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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks Martin, PTAL

> @@ -664,8 +664,11 @@ data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
 as specified in {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no additional data can be
 sent, the server's PTO timer MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been
 received from the client, because packets sent on PTO count against the
-anti-amplification limit. Note that the server could fail to validate the
-client's address even if 0-RTT is accepted.
+anti-amplification limit.  The server's PTO timer could be re-armed to a time
+in the past after being amplification limited, in which case it is executed
+immediately. Doing so avoids sending new 1-RTT packets prior to packets
+critical to the completion of the handshake.  Note that the server could fail
+to validate the client's address even if 0-RTT is accepted.

I reworked it to connect it back, which I think makes sense given this mostly happens when 0-RTT is accepted, but address validation fails.

> +      // PTO would have already expired, execute it
+      // immediately.

Suggestion taken with a small change.

> +anti-amplification limit.  The server's PTO timer could be re-armed to a time
+in the past after being amplification limited, in which case it is executed
+immediately. Doing so avoids sending new 1-RTT packets prior to packets
+critical to the completion of the handshake.  Note that the server could fail

I created a new paragraph and worked in the beginning of your suggestion, but I was having a harder time with the end.

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<p>Thanks Martin, PTAL</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4831#discussion_r587543243">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -664,8 +664,11 @@ data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
 as specified in {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no additional data can be
 sent, the server&#39;s PTO timer MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been
 received from the client, because packets sent on PTO count against the
-anti-amplification limit. Note that the server could fail to validate the
-client&#39;s address even if 0-RTT is accepted.
+anti-amplification limit.  The server&#39;s PTO timer could be re-armed to a time
+in the past after being amplification limited, in which case it is executed
+immediately. Doing so avoids sending new 1-RTT packets prior to packets
+critical to the completion of the handshake.  Note that the server could fail
+to validate the client&#39;s address even if 0-RTT is accepted.
</pre>
<p>I reworked it to connect it back, which I think makes sense given this mostly happens when 0-RTT is accepted, but address validation fails.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4831#discussion_r587528765">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +      // PTO would have already expired, execute it
+      // immediately.
</pre>
<p>Suggestion taken with a small change.</p>

<hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4831#discussion_r587542788">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +anti-amplification limit.  The server&#39;s PTO timer could be re-armed to a time
+in the past after being amplification limited, in which case it is executed
+immediately. Doing so avoids sending new 1-RTT packets prior to packets
+critical to the completion of the handshake.  Note that the server could fail
</pre>
<p>I created a new paragraph and worked in the beginning of your suggestion, but I was having a harder time with the end.</p>

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> @@ -1375,6 +1381,10 @@ OnDatagramReceived(datagram):
   // PTO timer to avoid deadlock.
   if (server was at anti-amplification limit):
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
+    if loss_detection_timer.timeout < now():
+      // Execute PTO if it would have expired
+	    // while the amplification limit applied.

```suggestion
	     // while the amplification limit applied.
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  Note about pacing

Warn against the pathological case of dropping packets due to pacing. Closes #16


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Note about pacing


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Here are some suggestions from my first pass, but overall I think the static vs dynamic server ID allocation idea works nicely.

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Very editorial nit:

The `STOP_SENDING Frames` section has the following text:

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A STOP_SENDING frame can be sent for streams in the Recv or Size Known states; see {{stream-send-states}}.
```

The states referenced here are in fact receive stream states, not send stream states. Should this be:

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A STOP_SENDING frame can be sent for streams in the Recv or Size Known states; see {{stream-recv-states}}.
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The same goes for MAX_STREAM_DATA:

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A MAX_STREAM_DATA frame can be sent for streams in the Recv state; see {{stream-send-states}}.
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<p>Very editorial nit:</p>
<p>The <code>STOP_SENDING Frames</code> section has the following text:</p>
<pre><code>A STOP_SENDING frame can be sent for streams in the Recv or Size Known states; see {{stream-send-states}}.
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<p>The states referenced here are in fact receive stream states, not send stream states. Should this be:</p>
<pre><code>A STOP_SENDING frame can be sent for streams in the Recv or Size Known states; see {{stream-recv-states}}.
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<p>The same goes for MAX_STREAM_DATA:</p>
<pre><code>A MAX_STREAM_DATA frame can be sent for streams in the Recv state; see {{stream-send-states}}.
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  Branch: refs/heads/mjoras-test-solidarity
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Add ietf110/QUIC_Version_Negotiation_IETF_110.pdf


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In the Loss Recovery Pseudocode, `min_rtt` is initialized to 0: https://t=
ools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-34#appendix-A.4=0D
=0D
This can result in dividing by zero if one implements a Cubic congestion =
controller ([RFC8312](https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8312)) that incorpor=
ates `min_rtt` (as the [Linux TCP Cubic implementation does](https://gith=
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```=0D
 W_est(t) =3D W_max*beta_cubic + [3*(1-beta_cubic)/(1+beta_cubic)] * (t/R=
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An endpoint can enter congestion avoidance without receiving any acks for=
 any ack-eliciting packets (only non-ack eliciting packets). In such a sc=
enario, `min_rtt` would still be 0, due to the requirement from [=C2=A75.=
1](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-34#section-5.1):=0D=

=0D
```=0D
An RTT sample MUST NOT be generated on receiving an ACK frame that does n=
ot newly acknowledge at least one ack-eliciting packet.=0D
```=0D
 Since `min_rtt` is 0 when `w_est` is calculated, the divide by 0 occurs.=
 This could be addressed by initializing `min_rtt` to `kInitialRtt` inste=
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<p></p>=0D
<p>In the Loss Recovery Pseudocode, <code>min_rtt</code> is initialized t=
o 0: <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-34#a=
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<p>This can result in dividing by zero if one implements a Cubic congesti=
on controller (<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8312" rel=3D"nof=
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f2e92178a21/net/ipv4/tcp_cubic.c#L266">Linux TCP Cubic implementation doe=
s</a>). Cubic specifies the <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc831=
2#section-4.2" rel=3D"nofollow">formula for <code>W_est</code></a>, used =
in congestion avoidance, as:</p>=0D
<pre><code> W_est(t) =3D W_max*beta_cubic + [3*(1-beta_cubic)/(1+beta_cub=
ic)] * (t/RTT)=0D
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<p>An endpoint can enter congestion avoidance without receiving any acks =
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I feel the existing pseudocode is ok, because min_rtt in the text and pseudocode is used for the purpose of rejecting potentially bad RTT samples, and is not a general purpose min_rtt.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-34#section-5.2

For example, BBR uses a windowed min_rtt that's fairly different.

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<p>I feel the existing pseudocode is ok, because min_rtt in the text and pseudocode is used for the purpose of rejecting potentially bad RTT samples, and is not a general purpose min_rtt.<br>
<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-34#section-5.2" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-recovery-34#section-5.2</a></p>
<p>For example, BBR uses a windowed min_rtt that's fairly different.</p>

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>This does bring up an edge case I hadn't thought much about, where no ack-eliciting packets are acknowledged, but a packet is declared lost. A compliant transport implementation shouldn't ACK only ACK-only packets, but a non-compliant one could.

The situation we saw was under severe packet loss, the peer sending probe packets containing a PING and ACK for non ack eliciting packets (ACKs and PADDING). The ACK-eliciting packets we send are getting dropped, so eventually we declare an ACK-eliciting packet lost and enter Recovery. When the next ACK comes in for a packet sent after we entered Recovery, we enter Congestion Avoidance and experience the issue with `min_rtt`. 

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<p>This does bring up an edge case I hadn't thought much about, where no ack-eliciting packets are acknowledged, but a packet is declared lost. A compliant transport implementation shouldn't ACK only ACK-only packets, but a non-compliant one could.</p>
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<p>The situation we saw was under severe packet loss, the peer sending probe packets containing a PING and ACK for non ack eliciting packets (ACKs and PADDING). The ACK-eliciting packets we send are getting dropped, so eventually we declare an ACK-eliciting packet lost and enter Recovery. When the next ACK comes in for a packet sent after we entered Recovery, we enter Congestion Avoidance and experience the issue with <code>min_rtt</code>.</p>

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I'm still a bit unclear.  Under what circumstances would a compliant peer send an ACK that only acknowledges non ack-eliciting packets?

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<p>I'm still a bit unclear.  Under what circumstances would a compliant peer send an ACK that only acknowledges non ack-eliciting packets?</p>

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After a probe timeout. Would that be non-compliant?

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<p>After a probe timeout. Would that be non-compliant?</p>

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If the client has opened a stream in 0-RTT with `initial_max_stream_data_uni = N`, and the server increases `initial_max_stream_data_uni` to `M`, does this apply to this stream as well, or only to streams opened after handshake completion?

Consensus in Slack seems to be that the limit should apply to all streams. The text should be explicit about that.

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<p>If the client has opened a stream in 0-RTT with <code>initial_max_stream_data_uni = N</code>, and the server increases <code>initial_max_stream_data_uni</code> to <code>M</code>, does this apply to this stream as well, or only to streams opened after handshake completion?</p>
<p>Consensus in Slack seems to be that the limit should apply to all streams. The text should be explicit about that.</p>

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Isn't that already clear enough? [Section 7.4.1 of the transport draft](https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-values-of-transport-paramet) states:
> Remembered transport parameters apply to the new connection until the handshake completes and the client starts sending 1-RTT packets. Once the handshake completes, the client uses the transport parameters established in the handshake.

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<p>Isn't that already clear enough? <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#name-values-of-transport-paramet" rel="nofollow">Section 7.4.1 of the transport draft</a> states:</p>
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@kazuho This is what the definition of the TP says:

> initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote (0x06): This parameter is an integer value specifying the initial flow control limit for peer-initiated bidirectional streams. This limit applies to newly created bidirectional streams opened by the endpoint that receives the transport parameter. 

Arguably, the stream used in 0-RTT is not a "newly created" stream.

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<p>initial_max_stream_data_bidi_remote (0x06): This parameter is an integer value specifying the initial flow control limit for peer-initiated bidirectional streams. This limit applies to newly created bidirectional streams opened by the endpoint that receives the transport parameter.</p>
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<p>Arguably, the stream used in 0-RTT is not a "newly created" stream.</p>

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Yeah, let's just be really clear about this.  Though @kazuho quotes the section that is most important, this has proven to be a mistake common enough to spend text on.

