From nobody Sun Jan 3 08:16:08 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20A53A0B37; Sun, 3 Jan 2021 08:16:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.197 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.197 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=googlemail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QU2xY9e7JYti; Sun, 3 Jan 2021 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vs1-xe30.google.com (mail-vs1-xe30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::e30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F3F13A0ABE; Sun, 3 Jan 2021 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vs1-xe30.google.com with SMTP id b23so13215456vsp.9; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 08:16:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EAhahvZ0GCMxAbZHlz9Swd899RPQVNnBA83pOJtvM0A=; b=A3W1sWS5yhjxfzKqFICHx3PNMNYsb1Puw2TPoFS0gwupNiLClOaL5t1r1LjMvNNkDA 5M+aqpuOLkwCKwSt0nimFzPu7EQD9KR+HQ3/bbrfjlgABH6LpG9q3hYBceqgzyYfLtIS ik+OrMYcTWx+pbCMfsnuuBL6oWJo+06KhYi7sf6ZS0qIyWA2qAR9GasT69WFoZ6+9LhX 5rnW7l4RzZ5GC5f+IWwhnTAwqCPcXMbmmNb2o5qSMwQ8h6oWtzeLIOCyEWWCB0QsNOfv nbzl7s/AzFE4ZYzfplCi6VBflswIvQ8Rc/ZgAtZcpm8It5NSAOMn1jFH2d7HHwBNQO/P fpzw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EAhahvZ0GCMxAbZHlz9Swd899RPQVNnBA83pOJtvM0A=; b=XU0F2dmUkU1EJ08hD18CoIHtqAxLbKfh1d7/QUOqRCO62sVBMF5+fqQnld+jjccXc/ NvPBhP8rTuLPabNzTbWWODh+tUaXblpOCNrsNEoUSQgRBb+Xsbek65Nk5sboYSP7J1XG mq+MNdNBoM3RDINViwmxL2VT25zOK2ivJg5YZyCcbidE/Dv59wn95HCr0WBe/fACmge7 Y8jfbwzdkwQ89OyG78kBffJbyVkMKUgUVN7ForDj3mAdE2TAqmuQEWFDwjsuQDDMBsle EfQVL0VZttbq1JCXmXADsw87wlbopBTQnVeAEO20e/W6jprUbrfYRlysoODgHvHsLoBF DVAA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531OdamCRBgFsjndsm5oyan//CV+SxHq9ek7LFvVg6unZg5oJEkZ jN99L1lG2BDp4+nEqTvUMBo7BmmrLlPRniPVa0Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwucD1D4gHpsRkaaXKhGn0mlNYamkaMML72NyYAcIpz6NurklXVOOnaferJALA/U4ezQBh6kVpTLt1U5RCHjXc= X-Received: by 2002:a67:70c6:: with SMTP id l189mr40683045vsc.34.1609690559977; Sun, 03 Jan 2021 08:15:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <160917958338.19537.15496707626331067977@ietfa.amsl.com> <18acc256-8dbd-aa40-be11-b069c4b5786d@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <18acc256-8dbd-aa40-be11-b069c4b5786d@gmail.com> From: Ines Robles Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 18:15:24 +0200 Message-ID: To: Brian E Carpenter Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000006a45805b8014a2c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-carpenter-eligibility-expand-08 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2021 16:16:06 -0000 --00000000000006a45805b8014a2c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ok, thank you very much for the clarifications. Best wishes for the 2021 for you too, BR, Ines On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:59 PM Brian E Carpenter < brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote: > Ines, > > Thanks for the review. > > On 29-Dec-20 07:19, Ines Robles via Datatracker wrote: > ... > > Nits: > > > > 1-Abstract: > > > > apply to one, or at most two, Nominating Committee cycles -> should be > added > > consecutive cycles? > > OK > > > > > 2-Section 1: > > > > It would be nice to expand the first time NomCom --> NomCom (Nominating > > Committee) > > OK > > > > > 3-Section 2: > > > > the IESG must consult the 2021-2022 Nominating Committee chair and the > > 2020-2021 Nominating Committee chair and publish a report --> the IESG > must > > consult the 2021-2022 Nominating Committee chair and publish a report > > We want to consult the previous Chair too, because they are automatically > in the next committee and are well-placed to compare the old and new > procedures. > > > > > 4-Section 4: > > > > Has been a Working Group Chair or Secretary within .... -> ... IETF/IRTF > > Working Group Chair or Secretary? > > This is the IETF NomCom so why would IRTF experience help? > > > nomcom -> NomCom > > OK > > Best wishes for 2021! > > Brian > --00000000000006a45805b8014a2c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, thank you very much for the clarifications.

Best wishes for the 2021 for you too,

BR,= =C2=A0
Ines

On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 11:59 PM Brian E Carpent= er <brian.e.carpenter@gma= il.com> wrote:
Ines,

Thanks for the review.

On 29-Dec-20 07:19, Ines Robles via Datatracker wrote:
...
> Nits:
>
> 1-Abstract:
>
> apply to one, or at most two, Nominating Committee cycles -> should= be added
> consecutive cycles?

OK

>
> 2-Section 1:
>
> It would be nice to expand the first time NomCom --> NomCom (Nomina= ting
> Committee)

OK

>
> 3-Section 2:
>
> the IESG must consult the 2021-2022 Nominating Committee chair and the=
> 2020-2021 Nominating Committee chair and publish a report --> the I= ESG must
> consult the 2021-2022 Nominating Committee chair and publish a report<= br>
We want to consult the previous Chair too, because they are automatically in the next committee and are well-placed to compare the old and new
procedures.

>
> 4-Section 4:
>
> Has been a Working Group Chair or Secretary within .... -> ... IETF= /IRTF
> Working Group Chair or Secretary?

This is the IETF NomCom so why would IRTF experience help?

> nomcom -> NomCom

OK

Best wishes for 2021!

