From nobody Mon Mar 2 02:20:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789553A040B for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 02:20:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WIpPav3F70LM for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 02:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x934.google.com (mail-ua1-x934.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::934]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C2443A0745 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 02:20:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x934.google.com with SMTP id y3so3409557uae.3 for ; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 02:20:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qiE+tFX75dhn3qGOwIyMmBnnYfkX+rgFG7nYq3FhRtA=; b=PNKbhtWRXSNTdfcJTUZkS9HCVzqcAi7NHRqbBHC3ZNZ+K8gse6RHrmLiLcANsYJqYL obEMHwSs3kc0jSfejc27WsXShuhidpxaSeHE1KyyvoQklXX7I0dcZ8kOtBIYAOw3nwrb E31Obzq+EUieL5OnPj24aXjh0zKIck5aihRoSjt+7cP0ylTO9WytR7154EDShD4hsC1d D+CBkgRJn13QbYvQvCyGrGDMw3gr76DQq7AIPuI0Chzw/SD3cw7nQ8ISudu3pnAb/lEI gXxfuhJQirW8l4tE5HxKrHxtX3c0k7W+qUf/jO1vP3FdErsC2SALQVEtUNhfBZ6nGm8L 9+pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qiE+tFX75dhn3qGOwIyMmBnnYfkX+rgFG7nYq3FhRtA=; b=l56DixiAZvu0acoipX4BKrYOq91nTmzI/meYyCOLVL5kZVjzCZNsVc7BlkE24WY/pt mxaTrlhB81ehZjfT6+NLoXf+Hu+nnZQ3au7cjDSOGm0Q1t2E+WS5wEfr9TyS9jJOgAYQ wgzRjgf8TCHjaY4rPPaD4wxpjPmxGcN4ZT1ZDV95iVhZR6W8qOzTlEl5zpo2j/2tkAqH cVRtI0iQvr3w/DeQuwCcbg+FRyXrjsgVYfd/coLF5Zv+Nr8r611I2xzjurzwu57c1zbe kt4A+xcrYbevj5vnmgUMAOOyXnY19wG1NFnWv8IGSbCOxwSzYSxEGlKC09kEpKb/7z7E zR/A== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ2H0GNcuhrKEvCQlKMKI5W+yOo5Ew6p/w80j673pq5mYlmwvG6o X+rMRJDGME6P5mMBafdiGw2NwgWMlKG27cj2DC36qxQY4uU= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vuo1UFwsZSAzSYKrJY4wUtnSTC+7ojl+mGssYR2onTsJTpidw8idqBpmhvclNur5O6810ob30UTeC0Qea0ifak= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:2615:: with SMTP id 21mr4037363uag.107.1583144433345; Mon, 02 Mar 2020 02:20:33 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Ines Robles Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 12:19:57 +0200 Message-ID: To: roll Cc: dominique barthel , Michael Richardson Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000093ede3059fdc897a" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] IETF 107: Call for presentations X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 10:20:42 -0000 --00000000000093ede3059fdc897a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, Following the preliminary agenda, ROLL is scheduled with two meetings of one hour on Monday and two hours on Tuesday. Please let us know before 10th March if you desire to present a topic during IETF 107 specifying: 1- Topic 2- Presenter 3- Time needed 4- Please specify if it is remotely or on-site. Thank you! :-) Ines, Dominique and Michael. --00000000000093ede3059fdc897a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Following the preliminary age= nda, ROLL is scheduled with two meetings of one hour on Monday and two hour= s on Tuesday.=C2=A0

Please let us know before 10th= March if you desire to present a topic during=C2=A0IETF 107 specifying:

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Ines, Dominique and Michael.
--00000000000093ede3059fdc897a-- From nobody Mon Mar 2 03:58:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60CC13A0985 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 03:58:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YwWYVcLzLEou for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 03:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.96.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 436403A0997 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 03:58:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8CCD61B99726 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 12:58:46 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id EkHjK4_q9Io0 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 12:58:44 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:ac95:3805:4c55:2928] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:ac95:3805:4c55:2928]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 12:58:43 +0100 (CET) To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks References: From: Konrad Iwanicki Message-ID: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 12:59:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 11:58:57 -0000 Dear all, I am new to the list, so apologies if I fail to follow some conventions. In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had been invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border routers. Since I have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly appreciate any help. Following Dominique’s advice, I did browse the topics that were being discussed on the ROLL list in the last two years and did not find any major overlaps. At the same time, the extension seems to match the current charter of the WG, notably with respect to reliability and manageability. Below I thus try to briefly motivate and summarize the extension, so that you can judge how relevant it is and so that hopefully somebody gets interested in helping to write it up. The extension was inspired by numerous commercial LLN deployments, which we did for a range of industries. What we noticed in virtually all cases is that the major causes of sensor data unavailability were crashes of border routers. The explanation is rather intuitive. Border routers typically rely on a tethered power supply and in practice it is often not economic, or even impossible, to provide them with a battery backup. Therefore, power outages are major problems. Another issue is that border routers are also more intricate, in terms of both hardware and software, than low-power nodes. As such, they are also more likely to malfunction. What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle crashes of border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down nonexistent upward routes can take a lot of time (depending on the data-plane traffic) and generate considerable control traffic, which is problematic in many applications. What we did to address the problem was developing an algorithm, called RNFD, in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border router of the DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS implementation of the algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and 76 nodes at 868MHz) and in simulations show that it can outperform bare RPL: it can detect a border router crash one or two orders of magnitude faster and with much lower control traffic [1]. To verify these results and come up with a way of best integrating RNFD with RPL, we also did an independent implementation of RNFD (for which I did not write a single line of code) and integrated it with RPL-Lite from ContikiNG [3]. Experiments with that implementation on a network of ~150 nodes at 2.4GHz and in a different simulator again confirmed the aforementioned performance gains resulting from employing RNFD [3]. I am looking forward to your comments or questions (and hopefully volunteers to help me with the draft). Below you can find the previous citations. I would also be happy to provide more details. References: [1] K. Iwanicki: “RNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (Root) Node Failures in Low-Power Wireless Networks,” in IPSN 2016: Proceedings of the 15th ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in Sensor Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1—12. DOI: 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: “Failure Handling in RPL Implementations: An Experimental Qualitative Study,” in Mission-Oriented Sensor Networks and Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). Springer International Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. pp. 49—95. DOI: 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3 [3] P. Ciolkosz: “Integration of the RNFD Algorithm for Border Router Failure Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,” Master's Thesis, University of Warsaw. November 2019. Best regards, -- - Konrad Iwanicki. From nobody Mon Mar 2 11:11:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2B673A0F52 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 11:11:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gSfh2XWVRZRo for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 11:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F56E3A0F36 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 11:11:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADD353897A for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:10:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B96EE6 for ; Mon, 2 Mar 2020 14:11:45 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 19:11:49 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Welcome! Konrad Iwanicki wrote: > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had b= een > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border routers.= Since I > have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly appre= ciate > any help. Use the markdown method, and use someone's template github. > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle cr= ashes of > border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down nonexistent = upward > routes can take a lot of time (depending on the data-plane traffic) a= nd > generate considerable control traffic, which is problematic in many > applications. Rahul and Pascal (and others) have had a lot of conversation about how we deal with the various lollipop counters. So I am interested in what your border router does when it boots: how does it announce the new DIOs? > What we did to address the problem was developing an algorithm, calle= d RNFD, > in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border router of= the > DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS implementation of= the > algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and 76 nodes at 868MHz)= and in > simulations show that it can outperform bare RPL: it can detect a bor= der > router crash one or two orders of magnitude faster and with much lower > control traffic [1]. okay. > [1] K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CRNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (Roo= t) Node Failures > in Low-Power Wireless Networks,=E2=80=9D in IPSN 2016: Proceedings of= the 15th > ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in Sensor > Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1=E2=80=9412. DOI: > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 Unfortunately, it's behind the IEEE paywall. I have given up on getting documents from the IEEE. I guess you have been working on this for at least five years now. > [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CFailure Handling in RPL I= mplementations: > An Experimental Qualitative Study,=E2=80=9D in Mission-Oriented Senso= r Networks and > Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). Springer International > Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. pp. 49=E2=80=9495. DOI: > 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3 > [3] P. Ciolkosz: =E2=80=9CIntegration of the RNFD Algorithm for Borde= r Router Failure > Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,=E2=80=9D Ma= ster's Thesis, > University of Warsaw. 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Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: <7837_1582616627_5E54D033_7837_172_1_DA7A8E46.70EAF%dominique.barthel@orange.com> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:18:09 +0100 Message-Id: <85493558-7A31-4721-B1BC-E881634DD38C@imt-atlantique.fr> References: <25671_1582563156_5E53FF54_25671_231_1_DA79B8DE.70E40%dominique.barthel@orange.com> <7837_1582616627_5E54D033_7837_172_1_DA7A8E46.70EAF%dominique.barthel@orange.com> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] DIS-modifications use cases; Re: FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 10:18:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FC85C311-3E60-46EB-8A64-039C859E94E1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear all, I just updated the repository with Rahul=E2=80=99s use-case = =E2=80=9CAdjacencies probing with RPL=E2=80=9D : = https://github.com/roll-wg/roll-dis-modifications-use-cases = Many thanks Rahul!=20 Please let me know if you have more use-cases in mind. Thx, Georgios > On Feb 25, 2020, at 08:43, dominique.barthel@orange.com wrote: >=20 > Hello Rahul, all, >=20 > Thanks, Rahul, for your contribution, this is helpful! > WG, others ideas, comments? > Best regards >=20 > Dominique >=20 > De : Roll > on = behalf of Rahul Jadhav > > R=C3=A9pondre =C3=A0 : "roll@ietf.org " = > > Date : Tuesday 25 February 2020 06:38 > =C3=80 : "roll@ietf.org " > > Objet : Re: [Roll] DIS-modifications use cases; Re: FW: New Version = Notification for draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 22:22, > wrote: >> Dear Rollers, >>=20 >> In preparation for the modification of the DIS (DODAG Information >> Solicitation), we are collecting the use cases. >> We want to make sure we understand all the requirements before = crafting a >> solution. >> Georgios has kindly prepared a document on the ROLL GitHub repo. >> See a text rendition at >> = https://github.com/roll-wg/roll-dis-modifications-use-cases/blob/master/dr= a >> ft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-modifications-use-cases.txt = > [RJ] Thanks Georgios. This surely helps. I am assuming that the = use-cases text will get merged in the dis-modifications draft. > One point mentioned in the use-cases draft is that unicast DIS can = request __specific__ metric information from the parent. Currently, the = parent sends the complete metric set to the child using unicast DIO. = Wondering whether we need this mechanism for sending specific metric = info back to the child node. The draft does not give a use-case for = this. Anyways, this would be discussed when the drafts get merged and = sent to the group. >=20 >> Currently, the document has two use cases: >> - a new node joins an established RPL network. The use case calls for = a >> fairly quick confirmation that the node has joined with a good = quality >> path. However, we don't want to reset the Trickle timers of all = nearby >> routers and trigger broadcast, since the use case is that just one = new >> node was added/replaced/rebooted. >> - another use case is that several nodes join at about the same time = (e.g. >> electricity meters all reboot following power outage). We want the = DIOs to >> be sent with broadcast so that all joining nodes benefit from them. >> The draft draft-thubert-roll-eliding-dio-information-03 has another >> request for modifying the DIS. We'll soon incorporate it into the use >> cases document. >=20 > [RJ] Another use-case is of "adjacency probing". While (I believe) no = new primitives need to be added, still the use-case is well-worth = mentioning. The RPL-observations draft points to this use-case and you = can pick some text from there. > =20 > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez = recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler > a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les = messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, > Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, = deforme ou falsifie. 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Dear all,

I just updated the repository with = Rahul=E2=80=99s use-case =E2=80=9CAdjacencies probing with RPL=E2=80=9D = : https://github.com/roll-wg/roll-dis-modifications-use-cases=
Many thanks Rahul! 

Please let me know if you have more = use-cases in mind.

Thx,
Georgios


On Feb 25, 2020, at 08:43, dominique.barthel@orange.com wrote:

Hello Rahul, all,

Thanks, Rahul,  for your contribution, this is = helpful!
WG, others ideas, comments?
Best regards

Dominique

De : Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Rahul Jadhav = <rahul.ietf@gmail.com>
R=C3=A9pondre =C3=A0 : = "roll@ietf.org" = <roll@ietf.org>
Date : Tuesday = 25 February 2020 06:38
=C3=80 : "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Objet : Re: = [Roll] DIS-modifications use cases; Re: FW: New Version Notification for = draft-ietf-roll-dis-modifications-01.txt



On Mon, 24 Feb 2020 at 22:22, = <dominique.barthel@orange.com> wrote:
Dear Rollers,

In preparation for the modification of the DIS (DODAG Information
Solicitation), we are collecting the use cases.
We want to make sure we understand all the requirements before crafting = a
solution.
Georgios has kindly prepared a document on the ROLL GitHub repo.
See a text rendition at
https://github.com/roll-wg/roll-dis-modifications-use-cases/blo= b/master/dra
ft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-modifications-use-cases.txt

[RJ] Thanks Georgios. This surely helps. I am assuming = that the use-cases text will get merged in the dis-modifications = draft.
One point mentioned in the use-cases draft is that = unicast DIS can request __specific__ metric information from the parent. = Currently, the parent sends the complete metric set to the child using = unicast DIO. Wondering whether we need this mechanism for sending specific metric info back to the child node. The draft does not = give a use-case for this. Anyways, this would be discussed when the = drafts get merged and sent to the group.

Currently, the document has two use cases:
- a new node joins an established RPL network. The use case calls for = a
fairly quick confirmation that the node has joined with a good = quality
path. However, we don't want to reset the Trickle timers of all = nearby
routers and trigger broadcast, since the use case is that just one = new
node was added/replaced/rebooted.
- another use case is that several nodes join at about the same time = (e.g.
electricity meters all reboot following power outage). We want the DIOs = to
be sent with broadcast so that all joining nodes benefit from them.
The draft draft-thubert-roll-eliding-dio-information-03 has another
request for modifying the DIS. We'll soon incorporate it into the use
cases document.

[RJ] Another use-case is of "adjacency probing". While = (I believe) no new primitives need to be added, still the use-case is = well-worth mentioning. The RPL-observations draft points to this = use-case and you can pick some text from there.
 
 
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I have a few questions with regard to the problem statement before we dive into the solution part. Border Router (BR) crash/restart is an issue and any deployment needs to tackle it (IMO, in version 0.1). As I understand the aim of the paper is to ensure that the attached nodes should detect the BR failure asap. Just curious to understand how the nodes use this information in your deployments? What will be the use-case of this detection? In my deployments, my focus was to get the BR restarted as soon as possible and then ensure that the nodes below it could rejoin the restarted BR. This would mean that BR needs to backup some state information that would be used post-crash-recovery. On the contrary, in my scenario, it was necessary to detect 6LN/6LR failure without depending on periodical pings from nodes to central sever i.e., for some reason if the node (non-BR node) is stuck, then BR should detect it asap (without depending on route lifetime since it could be very high) so that measures could be taken (for e.g., send a personnel to repair the smart meter). This also is non-trivial to handle. For BR, it is always possible to ping on the external leg and check availability. Also, BR unavailability means no traffic going out from any nodes and thus is easy to identify on the external monitoring system. Also, as Michael mentioned, the working group had discussed some issues with respect to reboot handling (on 6LN/6LR/BR) and it has been captured in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ It would be immensely helpful to get your view on those points. Best, Rahul On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 00:42, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Welcome! > > Konrad Iwanicki wrote: > > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had > been > > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border > routers. Since I > > have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly > appreciate > > any help. > > Use the markdown method, and use someone's template github. > > > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle > crashes of > > border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down nonexisten= t > upward > > routes can take a lot of time (depending on the data-plane traffic) > and > > generate considerable control traffic, which is problematic in many > > applications. > > Rahul and Pascal (and others) have had a lot of conversation about how we > deal with the various lollipop counters. So I am interested in what your > border router does when it boots: how does it announce the new DIOs? > > > What we did to address the problem was developing an algorithm, > called RNFD, > > in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border router > of the > > DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS implementation > of the > > algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and 76 nodes at > 868MHz) and in > > simulations show that it can outperform bare RPL: it can detect a > border > > router crash one or two orders of magnitude faster and with much > lower > > control traffic [1]. > > okay. > > > [1] K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CRNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (R= oot) Node > Failures > > in Low-Power Wireless Networks,=E2=80=9D in IPSN 2016: Proceedings = of the > 15th > > ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in Sens= or > > Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1=E2=80=9412. DOI: > > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 > > Unfortunately, it's behind the IEEE paywall. > I have given up on getting documents from the IEEE. > I guess you have been working on this for at least five years now. > > > [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CFailure Handling in RPL > Implementations: > > An Experimental Qualitative Study,=E2=80=9D in Mission-Oriented Sen= sor > Networks and > > Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). Springer > International > > Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. pp. 49=E2=80=9495. D= OI: > > 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3 > > > [3] P. Ciolkosz: =E2=80=9CIntegration of the RNFD Algorithm for Bor= der > Router Failure > > Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,=E2=80=9D = Master's > Thesis, > > University of Warsaw. November 2019. > > -- > Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works > -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000b1d080059ff100ca Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Welcome Konrad and great to hear you on ROLL,
=C2=A0I had access to your paper (through my office IEEE act) and have read th= e problem statement and the proposed solution.

I h= ave a few questions with regard to the problem statement before we dive int= o the solution part.

Border Router (BR) crash/rest= art is an issue and any deployment needs to tackle it (IMO, in version 0.1)= . As I understand the aim of the paper is to ensure that the attached nodes= should detect the BR failure asap. Just curious to understand how the node= s use this information in your deployments? What will be the use-case of th= is detection?

In my deployments, my focus wa= s to get the BR restarted as soon as=C2=A0possible and then ensure that the= nodes below it could rejoin the restarted BR. This would mean that BR need= s to backup some state information that would be used post-crash-recovery.<= /div>
On the contrary, in my scenario, it was necessary to detect 6LN/6= LR failure without depending on periodical pings from nodes to central seve= r i.e., for some reason if the node (non-BR node) is stuck, then BR should = detect it asap (without depending on route lifetime since it could be very = high) so that measures could be taken (for e.g., send a personnel to repair= the smart meter). This also is non-trivial to handle. For BR, it is always= possible to ping on the external leg and check availability. Also, BR unav= ailability means no traffic going out from any nodes and thus is easy to id= entify on the external monitoring system.

Also, as= Michael mentioned, the working group had discussed some issues with respec= t to reboot handling (on 6LN/6LR/BR) and it has been captured in=C2=A0h= ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/
=
It would be immensely helpful to get your view on those points.
<= div>
Best,
Rahul

On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 00:42, = Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:

Welcome!

Konrad Iwanicki <iwanicki@mimuw.edu.pl> wrote:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to R= PL that had been
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of bo= rder routers. Since I
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would = greatly appreciate
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > any help.

Use the markdown method, and use someone's template github.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficien= tly handle crashes of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down= nonexistent upward
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > routes can take a lot of time (depending on the data-pla= ne traffic) and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > generate considerable control traffic, which is problema= tic in many
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > applications.

Rahul and Pascal (and others) have had a lot of conversation about how we deal with the various lollipop counters.=C2=A0 So I am interested in what y= our
border router does when it boots: how does it announce the new DIOs?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What we did to address the problem was developing an alg= orithm, called RNFD,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a bor= der router of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS impl= ementation of the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and 76 nod= es at 868MHz) and in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > simulations show that it can outperform bare RPL: it can= detect a border
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > router crash one or two orders of magnitude faster and w= ith much lower
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > control traffic [1].

okay.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > [1] K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CRNFD: Routing-Layer Detection = of DODAG (Root) Node Failures
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > in Low-Power Wireless Networks,=E2=80=9D in IPSN 2016: P= roceedings of the 15th
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Process= ing in Sensor
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1=E2=80= =9412. DOI:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720

Unfortunately, it's behind the IEEE paywall.
I have given up on getting documents from the IEEE.
I guess you have been working on this for at least five years now.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CFailure Hand= ling in RPL Implementations:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > An Experimental Qualitative Study,=E2=80=9D in Mission-O= riented Sensor Networks and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). Springer= International
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. pp. 49=E2= =80=9495. DOI:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > [3] P. Ciolkosz: =E2=80=9CIntegration of the RNFD Algori= thm for Border Router Failure
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets= ,=E2=80=9D Master's Thesis,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 > University of Warsaw. November 2019.

--
Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
=C2=A0-=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D-

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--000000000000b1d080059ff100ca-- From nobody Tue Mar 3 04:28:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0B633A1E80 for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 04:28:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iPmiI5yaOiRl for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 04:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x92d.google.com (mail-ua1-x92d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E2BE3A1E7F for ; Tue, 3 Mar 2020 04:28:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x92d.google.com with SMTP id o42so1013694uad.10 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 04:28:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=NGkulb60bIwjZORSMxEPn05QhAw1S3e4si+WbB4tXbU=; b=ipsv6fSws87yW3PZESL6la46p6Q8Vx5UVF9ItBpde1WyCX0uiT1v7D5cs48RihElOT 8T5hNAAhzpid9fqNyvTypmcWO514m8Gb7QyF4dPOm20b2SRLOTvNvV3kOFEFn0piD8qv +osuX9auVaVEezDmN2UjVpBAeu67GSMsVSl5FbW6wBAi9U+hiEtLg3aOX6gsWq3gjfCz C5KLxw/U3n4LVbS/K/MqD2fXxFW9mmBsMPzS+zapyjxuZnWSXS2cxyILb0s7zI83Sek0 QKXmy5yM8kcEE919pOGSuGq+apJ4jRG/lj9T062RNrvchQp9yFBbGLEz8nZBFphFJa3X ffQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=NGkulb60bIwjZORSMxEPn05QhAw1S3e4si+WbB4tXbU=; b=uTTD8rdXh1BgAr7EQsZZKCGa6eQwj2uWs2jUZfhSzX+Rpinx/wvmELuPCsrGBItBjV uy9nuZ+9/AFixNM01DLaUWrXdz9VqhqAMTvxmjxcDklmW7qxadqMXCvdheTS03wvTkTX r4WCUWHSJWUZeleaz1Zo+71tEVusLi1XTb8/LX3E4ffK9AsOq0VRTSaPXKCBzSrHSqao Pw8u7Bsvpu7UkX162vHzsFEVbCFdZ+mnqKEBOmAFg8v+N7WEOWaPSEVE22RlwWwRbsyh 5UmkordIIuwsa7jhJ2W56EEPMyLddRRC2XeFZd1x/pBDrccQICT3sssxs4XfVkPiXn0x PGnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ1vRoQHczbknO4TT7gIScej5U/mDYavVzkplQhre9WJmeqddEx1 5R9QuJbkqwKbiY6ELQScLHumPXq13A+Cbo29XHFHHwsYFVk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vsEogF1GEzR4OGPd4XnSLQ3quGpfHgVhMrjbggfrpK71cAj4c26SdCQKLE1Mbn23bUvfY3ArxUJ4d9vOgXwUlI= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:66c1:: with SMTP id d1mr2513742uaq.51.1583238490274; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 04:28:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> In-Reply-To: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> From: Ines Robles Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 14:27:34 +0200 Message-ID: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000cec02d059ff26f8e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 12:28:14 -0000 --000000000000cec02d059ff26f8e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Konrad, Thank you very much for your email to the mailing list and welcome :-) Here are some guidelines [1] to write IETF-Drafts, e.g. as Michael says for markdown[2], good tools for writing IETF-Drafts [3] and good tutorials about IETF [4] and for newcomers [5]. Please be aware that all the IETF activities follows the note well [6] This is our github [7], in general we create one repository for ietf-draft. If you desire, you could give me your username I can add you with the permissions, so you can create a repository and put your public work there. That is very useful to work together and easy for people to create issues. To submit the draft to the ROLL site, please goes to [8] and select I-D submission tool: name your draft as follows: draft-yourlastname-roll-maintopicofdraft-00 and it is going to be displayed in the section called "Related Internet-Drafts " in the ROLL Documents page. It would be great if you could attend the IETF 107 remotely [9], so you can see how it is an IETF meeting. There is no fee to participate remotely in IETF, but registration is required to access video and other information via Meetecho. Please let us know if you need further help. Best regards, Ines. [1] https://ietf.org/about/participate/tutorials/process/creating-internet-draf= ts-and-rfcs/ [2] https://www.ietf.org/about/participate/tutorials/process/writing-rfcs-and-i= nternet-drafts-markdown-and-bit-yaml/ [3] https://www.rfc-editor.org/pubprocess/tools/ [4] https://www.ietf.org/about/participate/tutorials/ [5] https://www.ietf.org/about/participate/tutorials/newcomers/ [6] https://www.ietf.org/about/note-well/ [7] https://github.com/roll-wg [8] https://www.ietf.org/how/tools/ [9] https://ietf.org/how/meetings/107/remote/ On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:59 PM Konrad Iwanicki wrote: > Dear all, > > I am new to the list, so apologies if I fail to follow some conventions. > > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had been > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border routers. > Since I have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly > appreciate any help. > > Following Dominique=E2=80=99s advice, I did browse the topics that were b= eing > discussed on the ROLL list in the last two years and did not find any > major overlaps. At the same time, the extension seems to match the > current charter of the WG, notably with respect to reliability and > manageability. Below I thus try to briefly motivate and summarize the > extension, so that you can judge how relevant it is and so that > hopefully somebody gets interested in helping to write it up. > > The extension was inspired by numerous commercial LLN deployments, which > we did for a range of industries. What we noticed in virtually all cases > is that the major causes of sensor data unavailability were crashes of > border routers. The explanation is rather intuitive. Border routers > typically rely on a tethered power supply and in practice it is often > not economic, or even impossible, to provide them with a battery backup. > Therefore, power outages are major problems. Another issue is that > border routers are also more intricate, in terms of both hardware and > software, than low-power nodes. As such, they are also more likely to > malfunction. > > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle > crashes of border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down > nonexistent upward routes can take a lot of time (depending on the > data-plane traffic) and generate considerable control traffic, which is > problematic in many applications. > > What we did to address the problem was developing an algorithm, called > RNFD, in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border router > of the DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS > implementation of the algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and > 76 nodes at 868MHz) and in simulations show that it can outperform bare > RPL: it can detect a border router crash one or two orders of magnitude > faster and with much lower control traffic [1]. > > To verify these results and come up with a way of best integrating RNFD > with RPL, we also did an independent implementation of RNFD (for which I > did not write a single line of code) and integrated it with RPL-Lite > from ContikiNG [3]. Experiments with that implementation on a network of > ~150 nodes at 2.4GHz and in a different simulator again confirmed the > aforementioned performance gains resulting from employing RNFD [3]. > > I am looking forward to your comments or questions (and hopefully > volunteers to help me with the draft). Below you can find the previous > citations. I would also be happy to provide more details. > > References: > > [1] K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CRNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (Root) N= ode > Failures in Low-Power Wireless Networks,=E2=80=9D in IPSN 2016: Proceedin= gs of > the 15th ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in > Sensor Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1=E2=80=9412. DOI= : > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 > > [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CFailure Handling in RPL > Implementations: An Experimental Qualitative Study,=E2=80=9D in Mission-O= riented > Sensor Networks and Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). > Springer International Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. > pp. 49=E2=80=9495. DOI: 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3 > > [3] P. Ciolkosz: =E2=80=9CIntegration of the RNFD Algorithm for Border Ro= uter > Failure Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,=E2=80= =9D > Master's Thesis, University of Warsaw. November 2019. > > Best regards, > -- > - Konrad Iwanicki. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000cec02d059ff26f8e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Konrad,

Thank you v= ery much for your email to the mailing list and welcome :-)

<= /div>
Here are some guidelines [1] to write IETF-Drafts, e.g. as Michae= l says for markdown[2], good tools for writing IETF-Drafts [3] and good tut= orials about IETF [4] and for newcomers [5].

