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Ines, please check and accept the PR. Thanks, Rahul ________________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of IESG Secretary Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM To: IETF-Announce Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14 The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC. Agenda: Draft Agenda: - Configuration Option structure - Capabilities unaware 6LR - Bidirectional Capabilities representation Information about remote participation: Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex Hosted by ROLL WG Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada) Meeting number: 319 527 168 Password: pxT5tCu6 https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 3= 19 527 168 https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_BM1PR01MB2612F3BFD5A983BD33B22754A9950BM1PR01MB2612INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all, 

The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2
Please let me know if anything is missed.
Ines, please check and accept the PR.

Thanks,
Rahul


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Dear all,

We did not get any negative f= eedback on the proposed modifications, then we will move forward with=C2=A0= = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16

Thank you,

Ines and Peter

On= Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 7:08 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > To generate rfcdiff https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff<= /a> please use:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao vs.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/pthuber= t/efficient-route-invalidation/master/draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao.txt

I read the changes, and I agree.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
=C2=A0-=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-



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--0000000000007c8cc605948b6bbb-- From nobody Fri Oct 11 07:56:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312B2120073 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:56:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.935 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.935 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSQ4p4ct4GmJ for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:56:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EAA912003F for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 07:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (x52716a1a.dyn.telefonica.de [82.113.106.26]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 694A31F456 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:56:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id E639A34CC; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 16:56:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Richardson To: roll@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 16:56:52 +0200 Message-ID: <11891.1570805812@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] naming and other goals for RPL Unaware Leaves X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 14:56:10 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At the virtual interim a few weeks ago, Pascal and I discussed different possible goals for the documents. Some of the confusion comes down to mis-understandings resulting from the choices of names. Let me go through a series of descriptions and connect some terms as I can = to them. 1) Host. It was Carsten who first pointed that things that do not route are hosts, and RFC8504 says what a host is supposed to do. RFC8504 does not say anything about being able to decapsulate IP(dst:me)= IP(dst:me) packets. I tried to get that in, but 6man was rather hostile to this. RFC8504 also says nothing about supporting 6lowpan stuff! 2) 6lowpan host. Everything from (1), plus ability to do rfc4944: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.15.4 Networks which means doing some amount of header compression. Does it include any of: rfc6775: Neighbor Discovery Optimization for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs)=20 rfc7400: 6LoWPAN-GHC: Generic Header Compression for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Networks rfc8025: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) Paging Dispatch rfc8066: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) ESC Dispatch Code Points and Guidelines rfc8505: Registration Extensions for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Person= al Area Network (6LoWPAN) Neighbor Discovery rfc8138: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) Routing Header=20 I have no idea. If someone says a product does "rfc6775", then 4944 is clearly included. Some of the more recent radios (DECT) may have nailed down that they need additional things, but I didn't check. 3) RPL host. Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *AWARE* host (because = it speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host (because it does not speak 6550). It being a host, it is by definition a leaf. We are we want is a definition which includes: A) All the stuff above which we were uncertain about. Specifically, we really want RFC8505 and RFC6775 to be supported. Specifically, EARO with the TID. =20=20=20=20=20=20 B) We want these devices to ignore RPI and RH3 headers according rfc8200, as useofrplinfo envisions. =20=20=20=20=20=20 C) We want these devices to accept IP(dst:me),headers,IP(dst:me) constru= cts, as it simplies the useofrplinfo situation for storing mode. But, we have some ways to work around this in the 6LR in storing mode, but it is a spec change. D) Ideally, these hosts would send IPv6 packets with an RPI header alrea= dy inserted. This eliminates the need to do an IPIP encapsulation at the first 6LR. A typical example of such a device is a window smash sensor that might be part of a (home) security system. When installed, it might be provision= ed with some cable for power and control. Then, having sent out an EARO/TID to register with the 6LR/6LBR, it goes into a deep sleep, waking up perhaps weekly or monthly. If the window is smashed, it send packets, probably until the battery runs dry. If it is re-used, it is effectively refurbished with a new battery and rejoins as if it was a new device. =20=20=20 There are other examples of sleepy devices which would never be able to forward packets. 4) 6LR with incompatible MOP, or other handicap. Such a device is forced by the rules of 6550 to join the network as a le= af. It is unclear to me if it is allowed to send DAOs for itself, or if it h= as to use ND like (3) above. Clearly it listens to DIOs, because that's how it learnt that it couldn't join as a router. The key thing is that it does not emit DIOs, and thus never attracts any children. {It is distinguished from a 6LR which just happens to be leaf, because there are no children that have picked it as a parent. Such a 6LR sends out peridic DIOs according trickle} =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I would have called (2), RPL Unaware Leaves, and I would have called (3) RPL Aware Leaves. Pascal calls (1) RPL Unaware Leaves, and (2) are RPL Aware Leaves (I think). Well, maybe my description is wrong! Flame away! =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 =20=20=20 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl2gmDQACgkQlUzhVv38 QpCzJQf9Efdx5nl5C9SPfZyzR4NrT430B3gruWuqDkwHwF8Q3rLU2OLE5yVdSrsD Rq2XAoQMHU9401xgs0SvSXyE3oeREPZjNoxr4bwIXOF/dSh+2QiSwRBFm+9ityUD /JrhvXHaNTWirehVuZNq7OIVyYotN6CA64iw+FRq4FQ/Jq6V8XGWUci3sDrSDKz8 +g0hnDYSpwoQB/+7yTg5SHA3Zfg3uhMD5m1A6gCNUrniK8fuAFMufqyKhYHbvfYl 3TVGUay+P+ehH8kmIdnH0PThTFw4j3TgwAAgHce1ZUFU2dNACnhiC8KyGW79l5KH Rh3I2A5avhY668YiQwj4dNkbc4CL9Q== =mXFt -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Oct 11 08:57:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A88812008D for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aoc7TFBddkfz for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-x330.google.com (mail-ot1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B83A120013 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x330.google.com with SMTP id 41so8359174oti.12 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:57:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=NbwAVqR2zSW0s5dWwXKo2DSA8HHZuDBvX5jfnj1WmGU=; b=jehU4ss0wyWT7Y++3KJJLs9TG5K7/xCw6Qpk95wWCXCdc8aPvzoOtnpiuuMjTTiIhv 4ACoaTPTx5mUiaHmjtP5R9OFzUIUFiTeSzEbR/wKO+951KuRD3Ylmbv/wvnlm51Yuhx5 s3yMdUADRGjJgljS1WYPv143H3BFZnq/jcYCwTxSbippAWSK2d53ECJY6hI7Kla1Xf+M QLceSuqXgN0aLeFwTAJwSoP+fBZtWe6mZLEPqvPfoeZxgW0AC5mZKvLdD9Wbe5nRzWli q6IkpiSU2VpxOSt2NICqc5GtyOev76w3ROz1s03VRqnkWacJQEAl0V/0mXJao2AcdWu7 urmA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=NbwAVqR2zSW0s5dWwXKo2DSA8HHZuDBvX5jfnj1WmGU=; b=G3N7Pft9hHHqXOgtUR9TstAT3Wrmbo3YipkbyPiX3SO41bfN3UGEJajq3HuNapn2u2 Uf56MiBb/mBdUlgjciH4BajgiFjT7VgSUVBX6Mbqkz/qEq1uW72VHF/sntK7mreJZwT9 AZ5QOgJnMA+zidX4r9wlXObCMBCw7SliM3T4ZzmQATJghLSLPNMj3qPN54HPM9tFJBlR /HHlARlz1uWXEWlFgoqD9PQPig3Y9Qj+tboD/+4k+uVLO/IpmbO9zJ/DAL3kA4QpjV9+ X9ImdhW3WoCTKAygyOmtXqipOxTn6IOxr5J7wL7Gy+3TaQ3jGqmkXwJfxs7I5B57CsAE EDXg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVCoL8+Ai8XnukZkqHoQbd+hRSelBJG2CY4cE7o6R0qU0OSNN8a kcrTWH94B5WWdGfvWje5cqEu0+YVz1dchdSFZ+aAUQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyoFUyfpVzZKxSJC1a6z8cBeOhYRNgRbNXU6dlsr25eXi2BU6hQR30NQROZc4m5Bvclp/IX+lTIkBmz0+MEP7A= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5f16:: with SMTP id f22mr12423651oti.13.1570809445131; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 08:57:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <11891.1570805812@dooku.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <11891.1570805812@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:56:56 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fcac0a0594a492bd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] naming and other goals for RPL Unaware Leaves X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 15:57:30 -0000 --000000000000fcac0a0594a492bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Micheal, I prefer that we stick to IPv6 host definitions (rfc4861 and all its updates), so it can be aware and unaware of such addition protocol as you mentioned. More comments below, On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 4:56 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > At the virtual interim a few weeks ago, Pascal and I discussed different > possible goals for the documents. Some of the confusion comes down to > mis-understandings resulting from the choices of names. > > Let me go through a series of descriptions and connect some terms as I can > to > them. > > 1) Host. It was Carsten who first pointed that things that do not route are > hosts, and RFC8504 says what a host is supposed to do. > RFC8504 does not say anything about being able to decapsulate > IP(dst:me)IP(dst:me) > packets. I tried to get that in, but 6man was rather hostile to this. > RFC8504 also says nothing about supporting 6lowpan stuff! > I think that is ok no problem or confusion as long we follow IPv6 host definitions [RFC4861 and its updates]. > > 2) 6lowpan host. > Everything from (1), plus ability to do > rfc4944: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.15.4 Networks > > which means doing some amount of header compression. > that is an addition protocol that is in the use case of such subnet IEEE802.15.4 which LLN may have other subnets with other protocols. > > Does it include any of: > > rfc6775: Neighbor Discovery Optimization for IPv6 over Low-Power > Wireless > Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs) > rfc7400: 6LoWPAN-GHC: Generic Header Compression for IPv6 over Low-Power > Wireless Personal Area Networks > rfc8025: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) > Paging Dispatch > rfc8066: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) > ESC > Dispatch Code Points and Guidelines > rfc8505: Registration Extensions for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless > Personal > Area Network (6LoWPAN) Neighbor Discovery > rfc8138: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) > Routing Header > > I have no idea. If someone says a product does "rfc6775", then 4944 is > clearly included. Some of the more recent radios (DECT) may have > nailed > down that they need additional things, but I didn't check. > I think those standards are special for WPAN in general but mostly direct in the eyes of IEEE802.15.4, however we need to make WPAN general the local area network of LLN and not the IEEE802 subnet. > > 3) RPL host. > Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *AWARE* host (because > it > speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host (because it does not > speak 6550). It being a host, it is by definition a leaf. > It is an IPv6 host and then a RPL leaf, so YES, it is better to say/call-it * RPL leaf * because not all IPv6 hosts are RPL leaf, so using to call it RPL leaf is perfect and short. using aware and unaware is not needed because it is better to call unaware RPL host by IPv6 host. > > We are we want is a definition which includes: > A) All the stuff above which we were uncertain about. Specifically, we > really want RFC8505 and RFC6775 to be supported. > Specifically, EARO with the TID. > > B) We want these devices to ignore RPI and RH3 headers according > rfc8200, > as useofrplinfo envisions. > > C) We want these devices to accept IP(dst:me),headers,IP(dst:me) > constructs, > as it simplies the useofrplinfo situation for storing mode. But, > we have some ways to work around this in the 6LR in storing mode, but > it is a spec change. > > D) Ideally, these hosts would send IPv6 packets with an RPI header > already > inserted. This eliminates the need to do an IPIP encapsulation at > the > first 6LR. > I this the RPL leaf can be called by such mode of operation or some kind of classification, > > A typical example of such a device is a window smash sensor that might > be > part of a (home) security system. When installed, it might be > provisioned > with some cable for power and control. Then, having sent out an > EARO/TID > to register with the 6LR/6LBR, it goes into a deep sleep, waking up > perhaps weekly or monthly. If the window is smashed, it send packets, > probably until the battery runs dry. If it is re-used, it is > effectively > refurbished with a new battery and rejoins as if it was a new device. > > There are other examples of sleepy devices which would never be able to > forward packets. > > 4) 6LR with incompatible MOP, or other handicap. > > Such a device is forced by the rules of 6550 to join the network as a > leaf. > It is unclear to me if it is allowed to send DAOs for itself, or if it > has > to use ND like (3) above. Clearly it listens to DIOs, because that's > how > it learnt that it couldn't join as a router. The key thing is that it > does not emit DIOs, and thus never attracts any children. > I was voting in the past to re-write RFC6550, but the WG directed to continue with, I still think to obsolete it with another new draft to solve/clarify such issues. AB --000000000000fcac0a0594a492bd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Micheal,
I p= refer that we stick to IPv6 host definitions (rfc4861 and all its updates),= so it can be aware and unaware of such addition protocol as you mentioned.= More comments below,

On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 4:56 PM Michael Richardson= <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca&g= t; wrote:

At the virtual interim a few weeks ago, Pascal and I discussed different possible goals for the documents.=C2=A0 Some of the confusion comes down to=
mis-understandings resulting from the choices of names.

Let me go through a series of descriptions and connect some terms as I can = to
them.

1) Host. It was Carsten who first pointed that things that do not route are=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0hosts, and RFC8504 says what a host is supposed to do.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8504 does not say anything about being able to decapsulate = IP(dst:me)IP(dst:me)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0packets.=C2=A0 I tried to get that in, but 6man was rather hos= tile to this.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8504 also says nothing about supporting 6lowpan stuff!
<= /blockquote>
=C2=A0
I think that is ok no problem or confusio= n as long we follow IPv6 host definitions [RFC4861 and its updates].=C2=A0<= /div>

2) 6lowpan host.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Everything from (1), plus ability to do
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rfc4944: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.15= .4 Networks

=C2=A0 =C2=A0which means doing some amount of header compression.
=C2=A0
that is an addition protocol that is in the us= e case of such subnet IEEE802.15.4 which LLN may have other subnets with ot= her protocols.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Does it include any of:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc6775: Neighbor Discovery Optimization for IPv6 over Low-Pow= er Wireless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs)=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc7400: 6LoWPAN-GHC: Generic Header Compression for IPv6 over= Low-Power
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless Personal Area Networks =C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8025: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6= LoWPAN)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paging Dispatch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8066: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6= LoWPAN) ESC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dispatch Code Points and Guidelin= es
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8505: Registration Extensions for IPv6 over Low-Power Wirel= ess Personal
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Area Network (6LoWPAN) Neighbor D= iscovery
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8138: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6= LoWPAN)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Header

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have no idea.=C2=A0 If someone says a product does "rfc= 6775", then 4944 is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0clearly included.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Some of the more recent radios (= DECT) may have nailed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0down that they need additional things, but I didn't check.=

I think those standards are special fo= r WPAN in=C2=A0general=C2=A0but mostly=C2=A0direct in the=C2=A0eyes of =C2= =A0IEEE802.15.4, however we need to make WPAN general the local area networ= k of LLN and not the IEEE802 subnet.

3) RPL host.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *AWARE* host= (because it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host (because it d= oes not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0speak 6550).=C2=A0 It being a host, it is by definition a leaf= .
It is an IPv6 host and then a RPL leaf, so YES,=C2= =A0it is=C2=A0better to say/call-it *=C2=A0RPL leaf * because not all IPv6 = hosts are RPL leaf, so using to call it RPL leaf is perfect and short. usin= g aware and unaware is not needed because it is better to call unaware RPL = host by IPv6 host.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0We are we want is a definition which includes:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A) All the stuff above which we were uncertain about.=C2=A0 Sp= ecifically, we
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 really want RFC8505 and RFC6775 to be supported.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Specifically, EARO with the TID.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0B) We want these devices to ignore RPI and RH3 headers accordi= ng rfc8200,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 as useofrplinfo envisions.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0C) We want these devices to accept IP(dst:me),headers,IP(dst:m= e) constructs,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 as it simplies the useofrplinfo situation for storing = mode.=C2=A0 But,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 we have some ways to work around this in the 6LR in st= oring mode, but
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 it is a spec change.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0D) Ideally, these hosts would send IPv6 packets with an RPI he= ader already
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inserted.=C2=A0 This eliminates the need to do an IPIP= encapsulation at the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 first 6LR.

I this = the RPL leaf can be called by such mode of operation or some kind of classi= fication,
=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0A typical example of such a device is a window smash sensor th= at might be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0part of a (home) security system.=C2=A0 When installed, it mig= ht be provisioned
=C2=A0 =C2=A0with some cable for power and control.=C2=A0 Then, having sent= out an EARO/TID
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to register with the 6LR/6LBR, it goes into a deep sleep, waki= ng up
=C2=A0 =C2=A0perhaps weekly or monthly.=C2=A0 If the window is smashed, it = send packets,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0probably until the battery runs dry.=C2=A0 If it is re-used, i= t is effectively
=C2=A0 =C2=A0refurbished with a new battery and rejoins as if it was a new = device.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are other examples of sleepy devices which would never b= e able to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0forward packets.

4) 6LR with incompatible MOP, or other handicap.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Such a device is forced by the rules of 6550 to join the netwo= rk as a leaf.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is unclear to me if it is allowed to send DAOs for itself, = or if it has
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to use ND like (3) above.=C2=A0 Clearly it listens to DIOs, be= cause that's how
=C2=A0 =C2=A0it learnt that it couldn't join as a router.=C2=A0 The key= thing is that it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0does not emit DIOs, and thus never attracts any children.
<= /blockquote>

I was voting in the past to re-write RFC655= 0, but=C2=A0the WG directed to continue with, I still think to obsolete it = with another new draft to solve/clarify =C2=A0such issues.

AB
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DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:MN2PR11MB3839; H:MN2PR11MB3565.namprd11.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; A:1; MX:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: cisco.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: Ly20DTlpEjy/iq2suwPQKVB3Xfc4SYKLONjThJ+8rvNALr7CGuF+BGOVFkIzRCJ7nXvZLi1vIhbRXdkSjWDBmTR/zQUKFDQOBunTv/nwm/TJEHelGVajyiHkeGItCCC4ZJ2NJI8W/0JcNIs18ZYzqPu/67uuZA8Oh5UuUquUn+oYh2nV5bi0/VmNrDluiG7ZbY0IK2SaCTLRBORSDNU58rkPEaTy8SxnPZTYKb9OiWcmuLZh63WBoFFCqLhJy2REChXLeSpIi2Rab+Uu8j61eY1uC+nc/dvbpqBUfxd7jRA/VqDs7T7Pnm28EF0cmd9JrFikekwTn2DM/05L+XeJoI6aTumu2+ZABYsmx6at+QthjkH8zLx8NwRmMvbK3otM3Jd9XJVD6N1fMs1nLhKCRCwR75RVbl42gt0tCGSYLe5m+PKSjz60b0ktt9haltfCsJkP8gHAmo/1uM/AIVZbgQ== x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 6930e0fd-2994-4866-0b32-08d74e6e5424 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 11 Oct 2019 17:13:26.0062 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 5ae1af62-9505-4097-a69a-c1553ef7840e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: jcrP8traudOWWmR0hSpPxxdJeyKQhMkOHDXGYHNpHHBa6fk5ZP11/t63U3bPiAHPft7eNxDsTF+HZGWLO+7y9A== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR11MB3839 X-OriginatorOrg: cisco.com X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.18, xch-aln-008.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: alln-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] naming and other goals for RPL Unaware Leaves X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:13:33 -0000 Many thanks for the great description Michael! The art of RFC 6550: 1) a leaf is a node that connects to the RPL network as a host and obtained= reachability from the RPL domain=20 2) all leaves need to be RPL aware. This involves sending DAOs thus speakin= g RFC 6550. I wrote the first rounds of the RUL draft with the expectation that: - we define a new type of leaf that does 1) but not 2) . I called that guys= a RUL. Note well: the definition a pure ROLL definition; it is not related= to 6LoWPAN nor even IPv6, though currently RPL only applies to AF v6 and m= ostly in conjunction with 6LoWPAN. - the RUL draft applies to a specific family of RULs that supports RFC 8505= and plays it by the rules of the RUL draft - the RUL draft also lists dependencies on the RUL, e.g., support RFC 8200 = for handling RH and HbH as a host (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-r= oll-unaware-leaves-04#section-6).=20 - when the RUL draft is RFC-blah, the set of properties above is wrapped in= to a "RUL that supports RFC-blah", not sure we need a name for it, but we c= ould. That would be a definition that goes beyond ROLL. =20 If we want to change the above then the draft will need a rewrite according= ly because this definition is used pervasively. In contrast I called a leaf-that-is-not-a-RUL a RAL. =3D> A leaf is either = a RUL or a RAL nut not both. IOW {RUL} v {RAL} =3D {leaves} and {RUL} ^ {R= AL} =3D 0. So the term leaf was extended and the leaves that RFC 6550 prese= nted can still be named as RAL. Combining with a RPL router we obtain the R= AN, RPL aware node. The use of RPL info could use a name for "RUL that supports RFC-blah", beca= use it calls it a RUL right now. The problem is that this creates a normati= ve reference to the RUL draft and may delay useofrplinfo. OTOH, delaying ma= y be a good idea to ensure final consistency. What do others think? Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Roll On Behalf Of Michael Richardson Sent: vendredi 11 octobre 2019 16:57 To: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] naming and other goals for RPL Unaware Leaves At the virtual interim a few weeks ago, Pascal and I discussed different po= ssible goals for the documents. Some of the confusion comes down to mis-un= derstandings resulting from the choices of names. Let me go through a series of descriptions and connect some terms as I can = to them. 1) Host. It was Carsten who first pointed that things that do not route are hosts, and RFC8504 says what a host is supposed to do. RFC8504 does not say anything about being able to decapsulate IP(dst:me)= IP(dst:me) packets. I tried to get that in, but 6man was rather hostile to this. RFC8504 also says nothing about supporting 6lowpan stuff! 2) 6lowpan host. Everything from (1), plus ability to do rfc4944: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.15.4 Networks which means doing some amount of header compression. Does it include any of: rfc6775: Neighbor Discovery Optimization for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireles= s Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs)=20 rfc7400: 6LoWPAN-GHC: Generic Header Compression for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Networks rfc8025: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) Paging Dispatch rfc8066: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) ES= C Dispatch Code Points and Guidelines rfc8505: Registration Extensions for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Person= al Area Network (6LoWPAN) Neighbor Discovery rfc8138: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) Routing Header=20 I have no idea. If someone says a product does "rfc6775", then 4944 is clearly included. Some of the more recent radios (DECT) may have naile= d down that they need additional things, but I didn't check. 3) RPL host. Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *AWARE* host (because = it speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host (because it does not speak 6550). It being a host, it is by definition a leaf. We are we want is a definition which includes: A) All the stuff above which we were uncertain about. Specifically, we really want RFC8505 and RFC6775 to be supported. Specifically, EARO with the TID. =20 B) We want these devices to ignore RPI and RH3 headers according rfc8200= , as useofrplinfo envisions. =20 C) We want these devices to accept IP(dst:me),headers,IP(dst:me) constru= cts, as it simplies the useofrplinfo situation for storing mode. But, we have some ways to work around this in the 6LR in storing mode, but it is a spec change. D) Ideally, these hosts would send IPv6 packets with an RPI header alrea= dy inserted. This eliminates the need to do an IPIP encapsulation at th= e first 6LR. A typical example of such a device is a window smash sensor that might b= e part of a (home) security system. When installed, it might be provision= ed with some cable for power and control. Then, having sent out an EARO/TI= D to register with the 6LR/6LBR, it goes into a deep sleep, waking up perhaps weekly or monthly. If the window is smashed, it send packets, probably until the battery runs dry. If it is re-used, it is effectivel= y refurbished with a new battery and rejoins as if it was a new device. =20 There are other examples of sleepy devices which would never be able to forward packets. 4) 6LR with incompatible MOP, or other handicap. Such a device is forced by the rules of 6550 to join the network as a le= af. It is unclear to me if it is allowed to send DAOs for itself, or if it h= as to use ND like (3) above. Clearly it listens to DIOs, because that's ho= w it learnt that it couldn't join as a router. The key thing is that it does not emit DIOs, and thus never attracts any children. {It is distinguished from a 6LR which just happens to be leaf, because there are no children that have picked it as a parent. Such a 6LR sends out peridic DIOs according trickle} =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I would have called (2), RPL Unaware Leaves, and I would have called (3) RP= L Aware Leaves. Pascal calls (1) RPL Unaware Leaves, and (2) are RPL Aware Leaves (I think)= . Well, maybe my description is wrong! Flame away! --=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 =20 From nobody Fri Oct 11 13:17:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EBA51200A3 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:17:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0d5Ztrjo1l5f for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [176.58.120.209]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98C91120106 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 13:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (214-137-20-31.ftth.glasoperator.nl [31.20.137.214]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96E521F456 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:17:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id AE1BA3500; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:18:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: <11891.1570805812@dooku.sandelman.ca> Comments: In-reply-to "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" message dated "Fri, 11 Oct 2019 17:13:03 -0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 22:18:22 +0200 Message-ID: <22777.1570825102@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] naming and other goals for RPL Unaware Leaves X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 20:17:43 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > The art of RFC 6550: 1) a leaf is a node that connects to the RPL > network as a host and obtained reachability from the RPL domain 2) all > leaves need to be RPL aware. This involves sending DAOs thus speaking > RFC 6550. Agreed, but can you relate it to the categories I wrote about? > I wrote the first rounds of the RUL draft with the expectation that: - > we define a new type of leaf that does 1) but not 2) . So, this is my category: mcr> 3) RPL host. Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *A= WARE* mcr> host (because it speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host mcr> (because it does not speak 6550). It being a host, it is by defin= ition mcr> a leaf. Do others agree? I don't care what we call it. But, useofrplinfo used the term RUL to refer to category (2), not (3). If all leaves are (3) then from an RPL point of view, they require no speci= al care. If useofrplinfo can assume (3), which is a new thing, then can useofrplinfo= define (2), explain that are difficult to deal with, and remove support for them? If we go this way, then useofrplinfo winds up with a reference to unaware-leaves and has to wait for it to progress. Maybe we could change the word unaware to non-participating. Or maybe anti-social.=20=20=20 > In contrast I called a leaf-that-is-not-a-RUL a RAL. =3D> A leaf is > either a RUL or a RAL nut not both. IOW {RUL} v {RAL} =3D {leaves} and > {RUL} ^ {RAL} =3D 0. So the term leaf was extended and the leaves that > RFC 6550 presented can still be named as RAL. Combining with a RPL > router we obtain the RAN, RPL aware node. A RAL speaks RPL, but is just at the edge. Is it my category (4), or is it=20 > {It is distinguished from a 6LR which just happens to be leaf, > because there are no children that have picked it as a parent. 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Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-) Meeting Details: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Webex Details: Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) Meeting number: 319 527 168 Password: pxT5tCu6 https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 319 527 168 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Agenda: 0) Agenda Bashing 1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ 2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension and Capabilities - Configuration Option Structure - Cap unaware 6LR - Capabilities Option structure and semantics 4) AOB Thanks, Ines and Peter. On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Hello all, > > The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2 > Please let me know if anything is missed. > Ines, please check and accept the PR. > > Thanks, > Rahul > > > ________________________________________ > From: Roll on behalf of IESG Secretary < > iesg-secretary@ietf.org> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: roll@ietf.org > Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 > > The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will > hold > a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC. > > Agenda: > Draft Agenda: > > - Configuration Option structure > - Capabilities unaware 6LR > - Bidirectional Capabilities representation > > Information about remote participation: > Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex > Hosted by ROLL WG > Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern > Time (US & Canada) > Meeting number: 319 527 168 > Password: pxT5tCu6 > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec > Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: > 319 527 168 > > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --00000000000025b4c10594daf05f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,=C2=A0

This a remin= der of the interim meeting today.

