From nobody Mon Aug 10 10:00:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD9301A9027 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:14:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id je9EjzxBhcsF for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5DE61A9025 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:14:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 96132180204; Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) To: tnadeau@lucidvision.com, zali@cisco.com, nobo@cisco.com, akatlas@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, aretana@cisco.com, nobo.akiya.dev@gmail.com, jhaas@pfrc.org Subject: [Technical Errata Reported] RFC7331 (4441) X-PHP-Originating-Script: 6000:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20150810031019.96132180204@rfc-editor.org> Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2015 20:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 10:00:54 -0700 Cc: rui.lin@ericsson.com, rtg-bfd@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTG Area: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection DT" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 03:14:48 -0000 The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7331, "Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Management Information Base". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7331&eid=4441 -------------------------------------- Type: Technical Reported by: Rui Lin Section: 4.5 Original Text ------------- Given bfdSessInterface, bfdSessSrcAddrType, bfdSessSrcAddr, bfdSessDstAddrType, and bfdSessSrcAddrType, the BFD Session IP Mapping Table maps to an associated BFD session found in the bfdSessionTable. Corrected Text -------------- Given bfdSessInterface, bfdSessSrcAddrType, bfdSessSrcAddr, bfdSessDstAddrType, and bfdSessDstAddr, the BFD Session IP Mapping Table maps to an associated BFD session found in the bfdSessionTable. Notes ----- Duplicate bfdSessSrcAddrType but missing bfdSessDstAddr Instructions: ------------- This erratum is currently posted as "Reported". If necessary, please use "Reply All" to discuss whether it should be verified or rejected. When a decision is reached, the verifying party (IESG) can log in to change the status and edit the report, if necessary. -------------------------------------- RFC7331 (draft-ietf-bfd-mib-22) -------------------------------------- Title : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Management Information Base Publication Date : August 2014 Author(s) : T. Nadeau, Z. Ali, N. Akiya Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Tue Aug 11 13:34:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFB81B2A50; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.912 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.912 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z7ynkLdUGyXU; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022631B2A1F; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 98D6318020A; Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) To: rui.lin@ericsson.com, tnadeau@lucidvision.com, zali@cisco.com, nobo@cisco.com Subject: [Errata Held for Document Update] RFC7331 (4441) X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:errata_mail_lib.php From: RFC Errata System Message-Id: <20150811202953.98D6318020A@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Cc: rtg-bfd@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org X-BeenThere: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTG Area: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection DT" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 20:34:27 -0000 The following errata report has been held for document update for RFC7331, "Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Management Information Base". -------------------------------------- You may review the report below and at: http://www.rfc-editor.org/errata_search.php?rfc=7331&eid=4441 -------------------------------------- Status: Held for Document Update Type: Technical Reported by: Rui Lin Date Reported: 2015-08-09 Held by: Alvaro Retana (IESG) Section: 4.5 Original Text ------------- Given bfdSessInterface, bfdSessSrcAddrType, bfdSessSrcAddr, bfdSessDstAddrType, and bfdSessSrcAddrType, the BFD Session IP Mapping Table maps to an associated BFD session found in the bfdSessionTable. Corrected Text -------------- Given bfdSessInterface, bfdSessSrcAddrType, bfdSessSrcAddr, bfdSessDstAddrType, and bfdSessDstAddr, the BFD Session IP Mapping Table maps to an associated BFD session found in the bfdSessionTable. Notes ----- Duplicate bfdSessSrcAddrType but missing bfdSessDstAddr (Alvaro Retana): the MIB Module itself has the correct description. -------------------------------------- RFC7331 (draft-ietf-bfd-mib-22) -------------------------------------- Title : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Management Information Base Publication Date : August 2014 Author(s) : T. Nadeau, Z. Ali, N. Akiya Category : PROPOSED STANDARD Source : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection Area : Routing Stream : IETF Verifying Party : IESG From nobody Wed Aug 19 06:09:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFE61A036D; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:09:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QrAFThiGJgSO; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:09:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7E591A1A7E; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:09:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-multipoint-07.txt X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150819130924.1762.10475.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 06:09:24 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: "RTG Area: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection DT" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:09:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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This draft is a work item of the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection Working Group of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Authors : Lianshu Zheng Reshad Rahman Santosh Pallagatti Mahesh Jethanandani Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bfd-yang-00.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2015-08-19 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-yang/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfd-yang-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Aug 19 10:18:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3929B1A21C7 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:18:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JQ9Cu-mqvcoN for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3592A1A21B6 for ; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 286F71E41D; Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 13:21:25 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: rtg-bfd@ietf.org Subject: BFD Yang document Message-ID: <20150819172124.GJ12359@pfrc.