From nobody Mon Oct 1 03:30:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4729130E47; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:30:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SM53mzYGjFjG; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0223.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.223]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59440130E1E; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 03:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E790B1801BD8A; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:30:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 2, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :::::::, RULES_HIT:1:2:41:72:152:355:379:582:599:800:960:962:967:968:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1221:1260:1313:1314:1345:1359:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1605:1730:1776:1792:2198:2199:2525:2527:2553:2557:2559:2564:2682:2685:2689:2692:2693:2859:2894:2895:2899:2902:2911:2924:2925:2926:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3148:3586:3642:3769:3834:3865:3866:3867:3868:3870:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4051:4250:4321:4425:5007:6119:6261:6298:6657:6678:7903:8568:8603:9025:9177:10346:10848:11232:11657:11658:11914:12043:12109:12114:12295:12740:12895:13139:13161:13200:13229:13237:13439:14149:14799:21080:21324:21433:21451:21611:21625:30054:30070:30083:30090:30091, 0, RBL:216.40.42.5:@bbhmail.nl:.lbl8.mailshell.net-62.8.55.100 66.201.201.201, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:n X-HE-Tag: test72_792040d9e8b35 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 14793 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf04.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 10:30:32 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_a527018941b3965b19df4c47250ad7fc" Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 12:30:31 +0200 From: Peter van der Stok To: Rahul Jadhav Cc: consultancy@vanderstok.org, draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org In-Reply-To: References: <65ac8a93279212d8757d1ecf24ac9e42@bbhmail.nl> <2b26f398a3ebd41b32cf46aa7f328603@bbhmail.nl> Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [90.0.220.17] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao review X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 10:30:39 -0000 --=_a527018941b3965b19df4c47250ad7fc Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Rahul Jadhav schreef op 2018-10-01 07:07: > Thank you Peter for the thorough review. > > [pvds]My pleasure: I hope it helps implementers; At least for me things are much clearer. > [pvds] See my last comments below; I will now start on the shepherd document; may take some time. > Once finished, our AD will look at the documents. > > Updates in -08: > 1. Section 4.4.3 (DCO with multiple preferred parent) is updated with more detailed text. Also an example DCO messaging for multiple preferred parents is added in the Appendix section (A.2). > 2. DCO, DCO-ACK initial values for DCOSequence is updated. Handling of DCO-ACK failure explained. > 3. Security considerations > > Please find responses inline.. > > Thanks, > Rahul > > On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 at 18:42, Peter van der Stok wrote: > Please find answers to responses and additional review of -06, later switching to -07 > > Peter > Rahul Jadhav schreef op 2018-09-27 10:49: > Please find responses inline. > Thanks, > Rahul [RJ]: We have added definitions of 6LBR, 6LR DODAG, DAG in the terminology section. Some of it we duplicated from 6550 so as to help the reader. [pvds] happy with that > 3.1 How can transmission be tolerant to a link failure when the link has disappeared completely or the node has been removed; some explanation is needed here. It would help if the assumptions are listed: like there is another path via .... > [RJ] Have reworded the para. > [pvds] I still don't get it; what happens when no packet at all passes through the link? The NPDAO will never reach (B), (G), and (H) (your example), the DCO will reach (B) and (G); is that the tolerance you mean? [RJ] Yes. The new mechanism does not depend on previous route link failures and thus is tolerant. That is what was meant. We have changed the title of the section since it sounded confusing (especially the term tolerant). Thank you for pointing it. Please check if the new title and section rewording makes sense. [pvds] I do understand what is meant now. > In section 3.1, 3.2 and 3.3 it should not be necessary to repeat what is written in section 2.1, 2.2 and 2.3, just a reference to the corresponding section will do. > > [RJ] we have removed duplicate sentences and reworded section 2 heavily. > [pvds]Quite nice. > > Section 7 is rather short; I doubt that it will be accepted in this form. > There have been earlier comments on the insufficiency of the security considerations in RPL documents. > > [Pvds]You may be inspired by RFC7733, RFC7416 and draft-richardson-roll-applicability-template-02 [1] [RJ] We have updated security considerations based on security considerations from RFC 6550. I have also gone through 7733, 7416 and the applicability template for inspiration. I think the applicability documents security considerations are much different and it talks about key provisioning/management which i feel are irrelevant for DCO, DCO-ACK. We have explained the use of secure messaging in Preinstalled/Authenticated/Unsecured security modes of 6550 for DCO, DCO-ACK. [pvds] Treatment is more explicit. I expect that this suffices. However, there may be questions about what this means for the application. Can rogue nodes remove paths, and render destinations unreachable? or worse send to the wrong destinations? At the end of this section some text about multiple parents is helpful; Do you exclude that possibility? Or does an additional set of parents (foreseen in RFC6550) have no influence? I doubt it. > Just read version 07; section 4.4.3 is a statement that needs some explanation to be understood. Also an implementer needs some guidance on what to do; send a NPDAO to all parents, probably not,? Do you need an additional new parent? Send the DCO from all common ancestors on all paths? [RJ] There has been a major text update for this. Section 4.4.3 is updated and an example DCO signalling for multiple preferred parents is added in appendix (A.2). [pvds] less misunderstanding now. > Section 4.1 Are the dependent nodes the nodes in the subtree introduced in section 1.3? or only the children of the switching node? [RJ] Sorry but I didn't understand this. There is no reference to dependent nodes or child nodes in section 4.1. [pvds] My typing error: I meant section 4.4.1: I assume you mean the subtree of the switching node Links: ------ [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-richardson-roll-applicability-template/ --=_a527018941b3965b19df4c47250ad7fc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

Rahul Jadhav schreef op 2018-10-01 07:07:

Thank you Peter for the thorough review.

