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b=FWqLfyU+k8NbSlYAq7wPhNLk1Hv5GWJMtM1RY7m9zPAelPQJWm3+nxsbNPP8zkq7WdQwJB1Pc5+RgXefrQT2lew5b5T4jcV55GVM8u/pknanbeqkGWfJLBNuRIt8AC9w; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47929 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAK5x-0005ty-T1; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 09:38:42 -0600 Message-ID: <5594097C.70607@labn.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 11:38:36 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , 'Jeffrey Haas' References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" , 'Alia Atlas' Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:39:05 -0000 > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. Sue, Jeff, Given some recent messages on the list, I thought it best to confirm we're all still on the same page. Based on our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work being done in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the foundation for TE support in the I2RS models. I complete agree that there are details on how the different topology models will integrate/mesh still needs to be worked out, and I assumed that this is what you/Sue were referring to above. -- But we will not have two sets of TE topology models. I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are working this. (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang model, can comment on this.) Please let me know if I missed/miss-understood something. Thanks, Lou (as TEAS WG co-chair) On 6/23/2015 2:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > > Netconf Working Group: > > > > The I2RS WG would like to pass you a set of requirements for the I2RS > protocol, and asks that you provide an analysis by IETF 93 on whether > NETCONF or RESTCONF can meet these requirements. We expect that > these requirements may require changes to the either NETCONF or > RESTCONF. > > > > The I2RS architecture document (draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-09 > ) > provides a high-level overview of the I2RS protocol. The I2RS has > compiled the following documents to provide the additional details on > the requirements for the protocols. > > > > 1) draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > > 2) draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > > > 3) draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > > > > The draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains the results of the > discussion from the 6/10 interim and the top 10 requirements for > I2RS. In addition, the draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains an > set of detailed requirements on how the I2RS WG sees the I2RS protocol > operating. These detailed requirements are to be seen as suggestions > on what type of solution the I2RS WG would like to see, but I2RS WG is > asking the NETCONF WG to provide its best designed protocol. Please > note as part of these detailed requirement the > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-states-00 contains the idea of using > metadata to record secondary identity. > > > > The I2RS protocol is driven by data-models. The approved data models > for protocol independent services are: > > - draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-00 > > > - Filter-Based RIBS: draft-kini-i2rs-fb-rib-data-model.00 > (released later this week) > > - Topology model which is a composite of: > > o Generic topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01 > > > o L3 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 > > > o L2 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00 > > > o L1 Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02 > released later this week). > > o Service topology model: > draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 (released on Wednesday) > > > > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic > engineering. It is anticipated that these models will support traffic > engineering. Estimated rates of transfer and timing requirements for > these modules are at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/i2rs/trac/wiki - > under the protocol requirements table. > > > > We hope that NETCONF WG can provide some initial feedback on these > requirements by IETF 93 at the Tuesday I2RS session. I2RS will use > the 6/24 interim at 10:00-11:30am ET to provide a time for any > participate in the I2RS, netconf, or netmod group to ask additional > questions on these requirements. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > Interim time: 10:00-11:30am ET > > Date 6/24/2015 > > Webex: > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m4260bee7be61cb17b0008a3c52069d0f > > > > agenda: > > > > 10:00 – 10:05 – Bash Agenda > > 10:05 – 10:20- - review of requirements from > > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > > draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > Timing requirements > > > > 10:20 – 10:30 Review of requirements for mutual authentication, > > and transaction in draft-hares-auth-trans-01 requirements > > > > 10:30- 11:30 Open discussion for I2RS Requirements > > > > Proceedings and slides can be found at: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/24/i2rs/proceedings.html > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord From nobody Wed Jul 1 12:34:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F6D1B29F4; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:34:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WlLAytzSa0ti; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 374FB1AD355; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id B5AF21E42C; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:36:14 -0400 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Lou Berger Message-ID: <20150701193614.GB5848@pfrc.org> References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5594097C.70607@labn.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , 'Alia Atlas' , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:34:44 -0000 Lou, On Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 11:38:36AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: > > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic > engineering. It is anticipated that these models will support traffic > engineering. > > Sue, Jeff, > Given some recent messages on the list, I thought it best to confirm > we're all still on the same page. > > Based on our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work being > done in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the > foundation for TE support in the I2RS models. I complete agree that > there are details on how the different topology models will > integrate/mesh still needs to be worked out, and I assumed that this is > what you/Sue were referring to above. -- But we will not have two sets > of TE topology models. I'll admit to not having recently read the teas model. I'll try to correct that soon. That said, we have some interesting headaches to work through for i2rs purposes: - We need a base model to work from. Which group provides the base is unimportant. - Some level of the abstract TE interactions that have i2rs impacts will potentially impose some impact on the models. - The biggest question is interactions with regard to ephemeral state. As you might have noticed, we're having quite the issue trying to shake out ephemeral state issues with netmod/netconf. Until we know what the answer is going to be in yang and the protocols, there's a large unknown as to whether we'll need our own "base model" or not. But just like with everything else in yang, we want to make sure that when there are reusable components, lets do it one place. As I said during today's i2rs interim, we do have to be careful about doing premature refactoring - doubly so as we don't know what the impacts of ephemeral stuff will be on i2rs. (Benoit will hopefully take the above observation as a note that even modeling work is starting to get impacted now and not just language/protocol.) The best I can recommend at this time is lets make sure everyone is paying attention to both drafts, identifying common components and be aware that we may need to reconcile the models via refactoring when the time comes. Plus it gets more eyeballs on both models. > I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are > working this. (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang > model, can comment on this.) I'm going to largely say, "Don't Panic". We all want to do the right thing IETF-wise. -- Jeff From nobody Wed Jul 1 12:55:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E4361A88B8 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:55:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jEI2b4F9he0o for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 396F71A88E9 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 12:54:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24735 invoked by uid 0); 1 Jul 2015 19:54:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Jul 2015 19:54:51 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id n7kQ1q00C2SSUrH017kTUh; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:44:29 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ALgDonD0 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=AGkejYDSTmIA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=ZI-4lMHfUVQ3Q4pe8LIA:9 a=axkuzOC8j6Qsf7DD:21 a=Mrpmenl6cEJZxDNc:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=3RyW9Of3GcGo2/hY1Z0HA5biKsraQv8K8eUQVXAXJcU=; b=AsNhExaC6RNdr+jAVPOL3qw/HXHJ95hFdTzATP6SHgMXoz8xE9nrtQ2AdF/nPhG4Axj3N3um8OYncw0j/8WE95BxmJ9h8jtsFcJK5zi1aK43owurvCEqiFKTJzOQ2Jcx; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:33860 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAO5l-0008HN-Bi; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:54:45 -0600 Message-ID: <5594457F.9040107@labn.net> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:54:39 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Haas References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <20150701193614.GB5848@pfrc.org> In-Reply-To: <20150701193614.GB5848@pfrc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , Vishnu Pavan Beeram , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" , 'Alia Atlas' , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 19:55:09 -0000 Jeff, Thank you for the response. All sounds right. I have a couple of additional points included below that I suspect we agree on. On 7/1/2015 3:36 PM, Jeffrey Haas wrote: ... > The best I can recommend at this time is lets make sure everyone is paying > attention to both drafts, identifying common components and be aware that we > may need to reconcile the models via refactoring when the time comes. Plus > it gets more eyeballs on both models. Agreed. Perhaps we can get a time for the authors of the I2RS and TEAS drafts to sit together in Prague to try to work through some of the details - or at least ensure they are on the same technical page? I talked to Pavan and he's willing to setup this up/coordinate. >> > I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are >> > working this. (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang >> > model, can comment on this.) > I'm going to largely say, "Don't Panic". We all want to do the right thing > IETF-wise. I think we should ensure that we don't produce two models for the same thing -- this is a "motherhood" statement, so I'd be surprised if there's any disagreement on this point. Thanks, Lou > -- Jeff From nobody Wed Jul 1 13:04:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8FC61A8928; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:04:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X3UF-7Du7e4z; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [64.71.170.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C7D471A8920; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:04:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lucidvision.com; s=default; t=1435781043; bh=/jxqvAXjWH61Cd4haozZvt92+IPK//uE1uVwC/myMaY=; h=From:Subject:Date:To; b=NzNhiI+m9t462woQT5uDiXOZ/YK2fI1ekJ3TOvzJ/Rj7OAabxEfNljE9oi6akJZGM HTpmKxlCW/L9VE4rd6O40E7loeHPx4uFDxiGIjqHERuN2gY5HSJXiSA6Gx42nM9zls Gm/ogTh2ABXcMzLVl4OsXEeYKLFJJ/cGPFi5Nc/E= X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=50.255.148.181; From: Nadeau Thomas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <68398E44-38BB-4E7F-8FF2-D435852CC017@lucidvision.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 16:03:51 -0400 To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, NETMOD Working Group Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) X-Authenticated-User: tnadeau@lucidvision.com X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_relay) X-Encryption: SSL encrypted X-ShareWhite: 50.255.148.181 X-MyRbl: Color=Yellow Age=0 Spam=0 Notspam=9 Stars=0 Good=0 Friend=0 Surbl=0 Catch=0 r=0 ip=50.255.148.181 X-IP-stats: Notspam Incoming Last 0, First 47, in=384, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=50.255.148.181 Archived-At: Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] Initial IEEE Yang Models Committed X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:04:27 -0000 =09 FYI, There was discussion of IEEE/Ethernet models a while back. I = wanted to let everyone know that an initial one was just pushed.=20 https://github.com/YangModels/yang/tree/master/experimental/ieee =E2=80=94Tom From nobody Wed Jul 1 15:49:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2E51B2C0F; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YMrH7Gt7-Dk5; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 467681B2BD2; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:49:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Lou Berger'" , "'Jeffrey Haas'" References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <5594097C.70607@labn.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 18:49:09 -0400 Message-ID: <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QL4Xs+nnSyjtIA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , 'Alia Atlas' , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" , 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram' Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:49:17 -0000 Lou and Jeffrey: On 7/22, I talked with the TEAS TE authors team. They had concerns about how the I2RS was going to integrate the TEAS work. I realized there are two different approaches to the models - and I expressed my hope that we could have aligned/merged models. I chatted with the I2RS topology draft authors, and I found that the authors had not yet begun to work on the TE models. The best plan is to try to get the TEAS authors and the I2RS Topology authors together at IETF 93 and get a plan together for migrating these teams together. I will send a few times out to teams this evening. It would really help I2RS if the TEAS group would meet early in the week (or if the folks are at the hack-athon like I am we may meet Saturday night). We could then try to give NETCONF our best insight on the TE additions. In order to prepare for this TE/Non-TE merge, I2RS WG need to finalize the non-TE models in the topology. Today's interim was target to firm up the Service and T1 topology models, but the T1 topology model will not be ready until IETF 93. My message in June hoped that we would be to the TE models by IETF so that NETCONF would have our entire scope, but we will not be there by the beginning of IETF. I2RS will be following up in August and September with Interims that focus on the TE models in I2RS Topology model. Do you have any other suggestions? Sue -----Original Message----- From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:39 AM To: Susan Hares; 'Jeffrey Haas' Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'; Vishnu Pavan Beeram; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; 'Alia Atlas' Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. Sue, Jeff, Given some recent messages on the list, I thought it best to confirm we're all still on the same page. Based on our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work being done in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the foundation for TE support in the I2RS models. I complete agree that there are details on how the different topology models will integrate/mesh still needs to be worked out, and I assumed that this is what you/Sue were referring to above. -- But we will not have two sets of TE topology models. I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are working this. (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang model, can comment on this.) Please let me know if I missed/miss-understood something. Thanks, Lou (as TEAS WG co-chair) On 6/23/2015 2:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > > Netconf Working Group: > > > > The I2RS WG would like to pass you a set of requirements for the I2RS > protocol, and asks that you provide an analysis by IETF 93 on whether > NETCONF or RESTCONF can meet these requirements. We expect that > these requirements may require changes to the either NETCONF or > RESTCONF. > > > > The I2RS architecture document (draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-09 > ) > provides a high-level overview of the I2RS protocol. The I2RS has > compiled the following documents to provide the additional details on > the requirements for the protocols. > > > > 1) draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > > 2) draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > /> > > 3) draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > > > > The draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains the results of the > discussion from the 6/10 interim and the top 10 requirements for I2RS. > In addition, the draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains an set of > detailed requirements on how the I2RS WG sees the I2RS protocol > operating. These detailed requirements are to be seen as suggestions > on what type of solution the I2RS WG would like to see, but I2RS WG is > asking the NETCONF WG to provide its best designed protocol. Please > note as part of these detailed requirement the > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-states-00 contains the idea of using > metadata to record secondary identity. > > > > The I2RS protocol is driven by data-models. The approved data models > for protocol independent services are: > > - draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-00 > > > - Filter-Based RIBS: draft-kini-i2rs-fb-rib-data-model.00 > (released later this week) > > - Topology model which is a composite of: > > o Generic topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01 > > > o L3 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 > > > o L2 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00 > logy/> > > o L1 Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02 > released later this week). > > o Service topology model: > draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 (released on Wednesday) > > > > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. > It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. > Estimated rates of transfer and timing requirements for these modules > are at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/i2rs/trac/wiki - under the > protocol requirements table. > > > > We hope that NETCONF WG can provide some initial feedback on these > requirements by IETF 93 at the Tuesday I2RS session. I2RS will use > the 6/24 interim at 10:00-11:30am ET to provide a time for any > participate in the I2RS, netconf, or netmod group to ask additional > questions on these requirements. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > Interim time: 10:00-11:30am ET > > Date 6/24/2015 > > Webex: > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m4260bee7be61cb17b0008a3c52069d > 0f > > > > agenda: > > > > 10:00 - 10:05 - Bash Agenda > > 10:05 - 10:20- - review of requirements from > > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > > draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > Timing requirements > > > > 10:20 - 10:30 Review of requirements for mutual authentication, > > and transaction in draft-hares-auth-trans-01 requirements > > > > 10:30- 11:30 Open discussion for I2RS Requirements > > > > Proceedings and slides can be found at: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/24/i2rs/proceedings.ht > ml > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord _______________________________________________ i2rs mailing list i2rs@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs From nobody Thu Jul 2 10:10:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 947F91A0242 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tqhb68Dnf7-B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1D4EA1A0218 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:09:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 7764 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jul 2015 17:09:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 2 Jul 2015 17:09:56 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id nV2E1q00K2SSUrH01V2HcC; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:02:20 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ItWNLtPg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=AGkejYDSTmIA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=DkiAw4pG--BOgwnSZ3UA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=6CEqUGc+VZ2aepguyzZzhayYvXVgyuErs9nvsjRJNX0=; b=m9r4kzGmHGy3/OURlWmhVdQDFLBpGThHn9uidiEccW+18VXe3cU6xOT1m5k80c08GwDK4r28IIJDmE41vxm3Mu/pFnbjfPNaimhq1GKXaDBpXyA/A1NgykDHs0VxsDQs; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:56211 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZAhzh-0002bM-RC; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 11:09:49 -0600 Message-ID: <55957056.60809@labn.net> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:09:42 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , 'Jeffrey Haas' References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram' , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" , 'Alia Atlas' Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:09:58 -0000 Sue, On 7/1/2015 6:49 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > ... In order to prepare for this TE/Non-TE merge, ... > Do you have any other suggestions? It sounds like the authors are working through this. So all that is needed seems to be happening. We should probably announce the time and place where the authors will be meeting in Prague so that others who are interested can show. (I'm assuming Pavan will coordinate the space request with the authors and secretariat.) -- Certianly an brief update in each WG seems appropriate. Not sure this more than someone saying something at the mic. > I2RS will be following up in August and > September with Interims that focus on the TE models in I2RS Topology model. This should work, as long as the interims include the active participants. We're having so many interims nowadays that it seems folks are having trouble balancing day jobs (or sleep if you end up on the wrong end of the time zone mismatch) with meetings... 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([2001:420:302:1330:7197:4184:582e:ba8f]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id mk6sm6691816pab.9.2015.07.02.14.03.58 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:03:59 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5BBBA6F1-E9BC-4EBB-96F5-E6C81B213A59" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:06:00 -0700 Message-Id: <1AA8FB3B-E17A-4DEC-9F06-1424A0638500@gmail.com> References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <007501d0b37a$02d6fbd0$0884f370$@ndzh.com> To: "Eric Voit (evoit)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: "Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , "i2rs@ietf.org" , NETMOD Working Group , "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" , "Alexander Clemm \(alex\)" , Netconf , Susan Hares Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:04:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_5BBBA6F1-E9BC-4EBB-96F5-E6C81B213A59 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jun 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) = wrote: >=20 > What might be interesting for a NETCONF speaking slot is an analysis = of what requirements from =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements=E2= =80=9D are met by =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D.=20 Susan or somebody from i2rs WG can decide whether the suggested = presentation would help clarify i2rs requirements to NETCONF. =46rom a = personal perspective it would certainly help to have examples of how the = requirements could be met. Cheers. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_5BBBA6F1-E9BC-4EBB-96F5-E6C81B213A59 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jun 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit@cisco.com> = wrote:

