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<1FD20A4E-D78D-44C3-B6AB-09BC47B1D5A2@cisco.com> From: Ines Robles Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:19:10 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000000c3b75059644a148" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] [ROLL] Projected DAO and Extended MOP X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:19:51 -0000 --0000000000000c3b75059644a148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, This is a lot of stuff and I expect we=E2=80=99ll need more time than I ini= tially > expected at the WG meetings. > We will take that into account when we build the agenda ;-) Thanks, Ines. > > Regards, > > Pascal > > Le 1 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 01:24, rabi narayan sahoo a > =C3=A9crit : > > =EF=BB=BF > Hello All > > If my understanding is not wrong ID draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 is > introduced to support Projected DAO. I think Extended MOP is not required > for projected DAO. > > Objective of P-DAO is to enable a path computing element (PCE) with > global topological view of the network, knowledge of device capabilities > and various network parameters to compute and install optimized (TE) rout= es > to meet certain application requirements (Application scenarios requiring > P2P path between devices). > > Why Projected DAO is more of a Capability Compare to the Mode of Operatio= n? > > 1- The core mesh network will always operate either in Storing or > Non-Storing mode. Projected DAO will use the underlying topology to compu= te > more efficient p-routes and install them either in storing or non-storing > mode. A new LR, irrespective of it supports projected DAO or not it has t= o > join the network. This joining decision is completely based on which mode > global network is operating and the new LR supports it or not. > > > 2- P-DAO is more like a capability. This capability mostly includes > if the LR has enough memory to store the P-Routes and support to do SRH > based packet forwarding. > > Let=E2=80=99s consider the below scenarios > > 1=E2=80=94Global Network is Storing > > > - P-Route to be installed in Storing mode > > For this to work all the LR need to have P-Route table > > > - P-Route to be installed is non-storing > > Just the Ingress node must store the route entry in the P-Route table and > all other intermediate LRs in the P-Route process the SRH header and > forward the packet. > > 2=E2=80=94Global Network is Non-Storing > > Same requirement as above mentioned in storing mode case. > So P-DAO is independent of global mode of operation of the LLN. > > What do you all think? > > Thanks > Rabi > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000000c3b75059644a148 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

This is a lot of stuff and I expect we=E2=80= =99ll need more time than I initially expected at the WG meetings.

We will take that into = account when we build the agenda ;-)=C2=A0

Thanks,=

Ines.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 1 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 01:24, rabi narayan sahoo &= lt;rabinara= yans0828@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

=EF=BB=BF
Hello All

If my understanding is not wrong ID draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 is introdu= ced to support Projected DAO. I think Extended MOP is not required for proj= ected DAO.

Objective of P-DAO is to enable a=C2=A0path computing = element (PCE) with global topological view of the network, knowledge of dev= ice capabilities and various network parameters to compute and install opti= mized (TE) routes to meet certain application requirements (Application scenarios requiring P2P path between devices).

Why Projected DAO is more of a Capability Compare to t= he Mode of Operation?

1-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The core mesh network will always operate either in Storing or Non-Storing mode. Projected DAO will use the underlyi= ng topology to compute more efficient p-routes and install them either in s= toring or non-storing mode. A new LR, irrespective of it supports projected= DAO or not it has to join the network. This joining decision is completely based on which mode global network is = operating and the new LR supports it or not.


2-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0P-DAO is more like a capability. This capabi= lity mostly includes if the LR has enough memory to store the P-Routes and supp= ort to do SRH based packet forwarding.

Let=E2=80=99s consider the below scenarios

1=E2=80=94Global Network is Storing

    • P-Route to be installed= in Storing mode

For this to work all the LR need to have P-Route table=

  • =C2=A0=C2=A0P-Route to be installed is non-storing

Just the Ingress node must store the route entry in th= e P-Route table and all other intermediate LRs in the P-Route process the S= RH header and forward the packet.

2=E2=80=94Global Network is Non-Storing

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Same requirement as above mentioned in stori= ng mode case.

So P-DAO is independent of global mode of operation= of the LLN.=C2=A0

What do you all think?

Thanks
Rabi

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I have very much enjoyed the collaboration with Ines. Leaving behind a lively WG, I wish you much success with your standardisation efforts. May Ines and Dominique live many productive co-chair years. Greetings, Peter dominique.barthel@orange.com schreef op 2019-11-01 08:21: >> Hello all, >> >> Thanks to all who expressed their welcome, on the ML or via direct email, about my new position in the WG. >> I wish to express my thanks as well to Peter for his excellent contribution to the community in the co-chair capacity. >> I feel honored and excited to follow him and other impressive former co-chairs in this position. >> Peter has volunteered to help me ease out the transition, thank you so much Peter! >> To all, I look forward to working with you, and put my time and energy in facilitating an efficient and quality work within the WG and across related WGs. >> For those who will physically attend, see you in Singapore! >> Best regards, >> >> Dominique >> De : Roll on behalf of Alvaro Retana >> Répondre à : "roll@ietf.org" >> Date : Tuesday 29 October 2019 13:55 >> À : "roll@ietf.org" >> Objet : [Roll] New roll Co-Chair > Dear roll WG: > > Due to work constraints Peter can't continue as roll Co-Chair, a position in which he has served for over 3 years. Peter: thank you for all the time and effort you have put into the WG -- we all look forward to working with you in the future! > > In consultation with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the role of roll Co-Chair. Dominique has been an active participant in the IETF for over 10 years. He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.com. > > I am adding Dominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition. The expectation is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106. Welcome Dominique! > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. > > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --=_fd9c09f03da72c1a78a7dc5bca183da0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Dear WG,

Thank you very much for your kind words.
I have ve= ry much enjoyed the collaboration with Ines. 
Leaving behind a li= vely WG, I wish you much success with your standardisation efforts.
Ma= y Ines and Dominique live many productive co-chair years.

Greeti= ngs,

Peter

dominique.barthel@orange.com schreef op 2019-11-01 08= :21:

Hello all,
 
Thanks to all who expressed their welcome, on the ML or via direct ema= il, about my new position in the WG.
I wish to express my thanks as well to Peter for his excellent contrib= ution to the community in the co-chair capacity.
I feel honored and excited to follow him and other impressive former c= o-chairs in this position.  
Peter has volunteered to help me ease out the transition, thank you so= much Peter!
To all, I look forward to working with you, and put my time and energy= in facilitating an efficient and quality work within the WG and across rel= ated WGs.
For those who will physically attend, see you in Singapore!
Best regards,
 
Dominique
<= span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">De : Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>
Répondre à : "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Date : Tuesday 29 October 2019 13:55
À : "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Objet : [Roll] New roll Co-Chair
 
 
Dear roll WG:=
 
Due to work c= onstraints Peter can't continue as roll Co-Chair, a position in which he ha= s served for over 3 years.  Peter: thank you for all the time and effo= rt you have put into the WG — we all look forward to working with you= in the future!
 
In consultati= on with Ines, we have asked Dominique Barthel to take on the role of roll C= o-Chair.  Dominique has been an active participant in the IETF for ove= r 10 years.  He can be reached at dominique.barthel@orange.com.
 
I am adding D= ominique as a third Chair to facilitate any transition.  The expectati= on is that he will fully take over for Peter at IETF 106.  Welcome Dom= inique!
 
Thanks!
 
Alvaro.
 
______________________________________________________________________=
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Thanks Peter for your hard work and contr= ibutions. Thanks to Dominique and welcome,

=
Best wishes,
AB

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 2:55 PM Alvaro Re= tana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
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I don't think it is the right approach, why using= the DODAG configuration for compression? this compression turn on/off is n= ot for the DODAG construction but for packets. I think we=C2=A0should separ= ate configurations of the RPL routing standards and of=C2=A0the packet comp= ression standards. We may add another configuration option per DODAG or ano= ther way.

What do you think?

<= div>AB=C2=A0

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &= lt;pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:<= br>

Dear all

=C2=A0

https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple draft= that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.

There=E2=80=99s no black magic = and it would be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it= . Could we consider adoption?

=C2=A0

=

All the best

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I will attend the sessions remotely. I hope sibling advertisement will have network metric information too. We should also consider adding a option to DIO for disseminating PCE information if PCE is not part of BR. Looking forward for the new version of the draft. Thanks Rabi On Fri, 1 Nov, 2019, 1:31 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert), wrote: > This is all very convincing Rabi. > > Let=E2=80=99s discuss in Singapore. Will you be present ? > > I plan to publish an update today or Monday. > The update will have proposals for a number of items that were in the > table, advertising siblings, requesting a route, compressing the VIO base= d > on RFC 8138 and building Tracks. > > This is a lot of stuff and I expect we=E2=80=99ll need more time than I i= nitially > expected at the WG meetings. > > Regards, > > Pascal > > Le 1 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 01:24, rabi narayan sahoo a > =C3=A9crit : > > =EF=BB=BF > Hello All > > If my understanding is not wrong ID draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 is > introduced to support Projected DAO. I think Extended MOP is not required > for projected DAO. > > Objective of P-DAO is to enable a path computing element (PCE) with > global topological view of the network, knowledge of device capabilities > and various network parameters to compute and install optimized (TE) rout= es > to meet certain application requirements (Application scenarios requiring > P2P path between devices). > > Why Projected DAO is more of a Capability Compare to the Mode of Operatio= n? > > 1- The core mesh network will always operate either in Storing or > Non-Storing mode. Projected DAO will use the underlying topology to compu= te > more efficient p-routes and install them either in storing or non-storing > mode. A new LR, irrespective of it supports projected DAO or not it has t= o > join the network. This joining decision is completely based on which mode > global network is operating and the new LR supports it or not. > > > 2- P-DAO is more like a capability. This capability mostly includes > if the LR has enough memory to store the P-Routes and support to do SRH > based packet forwarding. > > Let=E2=80=99s consider the below scenarios > > 1=E2=80=94Global Network is Storing > > > - P-Route to be installed in Storing mode > > For this to work all the LR need to have P-Route table > > > - P-Route to be installed is non-storing > > Just the Ingress node must store the route entry in the P-Route table and > all other intermediate LRs in the P-Route process the SRH header and > forward the packet. > > 2=E2=80=94Global Network is Non-Storing > > Same requirement as above mentioned in storing mode case. > So P-DAO is independent of global mode of operation of the LLN. > > What do you all think? > > Thanks > Rabi > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000c0ea17059655fe90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=C2=A0
I won't be coming to Singapore. I will at= tend the sessions remotely.
I hope sibling advertiseme= nt will have network metric information too. We should also consider adding= a option to DIO for disseminating PCE information if PCE is not part of BR= .=C2=A0
Looking forward for the new version of the draft.=C2=A0 = =C2=A0
Thanks
Rabi

On = Fri, 1 Nov, 2019, 1:31 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert), <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
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This is all very convincing Rabi.

Let=E2=80=99s discuss in Singapore. Will you be present ?

I plan to publish an update today or Monday.
The update will have proposals for a number of items that were in the = table, advertising siblings, requesting a route, compressing the VIO based = on RFC 8138 and building Tracks.=C2=A0

This is a lot of stuff and I expect we=E2=80=99ll need more time than = I initially expected at the WG meetings.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 1 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 01:24, rabi narayan sahoo &= lt;rabinarayans0828@gmail.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

=EF=BB=BF
Hello All

If my understanding is not wrong ID draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-00 is introdu= ced to support Projected DAO. I think Extended MOP is not required for proj= ected DAO.

Objective of P-DAO is to enable a=C2=A0path computing = element (PCE) with global topological view of the network, knowledge of dev= ice capabilities and various network parameters to compute and install opti= mized (TE) routes to meet certain application requirements (Application scenarios requiring P2P path between devices).

Why Projected DAO is more of a Capability Compare to t= he Mode of Operation?

1-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0The core mesh network will always operate either in Storing or Non-Storing mode. Projected DAO will use the underlyi= ng topology to compute more efficient p-routes and install them either in s= toring or non-storing mode. A new LR, irrespective of it supports projected= DAO or not it has to join the network. This joining decision is completely based on which mode global network is = operating and the new LR supports it or not.


2-=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0P-DAO is more like a capability. This capabi= lity mostly includes if the LR has enough memory to store the P-Routes and supp= ort to do SRH based packet forwarding.

Let=E2=80=99s consider the below scenarios

1=E2=80=94Global Network is Storing

    • P-Route to be installed= in Storing mode

For this to work all the LR need to have P-Route table=

  • =C2=A0=C2=A0P-Route to be installed is non-storing

Just the Ingress node must store the route entry in th= e P-Route table and all other intermediate LRs in the P-Route process the S= RH header and forward the packet.

2=E2=80=94Global Network is Non-Storing

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Same requirement as above mentioned in stori= ng mode case.

So P-DAO is independent of global mode of operation= of the LLN.=C2=A0

What do you all think?

Thanks
Rabi

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, We have pushed the updates to Capability draft based mostly on the discussi= ons during the interims. Michael is added as the co-author for his inputs during design discussions.= Thank you. Any feedback will be highly appreciated. Thanks, Rahul ________________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 7:24 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF. Title : Mode of Operation extension and Capabilities Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Michael Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2019-11-02 Abstract: RPL allows different mode of operations which allows nodes to have a consensus on the basic primitives that must be supported to join the network. The MOP field in RFC6550 is of 3 bits and is fast depleting. This document extends the MOP field specification and adds a notion of capabilities using which the nodes can further advertise their support for, possibly optional, capabilities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hello All,

We have pushed the updates to Capability draft based mostly on the discussi= ons during the interims.
Michael is added as the co-author for his inputs during design discussions.= Thank you.

Any feedback will be highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rahul 

________________________________________
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Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

        Title    &nb= sp;      : Mode of Operation extension and Capabil= ities
        Authors    &= nbsp;    : Rahul Arvind Jadhav
            &nb= sp;            = Pascal Thubert
            &nb= sp;            = Michael Richardson
        Filename    =     : draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01.txt
        Pages    &nb= sp;      : 10
        Date    &nbs= p;       : 2019-11-02

Abstract:
   RPL allows different mode of operations which allows nodes to = have a
   consensus on the basic primitives that must be supported to jo= in the
   network.  The MOP field in RFC6550 is of 3 bits and is fa= st
   depleting.  This document extends the MOP field specifica= tion and
   adds a notion of capabilities using which the nodes can furthe= r
   advertise their support for, possibly optional, capabilities.<= br>

The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
htt= ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01<= br>
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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-mopex-cap-01


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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Remous, Georgios for addressing the comments. Regarding using a single OCP... looks like you agree we just need a single = OCP. Regarding security considerations .. looks like we agree also. Regarding extending MRHoF, your argument sounds fine. Can you please post t= he updated text since the details on how to use parent set as constraints m= ay not be as straightforward? It is better to update the text and make the = proposition more clear like you suggested. Best, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:31 PM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: Re: [Roll] NSA extn review Hello Rahul, thank you so much for these comments and sorry for taking so long to answer= . I have some responses inline. On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:27 AM Rahul Jadhav > wrote: Hello, Authors of NSA-extension, I agreed to review the document in IETF105 and would like to provide my com= ments. But before going into details, will it be possible to upload the XML versio= n of the draft to the datatracker? Unlike other drafts, I do not see the XM= L form of this draft! Also, it would be much efficient if we sync using Git= Hub repo (where I can send PR for you to review). I have just created a new repository as part of the ROLL WG github account = called draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension. It contains the up-to-date draft XML file. Feel free to post PRs and we wil= l quickly handle them. My primary point of discussion would be the way MRHoF is handled in the dra= ft. The current text/OF described in the document seems insufficient. MRHOF makes sense only for metrics that are additive in nature. The CAOFs p= resented in the document are not additive, and the text simply tries to som= ehow fit MRHOF in the context. So I think maybe this is probably a misunderstanding. The draft proposes two things: 1. An extension to the DIO DAGMC NSA object to include a subset of the sort= ed parent set (PS) of a node. 2. A set of Objective Functions, modeled around MRHOF, which take into acco= unt the PS in DIO messages to aid in alternative parent selection. The key here is that the document requires the container DIO DAGMC NSA obje= ct to be a constraint, not a metric. The basic idea is this, have an OF that functions identically to MRHOF, usi= ng any additive metric to calculate the rank of parents in the parent set, = but filter out potential parent in the parent set for use as alternative pa= rent using the DIO DAGMC NSA PS information. So, the only-additive-metrics requirement in MRHOF is not disturbed at all,= since for both preferred parent and alternative parent, the rank calculati= on is the same as MRHOF. The extra constraint is only for filtering out alternative parents. Does this make sense? Maybe we could explain it in a clearer way? In the text we say "In general, these OFs extend MRHOF by specifying how an= AP is selected. The selection of the PP is kept the same as in MRHOF." Maybe we should also note that the rank calculation is not changed for both= PP and AP? The draft reserves different OCPs for different Common Ancestor Policies (S= trict, Medium, Relaxed). I thought that the policies are local in nature an= d different nodes in the same instance could use different policies. If we = use different OCPs, then this is not possible. It is impractical to assume = that certain policies (such as CA Strict policy) can be enforced using OCP. You are right, and we thought about this issue. On the one hand different O= CPs mean exactly one one per RPL Instance, while the same means that you ha= ve no idea what version (Strict, Medium, Relaxed) your neighbors are runnin= g, in case you do care. The policies are indeed local in nature, so in this case I assume the corre= ct thing to do would be to reserve just one OCP, and if nodes want to inclu= de the version of CAOF used that can do it in another DIO field or using an= other mechanism (e.g. statically pre-configured). We will change the draft to only request one OCP. The promiscuous overhearing assumes different security settings. I read t= he refed draft in 6tisch and it explains the assumptions, however, I believ= e it is better we explain the security implication of promiscuous overheari= ng in the security considerations in this draft. I have no problem with this. Avoiding too much duplication of text was my g= eneral guiding principle, so where possible we pointed to other sources. This, incidentally, is also why we opted to use MRHOF as a base upon which = to build the CAOFs, instead of creating a full description. Again, thanks so much Rahul for the comments. We eagerly look forward to your reply. 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Thanks Remous, Georgios for addressing the comments.

Regarding using a single OCP... looks like you agree we just need a single = OCP.
Regarding security considerations .. looks like we agree also.
Regarding extending MRHoF, your argument sounds fine. Can you please post t= he updated text since the details on how to use parent set as constraints m= ay not be as straightforward? It is better to update the text and make the = proposition more clear like you suggested.

Best,
Rahul

From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com>= ;
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 2:31 PM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: Re: [Roll] NSA extn review
 
Hello Rahul,

thank you so much for these comments and sorry for taking so long to a= nswer.

I have some responses inline.

On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 3:27 AM Rah= ul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello, Authors of NSA-extension,

I agreed to review the document in IETF105 and would like to provide my com= ments.

But before going into details, will it be possible to = upload the XML version of the draft to the datatracker? Unlike other drafts= , I do not see the XML form of this draft! Also, it would be much efficient if we sync using G= itHub repo (where I can send PR for you to review).
It contains the up-to-date draft XML file. Feel free to post PRs and w= e will quickly handle them.

 
My primary point of discussion would be the way MRHoF is handled in the dra= ft.
The current text/OF described in the document seems insufficient.
MRHOF makes sense only for metrics that are additive in nature. The CAOFs p= resented in the document are not additive, and the text simply tries to som= ehow fit MRHOF in the context.
So I think maybe this is probably a misunderstanding.
The draft proposes two things:
1. An extension to the DIO DAGMC NSA object to include a subset of the= sorted parent set (PS) of a node.
2. A set of Objective Functions, modeled around MRHOF, which take into= account the PS in DIO messages to aid in alternative parent selection.
The key here is that the document requires the container DIO DA= GMC NSA object to be a constraint, not a metric.
The basic idea is this, have an OF that functions identically to MRHOF= , using any additive metric to calculate the rank of parents in the parent = set, but filter out potential parent in the parent set for use as alternative= parent using the DIO DAGMC NSA PS information.
So, the only-additive-metrics requirement in MRHOF is not disturbed at= all, since for both preferred parent and alternative parent, the rank calc= ulation is the same as MRHOF.
The extra constraint is only for filtering out alternative parents.

Does this make sense?
Maybe we could explain it in a clearer way?

In the text we say "In general, these OFs extend MRHOF by spec= ifying how an AP is selected. The selection of the PP is kept the same as i= n MRHOF."
Maybe we should also note that the rank calculation is not changed for= both PP and AP?
 
The draft reserves different OCPs for different Common Ancestor Policies (S= trict, Medium, Relaxed). I thought that the policies are local in nature an= d different nodes in the same instance could use different policies. If we = use different OCPs, then this is not possible. It is impractical to assume that certain policies (such as C= A Strict policy) can be enforced using OCP.
You are right, and we thought about this issue. On the one hand differ= ent OCPs mean exactly one one per RPL Instance, while the same means that y= ou have no idea what version (Strict, Medium, Relaxed) your neighbors are r= unning, in case you do care.
The policies are indeed local in nature, so in this case I assume the = correct thing to do would be to reserve just one OCP, and if nodes want to = include the version of CAOF used that can do it in another DIO field or usi= ng another mechanism (e.g. statically pre-configured).
We will change the draft to only request one OCP.
 
  The promiscuous overhearing assumes different security settings. I read the= refed draft in 6tisch and it explains the assumptions, however, I believe = it is better we explain the security implication of promiscuous overhearing= in the security considerations in this draft.
I have no problem with this. Avoiding too much duplication of text was= my general guiding principle, so where possible we pointed to other source= s.
This, incidentally, is also why we opted to use MRHOF as a base upon w= hich to build the CAOFs, instead of creating a full description.
 

Again, thanks so much Rahul for the comments.

We eagerly look forward to your reply.

Best,
Aris
--_000_BM1PR01MB2612DAF57338FF2525A0A773A97D0BM1PR01MB2612INDP_-- From nobody Sat Nov 2 12:44:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B9981208E0 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:44:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qd6MHP2D6ze6 for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6215312012D for ; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 12:44:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C272A3818F; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C42571D; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:44:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks cc: Alvaro Retana , Ines Robles In-Reply-To: References: <157252960551.30489.6802281297899357996@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-05.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 19:44:56 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > I just published RUL 05. I'd like to hear if people wish to add stuff / > features, or if we have the expectations covered. > Unless something shows up soon, I'd say that the work on the RUL draft > is complete. It has been stable apart for the changes / text moves done > in relation with pulling usrofrplinfo and npdao from RFC editor queue. Can you explain the change in the title to the WG... > All items appear sorted out now, and this draft is now blocking the > above ones in MISS REF, so I'd see value in moving forward with the RUL > draft soon to WGLC. 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Sat, 2 Nov 2019 16:37:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: <1FD20A4E-D78D-44C3-B6AB-09BC47B1D5A2@cisco.com> References: <1FD20A4E-D78D-44C3-B6AB-09BC47B1D5A2@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] [ROLL] Projected DAO and Extended MOP X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 20:37:28 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain This is how I see the state of things: 1) unaware-leaves + useofrplinfo are synchronized, and this frees up some mind bandwidth, and I confess to have been overwhelmed by this part. 2) we came to the capability problem from rfc8138-turn-on and DAO-projection. 3) I'd really like implement rfc8138-turn-on with the capabilities. I don't like the use of the T-bit here, because we have other stuff that we also need. 4) I don't feel like we have properly concluded about whether or not DAO-projection is a new MOP or not. I have a todo item which is to write sample text on how to express DAO-projection in terms of mopex. I haven't done this yet. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl296QIACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUaOAf+OPHv9z/LCblYDJDxNGx+3L3o8qNiTsxcUqVTb0GQTF05+VJSCAWRO52K /uFQbdDdUIJtRBJYzPXVrqEAlCI36Vo6nfB8r/s8+H9NhpzWIYPuTBQnNPwHsVL/ Yn8aBEbQ0flRfs/eKUi/k+4cwfixfb65C+YAd96XHvoXcNrGbZBHDrtGST1W4alC QgBqqgBxUMGHj4Mhqtt79WOPHmxysxq7+TFsRiOe2AY1rzI5D4vuFQpHD+29neax OB2Kl6ZdibQeLAt/IOFVzcnvc4SSoiR5b5pTVxGJs+S6DFebGRHxvzwYoOBlGNwS qQYydQcbnnzk8p43BrV1PlcNS9yGgQ== =86OD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Sat Nov 2 14:14:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84BDA120043; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 14:14:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <157272928148.5973.11843271041054873532@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:14:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-06.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 21:14:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Routing for RPL Leaves Authors : Pascal Thubert Michael C. Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-06.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-11-02 Abstract: This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unicast and multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are plain hosts and do not participate to RPL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Sun, 03 Nov 2019 00:06:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 09:05:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000030c9d05966bd590" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 07:06:06 -0000 --000000000000030c9d05966bd590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope this needs discussion, please note that the authors need to reply to messages if they really communicating with the WG for adoption. To WG Chair> please advise now and future authors that want adoption to respond otherwise the WG is directed by private/big companies and not by IETF. AB On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:54 AM Abdussalam Baryun < abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> wrote: > I don't think it is the right approach, why using the DODAG configuration > for compression? this compression turn on/off is not for the DODAG > construction but for packets. I think we should separate configurations o= f > the RPL routing standards and of the packet compression standards. We may > add another configuration option per DODAG or another way. > > What do you think? > > AB > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 >> is a >> simple draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to >> enable turning it on in an brown field. There=E2=80=99s no black magic a= nd it would >> be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it. Could we >> consider adoption? All the best Pascal * >> >> >> >> >> * _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> * > > --000000000000030c9d05966bd590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I hope this needs discussion, please note that the au= thors need to reply to messages if they really communicating with the WG fo= r adoption.

To WG Chair> please advise now and = future authors that want adoption to respond=C2=A0otherwise the WG is direc= ted by private/big companies and not by IETF.

AB

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:54 AM Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think it is the right= approach, why using the DODAG configuration for compression? this compress= ion turn on/off is not for the DODAG construction but for packets. I think = we=C2=A0should separate configurations of the RPL routing standards and of= =C2=A0the packet compression standards. We may add another configuration op= tion per DODAG or another way.

What do you think?<= /div>

AB=C2=A0

<= div class=3D"gmail_attr" dir=3D"ltr">On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal= Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear all

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https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple draft= that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.

<= u>

There=E2=80=99s no black magic = and it would be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it= . Could we consider adoption?

=C2=A0

=

All the best

=C2=A0

=

Pascal

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support adoption of turnon 8138. 8138 allows compression of control overhead in data plane. We need to have a mechanism to signal use of 8138. This draft enables that. Regards, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of Ines Robles Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:20 AM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: [Roll] WG Call for Adopting turnon 8138 Hi, The Call for adoption finalizes on 13th November, Please let us know your opinion. Thank you, Ines, Dominique and Peter On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: Dear all https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simpl= e draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable tu= rning it on in an brown field. There=92s no black magic and it would be good to progress it in the backgro= und rather than forget it.. Could we consider adoption? All the best Pascal _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_BMXPR01MB261373DBBE722830EFAF04D5A97C0BMXPR01MB2613INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support adoption of turnon 8138. 
8138 allows compression of control overhead in data plane.
We need to have a mechanism to signal use of 8138. This draft enables that.=

Regards,
Rahul

From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.c= om@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:20 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: [Roll] WG Call for Adopting turnon 8138
 
Hi,

The Call for adoption finalizes on 13th November, 

Please let us know your opinion.

Thank you, 

Ines, Dominique and Peter

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pas= cal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@c= isco.com> wrote:

Dear all

 

https://t= ools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple dra= ft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.=

There=92s no black magic and = it would be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it.. C= ould we consider adoption?

