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The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see ​http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04 Reviewer: Andy Smith Review Date: 1 Feb 2022 IETF LC End Date: Intended Status: Summary: No issues found. This document is ready for publication. Comments: This is a novel idea and the description of it is well written. The reader can understand the background and motivation as to the benefits of an OSPF environment with BFD enabled as a fundamental, required option. Thanks for the opportunity to review this draft. Major Issues: No major issues found. Minor Issues: No minor issues found. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ketan Thanks for your quick response. Matthew From: Ketan Talaulikar Date: Saturday, 29 January 2022 at 05:33 To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) Cc: , rtg-dir@ietf.org , spring@ietf.or= g , last-call@ietf.org , draft-ietf-sp= ring-segment-routing-policy.all@ietf.org Subject: Re: RtgDir Last Call review: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-pol= icy-14 Hi Matthew, Thanks for your detailed review and please find responses inline below. Also, we've posted an updated version to address your comments. Request you= to please check and let us know your feedback. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-pol= icy-16 MB> Thanks. This looks good to me. See below for some additional responses. On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 5:21 PM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) > wrote: Hello, I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft. Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-14 Reviewer: Matthew Bocci Review Date: 28 January 2022 Intended Status: Standards Track Summary: In general, this is a well written document. Thank you. However, I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication. This mostly re= volve around the clarity of the document and the use (or lack thereof) of RFC2119 langua= ge. Comments: Major Issues: No major issues found Minor Issues: 1) This is a standards track document, but in general I found that clear sp= ecification language is missing. For example, in section 2.3: "A headend may be.." Should this b= e "A headend MAY be..."? There are many other cases like this where MUST/SHOULD/MAY would be better = used rather than 'is' or 'can'. KT> Ack. Fixed in some places and please let us know if we've missed any. 2) The references to control planes for provisioning and maintaining SR Pol= icies are only informational, but they are referred to in a manner in the text that I read= as normative (although the language is not always clear). For example, in section 2.5: "= When signaling is via PCEP..." and then the paragraph refers to an informative reference t= o the PCE draft for the SR policy control plane. Given that this is a standards t= rack architecture document, it would be much better to be clear about what the normative part= s of the architecture are. If these parts are not normative (for example even if I u= se BGP it is not mandatory to use it according to a particular specification) then please be= explicit and use 'MAY' or 'SHOULD'. KT> Given that this is an architecture document, it describes the architect= ure and not really the protocol mechanisms. This is in line with other SPRI= NG documents. The normative language for the BGP mechanism is in the IDR do= cument. The informative references, in this document, to those protocol mec= hanisms are only to give a better reference/info to the reader. MB> I agree you have followed the precedent of the SR architecture (RFC840= 2), so I am OK with that. 3) Section 2.2: Candidate Path and Segment List. This section describes a h= ierarchical relationship between composite candidate paths, SR Policies, candidate path= s, and segment lists. It would be much clearer if you could provide a diagram illustrating this h= ierarchy. KT> The sec 2.13 illustrates this. We will add a forward reference to it in= Sec 2.2. MB> Thanks. That helps. 3) Terminology section. Since this draft is really the overall guide to all things SR Policy, it would really help t= o include a terminology section summarising new terms and acronyms. KT> The document currently describes the constructs in the flow. A terminol= ogy section would just end up repeating the text up front and without prope= r context. I prefer to keep the current structure. If there is any specific= terminology that you believe is better dealt with in the Terminology secti= on, please let us know. MB> Accepted Nits: 1) The definite/indefinite article ('the', 'a', etc) is missing from the te= xt in many places. I would suggest going through the text carefully and correcting these issue= s. KT> Ack. Fixed in a few places. Please let us know if any others were misse= d out. 2) Section 2.13: In the information model: SR policy POL1 Candidate-path CP1 Preference 200 Priority 10 Weight W1, SID-List1 Weight W2, SID-List2 ^^^^^^^^^ These are referred to as segment lists in the main text, so maybe you shoul= d align the terminology. KT> Ack. Fixed. Section 4: Segment Types. Type A: SR-MPLS Label: "...Additionally, reserved labels..." These are now = commonly referred to in MPLS as "special purpose labels". KT> Ack. Fixed. Thanks, Ketan --_000_VI1PR0701MB6991965C22626EAC6357478FEB279VI1PR0701MB6991_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ketan

 

Thanks for your quick response.

