From nobody Sat Nov 3 20:35:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCA3130DC2; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:35:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nMxaHW1SEVQL; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 958A6128B14; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:35:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 969D9B8161A; Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:35:44 -0700 (PDT) To: yasuyuki.tanaka@inria.fr, pthubert@cisco.com, cabo@tzi.org, Laurent.Toutain@IMT-Atlantique.fr, robert.cragie@arm.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 30:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: aretana.ietf@gmail.com, iesg@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20181104033544.969D9B8161A@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 20:35:44 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC8138 (5403) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2018 03:35:58 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC8138, "IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) Routing Header". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid5403 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Editorial Reported by: Yasuyuki Tanaka Date Reported: 2018-06-21 Held by: Alvaro Retana (IESG) Section: 5.2.3. Original Text ------------- This is encoded as S/DAC = 1 and S/AM=11. Corrected Text -------------- This is encoded as S/DAC = 1 and S/DAM=11. Notes ----- The corrected part refers to SAM and DAM defined in Section 3.1.1 of RFC 6282 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6282#section-3.1.1) -------------------------------------- RFC8138 (draft-ietf-roll-routing-dispatch-05) -------------------------------------- Title : IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) Routing Header Publication Date : April 2017 Author(s) : P. Thubert, Ed., C. Bormann, L. Toutain, R. 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--000000000000eaccb80579d72e93-- From nobody Mon Nov 5 05:09:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B119C130DD3; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 05:09:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Peter Van der Stok To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, iesg-secretary@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org, Peter Van der Stok , consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: <154142338072.9331.1558442123238525884.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 05:09:40 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-09 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 13:09:41 -0000 Peter Van der Stok has requested publication of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-09 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the ROLL working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao/ From nobody Tue Nov 6 04:21:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD4AB130DED for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:21:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3JU8M47cEwep for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8D84412958B for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 04:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 4CE9AFA29116A for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:21:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLREML703-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.172) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.46) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:21:42 +0000 Received: from BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.9.201]) by blreml703-cah.china.huawei.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 17:51:26 +0530 From: Rahul Arvind Jadhav To: Roll Thread-Topic: Traffic aware OF -03 review Thread-Index: AdR1xCKzoTeRE2MYQXmIb7UfOTDIcw== Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 12:21:25 +0000 Message-ID: <982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DCE9361@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-IN, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.126.174.199] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DCE9361BLREML503MBXchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Traffic aware OF -03 review X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 12:21:47 -0000 --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DCE9361BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Authors-of-TAOF, Network lifetime is a known problem in the space and I am glad to see somet= hing been done in the context. Following are some thoughts I have: 1. Handling Config: DIO may need to carry OF configuration parameters= .. i.e. all the nodes need to agree on the unit for e.g. for THROUGHPUT_PE= RIOD defined in the draft. It is necessary that all the nodes agree on the = time unit. During ROLL session, Pascal mentioned that parent oscillations should be av= oided and suggested use of multiple parents while the transition is in prog= ress. Another way to handle this is to involve hysteresis in this draft and= give guidelines/recommendations for configuring thresholds. 2. Certain deployments have roughly similar data stream generated fro= m all nodes .. for e.g. metering.. Current draft requires throughtput measu= rement on 6LRs .. In all cases this throughput calc may not be required .. = But there is still a case to balance the network nonetheless .. Is it possi= ble to consider balancing based on the sub-dodag size rooted at 6lr (natura= lly works only for storing MOP) ? In this sense, the work qasem-load-balanc= ing was trying to do was similar considering nodes have similar traffic pat= terns. 3. Section 6: There are several bits that needs to be defined in cont= ext for every routing metric (as per 6551) .. These are P, C, O, R, A bits.= It is better you clarify the bits in RT context. I am specifically interes= ted in understanding in how to handle this metric at multiple hops. How to = do additive RT metric? 4. I don't understand why enrollment aspect was brought (this was not= present in earlier draft) .. The relay chosen during enrollment and parent= chosen during routing could be different. Enrollment can choose a differen= t set of metrics from routing.. Enrollment of nodes happens few times durin= g the lifetime of the device. The metrics enrollment could consider could b= e completely different from routing metrics. Regards, Rahul --_000_982B626E107E334DBE601D979F31785C5DCE9361BLREML503MBXchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Authors-of-TAOF,