 

All the best

 

Pascal

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The changes are proposals to the group that we have to discuss. I wanted to= publish before cut off, and possibly incorporate changes by tomorrow if we= get comments by then. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/Z-ZZzL-NAVfgJAir35gG6YtCpkU Sibl= ing information We discussed the need to provide not only alternate parents but also links = to siblings to the root. The siblings links would be for computing P2P rout= es that are not along the DODAG, e.g., non storing p-routes. We need meta l= ike step of rank signaled for both parents and siblings. Also, we probably = want that only one of the siblings advertises the link. Following Rabi's su= ggestion, a metrics container can be added. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/b4D20dCabKgFrpxDuxs-1bZJRxQ Quer= ying PDAO We discussed the need for a node to ask for a path with one or more destina= tion and constraints. We discussed the use of a DIS with constraints that w= e could express using RFC 6551 I guess. DIS did not fit as a format and as = a method, and it was missing an ACK. A new PDR / PDR Ack is introduced. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/59IYmAmLoC1eLvS3GO8zYfTG7c0 Stit= ching PDAO segments=20 It takes a collection of segments to build a 6TiSCH Track. We need to signa= l that segments that we install separately belong to a same Track. There's = a bunck of new text on that, and a TrackID is introduced. How to indicate a= Track in the packet is also added, conforming the 6TiSCH architecture. https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/KkcJYTjpMrOFvLbPhbLME0o1E1w Comp= ressing the PDAO natively Basically use RFC 8138 to compress the new options (VIO, SRVIO and Sibling)= . There we go, fire at will! Pascal -----Original Message----- From: Roll On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: dimanche 3 novembre 2019 15:09 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF. Title : Root initiated routing state in RPL Authors : Pascal Thubert Rahul Arvind Jadhav Matthew Gillmore Filename : draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07.txt Pages : 27 Date : 2019-11-03 Abstract: This document proposes a protocol extension to RPL that enables to install a limited amount of centrally-computed routes in a RPL graph, enabling loose source routing down a non-storing mode DODAG, or transversal routes inside the DODAG. As opposed to the classical route injection in RPL that are injected by the end devices, this draft enables the Root of the DODAG to projects the routes that are needed on the nodes where they should be installed. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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2019 06:54:22 -0000 --000000000000eb8fc605967fc881 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear authors I reviewed the changes (only) and have some queries and suggestions for the PDR and Sibling Information Option - P-DAO Request Message - [Suggestion] When a LN/LR requests for TE path using PDR it can mention the Network Metric that PCE need to consider while computing the P-Route. Like A node can request for a TE path based of Hop Count or based on Minimum latency or Minimum EXT or Maximum Battery Life. I think this will provide more flexibility for application. - [Query] Can PCE be a separate Physical Node Other than BR? If Yes how LR/LN will learn about it and send the PDR to it? - Sibling Information Option (SIO) - [Query] If PCE is a separate physical entity how the Sibling informations will be shared with it, as DAO messages will always terminate at BR? - [Query] If the metric of P-Route need to be different from the Network Metric used for the global mesh network, how a LN/LR is going to learn about that so that it can send the correct metric information in SIO? - [Issue] Description of Sibling Address filed of SIO is exact copy of VIA address filed in VIO (2 to 16 bytes, a compressed IPv6 Address. a *Via Address indicates* the next hop towards the destination(s).....). This need to be changed. Thanks Rabi On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 7:38 PM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > WG of the IETF. > > Title : Root initiated routing state in RPL > Authors : Pascal Thubert > Rahul Arvind Jadhav > Matthew Gillmore > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07.txt > Pages : 27 > Date : 2019-11-03 > > Abstract: > This document proposes a protocol extension to RPL that enables to > install a limited amount of centrally-computed routes in a RPL graph, > enabling loose source routing down a non-storing mode DODAG, or > transversal routes inside the DODAG. As opposed to the classical > route injection in RPL that are injected by the end devices, this > draft enables the Root of the DODAG to projects the routes that are > needed on the nodes where they should be installed. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000eb8fc605967fc881 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear authors

I reviewed the changes (only) and= have some queries and suggestions for the PDR and Sibling Information Opti= on

  • P-DAO Request Message
    • [Suggestion]= When a LN/LR requests for TE path using PDR=C2=A0 it can mention the Netwo= rk Metric that PCE need to consider while computing the P-Route. Like A nod= e can request for a TE path based of Hop Count or based on Minimum latency = or Minimum EXT or Maximum Battery Life. I think this will provide more flex= ibility for application.
    • [Query] Can PCE be a separate Physical Nod= e Other than BR? If Yes how LR/LN will learn about it and send the PDR to i= t?
  • Sibling Information Option (SIO)
    • [Query] If PCE= is a separate physical entity=C2=A0how the Sibling informations will be sh= ared with it, as DAO messages will always terminate at BR?
    • [Query] = If the metric of P-Route need to be different from the Network Metric used = for the global mesh network, how a LN/LR is going to learn about that so th= at it can send the correct metric information in SIO?
    • [Issue] Descr= iption of=C2=A0Sibling Address filed of SIO is exact copy of VIA address fi= led in VIO (2 to 16 bytes, a compressed IPv6 Address. a Via Address indicates the next hop towards the destination(s).....). This = need to be changed.

Thanks
Rabi

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 7:38 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Root initiated routing state in RPL
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Pasc= al Thubert
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rahul Arvind Jadhav
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Matthew Gillmore
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-dao-projection-07.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 27
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-11-03

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document proposes a protocol extension to RPL that enable= s to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0install a limited amount of centrally-computed routes in a RPL= graph,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enabling loose source routing down a non-storing mode DODAG, o= r
=C2=A0 =C2=A0transversal routes inside the DODAG.=C2=A0 As opposed to the c= lassical
=C2=A0 =C2=A0route injection in RPL that are injected by the end devices, t= his
=C2=A0 =C2=A0draft enables the Root of the DODAG to projects the routes tha= t are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0needed on the nodes where they should be installed.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-ietf-roll-dao-projection/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07

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--000000000000eb8fc605967fc881-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 00:05:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C98E1200B1 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 00:05:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yzJaZDGEr2MG for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 00:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-x32a.google.com (mail-ot1-x32a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0278F12006D for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 00:05:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-x32a.google.com with SMTP id u4so2670160otq.10 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 00:05:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=CUkRpEidi3r6lG9anA6Bju9QrISOzQ7nyOyGIeRECMA=; b=chy1N+LqbZCQXZT3PHHBhbR+QoaZbC/Jbbuw71qhEQ7aS2Aa1TsRrg8sy0Kigrh2Tx uoWeMttChRe+/doWeyIk/KhkGREmzbt2nZvLEER32rpR4XKrPJ8z5qEHuiEzI3xEzwcw j0YjYTHJAQ2L3qxZxXuitjkeAjWstuafqsi7Vi8JWAkaZ3uGEywQHv1l1S8HgTBS/M5+ jiEZNG+3KqqktGzmjwEj2y07TRyJvlu8fuSlcMNDYPjhdKnw4IHVrkzApvKvj1ldQDWg PCk48cuQP94GXlyESwKM8rDkc5blbcWpJvxp+nMlyTl4nUSVWyNwC8CTIQbShoxhDSyF 8Y0A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=CUkRpEidi3r6lG9anA6Bju9QrISOzQ7nyOyGIeRECMA=; b=VcRIcsxHEnZd5bZOyyF0ZanVTONWb+quBbKOqzWemGcRazVTBVTBu7BGYyJWdNNLYk LaODIQYxA/E3x5rjhvkcdyio5I9uh7Ip3JYV8epSJhycAYC9li2p6d1h1FAZZoZrShMi giNaREYeXDQWf+ZVmS8ovfER1Fl1g6kx3G8FiBFYER7WD41aXZlwqg6EU13PiUD8usg4 THRX5Mja0WyPl4gEEVPNpF4+Z0c4vj0t35Mz756zwMI4EXzUxoWNlHCqDU4xdGlyDghS VCGqUZDPhBxV3ZsnLO/yhYIGphHg7YOAXZopJMwSY6u5tbMpDSBn3rg2awvNFN/5VLrg YJ7A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUy1+CB2ajkP2dKrnXdrVBnlvzzWDEXRpOryP5EWwDWxEOFfT8z e7FBgjawv0cdm6KPI6wIx+izZM8TaVG4XPIaULGceA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwPH1vvN7mmDHKaJ9jBD7LPSjsnrkLwLdidken10u0zIKnwegC5JAi6pmn1DjJ1X0T8XiDe0J6WAbffrOjeKWs= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7dda:: with SMTP id k26mr16855862otn.223.1572854705224; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 00:05:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:04:50 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Cc: Ines Robles , Michael Richardson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fcff71059680c5f2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:05:08 -0000 --000000000000fcff71059680c5f2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > I do not think we concluded on this and we need to publish tomorrow. > > > > * On the one hand, we need to add a definition of a leaf in useofrpl > information as a node that is attached to a RPL DODAG and as an IPv6 node > is expected to handle consumed RH and HbH so it can receive a packet that > went though the RPL domain with consumed RPL artifacts. That is needed, w= e > are missing the definition of a leaf today. On the other hand, we need = to > decide if the definition of a RUL is 1) that in the useofrplinfo draft as > it stands today in the repo > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/master/roll-useofr= plinfo.txt > > (a leaf that does not speak RPL) or 2) the one in the RUL draft today (ad= ds > support to talk to the router using RFC 8505). If we leave as is I=E2=80= =99ll > update the RUL draft to say that the RUM draft plays with RUL that suppor= ts > that additional stuff. 1. Is simple, no reference to RUL draft is neede= d, > can go to RFC quickly2. Makes the RUl draft a normative reference, > guarantees to keep the 2 specs homogeneous I=E2=80=99m OK either way, c= utoff is > tomorrow. Any clue?* > I prefer (1), but me too, I'm OK either way, Thanks AB > > > > > > > * From: Ines Robles > Sent: vendredi 25 octobre 2019 13:18 To= : > roll > Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >; Michael Richardson > > Subject: Making RUL dra= ft > normative reference in useofrplinfo Dear all, Discussing with Pascal > and Michael, we would like to know if you think that unaware-leaves draft > should be normative in useofrplinfo. Please find below some discussion > points: The RUL draft introduces a new beast to the RPL family, a > =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C but can now attach to= the network and > benefit from special forwarding rules, provided that it implements the RU= L > draft and some dependencies listed therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to th= e > WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a risk if it is published too soon that it = is not > 100% aligned. The misalignment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is= a > RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should we c= arry additional > meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the dependencies. The > behavior for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info world for the is correct but it cou= ld > apply to a slightly wider definition of a RUL than what the RUL draft > considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even > RFC 8505, but 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein)= , > could also attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new se= t > of things, like handles the sequence counter and stuff, and there could = be > tons of variations of that guy e.g., whether that guy could provide an > =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware RPLinstanceID though it does not speak= RFC 6550. The > description of the operation of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for > that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does > not (yet) belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because > the original 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that= ? > To maximize the coverage of Use-Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include > that guy in the generic =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not= too interested in > defining all the variations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less t= o give a name to > all the variations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on > their behalf based on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I= =E2=80=99m > happy enough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope th= at > is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they are the only on= es > for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus the proposal to > make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few months with a > missref. Changes were done in the RUL draft to ensure that the operatio= n > described for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info is compatible with the new beast > that the RUL draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL > considered by Use-Of-RPL-Info. Because when the doc became WG doc a RUL w= as > any sort of external route. the doc made it more specific. The price to p= ay > was to introduce a different behavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexte= rnal > destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for other =E2=80=9Cexterna= l destinations=E2=80=9D > indicating e.g., the need to route via the parent and thus to use > Non-Storing signaling. Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft an= d > placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the > forwarding behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be mad= e > on the external destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not > necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text also fills a gap in > Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a new section. the text > was moved about routing from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is n= ot > published yet, please find that text inline below: =E2=80=9C 4.1. Upd= ates to > RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing Mode Signaling. > Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to > indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external > targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that has > been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route to a > prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. Being > outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an external targe= t > cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and cannot be expected > to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. This means that the RPL > artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP encapsulation that is > removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining compression should be expand= ed > by the 6LR before it forwards a packet outside the RPL domain. This > specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external targets > are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a Storing-Mode > network. This way, all packets to an external target reach the Root tha= t > can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of the address of the 6L= R > that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case of an external target, the > Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP encapsulation for packets that it > generates or that are originated within the RPL domain as if the packet= s > were coming from the Internet. A RUL is a special case of external > target when the target is actually a host and it is known to support a > consumed Routing Header and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by > [RFC8200]. The target may have been learned through as a host route or > may have been registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP > encapsulation MAY be avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL i= s > known to process the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without > decapsulation. In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it i= s > beneficial that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is no= t > assumed by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a > packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware > that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. A node that is reachabl= e > over an external route is not expected to support [RFC8138]. Whether a > decapsulation took place or not and even when the 6LR is delivering the > packet to a RUL, the 6LR that injected an external route MUST uncompres= s > the packet before forwarding over that external route. =E2=80=9C So w= here are > we? We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for > which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the > ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavio= r, > or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an > unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which > there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, > though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of > =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy= =E2=80=9D should be handled as a > RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info. = Thus the proposal > to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info = is for a node that > supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to > define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guardia= n > role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the RUL draft till > the last minute because it is not published too hastly. Looking forward > to your reactions, Ines, Pascal and Michael. * > > > > > * _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > * --000000000000fcff71059680c5f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal= Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisc= o.com> wrote:

I do not think we concluded on = this and we need to publish tomorrow.

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On the one hand, we need to add= a definition of a leaf in useofrpl information as a node that is attached = to a RPL DODAG and as an IPv6 node is expected to handle consumed RH and Hb= H so it can receive a packet that went though the RPL domain with consumed R= PL artifacts. That is needed, we are missing the definition of a leaf today= .

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On the other hand, we need to d= ecide if the definition of a RUL is 1) that in the useofrplinfo draft as it= stands today in the repo https://raw.githubusercontent.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/master/roll-useofrpl= info.txt (a leaf that does not speak RPL) or 2) the one in the RUL draf= t today (adds support to talk to the router using RFC 8505). If we leave as= is I=E2=80=99ll update the RUL draft to say that the RUM draft plays with RUL that supports that additional stuff.=

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  1. Is simple, no reference to RUL draft is neede= d, can go to RFC quickly
  2. Makes the RUl draft a normative reference, guarantees to keep th= e 2 specs homogeneous

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I=E2=80=99m OK either way, cuto= ff is tomorrow. Any clue?


I= prefer (1), but me too, I'm OK either way,

Th= anks
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From: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Sent: vendredi 25 octobre 2019 13:18
To: roll <roll= @ietf.org>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelm= an.ca>
Subject: Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo<= /u>

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Dear all,

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Discussing with Pascal and Michael, we would like to= know if you think that unaware-leaves draft should be normative in useofrp= linfo.

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Please find below some discussion points:=C2=A0

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The RUL draft introduces a new = beast to the RPL family, a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80= =9C but can now attach to the network and benefit from special forwarding rules, provided that it implements the RUL draft and some dependencies lis= ted therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to the WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a= risk if it is published too soon that it is not 100% aligned. The misalign= ment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is a RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should = we carry additional meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the depend= encies.

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The behavior for a RUL in Use-O= f-RPL-Info world for the is correct but it could apply to a slightly wider = definition of a RUL than what the RUL draft considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even RFC 8505, b= ut 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein), could also = attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new set of things, = like handles the sequence counter and =C2=A0stuff, and there could be tons of variations of that guy e.g., = =C2=A0whether that guy could provide an =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware = RPLinstanceID though it does not speak RFC 6550. The description of the ope= ration of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does not (yet)= belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because the origina= l 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that?

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To maximize the coverage of Use= -Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include that guy in the generic =E2=80=9CRU= L=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not too interested in defining all the v= ariations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less to give a name to all the vari= ations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on their behalf bas= ed on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I=E2=80=99m happy e= nough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope that is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they are= the only ones for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus the= proposal to make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few months= with a missref.

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Changes were done in the RUL dr= aft to ensure that the operation described for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info is = compatible with the new beast that the RUL draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by Use-Of-RPL-Info. Be= cause when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of external route. the = doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to introduce a different be= havior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for other =E2=80=9Cexternal= destinations=E2=80=9D indicating e.g., the need to route via the parent an= d thus to use Non-Storing signaling.

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Then that text was stripped off= the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really t= ext on the forwarding behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need to encap= s to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new text= also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a=C2=A0= new section. the=C2=A0 text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not published yet,= please find that text inline below:

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4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External R= outes with Non-Storing

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Mode Signaling.

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Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the &#= 39;E' flag that is set to

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indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO = redistributes external

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targets into the RPL network. An external Tar= get is a Target that

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has been learned through an alternate protoco= l, for instance a route

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to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain bu= t reachable via a 6LR.

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Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that = is reached via an

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external target cannot be guaranteed to ignor= e the RPL artifacts and

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cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] c= ompression correctly.

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This means that the RPL artifacts should be c= ontained in an IP-in-IP

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encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and= that any remaining

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compression should be expanded by the 6LR bef= ore it forwards a packet

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outside the RPL domain.

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This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to R= ECOMMEND that external

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targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode= signaling even in a

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Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets t= o an external target

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reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and= the Root is informed of

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the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP= -in-IP tunnel.=C2=A0In case

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of an external target, the Root SHOULD use th= e same IP-in-IP

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encapsulation for packets that it generates o= r that are originated

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within the RPL domain as if the packets were = coming from the

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Internet.

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A RUL is a special case of external target wh= en the target is

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actually a host and it is known to support a = consumed Routing Header

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and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [= RFC8200].=C2=A0The target

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may have been learned through as a host route= or may have been

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registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-= IP encapsulation MAY be

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avoided for Root to RUL communication if the = RUL is known to process

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the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR wi= thout decapsulation.

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In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a = 6LN, it is beneficial

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that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP,= but that is not assumed

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by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root t= hat encapsulates a

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packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a paren= t 6LR unless it is aware

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that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation.=

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A node that is reachable over an external rou= te is not expected to

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support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation to= ok place or not and

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even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to= a RUL, the 6LR that

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injected an external route MUST uncompress th= e packet before

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forwarding over that external route.

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So where are we?

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We need to agree on what we pla= ce in the definition of a RUL for which=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a spe= cial behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new= different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the n= odes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operat= ion? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one v= ersion of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9C= that guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal des= tination=E2=80=9D=C2=A0in=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info.

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Thus the proposal to that that = the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node t= hat supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guard= ian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the RUL draft ti= ll the last minute because it is not published too hastly.=

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Looking forward to your reactio= ns,

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Ines, Pascal and Michael.

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:52:04 -0000 --00000000000011294e0596867567 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you Pascal for adding the terminology clarification. Then, following my understanding when you say a "RPL Leaf" it is a node that do not necessarily implement RPL. It is just a node that is attached to the DODAG (with the features that you mentioned below). If I refer to a RPL Leaf that implements RPL I should call it, RPL-aware-leaf, otherwise is a RPL-unaware-leaf. Is this correct? Thanks, Ines. On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:24 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Well noted though a technical reason has more weight than a preference. > > > > Editors: I made a pull request to define the Leaf. > > > > The draft already has text like > > > > =E2=80=9C > > Further > details about > > this are mentioned in [I-D.thubert-roll-unaware-leaves], which > > specifies RPL routing for a 6LN acting as a plain host and not being > > aware of RPL. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > This is very close to make the RUL draft a normative ref anyway. We need > to change the name to draft-ietf by the way. > > > > Is we ship UseOfRPLinfo without the Normative ref to the RUL draft, this > makes it the draft the place where the term RUL is defined. > > > > I need slight changes to the RUL draft to adapt to that and I=E2=80=99d l= ike to be > done either before cutoff so we can present to the group at IETF 106. > > > > Please let me know! > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Abdussalam Baryun > *Sent:* lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:05 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Cc:* Michael Richardson ; Ines Robles < > mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinf= o > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > I do not think we concluded on this and we need to publish tomorrow. > > > > *On the one hand, we need to add a definition of a leaf in useofrpl > information as a node that is attached to a RPL DODAG and as an IPv6 node > is expected to handle consumed RH and HbH so it can receive a packet that > went though the RPL domain with consumed RPL artifacts. That is needed, w= e > are missing the definition of a leaf today..* > > > > *On the other hand, we need to decide if the definition of a RUL is 1) > that in the useofrplinfo draft as it stands today in the repo > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/master/roll-useofr= plinfo.txt > > (a leaf that does not speak RPL) or 2) the one in the RUL draft today (ad= ds > support to talk to the router using RFC 8505). If we leave as is I=E2=80= =99ll > update the RUL draft to say that the RUM draft plays with RUL that suppor= ts > that additional stuff. * > > > > 1. *Is simple, no reference to RUL draft is needed, can go to RFC > quickly* > 2. *Makes the RUl draft a normative reference, guarantees to keep the > 2 specs homogeneous* > > > > *I=E2=80=99m OK either way, cutoff is tomorrow. Any clue?* > > > > I prefer (1), but me too, I'm OK either way, > > > > Thanks > > AB > > > > > > > > > > *From:* > > > > * Ines Robles > Sent: vendredi 25 octobre 2019 13:18 To= : > roll > Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >; Michael Richardson > > Subject: Making RUL dra= ft > normative reference in useofrplinfo* > > > > *Dear all,* > > > > *Discussing with Pascal and Michael, we would like to know if you think > that unaware-leaves draft should be normative in useofrplinfo.* > > > > *Please find below some discussion points: * > > > > *The RUL draft introduces a new beast to the RPL family, a > =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C but can now attach to= the network and > benefit from special forwarding rules, provided that it implements the RU= L > draft and some dependencies listed therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to th= e > WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a risk if it is published too soon that it = is not > 100% aligned. The misalignment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is= a > RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should we c= arry additional > meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the dependencies.* > > > > *The behavior for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info world for the is correct but i= t > could apply to a slightly wider definition of a RUL than what the RUL dra= ft > considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even > RFC 8505, but 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein)= , > could also attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new se= t > of things, like handles the sequence counter and stuff, and there could = be > tons of variations of that guy e.g., whether that guy could provide an > =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware RPLinstanceID though it does not speak= RFC 6550. The > description of the operation of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for > that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does > not (yet) belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because > the original 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that= ?* > > > > *To maximize the coverage of Use-Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include > that guy in the generic =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not= too interested in > defining all the variations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less t= o give a name to > all the variations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on > their behalf based on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I= =E2=80=99m > happy enough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope th= at > is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they are the only on= es > for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus the proposal to > make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few months with a > missref.* > > > > *Changes were done in the RUL draft to ensure that the operation describe= d > for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info is compatible with the new beast that the RU= L > draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by > Use-Of-RPL-Info. Because when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of > external route. the doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to > introduce a different behavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal > destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for other =E2=80=9Cexterna= l destinations=E2=80=9D > indicating e.g., the need to route via the parent and thus to use > Non-Storing signaling.* > > > > *Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the > Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, > which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external > destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily need= ed > for a RUL). That new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is > completely localized in a new section. the text was moved about routing > from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please > find that text inline below:* > > > > *=E2=80=9C* > > > > 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing > > > > Mode Signaling. > > > > > > Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to > > > > indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external > > > > targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that > > > > has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route > > > > to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. > > > > Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an > > > > external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and > > > > cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. > > > > This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining > > > > compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet > > > > outside the RPL domain. > > > > > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a > > > > Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target > > > > reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of > > > > the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case > > > > of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated > > > > within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the > > > > Internet. > > > > > > A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is > > > > actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header > > > > and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200]. The target > > > > may have been learned through as a host route or may have been > > > > registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be > > > > avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process > > > > the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. > > > > > > In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial > > > > that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed > > > > by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a > > > > packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware > > > > that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. > > > > > > A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to > > > > support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and > > > > even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that > > > > injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before > > > > forwarding over that external route. > > *=E2=80=9C* > > > > *So where are we?* > > > > *We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for > which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the > ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavio= r, > or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an > unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which > there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, > though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of > =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy= =E2=80=9D should be handled as a > RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info.* > > > > *Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D = in > Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the R= UL > draft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so= , > MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is > consistent with the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not > published too hastly.* > > > > *Looking forward to your reactions,* > > > > *Ines, Pascal and Michael.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *_______________________________________________ Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > * > > --00000000000011294e0596867567 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Pascal for adding the terminology clarification.=

Then, following my understanding when you say a "R= PL Leaf" it is a node that do not necessarily=C2=A0implement RPL. It i= s just a node that is attached to the DODAG (with the features that you men= tioned below).=C2=A0
If I refer to a RPL Leaf that implements RPL= I should call it, RPL-aware-leaf, otherwise is a RPL-unaware-leaf. Is this= correct?

Thanks,
Ines.

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Mon, Nov= 4, 2019 at 12:24 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Well noted though a technical r= eason has more weight than a preference.

=C2=A0

Editors: I made a pull request = to define the Leaf.

=C2=A0

The draft already has text like=

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=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Further details about<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 this are mentioned= in [I-D.thubert-roll-unaware-leaves], which

=C2=A0=C2=A0 specifies RPL rout= ing for a 6LN acting as a plain host and not being

=C2=A0=C2=A0 aware of RPL.

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0

This is very close to make the = RUL draft a normative ref anyway. We need to change the name to draft-ietf = by the way.

=C2=A0

Is we ship UseOfRPLinfo without= the Normative ref to the RUL draft, this makes it the draft the place wher= e the term RUL is defined.

=C2=A0

I need slight changes to the RU= L draft to adapt to that and I=E2=80=99d like to be done either before cuto= ff so we can present to the group at IETF 106.

=C2=A0

Please let me know!

=C2=A0

Pascal

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From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun
Sent: lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:05
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Ines Robles <mariainesroble= s@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthub= ert) <pthubert@c= isco.com> wrote:

I do not think we concluded on = this and we need to publish tomorrow.

=C2=A0<= /u>

On the one hand, we need to = add a definition of a leaf in useofrpl information as a node that is attach= ed to a RPL DODAG and as an IPv6 node is expected to handle consumed RH and HbH so it can receive a packet that went though the= RPL domain with consumed RPL artifacts. That is needed, we are missing the= definition of a leaf today..

=C2=A0<= /u>

On the other hand, we need t= o decide if the definition of a RUL is 1) that in the useofrplinfo draft as= it stands today in the repo https://raw.githubusercontent.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/master/roll-useofrpl= info.txt (a leaf that does not speak RPL) or 2) the one in the RUL draf= t today (adds support to talk to the router using RFC 8505). If we leave as= is I=E2=80=99ll update the RUL draft to say that the RUM draft plays with RUL that supports that additional stuff.=

=C2=A0<= /u>

  1. Is simple, no reference to RUL draft is needed, can= go to RFC quickly
  2. Makes the RUl draft a normative reference, guarante= es to keep the 2 specs homogeneous

=C2=A0<= /u>

I=E2=80=99m OK either way, c= utoff is tomorrow. Any clue?

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I prefer (1), but me too, I'm OK either way,<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks

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=C2=A0<= /u>

From: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Sent: vendredi 25 octobre 2019 13:18
To: roll <roll= @ietf.org>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelm= an.ca>
Subject: Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo=

=C2=A0

Dear all,

=C2=A0

Discussing with Pascal and Michael, we would like= to know if you think that unaware-leaves draft should be normative in useo= frplinfo.

=C2=A0

Please find below some discussion points:=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The RUL draft introduces a n= ew beast to the RPL family, a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2= =80=9C but can now attach to the network and benefit from special forwardin= g rules, provided that it implements the RUL draft and some dependencies lis= ted therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to the WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a= risk if it is published too soon that it is not 100% aligned. The misalign= ment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is a RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should = we carry additional meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the depend= encies.

=C2=A0<= /u>

The behavior for a RUL in Us= e-Of-RPL-Info world for the is correct but it could apply to a slightly wid= er definition of a RUL than what the RUL draft considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even RFC 8505, b= ut 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein), could also = attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new set of things, = like handles the sequence counter and =C2=A0stuff, and there could be tons of variations of that guy e.g., = =C2=A0whether that guy could provide an =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware = RPLinstanceID though it does not speak RFC 6550. The description of the ope= ration of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does not (yet)= belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because the origina= l 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that?

=C2=A0<= /u>

To maximize the coverage of = Use-Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include that guy in the generic =E2=80= =9CRUL=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not too interested in defining all = the variations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less to give a name to a= ll the variations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on their= behalf based on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I=E2=80= =99m happy enough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope that is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they= are the only ones for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus= the proposal to make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few mo= nths with a missref.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Changes were done in the RUL= draft to ensure that the operation described for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info = is compatible with the new beast that the RUL draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by Use-Of-R= PL-Info. Because when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of external = route. the doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to introduce a d= ifferent behavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for= other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D indicating e.g., the need to= route via the parent and thus to use Non-Storing signaling.<= u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

Then that text was stripped = off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was reall= y text on the forwarding behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need to en= caps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new t= ext also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a=C2= =A0 new section. the=C2=A0 text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not publishe= d yet, please find that text inline below:

=C2=A0<= /u>

=E2=80=9C

=C2= =A0

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External R= outes with Non-Storing

=C2=A0

Mode Signaling.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the &#= 39;E' flag that is set to

=C2=A0

indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO = redistributes external

=C2=A0

targets into the RPL network. An external Tar= get is a Target that

=C2=A0

has been learned through an alternate protoco= l, for instance a route

=C2=A0

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain bu= t reachable via a 6LR.

=C2=A0

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that = is reached via an

=C2=A0

external target cannot be guaranteed to ignor= e the RPL artifacts and

=C2=A0

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] c= ompression correctly.