Thank you very m= uch Rahul for the great slides set!! :-)

Meeting D= etails:

------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---

Webex Details:

Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 = minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319= 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
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Join by phone<= br>1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
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-----------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------------------

Etherpad: htt= ps://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014

-= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------

Agenda:

0) Agenda Bash= ing
1) Note Well https= ://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-m= opex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension and Capabilities

- Configura= tion Option Structure
- Cap unaware 6LR
- Capabilities Option structu= re and semantics

4) AOB

Thanks,

Ines and Peter.



On Wed, Oct = 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav <= nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello all,=C2=A0

The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR=C2=A0https://github.com/roll-wg/R= OLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2
Please let me know if anything is missed.
Ines, please check and accept the PR.

Thanks,
Rahul


________________________________________
From: Roll <r= oll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org&= gt;
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM
To: IETF-Announce
Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14

The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda:

- Configuration Option structure
- Capabilities unaware 6LR
- Bidirectional Capabilities representation

Information about remote participation:
Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex
Hosted by ROLL WG
Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec
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:-) > > Meeting Details: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Webex Details: > > Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern > Time (US & Canada) > Meeting number: 319 527 168 > Password: pxT5tCu6 > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec > > > Join by phone > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Access code: 319 527 168 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Etherpad: > https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Agenda: > > 0) Agenda Bashing > 1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ > 2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension > and Capabilities > > - Configuration Option Structure > - Cap unaware 6LR > - Capabilities Option structure and semantics > > 4) AOB > > Thanks, > > Ines and Peter. > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR >> https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2 >> Please let me know if anything is missed. >> Ines, please check and accept the PR. >> >> Thanks, >> Rahul >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Roll on behalf of IESG Secretary < >> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM >> To: IETF-Announce >> Cc: roll@ietf.org >> Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG >> Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 >> >> The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will >> hold >> a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC. >> >> Agenda: >> Draft Agenda: >> >> - Configuration Option structure >> - Capabilities unaware 6LR >> - Bidirectional Capabilities representation >> >> Information about remote participation: >> Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex >> Hosted by ROLL WG >> Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern >> Time (US & Canada) >> Meeting number: 319 527 168 >> Password: pxT5tCu6 >> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec >> Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: >> 319 527 168 >> >> https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> > --0000000000007d15d50594db1bf5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

The material for the meeting = can be found in:


Rega= rds

Ines

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 = AM Ines Robles <maria= inesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,=C2=A0
This a reminder of the interim meeting today.

Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-)

Meeting Details:

-----------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------

Webex Details:

Monday, Oct 14, 2= 019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Time (US & Canad= a)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf22e8e09dfa7a79ecc= c8646e17153ec


Join by phone
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll n= umber (US/Canada)
Access code: 319 527 168

----------------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------

Etherpad: https://etherpad.= ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014

---------------= ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------

Agenda:

0) Agenda Bashing
1) Note= Well h= ttps://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-ro= ll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension and Capabilities

- Confi= guration Option Structure
- Cap unaware 6LR
- Capabilities Option str= ucture and semantics

4) AOB

Thanks,

Ines and Peter.


On Wed, = Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello all,=C2=A0

The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR=C2=A0h= ttps://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2
Please let me know if anything is missed.
Ines, please check and accept the PR.

Thanks,
Rahul


________________________________________
From: Roll <r= oll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org&= gt;
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM
To: IETF-Announce
Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14

The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda:

- Configuration Option structure
- Capabilities unaware 6LR
- Bidirectional Capabilities representation

Information about remote participation:
Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex
Hosted by ROLL WG
Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec
Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 3= 19 527 168

https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting

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Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:56:39 +0000 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Thread-Topic: Following up on seq Counter to protect the config option and others Thread-Index: AdWCrxPZcTH2VHjHRxWHUI79NH4rSg== Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:56:23 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=pthubert@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [173.38.220.41] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: a0b41d83-65e8-4752-0f1f-08d750c77b8c x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MN2PR11MB3871: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8882; x-forefront-prvs: 01901B3451 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(4636009)(376002)(346002)(136003)(39860400002)(366004)(396003)(199004)(189003)(7736002)(486006)(476003)(86362001)(25786009)(74316002)(26005)(6116002)(3846002)(14454004)(790700001)(52536014)(5660300002)(71190400001)(71200400001)(478600001)(4744005)(6666004)(2906002)(256004)(33656002)(6436002)(6306002)(316002)(54896002)(9686003)(55016002)(102836004)(6506007)(66476007)(76116006)(7696005)(99286004)(66556008)(64756008)(66446008)(8676002)(66946007)(186003)(8936002)(6916009)(81156014)(81166006)(66066001); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all : At the interim today we refined the idea of a Sequence counter in a DIO tha= t increments when there is a change in a global option. For the lack of an acronym that results in SEAL, I'm using the RPL Configur= ation State Sequence (RCSS) for now. This concerns options that are fully set by the root and propagated unchang= ed. Seems that this means at this time: 1. The Route Information Option (RIO) 2. The Prefix Information Option (PIO) 3. The DODAG Configuration Option (DCO) 4. The Extended MOP Option (MOPex) 5. The Global Capabilities Option (GCO) Note that this also means that the capabilities have to be split between th= e parent capabilities (not protected) and the network-wide that are (item 5= above). The alternate is that the RCSS covers everything a parent advertises in whi= ch case it is not set by the root but by individual parents. Or do we need 2 counters? Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB3565FFC5F9C48EC4E7CAD65DD8900MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all :

 

At the interim today we refined= the idea of a Sequence counter in a DIO that increments when there is a ch= ange in a global option.

For the lack of an acronym that= results in SEAL, I’m using the RPL Configuration State Sequence (RCS= S) for now.

This concerns options that are = fully set by the root and propagated unchanged. Seems that this means at th= is time:

   

   1.  The = Route Information Option (RIO)

   2.  The Prefi= x Information Option (PIO)

   3.  The DODAG= Configuration Option (DCO)

   4.  The Exten= ded MOP Option (MOPex)

   5.  The Globa= l Capabilities Option (GCO)

 

Note that this also means that = the capabilities have to be split between the parent capabilities (not prot= ected) and the network-wide that are (item 5 above).

The alternate is that the RCSS = covers everything a parent advertises in which case it is not set by the ro= ot but by individual parents.

 

Or do we need 2 counters?<= /o:p>

 

Pascal

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Note that this also means that the capabilities have to be split between th= e parent capabilities (not protected) and the network-wide that are (item 5= above). The alternate is that the RCSS covers everything a parent advertises in whi= ch case it is not set by the root but by individual parents. [RJ] I think RCSS can be handled by individual parents (similar to DTSN in = storing MOP). The only problem would be that additional memory i.e., one by= te per parent would be required in this case. May not be a big problem sinc= e the parent set is limited in size. Or do we need 2 counters? [RJ] IMO, This won't be a good option, memory-wise or handling-wise. --_000_BM1PR01MB261263B41F4E94D9329CB698A9930BM1PR01MB2612INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Note that this also means that the capabilities have to be split between th= e parent capabilities (not protected) and the network-wide that are (item 5= above).

The alternate is that the RCSS covers everything a par= ent advertises in which case it is not set by the root but by individual pa= rents.


[RJ] I think RCSS can be handled by individual parents= (similar to DTSN in storing MOP). The only problem would be that additiona= l memory i.e., one byte per parent would be required in this case. May not = be a big problem since the parent set is limited in size.

 

Or do we need 2 counters?


[RJ] IMO, This won't be a good option, memory-wise or = handling-wise.

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Thanks, Rahul ________________________________ From: Ines Robles Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 9:00 AM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Cc: Rahul Jadhav ; peter van der Stok Subject: Re: REMINDER - WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 Dear all, The material for the meeting can be found in: https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting Regards Ines On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ines Robles > wrote: Dear all, This a reminder of the interim meeting today. Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-) Meeting Details: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------- Webex Details: Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada) Meeting number: 319 527 168 Password: pxT5tCu6 https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 319 527 168 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------------- Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------- Agenda: 0) Agenda Bashing 1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ 2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension = and Capabilities - Configuration Option Structure - Cap unaware 6LR - Capabilities Option structure and semantics 4) AOB Thanks, Ines and Peter. On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav > wrote: Hello all, The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR https://github.c= om/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2 Please let me know if anything is missed. Ines, please check and accept the PR. Thanks, Rahul ________________________________________ From: Roll > on behalf = of IESG Secretary > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM To: IETF-Announce Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14 The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC. Agenda: Draft Agenda: - Configuration Option structure - Capabilities unaware 6LR - Bidirectional Capabilities representation Information about remote participation: Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex Hosted by ROLL WG Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada) Meeting number: 319 527 168 Password: pxT5tCu6 https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 3= 19 527 168 https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_BM1PR01MB26121DFC6EEC6D356C9F014CA9930BM1PR01MB2612INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Where to look for the audio recording of our interim call yesterday?

Thanks,
Rahul
From: Ines Robles <maria= inesrobles@googlemail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Cc: Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>; peter van der Stok <= ;consultancy@vanderstok.org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER - WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14
 
Dear all,

The material for the meeting can be found in:


Regards

Ines

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM In= es Robles <mariainesro= bles@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all, 

This a reminder of the interim meeting today.

Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-)

Meeting Details:

----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------

Webex Details:

Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec


Join by phone
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
Access code: 319 527 168

---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----------------------------------------

Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014

---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------

Agenda:

0) Agenda Bashing
1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension = and Capabilities

- Configuration Option Structure
- Cap unaware 6LR
- Capabilities Option structure and semantics

4) AOB

Thanks,

Ines and Peter.



On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahu= l Jadhav <nyrah= ul@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello all, 

The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2
Please let me know if anything is missed.
Ines, please check and accept the PR.

Thanks,
Rahul


________________________________________
From: Roll <r= oll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org&= gt;
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM
To: IETF-Announce
Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14

The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda:

- Configuration Option structure
- Capabilities unaware 6LR
- Bidirectional Capabilities representation

Information about remote participation:
Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex
Hosted by ROLL WG
Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec
Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 3= 19 527 168

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We will keep you posted about it. Thank you and best regards, Ines. On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:53 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Where to look for the audio recording of our interim call yesterday? > > Thanks, > Rahul > ------------------------------ > *From:* Ines Robles > *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2019 9:00 AM > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Cc:* Rahul Jadhav ; peter van der Stok < > consultancy@vanderstok.org> > *Subject:* Re: REMINDER - WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 > > Dear all, > > The material for the meeting can be found in: > > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting > > > Regards > > Ines > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ines Robles < > mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote: > > Dear all, > > This a reminder of the interim meeting today. > > Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-) > > Meeting Details: > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Webex Details: > > Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern > Time (US & Canada) > Meeting number: 319 527 168 > Password: pxT5tCu6 > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec > > > Join by phone > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Access code: 319 527 168 > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Etherpad: > https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Agenda: > > 0) Agenda Bashing > 1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ > 2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension > and Capabilities > > - Configuration Option Structure > - Cap unaware 6LR > - Capabilities Option structure and semantics > > 4) AOB > > Thanks, > > Ines and Peter. > > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > > Hello all, > > The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2 > Please let me know if anything is missed. > Ines, please check and accept the PR. > > Thanks, > Rahul > > > ________________________________________ > From: Roll on behalf of IESG Secretary < > iesg-secretary@ietf.org> > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: roll@ietf.org > Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 > > The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will > hold > a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC. > > Agenda: > Draft Agenda: > > - Configuration Option structure > - Capabilities unaware 6LR > - Bidirectional Capabilities representation > > Information about remote participation: > Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex > Hosted by ROLL WG > Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern > Time (US & Canada) > Meeting number: 319 527 168 > Password: pxT5tCu6 > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec > Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: > 319 527 168 > > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > --0000000000004ab51c0594eded9d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

We are still working on getting the= video. We will keep you posted about it.=C2=A0

Th= ank you and best regards,

Ines.

On Tue, Oct 1= 5, 2019 at 6:53 AM Rahul Jadhav <= nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Where to look for the audio recording of our interim call yesterday?

Thanks,
Rahul
Fro= m: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>; peter van der Stok <consultancy@vanderstok= .org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER - WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14
=C2=A0
Dear all,

The material for the meeting can be found in:


Regards

Ines

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ines Robles <mariainesroble= s@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,=C2=A0

This a reminder of the interim meeting today.

Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-)

Meeting Details:

----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------

Webex Details:

Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec


Join by phone
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
Access code: 319 527 168

---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----------------------------------------

Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014

---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------

Agenda:

0) Agenda Bashing
1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension = and Capabilities

- Configuration Option Structure
- Cap unaware 6LR
- Capabilities Option structure and semantics

4) AOB

Thanks,

Ines and Peter.



On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> = wrote:
Hello all,=C2=A0

The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR=C2=A0https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meetin= g/pull/2
Please let me know if anything is missed.
Ines, please check and accept the PR.

Thanks,
Rahul


________________________________________
From: Roll <r= oll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org&= gt;
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM
To: IETF-Announce
Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14

The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda:

- Configuration Option structure
- Capabilities unaware 6LR
- Bidirectional Capabilities representation

Information about remote participation:
Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex
Hosted by ROLL WG
Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec
Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 3= 19 527 168

https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting

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On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 6:57 PM Pasca= l Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cis= co.com> wrote:

Dear all=C2=A0:

=C2=A0

At the interim today we refined= the idea of a Sequence counter in a DIO that increments when there is a ch= ange in a global option.


Ok, but I think the incrimination to be different per = different changes=C2=A0=C2=A0(changes possibilities with different incremen= t number, so any change case can be identified and corrected)

For the lack of an acronym that= results in SEAL, I=E2=80=99m using the RPL Configuration State Sequence (R= CSS) for now.

This concerns options that are = fully set by the root and propagated unchanged. Seems that this means at th= is time:

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A01.=C2=A0 The = Route Information Option (RIO)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 2.=C2=A0 The Prefi= x Information Option (PIO)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 3.=C2=A0 The DODAG= Configuration Option (DCO)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 4.=C2=A0 The Exten= ded MOP Option (MOPex)

=C2=A0=C2=A0 5.=C2=A0 The Globa= l Capabilities Option (GCO)

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Note that this also means that = the capabilities have to be split between the parent capabilities (not prot= ected) and the network-wide that are (item 5 above).

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Meeting 23 Sept: https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20190923/Recording-Link-20190923 Meeting 14 Oct: https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20191014/Recording-Link-20191014 Thank you, Ines and Peter On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 10:28 AM Ines Robles wrote: > Hi, > > We are still working on getting the video. We will keep you posted about > it. > > Thank you and best regards, > > Ines. > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:53 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > >> Where to look for the audio recording of our interim call yesterday? >> >> Thanks, >> Rahul >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Ines Robles >> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2019 9:00 AM >> *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >> *Cc:* Rahul Jadhav ; peter van der Stok < >> consultancy@vanderstok.org> >> *Subject:* Re: REMINDER - WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 >> >> Dear all, >> >> The material for the meeting can be found in: >> >> https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting >> >> >> Regards >> >> Ines >> >> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ines Robles < >> mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> This a reminder of the interim meeting today. >> >> Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-) >> >> Meeting Details: >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Webex Details: >> >> Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern >> Time (US & Canada) >> Meeting number: 319 527 168 >> Password: pxT5tCu6 >> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec >> >> >> Join by phone >> 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) >> Access code: 319 527 168 >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Etherpad: >> https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014 >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Agenda: >> >> 0) Agenda Bashing >> 1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ >> 2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation >> extension and Capabilities >> >> - Configuration Option Structure >> - Cap unaware 6LR >> - Capabilities Option structure and semantics >> >> 4) AOB >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ines and Peter. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR >> https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2 >> Please let me know if anything is missed. >> Ines, please check and accept the PR. >> >> Thanks, >> Rahul >> >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Roll on behalf of IESG Secretary < >> iesg-secretary@ietf.org> >> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM >> To: IETF-Announce >> Cc: roll@ietf.org >> Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG >> Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14 >> >> The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will >> hold >> a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC. >> >> Agenda: >> Draft Agenda: >> >> - Configuration Option structure >> - Capabilities unaware 6LR >> - Bidirectional Capabilities representation >> >> Information about remote participation: >> Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex >> Hosted by ROLL WG >> Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern >> Time (US & Canada) >> Meeting number: 319 527 168 >> Password: pxT5tCu6 >> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=mbf22e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec >> Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: >> 319 527 168 >> >> https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> >> --0000000000001532660594ee717b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

= Please find below the link to the video recording.

Meeting 23 Sept:=C2=A0https://github.com/rol= l-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20190923/Recording-Link-20190923<= /div>


Thank you,

Ines and Peter

On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 10:28 AM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.= com> wrote:
Hi,

We are still working on getting = the video. We will keep you posted about it.=C2=A0

Thank you and best regards,

Ines.

=
On Tue, Oc= t 15, 2019 at 6:53 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Where to look for the audio recording of our interim call yesterday?

Thanks,
Rahul
From: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com<= /a>>
Sent: Monday, October 14, 2019 9:00 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>; peter van der Stok <consultancy@vanderstok= .org>
Subject: Re: REMINDER - WG Virtual Meeting: 2019-10-14
=C2=A0
Dear all,

The material for the meeting can be found in:


Regards

Ines

On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 11:48 AM Ines Robles <mariainesroble= s@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,=C2=A0

This a reminder of the interim meeting today.

Thank you very much Rahul for the great slides set!! :-)

Meeting Details:

----------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------

Webex Details:

Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec


Join by phone
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
Access code: 319 527 168

---------------------------------------------------------------------------= -----------------------------------------

Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/roll-interim-virtual-meeting-20191014

---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------------------------------

Agenda:

0) Agenda Bashing
1) Note Well https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/
2) Discuss about: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 Mode of Operation extension = and Capabilities

- Configuration Option Structure
- Cap unaware 6LR
- Capabilities Option structure and semantics

4) AOB

Thanks,

Ines and Peter.



On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 3:29 PM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> = wrote:
Hello all,=C2=A0

The proposed slides for 14th interim are present in the PR=C2=A0https://github.com= /roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/pull/2
Please let me know if anything is missed.
Ines, please check and accept the PR.

Thanks,
Rahul


________________________________________
From: Roll <r= oll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@ietf.org&= gt;
Sent: Monday, September 30, 2019 1:25 PM
To: IETF-Announce
Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual= Meeting: 2019-10-14

The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hol= d
a virtual interim meeting on 2019-10-14 from 13:00 to 15:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda:

- Configuration Option structure
- Capabilities unaware 6LR
- Bidirectional Capabilities representation

Information about remote participation:
Topic: Continue with the work on Capabilities and MOPex
Hosted by ROLL WG
Monday, Oct 14, 2019 8:45 am | 2 hours 15 minutes | (UTC-05:00) Eastern Tim= e (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 319 527 168
Password: pxT5tCu6
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dmbf2= 2e8e09dfa7a79eccc8646e17153ec
Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Access code: 3= 19 527 168

https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Rahul We want to protect a global configuration with a sequence set by the root b= ecause the root is authoritative in them. Why? A node may receive different levels of config from different parents a= nd one of them may be back level. The node needs a freshness indication. It= may want a signature in the future. =3D> We need to split the capabilities that go in the DIO and that are prot= ected by the RCSS from the rest and think about how we protect that rest. Makes sense? Pascal From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 15 octobre 2019 05:47 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: Re: [Roll] Following up on seq Counter to protect the config optio= n and others Note that this also means that the capabilities have to be split between th= e parent capabilities (not protected) and the network-wide that are (item 5= above). The alternate is that the RCSS covers everything a parent advertises in whi= ch case it is not set by the root but by individual parents. [RJ] I think RCSS can be handled by individual parents (similar to DTSN in = storing MOP). The only problem would be that additional memory i.e., one by= te per parent would be required in this case. May not be a big problem sinc= e the parent set is limited in size. Or do we need 2 counters? [RJ] IMO, This won't be a good option, memory-wise or handling-wise. --_000_MN2PR11MB3565BAEE863811C93696213CD8930MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Rah= ul

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We want to protect a global configuration with a sequence set by the = root because the root is authoritative in them.

Why? A node may receive different levels of config from different par= ents and one of them may be back level. The node needs a freshness indicati= on. It may want a signature in the future.

=3D> We need to split the capabilities that go in the DIO and that= are protected by the RCSS from the rest and think about how we protect tha= t rest.

 

Makes sense?

 

Pascal

 

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 15 octobre 2019 05:47
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: Re: [Roll] Following up on seq Counter to protect the confi= g option and others

 

Note th= at this also means that the capabilities have to be split between the paren= t capabilities (not protected) and the network-wide that are (item 5 above)= .

The alternate is that the RCSS= covers everything a parent advertises in which case it is not set by the r= oot but by individual parents.

 

[RJ] I think RCSS can be handl= ed by individual parents (similar to DTSN in storing MOP). The only problem= would be that additional memory i.e., one byte per parent would be require= d in this case. May not be a big problem since the parent set is limited in size.

 

Or do we need 2 counters?

 

[RJ] IMO, This won't be a good= option, memory-wise or handling-wise.

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We want to protect a global configuration with a sequence set by the root b= ecause the root is authoritative in them. Why? A node may receive different levels of config from different parents a= nd one of them may be back level. The node needs a freshness indication. It= may want a signature in the future. =3D> We need to split the capabilities that go in the DIO and that are prot= ected by the RCSS from the rest and think about how we protect that rest. Makes sense? [RJ] Yes, the problem with RCSS been controlled by individual parents is th= at it is not possible to know if the root caps are changed. And we certainl= y need that. So we need to split the caps and use two counters? From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 15 octobre 2019 05:47 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: Re: [Roll] Following up on seq Counter to protect the config optio= n and others Note that this also means that the capabilities have to be split between th= e parent capabilities (not protected) and the network-wide that are (item 5= above).. The alternate is that the RCSS covers everything a parent advertises in whi= ch case it is not set by the root but by individual parents. [RJ] I think RCSS can be handled by individual parents (similar to DTSN in = storing MOP). The only problem would be that additional memory i.e., one by= te per parent would be required in this case. May not be a big problem sinc= e the parent set is limited in size. Or do we need 2 counters? [RJ] IMO, This won't be a good option, memory-wise or handling-wise. --_000_BM1PR01MB2612A801ED80473E07AFEE01A9930BM1PR01MB2612INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

We want to protect a global configuration w= ith a sequence set by the root because the root is authoritative in them.

Why? A node may receive different levels of= config from different parents and one of them may be back level. The node = needs a freshness indication. It may want a signature in the future.=

=3D> We need to split the capabilities t= hat go in the DIO and that are protected by the RCSS from the rest and thin= k about how we protect that rest.

 

Makes sense?

 

[RJ] Yes, the problem with RCSS been controlled by individual parents is th= at it is not possible to know if the root caps are changed. And we certainl= y need that. So we need to split the caps and use two counters?


 

From: Roll <roll= -bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 15 octobre 2019 05:47
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: Re: [Roll] Following up on seq Counter to protect the confi= g option and others

 

Note that this also means tha= t the capabilities have to be split between the parent capabilities (not pr= otected) and the network-wide that are (item 5 above)..

The alternate is that the RCSS covers everything a par= ent advertises in which case it is not set by the root but by individual pa= rents.