What might be = interesting for a NETCONF speaking slot is an analysis of what = requirements from =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements=E2=80=9D = are met by = =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D. 

Susan or somebody from i2rs WG can = decide whether the suggested presentation would help clarify i2rs = requirements to NETCONF. =46rom a personal perspective it would = certainly help to have examples of how the requirements could be = met.

Cheers.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



= --Apple-Mail=_5BBBA6F1-E9BC-4EBB-96F5-E6C81B213A59-- From nobody Thu Jul 2 14:06:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8BA01A1A59; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:06:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.054 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.054 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Skv4ZI2vbl91; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 253CC1A1A78; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 14:06:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Mahesh Jethanandani'" , "'Eric Voit \(evoit\)'" References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <007501d0b37a$02d6fbd0$0884f370$@ndzh.com> <1AA8FB3B-E17A-4DEC-9F06-1424A0638500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1AA8FB3B-E17A-4DEC-9F06-1424A0638500@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:06:41 -0400 Message-ID: <01d801d0b50a$feeed5f0$fccc81d0$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01D9_01D0B4E9.77DEBC90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QKbN0DLAkJXomwCCiG/twIuXbN7nP05VtA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, 'NETMOD Working Group' , "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , "'Alexander Clemm \(alex\)'" , 'Netconf' Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:06:44 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01D9_01D0B4E9.77DEBC90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mahesh:=20 =20 I think this would really help show how the requirements can be met. = Let=E2=80=99s plan on Eric doing an analysis of what requirements are = met by =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D.=20 =20 Sue=20 =20 From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:06 PM To: Eric Voit (evoit) Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; NETMOD Working Group; = BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; Alexander Clemm (alex); Netconf; Susan Hares Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS = protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) =20 =20 On Jun 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: =20 What might be interesting for a NETCONF speaking slot is an analysis of = what requirements from = =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements=E2=80=9D are met by = =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D.=20 =20 Susan or somebody from i2rs WG can decide whether the suggested = presentation would help clarify i2rs requirements to NETCONF. From a = personal perspective it would certainly help to have examples of how the = requirements could be met. =20 Cheers. =20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01D9_01D0B4E9.77DEBC90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mahesh:

 

I think this would really help show how the requirements can be met. = Let=E2=80=99s plan on Eric doing an analysis of what requirements are = met by =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D. =

 

Sue

 

From:= = i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:06 = PM
To: Eric Voit (evoit)
Cc: = Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; NETMOD Working Group; BRUNGARD, = DEBORAH A; Alexander Clemm (alex); Netconf; Susan = Hares
Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] = Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - = 11:30am ET)

 

 

On Jun 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit@cisco.com> = wrote:

 

What might be interesting for a NETCONF speaking slot is an analysis = of what requirements from = =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements=E2=80=9D are met by = =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D. <= /p>

 

Susan or somebody from i2rs WG can decide whether the = suggested presentation would help clarify i2rs requirements to NETCONF. = >From a personal perspective it would certainly help to have examples of = how the requirements could be met.