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian
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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Happy New Year! Many thanks Harish for the RtgDir review. Please see replies inline with =85 From: Harish Sitaraman Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:07 PM To: rtg-ads@ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org , draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir.a= ll@ietf.org , pce@ietf.org <= pce@ietf.org> Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir-09.txt Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir. Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir-09.txt Reviewer: Harish Sitaraman Review Date: 30 December 2020 IETF LC End Date: 8 January 2021 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that should be considered prior to publication. Comments: This document is clearly written. It required a closer read due to sentences that appear similar but differ on PCC/PCE (initiated/delegated). Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: Section 3.1 and 3.2: The last paragraphs refers to =93As specified in [RFC8537]=94 for the FRR procedures. From the title of the referred RFC, it appears to be for co-routed LSPs though from the RFC sections 2.2.1/2.2.2, it is applicable for regular single-sided and double-sided LSPs too. Since this draft opts to mention FRR procedures and refers to RFC 8537 unchanged, would it be better to update section 3.3 too? We can add following sentence in Section 3.3. The procedure specified in [RFC8537] for fast reroute bypass tunnel assignm= ent is also applicable to the Co-routed Associated Bidirectional LSPs. Section 3.2.1: For readability, it might be better to clarify =93Both endpoint (PCC) nodes report the forward LSP1 and LSP2 to the PCE.=94 as done in earlier section 3.1 to specifically call out reporting LSP1 by node A and LSP2 by node D. The sentence as is can be read as both nodes report both LSPs. Ok. Both endpoint (PCC) nodes report the forward LSP1 and LSP2 to the PCE. The endpoint node A (PCC) reports the forward LSP1 and endpoint node D repo= rts the forward LSP2 to the PCE. Section 4.1: =93A Bidirectional LSP Association SHOULD NOT have more than two unidirectional LSPs.=94 - it seems like this should be MUST NOT. Is there a reason why it shouldn=92t be? During MBB, there can be more than one LSP. May be we should remove th= is sentence as it can be confusing. Section 4.1: Were there any early allocation of IANA code points for this draft? I=92m asking in relation to section 6.1 though technically this is outside the scope of this document. No IANA code-points were allocated. Section 4.2: Is the F flag set if the forward LSP is not co-routed? If yes, an explicit statement will help, similar to how the C/R flags are clarified. We can add following sentence: O When "Bidirectional LSP Association Group TLV" is present, the F flag MU= ST be set for the forward LSP for both co-routed and non co-routed LSPs. Section 6.1: It is unclear what is the use of this section as there aren=92t any details on the level of support or potential backwards compatibility issues once IANA assigns code points. I understand how that might be out of scope of this document, but I can=92t find any use for this section as is. Maybe the section is a need from the WG perspective. No IANA code-points were allocated. This section will be removed befor= e publication. Nits: Section 5.7: =93Associations defined in this document and it does not support; the=94=85 misplaced ; instead of comma. Better to remove =93and it does not support;=94. If a PCEP speaker receives a different PST value for the Bidirectional LSP Associations than defined in this document, the PCE speaker MUST return a PCErr message with Error-Type =3D 26 (Association Error) and Error-Value =3D TBD6 (Bidirectional LSP Association - Path Setup Type Not Supported). Section 4.1: "Similarly, for both PCE Initiated and PCC Initiated single-sided case, these associations are also dynamically created on thee remote endpoint node using the information received from the RSVP message from the originating node." =3D> s/thee/the. In the first pass, I read it as three and was wondering if there is a 3rd endpoint node :-). Yes, will fix =91thee=92 to =91the=92. Thanks, Rakesh -- Harish --_000_DM6PR11MB3115A64EC97454314733F1AFBFD20DM6PR11MB3115namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Happy New Year!

 

Many thanks Harish = for the RtgDir review. Please see replies inline with <RG>=85

 

 

From: Harish Sitaraman &l= t;harish.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:07 PM
To: rtg-ads@ietf.org <rtg-ads@ietf.org>
Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org <rtg-dir@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-pce-associ= ation-bidir.all@ietf.org <draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir.all@ietf.org&= gt;, pce@ietf.org <pce@ietf.org>
Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir-09.txt=

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this
draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or
routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG
review. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the
Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate,
please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir.

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs,
it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other
IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them
through discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-pce-association-bidir-09.txt
Reviewer: Harish Sitaraman
Review Date: 30 December 2020
IETF LC End Date: 8 January 2021
Intended Status: Standards Track

Summary:
This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that
should be considered prior to publication.

Comments:
This document is clearly written. It required a closer read due to
sentences that appear similar but differ on PCC/PCE (initiated/delegated).<= br>
Major Issues:
No major issues found.

Minor Issues:
Section 3.1 and 3.2: The last paragraphs refers to =93As specified in
[RFC8537]=94 for the FRR procedures. From the title of the referred RFC, it appears to be for co-routed LSPs though from the RFC sections
2.2.1/2.2.2, it is applicable for regular single-sided and
double-sided LSPs too. Since this draft opts to mention FRR procedures
and refers to RFC 8537 unchanged, would it be better to update section
3.3 too?

 

<RG> We can add following sentence in Section 3= .3.

The procedure specified in [RFC8537] for fast reroute bypa= ss tunnel assignment is also applicable to the Co-routed Associated Bidirectional LSPs.


Section 3.2.1: For readability, it might be better to clarify =93Both
endpoint (PCC) nodes report the forward LSP1 and LSP2 to the PCE.=94 as
done in earlier section 3.1 to specifically call out reporting LSP1 by
node A and LSP2 by node D. The sentence as is can be read as both
nodes report both LSPs.

 

<RG> Ok.=

<Old>

Both endpoint (PCC) nodes report the =
forward LSP1 and LSP2 to the PCE.  
 

<New>

The endpoint node A (PCC) reports the=
 forward LSP1 and endpoint node D reports the forward LSP2 to the PCE. =
;


Section 4.1: =93A Bidirectional LSP Association SHOULD NOT have more
than two unidirectional LSPs.=94 - it seems like this should be MUST
NOT. Is there a reason why it shouldn=92t be?