=C2=A0

This means that the RPL artifacts should be c= ontained in an IP-in-IP

=C2=A0

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and= that any remaining

=C2=A0

compression should be expanded by the 6LR bef= ore it forwards a packet

=C2=A0

outside the RPL domain.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to R= ECOMMEND that external

=C2=A0

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode= signaling even in a

=C2=A0

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets t= o an external target

=C2=A0

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and= the Root is informed of

=C2=A0

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP= -in-IP tunnel.=C2=A0In case

=C2=A0

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use th= e same IP-in-IP

=C2=A0

encapsulation for packets that it generates o= r that are originated

=C2=A0

within the RPL domain as if the packets were = coming from the

=C2=A0

Internet.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A RUL is a special case of external target wh= en the target is

=C2=A0

actually a host and it is known to support a = consumed Routing Header

=C2=A0

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [= RFC8200].=C2=A0The target

=C2=A0

may have been learned through as a host route= or may have been

=C2=A0

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-= IP encapsulation MAY be

=C2=A0

avoided for Root to RUL communication if the = RUL is known to process

=C2=A0

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR wi= thout decapsulation.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a = 6LN, it is beneficial

=C2=A0

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP,= but that is not assumed

=C2=A0

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root t= hat encapsulates a

=C2=A0

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a paren= t 6LR unless it is aware

=C2=A0

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation.=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A node that is reachable over an external rou= te is not expected to

=C2=A0

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation to= ok place or not and

=C2=A0

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to= a RUL, the 6LR that

=C2=A0

injected an external route MUST uncompress th= e packet before

=C2=A0

forwarding over that external route.

=E2=80=9C

=C2=A0<= /u>

So where are we?

=C2=A0<= /u>

We need to agree on what we = place in the definition of a RUL for which=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a = special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new= different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the n= odes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operat= ion? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one v= ersion of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9C= that guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal des= tination=E2=80=9D=C2=A0in=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thus the proposal to that th= at the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a nod= e that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guard= ian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the RUL draft ti= ll the last minute because it is not published too hastly.=

=C2=A0

Looking forward to your reac= tions,

=C2=A0

Ines, Pascal and Michael.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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Projected Routes may be installed in either Storing and Non-Storing Modes Instances of the classical RPL operation, resulting in potentially hybrid situations where the mode of some Projected Routes is different from that of the other routes in the RPL Instance. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-08 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-08 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-08 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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allows compression of control overhead in data plane. > We need to have a mechanism to signal use of 8138. This draft enables tha= t. > That mechanism is not done right, I hope the author discusses with us, AB > > Regards, > Rahul > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roll on behalf of Ines Robles > > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:20 AM > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Subject:* [Roll] WG Call for Adopting turnon 8138 > > Hi, > > The Call for adoption finalizes on 13th November, > > Please let us know your opinion. > > Thank you, > > Ines, Dominique and Peter > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > Dear all > > * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 > is a > simple draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to > enable turning it on in an brown field. There=E2=80=99s no black magic an= d it would > be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it.. Could we > consider adoption? All the best Pascal * > > > > > * _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > * > > > > > > * _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > * --000000000000841d3105968962f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:06 PM Rahul = Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com&g= t; wrote:
I support adoption of turnon 8138.=C2=A0
8138 allows compression of control overhead in data plane.
We need to have a mechanism to signal use of 8138. This draft enables that.=

That mechanism is not done rig= ht,=C2=A0I hope the author discusses with us,

AB= =C2=A0

Regards,
Rahul

From= : Roll <r= oll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ines Robles <mariainesrobles= =3D40g= ooglemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2019 10:20 AM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] WG Call for Adopting turnon 8138
=C2=A0
Hi,

The Call for adoption finalizes on 13th November,=C2=A0

Please let us know your opinion.

Thank you,=C2=A0

Ines, Dominique and Peter

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = <pthubert@cisco.= com> wrote:

Dear all

=C2=A0

https://tools.ietf.org/html/dr= aft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple draft that completes RFC= 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.=

There=E2=80=99s no black magic and it would be good= to progress it in the background rather than forget it.. Could we consider= adoption?

=C2=A0

All the best

=C2=A0

Pascal

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--000000000000841d3105968962f0-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 10:23:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41165120B95; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:23:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <157289178718.13855.2821813726424809870@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 10:23:07 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:23:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Using RPL Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Authors : Maria Ines Robles Michael C. Richardson Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32.txt Pages : 56 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPL Option Type), RFC6554 (Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required in data plane. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. This document updates RFC6553 adding a change to the RPL Option Type. Additionally, this document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configuration Option to indicate about this change and updates RFC8138 as well to consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompressed. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please review and comments. Much appreciated, The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-32 Ines. On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 6:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Yes, Ines > > > > RPL awareness and the position of leaf are now orthogonal properties. A > RAL has both. > > > > Can you please publish? I think cutoff is on us now. > > > > All the best > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Ines Robles > *Sent:* lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:51 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Cc:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks ; Michael > Richardson > *Subject:* Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinf= o > > > > Thank you Pascal for adding the terminology clarification. > > > > Then, following my understanding when you say a "RPL Leaf" it is a node > that do not necessarily implement RPL. It is just a node that is attached > to the DODAG (with the features that you mentioned below). > > If I refer to a RPL Leaf that implements RPL I should call it, > RPL-aware-leaf, otherwise is a RPL-unaware-leaf. Is this correct? > > > > Thanks, > > Ines. > > > > On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:24 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > Well noted though a technical reason has more weight than a preference. > > > > Editors: I made a pull request to define the Leaf. > > > > The draft already has text like > > > > =E2=80=9C > > Further > details about > > this are mentioned in [I-D.thubert-roll-unaware-leaves], which > > specifies RPL routing for a 6LN acting as a plain host and not being > > aware of RPL. > > =E2=80=9C > > > > This is very close to make the RUL draft a normative ref anyway. We need > to change the name to draft-ietf by the way. > > > > Is we ship UseOfRPLinfo without the Normative ref to the RUL draft, this > makes it the draft the place where the term RUL is defined. > > > > I need slight changes to the RUL draft to adapt to that and I=E2=80=99d l= ike to be > done either before cutoff so we can present to the group at IETF 106. > > > > Please let me know! > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Abdussalam Baryun > *Sent:* lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:05 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Cc:* Michael Richardson ; Ines Robles < > mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinf= o > > > > > > > > On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > I do not think we concluded on this and we need to publish tomorrow. > > > > *On the one hand, we need to add a definition of a leaf in useofrpl > information as a node that is attached to a RPL DODAG and as an IPv6 node > is expected to handle consumed RH and HbH so it can receive a packet that > went though the RPL domain with consumed RPL artifacts. That is needed, w= e > are missing the definition of a leaf today..* > > > > *On the other hand, we need to decide if the definition of a RUL is 1) > that in the useofrplinfo draft as it stands today in the repo > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/master/roll-useofr= plinfo.txt > > (a leaf that does not speak RPL) or 2) the one in the RUL draft today (ad= ds > support to talk to the router using RFC 8505). If we leave as is I=E2=80= =99ll > update the RUL draft to say that the RUM draft plays with RUL that suppor= ts > that additional stuff. * > > > > 1. *Is simple, no reference to RUL draft is needed, can go to RFC > quickly* > 2. *Makes the RUl draft a normative reference, guarantees to keep the > 2 specs homogeneous* > > > > *I=E2=80=99m OK either way, cutoff is tomorrow. Any clue?* > > > > I prefer (1), but me too, I'm OK either way, > > > > Thanks > > AB > > > > > > > > > > *From:* > > > > * Ines Robles > Sent: vendredi 25 octobre 2019 13:18 To= : > roll > Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >; Michael Richardson > > Subject: Making RUL dra= ft > normative reference in useofrplinfo* > > > > *Dear all,* > > > > *Discussing with Pascal and Michael, we would like to know if you think > that unaware-leaves draft should be normative in useofrplinfo.* > > > > *Please find below some discussion points: * > > > > *The RUL draft introduces a new beast to the RPL family, a > =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C but can now attach to= the network and > benefit from special forwarding rules, provided that it implements the RU= L > draft and some dependencies listed therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to th= e > WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a risk if it is published too soon that it = is not > 100% aligned. The misalignment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is= a > RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should we c= arry additional > meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the dependencies.* > > > > *The behavior for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info world for the is correct but i= t > could apply to a slightly wider definition of a RUL than what the RUL dra= ft > considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even > RFC 8505, but 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein)= , > could also attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new se= t > of things, like handles the sequence counter and stuff, and there could = be > tons of variations of that guy e.g., whether that guy could provide an > =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware RPLinstanceID though it does not speak= RFC 6550. The > description of the operation of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for > that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does > not (yet) belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because > the original 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that= ?* > > > > *To maximize the coverage of Use-Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include > that guy in the generic =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not= too interested in > defining all the variations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less t= o give a name to > all the variations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on > their behalf based on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I= =E2=80=99m > happy enough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope th= at > is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they are the only on= es > for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus the proposal to > make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few months with a > missref.* > > > > *Changes were done in the RUL draft to ensure that the operation describe= d > for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info is compatible with the new beast that the RU= L > draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by > Use-Of-RPL-Info. Because when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of > external route. the doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to > introduce a different behavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal > destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for other =E2=80=9Cexterna= l destinations=E2=80=9D > indicating e.g., the need to route via the parent and thus to use > Non-Storing signaling.* > > > > *Then that text was stripped off the RUL draft and placed it in the > Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was really text on the forwarding behavior, > which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external > destination (need to encaps to the parent when it is not necessarily need= ed > for a RUL). That new text also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is > completely localized in a new section. the text was moved about routing > from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not published yet, please > find that text inline below:* > > > > *=E2=80=9C* > > > > 4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non-Storing > > > > Mode Signaling. > > > > > > Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the 'E' flag that is set to > > > > indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO redistributes external > > > > targets into the RPL network. An external Target is a Target that > > > > has been learned through an alternate protocol, for instance a route > > > > to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain but reachable via a 6LR. > > > > Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that is reached via an > > > > external target cannot be guaranteed to ignore the RPL artifacts and > > > > cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] compression correctly. > > > > This means that the RPL artifacts should be contained in an IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and that any remaining > > > > compression should be expanded by the 6LR before it forwards a packet > > > > outside the RPL domain. > > > > > > This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to RECOMMEND that external > > > > targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode signaling even in a > > > > Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets to an external target > > > > reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and the Root is informed of > > > > the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel. In case > > > > of an external target, the Root SHOULD use the same IP-in-IP > > > > encapsulation for packets that it generates or that are originated > > > > within the RPL domain as if the packets were coming from the > > > > Internet. > > > > > > A RUL is a special case of external target when the target is > > > > actually a host and it is known to support a consumed Routing Header > > > > and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [RFC8200]. The target > > > > may have been learned through as a host route or may have been > > > > registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-IP encapsulation MAY be > > > > avoided for Root to RUL communication if the RUL is known to process > > > > the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR without decapsulation. > > > > > > In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a 6LN, it is beneficial > > > > that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP, but that is not assumed > > > > by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root that encapsulates a > > > > packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a parent 6LR unless it is aware > > > > that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation. > > > > > > A node that is reachable over an external route is not expected to > > > > support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation took place or not and > > > > even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to a RUL, the 6LR that > > > > injected an external route MUST uncompress the packet before > > > > forwarding over that external route. > > *=E2=80=9C* > > > > *So where are we?* > > > > *We need to agree on what we place in the definition of a RUL for > which Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a special behavior. Do we limit to the > ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavio= r, > or do we define a new different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an > unclear superset of the nodes that support the RUL draft and for which > there is a defined RPL operation? I do not see the need because if (ever, > though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one version of > =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9Cthat guy= =E2=80=9D should be handled as a > RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal destination=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info.* > > > > *Thus the proposal to that that the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D = in > Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a node that supports the RUL draft, and make the R= UL > draft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so= , > MISSREF will play its guardian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is > consistent with the RUL draft till the last minute because it is not > published too hastly.* > > > > *Looking forward to your reactions,* > > > > *Ines, Pascal and Michael.* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *_______________________________________________ Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > * > > --0000000000003c33df0596897f09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you Pascal :)

De= ar all, new version was updated including:

- Termi= nology clarifications

- New Section on=C2=A0Update= s to RFC6550: Advertise External Routes with Non- Storing Mode Signaling

- Assumptions Lists updated

- Uses cases in SM related with RUL as dst updated.

Please review and comments.


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 6:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) &l= t;pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Yes, Ines=C2=A0

=C2=A0

RPL awareness and the position = of leaf are now orthogonal properties. A RAL has both.=

=C2=A0

Can you please publish? I think= cutoff is on us now.

=C2=A0

All the best

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

From: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Sent: lundi 4 novembre 2019 15:51
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>; Michael Richardson = <mcr+ietf@s= andelman.ca>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

=C2=A0

Thank you Pascal for adding the terminology clarific= ation.

=C2=A0

Then, following my understanding when you say a &quo= t;RPL Leaf" it is a node that do not necessarily=C2=A0implement RPL. I= t is just a node that is attached to the DODAG (with the features that you = mentioned below).=C2=A0

If I refer to a RPL Leaf that implements RPL I shoul= d call it, RPL-aware-leaf, otherwise is a RPL-unaware-leaf. Is this correct= ?

=C2=A0

Thanks,

Ines.

=C2=A0

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 12:24 PM Pascal Thubert (pthu= bert) <pthubert@= cisco.com> wrote:

Well noted though a technical r= eason has more weight than a preference.

=C2=A0

Editors: I made a pull request = to define the Leaf.

=C2=A0

The draft already has text like=

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Further details about<= /u>

=C2=A0=C2=A0 this are mentioned= in [I-D.thubert-roll-unaware-leaves], which

=C2=A0=C2=A0 specifies RPL rout= ing for a 6LN acting as a plain host and not being

=C2=A0=C2=A0 aware of RPL.

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0

This is very close to make the = RUL draft a normative ref anyway. We need to change the name to draft-ietf = by the way.

=C2=A0

Is we ship UseOfRPLinfo without= the Normative ref to the RUL draft, this makes it the draft the place wher= e the term RUL is defined.

=C2=A0

I need slight changes to the RU= L draft to adapt to that and I=E2=80=99d like to be done either before cuto= ff so we can present to the group at IETF 106.

=C2=A0

Please let me know!

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Abdussalam Baryun
Sent: lundi 4 novembre 2019 09:05
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Ines Robles <mariainesroble= s@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrpl= info

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthub= ert) <pthubert@c= isco.com> wrote:

I do not think we concluded on = this and we need to publish tomorrow.

=C2=A0<= /u>

On the one hand, we need to = add a definition of a leaf in useofrpl information as a node that is attach= ed to a RPL DODAG and as an IPv6 node is expected to handle consumed RH and HbH so it can receive a packet that went though the= RPL domain with consumed RPL artifacts. That is needed, we are missing the= definition of a leaf today..

=C2=A0<= /u>

On the other hand, we need t= o decide if the definition of a RUL is 1) that in the useofrplinfo draft as= it stands today in the repo https://raw.githubusercontent.com/roll-wg/useofrplinfo/master/roll-useofrpl= info.txt (a leaf that does not speak RPL) or 2) the one in the RUL draf= t today (adds support to talk to the router using RFC 8505). If we leave as= is I=E2=80=99ll update the RUL draft to say that the RUM draft plays with RUL that supports that additional stuff.=

=C2=A0<= /u>

  1. Is simple, no reference to RUL draft is needed, can= go to RFC quickly
  2. Makes the RUl draft a normative reference, guarante= es to keep the 2 specs homogeneous

=C2=A0<= /u>

I=E2=80=99m OK either way, c= utoff is tomorrow. Any clue?

=C2=A0

I prefer (1), but me too, I'm OK either way,<= /u>

=C2=A0

Thanks

AB=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /u>

From: Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Sent: vendredi 25 octobre 2019 13:18
To: roll <roll= @ietf.org>
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelm= an.ca>
Subject: Making RUL draft normative reference in useofrplinfo=

=C2=A0

Dear all,

=C2=A0

Discussing with Pascal and Michael, we would like= to know if you think that unaware-leaves draft should be normative in useo= frplinfo.

=C2=A0

Please find below some discussion points:=C2=A0

=C2=A0

The RUL draft introduces a n= ew beast to the RPL family, a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2= =80=9C but can now attach to the network and benefit from special forwardin= g rules, provided that it implements the RUL draft and some dependencies lis= ted therein. Use-Of-RPL-Info aligned to the WIP but there=E2=80=99s still a= risk if it is published too soon that it is not 100% aligned. The misalign= ment we noted is mostly a terminology thing: is a RUL a =E2=80=9CLeaf-that-does-not-speak-RFC-6550=E2=80=9C, or should = we carry additional meaning like support of the RUL draft and/or the depend= encies.

=C2=A0<= /u>

The behavior for a RUL in Us= e-Of-RPL-Info world for the is correct but it could apply to a slightly wid= er definition of a RUL than what the RUL draft considers. E.g., a node that 1) does not implement the RUL draft and even RFC 8505, b= ut 2) never moves (tethered to the router or embedded therein), could also = attach to a RPL network provided that the router does a new set of things, = like handles the sequence counter and =C2=A0stuff, and there could be tons of variations of that guy e.g., = =C2=A0whether that guy could provide an =E2=80=9Copaque=E2=80=9D RPL-aware = RPLinstanceID though it does not speak RFC 6550. The description of the ope= ration of a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info would work for that guy as well, but that operation is not defined. IOW that guy is does not (yet)= belong to the RPL family, and will hopefully never do, because the origina= l 6LoWPAN ND is obsoleted by RFC 8505, so why not just do that?<= u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

To maximize the coverage of = Use-Of-RPL-Info, we should need to include that guy in the generic =E2=80= =9CRUL=E2=80=9D definition. I=E2=80=99m not too interested in defining all = the variations of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D and even less to give a name to a= ll the variations, and/or ensure that it could be doable to do RPL on their= behalf based on new hypothetic features in the router. Personally I=E2=80= =99m happy enough if the RUL that the Use-Of-RPL-Info describes has a scope that is reduced to nodes that obey the RUL draft, because they= are the only ones for which we have a defined behavior in the router. Thus= the proposal to make the RUL draft a normative reference and live a few mo= nths with a missref.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Changes were done in the RUL= draft to ensure that the operation described for a RUL in Use-Of-RPL-Info = is compatible with the new beast that the RUL draft considers, making the new beast a subset of the RUL considered by Use-Of-R= PL-Info. Because when the doc became WG doc a RUL was any sort of external = route. the doc made it more specific. The price to pay was to introduce a d= ifferent behavior for the RUL and other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D. As the text was changed for= other =E2=80=9Cexternal destinations=E2=80=9D indicating e.g., the need to= route via the parent and thus to use Non-Storing signaling.<= /u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

Then that text was stripped = off the RUL draft and placed it in the Use-Of-RPL-Info because it was reall= y text on the forwarding behavior, which is different if some assumptions cannot be made on the external destination (need to en= caps to the parent when it is not necessarily needed for a RUL). That new t= ext also fills a gap in Use-Of-RPL-Info and is completely localized in a=C2= =A0 new section. the=C2=A0 text was moved about routing from the RUL draft to that section. Since it is not publishe= d yet, please find that text inline below:

=C2=A0<= /u>

=E2=80=9C<= u>

=C2= =A0

4.1. Updates to RFC6550: Advertise External R= outes with Non-Storing

=C2=A0

Mode Signaling.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Section 6.7.8. of [RFC6550] introduces the &#= 39;E' flag that is set to

=C2=A0

indicate that the 6LR that generates the DAO = redistributes external

=C2=A0

targets into the RPL network. An external Tar= get is a Target that

=C2=A0

has been learned through an alternate protoco= l, for instance a route

=C2=A0

to a prefix that is outside the RPL domain bu= t reachable via a 6LR.

=C2=A0

Being outside of the RPL domain, a node that = is reached via an

=C2=A0

external target cannot be guaranteed to ignor= e the RPL artifacts and

=C2=A0

cannot be expected to process the [RFC8138] c= ompression correctly.

=C2=A0

This means that the RPL artifacts should be c= ontained in an IP-in-IP

=C2=A0

encapsulation that is removed by the 6LR, and= that any remaining

=C2=A0

compression should be expanded by the 6LR bef= ore it forwards a packet

=C2=A0

outside the RPL domain.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

This specification updates RPL [RFC6550] to R= ECOMMEND that external

=C2=A0

targets are advertised using Non-Storing Mode= signaling even in a

=C2=A0

Storing-Mode network. This way, all packets t= o an external target

=C2=A0

reach the Root that can encapsulate them, and= the Root is informed of

=C2=A0

the address of the 6LR that terminates the IP= -in-IP tunnel.=C2=A0In case

=C2=A0

of an external target, the Root SHOULD use th= e same IP-in-IP

=C2=A0

encapsulation for packets that it generates o= r that are originated

=C2=A0

within the RPL domain as if the packets were = coming from the

=C2=A0

Internet.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A RUL is a special case of external target wh= en the target is

=C2=A0

actually a host and it is known to support a = consumed Routing Header

=C2=A0

and to ignore a HbH header as prescribed by [= RFC8200].=C2=A0The target

=C2=A0

may have been learned through as a host route= or may have been

=C2=A0

registered to the 6LR using [RFC8505]. IP-in-= IP encapsulation MAY be

=C2=A0

avoided for Root to RUL communication if the = RUL is known to process

=C2=A0

the packets as forwarded by the parent 6LR wi= thout decapsulation.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In order to enable IP-in-IP all the way to a = 6LN, it is beneficial

=C2=A0

that the 6LN supports decapsulating IP-in-IP,= but that is not assumed

=C2=A0

by [RFC8504]. If the 6LN is a RUL, the Root t= hat encapsulates a

=C2=A0

packet SHOULD terminate the tunnel at a paren= t 6LR unless it is aware

=C2=A0

that the RUL supports IP-in-IP decapsulation.=

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

A node that is reachable over an external rou= te is not expected to

=C2=A0

support [RFC8138]. Whether a decapsulation to= ok place or not and

=C2=A0

even when the 6LR is delivering the packet to= a RUL, the 6LR that

=C2=A0

injected an external route MUST uncompress th= e packet before

=C2=A0

forwarding over that external route.

=E2=80=9C<= u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

So where are we?<= u>

=C2=A0<= /u>

We need to agree on what we = place in the definition of a RUL for which=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info presents a = special behavior. Do we limit to the ground common with the RUL draft for which there is a defined RPL behavior, or do we define a new= different thing where Use-Of-RPL-Info handles an unclear superset of the n= odes that support the RUL draft and for which there is a defined RPL operat= ion? I do not see the need because if (ever, though doubtful) a new draft defines the RPL operation for one v= ersion of =E2=80=9Cthat guy=E2=80=9D then is can also say whether =E2=80=9C= that guy=E2=80=9D should be handled as a RUL or as an =E2=80=9Cexternal des= tination=E2=80=9D=C2=A0in=C2=A0Use-Of-RPL-Info.

=C2=A0<= /u>

Thus the proposal to that th= at the operation of a =E2=80=9CRUL=E2=80=9D in Use-Of-RPL-Info is for a nod= e that supports the RUL draft, and make the RUL draft a normative reference to define what that exactly mean. If we do so, MISSREF will play its guard= ian role to ensure that Use-Of-RPL-Info is consistent with the RUL draft ti= ll the last minute because it is not published too hastly.

=C2=A0

Looking forward to your reac= tions,

=C2=A0

Ines, Pascal and Michael.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

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Message-ID: <157291096402.13960.3605955179347088030@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 15:42:44 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 23:42:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Common Ancestor Objective Functions and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Extension Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Georgios Papadopoulos Nicolas Montavont Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from / to the RPL root requires the ability to forward copies of packets over different paths via different RPL parents. Selecting the appropriate parents to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information about a node's parents. This document details what information needs to be transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable this functionality. This document also describes Objective Functions which take advantage of this information to implement multi-path routing. 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The changes are quite small, in accordance with Rahul's suggestions: - We now request one OCP for the whole CA OF family instead of 3 separate ones before. This allows nodes to use a different variant freely within the same RPL Instance. - We clarified the fact that the use of the DAGMC NSA PS constraint does not affect the calculation of the rank. We hope that this version will be in a good state to go though the WGLC. Best, Aris On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:43 AM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > WG of the IETF. > > Title : Common Ancestor Objective Functions and Parent > Set DAG Metric Container Extension > Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis > Georgios Papadopoulos > Nicolas Montavont > Pascal Thubert > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.txt > Pages : 15 > Date : 2019-11-04 > > Abstract: > Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from / to the RPL > root requires the ability to forward copies of packets over different > paths via different RPL parents. Selecting the appropriate parents > to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information about a > node's parents. This document details what information needs to be > transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable this > functionality. This document also describes Objective Functions > which take advantage of this information to implement multi-path > routing. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000000fd98105968dfd45 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

we have addressed th= e remaining comments from Rahul (thanks a lot for reading it again Rahul). =
The changes are quite small, in accordance with R= ahul's suggestions:
- We now request one OCP for the whol= e CA OF family instead of 3 separate ones before. This allows nodes to use = a different variant freely within the same RPL Instance.
- We= clarified the fact that the use of the DAGMC NSA PS constraint does not a= ffect the calculation of the rank.

We hope tha= t this version will be in a good state to go though the WGLC.
Best,
Aris

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 12:43 AM &= lt;internet-drafts@ietf.org= > wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Common Ancestor Objective Functions and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Ex= tension
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Remo= us-Aris Koutsiamanis
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Georgios Papadopoulos
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nicolas Montavont
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-nsa-extension-05.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 15
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-11-04

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from / to the = RPL
=C2=A0 =C2=A0root requires the ability to forward copies of packets over di= fferent
=C2=A0 =C2=A0paths via different RPL parents.=C2=A0 Selecting the appropria= te parents
=C2=A0 =C2=A0to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information a= bout a
=C2=A0 =C2=A0node's parents.=C2=A0 This document details what informati= on needs to be
=C2=A0 =C2=A0transmitted and how it is encoded within a packet to enable th= is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0functionality.=C2=A0 This document also describes Objective Fu= nctions
=C2=A0 =C2=A0which take advantage of this information to implement multi-pa= th
=C2=A0 =C2=A0routing.


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certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 476jSg30Hnzyg1; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:26:59 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <76EB15DE-5CCD-4088-AE87-FF68436BC267@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:26:58 +0100 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 594635217.342867-a30e7de06dfc98fd33a921958dade502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <268BA36A-AC92-4988-B971-A850CEB7EB39@tzi.org> References: <76EB15DE-5CCD-4088-AE87-FF68436BC267@cisco.com> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 08:27:03 -0000 We generally signal compression capabilities using 6CIO (see RFC 7400). I think this discussion is a symptom of ROLL trying to usurp some of the = neighbor discovery functions, so in the end we never know where to put = what. Of course piggybacking routing setup into neighbor setup is a = good optimization, but doing neighbor setup implicitly based on having = seen routing setup is creating this problem. Maybe we can clean this up = at some point. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On Nov 5, 2019, at 08:31, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > DODAG configuration as it=E2=80=99s name indicates is configuration. = The goal is to tell dynamically how the protocol is operated as opposed = to configuring all nodes separately.=20 >=20 > RPL operates in control plane and data plane. It does proactive route = setup and reactive invalidation. These are all trade offs that are = chosen to optimize energy and bandwidth efficiency vs. some theoretical = perfection. >=20 > The current proposal does not generate any additional transmission. = Defining a new protocol to set one bit might appear more perfect but = would require bandwidth and code footprint that we do not have. >=20 > You are very free to propose an alternate solution with enough details = so we can understand it, even push a draft, and then the WG will make = the best of all it sees. >=20 > Pascal=20 >=20 > ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: Abdussalam Baryun >> Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138 >> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >>=20 >>=20 >> I don't think it is the right approach, why using the DODAG = configuration for compression? this compression turn on/off is not for = the DODAG construction but for packets. I think we should separate = configurations of the RPL routing standards and of the packet = compression standards. We may add another configuration option per DODAG = or another way. >>=20 >> What do you think? >>=20 >> AB=20 >>=20 >> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >> Dear all >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a = simple draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to = enable turning it on in an brown field. >>=20 >> There=E2=80=99s no black magic and it would be good to progress it in = the background rather than forget it.. 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Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 10:15:34 -0000 Deleted milestone "Initial submission of a Forwarder Selection Protocol for MPL to the IESG". Changed milestone "Initial submission of a solution to the problems due to the use of No-Path DAO Messages to the IESG ", set due date to November 2019 from July 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao to milestone. Changed milestone "Initial Submission of a proposal with uses cases for RPI, RH3 and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation to the IESG", set due date to December 2019 from April 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo to milestone. Changed milestone "Initial submission of a root initiated routing state in RPL to the IESG", set due date to December 2019 from August 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection to milestone. Changed milestone "Initial submission of a reactive P2P route discovery mechanism based on AODV-RPL protocol to the IESG", set due date to March 2020 from July 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl to milestone. Changed milestone "Initial submission of a proposal to augment DIS flags and options to the IESG ", set due date to June 2020 from December 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications to milestone. Changed milestone "Initial submission of a proposal for Source-Route Multicast for RPL to the IESG", set due date to June 2020 from January 2019, added draft-ietf-roll-ccast to milestone. Changed milestone "Initial submission of a YANG model for MPL to the IESG", set due date to July 2020 from March 2019, added draft-ietf-roll-mpl-yang to milestone. Changed milestone "Recharter WG or close", set due date to October 2020 from September 2019. 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Comments welcome :-), Thank you, Ines, Dominique and Peter On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:15 PM IETF Secretariat < ietf-secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote: > Deleted milestone "Initial submission of a Forwarder Selection Protocol for > MPL to the IESG". > > Changed milestone "Initial submission of a solution to the problems due to > the use of No-Path DAO Messages to the IESG ", set due date to November > 2019 > from July 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao to milestone. > > Changed milestone "Initial Submission of a proposal with uses cases for > RPI, > RH3 and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation to the IESG", set due date to December > 2019 from April 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo to milestone. > > Changed milestone "Initial submission of a root initiated routing state in > RPL to the IESG", set due date to December 2019 from August 2018, added > draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection to milestone. > > Changed milestone "Initial submission of a reactive P2P route discovery > mechanism based on AODV-RPL protocol to the IESG", set due date to March > 2020 from July 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl to milestone. > > Changed milestone "Initial submission of a proposal to augment DIS flags > and > options to the IESG ", set due date to June 2020 from December 2018, added > draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications to milestone. > > Changed milestone "Initial submission of a proposal for Source-Route > Multicast for RPL to the IESG", set due date to June 2020 from January > 2019, > added draft-ietf-roll-ccast to milestone. > > Changed milestone "Initial submission of a YANG model for MPL to the IESG", > set due date to July 2020 from March 2019, added draft-ietf-roll-mpl-yang > to > milestone. > > Changed milestone "Recharter WG or close", set due date to October 2020 > from > September 2019. > > URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/about/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000a893070596aae31d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

We just updated the Milestone= s. Comments welcome :-),

Thank you,

=
Ines, Dominique and Peter

On Wed, Nov 6, 2019 at 12:15 PM I= ETF Secretariat <ietf= -secretariat-reply@ietf.org> wrote:
Deleted milestone "Initial submission of a = Forwarder Selection Protocol for
MPL to the IESG".