 

Cheers.

 

Mahesh Jethanandani

 

 

 

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boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01C9_01D0B5A6.6FF65E80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QKbN0DLAkJXomwCOt7Bop0On+6Q Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , 'Netconf' , 'NETMOD Working Group' Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:39:28 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01D0B5A6.6FF65E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sergio:=20 =20 Just in case you missed in the rest of the email threads:=20 =20 Yes =E2=80=93 I2RS plans to coordinate the topology model with the TEAS = Topology model. The work began with the authors last week, and will = continue in a discussion of the TEAS And Topology authors next week = (7/8) in a conference call, and at IETF on Sunday (7/19 from 6-7pm).=20 =20 The I2RS WG will provide an update on the merging of these two models. = If you are a TEAS author, please let me know. If you wish to help on = an I2RS Topology model, the I2RS working group would appreciate your = review of any model.=20 =20 I am personally working on the service layer model.=20 =20 Sue Hares=20 From: BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) = [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:28 AM To: Susan Hares; 'Mahesh Jethanandani' Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; 'NETMOD Working Group'; = 'Netconf'; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A' Subject: RE: [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS protocol = and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) =20 Hello Susan, - Topology model which is a composite of: o Generic topology model: = = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01=20 o L3 topology model: = = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00=20 o L2 topology model: = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00=20 o L1 Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02 = released later this week).=20 o Service topology model: draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 = (released on Wednesday) =20 At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. = It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. =20 =20 Reading this , my question is whether there is intention for Traffic = Engineering part of topology model to exploit/coordinate with Teas , and = particularly with=20 draft-liu-teas-yang-te-topo or to proceed with distinct contributions = internal to I2RS. =20 Thanks Sergio =20 ------=_NextPart_000_01C9_01D0B5A6.6FF65E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sergio:

 

Just in case you missed in the rest of the email threads: =

 

Yes =E2=80=93 I2RS plans to coordinate the topology model with the = TEAS Topology model.=C2=A0 The work began with the authors last week, = and will continue in a discussion of the TEAS And Topology authors next = week (7/8) =C2=A0in a conference call, and at IETF on Sunday (7/19 from = 6-7pm).

 

The I2RS WG will provide an update on the merging of these two = models.=C2=A0 If you are a TEAS author, please let me know. = =C2=A0=C2=A0If you wish to help on an I2RS Topology model, the I2RS = working group would appreciate your review of any model. =

 

I am personally working on the service layer model. =

 

Sue Hares

From:= = BELOTTI, SERGIO (SERGIO) [mailto:sergio.belotti@alcatel-lucent.com] =
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:28 AM
To: Susan = Hares; 'Mahesh Jethanandani'
Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; = i2rs@ietf.org; 'NETMOD Working Group'; 'Netconf'; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH = A'
Subject: RE: [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] Requirements for = I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am = ET)

 

Hello Susan,

-        = ;  Topology model which is a composite = of:=

o   Generic topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01 =

o   L3 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 =

o   L2 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00 =

o   L1 Topology model: draft-zhang= -i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02 released later this week). 

o   Service topology model: draft-hares= -i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 (released on = Wednesday)

 =

At this = time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering.  It = is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. =  

 

Reading this , my question is whether there is = intention for Traffic Engineering part of topology model to = exploit/coordinate with Teas , and particularly with =

 draft-liu-teas-yang-te-topo or to proceed = with distinct contributions internal to I2RS.

 

Thanks

Sergio

 

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The consensus so far is that the WILL augment the . There are some issues that need to be worked out (mapping identifiers, termination-points), but those should get resolved in due course of time. I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordinate a meeting between the authors of the and the authors of the I2RS topo model(s) at the IETF --- hopefully early in the week. Regards, -Pavan On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > Lou and Jeffrey: > > On 7/22, I talked with the TEAS TE authors team. They had concerns about > how the I2RS was going to integrate the TEAS work. I realized there are > two > different approaches to the models - and I expressed my hope that we could > have aligned/merged models. I chatted with the I2RS topology draft > authors, > and I found that the authors had not yet begun to work on the TE models. > The best plan is to try to get the TEAS authors and the I2RS Topology > authors together at IETF 93 and get a plan together for migrating these > teams together. > > I will send a few times out to teams this evening. It would really help > I2RS if the TEAS group would meet early in the week (or if the folks are at > the hack-athon like I am we may meet Saturday night). We could then try to > give NETCONF our best insight on the TE additions. > > In order to prepare for this TE/Non-TE merge, I2RS WG need to finalize the > non-TE models in the topology. Today's interim was target to firm up the > Service and T1 topology models, but the T1 topology model will not be ready > until IETF 93. My message in June hoped that we would be to the TE models > by IETF so that NETCONF would have our entire scope, but we will not be > there by the beginning of IETF. I2RS will be following up in August and > September with Interims that focus on the TE models in I2RS Topology model. > > Do you have any other suggestions? > > Sue > > > -----Original Message----- > From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:39 AM > To: Susan Hares; 'Jeffrey Haas' > Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'; Vishnu > Pavan Beeram; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; 'Alia Atlas' > Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and > I2RS > interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) > > > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic > engineering. It is anticipated that these models will support traffic > engineering. > > Sue, Jeff, > Given some recent messages on the list, I thought it best to confirm > we're all still on the same page. > > Based on our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work being > done in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the > foundation > for TE support in the I2RS models. I complete agree that there are details > on how the different topology models will integrate/mesh still needs to be > worked out, and I assumed that this is what you/Sue were referring to > above. > -- But we will not have two sets of TE topology models. > > I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are working > this. (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang model, can > comment on this.) > > Please let me know if I missed/miss-understood something. > > Thanks, > Lou > (as TEAS WG co-chair) > On 6/23/2015 2:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > > > > Netconf Working Group: > > > > > > > > The I2RS WG would like to pass you a set of requirements for the I2RS > > protocol, and asks that you provide an analysis by IETF 93 on whether > > NETCONF or RESTCONF can meet these requirements. We expect that > > these requirements may require changes to the either NETCONF or > > RESTCONF. > > > > > > > > The I2RS architecture document (draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-09 > > ) > > provides a high-level overview of the I2RS protocol. The I2RS has > > compiled the following documents to provide the additional details on > > the requirements for the protocols. > > > > > > > > 1) draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > > > > > 2) draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > > > /> > > > > 3) draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > > > > > > > > > The draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains the results of the > > discussion from the 6/10 interim and the top 10 requirements for I2RS. > > In addition, the draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains an set of > > detailed requirements on how the I2RS WG sees the I2RS protocol > > operating. These detailed requirements are to be seen as suggestions > > on what type of solution the I2RS WG would like to see, but I2RS WG is > > asking the NETCONF WG to provide its best designed protocol. Please > > note as part of these detailed requirement the > > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-states-00 contains the idea of using > > metadata to record secondary identity. > > > > > > > > The I2RS protocol is driven by data-models. The approved data models > > for protocol independent services are: > > > > - draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-00 > > > > > > - Filter-Based RIBS: draft-kini-i2rs-fb-rib-data-model.00 > > (released later this week) > > > > - Topology model which is a composite of: > > > > o Generic topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01 > > > > > > o L3 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 > > > > > > o L2 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00 > > > logy/> > > > > o L1 Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02 > > released later this week). > > > > o Service topology model: > > draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 (released on Wednesday) > > > > > > > > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. > > It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. > > Estimated rates of transfer and timing requirements for these modules > > are at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/i2rs/trac/wiki - under the > > protocol requirements table. > > > > > > > > We hope that NETCONF WG can provide some initial feedback on these > > requirements by IETF 93 at the Tuesday I2RS session. I2RS will use > > the 6/24 interim at 10:00-11:30am ET to provide a time for any > > participate in the I2RS, netconf, or netmod group to ask additional > > questions on these requirements. > > > > > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > > > Interim time: 10:00-11:30am ET > > > > Date 6/24/2015 > > > > Webex: > > > > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m4260bee7be61cb17b0008a3c52069d > > 0f > > > > > > > > agenda: > > > > > > > > 10:00 - 10:05 - Bash Agenda > > > > 10:05 - 10:20- - review of requirements from > > > > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > > > draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > > > > draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > > > Timing requirements > > > > > > > > 10:20 - 10:30 Review of requirements for mutual authentication, > > > > and transaction in draft-hares-auth-trans-01 requirements > > > > > > > > 10:30- 11:30 Open discussion for I2RS Requirements > > > > > > > > Proceedings and slides can be found at: > > > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/24/i2rs/proceedings.ht > > ml > > > > > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > > _______________________________________________ > i2rs mailing list > i2rs@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs > > _______________________________________________ > i2rs mailing list > i2rs@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs > --bcaec51d2b808ce8250519d9b42d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
+ Alex
+ <te-topo-model> aut= hors

Sue, Jeff,

The authors of the <te-to= po-model> draft had a meeting today with one of the authors (Alex) of th= e <network-topo-model> draft and discussed ways to align the topo mod= els. The consensus so far is that the <te-topo-model> WILL augment th= e <network-topo-model>. There are some issues that need to be worked = out (mapping identifiers, termination-points), but those should get resolve= d in due course of time.

I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordi= nate a meeting between the authors of the <te-topo-model> and the aut= hors of the I2RS topo model(s) at the IETF --- hopefully early in the week.=

Regards,
-Pavan

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, S= usan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:
Lou and Jeffrey:

On 7/22, I talked with the TEAS TE authors team.=C2=A0 They had concerns ab= out
how the I2RS was going to integrate the TEAS work.=C2=A0 I realized there a= re two
different approaches to the models - and I expressed my=C2=A0 hope that we = could
have aligned/merged models.=C2=A0 I chatted with the I2RS topology draft au= thors,
and I found that the authors had not yet begun to work on the TE models. The best plan is to try to get the TEAS authors and the I2RS Topology
authors together at IETF 93 and get a plan together for migrating these
teams together.