 

<RG> During M= BB, there can be more than one LSP. May be we should remove this sentence a= s it can be confusing.

 

Section 4.1: Were there any early allocation of IANA= code points for
this draft? I=92m asking in relation to section 6.1 though technically
this is outside the scope of this document.

 

<RG> No IANA = code-points were allocated.


Section 4.2: Is the F flag set if the forward LSP is not co-routed? If
yes, an explicit statement will help, similar to how the C/R flags are
clarified.

<RG> We can a= dd following sentence:

O  When "Bidirectional LSP =
Association Group TLV" is present, the F flag MUST be set for the forw=
ard LSP for both co-routed and non co-routed LSPs.

Section 6.1: It is unclear what is the use of this s= ection as there
aren=92t any details on the level of support or potential backwards
compatibility issues once IANA assigns code points. I understand how
that might be out of scope of this document, but I can=92t find any use
for this section as is. Maybe the section is a need from the WG
perspective.

<RG> No IANA = code-points were allocated. This section will be removed before publication= .

 

Nits:

Section 5.7: =93Associations defined in this document and it does not
support; the=94=85 misplaced ; instead of comma. Better to remove =93and it=
does not support;=94.

 

<RG> <New&= gt;

   If a PCEP
   speaker receives a diffe=
rent PST value for the Bidirectional LSP
   Associations than define=
d in this document, the
   PCE speaker MUST return =
a PCErr message with Error-Type =3D 26
   (Association Error) and =
Error-Value =3D TBD6 (Bidirectional LSP
   Association - Path Setup=
 Type Not Supported).

 


Section 4.1: "Similarly, for both PCE Initiated and PCC Initiated
single-sided case, these associations are also dynamically created on
thee remote endpoint node using the information received from the RSVP
message from the originating node." =3D> s/thee/the. In the first p= ass,
I read it as three and was wondering if there is a 3rd endpoint node
:-).

 

<RG> Yes, wil= l fix =91thee=92 to =91the=92.

 

Thanks,

Rakesh

 