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  Branch: refs/heads/update-max-data-0rtt
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-03-12 (Fri, 12 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams

Closes #4834.



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Closes #4834.
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (6)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4834.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="829672335" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4834" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4834/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4834">#4834</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams</li>
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> +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
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the handshake completes, the client updates the flow control
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I think this is the moment when the client is expected to apply the new transport parameters.

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> +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control

My implementation updates when transport parameters are received. Is that wrong?

Could we allow either?

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4835#discussion_r593074735">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control
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<p>My implementation updates when transport parameters are received. Is that wrong?</p>
<p>Could we allow either?</p>

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> +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control

In https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-7.4.1-2, we state that the transport parameters are updated when the handshake is complete. The requirement for the flow control limits cannot contradict from that.

Also, I tend to believe that applying them at handshake completion is correct, because generally speaking, transport parameters affect application behavior, and application behavior should only depend on messages that have been authenticated.

It might be possible to argue that the new transport parameters are authenticated at the moment they are received because they are AEAD-encrypted using handshake traffic keys that depend on the PSK. But I am not sure if TLS is considered safe when used as such.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4835#discussion_r593125719">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control
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<p>In <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-7.4.1-2" rel="nofollow">https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-7.4.1-2</a>, we state that the transport parameters are updated when the handshake is complete. The requirement for the flow control limits cannot contradict from that.</p>
<p>Also, I tend to believe that applying them at handshake completion is correct, because generally speaking, transport parameters affect application behavior, and application behavior should only depend on messages that have been authenticated.</p>
<p>It might be possible to argue that the new transport parameters are authenticated at the moment they are received because they are AEAD-encrypted using handshake traffic keys that depend on the PSK. But I am not sure if TLS is considered safe when used as such.</p>

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> +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control

Good point.  We make them available sooner because if you don't, you can't use 0.5-RTT.  I'll take the suggestion, but maybe we need to take some time to discuss this more at some later point.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4835#discussion_r593134573">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control
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<p>Good point.  We make them available sooner because if you don't, you can't use 0.5-RTT.  I'll take the suggestion, but maybe we need to take some time to discuss this more at some later point.</p>

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This is not necessarily an "issue" but more of a "feature recommendation" and I'm writing it up after a Gather discussion with Jana. This could possibly be integrated into v2, though I don't know if there is any official process for that yet.

**Problem space:**

Currently, large enough packet reordering triggers the congestion event logic, possibly resulting in a significant degradation of performance.  When the ACK eventually comes in to indicate to loss recovery that the "loss" was spurious, the damage has already been done to congestion control.

**Proposed solution:**

I propose to add a new interface to CC: "Spurious Congestion Event", which is simply triggered by loss recovery if/when all lost packets since the last congestion event end up being acknowledged. When this happens, CC should be able to "undo" the effect of the previous congestion event.

This should be quite trivial for existing QUIC implementations to implement since the spec already recommends tracking "lost" packets to be able to detect spurious loss. Assuming that logic exists the change to determine when these are found to all be acknowledged is likely fairly trivial. The changes on the CC side generally amount to saving a "backup" of the state whenever there is a congestion event, and then reverting to that state when it's found to be spurious.

We've implemented this in msquic and it effectively eliminates the effect of large reordering on performance (as measured in [our simulated WAN perf testing](https://microsoft.github.io/msquic/wanperf.html)). I believe picoquic also has similar logic and saw similar benefit (fyi @huitema to confirm).

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<p>This is not necessarily an "issue" but more of a "feature recommendation" and I'm writing it up after a Gather discussion with Jana. This could possibly be integrated into v2, though I don't know if there is any official process for that yet.</p>
<p><strong>Problem space:</strong></p>
<p>Currently, large enough packet reordering triggers the congestion event logic, possibly resulting in a significant degradation of performance.  When the ACK eventually comes in to indicate to loss recovery that the "loss" was spurious, the damage has already been done to congestion control.</p>
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<p>I propose to add a new interface to CC: "Spurious Congestion Event", which is simply triggered by loss recovery if/when all lost packets since the last congestion event end up being acknowledged. When this happens, CC should be able to "undo" the effect of the previous congestion event.</p>
<p>This should be quite trivial for existing QUIC implementations to implement since the spec already recommends tracking "lost" packets to be able to detect spurious loss. Assuming that logic exists the change to determine when these are found to all be acknowledged is likely fairly trivial. The changes on the CC side generally amount to saving a "backup" of the state whenever there is a congestion event, and then reverting to that state when it's found to be spurious.</p>
<p>We've implemented this in msquic and it effectively eliminates the effect of large reordering on performance (as measured in <a href="https://microsoft.github.io/msquic/wanperf.html" rel="nofollow">our simulated WAN perf testing</a>). I believe picoquic also has similar logic and saw similar benefit (fyi <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/huitema/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/huitema">@huitema</a> to confirm).</p>

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With my chair hat on, this sounds like a substantial change to the recovery draft and we are too far along to consider it in v1. I also think that trying to 

That said, it seems like something with merit that could easily be done as an extension. There are a suite of other I-Ds that can improve recovery without defining a congestion control algorithm so they could fall into the scope of the future charter,

My advice would be to write a proposal in I-D format and solicit it to the mailing list.

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<p>With my chair hat on, this sounds like a substantial change to the recovery draft and we are too far along to consider it in v1. I also think that trying to</p>
<p>That said, it seems like something with merit that could easily be done as an extension. There are a suite of other I-Ds that can improve recovery without defining a congestion control algorithm so they could fall into the scope of the future charter,</p>
<p>My advice would be to write a proposal in I-D format and solicit it to the mailing list.</p>

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I am not proposing this as a change to v1. I also don't think this qualifies as an extension. There is no negotiation required here. It's purely a sender side, implementation detail (like much of loss recovery / congestion control). I also disagree that it's a substantial change ([67 lines of C code to msquic](https://github.com/microsoft/msquic/commit/655d4f0b40917c8adeac6d781d70faea9e1a85df)). A whole doc/draft just for this seems like overkill. Waiting for v2 would be my preference (which may be sooner rather than later if we truly want to exercise VN soon).

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<p>I am not proposing this as a change to v1. I also don't think this qualifies as an extension. There is no negotiation required here. It's purely a sender side, implementation detail (like much of loss recovery / congestion control). I also disagree that it's a substantial change (<a href="https://github.com/microsoft/msquic/commit/655d4f0b40917c8adeac6d781d70faea9e1a85df">67 lines of C code to msquic</a>). A whole doc/draft just for this seems like overkill. Waiting for v2 would be my preference (which may be sooner rather than later if we truly want to exercise VN soon).</p>

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with chair hat off

>  also disagree that it's a substantial change (67 lines of C code to msquic).

My comment was a substantial change to the document, I don't care about code :)

> I also don't think this qualifies as an extension. There is no negotiation required here.

Thanks for the clarification. I guess your proposal sounds like an extension to the interface, hence my suggestion that it is an extension, even if it is not part of the wire image and is not negotiated. Either way it seems like something that would be in scope for the WG's new charter. I honestly don't know at this time what a v2 would look like. I might suspect that we would rev the transport and recovery docs independently. 

It sounds useful, why couple yourself to an unknown v2 process timeline? I-Ds are cheap and even a document that has 1 page of prose can give people an anchor for implementation, deployment and discussion. 





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<p>My comment was a substantial change to the document, I don't care about code :)</p>
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<p>Thanks for the clarification. I guess your proposal sounds like an extension to the interface, hence my suggestion that it is an extension, even if it is not part of the wire image and is not negotiated. Either way it seems like something that would be in scope for the WG's new charter. I honestly don't know at this time what a v2 would look like. I might suspect that we would rev the transport and recovery docs independently.</p>
<p>It sounds useful, why couple yourself to an unknown v2 process timeline? I-Ds are cheap and even a document that has 1 page of prose can give people an anchor for implementation, deployment and discussion.</p>

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Picoquic has implemented this since 2019, and I can confirm that (a) this is useful and (b) this is a unilateral decision by the implementation. I don't think we need to change the recovery draft, because that draft is only meant to specify minimal rules for developers who don't know any better. Those who know better read the litterature, and react accordingly.

I documented the interaction between Cubic-based congestion control and spurious transmission in [a blog published in November 2019](https://huitema.wordpress.com/2019/11/11/implementing-cubic-congestion-control-in-quic/). The handling has since been added to the Cubic "bis" draft, see section 4.9 of the [bis draft](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-tcpm-rfc8312bis/?include_text=1). So we can say that this is now documented.

There is a missing part for Cubic implementation. The Cubic draft does not explain how implementations of QUIC actually detect spurious retransmission. The solution implemented in picoquic is rather simple: if a packet is marked lost, remember information about that packet for a while -- maybe 3*RTT. If an ACK frame acknowledging the packet number is received during that interval, detect the spurious retransmission. It would probably be nice to add something like that to a revision of the recovery specification, but I don't think developers will spend too much time figuring this one out by themselves. So I assume that we can wait for the bis edition of the recovery RFC.

By the way, the November 2019 blog mentioned three problems. Two of those are addressed in the revised Cubic draft: specify the units of the constants that Cubic uses, and specify the handling of spurious retransmission. The third problem is not so much with Cubic as with Hystart. Hystart uses RTT measurements to detect queue build-up and exit slow start before starting to lose packets, which is generally great. However, on some links, the RTT measurements are affected by a lot of jitter. This can cause early exit, which is not great. The solution implemented in picoquic is to implement a kind of low pass filter before using RTT measurements in Hystart -- I use the minimum of the last N measurements, with currently N=6. I also use the time stamp extension when available to isolate variations on the data path from those on the high path. I don't know if there is appetite in the WG to further document this problem.