I will send a few times out to teams this evening.=C2=A0 =C2=A0It would rea= lly help
I2RS if the TEAS group would meet early in the week (or if the folks are at=
the hack-athon like I am we may meet Saturday night).=C2=A0 We could then t= ry to
give NETCONF our best insight on the TE additions.

=C2=A0In order to prepare for this TE/Non-TE merge, I2RS WG need to finaliz= e the
non-TE models in the topology.=C2=A0 Today's interim was target to firm= up the
Service and T1 topology models, but the T1 topology model will not be ready=
until IETF 93.=C2=A0 My message in June hoped that we would be to the TE mo= dels
by IETF so that NETCONF would have our entire scope, but we will not be
there by the beginning of IETF.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I2RS will be following up in Au= gust and
September with Interims that focus on the TE models in I2RS Topology model.=

Do you have any other suggestions?

Sue


-----Original Message-----
From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ie= tf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'Jeffrey Haas'
Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org;= i2rs@ietf.org; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH= A'; Vishnu
Pavan Beeram; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; 'Alia Atlas'
Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2R= S
interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET)

> At this time, none of t= he Topology models utilize Traffic
engineering.=C2=A0 It is anticipated that these models will support traffic=
engineering.

Sue, Jeff,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Given some recent messages on the list, I thought it best to = confirm
we're all still on the same page.

Based on our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work bein= g
done in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the foundatio= n
for TE support in the I2RS models.=C2=A0 I complete agree that there are de= tails
on how the different topology models will integrate/mesh still needs to be<= br> worked out, and I assumed that this is what you/Sue were referring to above= .
-- But we will not have two sets of TE topology models.

I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are working=
this.=C2=A0 (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang model,= can
comment on this.)

Please let me know if I missed/miss-understood something.

Thanks,
Lou
(as TEAS WG co-chair)
On 6/23/2015 2:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote:
>
> Netconf Working Group:
>
>
>
> The I2RS WG would like to pass you a set of requirements for the I2RS<= br> > protocol, and asks that you provide an analysis by IETF 93 on whether<= br> > NETCONF or RESTCONF can meet these requirements.=C2=A0 =C2=A0We expect= that
> these requirements may require changes to the either NETCONF or
> RESTCONF.
>
>
>
> The I2RS architecture document (draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-09
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture/>)
> provides a high-level overview of the I2RS=C2=A0 protocol.=C2=A0 The I= 2RS has
> compiled the following documents to provide the additional details on<= br> > the requirements for the protocols.
>
>
>
> 1)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00
> <https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state/>
>
> 2)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02
> <https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements
> />
>
> 3)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/= doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability/>
>
>
>
> The draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains the results of the
> discussion from the 6/10 interim and the top 10 requirements for I2RS.=
> In addition, the draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains an set of=
> detailed requirements on how the I2RS WG sees the I2RS protocol
> operating.=C2=A0 These detailed requirements are to be seen as suggest= ions
> on what type of solution the I2RS WG would like to see, but I2RS WG is=
> asking the NETCONF WG to provide its best designed protocol.=C2=A0 Ple= ase
> note as part of these detailed requirement the
> draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-states-00 contains the idea of using
> metadata to record secondary identity.
>
>
>
> The I2RS protocol is driven by data-models.=C2=A0 The approved data mo= dels
> for protocol independent services are:
>
> -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-00<= br> > <https://datatracker.ietf.or= g/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model/>
>
> -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filter-Based RIBS:=C2=A0 draft-kin= i-i2rs-fb-rib-data-model.00
> (released later this week)
>
> -=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Topology model which is a composit= e of:
>
> o=C2=A0 =C2=A0Generic topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-top= o-01
> <https://datatracker.ietf= .org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo/>
>
> o=C2=A0 =C2=A0L3 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 > <https://datatracker.ietf.= org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology/>
>
> o=C2=A0 =C2=A0L2 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topol= ogy-00
> <https://datatracker.ie= tf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topo
> logy/>
>
> o=C2=A0 =C2=A0L1 Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-0= 1 (-02
> released later this week).
>
> o=C2=A0 =C2=A0Service topology model:
> draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 (released on Wednesday) >
>
>
> At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering.=
> It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering.<= br> > Estimated rates of transfer and timing requirements for these modules<= br> > are at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/i2rs/trac/w= iki - under the
> protocol requirements table.
>
>
>
> We hope that NETCONF WG can provide some initial feedback on these
> requirements by IETF 93 at the Tuesday I2RS session.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I2RS = will use
> the 6/24 interim at 10:00-11:30am ET=C2=A0 to provide a time for any > participate in the I2RS, netconf, or netmod group to ask additional > questions on these requirements.
>
>
>
> Sue Hares
>
>
>
> Interim time: 10:00-11:30am ET
>
> Date 6/24/2015
>
> Webex:
>
> https://ietf.webex.com/= ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm4260bee7be61cb17b0008a3c52069d
> 0f
>
>
>
> agenda:
>
>
>
> 10:00 - 10:05 - Bash Agenda
>
> 10:05 - 10:20- -=C2=A0 review of requirements from
>
> draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00
>
> draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02
>
> draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03
>
> Timing requirements
>
>
>
> 10:20 - 10:30=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Review of requirements for mutual authentic= ation,
>
> and transaction in=C2=A0 draft-hares-auth-trans-01 requirements
>
>
>
> 10:30- 11:30=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Open discussion for I2RS Requirements<= br> >
>
>
> Proceedings and slides can be found at:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proce= edings/interim/2015/06/24/i2rs/proceedings.ht
> ml
>
>
>
> Sue Hares
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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(skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Mahesh Jethanandani'" , "'Eric Voit \(evoit\)'" References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <007501d0b37a$02d6fbd0$0884f370$@ndzh.com> <1AA8FB3B-E17A-4DEC-9F06-1424A0638500@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1AA8FB3B-E17A-4DEC-9F06-1424A0638500@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 17:35:04 -0400 Message-ID: <021301d0b50e$f62a20b0$e27e6210$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0214_01D0B4ED.6F1A0750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QKbN0DLAkJXomwCCiG/twIuXbN7nP08VQA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:27:27 -0700 Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, 'NETMOD Working Group' , "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , 'Alia Atlas' , 'Netconf' , "'Benoit Claise \(bclaise\)'" , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" , 'Lou Berger' Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 21:35:08 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01D0B4ED.6F1A0750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mahesh:=20 =20 I=E2=80=99m trying to schedule a set of meeting before I2RS presents at = NETCONF so it would be helpful to know when the I2RS session would be = schedule in NETCONF.=20 =20 Is I2RS requirements presentation at the Tuesday meeting with Netconf = [15:20 =E2=80=93 17:20] which is just before the I2RS meeting [17:40- = 18:40]. This back-to-back session would allow us to encourage people to = hear the presentations in NETCONF and then come to I2RS to discuss any = open issues for I2RS. =20 =20 Do you think we should present the NETMOD requirements before the = NETCONF requirements? I can request a brief presentation in NETMOD. I = am working on a draft to express I2RS requirements for netmod. The = requirements for NETMO will not be an I2RS WG document =E2=80=93 only a = chair=E2=80=99s observations on the differences between the yang = modules.=20 =20 Sue Hares=20 =20 From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:06 PM To: Eric Voit (evoit) Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; NETMOD Working Group; = BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; Alexander Clemm (alex); Netconf; Susan Hares Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] Requirements for I2RS = protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) =20 =20 On Jun 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) wrote: =20 What might be interesting for a NETCONF speaking slot is an analysis of = what requirements from = =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements=E2=80=9D are met by = =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D.=20 =20 Susan or somebody from i2rs WG can decide whether the suggested = presentation would help clarify i2rs requirements to NETCONF. From a = personal perspective it would certainly help to have examples of how the = requirements could be met. =20 Cheers. =20 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0214_01D0B4ED.6F1A0750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mahesh:

 

I=E2=80=99m trying to schedule a set of meeting before I2RS presents = at NETCONF so it would be helpful to know when the I2RS session would be = schedule in NETCONF.

 

Is I2RS requirements presentation at the Tuesday meeting with Netconf = [15:20 =E2=80=93 17:20] which is just before the I2RS meeting [17:40- = 18:40]. =C2=A0This back-to-back session would allow us to encourage = people to hear the presentations in NETCONF and then come to I2RS to = discuss any open issues for I2RS.=C2=A0

 

Do you think we should present the NETMOD requirements before the = NETCONF requirements? =C2=A0I can request a brief presentation in = NETMOD.=C2=A0 I am working on a draft to express I2RS requirements for = netmod.=C2=A0 The requirements for NETMO will not be an I2RS WG document = =E2=80=93 only a chair=E2=80=99s observations on the differences between = the yang modules.

 

Sue Hares

 

From:= = i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mahesh = Jethanandani
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 5:06 = PM
To: Eric Voit (evoit)
Cc: = Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; NETMOD Working Group; BRUNGARD, = DEBORAH A; Alexander Clemm (alex); Netconf; Susan = Hares
Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] [netmod] = Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - = 11:30am ET)

 

 

On Jun 30, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit@cisco.com> = wrote:

 

What might be interesting for a NETCONF speaking slot is an analysis = of what requirements from = =E2=80=9Cdraft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements=E2=80=9D are met by = =E2=80=9Cdraft-clemm-netconf-yang-push=E2=80=9D. <= /p>

 

Susan or somebody from i2rs WG can decide whether the = suggested presentation would help clarify i2rs requirements to NETCONF. = >From a personal perspective it would certainly help to have examples of = how the requirements could be met.

 

Cheers.