 

Matthew

 

From: Ketan Talaulikar &l= t;ketant.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, 29 January 2022 at 05:33
To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Cc: <rtg-ads@ietf.org>, rtg-dir@ietf.org <rtg-dir@ietf.org&= gt;, spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>, last-call@ietf.org <last-c= all@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy.all@ietf.org <= ;draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy.all@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: RtgDir Last Call review: draft-ietf-spring-segment-rout= ing-policy-14

Hi Matthew,

 

Thanks for your det= ailed review and please find responses inline below.

 

Also, we've posted = an updated version to address your comments. Request you to please check an= d let us know your feedback.

 

 

MB> Thanks. This= looks good to me. See below for some additional responses.

 

On Fri, Jan 28, 202= 2 at 5:21 PM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote:<= /o:p>

Hello,

 

I have been selected as the Routi= ng Directorate reviewer for this draft.

The Routing Directorate seeks to = review all routing or routing-related

drafts as they pass through IETF = last call and IESG review, and

sometimes on special request. The= purpose of the review is to provide

assistance to the Routing ADs. Fo= r more information about the Routing

Directorate, please see

http://trac.tools.ietf.or= g/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

 

Although these comments are prima= rily for the use of the Routing ADs, it

would be helpful if you could con= sider them along with any other IETF

Last Call comments that you recei= ve, and strive to resolve them through

discussion or by updating the dra= ft.

 

Document: draft-ietf-spring-segme= nt-routing-policy-14

Reviewer: Matthew Bocci

Review Date: 28 January 2022=

Intended Status: Standards Track<= o:p>

 

Summary:

 

In general, this is a well writte= n document. Thank you.

 

However, I have some minor concer= ns about this

document that I think should be r= esolved before publication. This mostly revolve around

the clarity of the document and t= he use (or lack thereof) of RFC2119 language.

 

Comments:

 

Major Issues: No major issues fou= nd

 

Minor Issues:

 

1) This is a standards track docu= ment, but in general I found that clear specification language

is missing. For example, in secti= on 2.3: "A headend may be.." Should this be "A headend MAY b= e..."?

There are many other cases like t= his where MUST/SHOULD/MAY would be better used rather than

'is' or 'can'.<= /p>

 

KT> Ack. Fixed i= n some places and please let us know if we've missed any.=

 

 

2) The references to control plan= es for provisioning and maintaining SR Policies are only

informational, but they are refer= red to in a manner in the text that I read as normative

(although the language is not alw= ays clear). For example, in section 2.5: "When signaling

is via PCEP..." and then the= paragraph refers to an informative reference to the

PCE draft for the SR policy contr= ol plane. Given that this is a standards track architecture

document, it would be much better= to be clear about what the normative parts of the

architecture are. If these parts = are not normative (for example even if I use BGP it is not

mandatory to use it according to = a particular specification) then please be explicit

and use 'MAY' or 'SHOULD'.

 

KT> Given that t= his is an architecture document, it describes the architecture and not real= ly the protocol mechanisms. This is in line with other SPRING documents. Th= e normative language for the BGP mechanism is in the IDR document. The informative references, in this document, to t= hose protocol mechanisms are only to give a better reference/info to the re= ader. 

 

 MB> I agree you have followed the precedent o= f the SR architecture (RFC8402), so I am OK with that.

 

3) Section 2.2: Candidate Path an= d Segment List. This section describes a hierarchical

relationship between composite ca= ndidate paths, SR Policies, candidate paths, and segment lists.<= /span>

It would be much clearer if you c= ould provide a diagram illustrating this hierarchy.

 

KT> The sec 2.13= illustrates this. We will add a forward reference to it in Sec 2.2.

 

MB> Thanks. That= helps.

 

3) Terminology section. Since thi= s draft

is really the overall guide to al= l things SR Policy, it would really help to include a

terminology section summarising&n= bsp; new terms and acronyms.

 

KT> The document= currently describes the constructs in the flow. A terminology section woul= d just end up repeating the text up front and without proper context. I pre= fer to keep the current structure. If there is any specific terminology that you believe is better dealt with in the T= erminology section, please let us know.

 MB> Accept= ed

 

 

Nits:

 

1) The definite/indefinite articl= e ('the', 'a', etc) is missing from the text in many places.