Pleas= e be aware that all the IETF activities follows the note well [6]

This is our github [7], in general we create one repository= for ietf-draft. If you desire, you could give me your username I can add y= ou with the permissions, so you can create a repository and put your public= work there. That is very useful to work together and easy for people to cr= eate issues.=C2=A0

To submit the draft to the ROLL= site, please goes to [8] and select I-D submission tool: name your draft a= s follows:=C2=A0draft-yourlastname-roll-maintopicofdraft-00 and it is going= to be displayed in the section called "Related Internet-Drafts "= in the ROLL Documents page.

It would be great if = you could attend the IETF 107 remotely [9], so you can see how it is an IET= F meeting.=C2=A0There is no fee to participate remotely in IETF, but regist= ration is required to access video and other information via Meetecho.

Please let us know if you need further help.

Best regards,

Ines.

=
[2] https://www.ietf.o= rg/about/participate/tutorials/process/writing-rfcs-and-internet-drafts-mar= kdown-and-bit-yaml/
On Mon, = Mar 2, 2020 at 1:59 PM Konrad Iwanicki <iwanicki@mimuw.edu.pl> wrote:
Dear all,

I am new to the list, so apologies if I fail to follow some conventions.
In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had been invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border routers.
Since I have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly appreciate any help.

Following Dominique=E2=80=99s advice, I did browse the topics that were bei= ng
discussed on the ROLL list in the last two years and did not find any
major overlaps. At the same time, the extension seems to match the
current charter of the WG, notably with respect to reliability and
manageability. Below I thus try to briefly motivate and summarize the
extension, so that you can judge how relevant it is and so that
hopefully somebody gets interested in helping to write it up.

The extension was inspired by numerous commercial LLN deployments, which we did for a range of industries. What we noticed in virtually all cases is that the major causes of sensor data unavailability were crashes of
border routers. The explanation is rather intuitive. Border routers
typically rely on a tethered power supply and in practice it is often
not economic, or even impossible, to provide them with a battery backup. Therefore, power outages are major problems. Another issue is that
border routers are also more intricate, in terms of both hardware and
software, than low-power nodes. As such, they are also more likely to
malfunction.

What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle
crashes of border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down
nonexistent upward routes can take a lot of time (depending on the
data-plane traffic) and generate considerable control traffic, which is problematic in many applications.

What we did to address the problem was developing an algorithm, called
RNFD, in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border router of the DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS
implementation of the algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and 76 nodes at 868MHz) and in simulations show that it can outperform bare RPL: it can detect a border router crash one or two orders of magnitude faster and with much lower control traffic [1].

To verify these results and come up with a way of best integrating RNFD with RPL, we also did an independent implementation of RNFD (for which I did not write a single line of code) and integrated it with RPL-Lite
from ContikiNG [3]. Experiments with that implementation on a network of ~150 nodes at 2.4GHz and in a different simulator again confirmed the
aforementioned performance gains resulting from employing RNFD [3].

I am looking forward to your comments or questions (and hopefully
volunteers to help me with the draft). Below you can find the previous
citations. I would also be happy to provide more details.

References:

[1] K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CRNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (Root) Nod= e
Failures in Low-Power Wireless Networks,=E2=80=9D in IPSN 2016: Proceedings= of
the 15th ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in Sensor Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1=E2=80=9412. DOI: =
10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720

[2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: =E2=80=9CFailure Handling in RPL
Implementations: An Experimental Qualitative Study,=E2=80=9D in Mission-Ori= ented
Sensor Networks and Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.).
Springer International Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019.
pp. 49=E2=80=9495. DOI: 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3

[3] P. Ciolkosz: =E2=80=9CIntegration of the RNFD Algorithm for Border Rout= er
Failure Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,=E2=80=9D =
Master's Thesis, University of Warsaw. November 2019.

Best regards,
--
- Konrad Iwanicki.

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Received: by mail-il1-f182.google.com with SMTP id r4so3021565iln.0 for ; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 06:54:23 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ2nIs4lrQOI7e45v35jAgKIuJ7YGfhdtP/LXT8IS2VFsw4ObbUA s9x3+OBsRqfTBJWonWzxaIguBoEKGMc3NxJvwwE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtAyC1NoftCFIMomxrHz5yJep/20iKGow/TOoOBUmd3VaL8fVT0q/aiV+2gHnS630rSLdLAA5YUiCs6S6RgPLo= X-Received: by 2002:a92:3a86:: with SMTP id i6mr5400535ilf.168.1583247260959; Tue, 03 Mar 2020 06:54:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <158134776694.4117.16175545100765405335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <25766_1582715717_5E565345_25766_121_1_DA7C0EE9.71074%dominique.barthel@orange.com> <24622_1583244752_5E5E65D0_24622_294_1_DA841E11.712EF%dominique.barthel@orange.com> In-Reply-To: <24622_1583244752_5E5E65D0_24622_294_1_DA841E11.712EF%dominique.barthel@orange.com> From: Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 15:54:27 +0100 (CET) X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: dominique barthel Cc: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094cad3059ff47ad4" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 14:54:46 -0000 --00000000000094cad3059ff47ad4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! I'll go through it an use it. Best, Aris On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:13 PM wrote: > Hello Aris, > > Here is a pointer to an IETF tutorial on writing Security Considerations > section. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials/slides-105-edu-sessb-w= riting-security-considerations-01.pdf > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DJpbfy3QeerU > See for example slide 23 that pertains to drafts extending prior protocol= s. > I'll review and respond to your comments below later. > Cheers, > > Dominique > > De : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis > Date : Saturday 29 February 2020 01:05 > =C3=80 : Dominique Barthel > Cc : "roll@ietf.org" , "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" < > georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr> > Objet : Re: [Roll] Fwd: New Version Notification for > draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt > > Hello Dominique, > > thank you very much for the thorough review. > Comments inline. > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> Another comment about this draft. The Security Considerations section >> currently says >> " The structure of the DIO control message is extended, within the pre- >> defined DIO options. Therefore, the security mechanisms defined in >> RPL [RFC6550] apply to this proposed extension." >> I don't think this addresses the purpose of a Security Considerations >> section. >> > > OK, maybe I misunderstood what exactly I should have elaborated on. > > I think it should talk about the potential security issues introduced by >> the draft, and why they are not real concerns. >> > > I thought that no real extra concerns are present, but as you propose, > maybe some more details would be helpful. > > >> I guess that, what this draft changes compared to RFC6550-6551, is the >> sending of the Parent Set of a node in its DIO. From there: >> - This could result in a privacy issue. Yes, but the Parent Set is not >> propagated further down the DODAG, so this disclosure does not reach far >> beyond the propagation range of the radios of the Parents. So no trackin= g >> of nodes by their IPv6 address possible from remote (a least no more tha= n >> in the current situation). >> > > This is definitely present, I will add this issue, despite it not being > especially problematic. Just to be complete. > > >> - This could result in introducing a vulnerability: could an attacker >> exploit the knowledge gained from learning the PS? =E2=80=A6 >> > > Well, maybe with an assumption of a malicious node being able to decode > the DIO, i.e. having the correct enc/decryption keys. > 1. A malicious node that can read the DIO can "see" further than it's own > neighbourhood by one hop, learning the addresses of it's two hop neighbor= s. > So as mentioned, this is a privacy / network discovery issue. > 2. A node that can send DIOs can use the parent set to convince neighbour= s > to route through itself, instead of the normal preferred parent they woul= d > use. However, with other OFs this is already possible by reporting a fake > rank value of 0 in the DIO, thus appearing as the DODAG root. > > As far as I can tell, if a malicious node manages to participate in the > RPL network (i.e. decode/encode the RPL control packet) it is game over a= nd > it can definitely severely affect the operation of the whole network, jus= t > by reporting a fake rank. > However, maybe this is not true; I'm not really an very familiar with the > security of RPL. > > I don't see any other opportunities for security issues. > I will add these two to the draft unless you have something additional. > > >> Best regards >> Dominique >> > > Thank you very much Dominique for the help. > > Best, > Aris > > >> >> De : Roll on behalf of "Georgios Z. >> Papadopoulos" >> R=C3=A9pondre =C3=A0 : "roll@ietf.org" >> Date : Monday 10 February 2020 16:51 >> =C3=80 : "roll@ietf.org" >> Objet : [Roll] Fwd: New Version Notification for >> draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt >> >> Dear all, >> >> FYI, we just submitted the 06 version where we addressed the comments >> from Rahul. >> >> Many thanks Rahul, >> Georgios and Aris >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *internet-drafts@ietf.org >> *Subject: **New Version Notification for >> draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt* >> *Date: *February 10, 2020 at 16:16:06 GMT+1 >> *To: *"Nicolas Montavont" , "Pascal >> Thubert" , "Georgios Papadopoulos" < >> georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>, "Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis" < >> aris@ariskou.com> >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis and posted t= o >> the >> IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension >> Revision: 06 >> Title: Common Ancestor Objective Function and Parent Set DAG Metric >> Container Extension >> Document date: 2020-02-10 >> Group: roll >> Pages: 15 >> URL: >> https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.tx= t >> Status: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ >> Htmlized: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06 >> Htmlized: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension >> Diff: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06 >> >> Abstract: >> Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from/to the RPL root >> requires the ability to forward copies of packets over different >> paths via different RPL parents. Selecting the appropriate parents >> to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information about a >> node's parents. This document details what information needs to be >> transmitted and how it is encoded within RPL control packets to >> enable this functionality. This document also describes Objective >> Function which take advantage of this information to implement multi- >> path routing. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> >> ________________________________________________________________________= _________________________________________________ >> >> Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confi= dentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc >> pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Thanks!

I'll go thr= ough it an use it.

Best,
Aris
<= /div>
O= n Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 3:13 PM <dominique.barthel@orange.com> wrote:
Hello Aris,

Here is a pointer to an IETF tutorial on writing Security Consideratio= ns section.
See for example slide 23 that pertains to drafts extending prior proto= cols.
I'll review and respond to your comments below later.
Cheers,

Dominique=C2=A0

De=C2=A0: Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis = <aris@ariskou.com<= /a>>
Date=C2=A0: Saturday 29 February 20= 20 01:05
=C3=80=C2=A0: Dominique Barthel <= ;dominiqu= e.barthel@orange.com>
Cc=C2=A0: "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>, "Georgios Z= . Papadopoulos" <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr><= br> Objet=C2=A0: Re: [Roll] Fwd: New Ve= rsion Notification for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt

Hello Dominique,

thank you very much for the thorough review.
Comments inline.

On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:15 PM <= dominique= .barthel@orange.com> wrote:
Hello all,

Another comment about this draft. The Security Considerations section = currently says
" The structure of the DIO control message is extended, within th= e pre-
=C2=A0 =C2=A0defined DIO options.=C2=A0 Therefore, the security mechan= isms defined in
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RPL [RFC6550] apply to this proposed extension."
I don't think this addresses the purpose of a Security Considerati= ons section.

OK, maybe I misunderstood what exactly I should have elaborated on.

I think it should talk about the potential security issues introduced = by the draft, and why they are not real concerns.

I thought that no real extra concerns are present, but as you propose,= maybe some more details would be helpful.
=C2=A0
I guess that, what this draft changes compared to RFC6550-6551, is the= sending of the Parent Set of a node in its DIO. From there:
- This could result in a privacy issue. Yes, but the Parent Set is not= propagated further down the DODAG, so this disclosure does not reach far b= eyond the propagation range of the radios of the Parents. So no tracking of= nodes by their IPv6 address possible from remote (a least no more than in the current situation).

This is definitely present, I will add this issue, despite it not bein= g especially problematic. Just to be complete.
=C2=A0
- This could result in introducing a vulnerability: could an attacker = exploit the knowledge gained from learning the PS? =E2=80=A6

Well, maybe with an assumption of a malicious node being able to decod= e the DIO, i.e. having the correct enc/decryption keys.
1. A malicious node that can read the DIO can "see" further = than it's own neighbourhood by one hop, learning the addresses of it= 9;s two hop neighbors. So as mentioned, this is a privacy / network discove= ry issue.
2. A node that can send DIOs can use the parent set to convince neighb= ours to route through itself, instead of the normal preferred parent they w= ould use. However, with other OFs this is already possible by reporting a f= ake rank value of 0 in the DIO, thus appearing as the DODAG root.

As far as I can tell, if a malicious node manages to participate in th= e RPL network (i.e. decode/encode the RPL control packet) it is game over a= nd it can definitely severely affect the operation of the whole network, ju= st by reporting a fake rank.
However, maybe this is not true; I'm not really an very familiar w= ith the security of RPL.

I don't see any other opportunities for security issues.
I will add these two to the draft unless you have something additional= .
=C2=A0
Best regards
Dominique

Thank you very much Dominique for the help.

Best,
Aris
=C2=A0

De=C2=A0: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on= behalf of "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" <georgios.papadopoulos= @imt-atlantique.fr>
R=C3=A9pondre =C3=A0=C2=A0: "<= a href=3D"mailto:roll@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">roll@ietf.org" &= lt;roll@ietf.org>=
Date=C2=A0: Monday 10 February 2020= 16:51
=C3=80=C2=A0: "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Objet=C2=A0: [Roll] Fwd: New Versio= n Notification for draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt

Dear all,

FYI, we just submitted the 06 version where we addressed the comments = from Rahul.

Many thanks Rahul,
Georgios and Aris


Begin forwarded message:

Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-= roll-nsa-extension-06.txt
Date: February 10, 2020 at 16:16:06 GMT+1
To: "Nicolas Montavont" <nicolas.m= ontavont@imt-atlantique.fr>, "Pascal Thubert" <pthubert@cisco.com>= , "Georgios Papadopoulos" <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantiq= ue.fr>, "Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis" <aris@ariskou.com>


A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-06.txt
has been successfully submitted by Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis and posted to t= he
IETF repository.

Name: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension
Revision: 06
Title: Common Ancestor Objective Function and Parent Set DAG M= etric Container Extension
Document date: 2020-02-10
Group: roll
Pages: 15
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Abstract:
=C2=A0=C2=A0Implementing Packet Replication and Elimination from/to the RPL= root
=C2=A0=C2=A0requires the ability to forward copies of packets over differen= t
=C2=A0=C2=A0paths via different RPL parents.=C2=A0 Selecting the appropriat= e parents
=C2=A0=C2=A0to achieve ultra-low latency and jitter requires information ab= out a
=C2=A0=C2=A0node's parents.=C2=A0 This document details what informatio= n needs to be
=C2=A0=C2=A0transmitted and how it is encoded within RPL control packets to=
=C2=A0=C2=A0enable this functionality.=C2=A0 This document also describes O= bjective
=C2=A0=C2=A0Function which take advantage of this information to implement = multi-
=C2=A0=C2=A0path routing.




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Dear all,

useofrplinfo draft was update= d (version 36) from the last call considering:

- A= dvertising External Routes with Non- Storing Mode Signaling (section 4.1)

Then, for SM cases where the communication flow sta= rts at RUL: it goes encapsulated to the root. (Figure 7 updated and the cas= es updated:=C2=A0RUL t= o root/RUL to I= nt/=C2=A0RUL to= RAL/ RUL to RUL)

For Non-SM cases (Fig= ure 14):

1- From RAL to Int: It may have encapsula= tion to the root.=C2=A0
2- From RAL to RAL and RAL To RUL : It ma= y have encapsulation to the root and must have encapsulation=C2=A0to the de= stination
3- From RUL to RAL and RUL to RUL: It must hae encapsul= ation to the root and to the destination (RAL) or to the 6LR parent of RUL.=

Thus, new tables were added considering the "= ;may" cases. e.g Section 8.3.1. We added new terminology as well.=C2= =A0

Comments welcome and thank you,

=
The authors.


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Hello all,

= I'd like to ask for a slot if possible, to discuss the updates to draft= -ietf-roll-nsa-extension.

1- Topic: draft-iet= f-roll-nsa-extension
2- Presenter: Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis
3- Time needed: 5-10 minutes
4- Please specify if it= is remotely or on-site: Remotely

Best,
= Aris

=


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:20 AM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles= =3D40googlemail.com@dmar= c.ietf.org> wrote:
Dear all,

Following the prel= iminary agenda, ROLL is scheduled with two meetings of one hour on Monday a= nd two hours on Tuesday.=C2=A0

Please let us know = before 10th March if you desire to present a topic during=C2=A0IETF 107 spe= cifying:

=C2=A0
1-= Topic: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension
2- Presenter
3- T= ime needed=C2=A0
4- Please specify if it is remotely or on-site.<= /div>


Thank you! :-)

Ines, Dominique and Michael.
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Thank you very much Aris.

We will keep = you posted.

Ines.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 7:53= PM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@a= riskou.com> wrote:
Hello all,

=
I'd like to ask for a slot if possible, to discuss the updat= es to draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension.

1- Topic= : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension
2- Presenter: Remous-Aris Koutsia= manis
3- Time needed: 5-10 minutes
4- Please sp= ecify if it is remotely or on-site: Remotely

Best,=
Aris


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:20 AM Ines Robles <mariai= nesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Dear all,

Following the preliminary agenda, ROLL is scheduled with two meetin= gs of one hour on Monday and two hours on Tuesday.=C2=A0

Please let us know before 10th March if you desire to present a topi= c during=C2=A0IETF 107 specifying:

<= div>=C2=A0
1- Topic: draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension
= 2- Presenter
3- Time needed=C2=A0
4- Please specify if = it is remotely or on-site.


Thank you! :-)

Ines, Dominique and Michael.
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_______________________________________________
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--000000000000c0670f05a00548b3-- From nobody Wed Mar 4 03:05:12 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C494D3A0C57 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 03:05:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r4pNy-qjKNpX for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 03:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.96.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8598B3A0C5D for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 03:05:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1325C605A36F6; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:05:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id wRBx9ZegMWkK; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:05:04 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:f041:42a0:d6:8071] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:f041:42a0:d6:8071]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:05:03 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Iwanicki To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , Michael Richardson References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> <18233.1583176305@localhost> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 12:05:20 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <18233.1583176305@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 11:05:11 -0000 Dear Michael, On 02.03.2020 20:11, Michael Richardson wrote: > Konrad Iwanicki wrote: > > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had been > > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border routers. Since I > > have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly appreciate > > any help. > > Use the markdown method, and use someone's template github. Thanks. But I guess, I would also need some guidelines doing the writing. > > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle crashes of > > border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down nonexistent upward > > routes can take a lot of time (depending on the data-plane traffic) and > > generate considerable control traffic, which is problematic in many > > applications. > > Rahul and Pascal (and others) have had a lot of conversation about how we > deal with the various lollipop counters. So I am interested in what your > border router does when it boots: how does it announce the new DIOs? Internal lollipop counters used within RNFD are always relative to the DODAG version number counter. Whenever that counter is refreshed, the others are initialized anew. Therefore, for RNFD, the easiest solution upon a border router reboot is to broadcast a DIO with a new value of the DODAG version. This, however, is not completely straightforward. We have to either keep the counter value in the router's persistent memory, which is not always feasible, or learn the last DODAG version value by having the router broadcast a DIS and its neighbors reply with DIOs containing the last number they are aware of. In either case, it makes sense for the router to delay broadcasting a new DODAG version (and hence the first DIO) for a while after the reboot. If "for a while" is long enough, this heuristic helps alleviate situations in which the router continuously reboots for some reason but manages to bump the DODAG version (e.g., when power is restored but then shortly after lost again). More elaborate mechanisms can be deployed as well. > > [1] K. Iwanicki: “RNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (Root) Node Failures > > in Low-Power Wireless Networks,” in IPSN 2016: Proceedings of the 15th > > ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in Sensor > > Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1—12. DOI: > > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 > > Unfortunately, it's behind the IEEE paywall. > I have given up on getting documents from the IEEE. Try the ACM Digital Library (the paper is in both libraries): https://dl.acm.org/doi/abs/10.5555/2959355.2959368 If you fail to download from this source, I can try to get you a preprint. > I guess you have been working on this for at least five years now. Well, we wanted to have the problem well studied. And it inspired other interesting research as well. Best regards, -- - Konrad Iwanicki. 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Dear Chairs,

I would like to request fo= r following:

Topic: Capabilities Update, Rahul, 15= mins
Topic: NPDAO and unaware leaves, Rahul, 5 mins
To= pic: Observations draft - Next plan, Rahul, 10 mins

Presenting remotely.

Thanks,
Rahul

On Mon, 2 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Dear all,

Following the preliminary agenda= , ROLL is scheduled with two meetings of one hour on Monday and two hours o= n Tuesday.=C2=A0

Please let us know before 10th Ma= rch if you desire to present a topic during=C2=A0IETF 107 specifying:
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Thank you Rahul

Best,

Ines and Dominique

On Wed, Mar 4, 2020 at 1:21 PM Rahul Jadhav= <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> w= rote:
Dear Chairs,

I would like to request for follow= ing:

Topic: Capabilities Update, Rahul, 15 mins
Topic: NPDAO and unaware leaves, Rahul, 5 mins
Topic: Obs= ervations draft - Next plan, Rahul, 10 mins

Presen= ting remotely.

Thanks,
Rahul
=
On Mon= , 2 Mar 2020 at 15:50, Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.i= etf.org> wrote:
Dear all,

Following the prelimin= ary agenda, ROLL is scheduled with two meetings of one hour on Monday and t= wo hours on Tuesday.=C2=A0

Please let us know befo= re 10th March if you desire to present a topic during=C2=A0IETF 107 specify= ing:

1- Topic
2- Presenter
3- = Time needed=C2=A0
4- Please specify if it is remotely or on-site.=


Thank you! :-)