Changed milestone "Initial submission of a solution to the problems du= e to
the use of No-Path DAO Messages to the IESG ", set due date to Novembe= r 2019
from July 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-efficient-npdao to milestone.

Changed milestone "Initial Submission of a proposal with uses cases fo= r RPI,
RH3 and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation to the IESG", set due date to Decem= ber
2019 from April 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo to milestone.

Changed milestone "Initial submission of a root initiated routing stat= e in
RPL to the IESG", set due date to December 2019 from August 2018, adde= d
draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection to milestone.

Changed milestone "Initial submission of a reactive P2P route discover= y
mechanism based on AODV-RPL protocol to the=C2=A0 IESG", set due date = to March
2020 from July 2018, added draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl to milestone.

Changed milestone "Initial submission of a proposal to augment DIS fla= gs and
options to the IESG ", set due date to June 2020 from December 2018, a= dded
draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications to milestone.

Changed milestone "Initial submission of a proposal for Source-Route Multicast for RPL to the IESG", set due date to June 2020 from January= 2019,
added draft-ietf-roll-ccast to milestone.

Changed milestone "Initial submission of a YANG model for MPL to the I= ESG",
set due date to July 2020 from March 2019, added draft-ietf-roll-mpl-yang t= o
milestone.

Changed milestone "Recharter WG or close", set due date to Octobe= r 2020 from
September 2019.

URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/roll/about/

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--000000000000a893070596aae31d-- From nobody Wed Nov 6 10:29:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82EF8120142 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:29:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157306496853.27328.11105966301839494673.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 10:29:28 -0800 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Milestones changed for roll WG X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 18:29:28 -0000 Changed milestone "Initial submission of a solution to the problems due to the use of No-Path DAO Messages to the IESG ", set description to "Initial submission of a solution to the problems due to the use of No-Path DAO Messages to the IESG". 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Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:55:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <76EB15DE-5CCD-4088-AE87-FF68436BC267@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <76EB15DE-5CCD-4088-AE87-FF68436BC267@cisco.com> From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:54:48 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bf7d5005970c9c77" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 06:55:12 -0000 --000000000000bf7d5005970c9c77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:31 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > DODAG configuration as it=E2=80=99s name indicates is configuration. The = goal is > to tell dynamically how the protocol is operated as opposed to configurin= g > all nodes separately. > The draft is not about configuring the DAG, it is for compression, why your proposal mixes them? > > RPL operates in control plane and data plane. It does proactive route > setup and reactive invalidation. These are all trade offs that are chosen > to optimize energy and bandwidth efficiency vs. some theoretical perfecti= on. > yes, so we need to give RPL more options and alternatives and not use its few reserved, > > The current proposal does not generate any additional transmission. > how can we be sure of this if we do not separate functions specially while RPL is in both data and control planes. Defining a new protocol to set one bit might appear more perfect but would > require bandwidth and code footprint that we do not have. > I agree but this draft proposed is already a new protocol defined as standard and updating standards. Updates for protocols can make things very more complicated. > > You are very free to propose an alternate solution with enough details so > we can understand it, even push a draft, and then the WG will make the be= st > of all it sees. > We are now trying to understand your proposal and your request to adopt and to find good solutions, why we are asking for another draft or solutions? AB > > Pascal > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > > From: Abdussalam Baryun > Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:55 AM > Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138 > To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > > > I don't think it is the right approach, why using the DODAG configuration > for compression? this compression turn on/off is not for the DODAG > construction but for packets. I think we should separate configurations o= f > the RPL routing standards and of the packet compression standards. We may > add another configuration option per DODAG or another way. > > What do you think? > > AB > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Dear all >> >> * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 >> is a >> simple draft that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to >> enable turning it on in an brown field. There=E2=80=99s no black magic a= nd it would >> be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it.. Could w= e >> consider adoption? 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On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:31 AM Pascal= Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisc= o.com> wrote:
DODAG configuration as it=E2=80=99s name indicates is configuration. T= he goal is to tell dynamically how the protocol is operated as opposed to c= onfiguring all nodes separately.=C2=A0

The draft is not about configuring the DAG, it is for compression, = why your proposal mixes them?=C2=A0

RPL operates in control plane and data plane. It does proactive route = setup and reactive invalidation. These are all trade offs that are chosen t= o optimize energy and bandwidth efficiency vs. some theoretical perfection.=

yes, so we need to give RPL mo= re options and alternatives and not use its few reserved,

The current proposal does not generate any additional transmission.

how can we be sure of this if we= do not separate functions specially while RPL is in both data and control = planes.

Definin= g a new protocol to set one bit might appear more perfect but would require= bandwidth and code footprint that we do not have.
=

I agree but this draft proposed is already a new protoc= ol defined as standard and updating standards. Updates for protocols can ma= ke things very more complicated.

You are very free to propose an alternate solution with enough details= so we can understand it, even push a draft, and then the WG will make the = best of all it sees.

We are now= trying to understand your proposal=C2=A0and your request to adopt and to f= ind good solutions, why we are asking for another draft or solutions?
=

AB

=C2=A0

Pascal=C2=A0

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Abdussalam Baryun <abdussalambaryun@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Roll] Adopting turnon 8138
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>


I don't think it is the right approach, why using the DODAG config= uration for compression? this compression turn on/off is not for the DODAG = construction but for packets. I think we=C2=A0should separate configuration= s of the RPL routing standards and of=C2=A0the packet compression standards. We may add another configuration option per = DODAG or another way.

What do you think?

AB=C2=A0

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:34 PM Pasca= l Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear all

=C2=A0

https://too= ls.ietf.org/html/draft-thubert-roll-turnon-rfc8138-03 is a simple draft= that completes RFC 8138 with bits in the config option to enable turning it on in an brown field.

There=E2=80=99s no black magic = and it would be good to progress it in the background rather than forget it= .. Could we consider adoption?

=C2=A0

=

All the best

=C2=A0

=

Pascal

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multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e9a5080597774ba4" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Request for reviews for enrollment-priority draft X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:11:57 -0000 --000000000000e9a5080597774ba4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, We kindly request for reviews of the draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority/, we understand that it is ready for Last Call. 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We kindly request for reviews of th= e draft=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-enroll= ment-priority/, we understand that it is ready for Last Call.

Thank you in advance,

Ines, Domini= que and Peter
--000000000000e9a5080597774ba4-- From nobody Sat Nov 16 06:40:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46015120131; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:40:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=imt-atlantique.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YmvaEhzPmGJM; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:2001:660:330f:2::c1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 189CA12012D; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:40:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CB4801E0; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:40:34 +0100 (CET) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id Rv2PnVq5RepG; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:40:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7327381007; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:40:32 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 zproxy120.enst.fr 7327381007 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=imt-atlantique.fr; s=50EA75E8-DE22-11E6-A6DE-0662BA474D24; t=1573915232; bh=67H/SN02V/p1KDFyW8ZLIOWUSlUro+JVRVfr/fr2PLQ=; h=Mime-Version:From:Date:Message-Id:To; b=Wt/vaAO6nCKkwVZK8rMtmRddICzh/6OHlDuC4gThOD1s+g+TlA9A4GxgDroJQ8r4m ZxHnKFLuB5i2Mq43fAl4JQIcPx2NhPOTh1HrVrA3ZACEqOJq0QJIYFZotE4l4h5e7I rBQIsI7Oc5c68E75YGqOt01FLQiV9nj53NSlFxwg= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zproxy120.enst.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ilJqbLw2zdoT; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:40:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.73.55] (unknown [132.147.98.37]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C2D4801E0; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 15:40:31 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_27BD189F-6D5A-4EE4-90EE-771A730EC62B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 22:40:28 +0800 Cc: 6tisch@ietf.org, roll , peter van der Stok , dominique barthel Message-Id: <6DF5BBF7-CDFD-4E04-8BD1-ECC5128C1289@imt-atlantique.fr> References: To: Ines Robles X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] [6tisch] Request for reviews for enrollment-priority draft X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:40:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_27BD189F-6D5A-4EE4-90EE-771A730EC62B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Ines, I have observed very few typos and one comment :=20 - time-slotted channel hopping (TSCH) =E2=80=94> Time-Slotted Channel = Hopping (TSCH) - (the "pledge)=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94> (the =E2=80=9Cpledge=E2=80=9D) - "6LRs that see this DIO Option SHOULD increment the minimum priority = if they observe congestion on the channel used for join traffic.=E2=80=9D GP: channel here, I suppose it is ment the radio channel. Then between = node A and B link, we have 16 radio channels. Thus, in stead saying =E2=80=A6 congestion on the channel, we could have = =E2=80=A6 congestion on the link (or subnetwork)? - Finally, I am not sure if the standard should be written as 802.15.4 = or IEEE 802.15.4. My 2 cents, Georgios > On Nov 16, 2019, at 22:11, Ines Robles = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > We kindly request for reviews of the draft = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority/ = , = we understand that it is ready for Last Call. >=20 > Thank you in advance, >=20 > Ines, Dominique and Peter > _______________________________________________ > 6tisch mailing list > 6tisch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch --Apple-Mail=_27BD189F-6D5A-4EE4-90EE-771A730EC62B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello Ines,

I have observed very few typos and one comment = : 

- time-slotted channel hopping (TSCH) = =E2=80=94> Time-Slotted Channel Hopping (TSCH)
- (the "pledge)=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94> (the = =E2=80=9Cpledge=E2=80=9D)
- "6LRs that see this DIO = Option SHOULD increment the minimum priority if they observe congestion = on the channel used for join = traffic.=E2=80=9D
GP: channel here, I suppose it is = ment the radio channel. Then between node A and B link, we have 16 radio = channels.
Thus, in stead saying =E2=80=A6 = congestion on the channel, we could have =E2=80=A6 congestion on the = link (or subnetwork)?
- Finally, I am not sure if = the standard should be written as 802.15.4 or = IEEE 802.15.4.

My 2 cents,
Georgios


On Nov 16, 2019, at 22:11, Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> = wrote:

Hi,

We kindly request for reviews of the draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-pri= ority/, we understand that it is ready for Last Call.

Thank you in = advance,

Ines, = Dominique and Peter
_______________________________________________
6tisch = mailing list
6tisch@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6tisch

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Dear all,

Please find below the com= plete set of slides for ROLL meeting


Other meeting material:=C2= =A0

Etherpad: ht= tps://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-roll

<= div>Comments welcome,

Thank you,
Ines, Dominique and Peter

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--0000000000007855fa05977c57ba-- From nobody Sat Nov 16 19:58:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC90912083E; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:58:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.419 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.419 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zxNBq7vSw5FG; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from fireball.acr.fi (fireball.acr.fi [83.145.195.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 165B5120046; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:58:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by fireball.acr.fi (Postfix, from userid 15204) id 8DAA125C0FED; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:58:39 +0200 (EET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24016.50543.516688.379372@fireball.acr.fi> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:58:39 +0200 From: Tero Kivinen To: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" Cc: Ines Robles , dominique barthel , 6tisch@ietf.org, roll , peter van der Stok In-Reply-To: <6DF5BBF7-CDFD-4E04-8BD1-ECC5128C1289@imt-atlantique.fr> References: <6DF5BBF7-CDFD-4E04-8BD1-ECC5128C1289@imt-atlantique.fr> X-Mailer: VM 8.2.0b under 26.3 (x86_64--netbsd) X-Edit-Time: 6 min X-Total-Time: 5 min Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] [6tisch] Request for reviews for enrollment-priority draft X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 03:58:43 -0000 Georgios Z. Papadopoulos writes: > - Finally, I am not sure if the standard should be written as > 802.15.4 or IEEE 802.15.4. Correct spelling is "IEEE std 802.15.4" (no period after std). This refers the latest version of the standard (currently IEEE std 802.15.4-2015) and all approved amendments to it. The Title of the standard is "IEEE Standard for Low-Rate Wireless Personal Area Networks (WPANs)". Using the dated reference is needed if you refer to any clause or subsection numbers inside the standard, as future versions will renumber clauses and subsections. 802.15 is now doing a revision of the 802.15.4 and the next version will be out most likely next year. -- kivinen@iki.fi From nobody Sun Nov 17 05:09:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6170F1200F4 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:09:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.997 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WEmfvgr5asLg for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:09:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-il1-x129.google.com (mail-il1-x129.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17F331200CD for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:09:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-il1-x129.google.com with SMTP id s75so13469723ilc.3 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:09:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=RpIMkXnJRCwNiIbytDOtTi51DrwZ7/Idf3DsouPdYCA=; b=bf3Sb/0wmbSEhn8QSmf7xEmFg0UyRIh9Ye6ZohbEsi2UNG2e8CcPdr/7Ap4EuKvX1P 9NvKM5/0Ftc0NCuaiKb9I/cncooFFimumkVd0iv9bF1ekxhJCrmyn4JAmWo7JWBLvx4g U2ldAL19Znp9xBNClmIYcXI3h49aXdzzkxSSjchziOI1pNwdQSZV0fC6u27b4fkGkR3Q 9Oujmfp5yIYsjwGaYtH/IdQJNhn+cY5XGU3DLnSAE9tS87YJrrpuMEhrhh4+oI0bC4DH qKCwU8ZZusXtt/eOdCFX9vEstS32Ihs6lZ5VOkT47phtr0mXBBBEbLpoJgiI8t5svlpV ZhEA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RpIMkXnJRCwNiIbytDOtTi51DrwZ7/Idf3DsouPdYCA=; b=H/JC360p6Gv+mJCqq8Ty1L7qgnCegQnYn2uHoSvgxgxMVRQ6rO7PhdObUWhAc/3rL8 qCzIUJRSmvzpFKbDug0+df4E1YRbzeseIwGhix9mZKKqDxPusTJWgIOnNCN3NfHaMIwa rqzoR9dMf4Gh0/xY+/Ru+WpMpoW73LxKXbjRBsjDG3SzB6I3RuDUoUnmx/VolryUiuqL +9UdarkfP6g69xpJYPXAbBLymovkQV9En2FZJmTX7LBamjZjWPe1uLy0cIfSd3i0gy/Z oAX2Hm6Z/AIsG1LRATyH9YXNeZHz6KHvkrEgw6RrtelXx+YRDmjHNKxCDFNIjbnvd0LE oaMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU+ov8S7OhGiSDPRSc8GPDlkiIEBFmfLgGO3anNjCEUG/u68JCy v3V2v/rZUvGcspHze0uxxQN5UU0nmUGzxQhW3/UGEFJdxN4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzrhL2aAtd4vxQnFYZm465y+0/59I22I3qBi7oEWXyIkq0qasfPcdqioJdYyTOG+UBM0S9d1eSmppzHrpBQsQA= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d80e:: with SMTP id y14mr11116778ilm.267.1573996184855; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 05:09:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ines Robles Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 15:09:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000079ea7905978a8b1a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Slides IETF 106 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 13:09:48 -0000 --00000000000079ea7905978a8b1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, Please find an updated version of the slides https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-106-roll-complete-set-roll-slides-ietf-106/ Comments welcome, Thank you, Ines, Dominique and Peter On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 10:03 PM Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > Please find below the complete set of slides for ROLL meeting > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/slides-106-roll-completeset-roll-ietf106-00/ > > Other meeting material: > > Meetecho: https://www.meetecho.com/ietf106/roll/ > Etherpad: https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-roll > > Comments welcome, > > Thank you, > > Ines, Dominique and Peter > > --00000000000079ea7905978a8b1a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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--00000000000079ea7905978a8b1a-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 17:33:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F4BC12002E; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:33:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <157404079547.6413.5433565311317386785@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:33:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-09.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:33:16 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Root initiated routing state in RPL Authors : Pascal Thubert Rahul Arvind Jadhav Matthew Gillmore Filename : draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-09.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-11-17 Abstract: This document enables a RPL Root to install and maintain Projected Routes within its DODAG, along a selected set of nodes that may or may not include self, for a chosen duration. This potentially enables routes that are more optimized or resilient than those obtained with the classical distributed operation of RPL, either in terms of the size of a source-route header or in terms of path length, which impacts both the latency and the packet delivery ratio. Projected Routes may be installed in either Storing and Non-Storing Modes Instances of the classical RPL operation, resulting in potentially hybrid situations where the mode of some Projected Routes is different from that of the other routes in the RPL Instance. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-09 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-09 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-09 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Nov 17 18:04:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FF0F120048; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:04:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <157404267248.6495.13614356321800469018@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:04:32 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:04:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Routing for RPL Leaves Authors : Pascal Thubert Michael C. Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07.txt Pages : 31 Date : 2019-11-17 Abstract: This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unicast and multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are plain hosts and do not participate to RPL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Inste= ad of defining a RUL, which is now done in useofrplinfo, the RUL draft adds= requirements on a RUL to support RFC 8505 and use it in a certain way so i= t can be used to inject the DAO on behalf of the RUL. We'll discuss that Tuesday morning; Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Roll On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: lundi 18 novembre 2019 10:05 > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: roll@ietf.org > Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy network= s > WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Routing for RPL Leaves > Authors : Pascal Thubert > Michael C. Richardson > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07.txt > Pages : 31 > Date : 2019-11-17 >=20 > Abstract: > This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unicast and > multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are plain > hosts and do not participate to RPL. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-07 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Sun Nov 17 19:36:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D300F12008A for ; 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Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ba49030597a8e1b5" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?WGLC_for_=E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension?= =?utf-8?q?-05?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:21:27 -0000 --000000000000ba49030597a8e1b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05. Please let us know your opinion by 03 december. 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This a WGLC = of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.

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Ines, Dominique and Peter

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Dear all,

Today at ROLL Meeting we will= discuss the adoption of turnon-8138. It would be nice if you could state y= our opinion on-site or remotely. The adoption call will be confirmed by ML = also,

Thanks,

Ines, Domin= ique and Peter.=C2=A0
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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all Yesterday we said that if MOP is 7 then the MOPext is expected else the pac= ket is dropped. An alternate could be to say that if MOP is 7 in the DIO an= d the MOPext is not present then the MOP is non-storing, since this is the = most widely used mode in constrained networks. We also said that a MOP of 7 means RPLv2, which packages new support we are= defining. Q is what's mandatory and what's optional. I see mandatory the support of the MOPext, capabilities, useofrplinfo, DCO = and RUL draft. RFC 8138 (inc turn-on), PDAO and AODV RPL are also part of RPLv2 but then t= he support may be optional I guess, known through capability. What do you think? Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB3565C994E6D7B60E58711BA3D84C0MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

Yesterday we said that if MOP i= s 7 then the MOPext is expected else the packet is dropped. An alternate co= uld be to say that if MOP is 7 in the DIO and the MOPext is not present the= n the MOP is non-storing, since this is the most widely used mode in constrained networks.

 

We also said that a MOP of 7 me= ans RPLv2, which packages new support we are defining. Q is what’s ma= ndatory and what’s optional.

I see mandatory the support of = the MOPext, capabilities, useofrplinfo, DCO and RUL draft.

RFC 8138 (inc turn-on), PDAO an= d AODV RPL are also part of RPLv2 but then the support may be optional I gu= ess, known through capability.

 

What do you think?

 

Pascal

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I do not think that sub-dags created by p-dao should ever use a different turnon (or useofrplinfo) than the rest of the network. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3TZxsACgkQlUzhVv38 QpB/tAf/cNZYpaFof7ePwzJRlk5DtIIbOk6UCvVzBGKitexB6fELSFxSKWjtWd6v aeC2PwS6kuTDbEoL2XY61k2rPr2g8R+LJMHXL8FvUA4g9RcdeROPOLR8JisqsTYc S8HZvptlFHy42rVsFH0qFIpaKkleW/B4VzQNPwX648Nbb2pAZtxAp4JMm9IyIbSd 3AgASlQKEt9cqpBYBBWlCv7uN/qAJM1pBlHQfnhTLrEHwXMuXDt8tvMSvAw7IG4x U+vXjcXF/op9dNR7fFTW8chx0wdPUv7c8vOIKSjFicseuy9iE/vHbu1PnJDSJjWu NCNtyL1xIJD6+muZX8hA02H87kqq7g== =aEV+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 21:27:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: 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19 Nov 2019 06:18:06 +0000 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "roll@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: new text in the turn-on draft Thread-Index: AdWen6h9QnegWx7xSmiefNUH24jJkQ== Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 06:17:50 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 06:17:10 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=pthubert@cisco.com; x-originating-ip: [2001:420:c0d4:1002::66] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 7bcc41ce-d894-4271-0959-08d76cb83ddd x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MN2PR11MB3549: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:10000; x-forefront-prvs: 022649CC2C x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; 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Proposed updated text: . Updating RFC 6550 RPL defines a configuration option that is registered to IANA in section 20.14. of [RFC6550]. This specification defines a new flag "Enable RFC8138 Compression" (T) that is encoded in one of the reserved control bits in the option. The new flag is set to turn on the use of the compression of RPL artifacts with RFC 8138. Section 6.3.1. of [RFC6550] defines a 3-bit Mode of Operation (MOP) in the DIO Base Object. The new "T" flag is defined only for MOP value between 0 to 6. For a MOP value of 7, the flag MAY indicate something different and MUST NOT be interpreted as "Enable RFC8138 Compression" unless the specification of the MOP indicates to do so. Does that work? --_000_MN2PR11MB35652EC9BA05858C4918A342D84C0MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

As discussed this morning we ne= ed text to restrict the ‘T’ flag to be defined only for RPLv1.<= o:p>

 

Proposed updated text:

 

.  Updating RFC 6550<= /o:p>

 

   RPL defines a conf= iguration option that is registered to IANA in

   section 20.14. of = [RFC6550].  This specification defines a new flag

   "Enable RFC81= 38 Compression" (T) that is encoded in one of the

   reserved control b= its in the option.  The new flag is set to turn on

   the use of the com= pression of RPL artifacts with RFC 8138.

   Section 6.3.1.&nbs= p; of [RFC6550] defines a 3-bit Mode of Operation (MOP)

   in the DIO Base Ob= ject.  The new "T" flag is defined only for MOP=

   value between 0 to 6.  For a MOP value = of 7, the flag MAY indicate

   something different and MUST NOT be interpre= ted as "Enable RFC8138

   Compression" unless the specification o= f the MOP indicates to do so.=

 

Does that work?

 

 