 

Mahesh Jethanandani

 

 

 

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alex@cisco.com, 'Alia Atlas' , 'Jeffrey Haas' , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:35:38 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01D0B59D.7EF91390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xian: =20 The time will be 6:00pm-7:00pm (18:00-19:00) on Sunday 7/19/2015 in = Prague. =20 =20 I=E2=80=99m also trying to lock down a conference call at 11:00am-12:00 = ET (8:00am-12:00pm PT, 23:00-23:59 Beijing) on 7/8 for the TEAS authors = and the topology authors. By this time I will have reviewed the TEAS = and I2RS drafts submitted, and I will have questions for the authors.=20 =20 Please let me know if you can attend these two meetings. =20 Sue=20 =20 =20 From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhangxian (Xian) Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:47 PM To: Susan Hares; Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Lou Berger; = draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@tools.ietf.com Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; = alex@cisco.com; Alia Atlas; Jeffrey Haas; Alvaro Retana (aretana) Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and = I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) =20 Hi,=20 =20 I would echo what Lou said in another email: =20 =E2=80=9CWe should probably announce the time and place where the = authors will be meeting in Prague so that others who are interested can = show.=E2=80=9D =20 I am definitely interested.=20 =20 Another suggestion is: can we try to draw a relationship diagram to see = how the topology related models fits together (irrespective of which WG = should work on what)? In the draft, there is = already a diagram which might be helpful as a starting point.=20 =20 Regards, Xian =20 From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan = Beeram Sent: 2015=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 8:42 To: Susan Hares Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; = alex@cisco.com; Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Alia Atlas; = draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@tools.ietf.com; Jeffrey Haas; Alvaro Retana = (aretana); Lou Berger Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and = I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) =20 + Alex + authors Sue, Jeff, The authors of the draft had a meeting today with one of = the authors (Alex) of the draft and discussed ways = to align the topo models. The consensus so far is that the = WILL augment the . There are some = issues that need to be worked out (mapping identifiers, = termination-points), but those should get resolved in due course of = time.=20 I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordinate a meeting between the authors = of the and the authors of the I2RS topo model(s) at the = IETF --- hopefully early in the week.=20 Regards, -Pavan =20 On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Susan Hares wrote: Lou and Jeffrey: On 7/22, I talked with the TEAS TE authors team. They had concerns = about how the I2RS was going to integrate the TEAS work. I realized there are = two different approaches to the models - and I expressed my hope that we = could have aligned/merged models. I chatted with the I2RS topology draft = authors, and I found that the authors had not yet begun to work on the TE models. The best plan is to try to get the TEAS authors and the I2RS Topology authors together at IETF 93 and get a plan together for migrating these teams together. I will send a few times out to teams this evening. It would really = help I2RS if the TEAS group would meet early in the week (or if the folks are = at the hack-athon like I am we may meet Saturday night). We could then try = to give NETCONF our best insight on the TE additions. In order to prepare for this TE/Non-TE merge, I2RS WG need to finalize = the non-TE models in the topology. Today's interim was target to firm up = the Service and T1 topology models, but the T1 topology model will not be = ready until IETF 93. My message in June hoped that we would be to the TE = models by IETF so that NETCONF would have our entire scope, but we will not be there by the beginning of IETF. I2RS will be following up in August = and September with Interims that focus on the TE models in I2RS Topology = model. Do you have any other suggestions? Sue -----Original Message----- From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 11:39 AM To: Susan Hares; 'Jeffrey Haas' Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'; = Vishnu Pavan Beeram; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)'; 'Alia Atlas' Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and = I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. Sue, Jeff, Given some recent messages on the list, I thought it best to confirm we're all still on the same page. Based on our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work being done in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the = foundation for TE support in the I2RS models. I complete agree that there are = details on how the different topology models will integrate/mesh still needs to = be worked out, and I assumed that this is what you/Sue were referring to = above. -- But we will not have two sets of TE topology models. I believe that the authors of the respective drafts are already are = working this. (Pavan, my co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang model, = can comment on this.) Please let me know if I missed/miss-understood something. Thanks, Lou (as TEAS WG co-chair) On 6/23/2015 2:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > > Netconf Working Group: > > > > The I2RS WG would like to pass you a set of requirements for the I2RS > protocol, and asks that you provide an analysis by IETF 93 on whether > NETCONF or RESTCONF can meet these requirements. We expect that > these requirements may require changes to the either NETCONF or > RESTCONF. > > > > The I2RS architecture document (draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-09 > ) > provides a high-level overview of the I2RS protocol. The I2RS has > compiled the following documents to provide the additional details on > the requirements for the protocols. > > > > 1) draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > > 2) draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > /> > > 3) draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > > > > The draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains the results of the > discussion from the 6/10 interim and the top 10 requirements for I2RS. > In addition, the draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains an set of > detailed requirements on how the I2RS WG sees the I2RS protocol > operating. These detailed requirements are to be seen as suggestions > on what type of solution the I2RS WG would like to see, but I2RS WG is > asking the NETCONF WG to provide its best designed protocol. Please > note as part of these detailed requirement the > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-states-00 contains the idea of using > metadata to record secondary identity. > > > > The I2RS protocol is driven by data-models. The approved data models > for protocol independent services are: > > - draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-00 > > > - Filter-Based RIBS: draft-kini-i2rs-fb-rib-data-model.00 > (released later this week) > > - Topology model which is a composite of: > > o Generic topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01 > > > o L3 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00 > > > o L2 topology model: draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00 > logy/> > > o L1 Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02 > released later this week). > > o Service topology model: > draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 (released on Wednesday) > > > > At this time, none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering. > It is anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering. > Estimated rates of transfer and timing requirements for these modules > are at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/i2rs/trac/wiki - under the > protocol requirements table. > > > > We hope that NETCONF WG can provide some initial feedback on these > requirements by IETF 93 at the Tuesday I2RS session. I2RS will use > the 6/24 interim at 10:00-11:30am ET to provide a time for any > participate in the I2RS, netconf, or netmod group to ask additional > questions on these requirements. > > > > Sue Hares > > > > Interim time: 10:00-11:30am ET > > Date 6/24/2015 > > Webex: > > = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm4260bee7be61cb17b0008a3c52069d > 0f > > > > agenda: > > > > 10:00 - 10:05 - Bash Agenda > > 10:05 - 10:20- - review of requirements from > > draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 > > draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02 > > draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03 > > Timing requirements > > > > 10:20 - 10:30 Review of requirements for mutual authentication, > > and transaction in draft-hares-auth-trans-01 requirements > > > > 10:30- 11:30 Open discussion for I2RS Requirements > > > > Proceedings and slides can be found at: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/24/i2rs/proceedings.ht > ml > > > > Sue Hares > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord _______________________________________________ i2rs mailing list i2rs@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs _______________________________________________ i2rs mailing list i2rs@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/i2rs =20 ------=_NextPart_000_011D_01D0B59D.7EF91390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Xian:

 

The time will be 6:00pm-7:00pm (18:00-19:00) on Sunday 7/19/2015 in = Prague. =C2=A0

 

I=E2=80=99m also trying to lock down a conference call at = 11:00am-12:00 ET (8:00am-12:00pm PT, 23:00-23:59 Beijing) on 7/8 for the = TEAS authors and the topology authors. =C2=A0By this time I will have = reviewed the TEAS and I2RS drafts submitted, and I will have questions = for the authors.

 

Please let me know if you can attend these two = meetings.

 

Sue

 

 

From:= = i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Zhangxian = (Xian)
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2015 11:47 PM
To: = Susan Hares; Vishnu Pavan Beeram; Lou Berger; = draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@tools.ietf.com
Cc: = Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; = alex@cisco.com; Alia Atlas; Jeffrey Haas; Alvaro Retana = (aretana)
Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements = for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am = ET)

 

Hi,

 

   I would echo what Lou said in = another email:

 

=E2=80=9CWe should probably announce the = time and place where the authors will be meeting in Prague so that = others who are interested can show.=E2=80=9D

 

I am definitely interested. =

 

Another suggestion is: can we try to draw = a relationship diagram to see how the topology related models fits = together (irrespective of which WG should work on what)? In the = <network-topo-model> draft, there is already a diagram which might = be helpful as a starting point.

 

Regards,
Xian

 

From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Vishnu Pavan Beeram
Sent: 2015=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=882=E6=97=A5 8:42
To: Susan Hares
Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A; alex@cisco.com; Vishnu Pavan Beeram; = Alia Atlas; draft-ietf-te= as-yang-te-topo@tools.ietf.com; Jeffrey Haas; Alvaro Retana = (aretana); Lou Berger
Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] = Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - = 11:30am ET)

 

+ = Alex

+ <te-topo-model> = authors

Sue, = Jeff,

The authors of the = <te-topo-model> draft had a meeting today with one of the authors = (Alex) of the <network-topo-model> draft and discussed ways to = align the topo models. The consensus so far is that the = <te-topo-model> WILL augment the <network-topo-model>. There = are some issues that need to be worked out (mapping identifiers, = termination-points), but those should get resolved in due course of = time.

I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordinate a meeting = between the authors of the <te-topo-model> and the authors of the = I2RS topo model(s) at the IETF --- hopefully early in the week. =

Regards,

=

-Pavan

 

On Wed, Jul = 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Susan Hares <shares@ndzh.com> wrote:

Lou and Jeffrey:

On 7/22, I = talked with the TEAS TE authors team.  They had concerns = about
how the I2RS was going to integrate the TEAS work.  I = realized there are two
different approaches to the models - and I = expressed my  hope that we could
have aligned/merged = models.  I chatted with the I2RS topology draft authors,
and I = found that the authors had not yet begun to work on the TE = models.
The best plan is to try to get the TEAS authors and the I2RS = Topology
authors together at IETF 93 and get a plan together for = migrating these
teams together.

I will send a few times out to = teams this evening.   It would really help
I2RS if the TEAS = group would meet early in the week (or if the folks are at
the = hack-athon like I am we may meet Saturday night).  We could then = try to
give NETCONF our best insight on the TE = additions.

 In order to prepare for this TE/Non-TE merge, = I2RS WG need to finalize the
non-TE models in the topology.  = Today's interim was target to firm up the
Service and T1 topology = models, but the T1 topology model will not be ready
until IETF = 93.  My message in June hoped that we would be to the TE = models
by IETF so that NETCONF would have our entire scope, but we = will not be
there by the beginning of IETF.   I2RS will be = following up in August and
September with Interims that focus on the = TE models in I2RS Topology model.

Do you have any other = suggestions?