Ines, Dominique and Michael.
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--00000000000017486f05a005c962-- From nobody Wed Mar 4 04:54:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 375253A0E4E for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 04:54:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h8YWasZjWhpw for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 04:54:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.96.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A327B3A0E4C for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 04:54:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEAAD605A36FC; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:15 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 76WeJeWZj15m; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:f041:42a0:d6:8071] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:f041:42a0:d6:8071]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:11 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Iwanicki To: Rahul Jadhav , Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> <18233.1583176305@localhost> Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 13:54:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 12:54:20 -0000 Dear Raul, On 03.03.2020 11:45, Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Welcome Konrad and great to hear you on ROLL, Thank you. > I have a few questions with regard to the problem statement before we > dive into the solution part. > > Border Router (BR) crash/restart is an issue and any deployment needs to > tackle it (IMO, in version 0.1). As I understand the aim of the paper is > to ensure that the attached nodes should detect the BR failure asap. > Just curious to understand how the nodes use this information in your > deployments? What will be the use-case of this detection? Yes, the main goal is to detect a failure of a border router asap. In general, the use-cases cover highly available systems. Faster detection of BR failures gives more possibilities when switching to fallback mechanisms, rebinding to a different DODAG, or spawning a new one. A few concrete examples: 1. Minimizing lost samples in push-based data-collection apps. A classic app: each node periodically sends data upward to a BR, which then forwards them to a sink. If one aims at perfect reliability, an end-to-end solution is required: the sink acknowledges each data sample, and samples that have not been acknowledged are buffered and retransmitted when possible. This requires downward-routed ACKs. In contrast, if we assume nearly-perfect data delivery in that we occasionally allow individual samples to be lost, we can have a more efficient solution. To begin with, if implemented properly, link-layer mechanisms such as hop-by-hop acks, queuing, and retransmissions already allow for a very high end-to-end packet reception rate for many deployments. As I mentioned in my first e-mail, this leaves BR failures as the main cause of burst data loss, at least in our experience. Therefore, if we can detect a BR failure fast, nodes can quickly switch to buffering samples instead of forwarding them (few samples are lost), and start forwarding again only when the BR recovers. What we gain in this approach is first eliminating end-to-end ACKs, which reduces data-related traffic up to two times. Second, if the nodes just collect data, the network's MOP can be downgraded to 0, which in particular eliminates DAOs and DAO-ACKs, thereby further reducing the overall traffic. Third, when operating under MOP 0, we can employ a dedicated radio activity scheduling algorithms at the link layer, which reduces energy expenditures even more and can further improve end-to-end packet reception rate. Overall, with RNFD we can get a few-fold extension of the node battery lifetime without sacrificing end-to-end data delivery much compared to the end-to-end solution. 2. Maximizing availability in pull-based data-collection apps. Here an opposite approach: nodes act as servers from which other Internet hosts pull data on demand. (The applicability of the approach below is much wider though). In this app, and actually in general, it makes sense for a node to be a member of as few DODAGs as possible, ideally just the best one. This is because belonging to a DODAG incurs an overhead on memory, computation, and control traffic, not only on this node but also its ancestors in the DODAG. The problem is that if a BR goes down, a node may be unreachable for a while. One solution would thus be joining multiple DODAGs, irrespective of the overhead. The drawback is that this overhead is to be paid always, even when the network operates correctly. If, in turn, we have fast BR failure detection, nodes can belong to just one DODAG, and quickly switch it upon a BR failure. Again, this can reduce the overhead, at least twice, without sacrificing availability much (at least unavailability due to BR failures). 3. Maximizing availability in networks with actuation. We have sensor and actuator nodes. Routing from sensors to actuators is normally driven by a BR. This allows, for instance, for traffic analysis and forwarding sensor samples to other sinks (e.g., analytical or visualization components) besides the relevant actuators. If a BR goes down, however, what you want to have at the very least is communication between sensors and actuators, so that the system continues to operate. To this end, the actuators can be roots of their own (floating) DODAGs. Again, for efficiency one would probably prefer this to happen only upon a BR failure not throughout the entire lifetime of the system. This means that being able to detect a BR failure as fast as possible may be crucial to ensure that actuators spawn their own DODAGs and get sensor readings without major disruptions. > In my deployments, my focus was to get the BR restarted as soon > as possible and then ensure that the nodes below it could rejoin the > restarted BR. This would mean that BR needs to backup some state > information that would be used post-crash-recovery. This is very important as well. However, in our case, the control of when the BR is restarted was limited to some extent. The goal of RNFD is giving additional possibilities to improve the network's performance over the period of such a failure. The two problems are thus orthogonal. > On the contrary, in my scenario, it was necessary to detect 6LN/6LR > failure without depending on periodical pings from nodes to central > sever i.e., for some reason if the node (non-BR node) is stuck, then BR > should detect it asap (without depending on route lifetime since it > could be very high) so that measures could be taken (for e.g., send a > personnel to repair the smart meter). This also is non-trivial to > handle. For BR, it is always possible to ping on the external leg and > check availability. Also, BR unavailability means no traffic going out > from any nodes and thus is easy to identify on the external monitoring > system. True this is also not trivial but, as I wrote above, it is an orthogonal problem. In general, RNFD is no silver bullet. Apart from the cases that both of us mentioned, there are other types of failures possible in a network that RNFD does not address. What it does, however, is solving a particular problem that we found relevant in practice and that hopefully may be relevant for other people as well. > Also, as Michael mentioned, the working group had discussed some issues > with respect to reboot handling (on 6LN/6LR/BR) and it has been captured > in https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations/ > It would be immensely helpful to get your view on those points. Sure, I will take a look at this when I find some time slot. Best regards, -- - Konrad Iwanicki. > Best, > Rahul > > On Tue, 3 Mar 2020 at 00:42, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > Welcome! > > Konrad Iwanicki > wrote: > > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL > that had been > > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border > routers. Since I > > have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would > greatly appreciate > > any help. > > Use the markdown method, and use someone's template github. > > > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently > handle crashes of > > border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down > nonexistent upward > > routes can take a lot of time (depending on the data-plane > traffic) and > > generate considerable control traffic, which is problematic in > many > > applications. > > Rahul and Pascal (and others) have had a lot of conversation about > how we > deal with the various lollipop counters. So I am interested in what > your > border router does when it boots: how does it announce the new DIOs? > > > What we did to address the problem was developing an > algorithm, called RNFD, > > in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border > router of the > > DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS > implementation of the > > algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and 76 nodes at > 868MHz) and in > > simulations show that it can outperform bare RPL: it can > detect a border > > router crash one or two orders of magnitude faster and with > much lower > > control traffic [1]. > > okay. > > > [1] K. Iwanicki: “RNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG > (Root) Node Failures > > in Low-Power Wireless Networks,†in IPSN 2016: Proceedings of > the 15th > > ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in > Sensor > > Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1—12. DOI: > > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 > > Unfortunately, it's behind the IEEE paywall. > I have given up on getting documents from the IEEE. > I guess you have been working on this for at least five years now. > > > [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: “Failure Handling in RPL > Implementations: > > An Experimental Qualitative Study,†in Mission-Oriented Sensor > Networks and > > Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). Springer > International > > Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. pp. 49—95. DOI: > > 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3 > > > [3] P. Ciolkosz: “Integration of the RNFD Algorithm for Border > Router Failure > > Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,†> Master's Thesis, > > University of Warsaw. November 2019. > > -- > Michael Richardson >, Sandelman Software Works > -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > From nobody Wed Mar 4 05:02:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE773A0E66 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 05:02:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXgO-6BR8Yqp for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 05:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001::4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 580AC3A0E60 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 05:01:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABC55605A370D; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 14:01:54 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id J2gW_ZpHmSS1; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 14:01:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:f041:42a0:d6:8071] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:f041:42a0:d6:8071]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 4 Mar 2020 14:01:50 +0100 (CET) From: Konrad Iwanicki To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , Ines Robles References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> Message-ID: <0cb817c8-cccf-c8bb-1e39-8c6167bf4aa2@mimuw.edu.pl> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2020 14:02:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2020 13:02:01 -0000 Dear Ines, On 03.03.2020 13:27, Ines Robles wrote: > Thank you very much for your email to the mailing list and welcome :-) Thank you. > Here are some guidelines [1] to write IETF-Drafts, e.g. as Michael says > for markdown[2], good tools for writing IETF-Drafts [3] and good > tutorials about IETF [4] and for newcomers [5]. > > Please be aware that all the IETF activities follows the note well [6] > > This is our github [7], in general we create one repository for > ietf-draft. If you desire, you could give me your username I can add you > with the permissions, so you can create a repository and put your public > work there. That is very useful to work together and easy for people to > create issues. Sure. That would be great. My login is just: konrad-iwanicki > To submit the draft to the ROLL site, please goes to [8] and select I-D > submission tool: name your draft as > follows: draft-yourlastname-roll-maintopicofdraft-00 and it is going to > be displayed in the section called "Related Internet-Drafts " in the > ROLL Documents page. Thank you for the pointers. Once I am at that stage, it will be extremely useful to have everything in one place. > It would be great if you could attend the IETF 107 remotely [9], so you > can see how it is an IETF meeting. There is no fee to participate > remotely in IETF, but registration is required to access video and other > information via Meetecho. Thanks for the invitation. I will try to find a slot in my agenda. > Please let us know if you need further help. Thank you. This is definitely more than enough for now. Best regards, -- - Konrad Iwanicki. > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:59 PM Konrad Iwanicki > wrote: > > Dear all, > > I am new to the list, so apologies if I fail to follow some conventions. > > In a nutshell, I would like to propose an extension to RPL that had > been > invented to significantly improve handling crashes of border routers. > Since I have little experience writing RFC-like drafts, I would greatly > appreciate any help. > > Following Dominique’s advice, I did browse the topics that were being > discussed on the ROLL list in the last two years and did not find any > major overlaps. At the same time, the extension seems to match the > current charter of the WG, notably with respect to reliability and > manageability. Below I thus try to briefly motivate and summarize the > extension, so that you can judge how relevant it is and so that > hopefully somebody gets interested in helping to write it up. > > The extension was inspired by numerous commercial LLN deployments, > which > we did for a range of industries. What we noticed in virtually all > cases > is that the major causes of sensor data unavailability were crashes of > border routers. The explanation is rather intuitive. Border routers > typically rely on a tethered power supply and in practice it is often > not economic, or even impossible, to provide them with a battery > backup. > Therefore, power outages are major problems. Another issue is that > border routers are also more intricate, in terms of both hardware and > software, than low-power nodes. As such, they are also more likely to > malfunction. > > What we observed, however, is that RPL does not efficiently handle > crashes of border routers [1][2]. Upon such a failure, tearing down > nonexistent upward routes can take a lot of time (depending on the > data-plane traffic) and generate considerable control traffic, which is > problematic in many applications. > > What we did to address the problem was developing an algorithm, called > RNFD, in which nodes collaborate to monitor the state of a border > router > of the DODAG they belong to [1]. Experiments with a TinyOS > implementation of the algorithm on two testbeds (32 nodes at 2.4GHz and > 76 nodes at 868MHz) and in simulations show that it can outperform bare > RPL: it can detect a border router crash one or two orders of magnitude > faster and with much lower control traffic [1]. > > To verify these results and come up with a way of best integrating RNFD > with RPL, we also did an independent implementation of RNFD (for > which I > did not write a single line of code) and integrated it with RPL-Lite > from ContikiNG [3]. Experiments with that implementation on a > network of > ~150 nodes at 2.4GHz and in a different simulator again confirmed the > aforementioned performance gains resulting from employing RNFD [3]. > > I am looking forward to your comments or questions (and hopefully > volunteers to help me with the draft). Below you can find the previous > citations. I would also be happy to provide more details. > > References: > > [1] K. Iwanicki: “RNFD: Routing-Layer Detection of DODAG (Root) Node > Failures in Low-Power Wireless Networks,” in IPSN 2016: Proceedings of > the 15th ACM/IEEE International Conference on Information Processing in > Sensor Networks. IEEE. Vienna, Austria. April 2016. pp. 1—12. DOI: > 10.1109/IPSN.2016.7460720 > > [2] A. Paszkowska and K. Iwanicki: “Failure Handling in RPL > Implementations: An Experimental Qualitative Study,” in > Mission-Oriented > Sensor Networks and Systems: Art and Science (Habib M. Ammari ed.). > Springer International Publishing. Cham, Switzerland. September 2019. > pp. 49—95. DOI: 10.1007/978-3-319-91146-5_3 > > [3] P. Ciolkosz: “Integration of the RNFD Algorithm for Border Router > Failure Detection with the RPL Standard for Routing IPv6 Packets,” > Master's Thesis, University of Warsaw. November 2019. > > Best regards, > -- > - Konrad Iwanicki. > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > From nobody Fri Mar 6 01:36:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E613F3A0B28 for ; Fri, 6 Mar 2020 01:36:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no 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Message-ID: To: dominique barthel Cc: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" , roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ca9ba305a031ba4d" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] NSA PS-set metric/constraint X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:59:14 -0000 --000000000000ca9ba305a031ba4d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello Dominique, sorry to bother you in a probably very busy period. To finalise our draft before the cutoff, we're waiting for a brief answer from you on this previous question: On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:51 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis wrote: > > [DP] Alternate proposal: >> Could the PS be part of an NSA Metric? After all, it is used to help >> select which parent(s) are best suited for upward routing, not to prune >> downlink propagation of the DIO along a path that exceed some metric >> value. C=0, R=1, P=1 comes to mind for this metric. >> > > [ARIS] > So I read a bit more about this. So C=0 means "use as a routing metric", OK. > R=1 means "use as a recorded metric", i.e. not aggregated, because > aggregated makes no sense, OK. > Now, P=1 means that one or more of the nodes on the path did not record > the metric. So, it's less a "command" and more a report of previous > behaviour. > > My question is: it seems impossible that *all* the parent sets can be > recorded along the path due to size, so each node *replaces* the received > parent set with it's own. > > We can specify this with text of course, but I have not seen another > existing metric that behaves like this. > On the other hand, the NSA metric object is not used a lot, and if it > makes sense for any metric to be replaced rather then appended to a list of > metrics, that metric would be NSA. > > I am not sure about that P=1 part though and how it relates to replacing > the existing metrics. > If I understand this correctly, a node reporting it's own parent set in > the NSA will set P=1 basically to let the receiving nodes know that they > should not expect to find inside all the metric along the whole path, but > only a part of it, and in our case from just the sending node. > > Am I getting this right? > Best, Aris --000000000000ca9ba305a031ba4d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Dominique,

sorry to bother you in a probably very busy period.
To fina= lise our draft before the cutoff, we're waiting for a brief answer from= you on this previous question:

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:51 AM R= emous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@arisko= u.com> wrote:

[DP] Alternate proposal:
Could the PS be part of an NSA Metric? After all, it is used to help
select which parent(s) are best suited for upward routing, not to prune
downlink propagation of the DIO along a path that exceed some metric
value. C=3D0, R=3D1, P=3D1 comes to mind for this metric.
<= div>=C2=A0
[ARIS]
So I read a bit more about this. So C=3D0 means "use as= a routing metric", OK.
R=3D1 means "use as a recorded = metric", i.e. not aggregated, because aggregated makes no sense, OK.
Now, P=3D1 means that one or more of the nodes on the path did= not record the metric. So, it's less a "command" and more a = report of previous behaviour.

My question is: it s= eems impossible that *all* the parent sets can be recorded along the path d= ue to size, so each node *replaces* the received parent set with it's o= wn.

We can specify this with text of course, but I= have not seen another existing metric that behaves like this.
On the other hand, the NSA metric object is not used a lot, and if it ma= kes sense for any metric to be replaced rather then appended to a list of m= etrics, that metric would be NSA.

I am not sure ab= out that P=3D1 part though and how it relates to replacing the existing met= rics.
If I understand this correctly, a node reporting= it's own parent set in the NSA will set P=3D1 basically to let the rec= eiving nodes know that they should not expect to find inside all the metric= along the whole path, but only a part of it, and in our case from just the= sending node.

Am I getting this right?
<= div>

Best,
Aris
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Papadopoulos" , roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000007cad7f05a0332067" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] NSA PS-set metric/constraint X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:39:04 -0000 --0000000000007cad7f05a0332067 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fantastic, Thanks, I'll update the draft then. Best, Aris On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 5:37 PM wrote: > Hello Aris, > > Thanks for pinging me, this had disappeared under the pile. > > > If I understand this correctly, a node reporting it's own parent set in > the NSA will set P=3D1 basically to let the receiving nodes know that the= y > should not expect to find inside all the metric along the whole path, but > only a part of it, and in our case from just the sending node. > > Am I getting this right? > > Exactly, this is what I had in mind. The recording along the path is > partial (P), and it turns out to be exactly the one from the potential > parent, which is all we need. > So it's all totally inline with RFC6551: we don't need to create an > exception to RFC6551. > Best regards > > Dominique > > De : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis > Date : Friday 6 March 2020 16:58 > =C3=80 : Dominique Barthel > Cc : "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" = , > "roll@ietf.org" > Objet : Re: [Roll] NSA PS-set metric/constraint > > Hello Dominique, > > sorry to bother you in a probably very busy period. > To finalise our draft before the cutoff, we're waiting for a brief answer > from you on this previous question: > > On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:51 AM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis < > aris@ariskou.com> wrote: > >> >> [DP] Alternate proposal: >>> Could the PS be part of an NSA Metric? After all, it is used to help >>> select which parent(s) are best suited for upward routing, not to prune >>> downlink propagation of the DIO along a path that exceed some metric >>> value. C=3D0, R=3D1, P=3D1 comes to mind for this metric. >>> >> >> [ARIS] >> > So I read a bit more about this. So C=3D0 means "use as a routing metric"= , >> OK. >> R=3D1 means "use as a recorded metric", i.e. not aggregated, because >> aggregated makes no sense, OK. >> Now, P=3D1 means that one or more of the nodes on the path did not recor= d >> the metric. So, it's less a "command" and more a report of previous >> behaviour. >> >> My question is: it seems impossible that *all* the parent sets can be >> recorded along the path due to size, so each node *replaces* the receive= d >> parent set with it's own. >> >> We can specify this with text of course, but I have not seen another >> existing metric that behaves like this. >> On the other hand, the NSA metric object is not used a lot, and if it >> makes sense for any metric to be replaced rather then appended to a list= of >> metrics, that metric would be NSA. >> >> I am not sure about that P=3D1 part though and how it relates to replaci= ng >> the existing metrics. >> If I understand this correctly, a node reporting it's own parent set in >> the NSA will set P=3D1 basically to let the receiving nodes know that th= ey >> should not expect to find inside all the metric along the whole path, bu= t >> only a part of it, and in our case from just the sending node. >> >> Am I getting this right? >> > > Best, > Aris > > _________________________________________________________________________= ________________________________________________ > > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confid= entielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Fantastic,

Thanks, I'll update the draft then.<= br>
Best,
Aris

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 5:37 PM <dominique.barthel@orange.com> wrote:
=
Hello Aris,

Thanks for pinging me, this had disappeared under the pile.

> If I understand this correctly, a node reporting it's own par= ent set in the NSA will set P=3D1 basically to let the receiving nodes know= that they should not expect to find inside all the metric along the whole = path, but only a part of it, and in our case from just the sending node.
> Am I getting this right?

Exactly, this is what I had in mind. The recording along the path is p= artial (P), and it turns out to be exactly the one from the potential paren= t, which is all we need.
So it's all totally inline with RFC6551: we don't need to crea= te an exception to RFC6551.
Best regards

Dominique=C2=A0

De=C2=A0: Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis = <aris@ariskou.com<= /a>>
Date=C2=A0: Friday 6 March 2020 16:= 58
=C3=80=C2=A0: Dominique Barthel <= ;dominiqu= e.barthel@orange.com>
Cc=C2=A0: "Georgios Z. Papadop= oulos" <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>, "roll@ietf.org" &l= t;roll@ietf.org><= br> Objet=C2=A0: Re: [Roll] NSA PS-set = metric/constraint

Hello Dominique,

sorry to bother you in a probably very busy period.
To finalise our draft before the cutoff, we're waiting for a brief= answer from you on this previous question:

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 12:51 AM Remo= us-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@ariskou.com> wrote:

[DP] Alternate proposal:
Could the PS be part of an NSA Metric? After all, it is used to help
select which parent(s) are best suited for upward routing, not to prune
downlink propagation of the DIO along a path that exceed some metric
value. C=3D0, R=3D1, P=3D1 comes to mind for this metric.
=C2=A0
[ARIS]
So I read a bit more about this. So C=3D0 means "use as a routing= metric", OK.
R=3D1 means "use as a recorded metric", i.e. not aggregated,= because aggregated makes no sense, OK.
Now, P=3D1 means that one or more of the nodes on the path did not rec= ord the metric. So, it's less a "command" and more a report o= f previous behaviour.

My question is: it seems impossible that *all* the parent sets can be = recorded along the path due to size, so each node *replaces* the received p= arent set with it's own.

We can specify this with text of course, but I have not seen another e= xisting metric that behaves like this.
On the other hand, the NSA metric object is not used a lot, and if it = makes sense for any metric to be replaced rather then appended to a list of= metrics, that metric would be NSA.

I am not sure about that P=3D1 part though and how it relates to repla= cing the existing metrics.
If I understand this correctly, a node reporting it's own parent s= et in the NSA will set P=3D1 basically to let the receiving nodes know that= they should not expect to find inside all the metric along the whole path,= but only a part of it, and in our case from just the sending node.

Am I getting this right?

Best,
Aris
 
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, As someone who had previously reviewed the draft, I would like this work to= be taken to the next logical step. Also is it possible to rename the draft as "turnon-6LoRH" rather than "turn= on-rfc8138"? Isn't it possible for RFC 8138 to be updated in the future? Si= milarly, the title may be "Configuration Option for 6LoRH" in place of "Con= figuration Option for 8138". Just a thought. Best, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.co= m Sent: 06 March 2020 03:38 PM To: roll Cc: Ines Robles Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Working Group, The WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 was due to expire yesterday. No comment was received so far. Before we equate silence with agreement, please take some time to reflect o= n this draft, maybe even review it and most importantly send your thoughts. Simple responses like "yes", "I approve it" are valid, too. As chairs, we need to gauge consensus. Please help us serving the community= . Best regards In=E8s & Dominique De : "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com= " > Date : Thursday 20 February 2020 10:16 =C0 : "roll@ietf.org" > Cc : Dominique Barthel > Objet : WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Dear all, This is a Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Please send your comments by 5th March 2020 Thank you very much in advance, Ines and Dominique. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Hello All,

As someone who had previously reviewed the draft, I would like this work to= be taken to the next logical step.

Also is it possible to rename the draft as "turnon-6LoRH" rather = than "turnon-rfc8138"? Isn't it possible for RFC 8138 to be updat= ed in the future? Similarly, the title may be "Configuration Option fo= r 6LoRH" in place of "Configuration Option for 8138". Just a thought.

Best,
Rahul

From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.com <dominique.barth= el@orange.com>
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Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04
 
Working Group,

The WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 was due to expire yeste= rday.
No comment was received so far.
Before we equate silence with agreement, please take some time to refl= ect on this draft, maybe even review it and most importantly send your thou= ghts.
Simple responses like "yes", "I approve it" are va= lid, too.
As chairs, we need to gauge consensus. Please help us serving the comm= unity.
Best regards

In=E8s & Dominique


Dear all,

This is a Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8= 138-04

Please send your comments by 5th March 2020

Thank you very much in advance,

Ines and Dominique.
 
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General recommendations on adding new caps 2. Flags for individual cap types 3. Security considerations 4. Typos and nit fixes Hope the updates are on time. Travel safe and see you remotely! Best, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 09 March 2020 02:41 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-01.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF. Title : RPL Capabilities Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Michael Richardson Rabi Narayan Sahoo Filename : draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-01.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2020-03-09 Abstract: This draft enables the discovery, advertisement and query of capabilities for RPL nodes. 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Dear all,

The updates are:
  1. General recommendations on adding new caps
  2. Flags for individual= cap types 
  3. Security considerations
  4. Typos and nit fixe= s
Hope the updates are on time.
Travel safe and see you remotely!

Best,
Rahul
From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@iet= f.org>
Sent: 09 March 2020 02:41 PM
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Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-01.txt
 

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

        Title    &nb= sp;      : RPL Capabilities
        Authors    &= nbsp;    : Rahul Arvind Jadhav
            &nb= sp;            = Pascal Thubert
            &nb= sp;            = Michael Richardson
            &nb= sp;            = Rabi Narayan Sahoo
        Filename    =     : draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-01.txt
        Pages    &nb= sp;      : 16
        Date    &nbs= p;       : 2020-03-09

Abstract:
   This draft enables the discovery, advertisement and query of    capabilities for RPL nodes.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-01
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-0= 1

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https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-capabilities-01


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Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: <3425_1583752579_5E662583_3425_25_1_DA8BE396.718EA%dominique.barthel@orange.com> Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 15:09:56 +0100 Cc: Michael Richardson , Ines Robles Message-Id: <64DFA23B-373D-4F4E-9B53-02C899D446CB@imt-atlantique.fr> References: <3425_1583752579_5E662583_3425_25_1_DA8BE396.718EA%dominique.barthel@orange.com> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] IETF 107: Call for presentations X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 14:10:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8167452A-F116-43D9-9234-C6B0BD6D4B37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello Dominique and Ines, I would like to request for following : Topic: dis-modifications-use-cases, Georgios, 10 mins Thx, Giorgos > On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:16, = wrote: >=20 > Working Group, >=20 > This is a friendly reminder. > If you want to present during the IETF107, please send a request to us = by tomorrow, along the format below. > Thanks >=20 > Dominique >=20 > De : "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com = " > > Date : Monday 2 March 2020 11:19 > =C3=80 : "roll@ietf.org " > > Cc : Dominique Barthel >, "Michael ca>" = > > Objet : IETF 107: Call for presentations >=20 > Dear all, >=20 > Following the preliminary agenda, ROLL is scheduled with two meetings = of one hour on Monday and two hours on Tuesday.=20 >=20 > Please let us know before 10th March if you desire to present a topic = during IETF 107 specifying: >=20 > 1- Topic > 2- Presenter > 3- Time needed=20 > 4- Please specify if it is remotely or on-site. >=20 >=20 > Thank you! :-) >=20 > Ines, Dominique and Michael. > = __________________________________________________________________________= _______________________________________________ >=20 > Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations = confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc > pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. 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Merci. >=20 > This message and its attachments may contain confidential or = privileged information that may be protected by law; > they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. > If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and = delete this message and its attachments. > As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have = been modified, changed or falsified. > Thank you. > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --Apple-Mail=_8167452A-F116-43D9-9234-C6B0BD6D4B37 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hello Dominique and Ines,

I would like to request for following = :

Topic: = dis-modifications-use-cases, Georgios, 10 mins

Thx,
Giorgos


On Mar 9, 2020, at 12:16, <dominique.barthel@orange.com> <dominique.barthel@orange.com> wrote:

Working Group,

This is a friendly reminder.
If you want to present during the IETF107, please send a = request to us by tomorrow, along the format below.
Thanks

Dominique

De : "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com" <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com>
Date : Monday 2 = March 2020 11:19
=C3=80 : "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Cc : Dominique = Barthel <dominique.barthel@orange.com>, "Michael ca>" <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Objet : IETF = 107: Call for presentations

Dear all,

Following the preliminary agenda, ROLL is scheduled with = two meetings of one hour on Monday and two hours on Tuesday. 

Please let us know before 10th March if you desire to = present a topic during IETF 107 specifying:

1- Topic
2- Presenter
3- Time needed 
4- Please specify if it is remotely or on-site.


Thank you! :-)

Ines, Dominique and Michael.
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_8167452A-F116-43D9-9234-C6B0BD6D4B37-- From nobody Mon Mar 9 09:03:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDCE3A12EF for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=imt-atlantique.fr Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dMEq6oH_WDnJ for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr (zproxy120.enst.fr [137.194.2.193]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A17453A12F4 for ; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D40218150A; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:03:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id r3HHsy9ylAph; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:03:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D92480731; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:03:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 zproxy120.enst.fr 7D92480731 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=imt-atlantique.fr; s=50EA75E8-DE22-11E6-A6DE-0662BA474D24; t=1583769805; bh=fcvivFUkol067oxu02LDFuLkNkUwipJx4dhRVSvzU6Q=; h=From:Message-Id:Mime-Version:Date:To; b=en322+vepJWn6++8QpHzrkdbaZaR9597vIGedtnrJ09fYkGxAQ1mb8wXGiUS7AO0/ EoCiPbbyCQhE6OM0lf/RWZy4tVfMqO+IcopCXU1xLDyTYVYqSJMWWUaL2sA67/g4bK mKuhs1IvGdVM4C0m1g2xKFFfPesz/uwYnhu5dL94= X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zproxy120.enst.fr Received: from zproxy120.enst.fr ([IPv6:::1]) by localhost (zproxy120.enst.fr [IPv6:::1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id fh-n0egAT_v5; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:03:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from [IPv6:2001:660:7301:3728:1459:6523:48f2:991e] (unknown [IPv6:2001:660:7301:3728:1459:6523:48f2:991e]) by zproxy120.enst.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D580805CC; Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:03:25 +0100 (CET) From: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_42D8A242-41FC-40A1-BEEA-4185B3122C4C" Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 17:03:25 +0100 References: <158376955195.5575.3589508521137638564@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2020 16:03:30 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_42D8A242-41FC-40A1-BEEA-4185B3122C4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, FYI, I just submitted the DIS modifications use-cases draft. Thx, Giorgos > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00.txt > Date: March 9, 2020 at 16:59:11 GMT+1 > To: "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" = , "Georgios Papadopoulos" = >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, = draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00.txt > has been successfully submitted by Georgios Z. Papadopoulos and posted = to the > IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases > Revision: 00 > Title: Use cases for DIS Modifications > Document date: 2020-03-09 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 7 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-= cases-00.txt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-case= s/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use= -cases >=20 >=20 > Abstract: > This document presents some of the use-cases which call for DIS = flags > and options modifications. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_42D8A242-41FC-40A1-BEEA-4185B3122C4C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear all,

FYI, I just submitted the DIS = modifications use-cases draft.

Thx,
Giorgos


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From: = internet-drafts@ietf.org
Subject: = New Version = Notification for = draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00.txt
Date: = March 9, 2020 at 16:59:11 = GMT+1
To: = "Georgios Z. Papadopoulos" = <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>, "Georgios = Papadopoulos" <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr>

A new version of I-D, = draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00.txt
has been = successfully submitted by Georgios Z. Papadopoulos and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name: = draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases
Revision: 00
Title: Use cases = for DIS Modifications
Document date: = 2020-03-09
Group: Individual Submission
Pages:= = 7
URL: =            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-papadopoulos-roll-di= s-mods-use-cases-00.txt
Status: =         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mo= ds-use-cases/
Htmlized: =       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-us= e-cases-00
Htmlized: =       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-papadopoulos-roll-d= is-mods-use-cases


Abstract:
  This document presents = some of the use-cases which call for DIS flags
=   and options modifications.