--
Harish

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<161033978589.32464.13294259108668741988@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Mike McBride Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 20:36:25 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-rift-applicability-03 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 04:36:26 -0000 Reviewer: Mike McBride Review result: Not Ready Document: draft-ietf-rift-applicability-03 Reviewer: Mike McBride Review Date: 1/10/2021 Intended Status: Informational Review result: Has Issues I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Summary: Helpful informational document which has issues to be addressed before wglc. Concerns: -It could be helpful to give a brief description of why RIFT should not be used in traditional, non Clos, Fat Tree environments to help in understanding the applicability. -Unless it's not the intention of the draft to do so, the benefits of RIFT need to be more clearly described. Perhaps just add a sentence or two to each of the listed benefits. Or don't list all of the benefits and punt to the RIFT document. -The Clos, Fat Trees concepts, and *many* acronyms, should be simply and clearly defined (or referenced) even with assuming the reader is familiar with the terms and concepts. Punting is not good here. -Where's the security section? Nits: -"There are a bunch of more advantages...". Remove bunch: "There are more advantages...". -"RIFT is largely driven by demands...". What kind of demands? 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with ESMTPSA id 4BF8D328C60; Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:46:43 +0100 (CET) From: Loa Andersson To: rtg-ads@ietf.org Cc: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn.all@ietf.org, DetNet WG , Loa Andersson , "rtg-dir@ietf.org" Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 13:46:39 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------553F086BAA5DC38B1B8F1A05" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 05:46:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------553F086BAA5DC38B1B8F1A05 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​ http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn Reviewer: Loa Andersson Review Date: date IETF LC End Date: - Intended Status: Informational Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. The draft is well and clearly written and addresses a real issue, the relationship between the MPLS layer flow and a TSN flow, Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Nits: I found very few nits, mostly typos and suggestion for the abbreviation list. 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Adbtw+JwWsnSISvsQSyWqOK4PfyTog== Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-05 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 18:01:13 -0000 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. = The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related = drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and = sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide = assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing = Directorate, please see = =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it = would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF = Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through = discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-05 Reviewer: Russ White Review Date: 18 Jan 2021 IETF LC End Date: 22 Jan 2021 Intended Status: Informational Summary: This document is basically ready for publication, but has nits that = should be considered prior to publication. Comments: This draft is well written and contains use cases and information on = supporting those use cases for IP over time sensitive networking. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. Nits: One small nit. =3D=3D TSN capabilities of the TSN sub-network are made available for IP = (DetNet) flows via the protocol interworking function desribed desribed/described =3D=3D This is good work -- thanks! :-) /r From nobody Tue Jan 19 02:07:12 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1743C3A13F8; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 02:07:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NdZJm3xWtk1Y; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 02:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from frasgout.his.huawei.com (frasgout.his.huawei.com [185.176.79.56]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 450353A13F4; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 02:07:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from fraeml709-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.147.200]) by frasgout.his.huawei.com (SkyGuard) with ESMTP id 4DKkl071j9z67cKl; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:03:56 +0800 (CST) Received: from fraeml798-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.19) by fraeml709-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.37) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:07:04 +0100 Received: from fraeml798-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.19) by fraeml798-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256) id 15.1.2106.2; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:07:04 +0100 Received: from DGGEML421-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.38) by fraeml798-chm.china.huawei.com (10.206.15.19) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA) id 15.1.2106.2 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 11:07:04 +0100 Received: from DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.8.117]) by dggeml421-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0509.000; Tue, 19 Jan 2021 18:06:59 +0800 From: "Pengshuping (Peng Shuping)" To: "Pritchard, Victoria" , "rtg-ads@ietf.org" CC: "rtg-dir@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller.all@ietf.org" , "pce@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-09 Thread-Index: AdbYYu6jez1B0/kqRgKNGrC7vnnkjwV0ES7A Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:06:59 +0000 Message-ID: <4278D47A901B3041A737953BAA078ADE197F4AF0@DGGEML532-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.153.194.142] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-09 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 10:07:10 -0000 Hi Victoria,=20 Many thanks for your review. Please find the diff which reflects the change= s we have made following your suggestions.=20 https://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Ddraft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce= -controller-09&url2=3Dhttps://raw.githubusercontent.com/dhruvdhody/ietf/mas= ter/draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-10.txt Please find our responses in line below.=20 Best regards,=20 Shuping From: Pritchard, Victoria [mailto:victoria.pritchard@airbus.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, December 22, 2020 9:16 PM To: rtg-ads@ietf.org Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller.all@= ietf.org; pce@ietf.org Subject: RtgDir review: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-09 Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft: PC= EP Procedures and Protocol Extensions for Using PCE as a Central Controller= (PCECC) of LSPs.