from this value ({{Section 5.2 of=0D=

</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566292301">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -2969,7 +2973,7 @@ transmission of any =
packets on this connection.=0D
 When sending CONNECTION_CLOSE, the goal is to ensure that the peer will =
process=0D
 the frame.  Generally, this means sending the frame in a packet with the=
 highest=0D
 level of packet protection to avoid the packet being discarded.  After t=
he=0D
-handshake is confirmed (see Section 4.1.2 of {{QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint =
MUST=0D
+handshake is confirmed (see {{Section 4.1.2 of QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint =
MUST=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-handshake is confirmed (see {{Section 4.1.2 o=
f QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint MUST=0D
+handshake is confirmed ({{Section 4.1.2 of QUIC-TLS}}), an endpoint MUST=
=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566297256">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4019,8 +4023,8 @@ acknowledged. This i=
ncludes packets that are acknowledged after being declared=0D
 lost, which can happen in the presence of network reordering. Doing so r=
equires=0D
 senders to retain information about packets after they are declared lost=
. A=0D
 sender can discard this information after a period of time elapses that=0D=

-adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO (Section 6.2 of=0D
-{{QUIC-RECOVERY}}), or on other events, such as reaching a memory limit.=
=0D
+adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO ( {{Section 6.2 of=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-adequately allows for reordering, such as a P=
TO ( {{Section 6.2 of=0D
+adequately allows for reordering, such as a PTO ({{Section 6.2 of=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566297439">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;    that ECN validation has failed.=0D
 =0D
 If an endpoint has cause to expect that IP packets with an ECT codepoint=
 might=0D
 be dropped by a faulty network element, the endpoint could set an ECT co=
depoint=0D
 for only the first ten outgoing packets on a path, or for a period of th=
ree=0D
-PTOs (see Section 6.2 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}). If all packets marked with =
non-zero=0D
+PTOs (see {{Section 6.2 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}). If all packets marked with =
non-zero=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-PTOs (see {{Section 6.2 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}). =
If all packets marked with non-zero=0D
+PTOs ({{Section 6.2 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}). If all packets marked with non-=
zero=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566298417">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;  addresses.  This corresponds to the maxim=
um datagram size.=0D
 =0D
 =0D
 ### DPLPMTUD and Initial Connectivity=0D
 =0D
 From the perspective of DPLPMTUD, QUIC is an acknowledged Packetization =
Layer=0D
-(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state (Section=
 5.2 of=0D
-{{!DPLPMTUD}}) when the QUIC connection handshake has been completed.=0D=

+(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state ( {{Sect=
ion 5.2=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the D=
PLPMTUD BASE state ( {{Section 5.2=0D
+(PL). A QUIC sender can therefore enter the DPLPMTUD BASE state ({{Secti=
on 5.2=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566298822">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4779,8 +4783,8 @@ The first packet sen=
t by a client always includes a CRYPTO frame that contains=0D
 the start or all of the first cryptographic handshake message.  The firs=
t=0D
 CRYPTO frame sent always begins at an offset of 0; see {{handshake}}.=0D=

 =0D
-Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetryRequest (see Section 4.7 o=
f=0D
-{{QUIC-TLS}}), the client will send another series of Initial packets.  =
These=0D
+Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetryRequest (see {{Section 4.7=
 of=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetr=
yRequest (see {{Section 4.7 of=0D
+Note that if the server sends a TLS HelloRetryRequest ({{Section 4.7 of=0D=