Please note that it may take a = couple of minutes from the time of submission
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This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Common Ancestor Objective Function and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Extension Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Georgios Papadopoulos Nicolas Montavont Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2020-03-09 Abstract: Packet Replication and Elimination is a method in which several copies of a data packet are sent in the network in order to achieve high reliability and low jitter. This document details how to apply Packet Replication and Elimination in RPL, especially how to exchange information within RPL control packets to let a node better select the different parents that will be used to forward the multiple copies of a packet. This document also describes the Objective Function which takes advantage of this information to implement multi-path routing. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree with Rahul on both counts, taking the doc to the next step (as auth= or) and changing the title (as participant). Note that it is the least advanced doc (the only not yet submitted to IESG)= still holding cluster C130 https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?ci= d=3DC310 meaning that it is blocking a great many RFCs from 6TiSCH, ROLL an= d 6lo. Our milestone is to submit it this month and I intend to put a focus on thi= s; All the best, and for those who still plan to fly to IETF 107, sorry I will= not be in Vancouver to meet you : ( Pascal From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: lundi 9 mars 2020 09:40 To: roll Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Hello All, As someone who had previously reviewed the draft, I would like this work to= be taken to the next logical step. Also is it possible to rename the draft as "turnon-6LoRH" rather than "turn= on-rfc8138"? Isn't it possible for RFC 8138 to be updated in the future? Si= milarly, the title may be "Configuration Option for 6LoRH" in place of "Con= figuration Option for 8138". Just a thought. Best, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.co= m Sent: 06 March 2020 03:38 PM To: roll Cc: Ines Robles Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Working Group, The WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 was due to expire yesterday. No comment was received so far. Before we equate silence with agreement, please take some time to reflect o= n this draft, maybe even review it and most importantly send your thoughts. Simple responses like "yes", "I approve it" are valid, too. As chairs, we need to gauge consensus. Please help us serving the community= . Best regards In=E8s & Dominique De : "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com= " > Date : Thursday 20 February 2020 10:16 =C0 : "roll@ietf.org" > Cc : Dominique Barthel > Objet : WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Dear all, This is a Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Please send your comments by 5th March 2020 Thank you very much in advance, Ines and Dominique. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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I agree with Rahul on both counts, taking the doc to the nex= t step (as author) and changing the title (as participant).

 

Note that it is the least advanced doc (the only not yet sub= mitted to IESG) still holding cluster C130  https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster= _info.php?cid=3DC310 meaning that it is blocking a great many RFCs from 6TiSCH, ROLL and 6lo.

 

Our milestone is to submit it this month and I intend to put= a focus on this;

 

All the best, and for those who still plan to fly to IETF 10= 7, sorry I will not be in Vancouver to meet you : (

 

Pascal

 

From: Roll <roll-bo= unces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: lundi 9 mars 2020 09:4= 0
To: roll <roll@ietf.org&g= t;
Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on = draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

 

Hello All,

 <= /p>

As someone who had previously re= viewed the draft, I would like this work to be taken to the next logical st= ep.

 <= /p>

Also is it possible to rename th= e draft as "turnon-6LoRH" rather than "turnon-rfc8138"?= Isn't it possible for RFC 8138 to be updated in the future? Similarly, the title may be "Configuration Option for 6LoRH" in place of &q= uot;Configuration Option for 8138". Just a thought.<= /font>

 <= /p>

Best,

Rahul

 <= /p>

From:= Roll <roll= -bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of dominique.barthel@orange.com <dominique.barthel@orange.com>
Sent: 06 March 2020 03:38 PM=
To: roll <roll@ietf.org&g= t;
Cc: Ines Robles <mariaine= srobles@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on = draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

 

Working Group,=

 <= /p>

The WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-tur= non-rfc8138-04 was due to expire yesterday.

No comment was received so far.<= o:p>

Before we equate silence with ag= reement, please take some time to reflect on this draft, maybe even review = it and most importantly send your thoughts.

Simple responses like "yes&= quot;, "I approve it" are valid, too.

As chairs, we need to gauge cons= ensus. Please help us serving the community.

Best regards

 <= /p>

In=E8s & Dominique

 <= /p>

De : "<= a href=3D"mailto:mariainesrobles@googlemail.com">mariainesrobles@googlemail= .com" <mariai= nesrobles@googlemail.com>
Date : Thursday 20 Febr= uary 2020 10:16
=C0 : "roll@ietf.org" <roll@ietf.org>
Cc : Dominique Barthel = <dominique.barthel@orang= e.com>
Objet : WGLC on draft-i= etf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

 <= /p>

Dear all,

 <= /p>

This is a Working Group Last cal= l for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

 <= /p>

Please send your comments by 5th= March 2020

 <= /p>

Thank you very much in advance,<= o:p>

 <= /p>

Ines and Dominique.<= o:p>

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oups the C130 thing was for the unaware leaves that I'm working on in paral= lel, sorry for the confusion, the other comment stands From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: mardi 10 mars 2020 14:50 To: 'Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks' Subject: RE: WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 I agree with Rahul on both counts, taking the doc to the next step (as auth= or) and changing the title (as participant). Note that it is the least advanced doc (the only not yet submitted to IESG)= still holding cluster C130 https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?ci= d=3DC310 meaning that it is blocking a great many RFCs from 6TiSCH, ROLL an= d 6lo. Our milestone is to submit it this month and I intend to put a focus on thi= s; All the best, and for those who still plan to fly to IETF 107, sorry I will= not be in Vancouver to meet you : ( Pascal From: Roll > On Behalf = Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: lundi 9 mars 2020 09:40 To: roll > Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Hello All, As someone who had previously reviewed the draft, I would like this work to= be taken to the next logical step. Also is it possible to rename the draft as "turnon-6LoRH" rather than "turn= on-rfc8138"? Isn't it possible for RFC 8138 to be updated in the future? Si= milarly, the title may be "Configuration Option for 6LoRH" in place of "Con= figuration Option for 8138". Just a thought. Best, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll > on behalf = of dominique.barthel@orange.com > Sent: 06 March 2020 03:38 PM To: roll > Cc: Ines Robles > Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Working Group, The WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 was due to expire yesterday. No comment was received so far. Before we equate silence with agreement, please take some time to reflect o= n this draft, maybe even review it and most importantly send your thoughts. Simple responses like "yes", "I approve it" are valid, too. As chairs, we need to gauge consensus. Please help us serving the community= . Best regards In=E8s & Dominique De : "mariainesrobles@googlemail.com= " > Date : Thursday 20 February 2020 10:16 =C0 : "roll@ietf.org" > Cc : Dominique Barthel > Objet : WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Dear all, This is a Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 Please send your comments by 5th March 2020 Thank you very much in advance, Ines and Dominique. ___________________________________________________________________________= ______________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confiden= tielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu= ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages el= ectroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou = falsifie. Merci. 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Oups the C130 thing was for the unaware leaves that I’= m working on in parallel, sorry for the confusion, the other comment stands=

 

From: Pascal Thubert (= pthubert)
Sent: mardi 10 mars 2020 14:= 50
To: 'Routing Over Low power = and Lossy networks' <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: WGLC on draft-i= etf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

 

I agree with Rahul on both counts, taking the doc to the nex= t step (as author) and changing the title (as participant).

 

Note that it is the least advanced doc (the only not yet sub= mitted to IESG) still holding cluster C130  https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster= _info.php?cid=3DC310 meaning that it is blocking a great many RFCs from 6TiSCH, ROLL and 6lo.

 

Our milestone is to submit it this month and I intend to put= a focus on this;

 

All the best, and for those who still plan to fly to IETF 10= 7, sorry I will not be in Vancouver to meet you : (

 

Pascal

 

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: lundi 9 mars 2020 09:4= 0
To: roll <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on = draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

 

Hello All,

 <= /p>

As someone who had previously re= viewed the draft, I would like this work to be taken to the next logical st= ep.

 <= /p>

Also is it possible to rename th= e draft as "turnon-6LoRH" rather than "turnon-rfc8138"?= Isn't it possible for RFC 8138 to be updated in the future? Similarly, the title may be "Configuration Option for 6LoRH" in place of &q= uot;Configuration Option for 8138". Just a thought.<= /font>

 <= /p>

Best,

Rahul

 <= /p>

Working Group,=

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The WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-tur= non-rfc8138-04 was due to expire yesterday.

No comment was received so far.<= o:p>

Before we equate silence with ag= reement, please take some time to reflect on this draft, maybe even review = it and most importantly send your thoughts.

Simple responses like "yes&= quot;, "I approve it" are valid, too.

As chairs, we need to gauge cons= ensus. Please help us serving the community.

Best regards

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In=E8s & Dominique

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Dear all,

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This is a Working Group Last cal= l for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

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Please send your comments by 5th= March 2020

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Pascal, Looks like we are in sync in terms of what needs to be done = in 6lo. However for the DCO RPL Status code 130, please find my response [RJ] inlin= e. ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <= pthubert=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: 10 March 2020 07:44 PM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Cc: 6lo@ietf.org <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage Hello Rahul Sorry I was deep into the IESG review of other draft in C310. Let=92s see below From: Roll On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 25 f=E9vrier 2020 06:03 To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage I would like to summarize this discussion and mention the action points. 1. ND status as part of RPL status: a) What we have right now? Ans: 8-bit ND status to be carried in LSB 6-bit RPL status. Though RPL stat= us is 8-bit as per 6550, the unaware-leaves draft updates this field's two = MSBs to carry flags, thus leaving 6-bits for carrying ND status. Pascal > Correct b) What could be the problem with this? Ans: Stuffing 8-bit status to 6-bit is possible today because the ND statu= s allocations are very few and as of now it looks as if reaching values >= =3D64 might not happen anytime soon. Anyways the problem is how would 6man/= 6lo know that RPL limits the range of the ND Status. Thus we need 6man/6lo = to be informed. Pascal > Suggestion is to have a IANA action in this draft that limits the= 6lo status registry to 64 values without changing any RFC, cc=92ing 6lo se= e if we agree on this. Pascal > This change would be backward compatible with the current ND draft= s. > c) Action Point? > Ans: Limiting ND status code to 64 values needs to be informed to 6man/6l= o through an update. Pascal > Agreed, cc=92ing 6lo. 6MAN did not contributed to the 6LoWPAN ND = status so far. [RJ] Looks like we are in sync for all the above points. 2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130) RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents. It was discussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value but when I checke= d again it seems all right. 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |E|A| Value | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 130 =3D=3D 1000 0010 The E bit is set indicate rejection and A bit is unset to indicate non-ND v= alue. Thus 130 seems to be the right value. Action Point? No change if this rationale is correct. Pascal > Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505) 3 | Moved: The registration failed because it is not the most | | | recent. This Status indicates that the registration is | | | rejected because another more recent registration was | | | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and a more recent | | | TID. One possible cause is a stale registration that has | | | progressed slowly in the network and was passed by a more | | | recent one. It could also indicate a ROVR collision. Pascal > If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want 128 + 3, and get 13= 1. I think that=92s the point we wanted to make. Dec Hex Oct Bin 131 83 203 10000011 Pascal > Same here, am I missing something here? Any comments? [RJ] But the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is set. With 'A' bit= unset, as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own values for the = remaining 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not = be common between 6lo Status Code and RPL Status Code. Take care, Pascal On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav > wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > Rahul Jadhav > wrote: > >> > > You mean that we could change the ND status to 6-bits in the 6= lo > >> WG? > (I would have parsed ND status as being someing 6man takes = care > >> of) > >> > >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status values are reserved for s= tuff > >> that could be carried in RPL > >> > > RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF we do it this way, > RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to consider whether they = are > RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. This implies familiarit= y in > RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL. > > > I prefer the other approach where we restrict the ND ARO status to > > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the future seems far-fetch= ed > > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit ND ARO status to 64bi= ts > > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that "because of RPL" we nee= d to > > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy to digest! > > I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits to s= tore > 256 values. Please correct me if I mis-understood. > [RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem far-stretched. Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and carry as-is in the RPL status. --_000_MAXPR0101MB129041793453F361119F746CA9FF0MAXPR0101MB1290_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Pascal, Looks like we are in sync in terms of what needs to be done = in 6lo.

However for the DCO RPL Status code 130, please find my response [RJ] inlin= e.

From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert=3D40cisco= .com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 10 March 2020 07:44 PM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Cc: 6lo@ietf.org <6lo@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkag= e
 

Hello Ra= hul

 

Sorry I = was deep into the IESG review of other draft in C310.

 

Let=92s = see below

 

From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 25 f=E9vrier 202= 0 06:03
To: Routing Over Low power a= nd Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-= leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage

 

I would = like to summarize this discussion and mention the action points.

1. ND status as part of RPL status:
a) What we have right now?
Ans: 8-bit ND status to be carried in LSB 6-bit RPL status. Though RPL stat= us is 8-bit as per 6550, the unaware-leaves draft updates this field's two = MSBs to carry flags, thus leaving 6-bits for carrying ND status.

 

Pascal &= gt; Correct


b) What could be the problem with this?
Ans:  Stuffing 8-bit status to 6-bit is possible today because the ND = status allocations are very few and as of now it looks as if reaching value= s >=3D64 might not happen anytime soon. Anyways the problem is how would= 6man/6lo know that RPL limits the range of the ND Status. Thus we need 6man/6lo to be informed.

 

Pascal &= gt;  Suggestion is to have a IANA action in this draft that limits the= 6lo status registry to 64 values without changing any RFC, cc=92ing 6lo se= e if we agree on this.

Pascal &= gt; This change would be backward compatible with the current ND drafts.

 


> c) Action Point?
> Ans: Limiting ND status code to 64 values needs to be informed to 6man= /6lo through an update.

Pascal &= gt;  Agreed, cc=92ing 6lo. 6MAN did not contributed to the 6LoWPAN ND = status so far.


[RJ] Loo= ks like we are in sync for all the above points.


2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130)
RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents.

It was d= iscussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value but when I checked again = it seems all right.

 0
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|E|A|  Value    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

130 =3D=3D 1000 0010 

The E bit is set indicate rejection and A = bit is unset to indicate non-ND value.

Thus 130= seems to be the right value.

Action P= oint? No change if this rationale is correct.

 

Pascal &= gt;  Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505)

 

       3&nbs= p;  | Moved: The registration failed because it is not the most |

   |    &nbs= p;  | recent.  This Status indicates that the registration is&nbs= p;  |

   |    &nbs= p;  | rejected because another more recent registration was  = ;   |

   |    &nbs= p;  | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and a more recent  = ;   |

   |    &nbs= p;  | TID.  One possible cause is a stale registration that has |=

   |    &nbs= p;  | progressed slowly in the network and was passed by a more |

   |    &nbs= p;  | recent one.  It could also indicate a ROVR collision. 

 

Pascal &= gt; If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want 128 + 3, and get 131= .  I think that=92s the point we wanted to make.

Dec = ; Hex       Oct     =    Bin

 &n= bsp;  131 83         203 =       10000011

 

Pascal &= gt; Same here, am I missing something here? Any comments?


[RJ] But= the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is set. With 'A' bit unset, = as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own values for the remainin= g 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not be common between 6lo Status Code and RPL Stat= us Code.

 

 

Take car= e,

 

Pascal

 

On Sat, = 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, = 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> > > You mean that we could change th= e ND status to 6-bits in the 6lo
>     >> WG?  > (I would have parsed ND sta= tus as being someing 6man takes care
>     >> of)
>     >>
>     >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status v= alues are reserved for stuff
>     >> that could be carried in RPL
>     >>
>
>     RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF = we do it this way,
>     RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to c= onsider whether they are
>     RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. Th= is implies familiarity in
>     RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL.
>
>     > I prefer the other approach where we restrict = the ND ARO status to
>     > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the f= uture seems far-fetched
>     > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit = ND ARO status to 64bits
>     > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that &q= uot;because of RPL" we need to
>     > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy= to digest!
>
> I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits t= o store
> 256 values.  Please correct me if I mis-understood.
>

[RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry
the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL
Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used
and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem
far-stretched.
Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and
carry as-is in the RPL status.

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Note that we might understand the "A" bit differently. For me the flag mean= s that the definition of the value is inherited from a 6lo spec, it does no= t mean that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message. Now if the node moves to a different root that is attached to a different 6= BBR, it will get 1100 0011 which is 195. If the node moves within the same = root, the code will be whatever we decide here. Does the node really care w= hich case that is? Maybe we could use 195 as opposed to 130? Pascal 2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130) RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents. It was discussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value but when I checke= d again it seems all right. 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |E|A| Value | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 130 =3D=3D 1000 0010 The E bit is set indicate rejection and A bit is unset to indicate non-ND v= alue. Thus 130 seems to be the right value. Action Point? No change if this rationale is correct. Pascal > Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505) 3 | Moved: The registration failed because it is not the most | | | recent. This Status indicates that the registration is | | | rejected because another more recent registration was | | | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and a more recent | | | TID. One possible cause is a stale registration that has | | | progressed slowly in the network and was passed by a more | | | recent one. It could also indicate a ROVR collision. Pascal > If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want 128 + 3, and get 13= 1.. I think that's the point we wanted to make. Dec Hex Oct Bin 131 83 203 10000011 Pascal > Same here, am I missing something here? Any comments? [RJ] But the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is set. With 'A' bit= unset, as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own values for the = remaining 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not = be common between 6lo Status Code and RPL Status Code. Take care, Pascal On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav > wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > Rahul Jadhav > wrote: > >> > > You mean that we could change the ND status to 6-bits in the 6= lo > >> WG? > (I would have parsed ND status as being someing 6man takes = care > >> of) > >> > >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status values are reserved for s= tuff > >> that could be carried in RPL > >> > > RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF we do it this way, > RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to consider whether they = are > RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. This implies familiarit= y in > RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL. > > > I prefer the other approach where we restrict the ND ARO status to > > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the future seems far-fetch= ed > > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit ND ARO status to 64bi= ts > > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that "because of RPL" we nee= d to > > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy to digest! > > I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits to s= tore > 256 values. Please correct me if I mis-understood. > [RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem far-stretched. Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and carry as-is in the RPL status. --_000_MN2PR11MB3565F40E5ABE7875715F2B93D8FF0MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

True, we could.

 

Note that we might understand the “A” bit differ= ently. For me the flag means that the definition of the value is inherited = from a 6lo spec, it does not mean that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message.

 

Now if the node moves to a different root that is attached t= o a different 6BBR, it will get 1100 0011 which is 195. If the node moves within the same root, the = code will be whatever we decide here. Does the node really care which case = that is?

 

Maybe we could use 195 as opposed to 130?

 

Pascal

 

 

 

 


2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130)
RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents.

It was discussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value b= ut when I checked again it seems all right.

 0
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|E|A|  Value    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

130 =3D=3D <= /span>1000 0010 

The E bit is set = indicate rejection and A bit is unset to indicate non-ND value.

Thus 130 seems to be the right value.

Action Point? No change if this rationale is correct.<= /o:p>

 

Pascal >  Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505)

 

   = ;    3   | Moved: The registration failed because = it is not the most |

   |&nb= sp;      | recent.  This Status indicates tha= t the registration is   |

   |&nb= sp;      | rejected because another more recent re= gistration was     |

   |&nb= sp;      | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and= a more recent     |

   |&nb= sp;      | TID.  One possible cause is a stal= e registration that has |

   |&nb= sp;      | progressed slowly in the network and wa= s passed by a more |

   |&nb= sp;      | recent one.  It could also indicat= e a ROVR collision. 

 

Pascal > If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want = 128 + 3, and get 131..  I think that’s the point we wanted t= o make.

Dec  Hex  &nbs= p;    Oct        Bin=

    131 83     &nbs= p;   203       10000011<= /span>

 

Pascal > Same here, am I missing something here? Any com= ments?

 

[RJ] But the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is s= et. With 'A' bit unset, as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own= values for the remaining 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not be common between 6lo Stat= us Code and RPL Status Code.

 

 

Take care,

 

Pascal

 

On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:<= /span>

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelm= an.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> > > You mean that we could change th= e ND status to 6-bits in the 6lo
>     >> WG?  > (I would have parsed ND sta= tus as being someing 6man takes care
>     >> of)
>     >>
>     >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status v= alues are reserved for stuff
>     >> that could be carried in RPL
>     >>
>
>     RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF = we do it this way,
>     RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to c= onsider whether they are
>     RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. Th= is implies familiarity in
>     RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL.
>
>     > I prefer the other approach where we restrict = the ND ARO status to
>     > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the f= uture seems far-fetched
>     > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit = ND ARO status to 64bits
>     > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that &q= uot;because of RPL" we need to
>     > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy= to digest!
>
> I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits t= o store
> 256 values.  Please correct me if I mis-understood.
>

[RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry
the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL
Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used
and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem
far-stretched.
Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and
carry as-is in the RPL status.

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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please find my comment [RJ] inline. ________________________________ From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: 10 March 2020 08:12 PM To: Rahul Jadhav ; Routing Over Low power and Lossy ne= tworks Cc: 6lo@ietf.org <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage True, we could. Note that we might understand the =93A=94 bit differently. For me the flag = means that the definition of the value is inherited from a 6lo spec, it doe= s not mean that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message. Now if the node moves to a different root that is attached to a different 6= BBR, it will get 1100 0011 which is 195. If the node moves within the same = root, the code will be whatever we decide here. Does the node really care w= hich case that is? Maybe we could use 195 as opposed to 130? [RJ] Sorry, but I don't get this. Value 195 is a 6lo value i.e., the 'A' bi= t (2nd MSB) is set. The DCO-draft talks primarily about values when 'A' bit= is not set i.e., about RPL related values only. The DCO draft normatively = refers to unaware-leaves for values with 'A' bit set and for the definition= of 'A' bit itself. My understanding is, if a common ancestor node within RPL Instance generate= s DCO then the value is 130 ('A' bit is unset). If the DCO is generated bec= ause of 6lo operations (across 6BBR) then the value could be 195 ('A' bit s= et and lower 6-bits according to 6lo). Thus 130 value is ok in DCO-draft (i= n ROLL). Unaware-draft will talk about value 195. 2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130) RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents. It was discussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value but when I checke= d again it seems all right. 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |E|A| Value | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 130 =3D=3D 1000 0010 The E bit is set indicate rejection and A bit is unset to indicate non-ND v= alue. Thus 130 seems to be the right value. Action Point? No change if this rationale is correct. Pascal > Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505) 3 | Moved: The registration failed because it is not the most | | | recent. This Status indicates that the registration is | | | rejected because another more recent registration was | | | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and a more recent | | | TID. One possible cause is a stale registration that has | | | progressed slowly in the network and was passed by a more | | | recent one. It could also indicate a ROVR collision. Pascal > If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want 128 + 3, and get 13= 1.. I think that=92s the point we wanted to make. Dec Hex Oct Bin 131 83 203 10000011 Pascal > Same here, am I missing something here? Any comments? [RJ] But the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is set. With 'A' bit= unset, as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own values for the = remaining 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not = be common between 6lo Status Code and RPL Status Code. Take care, Pascal On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav > wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > Rahul Jadhav > wrote: > >> > > You mean that we could change the ND status to 6-bits in the 6= lo > >> WG? > (I would have parsed ND status as being someing 6man takes = care > >> of) > >> > >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status values are reserved for s= tuff > >> that could be carried in RPL > >> > > RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF we do it this way, > RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to consider whether they = are > RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. This implies familiarit= y in > RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL. > > > I prefer the other approach where we restrict the ND ARO status to > > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the future seems far-fetch= ed > > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit ND ARO status to 64bi= ts > > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that "because of RPL" we nee= d to > > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy to digest! > > I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits to s= tore > 256 values. Please correct me if I mis-understood. > [RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem far-stretched. Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and carry as-is in the RPL status. --_000_MAXPR0101MB12900F8E88A5A29D59929D54A9FF0MAXPR0101MB1290_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please find my comment [RJ] inline.

From: Pascal Thubert (pthub= ert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Sent: 10 March 2020 08:12 PM
To: Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>; Routing Over Low power= and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: 6lo@ietf.org <6lo@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkag= e
 

True, we= could.

 

Note tha= t we might understand the =93A=94 bit differently. For me the flag means th= at the definition of the value is inherited from a 6lo spec, it does not me= an that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message.

 

Now if t= he node moves to a different root that is attached to a different 6BBR, it = will get 1100 0011 which is 195. If the node moves within the same root, the = code will be whatever we decide here. Does the node really care which case = that is?

 

Maybe we= could use 195 as opposed to 130?


[RJ] Sor= ry, but I don't get this. Value 195 is a 6lo value i.e., the 'A' bit (2nd M= SB) is set. The DCO-draft talks primarily about values when 'A' bit is not = set i.e., about RPL related values only. The DCO draft normatively refers to unaware-leaves for values with 'A' bit= set and for the definition of 'A' bit itself.

My understanding is, if a common ancestor node wi= thin RPL Instance generates DCO then the value is 130 ('A' bit is unset). I= f the DCO is generated because of 6lo operations (across 6BBR) then the value could be 195 ('A' bit set and lowe= r 6-bits according to 6lo). Thus 130 value is ok in DCO-draft (in ROLL). Unaware-dr= aft will talk about value 195.

  

 

 

 


2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130)
RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents.

It was d= iscussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value but when I checked again = it seems all right.

 0
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|E|A|  Value    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

130 =3D=3D 1000 0010 

The E bit is set indicate rejection and A = bit is unset to indicate non-ND value.

Thus 130= seems to be the right value.

Action P= oint? No change if this rationale is correct.

 

Pascal &= gt;  Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505)

 

       3&nbs= p;  | Moved: The registration failed because it is not the most |

   |    &nbs= p;  | recent.  This Status indicates that the registration is&nbs= p;  |

   |    &nbs= p;  | rejected because another more recent registration was  = ;   |

   |    &nbs= p;  | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and a more recent  = ;   |

   |    &nbs= p;  | TID.  One possible cause is a stale registration that has |=

   |    &nbs= p;  | progressed slowly in the network and was passed by a more |

   |    &nbs= p;  | recent one.  It could also indicate a ROVR collision. 

 

Pascal &= gt; If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want 128 + 3, and get 131= ..  I think that=92s the point we wanted to make.

Dec = ; Hex       Oct     =    Bin

 &n= bsp;  131 83         203 =       10000011

 

Pascal &= gt; Same here, am I missing something here? Any comments?

 

[RJ] But= the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is set. With 'A' bit unset, = as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own values for the remainin= g 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not be common between 6lo Status Code and RPL Stat= us Code.

 

 

Take car= e,

 

Pascal

 

On Sat, = 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, = 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> > > You mean that we could change th= e ND status to 6-bits in the 6lo
>     >> WG?  > (I would have parsed ND sta= tus as being someing 6man takes care
>     >> of)
>     >>
>     >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status v= alues are reserved for stuff
>     >> that could be carried in RPL
>     >>
>
>     RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF = we do it this way,
>     RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to c= onsider whether they are
>     RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. Th= is implies familiarity in
>     RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL.
>
>     > I prefer the other approach where we restrict = the ND ARO status to
>     > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the f= uture seems far-fetched
>     > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit = ND ARO status to 64bits
>     > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that &q= uot;because of RPL" we need to
>     > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy= to digest!
>
> I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits t= o store
> 256 values.  Please correct me if I mis-understood.
>

[RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry
the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL
Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used
and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem
far-stretched.
Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and
carry as-is in the RPL status.