[pvds]My pleasure: I hope it helps implementers; At least for me thing= s are much clearer.
[pvds] See my last comments below; I will now star= t on the shepherd document; may take some time.
Once finished, our AD = will look at the documents.

Updates in -08:
1. Section 4.4.3 (DCO with multiple preferred parent) is updated with = more detailed text. Also an example DCO messaging for multiple preferred pa= rents is added in the Appendix section (A.2).
2. DCO, DCO-ACK initial values for DCOSequence is updated. Handling of= DCO-ACK failure explained.
3. Security considerations
 
Please find responses inline..
 
Thanks,
Rahul

On Thu, 27 Sep 2018 at 18:42, Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bbhmail.nl> wrote:
Ple= ase find answers to responses and additional review of -06, later switching= to -07

Peter

Rahul Jadhav schreef op 2018-09-27 10:49:

Please find responses inline.
Thanks,
Rahul
[RJ]: We have added definitions of 6LBR, 6LR DODAG, DAG in the termino= logy section. Some of it we duplicated from 6550 so as to  help the re= ader.
[pvds] happy with that

3.1 How can transmission be tolerant to a link failure when the = link has disappeared completely or the node has been removed; some explanat= ion is needed here. It would help if the assumptions are listed: like there= is another path via ....
[RJ] Have reworded the para.
[pvds] I still don't get it; what ha= ppens when no packet at all passes through the link? The NPDAO will never r= each (B), (G), and (H) (your example), the DCO will reach (B) and (G); is t= hat the tolerance you mean?
 
[RJ]  Yes. The new mechanism does not depend on previous route li= nk failures and thus is tolerant. That is what was meant.
We have changed the title of the section since it sounded confusing (e= specially the term tolerant). Thank you for pointing it. Please check if th= e new title and section rewording makes sense.
[pvds] I do understand = what is meant now.
 
 
[RJ] We have updated security considerations based on security conside= rations from RFC 6550. I have also gone through 7733, 7416 and the applicab= ility template for inspiration. I think the applicability documents securit= y considerations are much different and it talks about key provisioning/man= agement which i feel are irrelevant for DCO, DCO-ACK. We have explained the= use of secure messaging in Preinstalled/Authenticated/Unsecured security m= odes of 6550 for DCO, DCO-ACK.

[pvds] Treatment is more explicit= =2E I expect that this suffices. However, there may be questions about= what this means for the application. Can rogue nodes remove paths, and ren= der destinations unreachable? or worse send to the wrong destinations?




At the end of this section some text about multipl= e parents is helpful; Do you exclude that possibility? Or does an additiona= l set of parents (foreseen in RFC6550) have no influence? I doubt it.

Just read version 07; section 4.4.3 is a statement that needs some expla= nation to be understood. Also an implementer needs some guidance on what to= do; send a NPDAO to all parents, probably not,? Do you need an additional = new parent? Send the DCO from all common ancestors on all paths?

[RJ] There has been a major text update for this. Section 4.4.3 is upd= ated and an example DCO signalling for multiple preferred parents is added = in appendix (A.2).
[pvds] less misunderstanding now.

Section 4.1 Are the dependent nodes the nodes in the subtree introduced = in section 1.3? or only the children of the switching node?