--_000_MN2PR11MB35652EC9BA05858C4918A342D84C0MN2PR11MB3565namp_-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 23:01:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F49E12085B for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:00:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tBt1S_la-Lkd for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe30.google.com (mail-vs1-xe30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D513120086 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:00:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe30.google.com with SMTP id n9so13446009vsa.12 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:00:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ul23CaeMGFe6mRQLLC7wVAGkxtWReViD1L6VQ7bE+Gw=; b=ekbnrbF8CHYQgCUE+ei+tA3s/KZWkTY349TWALuke+STJjbQzCcxx1VdrTPHhqe8h2 u9ePi4TOGx/Zf5aGjd4D7CO0pKNjB5qPOldvtJYN5yOsjNuLzab+7K3C5GVB0+/ORvGA j1NxkHFt5r9fvKaovXfLfal1JHZI2F+CnV/R6w0GZaRmJFkWNpc32aXkn0GlBjyX1xMI Uxu7x5dPd95g0xjggxQ8Sze8g9XgO+MVEhWqhsKnFjC5hLk785HS8xHkymZd0ku6yVxD MyJditylivqVImX/GhDvTWxSZ+8Y88tCwe3PNrUr3ppxFx1Wlv/QD51U63LaPymxLwrT AZ9w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ul23CaeMGFe6mRQLLC7wVAGkxtWReViD1L6VQ7bE+Gw=; b=FJLh92hnT1DqUmQCBDZathH9Penm2KMSfblD0EuhXmIlbWJ24n6cQhH48LS8roOiO+ xNoW3nJDpRX7SlA4MyvycC8zcCzDIqd7EEIfHuSS7NORQS+rxz536qcjuORAfUMbzTZe +lZfjwonrLYqCOuCtfV+Uvz3x7AE30w/NwgiUsw5IvnSB6BUt0DUXX8emdHK7kuVN49Q 8TvhNMf6AUX1jSoCfck64ikRuLIqSxGt+HZHdBT65nnT9cRMix7FY1e2BUtoTPv7iPe4 18uTpNx82Vksd74NGOB5+hcAby3fJr/4xjKMEOd2m8s74pv1RyfSeeQpF9N8c9kMqi7D J2hg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUL2KwVQ/mwAMKxj5RC4PGPjuCkqqsR7QdfSFAopUURZQOrwsOA ryWqjoABHiNGt5/YgFOJCfdgS2HWKmXNgTU3adTod+iV X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzEHPzgF/70Jr3IxHks/F4lOXUydgGBnREnnjHiqnnB0m+E79ebmnkEBAL1yEOwEgTh4T6xdN90yrECFPKhI8o= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f708:: with SMTP id m8mr20901044vso.173.1574146835726; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 23:00:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4946.1574135579@dooku.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:00:24 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] turnon-rfc8138 and p-dao X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 07:00:51 -0000 Yeah, the compression flag inherited from the main instance statement should be enough. For implementers, it serves as an indication that there is a flag indicated somewhere (turnon-8138 document) using which you can indeed start using the compression. Best, Rahul On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:27, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Ack > > Todo for me is to write a sentence that says that the compression is inhe= rited from the main instance > > > Regards, > > Pascal > > >> Le 19 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 11:53, Michael Richardson a =C3=A9crit : > > =EF=BB=BF > > WRT: conversation at Tuesday ROLL meeting. > > > > I do not think that sub-dags created by p-dao should ever use a differe= nt > > turnon (or useofrplinfo) than the rest of the network. > > > > -- > > ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh net= works [ > > ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network archi= tect [ > > ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rai= ls [ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Tue Nov 19 01:06:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1B901208CA for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTSm8GJpJsW7 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe29.google.com (mail-vs1-xe29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0469E12089B for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe29.google.com with SMTP id u18so12904908vsg.5 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:06:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4S5rf8ol//jmz2k0RDWbRGsoAdnM8EfcjfZYWCVnPfY=; b=oajmEA398XrDP87Qy9J0oJjtogMZGUvhE/Sy3psfFv/4KfbxeIAfTeVyu9UwrwFsjv NNHCXae8bQWQAyDkpPLuJRud7ZjxhZ2bj5hTMRq0CS4IEkQ/SpY4bxyJfU9qbzUyiWjR V4CRspIvyOnXysmlYyioZNnqnUsSrJES3NeD/PprJ0eBlOZpszBNaf8Hdl3VzTo89u+4 J02ahlJoivQZH9DyWxwlRiw0JT0I3gnnTpcpj7CnGpoCYT3QRYGkenMW9ItbBcgHMDGd Lvl8nZjAK5OEtHVab4REBgncy9rUN9ksxhEhcewFxE10MPEpwdswDjD3IRTpn2gh29Lu DiKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4S5rf8ol//jmz2k0RDWbRGsoAdnM8EfcjfZYWCVnPfY=; b=OvUy847YnXmKY6lcRonIRbV6Mk+H9O5eJQnYZC5d3QM4mFJcv5c9pkcOpUkYY4bvnd UssTCPjM3PaWyAvi170DCk7iuedotWK0wiY2WY3xixc13L6spRNSQNIcnq4llfaIYjN7 cwH+YD0RibQNirpfbY21+UWU2AVS5B7XiKlXDFKrhpUhEONjUGP73EbIb3apqQ6CLakJ xwIildPhA9LBlzHLxSTcdRptOrQ1E3zh3fM+dhLaLjdoGn2mk7YrW3efFVa+X8aj4qbe 2We5xUHxf72O44r8MiSIB6GZ6GuMhaTBvD/wodNtYirVI3toWIH9+ePsxX95XX6HVOw2 PPTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXwROivCEq7LRx+l4pY2gtrVlDiAE2nsjgpgaa9h2dSHWcjK53Z hbnEWIW/SLSirhkn8fb8htQep9om7T1qCv0QmIyv0FzuS8Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxcH821nmctu0uQ55GREvIXBJBndz9bHkihoCetYoeba03fij74kmuVtqpYZH6WzQCjnhTMs/uCrhSn3NRjprk= X-Received: by 2002:a67:690f:: with SMTP id e15mr21463803vsc.170.1574154393852; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:06:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:06:22 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOP 7 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:06:40 -0000 Please find my comments inline. Regards, Rahul On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 09:44, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Dear all > > > > Yesterday we said that if MOP is 7 then the MOPext is expected else the p= acket is dropped. An alternate could be to say that if MOP is 7 in the DIO = and the MOPext is not present then the MOP is non-storing, since this is th= e most widely used mode in constrained networks. [RJ] The advantage, I assume, is that not having MOPex will save bytes in the DIO for the common case. This would result in three representations for non-storing MOP: a. base MOP =3D 1 ... RPLv1 b. base MOP =3D 7 ... without MOPex ... RPLv2 c. base MOP =3D 7 ... MOPex =3D 7 ... RPLv2 For the sake of simplicity, I would prefer to mandatorily use MOPex if MOP=3D7. Simplicity I refer to is, Base MOP =3D 7 would mean, go check MOPex value. >From an implementation point of view, if base MOP=3D7, then the implementation still cannot start using this value of MOP=3D7 since it still needs to check the MOPex. > > > > We also said that a MOP of 7 means RPLv2, which packages new support we a= re defining. Q is what=E2=80=99s mandatory and what=E2=80=99s optional. > > I see mandatory the support of the MOPext, capabilities, useofrplinfo, DC= O and RUL draft. [RJ] Thank you, Will update this set in the mopex draft. > > RFC 8138 (inc turn-on), PDAO and AODV RPL are also part of RPLv2 but then= the support may be optional I guess, known through capability. > From nobody Tue Nov 19 01:30:06 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33448120887 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:30:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aKUG6f_bScnB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:30:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe35.google.com (mail-vs1-xe35.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E26D1200CE for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:29:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe35.google.com with SMTP id j85so13715831vsd.11 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:29:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=roBUW3dyHwE/qfk3OLrI4x9SeccDlEnWIxlWXG75vBo=; b=Nn477b5/Qa0KT+26UKCMS7Ct5PuETHj5WG8t3LBp4az14Vvx+mhCHvq7bDSCIQMbbP LEg1fcaIwBkkvYz0niSVY9um8b5UD/fVvWvUYxqH7s1oURbI3IV5Q1BVaAmBKFPw3cto 75mQ8i0zcpj2z31xcGNChXOw4odVHyKEHUuCHKCD2ze16uKTppTgn2iAch+pWp3nk2h0 mzdJlGXQhRM9kQAJ+2d6pPvLJqONGf48VEWgQxS+hMaKbQzV5uwd1dxwWSVrUTIebACy TUNfF8IjvUfxoJ65gftvv23bHqQsFpH3PBV7evMyNJvkPwam7S+BKfHojVqjrg3LQBzy 73vw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=roBUW3dyHwE/qfk3OLrI4x9SeccDlEnWIxlWXG75vBo=; b=cz9pM8uY7wrESmSy83IFL6kTdwBhOrDwXQ5iUJBPaYqsbfDgrZhIcqXEL4YNAwg47d 37qZ2vz9Fl+51DcjyH6Au5G4ZJVL31YlNfzvZcaqMJnuV9l4/mUaMp11RyT8Pk1T/iHP KenPpuei1N108+1SRx5UxvwKhjFHpJaBsFKV7seZ285sxCajXmVL9ML7LB9K9qJ/U/GN org50/5MJKHNSI23kPbhkBqubvAtTF4f+1lorc3TbVWQNS4/Jbih6j+7JMcLhBlkttbu bL3hBQeh+Kp3Mh65ZTXl/oAFE5/H9Q874kmeidLXh/10l3u+u5oHLNq1aeCq0M8KE1jM RGtg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUMafkPVp45NyC/MTxYRzHFni5R5Ykc1J03mRtz13Y3fNgXB2HG nGXFiPUYZWnZQTEcQFsp2DNa9gA1Kxd2B72kMBcaeWj5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxeni9n/itMk4ACXjde5ElOBQ3m/r4Tjl+CFP1aPYyfCAQD8v8TICE8OJOUlkjNpdYauqNFpzmpZUrNIGB9X08= X-Received: by 2002:a67:690f:: with SMTP id e15mr21511919vsc.170.1574155790963; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:29:50 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:29:40 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WG Adoption for turnon-8138 at IETF 106 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:30:05 -0000 +1 for adoption. 8138 is useful (reduces SRH artifact control overhead). But the root needs to orchestrate the use. The draft provides a way to do just that. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 09:25, Ines Robles wrote: > > Dear all, > > Today at ROLL Meeting we will discuss the adoption of turnon-8138. It would be nice if you could state your opinion on-site or remotely. The adoption call will be confirmed by ML also, > > Thanks, > > Ines, Dominique and Peter. > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Tue Nov 19 01:58:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116B91208A8 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:58:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.436 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7bI5v2B5WqAw for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B4C3B12086A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:58:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:d099:fbff:fe04:5b18]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 349521F450 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:58:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id EB8CF13A0; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:58:30 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Ines Robles message dated "Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:24:46 +0200." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:58:30 +0800 Message-ID: <12892.1574157510@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WG Adoption for turnon-8138 at IETF 106 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 09:58:38 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have read turnon-8138 and I agree with adopting it. =2D-=20 Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3TvMYACgkQlUzhVv38 QpBt9AgAhTedeefy6Gd0wtUfMyh4hge6P+iia5p+bMgxUFqW8OMTgwgOE3RR4nu1 zq6wtUUQgLXGpNawN47cAUbnh/ZP/4p35lQYnlDRxjnSvDzSAHhr2sCfeNdQB/32 pDwpo25HHwIeOpeN787aNN1fJ/7TTqjxjvbDNpaRMR1er4TEodPCsrdF6YP6tAJK oG3PMBWZVhJSPifsbfhDjbZGw1fu0TcjpZuZjDwu6Bjp3Vx7+UxGWOOdmmEq7E58 MTsY5V6ePMOQx+Y6XKYWa93UulNl3JnZeNjssF6K8IBwu5+MhA/9eMfaUZgXK4h0 N0wBp7PTa7GbzWt7vw/MlPy8oobhrQ== =a6Xv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Nov 19 02:19:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 027881208AB for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:19:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HSGRO1j5gNh1 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe33.google.com (mail-vs1-xe33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 763A51208B1 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:19:16 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe33.google.com with SMTP id u6so13827322vsp.4 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:19:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MlYAv6MjF2Cf5qeWVKvLcELZz/+1lIvQX462cdudVSU=; b=sRXnjUecIiLtyr3DBbuyEKC986GR5PQASMHnCbaleznqfsEvwV03V9ZD3rwRDKaSzW b32/HKXSwAJDs4qZ0PSm+vc51XGeUIua5lTgWozmkLdvt8kz73g0IFIJ8BRh6r/xW3S3 hHQCGfip9QR/NbwrCsPUzRlBHKujGY1xLlgeRoVCriH31QJoTAehTc2Xvy27rk0yCxAm 68SVkoNJY5Q1jR7Xl2FNSZXE0j9tDhpg8YLej2QtKHq5JRxhU3sJ7w1osXWlziS/ka3v KLI4hQ7aBPK5mk6I3fvzZCdpAOfLn0VN2+xav/EccaK9mVUpXOegCm7Z3QEWmFXcxcht rxOQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=MlYAv6MjF2Cf5qeWVKvLcELZz/+1lIvQX462cdudVSU=; b=M095fKfdVReZscYSDlmtN17MWc49xBlXcxwJuhpckVLj/3fEFNFCxGXpkPbVQoxTET +FH6pzg9SatWcEakQPvSEgb6G1A/5q9PYCEdmX2/hL8lGudNiZXjO6Uu/BJ4zSmuPy5R urs+/EYQeTe6MOq2HwE+/wDR68UPfknKUVlXhbsyjUYd66KzBz1ENhDzTQ2ex1JeGmWD 52/IgZXufAi8gtD0j5nQscBtUckt4uDdoOCdtIZ2XArl2uST5bP8JoxAlXvXKuQrYw1u MCHz82aak0RumTZg6M+ynadRvHkn42Ur4sS1Cly1kQEJ7+ebAwYVi20RSrrZ7/ilYHRf MLkA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUoFh6H55vCQj6F000yl1NNytPS9nu693a8ItMaD1tiJNMD06KX FZbXTyTeHurByuFuPdFFtrfQfe8V9cpiGEoUXfCaTF2nUPg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxSXUZfomBGAKBe/SLUBh10Jr4kG71rAQTKG49wKolknKO4FooxNWoZjAJSPqyR8E5egNoMi6H5bKkgi22es/0= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:20d1:: with SMTP id i17mr21947957vsr.186.1574158755218; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:19:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:19:04 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] DIS for given parent in draft-thubert-roll-eliding-dio-information X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:19:22 -0000 Hi Li, What is the use-case where the child node needs to inform the parent to reset its trickle unilaterally when it already knows the parent's address? Please find my comments below. Best, Rahul On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > As we discussed today, there is a requirement that node sends out multica= st DIS to only reset given parent=E2=80=99s Trickle. [RJ] We discussed today that we need other nodes sending DIS to backoff on hearing other node's DIS. We also discussed that we need parent node to not keep on resetting the trickle timer all the time on hearing DIS. I am not sure we discussed about sending a multicast DIS to reset a given parent's Trickle. Or may be I didn't get it correctly. Can you please elaborate? Thanks > > > > Can we enhance Solicited Information option to add a flag to identify giv= en parent=E2=80=99s address as following? > > > > 0 1 2 3 > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | Type =3D 0x07 |Opt Length =3D 19| RPLInstanceID |V|I|D|P| Flag= s | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > | | > > + + > > | | > > + DODAGID + > > | | > > + + > > | | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > |Version Number | Parent Address (16bytes) | > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ + > > + + > > | | > > + + > > | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > P flag: One Bit, indicates DIS request response from given parent > > > > > > Best regards, > > Li > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Tue Nov 19 02:32:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E7D11200C7 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:31:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aKffJT1hN4w9 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x92f.google.com (mail-ua1-x92f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CECD1200D5 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:31:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x92f.google.com with SMTP id i31so6326259uae.13 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:31:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=niUqIVL3jgzh8yj7xys1sHlQfrRbDwSErqNrTd8+j4E=; b=bH25K2VmeGVHyGIyxJKkHq/ZC606MFYWeeIQUt6sCuYGtsonpbHnnchiH8+j5j7XSo bZAkRChKsWBy6WmsSDaGe8uPEEPxZtKYuSUIXfxEWuWOvWsj6tEqulfNM6hPIZ2JmT4c DCpxDnizCIxR1Q8PZW1NjGsdYKjYidbCFKCLb4Se13KK+vrW3WQeoxBFZseygXrxbzd/ mvaYy1+POT9NFoq4yRI4VvpOdhIb9BfTBGenk0CzZT3h7Hb/pGYqbA+gjRA1BKLbgTYn 7ziCt3tcQViHET5QwDwVSiFLxyfktIaCRt57GAAnwV13i2gJVwpXK7idxtyhjl8hXTJL pUkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=niUqIVL3jgzh8yj7xys1sHlQfrRbDwSErqNrTd8+j4E=; b=eekh+LDgdZf682PIR9sHyskZN+lCoBP8ixUxErl76uYYZ4xZaoz4N3a+PVRVO1uDUe vuiu16lKYe96ddSl1Q6dQygmkjBZ614nfC9gGSWZjKRFMWMX8nltOsHTigU33/5BJjo4 sbSXAWKRRn+epFKNTZbi2+TBwdD2BPEoluAukYZ+IYux9Fh6qt4ylAN4HTKQiAQT1PaP eKRWOB5KGj8E7syKWM9eOfQybXe7aTCBKc8A8pJSNZgvmV6zc4cYyba4uWU1R3C8iMtX CTwesibRU2Kgce7IgTnSV8f6k6PZI+EyN2fpnlRxbwIvpZOr8/+I3hQx6CVqh5fDYlRR Mb7A== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUNORDzcHDR94TqZxxXxl2xaOaK72Z9YCoMKL/2JhcJAq7oW5X4 DvSpsWq3p2T/NusupV0RsuPp1pt9ppeohgTjgb3KWVjU X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzM1doJ4ydEhEAiSs0QgcSt4rFCjHqSswgJdU81lJlHFMFzXukPYwqytoyvYVP1m75ARDxM+LoPg2t4jh5fgSs= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:661a:: with SMTP id r26mr20588740uam.59.1574159513054; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:31:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:31:42 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] new text in the turn-on draft X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:31:59 -0000 The text essentially frees up the bit for RPLv2 (unless needed). Works for me. Thank you. On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 14:18, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Dear all > > > > As discussed this morning we need text to restrict the =E2=80=98T=E2=80= =99 flag to be defined only for RPLv1. > > > > Proposed updated text: > > > > . Updating RFC 6550 > > > > RPL defines a configuration option that is registered to IANA in > > section 20.14. of [RFC6550]. This specification defines a new flag > > "Enable RFC8138 Compression" (T) that is encoded in one of the > > reserved control bits in the option. The new flag is set to turn on > > the use of the compression of RPL artifacts with RFC 8138. > > Section 6.3.1. of [RFC6550] defines a 3-bit Mode of Operation (MOP) > > in the DIO Base Object. The new "T" flag is defined only for MOP > > value between 0 to 6. For a MOP value of 7, the flag MAY indicate > > something different and MUST NOT be interpreted as "Enable RFC8138 > > Compression" unless the specification of the MOP indicates to do so. > > > > Does that work? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Tue Nov 19 02:46:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A36120921 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:46:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXBaCxj1jhJb for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com (mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e2f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79AEC120C1F for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:46:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe2f.google.com with SMTP id c25so13869013vsp.0 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:46:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5/NOPApTRBwaTyKRKxGXQ971H1BIppWdjiLNMsXtY7U=; b=iXrjCS/VvmARhC2muBhlUCgylg08GFP23A2qfCH6fB1BYSTHGVV0lygnW5Vl2KV9AU 5SCSuOERptjznJ8nYaAnfWqVtIgUiz9q5gBfpeIbByi57xZequdc+E2iu8eWYF+2f/qG /WZqkek/QaNqvmuC9SQqEwzaaG4iYAxPet8jUAwsCXPWr8UvNkjZA85gu5J4yWiuC1eG iP1iJEdMOErTg6kHZX5KCoEpLbZhlyTCxyz+WrniOz3eYKUJodM9ixDoh6umVf4sxtMF o8r6K3DxRJ21prMfgVhPfM0J5FCD3HhIB/snXyIawgXT4PsHhdq/KXWjtuNyRe7BFamu pBDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5/NOPApTRBwaTyKRKxGXQ971H1BIppWdjiLNMsXtY7U=; b=MIWR3azd+s1Afk1R+nqT2gZ7U6pDzC5gSKj2J4OaFJDVBmYOt99a74J9wre+b+dzLB H37w1FgCli2CeL+w9IjAmqpo7twcpFYOXfzRualJlBg9MNB1fqhKaGMcGfPpji/P3GH6 EtV+CwgNiiWq1YfVQNb3tdJSHDdPNEvEgICBUCn1/KvxtT6EQsf6c4YyQfR94dVRgNKM pLUbWBHmv00czGtxnulv/+oMxib8aen5/QhPwmt2IpWj0GyuxgSaOXzBX80mZutXSuRL mQ2oQeM3wHEc/a2xFNU3c7LEDRafFlFV5Lf94ywjpgJOQxgt4/89zcI8QyxZhkXsABCW Dj/Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW9aRN5jS40o8mH0ZyUDQsIt1g0dneUPN+DGSgMdiZHFy6Q8vkT olt76IcdTl8dMw35MHrA38cDG0cRrHgWEohS4xoay9UIFYY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwqdRR2wcqDO9M9OVUSBNNW86tNbhID+R411urxTD2HzxOSLhFrqi+ZmrO1DJ9xmAflQKI6PgsW+X1qsT2RIog= X-Received: by 2002:a67:f708:: with SMTP id m8mr21370410vso.173.1574160369293; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 02:46:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:45:58 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] MOPex CAPs splitup X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 10:46:15 -0000 Hello All, During IETF106 we discussed splitting up MOPex and capabilities, reasons have been: 1. MOPex and capabilities are not dependent on each other 2. Capabilities draft may take a while for WGLC, while MOPex can be shipped sooner. Please let us know of your opinions. The following is the link for the separated draft. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jadhav-roll-mopex/ Reviews are highly appreciated. Thanks, Rahul From nobody Tue Nov 19 03:50:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 841011208ED for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:50:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJ6FiThu7q1c for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x235.google.com (mail-oi1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 294941208C7 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:50:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x235.google.com with SMTP id l20so18581239oie.10 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:50:27 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=e48NDTIEafQLIqn6rtNXIeiF/SkasQINHuxjGcN6Mm0=; b=MjJL/F+q+LV4r3vg7RMU/NAlqhsJK1fblKnouyPShXX5LQlpcjso5Ghx2wBaVLZlYN 29W2MoUkjNfJnplN4pCaX5hfWus0BxXZWVBpaX1agQUBTR+v6t9+WS8iKCbmOZkfjDbY o1mQJv7gM/NryHolsmxQdYEmXG2VbnNDpO15Y872eMjagL0h1DtB8DCI1gft3jAbwASX Q0vD2YwpFH7ZGJKcZ98btyK+DPgJfKQGdB/L4sNcv712yLpCpq5JtowrNeZP0pHlk85m piVlYxkaAOfxzaWaHIPO9i6sWHfnjBm0sUy0rWsUbkTEIEHOXl2W81NJIThROFTbmFMZ VzLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=e48NDTIEafQLIqn6rtNXIeiF/SkasQINHuxjGcN6Mm0=; b=OB1CyFIttQA9bMIFIpIaNxtcIqmznTpbOF9sJ4Kt3FpVgkE81QXiYjuqbZZn2WB7JY NP7jne8wQK9GVp+jMx9o8lh0euSrCUo9Oyxfb5Nw1j58ZNOVXzhnSSA08a6gFAgo9jUM O2ei0yrs5t1T4Z6Pl49awTnmVMguKeCLCXPnKx70DLBg33TBgj1RvVgQTH7bKAG+L4mZ obIa92lz7wl1ToporLpN16nEKbCAV1pFGYPGcmHtooFRaiXthdGD/jcnBeppiCTeo5XH W4/8s4LUTp3ioqQG6t5EXYQlGYKsJVyqgNmBa9FEq83uZjNjUtYya9NE3TtiQay+iOv3 wKVw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWkkWH00xEZYUNK56QYzdG3MlkolQn6/fISylPC3hBcIyFveRYH qJl6Q46xeogoqUASaVKdTKKDYD9Dl0QyME+UFv7tlkG5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwYI0OTsYtEonvAz5d9fjnZy/0leuH8plUw6l4IpbdQ9NmdElvTLsZZlUwzzSVAgJ23U/s+x7JQL7oYRzuIpHE= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:d:: with SMTP id u13mr3736413oic.155.1574164226193; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:50:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <12892.1574157510@dooku.sandelman.ca> In-Reply-To: <12892.1574157510@dooku.sandelman.ca> From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:50:14 -0300 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000854c3a0597b1ab81" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WG Adoption for turnon-8138 at IETF 106 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:50:29 -0000 --000000000000854c3a0597b1ab81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also agree on adoption of turnon-8138 Le mar. 19 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 06:58, Michael Richardson a =C3=A9crit : > > I have read turnon-8138 and I agree with adopting it. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Profesor Asociado Escuela de Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunicaciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa - Universidad Diego Portales - Chile www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --000000000000854c3a0597b1ab81 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also agree on adoption of turnon-8138

Le=C2=A0mar. 19 nov= . 2019 =C3=A0=C2=A006:58, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

I have read turnon-8138 and I agree with adopting it.

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Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:18:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.0.73.55] (unknown [132.147.98.37]) by zproxy110.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 714938229E for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:18:16 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: <948305BB-331F-419B-A9DE-82234688DC4B@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 22:18:11 +0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <948305BB-331F-419B-A9DE-82234688DC4B@cisco.com> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOPex CAPs splitup X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 14:18:25 -0000 +1 Georgios > On Nov 19, 2019, at 22:09, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: >=20 > I fully agree with the split, and suggest we quickly handle mopext as = the infrastructure for RPLv2 >=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Pascal >=20 >> Le 19 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 18:46, Rahul Jadhav a = =C3=A9crit : >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFHello All, >>=20 >> During IETF106 we discussed splitting up MOPex and capabilities, >> reasons have been: >> 1. MOPex and capabilities are not dependent on each other >> 2. Capabilities draft may take a while for WGLC, while MOPex can be >> shipped sooner. >>=20 >> Please let us know of your opinions. >>=20 >> The following is the link for the separated draft. >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jadhav-roll-mopex/ >>=20 >> Reviews are highly appreciated. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Rahul >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Tue Nov 19 18:57:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 763791201E0 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:57:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.747 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.747 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6fHI7_U27I2A for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd2d.google.com (mail-io1-xd2d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 139BA1200B8 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:57:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd2d.google.com with SMTP id s3so25933752ioe.3 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:57:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=mSQHV0afwe+ULIarCh6GpYsgyxTtki7tuXlLGJa/GI0=; b=S7tP4RDbG0gpuYa0hRho8O3qjwrBZJeyI2z3kc5EPwMgi46jssE7WrE6YY62iW1+iB 9Q0MRxonywaczqv7F6ho69jw3e45mcuibWEb5mPXhcm4YIjDjAbdC78hD1gLGadPQhmZ Klh6rznJ5d4ycRRsSXG0eOVGizxNY9TFvnRj3jSolSM/w81gyeH9Uagz4dzMOWwDwi/t ETOZpAx1Kb2YH8tQpYAzsV5aEyCbIZOmqXqM4T0jGA/obDAYpJbmgPwAY/iJhh3RvX8O 8zIugtmIh6i0rmaGegXcA4W2M31lkTI3LqBQV3NQfH4zl4iYofC5IdvHdZJbbIeep/IB 7ypw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=mSQHV0afwe+ULIarCh6GpYsgyxTtki7tuXlLGJa/GI0=; b=HXq82M+SouqNtZyacjxqqwIESfzAyQFAvL09IJhrHSBZKyVtBUIogtbpE2EmtgVtaT SnQjsMupptU6bJhrXUQm5sPqJFgg/CM6GxFTqBusfaY/ba7cE+RFxJvjYIaJVDNxhJ8U xKOpQmvNyKV/1/yfZg2RxEoTEg5ghWsFCJjcMrLc/6tmeJbRyWh3Qqf+2KOEiaAZhCqk wpAgUNeWsVGLRDnf5YXF5JwBiecEN56KnTvvg9fcTGnTFeJ570OLQmKGeKJM3qj4b/UL hNYQ8IdNcBgp1XMVlr+5aUbSI+DWJbTY5zhc9oPKtPijK0EqHOrh88GECusahguho69A R1xA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW/aWvRXYT4Bxgn/UiDQL1GoooftK0abSPZ+cnIwVZ/xUTJIRFl BO71p3vbMwhujWs5ljCiYkVPmk4Bq6ESMBpvlKv171GB X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqymXZfTE80aNST03DqhU+IL8gl28NF9jawmlG4dtZMbX2iOIJZGS+iicm77zqs55lmlTmXcYX6MTDfHFriYapM= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:f60f:: with SMTP id n15mr199835ioh.263.1574218668152; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:57:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: rabi narayan sahoo Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 08:27:36 +0530 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000839aac0597be5869" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOPex CAPs splitup X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 02:57:50 -0000 --000000000000839aac0597be5869 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I am Sorry i was unable to attend the sessions remotely. I do agree with the split. MOPEx and Capabilities should be two separate draft. For capabilities i have a suggestion. We can split the capabilities into two different categories. 1-- Network Capabilities (Global) . Capabilities, those all nodes in the network need to support to act as a LR. Ex support of SRH Compression 2-- Node Specific capabilities (Local). Ex. NBR Cache size, route table size, DAO Projection etc This will help us to identify which capabilities should be disseminated through out the network and which shouldn't. Thanks Rabi On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:16 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Hello All, > > During IETF106 we discussed splitting up MOPex and capabilities, > reasons have been: > 1. MOPex and capabilities are not dependent on each other > 2. Capabilities draft may take a while for WGLC, while MOPex can be > shipped sooner. > > Please let us know of your opinions. > > The following is the link for the separated draft. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jadhav-roll-mopex/ > > Reviews are highly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000839aac0597be5869 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am Sorry=C2=A0 i was unable to attend the sessions = remotely.=C2=A0
I do agree with the split. MOPEx and Capabili= ties should be two separate draft.
For capabilities i have a = suggestion. We can split the capabilities=C2=A0into two different=C2=A0cate= gories.
1-- Network Capabilities (Global) . Capabilities, those a= ll nodes in the network need to support to act as a LR. Ex support of SRH C= ompression
2-- Node Specific capabilities (Local). Ex. NBR Cache = size, route table size, DAO Projection etc

This wi= ll help us to identify which capabilities should be disseminated through ou= t the network and which shouldn't.=C2=A0

Thank= s
Rabi

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 4:16 PM Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
H= ello All,

During IETF106 we discussed splitting up MOPex and capabilities,
reasons have been:
1. MOPex and capabilities are not dependent on each other
2. Capabilities draft may take a while for WGLC, while MOPex can be
shipped sooner.

Please let us know of your opinions.