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<p>Picoquic has implemented this since 2019, and I can confirm that (a) this is useful and (b) this is a unilateral decision by the implementation. I don't think we need to change the recovery draft, because that draft is only meant to specify minimal rules for developers who don't know any better. Those who know better read the litterature, and react accordingly.</p>
<p>I documented the interaction between Cubic-based congestion control and spurious transmission in <a href="https://huitema.wordpress.com/2019/11/11/implementing-cubic-congestion-control-in-quic/" rel="nofollow">a blog published in November 2019</a>. The handling has since been added to the Cubic "bis" draft, see section 4.9 of the <a href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eggert-tcpm-rfc8312bis/?include_text=1" rel="nofollow">bis draft</a>. So we can say that this is now documented.</p>
<p>There is a missing part for Cubic implementation. The Cubic draft does not explain how implementations of QUIC actually detect spurious retransmission. The solution implemented in picoquic is rather simple: if a packet is marked lost, remember information about that packet for a while -- maybe 3*RTT. If an ACK frame acknowledging the packet number is received during that interval, detect the spurious retransmission. It would probably be nice to add something like that to a revision of the recovery specification, but I don't think developers will spend too much time figuring this one out by themselves. So I assume that we can wait for the bis edition of the recovery RFC.</p>
<p>By the way, the November 2019 blog mentioned three problems. Two of those are addressed in the revised Cubic draft: specify the units of the constants that Cubic uses, and specify the handling of spurious retransmission. The third problem is not so much with Cubic as with Hystart. Hystart uses RTT measurements to detect queue build-up and exit slow start before starting to lose packets, which is generally great. However, on some links, the RTT measurements are affected by a lot of jitter. This can cause early exit, which is not great. The solution implemented in picoquic is to implement a kind of low pass filter before using RTT measurements in Hystart -- I use the minimum of the last N measurements, with currently N=6. I also use the time stamp extension when available to isolate variations on the data path from those on the high path. I don't know if there is appetite in the WG to further document this problem.</p>

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Thanks for the additional insight Christian. Is the hystart stuff something that could go into the hystart++ draft or is it something specific to QUIC?

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<p>Thanks for the additional insight Christian. Is the hystart stuff something that could go into the hystart++ draft or is it something specific to QUIC?</p>

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  Clarify Retry Service handling of non-Initial Packets

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@marten-seemann approved this pull request.

Thank you @martinthomson, this text resolves the ambiguity.



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<p>Thank you <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a>, this text resolves the ambiguity.</p>

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> +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control

I was confused by this as well, and had to fix this in quic-go. On the server I now make the transport parameters available immediately in order to support 0.5 RTT, on the client side, I hold them back until handshake completion.

Not really happy with this distinction, but at least it doesn't seem to break anything.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4835#discussion_r593553570">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +than the remembered values that a client applies when sending 0-RTT.  After
+receiving updated transport parameters, the client updates the flow control
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<p>I was confused by this as well, and had to fix this in quic-go. On the server I now make the transport parameters available immediately in order to support 0.5 RTT, on the client side, I hold them back until handshake completion.</p>
<p>Not really happy with this distinction, but at least it doesn't seem to break anything.</p>

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In regards to the issue originally raised about min_rtt, I still feel the min_rtt is not general purpose, so the originally stated issue is not a problem in the context of QUIC recovery.  Other discussion follows.


First, you'd have to complete the handshake without an RTT sample, which seems unlikely, but possible, so let's assume that.


A PTO would send an ack-eliciting packet, and when the ACK for that packet came back, you'd have an RTT sample.  However, if the peer was sending ACK+PING for every other ACK+PADDING packet, then you're correct that the incoming ACK bundled with the PING would not create an RTT measurement, but would allow any previously sent ACK-eliciting packets to be declared as lost if the packet threshold was reached.


In regards to "peer sending probe packets containing a PING and ACK for non ack eliciting packets (ACKs and PADDING)", if you're saying that the peer is sending those in response to the ACK+PADDING packets, that sounds non-compliant to me.

In regards to whether it's ok to send ACK+PING in response to ACK+PADDING, I re-read "Sending ACK Frames"(https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-13.2.1) and it says: "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps that precede the received packet."  Are you sending PADDING+PING due to that prohibition?  I'm a bit concerned that could cause an infinite or near-infinite loop under the wrong circumstance, which was exactly the issue the paragraph highlights.

The last paragraph does specifically preclude sending ack-eliciting packets in response to every non-ack-eliciting packet: "A receiver MUST NOT send an ack-eliciting frame in all packets that would otherwise be non-ack-eliciting, to avoid an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments."

It may make sense to move that final paragraph up, as it's a bit disconnected at the moment?

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<p>In regards to the issue originally raised about min_rtt, I still feel the min_rtt is not general purpose, so the originally stated issue is not a problem in the context of QUIC recovery.  Other discussion follows.</p>
<p>First, you'd have to complete the handshake without an RTT sample, which seems unlikely, but possible, so let's assume that.</p>
<p>A PTO would send an ack-eliciting packet, and when the ACK for that packet came back, you'd have an RTT sample.  However, if the peer was sending ACK+PING for every other ACK+PADDING packet, then you're correct that the incoming ACK bundled with the PING would not create an RTT measurement, but would allow any previously sent ACK-eliciting packets to be declared as lost if the packet threshold was reached.</p>
<p>In regards to "peer sending probe packets containing a PING and ACK for non ack eliciting packets (ACKs and PADDING)", if you're saying that the peer is sending those in response to the ACK+PADDING packets, that sounds non-compliant to me.</p>
<p>In regards to whether it's ok to send ACK+PING in response to ACK+PADDING, I re-read "Sending ACK Frames"(<a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-13.2.1" rel="nofollow">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#section-13.2.1</a>) and it says: "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps that precede the received packet."  Are you sending PADDING+PING due to that prohibition?  I'm a bit concerned that could cause an infinite or near-infinite loop under the wrong circumstance, which was exactly the issue the paragraph highlights.</p>
<p>The last paragraph does specifically preclude sending ack-eliciting packets in response to every non-ack-eliciting packet: "A receiver MUST NOT send an ack-eliciting frame in all packets that would otherwise be non-ack-eliciting, to avoid an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments."</p>
<p>It may make sense to move that final paragraph up, as it's a bit disconnected at the moment?</p>

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I'd be supportive of an update to the recovery doc to incorporate detection of spurious retransmissions and any other changes which make sense(Scope TBD).

I agree with @nibanks that this isn't well suited to an ID, given it's unilateral.

I was going to put parked on this, indicating it might warrant discussion in v2, but I realize I really want the quicv2 label.

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<p>I'd be supportive of an update to the recovery doc to incorporate detection of spurious retransmissions and any other changes which make sense(Scope TBD).</p>
<p>I agree with <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/nibanks/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/nibanks">@nibanks</a> that this isn't well suited to an ID, given it's unilateral.</p>
<p>I was going to put parked on this, indicating it might warrant discussion in v2, but I realize I really want the quicv2 label.</p>

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> In regards to the issue originally raised about min_rtt, I still feel the min_rtt is not general purpose, so the originally stated issue is not a problem in the context of QUIC recovery. 

Agree that its not a problem within the context of QUIC recovery, I just wanted to call it out as an issue I experienced. If there wasn't much reason to initialize to 0 perhaps initializing to a value that is actually possible would make sense (and would prevent issues like the one I saw), but its not a big deal.

> "An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps that precede the received packet." Are you sending PADDING+PING due to that prohibition? 

Just to clarify, only the peer is sending PINGS in the scenario we saw (actually PADDING+PING+ACK)

> The last paragraph does specifically preclude sending ack-eliciting packets in response to every non-ack-eliciting packet: "A receiver MUST NOT send an ack-eliciting frame in all packets that would otherwise be non-ack-eliciting, to avoid an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments."

The peer is sending ack-eliciting packets (PADDING+PING+ACK) due to PTO timeouts, its not a case of upgrading non-ack-eliciting packets to ack-eliciting by throwing in a PING every time, more that the ACKs are getting included when the probes get sent. 

> It may make sense to move that final paragraph up, as it's a bit disconnected at the moment?

I did find this paragraph confusing until I read https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3853#issuecomment-656310128, I'm not sure moving it up would help without some additional rewording.

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<p>In regards to the issue originally raised about min_rtt, I still feel the min_rtt is not general purpose, so the originally stated issue is not a problem in the context of QUIC recovery.</p>
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<p>Agree that its not a problem within the context of QUIC recovery, I just wanted to call it out as an issue I experienced. If there wasn't much reason to initialize to 0 perhaps initializing to a value that is actually possible would make sense (and would prevent issues like the one I saw), but its not a big deal.</p>
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<p>"An endpoint MUST NOT send a non-ack-eliciting packet in response to a non-ack-eliciting packet, even if there are packet gaps that precede the received packet." Are you sending PADDING+PING due to that prohibition?</p>
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<p>Just to clarify, only the peer is sending PINGS in the scenario we saw (actually PADDING+PING+ACK)</p>
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<p>The last paragraph does specifically preclude sending ack-eliciting packets in response to every non-ack-eliciting packet: "A receiver MUST NOT send an ack-eliciting frame in all packets that would otherwise be non-ack-eliciting, to avoid an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments."</p>
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<p>The peer is sending ack-eliciting packets (PADDING+PING+ACK) due to PTO timeouts, its not a case of upgrading non-ack-eliciting packets to ack-eliciting by throwing in a PING every time, more that the ACKs are getting included when the probes get sent.</p>
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<p>It may make sense to move that final paragraph up, as it's a bit disconnected at the moment?</p>
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<p>I did find this paragraph confusing until I read <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="652839036" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3853" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3853/hovercard?comment_id=656310128&amp;comment_type=issue_comment" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/3853#issuecomment-656310128">#3853 (comment)</a>, I'm not sure moving it up would help without some additional rewording.</p>

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> In the document, the Stream Types registry presents numeric values 
> as two-digit sequences with a leading zero, while the first two 
> registries use one digit. Because 
> https://www.iana.org/assignments/quic uses two digits throughout, 
> we've used two here.

While the IANA copy of the registry uses two digits throughout, the QUIC draft is similarly inconsistent about whether literal hex values have any leading zeros.  Is it worth updating our hex literals to use full bytes (`0x00`, `0x0103`, etc.) or synchonizing on some other format?  We probably shouldn't synchronize on trimming, since IANA has already skewed the other way.

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<p>In the document, the Stream Types registry presents numeric values<br>
as two-digit sequences with a leading zero, while the first two<br>
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<p>While the IANA copy of the registry uses two digits throughout, the QUIC draft is similarly inconsistent about whether literal hex values have any leading zeros.  Is it worth updating our hex literals to use full bytes (<code>0x00</code>, <code>0x0103</code>, etc.) or synchonizing on some other format?  We probably shouldn't synchronize on trimming, since IANA has already skewed the other way.</p>

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The QUIC registry policies, imported to HTTP/3, specify that a change controller and their contact information should be listed with each permanent registration.  QPACK doesn't provide one.