[RJ]  Sorry but I didn't understand this. There is no reference t= o dependent nodes or child nodes in section 4.1. 
[pvds] My typin= g error: I meant section 4.4.1: I assume you mean the subtree of the switch= ing node
--=_a527018941b3965b19df4c47250ad7fc-- From nobody Fri Oct 5 15:59:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFE9112872C; Fri, 5 Oct 2018 15:59:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R1WSeKeQ0CZp; Fri, 5 Oct 2018 15:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA2701277D2; Fri, 5 Oct 2018 15:59:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::b]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w95MxDPm024136; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 00:59:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.102] (p54A6C3C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.195.199]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42RlYs1bZkzDXqW; Sat, 6 Oct 2018 00:59:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 560473151.172466-844d8c926f3235f22a96f1a62209c33d Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 00:59:12 +0200 Message-Id: <024679E1-3B64-49F3-B91B-71BA80977114@tzi.org> To: lo <6lo@ietf.org>, tisch <6tisch@ietf.org>, lp-wan , lwip@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF103: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2018 22:59:20 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF103. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. cbor/teep and 6tisch/suit are annoying but probably livable. No qirg for core goers... All times are ICT (Indochina Time) =3D=3D UTC +7 hours. There is no daylight saving time in effect in Thailand. DST will have ended in Europe by then (e.g., CET =3D UTC+0100) and will end in the US during the initial weekend (On Sun, Nov 4; e.g. EST =3D UTC-0500). (You can get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Please note that the Friday schedule is still evolving; plan to stick around until 13:20 or you may miss interesting conversations. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten SATURDAY/SUNDAY, November 3/4. 2018 -- Hackathon (including various interops) (Centre Ville) -- Sun 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Garden at Queen's Park -- Sun 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks - Thai Chitlada 3 MONDAY, November 5, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Thai Chitlada 3 IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure = Proposed RG Meeting 1 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Boromph. 1/2 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Thai Chitlada 1 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Thai Chitlada 2 TSV taps Transport Services WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Thai Chitlada 1 IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Thai Chitlada 2 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1350-1550 Afternoon Session I Boromph. 1/2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Meeting 2 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Thai Chitlada 2 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Thai Chitlada 3 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1610-1810 Afternoon Session II Meeting 1 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Thai Chitlada 1 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Thai Chitlada 2 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG TUESDAY, November 6, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Thai Chitlada 2 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Meeting 1 INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Boromph. 1/2 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Thai Chitlada 3 INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG Meeting 2 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1350-1550 Afternoon Session I Thai Chitlada 3 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Thai Chitlada 2 SEC rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS BOF Thai Chitlada 1 TSV quic QUIC WG 1610-1810 Afternoon Session II Thai Chitlada 1 IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Meeting 2 IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing WEDNESDAY, November 7, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session ! Thai Chitlada 3 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Boromph. 3 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Meeting 1 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Boromph. 1/2 SEC tokbind Token Binding WG Thai Chitlada 1 TSV quic QUIC WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Boromph. 1/2 INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Thai Chitlada 1 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Thai Chitlada 2 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1350-1520 Afternoon Session I Meeting 1 GEN wugh WGs Using GitHub BOF Thai Chitlada 3 INT homenet Home Networking WG Meeting 2 IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG 1540-1710 Afternoon Session II Meeting 1 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Thai Chitlada 3 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Meeting 2 IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Proposed Research Group Boromph. 3 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Boromph. 1/2 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG THURSDAY, November 8, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Thai Chitlada 1 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Boromph. 4 INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Meeting 1 IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Thai Chitlada 2 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Thai Chitlada 2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Thai Chitlada 3 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Proposed Research Group Boromph. 4 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Thai Chitlada 1 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Meeting 2 TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1350-1550 Afternoon Session I Meeting 1 INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Thai Chitlada 2 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Thai Chitlada 1 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1610-1810 Afternoon Session II Thai Chitlada 3 RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Thai Chitlada 1 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Boromph. 1/2 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG FRIDAY, November 9, 2018 Various ad-hoc meetings, please see https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/103sidemeetings#FRIDAY -- 0900..1320 T2TRG work meeting -- 1000..??? 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The 2019 IEEE International Conference on Blockchain (Blockchain-2019) http://www.blockchain-ieee.org/ Atlanta, USA, July 14-July 17, 2019 Introduction As a promising technique to achieve decentralized consensus, blockchain has= been successfully applied into digital currency, e.g., bitcoin, for servin= g as a public ledger for transactions. Its secure design for supporting a d= istributed computing system with high fault tolerance is attracting wide at= tention all over the world. Blockchain has a great potential to create new = foundations for our socio-economic systems by efficiently establishing trus= t among people and machines, reducing cost, and increasing utilization of resources. On on= e hand, blockchain will play an important role for secure decentralization = in such emerging fields as Internet of Things, Cyber Physical Systems, edge= computing, social networking, crowdsourcing and next generation wireless c= ommunications, and even more other fields. On the other hand, its advance s= hould be further evolved in terms of scalability, privacy, efficiency, flex= ibility, availability and high dependability. Following the great success of IEEE Blockchain 2018, held in July 30 - Augu= st 03, 2018, in Halifax, Canada, the 2019 IEEE International Conference on = Blockchain (Blockchain-2019) will provide a high-profile, leading-edge foru= m for researchers, engineers, and practitioners to present latest advances = and innovations in key theories, infrastructure, schemes, and significant a= pplications for the blockchain, as well as to identify emerging research to= pics and define the future. Topics The emergence and popularity of blockchain techniques will significantly ch= ange the way of digital and networking systems' operation and management. I= n the meantime, the application of blockchain will exhibit a variety of com= plicated problems and new requirements, which brings more open issues and c= hallenges for research communities. IEEE Blockchain-2019 will be held on July 14 - July 17, 2019, in Atlanta, U= SA. The goal of this conference is to promote community-wide discussion ide= ntifying the advanced applications, technologies and theories for blockchai= n. We seek submissions of papers that invent novel techniques, investigate = new applications, introduce advanced methodologies, propose promising resea= rch directions and discuss approaches for unsolved issues. Topics of interest include, but are not limited to: * Theories of blockchain and distributed ledger technology * Distributed consensus and fault tolerance mechanisms * Security, privacy and trust of blockchain and distributed ledger te= chnology * Decentralization, scalability, and security tradeoff * Performance analysis and optimization * Simulation and performance evaluation techniques * Smart contract and chain code * Applications and services with blockchain and distributed ledger te= chnology * Protocols and algorithms based on blockchain * Blockchain in the Internet of things (IoT) * Blockchain in cyber physical systems * Blockchain in social networking * Blockchain in supply chain management * Blockchain in agriculture * Blockchain in connected and autonomous vehicles * Blockchain in crowdsourcing and crowdsensing * Blockchain in mobile cellular networks * Blockchain in edge and cloud computing Submissions All papers need to be submitted electronically through the conference websi= te (https://edas.info/newPaper.php?c=3D25416) with PDF format. Submitted pa= pers must not substantially overlap with papers that have been published or= that are simultaneously submitted to a journal or a conference with procee= dings. Papers must be clearly presented in English, must not exceed 8 pages= in IEEE Computer Society proceedings format (or up to 10 pages with the pa= ges over length charge), including tables, figures, references and appendic= es. Papers will be selected based on their originality, significance, relev= ance, and clarity of presentation assessed by at least three reviewers. All= submitted papers will be judged through double-blind reviews, where the id= entities of the authors are withheld from the reviewers. As an author, you = are required to preserve the anonymity of your submission, while at the sam= e time allowing the reader to fully grasp the context of related past work,= including your own. Papers that do not conform to our double-blind submiss= ion policies will be rejected without review. Submission of a paper should be regarded as a commitment that, should the p= aper be accepted, at least one of the authors will register and attend the = conference to present the work. Blockchain 2018 reserves the right to exclu= de a paper from distribution after the conference (e.g., removal from the d= igital library and indexing services), if the paper is not presented at the= conference. All accepted papers will be published in IEEE CPS proceedings = (EI Indexed) and collected by IEEE Xplore Digital Library. Two outstanding = papers will be selected to receive the Best Paper Awards. Journal Special Issues 1. Ad Hoc and Sensor Network Journal (SCI) 2. Digital Communications and Networks (Elsevier) 3. IEEE Blockchain Newsletter Important Dates Workshop Proposal Due: January 05, 2019 Paper Submission Deadline: March 01, 2019 Author Notification: April 07, 2019 Final Manuscript Due: May 02, 2019 --_000_DB4PR02MB0382D7452706B8C27CE7751EC7E20DB4PR02MB0382eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The 2019 IEEE Internatio= nal Conference on Blockchain (Blockchain-2019)