The following is the link for the separated draft.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ja= dhav-roll-mopex/

Reviews are highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rahul

_______________________________________________
Roll mailing list
Roll@ietf.org
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Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] DIS for given parent in draft-thubert-roll-eliding-dio-information X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 03:51:44 -0000 Thanks Li for elaborating. Regarding the warm boot use-case you mentioned, the nodes certainly do not know whether they have individually rebooted or rebooted because of mass-outage. What I don't get is, if the child node already knows who the parent is why would it want to reset its Trickle timer? On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 11:31, Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > Hello Rahul, > > This is about " we need other nodes sending DIS to backoff on hearing oth= er node's DIS ". > The use case is for warm boot case when hundreds of nodes power outage at= the same time. > 1. Child nodes send DIS to inform given parent to reset its trickle. (uni= cast or multicast DIS both work) > 2. Child nodes suppress or backoff sibling nodes' DIS. Only multicast DIS= works. > And we need enhance Solicited Information option to identify this kin= d of DIS. > > > Best regards, > Li > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2019/11/19, 18:20, "Roll on behalf of Rahul Jadhav" wrote: > > Hi Li, > > What is the use-case where the child node needs to inform the parent > to reset its trickle unilaterally when it already knows the parent's > address? > Please find my comments below. > > Best, > Rahul > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > As we discussed today, there is a requirement that node sends out m= ulticast DIS to only reset given parent=E2=80=99s Trickle. > > [RJ] We discussed today that we need other nodes sending DIS to > backoff on hearing other node's DIS. We also discussed that we need > parent node to not keep on resetting the trickle timer all the time o= n > hearing DIS. > I am not sure we discussed about sending a multicast DIS to reset a > given parent's Trickle. Or may be I didn't get it correctly. Can you > please elaborate? Thanks > > > > > > > > > Can we enhance Solicited Information option to add a flag to identi= fy given parent=E2=80=99s address as following? > > > > > > > > 0 1 2 = 3 > > > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9= 0 1 > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+ > > > > | Type =3D 0x07 |Opt Length =3D 19| RPLInstanceID |V|I|D|P= | Flags | > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+ > > > > | = | > > > > + = + > > > > | = | > > > > + DODAGID = + > > > > | = | > > > > + = + > > > > | = | > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+ > > > > |Version Number | Parent Address (16bytes) = | > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = + > > > > + = + > > > > | = | > > > > + = + > > > > | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+ > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > P flag: One Bit, indicates DIS request response from given parent > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Li > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Tue Nov 19 22:15:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7274C1202DD for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 22:14:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.436 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kmVe7ZyFjwz8 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 22:14:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay.sandelman.ca (relay.cooperix.net [IPv6:2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:feae:de77]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F1AB51200F1 for ; Tue, 19 Nov 2019 22:14:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from dooku.sandelman.ca (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:128:7c10:daff:fe4a:c7a8]) by relay.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 06C101F450 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 06:14:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by dooku.sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 7C9A6FD7; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:14:53 +0800 (+08) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-reply-to: References: Comments: In-reply-to Rahul Jadhav message dated "Tue, 19 Nov 2019 17:06:22 +0800." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 24.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:14:53 +0800 Message-ID: <10088.1574230493@dooku.sandelman.ca> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOP 7 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 06:14:58 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rahul Jadhav wrote: Pascal> Yesterday we said that if MOP is 7 then the MOPext is expected Pascal> else the packet is dropped. An alternate could be to say that if Pascal> MOP is 7 in the DIO and the MOPext is not present then the MOP = is Pascal> non-storing, since this is the most widely used mode in constra= ined networks.=20 > [RJ] The advantage, I assume, is that not having MOPex will save bytes > in the DIO for the common case. This would result in three > representations for non-storing MOP: > a. base MOP =3D 1 ... RPLv1 > b. base MOP =3D 7 ... without MOPex ... RPLv2 > c. base MOP =3D 7 ... MOPex =3D 7 ... RPLv2 > For the sake of simplicity, I would prefer to mandatorily use MOPex if > MOP=3D7. Simplicity I refer to is, Base MOP =3D 7 would mean, go check > MOPex value. I agree. Pascal> We also said that a MOP of 7 means RPLv2, which packages new Pascal> support we are defining. Q is what=E2=80=99s mandatory and what= =E2=80=99s Pascal> optional. I think that we are working on MOPex because we are concerned about running out, and we want to establish the rules for extending things early on. But, I don't think that we need to rush to defining "RPLv2": which I think would imply that CAP would provide the useful info. =2D-=20 ] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh network= s [=20 ] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect= [=20 ] mcr@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails = [=20 =09 --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEERK+9HEcJHTJ9UqTMlUzhVv38QpAFAl3U2d0ACgkQlUzhVv38 QpD3oQf9H1fGMuz6xAafLXtTSQUlgXnZfHUKFbxPYu7jP0RkHKz5vdUSn5k7tiKn a2vxD8z+CUiUSF1m6h2aZkvjsHchsN7UL6pq7KVl7tz7RbCDuQzXqFEMtwXTI8zH rUyQYxKDPYjiJQ0F6R1oD9khMKSgifuuJle/YyII8OQfQvTP/xt8Qgod9X715cri HIZ6yQ+sDwsHa78NIVP8wNRMmrxS7Q0Bdej54qoTbjaIWuRfg73CdkvV/r/DG3Pk KF7AdYG9k1vBxvex932cvYAY4PGxc+gmB1Dx/Rih6GkyB78aedHFi3F2AfcUj6mN p1KogajgJj27KwTu5DtLHxzE/hFfOw== =6pxQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Nov 20 01:26:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B168D120AC3 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:25:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25vgeLQoCYME for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x230.google.com (mail-oi1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 37ADB120AC1 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:25:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x230.google.com with SMTP id j7so21879554oib.3 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:25:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail-udp-cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WGUi/+09DsUWpx+iswkhvr6P6sG/O/0TnofukdPCjyc=; b=HaYYRgfS5/NaW/zxKQ7LJKCEAij/a69hpFHXwkpeQCBtlACfvXmC9brWExwU+Xz25i jYDFtb5kyQaRcrmJGVTfg3m+JHb/arKLS7tSek9qhDgzE9Kxl9WO4ZDXETbJ50tIt5Me DOc9m3RSebxKzzz63IPO97N0gIBE4UPvV97hkEtQOUP3aJufgpUxjXV3Mq6gxDrjX6tv uF/0EU38+MKAVo6P577rESulewyWOxLkUWbQARsyKU77PneqqWbOoQn02NrOR9/ECiSW t3Wgv++0DPnQ6XiEuPqPaEBxCJEjac0x+T0Y612N81b1ltu1wmJjWJ2e/DtbUoqTSnE5 9V+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=WGUi/+09DsUWpx+iswkhvr6P6sG/O/0TnofukdPCjyc=; b=W9gJSXQhwS+PKWmCT7iLE7MFulQZO8rHWg+9JtulBaKJE51+wJYKejnmMX6YhbHGAb QL0bCQFJqXlqxKBw8Ln72aLSRZ8cfinvXUNgVwolh05UGB08/GHw+IuVfIY2QVzKalu6 B9EPUECsghQZ4k5iPWsmOQPtAwkOwEqYnjOh7WCBDDGV/0EBuqH6mYcNqYOmTMoymfe1 bdobIAsi8H3aRyJ6+mFL0fU7rF4rPRlfJNAGWFTD8T9jo9lGkcYHCSycsPj6ni0IGLds XXIX5SrLtlSNmAspU32ZLv0pjgAz27zyHmsJ8N4J9/I1kZD6Rf2Ic3wFI5bktVrxOPbp viAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXHkDRkiGkUL3ec8oveCr6JR9QJKY0HeiPdFTvSqGy7cISApKmd VcEUWSfFSVJuz44Si3M6wrnbjQS4KBGj3ULHtPzhBIZU X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzJ9e1GHoppyyAKyUX+Cd4cMeIXT/ARFzjXmcek1TasRV/JCE3tMl4RzL/HBHbWXPeflhVYMdRZzPLEV5091KA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:2c1:: with SMTP id a1mr1815387oid.66.1574241954116; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:25:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <4422_1572425152_5DB94DC0_4422_62_1_D9DF0C50.6B281%dominique.barthel@orange.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 06:25:42 -0300 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007746e30597c3c424" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?WGLC_for_=E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension?= =?utf-8?q?-05?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 09:25:59 -0000 --0000000000007746e30597c3c424 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I agree on the WGLC for this draft. Regards, Diego El lun., 18 de noviembre de 2019 22:21, Ines Robles escribi=C3=B3: > Dear all, > > This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05. > > Please let us know your opinion by 03 december. > > Thank you, > > Ines, Dominique and Peter > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >> The draft is available here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >> Thank you very much in advance, >> >> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >> >> ________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confi= dentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I agree on the WGLC for this draft.
Regards,

=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Diego

El lun., 18 de noviembre de 2019 22:21, Ines Robles &= lt;mariainesrobles=3D40g= ooglemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> escribi=C3=B3:
Dear all,

=
This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.

Please let us know your opinion by 03 december.

Thank you,

Ines, Dominique and Peter

On= Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM <dominique..barthel@orange.com<= /a>> wrote:
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Papadopoulos" To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks References: <4422_1572425152_5DB94DC0_4422_62_1_D9DF0C50.6B281%dominique.barthel@orange.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?WGLC_for_=E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension?= =?utf-8?q?-05?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:02:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C1227244-0DE1-4321-B365-AA6A772E033D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all,=20 I support the adoption of this draft.=20 Minor comment: */ "depending on the specific variant of CA OF used" -> "depending on = the specific variant of CA OF used (cf. section 3.1 to 3.3)" Best regards, Fabrice > Le 19 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 02:20, Ines Robles = a =C3=A9crit : >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05. >=20 > Please let us know your opinion by 03 december. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Ines, Dominique and Peter >=20 > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM > wrote: > Dear all, >=20 > A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04. > The draft is available here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ = =20 > Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for = publication and send comments to the list stating your view. > Thank you very much in advance, >=20 > Ines, Peter and Dominique. >=20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, = deforme ou falsifie. Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or = privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and = delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have = been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll = > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --Apple-Mail=_C1227244-0DE1-4321-B365-AA6A772E033D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear = all, 

I support = the adoption of this draft. 

Minor comment:

*/ "depending on the = specific variant of CA OF used" -> "depending on the specific variant = of CA OF used (cf. section 3.1 to 3.3)"


Best= regards,
Fabrice


Le 19 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 02:20, Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> a = =C3=A9crit :

Dear = all,

This a WGLC of = the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.

Please let us know your opinion by 03 = december.

Thank = you,

Ines, = Dominique and Peter

On Wed, Oct = 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM <dominique..barthel@orange.com> wrote:
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) = until 11/13 for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ <= /div>
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is = ready for publication and send comments to the list stating your = view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

_______________________________________________________________=
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Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dfbf8c0597c8b3c7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?WGLC_for_=E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension?= =?utf-8?q?-05?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 15:19:14 -0000 --000000000000dfbf8c0597c8b3c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, Apologizes, forgot to say, Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publication and send comments to the list stating your view and whether your support this draft or not. Thank you very much in advance, Ines and Dominique On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:20 AM Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05. > > Please let us know your opinion by 03 december. > > Thank you, > > Ines, Dominique and Peter > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >> The draft is available here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >> Thank you very much in advance, >> >> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Dear all,

Apologizes, = forgot to say,=C2=A0

Please review this draft= to see if you think that it is ready for publication and send comments to = the list stating your view and whether your support this draft or not.=C2= =A0

Thank you very much in advance,

Ines and Dominique

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:20 AM Ines Roble= s <mariainesrobles@goo= glemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

T= his a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.

Please let us know your opinion by 03 december.

= Thank you,

Ines, Dominique and Peter
On Wed, = Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM <dominique.barthel@orange.com> wrote:
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/=C2=A0
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

______________________________________________________________________=
___________________________________________________

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Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou =
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Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 02:03:49 -0000 Please find my comments below. On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 09:03, Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > Hello Rahul, > > Node can store preferred parent's info when outage. [RJ] Storing parent info in persistent storage seems costly. But let's go with this premise for this discussion. > But after reboot, it still need DIO from this parent to confirm whether t= his parent is alive. Because parent may be outage too. [RJ] In case of outage if the child node sends multicast DIS with the parent address, the parent node itself may not have attached to the network and may be still trying. So the DIS may have to be repeated till the point where parent node is attached as well. All the other nodes would be trying to do the same with their DIS as well. > Reset trickle timer can let parent inform all children and accelerate the= network recovery. Otherwise, all nodes need to run unicast DIS request and= unicast DIO response. It wastes too much of time. [RJ] If we let the trickle time reset then we wouldn't be solving the problem. Let me give an example: a. Assume 20 nodes using parent P b. there's an outage c. all 20 nodes sending DIS(with P address) and resetting P's trickle timer= . P keeps on resetting the trickle because of high child density and never is able to dole out DIO. > > Does it make sense? [RJ] It is good to know the options assuming that the preferred parent is stored in persistent storage. But making design choices based on this (use of storage) assumption may not be the right way. Note that there could be multiple preferred parents and the parent info is much more dynamic and thus may require frequent updates to persistent storage. > > Best regards, > Li > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2019/11/20, 11:52, "Roll on behalf of Rahul Jadhav" wrote: > > Thanks Li for elaborating. > > Regarding the warm boot use-case you mentioned, the nodes certainly d= o > not know whether they have individually rebooted or rebooted because > of mass-outage. > What I don't get is, if the child node already knows who the parent i= s > why would it want to reset its Trickle timer? > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 11:31, Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > > > Hello Rahul, > > > > This is about " we need other nodes sending DIS to backoff on heari= ng other node's DIS ". > > The use case is for warm boot case when hundreds of nodes power out= age at the same time. > > 1. Child nodes send DIS to inform given parent to reset its trickle= . (unicast or multicast DIS both work) > > 2. Child nodes suppress or backoff sibling nodes' DIS. Only multica= st DIS works. > > And we need enhance Solicited Information option to identify th= is kind of DIS. > > > > > > Best regards, > > Li > > > > On 2019/11/19, 18:20, "Roll on behalf of Rahul Jadhav" wrote: > > > > Hi Li, > > > > What is the use-case where the child node needs to inform the p= arent > > to reset its trickle unilaterally when it already knows the par= ent's > > address? > > Please find my comments below. > > > > Best, > > Rahul > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, Li Zhao (liz3) w= rote: > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > As we discussed today, there is a requirement that node sends= out multicast DIS to only reset given parent=E2=80=99s Trickle. > > > > [RJ] We discussed today that we need other nodes sending DIS to > > backoff on hearing other node's DIS. We also discussed that we = need > > parent node to not keep on resetting the trickle timer all the = time on > > hearing DIS. > > I am not sure we discussed about sending a multicast DIS to res= et a > > given parent's Trickle. Or may be I didn't get it correctly. Ca= n you > > please elaborate? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we enhance Solicited Information option to add a flag to = identify given parent=E2=80=99s address as following? > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 1 2 = 3 > > > > > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6= 7 8 9 0 1 > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > | Type =3D 0x07 |Opt Length =3D 19| RPLInstanceID |V= |I|D|P| Flags | > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > | = | > > > > > > + = + > > > > > > | = | > > > > > > + DODAGID = + > > > > > > | = | > > > > > > + = + > > > > > > | = | > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > |Version Number | Parent Address (16bytes) = | > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ = + > > > > > > + = + > > > > > > | = | > > > > > > + = + > > > > > > | -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-= +-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > > > > > P flag: One Bit, indicates DIS request response from given pa= rent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Li > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roll mailing list > > > Roll@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll From nobody Wed Nov 20 18:24:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D7FF12090C for ; 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Wed, 20 Nov 2019 18:24:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:24:06 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008a11a20597d1fe7f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOPex CAPs splitup X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 02:24:21 -0000 --0000000000008a11a20597d1fe7f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > For capabilities i have a suggestion. We can split the capabilities into two different categories. > 1-- Network Capabilities (Global) . Capabilities, those all nodes in the network need to support to act as an LR. Ex support of SRH Compression > 2-- Node Specific capabilities (Local). Ex. NBR Cache size, route table size, DAO Projection, etc > > This will help us to identify which capabilities should be disseminated throughout the network and which shouldn't. > Thanks, Rabi for the suggestion. And yes you are right, Global vs local differentiation needs to be done and the eliding-dio-information draft already has differentiated handling for global cap option. The same needs to be clarified in the cap-draft. Would it be possible for you to propose the text for the cap-draft as you see fit as a PR on GitHub repo? I have added an issue in GitHub repo for this. --0000000000008a11a20597d1fe7f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



> For capabilities i have a suggestion. We = can split the capabilities into two different categories.
> 1-- Netwo= rk Capabilities (Global) . Capabilities, those all nodes in the network nee= d to support to act as an LR. Ex support of SRH Compression
> 2-- Nod= e Specific capabilities (Local). Ex. NBR Cache size, route table size, DAO = Projection, etc
>
> This will help us to identify which capabil= ities should be disseminated throughout the network and which shouldn't= .
>

Thanks, Rabi for the suggestion. And yes you are right, Gl= obal vs local differentiation needs to be done and the eliding-dio-informat= ion draft already has differentiated handling for global cap option. The sa= me needs to be clarified in the cap-draft.
Would it be possible for you= to propose the text for the cap-draft as you see fit as a PR on GitHub rep= o?
I have added an issue=C2=A0in GitHub repo for this.
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SMTP id n15mr5628891ioh.263.1574305309332; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 19:01:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: rabi narayan sahoo Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:31:36 +0530 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bb1a1a0597d2847d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOPex CAPs splitup X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 03:01:52 -0000 --000000000000bb1a1a0597d2847d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Rahul ok i will write it and share the initial draft in the github.. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:54 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > > > > > For capabilities i have a suggestion. We can split the capabilities into > two different categories. > > 1-- Network Capabilities (Global) . Capabilities, those all nodes in the > network need to support to act as an LR. Ex support of SRH Compression > > 2-- Node Specific capabilities (Local). Ex. NBR Cache size, route table > size, DAO Projection, etc > > > > This will help us to identify which capabilities should be disseminated > throughout the network and which shouldn't.. > > > > Thanks, Rabi for the suggestion. And yes you are right, Global vs local > differentiation needs to be done and the eliding-dio-information draft > already has differentiated handling for global cap option. The same needs > to be clarified in the cap-draft. > Would it be possible for you to propose the text for the cap-draft as you > see fit as a PR on GitHub repo? > I have added an issue in > GitHub repo for this. > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000bb1a1a0597d2847d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Rahul
ok i will write it and share the initial draf= t in the github..

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:54 AM Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
<= br>

> For capabilities i have a suggestion. We can split the capa= bilities into two different categories.
> 1-- Network Capabilities (G= lobal) . Capabilities, those all nodes in the network need to support to ac= t as an LR. Ex support of SRH Compression
> 2-- Node Specific capabil= ities (Local). Ex. NBR Cache size, route table size, DAO Projection, etc>
> This will help us to identify which capabilities should be di= sseminated throughout the network and which shouldn't..
>

= Thanks, Rabi for the suggestion. And yes you are right, Global vs local dif= ferentiation needs to be done and the eliding-dio-information draft already= has differentiated handling for global cap option. The same needs to be cl= arified in the cap-draft.
Would it be possible for you to propose the t= ext for the cap-draft as you see fit as a PR on GitHub repo?
I ha= ve added an issue=C2=A0in GitHub repo for this.
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Only DIO is using the Trickle timer currently. Is the proposition also to use Trickle for DIS? Li's proposal for using parent address in multicast DIS is interesting. But there are scenarios which concern me: 1. When other nodes attached to the same parent (P) hear multicast DIS(parent=3DP) then they are supposed to back off. What happens if the nod= e who gets to multicast on the air is no more in the direct vicinity of the parent node but other nodes are. The other nodes, in this case, will back off on hearing DIS(parent=3DP) and will delay joining. 2. The handling of DIS becomes more complicated because the node cannot indefinitely back off and at some point in time needs to start sending its own DIS. This results in managing DIS state over a period of time. Current DIS handling is very simple. Best, Rahul On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 10:47, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Rahul > > This proposal is an alternate to the proposal of using a multicast addres= s > that is derived from the parent address that we discussed at the meeting. > Basically after a power outage and with the premise that the nodes can > store the RPL state before the outage, the network can reform more quickl= y > with mostly the shape it had before. > > What really hurts is the tempest of DIS messages. It interferes with the > reformation of the network. Those should be cancelled out with a trickle > mechanism. If a node hears DIS messages around, it should refrain from > sending it own. RPL does not discuss that aspect. If the parent is not > awaken or is gone, the trickle mechanism will exponentially back off the > retries till the point where the child reparents anyway. > > In this case we want the DIS to be multicast and the other (candidate) > children to process it. We should define the trickle Imin of DIS to be > longer than that of DIO, so when all nodes reboot there's a chance that > DIOs are heard before DIS are. > > One desired outcome in that case is that the DIO is responded multicast > and arrives soon, which is the case with a multicast DIS. So the particul= ar > case does not need a change in the DIS bits that we are still considering > for other reasons. > > On top of trickling the DIS, the ask here is to specify the specific > parent that answers. But we do not want to send a unicast packet to the > parent because the other candidate children would miss the DIS. So Li's > proposal here is to add that as a filter in the SIO. > > Comparing the 2 proposals: > - the SIO enables to ask from more than one parent by placing more than > one address. Also it is simpler if MLD is not implemented > - the multicast address enables the parents to list their children using > MLD. > > We also need to clarify what resetting trickle mean. If I goes back to > Imin, you need to restart the timer as well because it would timeout out = of > bounds. But if it is already Imin, the timer as it is running is already > compatible so it should not be restarted. This way the DIO flies quickly. > > If a node does not have persistent storage then it will not specify a > parent. The overall trickling stuff remains critically important. The > difference is the consistency check, all DIS are consistent with one > another. > > Does that clarify? > > Pascal > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav > > Sent: jeudi 21 novembre 2019 10:04 > > To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > > Subject: Re: [Roll] DIS for given parent in > draft-thubert-roll-eliding-dio- > > information > > > > Please find my comments below. > > > > On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 09:03, Li Zhao (liz3) wrote: > > > > > > Hello Rahul, > > > > > > Node can store preferred parent's info when outage. > > > > [RJ] Storing parent info in persistent storage seems costly. But let's > go with > > this premise for this discussion. > > > > > But after reboot, it still need DIO from this parent to confirm > whether this > > parent is alive. Because parent may be outage too. > > > > [RJ] In case of outage if the child node sends multicast DIS with the > parent > > address, the parent node itself may not have attached to the network an= d > may > > be still trying. So the DIS may have to be repeated till the point wher= e > parent > > node is attached as well. All the other nodes would be trying to do the > same > > with their DIS as well. > > > > > Reset trickle timer can let parent inform all children and accelerate > the > > network recovery. Otherwise, all nodes need to run unicast DIS request > and > > unicast DIO response. It wastes too much of time. > > > > [RJ] If we let the trickle time reset then we wouldn't be solving the > problem. > > Let me give an example: > > a. Assume 20 nodes using parent P > > b. there's an outage > > c. all 20 nodes sending DIS(with P address) and resetting P's trickle > timer. > > P keeps on resetting the trickle because of high child density and neve= r > is able > > to dole out DIO. > > > > > > > > Does it make sense? > > > > [RJ] It is good to know the options assuming that the preferred parent = is > > stored in persistent storage. But making design choices based on this > (use of > > storage) assumption may not be the right way. Note that there could be > > multiple preferred parents and the parent info is much more dynamic and > > thus may require frequent updates to persistent storage. > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Li > > > > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 2019/11/20, 11:52, "Roll on behalf of Rahul Jadhav" > bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Li for elaborating. > > > > > > Regarding the warm boot use-case you mentioned, the nodes > certainly do > > > not know whether they have individually rebooted or rebooted > because > > > of mass-outage. > > > What I don't get is, if the child node already knows who the > parent is > > > why would it want to reset its Trickle timer? > > > > > > On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 11:31, Li Zhao (liz3) > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello Rahul, > > > > > > > > This is about " we need other nodes sending DIS to backoff on > hearing > > other node's DIS ". > > > > The use case is for warm boot case when hundreds of nodes power > > outage at the same time. > > > > 1. Child nodes send DIS to inform given parent to reset its > trickle. > > (unicast or multicast DIS both work) > > > > 2. Child nodes suppress or backoff sibling nodes' DIS. Only > multicast DIS > > works. > > > > And we need enhance Solicited Information option to identif= y > this > > kind of DIS. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Li > > > > > > > > On 2019/11/19, 18:20, "Roll on behalf of Rahul Jadhav" > bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Li, > > > > > > > > What is the use-case where the child node needs to inform > the parent > > > > to reset its trickle unilaterally when it already knows the > parent's > > > > address? > > > > Please find my comments below. > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Rahul > > > > > > > > On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at 13:34, Li Zhao (liz3) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As we discussed today, there is a requirement that node > sends out > > multicast DIS to only reset given parent=E2=80=99s Trickle. > > > > > > > > [RJ] We discussed today that we need other nodes sending DI= S > to > > > > backoff on hearing other node's DIS. We also discussed that > we need > > > > parent node to not keep on resetting the trickle timer all > the time on > > > > hearing DIS. > > > > I am not sure we discussed about sending a multicast DIS to > reset a > > > > given parent's Trickle. Or may be I didn't get it correctly= . > Can you > > > > please elaborate? Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Can we enhance Solicited Information option to add a flag > to > > identify given parent=E2=80=99s address as following? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0 1 2 > 3 > > > > > > > > > > 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 2 3 4 > 5 6 7 8 9 0 1 > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > > > > > > > > > | Type =3D 0x07 |Opt Length =3D 19| RPLInstanceI= D > |V|I|D|P| > > Flags | > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > > > > > > > > > | > | > > > > > > > > > > + > + > > > > > > > > > > | > | > > > > > > > > > > + DODAGID > + > > > > > > > > > > | > | > > > > > > > > > > + > + > > > > > > > > > > | > | > > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > + > > > > > > > > > > |Version Number | Parent Address (16bytes) > | > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > + > > > > > > > > > > + > + > > > > > > > > > > | > | > > > > > > > > > > + > + > > > > > > > > > > | > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P flag: One Bit, indicates DIS request response from give= n > parent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > > > Li > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Roll mailing list > > > > > Roll@ietf.org > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Roll mailing list > > > > Roll@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Roll mailing list > > > > Roll@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roll mailing list > > > Roll@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Roll mailing list > > > Roll@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000daea280597d2f636 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,=C2=A0

DIS does not use t= he Trickle timer. Only DIO is using the Trickle timer currently. Is the pro= position also to use Trickle for DIS?

Li's pro= posal for using parent address in multicast DIS is interesting. But there a= re scenarios which concern me:
1. When other nodes attached to th= e same parent (P) hear multicast DIS(parent=3DP) then they are supposed to = back off. What happens if the node who gets to multicast on the air is no m= ore in the direct vicinity of the parent node but other nodes are. The othe= r nodes, in this case, will back off on hearing DIS(parent=3DP) and will de= lay joining.
2. The handling of DIS becomes more complicated beca= use the node cannot indefinitely back off and at some point in time needs t= o start sending its own DIS. This results in managing DIS state over a peri= od of time. Current DIS handling is very simple.

B= est,
Rahul



On Thu, 21 Nov 2019= at 10:47, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
Hello Rahul

This proposal is an alternate to the proposal of using a multicast address = that is derived from the parent address that we discussed at the meeting. B= asically after a power outage and with the premise that the nodes can store= the RPL state before the outage, the network can reform more quickly with = mostly the shape it had before.

What really hurts is the tempest of DIS messages. It interferes with the re= formation of the network. Those should be cancelled out with a trickle mech= anism. If a node hears DIS messages around, it should refrain from sending = it own. RPL does not discuss that aspect. If the parent is not awaken or is= gone, the trickle mechanism will exponentially back off the retries till t= he point where the child reparents anyway.

In this case we want the DIS to be multicast and the other (candidate) chil= dren to process it. We should define the trickle Imin of DIS to be longer t= han that of DIO, so when all nodes reboot there's a chance that DIOs ar= e heard before DIS are.

One desired outcome in that case is that the DIO is responded multicast and= arrives soon, which is the case with a multicast DIS. So the particular ca= se does not need a change in the DIS bits that we are still considering for= other reasons.

On top of trickling the DIS, the ask here is to specify the specific parent= that answers. But we do not want to send a unicast packet to the parent be= cause the other candidate children would miss the DIS. So Li's proposal= here is to add that as a filter in the SIO.

Comparing the 2 proposals:
- the SIO enables to ask from more than one parent by placing more than one= address. Also it is simpler if MLD is not implemented
- the multicast address enables the parents to list their children using ML= D.

We also need to clarify what resetting trickle mean. If I goes back to Imin= , you need to restart the timer as well because it would timeout out of bou= nds. But if it is already Imin, the timer as it is running is already compa= tible so it should not be restarted. This way the DIO flies quickly.

If a node does not have persistent storage then it will not specify a paren= t. The overall trickling stuff remains critically important. The difference= is the consistency check, all DIS are consistent with one another.

Does that clarify?

