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 Sir/Madam,

  In the draft "draft-ietf-bfd-base-03.txt" Page 26
and 27 , it says that bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval must be
initialised to a value of at least one second
(1,000,000 microseconds). Does this mean that
bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval should be always greater or
equal to 1 sec?

But, in the same draft , Section 6.7.3 (paragraph 6),
it is specified that if bfd.SessionState is not Up,
the system MUST set bfd.DesiredMInTxInterval to a
value not less than one second.

Can someone please clarify  what is min. value of
Desired Min Tx Interval 
and Required Min. Rx Interval?
Is the Min. values for Desired Min. Tx Interval and
required Min. Rx. Interval
different when session is Down/AdminDown/Init from
when the session is up?

Thank you in Advance,
With Regards,
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On Nov 25, 2005, at 4:41 AM, Tonuka SinhaRay wrote:

>
>  Sir/Madam,
>
>   In the draft "draft-ietf-bfd-base-03.txt" Page 26
> and 27 , it says that bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval must be
> initialised to a value of at least one second
> (1,000,000 microseconds). Does this mean that
> bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval should be always greater or
> equal to 1 sec?

No, just that the value must be at least one second when the session  
is first created.

>
> But, in the same draft , Section 6.7.3 (paragraph 6),
> it is specified that if bfd.SessionState is not Up,
> the system MUST set bfd.DesiredMInTxInterval to a
> value not less than one second.
>
> Can someone please clarify  what is min. value of
> Desired Min Tx Interval
> and Required Min. Rx Interval?

There is no minimum (well, one microsecond.)  MinTx reflects the  
sender's desire to transmit rapidly;  MinRx reflects the receiver's  
desire to receive slowly.  Thus the receiver always places a lower  
bound on the interval.

> Is the Min. values for Desired Min. Tx Interval and
> required Min. Rx. Interval
> different when session is Down/AdminDown/Init from
> when the session is up?

As you quote above, MinTx must be at least one second when the  
session isn't up.

The point of this whole exercise is to give each system unilateral  
control over the maximum transmission rate in both directions.  When  
a session is first starting up, however, each system sends slowly  
because it does not know the requirements of the other system (which  
can't be guaranteed until the session is up.)  For that matter,  
perhaps only one system is configured to use BFD, and the session may  
never come up, so the bandwidth consumption needs to be limited.

--Dave

>
> Thank you in Advance,
> With Regards,
> Tonuka
>
>
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I would like to propose making draft-chopps-isis-bfd-tlv-00.txt a WG  
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This was mentioned back at IETF 62 (although I think the draft was  
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Thank you Dave,
One more clarification  please?
By up, Does it mean that When the session is down or
init or admin down , the min. Tx interval should be
min. 1 sec?
But when the session state is up, Is the max. value
the Desired min. Tx. interval  1 sec?

With Regards,
Tonuka
--- Dave Katz <dkatz@juniper.net> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 25, 2005, at 4:41 AM, Tonuka SinhaRay wrote:
> 
> >
> >  Sir/Madam,
> >
> >   In the draft "draft-ietf-bfd-base-03.txt" Page
> 26
> > and 27 , it says that bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval
> must be
> > initialised to a value of at least one second
> > (1,000,000 microseconds). Does this mean that
> > bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval should be always greater
> or
> > equal to 1 sec?
> 
> No, just that the value must be at least one second
> when the session  
> is first created.
> 
> >
> > But, in the same draft , Section 6.7.3 (paragraph
> 6),
> > it is specified that if bfd.SessionState is not
> Up,
> > the system MUST set bfd.DesiredMInTxInterval to a
> > value not less than one second.
> >
> > Can someone please clarify  what is min. value of
> > Desired Min Tx Interval
> > and Required Min. Rx Interval?
> 
> There is no minimum (well, one microsecond.)  MinTx
> reflects the  
> sender's desire to transmit rapidly;  MinRx reflects
> the receiver's  
> desire to receive slowly.  Thus the receiver always
> places a lower  
> bound on the interval.
> 
> > Is the Min. values for Desired Min. Tx Interval
> and
> > required Min. Rx. Interval
> > different when session is Down/AdminDown/Init from
> > when the session is up?
> 
> As you quote above, MinTx must be at least one
> second when the  
> session isn't up.
> 
> The point of this whole exercise is to give each
> system unilateral  
> control over the maximum transmission rate in both
> directions.  When  
> a session is first starting up, however, each system
> sends slowly  
> because it does not know the requirements of the
> other system (which  
> can't be guaranteed until the session is up.)  For
> that matter,  
> perhaps only one system is configured to use BFD,
> and the session may  
> never come up, so the bandwidth consumption needs to
> be limited.
> 
> --Dave
> 
> >
> > Thank you in Advance,
> > With Regards,
> > Tonuka
> >
> >
> > 		
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On Nov 25, 2005, at 9:07 PM, Tonuka SinhaRay wrote:

> Thank you Dave,
> One more clarification  please?
> By up, Does it mean that When the session is down or
> init or admin down , the min. Tx interval should be
> min. 1 sec?
> But when the session state is up, Is the max. value
> the Desired min. Tx. interval  1 sec?