I would suggest going through the= text carefully and correcting these issues.

 

KT> Ack. Fixed i= n a few places. Please let us know if any others were missed out.

 

 

2) Section 2.13:

 

In the information model:

 

SR policy POL1 <headend =3D H1, color =3D 1, endpoint =3D E1>

        Candidate-path CP1 <protoc= ol-origin =3D 20, originator =3D

   100:1.1.1.1, discriminator =3D 1>

            = Preference 200

            = Priority 10

            = Weight W1, SID-List1 <SID11...SID1i>

            = Weight W2, SID-List2 <SID21...SID2j>

            =             ^^^^^^^^= ^

     &nb= sp;            =      

These are referred to as segment = lists in the main text, so maybe you should align the

terminology.

 

KT> Ack. Fixed.<= o:p>

 

 

Section 4: Segment Types.

Type A: SR-MPLS Label: "...A= dditionally, reserved labels..." These are now commonly

referred to in MPLS as "spec= ial purpose labels".

 

 

KT> Ack. Fixed.<= o:p>

 

Thanks,<= /span>

Ketan

 

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Request > you to please check and let us know your feedback. > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-16 > > > > > > MB> Thanks. This looks good to me. See below for some additional responses. > > > > On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 5:21 PM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) < > matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > > The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related > > drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and > > sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide > > assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing > > Directorate, please see > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > > would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF > > Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through > > discussion or by updating the draft. > > > > Document: draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy-14 > > Reviewer: Matthew Bocci > > Review Date: 28 January 2022 > > Intended Status: Standards Track > > > > Summary: > > > > In general, this is a well written document. Thank you. > > > > However, I have some minor concerns about this > > document that I think should be resolved before publication. This mostly > revolve around > > the clarity of the document and the use (or lack thereof) of RFC2119 > language. > > > > Comments: > > > > Major Issues: No major issues found > > > > Minor Issues: > > > > 1) This is a standards track document, but in general I found that clear > specification language > > is missing. For example, in section 2.3: "A headend may be.." Should this > be "A headend MAY be..."? > > There are many other cases like this where MUST/SHOULD/MAY would be better > used rather than > > 'is' or 'can'. > > > > KT> Ack. Fixed in some places and please let us know if we've missed any. > > > > > > 2) The references to control planes for provisioning and maintaining SR > Policies are only > > informational, but they are referred to in a manner in the text that I > read as normative > > (although the language is not always clear). For example, in section 2.5: > "When signaling > > is via PCEP..." and then the paragraph refers to an informative reference > to the > > PCE draft for the SR policy control plane. Given that this is a standards > track architecture > > document, it would be much better to be clear about what the normative > parts of the > > architecture are. If these parts are not normative (for example even if I > use BGP it is not > > mandatory to use it according to a particular specification) then please > be explicit > > and use 'MAY' or 'SHOULD'. > > > > KT> Given that this is an architecture document, it describes the > architecture and not really the protocol mechanisms. This is in line with > other SPRING documents. The normative language for the BGP mechanism is in > the IDR document. The informative references, in this document, to those > protocol mechanisms are only to give a better reference/info to the reader. > > > > MB> I agree you have followed the precedent of the SR architecture > (RFC8402), so I am OK with that. > > > > 3) Section 2.2: Candidate Path and Segment List. This section describes a > hierarchical > > relationship between composite candidate paths, SR Policies, candidate > paths, and segment lists. > > It would be much clearer if you could provide a diagram illustrating this > hierarchy. > > > > KT> The sec 2.13 illustrates this. We will add a forward reference to it > in Sec 2.2. > > > > MB> Thanks. That helps. > > > > 3) Terminology section. Since this draft > > is really the overall guide to all things SR Policy, it would really help > to include a > > terminology section summarising new terms and acronyms. > > > > KT> The document currently describes the constructs in the flow. A > terminology section would just end up repeating the text up front and > without proper context. I prefer to keep the current structure. If there is > any specific terminology that you believe is better dealt with in the > Terminology section, please let us know. > > MB> Accepted > > > > > > Nits: > > > > 1) The definite/indefinite article ('the', 'a', etc) is missing from the > text in many places. > > I would suggest going through the text carefully and correcting these > issues. > > > > KT> Ack. Fixed in a few places. Please let us know if any others were > missed out. > > > > > > 2) Section 2.13: > > > > In the information model: > > > > SR policy POL1 > > Candidate-path CP1 > 100:1.1.1.1, discriminator = 1> > > Preference 200 > > Priority 10 > > Weight W1, SID-List1 > > Weight W2, SID-List2 > > ^^^^^^^^^ > > > > These are referred to as segment lists in the main text, so maybe you > should align the > > terminology. > > > > KT> Ack. Fixed. > > > > > > Section 4: Segment Types. > > Type A: SR-MPLS Label: "...Additionally, reserved labels..." These are now > commonly > > referred to in MPLS as "special purpose labels". > > > > > > KT> Ack. Fixed. > > > > Thanks, > > Ketan > > > --0000000000007d662d05d71f3999 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Matthew