 

[RJ] I think RCSS can be handled by individual parents= (similar to DTSN in storing MOP). The only problem would be that additiona= l memory i.e., one byte per parent would be required in this case. May not = be a big problem since the parent set is limited in size.

 

Or do we need 2 counters?

 

[RJ] IMO, This won't be a good option, memory-wise or = handling-wise.

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Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:48:28 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" message dated "Mon, 14 Oct 2019 16:56:23 -0000." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 14:48:28 +0200 Message-ID: <21950.1571230108@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Following up on seq Counter to protect the config option and others X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:47:39 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > At the interim today we refined the idea of a Sequence counter in a D= IO > that increments when there is a change in a global option.=20 > For the lack of an acronym that results in SEAL, I'm using the RPL > Configuration State Sequence (RCSS) for now. =20=20=20=20 I came up with: Special Elided Attribute Lollipop =3D SEAL. or Sequence of Elided Attributes Lollipop =3D SEAL. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:39:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:39:48 -0700 From: Alvaro Retana MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:39:48 -0700 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org Cc: Peter van der Stok , roll-chairs@ietf.org, roll Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 18:39:54 -0000 Dear authors: I reviewed the changes (only) and have some comments/questions. Please take a look below. I would like for my concerns to be addressed before sending the document back to the RFC Editor. Thanks! Alvaro. [Line numbers from idnits.] 384 4.3. =C2=A0Destination Cleanup Object (DCO) ... 393 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 1 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= 2 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3 394 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 = 8 9 0 1 395 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+ 396 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | RPLInstanceID |K|D| =C2=A0 Flags =C2=A0 | =C2=A0RPL = =C2=A0Status =C2=A0| DCOSequence =C2=A0 | 397 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+ 398 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | 399 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + 400 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | 401 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DODAGID(optional) =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0+ 402 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | 403 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 + 404 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | 405 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+ 406 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 Option(s)... 407 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ [nit] s/RPL =C2=A0Status/RPL Status =C2=A0 To make it easier to search, ple= ase eliminate the extra space. ... 434 =C2=A0 RPL Status: The RPL Status as defined in section 6.5.1 of [RFC6= 550]. 435 =C2=A0 Indicative of the reason why the DCO happened, the RPL Status M= UST 436 =C2=A0 NOT be changed as the DCO is propagated down the route being 437 =C2=A0 invalidated. =C2=A0This value is informative and does not affec= t the 438 =C2=A0 behavior of the receiver. =C2=A0In particular, unknown values a= re ignored 439 =C2=A0 by the receiver. =C2=A0Only Rejection Codes (values of 128 and = above) are 440 =C2=A0 expected in a DCO. [major] rfc6550 defines a field called "Status" (not "RPL Status") for the DAO-ACK, which "Indicates the completion", and not "the reason why the DCO happened". =C2=A0Also, the value of "130 indicating that the address has moved" is not consistent with what seems to be intent in the DAO-ACK: "Rejection; the node sending the DAO-ACK is unwilling to act as a parent." =C2=A0 While the interpretation could be stretched, it seems to me that it would be better to simply create a new "RPL Status" field/registry that applies specifically to the DCO. >From the discussion on the list, it was proposed that a common registry can be defined in draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves. =C2=A0Looking at that draft, and the fact that it defines "RPL Status values for use in DAO-ACK and DCO that map the 6LoWPAN ND values defined in Table 1 of [RFC8505]", where 130 is called "Moved", but the definition in rfc8505 refers to a stale registration... =C2=A0IOW, the use of 130 doesn't seem to map well to the definitions in rfc8505. =C2=A0This seems to be another reason to create an independent field/registry. Is there a strong reason for the reuse? [major] "the RPL Status MUST NOT be changed...is informative and does not affect the behavior of the receiver...unknown values are ignored...Only Rejection Codes (values of 128 and above) are expected in a DCO." If the value doesn't matter (informative) and unknown ones are ignored, why specify that it MUST NOT change? =C2=A0What is the Normative value of that? =C2=A0Specifically, if the value was changed to something < 128, what should the receiver do? ... 574 4.5. =C2=A0Unsolicited DCO 576 =C2=A0 A 6LR may generate an unsolicited DCO to unilaterally cleanup t= he 577 =C2=A0 path on behalf of the target entry. =C2=A0The 6LR has all the s= tate 578 =C2=A0 information, namely, the Target address and the Path Sequence, 579 =C2=A0 required for generating DCO in its routing table. =C2=A0The con= ditions why 580 =C2=A0 6LR may generate an unsolicited DCO are beyond the scope of thi= s 581 =C2=A0 document but some possible reasons could be: 583 =C2=A0 1. =C2=A0On route expiry of an entry, a 6LR may decide to graci= ously 584 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 cleanup the entry by initiating DCO. 585 =C2=A0 2. =C2=A06LR needs to entertain higher priority entries in case= the 586 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 routing table is full, thus resulting in eviction= of an existing 587 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 routing entry. =C2=A0In this case the eviction ca= n be handled 588 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 graciously using DCO. 590 =C2=A0 Note that if the 6LR initiates a unilateral path cleanup using = DCO 591 =C2=A0 and if it has the latest state for the target then the DCO woul= d 592 =C2=A0 finally reach the target node. =C2=A0Thus the target node would= be 593 =C2=A0 informed of its invalidation. [] This section wasn't changed, but it seems to me that there's an opportunity to indicate these known reasons as Status in the DCO. Among other things, the target node would be able to identify the reason for the unsolicited DCO... 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[Cbor] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF106: DRAFT AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 09:47:22 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the DRAFT AGENDA for IETF106. Remember that there is still quite some potential for changes. Conflicts that meet the eye: LAKE/SUIT (already noted by Russ), BOF on top (thing security): TMRID. ACE/RATS are also both security technologies that impact IoT. COSE is a technology that might be relevant for WPACK. All times are SGT (Singapore Time) =3D=3D UTC + 8 hours (=3D=3D China = time). Singapore doesn't obey the daylight savings myth. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, November 15, 2019 -- T2TRG/W3C WoT Workshop @ NUSS (https://is.gd/XWSfi8) SATURDAY, November 16, 2019 0830-2200 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison SUNDAY, November 17, 2019 0830-1600 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Fairmont Ballroom Foyer 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks -- Padang MONDAY, November 18, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Sophia IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking VIP A SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I VIP A INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG - Joint with HOMENET VIP A INT homenet Home Networking WG - Joint with DNSSD Hullet INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Olivia IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Canning IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Padang SEC txauth Transactional Authorization and = Delegation BOF Sophia TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Collyer ART abcd Application Behavior Considering DNS BOF Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Sophia OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Orchard RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Canning SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Canning INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Olivia TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG TUESDAY, November 19, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Hullet RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Olivia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I VIP A INT tmrid Trustworthy Multipurpose Remote ID BOF Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Canning SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = WG Olivia SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Canning INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Olivia SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG VIP A SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Hullet TSV taps Transport Services WG 1710-1840 Afternoon Session III Hullet IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Proposed Research Group Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Orchard RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Padang SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG WEDNESDAY, November 20, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Collyer RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless BOF Sophia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Canning ART webtrans WebTransport BOF Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Collyer IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Olivia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Orchard ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Hullet OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Collyer SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Sophia TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting THURSDAY, November 21, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing VIP A RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Collyer TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Sophia INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Olivia RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Canning SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Padang ART wpack Web Packaging BOF Canning RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Sophia SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Hullet SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Olivia ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Sophia GEN git GitHub Integration and Tooling WG Padang INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Canning RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG FRIDAY, November 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Hullet INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Sophia IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Proposed = Research Group Olivia SEC mathmesh MatheMatical Mesh BOF 1220-1350 Morning Session II Hullet ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Sophia IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Olivia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG _______________________________________________ CBOR mailing list CBOR@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cbor From nobody Sun Oct 20 20:27:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BD59120059 for ; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 20:27:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 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[Roll] naming and other goals for RPL Unaware Leaves X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2019 13:03:18 -0000 --00000000000049320c05957f6c03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, Currently the useofrplinfo draft states: RPL-aware-node: A device which implements RPL. Please note that the device can be found inside the LLN or outside LLN. <<< This would be the number 3 of Michael descriptions Should we extend the definition to insert 3.A, 3.b, 3.C, 3D descriptions???? >>>> RPL-Aware-Leaf(RAL): A RPL-aware-node which is a leaf of a (Destination Oriented Directed Acyclic Graph) DODAG. RPL-unaware-node: A device which does not implement RPL, thus the device is not-RPL-aware. Please note that the device can be found inside the LLN. <<< This would be the number 2 of Michael descriptions, I am wondering if we could add the need of RFCs6775, RFC8138 and the others that Michael mentioned into section 9 Operational Considerations of supporting not-RPL-aware-leaves. >>>> RPL-Unaware-Leaf(RUL): A RPL-unaware-node which is a leaf of a (Destination Oriented Directed Acyclic Graph) DODAG. 6LoWPAN Node (6LN): [RFC6775] defines it as: "A 6LoWPAN node is any host or router participating in a LoWPAN. This term is used when referring to situations in which either a host or router can play the role described.". In this document, a 6LN acts as a leaf. 6LoWPAN Router (6LR): [RFC6775] defines it as:" An intermediate router in the LoWPAN that is able to send and receive Router Advertisements (RAs) and Router Solicitations (RSs) as well as forward and route IPv6 packets. 6LoWPAN routers are present only in route-over topologies." We would appreciate to know what the WG thinks about this topic? Thank you very much, Ines. On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:56 PM Michael Richardson wrote: > > At the virtual interim a few weeks ago, Pascal and I discussed different > possible goals for the documents. Some of the confusion comes down to > mis-understandings resulting from the choices of names. > > Let me go through a series of descriptions and connect some terms as I can > to > them. > > 1) Host. It was Carsten who first pointed that things that do not route are > hosts, and RFC8504 says what a host is supposed to do. > RFC8504 does not say anything about being able to decapsulate > IP(dst:me)IP(dst:me) > packets. I tried to get that in, but 6man was rather hostile to this. > RFC8504 also says nothing about supporting 6lowpan stuff! > > 2) 6lowpan host. > Everything from (1), plus ability to do > rfc4944: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.15.4 Networks > > which means doing some amount of header compression. > > Does it include any of: > > rfc6775: Neighbor Discovery Optimization for IPv6 over Low-Power > Wireless > Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs) > rfc7400: 6LoWPAN-GHC: Generic Header Compression for IPv6 over Low-Power > Wireless Personal Area Networks > rfc8025: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) > Paging Dispatch > rfc8066: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) > ESC > Dispatch Code Points and Guidelines > rfc8505: Registration Extensions for IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless > Personal > Area Network (6LoWPAN) Neighbor Discovery > rfc8138: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6LoWPAN) > Routing Header > > I have no idea. If someone says a product does "rfc6775", then 4944 is > clearly included. Some of the more recent radios (DECT) may have > nailed > down that they need additional things, but I didn't check. > > 3) RPL host. > Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *AWARE* host (because > it > speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host (because it does not > speak 6550). It being a host, it is by definition a leaf. > > We are we want is a definition which includes: > A) All the stuff above which we were uncertain about. Specifically, we > really want RFC8505 and RFC6775 to be supported. > Specifically, EARO with the TID. > > B) We want these devices to ignore RPI and RH3 headers according > rfc8200, > as useofrplinfo envisions. > > C) We want these devices to accept IP(dst:me),headers,IP(dst:me) > constructs, > as it simplies the useofrplinfo situation for storing mode. But, > we have some ways to work around this in the 6LR in storing mode, but > it is a spec change. > > D) Ideally, these hosts would send IPv6 packets with an RPI header > already > inserted. This eliminates the need to do an IPIP encapsulation at > the > first 6LR. > > A typical example of such a device is a window smash sensor that might > be > part of a (home) security system. When installed, it might be > provisioned > with some cable for power and control. Then, having sent out an > EARO/TID > to register with the 6LR/6LBR, it goes into a deep sleep, waking up > perhaps weekly or monthly. If the window is smashed, it send packets, > probably until the battery runs dry. If it is re-used, it is > effectively > refurbished with a new battery and rejoins as if it was a new device. > > There are other examples of sleepy devices which would never be able to > forward packets. > > 4) 6LR with incompatible MOP, or other handicap. > > Such a device is forced by the rules of 6550 to join the network as a > leaf. > It is unclear to me if it is allowed to send DAOs for itself, or if it > has > to use ND like (3) above. Clearly it listens to DIOs, because that's > how > it learnt that it couldn't join as a router. The key thing is that it > does not emit DIOs, and thus never attracts any children. > > {It is distinguished from a 6LR which just happens to be leaf, because > there are no children that have picked it as a parent. Such a 6LR sends > out peridic DIOs according trickle} > > ===== > > I would have called (2), RPL Unaware Leaves, and I would have called (3) > RPL > Aware Leaves. > Pascal calls (1) RPL Unaware Leaves, and (2) are RPL Aware Leaves (I > think). > Well, maybe my description is wrong! > > Flame away! > > -- > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh > networks [ > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network > architect [ > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on > rails [ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --00000000000049320c05957f6c03 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Currently the useofrplinfo dr= aft states:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0RPL-aware-node: A device which implements R= PL.=C2=A0 Please note that the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0device can be found inside t= he LLN or outside LLN.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0<<< This would be the n= umber 3 of Michael descriptions
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Should we extend the defin= ition to insert 3.A, 3.b, 3.C, 3D descriptions???? >>>>

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0RPL-Aware-Leaf(RAL): A RPL-aware-node which is a leaf of a
= =C2=A0 =C2=A0(Destination Oriented Directed Acyclic Graph) DODAG.

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0RPL-unaware-node: A device which does not implement RPL, thus = the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0device is not-RPL-aware.=C2=A0 Please note that the dev= ice can be found
=C2=A0 =C2=A0inside the LLN.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0<&l= t;< This would be the number 2 of Michael descriptions,
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0I am wondering if we could add the need of RFCs6775, RFC8138 and the oth= ers that Michael mentioned
=C2=A0 =C2=A0into section 9 Operational Cons= iderations of supporting not-RPL-aware-leaves. >>>>

=C2= =A0 =C2=A0RPL-Unaware-Leaf(RUL): A RPL-unaware-node which is a leaf of a=C2=A0 =C2=A0(Destination Oriented Directed Acyclic Graph) DODAG.

<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A06LoWPAN Node (6LN): [RFC6775] defines it as: "A 6L= oWPAN node is any
=C2=A0 =C2=A0host or router participating in a LoWPAN.= =C2=A0 This term is used when
=C2=A0 =C2=A0referring to situations in wh= ich either a host or router can play the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0role described.&qu= ot;.=C2=A0 In this document, a 6LN acts as a leaf.

=C2=A0 =C2=A06LoW= PAN Router (6LR): [RFC6775] defines it as:" An intermediate
=C2=A0 = =C2=A0router in the LoWPAN that is able to send and receive Router
=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Advertisements (RAs) and Router Solicitations (RSs) as well as=C2=A0 =C2=A0forward and route IPv6 packets. =C2=A06LoWPAN routers are pre= sent only in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0route-over topologies."


=C2=A0= =C2=A0We would appreciate to know what the WG thinks about this topic?
=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Thank you very much,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Ines.

On= Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 5:56 PM Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

At the virtual interim a few weeks ago, Pascal and I discussed different possible goals for the documents.=C2=A0 Some of the confusion comes down to=
mis-understandings resulting from the choices of names.

Let me go through a series of descriptions and connect some terms as I can = to
them.

1) Host. It was Carsten who first pointed that things that do not route are=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0hosts, and RFC8504 says what a host is supposed to do.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8504 does not say anything about being able to decapsulate = IP(dst:me)IP(dst:me)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0packets.=C2=A0 I tried to get that in, but 6man was rather hos= tile to this.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC8504 also says nothing about supporting 6lowpan stuff!

2) 6lowpan host.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Everything from (1), plus ability to do
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 rfc4944: Transmission of IPv6 Packets over IEEE 802.15= .4 Networks

=C2=A0 =C2=A0which means doing some amount of header compression.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Does it include any of:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc6775: Neighbor Discovery Optimization for IPv6 over Low-Pow= er Wireless
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Personal Area Networks (6LoWPANs)=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc7400: 6LoWPAN-GHC: Generic Header Compression for IPv6 over= Low-Power
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wireless Personal Area Networks =C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8025: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6= LoWPAN)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Paging Dispatch
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8066: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6= LoWPAN) ESC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dispatch Code Points and Guidelin= es
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8505: Registration Extensions for IPv6 over Low-Power Wirel= ess Personal
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Area Network (6LoWPAN) Neighbor D= iscovery
=C2=A0 =C2=A0rfc8138: IPv6 over Low-Power Wireless Personal Area Network (6= LoWPAN)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Routing Header

=C2=A0 =C2=A0I have no idea.=C2=A0 If someone says a product does "rfc= 6775", then 4944 is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0clearly included.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Some of the more recent radios (= DECT) may have nailed
=C2=A0 =C2=A0down that they need additional things, but I didn't check.=

3) RPL host.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal and I disagree whether to call this an RPL *AWARE* host= (because it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0speaks RPL data plane), or an RPL *UNAWARE* host (because it d= oes not
=C2=A0 =C2=A0speak 6550).=C2=A0 It being a host, it is by definition a leaf= .

=C2=A0 =C2=A0We are we want is a definition which includes:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0A) All the stuff above which we were uncertain about.=C2=A0 Sp= ecifically, we
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 really want RFC8505 and RFC6775 to be supported.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Specifically, EARO with the TID.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0B) We want these devices to ignore RPI and RH3 headers accordi= ng rfc8200,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 as useofrplinfo envisions.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0C) We want these devices to accept IP(dst:me),headers,IP(dst:m= e) constructs,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 as it simplies the useofrplinfo situation for storing = mode.=C2=A0 But,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 we have some ways to work around this in the 6LR in st= oring mode, but
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 it is a spec change.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0D) Ideally, these hosts would send IPv6 packets with an RPI he= ader already
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 inserted.=C2=A0 This eliminates the need to do an IPIP= encapsulation at the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 first 6LR.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0A typical example of such a device is a window smash sensor th= at might be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0part of a (home) security system.=C2=A0 When installed, it mig= ht be provisioned
=C2=A0 =C2=A0with some cable for power and control.=C2=A0 Then, having sent= out an EARO/TID
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to register with the 6LR/6LBR, it goes into a deep sleep, waki= ng up
=C2=A0 =C2=A0perhaps weekly or monthly.=C2=A0 If the window is smashed, it = send packets,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0probably until the battery runs dry.=C2=A0 If it is re-used, i= t is effectively
=C2=A0 =C2=A0refurbished with a new battery and rejoins as if it was a new = device.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0There are other examples of sleepy devices which would never b= e able to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0forward packets.

4) 6LR with incompatible MOP, or other handicap.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Such a device is forced by the rules of 6550 to join the netwo= rk as a leaf.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0It is unclear to me if it is allowed to send DAOs for itself, = or if it has
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to use ND like (3) above.=C2=A0 Clearly it listens to DIOs, be= cause that's how
=C2=A0 =C2=A0it learnt that it couldn't join as a router.=C2=A0 The key= thing is that it
=C2=A0 =C2=A0does not emit DIOs, and thus never attracts any children.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0{It is distinguished from a 6LR which just happens to be leaf,= because
=C2=A0 =C2=A0there are no children that have picked it as a parent.=C2=A0 S= uch a 6LR sends
=C2=A0 =C2=A0out peridic DIOs according trickle}

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

I would have called (2), RPL Unaware Leaves, and I would have called (3) RP= L
Aware Leaves.
Pascal calls (1) RPL Unaware Leaves, and (2) are RPL Aware Leaves (I think)= .
Well, maybe my description is wrong!

Flame away!

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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2019 16:27:14 -0000 On October 21, 2019 at 1:34:54 PM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert)(pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: Pascal: Hi! > ... > 434 RPL Status: The RPL Status as defined in section 6.5.1 of [RFC6550]. > 435 Indicative of the reason why the DCO happened, the RPL Status MUST > 436 NOT be changed as the DCO is propagated down the route being > 437 invalidated. This value is informative and does not affect the > 438 behavior of the receiver. In particular, unknown values are ignored > 439 by the receiver. Only Rejection Codes (values of 128 and above) are > 440 expected in a DCO. > > > [major] rfc6550 defines a field called "Status" (not "RPL Status") for = the > > DAO-ACK, which "Indicates the completion", and not "the reason why the = DCO > > happened". Also, the value of "130 indicating that the address has move= d" > > is not consistent with what seems to be intent in the DAO-ACK: "Rejecti= on; > > the node sending the DAO-ACK is unwilling to act as a parent." While th= e > > interpretation could be stretched, it seems to me that it would be bett= er > > to simply create a new "RPL Status" field/registry that applies > > specifically to the DCO. > > I agree that we are making it a "reason". This is consistent with the > evolution of the status and its use in RFC 8505, more below. > > > From the discussion on the list, it was proposed that a common > > registry can be defined in draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves. Looking at t= hat > > draft, and the fact that it defines "RPL Status values for use in DAO-A= CK > > and DCO that map the 6LoWPAN ND values defined in Table 1 of [RFC8505]"= , > > where 130 is called "Moved", but the definition in rfc8505 refers to a > > stale registration... IOW, the use of 130 doesn't seem to map well to t= he > > definitions in rfc8505. This seems to be another reason to create an > > independent field/registry. > > > Is there a strong reason for the reuse? > > > We have complex flows where the 6LBR proxies the 6LN's registration to th= e > 6BBR (https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-6lo-backbone-router/) s= o > that in turn the 6BBR does ND proxy for the 6LN on the backbone. We use R= FC > 8505 between the 6LN and the 6LR, and between the 6LBR and the 6BBR. In c= ase > of a bad RC from the 6BBR to the 6LBR, the 6LBR needs to send the informa= tion > back to the 6LR so the 6LR returns it to the 6LN using RFC 8505. We use N= P > DAO for that and for that reason, yes, we stretch the meaning. As you see= the > point is not to save a registry but to homogenize the RPL and the RFC 850= 5 > status. > > See https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505#section-9.4 and > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-04#section-12.= 2 : ) > > When the address moves on the backbone, the RPL state in the old DODAG is > Cleaned from the 6LBR down. And the status from 6BBR to 6LBR is moved so = the > expectation is that it percolates down. The rejection is mostly to cleanu= p > RPL since the leaf is expected to be long gone and registered in a differ= ent > DODAG across the backbone. I think I understand -- homogenizing is not a bad thing. :-) However, I am still concerned about a couple of things: (1) the values are not the same...for example, "moved" in rfc8505 has a value of 3, not 130. =C2=A0Why not use the same value? =C2=A0The answer t= o this question overflows into my second concern... (2) draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves doesn't update the allocation guidelines from rfc6550 (=C2=A76.5.1) for the Status, which then lands "moved" in the "Rejection" range. =C2=A0IOW, the meaning is changed, but the original meaning of the DAO-ACK Status is not updated... [We are not reviewing draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves here, so some of these comments can be saved for later. ;-)] Needless to say, I don't like this approach. =C2=A0But if the WG wants to go forward this way, then I want to make this document Normatively depend on draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves because that is where the registry and meaning for the Status values are defined. =C2=A0I also think that because of that, we will want to hold sending this document back to the RFC Editor until we get the final text for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves (and decide that we don't need additional review for this document). One more thing, in reading through rfc8505, I found this text (which I had completely missed before): =C2=A0 =C2=A0If the receiver of the message has registration state correspo= nding to the related address, it SHOULD propagate the status down the forwarding path to the Registered Node (e.g., reversing an existing RPL [RFC6550] path as prescribed in [Efficient-NPDAO]). So...if the rfc8505 status is "moved" (which is actually the topic of the paragraph from where the text above was taken in =C2=A75.7), what should be propagated using the DCO? =C2=A0130? =C2=A0Where is that specifie= d? > > [major] "the RPL Status MUST NOT be changed...is informative and does n= ot > > affect the behavior of the receiver...unknown values are ignored...Only > > Rejection Codes (values of 128 and above) are expected in a DCO." > > > > If the value doesn't matter (informative) and unknown ones are ignored,= why > > specify that it MUST NOT change? What is the Normative value of that? > > Specifically, if the value was changed to something < 128, what should = the > > receiver do? > > We wish the information to be known by all nodes, and this is a provision > that we can reliably act differently per status value all the along the D= ODAG > in the future. So we see this as protecting the future. Is that a problem= ? Sorry...let me try again. =C2=A0I see two problems: (1) The values are informative, but Normatively are not to change. How can the "MUST NOT" be enforced in the network? =C2=A0How would a receiver know if the value was changed (or not)? =C2=A0You added that "we can reliably act differently per status value" (but the text currently reads: "value is informative and does not affect the behavior of the receiver") -- having a consistent/reliable behavior can be achieved only if it can be guaranteed that the value didn't change. =C2=A0If it did change, what is the expected behavior? (2) If only values > 128 are expected, then what should a receiver do if a value < 128 is received? =C2=A0Should the DCO not be propagated further? > > ... > 574 4.5. Unsolicited DCO > > 576 A 6LR may generate an unsolicited DCO to unilaterally cleanup the > 577 path on behalf of the target entry. The 6LR has all the state > 578 information, namely, the Target address and the Path Sequence, > 579 required for generating DCO in its routing table. The conditions why > 580 6LR may generate an unsolicited DCO are beyond the scope of this > 581 document but some possible reasons could be: > > 583 1. On route expiry of an entry, a 6LR may decide to graciously > 584 cleanup the entry by initiating DCO. > 585 2. 6LR needs to entertain higher priority entries in case the > 586 routing table is full, thus resulting in eviction of an existing > 587 routing entry. In this case the eviction can be handled > 588 graciously using DCO. > > 590 Note that if the 6LR initiates a unilateral path cleanup using DCO > 591 and if it has the latest state for the target then the DCO would > 592 finally reach the target node. Thus the target node would be > 593 informed of its invalidation. > > > [] This section wasn't changed, but it seems to me that there's an > > opportunity to indicate these known reasons as Status in the DCO. =C2= =A0Among > > other things, the target node would be able to identify the reason for = the > > unsolicited DCO... > > Agreed, let's look at this. Perfect! Thanks! Alvaro. From nobody Fri Oct 25 04:19:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3614120863 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 04:18:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yCwrfWAkLMOO for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 04:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x136.google.com (mail-il1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5567D1200C3 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 04:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x136.google.com with SMTP id z10so1494929ilo.8 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 04:18:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mkmoPeYiptFpt7vLRFoY0sjCcJjZhOQmmsODKCxAdoA=; b=Yh70QAEhQr70tzdFhVljxcYXdic0en78ezYtibEAFs0079UAnWKVxywWL9v176xfmg /XNlb/PmoYa0YrcgXtCFm1kxBUfirQPi7TETL1SKtJL2Yr14AN5fyZXfq6NVNgxiURCt jD0BNhNV1CTcxX5Tupleq2FX6+qh3r3oovJaQ6yhGq3tG6CtAoiKQ+mldZ87nwoQNYM0 Rsi1OxuCqiDdV+dG817izqBdE4xABrwCtlXE3kzJteA+8wYOfclf82DrsdfRGPKqrAro bnRJb7pn+DnS/RRX8oLm0a8ySW6emSREyjI9z7XV2vexQQL8trqgeJPjClAFwSeXnRvZ MAmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mkmoPeYiptFpt7vLRFoY0sjCcJjZhOQmmsODKCxAdoA=; b=kBa1Gkq0MAAiZh6sInrdbzC63aoBsV+kE0V3Doen6uPSeSsJqmchwILN3V9EWngLcN HGWdhBpqqAvped6zSzlzqJqcXlwZMPbJUDuKkrrZU63t+LGk98G80icp6Mmg2damoxg0 o/6hkWiL+Lhe/jdGmwwVp268AGplxdSehqYUVV4mYHWtyCHj+Ajnlt/kkqqLJrkIQBfQ rMZfn6uzNlegKhum0O53ybHX10NmRVkZBeppenOd0ZoXMIZMtOhPE4+taR6QkoWKqUqL yjlR1UG0baD/Y9R2ywGAXWSlxq+NczSVKReG5HRfLbhHnZLeneoXU4/WnPO5HZQTGER+ hDQg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUNJ7F40peutXt/jWvHAgYuSH8vhQFzqmkJTTuHIYosmNSTbZAu Q4u/IKlleHcz3Fa7ivMYn3BHUhQFBlMgwut24P2z+bCj X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqyGzc8VxbAiOzg/9Lgk92vBUn/j7Fopg8DMtdni/sa/Ym1xAe8y03FJLLQWpG2c30AXgMn5r5h+8i9OrFmk4iA= X-Received: by 2002:a92:b656:: with SMTP id s83mr3486832ili.282.1572002334774; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 04:18:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ines Robles Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:18:18 +0300 Message-ID: To: roll Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Michael Richardson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c0196f0595ba50b5" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 11:18:59 -0000 --000000000000c0196f0595ba50b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Discussing with Pascal and Michael, we would like to know if you think that unaware-leaves draft should be normative in useofrplinfo. Please find below some discussion points: The RUL draft introduces a new beast to the RPL family, a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C but can now attach to t= he network and benefit from special forwarding rules, provided that it implements the RUL draft and some dependencies listed therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to the WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a risk if it is published too soon that it is= not 100% aligned. The misalignment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is a RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should we car= ry additional meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the dependencies. The behavior for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info world for the is correct but it could apply to a slightly wider definition of a RUL than what the RUL draft considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even RFC 8505, but 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein), could also attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new set of things, like handles the sequence counter and stuff, and there could be tons of variations of that guy e.g., whether that guy could provide an =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware RPLinstanceID though it does not speak R= FC 6550. The description of the operation of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does not (yet) belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because the original 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that? To maximize the coverage of Use-Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include that guy in the generic =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not too in= terested in defining all the variations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less to give a name t= o all the variations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on their behalf based on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I=E2=80=99m happ= y enough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope that is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they are the only ones for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus the proposal to make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few months with a missref. Changes were done in the RUL draft to ensure that the operation described for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info is compatible with the new beast that the RUL draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by Use-Of-RPL-Info. Because when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of external route. the doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to introduce a different behavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for other =E2=80=9Cexternal = destinations=E2=80=9D indicating e.g., the need to route via the parent and thus to use Non-Storing signaling. Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a new section. the text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below: =E2=80=9C 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing Mode Signaling. Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet outside the RPL domain. This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the Internet. A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200]. The target may have been learned through as a host route or may have been registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before forwarding over that external route. =E2=80=9C So where are we? We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80= =9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or a= s an =E2=80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info. Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in = Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hastly. Looking forward to your reactions, Ines, Pascal and Michael. --000000000000c0196f0595ba50b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