 

Network lifetime is a known problem in the space and= I am glad to see something been done in the context. Following are some th= oughts I have:

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1.     &= nbsp; Handling Config: DIO may need to carry OF configura= tion parameters .. i.e. all the nodes need to agree on the unit for e.g. fo= r THROUGHPUT_PERIOD defined in the draft. It is necessary that all the node= s agree on the time unit.

During ROLL session, Pascal mentioned that pa= rent oscillations should be avoided and suggested use of multiple parents w= hile the transition is in progress. Another way to handle this is to involv= e hysteresis in this draft and give guidelines/recommendations for configuring thresholds.

2.     &= nbsp; Certain deployments have roughly similar data strea= m generated from all nodes .. for e.g. metering.. Current draft requires th= roughtput measurement on 6LRs .. In all cases this throughput calc may not = be required .. But there is still a case to balance the network nonetheless .. Is it possible to consider ba= lancing based on the sub-dodag size rooted at 6lr (naturally works only for= storing MOP) ? In this sense, the work qasem-load-balancing was trying to = do was similar considering nodes have similar traffic patterns.

3.     &= nbsp; Section 6: There are several bits that needs to be = defined in context for every routing metric (as per 6551) .. These are P, C= , O, R, A bits. It is better you clarify the bits in RT context. I am speci= fically interested in understanding in how to handle this metric at multiple hops. How to do additive RT metri= c?

4.     &= nbsp; I don’t understand why enrollment aspect was = brought (this was not present in earlier draft) .. The relay chosen during = enrollment and parent chosen during routing could be different. Enrollment = can choose a different set of metrics from routing.. Enrollment of nodes happens few times during the lifetime o= f the device. The metrics enrollment could consider could be completely dif= ferent from routing metrics.

 

Regards,

Rahul

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Dear al= l,

First of all, MILLION THANKS to Dominique for being t= he minute taker, and to Rahul and Michael for being the Jabber Scriber. :)<= /div>

Please find the minute of the IETF 103 in the link= =C2=A0below:


Comments welcome, before=C2=A02018= -11-30 (Friday).

Additionally, find below a link= =C2=A0 that include the updated=C2=A0 ROLL-BIER slide set. Apologizes for t= he inconveniences.