=20 The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related draf= ts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on sp= ecial request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Ro= uting ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see h= ttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo= uld be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Ca= ll comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion= or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-pce-pcep-extension-for-pce-controller-09 Reviewer: Victoria Pritchard Review Date: 22/12/2020 IETF LC End Date:=20 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resol= ved before publication. Comments: =A0 =A0 The draft is generally very good and the diagrams are also very hel= pful.=20 [Shuping] Thank you!=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0A few sections may initially cause a reader to be confused. I h= ave suggested some reorganisation of the text in case this is helpful.=20 =A0=A0=A0=A0I also found a few things which were unclear, which could be cl= arified in the document, and have included questions in the Minor issues se= ction. [Shuping] Thanks for providing such detailed comments with suggested text. = Much appreciated! Major Issues: =A0 =A0 No major issues found. Minor Issues: Section 5.4: I got confused reading this - the first part isn't clear but t= hen extra information is given, but it would be better to be clear from the= start... Here is some suggested text:=20 --- During the PCEP Initialization Phase, PCEP Speakers (PCE or PCC) advertise = their support of and willingness to use PCEP extensions for PCECC using the= se elements in the OPEN message: =A0 =A0o =A0A new Path Setup Type (PST) in the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY T= LV to indicate support for PCEP extensions for PCECC - TBD1 (Path is set up= via PCECC mode) =A0 =A0o =A0A new PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV inside the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPAB= ILITY TLV to indicate willingness to use PCEP extensions for PCECC =A0 =A0o =A0The STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILITY TLV ([RFC8231]) (with the I flag se= t [RFC8281]) The new Path Setup Type is to be listed in the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY T= LV by all PCEP speakers which support the PCEP extensions for PCECC in this= document. The new PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV is included in PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY = TLV in the OPEN object to indicate willingness to use the PCEP extensions f= or PCECC during the established PCEP session. Using flags in this TLV, the = PCE shows the intention to function as a PCECC server, and the PCC shows wi= llingness to act as a PCECC client (see Section 7.1.1). If the PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV is advertised and the STATEFUL-PCE-CAPABILI= TY TLV is not advertised, or is advertised without the I flag set, in the O= PEN Object, the receiver MUST: =A0 =A0o =A0Send a PCErr message with Error-Type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) a= nd Error-value=3DTBD4 (stateful PCE capability was not advertised)=20 =A0 =A0o =A0Terminate the session The PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV SHOULD NOT be used without the corresponding P= ath Setup Type being listed in the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY TLV. If it is= present without the corresponding Path Setup Type listed in the PATH-SETUP= -TYPE-CAPABILITY TLV, it MUST be ignored. If support and willingness are indicated by the PCE, but not by the PCC, th= e PCE MUST: =A0 =A0o =A0Send a PCErr message with Error-Type 10 (Reception of an invali= d object) and Error-Value TBD2 (Missing PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV) =A0 =A0o =A0Terminate the PCEP session If support and willingness is indicated by the PCC but not the PCE, the PCE= will ignore the capability. Unknown sub-TLVs are ignored in accordance wit= h [RFC8408] and [RFC5440]. If one or both speakers (PCE and PCC) have not indicated support and willin= gness to use the PCEP extensions for PCECC, the PCEP extensions for PCECC M= UST NOT be used. If a PCECC operation is attempted when both speakers have = not agreed in the OPEN messages, the receiver of the message MUST: =A0 =A0o =A0Send a PCErr message with Error-Type=3D19 (Invalid Operation) a= nd Error-Value=3DTBD3 (Attempted PCECC operations when PCECC capability was= not advertised) =A0 =A0o =A0Terminate the PCEP session =A0 [Shuping] Thanks for a detailed suggested text, much appreciated. Note that= the error handling is the same at both PCC and PCE. The description of the= error case of the missing PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV was incorrect which may= have added to the confusion. Please see the updated version. =20 --- Question: If the PCE shows support and willingness, but the PCC doesn't, an= d the session is closed, would the PCE attempt a new session without the us= e of these extensions for PCECC? [Shuping] The session is terminated only if the PCECC operation is attempte= d. Otherwise session is live and non-PCECC operations can go on! Question: If the PCC supports the extension but the PCE doesn't, is there a= lready text elsewhere that says unknown Path Setup Types can be ignored by = the PCE? The suggested text above may be wrong if not. [Shuping] The suggested text is updated now - "A legacy PCEP speaker (that = does not recognize the PCECC Capability sub-TLV) will ignore the sub-TLV in= accordance with [RFC8408] and [RFC5440]." =20 Question: If the PCC does not support the PCECC extensions but the PCE atte= mpted to start a PCECC operation, will the PCC be able to send an error (th= e error mentioned implies support but not willingness)? [Shuping] The error for unknown PST in RFC 8408 will kick in. I have added = text for it. Section 5.5.1 PCE-Initiated PCECC LSP:=20 Again this section seems a bit jumbled, confusing at the start, but with re= -reading becomes clearer. Halfway down this section it says: "Note that the label forwarding instructions (see Section 5.5.3) from =A0 =A0PCECC are sent after the initial PCInitiate and PCRpt message =A0 =A0exchange with the ingress PCC." So the description above this, detailing the LSP-IDENTIFIER TLV and LSP obj= ect within the CCI, is not part of the first message exchange? If there nee= ds to be an initial exchange without CCI first, to get the PLSP-ID etc, to = put in the next set of PCInitiate messages, then this statement should go a= t the beginning of this section, maybe with a reference Figure 1, and state= any differences to the usual exchange. I think from re-reading, it means t= he initial exchange as per RFC 8281 is modified with Path Setup Type set to= TBD1, but still includes an LSP object (reserved PLSP-ID =3D 0, Delegate f= lag, SYMBOLIC-PATH-NAME TLV?) as in section 5.3 RFC 8281? [Shuping] Yes. Updated as per your suggestion. The diagram Figure 1 is really helpful. A few references to it in the descr= iption may help, particularly to indicate the initial exchange, then the CC= I exchanges with all nodes, and describing in chronological order as shown = in the diagram would help. [Shuping] Done. Section 5.5.3.1: What does it mean to "download the label" - does this just= mean to parse the message or does it imply some further processing? [Shuping] It also includes updating the corresponding forwarding tables. Section 5.5.4: This section also seems to be a little out of order. I would= remove the first sentence, start with the "make-before-break" procedure, m= ake it clear these instructions are sent to the transit and egress PCCs fir= st, then to the ingress PCC last. The diagram is again very good. [Shuping] Updated. Section 5.5.9: This is the first mention of the P flag - is this the same P= shown in the earlier diagrams? Should the flag have been mentioned earlier= ? [Shuping] Removed the P flag from figure. Thinking a bit about it is better= if this section is made part of draft-ietf-pce-binding-label-sid. I propos= e to remove the section, we can handle the below comment as part of the oth= er I-D.