Discussing with Pascal and Mi= chael, we would like to know if you think that unaware-leaves draft should = be normative in useofrplinfo.

Please find below so= me discussion points:=C2=A0

The RUL draft introduces a new beast to the RPL famil= y, a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C but can now attach= to the network and benefit from special forwarding rules, provided that it= implements the RUL draft and some dependencies listed therein. Use-Of-RPL-= Info aligned to the WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a risk if it is published= too soon that it is not 100% aligned. The misalignment we noted is mostly = a terminology thing: is a RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550= =E2=80=9C, or should we carry additional meaning like support of the RUL dr= aft and/or the dependencies.

=C2=A0

The behavior for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info world for t= he is correct but it could apply to a slightly wider definition of a RUL th= an what the RUL draft considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement th= e RUL draft and even RFC 8505, but 2) never moves (tethered to the router o= r embedded therein), could also attach to a RPL network provided that the r= outer does a new set of things, like handles the sequence counter and =C2= =A0stuff, and there could be tons of variations of that guy e.g., =C2=A0whe= ther that guy could provide an =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware RPLinstan= ceID though it does not speak RFC 6550. The description of the operation of= a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for that guy as well, but that operati= on is not defined. IOW that guy is does not (yet) belong to the RPL family,= and will hopefully never do, because the original 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted = by RFC 8505, so why not just do that?

=C2=A0

To maximize the coverage of Use-Of-RPL-Info,= we should need to include that guy in the generic =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D de= finition. I=E2=80=99m not too interested in defining all the variations of = =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less to give a name to all the variatio= ns, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on their behalf based o= n new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I=E2=80=99m happy enoug= h if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope that is reduced= to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they are the only ones for which= we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus the proposal to make the RU= L draft a normative reference and live a few months with a missref.<= u>

=C2=A0<= u>

Changes were d= one in the RUL draft to ensure that the operation described for a RUL in Us= e-Of-RPL-Info is compatible with the new beast that the RUL draft considers= , making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by Use-Of-RPL-Info. B= ecause when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of external route. the= doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to introduce a different b= ehavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D. As t= he text was changed for other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D indic= ating e.g., the need to route via the parent and thus to use Non-Storing si= gnaling.

=C2=A0

Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of= -RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is d= ifferent if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (ne= ed to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). Th= at new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized= in a=C2=A0 new section. the=C2=A0 text was moved about routing from the RU= L draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please find that te= xt inline below:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Rou= tes with Non-Storing

Mode Signaling.

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6= 550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to

indicate that the 6= LR that generates the DAO redistributes external

targets into the RPL ne= twork. An external Target is a Target that

<= tr>

has been learned through an a= lternate protocol, for instance a route

<= td style=3D"padding:0.75pt">

to a prefix that is outside the = RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR.

Being outside of the RPL domain, a n= ode that is reached via an

external target cannot be guaranteed to igno= re the RPL artifacts and

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] com= pression correctly.

This means that the RPL artifacts should be containe= d in an IP-in-IP

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that an= y remaining

compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards= a packet

ou= tside the RPL domain.

=

This specification update= s RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

=

targets are advertised using = Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a

Storing-Mode network. This way, all= packets to an external target

reach the Root that can encapsulate them,= and the Root is informed of

<= table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">

the address of the 6LR that terminates the = IP-in-IP tunnel.=C2=A0In case

<= table border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0">

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use = the same IP-in-IP

encapsulation for packets that it generates or that a= re originated

=

within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from t= he

<= span style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-family:"Courier New"">Internet.=

A RUL is a special case of external target when= the target is

actually a host and it is known to support a consumed= Routing Header

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200]= .=C2=A0The target

may have been learned through as a host route or may = have been

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation = MAY be

<= /td>

avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to proc= ess

=

= the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation.=

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN,= it is beneficial

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but tha= t is not assumed

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that enca= psulates a

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it = is aware

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation.

<= /td>

<= /tr>

A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected t= o

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and

<= /table>

ev= en when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that

injected= an external route MUST uncompress the packet before

forwarding over tha= t external route.

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

So where are we?

=C2=A0

We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a = RUL for which=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a s= pecial behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for wh= ich there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing = where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support= the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see= the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL op= eration for one version of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say = whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or as an =E2= =80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D=C2=A0in=C2= =A0Use-Of-RPL-Info.

=C2=A0

Thus the proposal to that that the= operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that= supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to de= fine what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian ro= le to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the RUL draft till the= last minute because it is not published too hastly.


Looking forward to your reactions,

=


Ines, Pascal and Michael.



=C2=A0



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<157203792639.2724.166909852859957343.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:12:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] roll - Requested sessions have been scheduled for IETF 106 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:18:44 -0000 Dear Ines Robles, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. roll Session 1 (2:00 requested) Monday, 18 November 2019, Afternoon Session II 1550-1750 Room Name: Orchard size: 50 --------------------------------------------- roll Session 2 (2:00 requested) Tuesday, 19 November 2019, Morning Session I 1000-1200 Room Name: Olivia size: 150 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/sessions/roll.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Ines Robles Number of Sessions: 2 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours, 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair Conflict: anima manet 6tisch core ace Technology Overlap: rtgarea 6lo 6man lwig cbor t2trg Key Participant Conflict: rtgwg intarea lpwan People who must be present: Michael Richardson Peter van der Stok Alvaro Retana Ines Robles Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 25 14:40:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A515F120020; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:40:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s6XTCTwsmBUO; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 418BB12004A; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 14:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.110] (p5089AE1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [80.137.174.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 470HZr6TG3zyY2; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:40:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 593732402.649407-4eb0b1ee7dd6d06073bda1c648ac970a Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: <53E8DF5C-2D98-4B7C-B183-9D6585E1CF0D@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 23:40:04 +0200 To: 6lo@ietf.org, 6tisch@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, lwip@ietf.org, roll@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF106: FINAL AGENDA X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2019 21:40:11 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the FINAL AGENDA for IETF106. Remember that, occasionally, futher agenda changes do happen. Quite a bit has been moved around from the draft agenda. LAKE no longer conflicts with SUIT, TMRID is now on top of ROLL and TEEP which is maybe a bit less of a problem for most. ACE/RATS still conflict (and the other RATS meeting has moved from Monday to Friday on top of COINRG, but you can do this RATS thing without me, can you?). WPACK no longer conflicts with COSE (but now does with LAKE, which again probably just is a personal problem), LAKE/ANIMA is a technology and a potential user again. All times are SGT (Singapore Time) =3D=3D UTC + 8 hours (=3D=3D China = time). Singapore doesn't obey the daylight savings myth. (Pure UTC times at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc are useful for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten FRIDAY, November 15, 2019 -- T2TRG/W3C WoT Workshop @ NUSS (https://is.gd/XWSfi8) SATURDAY, November 16, 2019 0830-2200 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison SUNDAY, November 17, 2019 0830-1600 IETF Hackathon - Moor/Morrison 1700-1900 Welcome Reception - Fairmont Ballroom Foyer 1800-2000 Hot RFC Lightning Talks -- Padang MONDAY, November 18, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Olivia IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking Collyer SEC mathmesh MatheMatical Mesh BOF 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I VIP A INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG - Joint with HOMENET VIP A INT homenet Home Networking WG - Joint with DNSSD Olivia IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Canning IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Padang SEC txauth Transactional Authorization and = Delegation BOF Sophia TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Canning ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Padang IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Collyer OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Orchard RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Olivia INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Padang IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols TUESDAY, November 19, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I VIP A INT tmrid Trustworthy Multipurpose Remote ID BOF Olivia RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Sophia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Padang ART abcd Application Behavior Considering DNS BOF VIP A RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Sophia SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Hullet TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Sophia GEN git GitHub Integration and Tooling WG Collyer INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Olivia SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG VIP A SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Hullet TSV taps Transport Services WG 1710-1840 Afternoon Session III Hullet IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Proposed Research Group Sophia OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Padang SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG WEDNESDAY, November 20, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Canning RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless BOF Olivia SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Padang TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Collyer ART webtrans WebTransport BOF Sophia INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Canning IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Olivia SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Collyer ART wpack Web Packaging BOF Hullet OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Sophia SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = WG 1710-1940 IETF Plenary - Canning/Padang THURSDAY, November 21, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Sophia IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Orchard RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Padang SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Canning TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Collyer ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Sophia INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Olivia RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Canning SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Padang INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Collyer RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Sophia SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG Hullet SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Hullet ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Sophia INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Collyer RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Canning SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Padang TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting FRIDAY, November 22, 2019 1000-1200 Morning Session I Hullet INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Sophia IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Proposed = Research Group Canning SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Orchard SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 1220-1350 Morning Session II Hullet ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Sophia IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Olivia SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG From nobody Fri Oct 25 17:54:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E1212004A for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2019 17:54:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 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X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2019 04:48:26 -0000 --_000_BM1PR01MB2612EC4F16CB281160899285A9670BM1PR01MB2612INDP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not ha= ve caught a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a = mail) during the 106-session. Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. " I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR = advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targets= are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wha= t we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to whic= h the external target is attaching) handle the external target in non-stori= ng mode. This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing a= nd storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. Th= is has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens u= p a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I am apprehens= ive of adding such text to useofrplinfo. Regarding following, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft f= or which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different t= hing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that su= pport the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? " I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is = a defined RPL behavior. In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initia= lly thought. Regards, Rahul ________________________________ Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-R= PL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is dif= ferent if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need= to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That= new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized i= n a new section. the text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline be= low: =93 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing Mode Signaling. Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet outside the RPL domain. This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the Internet. A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200].. The target may have been learned through as a host route or may have been registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before forwarding over that external route. =93 So where are we? We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which Use-= Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common w= ith the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we defin= e a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset o= f the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL= operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new = draft defines the RPL operation for one version of =93that guy=94 then is c= an also say whether =93that guy=94 should be handled as a RUL or as an =93e= xternal destination=94 in Use-Of-RPL-Info. Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a =93RUL=94 in Use-Of-RPL-I= nfo is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a nor= mative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF wil= l play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with = the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hastly. Looking forward to your reactions, Ines, Pascal and Michael. --_000_BM1PR01MB2612EC4F16CB281160899285A9670BM1PR01MB2612INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. = I am sure I would not have caught a drift if this would have been talked ab= out directly (without a mail) during the 106-session.

Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: 

"

Thi= s specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external<= /u>

tar= gets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a

Sto= ring-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target

rea= ch the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of

the= address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel.
"
I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR = advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targets= are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wha= t we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to which the external target is attach= ing) handle the external target in non-storing mode.
This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing a= nd storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. Th= is has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens up a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I= am apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo.

Regarding foll= owing, "= Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defi= ned RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-In= fo handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and = for which there is a defined RPL operation? "
=
I certainly feel that we should limit the ground co= mmon for which there is a defined RPL behavior.

In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broa= der impact than I initially thought.

Regards,
Rahul


Then that text was stripped off the R= UL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on= the forwarding behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be = made on the external destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That= new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized i= n a  new section. the  text was moved about routing from the RUL = draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below:

 

=93

<= /u> 

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise Externa= l Routes with Non-Storing

Mode Signaling.

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the= 'E' flag that is set to

indicate that the 6LR that generates the D= AO redistributes external

targets into the RPL network. An external = Target is a Target that

has been learned through an alternate prot= ocol, for instance a route

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain= but reachable via a 6LR.

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node th= at is reached via an

external target cannot be guaranteed to ig= nore the RPL artifacts and

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138= ] compression correctly.

This means that the RPL artifacts should b= e contained in an IP-in-IP

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, = and that any remaining

compression should be expanded by the 6LR = before it forwards a packet

outside the RPL domain.

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] t= o RECOMMEND that external

targets are advertised using Non-Storing M= ode signaling even in a

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packet= s to an external target

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, = and the Root is informed of

the address of the 6LR that terminates the= IP-in-IP tunnel. In case

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use= the same IP-in-IP

encapsulation for packets that it generate= s or that are originated

within the RPL domain as if the packets we= re coming from the

Internet.

A RUL is a special case of external target= when the target is

actually a host and it is known to support= a consumed Routing Header

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed b= y [RFC8200].. The target

may have been learned through as a host ro= ute or may have been

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-= in-IP encapsulation MAY be

avoided for Root to RUL communication if t= he RUL is known to process

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR= without decapsulation.

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to= a 6LN, it is beneficial

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-= IP, but that is not assumed

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Roo= t that encapsulates a

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a pa= rent 6LR unless it is aware

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulati= on.

A node that is reachable over an external = route is not expected to

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation= took place or not and

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet= to a RUL, the 6LR that

injected an external route MUST uncompress= the packet before

forwarding over that external route.

=93

 

So where are we?

 

We need to agree on what we p= lace in the definition of a RUL for which = Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground comm= on with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-R= PL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft= and for which there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need beca= use if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of =93that guy=94 then= is can also say whether =93that guy=94 should be handled as a RUL or as an= =93external destination=94 in Use-Of-RPL-Info.

 

Thus the proposal to that tha= t the operation of a =93RUL=94 in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that suppor= ts the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to define wh= at that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent w= ith the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hast= ly.


Looking forward to your react= ions,


Ines, Pascal and Michael.



 



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Toshio You're correct: RPL carries the commands, but there's still a PCE. My conclusion from this thread is that there's indeed a need to explain how= PDAo segments are assembled into a Track as opposed to letting the reader = guess... All the best; Pascal From: Roll On Behalf Of toshio9.ito@toshiba.co.jp Sent: jeudi 25 juillet 2019 04:09 To: roll@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] stitching PDAO segments Hi Pascal, I thought 6TiSCH Track forwarding is a completely different forwarding sche= me from RPL/IPv6 forwarding, as implied in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-i= etf-6tisch-architecture-24#section-3.6 In that case, we don't have to relate DAO projection and Track, I think. Or, maybe DAO projection is one implementation of Track forwarding, with RP= L root playing the role of PCE? From: Roll > On Behalf = Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:10 AM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Subject: [Roll] stitching PDAO segments Dear all Following up on stitching PDAO paths at the meeting today: As you know, a 6TiSCH Track can be a lot more complex than a sequence of no= des (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#sect= ion-4.5.3) It results that deploying a Track requires stitching segments into a DODAG = from source to destination. What makes the most sense for a 6TISCH Track is probably that each track is= defined as a DODAG local instance for the source. All the PDAO segments wo= uld be stitched together into that DODAG to form a Track. The current draft allows for this but a section that explains it all would = certainly be useful. Are we all OK that I propose some text about that? All the best Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB3565EE67426469E4B7460949D8660MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Tos= hio

&nbs= p;

You’re correct: RPL carries the commands, but there’s sti= ll a PCE.

My conclusion from this thread is that there’s indeed a need to= explain how PDAo segments are assembled into a Track as opposed to letting= the reader guess…

 

 

All the best;

 

Pascal

 

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of toshio9.ito@toshiba.co.jp
Sent: jeudi 25 juillet 2019 04:09
To: roll@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Roll] stitching PDAO segments

 

Hi Pascal,

 

I thought 6TiSCH Track forwarding is a completel= y different forwarding scheme

from RPL/IPv6 forwarding, as implied in https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#section-3.6

 

In that case, we don't have to relate DAO projec= tion and Track, I think.

Or, maybe DAO projection is one implementation o= f Track forwarding, with RPL root playing

the role of PCE?

 

 

From: Roll <roll-bounces@= ietf.org> On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:10 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] stitching PDAO segments

 

Dear all

 

Following up on stitching PDAO = paths at the meeting today:

 

As you know, a 6TiSCH Track can= be a lot more complex than a sequence of nodes (see https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-6tisch-architecture-24#section-4.5.3= )

It results that deploying a Tra= ck requires stitching segments into a DODAG from source to destination.

What makes the most sense for a= 6TISCH Track is probably that each track is defined as a DODAG local insta= nce for the source. All the PDAO segments would be stitched together into t= hat DODAG to form a Track.

The current draft allows for th= is but a section that explains it all would certainly be useful.

 

Are we all OK that I propose so= me text about that?

 

All the best<= /p>

 