Sue


-----Original = Message-----
From: i2rs [mailto:i2rs-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Lou Berger
Sent: Wednesday, July = 01, 2015 11:39 AM
To: Susan Hares; 'Jeffrey = Haas'
Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'; = Vishnu
Pavan Beeram; 'Alvaro Retana = (aretana)'; 'Alia Atlas'
Subject: Re: [i2rs] = [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS
interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am = ET)

> At this time, none of the = Topology models utilize Traffic
engineering.  It is anticipated = that these models will support traffic
engineering.

Sue, = Jeff,
    Given some recent messages on the list, I thought = it best to confirm
we're all still on the same page.

Based on = our past discussions, it's my understanding that the work being
done = in TEAS (see draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo) will serve as the = foundation
for TE support in the I2RS models.  I complete agree = that there are details
on how the different topology models will = integrate/mesh still needs to be
worked out, and I assumed that this = is what you/Sue were referring to above.
-- But we will not have two = sets of TE topology models.

I believe that the authors of the = respective drafts are already are working
this.  (Pavan, my = co-chair as well as coauthor of the TEAS yang model, can
comment on = this.)

Please let me know if I missed/miss-understood = something.

Thanks,
Lou
(as TEAS WG co-chair)
On = 6/23/2015 2:19 PM, Susan Hares wrote:
>
> Netconf Working = Group:
>
>
>
> The I2RS WG would like to pass = you a set of requirements for the I2RS
> protocol, and asks that = you provide an analysis by IETF 93 on whether
> NETCONF or = RESTCONF can meet these requirements.   We expect that
> = these requirements may require changes to the either NETCONF or
> = RESTCONF.
>
>
>
> The I2RS architecture document = (draft-ietf-i2rs-architecture-09
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-archit= ecture/>)
> provides a high-level overview of the = I2RS  protocol.  The I2RS has
> compiled the following = documents to provide the additional details on
> the requirements = for the protocols.
>
>
>
> 1)    =   draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-epheme= ral-state/>
>
> 2)      = draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-su= b-requirements
> />
>
> 3)      = draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-tracea= bility/>
>
>
>
> The = draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 contains the results of the
> = discussion from the 6/10 interim and the top 10 requirements for = I2RS.
> In addition, the draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00 = contains an set of
> detailed requirements on how the I2RS WG sees = the I2RS protocol
> operating.  These detailed requirements = are to be seen as suggestions
> on what type of solution the I2RS = WG would like to see, but I2RS WG is
> asking the NETCONF WG to = provide its best designed protocol.  Please
> note as part of = these detailed requirement the
> = draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-states-00 contains the idea of using
> = metadata to record secondary identity.
>
>
>
> = The I2RS protocol is driven by data-models.  The approved data = models
> for protocol independent services are:
>
> = -          = draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model-00
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-da= ta-model/>
>
> -          = Filter-Based RIBS:  draft-kini-i2rs-fb-rib-data-model.00
> = (released later this week)
>
> -        =   Topology model which is a composite of:
>
> o  =  Generic topology model: = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-network-topo-01
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-n= etwork-topo/>
>
> o   L3 topology model: = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l3-topology-00
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l= 3-topology/>
>
> o   L2 topology model: = draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l2-network-topology-00
> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-yang-l= 2-network-topo
> logy/>
>
> o   L1 = Topology model: draft-zhang-i2rs-l1-topo-yang-model-01 (-02
> = released later this week).
>
> o   Service = topology model:
> draft-hares-i2rs-service-topo-yang-model-00 = (released on Wednesday)
>
>
>
> At this time, = none of the Topology models utilize Traffic engineering.
> It is = anticipated that these models will support traffic engineering.
> = Estimated rates of transfer and timing requirements for these = modules
> are at: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/wg/i2rs/trac/wiki - = under the
> protocol requirements = table.
>
>
>
> We hope that NETCONF WG can = provide some initial feedback on these
> requirements by IETF 93 = at the Tuesday I2RS session.   I2RS will use
> the 6/24 = interim at 10:00-11:30am ET  to provide a time for any
> = participate in the I2RS, netconf, or netmod group to ask = additional
> questions on these = requirements.
>
>
>
> Sue = Hares
>
>
>
> Interim time: 10:00-11:30am = ET
>
> Date 6/24/2015
>
> Webex:
>
> = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm4260bee7be61c= b17b0008a3c52069d
> 0f
>
>
>
> = agenda:
>
>
>
> 10:00 - 10:05 - Bash = Agenda
>
> 10:05 - 10:20- -  review of requirements = from
>
> draft-ietf-i2rs-ephemeral-state-00
>
> = draft-ietf-i2rs-pub-sub-requirements-02
>
> = draft-ietf-i2rs-traceability-03
>
> Timing = requirements
>
>
>
> 10:20 - 10:30    = Review of requirements for mutual authentication,
>
> and = transaction in  draft-hares-auth-trans-01 = requirements
>
>
>
> 10:30- 11:30    =  Open discussion for I2RS = Requirements
>
>
>
> Proceedings and slides can = be found at:
>
> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/interim/2015/06/24/i2rs= /proceedings.ht
> ml
>
>
>
> Sue = Hares
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> = _______________________________________________
> Rtg-yang-coord = mailing list
> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
&g= t; https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord


_______________________________________________

 

------=_NextPart_000_011D_01D0B59D.7EF91390-- From nobody Mon Jul 6 08:27:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA12F1A7D82 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:49:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aQ9wkmTEnsSm for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:49:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E68341A70FE for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:49:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 2898 invoked by uid 0); 3 Jul 2015 19:49:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 3 Jul 2015 19:49:15 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id nveo1q00P2SSUrH01verYh; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:38:54 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ALgDonD0 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=AGkejYDSTmIA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=k0E8tIfyBo0Nto1-jTgA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Am4pkuz53W8A:10 a=VvYRpQ6nluYA:10 a=lsHcWZlcHswA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=tKywBpBLQIqnAYMqLrl8Bc4mOOj68wTPd12vBM2Jr7Y=; b=O8Y36lYE25lXst/YR9OeAC1i7YCfBaKiP+ABWrfUhIEtdkRF71ZP2rNCxywxXj5J+766c3icxhT2uzVAF44o2mXmUcnxuGa+y3nc7ct1YusTzAjRmr3ocwC7nbtBhsNQ; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:59060 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZB6xR-0001VC-LG; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 13:49:09 -0600 Message-ID: <5596E72D.9070900@labn.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:49:01 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Susan Hares , "'Zhangxian (Xian)'" , 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram' , draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@tools.ietf.com References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> <011c01d0b5bf$06055c60$12101520$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <011c01d0b5bf$06055c60$12101520$@ndzh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:27:27 -0700 Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , alex@cisco.com, 'Alia Atlas' , 'Jeffrey Haas' , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:49:17 -0000 Sue, On 7/3/2015 2:35 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > By this time I will have reviewed the TEAS and I2RS drafts submitted, > and I will have questions for the authors. It might be helpful to have this discussion on list so others who are on the call can follow/participate. Thanks, Lou From nobody Mon Jul 6 08:27:39 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B731A87C9; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:49:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f00UDHQMwIXS; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BEFBD1A87C4; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 13:49:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.185.134; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Lou Berger'" , "'Zhangxian \(Xian\)'" , "'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'" , References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> <011c01d0b5bf$06055c60$12101520$@ndzh.com> <5596E72D.9070900@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <5596E72D.9070900@labn.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 16:49:00 -0400 Message-ID: <024101d0b5d1$b0f4cd10$12de6730$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QL4Xs+nAlcpWbYBg5KlhQJWWMN7Ae0Cs00ByK1qFpzgfjKg Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:27:27 -0700 Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org, i2rs@ietf.org, "'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'" , alex@cisco.com, 'Alia Atlas' , 'Jeffrey Haas' , "'Alvaro Retana \(aretana\)'" Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:49:10 -0000 Lou: This webex (7/8) is to help inform the I2RS chair so that prior to kicking off the mail list discussion. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2015 3:49 PM To: Susan Hares; 'Zhangxian (Xian)'; 'Vishnu Pavan Beeram'; draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo@tools.ietf.com Cc: Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; i2rs@ietf.org; 'BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A'; alex@cisco.com; 'Alia Atlas'; 'Jeffrey Haas'; 'Alvaro Retana (aretana)' Subject: Re: [i2rs] [Rtg-yang-coord] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) Sue, On 7/3/2015 2:35 PM, Susan Hares wrote: > By this time I will have reviewed the TEAS and I2RS drafts submitted, > and I will have questions for the authors. It might be helpful to have this discussion on list so others who are on the call can follow/participate. Thanks, Lou From nobody Mon Jul 6 09:15:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07BD51B2F84 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:14:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.943 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.943 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZxN2bSNaKpMW for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 368EB1B2F86 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28813 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2015 16:14:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2015 16:14:56 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id pA801q00U2SSUrH01A83EH; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:08:03 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=UNFOQkvy c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=AGkejYDSTmIA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=ss8pcJvpeU0DZosA-koA:9 a=itSm1kcA4mDCn503:21 a=sOKptbXnbmCMT9pu:21 a=t-Caf4g1_bke2QFI:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=jM_x9b4JT8QA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=OIYYqNXv4bMVsy0ZZ6jizxN4/0U7oe6ZI900cHnCOkw=; b=Ms2xQHacjPyfx/KaVLUNUBmrcDVOxEkm+G9qInfkzZ5YsRP+4r4iYUVTKAbJkjzpD/ZE+qgd++F1oGlFqSr6Db2XxaslQgeAemwTa/PVhRM+tb5YpZ66tEdBTl2gvAin; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:44461 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZC92i-0005t0-GC; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:14:52 -0600 Message-ID: <559AA971.9050402@labn.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:14:41 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Routing WG , Routing YANG Coordination References: <20150706155651.637.34135.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150706155651.637.34135.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <20150706155651.637.34135.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model@ietf.org Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:14:59 -0000
Hi,
    We've posted the first draft produced by the Routing Area YANG Architecture design team. It covers the so-called device meta-model.  This draft is driven by the requirements stated in  draft-openconfig-netmod-model-structure-00 and is also and is derivative of that work.

It is very much a work in progress and we expect to discuss details, open issues and plans in the RTGWG meeting in Prague and on the WG mail list.