=20 Again the ordering could be improved. e.g. - PCE could allocate binding label on its own accord for a PCE-initiated or= delegated LSP, and inform the PCC in the PCInitiate message or PCUpd messa= ge by including P=3D1 and TE-PATH-BINDING TLV - PCE could request that the PCC allocates the binding label by setting P= =3D0 in the PCInitiate - If binding label is not supplied in PCInitiate, a PCC could request that = the PCE allocate it by including P=3D1 D=3D1 and TE-PATH-BINDING TLV (with = no Binding Value) in a PCRpt. The PCE would allocate the binding label ...= =20 In the capability exchange sections you mentioned error messages if someone= attempts an operation without declaring support and willingness to use tha= t capability - is there anything similar in case the binding label allocati= on is requested/allocated when the PCECC capability has not been agreed for= the session? [Shuping] See above. Section 7.1.1 PCECC Capability sub-TLV:=20 "Advertisement of the PCECC capability implies support of LSPs that are set= up through PCECC" However, earlier this draft stated that advertisement of the capability is = done using the path setup type, and that this PCECC capability TLV should n= ot be included without the PCECC type also being listed in the Path-Setup-T= ype list (and should be ignored if the path setup type is not listed). So i= n this section we should avoid potential conflict with the earlier statemen= t. Perhaps: "The PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV is an optional TLV for use in the OPEN Object= in the PATH-SETUP-TYPE-CAPABILITY TLV, when the Path Setup Type list inclu= des the PCECC Path Setup Type TBD1. A PCECC-CAPABILITY sub-TLV MUST be igno= red if the PST list does not contain PST=3DTBD1." [Shuping] Updated. Should the new PATH-SETUP-TYPE be mentioned in the OPEN Object section too? [Shuping] Added. To match earlier sections, this section could use the word "willingness" wh= en describing the L bit. [Shuping] Done. Section 7.3: The C bit - does it mean the PCC sets the C bit to indicate it= has allocated the instruction rather than allocated the CC-ID - as far as = I understood it, the CC-ID comes from the PCE? [Shuping] The identifier CC-ID is always allocated by PCE. The C bit indica= tes the label allocation to be done by PCC as prompted by the PCE. I have c= orrected the text. Nits: Section 5.3: Brackets around the reference to section 7.3 seem like they sh= ould be around the rest of the sentence "(see Section 7.3 for the encoding = of the central controller instructions)." [Shuping] Updated to "This document defines a new PCEP object called CCI (S= ection 7.3) to specify the central controller instructions." Section 5.5: Should the Path Setup Type TBD1 be mentioned, to clearly identify that PCEC= C LSP is intended? [Shuping] Updated!=20 The PCEP messages pertaining to a PCECC MUST include PATH-SETUP-TYPE TLV [RFC8408] in the SRP (Stateful PCE Request Parameters) object [RFC8231] with PST set to TBD1 to clearly identify that PCECC LSP is intended. Is the requirement of the PATH-SETUP-TYPE TLV in these messages new? This c= ould be highlighted more clearly if so. [Shuping] Updated! This is the updated statement - "On a PCRpt/PCUpd/PCInit= iate message, the PST=3DTBD1 in the PATH-SETUP-TYPE TLV in the SRP object M= UST be included for a LSP set up via the PCECC-based mechanism." This is the first time "SRP" has been used - should this be expanded? [Shuping] Done! Kind regards, Victoria Pritchard. This email and its attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged i= nformation.=A0 If you have received them in error you must not use, copy or= disclose their content to any person.=A0 Please notify the sender immediat= ely and then delete this email from your system.=A0 This e-mail has been sc= anned for viruses, but it is the responsibility of the recipient to conduct= their own security measures. 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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="------------ms030401090004010809050000" X-Originating-IP: [10.114.13.247] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] RtgDir Review: draft-ietf-roll-unaware-leaves-23 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:38:08 -0000 --------------ms030401090004010809050000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Salut Pascal. Sorry for the late feedback. For the sake of following-up, your responses and I-D updates address my concerns. Please consider the following few nits. A missing coma and a typo in section 4.2.2: OLD =C2=A0=C2=A0 This is the reason why the support =C2=A0=C2=A0 of [RFC8505] by the RUL, as opposed to only [RFC6775] is a =C2=A0=C2=A0 prerequisite for this specification)/; this requirement is f= ully =C2=A0=C2=A0 explained in Section 5.1. NEW =C2=A0=C2=A0 This is the reason why the support =C2=A0=C2=A0 of [RFC8505] by the RUL, as opposed to only [RFC6775], is a =C2=A0=C2=A0 prerequisite for this specification; this requirement is ful= ly =C2=A0=C2=A0 explained in Section 5.1. In section 11: s/the overusing that channel/overusing that channel/=C2=A0= [or "the overuse of that channel"] In Table 5 of section 12.6, the allocation for the [EFFICIENT-NPDAO] work-in-progress should rather be referred to as "to be defined". Thanks, Julien On 18/12/2020 15:11, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > Salut Julien: > > Many thanks for your review! > > I committed the changes that I understood in https://github.com/roll-wg= /roll-unaware-leaves/commit/d029d605fe4dbfa2ff1c444210fa67f923b715e4 > > For your convenience, I also published an update for you to visualize t= he changes: > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-roll-unaware-lea= ves-28 > Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-roll-una= ware-leaves-28 > > Please let me know if there is more to be done. > > For the deep review discussion, please see below. > >> *Comments:* >> >> I am not an LLN expert, but I find the I-D convenient to read thanks t= o the >> appropriate (but numerous) references. I just feel that a few sections= deserve >> some clarification to improve readability and that flag number selecti= on >> doesn't really follow the expected process. > Cool, let's see how we can make things (even =F0=9F=98=89) better. > > =20 >> *Minor Issues:* >> >> - Sorry if ask questions on implicit contexts that are obvious to LLN = people, >> but I am confused in section 3 with that "6LR that acts as a border Ro= uter for >> external routes": does it advertise towards the RPL domain? Does it ta= lk to a >> peer 6LR that is also a RPL Router? Is that particular router necessar= ily the RPL >> Root? > There were similar comments and I already made some changes: > 1) added a picture that hopefully helps here > > ------+--------- > | Internet > | > +-----+ > | | <------------- 6LBR / RPL Root > +-----+ ^ > | | > o o o o | RPL > o o o o o o o o | > o o o o o o o o o o | + > o o o o o o o | > o o o o o o o o o | 6LoWPAN ND > o o o o o o | > o o o o v > o o o <------------- 6LR / RPL Border router > ^ > | 6LoWPAN ND only > v > u <------------- 6LN / RPL-Unaware Leaf > > > To clarify more I changed section 3 as follows: > " > 3. RPL External Routes and Dataplane Artifacts > > RPL was initially designed to build stub networks whereby the only > border router would be the RPL Root (typically collocated with the > 6LBR) and all the nodes in the stub would be RPL-Aware. [RFC6550] > has the provision of external routes with the External 'E' flag in > the Transit Information Option (TIO). External Routes enable to > reach destinations that are outside the RPL domain and connected to > the RPL domain via RPL border routers that are not the route. > Section 4.1 of [USEofRPLinfo] provides a set of rules summarized > below that must be followed for routing packets from and to a > external destinations (targets in RPL parlance). A RUL is a special= > case of external target that is also a host directly connected to th= e > RPL domain. > " > > Does that help? > >> - The text in section 6.2, as well as figures 3 and 4, use the F and P= flags as if >> the bit numbers were defined, though their number is only "suggested" = in the >> IANA section. If no early allocation process happened, it is inappropr= iate to >> assume the to-be-allocated bit number in the body of the document. > At this stage, we already made a pass with Amanda Baber (IANA).