Pascal


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
> Sent: jeudi 21 novembre 2019 10:04
> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [Roll] DIS for given parent in draft-thubert-roll-eliding= -dio-
> information
>
> Please find my comments below.
>
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 09:03, Li Zhao (liz3) <liz3@cisco.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Rahul,
> >
> > Node can store preferred parent's info when outage.
>
> [RJ] Storing parent info in persistent storage seems costly. But let&#= 39;s go with
> this premise for this discussion.
>
> > But after reboot, it still need DIO from this parent to confirm w= hether this
> parent is alive. Because parent may be outage too.
>
> [RJ] In case of outage if the child node sends multicast DIS with the = parent
> address, the parent node itself may not have attached to the network a= nd may
> be still trying. So the DIS may have to be repeated till the point whe= re parent
> node is attached as well. All the other nodes would be trying to do th= e same
> with their DIS as well.
>
> > Reset trickle timer can let parent inform all children and accele= rate the
> network recovery. Otherwise, all nodes need to run unicast DIS request= and
> unicast DIO response. It wastes too much of time.
>
> [RJ] If we let the trickle time reset then we wouldn't be solving = the problem.
> Let me give an example:
> a. Assume 20 nodes using parent P
> b. there's an outage
> c. all 20 nodes sending DIS(with P address) and resetting P's tric= kle timer.
> P keeps on resetting the trickle because of high child density and nev= er is able
> to dole out DIO.
>
> >
> > Does it make sense?
>
> [RJ] It is good to know the options assuming that the preferred parent= is
> stored in persistent storage. But making design choices based on this = (use of
> storage) assumption may not be the right way. Note that there could be=
> multiple preferred parents and the parent info is much more dynamic an= d
> thus may require frequent updates to persistent storage.
>
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Li
> >
> >
> > =EF=BB=BFOn 2019/11/20, 11:52, "Roll on behalf of Rahul Jadh= av" <roll-
> bounces@ietf.org= on behalf of rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks Li for elaborating.
> >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regarding the warm boot use-case you mentioned= , the nodes certainly do
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not know whether they have individually reboot= ed or rebooted because
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of mass-outage.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What I don't get is, if the child node alr= eady knows who the parent is
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0why would it want to reset its Trickle timer?<= br> > >
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Wed, 20 Nov 2019 at 11:31, Li Zhao (liz3) &= lt;liz3@cisco.com&g= t; wrote:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hello Rahul,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This is about " we need other nodes = sending DIS to backoff on hearing
> other node's DIS ".
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> The use case is for warm boot case when h= undreds of nodes power
> outage at the same time.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 1. Child nodes send DIS to inform given p= arent to reset its trickle.
> (unicast or multicast DIS both work)
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> 2. Child nodes suppress or backoff siblin= g nodes' DIS. Only multicast DIS
> works.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And we need enhance So= licited Information option to identify this
> kind of DIS.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Best regards,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Li
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 2019/11/19, 18:20, "Roll on behal= f of Rahul Jadhav" <roll-
> bounces@ietf.org= on behalf of rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hi Li,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What is the use-case w= here the child node needs to inform the parent
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to reset its trickle u= nilaterally when it already knows the parent's
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0address?
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please find my comment= s below.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Best,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Rahul
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, 19 Nov 2019 at= 13:34, Li Zhao (liz3) <liz3@cisco.com> wrote:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hello all,
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> As we discussed t= oday, there is a requirement that node sends out
> multicast DIS to only reset given parent=E2=80=99s Trickle.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[RJ] We discussed toda= y that we need other nodes sending DIS to
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0backoff on hearing oth= er node's DIS. We also discussed that we need
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0parent node to not kee= p on resetting the trickle timer all the time on
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0hearing DIS.
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I am not sure we discu= ssed about sending a multicast DIS to reset a
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0given parent's Tri= ckle. Or may be I didn't get it correctly. Can you
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0please elaborate? Than= ks
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Can we enhance So= licited Information option to add a flag to
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--000000000000daea280597d2f636-- From nobody Wed Nov 20 21:02:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922B8120959 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:02:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u6BbYh7s7Mxo for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x92f.google.com (mail-ua1-x92f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B614120964 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x92f.google.com with SMTP id k11so564719ual.10 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:02:32 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6/4i8UQsGOsydM8t+94TBra17DhY+fqybtf3Ig77gqw=; b=Jt6NKybLTFWWek3Tm2D2WemyYdmNs6a0+1X4qihJ+1TPPbR4AKoupL+PZ9kP9OsEJP Vr+rwOrrJuqW1xl5nDeOxJJqLcuaIS9SpRBqqBZTcrB39dSqp1itdH7qj5+p7W36MpGG k5FjJapO+800OBS5mQy4W6rxY2rKGPb7Mqh6btRzSHZmJXyyOMbtoOyWvZaQ4817Ia3o FdmOQIXL8y1jyrpH5munwJFmkTtFJnBoXoAeR2CJ7wtahnsSzmhu8DAkowBCbn1AOl6U /owI/RMc5mL9IJ/xfKwrGxvyWHOS4Yza9qE7csZ/xX5wsHwMhI7kq+D2EDAUaKiqRdj7 D7TA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=6/4i8UQsGOsydM8t+94TBra17DhY+fqybtf3Ig77gqw=; b=aawcK1YfQSDEKZjuvpQmsGsb+qbV7MjqBIF1+cvmyUmTuxCeRw3hh3nEEK+wZip51S +3p4jQlZOPkJ6b3w/hvvQDMM9NP6XjJHOAX02J9VLfcw60R75BEJ1riutTqqLBpxbJxT PkZj98gxuRhDJhNSUPJ76S8bK4z+exTuYIVMH/dJvBdKmWsc71wG2brsaET1hQNxkKPS a1O/TmeA14EdJFQKpkSqzgFHQDdsTXBRt6d3r7fYCrZlyXH6ksi4KGjEfWYEsCdL510f mdCMQ6qtfYK9kwhseMnPppiekPfGj5QrSEw8DRleKQEHAF//UVZPxnPyrAq234YRHPqo 5qvA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVLTXEHKWrdfkuQ7TfsopgEFlNxMagWvSJlUQFFftl7LGxmsgbu iOfCsGrzez8xjYSr1LZ+KsxmuhY0dbU/Z7Tjis8Pl4BD X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz4P3L3Z2dtdqjRi7kxA+OESiDIWUFhsAckmFwfB8fV81GKvlxbSo4Ctp3Owd4+AtnTJe+o9JelcJ0DKrNEhFc= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:7509:: with SMTP id m9mr4274965uap.136.1574312551027; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:02:31 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:02:19 +0800 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005e99a50597d43494" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Trickle Reset vs Restart X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:02:34 -0000 --0000000000005e99a50597d43494 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" During the IETF106 roll-session, we discussed resetting vs restarting Trickle. Pascal raised this in another mail as well. After checking RFC 6206 (Section 4.2), I found that there is only one notion i.e., to reset Trickle timer, which means going back to Imin and starting a new interval. There is no notion of restarting the current timer for the instantaneous value of I. This is what my understanding was and reset is all that is needed, IMO. I would like to be corrected if there is any use-case, where restarting the timer would be needed. We may not need any clarifications on this particular issue. Or do you think we should still keep this as a note for implementors in the observations draft? Regards, Rahul --0000000000005e99a50597d43494 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
During the IETF106 roll-session, we discussed resetting vs= restarting Trickle. Pascal raised=C2=A0this in another mail as well.

After checking RFC 6206 (Section 4.2), I found that there= is only one notion i.e., to reset Trickle timer, which means going back to= Imin and starting a new interval.

There is no= notion of restarting the current timer for the instantaneous value of I.

This is what my understanding was and reset is all = that is needed, IMO. I would like to be corrected if there is any use-case,= where restarting the timer would be needed.

We ma= y not need any clarifications on this particular issue. Or do you think we = should still keep this as a note for implementors in the observations draft= ?

Regards,
Rahul
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Wed, 20 Nov 2019 21:23:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <157279012489.13233.10865514638801334001@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: rabi narayan sahoo Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:53:36 +0530 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000097b0700597d480b2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:23:53 -0000 --00000000000097b0700597d480b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal I am sorry for the late reply. [Suggestion] When a LN/LR requests for TE path using PDR it can mention the Network Metric that PCE need to consider while computing the P-Route. Like A node can request for a TE path based of Hop Count or based on Minimum latency or Minimum EXT or Maximum Battery Life. I think this will provide more flexibility for application. *It is good to know that you have already considered it. * [Query] Can PCE be a separate Physical Node Other than BR? If Yes how LR/LN will learn about it and send the PDR to it? * Its very clear now. * [Query] If PCE is a separate physical entity how the Sibling information will be shared with it, as DAO messages will always terminate at BR? * I agree with you, communication between BR and PCE (In case its a separate entity) need to be defined in separate doc. * [Query] If the metric of P-Route need to be different from the Network Metric used for the global mesh network, how a LN/LR is going to learn about that so that it can send the correct metric information in SIO? * I suggest the metrics requirement for P-Route to be advertised as part P-DAO capability enquiry/negotiation. This will modify the SIO too to send the metric information to PCE. I feel in normal RPL operation no change is needed with respect to OF or metric container. Metric container can be re-used with SIO. * Thanks Rabi On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:58 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Rabi : > > > > Many thanks, this is really helpful: I used them an pushed an 08 before > cutoff. Please see below. > > > > > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *rabi narayan sahoo > *Sent:* lundi 4 novembre 2019 07:54 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Subject:* Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07.txt > > > > Dear authors > > I reviewed the changes (only) and have some queries and suggestions for > the PDR and Sibling Information Option > > - P-DAO Request Message > > > - [Suggestion] When a LN/LR requests for TE path using PDR it can > mention the Network Metric that PCE need to consider while computin= g the > P-Route. Like A node can request for a TE path based of Hop Count o= r based > on Minimum latency or Minimum EXT or Maximum Battery Life. I think = this > will provide more flexibility for application. > > Yes, I agree. I already had a todo for that in the xml. We need > to define together what metrics we want in there. That will be a new opti= on > I guess. > > - [Query] Can PCE be a separate Physical Node Other than BR? If Yes > how LR/LN will learn about it and send the PDR to it? > > I added text for that already. The agreement we had so far is > that the Root is the only node that the RPL device knows. If there=E2=80= =99s a PCE > and a protocol like PCEP, the Root should proxy. The current text reads: > > =E2=80=9C This specification uses the RPL Root as a proxy to the PCE. = If the > actual PCE is a separate entity, then a protocol that is out of scope for > this specification is needed to relay the control elements between the RP= L > Root and the PCE. > > =E2=80=9C > > I can move that to the intro and elaborate, e.g.: > > =E2=80=9C > > Projected Routes must be used with the parsimony to limit the amount > > of state that is installed in each device to fit within its > > resources, and to limit the amount of rerouted traffic to fit within > > the capabilities of the transmission links. The method to learn the > > node capabilities and the resources that are available in the devices > > and in the network are out of scope for this document. > > > > In RPL Non-Storing Mode, the Root has enough information to build a > > basic DODAG topology. This document adds the capability for nodes to > > advertise sibling information in order to improve the topological > > awareness of the Root. This specification uses the RPL Root as a > > proxy to the PCE. The algorithm to compute the paths and the > > protocol used by an external PCE to obtain the topology of the > > network from the Root are out of scope for this document. > > =E2=80=9C > > Works? > > > > - Sibling Information Option (SIO) > > > - [Query] If PCE is a separate physical entity how the Sibling > informations will be shared with it, as DAO messages will always te= rminate > at BR? > > > > As of now, the Root and the PCE talk in whichever way they feel like, but > that is out of scope. We could define a separate RPL-TE mode whereby the > Root exports the DODAG and sibling links to the PCE. The PCE could appear > as a Root of Roots (or a virtual Root, see RPL section 3.1.3 > ). Or whereby it > builds a fake LSDB to reuse a PCE that talks OSPF TE. > > > > - [Query] If the metric of P-Route need to be different from the > Network Metric used for the global mesh network, how a LN/LR is goi= ng to > learn about that so that it can send the correct metric information= in SIO? > > > > To be defined. In normal RPL, the metrics to use come with the knowledge > of the OF and there is nothing specified that uses the metrics container. > Do we want to do more here? I do not see that the measure of the sibling > link should differ to that of parent / child. > > > > > > > > - [Issue] Description of Sibling Address filed of SIO is exact copy of > VIA address filed in VIO (2 to 16 bytes, a compressed IPv6 Address.= a *Via > Address indicates* the next hop towards the destination(s).....). > This need to be changed. > > > > > > Oups. Tired was I. I=E2=80=99ll fix and republish. Also removed the IAN= A on MOP > per your other mail, we need to discuss capability vs. MOP. And added the > missing IANA for the new stuff=E2=80=A6 > > > > > > All the best, > > Pascal > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --00000000000097b0700597d480b2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal
I am sorry for the late reply.
[Su= ggestion] When a LN/LR requests for TE path using PDR=C2=A0 it can mention = the Network Metric that PCE need to consider while computing the P-Route. L= ike A node can request for a TE path based of Hop Count or based on Minimum= latency or Minimum EXT or Maximum Battery Life. I think this will provide = more flexibility for application.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
<Rab= i>It is good to know that you have already considered it.=C2=A0

[Query] Can PCE be a separate Physical Node Oth= er than BR? If Yes how LR/LN will learn about it and send the PDR to it?=C2= =A0=C2=A0
<Rabi> Its very clear now.=C2=A0

[Query] If PCE is= a separate physical entity=C2=A0how the Sibling information=C2=A0will be s= hared with it, as DAO messages will always terminate at BR?=C2=A0=C2= =A0
<Rabi> I agree with you, communication be= tween BR and PCE (In case its a separate=C2=A0entity) need to be defined in= separate doc.=C2=A0

[Query] If the met= ric of P-Route need to be different from the Network Metric used for the gl= obal mesh network, how a LN/LR is going to learn about that so that it can = send the correct metric information in SIO?=C2=A0=C2=A0
<Rabi> I suggest the metrics requirement for P-Route to be adver= tised as part P-DAO capability enquiry/negotiation.=C2=A0 This will modify = the SIO too to send the metric information to PCE. I feel in normal RPL ope= ration no change is needed with respect to OF or metric container. Metric c= ontainer can be re-used with SIO.=C2=A0

Thanks
Rabi


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:5= 8 PM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Hello Rabi=C2=A0:=

=C2=A0

Many thanks, this is really hel= pful: I used them an pushed an 08 before cutoff. Please see below.

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From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of rabi narayan sahoo
Sent: lundi 4 novembre 2019 07:54
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dao-projection-07.tx= t

=C2=A0

Dear authors

I reviewed the changes (only) and have some queries and suggestions for the= PDR and Sibling Information Option

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<Pascal> Yes, I agree. I = already had a todo for that in the xml. We need to define together what met= rics we want in there. That will be a new option I guess.

    • [Query] Can PCE be a separate Physical Node Other than= BR? If Yes how LR/LN will learn about it and send the PDR to it?<= /li>

<Pascal> I added text for= that already. The agreement we had so far is that the Root is the only nod= e that the RPL device knows. If there=E2=80=99s a PCE and a protocol like PCEP, the Root should proxy. The current text reads:

=E2=80=9C=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0This specification uses th= e RPL Root as a proxy to the PCE.=C2=A0 If the actual PCE is a separate ent= ity, then a protocol that is out of scope for this specification is needed = to relay the control elements between the RPL Root and the PCE.

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=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0 In RPL Non-Storing Mode, the Roo= t has enough information to build a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 basic DODAG topology.=C2=A0 This= document adds the capability for nodes to

=C2=A0=C2=A0 advertise sibling information in= order to improve the topological

=C2=A0=C2=A0 awareness of the Root.=C2=A0 Thi= s specification uses the RPL Root as a

=C2=A0=C2=A0 proxy to the PCE.=C2=A0 The algo= rithm to compute the paths and the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocol used by an external PCE= to obtain the topology of the

=C2=A0=C2=A0 network from the Root are out of= scope for this document.

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

Works?

</Pascal>

  • Sibling Information Option (SIO)
    • [Query] If PCE is a separate physical entity=C2=A0how the Sibling informati= ons will be shared with it, as DAO messages will always terminate at BR?=

<Pascal>

As of now, the Root and the PCE= talk in whichever way they feel like, but that is out of scope. We could d= efine a separate RPL-TE mode whereby the Root exports the DODAG and sibling links to the PCE. The PCE could appear as a Root of = Roots (or a virtual Root, see RPL = section 3.1.3). Or whereby it builds a fake LSDB to reuse a PCE that talks OSPF TE.=

</Pascal>

    • [Query] If the metric of P-Route need to be different = from the Network Metric used for the global mesh network, how a LN/LR is go= ing to learn about that so that it can send the correct metric information = in SIO?

<Pascal>

To be defined. In normal RPL, t= he metrics to use come with the knowledge of the OF and there is nothing sp= ecified that uses the metrics container. Do we want to do more here? I do not see that the measure of the sibling link should = differ to that of parent / child.

</Pascal>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

    • [Issue] Description of=C2=A0Sibling Address filed of SIO is exact copy of V= IA address filed in VIO (2 to 16 bytes, a compressed IPv6 Address. a Via Address indicates the next hop towards the destination(s).....).= This need to be changed.

=C2=A0

<Pascal>

=C2=A0 Oups. Tired was I. I=E2= =80=99ll fix and republish. Also removed the IANA on MOP per your other mai= l, we need to discuss capability vs. MOP. And added the missing IANA for the new stuff=E2=80=A6

</Pascal>

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All the best,

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AB On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Hello All, > > During IETF106 we discussed splitting up MOPex and capabilities, > reasons have been: > 1. MOPex and capabilities are not dependent on each other > 2. Capabilities draft may take a while for WGLC, while MOPex can be > shipped sooner. > > Please let us know of your opinions. > > The following is the link for the separated draft. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jadhav-roll-mopex/ > > Reviews are highly appreciated. > > Thanks, > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000bd0d800597d5b65f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support that.

AB
=

= On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 12:46 PM Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All,

During IETF106 we discussed splitting up MOPex and capabilities,
reasons have been:
1. MOPex and capabilities are not dependent on each other
2. Capabilities draft may take a while for WGLC, while MOPex can be
shipped sooner.

Please let us know of your opinions.

The following is the link for the separated draft.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-jadh= av-roll-mopex/

Reviews are highly appreciated.

Thanks,
Rahul

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Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:57:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.110.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <157432667475.28806.4321558097713918562@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:57:54 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:57:55 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : DIS Modifications Authors : Cenk Gundogan Dominique Barthel Emmanuel Baccelli Filename : draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This document augments RFC6550 with DIS flags and options that allow a RPL node to better control how neighbor RPL routers respond to its solicitation for DIOs. 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Hi Dominique,
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However, we should agree quickly what to do about 3.2, which currently
contradicts 3.1 and also ties MOPex and CAPabilities back together.
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[RJ] Which is the contradictory stmt in 3.1 = you are referring to?
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Thanks,
Rahul
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Please let me know if you have any comments. Regards, Rahul On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 13:16, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Rahul > > We all observe that restarting the timer can be disfunctional. So yes I > think it deserves text somewhere, starting immediately in your rich and > useful observations draft. > > I=E2=80=99m happy to add text in the eliding-options draft, for the lack = of a > better carrier. I think that the observation that the timer should not be > restarted may not be general to trickle but seems general to where we use > trickle in RPL. > > > Regards, > > Pascal > > > Le 21 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 13:02, Rahul Jadhav a =C3= =A9crit : > > > > =EF=BB=BF > > During the IETF106 roll-session, we discussed resetting vs restarting > Trickle. Pascal raised this in another mail as well. > > > > After checking RFC 6206 (Section 4.2), I found that there is only one > notion i.e., to reset Trickle timer, which means going back to Imin and > starting a new interval. > > > > There is no notion of restarting the current timer for the instantaneou= s > value of I. > > > > This is what my understanding was and reset is all that is needed, IMO. > I would like to be corrected if there is any use-case, where restarting t= he > timer would be needed. > > > > We may not need any clarifications on this particular issue. Or do you > think we should still keep this as a note for implementors in the > observations draft? > > > > Regards, > > Rahul > > _______________________________________________ > > Roll mailing list > > Roll@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000006ea7a90597e7e7f2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal, All,

Following PR (https://github.co= m/roll-wg/rpl-observations/pull/7) adds the text in the RPL-Observation= draft for the clarification of these points.
Please let me know = if you=C2=A0have any comments.

Regards,
<= div>Rahul

On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 at 13:16, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <= ;pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
Hello Rahul

We all observe that restarting the timer can be disfunctional. So yes I thi= nk it deserves text somewhere, starting immediately in your rich and useful= observations draft.

I=E2=80=99m happy to add text in the eliding-options draft, for the lack of= a better carrier. I think that the observation that the timer should not b= e restarted may not be general to trickle but seems general to where we use= trickle in RPL.


Regards,

Pascal

> Le 21 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 13:02, Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> a =C3=A9cri= t :
>
> =EF=BB=BF
> During the IETF106 roll-session, we discussed resetting vs restarting = Trickle. Pascal raised this in another mail as well.
>
> After checking RFC 6206 (Section 4.2), I found that there is only one = notion i.e., to reset Trickle timer, which means going back to Imin and sta= rting a new interval.
>
> There is no notion of restarting the current timer for the instantaneo= us value of I.
>
> This is what my understanding was and reset is all that is needed, IMO= . I would like to be corrected if there is any use-case, where restarting t= he timer would be needed.
>
> We may not need any clarifications on this particular issue. Or do you= think we should still keep this as a note for implementors in the observat= ions draft?
>
> Regards,
> Rahul
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-0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14503_1574325685_5DD64DB5_14503_98_1_D9FC6DEA.6C3D8%dominique.barthel@orange.com> <15720_1574397195_5DD7650B_15720_432_1_D9FD7A49.6C485%dominique.barthel@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <15720_1574397195_5DD7650B_15720_432_1_D9FD7A49.6C485%dominique.barthel@orange.com> From: Rahul Jadhav Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 12:43:40 +0800 Message-ID: To: dominique.barthel@orange.com Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000079986c0597e80f1a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOPex CAPs splitup X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 04:43:54 -0000 --00000000000079986c0597e80f1a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > In order to avoid a misunderstand similar to mine by future readers, can = I > suggest you rewrite 3.2 the following way > Title "Use of values 0-6 in the MOPex option" > Text body "The MOPex option could also be allowed to re-use the values > 0-6, which have been used for MOP so far. =E2=80=A6" > [RJ] Thanks Dominique . This text definitely sounds better. Following is the PR which fixes this (https://github.com/roll-wg/mopex/pull/1) > --00000000000079986c0597e80f1a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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In order to avoid a misunderstand similar to mine by future readers, c= an I suggest you rewrite 3.2 the following way
Title "Use of values 0-6 in the MOPex option"
Text body "The MOPex option could also be allowed to re-use the v= alues 0-6, which have been used for MOP so far. =E2=80=A6"
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[RJ] Thanks Dominique . This text definite= ly sounds better. Following is the PR which fixes this (https://github.com/roll-wg/mopex/pull/1)
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Restart can be used. So if such protocol using this algorithm needs Restart, then it can be used for protocol performance and usecases. Reset is always needed by Trickel ( it is in its six Rules, section 4) that is in the RFC6206 specification, and also Reset can be needed/used by the protocol using the Trickel (mentined in section 5). Overall, any protocol/standard using this RFC6206 algorithm must specify what does it reacts when inconsistency is detected. That reaction can be Restart algorithm. On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:02 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > During the IETF106 roll-session, we discussed resetting vs restarting > Trickle. Pascal raised this in another mail as well. > > After checking RFC 6206 (Section 4.2), I found that there is only one > notion i.e., to reset Trickle timer, which means going back to Imin and > starting a new interval. > not one notion I think, > > There is no notion of restarting the current timer for the instantaneous > value of I. > > This is what my understanding was and reset is all that is needed, IMO. I > would like to be corrected if there is any use-case, where restarting the > timer would be needed. > I think Restart is needed by RPL at some topology changes with inconsistency, or needed at protocol configuration changes at runtime. We don't forget that C6206 is so far from perfect (these words mentioned in section 6.7), with some efficient results. However, it may need simple restart or reconfiguring its parameters at cases that can be noticed by RFC6206 operational considerations section. > We may not need any clarifications on this particular issue. Or do you > think we should still keep this as a note for implementors in the > observations draft? > IMO, clarification in drafts is always good specially in a standard/updating_standard draft. Regards, AB --000000000000ddb17e059825e5d0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That=C2=A0depends on the Protocol/Standard using Tric= kel Algorithm.

Restart can be used. So if=C2=A0su= ch protocol using this algorithm needs Restart, then it can be used for pro= tocol performance and usecases.
Reset is always needed by Trickel= ( it is in its six Rules, section 4) that is in the RFC6206 specification,= and also Reset can be needed/used by the protocol using the Trickel (menti= ned in section 5).

Overall, any protocol/standard = using this RFC6206 algorithm must specify what=C2=A0does=C2=A0it reacts whe= n inconsistency is detected. That reaction can be Restart algorithm.

On = Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 7:02 AM Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
=
During the IETF106 roll-session, we discussed resetting vs= restarting Trickle. Pascal raised=C2=A0this in another mail as well.

After checking RFC 6206 (Section 4.2), I found that there= is only one notion i.e., to reset Trickle timer, which means going back to= Imin and starting a new interval.

not one notion=C2=A0I think,

There is no notion of restarting the curren= t timer for the instantaneous value of I.

This is = what my understanding was and reset is all that is needed, IMO. I would lik= e to be corrected if there is any use-case, where restarting the timer woul= d be needed.=C2=A0

I think=C2= =A0Restart is needed=C2=A0by RPL at some topology changes=C2=A0with inconsi= stency,=C2=A0or needed at protocol configuration changes=C2=A0at runtime. W= e don't forget that C6206 is=C2=A0so far=C2=A0from perfect (these word= s mentioned in section 6.7), with some efficient results. However, it may n= eed simple restart or reconfiguring its parameters at cases that can be not= iced=C2=A0by RFC6206 operational considerations section.


We may not need any= clarifications on this particular issue. Or do you think we should still k= eep this as a note for implementors in the observations draft?
<= /blockquote>

IMO, clarification in drafts=C2=A0is always= good specially in a standard/updating_standard draft.

=
Regards,
AB
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Sun, 24 Nov 2019 22:44:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <157432667505.28806.8545289298360479311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <4781_1574326974_5DD652BE_4781_95_8_D9FC72FE.6C3EC%dominique.barthel@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <4781_1574326974_5DD652BE_4781_95_8_D9FC72FE.6C3EC%dominique.barthel@orange.com> From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:43:38 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000503fd405982617e9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 06:44:14 -0000 --000000000000503fd405982617e9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi I think this draft should update the RFC6550 but the draft did not mention updating, AB On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:03 AM wrote: > Hello all, > > In light of the current discussions on adding flags and generally > improving the behavior of DIS messages, I've just republished the old > dis-modifications draft with Informational status. > The purpose is to provide the WG with the use cases that were described i= n > that draft. > Except for the issue date and version, the draft is unchanged from -00. > Best regards, > > Dominique > > Le 21/11/19 16:57, =C2=AB internet-drafts@ietf.org =C2=BB > a =C3=A9crit : > > > > >A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt > >has been successfully submitted by Dominique Barthel and posted to the > >IETF repository. > > > >Name: draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications > >Revision: 01 > >Title: DIS Modifications > >Document date: 2019-11-21 > >Group: roll > >Pages: 15 > >URL: > >https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-0= 1 > . > >txt > >Status: > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications/ > >Htmlized: > >https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01 > >Htmlized: > >https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications > >Diff: > >https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01 > > > >Abstract: > > This document augments RFC6550 with DIS flags and options that > > allow a RPL node to better control how neighbor RPL routers respond > > to its solicitation for DIOs. > > > > > > > > > > > >Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > >submission > >until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > >The IETF Secretariat > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations > confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Hi

I think this draft=C2=A0s= hould update the RFC6550 but the draft did not mention updating,
=
AB

On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 11:03 AM <dominique.barthel@orange.com> = wrote:
Hello all,

In light of the current discussions on adding flags and generally
improving the behavior of DIS messages, I've just republished the old dis-modifications draft with Informational status.
The purpose is to provide the WG with the use cases that were described in<= br> that draft.
Except for the issue date and version, the draft is unchanged from -00.
Best regards,

Dominique

Le 21/11/19 16:57, =C2=AB internet-drafts@ietf.org =C2=BB <internet-drafts@ietf.org> a =C3=A9crit :

>
>A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt
>has been successfully submitted by Dominique Barthel and posted to the<= br> >IETF repository.
>
>Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-roll-dis-modificatio= ns
>Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 01
>Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DIS Modifications
>Document date: 2019-11-21
>Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0roll
>Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A015
>URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>https://www.ietf.org/in= ternet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.
>txt
>Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications/
>Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01
>Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications
>Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>https://www.ietf.org/rfc= diff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01
>
>Abstract:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document augments RFC6550 with DIS flags and options = that
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0allow a RPL node to better control how neighbor RPL router= s respond
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0to its solicitation for DIOs.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>
>
>Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>submission
>until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >
>The IETF Secretariat
>


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Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ee6b0c0598264fdf" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] =?utf-8?q?WGLC_for_=E2=80=8Bdraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension?= =?utf-8?q?-05?= X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:00:05 -0000 --000000000000ee6b0c0598264fdf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think this draft should update rfc6550, not mentioned in draft. AB On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:21 AM Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05. > > Please let us know your opinion by 03 december. > > Thank you, > > Ines, Dominique and Peter > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM > wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for >> *draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04*. >> The draft is available here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >> Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for >> publication and send comments to the list stating your view. >> Thank you very much in advance, >> >> Ines, Peter and Dominique. >> >> _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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I think this draft should update rfc6550, not mention= ed in draft.

AB

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3= :21 AM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Dear all,

This a WGLC of the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-05.

Please let us know your opinion by 03 december.

<= div>Thank you,

Ines, Dominique and Peter

On W= ed, Oct 30, 2019 at 10:46 AM <dominique..barthel@orange.com> wrote:
Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WGLC) starts today (10/30) until 11/13 for = draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-04.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/=C2=A0
Please review this draft to see if you think that it is ready for publ= ication and send comments to the list stating your view.
Thank you very much in advance,

Ines, Peter and Dominique.