http://www.blockchain-ieee.org/

Atlanta, USA, July 14-July = 17, 2019

 =

Introduction<= /span>

 =

As a promising technique to= achieve decentralized consensus, blockchain has been successfully applied = into digital currency, e.g., bitcoin, for serving as a public ledger for transactions. Its secure design for supporting a di= stributed computing system with high fault tolerance is attracting wide att= ention all over the world. Blockchain has a great potential to create new f= oundations for our socio-economic systems by efficiently establishing trust among people

and machines, reducing cost= , and increasing utilization of resources. On one hand, blockchain will pla= y an important role for secure decentralization in such emerging fields as Internet of Things, Cyber Physical Systems, edg= e computing, social networking, crowdsourcing and next generation wireless = communications, and even more other fields. On the other hand, its advance = should be further evolved in terms of scalability, privacy, efficiency, flexibility, availability and high de= pendability.

 

Following the great success= of IEEE Blockchain 2018, held in July 30 – August 03, 2018, in Halif= ax, Canada, the 2019 IEEE International Conference on Blockchain (Blockchain-2019) will provide a high-profile, leading-edge for= um for researchers, engineers, and practitioners to present latest advances= and innovations in key theories, infrastructure, schemes, and significant = applications for the blockchain, as well as to identify emerging research topics and define the future.

 

Topics=

 =

The emergence and popularit= y of blockchain techniques will significantly change the way of digital and= networking systems’ operation and management. In the meantime, the application of blockchain will exhibit a variety of c= omplicated problems and new requirements, which brings more open issues and= challenges for research communities.

 

IEEE Blockchain-2019 will b= e held on July 14 - July 17, 2019, in Atlanta, USA. The goal of this confer= ence is to promote community-wide discussion identifying the advanced applications, technologies and theories for blockchain. We se= ek submissions of papers that invent novel techniques, investigate new appl= ications, introduce advanced methodologies, propose promising research dire= ctions and discuss approaches for unsolved issues.

 

Topics of interest include,= but are not limited to:

 

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Theories of blockchain and distributed ledger technology

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Distributed consensus and fault tolerance mechanisms<= /p>

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Security, privacy and trust of blockchain and distributed ledger techno= logy

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Decentralization, scalability, and security tradeoff

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Performance analysis and optimization

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Simulation and performance evaluation techniques

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Smart contract and chain code

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Applications and services with blockchain and distributed ledger techno= logy

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Protocols and algorithms based on blockchain

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in the Internet of things (IoT)

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in cyber physical systems

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in social networking

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in supply chain management

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in agriculture

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in connected and autonomous vehicles

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in crowdsourcing and crowdsensing

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in mobile cellular networks

&= middot;  &= nbsp;    Blockchain in edge and cloud computing

 

 

Submissions

 

All papers need to be submitted electro= nically through the conference website (https://edas.info/newPaper.p= hp?c=3D25416) with PDF format. Submitted papers must not substantially overlap with pape= rs that have been published or that are simultaneously submitted to a journ= al or a conference with proceedings. Papers must be clearly presented in En= glish, must not exceed 8 pages in IEEE Computer Society proceedings format (or up to 10 pages with the pages= over length charge), including tables, figures, references and appendices.= Papers will be selected based on their originality, significance, relevanc= e, and clarity of presentation assessed by at least three reviewers. All submitted paper= s will be judged through double-blind reviews, where the identities of the = authors are withheld from the reviewers. As an author, you are required to = preserve the anonymity of your submission, while at the same time allowing the reader to fully grasp the context of r= elated past work, including your own. Papers that do not conform to our dou= ble-blind submission policies will be rejected without review.

 

Submission of a paper should be regarde= d as a commitment that, should the paper be accepted, at least one of the a= uthors will register and attend the conference to present the work. Blockchain 2018 reserves the right to exclude a paper= from distribution after the conference (e.g., removal from the digital lib= rary and indexing services), if the paper is not presented at the conferenc= e. All accepted papers will be published in IEEE CPS proceedings (EI Indexed) and collected by IEEE Xplore Digital = Library. Two outstanding papers will be selected to receive the Best Paper = Awards.

 

Journal Special Issues

1.&nbs= p;    Ad Hoc a= nd Sensor Network Journal (SCI)

2.&nbs= p;    Digital = Communications and Networks (Elsevier)

3.&nbs= p;    IEEE Blo= ckchain Newsletter

 

Important Dates

 

Workshop Proposal Due: = ;            &n= bsp;  January 05, 2019

Paper Submission Deadline:&= nbsp;          March 01, 2019<= o:p>

Author Notification: &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;         April 07, 2019

Fina= l Manuscript Due:       May 02, 2019

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--00000000000075564705780f7666-- From nobody Sun Oct 14 11:42:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20A22126F72; Sun, 14 Oct 2018 11:42:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <153954256810.5544.844542018805766426@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 11:42:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-09.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 18:42:48 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Efficient Route Invalidation Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Rabi Narayan Sahoo Zhen Cao Filename : draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-09.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-10-14 Abstract: This document describes the problems associated with NPDAO messaging used in RPL for route invalidation and signaling changes to improve route invalidation efficiency. 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We asked for reviews and comments. Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that. However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG. One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents. Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch would be welcome. Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help. looking forward to your reactions, Ines and Peter -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_e07452b2266524fb394197d221f60094 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hi all,

During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was d= iscussed.
We asked for reviews and comments.
Prof Diego Dujovne p= romised a review and e are looking forward to that.