On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 5:37 P= M Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote:

Hi Ketan

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks for your quick= response.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Matthew=

=C2=A0<= /span>

From: Ketan Talaulikar <= ketant.ietf@gmai= l.com>
Date: Saturday, 29 January 2022 at 05:33
To: Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com>
Cc: <rtg-ad= s@ietf.org>, r= tg-dir@ietf.org <rtg-dir@ietf.org>, spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>, last-call@ietf.org <last-call@ietf.org>, draft-ie= tf-spring-segment-routing-policy.all@ietf.org <draft= -ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy.all@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: RtgDir Last Call review: draft-ietf-spring-segment-rout= ing-policy-14

Hi Matthew,=

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks for your detai= led review and please find responses inline below.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Also, we've poste= d an updated version to address your comments. Request you to please check = and let us know your feedback.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

MB> Thanks. This l= ooks good to me. See below for some additional responses.

=C2=A0<= /span>

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 = at 5:21 PM Bocci, Matthew (Nokia - GB) <matthew.bocci@nokia.com> wrote:<= u>

Hello,<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

I have been selected = as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft.

The Routing Directora= te seeks to review all routing or routing-related

drafts as they pass t= hrough IETF last call and IESG review, and

sometimes on special = request. The purpose of the review is to provide

assistance to the Rou= ting ADs. For more information about the Routing

Directorate, please s= ee

http://trac.t= ools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

=C2=A0<= /span>

Although these commen= ts are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it

would be helpful if y= ou could consider them along with any other IETF

Last Call comments th= at you receive, and strive to resolve them through

discussion or by upda= ting the draft.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Document: draft-ietf-= spring-segment-routing-policy-14

Reviewer: Matthew Boc= ci

Review Date: 28 Janua= ry 2022

Intended Status: Stan= dards Track

=C2=A0<= /span>

Summary:

=C2=A0<= /span>

In general, this is a= well written document. Thank you.

=C2=A0<= /span>

However, I have some = minor concerns about this

document that I think= should be resolved before publication. This mostly revolve around

the clarity of the do= cument and the use (or lack thereof) of RFC2119 language.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Comments:

=C2=A0<= /span>

Major Issues: No majo= r issues found

=C2=A0<= /span>

Minor Issues:<= u>

=C2=A0<= /span>

1) This is a standard= s track document, but in general I found that clear specification language<= u>

is missing. For examp= le, in section 2.3: "A headend may be.." Should this be "A h= eadend MAY be..."?

There are many other = cases like this where MUST/SHOULD/MAY would be better used rather than

'is' or '= can'.

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> Ack. Fixed in = some places and please let us know if we've missed any.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

2) The references to = control planes for provisioning and maintaining SR Policies are only

informational, but th= ey are referred to in a manner in the text that I read as normative<= u>

(although the languag= e is not always clear). For example, in section 2.5: "When signaling

is via PCEP..." = and then the paragraph refers to an informative reference to the<= /u>

PCE draft for the SR = policy control plane. Given that this is a standards track architecture<= /u>

document, it would be= much better to be clear about what the normative parts of the

architecture are. If = these parts are not normative (for example even if I use BGP it is not

mandatory to use it a= ccording to a particular specification) then please be explicit

and use 'MAY'= or 'SHOULD'.

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> Given that thi= s is an architecture document, it describes the architecture and not really= the protocol mechanisms. This is in line with other SPRING documents. The = normative language for the BGP mechanism is in the IDR document. The informative references, in this document, to t= hose protocol mechanisms are only to give a better reference/info to the re= ader.=C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0MB> I agree you have followed the precedent of th= e SR architecture (RFC8402), so I am OK with that.