Pascal

--_000_MN2PR11MB3565EE67426469E4B7460949D8660MN2PR11MB3565namp_-- From nobody Mon Oct 28 12:52:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DAE212006D; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cvm8-uk2bZ_L; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E31912004E; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id r1so11189624wrs.9; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=amIog+K+cRkHaFfzD81/SfaQCV8TKJNFI0qXkC13oIA=; b=P4i9JjzCgHOoWtDQL6PHqh4s7ca96cFLHsCL4KCKGLNPL0Vn6tJ6RwC2Rz21Jzneje U51FixL+DRkAgPNl4utv9emr7ndmTjmn73wluon4eOXE/ovcpLy8hLGkNHUbgHDpKFgI WUxOAWbShAGz4vTPbdHlJeqijFAFwp0d3LZNgxRq0vrzjojC/goAkdMJoZmwxZoVWqzq TpOVbC1OwsV9plNU6+nk0z03KouzyhmPSPNplsSOf9ZXU3i9XJEGRQlVA94TmyuPsO3k RkxqOwk3X6PH92MDvZQ45TTLbMfbKlugl6DX6di4SKyU3pp1WgPytQdGXtHS8UeqLBCC 86zQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=amIog+K+cRkHaFfzD81/SfaQCV8TKJNFI0qXkC13oIA=; b=rOF697oFYKGwECPfaZ7IzzjJ/b6F8ejus6Jb+irgl1fWzNR0dENhhhPxeC6gLlld0G NHHysp1pDXChVpv1CpENwt8Hc/++ea2VWjuMObM7DVVELCtq6INEKh4Ai0u5mpGgWnHO M8WJg+7ymmrcznhd14CLJMbNnBOH1jwXpGZQF/G6dMHsvWhHYB1v0OHt7wF6MMTKFH5n 3ruJAKnz8a59mDkdcxBUZN2/ttYfQb7cozeArdzbmm8vTHEzvwK373p0LFCOCGAzPpnV F+XrwxfeC59LAKMMX394d0zgjqa45C2/EARvCbtskg764S5NDDz0nUBH39Pd82xTiypK PQJg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXXhQkU9Ur5gmvDVSMcZbb19NyCgWpfHYV5C/aRClvCK143EhXY JewyJTmmUyC6RXFxKY2o4KYc3r2IgBIRinyNhx8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxrxFYCsqVMX8rfJdkBlg34WJuBaf8KBZSBgbr5ZlbJCxHJgTP927+bdxOsox3+njEqdj1z51RKpPMFnnpTvhw= X-Received: by 2002:adf:a3da:: with SMTP id m26mr16767894wrb.365.1572292331821; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 1058052472880 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:10 -0700 From: Alvaro Retana In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 12:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org" Cc: "roll-chairs@ietf.org" , roll , Peter van der Stok Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:52:16 -0000 On October 25, 2019 at 2:08:48 PM, Pascal Thubert wrote: Pascal: Hi! > > > When the address moves on the backbone, the RPL state in the old DODA= G > > > is Cleaned from the 6LBR down. And the status from 6BBR to 6LBR is > > > moved so the expectation is that it percolates down. The rejection is > > > mostly to cleanup RPL since the leaf is expected to be long gone and > > > registered in a different DODAG across the backbone. > > > > I think I understand -- homogenizing is not a bad thing. :-) > > > > However, I am still concerned about a couple of things: > > > > (1) the values are not the same...for example, "moved" in rfc8505 has a > > value of 3, not 130. Why not use the same value? The answer to this que= stion > > overflows into my second concern... > > It cannot be a convergence because RPL had rules in > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6550#section-6.5.1 whereby the status belo= w > 128 are warning. > That provision was not really used so far to my best knowledge. So we cou= ld > drop it. We chose not to so far. Could be done though if that's your > recommendation. I think that would be a lot clearer...but that is a decision that the WG needs to make. > > (2) draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves doesn't update the allocation guidel= ines > > from rfc6550 (=C2=A76.5.1) for the Status, which then lands "moved" in = the > > "Rejection" range. IOW, the meaning is changed, but the original meanin= g of > > the DAO-ACK Status is not updated... > > > > [We are not reviewing draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves here, so some of t= hese > > comments can be saved for later. ;-)] > > I see: we need to indicate that we update/extend the semantics of a the > DAO-ACK status. > Should that be indicated in npdao draft or in unaware leaves, where the I= ANA > is done for all? If the IANA update is to be done in draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves, then there (that is part of the reason for the Normative dependence below). > > Needless to say, I don't like this approach. To be clear, what I don't like is the fact that message that seem to be intended for different things (ND, DAO-ACK, DCO) share the same status information...and that it is not consistently corresponding (the same values don't mean the same things...)....so while homogenizing is a good thing, we seem to (currently) only go half way. > What would your recommendation be? The need is to transport the 6LoWPAN > status back in DAO-ACK and DAR messages. > The whole game is to divide the amount of recurrent messages by 2, by > implicitly transport the periodic ND DAR in a periodic RPL DAO. > The DAO-ACK is pretty small and pretty full already so stealing the lefto= ver > bits to transport both separately seems difficult. > > > But if the WG wants to go > > forward this way, then I want to make this document Normatively depend = on > > draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves because that is where the registry and > > meaning for the Status values are defined. I also think that because of > > that, we will want to hold sending this document back to the RFC Editor > > until we get the final text for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves (and dec= ide > > that we don't need additional review for this document). > > That works for me, we can speed up unaware-leaves, it is mostly done. > > > > > One more thing, in reading through rfc8505, I found this text (which I = had > > completely missed before): > > > > If the receiver of the message has registration state corresponding to = the > > related address, it SHOULD propagate the status down the forwarding pat= h > > to the Registered Node (e.g., reversing an existing RPL [RFC6550] path = as > > prescribed in [Efficient-NPDAO]). > > > > So...if the rfc8505 status is "moved" (which is actually the topic of t= he > > paragraph from where the text above was taken in =C2=A75.7), what shoul= d be > > propagated using the DCO? 130? Where is that specified? > > > > We are specifying it right now in Efficient-NPDAO. RFC 8505 was forward > looking to that respect. It had to indicate the ND status for that case a= nd > that status is "moved". > - It means the guys was down there but is no more. Which is exactly the t= opic > of NPDAA, cleanup a downwards path that leads to a location from which th= e > target has moved away. > - But it could not discuss how RPL translates it back and forth. The gene= ric > spec for that is unaware-leaves. DCO is a special case of RC/status that > matches "moved" in RFC 8505. Ok...so this piece is also dependent on draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves. =C2=A0I expect then clear pointers from draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao to it. > > > > [major] "the RPL Status MUST NOT be changed...is informative and > > > > does not affect the behavior of the receiver...unknown values are > > > > ignored...Only Rejection Codes (values of 128 and above) are expect= ed in > > > > a DCO." > > > > > > > > If the value doesn't matter (informative) and unknown ones are > > > > ignored, why specify that it MUST NOT change? What is the Normative > > > > value of that? > > Because in some cases it will be turned into ND again and in those cases = the > meaning must be conveyed unmodified. NPDAO is the only vector we have in > storing mode to convey something all the way down since the DAO-ACK is on= e > hop. > ... > > Sorry...let me try again. I see two problems: > > > > (1) The values are informative, but Normatively are not to change. > > How can the "MUST NOT" be enforced in the network? How would a > > receiver know if the value was changed (or not)? You added that "we can > > reliably act differently per status value" (but the text currently > > reads: "value is informative and does not affect the behavior of the > > receiver") -- having a consistent/reliable behavior can be achieved onl= y if > > it can be guaranteed that the value didn't change. If it did change, wh= at > > is the expected behavior? > > The meaning we wanted to convey is that when propagating down the DCO, th= e > status from the parent MUST be repeated unchanged to the children. Yes, I understand. My question is from the Normative point of view. =C2=A0The rfc2119 keywords "MUST only be used where it is actually required for interoperation". If informative, then we don't need "MUST NOT"...but if there is a behavior expectation (or as you wrote above: "be turned into ND again and in those cases the meaning must be conveyed unmodified"), then the required behavior should be able to be verified somehow...and, ideally, the specification should include an indication of what the behavior should be if the mandatory action is not met. =C2=A0We can of course trust that nodes will follow the specification and will not change the contents of the status... So..I would like to see a couple of things: (1) A clear indication of whether specific behavior is expected (you have mentioned it twice in this thread, but the document doesn't reflect that) or not based on the status. (2) Text (maybe in the security considerations) pointing out the effect of, changing the value in-flight, and how (if possible) to mitigate it. > Suggestion to reword from the perspective of the intermediate router. > > > (2) If only values > 128 are expected, then what should a receiver do i= f a > > value < 128 is received? Should the DCO not be propagated further? > > Yes, the DCO should be propagated and as done today, it causes the > destruction of the path regardless of the value of the status, even a war= ning > <128. > Should we change that so a warning is propagated but the route is conserv= ed > or something? There is no known usage of that today, does that protect th= e > future better? Going back to the text, which reads: "Only Rejection Codes (values of 128 and above) are expected in a DCO." =C2=A0Also, going back to your statements above about specific behavior resulting from the status value. =C2=A0I just want to make sure the specification is clear related to what should be done; if any value is ok, then the text is, at minimum not clear...if the behavior depends on the value, then there's an effect if the value is not that is expected... I hope we're making progress. =C2=A0If not, we might want to think about speaking live. :-) Thanks! Alvaro. 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Peter: thank you for all the time and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to workin= g with you in the future! In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in the IETF for over 10 years. He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.com. I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. The expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. Welcome Dominique! Thanks! Alvaro. --000000000000fac56405960c1fe6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Dear roll WG:

Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue = as roll Co-Chair, a position in which he has served for over 3 years.=C2=A0= Peter: thank you for all the time and effort you have put into the WG =E2= =80=94 we all look forward to working with you in the future!

In consultation with Ines, we ha= ve asked Dominique Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Chair.=C2=A0 Domi= nique has been an active participant in the IETF for over 10 years.=C2=A0 H= e can be reached at=C2=A0do= minique.barthel@orange.com.

I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any trans= ition.=C2=A0 The expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at I= ETF 106.=C2=A0 Welcome Dominique!

Thanks!

Alvaro.
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Welcome Dominique and congratulations!

= Peter: Thank you for your work and effort during this period=C2=A0@ Roll.

Regards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Diego=C2=A0

Le= =C2=A0mar. 29 oct. 2019 =C3=A0=C2=A009:55, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2= =A0:
Dear roll WG:

Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-C= hair, a position in which he has served for over 3 years.=C2=A0 Peter: than= k you for all the time and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all= look forward to working with you in the future!

In consultation with Ines, we have asked Domi= nique Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Chair.=C2=A0 Dominique has bee= n an active participant in the IETF for over 10 years.=C2=A0 He can be reac= hed at=C2=A0dominique.barthel@orange.com.

I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any = transition.=C2=A0 The expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter= at IETF 106.=C2=A0 Welcome Dominique!

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa - Universidad Diego Portales - Chile=
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Tue, 29 Oct 2019 06:05:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ines Robles Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 15:04:50 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001e788305960c45df" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] New roll Co-Chair X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:05:30 -0000 --0000000000001e788305960c45df Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thank you very much to Peter for the excellent job done :) and to Dominique for willing to serve the working group as co-chair :). Best, Ines. On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: > Dear roll WG: > > Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chair, a = position > in which he has served for over 3 years. Peter: thank you for all the ti= me > and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to work= ing with > you in the future! > > In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the > role of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in the > IETF for over 10 years. He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.co= m > . > > I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. The > expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. Welco= me > Dominique! > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000001e788305960c45df Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Thank you very much to=C2=A0Peter f= or the excellent job done :) and to Dominique for willing to serve the work= ing group=C2=A0as co-chair :).

Best,
Ines.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrot= e:
Dear roll WG:

Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chai= r, a position in which he has served for over 3 years.=C2=A0 Peter: thank y= ou for all the time and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all lo= ok forward to working with you in the future!

In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominiq= ue Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Chair.=C2=A0 Dominique has been a= n active participant in the IETF for over 10 years.=C2=A0 He can be reached= at=C2=A0= dominique.barthel@orange.com.

I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any tra= nsition.=C2=A0 The expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at= IETF 106.=C2=A0 Welcome Dominique!

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dd3dca05960ca7b8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] New roll Co-Chair X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 13:33:07 -0000 --000000000000dd3dca05960ca7b8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Peter for all you helped accomplish during your tenure. Welcome Dominique! Cheers, Kerry On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:17 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Many thanks Peter for your great chairmanship over the years! > > > > Pascal > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alvaro Retana > wrote: > > Dear roll WG: > > > > Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chair, a = position > in which he has served for over 3 years. Peter: thank you for all the ti= me > and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to work= ing with > you in the future! > > > > In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the > role of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in the > IETF for over 10 years. He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.co= m > . > > > > I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. The > expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. Welco= me > Dominique! > > > > Thanks! > > > > Alvaro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000dd3dca05960ca7b8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Peter for all you helped accomplish during = your tenure.
Welcome Dominique!

Chee= rs, Kerry

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 9:17 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert= ) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrot= e:

Many thanks Peter for your grea= t chairmanship over the years!

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmai= l.com> wrote:

Dear roll WG:

=C2=A0

Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continu= e as roll Co-Chair, a position in which he has served for over 3 years.=C2= =A0 Peter: thank you for all the time and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to working with you in the f= uture!

=C2=A0

In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique = Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Chair.=C2=A0 Dominique has been an a= ctive participant in the IETF for over 10 years.=C2=A0 He can be reached at=C2=A0dominique.barthel@orange.com.

=C2=A0

I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitat= e any transition.=C2=A0 The expectation is that he will fully take over for= Peter at IETF 106.=C2=A0 Welcome Dominique!

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Alvaro.

=C2=A0

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Most welcome Dominique and congratulations. See you all in Singapore. Safe travels! Best, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of Alvaro Retana Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:55 PM To: roll Subject: [Roll] New roll Co-Chair Dear roll WG: Due to work constraints Peter can=92t continue as roll Co-Chair, a position= in which he has served for over 3 years. Peter: thank you for all the tim= e and effort you have put into the WG =97 we all look forward to working wi= th you in the future! In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the r= ole of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in the IETF= for over 10 years. He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.com. I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. The e= xpectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. Welcome = Dominique! Thanks! 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Thank you Peter for all the work and guidance over the course.
Most welcome Dominique and congratulations.

See you all in Singapore. Safe travels!=

Best,
Rahul
From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:55 PM
To: roll <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] New roll Co-Chair
 
Dear roll WG:

Due to work cons= traints Peter can=92t continue as roll Co-Chair, a position in which he has= served for over 3 years.  Peter: thank you for all the time and effor= t you have put into the WG =97 we all look forward to working with you in the future!

In consultation = with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-C= hair.  Dominique has been an active participant in the IETF for over 1= 0 years.  He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.com.

I am adding Domi= nique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition.  The expectation = is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106.  Welcome Domini= que!

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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And a warm welcome to Dominique! Cheers, Alexander On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:38 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Thank you Peter for all the work and guidance over the course. > Most welcome Dominique and congratulations. > > See you all in Singapore. Safe travels! > > Best, > Rahul > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roll on behalf of Alvaro Retana < > aretana.ietf@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:55 PM > *To:* roll > *Subject:* [Roll] New roll Co-Chair > > Dear roll WG: > > Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chair, a = position > in which he has served for over 3 years. Peter: thank you for all the ti= me > and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to work= ing with > you in the future! > > In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the > role of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in the > IETF for over 10 years. He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.co= m > . > > I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. The > expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. Welco= me > Dominique! > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000189d4505960d039f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Peter, for all the work and personal investment, t= hanks to which the group advanced successfully over the years!

And a warm welcome to Dominique!

Cheers,
Alexander=C2=A0

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:38 PM Rahul Jadhav = <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrot= e:
Thank you Peter for all the work and guidance over the course.
Most welcome Dominique and congratulations.

See you all in Singapore.=C2=A0Safe travels!

Best,
Rahul
Fro= m: Roll <= roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>= ;
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:55 PM
To: roll <roll= @ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] New roll Co-Chair
=C2=A0
Dear roll WG:

Due to work const= raints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chair, a position in which h= e has served for over 3 years.=C2=A0 Peter: thank you for all the time and = effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to working with you in the future!

In consultation w= ith Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Ch= air.=C2=A0 Dominique has been an active participant in the IETF for over 10= years.=C2=A0 He can be reached at=C2=A0dominique.barthel@orange.com.

I am adding Domin= ique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition.=C2=A0 The expectation i= s that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106.=C2=A0 Welcome Dominiq= ue!

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simpl= e draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable tu= rning it on in an brown field. There's no black magic and it would be good to progress it in the backgroun= d rather than forget it. Could we consider adoption? All the best Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB3565D8323B4C7860396B2F8DD8610MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple draft that completes RF= C 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.

There’s no black magic an= d it would be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it. = Could we consider adoption?

 

All the best<= /p>

 

Pascal

--_000_MN2PR11MB3565D8323B4C7860396B2F8DD8610MN2PR11MB3565namp_-- From nobody Tue Oct 29 07:35:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E65120103 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:35:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AV6BD9iCFsae for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-x332.google.com (mail-ot1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68E7912000F for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-x332.google.com with SMTP id b16so9901853otk.9 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:35:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fYAfAyIj5J/5tIPeHTI0sF/pwc4I/OaDNhnigz8y/AY=; b=GF4STVZuAkAfrMZwnIypi8eTTk5TUxZ7wNko0Ie3CaOw8zPhaAjxj9AqV4IKmHjG6w Bbhe2JzC0JFAuoWf0GOpl7zKrIbz29e4yc6UfN0NiHfLvKy/f+QEThD3UADv4/96vOcJ 4knHsqrTd7qKUlwQzavONPpMPFG/baccdx9bRTfm8hA+XS3D7U07Ov2Tq/tqWaPF6BLo KWiCFKaTRREVBmNax4ZqOLnBkwCnO1b1syOIdWb0EFL/wCVtmqn+YgKtXf+EJ1WeYO2b 3w2acuv7fv8unT6kZvMY/aAZ2MltRGmSdxq0eGjgxlq6aRFli5bXCJ+cpemjFM24QWMI caRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fYAfAyIj5J/5tIPeHTI0sF/pwc4I/OaDNhnigz8y/AY=; b=SHmR+Aqowu/YNdmHMsaDweUx8lu6PgHcUEkqmsd1wYFsP+m/M7NvCISkf+aCQYSm3b KpdXDd5KNH6BUi8PS2c1btQcpq8/fAklz60K6GaFV+1SL6iYdn8dz/RkohgzCyoqLsOW X+RGwxkg45Kh+B106T6D4FbDqx8qVJVGvhJthE0btBgL6aD3SzyJ8GbxRLHoDiYJtbEM 6p1FOLJlFHF40W4yQVVf4j2nVUQ/Ins9XocYuelHqdR7G3g60Q0E/8PfQF8g7bzGJi5Y 07W4o6nGDMIG/O+SPkQ8O69SoU0XPsHOI8Npv7PbSWk2IPvEegtVTS/nUQDaJ8U2yWuo 1law== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUr014UslpNwq8dLSAhvAlPwCGtozfPFcXaQN/kpdJn+AsjdCuL nhVvzWW5W2qav8sR5fZ+8PdEdTkpTzk4YBpTkOwvM+oUyNw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzEHkPE3MiYLGJbJfJxhs3lT1ostdYOBBZjGoNSB8A/Xll9feEXVHvqvLQYU8WeQ/1bQUCyi+3xycMA5UJOFbE= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5914:: with SMTP id t20mr1077457oth.306.1572359747952; Tue, 29 Oct 2019 07:35:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 11:35:35 -0300 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003c74a705960d88d4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 14:35:52 -0000 --0000000000003c74a705960d88d4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of this draft. El mar., 29 de octubre de 2019 11:34, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> escribi=C3=B3: > Dear all > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a > simple draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to > enable turning it on in an brown field. > > There=E2=80=99s no black magic and it would be good to progress it in the > background rather than forget it. Could we consider adoption? > > > > All the best > > > > Pascal > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000003c74a705960d88d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support the adoption of this draft.

El mar., 29 de octub= re de 2019 11:34, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> escribi=C3=B3:
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Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_79BC8346-DA88-4BF3-AB6E-78413F1346B9" Message-Id: <46D139EA-20D7-4DD6-ABD9-5FD994AFDE3D@imt-atlantique.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 19:43:55 +0100 References: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] New roll Co-Chair X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2019 18:44:02 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_79BC8346-DA88-4BF3-AB6E-78413F1346B9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 @Peter : thank you very much for the excellent job!=20 @Dominique : warmest welcome :-) Georgios > On Oct 29, 2019, at 13:55, Alvaro Retana = wrote: >=20 > Dear roll WG: >=20 > Due to work constraints Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chair, = a position in which he has served for over 3 years. Peter: thank you = for all the time and effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all = look forward to working with you in the future! >=20 > In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on = the role of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in = the IETF for over 10 years. He can be reached at = dominique.barthel@orange.com . >=20 > I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. = The expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. = Welcome Dominique! >=20 > Thanks! >=20 > Alvaro. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll = --Apple-Mail=_79BC8346-DA88-4BF3-AB6E-78413F1346B9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 @Peter : thank you very much for the excellent job! 
@Dominique : warmest welcome :-)

Georgios


On Oct 29, 2019, at 13:55, Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear roll WG:

Due to work constraints = Peter can=E2=80=99t continue as roll Co-Chair, a position in which he = has served for over 3 years.  Peter: thank you for all the time and = effort you have put into the WG =E2=80=94 we all look forward to working = with you in the future!

In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to = take on the role of roll Co-Chair.  Dominique has been an active = participant in the IETF for over 10 years.  He can be reached = at dominique.barthel@orange.com.

I am adding Dominique = as a third Chair to facilitate any transition.  The expectation is = that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106.  Welcome = Dominique!

Thanks!

Alvaro.

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Hi!

I=E2=80=99m fine with the changes proposed to=C2=A0draft-ietf-r= oll-efficient-npdao.

I want to see the WG reach consensus on the changes related to=C2=A0draft= -ietf-roll-unaware-leaves.

Thanks!

Alv= aro.

On October 29, 2019 at 5:52:13 AM, P= ascal Thubert (pthubert) (pthubert@ci= sco.com) wrote:

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=C2=A0If you agree with the proposed line above I'll make = editions and come back to you for more comments and/or approval.=C2=A0
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yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have an update by tomorrow as well as responses to Rahul's comments. Best, Aris On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > I had sent my comments sometime before. > Link: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/Y-zFm6XQPwwMYRqTQYbyBwe9Qm4 > > I certainly feel the draft needs updates. > > Regards, > Rahul > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roll on behalf of > dominique.barthel@orange.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM > *To:* roll@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Roll] WGLC for =E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 > > Dear all, > > A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for > *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. > The draft is available here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ > Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for > publication and send comments to the list stating your view. > Thank you very much in advance, > > Ines, Peter and Dominique. > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hello,

yes, I was planning t= o addess them, I should have an update by tomorrow as well as responses to = Rahul's comments.

Best,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
I had sent my comments sometime before.

I certainly feel the draft needs updates.

Regards,
Rahul=C2=A0
Fro= m: Roll <= roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.com <dominique.bar= thel@orange.com>
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Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
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Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

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Hi,

The Call for adoption fi= nalizes on 13th November,=C2=A0

Please let us know= your opinion.

Thank you,=C2=A0

Ines, Dominique and Peter

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thub= ert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com= > wrote:

Dear all

=C2=A0

https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple draft= that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.

There=E2=80=99s no black magic = and it would be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it= . Could we consider adoption?

=C2=A0

All the best

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Pascal

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boundary="000000000000c1db6e05961edd4c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 11:16:42 -0000 --000000000000c1db6e05961edd4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rahul, Thank you very much for the detailed review, few comments in-line. On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:49 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not > have caught a drift if this would have been talked about directly (withou= t > a mail) during the 106-session. > > Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: > > " > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a > > Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target > > reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of > > the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. > " > I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6L= R > advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targe= ts > are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wh= at > we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to whic= h > the external target is attaching) handle the external target in non-stori= ng > mode. > This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing > and storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. > This has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text > opens up a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I am > apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo. > We are going to improve that text, to avoid wrong interpretations, and clarifying the methodology when the traffic is directed to the RUL. > > Regarding following, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft > for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new differen= t > thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that > support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? " > > I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there i= s > a defined RPL behavior. > Ok, thank you. > > In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I > initially thought. > Agree :) Best, Ines. > > Regards, > Rahul > > > ------------------------------ > Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the > Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, > which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external > destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily need= ed > for a RUL). That new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is > completely localized in a new section. the text was moved about routing > from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please > find that text inline below: > > > > =E2=80=9C > > > > 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing > > Mode Signaling. > > Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to > > indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external > > targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that > > has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route > > to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. > > Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an > > external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and > > cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. > > This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP > > encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining > > compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet > > outside the RPL domain. > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a > > Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target > > reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of > > the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case > > of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP > > encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated > > within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the > > Internet. > > A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is > > actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header > > and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200].. The target > > may have been learned through as a host route or may have been > > registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be > > avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process > > the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. > > In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial > > that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed > > by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a > > packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware > > that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. > > A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to > > support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and > > even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that > > injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before > > forwarding over that external route. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > So where are we? > > > > We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which Us= e-Of-RPL-Info > presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RU= L > draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new > different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the > nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL > operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new > draft defines the RPL operation for one version of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2= =80=9D then is can > also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or= as an =E2=80=9Cexternal > destination=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info. > > > > Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D i= n Use-Of-RPL-Info > is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a > normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSRE= F > will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent > with the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too > hastly. > > > Looking forward to your reactions, > > > Ines, Pascal and Michael. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000c1db6e05961edd4c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rahul,

Thank you ve= ry much for the detailed review,=C2=A0 few comments in-line.

=


On Sun, Oct 27, 2019 at 6:49 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure = I would not have caught a drift if this would have been talked about direct= ly (without a mail) during the 106-session.

Specifically, I want to talk about the following text:=C2=A0

"

This specif= ication updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

targets are= advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a=

Storing-Mod= e network. This way, all packets to an external target=

reach the R= oot that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of

the address= of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel.
"
I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR = advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targets= are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wha= t we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to which the external target is attach= ing) handle the external target in non-storing mode.
This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing a= nd storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. Th= is has implications for behaviour during parent switching.=C2=A0The text opens up a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I= am apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo.

We are going to improve that text, to avoid w= rong interpretations, and clarifying the methodology when the traffic is di= rected to the RUL.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Regarding followin= g, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defi= ned RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-In= fo handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and = for which there is a defined RPL operation?=C2=A0"

I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for w= hich there is a defined RPL behavior.
<= br>
Ok,=C2=A0 thank you.=C2=A0

In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact= than I initially thought.

Agree :)

Best, Ines.=C2=A0

Regards,
Rahul


Then that = text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info be= cause it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is different if = some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That= new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized i= n a=C2=A0 new section. the=C2=A0 text was moved about routing from the RUL = draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Stori= ng

Mode = Signaling.

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that = is set to

indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes extern= al

targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that=

has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a ro= ute

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6L= R.

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an=

external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts = and

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly= .

This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in= -IP

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining<= u>

compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a pa= cket

outsi= de the RPL domain.

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that extern= al

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a=

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target=

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informe= d of

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel.=C2=A0= I= n case

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP

encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originate= d

within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the

Inter= net.

A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is<= /u>

actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Hea= der

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200]..=C2=A0The t= arget

may have been learned through as a host route or may have been=

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY= be

avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to proc= ess

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation.=

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficia= l

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not ass= umed

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is a= ware

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation.

A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected t= o

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and<= u>

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that=

injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before

forwarding over that external route.

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

So where are we?

=C2=A0

We need to agree on what we place in the definition= of a RUL for which=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info presen= ts a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft = for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-R= PL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft= and for which there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need beca= use if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of =E2=80=9Cthat guy= =E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D should be= handled as a RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D=C2=A0in=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info= .

=C2=A0

Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a = =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that supports the RU= L draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to define what that e= xactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent w= ith the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hast= ly.


Looking forward to your reactions,


Ines, Pascal and Michael.



=C2=A0



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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Rahul, all From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48 To: roll Cc: Michael Richardson Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not ha= ve caught a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a = mail) during the 106-session. Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. " I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR = advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targets= are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wha= t we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to whic= h the external target is attaching) handle the external target in non-stori= ng mode. This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing a= nd storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. Th= is has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens u= p a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I am apprehens= ive of adding such text to useofrplinfo. ( : Misunderstanding warning : ) The 'signaling' discussed in that text is the control plane, more specifica= lly the DAO that is sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to perc= olating child to parent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In= the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the intermediate= routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether there's an= IP packet inside. We certainly need to clarify. What about: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, external routes are not advertised within the DODAG and all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the address of the 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in= -IP encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and forward= s the original packet outside the RPL domain. " Regarding following, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft f= or which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different t= hing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that su= pport the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? " I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is = a defined RPL behavior. In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initia= lly thought. Cool, we agree : ) Regards, Rahul ________________________________ Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-R= PL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is dif= ferent if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need= to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That= new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized i= n a new section. the text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline be= low: " 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing Mode Signaling. Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet outside the RPL domain. This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the Internet. A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200].. The target may have been learned through as a host route or may have been registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before forwarding over that external route. " So where are we? We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which Use-= Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common w= ith the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we defin= e a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset o= f the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL= operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new = draft defines the RPL operation for one version of "that guy" then is can a= lso say whether "that guy" should be handled as a RUL or as an "external de= stination" in Use-Of-RPL-Info. Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a "RUL" in Use-Of-RPL-Info = is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normati= ve reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will pl= ay its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the = RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hastly. Looking forward to your reactions, Ines, Pascal and Michael. --_000_MN2PR11MB35654FBC3D12467D38852006D8600MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Rah= ul, all

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From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48
To: roll <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

 

Thank y= ou for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not have caug= ht a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a mail) d= uring the 106-session.

