From owner-rap@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 24 18:23:33 2005 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16752 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 18:23:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtDX4-000MZy-Cp for rap-data@psg.com; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:22:06 +0000 Received: from [192.11.226.161] (helo=hoemail1.lucent.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtDX1-000MZR-VS for rap@ops.ietf.org; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 23:22:04 +0000 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by hoemail1.lucent.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j0ONM1uv025816 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:22:02 -0600 (CST) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:22:00 +0100 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550639CEC6@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: "Hahn, Scott" , "Rap-wg (E-mail)" Cc: "Kulkarni, Amol" , "Walker, Jesse" Subject: AD review of: draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:21:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 Sender: owner-rap@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Here is my AD review. 1. References and citation issues !! Missing Reference for citation: [RFC2753] P003 L012: Server. See [RFC2753]. P003 L014: Client. See [RFC2753]. !! Missing citation for Informative reference: P010 L055: [RFC3207] Hoffman, P., "SMTP Service Extension for Secure SMTP !! Missing citation for Normative reference: P010 L031: [RFC2026] Bradner, S., "The Internet Standards Process - Revision !! Missing Reference for citation: [RFC3667] P001 L015: of section 3 of RFC 3667 [RFC3667]. By submitting this Internet- For the last one, you should not have a citation on the front page. so citation can just be removed. 2. I wonder about sect 4.1 and the IANA COnsiderations. Does sect 4.1 not describe another C-NUM C-Type combinations (namely C-NUM-16 and C-Type =2) that should be added to the registry at http://www.iana.org/assignments/cops-parameters where it now shows c-num c-type Description Reference ------ ------ ------------------------- --------- 0x01 0x01 Handle [RFC2748] .... snip ... 0x10 0x01 Message Integrity [RFC2748] It seems to we need to ask to add 0x10 0x02 Message Integrity, Integrity-TLS [RFCxxxx] 3. Sect 4.2 For error code 13 I see that RFC2748 explains the content of the sub-code. Unfortunately such is not recorded in the http://www.iana.org/assignments/cops-parameters For error code 15, you seem to be newly defining what goes in the sub-code. Is that something that needs to be registered? I am not sure myself. Can't say that rfc2748 is very clear on that. The last para of IANA COnsiderations in RFC2748 seems to say we must do so? 4. Sect 5.1 It is not clear to me if the Client-Accept in RFC2748 sect 3.7 is obsoleted, or if this doc just adds another form of the Client-Accept message. I think it is the latter, but would like to see it explicitly spelled out. If it is indeed an additional form, then the abstract is not explicit at that either. I am requesting an IETF Last Call now. So pls do not submit a new revision yet. Let me know your reaction to the above asap. Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Hahn, Scott [mailto:scott.hahn@intel.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 19:09 > To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org > Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Kulkarni, Amol; Walker, Jesse > Subject: Publication of draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt > > > I would like to request the publication as Proposed Standard of the > following draft > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt > > Respectfully, > Scott Hahn > RAP WG co-chair > From owner-rap@ops.ietf.org Mon Jan 24 19:45:29 2005 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA24841 for ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 19:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtEob-0009Bt-Rh for rap-data@psg.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:44:17 +0000 Received: from [134.134.136.19] (helo=orsfmr005.jf.intel.com) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtEoZ-0009Ai-Bu for rap@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:44:15 +0000 Received: from orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (orsfmr101.jf.intel.com [10.7.209.17]) by orsfmr005.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-outer.mc,v 1.1 2004/09/17 17:50:56 root Exp $) with ESMTP id j0P0iBWo003121; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:44:11 GMT Received: from orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com [192.168.65.54]) by orsfmr101.jf.intel.com (8.12.10/8.12.10/d: major-inner.mc,v 1.2 2004/09/17 18:05:01 root Exp $) with SMTP id j0P0hjLe026074; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 00:44:11 GMT Received: from orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.60]) by orsmsxvs041.jf.intel.com (SAVSMTP 3.1.2.35) with SMTP id M2005012416441100315 ; Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:44:11 -0800 Received: from orsmsx403.amr.corp.intel.com ([192.168.65.209]) by orsmsx332.amr.corp.intel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:44:11 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: AD review of: draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 16:44:10 -0800 Message-ID: <971FCB6690CD0E4898387DBF7552B90E5F3702@orsmsx403.amr.corp.intel.com> Thread-Topic: AD review of: draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt Thread-Index: AcUCa5ABK7lmzY8JR7mgExBwmEVJ+wAB3AHA From: "Kulkarni, Amol" To: "Wijnen, Bert \(Bert\)" , "Hahn, Scott" , "Rap-wg \(E-mail\)" Cc: "Walker, Jesse" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jan 2005 00:44:11.0428 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC6C4E40:01C50276] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.44 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 Sender: owner-rap@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bert, Thanks for your review. Please see my comments below, preceded with 'Amol>'. Thanks, Amol -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com]=20 Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 3:22 PM To: Hahn, Scott; Rap-wg (E-mail) Cc: Kulkarni, Amol; Walker, Jesse Subject: AD review of: draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt Here is my AD review. 1. References and citation issues !! Missing Reference for citation: [RFC2753] P003 L012: Server. See [RFC2753]. P003 L014: Client. See [RFC2753]. !! Missing citation for Informative reference: P010 L055: [RFC3207] Hoffman, P., "SMTP Service Extension for Secure SMTP !! Missing citation for Normative reference: P010 L031: [RFC2026] Bradner, S., "The Internet Standards Process - Revision !! Missing Reference for citation: [RFC3667] P001 L015: of section 3 of RFC 3667 [RFC3667]. By submitting this Internet- For the last one, you should not have a citation on the front page. so citation can just be removed. 2. I wonder about sect 4.1 and the IANA COnsiderations. Does sect 4.1 not describe another C-NUM C-Type combinations (namely C-NUM-16 and C-Type =3D2) that should be added to the = registry=20 at http://www.iana.org/assignments/cops-parameters where it now shows =20 c-num c-type Description Reference ------ ------ ------------------------- --------- 0x01 0x01 Handle [RFC2748] .... snip ... 0x10 0x01 Message Integrity [RFC2748] It seems to we need to ask to add 0x10 0x02 Message Integrity, Integrity-TLS [RFCxxxx] =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amol> Yes, I think we should do that. 3. Sect 4.2 For error code 13 I see that RFC2748 explains the content of the sub-code. Unfortunately such is not recorded in the http://www.iana.org/assignments/cops-parameters=20 For error code 15, you seem to be newly defining what goes in the sub-code. Is that something that needs to be registered? I am not sure myself. Can't say that rfc2748 is very clear on that. The last para of IANA COnsiderations in RFC2748 seems to say we must do so? =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amol> I think that would be a good idea since we're specifying actual content of the message for a specific client type (client type 0). The description of error code 13 in RFC2748 is very generic and doesn't define any new values. That's probably why it isn't in the registry. 4. Sect 5.1 It is not clear to me if the Client-Accept in RFC2748 sect 3.7 is obsoleted, or if this doc just adds another form of the=20 Client-Accept message. I think it is the latter, but would like to see it explicitly spelled out. If it is indeed an additional form, then the abstract is not explicit at that either. =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Amol> It is the latter. We're adding another form of the Client-Accept message, not replacing the earlier one. I am requesting an IETF Last Call now. So pls do not submit a new revision yet. Let me know your reaction to the above asap. Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Hahn, Scott [mailto:scott.hahn@intel.com] > Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 19:09 > To: iesg-secretary@ietf.org > Cc: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Kulkarni, Amol; Walker, Jesse > Subject: Publication of draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt >=20 >=20 > I would like to request the publication as Proposed Standard of the > following draft=20 >=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-rap-cops-tls-10.txt >=20 > Respectfully, > Scott Hahn > RAP WG co-chair >=20 From owner-rap@ops.ietf.org Tue Jan 25 12:31:39 2005 Received: from psg.com (mailnull@psg.com [147.28.0.62]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA22204 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:31:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by psg.com with local (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtUVX-000DcO-Ms for rap-data@psg.com; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:29:39 +0000 Received: from [132.151.6.71] (helo=megatron.ietf.org) by psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.43 (FreeBSD)) id 1CtUVW-000DcA-Se for rap@ops.ietf.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 17:29:38 +0000 Received: from apache by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.32) id 1CtURz-0005gU-Pg; Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:25:59 -0500 X-test-idtracker: no To: IETF-Announce From: The IESG Subject: Last Call: 'COPS Over TLS' to Proposed Standard Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org CC: Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 12:25:59 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on psg.com X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.0.1 Sender: owner-rap@ops.ietf.org Precedence: bulk The IESG has received a request from the Resource Allocation Protocol WG to consider the following document: - 'COPS Over TLS ' as a Proposed Standard This document has been on IESG before as informational document. 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