=C2=A0<= /span>

3) Section 2.2: Candi= date Path and Segment List. This section describes a hierarchical=

relationship between = composite candidate paths, SR Policies, candidate paths, and segment lists.=

It would be much clea= rer if you could provide a diagram illustrating this hierarchy.

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> The sec 2.13 i= llustrates this. We will add a forward reference to it in Sec 2.2.

=C2=A0<= /span>

MB> Thanks. That h= elps.

=C2=A0<= /span>

3) Terminology sectio= n. Since this draft

is really the overall= guide to all things SR Policy, it would really help to include a

terminology section s= ummarising=C2=A0 new terms and acronyms.

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> The document c= urrently describes the constructs in the flow. A terminology section would = just end up repeating the text up front and without proper context. I prefe= r to keep the current structure. If there is any specific terminology that you believe is better dealt with in the T= erminology section, please let us know.

=C2=A0MB> Accepted=

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

Nits:

=C2=A0<= /span>

1) The definite/indef= inite article ('the', 'a', etc) is missing from the text in= many places.

I would suggest going= through the text carefully and correcting these issues.

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> Ack. Fixed in = a few places. Please let us know if any others were missed out.

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

2) Section 2.13:

=C2=A0<= /span>

In the information mo= del:

=C2=A0<= /span>

SR policy POL1 <headend =3D H1, color =3D 1, endpoint =3D= E1>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Candidate-path CP= 1 <protocol-origin =3D 20, originator =3D

=C2=A0=C2=A0 100:1.1.1.1, discriminator =3D 1>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Preference 200=

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Priority 10

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Weight W1, SID-List1 <SID11...SID1i>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 Weight W2, SID-List2 <SID21...SID2j>

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 ^^^^^^^^^

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

These are referred to= as segment lists in the main text, so maybe you should align the=

terminology.

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> Ack. Fixed.=

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

Section 4: Segment Ty= pes.

Type A: SR-MPLS Label= : "...Additionally, reserved labels..." These are now commonly

referred to in MPLS a= s "special purpose labels".

=C2=A0<= /span>

=C2=A0<= /span>

KT> Ack. Fixed.=

=C2=A0<= /span>

Thanks,=

Ketan

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--0000000000007d662d05d71f3999-- From nobody Thu Feb 3 08:01:25 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E80F3A0CEF; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:01:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tRMmgQmzs2eK; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:01:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x932.google.com (mail-ua1-x932.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::932]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D29083A0BE6; Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x932.google.com with SMTP id e17so5957484uad.9; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:01:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=nZY2bAMeYb3X+IGbHzzmL449CNzAzNkKHRbTDj8g7K4=; b=ZDtcCXh5/Euqt08sgPw7C6KDDVIdEswhBiRm9qJxNG7YQNnv2dPAREaOIV5QJQAwf5 m0IpOTknM7XNUfdzPJkP7uq+Bplkja1fJGAEZ4hT6bgK+rLhLbINRPLgGasVDPNA8z+W MsCc8io/XfRJRECloA+frv8zNY+csHnjK7E6pGvyU/exiou+mIwxg9+iUxruUk0YipMc qm1WXN2cwtyjk6+ArA+cDxAzj/mxrlPl9fAtq1W/x2ZLzIj1EUv557ikxcd8HkQnWcwB DMaA5Ow3ZvFVajkEL7n33Nyuz8TDfyT7WVjdsAs844KB4ATyYJLUWT9t+EvtWBz1VNkF BUMg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=nZY2bAMeYb3X+IGbHzzmL449CNzAzNkKHRbTDj8g7K4=; b=24PfWzgj5ZaGTrC1jFilyQTmkVDKkV11QHjtkNO0tC+8kEXsK2rjSzA8BCnkpUKYTg hjOv6Rc/JVOLIFxdtA94uam+dTUgoRHWpvYemwSeofAIvQ1Vel7XIdh5D0yCbrQDYnTd VYpe5LnmpRUNV/ez3+VW8N4tziOalKY2qzakuvIWLKvjlYi/aSak9+Js7+Yb7u1mKQM4 X32H3q7ZNfcO1LZ6a+lqbFnEkdOoRDwxEX6/LVj3nfeWtu56/LPQKGt60pXkb0Xvmy9c SL0Ugx2BrJg+2m17SlfN6V9jN7QRTuujsxc0cL75qWIWUNhxK31TnuDDfLW2kcQFIALZ rnSw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5305H6zV2b27gINsSdty3IPM9IFoqnAs3VwukiobOKvnPS4HqZiN Qa7nwmpp05/Ctr+q3N7JisZ4Bu1/6Vi5CkUXaMli2TF1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyKX2HzUxIroP4rfnuTLWvntLO7AHhk1/ilyD48enCPVD1w57R2rju5OYz9eapRFU1rpzJb/csBLCzKtMgYAqE= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:71c7:: with SMTP id n7mr13496201uao.15.1643904057128; Thu, 03 Feb 2022 08:00:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <164373324405.29067.1286759553654447476@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <164373324405.29067.1286759553654447476@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Ketan Talaulikar Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 21:30:44 +0530 Message-ID: To: Andy Smith Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org, draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org, lsr Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005eb85b05d71f3d8a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 16:01:19 -0000 --0000000000005eb85b05d71f3d8a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Andy, thanks for your review and feedback. Thanks, Ketan On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 10:04 PM Andy Smith via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Andy Smith > Review result: Ready > > Hello, > > I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. > The > Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts > as > they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on specia= l > request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routin= g > ADs. > For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see > =E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir > > Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it > would > be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call > comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion > or by > updating the draft. > > Document: draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04 > Reviewer: Andy Smith > Review Date: 1 Feb 2022 > IETF LC End Date: > Intended Status: > > Summary: > > No issues found. This document is ready for publication. > > Comments: > > This is a novel idea and the description of it is well written. The > reader > can understand the background and motivation as to the benefits of an OSP= F > environment with BFD enabled as a fundamental, required option. > > Thanks for the opportunity to review this draft. > > Major Issues: > > No major issues found. > > Minor Issues: > > No minor issues found. > > > > --0000000000005eb85b05d71f3d8a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Andy, thanks for your review and feedback.

