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>From the Single-Hop draft (BFD for IPv4 and IPv6 (Single Hop)
draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop-04.txt) section 7.3:

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   Therefore, when a BFD session transitions from Up to Down, action

   SHOULD be taken in the routing protocol to signal the lack of

   connectivity for the data protocol (IPv4 or IPv6) over which BFD is

   running.  If only one data protocol is being advertised in the

   routing protocol Hello, or if multiple protocols are being advertised

   but the protocols must share a common topology, a Hello protocol

   timeout SHOULD be emulated for the associated OSPF neighbors and/or

   IS-IS adjacencies.

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   If multiple data protocols are advertised in the routing protocol

   Hello, and the routing protocol supports different topologies for

   each data protocol, the failing data protocol SHOULD no longer be

   advertised in Hello packets in order to signal a lack of connectivity

   for that protocol.

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Talking from an MT-IS-IS context where both IPv4-unicast and
IPv6-unicast topologies are enabled (see second paragraph above) on the
link:

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1=2E Why do we require IS-IS to convey the lack of connectivity to the
neighbor? Doesn't BFD on the neighboring router detect it as well (much
faster)?

2=2E Which field in the IIH is implied here? NLPID or MTID TLV?

3=2E Why do we need to modify these fields, which advertise the
configuration and capabilities supported on the link, when a neighbor
state changes?

4=2E Doesn't changing these fields in our Hello packet affect all
neighbors on the shared link?

5=2E Isn't it sufficient to just emulate receiving a Hello from the
neighbor without the corresponding NLPID and MTIDs, which would cause
only the failed protocol to re-route around the neighbor, without
affecting anything else?

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Thanks

-Ajeer Pudiyapura

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
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font-family:Arial'>From the Single-Hop draft (BFD for IPv4 and IPv6 (Single
Hop) draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop-04.txt) section 7.3:<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Therefore, when a BFD session transitions f=
rom
Up to Down, action<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; SHOULD be taken in the routing protocol to
signal the lack of<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; connectivity for the data protocol (IPv4 or
IPv6) over which BFD is<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; running.&nbsp; If only one data protocol is=
 being
advertised in the<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; routing protocol Hello, or if multiple
protocols are being advertised<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; but the protocols must share a common topol=
ogy,
a Hello protocol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; timeout SHOULD be emulated for the associat=
ed
OSPF neighbors and/or<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; IS-IS adjacencies.<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; If multiple data protocols are advertised in
the routing protocol<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; Hello, and the routing protocol supports
different topologies for<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; each data protocol, the failing data protoc=
ol
SHOULD no longer be<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; advertised in Hello packets in order to sig=
nal
a lack of connectivity<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>&nbsp;&nbsp; for that protocol.<o:p></o:p></span></font>=
</p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Talking from an MT-IS-IS context where both IPv4-unicast=
 and
IPv6-unicast topologies are enabled (see second paragraph above) on the lin=
k:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>1. Why do we require IS-IS to convey the lack of
connectivity to the neighbor? Doesn&#8217;t BFD on the neighboring router
detect it as well (much faster)?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2. Which field in the IIH is implied here? NLPID or MTID=
 TLV?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>3. Why do we need to modify these fields, which advertise
the configuration and capabilities supported on the link, when a neighbor s=
tate
changes?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>4. Doesn&#8217;t changing these fields in our Hello pack=
et affect
all neighbors on the shared link?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>5. Isn&#8217;t it sufficient to just emulate receiving a
Hello from the neighbor without the corresponding NLPID and MTIDs, which wo=
uld
cause only the failed protocol to re-route around the neighbor, without aff=
ecting
anything else?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
0=2E0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:1=
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font-family:Arial'>-<st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Ajeer Pudiyapura</st1:Perso=
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Hi,

Presently, we do not have any way to gracefully shutdown a BFD session. By looking at the drafts, I
could not find a way by which we could de-couple a BFD session from a registered protocol.