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That's the point in my first sentence Rahul. If all we want to carry is mov= ed then we can use the 6lo status, no need to invent another value. We need to invent values for RPL specific stuff only. Here it makes the lif= e of the device easier if there's a single code for moved unless we need to= know the difference Pascal From: Rahul Jadhav Sent: mardi 10 mars 2020 15:58 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Routing Over Low power = and Lossy networks Cc: 6lo@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage Please find my comment [RJ] inline. ________________________________ From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Sent: 10 March 2020 08:12 PM To: Rahul Jadhav >; Routing= Over Low power and Lossy networks > Cc: 6lo@ietf.org <6lo@ietf.org> Subject: RE: [Roll] Unaware-leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage True, we could. Note that we might understand the "A" bit differently. For me the flag mean= s that the definition of the value is inherited from a 6lo spec, it does no= t mean that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message. Now if the node moves to a different root that is attached to a different 6= BBR, it will get 1100 0011 which is 195. If the node moves within the same = root, the code will be whatever we decide here. Does the node really care w= hich case that is? Maybe we could use 195 as opposed to 130? [RJ] Sorry, but I don't get this. Value 195 is a 6lo value i.e., the 'A' bi= t (2nd MSB) is set. The DCO-draft talks primarily about values when 'A' bit= is not set i.e., about RPL related values only. The DCO draft normatively = refers to unaware-leaves for values with 'A' bit set and for the definition= of 'A' bit itself. My understanding is, if a common ancestor node within RPL Instance generate= s DCO then the value is 130 ('A' bit is unset). If the DCO is generated bec= ause of 6lo operations (across 6BBR) then the value could be 195 ('A' bit s= et and lower 6-bits according to 6lo). Thus 130 value is ok in DCO-draft (i= n ROLL). Unaware-draft will talk about value 195. 2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130) RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents. It was discussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value but when I checke= d again it seems all right. 0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ |E|A| Value | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 130 =3D=3D 1000 0010 The E bit is set indicate rejection and A bit is unset to indicate non-ND v= alue. Thus 130 seems to be the right value. Action Point? No change if this rationale is correct. Pascal > Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505) 3 | Moved: The registration failed because it is not the most | | | recent. This Status indicates that the registration is | | | rejected because another more recent registration was | | | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and a more recent | | | TID. One possible cause is a stale registration that has | | | progressed slowly in the network and was passed by a more | | | recent one. It could also indicate a ROVR collision. Pascal > If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want 128 + 3, and get 13= 1.. I think that's the point we wanted to make. Dec Hex Oct Bin 131 83 203 10000011 Pascal > Same here, am I missing something here? Any comments? [RJ] But the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is set. With 'A' bit= unset, as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its own values for the = remaining 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not = be common between 6lo Status Code and RPL Status Code. Take care, Pascal On Sat, 28 Dec 2019 at 12:36, Rahul Jadhav > wrote: On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson > wrote: > > > Rahul Jadhav > wrote: > >> > > You mean that we could change the ND status to 6-bits in the 6= lo > >> WG? > (I would have parsed ND status as being someing 6man takes = care > >> of) > >> > >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status values are reserved for s= tuff > >> that could be carried in RPL > >> > > RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF we do it this way, > RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to consider whether they = are > RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. This implies familiarit= y in > RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL. > > > I prefer the other approach where we restrict the ND ARO status to > > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the future seems far-fetch= ed > > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit ND ARO status to 64bi= ts > > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that "because of RPL" we nee= d to > > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy to digest! > > I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits to s= tore > 256 values. Please correct me if I mis-understood. > [RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem far-stretched. Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and carry as-is in the RPL status. --_000_MN2PR11MB3565A4749C425EDD4FF91FECD8FF0MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That’s the point in my first sentence Rahul. If all we= want to carry is moved then we can use the 6lo status, no need to invent a= nother value.

We need to invent values for RPL specific stuff only. Here i= t makes the life of the device easier if there’s a single code for mo= ved unless we need to know the difference

 

Pascal

 

From: Rahul Jadhav <= ;nyrahul@outlook.com>
Sent: mardi 10 mars 2020 15:= 58
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert= ) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <= ;roll@ietf.org>
Cc: 6lo@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Roll] Unaware-= leaves - ND-Status and RPL-Status linkage

 

Please find my comment [RJ] inli= ne.

 <= /p>

True, we could.

 

Note that we might understand the “A” bit diffe= rently. For me the flag means that the definition of the value is inherited= from a 6lo spec, it does not mean that in runtime the status was imported from a 6lo message.

 

Now if the node moves to a different root that is attached = to a different 6BBR, it will get 1100 0011 w= hich is 195. If the node moves within the same root, the code will be whate= ver we decide here. Does the node really care which case that is?

 

Maybe we could use 195 as opposed to 130?

 

[RJ] Sorry, but I don't get this. Value 195 is a 6lo value = i.e., the 'A' bit (2nd MSB) is set. The DCO-draft talks primarily about val= ues when 'A' bit is not set i.e., about RPL related values only. The DCO draft normatively refers to unaware-leave= s for values with 'A' bit set and for the definition of 'A' bit itself.

My understanding is, if a common ancestor node within RPL I= nstance generates DCO then the value is 130 ('A' bit is unset). If the DCO = is generated because of 6lo operations (across 6BBR) then the value could be 195 ('A' bit set and lower 6-bits according = to 6lo). Thus 130 value is ok in DCO-draft (in ROLL). Unaware-draft wi= ll talk about value 195.

  

 

 

 


2. RPL status code for DCO (currently 130)
RPL Status code of 130 in DCO indicates that the address has moved i.e., so= mewhere below/downstream in the sub-dodag the target has changed parents.

It was discussed that 130 may not be an appropriate value = but when I checked again it seems all right.

 0
 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
|E|A|  Value    |
+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+

130 =3D=3D <= /span>1000 0010 

The E bit is set = indicate rejection and A bit is unset to indicate non-ND value.

Thus 130 seems to be the right value.

Action Point? No change if this rationale is correct.=

 

Pascal >  Moved is 3 in 6lo (https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8505)

 

   = ;    3   | Moved: The registration failed because = it is not the most |

   |&nb= sp;      | recent.  This Status indicates tha= t the registration is   |

   |&nb= sp;      | rejected because another more recent re= gistration was     |

   |&nb= sp;      | done, as indicated by the same ROVR and= a more recent     |

   |&nb= sp;      | TID.  One possible cause is a stal= e registration that has |

   |&nb= sp;      | progressed slowly in the network and wa= s passed by a more |

   |&nb= sp;      | recent one.  It could also indicat= e a ROVR collision. 

 

Pascal > If we say that Value is the 6Lo status we want= 128 + 3, and get 131..  I think that’s the point we wanted = to make.

Dec  Hex  &nbs= p;    Oct        Bin=

    131 83     &nb= sp;   203       10000011=

 

Pascal > Same here, am I missing something here? Any co= mments?

 

[RJ] But the 6lo value is applicable only when 'A' bit is = set. With 'A' bit unset, as is the case above, RPL is free to choose its ow= n values for the remaining 6bits. Isn't it? I was assuming that the 6-bit registry will not be common between 6lo = Status Code and RPL Status Code.

 

 

Take care,

 

Pascal

 

On Fri, 27 Dec 2019 at 11:58, Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandel= man.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Rahul Jadhav <rahul.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>     >> > > You mean that we could change th= e ND status to 6-bits in the 6lo
>     >> WG?  > (I would have parsed ND sta= tus as being someing 6man takes care
>     >> of)
>     >>
>     >> Yes, or mandate that the 64 first Status v= alues are reserved for stuff
>     >> that could be carried in RPL
>     >>
>
>     RJ> Wondering how such a mandate would work. IF = we do it this way,
>     RJ> future extensions to ND ARO status need to c= onsider whether they are
>     RJ> applicable to RPL and define accordingly. Th= is implies familiarity in
>     RJ> 6lo/6MAN with RPL.
>
>     > I prefer the other approach where we restrict = the ND ARO status to
>     > 64bits itself. Anyways using 128 bits in the f= uture seems far-fetched
>     > (as indicated by Pascal before). But to limit = ND ARO status to 64bits
>     > we need to convince the 6lo/6MAN group that &q= uot;because of RPL" we need to
>     > reduce the size. I am not sure if this is easy= to digest!
>
> I thought that we had 6-bits to store 64-values, while ND has 8-bits t= o store
> 256 values.  Please correct me if I mis-understood.
>

[RJ] Currently ND has 8bits to store 256 values ... RPL needs to carry
the same 8-bits but currently it has space only for 6-bits in RPL
Status field. But as of now only few values of ND status has been used
and using up 256 values (or for that matter 64 values) seem
far-stretched.
Thus one of the opinions is to limit the ND status to 64-bits and
carry as-is in the RPL status.

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Papadopoulos" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Rahul Jadhav Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d5828205a0828d81" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] Remaining issues on draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 16:24:41 -0000 --000000000000d5828205a0828d81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear roll, we have now submitted all the agreed upon changes to the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (will present them at the meeting). One small mistake is the reversal of a CAN to MAY that Dominique made, but we found that we had missed that after the submission system closed, so we will fix in -08 once the submission system re-opens. Two small issues remain: a) Compression of the PS IPv6 addresses. Rahul brought this up in his review, we mentioned that this was proposed before, implemented and then re-removed because of the plan to have a draft that performs compression on all RPL control traffic packets (following Pascal's and Dominique's advice). *Question: is there any chance this has changed and we might want to perform compression on the PS field specifically after all?* b) Change of the context of the PS NSA object from a constraint to a metric. Following Dominique's suggestion we changed it from a constraint to a recorded (R=1), partial (P=1) metric (C=0). The issue is that we are extending MRHOF and MRHOF supports the use of a single metric for computing the rank. It is true that the PS NSA object is not used for rank calculation, and we have clarified this. However, there might be still a conflict or a point to be clarified. See in MRHOF Section 2 Terminology : "Selected metric: The metric chosen for path selection by the network operator. MRHOF supports using a single metric for path selection." VS our draft Section 5.1 "Usage" : "It is important that the PS does not affect the calculation of the rank through candidate neighbors. It is only used with the CA OF to remove nodes which do not fulfill the CA OF criteria from the candidate neighbor list." *Question: Is this sufficient in terms of explanation?* We would really appreciate answers on these, if possible of course, before the ROLL meeting so that we can update/finalize the drafts. Kind regards, Aris & Georgios --000000000000d5828205a0828d81 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear roll,

we have now submi= tted all the agreed upon changes to the draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (w= ill present them at the meeting).

O= ne small mistake is the reversal of a CAN to MAY that Dominique made, but w= e found that we had missed that after the submission system closed, so we w= ill fix in -08 once the submission system re-opens.

Two small issues remain:

a) Compression of the P= S IPv6 addresses.
Rahul brought this up in his review, we mention= ed that this was proposed before, implemented and then re-removed because o= f the plan to have a draft that performs compression on all RPL control tra= ffic packets (following Pascal's and Dominique's advice).
Question: is there any chance this has changed and we might want to per= form compression on the PS field specifically after all?

=
b) Change of the context of the PS NSA object from a constraint = to a metric.
Following=C2=A0 Dominique's suggestion we change= d it from a constraint to a recorded (R=3D1), partial (P=3D1) metric (C=3D0= ).
The issue is that we are extending MRHOF and MRHOF supports th= e use of a single metric for computing the rank.
It is true that = the PS NSA object is not used for rank calculation, and we have clarified t= his.
However, there might be still a conflict or a point to be cl= arified.
"Selected = metric: =C2=A0The metric chosen for path selection by the network operator.= =C2=A0 MRHOF supports using a single metric for path selection."
=





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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all : As you may know, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves is blocking the whole clust= er C130 https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=3DC310 and we want = to ship it now (WG milestone: Mar 2020 - Initial submission). The issue we = have with it is the fact that we allow encapsulate the ARO status in a RPL = status and we need bits to signal that. To free the necessary bits the proposal on the table is to reduce the possi= ble values for the ARO status to 0-63. This can be done by a simple IANA action that can be taken from draft-ietf-= roll-unaware-leaves but we wanted to ensure that both ROLL and 6lo agree wi= th the proposal: 12.1. Resizing the ARO Status values IANA is requested to modify the Address Registration Option Status Values Registry as follows: The unassigned values range is reduced from 11-255 to 11-63. NB: this will free 2 bits in the Extended Address Registration Option and t= he Extended Duplicate Address Message, could become handy in the future. Is there an issue with this that we are missing? Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB35651792CF4ABA5A79E36430D8FC0MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all :

 

As you may know, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves is blocking = the whole cluster C130 https://= www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=3DC310 and we want to ship it n= ow (WG milestone: Mar 2020 - Initial submission). The issue we have with it= is the fact that we allow encapsulate the ARO status in a RPL status and we need bits to signal that.=

 

To free the necessary bits the proposal on the table is to r= educe the possible values for the ARO status to 0-63.

This can be done by a simple IANA action that can be taken f= rom draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves but we wanted to ensure that both ROLL a= nd 6lo agree with the proposal:

 

 

12.1.  Resizing= the ARO Status values

 

   IANA is= requested to modify the Address Registration Option Status

   Values = Registry as follows: The unassigned values range is reduced

   from 11= -255 to 11-63.

 

 

NB: this will free 2 bits in the Extended Address Registrati= on Option and the Extended Duplicate Address Message, could become handy in= the future.

 

Is there an issue with this that we are missing?<= /span>

 

Pascal

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list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 14:13:04 -0000 Dear all, The proposed update is fine with us (Shwetha and Carles), considering the 53 ARO status values that would still be available. There appear to be no backwards issues either. Would anyone in the 6Lo WG (or anyone receiving this email) have any concerns with the proposal below by Pascal and folks? If yes, please do chime in! Thanks, Shwetha and Carles > Dear all : > > As you may know, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves is blocking the whole > cluster C130 https://www.rfc-editor.org/cluster_info.php?cid=C310 and we > want to ship it now (WG milestone: Mar 2020 - Initial submission). The > issue we have with it is the fact that we allow encapsulate the ARO status > in a RPL status and we need bits to signal that. > > To free the necessary bits the proposal on the table is to reduce the > possible values for the ARO status to 0-63. > This can be done by a simple IANA action that can be taken from > draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves but we wanted to ensure that both ROLL and > 6lo agree with the proposal: > > > 12.1. 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This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : RPL Capabilities Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Michael Richardson Rabi Narayan Sahoo Filename : draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2020-03-11 Abstract: This draft enables the discovery, advertisement and query of capabilities for RPL nodes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear All, The flags/refs update somehow didn't go through (i messed up the ver) in my= last update. This fixes it. Best, Rahul ________________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: 11 March 2020 09:38 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: roll@ietf.org Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF. Title : RPL Capabilities Authors : Rahul Arvind Jadhav Pascal Thubert Michael Richardson Rabi Narayan Sahoo Filename : draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2020-03-11 Abstract: This draft enables the discovery, advertisement and query of capabilities for RPL nodes. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_MAXPR0101MB12906E9E67E8C68FC644E1E0A9FC0MAXPR0101MB1290_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear All,

The flags/refs update somehow didn't go through (i messed up the ver) in my last update. This fixes it.

Best,
Rahul 


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From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.= org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Sent: 11 March 2020 09:38 PM
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Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02.txt

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

        Title    &nb= sp;      : RPL Capabilities
        Authors    &= nbsp;    : Rahul Arvind Jadhav
            &nb= sp;            = Pascal Thubert
            &nb= sp;            = Michael Richardson
            &nb= sp;            = Rabi Narayan Sahoo
        Filename    =     : draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02.txt
        Pages    &nb= sp;      : 16
        Date    &nbs= p;       : 2020-03-11

Abstract:
   This draft enables the discovery, advertisement and query of    capabilities for RPL nodes.


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--000000000000e5e70605a096a115-- From nobody Wed Mar 11 17:20:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F328D3A0DE4 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:20:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.87 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.87 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VtWc8b-H6UEX for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [IPv6:2001:638:a000:4134::ffff:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0BF2A3A0DFD for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de [131.188.34.52]) by faui40.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15E1F548049 for ; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:20:18 +0100 (CET) Received: by faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de (Postfix, from userid 10463) id 08453440040; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:20:18 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:20:17 +0100 From: Toerless Eckert To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200312002017.GP54522@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] RFC6553 ? X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 00:20:44 -0000 Quick question: I can not see RFC6553 to be deprecated or superceeded in RFC Index. Nevertheless: https://www.iana.org/assignments/ipv6-parameters/ipv6-parameters.xhtml#ipv6-parameters-2 RPL Option (DEPRECATED) [RFC6553] Couldn't find quickly an explanation for this. Can anyone fill me in, pls. ? Specifically: In my ANIMA ACP draft i tried to unwind all those RPL TLAs like RPI and that had me include a sentence about RFC6553 being one RPI option, only to the extend that we do not want to use it though (informational), so i hope thats fine whether or not RFC6553 is not recommended anymore in general. 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X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 01:15:46 -0000 --_000_BM1PR01MB40207DA8F29DDB2E771AA61FA9FD0BM1PR01MB4020INDP_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RPL Option (DEPRECATED) [RFC6553] Couldn't find quickly an explanation for this. Can anyone fill me in, pls. ? [RJ] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-36#section-4.= 2 updates RFC6553 RPL Option type value from 0x63 to 0x23. The section prov= ides good reasoning for the update. Hope it helps. Specifically: In my ANIMA ACP draft i tried to unwind all those RPL TLAs like RPI and that had me include a sentence about RFC6553 being one RPI option, only to the extend that we do not want to use it though (informatio= nal), so i hope thats fine whether or not RFC6553 is not recommended anymore in general. Thanks Toerless _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_BM1PR01MB40207DA8F29DDB2E771AA61FA9FD0BM1PR01MB4020INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


RPL Option (DEPRECATED) [RFC6553]

Couldn't find quickly an explanation for this.

Can anyone fill me in, pls. ?

[RJ] https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-36#section-4.2 update= s RFC6553 RPL Option type value from 0x63 to 0x23. The section provides good reasoning for the update. Hope it helps.

Specifically: In my ANIMA ACP draft i tried to unwind all those RPL TLAs like RPI and that had me include a sentence about RFC6553 being one RPI
option, only to the extend that we do not want to use it though (informatio= nal),
so i hope thats fine whether or not RFC6553 is not recommended anymore
in general.

Thanks
    Toerless

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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Kindly note that this draft resulted because of the split up between capabi= lities and MOPex. Earlier the WG had adopted the combined idea of caps and MOPex. However, we= decided to split up because of no dependency between the two and because M= OPex can be handled much faster than capabilities (due to low complexity). This draft does not have any design/rationale change, wrt MOPex handling, a= fter the split. Thanks, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of Ines Robles Sent: 11 March 2020 09:51 PM To: roll Cc: Michael Richardson Subject: [Roll] WG call for adoption for draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02 Dear all, This is a WG call for adoption of draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02. Please send your comments by 25th March 2020. We kindly reminder also that we have an ongoing WGLC for draft-ietf-roll-tu= rnon-rfc8138-04, please states your comments on it. Thank you very much, Ines, Dominique and Michael. --_000_BM1PR01MB4020100C77C55BD7FBCDE292A9FD0BM1PR01MB4020INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello All,

Kindly note that this draft resulted because of the split up between capabi= lities and MOPex.
Earlier the WG had adopted the combined idea of caps and MOPex. However, we decided to split up because of no dependency = between the two and because MOPex can be handled much faster than capabilities (due to low complexity).

This draft does not have any design/rationale change, wrt MOPex handling, a= fter the split.

Thanks,
Rahul
From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.c= om@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 11 March 2020 09:51 PM
To: roll <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: [Roll] WG call for adoption for draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02<= /font>
 
Dear all,

This is a WG call for adoption of draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02.

Please send your comments by 25th March 2020.

We kindly reminder also that we have an ongoing WGLC for draft-ie= tf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04, please states your comments on it.

Thank you very much,

Ines, Dominique and Michael.
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X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 02:59:36 -0000 Argh... ok. And 0x23 was even a line earlier in IANA. Somewhat of a strance process to deprecate in IANA before useofrplinfo is RFC. Or could at least have said ("DEPRECATED, see 0x23) Oh well. Thanks for helping the blind. Cheers Toerless On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 01:15:40AM +0000, Rahul Jadhav wrote: > > > RPL Option (DEPRECATED) [RFC6553] > > Couldn't find quickly an explanation for this. > > Can anyone fill me in, pls. ? > > [RJ] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-36#section-4.2 updates RFC6553 RPL Option type value from 0x63 to 0x23. The section provides good reasoning for the update. Hope it helps. > > Specifically: In my ANIMA ACP draft i tried to unwind all those RPL TLAs > like RPI and that had me include a sentence about RFC6553 being one RPI > option, only to the extend that we do not want to use it though (informational), > so i hope thats fine whether or not RFC6553 is not recommended anymore > in general. > > Thanks > Toerless > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll -- --- tte@cs.fau.de From nobody Wed Mar 11 23:22:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E7DA3A1120 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:22:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2cY94_NV5E8L for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0B853A10E0 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2020 23:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.42.113] (p548DCD70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.205.112]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48dJds3txwzydC; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:22:25 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3608.60.0.2.5\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <20200312025929.GA63828@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:22:25 +0100 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 605686944.921518-df43b01c56a9b6ebe3309ce0808b1db0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20200312002017.GP54522@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> <20200312025929.GA63828@faui48f.informatik.uni-erlangen.de> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.60.0.2.5) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] RFC6553 ? X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 06:22:36 -0000 On 2020-03-12, at 03:59, Toerless Eckert wrote: >=20 > deprecate in IANA before useofrplinfo > is RFC. =E2=80=9CIs RFC=E2=80=9D is not a statement with any meaning outside the = bureaucratic satisfaction of it finally being published. Public service = announcement: Do not use this phrase in the sense of progression of a = document. =E2=80=9CIs approved=E2=80=9D is more interesting. For useofrplinfo, = that was 2019-07-11. This type of event is also when the IANA actions are implemented (which = here took until 2019-07-15). 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Papadopoulos" In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 09:42:37 +0100 Cc: Michael Richardson Message-Id: <4C85408C-4551-4F0B-876A-96E8F06445D7@imt-atlantique.fr> References: To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WG call for adoption for draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 08:42:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1D37C606-97AE-448C-A184-E89147B2C904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear all, I have read this draft before the split and indeed, I find them much = more clear as separated.=20 +1 for adoption, Giorgos > On Mar 12, 2020, at 02:36, Rahul Jadhav wrote: >=20 > Hello All, >=20 > Kindly note that this draft resulted because of the split up between = capabilities and MOPex. > Earlier the WG had adopted the combined idea of caps and MOPex. = However, we decided to split up because of no dependency between the two = and because MOPex can be handled much faster than capabilities (due to = low complexity). >=20 > This draft does not have any design/rationale change, wrt MOPex = handling, after the split. >=20 > Thanks, > Rahul > From: Roll on behalf of Ines Robles = > Sent: 11 March 2020 09:51 PM > To: roll > Cc: Michael Richardson > Subject: [Roll] WG call for adoption for draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02 > =20 > Dear all, >=20 > This is a WG call for adoption of draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02. >=20 > Please send your comments by 25th March 2020. >=20 > We kindly reminder also that we have an ongoing WGLC for = draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04, please states your comments on it. >=20 > Thank you very much, >=20 > Ines, Dominique and Michael. > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --Apple-Mail=_1D37C606-97AE-448C-A184-E89147B2C904 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear all,

I have read this draft before the split = and indeed, I find them much more clear as separated. 

+1 for = adoption,
Giorgos


On Mar 12, 2020, at 02:36, Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>= wrote:

Hello = All,

Kindly note that this draft = resulted because of the split up between capabilities and = MOPex.
Earlier the WG had adopted the combined idea of caps and = MOPex. However, we decided to split up because of = no dependency between the two and because MOPex can be handled much = faster than capabilities (due to low complexity).

This draft does not have any design/rationale change, wrt = MOPex handling, after the split.

Thanks,
Rahul
From: Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 11 March 2020 09:51 PM
To: roll <roll@ietf.org>
Cc: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>
Subject: [Roll] WG call for adoption = for draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02
 
Dear all,

This is a WG call for adoption = of draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02.

Please send your comments by 25th March = 2020.

We = kindly reminder also that we have an ongoing WGLC = for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04, please states your comments = on it.

Thank = you very much,

Ines, Dominique and Michael.
_______________________________________________
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Roll@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll

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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While reading section related to RPI Option Type, I had some doubts: Section 4.3 states, "In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the RPL Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so DIO messages sent by the node would be sent with the flag unset until a DIO message is received with the flag set, indicating the new RPI value. The node will use the value 0x23 if it supports this feature." [RJ] A node can initiate a DIO only when it decides to attach itself to the= Instance/DAG based on DIO received from the upstream node. Thus a 6LR/6LN = __will always have a ref value to use from its parent's DIO__. The para sta= tes, ".... so DIO messages sent by the node would be sent with the flag uns= et until a DIO message is received with the flag set.....". This may be inc= orrect because the node will always have a flag ref from config option from= DIO rcvd from upstream node. Subsequently, in the same para, the text says, "The node will use the value= 0x23 if it supports this feature." Do you mean even if the flag in Config = option is not set it can use 0x23 if it supports the feature? This doesn't = seem right! Contradicts with other stmts in the same section for e.g., "Thu= s, when a node join to a network will know which value to use." >From my point of view, this para is not needed since there is no impact on = 6LR/6LN for this flag because of the reboot operation. Regarding the terminology: The draft terms, the new option type as "RPI Opt= ion Type" (value 0x23) and the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is this = correct? Thanks, Rahul --_000_BM1PR01MB4020DDE62CBD04217E48C180A9FD0BM1PR01MB4020INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While reading section related to RPI Option Type, I had some doubts:

Section 4.3 states, 
"In the = case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the
RPL Option Type (i.e., whether or not the fl= ag is set), so DIO
messages sent by the node would be sent with the fl= ag unset until a
DIO message is received with the flag set, indicati= ng the new RPI
value. The node will use the value 0x23 if it suppo= rts this feature."

