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Yes you're right.=C2=A0 My apologies.

Eliot

On 01.03.22 17:35, Alexander Vainshtei= n wrote:

Eliot,

Lots of thanks for your response to my review.

Unfortunately, the draft that I have reviewed does not contain Section 3.2.1, does not mention =E2=80=9Ccontinuous consultations=E2=80= =9D and only mentions RSAB once (in Section 3.5) in a different context.

=C2=A0

And in any case the role of Contributors i= n the IETF Standards Process is not, AFAIK, related to consultations.

Rather, they are REQUIRED to report any known and undeclared IPR (or explicitly confirm lack thereof) during IRP Calls set up by the WG Chairs =C2=A0at wo important stages of the process:

  • Adoption of= the draft by a WG =C2=A0as a WG document
  • The WG Last= Call.

They are also prevented from being selecte= d as the Area Directorate reviewers of the documents that list them as Contributors (at least in the Routing Area Directorate).

=C2=A0

Regards,

Sasha

=C2=A0

Office: +972-39266302

Cell:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 +972= -549266302

Email:=C2=A0=C2=A0 Alexander.= Vainshtein@rbbn.com

=C2=A0

From: Eliot Lear <lear@lear.ch>
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 10:02 PM
To: Alexander Vainshtein <Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com>; rtg-ads@= ietf.org; Lars Eggert <lars@eggert.org>
Cc: rfced-future@iab.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-rsalz-2028bis.all@ietf.org
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [Rfced-future] RTG-DIR Last Call review of draft-rsalz-2028bis-05

=C2=A0

Hi Sasha,

On 28.02.22 16:00, Alexander Vainshtein wrote:

Hello,

I have been selected as the Routing Directorate reviewer for this draft. The Routing Directorate seeks to review all routing or routing-related drafts as they pass through IETF last call and IESG review, and sometimes on special request. The purpose of the review is to provide assistance to the Routing ADs. For more information about the Routing Directorate, please see=C2=A0=E2=80=8Bhttp://trac.tools.ietf.org/area= /rtg/trac/wiki/RtgDir

Although these comments are primarily for the use of the Routing ADs, it would be helpful if you could consider them along with any other IETF Last Call comments that you receive, and strive to resolve them through discussion or by updating the draft.

Document: draft-rsalz-2028bis-05
Reviewer: Alexander (|=E2=80=9DSasha=E2=80=9D) Vainshtein Review Date: 28-Feb-22
IETF LC End Date: 07-Mar-22
Intended Status: Nest Current Practice

Summary:

I have some minor concerns about this document that I think should be resolved before publication.

Comments:

=

The draft describes entities involved in= the IETF standards process. It is easy to read.

To the best of my understanding its purpose is alignment with the current structure of the Internet Society and its affiliated organizations (IETF, IANA, RFC Production center (nee RFC Editor) etc.=C2=A0 The previous document describing these entities has been published as RFC 2028 in 1996.

The author of the draft and I have exchanged a few emails regarding my concerns. We did not reach the agreement, but in any case I would like to than the author for responsiveness and cooperation.

=

=C2=A0

Major Issues: None found

=C2=A0

Minor Issues:

=C2=A0

These days it is quite common in the IET= F process to differentiate between document Authors and Contributors, especially when=C2=A0 many persons have been actively involved with development of the technical aspects of the document.=C2=A0 The number of Authors is usually limit= ed to no more than 5, and their names appear on the title page of the document, while Contributors (if any) are only listed in a dedicated section within the document.

At the same time the Contributors have a= well-defined role in the process, e.g. they must report about any non-disclosed IPR related to the document (or lack of any such IPR) both during adoption of the document as a WG document and also during the WG Last Call.

=

=C2=A0

The draft mentioned Editors and Authors of the document (and explains that these terms are interchangeable), but it does not mention Contributors at all.

=C2=A0

I have raised this issue with the author= of the draft, and IMHO we have =E2=80=9Cagreed to disagree=E2= =80=9D on this point.

=C2=A0

I think you are talking about Section 3.2.1, which in part reads:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 This process is intended to be one of continu=
ous consultation.=C2=A0 RSAB
=C2=A0=C2=A0 members should consult with their constituent=
 stakeholders (e.g.,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 authors, editors, tool developers, and consum=
ers of RFCs) on an
=C2=A0=C2=A0 ongoing basis, so that when the time comes to=
 consider the approval
=C2=A0=C2=A0 of a proposal, there should be no surprises.<=
o:p>

I don't think you should worry about whether contributors are listed at this time.=C2=A0 The IESG in particular tends to cast= a wide net on such consultations.=C2=A0 But if Lars thinks that w= on't be the case here, we should consider adding the word =E2=80=9Ccontributors=E2=80=9D above, as I don't think it hurts= anyone to do so.

Eliot

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Stig, thanks for your review. On 2/24/22 7:00 PM, Stig Venaas via Datatracker wrote: > Reviewer: Stig Venaas > Review result: Has Nits > > I have reviewed the document and it is in good shape. > > The document has a few nits found by the idnits tool. The string "RFC" should > not be included when specifing "obsoletes:" or "updates:". Also the abstract > mentions that the documents obsoletes or updates documents that are not listed > by the obsoletes/updates headers. Hmm, I don't see that... Obsoletes: RFC8728 (if approved) Updates: RFC7841, RFC8729, RFC8730 (if approved) and... This document obsoletes [RFC8728] by defining version 3 of the RFC Editor Model. This document updates [RFC7841] by defining boilerplate text for the Editorial Stream. This document updates [RFC8729] by replacing the RFC Editor role with the RSWG, RSAB, and RSCE. This document updates [RFC8730] by removing the dependency on certain policies specified by the IAB and RSE. > In 3.1.1.4. paragraph 4: > "participation for those unable to to attend in person." > Double "to". It seems that you reviewed -10, not -11 (which is the latest), since that exact text is in -10 but not -11. > I'm wondering whether any of the references should be normative, but it may not > make sense for this document. Indeed we concluded that it didn't make sense for this document. Thanks! 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If the change proposed there will cause problems for you, add a comment there, or reply to tools-discuss@ietf.org to let us know. RjS