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: X-BeenThere: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTG Area: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection DT" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 17:18:43 -0000 [Wearing my chair hat.] This concludes the closed design team portion of the BFD Yang work. Thanks to all of the members of the design team that got us this far! Continuing discussion on the Yang module should happen on the BFD mailing list. The members of the design team may continue to hold their regular calls to work on the document, but are encouraged to make the invite open to the other BFD Working Group participants. If there is perceived need, the regular calls can be structured as virtual interims. -- Jeff and Nobo ----- Forwarded message from internet-drafts@ietf.org ----- Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:11:10 -0700 From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: rtg-bfd@ietf.org Subject: I-D Action: draft-ietf-bfd-yang-00.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection Working Group of the IETF. Title : Yang Data Model for Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) Authors : Lianshu Zheng Reshad Rahman Santosh Pallagatti Mahesh Jethanandani Greg Mirsky Filename : draft-ietf-bfd-yang-00.txt Pages : 36 Date : 2015-08-19 Abstract: This document defines a YANG data model that can be used to configure and manage Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-yang/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-bfd-yang-00 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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([2001:420:302:1330:205f:6849:b753:4a7b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d13sm18710783pbu.51.2015.08.24.17.40.35 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A144A418-A2BE-4B25-BE7F-AA17B9805ECD" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: [Lime] Call for Adoption: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06 From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BEB9DDB9@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 17:41:50 -0700 Message-Id: <15590A0D-BAF7-4E42-826F-6C5C13258595@gmail.com> References: <8E812CBB-1058-40C0-815F-CF8C008F0582@cisco.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112218ABD6B@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BEB9DDB9@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> To: "Varma, Eve L (Eve)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: "Carlos Pignataro \(cpignata\)" , rtg-bfd@ietf.org, "lime@ietf.org" , "draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org" X-BeenThere: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTG Area: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection DT" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2015 00:40:42 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A144A418-A2BE-4B25-BE7F-AA17B9805ECD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Agree with Greg. I have particular concern about this statement in the draft: All implementations that follow the YANG framework presented in this document MUST implement the generic YANG model presented here. This seems to stipulate a requirement that neither YANG as a language = nor any existing technology requires, except maybe CFM itself. Where is = this stipulation coming from and why is it a MUST? > On Aug 24, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Varma, Eve L (Eve) = wrote: >=20 > I concur with Greg=E2=80=99s concerns. > =20 > Best regards, > Eve > =20 > From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Gregory Mirsky > Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 12:33 PM > To: Carlos Pignataro (cpignata); lime@ietf.org > Cc: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org = > Subject: Re: [Lime] Call for Adoption: = draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06 > =20 > I do not support adoption of this document as WG item. > =20 > I believe that until Applicability of Generic YANG Data Model for = layer Independent OAM Management demonstrates that the proposed model = indeed is common among OAM technologies developed at IETF, e.g. IP, = IP/MPLS, MPLS-TP, and TRILL, beyond just YANG customization mechanisms = adopting this draft as WG item is premature. And the applicability = document has not demonstrated that yet as you can see from the attached = comments to the Applicability of the draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model = and couple more generic notes: > Operations, Administration and Maintenance address Fault Management = and Performance Monitoring of the FCAPS. If the scope of the document = does not include both then I suggest not to refer to is as OAM but = perhaps On-demand Continuity Check and Connectivity Verification, i.e. = ping and traceroute, Common YANG model; > section 4 is more about general YANG extensibility than of the = proposed OAM YANG data model; > IP/MPLS OAM not being separated from MPLS-TP OAM; > Performance Monitoring arbitrary being left outside the scope for some = technologies, e.g. Ethernet; > often Service OAM being presented as Transport OAM, e.g. VPLS, NVO3. > =20 > =20 > Regards, > Greg > =20 > From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org = ] On Behalf Of Carlos Pignataro (cpignata) > Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 1:12 PM > To: lime@ietf.org > Cc: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org = > Subject: [Lime] Call for Adoption: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06 > =20 > LIME, >=20 > This email starts a two-week poll on adopting = draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06 [1] as a LIME working group item. >=20 > Please send comments to the list and state if you support adoption or = not (in the later case, please also state the reasons). >=20 > This poll runs until ** August 24th, 2015 **. >=20 > We are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to this = draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR = rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details). >=20 > *If you are listed as a document author or contributor*, please = respond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any = relevant IPR. >=20 > The draft will not be adopted until a response has been received from = each author and contributor. >=20 > If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then please = explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet = been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > Ron Bonica / Carlos Pignataro > LIME co-chairs >=20 > [1] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model/ = > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Lime mailing list > Lime@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime = Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_A144A418-A2BE-4B25-BE7F-AA17B9805ECD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Agree with Greg.