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<p>The QUIC registry policies, imported to HTTP/3, specify that a change controller and their contact information should be listed with each permanent registration.  QPACK doesn't provide one.</p>

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  Change packet number encoding example

For a reason I didn't bother to investigate this was wrong.

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For a reason I didn&#39;t bother to investigate this was wrong.

@MikeBishop, please double check.  Anyone else who wants to double
check, the extra effort would be appreciated.
You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:

  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4840

-- Commit Summary --

  * Change packet number encoding example

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (10)

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<p>For a reason I didn't bother to investigate this was wrong.</p>
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<h4>You can view, comment on, or merge this pull request online at:</h4>
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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Change packet number encoding example</li>
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0xac5c02 - 0xabe8bc = 0x7346

... but your answer is 29,519 (0x734f) which is a difference of 9.

The next example is also wrong, but by a different amount.

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<p>0xac5c02 - 0xabe8bc = 0x7346</p>
<p>... but your answer is 29,519 (0x734f) which is a difference of 9.</p>
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When a _DATA_ frame is received as the first frame on the control stream, [HTTP/3 ID-34](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-34) mandates two different error codes:

Section 6.2.1:

```
   Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of
   the connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this
   stream.  If the first frame of the control stream is any other frame
   type, this MUST be treated as a connection error of type
   H3_MISSING_SETTINGS.
```

Section 7.2.1:

```
   DATA frames MUST be associated with an HTTP request or response.  If
   a DATA frame is received on a control stream, the recipient MUST
   respond with a connection error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED;
```

(Found by @kazu-yamamoto's `h3spec` tool while testing [lsquic](https://github.com/litespeedtech/lsquic).)

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<p>When a <em>DATA</em> frame is received as the first frame on the control stream, <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-http-34" rel="nofollow">HTTP/3 ID-34</a> mandates two different error codes:</p>
<p>Section 6.2.1:</p>
<pre><code>   Each side MUST initiate a single control stream at the beginning of
   the connection and send its SETTINGS frame as the first frame on this
   stream.  If the first frame of the control stream is any other frame
   type, this MUST be treated as a connection error of type
   H3_MISSING_SETTINGS.
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<p>Section 7.2.1:</p>
<pre><code>   DATA frames MUST be associated with an HTTP request or response.  If
   a DATA frame is received on a control stream, the recipient MUST
   respond with a connection error of type H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED;
</code></pre>
<p>(Found by <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/kazu-yamamoto/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/kazu-yamamoto">@kazu-yamamoto</a>'s <code>h3spec</code> tool while testing <a href="https://github.com/litespeedtech/lsquic">lsquic</a>.)</p>

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Seems fine to me. Its always an error to send DATA on a control stream. There's a precedence between the two conditions, if we try to articulate that in every case the text could become quite unwieldy.

There is a precedence between betwe

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This appears to check out, but obviously my math is suspect, having written the original example.  :-)

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<p>This appears to check out, but obviously my math is suspect, having written the original example.  :-)</p>

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I am the person who pointed this out to @MikeBishop last night.  These new numbers look correct to me. 

 Note, I am not involved with the draft writing, so can't approve this change.

Thanks for addressing.  

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<p>I am the person who pointed this out to <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> last night.  These new numbers look correct to me.</p>
<p>Note, I am not involved with the draft writing, so can't approve this change.</p>
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  Branch: refs/heads/main
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  Changed paths:
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  fixed typo in agenda of ietf110 (#208)

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Whether or not you can approve, I value the extra validation.  At this stage, we can't afford to make this sort of mistake.  And Mike, it's on me as much as you for not checking your numbers originally :)

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Fixes #4837, as well as other instances of the term.  RFC 7301 does indeed hyphenate (and that&#39;s correct, since &quot;application-layer&quot; is being used as a single unit to describe &quot;protocol&quot;).
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Application-Layer, not Application Layer

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (4)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (2)
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4837.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="830734404" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4837" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4837/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4837">#4837</a>, as well as other instances of the term.  RFC 7301 does indeed hyphenate (and that's correct, since "application-layer" is being used as a single unit to describe "protocol").</p>

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  <li>Application-Layer, not Application Layer</li>
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I'm not seeing any compelling reason to challenge a design principle. In this case specifically there's never a reason to send DATA on control streams, 

 We try to make it clear that endpoints shouldn't read too much into the specific error codes that they get and in this case the error is terminal for the connection, so there's not much the offender can do when it receives an error.

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<p>We try to make it clear that endpoints shouldn't read too much into the specific error codes that they get and in this case the error is terminal for the connection, so there's not much the offender can do when it receives an error.</p>

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  Changed paths:
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One possible resolution to #4838; all literals are zero-padded to full bytes.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844

-- Commit Summary --

  * Pad hex literals to byte lengths

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md (68)
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md (20)
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md (16)
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>One possible resolution to <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="833076297" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4838" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4838/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4838">#4838</a>; all literals are zero-padded to full bytes.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Pad hex literals to byte lengths</li>
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<h4>File Changes</h4>
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    <strong>M</strong>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844/files#diff-4acd82381fb9e24a5b7699d69e05b8bf9fac8629e4dda1aafcf393751cd3700e">draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md</a>
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    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844/files#diff-258c0e56cd25b2cce385b9288501d13cca7bbfb03b05a2e569ac1d0cd295f650">draft-ietf-quic-tls.md</a>
    (16)
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844/files#diff-42873df666a8ef4f18a716aaeefb1815db2d7a1935cc8d47532191f2648439cf">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>
    (2)
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  <li><a href='https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844.patch'>https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844.patch</a></li>
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  Branch: refs/heads/leading-zeros
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  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-03-18 (Thu, 18 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-qpack.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
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Fixes #4839.
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4839.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="833161410" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4839" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4839/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4839">#4839</a>.</p>

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<p>Responses along the lines of "a behavior may be wrong in more than one way" and "endpoints should not read too much into error codes" go against the spirit of the specification, with its registry of error codes and big bold <strong>MUST</strong> pronouncements about which error code is to be used under which circumstances.  It's inconsistent: what's the point of all the error codes, then, if we allow an implementation just to pick one of the error codes (as in this example)?  This is not a rhetorical question.</p>
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> Responses along the lines of "a behavior may be wrong in more than one way" and "endpoints should not read too much into error codes" go against the spirit of the specification,

Not really. Section 8 is pretty clear: Stream errors can be upgraded to connection errors and any error condition can be reported as H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR if the implementation chooses to do so.

> with its registry of error codes and big bold MUST pronouncements about which error code is to be used under which circumstances. It's inconsistent: what's the point of all the error codes, then, if we allow an implementation just to pick one of the error codes (as in this example)? This is not a rhetorical question.

the MUST applies to how to treat the event of a protocol violation - must close the connection. Error codes are a nice feature on the top - users of HTTP/3 should be entirely prepared for them to be used wrongly.

In this specific case, it sounds like you're asking for something like a blanket requirement for every frame that cannot be sent on the control stream to say something like

> If a <non-control-stream> frame is received on a control stream, the recipient MUST respond with a connection error. The type of error depends on the state of the control stream. If the receiver has not processed a SETTINGS frame, the error code MUST be H3_MISSING_SETTINGS. If the receiver has process a SETTINGS frame, the error code MUST be H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.

As @MikeBishop points out, this can be viewed as a design change for implementations that don't follow the guidance exactly like that. I think its too late to revisit this because there is no interoperability or security issues associated with the current design.

> From the application perspective, how is a spec-verification tool, such as h3spec, to deal with this ambiguity?

Since such tools have to accommodate any error condition being a connection error, and any error type being a  H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR, my advise is that they validate error test cases as so:

1. Did stream or connection error occur?
2. Did error type contain one of the set of error codes (H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR, more-specfic error code, ...)

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<p>Responses along the lines of "a behavior may be wrong in more than one way" and "endpoints should not read too much into error codes" go against the spirit of the specification,</p>
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<p>Not really. Section 8 is pretty clear: Stream errors can be upgraded to connection errors and any error condition can be reported as H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR if the implementation chooses to do so.</p>
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<p>with its registry of error codes and big bold MUST pronouncements about which error code is to be used under which circumstances. It's inconsistent: what's the point of all the error codes, then, if we allow an implementation just to pick one of the error codes (as in this example)? This is not a rhetorical question.</p>
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<p>the MUST applies to how to treat the event of a protocol violation - must close the connection. Error codes are a nice feature on the top - users of HTTP/3 should be entirely prepared for them to be used wrongly.</p>
<p>In this specific case, it sounds like you're asking for something like a blanket requirement for every frame that cannot be sent on the control stream to say something like</p>
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<p>If a  frame is received on a control stream, the recipient MUST respond with a connection error. The type of error depends on the state of the control stream. If the receiver has not processed a SETTINGS frame, the error code MUST be H3_MISSING_SETTINGS. If the receiver has process a SETTINGS frame, the error code MUST be H3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED.</p>
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<p>As <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/MikeBishop/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/MikeBishop">@MikeBishop</a> points out, this can be viewed as a design change for implementations that don't follow the guidance exactly like that. I think its too late to revisit this because there is no interoperability or security issues associated with the current design.</p>
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<p>From the application perspective, how is a spec-verification tool, such as h3spec, to deal with this ambiguity?</p>
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<p>Since such tools have to accommodate any error condition being a connection error, and any error type being a  H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR, my advise is that they validate error test cases as so:</p>
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<li>Did error type contain one of the set of error codes (H3_GENERAL_PROTOCOL_ERROR, more-specfic error code, ...)</li>
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Yeah, this is easy to understand.  The tables must have been annoying.

> @@ -7688,7 +7688,7 @@ packets, or 0xe69e), 16 bits are required.
 
 In the same state, sending a packet with a number of 0xace8fe uses the 24-bit
 encoding, because at least 18 bits are required to represent twice the range
-(131,182 packets, or 0x2006e).
+(131,182 packets, or 0x02006e).

This is the only one I might skip here.  The others are distinctly and obviously references to codepoints, where consistency of presentation is worthwhile.  This is just a number in an example.

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<p>Yeah, this is easy to understand.  The tables must have been annoying.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4844#discussion_r597308633">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -7688,7 +7688,7 @@ packets, or 0xe69e), 16 bits are required.
 
 In the same state, sending a packet with a number of 0xace8fe uses the 24-bit
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The first clause in this general guidance (in transport, but it should apply to h3 well enough) would seem to make this question moot:

>  In particular, an endpoint MAY use any applicable error code when it detects an error condition; a generic error code (such as PROTOCOL_VIOLATION or INTERNAL_ERROR) can always be used in place of specific error codes.