[RJ] A= node can initiate a DIO only when it decides to attach itself to the Insta= nce/DAG based on DIO received from the upstream node. Thus a 6LR/6LN __will= always have a ref value to use from its parent's DIO__. The para states, ".... so DIO messages sent by th= e node would be sent with the flag unset until a DIO message is received wi= th the flag set.....". This may be incorrect because the node will alw= ays have a flag ref from config option from DIO rcvd from upstream node.
Subseq= uently, in the same para, the text says, "The node will use the value = 0x23 if it supports this feature." Do you mean even if the flag in Con= fig option is not set it can use 0x23 if it supports the feature? This doesn't seem right! Contradicts with other stmts in the = same section for e.g., "Thus, when a node join to a network = ;will know which value to use."
From m= y point of view, this para is not needed since there is no impact on 6LR/6L= N for this flag because of the reboot operation.

Regarding th= e terminology: The draft terms, the new option type as "RPI Option Type" (value 0x23) and the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is this correct?

Thanks,
Rahul
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On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:04 AM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > While reading section related to RPI Option Type, I had some doubts: > > Section 4.3 states, > "In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the > RPL Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so DIO > messages sent by the node would be sent with the flag unset until a > DIO message is received with the flag set, indicating the new RPI > value. The node will use the value 0x23 if it supports this feature." > > [RJ] A node can initiate a DIO only when it decides to attach itself to > the Instance/DAG based on DIO received from the upstream node. Thus a > 6LR/6LN __will always have a ref value to use from its parent's DIO__. The > para states, ".... so DIO messages sent by the node would be sent with the > flag unset until a DIO message is received with the flag set.....". This > may be incorrect because the node will always have a flag ref from config > option from DIO rcvd from upstream node. > [IR] Thank you for pointing it out. Thus, in case of rebooting the node waits to receive a DIO (or it may send a DIS msge?), and when it receives a DIO, then it can trigger one. > Subsequently, in the same para, the text says, "The node will use the > value 0x23 if it supports this feature." Do you mean even if the flag in > Config option is not set it can use 0x23 if it supports the feature? > [IR] No, the flag in Config option indicates when then 0x23 RPI option Type can be safely used. This means, the flag is going to indicate the value of Option Type that the network is using for the RPI Option The correct? sentence could be: "The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports this feature (DODAG Configuration option flag set)" . > This doesn't seem right! Contradicts with other stmts in the same section > for e.g., "Thus, when a node join to a network will know which value to > use." > [IR] yes, which know the value based on the flag in the config option. > From my point of view, this para is not needed since there is no impact on > 6LR/6LN for this flag because of the reboot operation. > [IR] Thank you, we could delete the para if people/other coauthors agree. But in case that we want to specify the case on rebooting, would it the following make sense? "In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the RPI Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so the node will not trigger DIO messages until a DIO message is received indicating the RPI value to be used. The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports this feature." Regarding the terminology: The draft terms, the new option type as "RPI > Option Type" (value 0x23) and the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is > this correct? > [IR] we define RPI here as follows: RPL Packet Information (RPI): The abstract information that [RFC6550 ] places in IP packets. The term is commonly used, including in this document, to refer to the RPL Option [RFC6553 ] that transports that abstract information in an IPv6 Hob-by-Hop Header Yes, with RPI Option Type we refer to the RPL Option described in 6553 Thank you very much Rahul for constantly helping us to improve our work :) Best, Ines. > > Thanks, > Rahul > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000007bd4bb05a0a6ba73 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you very much Rahul for your review= , please find in-line some comments.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 11:04 AM Rahul = Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com&g= t; wrote:
While reading section related to RPI Option Type, I had some doubts:

Section 4.3 states,=C2=A0
"In the case of rebooting, t= he node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the
RPL Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set)= , so DIO
messages sent by the node would be sent with the flag unset u= ntil a
DIO message is received with the flag set, indicating the new= RPI
value. The node will use the value 0x23 if it supports this f= eature."

[RJ] A= node can initiate a DIO only when it decides to attach itself to the Insta= nce/DAG based on DIO received from the upstream node. Thus a 6LR/6LN __will= always have a ref value to use from its parent's DIO__. The para states, ".... so DIO messages sent b= y the node would be sent with the flag unset until a DIO message is receive= d with the flag set.....". This may be incorrect because the node will= always have a flag ref from config option from DIO rcvd from upstream node.
[IR] Thank you for pointing it out. Thus, in case of rebooting = the node waits to receive a DIO (or it may send a DIS msge?), and when it r= eceives a DIO, then it can trigger one.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
Subsequently, in= the same para, the text says, "The node will use the value 0x23 if it= supports this feature." Do you mean even if the flag in Config option= is not set it can use 0x23 if it supports the feature?
=C2=A0
[I= R] No, the flag in Config option indicates when then 0x23 RPI option Type c= an be safely used. This means, the flag is going to indicate the value of O= ption Type that the network is using for the RPI Option

The correct? sentence could be: "The node will use the value 0x2= 3 if the network supports this feature (DODAG Configuration option flag set)" .=C2=A0=
=C2=A0
This doesn't seem right! Contradicts with other stmts= in the same section for e.g., "Thus, when a node join to a netw= ork=C2=A0will know which value to use."
[IR] yes, which know the value based on the= flag in the config option.
=C2=A0
From m= y point of view, this para is not needed since there is no impact on 6LR/6L= N for this flag because of the reboot operation.
=C2=A0
[IR] Thank you, we could delete the para i= f people/other coauthors agree. But in case that we want to specify the cas= e on rebooting, would it the following make sense?

"In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the
RPI Option Type (i.e., whether or not the= flag is set), so the node will not trigger DIO
m= essages until a DIO message is received indicating the RPI
v= alue to be used. The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports t= his feature."=C2=A0

Regarding the terminology: The dra= ft terms,=C2=A0the new option type as "RPI Option Type" (value 0x23) and=C2=A0the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is this correct?

[IR] we define RPI her= e as follows:

RPL Packet Information (RPI): The abstract information that [RFC6550]
   places in IP packets.  The term is commonly used, including in this
   document, to refer to the RPL Option [RFC6553] that transports that=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0abstract information in an = IPv6 Hob-by-Hop Header

Yes, with RPI Option= Type we refer to the RPL Option described in 6553=C2=A0

Thank you very much Rahul for constantly=C2=A0helping us to improve = our work :)

Best,

Ines.

Thanks,
Rahul
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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Ines. The updated text is more clear and in sync with other text in = the section. Please find my resp inline. Best, Rahul [IR] Thank you, we could delete the para if people/other coauthors agree. B= ut in case that we want to specify the case on rebooting, would it the foll= owing make sense? "In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the RPI Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so the node will no= t trigger DIO messages until a DIO message is received indicating the RPI value to be used. The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports = this feature." [RJ] Yes this para is more clear for me. Thanks. Regarding the terminology: The draft terms, the new option type as "RPI Opt= ion Type" (value 0x23) and the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is this = correct? [IR] we define RPI here as follows: RPL Packet Information (RPI): The abstract information that [RFC6550] places in IP packets. The term is commonly used, including in this document, to refer to the RPL Option [RFC6553] that transports that abstract information in an IPv6 Hob-by-Hop Header Yes, with RPI Option Type we refer to the RPL Option described in 6553 [RJ] Great! Please also check the PR I raised on GitHub and use the changes= if it makes sense. --_000_BM1PR01MB4020B32E9AC2BD7FBBCAE776A9FD0BM1PR01MB4020INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Ines. The updated text is more clear and in sync with other text in = the section. Please find my resp inline.

Best,
Rahul
 
[IR] Thank you, we could delete the para if people/other coauthors agr= ee. But in case that we want to specify the case on rebooting, would it the= following make sense?

"In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remembe= r the
= RPI Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so the node will no= t trigger DIO
= messages until a DIO message is received indicating the RPI = value to be used. The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports = this feature." 

[RJ] Yes this para is more clear for me. Thank= s.
Regarding the terminology: The = draft terms, the new option type as "RPI Option Type" (value 0x23) and the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is this correct?

[IR] we define RPI here as follows:

RPL Packet Inform=
ation (RPI): The abstract information that [RFC6550]=0A=
   places in IP packets.  The term is commonly used, including in this=0A=
   document, to refer to the RPL Option [RFC6553] that transports that 
   abs= tract information in an IPv6 Hob-by-Hop Header

Yes, with RPI Option Type we refer to the RPL Option described in 6553=  

[RJ] Great! Please also check the PR I raised on GitHub and use the ch= anges if it makes sense.
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We'll fix it and post new version Best, Ines. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 3:08 PM Rahul Jadhav wrote: > Thanks Ines. The updated text is more clear and in sync with other text in > the section. Please find my resp inline. > > Best, > Rahul > > > [IR] Thank you, we could delete the para if people/other coauthors agree. > But in case that we want to specify the case on rebooting, would it the > following make sense? > > "In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember the > RPI Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so the node will > not trigger DIO > messages until a DIO message is received indicating the RPI > value to be used. The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports > this feature." > > [RJ] Yes this para is more clear for me. Thanks. > > Regarding the terminology: The draft terms, the new option type as "RPI > Option Type" (value 0x23) and the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is > this correct? > > > [IR] we define RPI here as follows: > > RPL Packet Information (RPI): The abstract information that [RFC6550 ] > places in IP packets. The term is commonly used, including in this > document, to refer to the RPL Option [RFC6553 ] that transports that > > abstract information in an IPv6 Hob-by-Hop Header > > Yes, with RPI Option Type we refer to the RPL Option described in 6553 > > [RJ] Great! Please also check the PR I raised on GitHub and use the > changes if it makes sense. > > --000000000000284e4a05a0a8228b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you very much Rahul! We'll fix it and post new v= ersion

Best,

Ines.
<= br>
On Thu,= Mar 12, 2020 at 3:08 PM Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com> wrote:
Thanks Ines. The updated text is more clear and in sync with other text in = the section. Please find my resp inline.

Best,
Rahul
=C2=A0
[IR] Thank you, we could delete the para if people/other coauthors agr= ee. But in case that we want to specify the case on rebooting, would it the= following make sense?

"In the case of rebooting, the node (6LN or 6LR) does not remember= the
R= PI Option Type (i.e., whether or not the flag is set), so the node will not= trigger DIO
m= essages until a DIO message is received indicating the RPI
v= alue to be used. The node will use the value 0x23 if the network supports t= his feature."=C2=A0

[RJ] Yes this para is more clear for me. Thanks.
Regarding the terminology: The dra= ft terms,=C2=A0the new option type as "RPI Option Type" (value 0x23) and=C2=A0the old "RPL Option Type" (value 0x63). Is this correct?

[IR] we define RPI here as follows:

RPL Packet Information (RPI): The abstract info=
rmation that [RFC6550]
   places in IP packets.  The term is commonly used, including in this
   document, to refer to the RPL Option [RFC6553] that transports that=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0abst= ract information in an IPv6 Hob-by-Hop Header

Yes, with RPI Option Type we refer to the RPL Option described in 6553= =C2=A0

[RJ] Great! Please also check the PR I raised on GitHub and use the ch= anges if it makes sense.
--000000000000284e4a05a0a8228b-- From nobody Thu Mar 12 07:04:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F223A0946; Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:03:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.120.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <158402183516.18056.7601202546032236316@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 07:03:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:03:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Pascal, Regarding this statement, "Non-Storing Mode DAO messages are used to signal external routes to the Root, even if the DODAG is operated in Storing Mode." I couldn't find any text which provides reasoning to do so. Why non-storing= mode DAO is needed and why storing mode DAO won't work? There is this text= which says, "The Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging enables to advertise the 6= LR that serves the RUL and injects the route to the Root." This can be achi= eved even with storing mode DAO with the target as RUL address and transit = information containing parent address as anchor 6LR address. Trying to understand the reason because this mode of signaling has implicat= ions (already covered in the draft), particularly that, when the DAG is ope= rating in storing mode, the communication to RUL from other RANs would mand= atorily have to be routed through root only. If we use storing mode DAO the= n this could be optimized. Not sure if I am missing anything? Thanks, Rahul ________________________________ From: Roll on behalf of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <= pthubert=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: 12 March 2020 07:38 PM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Subject: [Roll] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-le= aves-10.txt Dear all As discussed with the IOT DIR, this draft is not the gating factor for all = cluster C310. In order to progress I made a full pass on it and fixed a few bugs and misa= lignments with useofrplinfo. I believe the doc is ripe for WGLC. Many thanks Pascal -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: jeudi 12 mars 2020 15:04 To: Michael Richardson ; Michael C. Richardson ; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt has been successfully submitted by Pascal Thubert and posted to the IETF re= pository. Name: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves Revision: 10 Title: Routing for RPL Leaves Document date: 2020-03-12 Group: roll Pages: 32 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-unawar= e-leaves-10.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-le= aves/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-= 10 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unawa= re-leaves Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-unaware= -leaves-10 Abstract: This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unicast and multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are plain Hosts and do not participate to RPL, and enables the RPL Root to proxy the EDAR/EDAC flow on behalf of the RULs and RANs in its DODAG. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ Roll mailing list Roll@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll --_000_BM1PR01MB402062FCAC1CD1E53AED21ADA9FD0BM1PR01MB4020INDP_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Pascal,

Regarding this statement,
"Non-Storing Mode DAO messages are used to signal external route= s to
   the Root, even if the DODAG is operated in Storin= g Mode."

I couldn't find any text which provides reasoning to do so. Why non-s= toring mode DAO is needed and why storing mode DAO won't work? There is thi= s text which says, "The Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging enables t= o advertise the 6LR that serves the RUL and injects the route to the Root." This can be achieved even= with storing mode DAO with the target as RUL address and transit informati= on containing parent address as anchor 6LR address.

Trying to understand the reason because this mode of signaling has im= plications (already covered in the draft), particularly that, when t= he DAG is operating in storing mode, the communication to RUL from other RA= Ns would mandatorily have to be routed through root only. If we use storing mode DAO then this could be op= timized. Not sure if I am missing anything?

Thanks,
Rahul

From: Roll <roll-bounces= @ietf.org> on behalf of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert=3D40cisco= .com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: 12 March 2020 07:38 PM
To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org><= br> Subject: [Roll] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-una= ware-leaves-10.txt
 
Dear all

As discussed with the IOT DIR, this draft is not the gating factor for all = cluster C310.
In order to progress I made a full pass on it and fixed a few bugs and misa= lignments with useofrplinfo.

I believe the doc is ripe for WGLC.

Many thanks

Pascal

-----Original Message-----
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org <internet-drafts@ietf.org>
Sent: jeudi 12 mars 2020 15:04
To: Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Michael C. Richar= dson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthub= ert@cisco.com>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt=


A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt
has been successfully submitted by Pascal Thubert and posted to the IETF re= pository.

Name:           draft-iet= f-roll-unaware-leaves
Revision:       10
Title:          Routing for RP= L Leaves
Document date:  2020-03-12
Group:          roll
Pages:          32
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt<= /a>
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10
Abstract:
   This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unic= ast and
   multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are pl= ain
   Hosts and do not participate to RPL, and enables the RPL Root = to
   proxy the EDAR/EDAC flow on behalf of the RULs and RANs in its= DODAG.

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this chat with Ines about the normal RPL routers in useofrplin= fo. As it is written their behavior does not seem specified though in fact = all RANs do what the RALs do. So my suggestion would be to change RAL for RAN everywhere to ensure we pro= vide the operation for all nodes. Makes sense? Pascal --_000_MN2PR11MB35654428A4B79010F8B08F05D8FD0MN2PR11MB3565namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all

 

I was having this chat with Ines about the normal RPL router= s in useofrplinfo. As it is written their behavior does not seem specified = though in fact all RANs do what the RALs do.

So my suggestion would be to change RAL for RAN everywhere t= o ensure we provide the operation for all nodes.

 

Makes sense?

 

Pascal

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Yes, looks like i have been violating the rfc in our internal implemen= tation to fulfill the use case. Regarding the use of non storing dao in storing mode for RUL nodes, I am no= w clear about the whole picture and appreciate the discussion. Thanks, Rahul ________________________________ From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:49:30 AM To: Rahul Jadhav ; Routing Over Low power and Lossy ne= tworks Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10= .txt Hello Rahul RFC 6550 says: =93 9.8. Storing Mode In Storing mode, RPL routes messages Downward by the IPv6 destination address. The following rules apply to nodes that are in Storing mode: 1. The DODAG Parent Address subfield of a Transmit Information option MUST be empty. =93 So even if it is a good idea it requires new specs to override RFC 6550. More below (using P2>) From: Rahul Jadhav Sent: jeudi 12 mars 2020 16:32 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Routing Over Low power = and Lossy networks Subject: Re: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10= .txt Please find below inline answers. Also, I did not get any objection from 6l= o so I added a IANA section that reduces the EARO status range to 0-63, whi= ch solves the issue you raised. [RJ] Yep, that indeed takes care of a major point ??. Please find my [RJ] r= esponses inline. Regarding this statement, "Non-Storing Mode DAO messages are used to signal external routes to the Root, even if the DODAG is operated in Storing Mode." I couldn't find any text which provides reasoning to do so. Why non-storing= mode DAO is needed and why storing mode DAO won't work? Pascal> We need the address of the 6LR to terminate the tunnel and remove t= he artifacts, and the NS signaling will give us that. This is how we remove= d the hassle of hop by hop link local tunnels that was in the old useofrpli= nfo. There is this text which says, "The Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging enables = to advertise the 6LR that serves the RUL and injects the route to the Root.= " This can be achieved even with storing mode DAO with the target as RUL ad= dress and transit information containing parent address as anchor 6LR addre= ss. Pascal > Which is not the normal storing mode signaling. [RJ] Yes, but 6550 does not stop us from doing it. Interestingly, I have a = use-case in my deployment wherein I need to send this parent address info e= ven in storing MOP. It helps the root get the complete network graph even i= n storing mode for visualization purposes (if the admin wants to check how = the network is formed, how many hops etc on the root in storing mode). P2> It does actually, see above It would be an hybrid. The cool thing with NS is that the external prefixes= are not visible inside the RPL domain. Legacy nodes do not have to know th= ey exist. Only the 6LR at the border that inject the external routes and th= e Root are aware and need to know about the new signaling. Using an hybrid = impacts every node. [RJ] The hybrid may not necessarily impact every node. An intermediate 6LR = may decide to ignore that external target in the DAO and that would still b= e ok. In this case, the signaling will work through next common ancestor wh= ich has to capability to hold/process that kind of info. P2> which is still an impact; new code to recognize the =91E=92 flag and de= cide to ignore the address. A legacy node would not do the right thing. Trying to understand the reason because this mode of signaling has implicat= ions (already covered in the draft), particularly that, when the DAG is ope= rating in storing mode, the communication to RUL from other RANs would mand= atorily have to be routed through root only. If we use storing mode DAO the= n this could be optimized. Not sure if I am missing anything? Pascal > Well, yes, we could have done that as well. The path could be opti= mized but * it would mean that the common parent has to encapsulate to the 6LR, whic= h is an additional function there * It would also mean that the network has ot be aware of external routes, w= hich may be too many for the SM tables. [RJ] I am just keen on doing this because it makes things flexible. Anchor = 6LR has both options of sending NS-DAO or storing DAO. Intermediate 6LRs al= so have both options, honor the external target info or ignore it and just = pass it on. P2> I=92m happy to discuss it and see if and how we open RPL in that direct= ion. But for short term we=92re shipping useofrplinfo and RUL with the low = hanging fruit. Pros and cons I guess. We went for the simple and backward compatible way. [RJ] Yes, Backward compatibility may be an issue because intermediate 6LRs = operating in pure storing mode will try to cache the external target and ma= y not be able to do IP-in-IP at their point. However, handling this compati= bility may not be a big challenge. The flexibility this provides is very co= mpelling to me. With DAO projection, we have already entered that zone wher= e the nodes could be hybrid in nature. PT2> with the capability work we=92ll be able to introduce this and more : = ) Take care, Pascal ________________________________ From: Roll > on behalf = of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > Sent: 12 March 2020 07:38 PM To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > Subject: [Roll] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-le= aves-10.txt Dear all As discussed with the IOT DIR, this draft is not the gating factor for all = cluster C310. In order to progress I made a full pass on it and fixed a few bugs and misa= lignments with useofrplinfo. I believe the doc is ripe for WGLC. Many thanks Pascal -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: jeudi 12 mars 2020 15:04 To: Michael Richardson = >; Michael C. 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���� Yes, looks like i have been violating= the rfc in our internal implementation to fulfill the use case.
Regarding the use of non storing dao in storing mode for R= UL nodes, I am now clear about the whole picture and appreciate the discuss= ion.

Thanks,
Rahul
From: Pascal Thubert (pthub= ert) <pthubert@cisco.com>
Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 12:49:30 AM
To: Rahul Jadhav <nyrahul@outlook.com>; Routing Over Low power= and Lossy networks <roll@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-le= aves-10.txt
 

Hello Rahul

 

RFC 6550 says:

 

=93

 

9.8.  Storing Mode

 

 

   In = Storing mode, RPL routes messages Downward by the IPv6 destination

   add= ress.  The following rules apply to nodes that are in Storing

   mod= e:

 

   1.&= nbsp; The DODAG Parent Address subfield of a Transmit Information

  &nbs= p;    option MUST be empty.

 

 

=93

 

So even if it is a good idea it requires new specs to over= ride RFC 6550.

 

More below (using P2>)

 

 

From: Rahul Jadha= v <nyrahul@outlook.com>
Sent: jeudi 12 mars 2020 16:= 32
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert= ) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks <= ;roll@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: New Version Not= ification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt

 

=  

 

 

Please find below inline answers. Also, I did not get any objection from 6= lo so I added a IANA section that reduces the EARO status range to 0-63, which solves the issue you raised.

 

[RJ] Yep, that indeed takes care of a major point 😊. Please find my [RJ] responses inline.

 

 

 

Regarding this statement,

"Non-Storing Mode DAO m= essages are used to signal external routes to
   the Root, even if the DODAG is operated in Storing Mode."=

 

I couldn't find any text whi= ch provides reasoning to do so. Why non-storing mode DAO is needed and why = storing mode DAO won't work?

 

Pascal> We need the address of the 6LR to terminate th= e tunnel and remove the artifacts, and the NS signaling will give us that. = This is how we removed the hassle of hop by hop link local tunnels that was in the old useofrplinfo.

 

There is this text which say= s, "The Non-Storing Mode DAO messaging enables to advertise the 6LR th= at serves the RUL and injects the route to the Root." This can be achieved even with storing mode DAO with the targe= t as RUL address and transit information containing parent address as ancho= r 6LR address.

 

Pascal > Which is not the normal storing mode signalin= g. 

 

[RJ] Yes, but 6550 does not stop us from doing it. Intere= stingly, I have a use-case in my deployment wherein I need to send this par= ent address info even in storing MOP. It helps the root get the complete network graph even in storing mode for vis= ualization purposes (if the admin wants to check how the network is formed,= how many hops etc on the root in storing mode).

 

P2> It does actually, see above

 

It would be an hybrid. The cool thing with NS is that the= external prefixes are not visible inside the RPL domain. Legacy nodes do n= ot have to know they exist. Only the 6LR at the border that inject the external routes and the Root are aware and n= eed to know about the new signaling. Using an hybrid impacts every node.

 

[RJ] The hybrid may not necessarily impact every node. An= intermediate 6LR may decide to ignore that external target in the DAO and = that would still be ok. In this case, the signaling will work through next common ancestor which has to capability t= o hold/process that kind of info. 

 

P2> which is still an impact; new code to recognize th= e =91E=92 flag and decide to ignore the address. A legacy node would not do= the right thing.

 

Trying to understand the rea= son because this mode of signaling has implications (already covered in the= draft), particularly that, when the DAG is operating in storing mode, the communication to RUL from other RANs would = mandatorily have to be routed through root only. If we use storing mode DAO= then this could be optimized. Not sure if I am missing anything?

 

Pascal > Well, yes, we could have done that as well. T= he path could be optimized but

*  it would mean that the common parent has to encap= sulate to the 6LR, which is an additional function there

* It would also mean that the network has ot be aware of = external routes, which may be too many for the SM tables.

 

[RJ] I am just keen on doing this because it makes things= flexible. Anchor 6LR has both options of sending NS-DAO or storing DAO. In= termediate 6LRs also have both options, honor the external target info or ignore it and just pass it on.

 

P2> I=92m happy to discuss it and see if and how we op= en RPL in that direction. But for short term we=92re shipping useofrplinfo = and RUL with the low hanging fruit.

 

Pros and cons I guess. We went for the simple and backwar= d compatible way.

 

[RJ] Yes, Backward compatibility may be an issue because = intermediate 6LRs operating in pure storing mode will try to cache the exte= rnal target and may not be able to do IP-in-IP at their point. However, handling this compatibility may not be a big chal= lenge. The flexibility this provides is very compelling to me. With DAO pro= jection, we have already entered that zone where the nodes could be hybrid = in nature.

 

PT2> with the capability work we=92ll be able to intro= duce this and more : )

 

 

Take care,

 

Pascal

From: Roll <= ;roll-bounces@ietf.o= rg> on behalf of Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert=3D40cisco..com@dmarc.ietf= .org>
Sent: 12 March 2020 07:38 PM=
To: Routing Over Low power a= nd Lossy networks <roll@i= etf.org>
Subject: [Roll] FW: New Vers= ion Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt

 

Dear all

As discussed with the IOT DIR, this draft is not the gating factor for all = cluster C310.
In order to progress I made a full pass on it and fixed a few bugs and misa= lignments with useofrplinfo.

I believe the doc is ripe for WGLC.

Many thanks

Pascal

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A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-10.txt
has been successfully submitted by Pascal Thubert and posted to the IETF re= pository.

Name:           draft-iet= f-roll-unaware-leaves
Revision:       10
Title:          Routing for RP= L Leaves
Document date:  2020-03-12
Group:          roll
Pages:          32
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Abstract:
   This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide unic= ast and
   multicast routing services in a RPL domain to 6LNs that are pl= ain
   Hosts and do not participate to RPL, and enables the RPL Root = to
   proxy the EDAR/EDAC flow on behalf of the RULs and RANs in its= DODAG.

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This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Authors : Maria Ines Robles Michael C. Richardson Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37.txt Pages : 60 Date : 2020-03-14 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPI Option Type), RFC6554 (Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required in data plane. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. This document updates RFC6553 adding a change to the RPI Option Type. Additionally, this document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configuration option to indicate about this change and updates [RFC8138] as well to consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompressed. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Comments welcome, The authors. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 11:57 AM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37.txt To: Pascal Thubert , Maria Ines Robles < mariainesrobles@gmail.com>, Michael C. Richardson A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37.txt has been successfully submitted by Maria Ines Robles and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo Revision: 37 Title: Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Document date: 2020-03-14 Group: roll Pages: 60 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPI Option Type), RFC6554 (Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required in data plane. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. This document updates RFC6553 adding a change to the RPI Option Type. Additionally, this document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configuration option to indicate about this change and updates [RFC8138] as well to consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompressed. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --00000000000070652305a0cda45f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

The new version of useofrplinfo comprises= :

-Figure 7 and respective cases:
-- Fix case SM: from root to RU= L: we added encapsulation to the 6LR parent of the RUL.
-- Fix case SM: = from RAL to Internet: we added a case where there is encapsulation to the r= oot.
-- Fix case SM: from RAL to RUL: we added encapsulation from the ro= ot to the 6LR parent of the RUL.