&n= bsp;

Specifi= cally, I want to talk about the following text: 

&n= bsp;

" =

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOM= MEND that external

 

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode sig= naling even in a

 

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an= external target

 

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the= Root is informed of

 

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-= IP tunnel.

"<= o:p>

I under= stand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR adverti= sing the external-target. But when we say that only external targets are ad= vertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, what we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (a= nd not only the 6LR to which the external target is attaching) handle the e= xternal target in non-storing mode.

This me= ans that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing and stor= ing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. This has = implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens up a lot of room for interpretations and un= covered-scenarios. I am apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo.

 

 

<Pascal>

( : Misunderstanding warning : = )

 

The ‘signaling’ dis= cussed in that text is the control plane, more specifically the DAO that is= sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to percolating child to pa= rent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the int= ermediate routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether t= here’s an IP packet inside.

 

We certainly need to clarify. W= hat about:

 

“

 

This specifica= tion updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

 

targets are ad= vertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a

 

Storing-Mode n= etwork. This way, external routes are not advertised within

 

the DODAG and = all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal

 

non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the=

 

address of the= 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in-IP=

 

encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates= the IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards

 

the original packet outside the RPL domain<= /span>.<= o:p>

 

“

</Pascal>

 

 

 

 

Regardi= ng following, "Do we limit to = the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use= -Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL = draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? "

&n= bsp;

I certa= inly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is a defin= ed RPL behavior.

&n= bsp;

In gene= ral, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initially tho= ught.

 

 

<Pascal>

Cool, we agree : )

</Pascal>

 

Regards,

Rahul

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and pl= aced it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding= behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the ext= ernal destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text = also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a  = new section. the  text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below:

 

“

&nb= sp;

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise Externa= l Routes with Non-Storing

 

Mode Signaling.

 

 

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the= 'E' flag that is set to

 

indicate that the 6LR that generates the D= AO redistributes external

 

targets into the RPL network. An external = Target is a Target that

 

has been learned through an alternate prot= ocol, for instance a route

 

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain= but reachable via a 6LR.

 

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node th= at is reached via an

 

external target cannot be guaranteed to ig= nore the RPL artifacts and

 

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138= ] compression correctly.

 

This means that the RPL artifacts should b= e contained in an IP-in-IP

 

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, = and that any remaining

 

compression should be expanded by the 6LR = before it forwards a packet

 

outside the RPL domain.

 

 

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] t= o RECOMMEND that external

 

targets are advertised using Non-Storing M= ode signaling even in a

 

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packet= s to an external target

 

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, = and the Root is informed of

 

the address of the 6LR that terminates the= IP-in-IP tunnel. In case

 

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use= the same IP-in-IP

 

encapsulation for packets that it generate= s or that are originated

 

within the RPL domain as if the packets we= re coming from the

 

Internet.

 

 

A RUL is a special case of external target= when the target is

 

actually a host and it is known to support= a consumed Routing Header

 

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed b= y [RFC8200].. The target

 

may have been learned through as a host ro= ute or may have been

 

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-= in-IP encapsulation MAY be

 

avoided for Root to RUL communication if t= he RUL is known to process

 

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR= without decapsulation.

 

 

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to= a 6LN, it is beneficial

 

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-= IP, but that is not assumed

 

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Roo= t that encapsulates a

 

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a pa= rent 6LR unless it is aware

 

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulati= on.

 

 

A node that is reachable over an external = route is not expected to

 

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation= took place or not and

 

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet= to a RUL, the 6LR that

 

injected an external route MUST uncompress= the packet before

 

forwarding over that external route.

“

 

So where are we?

 

We need to agree on what we pl= ace in the definition of a RUL for which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a sp= ecial behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for whi= ch there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear s= uperset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a de= fined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtfu= l) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of “that guy” then is can also say whether = 220;that guy” should be handled as a RUL or as an “external des= tination” in Use-Of-RPL-Info.

 

Thus the proposal to that that= the operation of a “RUL” in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that= supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to de= fine what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent w= ith the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hast= ly.

 

Looking forward to your reacti= ons,

 

Ines, Pascal and Michael.

 

 

 

 

 

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I have some responses inline. On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:27 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Hello, Authors of NSA-extension, > > I agreed to review the document in IETF105 and would like to provide my > comments. > > But before going into details, will it be possible to upload the XML > version of the draft to the datatracker? Unlike other drafts, I do not see > the XML form of this draft! Also, it would be much efficient if we sync > using GitHub repo (where I can send PR for you to review). > I have just created a new repository as part of the ROLL WG github account called* draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension *. It contains the up-to-date draft XML file. Feel free to post PRs and we will quickly handle them. > My primary point of discussion would be the way MRHoF is handled in the > draft. > The current text/OF described in the document seems insufficient. > MRHOF makes sense only for metrics that are additive in nature. The CAOFs > presented in the document are not additive, and the text simply tries to > somehow fit MRHOF in the context. > So I think maybe this is probably a misunderstanding. The draft proposes two things: 1. An extension to the DIO DAGMC NSA object to include a subset of the sorted parent set (PS) of a node. 2. A set of Objective Functions, modeled around MRHOF, which take into account the PS in DIO messages to aid in alternative parent selection. The key here is that the document *requires* the container DIO DAGMC NSA object to be a *constraint, not a metric.* The basic idea is this, have an OF that functions identically to MRHOF, using any additive metric to calculate the rank of parents in the parent set, *but filter out potential parent in the parent set for use as alternative parent using the DIO DAGMC NSA PS information.* So, the only-additive-metrics requirement in MRHOF is not disturbed at all, since for both preferred parent and alternative parent, the rank calculation is the same as MRHOF. The extra constraint is only for filtering out alternative parents. Does this make sense? Maybe we could explain it in a clearer way? In the text we say *"In general, these OFs extend MRHOF by specifying how an AP is selected. The selection of the PP is kept the same as in MRHOF."* Maybe we should also note that the rank calculation is not changed for both PP and AP? > The draft reserves different OCPs for different Common Ancestor Policies > (Strict, Medium, Relaxed). I thought that the policies are local in nature > and different nodes in the same instance could use different policies. If > we use different OCPs, then this is not possible. It is impractical to > assume that certain policies (such as CA Strict policy) can be enforced > using OCP. > You are right, and we thought about this issue. On the one hand different OCPs mean exactly one one per RPL Instance, while the same means that you have no idea what version (Strict, Medium, Relaxed) your neighbors are running, in case you *do* care. The policies are indeed local in nature, so in this case I assume the correct thing to do would be to reserve just one OCP, and if nodes want to include the version of CAOF used that can do it in another DIO field or using another mechanism (e.g. statically pre-configured). We will change the draft to only request one OCP. > The promiscuous overhearing assumes different security settings. I read > the refed draft in 6tisch and it explains the assumptions, however, I > believe it is better we explain the security implication of promiscuous > overhearing in the security considerations in this draft. > I have no problem with this. Avoiding too much duplication of text was my general guiding principle, so where possible we pointed to other sources. This, incidentally, is also why we opted to use MRHOF as a base upon which to build the CAOFs, instead of creating a full description. Again, thanks so much Rahul for the comments. We eagerly look forward to your reply. Best, Aris --000000000000ae46460596219484 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Rahul,

thank you so much for these comments and sorry for taking so long to answ= er.

I have some responses inline.
<= br>
On Fri,= Sep 27, 2019 at 3:27 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello, Authors of NSA-extension,

I agreed to review the document in IETF105 and would like to provide my com= ments.

But before going into details, will=C2=A0it be possible to up= load the XML version of the draft to the datatracker? Unlike other drafts, = I do not see the XML form of this draft! Also, it would be much efficient if we sy= nc using GitHub repo (where I can send PR for you to review).
<= /div>
I have just created a new repository as part o= f the ROLL WG github account called draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension.
It contains the up-to-date draft XML file. Feel free to po= st PRs and we will quickly handle them.

=C2=A0=
My primary point of discussion would be the way MRHoF is handled in the dra= ft.
The current text/OF described in the document seems insufficient.
MRHOF makes sense only for metrics that are additive in nature. The CAOFs p= resented in the document are not additive, and the text simply tries to som= ehow fit MRHOF in the context.
So I thin= k maybe this is probably a misunderstanding.
The draft proposes t= wo things:
1. An extension to the DIO DAGMC NSA object to include= a subset of the sorted parent set (PS) of a node.
2. A set of Ob= jective Functions, modeled around MRHOF, which take into account the PS in = DIO messages to aid in alternative parent selection.
The key here= is that the document requires the container DIO DAGMC NSA object t= o be a constraint, not a metric.
The basic idea is this, h= ave an OF that functions identically to MRHOF, using any additive metric to= calculate the rank of parents in the parent set, but filter out potenti= al parent in the parent set for use as alternative parent using the DIO DA= GMC NSA PS information.
So, the only-additive-metrics require= ment in MRHOF is not disturbed at all, since for both preferred parent and = alternative parent, the rank calculation is the same as MRHOF.
Th= e extra constraint is only for filtering out alternative parents.
=

Does this make sense?
Maybe we could explain = it in a clearer way?

In the text we say "I= n general, these OFs extend MRHOF by specifying how an AP is selected. The = selection of the PP is kept the same as in MRHOF."
Maybe= we should also note that the rank calculation is not changed for both PP a= nd AP?
=C2=A0
The draft reserves different OCPs for different Common Ancestor Policies (S= trict, Medium, Relaxed). I thought that the policies are local in nature an= d different nodes in the same instance could use different policies. If we = use different OCPs, then this is not possible. It is impractical to assume that certain policies (such as C= A Strict policy) can be enforced using OCP.
<= div>You are right, and we thought about this issue. On the one hand differe= nt OCPs mean exactly one one per RPL Instance, while the same means that yo= u have no idea what version (Strict, Medium, Relaxed) your neighbors are ru= nning, in case you do care.
The policies are indeed lo= cal in nature, so in this case I assume the correct thing to do would be to= reserve just one OCP, and if nodes want to include the version of CAOF use= d that can do it in another DIO field or using another mechanism (e.g. stat= ically pre-configured).
We will change the draft to only request = one OCP.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 The promiscuous overhearing assumes different security settin= gs. I read the refed draft in 6tisch and it explains the assumptions, howev= er, I believe it is better we explain the security implication of promiscuous overhearing in the secu= rity considerations in this draft.
I have no problem with this. Avoiding too much duplication of text was my= general guiding principle, so where possible we pointed to other sources.<= /div>
This, incidentally, is also why we opted to use MRHOF as a base u= pon which to build the CAOFs, instead of creating a full description.
=C2=A0

Again, thanks so much Rahul for th= e comments.

We eagerly look forward to your reply.=

Best,
Aris
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The changes proposed here are for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves (not draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao). I changed the subject to reflect that. Alvaro. On October 30, 2019 at 6:37:15 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ( pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: Dear all : There is a need in the RUL draft to carry a 6LoWPAN ND status inside a RPL status so we can avoid duplicating DAR/DAC and DAO/DAO-ACK through the network. This also allows async communication down the DODAG through DCO (efficient NPDAO). Alvaro pointed out that mapping one status in the other as proposed so far was not too clean. The change proposed herein addresses this concern. The change would be adding another control bit in the RPL status and formalizing the format as follows: 7. Updated RPL Status The RPL Status is defined in section 6.5.1. of [RFC6550] for use in the DAO-Ack message and values are assigned as follows: +---------+---------------------------+ | Range | Meaning | +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+ | 0 | RFC 6550 | +---------+---------------------------+ | 1-127 | Not an outright rejection | +---------+---------------------------+ | 128-255 | Rejection | +---------+---------------------------+ Table 1: RPL Status per RFC 6550 This specification extends the scope of the RPL status to be used in RPL DCO messages. Furthermore, this specification enables to carry the status values defined for use in the IPv6 ND Extended Address Registration Option (EARO) and listed in table 1 of [RFC8505]. Only EARO status values in the range 0-63 can be transported. The resulting RPL status is as follows: 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |E|A| Value | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Figure 2: RPL status Format RPL Status subfields: E: 1-bit flag. Set to indicate a rejection. When not set, a value of 0 indicates success and other values indicate an non-outright- rejection as per RFC 6550. A: 1-bit flag. Indicates the type of the status value. Status Value: 6-bit unsigned integer. If the 'A' flag is set this field transports a status value defined for IPv6 ND EARO. When the 'A' flag is reset, the status value is defined in a RPL extension When building a DCO message upon an IPv6 ND NA or DAC message, the root MUST place the ARO status unchanged in a mapped DCO with the 'A' bit set. Conversely the 6LR MUST place the ARO status unchanged in the NA(EARO) that is built upon a DCO with the 'A' bit set. Comments welcome (and urgent!). Unless I see opposition I plan to publish before cutoff so we can discuss it at IETF 106. All the best; Pascal *From:* Alvaro Retana *Sent:* mardi 29 octobre 2019 23:10 *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org *Cc:* roll-chairs@ietf.org; roll ; Peter van der Stok < consultancy@vanderstok.org> *Subject:* RE: AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16 Hi! I=E2=80=99m fine with the changes proposed to draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npd= ao. I want to see the WG reach consensus on the changes related to draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves. Thanks! Alvaro. On October 29, 2019 at 5:52:13 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ( pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: If you agree with the proposed line above I'll make editions and come back to you for more comments and/or approval. --000000000000c0368f0596229672 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =
Just for clarity.

The changes proposed here are for=C2=A0draft-ietf= -roll-unaware-leaves (not=C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao).=C2=A0 I ch= anged the subject to reflect that.

Alvaro.

On October 30, 20= 19 at 6:37:15 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote:

Dear all= =C2=A0:

=C2=A0

There is a need in the RUL draft to carry a 6LoWPAN ND status inside = a RPL status so we can avoid duplicating DAR/DAC and DAO/DAO-ACK through th= e network. This also allows async communication down the DODAG through DCO (efficient NPDAO).

=C2=A0

Alvaro pointed out that mapping one =C2=A0status in the other as prop= osed so far was not too clean. The change proposed herein addresses this co= ncern. The change would be adding another control bit in the RPL status and formalizing the format as follows:

=C2=A0

7.=C2=A0 Updated RPL Status

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The RPL Status is defined in s= ection 6.5.1. of [RFC6550] for use in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the DAO-Ack message and values= are assigned as follows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+---= ------------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | Range=C2=A0= =C2=A0 | Meaning=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | RFC 6550=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+---= ------------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1-127=C2=A0= =C2=A0 | Not an outright rejection |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+---= ------------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0| 128-255 | Rej= ection=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+---= ------------------------+

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Table 1: RPL Status per RFC 6550

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This specification extends the= scope of the RPL status to be used in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 RPL DCO messages.=C2=A0 Furthe= rmore, this specification enables to carry

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the status values defined for = use in the IPv6 ND Extended Address

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Registration Option (EARO) and= listed in table 1 of [RFC8505].=C2=A0 Only

=C2=A0=C2=A0 EARO status values in the rang= e 0-63 can be transported.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The resulting RPL status is as= follows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|E|A|=C2=A0 Value=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 2: RPL status Format

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 RPL Status subfields:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 E:=C2=A0 1-bit flag.=C2=A0 Set= to indicate a rejection.=C2=A0 When not set, a value

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 of 0 indicat= es success and other values indicate an non-outright-

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 rejection as= per RFC 6550.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 A:=C2=A0 1-bit flag.=C2=A0 Ind= icates the type of the status value.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Status Value:=C2=A0 6-bit unsi= gned integer.=C2=A0 If the 'A' flag is set this

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 field transp= orts a status value defined for IPv6 ND EARO.=C2=A0 When

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the 'A&#= 39; flag is reset, the status value is defined in a RPL

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 extension

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 When building a DCO message up= on an IPv6 ND NA or DAC message, the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 root MUST place the ARO status= unchanged in a mapped DCO with the 'A'

=C2=A0=C2=A0 bit set.=C2=A0 Conversely the = 6LR MUST place the ARO status unchanged in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the NA(EARO) that is built upo= n a DCO with the 'A' bit set.

=C2=A0

Comments welcome (and urgent!). Unless I see opposition I plan to pub= lish before cutoff so we can discuss it at IETF 106.

=C2=A0

All the best;

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

From: Alvaro Retana <are= tana.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: mardi 29 octobre 2019 23:10
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org
Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org= ; roll <roll@ietf.org>; Peter va= n der Stok <consultancy@va= nderstok.org>
Subject: RE: AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16<= /p>

=C2=A0

Hi!

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m fine with the changes proposed to=C2= =A0draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao.

=C2=A0

I want to see the WG reach consensus on the chang= es related to=C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Alvaro.

=C2=A0

On October 29, 2019 at 5:52:13 AM, Pascal Thubert= (pthubert) (pthubert@cisco.com) = wrote:

=C2=A0If you agree with the proposed line above I'll make editions and come back to= you for more comments and/or approval.=C2=A0

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To Dominique: I'm sure you have lots of issues to handle right now, managing the transition, etc., so I will be brief. I have responded to Rahul's comments and I have made a small modification regarding the number of OCPs requested for the CAOFs (I'll ask for just one). However, is it possible that you also have done the review of the draft after IETF 105? Maybe you also have dome pending issues you would like to raise? If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have no (significant) issues with it? Thanks a lot. Best, Aris On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis wrote: > Hello, > > yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have an update by tomorrow a= s > well as responses to Rahul's comments. > > Best, > Aris > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote= : > >> I had sent my comments sometime before. >> Link: >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/Y-zFm6XQPwwMYRqTQYbyBwe9Qm4 >> >> I certainly feel the draft needs updates. >> >> Regards, >> Rahul >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Roll on behalf of >> dominique.barthel@orange.com >> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM >> *To:* roll@ietf.org >> *Subject:* [Roll] WGLC for =E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 >> >> Dear all, >> >> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >> The draft is available here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >> Thank you very much in advance, >> >> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >> >> ________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confi= dentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hello all,

Firstly lots of t= hanks to Peter for all his help the previous years and congratulations to D= ominique on your new position!

To Dominique:
I'm sure you have lots of issues to handle right now, managing= the transition, etc., so I will be brief.

I have = responded to Rahul's comments and I have made a small modification rega= rding the number of OCPs requested for the CAOFs (I'll ask for just one= ).
However, is it possible that you also have done the review of = the draft after IETF 105?
Maybe you also have dome pending issues= you would like to raise?

If not, does going ahead= with the WGLC mean you have no (significant) issues with it?
Thanks a lot.

Best,
Aris
=





=

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com> wrote:
Hello,

yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have a= n update by tomorrow as well as responses to Rahul's comments.

Best,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:5= 3 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
I had sent my comments sometime before.

I certainly feel the draft needs updates.

Regards,
Rahul=C2=A0
From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of dominique.bart= hel@orange.com <dominique.barthel@orange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM
To: roll@ietf.org= <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] WGLC for =E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04
=C2=A0
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/=C2=A0
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

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If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have no (significant) > issues with it? > This document got reviews in past versions, which were addressed (I missed the last Rahul comments, Thanks Rahul for pointing it out!!). Thus, we believe that is ready for a last round of WG reviews through a Last Call. When someone support a document, it should read/review it before states the support. Once that the Rahul comments are addressed, I believe that it can go forward. Unless someone states the opposite and outline more issues. Hope the above can answer this question. Thank you and best regards, Ines. > > Thanks a lot. > > Best, > Aris > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis < > aris@ariskou.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have an update by tomorrow >> as well as responses to Rahul's comments. >> >> Best, >> Aris >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav >> wrote: >> >>> I had sent my comments sometime before. >>> Link: >>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/Y-zFm6XQPwwMYRqTQYbyBwe9Qm4 >>> >>> I certainly feel the draft needs updates. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Rahul >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Roll on behalf of >>> dominique.barthel@orange.com >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM >>> *To:* roll@ietf.org >>> *Subject:* [Roll] WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >>> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >>> The draft is available here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >>> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >>> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >>> Thank you very much in advance, >>> >>> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>> >>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Remous,=C2=A0

Thank= you for addressing the Rahul comments.=C2=A0

<= div dir=3D"ltr">
If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have n= o (significant) issues with it?

This document got reviews in past versions, which were addressed (I missed= the last Rahul comments, Thanks Rahul for pointing it out!!).=C2=A0=C2=A0<= /div>
Thus, we believe that is ready for a last round of WG reviews thr= ough a Last Call.=C2=A0 When someone support a document, it should read/rev= iew it before states the support.=C2=A0
Once that the Rahul comme= nts are addressed, I believe that it can go forward. Unless someone states = the opposite and outline more issues.=C2=A0

Hope t= he above can answer this question.=C2=A0

Thank you= and best regards,

Ines.
=C2=A0

Thanks a lot.

Best,
Aris






On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com> wrote:=
Hello,

yes, I was planning to addess them, = I should have an update by tomorrow as well as responses to Rahul's com= ments.

Best,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 3= 0, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
I had sent my comments sometime before.

I certainly feel the draft needs updates.

Regards,
Rahul=C2=A0
From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org= > on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.com <dominique.barthel@orange.com&g= t;
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM
To: roll@ietf.org= <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04
=C2=A0
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/=C2=A0
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

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Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou =
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My impression was that WGLC would mean immediately leaving outside the WG to be evaluated, and I wasn't sure if we are ready for that before answering all existing comments. Again, thanks, Aris On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:45 PM Ines Robles wrote: > Hi Remous, > > Thank you for addressing the Rahul comments. > > If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have no (significant) >> issues with it? >> > > This document got reviews in past versions, which were addressed (I missed > the last Rahul comments, Thanks Rahul for pointing it out!!). > Thus, we believe that is ready for a last round of WG reviews through a > Last Call. When someone support a document, it should read/review it > before states the support. > Once that the Rahul comments are addressed, I believe that it can go > forward. Unless someone states the opposite and outline more issues. > > Hope the above can answer this question. > > Thank you and best regards, > > Ines. > > >> >> Thanks a lot. >> >> Best, >> Aris >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis < >> aris@ariskou.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have an update by tomorrow >>> as well as responses to Rahul's comments. >>> >>> Best, >>> Aris >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I had sent my comments sometime before. >>>> Link: >>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/Y-zFm6XQPwwMYRqTQYbyBwe9Qm4 >>>> >>>> I certainly feel the draft needs updates. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Rahul >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From:* Roll on behalf of >>>> dominique.barthel@orange.com >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM >>>> *To:* roll@ietf.org >>>> *Subject:* [Roll] WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >>>> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >>>> The draft is available here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >>>> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >>>> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >>>> Thank you very much in advance, >>>> >>>> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler >>>> a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, >>>> Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >>>> >>>> This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; >>>> they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. >>>> If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. >>>> As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Roll mailing list >>>> Roll@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Roll mailing list >>> Roll@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000233c2b059626f0a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Great,

thanks for the explan= ation, it's clear to me now.
My impression was that WGLC woul= d mean immediately leaving outside the WG to be evaluated, and I wasn't= sure if we are ready for that before answering all existing comments.

Again, thanks,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 30,= 2019 at 9:45 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
=
Hi Remous,=C2=A0

Thank you for addressi= ng the Rahul comments.=C2=A0

<= div>If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have no (significant) i= ssues with it?

This document go= t reviews in past versions, which were addressed (I missed the last Rahul c= omments, Thanks Rahul for pointing it out!!).=C2=A0=C2=A0
Thus, w= e believe that is ready for a last round of WG reviews through a Last Call.= =C2=A0 When someone support a document, it should read/review it before sta= tes the support.=C2=A0
Once that the Rahul comments are addressed= , I believe that it can go forward. Unless someone states the opposite and = outline more issues.=C2=A0

Hope the above can answ= er this question.=C2=A0

Thank you and best regards= ,

Ines.
=C2=A0

Thanks a= lot.

Best,
Aris






On Wed, Oct 30= , 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com> wrote:
Hello,

yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have an = update by tomorrow as well as responses to Rahul's comments.
=
Best,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 = AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
I had sent my comments sometime before.

I certainly feel the draft needs updates.

Regards,
Rahul=C2=A0
From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.com &= lt;domini= que.barthel@orange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM
To: roll@ietf.org= <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04
=C2=A0
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/=C2=A0
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden=
tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc
pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu=
 ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler
a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les message=
s electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,
Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou =
falsifie. Merci.