Indeed, this exact kind of situation is what motivated the inclusion of this text.  These debates are commonplace and waste a lot of time and they also place unnatural constraints on implementations.  What an implementation does here might determine which code is reported and that is OK.  Both codes are applicable.  Reporting either achieves the ultimate goal, which is identifying a bug.  Forcing a choice only leads to wasteful discussions like this one.

The answer is that `h3spec` should accept either error code as valid in this case.  In addition to any generally applicable codes.

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<p>The first clause in this general guidance (in transport, but it should apply to h3 well enough) would seem to make this question moot:</p>
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<p>In particular, an endpoint MAY use any applicable error code when it detects an error condition; a generic error code (such as PROTOCOL_VIOLATION or INTERNAL_ERROR) can always be used in place of specific error codes.</p>
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<p>Indeed, this exact kind of situation is what motivated the inclusion of this text.  These debates are commonplace and waste a lot of time and they also place unnatural constraints on implementations.  What an implementation does here might determine which code is reported and that is OK.  Both codes are applicable.  Reporting either achieves the ultimate goal, which is identifying a bug.  Forcing a choice only leads to wasteful discussions like this one.</p>
<p>The answer is that <code>h3spec</code> should accept either error code as valid in this case.  In addition to any generally applicable codes.</p>

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Talking about `h3spec`. It is possible to change the test case for Sec 6.2.1 to also accept 3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED. But I changed it to use MAX_PUSH_ID instead of DATA:

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<p>Talking about <code>h3spec</code>. It is possible to change the test case for Sec 6.2.1 to also accept 3_FRAME_UNEXPECTED. But I changed it to use MAX_PUSH_ID instead of DATA:</p>
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If the server's first flight is interrupted by anti-amplification, the client's second flight may consist only of ACKs in the Initial and Handshake spaces. At this point, Initial state is discarded on the client, and no ack-eliciting data has been sent in the Handshake space. `GetPtoTimeAndSpace` dictates that the PTO be set to `time_of_last_ack_eliciting_packet[space] + duration`, but `time_of_last_ack_eliciting_packet` still has its initial value of 0. The desired behavior here is to schedule an anti-amplification deadlock prevention probe in the future, so the logic used when there are no in-flight packets should probably apply here as well. This could be accomplished by special-casing the behavior when `time_of_last_ack_eliciting_packet[space] == 0` to use `now()` instead, or perhaps by adjusting the global `if (no in-flight packets):` test to `if (no ack-eliciting packets):` if that wouldn't have other undesired effects.

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<p>If the server's first flight is interrupted by anti-amplification, the=
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hake spaces. At this point, Initial state is discarded on the client, and=
 no ack-eliciting data has been sent in the Handshake space. <code>GetPto=
TimeAndSpace</code> dictates that the PTO be set to <code>time_of_last_ac=
k_eliciting_packet[space] + duration</code>, but <code>time_of_last_ack_e=
liciting_packet</code> still has its initial value of 0. The desired beha=
vior here is to schedule an anti-amplification deadlock prevention probe =
in the future, so the logic used when there are no in-flight packets shou=
ld probably apply here as well. This could be accomplished by special-cas=
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 RFC 3390 states (and RFC 5681 has similar text):

      If the SYN or SYN/ACK is lost, the initial window used by a sender
      after a correctly transmitted SYN MUST be one segment consisting
      of MSS bytes.

For safety reasons we should add similar text to reduce cwnd to the minimum congestion window when loss is observed/confirmed during the handshake. 

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<p>RFC 3390 states (and RFC 5681 has similar text):</p>
<pre><code>  If the SYN or SYN/ACK is lost, the initial window used by a sender
  after a correctly transmitted SYN MUST be one segment consisting
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<p>For safety reasons we should add similar text to reduce cwnd to the minimum congestion window when loss is observed/confirmed during the handshake.</p>

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@ianswett @janaiyengar I just spotted this deviation when reviewing a TCP issue.

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Similarly, `OnLossDetectionTimeout` also uses `bytes_in_flight > 0` to judge whether a PTO is a real loss probe or an anti-deadlock packet, but this is incorrect in the case illustrated above.

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<p>Similarly, <code>OnLossDetectionTimeout</code> also uses <code>bytes_in_flight &gt; 0</code> to judge whether a PTO is a real loss probe or an anti-deadlock packet, but this is incorrect in the case illustrated above.</p>

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Is that a fair comparison? SYN - SYN/ACK is the exchange of just two packets. A QUIC handshake will involve significantly more packets: at least 3 (ClientHello, ServerHello + Cert + SFIN, CFIN), in practice probably 4-5, depending on the size of the certificate. And even more when TLS client authentication is used.

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<p>Is that a fair comparison? SYN - SYN/ACK is the exchange of just two packets. A QUIC handshake will involve significantly more packets: at least 3 (ClientHello, ServerHello + Cert + SFIN, CFIN), in practice probably 4-5, depending on the size of the certificate. And even more when TLS client authentication is used.</p>

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I don't think we should change this, particularly at this point.

As Marten said, there are typically multiple packets in a QUIC handshake exchange, so it's not clear to me what the best analogue would be?  Also, Initial and Handshake keys can be discarded prior to ever processing an ACK, so there are cases one might not know whether the Initial or Handshake packets area lost.

Also, I expect TCP SYN and SYN/ACKs are treated specially in many networks, so the odds of losing them is extra low in practice.

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<p>I don't think we should change this, particularly at this point.</p>
<p>As Marten said, there are typically multiple packets in a QUIC handshake exchange, so it's not clear to me what the best analogue would be?  Also, Initial and Handshake keys can be discarded prior to ever processing an ACK, so there are cases one might not know whether the Initial or Handshake packets area lost.</p>
<p>Also, I expect TCP SYN and SYN/ACKs are treated specially in many networks, so the odds of losing them is extra low in practice.</p>

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If I'm understanding correctly, the key issue is that the pseudocode is not robust to cases when Handshake packets are padded, which allows bytes_in_flight to be > 0, but no ack-eliciting packets are in-flight AND the server may still be blocked by the amplification limit?

I'll have to think about this more, but if you want to propose a PR, that would be helpful.

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<p>If I'm understanding correctly, the key issue is that the pseudocode is not robust to cases when Handshake packets are padded, which allows bytes_in_flight to be &gt; 0, but no ack-eliciting packets are in-flight AND the server may still be blocked by the amplification limit?</p>
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If a client&#39;s first Handshake ACK is padded (e.g. due to being
coalesced with an Initial packet) and the server&#39;s first flight is
incomplete due to anti-amplification limits, an anti-deadlock probe
may be necessary even though bytes_in_flight is nonzero.

Fixes #4846 .
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  * Use ACK-eliciting packets in flight to identify anti-deadlock probes

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (6)

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<p>If a client's first Handshake ACK is padded (e.g. due to being<br>
coalesced with an Initial packet) and the server's first flight is<br>
incomplete due to anti-amplification limits, an anti-deadlock probe<br>
may be necessary even though bytes_in_flight is nonzero.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4846.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="836304725" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4846" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4846/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4846">#4846</a> .</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Use ACK-eliciting packets in flight to identify anti-deadlock probes</li>
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    <strong>M</strong>
    <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848/files#diff-8db507a75415c056be0ab17481d3ebcef3b14eb7b155088f5e3fac48fd87c5cb">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>
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Yeah, exactly. PR drafted based on the fix we've applied in Quinn.

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<p>Yeah, exactly. PR drafted based on the fix we've applied in Quinn.</p>

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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

This looks reasonable to me.  It's just a pseudocode fix, so the harm is limited.

> @@ -1557,7 +1557,7 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
     SetLossDetectionTimer()
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-  if (bytes_in_flight > 0):
+  if (any ack-eliciting packets in flight):

I wonder if it is worth inverting this check here, so that the condition matches the above one.  It's a negative, but the any/no disparity is odd.  The other call site in SetLossDetectionTimer uses "no ack-eliciting packets in flight" as well.

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<p><b>@martinthomson</b> approved this pull request.</p>

<p>This looks reasonable to me.  It's just a pseudocode fix, so the harm is limited.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598357481">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1557,7 +1557,7 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
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-  if (bytes_in_flight &gt; 0):
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<p>I wonder if it is worth inverting this check here, so that the condition matches the above one.  It's a negative, but the any/no disparity is odd.  The other call site in SetLossDetectionTimer uses "no ack-eliciting packets in flight" as well.</p>

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Let's decouple when to change anything (and if at all) from the issue discussion and its resolution. 

No congestion reaction to loss seems incorrect to me particularly if multiple packets are involved (which increases the probability). From point of view of network the loss of  handshake packets should still be subject to a cc reaction otherwise under extreme congestion you could have collapse just due to new handshakes.

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<p>No congestion reaction to loss seems incorrect to me particularly if multiple packets are involved (which increases the probability). From point of view of network the loss of  handshake packets should still be subject to a cc reaction otherwise under extreme congestion you could have collapse just due to new handshakes.</p>

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Loss does result in a reaction.  My understanding is that lost packets are reported as lost, the congestion window is reduced, and a recovery period started, just like everywhere else.

The TCP behaviour is analogous to detecting persistent congestion, which I suppose is the defense QUIC provides.  That is consistent and seems reasonable enough to me.

If that is acceptable, we could add a note explaining the difference from TCP.  That is, QUIC does not treat loss of the first packets specially like TCP does, relying instead on the same loss detection and persistent congestion mechanisms that apply to all other packets; the only difference in handling is the retention of PTO during the handshake, which exists to address deadlocks caused by anti-amplification protections.

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<p>Loss does result in a reaction.  My understanding is that lost packets are reported as lost, the congestion window is reduced, and a recovery period started, just like everywhere else.</p>
<p>The TCP behaviour is analogous to detecting persistent congestion, which I suppose is the defense QUIC provides.  That is consistent and seems reasonable enough to me.</p>
<p>If that is acceptable, we could add a note explaining the difference from TCP.  That is, QUIC does not treat loss of the first packets specially like TCP does, relying instead on the same loss detection and persistent congestion mechanisms that apply to all other packets; the only difference in handling is the retention of PTO during the handshake, which exists to address deadlocks caused by anti-amplification protections.</p>

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> @@ -1557,7 +1557,7 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
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-  if (bytes_in_flight > 0):
+  if (any ack-eliciting packets in flight):

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598377095">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1557,7 +1557,7 @@ OnLossDetectionTimeout():
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Yes, as @martinthomson stated, detected losses trigger a reduction in the congestion window.  Additionally, PTO has exponential backoff, even though the CWND does not collapse immediately.