I have particular concern about this statement in the = draft:

All =
implementations that follow the YANG framework presented in this
   document MUST implement the generic YANG model presented =
here.

This = seems to stipulate a requirement that neither YANG as a language nor any = existing technology requires, except maybe CFM itself. Where is this = stipulation coming from and why is it a MUST?

On Aug 24, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Varma, Eve L (Eve) <eve.varma@alcatel-lucent.com> wrote:

I concur with Greg=E2=80=99s concerns.
 
Best regards,
Eve
 
From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Gregory = Mirsky
Sent: Friday, August 21, 2015 = 12:33 PM
To: Carlos Pignataro = (cpignata); lime@ietf.org
Cc: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Lime] Call for = Adoption: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06
 
I do not support = adoption of this document as WG item.
 
I believe that until = Applicability of Generic YANG Data Model for layer Independent OAM = Management demonstrates that the proposed model indeed is common among = OAM technologies developed at IETF, e.g. IP, IP/MPLS, MPLS-TP, and = TRILL, beyond just YANG customization mechanisms adopting this draft as = WG item is premature. And the applicability document has not = demonstrated that yet as you can see from the attached comments to the =  Applicability of the draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model and couple = more generic notes:
  • Operations, Administration and Maintenance address Fault = Management and Performance Monitoring of the FCAPS. If the scope of the = document does not include both then I suggest not to refer to is as OAM = but perhaps On-demand Continuity Check and Connectivity Verification, = i.e. ping and traceroute, Common YANG model;
  • section 4 is more about = general YANG extensibility than of the proposed OAM YANG data model;
  • IP/MPLS OAM not being = separated from MPLS-TP OAM;
  • Performance Monitoring arbitrary being left outside the scope = for some technologies, e.g. Ethernet;
    • often Service OAM being presented as Transport OAM, e.g. = VPLS, NVO3.
 
 
Regards,
        Greg
 
From: Lime [mailto:lime-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of Carlos = Pignataro (cpignata)
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2015 = 1:12 PM
To: lime@ietf.org
Cc: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model@tools.ietf.org
Subject: [Lime] Call for Adoption: = draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06
 
LIME,

This email starts a = two-week poll on adopting draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06 [1] as = a LIME working group item.

Please send = comments to the list and state if you support adoption or not (in = the later case, please also state the reasons).

This poll runs until ** August 24th, 2015 **.
We are also polling for knowledge of any IPR that applies to = this draft, to ensure that IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more = details).

*If you are listed as a document = author or contributor*, please respond to this email and indicate = whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR.

The draft will not be adopted until a response has been = received from each author and contributor.

If you are not listed as an author or contributor, then = please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has = not yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

Thank you,

Ron = Bonica / Carlos Pignataro
LIME co-chairs

[1] http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model= /
 
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([2001:420:302:1330:205f:6849:b753:4a7b]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t15sm25712433pbs.10.2015.08.26.14.09.34 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Subject: Re: [Lime] Call for Adoption: draft-tissa-lime-yang-oam-model-06 From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <55DBC076.9010701@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 14:10:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8E812CBB-1058-40C0-815F-CF8C008F0582@cisco.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112218ABD6B@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <6D32668528F93D449A073F45707153D8BEB9DDB9@US70UWXCHMBA03.zam.alcatel-lucent.com> <15590A0D-BAF7-4E42-826F-6C5C13258595@gmail.com> <55DBC076.9010701@gmail.com> To: Tom Taylor X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: rtg-bfd@ietf.org, lime@ietf.org X-BeenThere: rtg-bfd@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "RTG Area: Bidirectional Forwarding Detection DT" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2015 21:09:38 -0000 [Adding BFD mailing list back because this decision affects them] Tom, I was hoping for a rational that went beyond =E2=80=9Cand you shall = =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D Something along the lines of why /lime/bfd is better than /lime -> /bfd. = Or why almost all configuration models for BFD that currently work just = fine, now have to start supporting CFM like semantics in Maintenance = Domain (MD), Maintenance Association (MA) or Maintenance Endpoint (MEP) = configuration to realize a BFD session. You might find a similar discussion around the devices YANG model = germane to this thought process. In particular, the thread titled "issue = Y34 - root node" on the netmod mailing list. Cheers. > On Aug 24, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Tom Taylor = wrote: >=20 > It comes from making the making the draft Standards Track. If you = claim to implement the ultimate RFC, this is a logical consequence, just = as for any other Standards Track RFC. >=20 > Tom Taylor >=20 > On 24/08/2015 8:41 PM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >> Agree with Greg. >>=20 >> I have particular concern about this statement in the draft: >>=20 >> All implementations that follow the YANG framework presented in this >> document MUST implement the generic YANG model presented here. >>=20 >>=20 >> This seems to stipulate a requirement that neither YANG as a language >> nor any existing technology requires, except maybe CFM itself. Where = is >> this stipulation coming from and why is it a MUST? >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Lime mailing list > Lime@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lime Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com From nobody Wed Aug 26 18:56:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-bfd@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD1801B384D; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:56:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.611 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.611 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_44=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ukAPb7X1NLvF; Wed, 26 Aug 2015 18:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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