This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged inf=
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If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and dele=
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--000000000000233c2b059626f0a7-- From nobody Wed Oct 30 14:08:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12900120103 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:08:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hh0QDojJHCMY for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd2b.google.com (mail-io1-xd2b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BD7F12008C for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:08:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd2b.google.com with SMTP id r144so4205323iod.8 for ; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:08:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5HWpsnPVAGyq+r12kQ5AJ/a4WkWmAEGHgiceshwvEU4=; b=PIlOe5Q5M3XhFbouYKQJCatIOLtIIQ3d8YSWbKA6pIH3lCs4mdULxfAnI3qvv7Vc05 SiNVLD7y9aCT+otSjN5z/JaVur3zIyYeNzoDWkSF8D5JsuFXsKLz4DTnode5c5XCGGS+ OjmP2cSb7PwDZ+AhE7sTN3MoBdVDPkUnAIaHhCZIQXKwjSZYWrZDgpbfLdB5ZQ9y9D2g nD5KoSAi2GS0X1ttP/EBA3FeAZ6KfP7WSfknoJ3rINKTJQBqfQLHCQ1OAE8aTqwpPneP Z4cuK+obSZX1QCgCwxFfgrDiimDoPWGx+bRZtR/0kz6VI5/myRKUYcYlmalfLIlwipup vHVQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5HWpsnPVAGyq+r12kQ5AJ/a4WkWmAEGHgiceshwvEU4=; b=MNALDxhOnwg5W5ERC51TcI3kPpRoxOy79WbMVYEIel3yj8KSGZcQ9/4bdDYfW7MWYk h/ELRAGryIfrk6mkq25BYXmVkAtgyXfC20oqeED471ZPyPVyZ3giaFbyV+nRJVsKFhaq 7TLKIiKoFKt/FbEpQR9BQSl08XH2CVQwYuiVP0jTNW0JX1vuumokHzRZHjMtzudUvoey MQmD+19Fdxfp9wBaaeY3VleAkyKrnrMPe+5OEZijqpg+c9VwFMYe2Al4edV7BQqFYncq Hwq+QeXrcxzSd8GtFTDLLrNN1kp8kqwcZUyi1C8MEyseerUoz74EL/Wt3vrw0UzCgsuy SbjQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUOBBN0eHUgjA/EmrWSvx3XI1GpSPc2mS+RRjCpGsoL8tP2fsYo li40Dwb0mxE6s53PrqlztKqdK/dSIppFZ1uydS8l2g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwH22m42mnuxx32civdlxCdk44/GqXS7zdH7hfqr5tnyZWVQJ5EymyXdh3VB1THazkqeJgWce7RqzORwMg7nE8= X-Received: by 2002:a02:3943:: with SMTP id w3mr199430jae.57.1572469702233; Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:08:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4422_1572425152_5DB94DC0_4422_62_1_D9DF0C50.6B281%dominique.barthel@orange.com> In-Reply-To: From: Ines Robles Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 23:07:45 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000005941e0596272294" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?WGLC_for_=E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension?= =?utf-8?q?-04?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 21:08:26 -0000 --00000000000005941e0596272294 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Aris, You are right :), no document should leave a WG before addressing all existing comments. :) Have a great evening, Ines. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:54 PM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis wrote: > Great, > > thanks for the explanation, it's clear to me now. > My impression was that WGLC would mean immediately leaving outside the WG > to be evaluated, and I wasn't sure if we are ready for that before > answering all existing comments. > > Again, thanks, > Aris > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:45 PM Ines Robles 40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Hi Remous, >> >> Thank you for addressing the Rahul comments. >> >> If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have no (significant) >>> issues with it? >>> >> >> This document got reviews in past versions, which were addressed (I >> missed the last Rahul comments, Thanks Rahul for pointing it out!!). >> Thus, we believe that is ready for a last round of WG reviews through a >> Last Call. When someone support a document, it should read/review it >> before states the support. >> Once that the Rahul comments are addressed, I believe that it can go >> forward. Unless someone states the opposite and outline more issues. >> >> Hope the above can answer this question. >> >> Thank you and best regards, >> >> Ines. >> >> >>> >>> Thanks a lot. >>> >>> Best, >>> Aris >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis < >>> aris@ariskou.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> yes, I was planning to addess them, I should have an update by tomorrow >>>> as well as responses to Rahul's comments. >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> Aris >>>> >>>> On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I had sent my comments sometime before. >>>>> Link: >>>>> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/Y-zFm6XQPwwMYRqTQYbyBwe9Qm4 >>>>> >>>>> I certainly feel the draft needs updates. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Rahul >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Roll on behalf of >>>>> dominique.barthel@orange.com >>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM >>>>> *To:* roll@ietf.org >>>>> *Subject:* [Roll] WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04 >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >>>>> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >>>>> The draft is available here: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >>>>> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >>>>> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >>>>> Thank you very much in advance, >>>>> >>>>> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >>>>> >>>>> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >>>>> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi Aris,

You are right :), no document = should leave a WG before addressing all existing comments. :)
Have a great evening,

Ines.
=


On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:54 PM Remous-Aris Kouts= iamanis <aris@ariskou.com> wr= ote:
Great,

thanks for the explanation, it&#= 39;s clear to me now.
My impression was that WGLC would mean imme= diately leaving outside the WG to be evaluated, and I wasn't sure if we= are ready for that before answering all existing comments.

<= /div>
Again, thanks,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 9:= 45 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> w= rote:
Hi Remous,=C2=A0

Thank you for= addressing the Rahul comments.=C2=A0

If not, does going ahead with the WGLC mean you have no (sign= ificant) issues with it?

This d= ocument got reviews in past versions, which were addressed (I missed the la= st Rahul comments, Thanks Rahul for pointing it out!!).=C2=A0=C2=A0
Thus, we believe that is ready for a last round of WG reviews through a = Last Call.=C2=A0 When someone support a document, it should read/review it = before states the support.=C2=A0
Once that the Rahul comments are= addressed, I believe that it can go forward. Unless someone states the opp= osite and outline more issues.=C2=A0

Hope the abov= e can answer this question.=C2=A0

Thank you and be= st regards,

Ines.
=C2=A0

Thanks a lot.

Best,
Aris






On W= ed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:56 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com> wrote:
= Hello,

yes, I was planning to addess them, I shoul= d have an update by tomorrow as well as responses to Rahul's comments.<= /div>

Best,
Aris

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019= at 10:53 AM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
I had sent my comments sometime before.

I certainly feel the draft needs updates.

Regards,
Rahul=C2=A0
From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf = of domini= que.barthel@orange.com <dominique.barthel@orange.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 8:45 AM
To: roll@ietf.org= <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04
=C2=A0
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/=C2=A0
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

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Questions: 1- In the Table 1: RPL Status per RFC 6550, when the status is zero, would it be good to add between brackets (Success/Unqualified acceptance -since you mentioned it when explaining bit E -) like: , +---------+---------------------------+ | Range | Meaning | +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+ | 0 | RFC 6550 (Success) | +---------+---------------------------+ 2- where states "...When the 'A' flag is reset," should it be better "When = the 'A' flag is not set," ? Thank you, Ines. On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM Alvaro Retana wrote: > Just for clarity. > > The changes proposed here are for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves > (not draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao). I changed the subject to reflect > that. > > Alvaro. > > On October 30, 2019 at 6:37:15 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ( > pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: > > Dear all : > > > > There is a need in the RUL draft to carry a 6LoWPAN ND status inside a RP= L > status so we can avoid duplicating DAR/DAC and DAO/DAO-ACK through the > network. This also allows async communication down the DODAG through DCO > (efficient NPDAO). > > > > Alvaro pointed out that mapping one status in the other as proposed so > far was not too clean. The change proposed herein addresses this concern. > The change would be adding another control bit in the RPL status and > formalizing the format as follows: > > > > 7. Updated RPL Status > > > > The RPL Status is defined in section 6.5.1. of [RFC6550] for use in > > the DAO-Ack message and values are assigned as follows: > > > > +---------+---------------------------+ > > | Range | Meaning | > > +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+ > > | 0 | RFC 6550 | > > +---------+---------------------------+ > > | 1-127 | Not an outright rejection | > > +---------+---------------------------+ > > | 128-255 | Rejection | > > +---------+---------------------------+ > > > > Table 1: RPL Status per RFC 6550 > > > > This specification extends the scope of the RPL status to be used in > > RPL DCO messages. Furthermore, this specification enables to carry > > the status values defined for use in the IPv6 ND Extended Address > > Registration Option (EARO) and listed in table 1 of [RFC8505]. Only > > EARO status values in the range 0-63 can be transported. > > > > The resulting RPL status is as follows: > > > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > |E|A| Value | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > Figure 2: RPL status Format > > > > RPL Status subfields: > > > > E: 1-bit flag. Set to indicate a rejection. When not set, a value > > of 0 indicates success and other values indicate an non-outright- > > rejection as per RFC 6550. > > > > A: 1-bit flag. Indicates the type of the status value. > > > > Status Value: 6-bit unsigned integer. If the 'A' flag is set this > > field transports a status value defined for IPv6 ND EARO. When > > the 'A' flag is reset, the status value is defined in a RPL > > extension > > > > When building a DCO message upon an IPv6 ND NA or DAC message, the > > root MUST place the ARO status unchanged in a mapped DCO with the 'A' > > bit set. Conversely the 6LR MUST place the ARO status unchanged in > > the NA(EARO) that is built upon a DCO with the 'A' bit set. > > > > Comments welcome (and urgent!). Unless I see opposition I plan to publish > before cutoff so we can discuss it at IETF 106. > > > > All the best; > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Alvaro Retana > *Sent:* mardi 29 octobre 2019 23:10 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; > draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao@ietf.org > *Cc:* roll-chairs@ietf.org; roll ; Peter van der Stok < > consultancy@vanderstok.org> > *Subject:* RE: AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16 > > > > Hi! > > > > I=E2=80=99m fine with the changes proposed to draft-ietf-roll-efficient-n= pdao. > > > > I want to see the WG reach consensus on the changes related > to draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Alvaro. > > > > On October 29, 2019 at 5:52:13 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ( > pthubert@cisco.com) wrote: > > If you agree with the proposed line above I'll make editions and come > back to you for more comments and/or approval. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000005ba0e70596338e74 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,

Agree with = the status codes.=C2=A0

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1- In the=C2=A0=C2=A0Table 1: RPL Status per RFC 6550, when= the status is zero, would it be good to add=C2=A0between=C2=A0 brackets (S= uccess/Unqualified acceptance -since you mentioned it when explaining bit E= -) like: ,=C2=A0

= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +---------+-= --------------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | Range=C2=A0=C2= =A0 | Meaning=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | RFC 6550 (Success)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 |<= /span>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+------= ---------------------+



<= br>
2- where states "...When the 'A' flag is reset,&qu= ot; should it be better "When=C2=A0the 'A' flag is not set,"= ; ?

Thank you,

Ines.

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 5:43 PM Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Just for c= larity.

=
The changes= proposed here are for=C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves (not=C2=A0draft-= ietf-roll-efficient-npdao).=C2=A0 I changed the subject to reflect that.

Alvaro.

= On October 30, 2019 at 6:37:15 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote:

Dear all=C2=A0:

=C2=A0

There is a need in the RUL draf= t to carry a 6LoWPAN ND status inside a RPL status so we can avoid duplicat= ing DAR/DAC and DAO/DAO-ACK through the network. This also allows async com= munication down the DODAG through DCO (efficient NPDAO).

=C2=A0

Alvaro pointed out that mapping= one =C2=A0status in the other as proposed so far was not too clean. The ch= ange proposed herein addresses this concern. The change would be adding ano= ther control bit in the RPL status and formalizing the format as follows:

=C2=A0

7.=C2=A0 Updated RPL Status

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The RPL Status is defined in sec= tion 6.5.1. of [RFC6550] for use in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the DAO-Ack message and values a= re assigned as follows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+------= ---------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | Range=C2=A0=C2= =A0 | Meaning=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D+=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | RFC 6550=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+------= ---------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 | 1-127=C2=A0=C2= =A0 | Not an outright rejection |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+------= ---------------------+

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0| 128-255 | Rej= ection=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +---------+------= ---------------------+

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Table 1: RPL Status per RFC 6550

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This specification extends the s= cope of the RPL status to be used in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 RPL DCO messages.=C2=A0 Furtherm= ore, this specification enables to carry

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the status values defined for us= e in the IPv6 ND Extended Address

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Registration Option (EARO) and l= isted in table 1 of [RFC8505].=C2=A0 Only

=C2=A0=C2=A0 EARO status values in the range = 0-63 can be transported.=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 The resulting RPL status is as f= ollows:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A00 1 2 3 4 5 6 7

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0|E|A|=C2=A0 Value=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 |

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Figure 2: RPL status Format

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 RPL Status subfields:

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 E:=C2=A0 1-bit flag.=C2=A0 Set t= o indicate a rejection.=C2=A0 When not set, a value

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 of 0 indicates= success and other values indicate an non-outright-

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 rejection as p= er RFC 6550.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 A:=C2=A0 1-bit flag.=C2=A0 Indic= ates the type of the status value.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Status Value:=C2=A0 6-bit unsign= ed integer.=C2=A0 If the 'A' flag is set this

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 field transpor= ts a status value defined for IPv6 ND EARO.=C2=A0 When

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the 'A'= ; flag is reset, the status value is defined in a RPL

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 extension

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 When building a DCO message upon= an IPv6 ND NA or DAC message, the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 root MUST place the ARO status u= nchanged in a mapped DCO with the 'A'

=C2=A0=C2=A0 bit set.=C2=A0 Conversely the 6L= R MUST place the ARO status unchanged in

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the NA(EARO) that is built upon = a DCO with the 'A' bit set.

=C2=A0

Comments welcome (and urgent!).= Unless I see opposition I plan to publish before cutoff so we can discuss = it at IETF 106.

=C2=A0

All the best;

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

From: Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Sent: mardi 29 octobre 2019 23:10
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; draft-ietf-roll-effici= ent-npdao@ietf.org
Cc: roll-c= hairs@ietf.org; roll <roll@ietf.org>; Peter van der Stok <consultancy@vanderstok.org><= br> Subject: RE: AD Review of draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao-16<= /p>

=C2=A0

Hi!

=C2=A0

I=E2=80=99m fine with the changes proposed to=C2=A0draft-ietf-r= oll-efficient-npdao.

=C2=A0

I want to see the WG reach consensus on the changes related to= =C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves.

=C2=A0

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Alvaro.

=C2=A0

On Octob= er 29, 2019 at 5:52:13 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) (pthubert@cisco.com) wrote:

=C2=A0= If you agree with the proposed line above I'll make editions and come back to= you for more comments and/or approval.=C2=A0

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It's getting urgent to publish with the coming freeze. As for the RUL draft= I'm suggesting a clearer language to address the below: " 6.2. External Routes and RPL Artifacts Section 4.1. of [USEofRPLinfo] provides a set of rules that MUST be followed when forwarding packets over an external route: ... Non-Storing Mode DAO messages are used to signal external routes to the Root, even if the DODAG is operated in Storing Mode. This enables to advertise the 6LR that injects the route for use as tunnel endpoint in the data path. For all external routes, the Root should use an IP-in-IP tunnel to that 6LR, with the RPL artifacts in the outer header to be stripped by the 6LR. The IP-in-IP encapsulation may be avoided in storing mode if the path to the external destination beyond the 6LR is known to handle or ignore the RPL artifacts properly [RFC8200]. A RUL is an example of a destination that is reachable via an external (host) route for which IP-in-IP tunneling may be avoided as it ignores the RPI and the consumed SRH artifacts. The use of Non-Storing mode signaling in Storing Mode and the associated IP-in-IP encapsulation are transparent to intermediate routers that only see packets back and forth between the Root and the 6LR and do not need a special support for external routes. ... " I'll also make a PR for the change below in useofrplinfo. All the best, Pascal From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: mercredi 30 octobre 2019 13:59 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Cc: Michael Richardson Subject: RE: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo Hello Rahul, all From: Roll > On Behalf = Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48 To: roll > Cc: Michael Richardson = > Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not ha= ve caught a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a = mail) during the 106-session. Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. " I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR = advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targets= are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wha= t we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to whic= h the external target is attaching) handle the external target in non-stori= ng mode. This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing a= nd storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. Th= is has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens u= p a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I am apprehens= ive of adding such text to useofrplinfo. ( : Misunderstanding warning : ) The 'signaling' discussed in that text is the control plane, more specifica= lly the DAO that is sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to perc= olating child to parent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In= the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the intermediate= routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether there's an= IP packet inside. We certainly need to clarify. What about: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, external routes are not advertised within the DODAG and all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the address of the 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in= -IP encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and forward= s the original packet outside the RPL domain. " Regarding following, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft f= or which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different t= hing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that su= pport the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? " I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is = a defined RPL behavior. In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initia= lly thought. Cool, we agree : ) Regards, Rahul ________________________________ Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-R= PL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is dif= ferent if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need= to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That= new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized i= n a new section. the text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline be= low: " 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing Mode Signaling. Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet outside the RPL domain. This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the Internet. A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200].. The target may have been learned through as a host route or may have been registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before forwarding over that external route. " So where are we? We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which Use-= Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common w= ith the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we defin= e a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset o= f the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL= operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new = draft defines the RPL operation for one version of "that guy" then is can a= lso say whether "that guy" should be handled as a RUL or as an "external de= stination" in Use-Of-RPL-Info. Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a "RUL" in Use-Of-RPL-Info = is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normati= ve reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will pl= ay its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the = RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hastly. Looking forward to your reactions, Ines, Pascal and Michael. --_000_MN2PR11MB3565E564B5BD1AE2710EE1BBD8630MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It’s getting urgent to publish with the coming freeze. As for t= he RUL draft I’m suggesting a clearer language to address the below:<= o:p>

 

“

6.2.  External Routes and RPL Artifacts

 

   Section 4.1. of [USEofRPLinfo] provides a set of rules t= hat MUST be

   followed when forwarding packets over an external route:=

 

  …

 

   Non-Storing Mode DAO messages are used to signal external routes to

   the Root, even if= the DODAG is operated in Storing Mode.  This

   enables to advert= ise the 6LR that injects the route for use as tunnel

   endpoint in the d= ata path.  For all external routes, the Root should<= /p>

   use an IP-in-IP t= unnel to that 6LR, with the RPL artifacts in the

   outer header to b= e stripped by the 6LR.  The IP-in-IP encapsulation

   may be avoided in= storing mode if the path to the external

   destination beyon= d the 6LR is known to handle or ignore the RPL

   artifacts properl= y [RFC8200].  A RUL is an example of a destination

   that is reachable= via an external (host) route for which IP-in-IP

   tunneling may be = avoided as it ignores the RPI and the consumed SRH

   artifacts.  = The use of Non-Storing mode signaling in Storing Mode and=

   the associated IP= -in-IP encapsulation are transparent to intermediate

   routers that only= see packets back and forth between the Root and the

   6LR and do not ne= ed a special support for external routes.

 

…

 

“

 

I’ll also make a PR for the change below in useofrplinfo.<= /o:p>

 

All the best,

 

Pascal

 

From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 30 octobre 2019 13:59
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: RE: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

 

Hello Rah= ul, all

&nbs= p;

From: Roll <roll-bounces@= ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48
To: roll <roll@ietf.org><= br> Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

 

Thank y= ou for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not have caug= ht a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a mail) d= uring the 106-session.

&n= bsp;

Specifi= cally, I want to talk about the following text: 

&n= bsp;

" =

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOM= MEND that external

 

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode sig= naling even in a

 

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an= external target

 

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the= Root is informed of

 

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-= IP tunnel.

"<= o:p>

I under= stand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR adverti= sing the external-target. But when we say that only external targets are ad= vertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, what we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (a= nd not only the 6LR to which the external target is attaching) handle the e= xternal target in non-storing mode.

This me= ans that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing and stor= ing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. This has = implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens up a lot of room for interpretations and un= covered-scenarios. I am apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo.

 

 

<Pascal>

( : Misunderstanding warning : = )

 

The ‘signaling’ dis= cussed in that text is the control plane, more specifically the DAO that is= sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to percolating child to pa= rent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the int= ermediate routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether t= here’s an IP packet inside.

 

We certainly need to clarify. W= hat about:

 

“

 

This specifica= tion updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

 

targets are ad= vertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a

 

Storing-Mode n= etwork. This way, external routes are not advertised within

 

the DODAG and = all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal

 

non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the=

 

address of the= 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in-IP=

 

encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates= the IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards

 

the original packet outside the RPL domain<= /span>.<= o:p>

 

“

</Pascal>

 

 

 

 

Regardi= ng following, "Do we limit to = the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use= -Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL = draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? "

&n= bsp;

I certa= inly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is a defin= ed RPL behavior.

&n= bsp;

In gene= ral, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initially tho= ught.

 

 

<Pascal>

Cool, we agree : )

</Pascal>

 

Regards,

Rahul

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and pl= aced it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding= behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the ext= ernal destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text = also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a  = new section. the  text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below:

 

“

&nb= sp;

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise Externa= l Routes with Non-Storing

 

Mode Signaling.

 

 

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the= 'E' flag that is set to

 

indicate that the 6LR that generates the D= AO redistributes external

 

targets into the RPL network. An external = Target is a Target that

 

has been learned through an alternate prot= ocol, for instance a route

 

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain= but reachable via a 6LR.

 

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node th= at is reached via an

 

external target cannot be guaranteed to ig= nore the RPL artifacts and

 

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138= ] compression correctly.

 

This means that the RPL artifacts should b= e contained in an IP-in-IP

 

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, = and that any remaining

 

compression should be expanded by the 6LR = before it forwards a packet

 

outside the RPL domain.

 

 

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] t= o RECOMMEND that external

 

targets are advertised using Non-Storing M= ode signaling even in a

 

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packet= s to an external target

 

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, = and the Root is informed of

 

the address of the 6LR that terminates the= IP-in-IP tunnel. In case

 

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use= the same IP-in-IP

 

encapsulation for packets that it generate= s or that are originated

 

within the RPL domain as if the packets we= re coming from the

 

Internet.

 

 

A RUL is a special case of external target= when the target is

 

actually a host and it is known to support= a consumed Routing Header

 

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed b= y [RFC8200].. The target

 

may have been learned through as a host ro= ute or may have been

 

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-= in-IP encapsulation MAY be

 

avoided for Root to RUL communication if t= he RUL is known to process

 

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR= without decapsulation.

 

 

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to= a 6LN, it is beneficial

 

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-= IP, but that is not assumed

 

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Roo= t that encapsulates a

 

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a pa= rent 6LR unless it is aware

 

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulati= on.

 

 

A node that is reachable over an external = route is not expected to

 

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation= took place or not and

 

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet= to a RUL, the 6LR that

 

injected an external route MUST uncompress= the packet before

 

forwarding over that external route.

“

 

So where are we?

 

We need to agree on what we pl= ace in the definition of a RUL for which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a sp= ecial behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for whi= ch there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear s= uperset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a de= fined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtfu= l) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of “that guy” then is can also say whether = 220;that guy” should be handled as a RUL or as an “external des= tination” in Use-Of-RPL-Info.

 

Thus the proposal to that that= the operation of a “RUL” in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that= supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to de= fine what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent w= ith the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hast= ly.

 

Looking forward to your reacti= ons,

 

Ines, Pascal and Michael.

 

 

 

 

 

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I'd like to hear if people wish to add stuff / fea= tures, or if we have the expectations covered.=20 Unless something shows up soon, I'd say that the work on the RUL draft is c= omplete. It has been stable apart for the changes / text moves done in rela= tion with pulling usrofrplinfo and npdao from RFC editor queue. All items appear sorted out now, and this draft is now blocking the above o= nes in MISS REF, so I'd see value in moving forward with the RUL draft soon= to WGLC. Reviews before IETF 106 would be great to assess the readiness of= the draft. What do you think? Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: jeudi 31 octobre 2019 14:47 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: roll@ietf.org > Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy network= s > WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Eliding and Querying RPL Information > Authors : Pascal Thubert > Michael C. Richardson > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05.txt > Pages : 31 > Date : 2019-10-31 >=20 > Abstract: > This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unicast and > multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are plain > hosts and do not participate to RPL. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Thu Oct 31 07:20:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF2212011E for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ines and all I made a PR as promised https://github.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/pull/4 You'll find that the proposed change clarifies the issue that Rahul was rai= sing: " This specification updates [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, external routes are not advertised within the DODAG and all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal Non-Storing Mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the address of the 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in-IP encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards the original packet outside the RPL domain free of RPL artifacts. This whole operation is transparent to intermediate routers that only see traffic between the 6LR and the Root, and only the Root and the 6LRs that inject external routes in the network need to be upgraded to add this function to the network. < I hope this helps. Can you please consider publishing before cutoff? All the best Pascal From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: mercredi 30 octobre 2019 13:59 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Cc: Michael Richardson = > Subject: RE: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo Hello Rahul, all From: Roll > On Behalf = Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48 To: roll > Cc: Michael Richardson = > Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not ha= ve caught a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a = mail) during the 106-session. Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. " I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR = advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targets= are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wha= t we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to whic= h the external target is attaching) handle the external target in non-stori= ng mode. This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing a= nd storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. Th= is has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens u= p a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I am apprehens= ive of adding such text to useofrplinfo. ( : Misunderstanding warning : ) The 'signaling' discussed in that text is the control plane, more specifica= lly the DAO that is sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to perc= olating child to parent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In= the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the intermediate= routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether there's an= IP packet inside. We certainly need to clarify. What about: " This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, external routes are not advertised within the DODAG and all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the address of the 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in= -IP encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and forward= s the original packet outside the RPL domain. " Regarding following, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft f= or which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different t= hing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that su= pport the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? " I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is = a defined RPL behavior. In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initia= lly thought. Cool, we agree : ) Regards, Rahul ________________________________ Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-R= PL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, which is dif= ferent if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need= to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That= new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized i= n a new section. the text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline be= low: " 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing Mode Signaling. Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet outside the RPL domain. This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the Internet. A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200].. The target may have been learned through as a host route or may have been registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before forwarding over that external route. " So where are we? We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which Use-= Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common w= ith the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we defin= e a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset o= f the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL= operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new = draft defines the RPL operation for one version of "that guy" then is can a= lso say whether "that guy" should be handled as a RUL or as an "external de= stination" in Use-Of-RPL-Info. Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a "RUL" in Use-Of-RPL-Info = is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normati= ve reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will pl= ay its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the = RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hastly. Looking forward to your reactions, Ines, Pascal and Michael. --_000_MN2PR11MB356567130108F5A61A10AABDD8630MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Ines and all

 

I made a PR as promised https://github.c= om/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/pull/4

 

You’ll find that the proposed change clarifies the issue that R= ahul was raising:

“

   This specification updates [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that e= xternal

   targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messag= ing even in a

   Storing-Mode network.  This way, external routes ar= e not advertised

   within the DODAG and all packets to an external target r= each the Root

   like normal Non-Storing Mode traffic.  The Non-Stor= ing Mode DAO

   informs the Root of the address of the 6LR that injects = the external

   route, and the root uses IP-in-IP encapsulation to that = 6LR, which

   terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards the original= packet

   outside the RPL domain free of RPL artifacts.  This= whole operation

   is transparent to intermediate routers that only see tra= ffic between

   the 6LR and the Root, and only the Root and the 6LRs tha= t inject

   external routes in the network need to be upgraded to ad= d this

   function to the network.