No, it could be any value, including greater, though one might expect  
that if you wanted to run at, say, 10 seconds when up, that you would  
start with a value that large or larger before the session came up.

--Dave

>
> With Regards,
> Tonuka
> --- Dave Katz <dkatz@juniper.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Nov 25, 2005, at 4:41 AM, Tonuka SinhaRay wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  Sir/Madam,
>>>
>>>   In the draft "draft-ietf-bfd-base-03.txt" Page
>> 26
>>> and 27 , it says that bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval
>> must be
>>> initialised to a value of at least one second
>>> (1,000,000 microseconds). Does this mean that
>>> bfd.DesiredMinTxInterval should be always greater
>> or
>>> equal to 1 sec?
>>
>> No, just that the value must be at least one second
>> when the session
>> is first created.
>>
>>>
>>> But, in the same draft , Section 6.7.3 (paragraph
>> 6),
>>> it is specified that if bfd.SessionState is not
>> Up,
>>> the system MUST set bfd.DesiredMInTxInterval to a
>>> value not less than one second.
>>>
>>> Can someone please clarify  what is min. value of
>>> Desired Min Tx Interval
>>> and Required Min. Rx Interval?
>>
>> There is no minimum (well, one microsecond.)  MinTx
>> reflects the
>> sender's desire to transmit rapidly;  MinRx reflects
>> the receiver's
>> desire to receive slowly.  Thus the receiver always
>> places a lower
>> bound on the interval.
>>
>>> Is the Min. values for Desired Min. Tx Interval
>> and
>>> required Min. Rx. Interval
>>> different when session is Down/AdminDown/Init from
>>> when the session is up?
>>
>> As you quote above, MinTx must be at least one
>> second when the
>> session isn't up.
>>
>> The point of this whole exercise is to give each
>> system unilateral
>> control over the maximum transmission rate in both
>> directions.  When
>> a session is first starting up, however, each system
>> sends slowly
>> because it does not know the requirements of the
>> other system (which
>> can't be guaranteed until the session is up.)  For
>> that matter,
>> perhaps only one system is configured to use BFD,
>> and the session may
>> never come up, so the bandwidth consumption needs to
>> be limited.
>>
>> --Dave
>>
>>>
>>> Thank you in Advance,
>>> With Regards,
>>> Tonuka
>>>
>>>
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Chris,

I went through the draft and I think it would be an useful addition to
ISIS. However I have a couple of suggestions to add to the draft.

 - the behaviour in a multi topology scenario needs to be specified. 
 - the new TLV should be able to specify the BFD capability for
different data protocols. This would be useful if some implementation
supports BFD for one particular protocol only.

Thanks,
Saravana

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I would like to propose making draft-chopps-isis-bfd-tlv-00.txt a WG  
document.

This was mentioned back at IETF 62 (although I think the draft was  
not present yet :); however, I don't recall if it has been brought up  
on the list or not.

Chris.





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Should this be in the ISIS WG since ISIS bits are changing? I think so as no
BFD bits are changing. I will contact the ISIS WG chairs.

-DWard


On 11/26/05 2:17 AM, "Saravana Kumar" <saravanak@huawei.com> wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> I went through the draft and I think it would be an useful addition to
> ISIS. However I have a couple of suggestions to add to the draft.
> 
> - the behaviour in a multi topology scenario needs to be specified.
> - the new TLV should be able to specify the BFD capability for
> different data protocols. This would be useful if some implementation
> supports BFD for one particular protocol only.
> 
> Thanks,
> Saravana
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtg-bfd-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtg-bfd-bounces@ietf.org] On
> Behalf Of Christian Hopps
> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 1:54 AM
> To: rtg-bfd@ietf.org
> Subject: Status on draft-chopps-isis-bfd-tlv-00.txt
> 
> 
> I would like to propose making draft-chopps-isis-bfd-tlv-00.txt a WG
> document.
> 
> This was mentioned back at IETF 62 (although I think the draft was
> not present yet :); however, I don't recall if it has been brought up
> on the list or not.
> 
> Chris.
> 