However thes= e documents need more support for adoption by this WG.
One of the argu= ments was that 6tisch needed the documents.
Some remarks on the ML abo= ut the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch would be welcome.
Ind= ications that implementations are on their way would certainly help.
<= br />looking forward to your reactions,

Ines and Peter
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--000000000000183efe05784f3470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 7:38 PM Rahul Arvind Jadhav wrote: > Hello all, > > > > Regarding traffic-aware-objective-function, we already have a variant of > the drafts implementation (but it is not open sourced as of now). Our > primary motivation for the work then was to improve network lifetime by > ensuring traffic is distributed among all possible peers. We considered > packets processed per time unit (PPU) as the primary metric and defined an > OF around combination of PPU, ETX and #hops. > > > > Best, > > Rahul > > > > *From:* Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter van der > Stok > *Sent:* 15 October 2018 21:20 > *To:* Roll > *Subject:* [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function > > > > Hi all, > > During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was discussed. > We asked for reviews and comments. > Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that. > > However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG. > One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents. > Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch > would be welcome. > Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help. > > looking forward to your reactions, > > Ines and Peter > > -- > > Peter van der Stok > vanderstok consultancy > mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > www: www.vanderstok.org > tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000183efe05784f3470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On = Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 7:38 PM Rahul Arvind Jadhav <rahul.jadhav@huawei.com> wrote:

Hello all,

=C2=A0

Regarding traffic-aware-objective-fun= ction, we already have a variant of the drafts implementation (but it is no= t open sourced as of now). Our primary motivation for the work then was to improve network lifetime by ensuring traffic is d= istributed among all possible peers. We considered packets processed per ti= me unit (PPU) as the primary metric and defined an OF around combination of= PPU, ETX and #hops.

=C2=A0

Best,

Rahul

=C2=A0

From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@i= etf.org] On Behalf Of Peter van der Stok
Sent: 15 October 2018 21:20
To: Roll <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function

=C2=A0

Hi all,

During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was discussed.
We asked for reviews and comments.
Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that.

However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG.
One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents.
Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch = would be welcome.
Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help.

looking forward to your reactions,

Ines and Peter

--

Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
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From: Bob Old Sent: Monday, October 15, 2018 7:20 PM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Reply To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: Re: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 7:38 PM Rahul Arvind Jadhav > wrote: Hello all, Regarding traffic-aware-objective-function, we already have a variant of th= e drafts implementation (but it is not open sourced as of now). Our primary= motivation for the work then was to improve network lifetime by ensuring t= raffic is distributed among all possible peers. We considered packets proce= ssed per time unit (PPU) as the primary metric and defined an OF around com= bination of PPU, ETX and #hops. Best, Rahul From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Peter van der Stok Sent: 15 October 2018 21:20 To: Roll > Subject: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function Hi all, During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was discussed. We asked for reviews and comments. Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that. However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG. One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents. Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch = would be welcome. Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help. looking forward to your reactions, Ines and Peter -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stok= cons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_2018101603383762464844229028809convergencewirelesscom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Subject: Re: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-f= unction


On Mon, Oct 15, 2018, 7:38 PM Rahul Arvind Jadhav <rahul.jadhav@huawei.com> wrot= e:

Hello all,

 

Regarding traffic-aware-objective-f= unction, we already have a variant of the drafts implementation (but it is = not open sourced as of now). Our primary motivation for the work then was to improve network lifetime by ensuring traffic is d= istributed among all possible peers. We considered packets processed per ti= me unit (PPU) as the primary metric and defined an OF around combination of= PPU, ETX and #hops.

 

Best,

Rahul

 

From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces= @ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter van der Stok
Sent: 15 October 2018 21:20
To: Roll <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function

 

Hi all,

During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was discussed.
We asked for reviews and comments.
Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that.

However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG.
One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents.
Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch = would be welcome.
Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help.

looking forward to your reactions,

Ines and Peter

--

Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanderstok.org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673     F: +33(0)966015248<= u>