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--000000000000ee6b0c0598264fdf-- From nobody Sun Nov 24 23:34:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7AD412081B for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:34:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SbTHeh4f5h-Y for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-oi1-x229.google.com (mail-oi1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 157FF12080B for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:34:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-oi1-x229.google.com with SMTP id o12so12183864oic.9 for ; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:34:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JRgmX5CEc4mwG8KORvFcJ6W1yD+ewstk2tWAasdT8V0=; b=BVi/UvAAgiy4UR3MKfZYfLnR8/w6catUCfWB72v6dBDcWylKQuzpwS4I/Qs2TqMfBu O9aKfY2DaZOMZWFh4IdNqdl2e7iE5ICwG79zm1zrnbd+2XGK8kgrz1r8FjPBk/9P4vSV xp1zlWE/JaMS08rEfPglhHV7orJZ7CL61kmVHaYWvA3/IIE+XaiHRCwL/il0i8Y3t4eU QLApZGt0lvEitmMXBO2X/aUPil9uXAjrVlQDj9uFWWZ/xQ1Xeggj4jWMdPjZ1kuLIxw/ r0x9AuDTgQCQVcbUg9sQ0LKRBxB5MpwftZViIZKwCHKJ58WCVSZwvFXzm4dSlHHXzSXy Ln5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=JRgmX5CEc4mwG8KORvFcJ6W1yD+ewstk2tWAasdT8V0=; b=sFlAIgtqfC2RWfms1T+lBHqPt0PQ8TQ35KALVDHxdBei4eMK1RmIaEhR9Hl0EZCdYy Lad+NOvWCRhAxFUe41TJ4OmUYlP5489jQmYHoIqmzjRo+ou9ucC+gKrWtdY+/mxsAsCX t4XadTsQD4h/mrlAL7ueWCV6zTocRvbY7+dmNMnIjF004tmnzXY7Fll9SMHCfUmRI05g erg5c+/GK0QyiKM6gFFKgli2ZiaPlxeDilCHdBgb+VI1iQoF51CE6BOIV/NrrA6cnlP0 2KBqLZzB5vDTsGQl7297QikkIfmmx+K3NYdmEhGxvG5POt1Bri6B1lLfCxIyGs1SRkkO afpg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWbCJKPTpzoKdsyTw4QUbTt7guTKcHysyFKhfUsqqkGgMUnA2Rd QZg90V88cNA667E7uTWmyweTjjHixukD5XpWsq01LQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxMeHmH0ozCqM7JqlTSkAbjo502uIyv27EUMOO6gxw4/A1NtXiGzH1vXLUvcSoKdp6fDtXT+c5etAVzdL4bvow= X-Received: by 2002:aca:3ac3:: with SMTP id h186mr22211124oia.134.1574667281287; Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:34:41 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Abdussalam Baryun Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f0cebf059826cb50" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] MOP 7 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:34:44 -0000 --000000000000f0cebf059826cb50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't agree with this message proposals, because I think it needs to be in separate draft if we are mentioning new version of RPL, as RPLv2 which is not submitted yet to WG. We need to make discussion/work not complicated and within WG milestones. On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:44 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Dear all > > * Yesterday we said that if MOP is 7 then the MOPext is expected else > the packet is dropped. An alternate could be to say that if MOP is 7 in t= he > DIO and the MOPext is not present then the MOP is non-storing, since this > is the most widely used mode in constrained networks. * > even if non storing is widely used we cannot ignore storing or mix modes, > * We also said that a MOP of 7 means RPLv2, which packages new support > we are defining. Q is what=E2=80=99s mandatory and what=E2=80=99s optiona= l.* > You must mean by 'We' the group that attended, and not All the WG. However, I support separating RPLv2 from RPLv1, * I see mandatory the support of the MOPext, capabilities, useofrplinfo, > DCO and RUL draft. * > don't agree for that for RPLv1, * RFC 8138 (inc turn-on), PDAO and AODV RPL are also part of RPLv2 but then > the support may be optional I guess, known through capability.* > Why? RPLv2 is not submitted as proposal to WG, please submit if there is one so we can understand what is your v2 (many participants may think different versions)! > * What do you think?* > I think We as WG need to focus to make it simple routing not complicated, so this MOPext is for RPLv1 only and when the draft or proposal submitted to WG with RPLv2 subject, then we can discuss with better focus/options. AB > * Pascal * > > > > > * _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > * --000000000000f0cebf059826cb50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I don't agree with this message propo= sals,=C2=A0because I think it needs to be in separate draft if we are menti= oning new version of RPL, as RPLv2 which is not submitted yet to WG. We nee= d to make discussion/work not complicated and within WG milestones.

On T= ue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:44 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Dear all

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Yesterday we said that if MOP i= s 7 then the MOPext is expected else the packet is dropped. An alternate co= uld be to say that if MOP is 7 in the DIO and the MOPext is not present the= n the MOP is non-storing, since this is the most widely used mode in constrained networks.

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even if non storing is = widely used we cannot ignore storing or mix modes,=C2=A0

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We also said that a MOP of 7 me= ans RPLv2, which packages new support we are defining. Q is what=E2=80=99s = mandatory and what=E2=80=99s optional.


You must mean by 'We= '=C2=A0 the group that attended, and not All the WG. However,=C2=A0
I support separating RPLv2 from RPLv1,

I see mandatory the support of = the MOPext, capabilities, useofrplinfo, DCO and RUL draft.


don't agree=C2=A0for that for RPLv1,

RFC 8138 (inc turn-on), PDAO an= d AODV RPL are also part of RPLv2 but then the support may be optional I gu= ess, known through capability.


Why? RPLv2 is no= t submitted as proposal to WG, please submit if there is one so we can unde= rstand what is your v2 (many participants may think different versions)!
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What do you think?

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I think We as WG need to focus to make it s= imple routing=C2=A0not complicated, so this MOPext is for RPLv1 only and wh= en the draft or proposal=C2=A0submitted to WG=C2=A0with RPLv2 subject,=C2= =A0then we can discuss with=C2=A0better focus/options.

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I don't agree of adoption, because authors don= 9;t reply/answer to my comments/questions. They seem to work as a closed gr= oup in the WG, I think they don't follow WG. This is not accepted by my= participation and the IETF regulations.

best wish= es,
AB

On Tue, Nov 19, 2019 at 3:25 AM Ines Robles <= ;mariainesrobles=3D40goo= glemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Dear all,

Today at ROLL Meeting we will discus= s the adoption of turnon-8138. It would be nice if you could state your opi= nion on-site or remotely. The adoption call will be confirmed by ML also,

Thanks,

Ines, Dominique an= d Peter.=C2=A0
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--0000000000006ea9d5059826fa1b-- From nobody Tue Nov 26 04:42:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119701208C2; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 04:42:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <157477212600.13715.10647534303499379032@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 04:42:06 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:42:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : RPL Observations Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Rabi Narayan Sahoo Yuefeng Wu Filename : draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2019-11-26 Abstract: This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various observations and possible consequences of the design and implementation choices. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Regards, Rahul ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42 Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt To: Cc: A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : RPL Observations Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Rabi Narayan Sahoo Yuefeng Wu Filename : draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2019-11-26 Abstract: This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various observations and possible consequences of the design and implementation choices. 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The update contains clarific= ation regarding Trickle timer reset handling.

Rega= rds,
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= RPL Observations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Rahu= l Arvind Jadhav
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rabi Narayan Sahoo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yuefeng Wu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-11-26

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various =C2=A0 =C2=A0observations and possible consequences of the design and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0implementation choices.


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:56, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Rahul > > > > I believe I undertand what you want to d but the text below is really > unclear to me > > =E2=80=9C > > Implementations MUST not restart the trickle timer to the > > instantaneous value of I which could have been advanced over a > period > > of time. > > =E2=80=9C > [RJ] ok. But I could not think of anything better. May be I should use asciiart and explain with an example. What do you think? > What I thought you=E2=80=99d write is that the trickle time needs only be > restarted is one value I, K has changed, making the current run > incompatible with the setting. > [RJ] This is unclear for me. Specifically "trickle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has changed" > > > All the best > > > > Pascal > > > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Rahul Jadhav > *Sent:* mardi 26 novembre 2019 13:47 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Subject:* [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.tx= t > > > > Hello All, > > > > The update contains clarification regarding Trickle timer reset handling. > > > > Regards, > > Rahul > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42 > Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > To: > Cc: > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy network= s > WG of the IETF. > > Title : RPL Observations > Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav > Rabi Narayan Sahoo > Yuefeng Wu > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2019-11-26 > > Abstract: > This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various > observations and possible consequences of the design and > implementation choices. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000e9edcd059840a6e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:5= 6, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthu= bert@cisco.com> wrote:

Hello Rahul

=C2=A0

I believe I undertand what you = want to d but the text below is really unclear to me

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0 Implementations MUST not= restart the trickle timer to the=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 instantaneous value of I= which could have been advanced over a period=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 of time.

=E2=80=9C

[RJ] ok. But I could not think of anything better. May b= e I should use asciiart and explain with an example. What do you think?
=C2=A0

What I thought you=E2=80=99d wr= ite is that the trickle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has = changed, making the current run incompatible with the setting.

[RJ] This is unclear for me. Specifically "= ;trickle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has changed"= =C2=A0
=C2=A0

=C2=A0

All the best

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 13:47
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03= .txt

=C2=A0

Hello All,

=C2=A0

The update contains clarification regarding Trickle = timer reset handling.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Rahul

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: <int= ernet-drafts@ietf.org>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42
Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt
To: <i-d-anno= unce@ietf.org>
Cc: <roll@ietf.org>




A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= RPL Observations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Rahu= l Arvind Jadhav
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rabi Narayan Sahoo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yuefeng Wu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-11-26

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various =C2=A0 =C2=A0observations and possible consequences of the design and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0implementation choices.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-= observations/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ie= tf-roll-rpl-observations-03

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List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:05:40 -0000 --000000000000f63b8f059863935e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, I have updated as follows. This clarifies the interpretation and then also explains specifically in context to multicast DIS/DIO operation. " 5. Interpreting Trickle Timer Trickle timer defines a mechanism to reset the timer. Trickle timer reset is unlike regular periodic timers wherein the timer is simply reset to start again. Reset of trickle timer implies resetting the trickle back to Imin and starting with a new interval as mentioned in Section 4.2 of [RFC6206]. |----|--------|----------------|--------------------------------| . . . . .= . Imin I2 I3 I4 I5 Figure 4: Trickle Timer Operation The above figure shows an example of trickle intervals. An interval is double that of the previous interval size. Section 4.2. of [RFC6206] states that, "If Trickle hears a transmission that is "inconsistent" and I is greater than Imin, it resets the Trickle timer. To reset the timer, Trickle sets I to Imin and starts a new interval as in step 2. If I is equal to Imin when Trickle hears an "inconsistent" transmission, Trickle does nothing. Trickle can also reset its timer in response to external "events"." Thus if the trickle timer has advanced to subsequent intervals i.e., >=3D I2, then a reset of trickle timer implies going back to Imin. However, if the trickle timer is currently in Imin and if it hears an inconsistent transmission then it does nothing. In context to multicast DIS/DIO operation, this implies that if the DIO trickle timer is already at Imin and if the node hears a multicast DIS, then the timer does nothing. It MUST NOT reset the timer again in this case. An implementation MUST never restart the timer within an interval. For e.g., in the above figure, if the timer is in interval I2, the implementation MUST never restart the timer to the beginning of the current interval i.e., I2. If the timer is in interval T2 and if the reset is to be done then the interval is set back to Imin. If the timer is already in Imin, then the reset should do nothing. " https://github.com/roll-wg/rpl-observations/pull/8 Best, Rahul On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 22:31, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Rahul : > > > > I mean that if the spec says reset trickle and I is already Imin then the > timer already operates within the bounds that are expected so it does not > need to be restarted. Now if I was larger than Imin at the time of the > reset then it was operating out of bounds and needs to be restarted to > timeout earlier. Same if K changes, e.g., by configuration. The current > timer operates with the wrong parameters and should be restarted. > > > > Makes more sense? > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Rahul Jadhav > *Sent:* mardi 26 novembre 2019 15:25 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Subject:* Re: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: > draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > > > > Hi Pascal, > > > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:56, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > > Hello Rahul > > > > I believe I undertand what you want to d but the text below is really > unclear to me > > =E2=80=9C > > Implementations MUST not restart the trickle timer to the > > instantaneous value of I which could have been advanced over a > period > > of time. > > =E2=80=9C > > [RJ] ok. But I could not think of anything better. May be I should use > asciiart and explain with an example. What do you think? > > > > What I thought you=E2=80=99d write is that the trickle time needs only be > restarted is one value I, K has changed, making the current run > incompatible with the setting. > > [RJ] This is unclear for me. Specifically "trickle time needs only be > restarted is one value I, K has changed" > > > > > > All the best > > > > Pascal > > > > > > *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Rahul Jadhav > *Sent:* mardi 26 novembre 2019 13:47 > *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > *Subject:* [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: > draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03..txt > > > > Hello All, > > > > The update contains clarification regarding Trickle timer reset handling. > > > > Regards, > > Rahul > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42 > Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > To: > Cc: > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy network= s > WG of the IETF. > > Title : RPL Observations > Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav > Rabi Narayan Sahoo > Yuefeng Wu > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2019-11-26 > > Abstract: > This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various > observations and possible consequences of the design and > implementation choices. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp..ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000f63b8f059863935e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,

I have updated as follows. T= his clarifies the interpretation and then also explains specifically in con= text to multicast DIS/DIO operation.

"
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5.  Interpreting T=
rickle Timer

   Trickle timer defines a mechanism to reset the timer.  Trickle timer
   reset is unlike regular periodic timers wherein the timer is simply
   reset to start again.  Reset of trickle timer implies resetting the
   trickle back to Imin and starting with a new interval as mentioned in
   Section 4.2 of [RFC6206].

|----|--------|----------------|--------------------------------| . . . . .=
 .
 Imin   I2             I3                       I4                       I5

                     Figure 4: Trickle Timer Operation

   The above figure shows an example of trickle intervals.  An interval
   is double that of the previous interval size.  Section 4.2. of
   [RFC6206] states that,

   "If Trickle hears a transmission that is "inconsistent" a=
nd I is
   greater than Imin, it resets the Trickle timer.  To reset the timer,
   Trickle sets I to Imin and starts a new interval as in step 2.  If I
   is equal to Imin when Trickle hears an "inconsistent" transmis=
sion,
   Trickle does nothing.  Trickle can also reset its timer in response
   to external "events"."

   Thus if the trickle timer has advanced to subsequent intervals i.e.,
   >=3D I2, then a reset of trickle timer implies going back to Imin.
   However, if the trickle timer is currently in Imin and if it hears an
   inconsistent transmission then it does nothing.

   In context to multicast DIS/DIO operation, this implies that if the
   DIO trickle timer is already at Imin and if the node hears a
   multicast DIS, then the timer does nothing.  It MUST NOT reset the
   timer again in this case.

   An implementation MUST never restart the timer within an interval.
   For e.g., in the above figure, if the timer is in interval I2, the
   implementation MUST never restart the timer to the beginning of the
   current interval i.e., I2.  If the timer is in interval T2 and if the
   reset is to be done then the interval is set back to Imin.  If the
   timer is already in Imin, then the reset should do nothing.
<= div>"

Best,
Rahul

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 22:31, = Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthuber= t@cisco.com> wrote:

Hello Rahul=C2=A0:

=C2=A0

I mean that if the spec says re= set trickle and I is already Imin then the timer already operates within th= e bounds that are expected so it does not need to be restarted. Now if I wa= s larger than Imin at the time of the reset then it was operating out of bou= nds and needs to be restarted to timeout earlier. Same if K changes, e.g., = by configuration. The current timer operates with the wrong parameters and = should be restarted.

=C2=A0

Makes more sense?=

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 15:25
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observation= s-03.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Pascal,

=C2=A0

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:56, Pascal Thubert (pthube= rt) <pthubert@ci= sco.com> wrote:

Hello Rahul

=C2=A0

I believe I undertand what you = want to d but the text below is really unclear to me

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0 Implementations MUST not= restart the trickle timer to the=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 instantaneous value of I= which could have been advanced over a period=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 of time.

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

[RJ] ok. But I could not think of anything better. M= ay be I should use asciiart and explain with an example. What do you think?=

=C2=A0

What I thought you=E2=80=99d wr= ite is that the trickle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has = changed, making the current run incompatible with the setting.

[RJ] This is unclear for me. Specifically "tric= kle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has changed"=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

All the best

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 13:47
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03= ..txt

=C2=A0

Hello All,

=C2=A0

The update contains clarification regarding Trickle = timer reset handling.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Rahul

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= RPL Observations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Rahu= l Arvind Jadhav
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various =C2=A0 =C2=A0observations and possible consequences of the design and
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Abdussalam Baryun Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 02:37:24 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f584e3059871700f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 00:38:01 -0000 --000000000000f584e3059871700f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:46 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Hello All, > Hi Rahul, > > The update contains clarification regarding Trickle timer reset handling. > > I think it is not clear that this algorithm timer is used depending on the use-case, please see the below link of my discussion to you, before your update, https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/roll/NsjqgzPnjoaOc_POsvbzSzt8dF8 IMHO, the update in the draft-03 is not enough to make it clear, This section needs to clarify where/when the algorithm_timer configuration is allowed and not allowed by the RPL protocol. draft-03> Trickle timer defines a mechanism to reset the timer. AB> the timer does not define a mechanism draf-03>replace> Trickle algorithm defines a mechanism to reset the timer. Regards AB > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: > Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42 > Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > To: > Cc: > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > WG of the IETF. > > Title : RPL Observations > Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav > Rabi Narayan Sahoo > Yuefeng Wu > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2019-11-26 > > Abstract: > This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various > observations and possible consequences of the design and > implementation choices. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000f584e3059871700f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:46 PM Rahul Jadhav= <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> w= rote:
Hello All,
Hi Rahul,=C2=A0

The update contains clarification regarding Trickle timer reset han= dling.

I think it is not clear = that this algorithm timer is used depending on the use-case, please see the= below link of my discussion to you, before your update,


IMHO, the update in the draft-03 is not = enough to make it clear,
This section n= eeds to clarify where/when the algorithm_timer configuration is allowed and= not allowed by the RPL=C2=A0protocol.

draft-03>
T= rickle timer defines a mechanism to reset the timer.

AB> the timer doe= s not define a mechanism

draf-03>replace>
<= span>Trickle algorithm=C2=A0defines a mechanism to reset the timer.
<= span>
Regards
AB
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= RPL Observations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Rahu= l Arvind Jadhav
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rabi Narayan Sahoo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yuefeng Wu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 18
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2019-11-26

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various =C2=A0 =C2=A0observations and possible consequences of the design and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0implementation choices.


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There are also htmlized versions available at:
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https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03

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Trickle timer defines a = mechanism to reset the timer.

AB> the timer does not define a mechanis= m

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Please find my comments inline. On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 23:25, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Hello Rahul > > The text works. I=E2=80=99d have liked that it makes a distinction betwee= n > resetting and restarting. The former acts on parameters the latter on a > running timers. > > Resetting means I<-Imin. That=E2=80=99s it. > [RJ] Imo, This is clarified in the text. Reset simply means go back to Imin, unless you are already in Imin, in which case, do nothing. > Restarting the timer means an API call to the kernel timer services. > These are different things and it would be more clear if we separated > them. > > If I is not Imin then resetting means changing the value of I; this > implies that the current running timer operates on wrong parameters and > this may time out too late. The simple thing to do to solve this is to > restart the timer based on the new parameters. > [RJ] This again is made clear by the statement which says that the timer should go back to Imin if I is not Imin and the nodes hears an inconsistent transmission. I don't think "wrong parameters" would be the term to use because the parameters were not wrong when the interval started. The parameters were invalidated at a later point in time. > But if I is already set into Imin resetting it (to Imin) produces no > effect. Which means that the running timer operates on the right paramete= rs > and doesn=E2=80=99t need to be restarted. > [RJ] If I is at Imin, then the implementation MUST NOT do anything. This is clear as part of 6206 as well as in the example/text in the updates. It is possible that I am not able to catch your drift here. Would it be possible for you to propose 'specific text' in the context? > > Regards, > > Pascal > > Le 28 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 09:06, Rahul Jadhav a =C3= =A9crit : > > =EF=BB=BF > Hi Pascal, > > I have updated as follows. This clarifies the interpretation and then als= o > explains specifically in context to multicast DIS/DIO operation. > > " > > 5. Interpreting Trickle Timer > > Trickle timer defines a mechanism to reset the timer. Trickle timer > reset is unlike regular periodic timers wherein the timer is simply > reset to start again. Reset of trickle timer implies resetting the > trickle back to Imin and starting with a new interval as mentioned in > Section 4.2 of [RFC6206]. > > |----|--------|----------------|--------------------------------| . . . .= . . > Imin I2 I3 I4 = I5 > > Figure 4: Trickle Timer Operation > > The above figure shows an example of trickle intervals. An interval > is double that of the previous interval size. Section 4.2. of > [RFC6206] states that, > > "If Trickle hears a transmission that is "inconsistent" and I is > greater than Imin, it resets the Trickle timer. To reset the timer, > Trickle sets I to Imin and starts a new interval as in step 2. If I > is equal to Imin when Trickle hears an "inconsistent" transmission, > Trickle does nothing. Trickle can also reset its timer in response > to external "events"." > > Thus if the trickle timer has advanced to subsequent intervals i.e., > >=3D I2, then a reset of trickle timer implies going back to Imin. > However, if the trickle timer is currently in Imin and if it hears an > inconsistent transmission then it does nothing. > > In context to multicast DIS/DIO operation, this implies that if the > DIO trickle timer is already at Imin and if the node hears a > multicast DIS, then the timer does nothing. It MUST NOT reset the > timer again in this case. > > An implementation MUST never restart the timer within an interval. > For e.g., in the above figure, if the timer is in interval I2, the > implementation MUST never restart the timer to the beginning of the > current interval i.e., I2. If the timer is in interval T2 and if the > reset is to be done then the interval is set back to Imin. If the > timer is already in Imin, then the reset should do nothing. > > " > https://github.com/roll-wg/rpl-observations/pull/8 > > Best, > Rahul > > On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 22:31, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > >> Hello Rahul : >> >> >> >> I mean that if the spec says reset trickle and I is already Imin then th= e >> timer already operates within the bounds that are expected so it does no= t >> need to be restarted. Now if I was larger than Imin at the time of the >> reset then it was operating out of bounds and needs to be restarted to >> timeout earlier. Same if K changes, e.g., by configuration. The current >> timer operates with the wrong parameters and should be restarted. >> >> >> >> Makes more sense? >> >> >> >> Pascal >> >> >> >> *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Rahul Jadhav >> *Sent:* mardi 26 novembre 2019 15:25 >> *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >> *Subject:* Re: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt >> >> >> >> Hi Pascal, >> >> >> >> On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:56, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < >> pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: >> >> Hello Rahul >> >> >> >> I believe I undertand what you want to d but the text below is really >> unclear to me >> >> =E2=80=9C >> >> Implementations MUST not restart the trickle timer to the >> >> instantaneous value of I which could have been advanced over a >> period >> >> of time. >> >> =E2=80=9C >> >> [RJ] ok. But I could not think of anything better. May be I should use >> asciiart and explain with an example. What do you think? >> >> >> >> What I thought you=E2=80=99d write is that the trickle time needs only b= e >> restarted is one value I, K has changed, making the current run >> incompatible with the setting. >> >> [RJ] This is unclear for me. Specifically "trickle time needs only be >> restarted is one value I, K has changed" >> >> >> >> >> >> All the best >> >> >> >> Pascal >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Roll *On Behalf Of *Rahul Jadhav >> *Sent:* mardi 26 novembre 2019 13:47 >> *To:* Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks >> *Subject:* [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: >> draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03...txt >> >> >> >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> The update contains clarification regarding Trickle timer reset handling= . >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Rahul >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> From: >> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42 >> Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt >> To: >> Cc: >> >> >> >> >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts >> directories. >> This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy >> networks WG of the IETF. >> >> Title : RPL Observations >> Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav >> Rabi Narayan Sahoo >> Yuefeng Wu >> Filename : draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt >> Pages : 18 >> Date : 2019-11-26 >> >> Abstract: >> This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various >> observations and possible consequences of the design and >> implementation choices. >> >> >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ >> >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-0= 3 >> >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp...ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Roll mailing list >> Roll@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll >> > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000bf86060598744bc3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Pascal for the review of the updat= e and comments.
Please find my comments inline.
On = Thu, 28 Nov 2019 at 23:25, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:
Hello Rahul=C2=A0

The text works. I=E2=80=99d have liked that it makes a distinction bet= ween resetting and restarting. The former acts on parameters the latter on = a running timers.=C2=A0

Resetting means I<-Imin. That=E2=80=99s it.
[RJ] Imo, This is clarified in the text. Reset simply means go back t= o Imin, unless you are already in Imin, in which case, do nothing.
=C2=A0
Restarting the timer means an API call to the kernel timer services.
These are different things and it would be more clear if we separated = them.=C2=A0

If I is not Imin then resetting means changing the value of I; this im= plies that the current running timer operates on wrong parameters and this = may time out too late. The simple thing to do to solve this is to restart t= he timer based on the new parameters.=C2=A0=C2=A0
<= div>=C2=A0
[RJ] This again is made clear by the statement which s= ays that the timer should go back to Imin if I is not Imin and the nodes he= ars an inconsistent transmission. I don't think "wrong parameters&= quot; would be the term to use because the parameters were not wrong when t= he interval started. The parameters were invalidated at a later point in ti= me.

<= div dir=3D"auto">

But if I is already set into Imin resetting it (to Imin) produces no e= ffect. Which means that the running timer operates on the right parameters = and doesn=E2=80=99t need to be restarted.
[RJ]= If I is at Imin, then the implementation MUST NOT do anything. This is cle= ar as part of 6206 as well as in the example/text in the updates.

It is possible that I am not able to catch your drift here.= Would it be possible for you to propose 'specific text' in the con= text?



Regards,

Pascal

Le 28 nov. 2019 =C3=A0 09:06, Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.co= m> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

=EF=BB=BF
Hi Pascal,

I have updated as follows. This clarifies the interpretation and then = also explains specifically in context to multicast DIS/DIO operation.

"
5.  Interpreting Trick=
le Timer

   Trickle timer defines a mechanism to reset the timer.  Trickle timer
   reset is unlike regular periodic timers wherein the timer is simply
   reset to start again.  Reset of trickle timer implies resetting the
   trickle back to Imin and starting with a new interval as mentioned in
   Section 4.2 of [RFC6206].

|----|--------|----------------|--------------------------------| . . . . .=
 .
 Imin   I2             I3                       I4                       I5

                     Figure 4: Trickle Timer Operation

   The above figure shows an example of trickle intervals.  An interval
   is double that of the previous interval size.  Section 4.2. of
   [RFC6206] states that,

   "If Trickle hears a transmission that is "inconsistent" a=
nd I is
   greater than Imin, it resets the Trickle timer.  To reset the timer,
   Trickle sets I to Imin and starts a new interval as in step 2.  If I
   is equal to Imin when Trickle hears an "inconsistent" transmis=
sion,
   Trickle does nothing.  Trickle can also reset its timer in response
   to external "events"."

   Thus if the trickle timer has advanced to subsequent intervals i.e.,
   >=3D I2, then a reset of trickle timer implies going back to Imin.
   However, if the trickle timer is currently in Imin and if it hears an
   inconsistent transmission then it does nothing.

   In context to multicast DIS/DIO operation, this implies that if the
   DIO trickle timer is already at Imin and if the node hears a
   multicast DIS, then the timer does nothing.  It MUST NOT reset the
   timer again in this case.

   An implementation MUST never restart the timer within an interval.
   For e.g., in the above figure, if the timer is in interval I2, the
   implementation MUST never restart the timer to the beginning of the
   current interval i.e., I2.  If the timer is in interval T2 and if the
   reset is to be done then the interval is set back to Imin.  If the
   timer is already in Imin, then the reset should do nothing.
"

Best,
Rahul

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 22:31, Pascal = Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

Hello Rahul=C2=A0:

=C2=A0

I mean that if the spec says re= set trickle and I is already Imin then the timer already operates within th= e bounds that are expected so it does not need to be restarted. Now if I wa= s larger than Imin at the time of the reset then it was operating out of bounds and needs to be restarted to tim= eout earlier. Same if K changes, e.g., by configuration. The current timer = operates with the wrong parameters and should be restarted.

=C2=A0

Makes more sense?=

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 15:25
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observation= s-03.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Pascal,

=C2=A0

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:56, Pascal Thubert (pthube= rt) <pthubert@ci= sco.com> wrote:

Hello Rahul

=C2=A0

I believe I undertand what you = want to d but the text below is really unclear to me

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

=C2=A0 Implementations MUST not= restart the trickle timer to the=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 instantaneous value of I= which could have been advanced over a period=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0 of time.

=E2=80=9C<= /p>

[RJ] ok. But I could not think of anything better. M= ay be I should use asciiart and explain with an example. What do you think?=

=C2=A0

What I thought you=E2=80=99d wr= ite is that the trickle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has = changed, making the current run incompatible with the setting.

[RJ] This is unclear for me. Specifically "tric= kle time needs only be restarted is one value I, K has changed"=C2=A0<= u>

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

All the best

=C2=A0

Pascal

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav
Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 13:47
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: [Roll] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03= ...txt

=C2=A0

Hello All,

=C2=A0

The update contains clarification regarding Trickle = timer reset handling.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Rahul

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Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 20:42
Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt
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Cc: <roll@ietf.org>




A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= RPL Observations
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Rahu= l Arvind Jadhav
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Rabi Narayan Sahoo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Yuefeng Wu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-rpl-observations-03.txt
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes RPL protocol design issues, various =C2=A0 =C2=A0observations and possible consequences of the design and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0implementation choices.


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