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Changed milestone "Submit the the document on BFD point-to-multipoint support
to the IESG to be considered as a Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done".

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection WG of the IETF.

        Title           : BFD for VXLAN
        Authors         : Santosh Pallagatti
                          Sudarsan Paragiri
                          Vengada Prasad Govindan
                          Mallik Mudigonda
                          Greg Mirsky
	Filename        : draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-07.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2019-05-17

Abstract:
   This document describes the use of the Bidirectional Forwarding
   Detection (BFD) protocol in point-to-point Virtual eXtensible Local
   Area Network (VXLAN) tunnels forming up an overlay network.


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The IESG has received a request from the Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
WG (bfd) to consider the following document: - 'BFD for VXLAN'
  <draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-07.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final
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Abstract


   This document describes the use of the Bidirectional Forwarding
   Detection (BFD) protocol in point-to-point Virtual eXtensible Local
   Area Network (VXLAN) tunnels forming up an overlay network.




The file can be obtained via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan/ballot/

The following IPR Declarations may be related to this I-D:

   https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3193/



The document contains these normative downward references.
See RFC 3967 for additional information: 
    rfc7348: Virtual eXtensible Local Area Network (VXLAN): A Framework for Overlaying Virtualized Layer 2 Networks over Layer 3 Networks (Informational - Independent Submission Editor stream)




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Reviewer: Jürgen Schönwälder
Review result: Has Issues

I only have a very limited understanding of VXLAN ands BFD technology.
Hence, some of my question may look odd to the insiders.

- RFC 7348 defining VXLAN is informational, why would BFD for VXLAN be
  standards track?

- Section 2.1 "Terminology" expands acronyms but it does say where
  these "terms" are actually defined. Some pointers to the relevant
  RFCs may be useful.

- Section 3 starts talking about VNI numbers but acronym VNI has not
  been introduced before. I assume VNI = VXLAN Network Identifier.

- I am not familiar with VXLAN but I wonder how the endpoints
  addresses are obtained in practice. This BFD document says for
  example "The details of how the MAC address of the destination VTEP
  is obtained are outside the scope of this document." Well, OK, but
  how does this work? Is there a document where this is explained?
  Well, I am actually less concerned about how the inner address is
  obtained, I think I am more urgently missing how the VTEP determines
  the remote tunnel endpoint address.

- Why do you need a special MAC address? The text says I can use this
  address or the address of the destination VTEP but there is no
  reasoning when to use what or why a dedicated address is needed.

- What is a 'reasonable upper bound' on the number of BFD sessions
  that can be created between the same pair of VTEPs? 1? 2? 8? 64?
  256? 4096? How does the choice of this upper bound impact security?

- Which BFD mode is assumed to be used, asynchronous or demand? Or
  does this not matter for this usage of BFD, i.e., both work just
  fine and will be interoperable?

- Why is echo BFD outside the scope of this document? Can I just turn
  on echo mode or will extra specifications be needed?


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Reviewer: Joel Halpern
Review result: Has Issues

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The
Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as
they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special
request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs.
For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would
be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call
comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by
updating the draft.

Document: ddraft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-07
Reviewer: your-name
Review Date: date
IETF LC End Date: date-if-known
Intended Status: copy-from-I-D

Summary: This document does not appear to be ready for publication as a
Proposed Standard RFC.

Major issues:
    The scoping of the BFD usage is unclear.  In places, this looks like it is
    intended to be used by the underlay service provider,  who will monitor the
    connectivity between VTEPs.  In other places it seems to be aimed at
    monitoring individual VNIs. This is made worse when the packet format is
    laid out.  The inner packet is an Ethernet Packet with an IP packet (with
    UDP, with BFD).  This means that it is a tenant packet.  The IP address is
    a tenant IP.  But the diagram shows this as being the IP address of the
    VTEP.  Which is not a tenant entity.
   There is further confusion as to whether the processing is driven by the VNI
   the packet arrived with, or the VNI is ignored.

Minor Issues:
   N/A

Nits: N/A


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Reviewer: Erik Kline
Review result: On the Right Track

I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
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Document: draft-ietf-bfd-vxlan-07
Reviewer: Erik Kline
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IETF LC End Date: 2019-05-31
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Summary:

If my understanding is correct (which it may well not be), this document
places restrictions on the inner Ethernet and IP layer deployment that
previously may not have been present.

My reading if this document is that the outer IP header and the inner IP
header have the same VTEP src and dst IPs.  The outer and inner Ethernet
headers have the same source MAC and may have the same dst MAC. Is this
correct?

If so, this would mean that the VTEP's MAC address (or the special dest MAC)
cannot be used within the VXLAN network (or at least not on the same host.
Similarly, it appears that the VTEP's IP addresses are no longer free to
be used within the encapsulated VXLAN VNI. Do I understand this correctly?
Was this always the case?