<= div>Thanks,
Ketan


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 10:0= 4 PM Andy Smith via Datatracker <nor= eply@ietf.org> wrote:
Reviewer: Andy Smith
Review result: Ready

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. Th= e
Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts a= s
they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special<= br> request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing = ADs.
For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see
=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/tra= c/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it wo= uld
be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or= by
updating the draft.

Document: draft-ietf-lsr-ospf-bfd-strict-mode-04
Reviewer: Andy Smith
Review Date: 1 Feb 2022
IETF LC End Date:
Intended Status:

Summary:

No issues found. This document is ready for publication.

Comments:

This is a novel idea and the description of it is well written.=C2=A0 =C2= =A0The reader
can understand the background and motivation as to the benefits of an OSPF<= br> environment with BFD enabled as a fundamental, required option.

Thanks for the opportunity to review this draft.

Major Issues:

No major issues found.

Minor Issues:

No minor issues found.



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draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6.all@ietf.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.44.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164436684918.12262.8236282429679448025@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Himanshu Shah Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 16:34:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6-07 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:34:10 -0000 Reviewer: Himanshu Shah Review result: Ready The draft is written well and easy to follow the proposed extensions for those who are familiar with the Babel Protocol as described in RFC 8966. In my view, a couple of minor updates would read better for the novice reader. In the Introduction, section 1, last but one paragraph - -- We call a route towards an IPv4 prefix that uses an IPv6 next hop a "v4-via-v6" route. This document describes an extension that allows the Babel routing protocol [RFC8966] to announce v4-via-v6 routes across interfaces that have no IPv4 addresses assigned (suggested append..) "and are capable of forwarding IPv4 traffic over non-IPv4 interfaces". (end of suggestion - or something similar to that effect..). -- On support for ICMPv4 packet generation by Babel node that has IPv6 interfaces.. While this topic is covered, it would be nice if its importance is mentioned somewhere in introduction or in section 3. Such as - "For hop-by-hop reachability distribution, it is important to facilitate ICMPv4 "destination unreachable" from non-IPv4 Babel router to notify the source about incomplete IPv4 path (i.e. dangling IPv4 path)." Again these are suggestions to improve readability and author(s) can provide the right text if applicable. I must admit that I am not intimate with Babel protocol so take above suggestions with a pinch of salt.. 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B=0.000 -> S=0.000 X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham X-j-chkmail-Status: Ham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-babel-v4viav6-07 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 16:46:36 -0000 > Reviewer: Himanshu Shah > Review result: Ready Thanks for your review. > (suggested append..) > "and are capable of forwarding IPv4 traffic over non-IPv4 interfaces". > (end of suggestion - or something similar to that effect..). Right. Done roughly what you suggest. > While this topic is covered, it would be nice if its importance is mentioned > somewhere in introduction or in section 3. > > Such as - > "For hop-by-hop reachability distribution, it is important to facilitate > ICMPv4 "destination unreachable" from non-IPv4 Babel router to notify the > source about incomplete IPv4 path (i.e. dangling IPv4 path)." I most respectfully disagree. The issue of ICMPv4 is a complex one, and I'd rather not try to (mis-)summarise it in one sentence. There's a whole section devoted to it, and it's referenced from the introduction. (I am actually sympathetic to Warren Kumari's opinion that it's complex enough to deserve a whole document.) -- Juliusz From nobody Thu Feb 24 18:01:08 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-dir@ietf.org Delivered-To: rtg-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 312E53A1038; Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:00:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Stig Venaas via Datatracker To: Cc: draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model.all@ietf.org, iab@iab.org, last-call@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.46.