Lou (and co-authors/dt members)

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.


        Title           : Network Device YANG Organizational Model
        Authors         : Acee Lindem
                          Lou Berger
                          Dean Bogdanovic
                          Christian Hopps
	Filename        : draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00.txt
	Pages           : 28
	Date            : 2015-07-06

Abstract:
   This document presents an approach for organizing YANG models in a
   comprehensive structure that defines how individual models may be
   composed to configure and operate network infrastructure and
   services.  The structure is itself represented as a YANG model rooted
   at a device, with all of the related component models logically
   organized in a way that is operationally intuitive. This document is
   derived from work submitted to the IETF by members of the informal
   OpenConfig working group of network operators and is a product of the
   Routing Area YANG Architecture design team.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/

There's also a htmlized version available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00


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From nobody Mon Jul 6 13:14:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E5A1B31AF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:14:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rRvy0GMi8DMp for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x236.google.com (mail-ig0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::236]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 02A7D1B31A2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igau2 with SMTP id u2so20519311iga.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=OIeEd+Dub92aE7wCQoJ/utt7uk9RYnOfeo/CrdQcPqU=; b=HgD/wDuwNrvTrWjz/PAH5amrFtxpg3jzsEO1IPIOYqwPJ1P5u8DUFDYUhIk9i+WMqZ YEtLgvzNDpUrcK7jZG1T5FUrFzEAOpu4qpLfEznQc/Td5PIEq8Dxsk6zDvcL1ctJQFg0 dlYM9D5/b2r6oPvCFXgTHlB+zmzndpHLxj7pmhdi0lHKeJF6fqxkrHUW7ZahktTtM5aw 56hj7jEw5zZHjG7oExuRWezaSVhEzudArkWbThTl4JC3NIILt53kjc7xiOTvTBRjIgzL Hkq6Bp6vdaTC38m93tH7vacsrDnzEivVWGciLcalLbjEheEPTUK0DEx6bOvqkiqKlyD+ iHUQ== X-Received: by 10.50.136.134 with SMTP id qa6mr45238576igb.26.1436213663445; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] ([108.63.184.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 137sm13112387ioo.29.2015.07.06.13.14.22 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:14:23 -0700 (PDT) To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> From: Tom Taylor Message-ID: <559AE19E.9090004@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:14:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:14:25 -0000 In theory, at least, LIME needs a topology model, but it has to cover multiple layers. I'll keep an eye on this work. Tom Taylor On 01/07/2015 8:41 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > + Alex > + authors > > Sue, Jeff, > > The authors of the draft had a meeting today with one of > the authors (Alex) of the draft and discussed ways to > align the topo models. The consensus so far is that the > WILL augment the . There are some issues that need to > be worked out (mapping identifiers, termination-points), but those should > get resolved in due course of time. > > I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordinate a meeting between the authors of > the and the authors of the I2RS topo model(s) at the IETF > --- hopefully early in the week. > > Regards, > -Pavan > ... 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--_004_D970584466921040BD10823F192C30B9382DB725ESGSCMB103erics_-- From nobody Tue Jul 7 03:18:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA9911A8857 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 03:18:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8q9rDRxB2an for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 03:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg23.ericsson.net (sesbmg23.ericsson.net [193.180.251.37]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 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draft-zheng-intarea-tunneling-for-ipv6-yang-00 X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 10:18:32 -0000 --_000_D970584466921040BD10823F192C30B9382DB879ESGSCMB103erics_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guangying, Here are some comments for draft-zheng-intarea-tunneling-for-ipv6-yang-00. - I suggest that if GRE, ISATAP won't be included in this draft, y= ou could remove them from the "introduction". - Why use "feature" statement to describe "tunneling-for-ipv6"? - Typo on "feeture". - Why there is no a field be used to address the routing-instance = reference? Regards, Mandy --_000_D970584466921040BD10823F192C30B9382DB879ESGSCMB103erics_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guangying,

 

Here are some comments for draft-zheng-intarea-tunne= ling-for-ipv6-yang-00.

 

-     &= nbsp;    I suggest that if GRE, ISATAP won’t be includ= ed in this draft, you could remove them from the “introduction”= .

-     &= nbsp;    Why use “feature” statement to describe= “tunneling-for-ipv6”?

-     &= nbsp;    Typo on “feeture”.

-     &= nbsp;    Why there is no a field be used to address the rout= ing-instance reference?

 

Regards,

Mandy

--_000_D970584466921040BD10823F192C30B9382DB879ESGSCMB103erics_-- From nobody Tue Jul 7 07:26:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC7511ACC7F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:26:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3mC643jWqDgr for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A2061AC41F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:26:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=forwardok (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.203.226; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Tom Taylor'" , References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> <559AE19E.9090004@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <559AE19E.9090004@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 10:26:21 -0400 Message-ID: <04e801d0b8c0$e5c0e500$b142af00$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QL4Xs+nAlcpWbYBg5KlhQHndmfSnQeA4pA= Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:26:47 -0000 Tom: We should chat. Lime, TEAS, and I2RS are looking at multiple layer topology models. LIME is looking at the configuration of OAM. TEAS is looking at traffic engineering. I2RS is looking at Virtual topology that are created by the I2RS protocol. I2RS topology protocol independent topologies are composites from other protocol-dependent topologies. OAM could be consider one of those other protocol dependent. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Taylor Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 4:14 PM To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) In theory, at least, LIME needs a topology model, but it has to cover multiple layers. I'll keep an eye on this work. Tom Taylor On 01/07/2015 8:41 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > + Alex > + authors > > Sue, Jeff, > > The authors of the draft had a meeting today with one > of the authors (Alex) of the draft and discussed > ways to align the topo models. The consensus so far is that the > WILL augment the . There are some > issues that need to be worked out (mapping identifiers, > termination-points), but those should get resolved in due course of time. > > I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordinate a meeting between the > authors of the and the authors of the I2RS topo > model(s) at the IETF > --- hopefully early in the week. > > Regards, > -Pavan > ... _______________________________________________ Rtg-yang-coord mailing list Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord From nobody Tue Jul 7 11:23:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56911A1A92 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:22:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.055 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.055 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DOS_OUTLOOK_TO_MX=2.845, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0UEpeI0XSpk5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hickoryhill-consulting.com (hhc-web3.hickoryhill-consulting.com [64.9.205.143]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 945A81A1A90 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:22:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=174.124.203.226; From: "Susan Hares" To: "'Tom Taylor'" , References: <00d901d0ade1$194280e0$4bc782a0$@ndzh.com> <5594097C.70607@labn.net> <00d801d0b450$250e4560$6f2ad020$@ndzh.com> <559AE19E.9090004@gmail.com> <04e801d0b8c0$e5c0e500$b142af00$@ndzh.com> In-Reply-To: <04e801d0b8c0$e5c0e500$b142af00$@ndzh.com> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:22:53 -0400 Message-ID: <05b901d0b8e1$f1045610$d30d0230$@ndzh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQISFdXuYb8FEw5zRd6nzKGMwfXW3QL4Xs+nAlcpWbYBg5KlhQHndmfSAxR6esWc7x+yYA== Content-Language: en-us X-Authenticated-User: skh@ndzh.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:22:56 -0000 Tom: We are having a meeting of the TEAS And I2RS authors on Wednesday at 12:00pm ET. If you would like to listen in, please let me know. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Susan Hares Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2015 10:26 AM To: 'Tom Taylor'; rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) Tom: We should chat. Lime, TEAS, and I2RS are looking at multiple layer topology models. LIME is looking at the configuration of OAM. TEAS is looking at traffic engineering. I2RS is looking at Virtual topology that are created by the I2RS protocol. I2RS topology protocol independent topologies are composites from other protocol-dependent topologies. OAM could be consider one of those other protocol dependent. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Taylor Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 4:14 PM To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [i2rs] Requirements for I2RS protocol and I2RS interim (6/24/2015 at 10:00 - 11:30am ET) In theory, at least, LIME needs a topology model, but it has to cover multiple layers. I'll keep an eye on this work. Tom Taylor On 01/07/2015 8:41 PM, Vishnu Pavan Beeram wrote: > + Alex > + authors > > Sue, Jeff, > > The authors of the draft had a meeting today with one > of the authors (Alex) of the draft and discussed > ways to align the topo models. The consensus so far is that the > WILL augment the . There are some > issues that need to be worked out (mapping identifiers, > termination-points), but those should get resolved in due course of time. > > I'll sync up with you (Sue) and coordinate a meeting between the > authors of the and the authors of the I2RS topo > model(s) at the IETF > --- hopefully early in the week. > > Regards, > -Pavan > ... _______________________________________________ Rtg-yang-coord mailing list Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord _______________________________________________ Rtg-yang-coord mailing list Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord From nobody Tue Jul 14 07:03:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220291ACD66 for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:03:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XnLY0Gj8FSrB for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3221A1ACD5D for ; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 07:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BYT13457; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:03:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.38) by lhreml401-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.240) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 15:03:28 +0100 Received: from NKGEML501-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.10]) by nkgeml407-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.38]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 14 Jul 2015 22:03:23 +0800 From: Qin Wu To: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page Thread-Index: AdC+PdgG6u0K64SeT/G6HxsTxd++3w== Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:03:23 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.138.41.180] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA847C11AFnkgeml501mbschi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Cc: "david.sinicrope@ericsson.com" Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 14:03:43 -0000 --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA847C11AFnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here is the update to Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary We have 14 YANG model WG drafts in which 4 new was adopted recently. Also we have 30 newly developed YANG model I-Ds covering OAM, network topology, routing, Interface, Encapsulation and etc. In the summary page, we can see these YANG models have been reorganized In several topic groups. We as YANG coordinators believe authors of these Y= ANG model draft need to better Coordinate with each other if your drafts are classified into the sa= me group in the summary page. Thanks! Qin and David --_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA847C11AFnkgeml501mbschi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here is the update to Routing A= rea Yang Coordinator's Summary Page

https://trac.tools.ietf.org= /area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary

We have 14 YANG model WG drafts= in which 4 new was adopted recently.