</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566299484">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4793,8 +4797,8 @@ first Handshake pack=
et.  A server stops sending and processing Initial packets=0D
 when it receives its first Handshake packet.  Though packets might still=
 be in=0D
 flight or awaiting acknowledgment, no further Initial packets need to be=
=0D
 exchanged beyond this point.  Initial packet protection keys are discard=
ed (see=0D
-Section 4.9.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congesti=
on=0D
-control state; see Section 6.4 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
+{{Section 4.9.1 of QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congesti=
on=0D
+control state; see {{Section 6.4 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-control state; see {{Section 6.4 of QUIC-RECO=
VERY}}.=0D
+control state ({{Section 6.4 of QUIC-RECOVERY}}).=0D
</pre>=0D
=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566299923">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt;  exchanged beyond this point.  Initial pac=
ket protection keys are discarded (see=0D
-Section 4.9.1 of {{QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congesti=
on=0D
-control state; see Section 6.4 of {{QUIC-RECOVERY}}.=0D
+{{Section 4.9.1 of QUIC-TLS}}) along with any loss recovery and congesti=
on=0D
</pre>=0D
<p>remove "see"</p>=0D
=0D
<hr>=0D
=0D
<p>In <a href=3D"https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussi=
on_r566300438">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>=0D
<pre style=3D'color:#555'>&gt; @@ -6555,7 +6558,7 @@ considered separatel=
y.=0D
 ### Handshake {#handshake-properties}=0D
 =0D
 The QUIC handshake incorporates the TLS 1.3 handshake and inherits the=0D=

-cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{?TLS13=3DRFC8446=
}}. Many=0D
+cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{TLS13}}. Many=0D=

</pre>=0D
=0D
=E2=AC=87=EF=B8=8F Suggested change=0D
<pre style=3D"color: #555">-cryptographic properties described in Appendi=
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 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
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 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566375839">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
 single bit flag, denoted as &#39;H&#39; in this document (indicating whether the string
 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length
</pre>
<p>kramdown-rfc2629 doesn't currently recognize Appendix on the input side, but will produce "Appendix" on the output.  What Mark has is correct.</p>

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> @@ -707,7 +709,7 @@ Session resumption allows servers to link activity on the original connection
 with the resumed connection, which might be a privacy issue for clients.
 Clients can choose not to enable resumption to avoid creating this correlation.
 Clients SHOULD NOT reuse tickets as that allows entities other than the server
-to correlate connections; see Section C.4 of {{!TLS13}}.
+to correlate connections; see {{Section C.4 of TLS13}}.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566376151">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -707,7 +709,7 @@ Session resumption allows servers to link activity on the original connection
 with the resumed connection, which might be a privacy issue for clients.
 Clients can choose not to enable resumption to avoid creating this correlation.
 Clients SHOULD NOT reuse tickets as that allows entities other than the server
-to correlate connections; see Section C.4 of {{!TLS13}}.
+to correlate connections; see {{Section C.4 of TLS13}}.
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> @@ -6555,7 +6558,7 @@ considered separately.
 ### Handshake {#handshake-properties}
 