=20 > A change would be pure form to be undone by the RFC editor. > >> - Section 6.3 reduces an 8-bit field to a 6 bit value. It would be wor= th >> mentioning that it sounds reasonable because the associated registry r= elies >> on standards action for registration and only values up to 10 are curr= ently >> allocated. > Good point; done. > >> Furthermore, is there an update of that 6-bit space split to map the p= revious >> ranges? If the answer lies in the IANA section, then a few words would= be >> welcome in section 6. > A=C3=AFe, I do not understand the question. We used to map 1 to 1 the N= D status to RPL status, but after a discussion with Alvaro we found that = embedding was better. > > >> *Nits:* >> ------ >> Overall >> --- >> - RPL-[An]aware, RAL and RUL are preceded most of the times by "a" [OK= if >> pronounced "riple", "ral", "rul"], but sometimes by "an" ["are >> pi..."]: please pick one and be consistent. > Done. We say a RPL, a RUL, a RAL, and an RPI. > >> - Any reason why "Host", "Hop" and "Router" are often written with a c= apital >> H/R? > Hum I thought I cleaned that up for the most part. Doing another pass I= do not find much.=20 > I use the uppercase on Hop-by-Hop because that is what RFC 8200 does. S= ame for 6LBR, 6LR, 6BBR, etc... else I used lowercase > > >> - RFC 2119 keywords SHOULD be used more often for an IETF standard tra= ck, >> it sometimes feels that the text is written to circumvent them. >> E.g., section 4.2.1 uses a wording based on "requires... if and only i= f..."; >> section 4.3 describes a behavior without any normative keyword; sectio= n 5.1 >> says "needs to", "is expected not to", "is suggested to"; etc. > There's more here than meet the eye. Remember that we extend existing w= ork in RPL, ND and IPv6. The reason for the wording is that the MUST or S= HOULD is already written in an RFC and we do not want to paraphrase std t= rack text here. > >> ------ >> Section 1. >> --- >> - The phrase "terminate packets" feels odd: is "terminate paths" inten= ded? > This is gone already > >> - s/expectations/requirements/ > Done > >> - The term "change" is used several times in the section summary thoug= h it is >> a bit loose: depending on the situation, "modify" or "extend" > There's both; we actually are more specific in the sections. I found on= e place where I did a replacement. > > >> would be more specific (the former may impact existing implementations= , the >> latter does not). > Yes this is when we use "update".=20 > >> -=C2=A0 OLD >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 8 presents the changes made to = [RFC6775] and [RFC8505]; >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The range of the ND status codes is red= uced down to 64 values, and >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the remaining bits in the original stat= us field are now reserved. >> =C2=A0 NEW >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 8 presents how [RFC6775] and [R= FC8505] are used; the >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 range of the ND status codes is narrowe= d down to 64 values, and >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the unused bits are reserved. > This was the goal when I wrote RFC 8505. I missed tiny things and had t= o perform updates which are listed in " Enhancements to RFC 6775 and RFC8= 505". Because of that this document updates RFC 6775 and 8505. Sadly. > >> ------ >> Section 2. >> --- >> - s/Neighbor solicitation/Neighbor Solicitation/ > Done > >> - s/Information solicitation (DIS)/Information Solicitation (DIS)/ > Removed > >> ------ >> Section 3. >> --- >> - s/The RPL Root tunnels the packets/The RPL Root tunnels data packets= / >> [unless we're talking about control packet] > Done > >> - s/forwards the original (inner) packet/forwards original (inner) pac= kets/ > Done > >> ------ >> Section 4. >> --- >> - s/Neighbor solicitation (NS)/Neighbor Solicitation (NS)/ > Done > >> - s/6LN functionality in [RFC8505]/6LN functionality from [RFC8505]/ > Done though unconvinced. Let's see what the RFC editor ends up doing. > >> - Section 4.2.3 summarizes the main use case of the ROVR though its us= e here >> is a bit different: why not focus the paragraph on the latest sentence= and >> bring a correct topic balance into the section? > This section describes RFC 8505. It hints about how we use it in the re= st of the spec but that's not the main goal.=20 > > >> ------ >> Section 5. >> --- >> - s/with a CIO/with a 6CIO/ > Done > >> - s/the Root terminates the IP-in-IP tunnel at the parent 6LR/the IP-i= n-IP >> tunnel from the Root terminates at the parent 6LR/ > Done > >> ------ >> Section 6. >> --- >> - s/between the 6LR and the RPL Root/between the RPL Root and the 6LR/= > In both directions in fact > >> - s/encodes it in one of these reserved flags of the RPL DODAG configu= ration >> option/allocates a new one in the RPL DODAG configuration option/ > That sentence was reworded since -23. But the allocation game is for IA= NA section. Arguably what matters to the implementer is the bit position= =2E > >> - s/values zero (0) to six (6)/values from zero (0) to six (6)/ > Done > >> ------ >> Section 7. >> --- >> - The section title should point to the draft title ("Efficient Route >> Invalidation") rather than the draft name which will be replaced by an= RFC >> number at publication time. > Point is, both drafts will publish together and this is to help the edi= tor to the replacements. > >> - s/hop by hop/hop-by-hop/ > Done > >> ------ >> Section 8. >> --- >> - Spacing inconsistency on the section title. > Fixed > >> ------ >> Section 9. >> --- >> - In section 9.2.2, the capital T is missing on "the" for steps 4 and = 5. > Fixed > >> - s/Lifetime. e.g./Lifetime. E.g./ > Fixed > >> - s/6LoWPAN ND related reasons/6LoWPAN ND-related reasons/ > Fixed > >> - s/An error injecting the route/An error when injecting the route/ > Not sure; since several native speakers reviewed it I'd rather leave th= is as is > >> - In section 9.2.3, the capital T is missing on "the" for steps 2 and = 3. > Fixed > >> ------ >> Section 11. >> --- >> - s/supporting th extension/supporting the extension/ > Fixed > >> ------ >> Section 12. >> --- >> - s/doesn't/does not/ > Fixed > >> ------ >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Julien >> --------------ms030401090004010809050000 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExDzANBglghkgBZQMEAgEFADCABgkqhkiG9w0BBwEAAKCC EmowggTeMIIDxqADAgECAgEBMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBBQUAMGoxCzAJBgNVBAYTAkZSMRowGAYD 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rtg-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEC33A1239; Fri, 29 Jan 2021 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Bruno Decraene via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.24.