Thank you,

Ine= s and Peter.
--000000000000cb4dbb057ac33d7b-- From nobody Tue Nov 27 01:32:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A04841292AD for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:32:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aRWMbnbZm0CZ for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtprelay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0200.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.200]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 353C7127B4C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 01:32:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from filter.hostedemail.com (clb03-v110.bra.tucows.net [216.40.38.60]) by smtprelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDBA8100E86C5 for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:32:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Session-Marker: 73746F6B636F6E73406262686D61696C2E6E6C X-Spam-Summary: 50, 0, 0, , d41d8cd98f00b204, stokcons@bbhmail.nl, :, RULES_HIT:41:72:152:355:379:582:800:962:967:969:973:983:988:989:1152:1189:1208:1212:1221:1260:1263:1313:1314:1345:1381:1431:1436:1437:1516:1517:1518:1534:1541:1575:1588:1589:1592:1594:1711:1714:1730:1776:1792:2068:2069:2198:2199:2525:2557:2561:2566:2682:2685:2829:2859:2909:2933:2937:2939:2942:2945:2947:2951:2954:3022:3138:3139:3140:3141:3142:3350:3586:3769:3865:3866:3867:3868:3871:3872:3873:3874:3934:3936:3938:3941:3944:3947:3950:3953:3956:3959:4250:4321:4560:4659:5007:6261:6298:6657:6659:7903:8603:8660:9010:9015:9025:9177:9388:10004:10215:10400:10848:11232:11658:11914:12043:12114:12555:12679:12740:12895:12986:13139:13148:13199:13229:13230:13439:13846:14093:14096:14181:14721:21080:21212:21433:21451:21625:21691:21740:30018:30048:30054:30060, 0, RBL:error, CacheIP:none, Bayesian:0.5, 0.5, 0.5, Netcheck:none, DomainCache:0, MSF:not bulk, SPF:fn, MSBL:0, DNSBL:neutral, Custom_rules:0:0:0, LFtime:27, LUA_SUMMARY:none X-HE-Tag: drug56_12b9d9b91fc51 X-Filterd-Recvd-Size: 3559 Received: from mail.bbhmail.nl (imap-ext [216.40.42.5]) (Authenticated sender: webmail@stokcons@bbhmail.nl) by omf12.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:32:08 +0000 (UTC) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_b56668918b23a3d9f7d596638f3b43ee" Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 10:32:08 +0100 From: Peter van der Stok To: Roll Organization: vanderstok consultancy Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Mail-Reply-To: consultancy@vanderstok.org Message-ID: X-Sender: stokcons@bbhmail.nl User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.7 X-Originating-IP: [5.206.216.229] Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] call for adoption draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 09:32:13 -0000 --=_b56668918b23a3d9f7d596638f3b43ee Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Dear all, > > This is a call for adoption of the draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-04, it runs from 11-26-2018 to 01-11-2019. > > html: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-04 > > Please let us know whether you support this work or not - we got during IETF 103 good support for adoption and now we request confirmation of that by mailing list -. > > Thanks, > > Ines and Peter. > > PS. Apologies for multiple messages; There are problems with reception of Roll ML messages. Peter -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_b56668918b23a3d9f7d596638f3b43ee Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
Dear all, 
 
This is a call for adoption of the draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-ex= tension-04, it runs from 11-26-2018 to 01-11-2019.  
 
 
Please let us know whether you support this work or not - we got durin= g IETF 103 good support for adoption and now we request confirmation of tha= t by mailing list -. 
 
Thanks,
 
Ines and Peter.

PS. Apologies for multiple messages; There = are problems with reception of Roll ML messages.

Peter
--
= Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanders= tok.org
tel NL: +31(0)492474673     F: +33(0)= 966015248
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I support the adoption of this draft.
Re= gards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Diego


El mar., 27 de nov. de 2018 06:32= , Peter van der Stok <stokcons@bb= hmail.nl> escribi=C3=B3:
Dear all,=C2=A0
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This is a call for adoption of the=C2=A0draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-ex= tension-04, it runs from 11-26-2018 to 01-11-2019.=C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0
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Please let us know whether you support this work or not - we got durin= g IETF 103 good support for adoption and now we request confirmation of tha= t by mailing list -.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Thanks,
=C2=A0
Ines and Peter.

PS. Apologies for multiple messages; There are = problems with reception of Roll ML messages.