 The QUIC handshake incorporates the TLS 1.3 handshake and inherits the
-cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{?TLS13=RFC8446}}. Many
+cryptographic properties described in Appendix E.1 of {{TLS13}}. Many

```suggestion
cryptographic properties described in {{Section E.1 of TLS13}}. Many
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>  
 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
 single bit flag, denoted as 'H' in this document (indicating whether the string
 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566431854">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt;  
 HPACK defines string literals to begin on a byte boundary.  They begin with a
 single bit flag, denoted as &#39;H&#39; in this document (indicating whether the string
 is Huffman-coded), followed by the Length encoded as a 7-bit prefix integer, and
 finally Length bytes of data. When Huffman encoding is enabled, the Huffman
-table from Appendix B of [RFC7541] is used without modification and Length
+table from {{Section B of RFC7541}} is used without modification and Length
</pre>
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@janaiyengar I'd strongly prefer to keep this PR focused on behind-the-scenes tidying, rather than making an editorial wording choice. Beyond keeping the PR focused, doing this piecemeal is going to miss a large number of instances of "see..." because the changes represented here are only where a specific section is called out; you'd do much better to adjust that language consistently after this PR is applied (when you can do a search for "see {{ and it should consistently show all instances, whether or not there's a section being referenced).

If that's sensible to everyone, I think this is ready; tell me if I missed one of the comments.

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Cleanup the language here a little.

Closes #4745.
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  * TLS doesn&#39;t have to pad

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    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (7)

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<p>Cleanup the language here a little.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4745.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="786583292" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4745" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4745/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4745">#4745</a>.</p>

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FWIW, exceeding 2^60 insertions would be a tall order given data limits in QUIC; a 64-bit integer is definitely enough space for any size or length field.  Implementations can use smaller values, probably reliably.  There is some need for care in those cases, but I don't see the spec as bearing any responsibility for that.

@afrind, remember that MAX_FIELD_SECTION_SIZE is advisory, so I wouldn't go so far as to say "practical".

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<p>FWIW, exceeding 2^60 insertions would be a tall order given data limits in QUIC; a 64-bit integer is definitely enough space for any size or length field.  Implementations can use smaller values, probably reliably.  There is some need for care in those cases, but I don't see the spec as bearing any responsibility for that.</p>
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Here are the diffs, since tools is failing so badly (I plan to work around that, but that will take some time).

https://gist.github.com/martinthomson/44906649598b56dd80c32268bb0f8a3a

I've spotted one problem there already, but it does look good so far.

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<p>Here are the diffs, since tools is failing so badly (I plan to work around that, but that will take some time).</p>
<p><a href="https://gist.github.com/martinthomson/44906649598b56dd80c32268bb0f8a3a">https://gist.github.com/martinthomson/44906649598b56dd80c32268bb0f8a3a</a></p>
<p>I've spotted one problem there already, but it does look good so far.</p>

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> @@ -4359,7 +4363,7 @@ Endpoints could limit the content of PMTU probes to PING and PADDING frames,
 since packets that are larger than the current maximum datagram size are more
 likely to be dropped by the network.  Loss of a QUIC packet that is carried in a
 PMTU probe is therefore not a reliable indication of congestion and SHOULD NOT
-trigger a congestion control reaction; see Section 3, Bullet 7 of {{!DPLPMTUD}}.
+trigger a congestion control reaction; see {{Section 3 of DPLPMTUD}}, Bullet 7.

This is the only change that I am going to take over what is here.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4820#discussion_r566510270">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -4359,7 +4363,7 @@ Endpoints could limit the content of PMTU probes to PING and PADDING frames,
 since packets that are larger than the current maximum datagram size are more
 likely to be dropped by the network.  Loss of a QUIC packet that is carried in a
 PMTU probe is therefore not a reliable indication of congestion and SHOULD NOT
-trigger a congestion control reaction; see Section 3, Bullet 7 of {{!DPLPMTUD}}.
+trigger a congestion control reaction; see {{Section 3 of DPLPMTUD}}, Bullet 7.
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> +enough that the Initial packet fills a datagram of the minimum size required for
+carring Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet
+coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see {{Section 14.1 of
+QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

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enough to meet QUIC's requirements for Initial packets; see {{Section 14.1 of
QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet coalescing
to ensure that datagrams are large enough.
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> +enough that the Initial packet fills a datagram of the minimum size required for
+carring Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet
+coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see {{Section 14.1 of
+QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

That is where I started, but we don't have requirements for packets, we have requirements for datagrams.  Maybe "...for datagrams that carry Initial packets..."

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4821#discussion_r566568237">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +enough that the Initial packet fills a datagram of the minimum size required for
+carring Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet
+coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see {{Section 14.1 of
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<p>That is where I started, but we don't have requirements for packets, we have requirements for datagrams.  Maybe "...for datagrams that carry Initial packets..."</p>

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> +enough that the Initial packet fills a datagram of the minimum size required for
+carring Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet
+coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see {{Section 14.1 of
+QUIC-TRANSPORT}}.

Ah, yes, makes sense. "datagrams that carry Initial packets" works.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4821#discussion_r566568953">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +enough that the Initial packet fills a datagram of the minimum size required for
+carring Initial packets. QUIC implementations use PADDING frames or packet
+coalescing to ensure that datagrams are large enough; see {{Section 14.1 of
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  Branch: refs/heads/yang
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/load-balancers
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  Date:   2021-01-29 (Fri, 29 Jan 2021)

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  Branch: refs/heads/yang
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