If there is a document defining restrictions that VTEPs place on the
inner VXLAN segment, that might be good to reference.

Failing that, I think I would like to see some discussion of alternatives
that were rejected with reasons behind their rejection.

One possible solution might be to use "impossible" Ethernet addresses and
"impossible" IP addresses in the inner packet.  For example, a source
IP address of all ones or all zeros would be very unlikely to ever be a
valid IP packet.  I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect that a source MAC of
all ones would also never really be treated as valid.  Clever use of
multicast IP and Ethernet addresses in the source fields might also be
sufficient to render the inner packet "invalid" in the sense that it would
never collide with legitimate traffic.

If I have misread this document, or VTEPs are already placing constraints
on the inner VXLAN environment similar to those above, then this review
should instead be treated as "Ready with Nits".

Major issues:

Only my concern/misunderstanding described above.

Minor issues:

None.

Nits/editorial comments:

* The document generally does a really good job of Expanding Acronyms
  At First Use (EAAFU) -- very much appreciated. In section 1 though,
  NVE is used without accompanying expansion, I think.

* There is no 4.2 so maybe sections 4 and 4.1 could just be section 4.



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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7130,
"Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) on Link Aggregation Group (LAG) Interfaces".

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu>

Section: 1

Original Text
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While there are native Ethernet mechanisms to detect failures 
(802.1ax, .3ah)

Corrected Text
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While there are native Ethernet mechanisms to detect failures 
(802.1AX, 802.3ah)

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ax should be capitalized.

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RFC7130 (draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-04)
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Title               : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) on Link Aggregation Group (LAG) Interfaces
Publication Date    : February 2014
Author(s)           : M. Bhatia, Ed., M. Chen, Ed., S. Boutros, Ed., M. Binderberger, Ed., J. Haas, Ed.
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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The following errata report has been submitted for RFC7130,
"Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) on Link Aggregation Group (LAG) Interfaces".

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Type: Editorial
Reported by: Anoop Ghanwani <anoop@alumni.duke.edu>

Section: 2.3

Original Text
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Micro-BFD packets SHOULD always be sent untagged.  However, when the
LAG is operating in the context of IEEE 802.1q or IEEE 802.qinq, 

Corrected Text
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Micro-BFD packets SHOULD always be sent untagged.  However, when the
LAG is operating in the context of IEEE 802.1Q or IEEE 802.1ad, 

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q should be capitalized.  The IEEE standard for QinQ is IEEE 802.1ad.

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RFC7130 (draft-ietf-bfd-on-lags-04)
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Title               : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (BFD) on Link Aggregation Group (LAG) Interfaces
Publication Date    : February 2014
Author(s)           : M. Bhatia, Ed., M. Chen, Ed., S. Boutros, Ed., M. Binderberger, Ed., J. Haas, Ed.
Category            : PROPOSED STANDARD
Source              : Bidirectional Forwarding Detection
Area                : Routing
Stream              : IETF
Verifying Party     : IESG


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Reviewer: Olivier Bonaventure
Review result: Ready with Issues

This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team's
ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written
primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's
authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the IETF
discussion list for information.

When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this
review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC
tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review.

I have only limited knowledge of VXLAN and do not know all subtleties of BFD.
This review is thus more from a generalist than a specialist in this topic.

Major issues

Section 4 requires that " Implementations SHOULD ensure that the BFD
   packets follow the same lookup path as VXLAN data packets within the
   sender system."

Why is this requirement only relevant for the lookup path on the sender system
? What does this sentence really implies ?

Is it a requirement that the BFD packets follow the same path as the data
packet for a given VXLAN ? I guess so. In this case, the document should
discuss how Equal Cost Multipath could affect this.

Minor issues

Section 1

You write "The asynchronous mode of BFD, as defined in [RFC5880],
 can be used to monitor a p2p VXLAN tunnel."

Why do you use the word can ? It is a possibility or a requirement ?

NVE has not been defined before and is not in the terminology.

This entire section is not easy to read for an outsider.

Section 3

VNI has not been defined

Figure 1 could take less space

Section 4

I do not see the benefits of having one paragraph in Section 4 followed by only
Section 4.1

Section 4.1

The document does not specify when a dedicated MAC address or the MAC address
of the destination VTEP must be used. This could affect the interoperability of
implementations. Should all implementations support both the dedicated MAC
address and the destination MAC address ?

It is unclear from this section whether IPv4 inside IPv6 and the opposite
should be supported or not.

Section 5.

If the received packet does not match the dedicated MAC address nor the MAC
address of the VTEP, should the packet be silently discarded or treated
differently ?

Section 5.1

Is this a modification to section 6.3 of RFC5880 ? This is not clear

Section 9

The sentence " Throttling MAY be relaxed for BFD packets
   based on port number." is unclear.