Peter
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi aodv-rpl co-authors, I promised to do a quick review of the document before passing it to the shepherd. The document reads rather smoothly, and seems to be complete. Question: are there any implementations, and has there been an interop? I vaguely remember the subject being mentioned, but do not remember the answer. I like the appendix A, it helps enormously to understand the bidirectional asymmetric link concept. Major question: what is the relation with 6997 P2P-RPL. Does this document replace RFC 6997. To me it seems that in the case of symmetric links only, AODV-RPL degrades to P2P-RPL. Probably not in an interoperable way given the different MOP etc. May be you can explain your ideas in this respect. RFC 6997 is "experimental" to go to STD when more experience was gained. Does that also apply to this document, or is there an operational direct need identified. Should 5548, 5673, 5826, 5867 not go to informational; you don't need them to implement the spec. Last but not least: section 10 security Considerations is more than terse; I am afraid that the security review will judge this inadequate. You can look what has been done in the npdao draft; but I cannot guarantee that this is sufficient. The MANET WG has been active in describing threats in RFC 7985; may be you can find inspiration there to categorize the problems and identify the ones applying to AODV-RPL. Some minor syntactical things that hit my eye. You never write out RPL, although the other acronyms have been honored as such. In section 1 the term TargNode appears all of the sudden; suggest to use Target Node in section 1. You use application-specific routing and P2P routing; what is the difference? section 3: s/established are/are established/ section 6.1: s/increse/increase/ s/previous/previously/ s/increased number/sequence number/ Greetings, and thanks for the work, Peter -- Peter van der Stok vanderstok consultancy mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl www: www.vanderstok.org [1] tel NL: +31(0)492474673 F: +33(0)966015248 Links: ------ [1] http://www.vanderstok.org --=_d5512b484225a806588a9e436e2cb0bd Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Hi aodv-rpl co-authors,

I promised to do a quick review of the d= ocument before passing it to the shepherd.

The document reads ra= ther smoothly, and seems to be complete.
Question: are there any imple= mentations, and has there been an interop? I vaguely remember the subject b= eing mentioned, but do not remember the answer.

I like the appen= dix A, it helps enormously to understand the bidirectional asymmetric link = concept.

Major question: what is the relation with 6997 P2P-RPL= =2E 
Does this document replace RFC 6997. To me it seems that in = the case of symmetric links only, AODV-RPL degrades to P2P-RPL. Probably no= t in an interoperable way given the different MOP etc.
May be you can = explain your ideas in this respect.
RFC 6997 is "experimental" to go = to STD when more experience was gained.
Does that also apply to this d= ocument, or is there an operational direct need identified.

Shou= ld 5548, 5673, 5826, 5867 not go to informational; you don't need them to i= mplement the spec.

Last but not least: section 10 security Consi= derations is more than terse; I am afraid that the security review will jud= ge this inadequate. You can look what has been done in the npdao draft; but= I cannot guarantee that this is sufficient.
The MANET WG has been act= ive in describing threats in RFC 7985; may be you can find inspiration ther= e to categorize the problems and identify the ones applying to AODV-RPL.
Some minor syntactical things that hit my eye.

You neve= r write out RPL, although the other acronyms have been honored as such.
In section 1 the term TargNode appears all of the sudden; suggest to use = Target Node in section 1.
You use application-specific routing and P2P= routing; what is the difference?
section 3: s/established are/are est= ablished/
section 6.1: s/increse/increase/
s/previous/previously/=
s/increased number/sequence number/

Greetings,
and t= hanks for the work,

Peter
--
= Peter van der Stok
vanderstok consultancy
mailto: consultancy@vanderstok.org, stokcons@bbhmail.nl
www: www.vanders= tok.org
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On 29 Nov 2018, at 09:47, dominique.barthel@orange.com wrote:

Hello all,

I support adopting this draft.
It is very useful in wireless meshed environment to help = achieving some delivery reliability at moderate cost.
Best regards,

Dominique

De : Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Peter van der Stok = <stokcons@bbhmail.nl>
Soci=C3=A9t=C3=A9 : = vanderstok consultancy
R=C3=A9pondre =C3=A0 : = "consultancy@vanderstok.org" <consultancy@vanderstok.org>, "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Date : Tuesday = 27 November 2018 10:32
=C3=80 : "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Objet : [Roll] = call for adoption draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension

Dear all, 
 
This is a call for adoption of = the draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extension-04, it runs from = 11-26-2018 to 01-11-2019.  
 
html: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-koutsiamanis-roll-nsa-extensi= on-04
 
Please let us know whether you support this work or not = - we got during IETF 103 good support for adoption and now we request = confirmation of that by mailing list -. 
 
Thanks,
 
Ines and Peter.

PS. Apologies for multiple messages; There are problems with reception = of Roll ML messages.

Peter
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