- We added two news assumptions:--- For traffic leaving a RUL, if the RUL adds an opaque RPI then the desc= ription of the RAL applies.
--- The description for RALs applies to RAN = in general.

- Fixed some nits: Thank you very much Dominique and Rah= ul for your corrections.

Comments welcome,

The authors.
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To: Pascal Thubert <pthubert@cisco.com>, Maria Ines Robles &l= t;mariainesrobles@gmail.com>, Michael C. Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>



A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-37.txt
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-P= ower
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing.=C2=A0 The do= cument
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPI Option Type), RFC6554<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulat= ion is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0required in data plane.=C2=A0 This analysis provides the basis= on which to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0design efficient compression of these headers.=C2=A0 This docu= ment updates
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC6553 adding a change to the RPI Option Type.=C2=A0 Addition= ally, this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configurat= ion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0option to indicate about this change and updates [RFC8138] as = well to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompress= ed.




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--00000000000070652305a0cda45f-- From nobody Mon Mar 16 11:44:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F7303A0F17 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:43:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PVdJZ_1ys0GE for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B0003A0EF6 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312853897C; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32F9054E; Mon, 16 Mar 2020 14:43:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , roll@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <3A00F2FF-C119-496C-BC53-87DBD6C375B4@cisco.com> References: <158410288420.3321.7400803802055697408@ietfa.amsl.com>, <23773.1584304056@localhost> <3A00F2FF-C119-496C-BC53-87DBD6C375B4@cisco.com> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-11.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 18:44:07 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Following up publically, as an author re-read from the beginning. Pascal has carried this document very far since it was started last summer, and I've been rather out of the loop due to other commitments. My intense thanks to Pascal for this. My changes are at: https://github.com/roll-wg/roll-unaware-leaves/pull/1 Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Actually Michael it would be real great if you could reread unaware > leaves. I asked the chairs to make the last call. I believe it=E2=80= =99s ready > now and as you know it blocks cluster c310. Yeah, I know. I wish we had used markdown :-) 1) I notice the Abstract is a single complex sentence. I think we should split it up somehow. I will think on this after reading it all through. 2) I have a bunch of typos/missing words that I'll commit directly to githu= b. 3) Should we say: A RUL is a plain Host that needs a RPL-Aware Router to obtain routing services over the RPL network. that is, insert RFC8504 here? Or should we actually say RFC8504/RFC8505, because we depend upon EARO? I'd like to get Carsten to review this actually, as we are really updating what it means to be a "Host" on a constrained network. How can we split this up into three sentences: This specification leverages the Address Registration mechanism defined in 6LoWPAN ND to enable a RUL as a 6LoWPAN Node (6LN) to interface with a RPL-Aware Router as a 6LoWPAN Router (6LR) to request that the 6LR injects the relevant routing information for the Registered Address in the RPL domain on its behalf. I think that this paragraph (3.2.1) should get turned into part of the abst= ract: This document specifies how the "R" flag is used in the context of RPL. A 6LN is a RUL that requires reachability services for an IPv6 address iff it sets the "R" flag in the EARO used to register the address to a RPL router. Conversely, this document specifies the behavior of a RPL Router acting as 6LR depending on the setting of the "R" flag in the EARO. The RPL Router generates a DAO message for the Registered Address upon an NS(EARO) iff the "R" flag is set. I wonder if the word "Conversely," is needed. Maybe: A 6LN is a RUL that requires reachability services for an IPv6 address. It sets the "R" flag in the EARO in order to register the address to a RPL router. This is described in RFC8505. This document specifies the behavior of a RPL Router that processes EARO messages that have the the "R" flag set in the EARO. Not sure if this is abstract content, but I like the above. You really like the word "Conversely" :-) I am concerned that there is so much repeating of 8505, that this will confuse some reviewers. I guess we do Update 8505, but maybe we should hit them a bit harder on the head that they need to understand it first. section 4: I keep wondering if we haven't created a new Storing-Mode MOP he= re, that should get a new MOP value (or mopex) value. But, I see that 6.3.1. contains the compromise text we worked out a= t IETF106. let me think: a storing root that does not set the P bit (because it does n= ot support this functionality) will cause 6LR that support this to not support RUL processing, and not support RULs. Should such 6LRs also essentially not do RAs in that context? Does this also enable RFC8505/EARO processing? I find section 4 really dense, and I wonder if it wouldn't be better to move sections 4 and 5 later in the document, so that we are referring back. I'm not sure here. section 6.1: In order to obtain routing services from a 6LR, a RUL MUST implement [RFC8505] and set the "R" flag in the EARO option. The RUL MUST NOT request routing services from a 6LR unless the 6LR originates RA messages with a CIO that has the L, P and E flags are all set as discussed in Section 3.3.1. =2D> I think that rather than have MUST NOT, which I think does not lead to good interop failure results, I suggest we write: A RUL that receives a CIO from a potential (6LR) router that has the L, = P and E flags set, SHOULD set the "R" flag in the EARO in order to request routi= ng services from that 6LR. A RUL that has multiple potential routers SHOULD prefer the router that can provide the desired routing services. If there are no available routers, the connection of the RUL fails. (XXX- Can the RUL use the EARO process in the absence of L/P/E to signal the error? I think that deployment of 8505 without this document is a very small window, so this won't work in general) ... The RUL MUST register to all the 6LRs from which it requests routing services. section 6.2: A 6LR that is upgraded to act as a border router for external routes advertises them using Non-Storing Mode DAO messages that are unicast directly to the Root, even if the DODAG is operated in Storing Mode. yes, but it should only request them from routers which support R, right? The RPL data packets always carry a Hop-by-Hop Header to transport a RPL Packet Information (RPI) [RFC6550]. So unless the RUL originates its packets with an RPI, the 6LR needs to tunnel them to the Root to add the RPI. As a rule of a thumb and except {FOR} the very special case above, the packets from and to a RUL are always encapsulated using an IP-in-IP tunnel between the Root and the 6LR that serves the RUL. I think that this should reference [UseOfRPLinfo] section 7.1.4, section 7.2.3, 7.2.4, 7.3.3, 7.3.4, 8.1.3, 8.1.4, 8.2.3, 8.2.4, 8.3.3 and 8.3.4. section 9.1: In a same fashion, if an additional routing protocol is deployed on a same network, that additional routing protocol may need to handle the keep alive procedure for the addresses that it serves. I believe that this might scare our routing colleagues into thinking that we intend to deploy things in parallel on LLNs. Do we need to say this at all? (I understand that you are just expressing an outward requirement on anyone that wants to do this. Maybe we can put this in a section of it's own so that someone can point to it in the future? Quite reasonable, someone cou= ld attach a non-constrained wired network on the edge of an LLN, and run OSPFv3 or something there. But there would be no overlap with the LLN) section 9.1.1, I think that the column that says "6LN" should say "RUL" ins= tead. Yes, 6LN is not wrong, but I think it's not helpful. Do we need to say something about LLNs which do not have a 6LBR? Or is this degenerate case self-evident? section 9.2.1: "By the 6LN" -> "By the RPL unaware 6LN"? * The 6LN can register to more than one 6LR at the same time. In that case, it MUST use the same value of TID for all of the parallel Address Registrations. I'd like to motivate this statement, I think it should reference RFC8505 section 5.2. Just so that no part of this process is "new" > Even without support for RPL, a RUL may be aware of opaque values to be > provided to the routing protocol. If the RUL has a knowledge of the RPL I just looked to see if we return RPLInstanceID in CoJP, and we don't :-( Someone could write a document in RPL to add that. > A RUL that places an > RPI in a data packet MUST indicate the RPLInstanceID that corresponds > to the RPL Instance the packet should be injected into. All the > flags and the Rank field are set to zero as specified by section 11.2 > of [RFC6550]. It has never been clear to me how much security isolation RPLInstanceID should have. Is it as strong as 802.1Q VLAN tags? Or is much softer, just= a bit more interesting than IPv6 Flow? If it's intended to be as strong as VLAN tags, then there is an admission control control that the 6LR must do. > Extended Duplicate Address > messages with the 6LBR is avoided if the RPL Root has indicated that > it proxies for it. I'm misplaced how the RPL root has indicated this. Is it in the DAO-ACK? 9.2.2: > * RPL Non-Storing Mode is used, and the 6LR indicates one of its > global or unique-local IPv6 unicast addresses as the Parent > Address in the associated RPL Transit Information Option (TIO). I think that this is an instruction that RPL Non-Storing mode is TO BE used, (not a conditional sentence). I suggest we number these points so that implementers can argue about them better, and make them all more declarativ= e. There is a commented out sentence in the XML, which I think we can remove. I understand the use of "iff" throughout, but I'm not sure others will noti= ce it as other than a typo of "if". I turned the next paragraph into a number= ed point, but maybe the trailing ';' now does not work. I'm not sure that the reverse direction provides anything useful. Opinions? Should the rest of the If/In case be changed to a section on 6LR processing of DAO-ACK, and a section on processing of DCO? Right now processing is described by each role. I'm for that, but I think we should split it up as well by message. Is section 12 RFC6550 multicast actually implemented by anyone? Given MPL, I didn't think you needed both, but maybe I don't understand mul= ticast. Section 12 RFC6550 would have been something I would have removed for 6550bis, so I wonder if we should be doing anything with it. section 12.3, I think that instead of reducing the size of the Flags field,= I suggest that we say that we are allocating 4 bits of the Flag field as the ROVRsize. (I found it really confusing to figure out btw) =2D--- I wish I had time to implement this in unstrung and the Linux kernel. :-( I need to clone myself. =2D- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -=3D IPv6 IoT consulting =3D- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl5vyN4ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXdCwgAnO7ZAG/hEnW9hWJjv0UGL596s4iyIb2nWB7YgDlUS9jn3CizMZ+wxjiI /UDcKfGuMX0yYDh+pOq0DJ4BqkkP3hLh7kKrUMeWm5aafnyGC/mnJtidfvEeIB4a L2IaMw3dXfhF8FmJNfQLDiziCRyiQ/4PK5IFAPQ0rVsRM+eMXcBcJsRtWB+3vKi8 9ktv+WI76cBNf1Dwus394v3RwrFmu27Wu72dkh1jj5vKpCoWGlQww3tJzsoIsJAH hS5xyES7PtdfA5ESgvRAI+TuwmYMlpPNPYOYSRySoZTjIWza2wfrfyANSG3cwbcj XUZb0v49+DVylz+gWfAWx2jn/pdQfQ== =2l9o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Tue Mar 17 03:29:40 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C933E3A1C60; Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:29:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <158444097474.32241.13383665907057801048@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 03:29:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-12.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 10:29:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Routing for RPL Leaves Authors : Pascal Thubert Michael C. Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-12.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide routing services to Hosts called RPL Unaware Leaves that implement 6LoWPAN ND but do not participate to RPL. This specification also enables the RPL Root to proxy the 6LoWPAN keep-alive flows in its DODAG. 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This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Routing for RPL Leaves Authors : Pascal Thubert Michael C. Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2020-03-17 Abstract: This specification extends RFC6550 and RFC8505 to provide routing services to Hosts called RPL Unaware Leaves that implement 6LoWPAN ND but do not participate to RPL. This specification also enables the RPL Root to proxy the 6LoWPAN keep-alive flows in its DODAG. 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Dear all,

A Working Group Last Call (WG= LC) starts today (03/18) until 04/01 for the draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves= -13.
The draft is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/dra= ft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves/
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Thank you very much in advance,

Ines and Dominique<= br>
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Dear all,

Please find attached the = doodle for the virtual ROLL IETF 107 meeting.=C2=A0

https://doodle.com/p= oll/v8f993xh4gp4wrig

Please fill the doodl= e by 24th March.

The Agenda covers the required to= pics to be presented at IETF 107. Please let us know if you have additional= topics to present/discuss.=C2=A0

We are open to s= chedule in another=C2=A0date/time if it is needed.

Thank you very much,

Ines and Dominique.




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Dear all,

This is the list of the r= equested topics to discuss in the ROLL IETF 107 Virtual Meeting
<= br>- Introduction (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 mi= nutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 =C2=A0(15 min)
- NPDAO and u= naware-leaves (5 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 =C2=A0(10 m= in)
- draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 =C2=A0(10 min)
- = draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes)
- updates on AP-ND and 6B= BR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes).

Total requested: 85 minutes.<= br>

Please let us know if you need to present=C2= =A0additional topic.
Dear presenters, please let us know=C2=A0if = you need more time.

We will send a detailed agenda= later.

Thank you,

Ines, = Dominique and Michael.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:50 AM Ines Robles = <mariainesrobles@googl= email.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Please find at= tached the doodle for the virtual ROLL IETF 107 meeting.=C2=A0

Please fill the doodle by 24th March.

The = Agenda covers the required topics to be presented at IETF 107. Please let u= s know if you have additional topics to present/discuss.=C2=A0
We are open to schedule in another=C2=A0date/time if it is nee= ded.

Thank you very much,

Ines and Dominique.




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Dear all,

The following documents n= eed a=C2=A0Document Sh= epherd:=C2=A0

-draft-ietf-roll-unaware-= leaves-13=C2= =A0
-draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04= =C2=A0

Please indicate if you volunteer to = be the Shepherd of one of these documents by 2th April.

Thank you very much in advance,

Ines and Dominique.
--0000000000000bf1f505a136693e-- From nobody Thu Mar 19 10:15:47 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C6C33A09F0 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 10:15:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pycNwAWSKfND for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DD283A09E5 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 10:15:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E3813818F for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F14ABD8 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 13:15:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 25.1.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] ROLL IETF 107 Virtual Meeting X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:15:46 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Hi, I would like to talk about draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority, which I am just reposting. I'm not sure that it needs much in the way of meeting time. The document feels complete to me, but, based upon review comments for 6tisch-enhanced-beacon, there might need to be more explanation about how this is to be used. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAl5zqLIACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXw1wgAgumNybMP+6/OyQpz8iqpVuTOpdwmLghhzIPJ0uW21X15auUiaRsoaYIZ qV40djfUTdMoQNJOt2+sQ/4z90PVsh73wBIB6jdIgSI+oxpmfScJgINbuSewH+OL bUpyVqItuilyaMT/N1RLJBJUo+bLSHoqG9bfs3/ws4Tztb01t1eu3D8dasNM8WNV MLVnWHbwhVmc6EtFmu70xcxV3jal7J23bFfkX/68816gIG+Eq7Qunk/vQ2LPxTiW /3TRfH6vn/zYaHj3gbHB4L4yIapUlyQGgq9nWZgTD51s55oSJ5Q5H/gvNT78nxCM 7iFeooaO6m+aIuLWc18BUNwX2/v+Aw== =hyn1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Mar 19 12:23:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA44D3A0DE9; Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:23:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.121.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <158464580863.15671.9850376568300173504@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 12:23:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 19:23:36 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Enabling secure network enrollment in RPL networks Author : Michael Richardson Filename : draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2020-03-19 Abstract: [I-D.ietf-6tisch-enrollment-enhanced-beacon] defines a method by which a potential [I-D.ietf-6tisch-minimal-security] join proxy can announce itself as a available for new Pledges to Join a network. The announcement includes a priority for join. This document provides a mechanism by which a RPL DODAG root can disable join announcements, or adjust the base priority for join operation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Papadopoulos" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Rahul Jadhav Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000290ce305a164834f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Remaining issues on draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:59:16 -0000 --000000000000290ce305a164834f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Aris, On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:24 PM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis wrote: > Two small issues remain: > > a) Compression of the PS IPv6 addresses. > Rahul brought this up in his review, we mentioned that this was proposed > before, implemented and then re-removed because of the plan to have a draft > that performs compression on all RPL control traffic packets (following > Pascal's and Dominique's advice). > *Question: is there any chance this has changed and we might want to > perform compression on the PS field specifically after all?* > I think the compression can take place in a separate draft. > > b) Change of the context of the PS NSA object from a constraint to a > metric. > Following Dominique's suggestion we changed it from a constraint to a > recorded (R=1), partial (P=1) metric (C=0). > The issue is that we are extending MRHOF and MRHOF supports the use of a > single metric for computing the rank. > It is true that the PS NSA object is not used for rank calculation, and we > have clarified this. > However, there might be still a conflict or a point to be clarified. > See in MRHOF Section 2 Terminology > : > "Selected metric: The metric chosen for path selection by the network > operator. MRHOF supports using a single metric for path selection." > Maybe you could add this to the section 4 and explain how the extending MRHOF address this point. > > VS our draft Section 5.1 "Usage" > > : > "It is important that the PS does not affect the calculation of the rank > through candidate neighbors. It is only used with the CA OF to remove > nodes which do not fulfill the CA OF criteria from the candidate neighbor > list." > *Question: Is this sufficient in terms of explanation?* > Section 5 is clear to me. Thank you, Ines. > > > We would really appreciate answers on these, if possible of course, before > the ROLL meeting so that we can update/finalize the drafts. > > Kind regards, > Aris & Georgios > > > --000000000000290ce305a164834f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Aris,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:24 PM R= emous-Aris Koutsiamanis <aris@arisko= u.com> wrote:
Two small issues remain:

a) Compression of the PS IPv6 addresses.
Rahul brought this= up in his review, we mentioned that this was proposed before, implemented = and then re-removed because of the plan to have a draft that performs compr= ession on all RPL control traffic packets (following Pascal's and Domin= ique's advice).
Question: is there any chance this has cha= nged and we might want to perform compression on the PS field specifically = after all?

I think the comp= ression can take place in a separate=C2=A0draft.=C2=A0=C2=A0

b) Change of the context of the PS NSA object from a constraint to a met= ric.
Following=C2=A0 Dominique's suggestion we changed it fro= m a constraint to a recorded (R=3D1), partial (P=3D1) metric (C=3D0).
=
The issue is that we are extending MRHOF and MRHOF supports the use of= a single metric for computing the rank.
It is true that the PS N= SA object is not used for rank calculation, and we have clarified this.
However, there might be still a conflict or a point to be clarified.=
"= ;Selected metric: =C2=A0The metric chosen for path selection by the network= operator.=C2=A0 MRHOF supports using a single metric for path selection.&q= uot;
=C2=A0
Maybe you could add this= to the section 4 and explain how the extending MRHOF address this point.= =C2=A0

"It is important that the PS does n= ot affect the calculation of the rank through candidate neighbors.=C2=A0 It= is only used with the CA OF to remove nodes which do not fulfill the CA OF= criteria from the candidate neighbor list."
Question: Is= this sufficient in terms of explanation?
=
Section 5 is clear to me.=C2=A0

Thank you,

Ines.


= We would really appreciate answers on these, if possible of course, before = the ROLL meeting so that we can update/finalize the drafts.

<= /div>
Kind regards,
Aris & Georgios


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Dear all,

This is = a kindly reminder to fill the doodle by 24th March for the ROLL IETF 107 vi= rtual meeting.


So far, these are the topics to be addressed during the me= eting

- Introduction (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-= roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 =C2= =A0(15 min)
- NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-rpl= -observations-03 =C2=A0(10 min)
- draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-c= ases-00 =C2=A0(10 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes)<= br>- updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes).
- dra= ft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes)

Time requested: 95 = minutes

Thank you very much,

Ines and Dominique

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:50 AM Ines Roble= s <mariainesrobles@goo= glemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Please find at= tached the doodle for the virtual ROLL IETF 107 meeting.=C2=A0

Please fill the doodle by 24th March.

The = Agenda covers the required topics to be presented at IETF 107. Please let u= s know if you have additional topics to present/discuss.=C2=A0
We are open to schedule in another=C2=A0date/time if it is nee= ded.

Thank you very much,

Ines and Dominique.




--000000000000a61bcc05a1834cc4-- From nobody Mon Mar 23 06:41:45 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25AFD3A0893 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:41:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ek23qlLCCMON for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vs1-xe31.google.com (mail-vs1-xe31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB67A3A0745 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:41:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vs1-xe31.google.com with SMTP id s10so318549vsi.9 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:41:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=odjeya/yDWkRkjhKSVV+uVJFNAW0kQZ7ub2BPytI0ww=; b=dJpfzlWprUXN18bStOD4s3oK5ig1RzgvG3g6m3/eWC+hDhddB8sag2lMwtD5LaVK3Q UoILxe2FWxd5UDcn+ZOyeOfzG9sJ1WwMnv0WYYscilQJ9NP+o+RvaxNorKMZCrN7uusw 3+SrDo+FIZ+cq2zkAyYX6tBUdMuJHFc8SCWxBoxvGCqpWlIm9D3OhbNoEOJeB6KasBb9 Tl+cGzrfBiNKcNdKwe0palYvAYVc7uv8U8uBvC2IvQ7JaZ/MbTSo65PAsByZ7YDL6LZa IFhgjSG1ERuy7COmLFFnICLtT732m1TRoYQeiJFYoNv75EXqjvOaCTkGY6ECEj8cecWN K9pw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=odjeya/yDWkRkjhKSVV+uVJFNAW0kQZ7ub2BPytI0ww=; b=Vgkq754TYjQae4LVyLdlXuVlfEpS/IYlxsHsfSsoYOh7X5HRKk6/rZ+0QkUw4JhkOY j4SbKrQltobEJu+fYye00+80M7RfltIacI39nFKWjl26k1RNsLzkz+gk9z4JrSGJhYHL 2J00cmSSd+0jV4P9gEEinGGERcVrk4yTpYAh3cIx2y0SgipKR66mEdGMkOL62NiVFYvs /C5BVoS/TLcleP/cKB3YMVz0MyscFg6UrVeBmu2kXRtksl+2S9bNSoHPj+UyzMw3YeTr mNnGlqIfzhXiKKyInGo61n4H7Z9JJ4fLd2H1q06b1mw3v2Xsv0IhjYyfJxzM5Bk0oNLX kIUg== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ0wGGWa2D/FuwLBLL9Cn6SryRjwzcSJFfRxC+Lx5iSnGhtnVc+3 en+9VNGGFheANnhFgdnS1mqh1tObG0ah6hcFFhsXNh0c X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtsyRCO89AJ5aQQNjKYB8eOGBt/8EWq82UAS3gi23SZ3oUx9r383S9RAwdVbnzOUksIraWlRoze3f7tfM/vJSk= X-Received: by 2002:a67:7c4:: with SMTP id 187mr16101150vsh.216.1584970885524; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 06:41:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ines Robles Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:40:49 +0200 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009c6fff05a185ca7e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] WGLC on draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:41:43 -0000 --0000000000009c6fff05a185ca7e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, I support this document as participant. Thank you, Ines. On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:16 AM Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > This is a Working Group Last call for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04 > > Please send your comments by 5th March 2020 > > Thank you very much in advance, > > Ines and Dominique. > --0000000000009c6fff05a185ca7e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

I support this= document as participant.

Thank you,
Ines.

On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 11:16 AM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.= com> wrote:
Dear all,

This is a Working Group La= st call for=C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04

Please send your comments by 5th March 2020

Thank= you very much in advance,

Ines and Dominique.
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Thank you, Ines. On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:42 AM Georgios Z. Papadopoulos < georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr> wrote: > Dear all, > > I have read this draft before the split and indeed, I find them much more > clear as separated. > > +1 for adoption, > Giorgos > > > On Mar 12, 2020, at 02:36, Rahul Jadhav wrote: > > Hello All, > > Kindly note that this draft resulted because of the split up between > capabilities and MOPex. > Earlier the WG had adopted the combined idea of caps and MOPex. However, > we decided to split up because of no dependency between the two and because > MOPex can be handled much faster than capabilities (due to low complexity). > > This draft does not have any design/rationale change, wrt MOPex handling, > after the split. > > Thanks, > Rahul > ------------------------------ > *From:* Roll on behalf of Ines Robles < > mariainesrobles=40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org> > *Sent:* 11 March 2020 09:51 PM > *To:* roll > *Cc:* Michael Richardson > *Subject:* [Roll] WG call for adoption for draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02 > > Dear all, > > This is a WG call for adoption of draft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02. > > Please send your comments by 25th March 2020. > > We kindly reminder also that we have an ongoing WGLC > for draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04, please states your comments on it. > > Thank you very much, > > Ines, Dominique and Michael. > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --000000000000fb6b1505a185e9a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

As participant, I support the adopt= ion of this document and the split=C2=A0done.

Than= k you,

Ines.

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 10:42 AM= Georgios Z. Papadopoulos <georgios.papadopoulos@imt-atlantique.fr> wrote:
Dear all,

I have read thi= s draft before the split and indeed, I find them much more clear as separat= ed.=C2=A0

+1 for adoption,
Giorgos
=


On Mar 12, 2020, at 02:36, Rahul Ja= dhav <nyrahul@o= utlook.com> wrote:

Hello All,
=

Kindly note that this draft= resulted because of the split up between capabilities and MOPex.
Earlier the WG had adopted the combined idea of caps and MOP= ex.=C2=A0However, we decided to split up because of no dependency between the = two and because MOPex can be handled much faster than capabilities (due to = low complexity).


Than= ks,
Rahul
<= font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" style=3D"font-size:11pt">From:=C2=A0Roll <roll-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ines Robles <mariainesrobles=3D40googlemail.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent:<= /b>=C2=A011 March 2020 09:51 PM
To:=C2=A0roll <roll@ietf.org= >
Cc:=C2=A0Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca&g= t;
Subject:=C2=A0[Roll] WG call for adoption for dra= ft-jadhav-roll-mopex-02
=C2=A0
Dear = all,

This is a WG call for adoption of=C2=A0draft-jadhav= -roll-mopex-02.

Please send your comments by 25th = March 2020.

We kindly reminder also that we have a= n ongoing WGLC for=C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-04, please states yo= ur comments on it.

