From nobody Mon May 3 07:54:25 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8AE3A0B9D for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 07:00:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MZQNwGEHcn2F for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1A5893A0B88 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 07:00:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 5B4ACF40775; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT) To: mariainesrobles@gmail.com, mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca, pthubert@cisco.com, aretana.ietf@gmail.com, jgs@juniper.net, martin.vigoureux@nokia.com, dominique.barthel@orange.com, mariainesrobles@googlemail.com X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Cc: pthubert@cisco.com, roll@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20210423135957.5B4ACF40775@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 06:59:57 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 03 May 2021 07:54:23 -0700 Subject: [Roll] [Technical Errata Reported] RFC9008 (6557) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 14:00:09 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC9008, "Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes, and IPv6-in-IPv6 Encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: https://www.rfc-editor.org/errata/eid6557 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Pascal Thubert Section: 11.1 Original Text ------------- DODAG Configuration Option Flag to Indicate the RPI Flag Day Corrected Text -------------- DODAG Configuration Option Flag to Set the Value of the RPI Option Type Notes ----- The point of the new flag is to avoid a flag day. Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC9008 (draft-ietf-roll-useofrplinfo-44) -------------------------------------- Title : Using RPI Option Type, Routing Header for Source Routes, and IPv6-in-IPv6 Encapsulation in the RPL Data Plane Publication Date : April 2021 Author(s) : M.I. Robles, M. Richardson, P. Thubert Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Thu May 6 18:58:35 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDDD83A093B; Thu, 6 May 2021 18:58:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.119 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.119 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=earthlink.net; domainkeys=pass (2048-bit key) header.from=charles.perkins@earthlink.net header.d=earthlink.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1OaldVZFLEIL; Thu, 6 May 2021 18:58:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.61]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EFE03A0945; Thu, 6 May 2021 18:58:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=earthlink.net; s=dk12062016; t=1620352705; bh=H2R8h7BnghDx4QDlI2rHXmY+9BJ5JgnKh4WV oU9P4ms=; h=Received:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date: User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace: X-Originating-IP; b=hAfjtSqrPiFbdwV2DPAPQOU1mlGfEkdkILwb68swQ+q277 sRGiSwBQnLNatKuUunU+MztumAoyGKO81fwHbRbbXBhqRC0F6798fyf9O3NTn2pfrut d0N/5WU85R4feZemtmqjTQEYXTigdml1BG6NGvQNuOA8Z971we7cgTblm1PKEtpZSe4 oUaP57nY53jMwVdfye5IT/6MCtjvbFpZRzGHHGtgnWHT8KlFg7j4ELJywGUx2wod52t I/2ZdqLOVhIXJkcdzCDTcLZvYN/ptMP0Nsza6Xkn6GPZGpvTMo9CCQBwfNpX6fU5KoT 3z2MABXuuD8O/XuM2GxnWyK5axCQ== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk12062016; d=earthlink.net; b=ZCZdiVdVIujY4KLlQK0RH+yyKbzHM1wjxDdeUlt7Q0NchydRFY6MeCYftaOmK6w5zVapi6JxMk37FtrM0sGd/YDmR/ZyfY73ZhaE2ZT7OV81rFgoG3K1ipQzjmSWb8fObZrDBbOzpWkBhhoiaV8XzLjPHeFgOIGhZKsNOANmtJROS+MksCp3nSF0DGc1YB+/N85qWj5dNxSMg1UBGiWFRb8n7uzijNSkF3uPGl1OHC8QPMIUqgV6nlZ0abGauYzmAOzBNvaE0+Vg1B75+OKh2054/A7ZjiWxkLunw6AoYLrojrLBRW1qH2F2CrXDsRMsjvpSjVCYssFtml2OOkEQ2w==; h=Received:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Message-ID:Date:User-Agent:MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Language:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.51.72.196] (helo=[192.168.1.72]) by elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4) (envelope-from ) id 1lepl0-0002Qh-PF; Thu, 06 May 2021 21:58:22 -0400 To: John Scudder , Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks , John Scudder via Datatracker , The IESG Cc: roll-chairs@ietf.org, mariainesrobles@googlemail.com, draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl@ietf.org References: <161886431878.23690.10633892549620498188@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Charlie Perkins Message-ID: Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 18:58:20 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <161886431878.23690.10633892549620498188@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-ELNK-Trace: 137d7d78656ed6919973fd6a8f21c4f2d780f4a490ca6956df8303b86ceddf55bb0edab7fa11e22b2f1cbd1d5fceac3b350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.51.72.196 