Adding a note about the differences from TCP seems sensible to me.

Additionally, TCP collapses the congestion window and declares packets lost because that's how its mechanism to send a single (ie: RTO) packet works.  QUIC can send a single packet without declaring packets lost or collapsing the congestion window.

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<p>Yes, as <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> stated, detected losses trigger a reduction in the congestion window.  Additionally, PTO has exponential backoff, even though the CWND does not collapse immediately.</p>
<p>Adding a note about the differences from TCP seems sensible to me.</p>
<p>Additionally, TCP collapses the congestion window and declares packets lost because that's how its mechanism to send a single (ie: RTO) packet works.  QUIC can send a single packet without declaring packets lost or collapsing the congestion window.</p>

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I think line 1493 should be "ack-eliciting" instead of "in-flight" as well?

> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):

Ack-eliciting packets are defined, so I'd use that.

```suggestion
  if (no ack-eliciting packets):
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> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
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       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):

I prefer this as-is, as it's explicit that we're talking about ACK-eliciting packets that have been transmitted but neither acknowledged nor declared lost. The exact wording is also already used elsewhere, e.g. line 1529.

I appreciate that "in flight" is being a bit overloaded here, so switching all three cases over to a different wording might be nice, but it's not immediately obvious to me what that might be.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598387931">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
</pre>
<p>I prefer this as-is, as it's explicit that we're talking about ACK-eliciting packets that have been transmitted but neither acknowledged nor declared lost. The exact wording is also already used elsewhere, e.g. line 1529.</p>
<p>I appreciate that "in flight" is being a bit overloaded here, so switching all three cases over to a different wording might be nice, but it's not immediately obvious to me what that might be.</p>

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> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):

If you want something positive the condition is "all ack-eliciting packets sent by this endpoint have either been acknowledged or marked lost".  So maybe "all ack-eliciting packets accounted for".

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598402978">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
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<p>If you want something positive the condition is "all ack-eliciting packets sent by this endpoint have either been acknowledged or marked lost".  So maybe "all ack-eliciting packets accounted for".</p>

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> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
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       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
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"accounted for" seems less precise/precedented than "in flight" to me, at least.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598985342">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
</pre>
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[ =C2=A74.6](https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-quic-transport-34#sec=
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> Once a receiver advertises a stream limit using the MAX_STREAMS=0D
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This would be in line with the similar requirements for MAX_STREAM_DATA a=
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> Once a receiver advertises a limit for the connection or a stream, it=0D=

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> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):

Thanks for clarifying why you wanted to state "in flight" as well as ack-eliciting.  I think the extra clarity is good.  However, now the comment doesn't quite match up.

I agree the "accounted for" is less precise than "in flight" in this case.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598991471">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
</pre>
<p>Thanks for clarifying why you wanted to state "in flight" as well as ack-eliciting.  I think the extra clarity is good.  However, now the comment doesn't quite match up.</p>
<p>I agree the "accounted for" is less precise than "in flight" in this case.</p>

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> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):

Tweaked the comment to match.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r598995168">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
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I believe the sentence was intended to read:
"A receiver(of the frame) MUST ignore any MAX_STREAMS frame that does not increase the stream limit."

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<p>I believe the sentence was intended to read:<br>
"A receiver(of the frame) MUST ignore any MAX_STREAMS frame that does not increase the stream limit."</p>

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6942fde73ce2621412dcada96461f7539f4c8a87  Adjust packet space scan to match


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> I think line 1493 should be "ack-eliciting" instead of "in-flight" as well?

Whoops, missed that comment somehow. I think that makes sense; added.

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks for the extra update.

Now that I read this pseudocode, I believe there's a potential deadlock if the CWND is consumed by in flight packets that are not ack-eliciting(ie: PADDING only).

If I read correctly, the PTO will not be set.  In the past, we've said to be careful with padding-only packets for this reason, but if one had a very small CWND, it wouldn't be that difficult to get into this situation by losing a few packets at the wrong time.



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<p>Thanks for the extra update.</p>
<p>Now that I read this pseudocode, I believe there's a potential deadlock if the CWND is consumed by in flight packets that are not ack-eliciting(ie: PADDING only).</p>
<p>If I read correctly, the PTO will not be set.  In the past, we've said to be careful with padding-only packets for this reason, but if one had a very small CWND, it wouldn't be that difficult to get into this situation by losing a few packets at the wrong time.</p>

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I'm not seeing it. I don't see an anti-amplification deadlock, because in the case you describe, no ACK-eliciting packets are in flight, so the anti-deadlock PTO is set. Once `PeerCompletedAddressValidation()` is true, then I don't see why the PTO *should* be set because there's nothing to be judged lost, and no deadlock because the server can transmit freely.

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<p>I'm not seeing it. I don't see an anti-amplification deadlock, because in the case you describe, no ACK-eliciting packets are in flight, so the anti-deadlock PTO is set. Once <code>PeerCompletedAddressValidation()</code> is true, then I don't see why the PTO <em>should</em> be set because there's nothing to be judged lost, and no deadlock because the server can transmit freely.</p>

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Marking as `bis` since it seems folks are happy to consider this in some future revision of the drafts.

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<p>Marking as <code>bis</code> since it seems folks are happy to consider this in some future revision of the drafts.</p>

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> @@ -426,7 +426,8 @@ rttvar = kInitialRtt / 2
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> @@ -664,8 +664,14 @@ data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
 as specified in {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no additional data can be
 sent, the server's PTO timer MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been
 received from the client, because packets sent on PTO count against the
-anti-amplification limit. Note that the server could fail to validate the
-client's address even if 0-RTT is accepted.
+anti-amplification limit.
+
+When the server receives a datagram from the client, the amplification limit is
+increased and the server resets the PTO timer.  If the PTO timer is then set to
+a time in the past, it is executed immediately. Doing so avoids sending new
+1-RTT packets prior to packets critical to the completion of the handshake.
+This could be common when 0-RTT is accepted, but the server fails to validate

```suggestion
This can happen when 0-RTT is accepted but the server fails to validate
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  Date:   2021-03-12 (Fri, 12 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams

Closes #4834.


  Commit: 3ebf76e5d0e1d459ac7cd266342798ae227a37b1
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  At handshake completion

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  Commit: 34493dad3bc137d36b6c17006e398d7412b54664
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4835 from quicwg/update-max-data-0rtt

Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
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  Changed paths:
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  Change packet number encoding example

For a reason I didn't bother to investigate this was wrong.

@MikeBishop, please double check.  Anyone else who wants to double
check, the extra effort would be appreciated.


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  Merge pull request #4840 from quicwg/base-pn-example

Change packet number encoding example


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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 404168b2d5cf6b6d31a882a6966978cf9c031e8f
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/404168b2d5cf6b6d31a882a6966978cf9c031e8f
  Author: Mike Bishop <mbishop@evequefou.be>
  Date:   2021-03-18 (Thu, 18 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-http.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-tls.md
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

  Log Message:
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  Application-Layer, not Application Layer


  Commit: 847ce41b7be290834b062d2d789222d739e6427b
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-03-24 (Wed, 24 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4843 from quicwg/hyphenate-alpn

Application-Layer, not Application Layer


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/d8688ab46145...847ce41b7be2


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Merged #4843 into master.

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  Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams

Closes #4834.


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  At handshake completion

Co-authored-by: Kazuho Oku <kazuhooku@gmail.com>


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  Change packet number encoding example

For a reason I didn't bother to investigate this was wrong.

@MikeBishop, please double check.  Anyone else who wants to double
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  Application-Layer, not Application Layer


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  Merge pull request #4835 from quicwg/update-max-data-0rtt

Updated flow control limits apply to 0-RTT streams


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  Merge pull request #4840 from quicwg/base-pn-example

Change packet number encoding example


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  Merge pull request #4843 from quicwg/hyphenate-alpn

Application-Layer, not Application Layer


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> @@ -664,8 +664,14 @@ data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
 as specified in {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no additional data can be
 sent, the server's PTO timer MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been
 received from the client, because packets sent on PTO count against the
-anti-amplification limit. Note that the server could fail to validate the
-client's address even if 0-RTT is accepted.
+anti-amplification limit.
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+When the server receives a datagram from the client, the amplification limit is
+increased and the server resets the PTO timer.  If the PTO timer is then set to
+a time in the past, it is executed immediately. Doing so avoids sending new
+1-RTT packets prior to packets critical to the completion of the handshake.
+This could be common when 0-RTT is accepted, but the server fails to validate

It can happen without 0-RTT, it's just a lot more likely with 0-RTT.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4831#discussion_r600006158">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -664,8 +664,14 @@ data it can send is limited to three times the amount of data received,
 as specified in {{Section 8.1 of QUIC-TRANSPORT}}. If no additional data can be
 sent, the server&#39;s PTO timer MUST NOT be armed until datagrams have been
 received from the client, because packets sent on PTO count against the
-anti-amplification limit. Note that the server could fail to validate the
-client&#39;s address even if 0-RTT is accepted.
+anti-amplification limit.
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+When the server receives a datagram from the client, the amplification limit is
+increased and the server resets the PTO timer.  If the PTO timer is then set to
+a time in the past, it is executed immediately. Doing so avoids sending new
+1-RTT packets prior to packets critical to the completion of the handshake.
+This could be common when 0-RTT is accepted, but the server fails to validate
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  Reference "Loss Detection and Congestion Control"

>From the transport draft's connection migration section.