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I hope this helps.  Can you please consider publishing before cu= toff?

 

All the best

 

Pascal

 

 

 

From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 30 octobre 2019 13:59
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: RE: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

 

Hello Rah= ul, all

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From: Roll <roll-bounces@= ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48
To: roll <roll@ietf.org><= br> Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

 

Thank y= ou for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not have caug= ht a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a mail) d= uring the 106-session.

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Specifi= cally, I want to talk about the following text: 

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" =

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOM= MEND that external

 

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode sig= naling even in a

 

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an= external target

 

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the= Root is informed of

 

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-= IP tunnel.

"<= o:p>

I under= stand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR adverti= sing the external-target. But when we say that only external targets are ad= vertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, what we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (a= nd not only the 6LR to which the external target is attaching) handle the e= xternal target in non-storing mode.

This me= ans that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing and stor= ing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. This has = implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text opens up a lot of room for interpretations and un= covered-scenarios. I am apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo.

 

 

<Pascal>

( : Misunderstanding warning : = )

 

The ‘signaling’ dis= cussed in that text is the control plane, more specifically the DAO that is= sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to percolating child to pa= rent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the int= ermediate routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether t= here’s an IP packet inside.

 

We certainly need to clarify. W= hat about:

 

“

 

This specifica= tion updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

 

targets are ad= vertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a

 

Storing-Mode n= etwork. This way, external routes are not advertised within

 

the DODAG and = all packets to an external target reach the Root like normal

 

non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the=

 

address of the= 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in-IP=

 

encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates= the IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards

 

the original packet outside the RPL domain<= /span>.<= o:p>

 

“

</Pascal>

 

 

 

 

Regardi= ng following, "Do we limit to = the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use= -Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL = draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? "

&n= bsp;

I certa= inly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is a defin= ed RPL behavior.

&n= bsp;

In gene= ral, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initially tho= ught.

 

 

<Pascal>

Cool, we agree : )

</Pascal>

 

Regards,

Rahul

&n= bsp;

&n= bsp;

Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and pl= aced it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding= behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the ext= ernal destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text = also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a  = new section. the  text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below:

 

“

&nb= sp;

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise Externa= l Routes with Non-Storing

 

Mode Signaling.

 

 

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the= 'E' flag that is set to

 

indicate that the 6LR that generates the D= AO redistributes external

 

targets into the RPL network. An external = Target is a Target that

 

has been learned through an alternate prot= ocol, for instance a route

 

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain= but reachable via a 6LR.

 

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node th= at is reached via an

 

external target cannot be guaranteed to ig= nore the RPL artifacts and

 

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138= ] compression correctly.

 

This means that the RPL artifacts should b= e contained in an IP-in-IP

 

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, = and that any remaining

 

compression should be expanded by the 6LR = before it forwards a packet

 

outside the RPL domain.

 

 

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] t= o RECOMMEND that external

 

targets are advertised using Non-Storing M= ode signaling even in a

 

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packet= s to an external target

 

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, = and the Root is informed of

 

the address of the 6LR that terminates the= IP-in-IP tunnel. In case

 

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use= the same IP-in-IP

 

encapsulation for packets that it generate= s or that are originated

 

within the RPL domain as if the packets we= re coming from the

 

Internet.

 

 

A RUL is a special case of external target= when the target is

 

actually a host and it is known to support= a consumed Routing Header

 

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed b= y [RFC8200].. The target

 

may have been learned through as a host ro= ute or may have been

 

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-= in-IP encapsulation MAY be

 

avoided for Root to RUL communication if t= he RUL is known to process

 

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR= without decapsulation.

 

 

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to= a 6LN, it is beneficial

 

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-= IP, but that is not assumed

 

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Roo= t that encapsulates a

 

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a pa= rent 6LR unless it is aware

 

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulati= on.

 

 

A node that is reachable over an external = route is not expected to

 

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation= took place or not and

 

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet= to a RUL, the 6LR that

 

injected an external route MUST uncompress= the packet before

 

forwarding over that external route.

“

 

So where are we?

 

We need to agree on what we pl= ace in the definition of a RUL for which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a sp= ecial behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for whi= ch there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear s= uperset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a de= fined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtfu= l) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of “that guy” then is can also say whether = 220;that guy” should be handled as a RUL or as an “external des= tination” in Use-Of-RPL-Info.

 

Thus the proposal to that that= the operation of a “RUL” in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that= supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to de= fine what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent w= ith the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hast= ly.

 

Looking forward to your reacti= ons,

 

Ines, Pascal and Michael.

 

 

 

 

 

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Thank you very much, Ines, Dominique and Peter. On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 4:06 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Dear chairs and all: > > I just published RUL 05. I'd like to hear if people wish to add stuff / > features, or if we have the expectations covered. > > Unless something shows up soon, I'd say that the work on the RUL draft is > complete. It has been stable apart for the changes / text moves done in > relation with pulling usrofrplinfo and npdao from RFC editor queue. > > All items appear sorted out now, and this draft is now blocking the above > ones in MISS REF, so I'd see value in moving forward with the RUL draft > soon to WGLC. Reviews before IETF 106 would be great to assess the > readiness of the draft. > > What do you think? > > Pascal > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roll On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: jeudi 31 octobre 2019 14:47 > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: roll@ietf.org > > Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05.txt > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy > networks > > WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : Eliding and Querying RPL Information > > Authors : Pascal Thubert > > Michael C. Richardson > > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05.txt > > Pages : 31 > > Date : 2019-10-31 > > > > Abstract: > > This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unicast and > > multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are plain > > hosts and do not participate to RPL. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000006399830596364027 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Pascal,=C2=A0

I agree, this = draft has high impact and we need indeed WG reviews

Dear all, could you please review this draft and sent your comments?=C2= =A0

Thank you very much,

= Ines, Dominique and Peter.=C2=A0
=C2=A0

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 4:= 06 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <p= thubert@cisco.com> wrote:
Dear chairs and all:

I just published RUL 05. I'd like to hear if people wish to add stuff /= features, or if we have the expectations covered.

Unless something shows up soon, I'd say that the work on the RUL draft = is complete. It has been stable apart for the changes / text moves done in = relation with pulling usrofrplinfo and npdao from RFC editor queue.

All items appear sorted out now, and this draft is now blocking the above o= nes in MISS REF, so I'd see value in moving forward with the RUL draft = soon to WGLC. Reviews before IETF 106 would be great to assess the readines= s of the draft.

What do you think?

Pascal

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05.txt
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir= ectories.
> This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy netw= orks
> WG of the IETF.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0: Eliding and Querying RPL Information
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0: Pascal Thubert
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Michael C. Richardson
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>
> Abstract:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide= unicast and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that a= re plain
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 hosts and do not participate to RPL.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/do= c/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-= ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05
> https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission
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--0000000000006399830596364027-- From nobody Thu Oct 31 08:21:11 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F8B2120077 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:21:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WCxRpftpEJTw for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd36.google.com (mail-io1-xd36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3AF2E12081D for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd36.google.com with SMTP id w12so7119504iol.11 for ; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:21:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BR24nrlWVO8Xsm3tMz3lY3ScujZbv68RThSQwfwOxBA=; b=WVWYj6KoZMAQRCE5jwtTJc5/CqWr2Xpo3ohACZ5FVdmKpN58+e0ijklnGfmkZujlIL 6r4q5r5HCJ96s0WsDaVq1c85Uy8RJjnOvfwQL3HI5Ry/nwxtzFqNAGNTakpppR8cAFYQ lZe4Uh2cIjsY+npPnuau53lFtA+1xuy4Q33rMe9jZPtBMj7UDowV+PXvITsIGty4iMTS nmr4Est/yJlIUrb+OLujiMuGLybi170d9QK+zq+ZVO1mugKXfoh7NhUmdIscnz0nimj1 PaQMYUJ4eMVN+FvENg6Gbkv/14SybZSi6Ulbht67IFuT7/FDtAXbzT+OHRRJosadCnZL RSNg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BR24nrlWVO8Xsm3tMz3lY3ScujZbv68RThSQwfwOxBA=; b=j6qe7CjDCFLADGIdGiaQqpzPjYDbOvrv4+843v5ZJVSgQlAPVg7poCmdLsK6P3gXmF SbFhzqlq7cmD1bVvgE69ajpJoW4jVf9+SkKTxne09Ii1VAng8JGM/jdKseJz7Jp8SPoF zyJlUCt3k1bBLBFFO+Mt3lQIXPElVzBAVw3nI+SadRCU7sFO1SCByFnkTzWYhAak3pLt TWfQnm/aIL7zRn2Ke2EopLNMsFHhBYdUCYe0TusWTa9YhWIPuma8ubxbpMXFDTSjlB+A puramG7QElgfsKYUeftR3aE5geGEVpU0FdrCNM4K9AvM1+5lV0xOeOy+eeYFRk39OuFc Xppw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVuVaRhL4B3apHcB9pVvWARBcoy8YI9/zokEYH1Cj1ocZgsh4Li EfIlVxOF/5eE7zbTougEn7AAAMe2hyACWDTskKw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwoE6CpBqhqC9FCV/VOUc5F8wIOTNtyT/u/Nw24rIz7WriHt4DK7siRixiHUX8aHU9hC7okPMrr/faQcZjXWbU= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:6a6:: with SMTP id d6mr1718632jad.21.1572535264202; Thu, 31 Oct 2019 08:21:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ines Robles Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:20:27 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , Rahul Jadhav , Michael Richardson , Alvaro Retana Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d1d5020596366543" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 15:21:10 -0000 --000000000000d1d5020596366543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Pascal for adding the clarification. I will add the modifications to the use cases related: 1- Storing Mode: Example of Flow from Internet to RUL. and 2- Storing Mode: Example of Flow from RUL to RUL. and publish it. Best, Ines. On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 4:20 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Dear Ines and all > > > > I made a PR as promised https://github.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/pull/4 > > > > You=E2=80=99ll find that the proposed change clarifies the issue that Rah= ul was > raising: > > =E2=80=9C > > This specification updates [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a > > Storing-Mode network. This way, external routes are not advertised > > within the DODAG and all packets to an external target reach the Root > > like normal Non-Storing Mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO > > informs the Root of the address of the 6LR that injects the external > > route, and the root uses IP-in-IP encapsulation to that 6LR, which > > terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards the original packet > > outside the RPL domain free of RPL artifacts. This whole operation > > is transparent to intermediate routers that only see traffic between > > the 6LR and the Root, and only the Root and the 6LRs that inject > > external routes in the network need to be upgraded to add this > > function to the network. > > =C2=AB > > > > I hope this helps. Can you please consider publishing before cutoff? > > > > All the best > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 30 octobre 2019 13:59 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Cc:* Michael Richardson > *Subject:* RE: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinf= o > > > > Hello Rahul, all > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Rahul Jadhav > *Sent:* dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48 > *To:* roll > *Cc:* Michael Richardson > *Subject:* Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinf= o > > > > Thank you for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not > have caught a drift if this would have been talked about directly (withou= t > a mail) during the 106-session. > > > > Specifically, I want to talk about the following text: > > > > " > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a > > > > Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target > > > > reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of > > > > the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. > > " > > I understand the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6L= R > advertising the external-target. But when we say that only external targe= ts > are advertised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, wh= at > we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (and not only the 6LR to whic= h > the external target is attaching) handle the external target in non-stori= ng > mode. > > This means that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing > and storing mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. > This has implications for behaviour during parent switching. The text ope= ns > up a lot of room for interpretations and uncovered-scenarios. I am > apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo. > > > > > > > > ( : Misunderstanding warning : ) > > > > The =E2=80=98signaling=E2=80=99 discussed in that text is the control pla= ne, more > specifically the DAO that is sent by the 6LR directly to the root as > opposed to percolating child to parent like other internal DAO message in > storing mode. In the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, s= o > the intermediate routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry > whether there=E2=80=99s an IP packet inside. > > > > We certainly need to clarify. What about: > > > > =E2=80=9C > > > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a > > > > Storing-Mode network. This way, external routes are not advertised within > > > > the DODAG and all packets to an external target reach the Root like norma= l > > > > non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of th= e > > > > address of the 6LR that injects the external route, and the root uses > IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel and > forwards > > > > the original packet outside the RPL domain. > > > > =E2=80=9C > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding following, "Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft > for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new differen= t > thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that > support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation? " > > > > I certainly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there i= s > a defined RPL behavior. > > > > In general, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I > initially thought. > > > > > > > > Cool, we agree : ) > > > > > > Regards, > > Rahul > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the > Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, > which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external > destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily need= ed > for a RUL). That new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is > completely localized in a new section. the text was moved about routing > from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please > find that text inline below: > > > > =E2=80=9C > > > > 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing > > > > Mode Signaling. > > > > > > Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to > > > > indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external > > > > targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that > > > > has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route > > > > to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. > > > > Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an > > > > external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and > > > > cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. > > > > This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining > > > > compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet > > > > outside the RPL domain. > > > > > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a > > > > Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target > > > > reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of > > > > the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case > > > > of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated > > > > within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the > > > > Internet. > > > > > > A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is > > > > actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header > > > > and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200].. The target > > > > may have been learned through as a host route or may have been > > > > registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be > > > > avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process > > > > the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. > > > > > > In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial > > > > that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed > > > > by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a > > > > packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware > > > > that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. > > > > > > A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to > > > > support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and > > > > even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that > > > > injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before > > > > forwarding over that external route. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > So where are we? > > > > We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for > which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the > ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavio= r, > or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an > unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which > there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, > though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of > =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy= =E2=80=9D should be handled as a > RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info. > > > > Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D i= n Use-Of-RPL-Info > is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a > normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSRE= F > will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent > with the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too > hastly. > > > > Looking forward to your reactions, > > > > Ines, Pascal and Michael. > > > > > > > > > > > --000000000000d1d5020596366543 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Pascal for adding the clarification.=C2=A0
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I will add the modifications to the use cases related: 1-=C2= =A0Storing Mode: Example of Flow from Internet to RUL. and 2-=C2= =A0Storing Mode: Example of Flow from RUL to RUL. and publish it.<= /div>

Best,

Ines.

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 4:20 PM Pascal Thuber= t (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear Ines and all=

=C2=A0

I made a PR as promised https://github.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/pull/4

=C2=A0

You=E2=80=99ll find that the pr= oposed change clarifies the issue that Rahul was raising:

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This specification= updates [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

=C2=A0=C2=A0 targets are advert= ised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 Storing-Mode netwo= rk.=C2=A0 This way, external routes are not advertised=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 within the DODAG a= nd all packets to an external target reach the Root

=C2=A0=C2=A0 like normal Non-St= oring Mode traffic.=C2=A0 The Non-Storing Mode DAO

=C2=A0=C2=A0 informs the Root o= f the address of the 6LR that injects the external

=C2=A0=C2=A0 route, and the roo= t uses IP-in-IP encapsulation to that 6LR, which

=C2=A0=C2=A0 terminates the IP-= in-IP tunnel and forwards the original packet

=C2=A0=C2=A0 outside the RPL do= main free of RPL artifacts.=C2=A0 This whole operation=

=C2=A0=C2=A0 is transparent to = intermediate routers that only see traffic between

=C2=A0=C2=A0 the 6LR and the Ro= ot, and only the Root and the 6LRs that inject

=C2=A0=C2=A0 external routes in= the network need to be upgraded to add this

=C2=A0=C2=A0 function to the network.

=C2=AB=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I hope this helps.=C2=A0 Can yo= u please consider publishing before cutoff?

=C2=A0

All the best

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 30 octobre 2019 13:59
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: RE: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

=C2=A0

Hello Rahul, all

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: dimanche 27 octobre 2019 05:48
To: roll <roll= @ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

=C2=A0

Thank you= for clarifying the thoughts in the mail. I am sure I would not have caught= a drift if this would have been talked about directly (without a mail) dur= ing the 106-session.

= =C2=A0

Specifica= lly, I want to talk about the following text:=C2=A0

= =C2=A0

"

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to R= ECOMMEND that external

=C2=A0

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode= signaling even in a

=C2=A0

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets t= o an external target

=C2=A0

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and= the Root is informed of

=C2=A0

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP= -in-IP tunnel.

"=

I underst= and the reason why we need IP-in-IP tunnel terminating at the 6LR advertisi= ng the external-target. But when we say that only external targets are adve= rtised using non-storing mode signaling even in a storing MOP, what we are asking is that all the 6LRs en-route (a= nd not only the 6LR to which the external target is attaching) handle the e= xternal target in non-storing mode.

This mean= s that all 6LRs in the network need to be capable of non-storing and storin= g mode even though the MOP advertised was for storing MOP only. This has im= plications for behaviour during parent switching.=C2=A0The text opens up a lot of room for interpretations and un= covered-scenarios. I am apprehensive of adding such text to useofrplinfo.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0

<Pascal>

( : Misunderstanding warning : = )

=C2=A0

The =E2=80=98signaling=E2=80=99= discussed in that text is the control plane, more specifically the DAO tha= t is sent by the 6LR directly to the root as opposed to percolating child t= o parent like other internal DAO message in storing mode. In the data plane you have IP in IP to the 6LR and no RH, so the int= ermediate routers just see a packet to the 6LR and need not worry whether t= here=E2=80=99s an IP packet inside.

=C2=A0

We certainly need to clarify. W= hat about:

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0

This specificati= on updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

=C2=A0=

targets are adve= rtised using Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging even in a<= /p>

=C2=A0=

Storing-Mode net= work. This way, external routes are not advertised within

=C2=A0=

the DODAG and al= l packets to an external target reach the Root like normal

=C2=A0=

non-storing mode traffic. The Non-Storing Mode DAO informs the Root of the

=C2=A0=

address of the 6= LR that injects the external route, and the root uses IP-in-IP

=C2=A0=

encapsulation to that 6LR, which terminates t= he IP-in-IP tunnel and forwards

=C2=A0=

the original packet outside the RPL domain.=

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

</Pascal>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regarding= following, "Do we limit t= o the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use= -Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL = draft and for which there is a defined RPL operation?=C2=A0"

= =C2=A0

I certain= ly feel that we should limit the ground common for which there is a defined= RPL behavior.

= =C2=A0

In genera= l, unaware-leaves seem to have a much broader impact than I initially thoug= ht.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0

<Pascal>

Cool, we agree=C2=A0: ) =

</Pascal>

=C2=A0

Regards,

Rahul<= /u>

= =C2=A0

= =C2=A0

Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and pl= aced it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding= behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the ext= ernal destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text = also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a=C2=A0 = new section. the=C2=A0 text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to t= hat section. Since it is not published yet, please find that text inline below:

= =C2=A0

= =E2=80=9C

=C2=A0

4.1. Updates to = RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing

=C2=A0

Mode Signaling.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Section 6.7.8. o= f [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to=

=C2=A0

indicate that th= e 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external

=C2=A0

targets into the= RPL network. An external Target is a Target that

=C2=A0

has been learned= through an alternate protocol, for instance a route

=C2=A0

to a prefix that= is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR.

=C2=A0

Being outside of= the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an

=C2=A0

external target = cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and

=C2=A0

cannot be expect= ed to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly.

=C2=A0

This means that = the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP

=C2=A0

encapsulation th= at is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining

=C2=A0

compression shou= ld be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet<= /p>

=C2=A0

outside the RPL domain.<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This specificati= on updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external

=C2=A0

targets are adve= rtised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a

=C2=A0

Storing-Mode net= work. This way, all packets to an external target

=C2=A0

reach the Root t= hat can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of<= /p>

=C2=A0

the address of t= he 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel.=C2=A0In case

=C2=A0

of an external t= arget, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP

=C2=A0

encapsulation fo= r packets that it generates or that are originated

=C2=A0

within the RPL d= omain as if the packets were coming from the

=C2=A0

Internet.<= /p>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A RUL is a speci= al case of external target when the target is

=C2=A0

actually a host = and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header

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and to ignore a = HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200]..=C2=A0The target=

=C2=A0

may have been le= arned through as a host route or may have been

=C2=A0

registered to th= e 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be

=C2=A0

avoided for Root= to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process

=C2=A0

the packets as f= orwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In order to enab= le IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial

=C2=A0

that the 6LN sup= ports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed<= /p>

=C2=A0

by [RFC8504]. If= the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a

=C2=A0

packet SHOULD te= rminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware<= /p>

=C2=A0

that the RUL sup= ports IP-in-IP decapsulation.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A node that is r= eachable over an external route is not expected to

=C2=A0

support [RFC8138= ]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and

=C2=A0

even when the 6L= R is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that

=C2=A0

injected an exte= rnal route MUST uncompress the packet before

=C2=A0

forwarding over = that external route.

= =E2=80=9C

= =C2=A0

So= where are we?

= =C2=A0

We= need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for which=C2=A0U= se-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the ground commo= n with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear s= uperset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a de= fined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtfu= l) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether= =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cex= ternal destination=E2=80=9D=C2=A0in=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info.<= /u>

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Th= us the proposal to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Us= e-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL d= raft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, M= ISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent w= ith the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not published too hast= ly.

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Lo= oking forward to your reactions,

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In= es, Pascal and Michael.

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I think Extended MOP is not required for projected DAO. Objective of P-DAO is to enable a path computing element (PCE) with global topological view of the network, knowledge of device capabilities and various network parameters to compute and install optimized (TE) routes to meet certain application requirements (Application scenarios requiring P2P path between devices). Why Projected DAO is more of a Capability Compare to the Mode of Operation? 1- The core mesh network will always operate either in Storing or Non-Storing mode. Projected DAO will use the underlying topology to compute more efficient p-routes and install them either in storing or non-storing mode. A new LR, irrespective of it supports projected DAO or not it has to join the network. This joining decision is completely based on which mode global network is operating and the new LR supports it or not. 2- P-DAO is more like a capability. This capability mostly includes if the LR has enough memory to store the P-Routes and support to do SRH based packet forwarding. Let=E2=80=99s consider the below scenarios 1=E2=80=94Global Network is Storing - P-Route to be installed in Storing mode For this to work all the LR need to have P-Route table - P-Route to be installed is non-storing Just the Ingress node must store the route entry in the P-Route table and all other intermediate LRs in the P-Route process the SRH header and forward the packet. 2=E2=80=94Global Network is Non-Storing Same requirement as above mentioned in storing mode case. So P-DAO is independent of global mode of operation of the LLN. What do you all think? Thanks Rabi --000000000000d4de7305963dfb14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All

If my understanding is not wrong ID draft-ietf-r= oll-mopex-cap-00 is introduced to support Projected DAO. I think Extended M= OP is not required for projected DAO.

Objective of P-DAO is to enable a=C2=A0path computing element (PCE) with global topological view of= the network, knowledge of device capabilities and various network paramete= rs to compute and install optimized (TE) routes to meet certain application= requirements (Application scenarios requiring P2P path between devices).

Why Projected DAO is more of a Capability Compare to the= Mode of Operation?

1-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0The core mesh network will always = operate either in Storing or Non-Storing mode. Projected DAO will use the u= nderlying topology to compute more efficient p-routes and install them eith= er in storing or non-storing mode. A new LR, irrespective of it supports pr= ojected DAO or not it has to join the network. This joining decision is com= pletely based on which mode global network is operating and the new LR supp= orts it or not.


2-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0P-DAO is more like a capabil= ity. This capability mostly includes if the LR has enough memory to store t= he P-Routes and support to do SRH based packet forwarding.

= Let=E2=80=99s consider the below scenarios

<= p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 8pt;text-align:justify;text-i= ndent:36pt;line-height:15.6933px;font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-se= rif">1=E2=80=94Global Network is Storing

    • P-= Route to be installed in Storing mode

For this to work all the LR need to have P-Route table<= /p>

<= /p>

  • <= span style=3D"font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;fo= nt-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"Times = New Roman"">=C2=A0=C2=A0P-Route to be installed is non-storing

Just the Ingress node must store the route entry in the P-Rout= e table and all other intermediate LRs in the P-Route process the SRH heade= r and forward the packet.

2=E2=80=94Gl= obal Network is Non-Storing

=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= Same requirement as above mentioned in storing mode case.

So P-DAO is independent of global mode of operation of th= e LLN.=C2=A0

What do you all think?

Thanks
Rabi

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