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--_000_2018101603383762464844229028809convergencewirelesscom_-- From nobody Tue Oct 16 07:16:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA172130DE9 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:16:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mailfence.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AecBOcjF48Yg for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com (mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com [212.3.242.97]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B9343130DE8 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:16:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpauth2.co-bxl (smtpauth2.co-bxl [10.2.0.24]) by mailout-l3b-97.contactoffice.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C12E4C for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:16:11 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=mailfence.com; s=20160819-nLV10XS2; t=1539699371; bh=/QO55PJB3PK+4Oj9yhP1KzoiEmC3KofVRDvkijOlq5E=; h=References:In-Reply-To:From:Date:Subject:To:Cc:From; b=EuYr48nnEgImEo6jArBzT3+Mbhj64tasH6+xJd/sAcPgsj6P1KlTXwFiqaiEWtwWR pR+VhlcEMTW+x+UXpp06wGqS4g9mZ7bovJJWqTyqlRotoB9HekP0oLCi8QRo5PcCOJ g0bECl50766fnIbuHOtVe4SDanyBqW5/QTYkk9jTc5l75bHngi4NiLeS1KdcTEhwcr cMmEBxAMlKybx+tsH1lQKcF1lHxhKuzOC6fxpgxt8oRsyOpTdN5omhaiSneZSBlIeB ZKs+sXsKCFTKfjwX0YnfuannU9cPgPuCSeNKJQoGgv7CzjJhLPdlAB8sQvNXOMPZQK 6vnEybhBCsyLQ== Received: from mail-io1-f41.google.com ([209.85.166.41]) by smtp.mailfence.com (envelope-from ) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:16:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail-io1-f41.google.com with SMTP id y10-v6so16592661ioa.10 for ; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:16:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohwg0tX75Txi/K6hjRR64C80qZAEBOin02Z64Yz8Isv/22H3czh Ym9ym3CQ4oVVRyhUKK/xOTU6EwhYijiijBOgtpI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63U0GVx1Wra38A0+0+Sjlh9rRBehyiv3IaKwL3axRCsypspMleB2poZ/bCGnWpBTqdqVOC8hY0dGn8sM24dBa4= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:5401:: with SMTP id i1-v6mr12595456iob.96.1539699364067; Tue, 16 Oct 2018 07:16:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1593e5d0393ff64948a63ae50465ff84@bbhmail.nl> <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DCDB3A7@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DCDB3A7@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> From: Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:16:08 +0200 (CEST) X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a8020605785931af" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 14:16:17 -0000 --000000000000a8020605785931af Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, for the traffic-aware-objective-function, firstly we are happy that Rahul is also working on a similar concept and we think this shows that the idea has merit. Furthermore, during the summer there was interest for reviews (Rahul) and we are still looking forward to the review. We are currently preparing improvements for integration into the draft before the 2018-10-22 (Monday) Internet Draft submission cut-off deadline. In these improvements we are firstly orienting our work not only for load-balancing but also to form a part of the solution to the join process in Michael Richardson's work (draft-ietf-6tisch-enrollment-enhanced-beacon-00, draft-richardson-6tisch-roll-enrollment-priority-01) as Pascal also mentioned, by extending the metric container object so that it can be used to select DODAGs (using the minimum-based aggregation function). >From what I can gather, we also have some differences to Rahul's work. We will be updating the draft to change the information reported: now the current traffic is reported but we will change to reporting the current *remaining* traffic capacity. Finally, we are planning to show some first simulation results from our ongoing work. We are currently implementing this in the Contiki OS. Best, Aris On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 2:38 AM Rahul Arvind Jadhav wrote: > Hello all, > > > > Regarding traffic-aware-objective-function, we already have a variant of > the drafts implementation (but it is not open sourced as of now). Our > primary motivation for the work then was to improve network lifetime by > ensuring traffic is distributed among all possible peers. We considered > packets processed per time unit (PPU) as the primary metric and defined an > OF around combination of PPU, ETX and #hops. > > > > Best, > > Rahul > > > > *From:* Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Peter van der > Stok > *Sent:* 15 October 2018 21:20 > *To:* Roll > *Subject:* [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function > > > > Hi all, > > During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was discussed. > We asked for reviews and comments. > Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that. > > However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG. > One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents. > Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch > would be welcome. > Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help. > > looking forward to your reactions, > > Ines and Peter > > -- > > Peter van der Stok > vanderstok consultancy > mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl > www: www.vanderstok.org > tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000a8020605785931af Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
=

for the traffic-aware-objective-function, firstly we are happ= y that Rahul is also working on a similar concept and we think this shows t= hat the idea has merit.=C2=A0
Furthermore, during the summer there was interest for reviews (Rahul) an= d we are still looking forward to the review.

We= are currently preparing improvements for integration into the draft before= the 2018-10-22 (Monday)=C2=A0Internet Draft submission cut-off dead= line.

In the= se improvements we are firstly orienting our work not only for load-balanci= ng but also to form a part of the solution to the join process in Michael R= ichardson's work (draft-ietf-6tisch-enrollment-enhanced-beacon-00,=C2= =A0draft-richardson-6tisch-roll-enrollment-priority-01) as Pascal also ment= ioned, by extending the metric container object so that it can be used to s= elect DODAGs (using the minimum-based aggregation function).=C2=A0

From what I can gather, we also have some differences to Rahul&#= 39;s work. We will be updating the draft to change the information reported= : now the current traffic is reported but we will change to reporting the c= urrent *remaining* traffic capacity.

Finally, we = are planning to show some first simulation results from our ongoing work. W= e are currently implementing this in the Contiki OS.

Best,
Aris
=
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 2:3= 8 AM Rahul Arvind Jadhav <rah= ul.jadhav@huawei.com> wrote:

Hello all,

=C2=A0

Regarding traffic-aware-objective-fun= ction, we already have a variant of the drafts implementation (but it is no= t open sourced as of now). Our primary motivation for the work then was to improve network lifetime by ensuring traffic is d= istributed among all possible peers. We considered packets processed per ti= me unit (PPU) as the primary metric and defined an OF around combination of= PPU, ETX and #hops.

=C2=A0

Best,

Rahul

=C2=A0

From: Roll [mailto:roll-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter van der Stok
Sent: 15 October 2018 21:20
To: Roll <roll= @ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] nsa-extension and traffic-aware-objective-function

=C2=A0

Hi all,

During ietf102 the adoption of these two documents was discussed.
We asked for reviews and comments.
Prof Diego Dujovne promised a review and e are looking forward to that.