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] John Scudder's Discuss on draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-10: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 May 2021 01:58:30 -0000 Hello John, It's taken a while for me to get to this, please excuse the delay. I have some followup to your comments interspersed below. On 4/19/2021 1:31 PM, John Scudder via Datatracker wrote: > John Scudder has entered the following ballot position for > draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl-10: Discuss > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-aodv-rpl/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > DISCUSS: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A lot of effort has clearly gone into this work, thank you. I do have one topic > I want to DISCUSS, as it seriously impacted the readability of the document > from my point of view. I don’t anticipate that it will be very difficult to > resolve this DISCUSS as it relates to clarity and not to anything fundamental. > > My chief difficulty with the document is placing it in context. No hints are > given to the reader as to what the expected network environment is. I think it > would be almost sufficient to say, for example “the network environment is > assumed to be the same as described in RFC 6550, Section 1” for example, but > without that hint and without a strong background in ROLL, I found myself > struggling. Figures 4 and 5 in particular lead me to believe the expected > environment looks similar to a classic ISP network — a collection of nodes > connected by point-to-point links. If this isn’t correct (and I bet it’s not) > that may have led me into incorrect assumptions, which may be reflected in my > other comments below. > > Further, it’s not stated anywhere whether AODV-RPL is intended to stand alone > as its own routing protocol, or to be viewed as an extension of RPL. In the > former case, it seems the document is lacking details that are present in RFC > 6550. I’m assuming the latter is the case, but a clear statement to that effect > seems indicated. How about this text:    Routing Protocol for Low-Power and Lossy Networks (RPL) [RFC6550] is    an IPv6 distance vector routing protocol designed to support multiple    traffic flows through a root-based Destination-Oriented Directed    Acyclic Graph (DODAG).  Typically, a router does not have routing    information for most other routers.  Consequently, for traffic    between routers within the DODAG (i.e., Point-to-Point (P2P) traffic)    data packets either have to traverse the root in non-storing mode, or    traverse a common ancestor in storing mode.  Such P2P traffic is    thereby likely to traverse longer routes and may suffer severe    congestion near the root (for more information see [RFC6997],    [RFC6998]). The network environment that is considered in this document    assumed to be the same as described in Section 1 of [RFC6550]. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > 1. Section 1: > > Reply. AODV-RPL currently omits some features compared to AODV -- in > particular, flagging Route Errors, blacklisting unidirectional links, > multihoming, and handling unnumbered interfaces. > > Your use of language is entirely up to you, but I feel obliged to point out > that there’s been a lot of discussion in the IETF community recently about use > of language that raises sensitive points, and about the term “blacklisting” in > particular. I understand that this is the only place in the document the term > appears, and since it refers to AODV you can’t just use another term, but > placing it in quotation marks might make it clear that it’s referring verbatim > to the language of RFC 3561. This is an evolving issue.  I am fine with using quotes but otherwise maintaining consistent terminology.  For instance,     AODV-RPL currently omits some features compared to AODV -- in     particular, flagging Route Errors, "blacklisting" unidirectional links     [RFC3561], multihoming, and handling unnumbered interfaces. If there is an official list of terms to search for please let us know. > > 2. Section 1: > > support for storing and non-storing modes. AODV adds basic messages > RREQ and RREP as part of RPL DIO (DODAG Information Object) control > > Did you mean “AODV-RPL adds”? Yes, will fix. > > 3. Section 2: > > Symmetric route > The upstream and downstream routes traverse the same routers. > > Same routers? Or same links? (Or both, if multi-access links are part of the > mix, as I imagine they may be?)       