Fixes #4786


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6d8c67effbd7ab5a0155b9610616a8ba92da3ccf
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2021-03-23 (Tue, 23 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4787 from quicwg/ianswett-reference-migration

Reference "Loss Detection and Congestion Control"


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> +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.

```suggestion
  // Arm PTO when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in flight.
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@MikeBishop, did #4844 fix this or do we need to inform IANA also?

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> +This could be common when 0-RTT is accepted, but the server fails to validate
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```suggestion
In particular, this can happen when 0-RTT is accepted but the server fails to
validate the client's address.
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We should probably shoot IANA an e-mail to update the registries with leading zeroes where they hadn't already assumed them.

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: 56e4f68ff667b215c3c913747f129813728d9a24
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  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2021-02-23 (Tue, 23 Feb 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Execute the PTO alarm immediately if in the past

Fixes #4830


  Commit: 54a3d93d983d4c55ca2cf1a52c63e92521c0f9d9
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  Date:   2021-02-24 (Wed, 24 Feb 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  1-RTT, not ApplicationData


  Commit: 042a58b716d68b69e0f462cb7fa92be9fe8fedc4
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/042a58b716d68b69e0f462cb7fa92be9fe8fedc4
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  Date:   2021-02-24 (Wed, 24 Feb 2021)

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  Update the pseudocode


  Commit: 6bde79401d0982175dc98eef55ab77219caf544a
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  Some of MT's suggestions


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md


  Commit: 78e6a89d0dc165c602f99b9f150cb968e23f1683
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  Update draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

Co-authored-by: Jana Iyengar <jri.ietf@gmail.com>


  Commit: ce07452bfef163d8631347ef4760758a52c51d9c
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  Merge pull request #4831 from quicwg/ianswett-unarmed-pto

Execute the PTO alarm immediately if in the past


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/1f43a68b5a0a...ce07452bfef1


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> +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.

I like dropping a line, but I think the existing text is slightly clearer, since this is the only time we set PTO from now().

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r600011950">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
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Rather than saying who ignores MAX_STREAMS, we can just that it is ignored.

Closes #4849.
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<p>Rather than saying who ignores MAX_STREAMS, we can just that it is ignored.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4849.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="838013633" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4849" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4849/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4849">#4849</a>.</p>

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95208252bb3a820ecf45a49082e216d69999c546  Fix old typo


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I'll let you do that.  The only registries that are affected are in HTTP/3 and QPACK.

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<p>I'll let you do that.  The only registries that are affected are in HTTP/3 and QPACK.</p>

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> +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.

Sure, how about this then...

> // Arm PTO if no ACK-eliciting packets are in flight.


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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r600033364">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.
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<p>Sure, how about this then...</p>
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> +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.

(Whoops, github didn't display your response at first...)

I actually found the original wording difficult to parse as a well-formed sentence. "From now when" is weird. We could rephrase it as "based on the current time" or something but that's getting wordy, and I don't feel like it's really adding anything over the psuedocode.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r600033703">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.
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<p>I actually found the original wording difficult to parse as a well-formed sentence. "From now when" is weird. We could rephrase it as "based on the current time" or something but that's getting wordy, and I don't feel like it's really adding anything over the psuedocode.</p>

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> @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):

This method doesn't actually arm the PTO, and the whole method is about PTO, so maybe it'd be best to remove the comment?

Alternatively, you could change it to:
"Base the PTO from now when no ACK eliciting packets are in flight to avoid it being set too early."

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r600077590">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -1480,8 +1480,8 @@ GetLossTimeAndSpace():
 GetPtoTimeAndSpace():
   duration = (smoothed_rtt + max(4 * rttvar, kGranularity))
       * (2 ^ pto_count)
-  // Arm PTO from now when there are no inflight packets.
-  if (no in-flight packets):
+  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets.
+  if (no ack-eliciting packets in flight):
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<p>This method doesn't actually arm the PTO, and the whole method is about PTO, so maybe it'd be best to remove the comment?</p>
<p>Alternatively, you could change it to:<br>
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@martinthomson approved this pull request.

`s/0x([0-9a-fA-f](?:[0-9a-fA-f]{2})*)/0x0$1/` right?

In any case, this is good.  And I have confirmed that the transport registries already include the padding for all the values.



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<p><code>s/0x([0-9a-fA-f](?:[0-9a-fA-f]{2})*)/0x0$1/</code> right?</p>
<p>In any case, this is good.  And I have confirmed that the transport registries already include the padding for all the values.</p>

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Tommy points out that we accidentally cited the sending parts, but these
are receive states.

Closes #4832.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4852

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  * Cite receive stream section for receipt of MAX_*

-- File Changes --

    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (4)

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<p>Tommy points out that we accidentally cited the sending parts, but these<br>
are receive states.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4832.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="825058780" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4832" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4832/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4832">#4832</a>.</p>

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  <li>Cite receive stream section for receipt of MAX_*</li>
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Close....  `(?<=0x)([\da-f]([\da-f]{2})*)(?![\da-f])` became `0$1`.  Including the `0x` in each would have worked, too, but failing to exclude a hex digit following would change every hex instance by matching everything up to the final character.

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  Log Message:
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  Handshake packets aren't special

Fixes #4847



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Fixes #4847
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-- Commit Summary --

  * Handshake packets aren&#39;t special

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    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md (7)

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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4847.">Fixes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="836425388" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4847" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4847/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4847">#4847</a></p>

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  <li>Handshake packets aren&#39;t special</li>
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> @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
+
+TCP reduces the congestion window to one packet when the SYN or SYN/ACK
+are lost ({{?RFC5682}}).  QUIC treats loss of a packet containing handshake

Typo: RFC5681. 5682 is F-RTO.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r602527619">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
+
+TCP reduces the congestion window to one packet when the SYN or SYN/ACK
+are lost ({{?RFC5682}}).  QUIC treats loss of a packet containing handshake
</pre>
<p>Typo: RFC5681. 5682 is F-RTO.</p>

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> @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
+
+TCP reduces the congestion window to one packet when the SYN or SYN/ACK
+are lost ({{?RFC5682}}).  QUIC treats loss of a packet containing handshake
+data the same as other losses and reduces the congestion window.  When the
+PTO timer expires during the handshake, one or two packets are sent and
+the timer is doubled.

Another suggestion for the first sentence:
TCP treats the loss of SYN or SYN-ACK packet as persistent congestion and reduces the congestion window to one packet.  

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r602529520">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
+
+TCP reduces the congestion window to one packet when the SYN or SYN/ACK
+are lost ({{?RFC5682}}).  QUIC treats loss of a packet containing handshake
+data the same as other losses and reduces the congestion window.  When the
+PTO timer expires during the handshake, one or two packets are sent and
+the timer is doubled.
</pre>
<p>Another suggestion for the first sentence:<br>
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I think this is a fine change. Thanks, @Ralith !



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<p>I think this is a fine change. Thanks, <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/Ralith/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/Ralith">@Ralith</a> !</p>

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> +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.

Made another pass at the wording here.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4848#discussion_r602648311">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +  // Arm PTO from now when there are no ACK-eliciting packets in
+  // flight.
</pre>
<p>Made another pass at the wording here.</p>

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> @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
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+TCP reduces the congestion window to one packet when the SYN or SYN/ACK
+are lost ({{?RFC5682}}).  QUIC treats loss of a packet containing handshake

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

Thanks Praveen, suggestion taken.

> @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
+
+TCP reduces the congestion window to one packet when the SYN or SYN/ACK
+are lost ({{?RFC5682}}).  QUIC treats loss of a packet containing handshake

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<p>Thanks Praveen, suggestion taken.</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r602776667">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; @@ -268,6 +268,13 @@ packets. While this increases network load, it is considered safe, since the
 sender will still reduce its sending rate exponentially under persistent
 congestion ({{pto}}).
 
+## Handshake packets are not special
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> +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.

I don't think that you need this last sentence. 

> +reduces the congestion window to one packet ({{?RFC5681}}). QUIC treats
+loss of a packet containing handshake data the same as other losses and
+reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the

This second sentence could be shortened.