However these documents need more support for adoption by this WG.
One of the arguments was that 6tisch needed the documents.
Some remarks on the ML about the necessity of these by documents by 6tisch = would be welcome.
Indications that implementations are on their way would certainly help.

looking forward to your reactions,

Ines and Peter

--

Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: con= sultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.n= l
www: www.vanderstok= .org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0F: +33(0)966015248

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--000000000000a8020605785931af-- From nobody Wed Oct 17 07:39:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3E1130E94; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:38:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zzwoNn8tVbca; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F37B4130E66; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 07:38:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost2.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.200.7]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w9HEcUmc026540; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:38:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.114] (p54A6CA9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.166.202.159]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 42ZvtZ0hSRz1Bqf; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:38:30 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 561479907.8759429-e6c1853d0a8529beceb4f96b701a90f5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:38:29 +0200 Message-Id: <2290DF41-E741-4EDF-AB9C-E4F4733FA7F5@tzi.org> To: lo <6lo@ietf.org>, tisch <6tisch@ietf.org>, lp-wan , lwip@ietf.org, Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF103: "FINAL" AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 14:38:53 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA for IETF103. A few changes from the DRAFT AGENDA. I waited a bit with sending this as a few more side meetings have become known, as well. Of course, "FINAL" doesn't mean final. cbor/teep and 6tisch/ace (was suit) are annoying but probably livable. qirg no longer conflicts with core :-). dinrg is now on top of lpwan. secdispatch on top of t2trg will all but make sure no security people attend t2trg. All times are ICT (Indochina Time) =3D=3D UTC +7 hours. There is no daylight saving time in effect in Thailand. DST will have ended in Europe by then (e.g., CET =3D UTC+0100) and will end in the US during the initial weekend (On Sun, Nov 4; e.g. EST =3D UTC-0500). (You can get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Please note that the Friday schedule is still evolving; plan to stick around until 13:20 or you may miss interesting conversations. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten SATURDAY/SUNDAY, November 3/4. 2018 -- Hackathon (including various interops) (Centre Ville), e.g.: T2TRG WISHI, possibly some CBOR, LPWAN, TLS 1.3, EST-COAPS, TEEP Please see https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/103hackathon -- Sun 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Garden at Queen's Park -- Sun 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks - Chitlada 3 MONDAY, November 5, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Chitlada 2 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Meeting 1 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Boromph. 1/2 RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Meeting 2 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Chitlada 1 IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Chitlada 2 TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting 1350-1550 Afternoon Session I Boromph. 1/2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Meeting 1 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Chitlada 2 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Chitlada 3 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1610-1810 Afternoon Session II Meeting 2 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Chitlada 1 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Chitlada 2 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG TUESDAY, November 6, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Chitlada 1 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Meeting 1 INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Meeting 2 IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure = Proposed RG Boromph. 4 SEC tokbind Token Binding WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Chitlada 3 INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG Chitlada 2 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Proposed Research Group Meeting 1 SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1350-1550 Afternoon Session I Chitlada 3 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Chitlada 2 SEC rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS BOF Chitlada 1 TSV quic QUIC WG 1610-1810 Afternoon Session II Chitlada 1 IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Meeting 1 IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Meeting 2 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Pagoda -- 1700..1800 CACAO side meeting Apartment 3 -- 1800..2000 IoT Onboarding side meeting (lear/mcr) WEDNESDAY, November 7, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Chitlada 3 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Boromph. 3 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Meeting 2 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Chitlada 1 TSV quic QUIC WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Meeting 2 INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Chitlada 1 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Chitlada 2 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1350-1520 Afternoon Session I Meeting 2 GEN wugh WGs Using GitHub BOF Chitlada 3 INT homenet Home Networking WG Meeting 1 IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG -- 1400..1500 IoT Onboarding Mechanisms side meeting 1540-1710 Afternoon Session II Chitlada 3 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Meeting 1 IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Proposed Research Group Boromph. 3 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Boromph. 1/2 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Meeting 2 TSV taps Transport Services WG THURSDAY, November 8, 2018 0900-1100 Morning Session I Chitlada 1 ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Meeting 2 IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Chitlada 2 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 1120-1220 Morning Session II Chitlada 2 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Boromph. 1/2 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Chitlada 1 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Meeting 1 TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1350-1550 Afternoon Session I Meeting 2 INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Chitlada 2 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Chitlada 1 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1610-1810 Afternoon Session II Boromph. 3 INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Chitlada 3 RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Chitlada 1 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG Boromph. 1/2 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG FRIDAY, November 9, 2018 Various ad-hoc meetings, please see https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/103sidemeetings#FRIDAY Boromph. 4 -- 0900..1320 T2TRG work meeting Boromph. 3 -- 1000..1200 COIN (Computing in the Network) From nobody Wed Oct 17 19:38:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0497F1200D7 for ; 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Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:38:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 23:38:08 -0300 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000087579057877ae18" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Review of draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-02 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 02:38:24 -0000 --000000000000087579057877ae18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, This is the review of draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-02. Regards, Diego Dujovne Review 1. First, I woud say that sections 3, 4 and 5 are mostly concentrated on the packet replication process. this text can be mostly removed by referring to the pre-requisites draft on 6tisch. 2. "no TLV have been" should be "no TLV has been" 3. "option is included is shown" should be "option is included, is shown" 4. "is shown further expanded" should be "is shown expanded" 5. The idea "It does not make sense for this information to be aggregated due to the scalability issue created by the space required for many IPv6 addresses. Therefore, the PS MUST NOT be aggregated." is not clear. can you rephrase this expression? Why should aggregation be considered first? 6. "For reasons of clarity," -> "For clarity reasons," --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Profesor Asociado Escuela de Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunicaciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa - Universidad Diego Portales - Chile www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --000000000000087579057877ae18 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,=C2=A0
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the review of=C2=A0draft-koutsiamanis-r= oll-nsa-extension-02.
Regards,