The upstream and downstream routes traverse the same routers and over       the same links. > 4. Section 4.1: > > OrigNode sets its IPv6 address in the DODAGID field of the RREQ-DIO > message. A RREQ-DIO message MUST carry exactly one RREQ option, > > Should that say “one of its IPv6 addresses"? Is it even necessary to restate > this? RFC 6550 §6.3.1 already has a clearer requirement: > > DODAGID: 128-bit IPv6 address set by a DODAG root that uniquely > identifies a DODAG. The DODAGID MUST be a routable IPv6 > address belonging to the DODAG root. I'm not quite sure what is requested.  Should it be "OrigNode sets the DODAGID field", relying on the definition provided in RFC 6550? Should it be "OrigNode sets one of its routable IPv6 address in the DODAGID field"? Honestly, I thought the meaning was clear.  Unless there is an objection, I reckon we will use the latter wording. > > 5. Section S4.1: > > TargNode can join the RREQ instance at a Rank whose integer portion > is equal to the MaxRank. > > Not less than or equal, right? Strict equality to MaxRank is required? The existing text isn't good.  Instead,    TargNode can join the RREQ instance at a Rank whose integer portion    is less than the MaxRank. > 6. Section 4.2: > > TargNode sets its IPv6 address in the DODAGID field of the RREP-DIO > message. A RREP-DIO message MUST carry exactly one RREP option, > > Same as #4. > > 7. Section 4.2: > > Address Vector > Only present when the H bit is set to 0. For an asymmetric route, > the Address Vector represents the IPv6 addresses of the route that > the RREP-DIO has passed. > > The first time I read through this, I didn’t understand it at all. On > re-reading, I think you’re using the word “route” in two different ways in the > same sentence, the first time to mean “route” in the sense of an object in the > protocol, the second time in the more casual sense of “a path through the > network”. If that’s right, I suggest rewriting the second instance, as in “… > represents the IPv6 addresses of the path through the network the RREP-DIO has > traversed.” > > Also, as in point #4, is it right to say *the* IPv6 addresses? Couldn’t any > given node have various IPv6 addresses? So maybe just lose the definite > article, as in “… represents IPv6 addresses of the path…”? Good point.  We will use your formulation. > > 8. Section 4.3: > > r > A one-bit reserved field. This field MUST be initialized to zero > by the sender and MUST be ignored by the receiver. > > The figure doesn’t show an “r” field. I assume the field labeled “X” should be > relabeled as “r”? Actually, the description should refer to an "X" field, not an "r" field.  We will update. > > 9. Section 5: > > Figure 4. If an intermediate router sends out RREQ-DIO with the S > bit set to 1, then all the one-hop links on the route from the > OrigNode O to this router meet the requirements of route discovery, > > On first reading I didn’t understand this. Having read the whole document, I > now get it (I think!). Possibly changing “meet” to “have met” would have been > enough to get me past my initial befuddlement. Yes, that's better. > > 10. Section 5: > > The criteria used to determine whether or not each link is symmetric > is beyond the scope of the document. For instance, intermediate > > Should be “criterion … is beyond", or "criteria … are beyond", depending on > whether you want singular or plural. We will use "criteria … are beyond". > > 11. Section 5: > > routers can use local information (e.g., bit rate, bandwidth, number > of cells used in 6tisch) > > I wouldn’t have minded a reference for 6tisch. No problem. > > 12. Section 5: > > Upon receiving a RREQ-DIO with the S bit set to 1, a node determines > whether this one-hop link can be used symmetrically, i.e., both the > two directions meet the requirements of data transmission. If the > RREQ-DIO arrives over an interface that is not known to be symmetric, > or is known to be asymmetric, the S bit is set to 0. If the S bit > arrives already set to be '0', it is set to be '0' on retransmission > > The term “retransmission” seems misused here. I guess you mean something like > “when the RREQ-DIO is propagated”. That is better.  We will use that. > > 13. Section 5: > > Appendix A describes an example method using the upstream Expected > Number of Transmissions" (ETX) and downstream Received Signal > Strength Indicator (RSSI) to estimate whether the link is symmetric > in terms of link quality is given in using an averaging technique. > > This sentence needs a rewrite to make it grammatical. It works up until "is > given in using an averaging technique”. How about:     Appendix A describes an example method using the upstream Expected     Number of Transmissions" (ETX) and downstream Received Signal     Strength Indicator (RSSI) to estimate whether the link is symmetric     in terms of link quality using an averaging technique. > > 14. Section 6.2.1: > > If the S bit in the received RREQ-DIO is set to 1, the router MUST > determine whether each direction of the link (by which the RREQ- > DIO is received) satisfies the Objective Function. In case that > the downward (i.e. towards the TargNode) direction of the link > does not satisfy the Objective Function, the link can't be used > symmetrically, thus the S bit of the RREQ-DIO to be sent out MUST > be set as 0. If the S bit in the received RREQ-DIO is set to 0, > the router MUST determine into the upward direction (towards the > OrigNode) of the link. > > The last sentence doesn’t make sense. How about:                ...  