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <164575444392.24459.14871993066473295047@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Stig Venaas Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 18:00:44 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-iab-rfcefdp-rfced-model-11 X-BeenThere: rtg-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Routing Area Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2022 02:00:45 -0000 Reviewer: Stig Venaas Review result: Has Nits I have reviewed the document and it is in good shape. The document has a few nits found by the idnits tool. The string "RFC" should not be included when specifing "obsoletes:" or "updates:". Also the abstract mentions that the documents obsoletes or updates documents that are not listed by the obsoletes/updates headers. In 3.1.1.4. paragraph 4: "participation for those unable to to attend in person." Double "to". I'm wondering whether any of the references should be normative, but it may not make sense for this document. 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Hi Sasha,

On 28.02.22 16:00, Alexander Vainshtei= n wrote:

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see=C2=A0=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/r= tg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-rsalz-2028bis-05
Reviewer: Alexander (|=E2=80=9DSasha=E2=80=9D) Vainshtein
= Review Date: 28-Feb-22
IETF LC End Date: 07-Mar-22
Intended Status: Nest Current Practice

Summary:

I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication.

Comments:

=

The draft describes entities involved in the IETF standards process. It is easy to read.

To the best of my understanding its purpos= e is alignment with the current structure of the Internet Society and its affiliated organizations (IETF, IANA, RFC Production center (nee RFC Editor) etc.=C2=A0 The previous docu= ment describing these entities has been published as RFC 2028 in 1996.

The author of the draft and I have exchanged a few emails regarding my concerns. We did not reach the agreement, but in any case I would like to than the author for responsiveness and cooperation.

=C2=A0

Major Issues: None found=

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Minor Issues:

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These days it is quite common in the IETF process to differentiate between document Authors and Contributors, especially when=C2=A0 many persons have been acti= vely involved with development of the technical aspects of the document.=C2=A0 The number of Authors is usually limited to no = more than 5, and their names appear on the title page of the document, while Contributors (if any) are only listed in a dedicated section within the document.

At the same time the Contributors have a well-defined role in the process, e.g. they must report about any non-disclosed IPR related to the document (or lack of any such IPR) both during adoption of the document as a WG document and also during the WG Last Call.

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The draft mentioned Editors and Authors of= the document (and explains that these terms are interchangeable), but it does not mention Contributors at all.

=C2=A0

I have raised this issue with the author o= f the draft, and IMHO we have =E2=80=9Cagreed to disagree=E2=80=9D= on this point.


I think you are talking about Section 3.2.1, which in part reads:<= /p> 

   This process is intended to be one of c=
ontinuous consultation.  RSAB
   members should consult with their constituent stakeholders (e.g.,
   authors, editors, tool developers, and consumers of RFCs) on an
   ongoing basis, so that when the time comes to consider the approval
   of a proposal, there should be no surprises.

I don't think you should worry about whether contributors are listed at this time.=C2=A0 The IESG in particular tends to cast a w= ide net on such consultations.=C2=A0 But if Lars thinks that won't be t= he case here, we should consider adding the word =E2=80=9Ccontributors= =E2=80=9D above, as I don't think it hurts anyone to do so.

Eliot


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