Thank you very much,
=
Ines, Dominique and Michael.
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--000000000000fb6b1505a185e9a3-- From nobody Mon Mar 23 09:41:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietf.org Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D093A0C04; Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:41:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: roll@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.122.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: roll@ietf.org Message-ID: <158498166746.6801.17608436055306603152@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 09:41:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 16:41:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Authors : Maria Ines Robles Michael C. Richardson Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt Pages : 63 Date : 2020-03-23 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPI Option Type), RFC6554 (Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required in data plane. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. This document updates RFC6553 adding a change to the RPI Option Type. Additionally, this document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configuration option to indicate about this change and updates [RFC8138] as well to consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompressed. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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SM: Example of Flow from Root to RUL, a case with no encapsulation (Figure 11) - We add more clarification to the tables, e.g. in the Modified headers row, we changed IP-IP(RPI) to RPI - this indicates that only the RPI is modified and not the IP-IP. - Adding text to explain the modifications. - We eliminate the Hop-by-Hop re-encapuslation definition and following mention in the text, because it is not used. Diff: https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt Comments welcome, Thank you, The authors. ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Date: Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:41 PM Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt To: Michael C. Richardson , Pascal Thubert < pthubert@cisco.com>, Maria Ines Robles A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt has been successfully submitted by Maria Ines Robles and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo Revision: 38 Title: Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Document date: 2020-03-23 Group: roll Pages: 63 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38 Abstract: This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-Power and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing. The document enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPI Option Type), RFC6554 (Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation is required in data plane. This analysis provides the basis on which to design efficient compression of these headers. This document updates RFC6553 adding a change to the RPI Option Type. Additionally, this document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configuration option to indicate about this change and updates [RFC8138] as well to consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompressed. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --000000000000bdeb5305a188777f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

We have updated the document:=

-=C2=A0 We add in Section 7.1.3. SM: Example of F= low from Root to RUL, a case with no encapsulation (Figure 11)
- = We add more clarification to the tables, e.g. in the Modified headers row, = we changed IP-IP(RPI) to RPI - this indicates that only the RPI is modified= and not the IP-IP.=C2=A0
- Adding text to explain the modificati= ons.
- We eliminate the Hop-by-Hop re-encapuslation definition an= d following=C2=A0mention in the text, because it is not used.=C2=A0


Comments welcome,

Thank you,

The authors.=C2=A0

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From: <internet-dra= fts@ietf.org>
Date: Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 6:41 PM
Subjec= t: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt
To: = Michael C. Richardson <mcr+ie= tf@sandelman.ca>, Pascal Thubert <pthubert@cisco.com>, Maria Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@gmail.com>

<= br>
A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38.txt
has been successfully submitted by Maria Ines Robles and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo<= br> Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A038
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Using RPI Option Type, Routing Hea= der for Source Routes and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane<= br> Document date:=C2=A0 2020-03-23
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 roll
Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 63
URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-roll-useo= frplinfo-38.txt
Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo/
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https= ://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-38
Htmlized:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-useofrplin= fo-38

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document looks at different data flows through LLN (Low-P= ower
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Lossy Networks) where RPL (IPv6 Routing Protocol for Low-P= ower
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and Lossy Networks) is used to establish routing.=C2=A0 The do= cument
=C2=A0 =C2=A0enumerates the cases where RFC6553 (RPI Option Type), RFC6554<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0(Routing Header for Source Routes) and IPv6-in-IPv6 encapsulat= ion is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0required in data plane.=C2=A0 This analysis provides the basis= on which to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0design efficient compression of these headers.=C2=A0 This docu= ment updates
=C2=A0 =C2=A0RFC6553 adding a change to the RPI Option Type.=C2=A0 Addition= ally, this
=C2=A0 =C2=A0document updates RFC6550 defining a flag in the DIO Configurat= ion
=C2=A0 =C2=A0option to indicate about this change and updates [RFC8138] as = well to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0consider the new Option Type when the RPL Option is decompress= ed.




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Subject: [Roll] I-D Action: draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-05.txt X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:54:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Configuration option for RFC 8138 Authors : Pascal Thubert Li Zhao Filename : draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-05.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2020-03-24 Abstract: This document complements RFC 8138 and dedicates a bit in the RPL configuration option defined in RFC 6550 to indicate whether RFC 8138 compression is used within the RPL Instance. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-turnon-rfc8138-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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aretana.ietf@gmail.com, mariainesrobles@googlemail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.123.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <158514728772.31242.6267335413168494602@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:41:27 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] roll - New Interim Meeting Request X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:41:29 -0000 A new interim meeting request has just been submitted by Ines Robles. This request requires approval by the Area Director of the Routing Area The meeting can be approved here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim/request/interim-2020-roll-01 --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Ines Robles Meeting Type: Virtual Meeting Session 1: Date: 2020-04-29 Start Time: 11:00 UTC Duration: 02:00 Remote Participation Information: Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval Agenda Note: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Mar 25 07:54:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 055ED3A08FF for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2m43QLxLSZkl for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua1-x934.google.com (mail-ua1-x934.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::934]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23D2F3A07B6 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua1-x934.google.com with SMTP id y17so815353uap.13 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:54:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NdzeJS6VEyIBKthdnOL6zDpSiFAxOD/c0ebHvGegNA8=; b=e8GgVBnn6HwCSE6uKLpleCHR2jmfm0J/7L7TwHKUgoLe5nH6TKUQjn25+e65wqyxHy N9OEnjHUkWoFthojK/LQBfEk6goKUIisDz8XC0oe3DEhneEJV2clk/e4ALL3VPhCJNiV wJAuR0xqR5j0BL6PtcwkBYOG6f7x6FN6+/P71WNY/XTebECpFhSiqUscU/NxUNYoF6H0 envAK4iJna7pxFjk6MxKOh367/ZmWZm+osB4j3MrzQh/lHz4WrQ21caV4HES7SsXOeuj 6XDCdnXPRFw3guYLvjE2STU+czX0WrrLE9UMJ1wjwrS9SChw1vJxptFCDcPoyoWo5lHC FU4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NdzeJS6VEyIBKthdnOL6zDpSiFAxOD/c0ebHvGegNA8=; b=h5AWcqyGoxmVnekkmGQQOmqwbpuXtb20quisSs4MuwSLDE4SCdi/zpg7XoQ/xNP8zY QHt3hg1Pxksvnmjpa7jDfPoupCT/1xBmPSAX/C59YH49DQS2sp0MFu7tuJ9qtDk9yLat zdk+rXI5ie60am0ug+39VSlbRRL8AZNqC9fbGgAerCuNkUkvFS4QfNMaFoLLQpuOOzqv 61+Dg/EnqssqF6yBP5rxbSQ5RqgDzUkbVVBbGQhVhcHozyT0Ot27hWKjPOxIwWbrIKJc EUQmW/vzsS16YYoZujaBBv8/3yfapCdZSQXP99k4Uv9q9+v6NBLG2++yiOEcAo+s8FH0 xjXQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANhLgQ3M1kJUwTQLnk0ykxq3k8s1DT8YrqHyhMaJQTvfT25oFCIfcc2R NdrnEwKNbHcMJxZt9AaOXbxSm2QpjUWZW8ET+3BvQ8dwXhg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vtjux+zEP0uKzIa15cXlpnIwtKykGSWX+kzXSEOXj9G/idMYxUY8yb3NaheZhe5VOd26Umu+PBZB5dymQkcFsU= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:1f2:: with SMTP id 105mr2669409ual.107.1585148047423; Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:54:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Ines Robles Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:53:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000487f1605a1af0a9c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] ROLL IETF 107 Virtual Meeting X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:54:14 -0000 --000000000000487f1605a1af0a9c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, Thank you very much for filling the doodle. An approval request was sent to the IESG for 29th April (11:00 am UTC). We will keep you posted. Best regards, Ines and Dominique. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020 at 12:42 PM Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > This is a kindly reminder to fill the doodle by 24th March for the ROLL > IETF 107 virtual meeting. > > https://doodle.com/poll/v8f993xh4gp4wrig > > So far, these are the topics to be addressed during the meeting > > - Introduction (10 minutes) > - draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes) > - draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 (15 min) > - NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min) > - draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 (10 min) > - draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 (10 min) > - draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes) > - updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes). > - draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes) > > Time requested: 95 minutes > > Thank you very much, > > Ines and Dominique > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:50 AM Ines Robles < > mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> >> Please find attached the doodle for the virtual ROLL IETF 107 meeting. >> >> https://doodle.com/poll/v8f993xh4gp4wrig >> >> Please fill the doodle by 24th March. >> >> The Agenda covers the required topics to be presented at IETF 107. Please >> let us know if you have additional topics to present/discuss. >> >> We are open to schedule in another date/time if it is needed. >> >> Thank you very much, >> >> Ines and Dominique. >> >> >> >> >> --000000000000487f1605a1af0a9c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

<= /div>
Thank you very much for filling the doodle.

<= div>An approval request was sent to the IESG for 29th April (11:00 am UTC).= We will keep you posted.

Best regards,
<= div>
Ines and Dominique.


On Mon, Mar 23, 2020= at 12:42 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear a= ll,

This is a kindly reminder to fill the doodle by = 24th March for the ROLL IETF 107 virtual meeting.


So fa= r, these are the topics to be addressed during the meeting

- Introduction (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 = (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 =C2=A0(15 min)
- NPDAO= and unaware-leaves (5 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 =C2= =A0(10 min)
- draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 =C2=A0(10 mi= n)
- draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes)
- updates on AP-N= D and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes).
- draft-ietf-roll-enrollm= ent-priority-01 (10 minutes)

Time requested: 95 minutes

Thank you very much,

Ines and Dom= inique

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 9:50 AM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googl= email.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Please find at= tached the doodle for the virtual ROLL IETF 107 meeting.=C2=A0

Please fill the doodle by 24th March.

The = Agenda covers the required topics to be presented at IETF 107. Please let u= s know if you have additional topics to present/discuss.=C2=A0
We are open to schedule in another=C2=A0date/time if it is nee= ded.

Thank you very much,

Ines and Dominique.




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Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: IETF-Announce On Behalf Of IESG > Secretary > Sent: mercredi 25 mars 2020 21:32 > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: roll@ietf.org > Subject: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual > Meeting: 2020-04-29 >=20 > The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will > hold a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-29 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC. >=20 > Agenda: > Draft Agenda >=20 > - Introduction (10 minutes) > - draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes) > - draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 (15 min) > - NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min) > - draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 (10 min) > - draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 (10 min) > - draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes) > - updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes). > - draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes) > - Open Floor (30 minutes) >=20 > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval >=20 > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From nobody Thu Mar 26 11:25:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 766803A0D8E for ; 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Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:25:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <158516834307.31269.2904287905064078433@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <158516834307.31269.2904287905064078433@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Ines Robles Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:24:39 +0200 Message-ID: To: roll Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004698f105a1c61b26" Archived-At: Subject: [Roll] ROLL WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-29 - Material - X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:25:35 -0000 --0000000000004698f105a1c61b26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear all, Please find below information about the ROLL Interim Meeting: - Proposed Agenda: https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20200429-IETF107/Agenda-IETF107-roll Dear presenters, please send us the slides in pdf by 20th April. We would like to have all the presentations in one file and as a backup in case of screen sharing issues. - Etherpad: https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-roll-virtual-20200429 -Bluesheets: The Etherpad is working as blueesheet, so please remember to add your name and affiliation. - Please consider volunteer as minute-taker. - Webex details: Note that the webex will open 15 minutes before, in case that the presenters want to test screen-sharing, audio, video features. We aim to have the meeting in two hours, however the webex is going to be open still 45 minutes more in case that some discussion requires more time or if someone wants to discuss with the chairs after the meeting, etc. Since we are getting more topics to discuss, we might continue the discussions in a second meeting, we will decide it based on the results of the 29th meeting. Please note that we aim to record the meeting. The .ics file will be sent in another email. Also, It can be found in https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20200429-IETF107/Webex_Meeting_IETF107-roll.ics Webex details: Wednesday, Apr 29, 2020 6:45 am | 3 hours | (UTC-04:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada) Meeting number: 610 440 357 Password: Pp6DfDQce26 https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m976a599b4a6b6be830ec4e500329fd33 Join by video system Dial 610440357@ietf.webex.com You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number. Join by phone 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) Access code: 610 440 357 Another timestamps: https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=100,12,5392171,1796236&h=100&date=2020-04-29&sln=11-13 - Thank you Pascal! :-) Thank you very much, Ines, Dominique and Michael ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: IESG Secretary Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:35 PM Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-29 To: IETF-Announce Cc: The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hold a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-29 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC. Agenda: Draft Agenda - Introduction (10 minutes) - draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes) - draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 (15 min) - NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min) - draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 (10 min) - draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 (10 min) - draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes) - updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes). - draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes) - Open Floor (30 minutes) Information about remote participation: Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval --0000000000004698f105a1c61b26 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

Please find below information= about the ROLL Interim Meeting:


=C2=A0Dear presenters, please send us th= e slides in pdf by 20th April. We would like to have all the presentations = in one file and=C2=A0as a backup in case of screen sharing issues.=C2=A0


=C2=A0-Bluesheets: The Etherpad is working as blueesheet, s= o please remember to add your name=C2=A0 and affiliation.

- Please consider volunteer as minute-taker.

- Webex details:=C2=A0

Note that the webex wil= l open 15 minutes before, in case that the presenters want to=C2=A0test scr= een-sharing, audio, video=C2=A0 features. We aim to have the meeting in two= hours, however the webex is going to be open still 45 minutes more in case= that some discussion requires more time or if someone wants to discuss wit= h the chairs after the meeting, etc.=C2=A0
Since we are getting m= ore topics to discuss, we might continue the discussions in a second meetin= g, we will decide it based on the results of the 29th meeting.
Pl= ease note that we aim to record the meeting.=C2=A0

The .ics=C2=A0file will be sent in another email. Also, It can be found in= =C2=A0https://github.com/roll-= wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20200429-IETF107/Webex_Meeting_IETF107-= roll.ics

Webex details:

Wednesday, Apr 29, 2020 6:45 am | 3 hours | (UTC-04:00) Eastern Time= (US & Canada)
Meeting number: 610 440 357
Password: Pp6DfDQce26<= br>https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm= 976a599b4a6b6be830ec4e500329fd33

Join by video system
Dial=C2= =A0610440357@= ietf.webex.com
You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting= number.

Join by phone
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Can= ada)
1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)
Access code:= 610 440 357

Another timestamps:=C2=A0https= ://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=3D1&lid=3D100,12,5392171,1796236&h=3D= 100&date=3D2020-04-29&sln=3D11-13=C2=A0- Thank you Pascal! :-)<= /div>


Thank you very much,

=
Ines, Dominique and Michael

=
---------- Forwarded message --------= -
From: IESG Secretary <i= esg-secretary@ietf.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:35 P= M
Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Vi= rtual Meeting: 2020-04-29
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: <roll@ietf.org>


The Routing Over = Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will hold
a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-29 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda

- Introduction (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02=C2=A0 (15 min)
- NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03=C2=A0 (10 min)
- draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00=C2=A0 (10 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes)
- updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes).
- draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes)
- Open Floor (30 minutes)

Information about remote participation:
Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval

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On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:24 PM Ines Robles wrote: > Dear all, > > Please find below information about the ROLL Interim Meeting: > > - Proposed Agenda: > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20200429-IETF107/Agenda-IETF107-roll > > Dear presenters, please send us the slides in pdf by 20th April. We would > like to have all the presentations in one file and as a backup in case of > screen sharing issues. > > - Etherpad: > https://etherpad.tools.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-107-roll-virtual-20200429 > > -Bluesheets: The Etherpad is working as blueesheet, so please remember to > add your name and affiliation. > > - Please consider volunteer as minute-taker. > > - Webex details: > > Note that the webex will open 15 minutes before, in case that the > presenters want to test screen-sharing, audio, video features. We aim to > have the meeting in two hours, however the webex is going to be open still > 45 minutes more in case that some discussion requires more time or if > someone wants to discuss with the chairs after the meeting, etc. > Since we are getting more topics to discuss, we might continue the > discussions in a second meeting, we will decide it based on the results of > the 29th meeting. > Please note that we aim to record the meeting. > > The .ics file will be sent in another email. Also, It can be found in > https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/master/20200429-IETF107/Webex_Meeting_IETF107-roll.ics > > Webex details: > > Wednesday, Apr 29, 2020 6:45 am | 3 hours | (UTC-04:00) Eastern Time (US & > Canada) > Meeting number: 610 440 357 > Password: Pp6DfDQce26 > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m976a599b4a6b6be830ec4e500329fd33 > > Join by video system > Dial 610440357@ietf.webex.com > You can also dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number. > > Join by phone > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) > Access code: 610 440 357 > > Another timestamps: > https://www.worldtimebuddy.com/?qm=1&lid=100,12,5392171,1796236&h=100&date=2020-04-29&sln=11-13 - > Thank you Pascal! :-) > > > Thank you very much, > > Ines, Dominique and Michael > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: IESG Secretary > Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:35 PM > Subject: [Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG > Virtual Meeting: 2020-04-29 > To: IETF-Announce > Cc: > > > The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will > hold > a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-29 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC. > > Agenda: > Draft Agenda > > - Introduction (10 minutes) > - draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes) > - draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02 (15 min) > - NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min) > - draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03 (10 min) > - draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00 (10 min) > - draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes) > - updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes). > - draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes) > - Open Floor (30 minutes) > > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval > > > --00000000000008ba2805a1c6230b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,

<= /div>
Please find attached the ics file for the meeting

<= /div>
Best,

Ines.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 8:24 = PM Ines Robles <maria= inesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

Plea= se find below information about the ROLL Interim Meeting:


=C2=A0Dear pres= enters, please send us the slides in pdf by 20th April. We would like to ha= ve all the presentations in one file and=C2=A0as a backup in case of screen= sharing issues.=C2=A0


=C2=A0-Bluesheets: The Etherpad is= working as blueesheet, so please remember to add your name=C2=A0 and affil= iation.

- Please consider volunteer as minute-take= r.

- Webex details:=C2=A0

Note that the webex will open 15 minutes before, in case that the present= ers want to=C2=A0test screen-sharing, audio, video=C2=A0 features. We aim t= o have the meeting in two hours, however the webex is going to be open stil= l 45 minutes more in case that some discussion requires more time or if som= eone wants to discuss with the chairs after the meeting, etc.=C2=A0
Since we are getting more topics to discuss, we might continue the discu= ssions in a second meeting, we will decide it based on the results of the 2= 9th meeting.
Please note that we aim to record the meeting.=C2=A0=

The .ics=C2=A0file will be sent in another email.= Also, It can be found in=C2=A0https://github.com/roll-wg/ROLL-Interim-Meeting/blob/mas= ter/20200429-IETF107/Webex_Meeting_IETF107-roll.ics

<= /div>
Webex details:

Wednesday, Apr 29, 2020 6= :45 am | 3 hours | (UTC-04:00) Eastern Time (US & Canada)
Meeting nu= mber: 610 440 357
Password: Pp6DfDQce26
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm976a599b4a6b6be830ec4e500329fd33=

Join by video system
Dial=C2=A0610440357@ietf.webex.com
You can al= so dial 173.243.2.68 and enter your meeting number.

Join by phone1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)
1-877-668-4493 Call-in t= oll free number (US/Canada)
Access code: 610 440 357

<= /div>


Thank you very much,

Ines, Dominique and Mi= chael

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: IESG Secretary <iesg-secretary@i= etf.org>
Date: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 10:35 PM
Subject: [= Roll] Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) WG Virtual Meeting: = 2020-04-29
To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
Cc: <roll@ietf.org>

=
The Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll) Working Group will= hold
a virtual interim meeting on 2020-04-29 from 11:00 to 13:00 UTC.

Agenda:
Draft Agenda

- Introduction (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-07 (10 minutes)
- draft-ietf-roll-capabilities-02=C2=A0 (15 min)
- NPDAO and unaware-leaves (5 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-rpl-observations-03=C2=A0 (10 min)
- draft-papadopoulos-roll-dis-mods-use-cases-00=C2=A0 (10 min)
- draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-13 (20 minutes)
- updates on AP-ND and 6BBR, state of cluster C310 (5 minutes).
- draft-ietf-roll-enrollment-priority-01 (10 minutes)
- Open Floor (30 minutes)

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This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks WG of the IETF. Title : Common Ancestor Objective Function and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Extension Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis Georgios Papadopoulos Nicolas Montavont Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2020-03-27 Abstract: Packet Replication and Elimination is a method in which several copies of a data packet are sent in the network in order to achieve high reliability and low jitter. This document details how to apply Packet Replication and Elimination in RPL, especially how to exchange information within RPL control packets to let a node better select the different parents that will be used to forward the multiple copies of a packet. This document also describes the Objective Function which takes advantage of this information to implement multi-path routing. 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Papadopoulos" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Rahul Jadhav Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000050fc5b05a1d8ee53" X-ContactOffice-Account: com:113819248 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Remaining issues on draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 16:53:01 -0000 --00000000000050fc5b05a1d8ee53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello Ines, Thank you very much for the feedback and confirmations. We have addressed them and we have uploaded draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08 with all the changes. Please find the responses inline. On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:59 PM Ines Robles wrote: > Hi Aris, > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:24 PM Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis > wrote: > >> Two small issues remain: >> >> a) Compression of the PS IPv6 addresses. >> Rahul brought this up in his review, we mentioned that this was proposed >> before, implemented and then re-removed because of the plan to have a draft >> that performs compression on all RPL control traffic packets (following >> Pascal's and Dominique's advice). >> *Question: is there any chance this has changed and we might want to >> perform compression on the PS field specifically after all?* >> > > I think the compression can take place in a separate draft. > OK, great, we agree. So we'll leave this as is for now. > >> b) Change of the context of the PS NSA object from a constraint to a >> metric. >> Following Dominique's suggestion we changed it from a constraint to a >> recorded (R=1), partial (P=1) metric (C=0). >> The issue is that we are extending MRHOF and MRHOF supports the use of a >> single metric for computing the rank. >> It is true that the PS NSA object is not used for rank calculation, and >> we have clarified this. >> However, there might be still a conflict or a point to be clarified. >> See in MRHOF Section 2 Terminology >> : >> "Selected metric: The metric chosen for path selection by the network >> operator. MRHOF supports using a single metric for path selection." >> > > Maybe you could add this to the section 4 and explain how the extending > MRHOF address this point. > We have added an extra explanation in section 4, modifying the related text from MRHOF Section 2. We think it should be clear now. > >> VS our draft Section 5.1 "Usage" >> >> : >> "It is important that the PS does not affect the calculation of the rank >> through candidate neighbors. It is only used with the CA OF to remove >> nodes which do not fulfill the CA OF criteria from the candidate neighbor >> list." >> *Question: Is this sufficient in terms of explanation?* >> > > Section 5 is clear to me. > Great, so this is also clear. > > Thank you, > > Ines. > Again, thanks a lot! Best, Aris and Georgios > >> >> We would really appreciate answers on these, if possible of course, >> before the ROLL meeting so that we can update/finalize the drafts. >> >> Kind regards, >> Aris & Georgios >> >> >> --00000000000050fc5b05a1d8ee53 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Ines,

Thank you very m= uch for the feedback and confirmations.

We have ad= dressed them and we have uploaded draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08 with all= the changes.
Please find the responses inline.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:59 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> wrote:
=
Hi Aris,

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 6:24 PM Remous-Aris Koutsiam= anis <aris@ariskou= .com> wrote:
Two small issues remain:

=
a) Compression of the PS IPv6 addresses.
Rahul brought this = up in his review, we mentioned that this was proposed before, implemented a= nd then re-removed because of the plan to have a draft that performs compre= ssion on all RPL control traffic packets (following Pascal's and Domini= que's advice).
Question: is there any chance this has chan= ged and we might want to perform compression on the PS field specifically a= fter all?

I think the compr= ession can take place in a separate=C2=A0draft.=C2=A0=C2=A0

OK, great, we agree. So we'll leave = this as is for now.
=C2=A0

b)= Change of the context of the PS NSA object from a constraint to a metric.<= /div>
Following=C2=A0 Dominique's suggestion we changed it from a c= onstraint to a recorded (R=3D1), partial (P=3D1) metric (C=3D0).
= The issue is that we are extending MRHOF and MRHOF supports the use of a si= ngle metric for computing the rank.
It is true that the PS NSA ob= ject is not used for rank calculation, and we have clarified this.
However, there might be still a conflict or a point to be clarified.
"Sele= cted metric: =C2=A0The metric chosen for path selection by the network oper= ator.=C2=A0 MRHOF supports using a single metric for path selection."<= /div>
=C2=A0
Maybe you could add this to t= he section 4 and explain how the extending MRHOF address this point.=C2=A0<= /div>

We have added an extra ex= planation in section 4, modifying the related text from MRHOF Section 2.We think it should be clear now.
=C2=A0

"It is important that the PS does not affec= t the calculation of the rank through candidate neighbors.=C2=A0 It is only= used with the CA OF to remove nodes which do not fulfill the CA OF criteri= a from the candidate neighbor list."
Question: Is this su= fficient in terms of explanation?

Section 5 is clear to me.=C2=A0

Great, so this is also clear.
=C2=A0

Thank you,

Ines.

Again, thanks= a lot!

Best,
Aris and Georgios
=C2=A0


We would re= ally appreciate answers on these, if possible of course, before the ROLL me= eting so that we can update/finalize the drafts.

K= ind regards,
Aris & Georgios

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We have now addressed all the comments and suggestions from Rahul, Dominique and Ines. Thank you very much for all your work and help. At this point we would like to suggest moving towards the WGLC stage, since all issues have been addressed. Again, thanks for all your help. Best regards, Aris and Georgios On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:49 PM wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks > WG of the IETF. > > Title : Common Ancestor Objective Function and Parent > Set DAG Metric Container Extension > Authors : Remous-Aris Koutsiamanis > Georgios Papadopoulos > Nicolas Montavont > Pascal Thubert > Filename : draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08.txt > Pages : 17 > Date : 2020-03-27 > > Abstract: > Packet Replication and Elimination is a method in which several > copies of a data packet are sent in the network in order to achieve > high reliability and low jitter. This document details how to apply > Packet Replication and Elimination in RPL, especially how to exchange > information within RPL control packets to let a node better select > the different parents that will be used to forward the multiple > copies of a packet. This document also describes the Objective > Function which takes advantage of this information to implement > multi-path routing. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Roll mailing list > Roll@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/roll > --0000000000002c7ec505a1d8fd10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,

We have just uplo= aded this latest version of our draft.
We have now addressed all = the comments and suggestions from Rahul, Dominique and Ines.
Than= k you very much for all your work and help.

At thi= s point we would like to suggest moving towards the WGLC stage, since all i= ssues have been addressed.

Again, thanks for all= =C2=A0your help.

Best regards,
Aris and = Georgios

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 5:49 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks = WG of the IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= Common Ancestor Objective Function and Parent Set DAG Metric Container Ext= ension
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Remo= us-Aris Koutsiamanis
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Georgios Papadopoulos
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nicolas Montavont
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pascal Thubert
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-roll-nsa-extension-08.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 17
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2020-03-27

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Packet Replication and Elimination is a method in which severa= l
=C2=A0 =C2=A0copies of a data packet are sent in the network in order to ac= hieve
=C2=A0 =C2=A0high reliability and low jitter.=C2=A0 This document details h= ow to apply
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Packet Replication and Elimination in RPL, especially how to e= xchange
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information within RPL control packets to let a node better se= lect
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the different parents that will be used to forward the multipl= e
=C2=A0 =C2=A0copies of a packet.=C2=A0 This document also describes the Obj= ective
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Function which takes advantage of this information to implemen= t
=C2=A0 =C2=A0multi-path routing.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draf= t-ietf-roll-nsa-extension/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-r= oll-nsa-extension-08
https://datatracker.ietf.org/d= oc/html/draft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url= 2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-nsa-extension-08


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n
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