If the S bit in the received RREQ-DIO is set to 0,      the router MUST determine the upward direction (towards the      OrigNode) of the link. > > 15. Section 6.2.1: > > If the router is an intermediate router, then it transmits a RREQ- > DIO via link-local multicast; > > On what interface? Routers generally can have multiple interfaces. Again, this > is a place a clear description of the network environment might have helped. The link-local multicast should go out over all local interfaces. > > 16. Section 6.2.2: > > If the OrigNode tries to reach multiple TargNodes in a single RREQ- > Instance, one of the TargNodes can be an intermediate router to the > others, therefore it MUST continue sending RREQ-DIO to reach other > targets. In this case, before rebroadcasting the RREQ-DIO > > The use of the term “broadcast” here confuses me. Is this “broadcast” in the RF > sense? Again, this is a place a clear description of the network environment > might have helped. This needs to be reformulated to avoid suggesting anything about RF broadcast.  TBD. > > 17. Section 6.2.2: > > send out any RREQ-DIO. For the purposes of determining the > intersection with previous incoming RREQ-DIOs, the intermediate > router maintains a record of the targets that have been requested > associated with the RREQ-Instance. Any RREQ-DIO message with > different ART Options coming from a router with higher Rank is > ignored. > > It’s not clear to me if the last sentence goes with the previous and if so, > how. Does it even relate to multiple targets? Also, different from what? If it > has the same ART Options (same as what?) is it *not* ignored? How about:                   .....                     For the purposes of determining the   intersection with previous incoming RREQ-DIOs, the intermediate   router maintains a record of the targets that have been requested   associated with the RREQ-Instance. Any incoming RREQ-DIO message having   multiple ART Options coming from a router with higher Rank than the Rank of   the stored targets is ignored. > > 18. Section 6.3.1: > > implementation-specific and out of scope. If the implementation > selects the symmetric route, and the L bit is not 0, the TargNode MAY > delay transmitting the RREP-DIO for duration RREP_WAIT_TIME to await > a symmetric route with a lower Rank. The value of RREP_WAIT_TIME is > set by default to 1/4 of the time duration determined by the L bit. > > It’s not an L bit though, it’s an L field. Good point! > > 19. Section 6.3.2: > > multicast until the OrigNode is reached or MaxRank is exceeded. The > TargNode MAY delay transmitting the RREP-DIO for duration > RREP_WAIT_TIME to await a route with a lower Rank. The value of > RREP_WAIT_TIME is set by default to 1/4 of the time duration > determined by the L bit. > > Again, it’s an L field. Also, what if L is zero? Is RREP_WAIT_TIME set to > infinity, as the text implies? Thanks for pointing this out.  We need to be explicit about it.  I don't think the RREP_WAIT_TIME should ever be zero or infinity. But, if it were, the implementations would still be interoperable in a sense.  Do we really want to get into exactly what wait times make sense in this context? > > Please do a global search for “L bit”, as there are additional instances I > haven’t called out. > > 20. Section 6.4: > > Step 4: > > If the receiver is the OrigNode, it can start transmitting the > application data to TargNode along the path as provided in RREP- > Instance, and processing for the RREP-DIO is complete. Otherwise, > in case of an asymmetric route, the intermediate router MUST > include the address of the interface receiving the RREP-DIO into > the address vector, and then transmit the RREP-DIO via link-local > multicast. In case of a symmetric route, the RREP-DIO message is > > As with #15: on what interface(s)? It should go out to all the neighbors over multiple interfaces if necessary. > > 21. Section 10: > > fake AODV-RPL route discoveries. In this type of scenario, RPL's > preinstalled mode of operation, where the key to use for a P2P-RPL > route discovery is preinstalled, SHOULD be used. > > What type of scenario is that?  "In this type of scenario" -> "When rogue routers might be present" > > 22. Appendix A: > > s/pakcet/packet/ Check. > > 23. General remark: > > Although “acknowledgements” isn’t a required section I was a little surprised > not to encounter it, as it’s usually present. Your call of course. Acknowledgements are due to a lot of people - thanks for the reminder! Naturally Yours, Charlie P. From nobody Wed May 12 02:56:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1964F3A3BF3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 02:56:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UctxMaSCi96Q for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 02:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.96.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F74C3A3BF2 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 02:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690C860373094 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:56:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id kThCY2PZP4Ob for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:56:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:7488:f3e3:c906:59ac] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:7488:f3e3:c906:59ac]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:56:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Konrad Iwanicki Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> <18233.1583176305@localhost> <10272666-28c7-ab3e-9ceb-1b8f2bb6e5e5@mimuw.edu.pl> To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Message-ID: <02c7a894-b7a8-8fcb-9119-172a91a3871b@mimuw.edu.pl> Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 11:57:32 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 09:56:12 -0000 Dear Michael, Pascall, and all, Hopefully, I have addressed all your previous comments (at least those that I knew how to address). The changes are in the GitHub repo. My question is: What now? Despite the introductory videos, it is not completely clear to me what the next steps should be. Moreover, before a new version of the draft is produced, if at all, I would like to discuss a few issues so that the draft best matches the group's practices, both technical and nontechnical: 1. best method for enabling/disabling the protocol 2. simplicity vs. generality and reusability 3. authorship of the draft Best, -- - Konrad Iwanicki. From nobody Wed May 12 08:46:23 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E723A0CAE for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 08:46:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f-BLM-Ob_1Bo for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 08:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08D7B3A0CA2 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 08:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9012738EA3 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id GL9h_KOl3lJF for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D2D38ED8 for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AACD63D for ; Wed, 12 May 2021 11:46:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks In-Reply-To: <02c7a894-b7a8-8fcb-9119-172a91a3871b@mimuw.edu.pl> References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> <18233.1583176305@localhost> <10272666-28c7-ab3e-9ceb-1b8f2bb6e5e5@mimuw.edu.pl> <02c7a894-b7a8-8fcb-9119-172a91a3871b@mimuw.edu.pl> X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 15:46:22 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Konrad Iwanicki wrote: > Hopefully, I have addressed all your previous comments (at least those > that I knew how to address). The changes are in the GitHub repo. My > question is: > What now? > Despite the introductory videos, it is not completely clear to me what > the next steps should be. A few illustrative slides for a virtual interim meeting, and then pester the WG chairs to adopt it. I would support adoption, and I prefer that documents are adopted early. (not everyone shares this view, see RFC7221 a= nd rfc7221bis) > Moreover, before a new version of the draft is produced, if at all, I > would like to discuss a few issues so that the draft best matches the > group's practices, both technical and nontechnical: > 1. best method for enabling/disabling the protocol Can it use capex? > 2. simplicity vs. generality and reusability I'd need some examples here. > 3. authorship of the draft The WG chairs essentially decide that, but it is unusual for them not to consult with you. (Most of the time, it's whomever fails to step back fast enough.) BTW: to everyone, a bunch of clusters of documents in 6tisch and ANIMA have gotten to AUTH48 in the RFC editing process, and this tends to act as a Denial of Service on a bunch of people in this WG. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmCb+EAACgkQgItw+93Q 3WXYjggAg5cq+m1IzU1zQPxEubtM5btqvS1vV7YEiALYzQjiwl/AP4HP55AlHUQT vDHf/rCsFW/iYBtYWwT4nqsBQa19jAGzxS9EEIB0DGUyiaGcCvi6XCOJDagGNAmc vsosIDxghj++NpqYLNdbt7YktXfWAWHvndNwB4zDNShqppcRlJPjb7qf3CFDyBeu /fTBrL2ZA/QX7Z5inzs3vXvi9OxJWUt912v2oN6GzzCZd7w6+K9xKcWXN5NseW07 hDFuR+QKKM9QRFtapzBAspdiFFG4vK7zWkWIuV3oV0ccF1G/qNqzzL8u8jTN6wcP wfFZj3yMGmopQ3MIK1ixXXNup8WrVA== =68k0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu May 13 03:46:16 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: roll@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDF33A0765 for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 03:46:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jo_2ZKOUD_in for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 03:46:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.mimuw.edu.pl (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [193.0.96.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0095D3A0766 for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 03:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BAEA6010FA46 for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 12:46:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mimuw.edu.pl Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mimuw.edu.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id JNwVE4AThleB for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 12:46:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:5c95:1ef7:2d3d:3006] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6a0:5001:2:5c95:1ef7:2d3d:3006]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by duch.mimuw.edu.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 13 May 2021 12:46:02 +0200 (CEST) To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks References: <49ac5fc3-4a3c-fb87-d366-eb7e7cfd60df@mimuw.edu.pl> <18233.1583176305@localhost> <10272666-28c7-ab3e-9ceb-1b8f2bb6e5e5@mimuw.edu.pl> <02c7a894-b7a8-8fcb-9119-172a91a3871b@mimuw.edu.pl> <8421.1620834368@localhost> From: Konrad Iwanicki Reply-To: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 12:47:33 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8421.1620834368@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Roll] Border router failure detection X-BeenThere: roll@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 10:46:15 -0000 Hi Michael, On 12.05.2021 17:46, Michael Richardson wrote: > > Konrad Iwanicki wrote: > > Hopefully, I have addressed all your previous comments (at least those > > that I knew how to address). The changes are in the GitHub repo. My > > question is: > > > What now? > > > Despite the introductory videos, it is not completely clear to me what > > the next steps should be. > > A few illustrative slides for a virtual interim meeting, and then pester the > WG chairs to adopt it. I would support adoption, and I prefer that > documents are adopted early. (not everyone shares this view, see RFC7221 and rfc7221bis) Thanks a lot for the explanation. I will thus prepare the slides for the meeting. > > Moreover, before a new version of the draft is produced, if at all, I > > would like to discuss a few issues so that the draft best matches the > > group's practices, both technical and nontechnical: > > > 1. best method for enabling/disabling the protocol > > Can it use capex? Thanks for the pointer. I will think whether and how CapEx could be used to this end. > > 2. simplicity vs. generality and reusability > > I'd need some examples here. One of the reasons for the question is that CFRCs in the current RNFD option have a specific format (linear counting). However, one could think of allowing different CFRC algorithms in the option, even though, based on our experiments with such algorithms, I don't believe this to be terribly relevant. Moreover, this would make the protocol more complex, which I would like to avoid. Nevertheless, I wanted to ask if you have any preferences in this respect. > > 3. authorship of the draft > > The WG chairs essentially decide that, but it is unusual for them not to > consult with you. > (Most of the time, it's whomever fails to step back fast enough.) Great. Hope that the chairs will value your and Pascal's contribution. Best, -- - Konrad Iwanicki. 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Dear all,

This is = a kindly reminder.

Link to the survey:=C2=A0https://www.= surveymonkey.com/r/JTSD7QK=C2=A0 (estimated time to fill it: 2 minutes)=

Thank you,

Ines and Domi= nique

On Wed, Apr 28, 2021 at 10:32 PM Ines Robles <mariainesrobles@googlemail.com> = wrote:
Dear all,=C2=A0

In order to help us assess the = need for a ROLL session at the IETF 111 meeting, would you please fill the = following form=C2=A0by 20th May.
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Thank you in advance,
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Ines and Dominique=C2=A0
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