=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Diego Dujovn= e

Review
1. First, I woud say that secti= ons 3, 4 and 5 are mostly concentrated on=C2=A0
the packet replic= ation process. this text can be mostly removed
by referring to th= e pre-requisites draft on 6tisch.
2. "no TLV have been" should be "no TLV has been"= ;
3. = "option is= included is shown" should be "option is included, is shown"
4. "is shown further=C2=A0expanded" sho= uld be "is= shown expanded= "
5. The idea "It does not make sense for this inform= ation to be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0aggregated due to the scalability issue created=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by the space required for many IPv6 addresses. =C2=A0
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Therefore, the PS MUST NOT be aggregated." is not=C2=A0= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0clear. can you rephrase this expression? Why should<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0aggregation be considered first?
6. "For reasons of= clarity," -> "For clarity reasons,"






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Facultad de Ingenier= =C3=ADa - Universidad Diego Portales - Chile
www.ingenieria.udp.cl
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--000000000000087579057877ae18-- From nobody Thu Oct 18 20:14:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27411130DE3; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:14:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <153991886213.22204.5048309822167310385@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 20:14:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-05.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 03:14:22 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Asymmetric AODV-P2P-RPL in Low-Power and Lossy Networks (LLNs) Authors : Satish Anamalamudi Mingui Zhang Charles E. Perkins S.V.R Anand Bing Liu Filename : draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-05.txt Pages : 25 Date : 2018-10-18 Abstract: Route discovery for symmetric and asymmetric Point-to-Point (P2P) traffic flows is a desirable feature in Low power and Lossy Networks (LLNs). For that purpose, this document specifies a reactive P2P route discovery mechanism for both hop-by-hop routing and source routing: Ad Hoc On-demand Distance Vector Routing (AODV) based RPL protocol. Paired Instances are used to construct directional paths, in case some of the links between source and target node are asymmetric. 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Mon, 22 Oct 2018 06:20:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 15:20:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000111abb0578d11de1" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Review of draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-02 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 13:20:26 -0000 --000000000000111abb0578d11de1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Diego, thank you very much for the review! I will respond to each comment inline.. Best, Aris On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:38 AM Prof. Diego Dujovne < diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote: > Dear all, > This is the review of draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-02. > Regards, > > Diego Dujovne > > Review > 1. First, I woud say that sections 3, 4 and 5 are mostly concentrated on > the packet replication process. this text can be mostly removed > by referring to the pre-requisites draft on 6tisch. > This is true. Since draft-papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs has matured I think I will more carefully review it and keep the minimal amount of contextual information required for this draft to be somewhat individually readable, and will refer to draft-papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs for the rest. > 2. "no TLV have been" should be "no TLV has been" > Thanks, fixed. > 3. "option is included is shown" should be "option is included, is shown" > Thanks, fixed. > 4. "is shown further expanded" should be "is shown expanded" > Thanks, fixed. 5. The idea "It does not make sense for this information to be > aggregated due to the scalability issue created > by the space required for many IPv6 addresses. > Therefore, the PS MUST NOT be aggregated." is not > clear. can you rephrase this expression? Why should > aggregation be considered first? > Thanks, when we changed from using a metric to using a constraint I missed this. I have removed it, it makes no sense for constraints. > 6. "For reasons of clarity," -> "For clarity reasons," > Thanks, fixed. > > > > > > > -- > DIEGO DUJOVNE > Profesor Asociado > Escuela de Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunicaciones > Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa - Universidad Diego Portales - Chile > www.ingenieria.udp.cl > (56 2) 676 8125 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000111abb0578d11de1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Diego,
thank you very much for the review!
I will respond to ea= ch comment inline..

Best,
Aris
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On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 4:3= 8 AM Prof. Diego Dujovne <d= iego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl> wrote:
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Dear all,=C2= =A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 This is the review of= =C2=A0draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-02.
Regards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Diego Dujovne

Review
1. Fi= rst, I woud say that sections 3, 4 and 5 are mostly concentrated on=C2=A0
the packet replication process. this text can be mostly removed
by referring to the pre-requisites draft on 6tisch.
This is= true. Since draft-papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs has matured I think I will = more carefully review it and keep the minimal amount of contextual informat= ion required for this draft to be somewhat individually readable, and will = refer to draft-papadopoulos-6tisch-pre-reqs for the rest.
=C2= =A0
2. "no T= LV have been" should be "no TLV has been"
Thanks, fixed.
=
=C2=A0
3. "opti= on is included is shown" should be "option is included, is shown"
Thanks, fixed.
=C2=A0
4. "is shown further=C2=A0expanded" should be "is shown expanded"
Thanks, fixed= .

5. The idea "It does not make sense for this inform= ation to be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0aggregated due to the scalability issue created=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by the space required for many IPv6 addresses. =C2=A0
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Therefore, the PS MUST NOT be aggregated." is not=C2=A0= =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0clear. can you rephrase this expression? Why should<= br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0aggregation be considered first?
Thanks, when we chan= ged from using a metric to using a constraint I missed this. I have removed= it, it makes no sense for constraints.
=C2=A0
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6. "For r= easons of clarity," -> "For clarity reasons,"
Thank= s, fixed.
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a preliminary agenda is available and attached.
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Can all presenters send their presentation (preferably .pdf) to me and Ines before Friday 2 November Many thanks, Peter + Ines -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_bc1a1bb5ce2946045dcd7c7f041426cc Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Dear Roll,

The ROLL WG meeting is immediately on Monday morning= =2E
Can all presenters send their presentation (preferably .pdf) to me= and Ines
before Friday 2 November

Many thanks,

= Peter + Ines
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