If a user decides to decouple the BFD session from a protocol registered to use the BFD session,
tearing down the BFD session will always causes the protocol to take the adjacency down. For some
administrative reason, if we do decide to decouple the session, we should have a way to do it.

One solution would be that the requestor could probably send a BFD message with a "Diag Code -
Graceful Shutdown" or somesuch alongwith the 'P' bit set. The requestor on receiving the same diag
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I think the admindown state is also for gracefully shutting down a BFD 
session (see 6.7.17. Administrative Control). So the procedure should be 
something like this
1- Requestor sets state to admindown, local diag to the appropriate 
value and sets P bit
2- From 6.7.6 BFD at the other end goes down:
      If received state is AdminDown
          If bfd.SessionState is not Down
              Set bfd.LocalDiag to 3 (Neighbor signaled session down)
              Set bfd.SessionState to Down
3- On receiving F bit the requestor can remove the session if needed.

I think the part which isn't mentioned in the draft is that when a 
session goes down because the remote is admindown, then the protocol 
adjacency should not go down.

Regards,
Reshad.

Satyam Sinha wrote:

>Hi,
>
>Presently, we do not have any way to gracefully shutdown a BFD session. By looking at the drafts, I
>could not find a way by which we could de-couple a BFD session from a registered protocol.
>
>If a user decides to decouple the BFD session from a protocol registered to use the BFD session,
>tearing down the BFD session will always causes the protocol to take the adjacency down. For some
>administrative reason, if we do decide to decouple the session, we should have a way to do it.
>
>One solution would be that the requestor could probably send a BFD message with a "Diag Code -
>Graceful Shutdown" or somesuch alongwith the 'P' bit set. The requestor on receiving the same diag
>code and the 'F' bit set could tear down the session gracefully.
>
>Regards,
>
>-Satyam.
>----------------
>IP Division
>Alcatel USA
>  
>





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This is discussed in the state machine and subsequent textual description.

-DWard


On 3/21/06 8:00 PM, "Reshad Rahman" <rrahman@cisco.com> wrote:

> I think the admindown state is also for gracefully shutting down a BFD
> session (see 6.7.17. Administrative Control). So the procedure should be
> something like this
> 1- Requestor sets state to admindown, local diag to the appropriate
> value and sets P bit
> 2- From 6.7.6 BFD at the other end goes down:
>       If received state is AdminDown
>           If bfd.SessionState is not Down
>               Set bfd.LocalDiag to 3 (Neighbor signaled session down)
>               Set bfd.SessionState to Down
> 3- On receiving F bit the requestor can remove the session if needed.
> 
> I think the part which isn't mentioned in the draft is that when a
> session goes down because the remote is admindown, then the protocol
> adjacency should not go down.
> 
> Regards,
> Reshad.
> 
> Satyam Sinha wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Presently, we do not have any way to gracefully shutdown a BFD session. By
>> looking at the drafts, I
>> could not find a way by which we could de-couple a BFD session from a
>> registered protocol.
>> 
>> If a user decides to decouple the BFD session from a protocol registered to
>> use the BFD session,
>> tearing down the BFD session will always causes the protocol to take the
>> adjacency down. For some
>> administrative reason, if we do decide to decouple the session, we should
>> have a way to do it.
>> 
>> One solution would be that the requestor could probably send a BFD message
>> with a "Diag Code -
>> Graceful Shutdown" or somesuch alongwith the 'P' bit set. The requestor on
>> receiving the same diag
>> code and the 'F' bit set could tear down the session gracefully.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> -Satyam.
>> ----------------
>> IP Division
>> Alcatel USA
>>  
>> 





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Hello

When would an update for draft-ietf-bfd-mpls-02.txt be available?

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Hi Mithra,

On Fri, 31 Mar 2006, Mithra Vasudevan wrote:

> Hello
>
> When would an update for draft-ietf-bfd-mpls-02.txt be available?
>

It will be posted in the next couple of weeks.

rahul

> Best Regards
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