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <161194636226.19136.6263568097212297078@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Bruno Decraene Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 10:52:42 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-12 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 18:52:42 -0000 Reviewer: Bruno Decraene Review result: Has Issues Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-rtgwg-bgp-pic-12.txt Reviewer: Bruno Decraene Review Date: 2021-01-29 IETF LC End Date: not started. (in WG LC) Intended Status: Informational Summary: I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. Comments: Draft is clear and very readable although the subject is a bit complex and usually not well known from IETF readers/documents as the described behavior is local to a node and largely implementation specific. The terminology and some text are very implementation dependent. As such, the document may not age well and may not map directly to other implementations. May be the abstract / introduction could clarify that the document is partly an architecture and partly a description of one specific implementation. ================= Minor: ================= References: LDP and SR-MPLS are used interchangeably in the text. There doesn't seem to be a reason for the former to be a normative reference while the latter an informative reference. ---- IdNits has the following complaint: "The document has examples using IPv4 documentation addresses according to RFC6890, but does not use any IPv6 documentation addresses. Maybe there should be IPv6 examples, too?" It looks a priori easy to fix. e.g. replacing the second IPv4 route (e.g. 65000: 203.0.113.0/24) by an IPv6 one. ----- Introduction I feel that the introduction could introduce both PIC core and PIC edge, rather than just "PIC" ----- §1.1 The terminology section would benefit from adding the terms "PIC Core" and "PIC Edge" (e.g. using the first sentences of sections 6.1 & 6.2) ------ §1.1 "IGP prefix: A prefix P/m (of any AFI/SAFI) that is learnt via an Interior Gateway Protocol, such as OSPF and ISIS, has a path for. " A priori incorrect grammar. You could remove either ", has a path for" or "is learnt via" ----- "o Egress PE, "ePE": A BGP speaker that learns about a prefix through an eBGP peer and chooses that eBGP as the next-hop for that prefix." May be OLD: that eBGP NEW: that eBGP peer ------ §1.1 "Adjacency" definition could be moved before the definition of "Primary path" since the definition of the latter use the former. ------- §1.1 "Forwarding chain" is used in some definition but not defined beforehand. ------- §2 "It is not uncommon to see multiple destinations are reachable via the same list of next-hops." A priori incorrect grammar. OLD: are reachable could be "that are reachable" or "reachable" ------- 2.1.2 Another option to learn multiple BGP NH/path is simply to receive IBGP paths from multiple BGP RR selection a different path as best.(and hence reflecting a different path). ------- §2.2 "2 ECMP paths with IGP-NH1 and IGP-NH2 reachable via the interfaces I1 and I2, respectively." I don't precisely understand the sentence. "Respectively" means that I1 (resp. I2) is used to reach IGP-N1 (resp. IGP-N2). Soe where are the 2 ECMP paths? Note that given the data in Figure 2, my understanding is that there are only 2 interfaces (I1 and I2) used by both IGP prefixes. Hence ", respectively" to be removed. It seems that either "respectively" is to be removed, or that 2 interfaces are missing (2ECMP*2 destinations) For better illustration, Figure 1 could be extended by adding the connected interfaces and neighbors of iPE. Also the routing table could mention those interfaces OLD: 192.0.2.1/32 via Core, Label: IGP-L11 via Core, Label: IGP-L12 192.0.2.2/32 via Core, Label: IGP-L21 via Core, Label: IGP-L22 NEW: 192.0.2.1/32 via I1, Label: IGP-L11 via I2, Label: IGP-L12 192.0.2.2/32 via I1, Label: IGP-L21 via I2, Label: IGP-L22 All of the above to be corrected based on the response to the first comments. (are there 2 or 4 interfaces?) ------- § Figure 2 The draft uses NH1 for both BGP-NH1 and IGP-NH1 and they represent different things. Some parts of Figure sometimes uses "NH1" alone (in OutLabel-List) which is ambiguous. Also :s/BGP NH1/BGP-NH1 :s/IGP NH1/IGP-NH1 ------- §2.2 "For example, if the interface "I2" goes down, only the shared IGP pathlist needs to be updated," It seems to me that the IGP OutLabel-List would also need to be updated. ------ §2.2 Figure 2 (and may be section 2.2) does not refer to local protection (IGP FRR, eBGP FRR). I'd guess that some of the Paths are marked as backup. If so, I would suggest to add this. ------- §6.2.1 "IGP running on the iBGP peers instructs FIB to remove the IP" Instead of "iBGP peers" I think that you have introduced the term "iPE" just for the purpose. (alternative "iBGP routers" as "iBGP peers" raise the question of "peers of who?" which introduce complexity if one wants to accommodate for Route Reflectors) ------- §3.2 In figure 3, " VPN-L11 +---------+ (Label-leaf)---+---->|Unlabeled| | +---------+ | | VPN-L21 | | | (swap) | | +---------+ | | BGP Pathlist | +------------+ Connected route | | CE-NH |------>(to the CE) | |path-index=0| | +------------+ | | VPN-NH2 | VPN-IP1 -----+------------------>| (backup) |------>IGP Leaf " It's not obvious whether the long vertical line should be read from Up to down of from Down to up, as there is no arrow on it. My understanding is that it should be read up to down. In which case, adding an arrow would help. e.g. VPN-L11 (Label-leaf)---+----> | V | ------- §5.1 "a sample scenario" Did you mean :s/sample/simple ? ------- §5.2 "the VPN prefix VPN-IP1 and VPN2-IP2." The figure uses "VPN-IP2" (VPN- vs VPN2-). May be :s/prefix/prefixes ------- §5.2 " o Both the routers ASBR21 and ASBR22 of Domain 2 advertise the same label LASBR21 and LASBR22 to the egress PEs ePE1 and ePE2, respectively, to the routers ASBR11 and ASBR22 of Domain 1." may be "advertise the same label LASBR21 and LASBR22 for the egress PEs ePE1 and ePE2" (:s/to/for) ------- §5.2 OLD: 65000: 203.0.113.0/24 via ePE1 (192.0.2.2), VPN Label: VPN-L22 via ePE2 (192.0.2.3), VPN Label: VPN-L32 NEW: 65000: 203.0.113.0/24 via ePE2 (192.0.2.2), VPN Label: VPN-L22 via ePE3 (192.0.2.3), VPN Label: VPN-L32 (:s/PE1/PE2 :s/PE2/PE3 ) ------- §6.2.1 "hence the label VPN-L12 will be pushed" In figure 2, I believed you used the name "VPN-L21" (L21 vs L12) ------- §6.2.2 "Hence traffic will be forwarded used the backup path towards ePE2." :s/used/using ------- §6.2.2 " FIB manager on the edge router detecting the link failure applies the following steps" May be you could add a reference to Figure 3 which precisely describes this case. (otherwise the reader keeps using Figure 2 which is less appropriate for this case. ------- §6.2.2 Possibly the two cases (NH self and not NHS could be described in two sub- sections. (When reading "In the second case", the reader may have lost the context). In which case, the last paragraph "Let's try to apply the case of next-hop self" could be grouped with the "First cast"/sub section. But up to you. This is an editorial choice. ================= Nits: ================= Reference [3]. Somehow, the title and list of authors does not match the ones in the referenced RFC. https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8277 ------ §1.1 In Pathlist OLD: . "). NEW: . ------ §7.1 "This section provides details for each failure and now the hierarchical and shared FIB structure proposed in this document allows recovery that does not depend on number of BGP prefixes." I would assume :s/now/how ------ :s/ABSRs /ASBRs