```suggestion
reduces the congestion window to one packet ({{?RFC5681}}). QUIC treats
loss of a packet containing handshake data the same as other losses.
```

After all, you don't mention the recovery period or the potential persistent congestion piece here, but both apply.

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Caution: this is starting to get to the point that tracking these in AUTH48 will be more difficult.  This is fine, but it is also unnecessary.



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@martinthomson originally posted in https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/298#r600964526 a comment highlighting that although HTTP/3 uses a single error code space for connection and stream errors, there is no requirement for other application protocol mappings to do the same.

I found the text in https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19 to give me the wrong assumptions. 

>  A CONNECTION_CLOSE frame of type 0x1d uses codes from the application protocol error code space

This is the only mention of an error code space in the text that will make it into RFC. So I suggest in the offending paragraph we delete the 2 occurrences of "space" and just state that the frame contains a value, either defined in transport [ref] or application [ref]

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<p><a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> originally posted in <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="839373218" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/issues/298" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/298/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/ops-drafts/pull/298#r600964526">quicwg/ops-drafts#298 (comment)</a> a comment highlighting that although HTTP/3 uses a single error code space for connection and stream errors, there is no requirement for other application protocol mappings to do the same.</p>
<p>I found the text in <a href="https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19" rel="nofollow">https://quicwg.org/base-drafts/draft-ietf-quic-transport.html#section-19.19</a> to give me the wrong assumptions.</p>
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<p>This is the only mention of an error code space in the text that will make it into RFC. So I suggest in the offending paragraph we delete the 2 occurrences of "space" and just state that the frame contains a value, either defined in transport [ref] or application [ref]</p>

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We currently reserve a subset of the error code space for GREASE purposes, at least in HTTP/3.  However, we give no guidance on how to use this.  One possible interpretation is that peers should randomly replace their real error codes with a GREASE codepoint; however, some of the error codes we use do have special meaning (e.g. H3_REQUEST_REJECTED would normally result in the browser retrying the request) that would be lost, so that does not seem like an appropriate approach.

I think we should provide an explicit guidance to implementations or un-reserve those codepoints.

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<p>We currently reserve a subset of the error code space for GREASE purposes, at least in HTTP/3.  However, we give no guidance on how to use this.  One possible interpretation is that peers should randomly replace their real error codes with a GREASE codepoint; however, some of the error codes we use do have special meaning (e.g. H3_REQUEST_REJECTED would normally result in the browser retrying the request) that would be lost, so that does not seem like an appropriate approach.</p>
<p>I think we should provide an explicit guidance to implementations or un-reserve those codepoints.</p>

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Endpoints should use the most appropriate error code, or a general purpose one. Grease error codes can be used to close grease streams, the spec states that somewhere.

I see your point but an implementation that chooses to ignore the specification guidance on the specific error code to use can to cause issues no matter what we statebin the spec.

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<p>Endpoints should use the most appropriate error code, or a general purpose one. Grease error codes can be used to close grease streams, the spec states that somewhere.</p>
<p>I see your point but an implementation that chooses to ignore the specification guidance on the specific error code to use can to cause issues no matter what we statebin the spec.</p>

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Okay, I think I did not read the spec carefully enough, it clearly says this only applies to `H3_NO_ERROR`.

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<p>Okay, I think I did not read the spec carefully enough, it clearly says this only applies to <code>H3_NO_ERROR</code>.</p>

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@ianswett commented on this pull request.

I'm a bit hesitant to take your suggestions @martinthomson because I'm worried it won't be quite complete enough, but maybe @janaiyengar could take a look as well?

> +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.

The intent is to clarify that QUIC has exponential backoff during the handshake, but possibly it's not clear or necessary?

> +reduces the congestion window to one packet ({{?RFC5681}}). QUIC treats
+loss of a packet containing handshake data the same as other losses and
+reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the

On the issue, the concern was about QUIC responding to loss during the handshake, so I thought the note about reducing CWND was relevant, but I agree that this is not the place to explain the full algorithms.

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<p><b>@ianswett</b> commented on this pull request.</p>

<p>I'm a bit hesitant to take your suggestions <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/martinthomson/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/martinthomson">@martinthomson</a> because I'm worried it won't be quite complete enough, but maybe <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/janaiyengar/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/janaiyengar">@janaiyengar</a> could take a look as well?</p><hr>

<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r604326195">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.
</pre>
<p>The intent is to clarify that QUIC has exponential backoff during the handshake, but possibly it's not clear or necessary?</p>

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r604328361">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +reduces the congestion window to one packet ({{?RFC5681}}). QUIC treats
+loss of a packet containing handshake data the same as other losses and
+reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
</pre>
<p>On the issue, the concern was about QUIC responding to loss during the handshake, so I thought the note about reducing CWND was relevant, but I agree that this is not the place to explain the full algorithms.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
  Commit: b63bc5ac3724249bcb61698239dfbc130c796ca2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/b63bc5ac3724249bcb61698239dfbc130c796ca2
  Author: Benjamin Saunders <ben.e.saunders@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-03-21 (Sun, 21 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Use ACK-eliciting packets in flight to identify anti-deadlock probes

If a client's first Handshake ACK is padded (e.g. due to being
coalesced with an Initial packet) and the server's first flight is
incomplete due to anti-amplification limits, an anti-deadlock probe
may be necessary even though bytes_in_flight is nonzero.


  Commit: 2bd9bb1d698ec16a0048b2a304a443533bd5442e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/2bd9bb1d698ec16a0048b2a304a443533bd5442e
  Author: Benjamin Saunders <ben.e.saunders@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-03-21 (Sun, 21 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md

  Log Message:
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  Flip condition around for consistency

This more closely matches the logic in GetPtoTimeAndSpace and
SetLossDetectionTimer.


  Commit: 33c19b13a9ea9578e1a23b06aac1178cd2cc7b06
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/33c19b13a9ea9578e1a23b06aac1178cd2cc7b06
  Author: Benjamin Saunders <ben.e.saunders@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-03-22 (Mon, 22 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Tweak comment


  Commit: 6942fde73ce2621412dcada96461f7539f4c8a87
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/6942fde73ce2621412dcada96461f7539f4c8a87
  Author: Benjamin Saunders <ben.e.saunders@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-03-22 (Mon, 22 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Adjust packet space scan to match


  Commit: 95208252bb3a820ecf45a49082e216d69999c546
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  Author: Benjamin Saunders <ben.e.saunders@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-03-23 (Tue, 23 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Fix old typo

Co-authored-by: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>


  Commit: 660d8d20dde6ca4f8ab45298a16cce64b1fb2f9e
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/660d8d20dde6ca4f8ab45298a16cce64b1fb2f9e
  Author: Benjamin Saunders <ben.e.saunders@gmail.com>
  Date:   2021-03-26 (Fri, 26 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Reword comment


  Commit: 18447f4ce1e6ead5b257035d29922dd3d005b0f2
      https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/18447f4ce1e6ead5b257035d29922dd3d005b0f2
  Author: ianswett <ianswett@users.noreply.github.com>
  Date:   2021-03-30 (Tue, 30 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4848 from Ralith/fix-lost-client-ack-weirdness

Use ACK-eliciting packets in flight to identify anti-deadlock probes


Compare: https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/compare/ce07452bfef1...18447f4ce1e6


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> +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.

I think it's not totally clear from this text that you're essentially summarizing the broad behavior of loss recovery and probing. So maybe, if you want to keep these sentences, you need something like an "i.e."

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r604371438">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.
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  Branch: refs/heads/master
  Home:   https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts
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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-03-24 (Wed, 24 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
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  Log Message:
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  Cite receive stream section for receipt of MAX_*

Tommy points out that we accidentally cited the sending parts, but these
are receive states.

Closes #4832.


  Commit: c6330a6e2e0221cfdb11edb2b56a3f5ce8d5a834
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  Date:   2021-03-31 (Wed, 31 Mar 2021)

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  Log Message:
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  Merge pull request #4852 from quicwg/stream-state-ref

Cite receive stream section for receipt of MAX_*


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> +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.

+1 to remove the last sentence... there are rules around PTO and handshake in 6.2.1 and 6.2.2, that should be enough I think. This would be repetitive, so if you think it bears repeating, then it's worth adding it, but I don't think we need it.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4853#discussion_r604465592">draft-ietf-quic-recovery.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +reduces the congestion window.  When the PTO timer expires during the
+handshake, one or two packets are sent and the timer is doubled.
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<p>+1 to remove the last sentence... there are rules around PTO and handshake in 6.2.1 and 6.2.2, that should be enough I think. This would be repetitive, so if you think it bears repeating, then it's worth adding it, but I don't think we need it.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/application-code
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  Changed paths:
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This avoids the implication of a single error code space. Even if one is
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Closes #4856.



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This avoids the implication of a single error code space. Even if one is
permissible, that is not necessary.

Closes #4856.
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  https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4858

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  * Applications define error codes

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (2)

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<p>This avoids the implication of a single error code space. Even if one is<br>
permissible, that is not necessary.</p>
<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4856.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="843946292" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4856" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4856/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4856">#4856</a>.</p>

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<h4>Commit Summary</h4>
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  <li>Applications define error codes</li>
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  Passive voice to the rescue

Closes #4849.


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  Merge pull request #4850 from quicwg/max_streams-wording

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> +an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments, which could prevent the
+connection from ever becoming idle.  Non-ack-eliciting packets are eventually

```suggestion
an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments.  Non-ack-eliciting packets are eventually
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I think that the connection between infinite loop and never being idle is clear enough without saying it.

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> +an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments, which could prevent the
+connection from ever becoming idle.  Non-ack-eliciting packets are eventually

Ok, that wasn't in the moved text, but it was in the original text at this location.  I can go either way.

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<p>In <a href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4855#discussion_r604470959">draft-ietf-quic-transport.md</a>:</p>
<pre style='color:#555'>&gt; +an infinite feedback loop of acknowledgments, which could prevent the
+connection from ever becoming idle.  Non-ack-eliciting packets are eventually
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<p>Ok, that wasn't in the moved text, but it was in the original text at this location.  I can go either way.</p>

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After having discussed this, I think that I'm opposed to this change.  @janaiyengar points out that the moved sentence more directly links to the paragraph preceding it.

There is a gap here.  We don't say here that you might deliberately include ack-eliciting frames in packets that are otherwise non-ack-eliciting so that you can get an acknowledgment.  The moved text here is about this case, saying that you can't do that every time.  It's missing that important context though.



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<p>After having discussed this, I think that I'm opposed to this change.  <a class="user-mention" data-hovercard-type="user" data-hovercard-url="/users/janaiyengar/hovercard" data-octo-click="hovercard-link-click" data-octo-dimensions="link_type:self" href="https://github.com/janaiyengar">@janaiyengar</a> points out that the moved sentence more directly links to the paragraph preceding it.</p>
<p>There is a gap here.  We don't say here that you might deliberately include ack-eliciting frames in packets that are otherwise non-ack-eliciting so that you can get an acknowledgment.  The moved text here is about this case, saying that you can't do that every time.  It's missing that important context though.</p>

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  Author: Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net>
  Date:   2021-03-31 (Wed, 31 Mar 2021)

  Changed paths:
    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md

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  Move text on infinite ACK loops

There is a little connective tissue added here to connect to the ACK
tracking thing.

Closes #4833.
Closes #4855.



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There is a little connective tissue added here to connect to the ACK
tracking thing.

Closes #4833.
Closes #4855.
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  * Move text on infinite ACK loops

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    M draft-ietf-quic-transport.md (25)

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<p>There is a little connective tissue added here to connect to the ACK<br>
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<p><span class="issue-keyword tooltipped tooltipped-se" aria-label="This pull request closes issue #4833.">Closes</span> <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="828205998" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4833" data-hovercard-type="issue" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4833/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4833">#4833</a>.<br>
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  Branch: refs/heads/gh-pages
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@janaiyengar approved this pull request.

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I prefer #4859 -- let's do that one instead.

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<p>I prefer <a class="issue-link js-issue-link" data-error-text="Failed to load title" data-id="845406395" data-permission-text="Title is private" data-url="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/issues/4859" data-hovercard-type="pull_request" data-hovercard-url="/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4859/hovercard" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/pull/4859">#4859</a> -- let's do that one instead.</p>

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  Branch: refs/heads/ack-ping
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Clarify meaning of 0 in the datagram transport parameter, based on the discussion at IETF 110. This follows one of the suggestions to have 0 mean no datagrams, and > 0 mean support for datagrams. This should be a non-breaking change with existing implementations.



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@ianswett approved this pull request.

LG, one possible suggestion to a sentence I've been confused by before.

> +when there are new ack-eliciting packets to acknowledge.  When only
+non-ack-eliciting packets need to be acknowledged, an endpoint MAY wait until an
+ack-eliciting packet has been received to include an ACK frame with outgoing
+frames.

This is pre-existing, but it always takes me a few tries understand the intent of this MAY, so here's a small suggestion which I believe clarifies it.

```suggestion
when there are new ack-eliciting packets to acknowledge.  When only
non-ack-eliciting packets need to be acknowledged, an endpoint MAY
choose to not send an ACK frame with outgoing frames until an
ack-eliciting packet has been received.
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  <li><a class="commit-link" href="https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/commit/9c6715fe041ed73b4dfb90af8c807363c9d68318">9c6715f</a>  a good suggestion</li>
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