Also we have 30 newly developed= YANG model I-Ds covering OAM,

network topology, routing, Inte= rface, Encapsulation and etc.

 

In the summary page, we can see= these YANG models have been reorganized

In several topic groups. We as = YANG coordinators believe authors of these YANG model draft need to

better Coordinate with each oth= er if your drafts are classified into the same group in the summary page.

Thanks!

 

Qin and David=

 

--_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA847C11AFnkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 07:08:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3A51A92AF for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:08:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2meR-rxeq02R for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x22b.google.com (mail-oi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 509DA1A92AE for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oihq81 with SMTP id q81so29121385oih.2 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:08:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=CChfbl5KTST6ZSLM0QpI/yOuhuEg6RfCVNAiIrZIRp4=; b=YOTdv1LCXROWlh/Aq+NGbtZUspGOZkk2sTE+cvAXfDjk7PK/4oyF59xEyLXrf7m2SP BrIwodnzoOn+4RUC4vUPKwhDv+zHYtKEKuW6fcUjT1DmofYFn0RidKllecScTaYY09rH LQPYRhUlKQY/1he/A/W9z3UTLAvd/sIcBq1DLoDiENenlLHOlYBDoNCx7RC6y8C3ct87 e10GE8nJEWk8MSVNm1nwxJNsNKDVItZ75hNFu/Sv1+YahgOov16I87GWcxJo9buVh7Md UcaD9jZb3vlxtU93V4WdHGdHCJ4lZcdJSjIylGCtum8/H5GPb7oNqV6YzORgkEQfohNs ZqhQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.58.81 with SMTP id o17mr3921017obq.13.1436969305780; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.41.99 with HTTP; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 07:08:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 10:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Qin Wu Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f83a83b06394b051aea7df2 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , "david.sinicrope@ericsson.com" Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 14:08:28 -0000 --e89a8f83a83b06394b051aea7df2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Qin and David, Thank you very much for keeping this information up to date. It really helps keep track of where we are with models. Alia On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 10:03 AM, Qin Wu wrote: > Here is the update to Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page > > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary > > We have 14 YANG model WG drafts in which 4 new was adopted recently. > > Also we have 30 newly developed YANG model I-Ds covering OAM, > > network topology, routing, Interface, Encapsulation and etc. > > > > In the summary page, we can see these YANG models have been reorganized > > In several topic groups. We as YANG coordinators believe authors of these > YANG model draft need to > > better Coordinate with each other if your drafts are classified into the > same group in the summary page. > > Thanks! > > > > Qin and David > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > --e89a8f83a83b06394b051aea7df2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Qin and David,

Thank you very much for = keeping this information up to date.=C2=A0 It really helps
keep t= rack of where we are with models.

Alia
=

On Tue, Jul 14, 2= 015 at 10:03 AM, Qin Wu <bill.wu@huawei.com> wrote:

Here is the update to Routing A= rea Yang Coordinator's Summary Page

https://t= rac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary=

We have 14 YANG model WG drafts= in which 4 new was adopted recently.

Also we have 30 newly developed= YANG model I-Ds covering OAM,

network topology, routing, Inte= rface, Encapsulation and etc.

=C2=A0

In the summary page, we can see= these YANG models have been reorganized

In several topic groups. We as = YANG coordinators believe authors of these YANG model draft need to<= u>

better Coordinate with each oth= er if your drafts are classified into the same group in the summary page.

Thanks!

=C2=A0

Qin and David

=C2=A0


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--e89a8f83a83b06394b051aea7df2-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 08:20:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 935271ACDAA for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:20:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FEIFDXbzjW-n for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpgre-esg-01.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39C851ACDB0 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 08:19:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.239.2.122]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id F1AAEDDBEDE19; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id t6FFJoP6002386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:19:50 +0200 Received: from FR712WXCHMBA15.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([169.254.7.91]) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com ([135.239.2.112]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 17:19:49 +0200 From: "Scharf, Michael (Michael)" To: Qin Wu , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page Thread-Index: AdC+PdgG6u0K64SeT/G6HxsTxd++3wA0Qd8w Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:19:49 +0000 Message-ID: <655C07320163294895BBADA28372AF5D484270AB@FR712WXCHMBA15.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: de-DE, en-US Content-Language: de-DE X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.239.27.40] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_655C07320163294895BBADA28372AF5D484270ABFR712WXCHMBA15z_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "david.sinicrope@ericsson.com" Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:20:16 -0000 --_000_655C07320163294895BBADA28372AF5D484270ABFR712WXCHMBA15z_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks. This page is really useful. A small nit: Entry 1 in "Routing Area WG Draft Table" is a successor of ent= ry 49 in "Routing Area I-D Table", i.e., a duplicate, right? Michael From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Qin Wu Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:03 PM To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org Cc: david.sinicrope@ericsson.com Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary= Page Here is the update to Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Page https://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary We have 14 YANG model WG drafts in which 4 new was adopted recently. Also we have 30 newly developed YANG model I-Ds covering OAM, network topology, routing, Interface, Encapsulation and etc. In the summary page, we can see these YANG models have been reorganized In several topic groups. We as YANG coordinators believe authors of these Y= ANG model draft need to better Coordinate with each other if your drafts are classified into the sa= me group in the summary page. Thanks! Qin and David --_000_655C07320163294895BBADA28372AF5D484270ABFR712WXCHMBA15z_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks. This page is really useful.

 

A small nit: Entry 1 in “Routing Area WG Draft Table”= is a successor of entry 49 in “Routing Area I-D Table”, i.e., = a duplicate, right?

 

Michael

 

 

From: Rtg-yang-coo= rd [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin Wu
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:03 PM
To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
Cc: david.sinicrope@ericsson.com
Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's = Summary Page

 =

Here is the update to Routing A= rea Yang Coordinator's Summary Page

https://trac.tools.ietf.org= /area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary

We have 14 YANG model WG drafts= in which 4 new was adopted recently.

Also we have 30 newly developed= YANG model I-Ds covering OAM,

network topology, routing, Inte= rface, Encapsulation and etc.

 

In the summary page, we can see= these YANG models have been reorganized

In several topic groups. We as = YANG coordinators believe authors of these YANG model draft need to

better Coordinate with each oth= er if your drafts are classified into the same group in the summary page.

Thanks!

 

Qin and David=

 

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You are= right, Michale, entry 1 in =A1=B0Routing Area WG Draft Table=A1=B1 is the replacement of entry 49 in =A1=B0Routing Area I-D Table=A1=B1,

We shou= ld delete entry 49 in =A1=B0Routing Area I-D Table=A1=B1, I will fix this in the update. Thanks.

&n= bsp;

-Qin

=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: Scharf, Michael (Michael) [mailto:michael.s= charf@alcatel-lucent.com]
=B7=A2= =CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4: 2015=C4=EA7=D4=C215=C8=D5 23:20
=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB: Qin Wu; rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
=B3=AD=CB=CD: david.sinicrope@ericsson.com
=D6=F7=CC=E2: RE: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's Summary Pa= ge

 

Thanks. This page is really useful.

 

A small nit: Entry 1 in =A1=B0Routing Area WG Draft Table=A1=B1 i= s a successor of entry 49 in =A1=B0Routing Area I-D Table=A1=B1, i.e., a du= plicate, right?

 

Michael

 

 

 

From: Rtg-yang-coo= rd [mailto:rtg-yang-coor= d-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Qin Wu
Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2015 4:03 PM
To: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org
Cc: david.sinicrope@= ericsson.com
Subject: [Rtg-yang-coord] Update of Routing Area Yang Coordinator's = Summary Page

 

Here is the update to Routing A= rea Yang Coordinator's Summary Page

https://trac.tools.ietf.org= /area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangCoordSummary

We have 14 YANG model WG drafts= in which 4 new was adopted recently.

Also we have 30 newly developed= YANG model I-Ds covering OAM,

network topology, routing, Inte= rface, Encapsulation and etc.

 

In the summary page, we can see= these YANG models have been reorganized

In several topic groups. We as = YANG coordinators believe authors of these YANG model draft need to

better Coordinate with each oth= er if your drafts are classified into the same group in the summary page.

Thanks!

 

Qin and David=

 

--_000_B8F9A780D330094D99AF023C5877DABA847C7EC5nkgeml501mbschi_-- From nobody Wed Jul 15 19:18:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0265E1B3370 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:18:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXcFTFsM_6dp for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg20.ericsson.net (usevmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 015751B3373 for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 19:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c618062d-f799e6d00000329e-6e-55a6b8e67055 Received: from EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.81]) by usevmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id E8.77.12958.6E8B6A55; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 21:47:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC003.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Wed, 15 Jul 2015 22:18:32 -0400 From: Xufeng Liu To: Ladislav Lhotka , "Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Rtg-yang-coord] FW: New Version Notification for draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHQgMmjHac1cDGr7E+G56LwjwR5op3d0tVg Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:18:31 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150424141026.19483.31466.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrMLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPoO6zHctCDa6f0ra4sGoum8Xv57eZ HZg8liz5yeSx6fIdxgCmKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6MNU8vsBfs16qYu+woSwPjY/kuRk4OCQET iR3P5rNC2GISF+6tZ+ti5OIQEjjKKLH+yk9WCGc5o8S/d5OZuhg5ONgEtCQuP3UEaRARiJK4 8e8cI4gtLJAgsePFMiaIeKLElZ5JrCDlIgJGEgc+24CEWQRUJXr7voCV8wr4SnR+X8sOYgsJ rGSUmPGSH8TmFDCQePPpNQuIzQh0z/dTa8BGMguIS9x6Mp8J4k4BiSV7zjND2KISLx//g7pf SWLO62vMEPU6Egt2f2KDsLUlli18zQyxV1Di5MwnLBMYRWchGTsLScssJC2zkLQsYGRZxchR WpxalptuZLCJERgLxyTYdHcw7nlpeYhRgINRiYd3wfxloUKsiWXFlbmHGKU5WJTEeR2j8kKF BNITS1KzU1MLUovii0pzUosPMTJxcEo1MM4+WOF/uGzC+ieLmk8dec9lx1Ikceg4q7nZ3Q3X p4g9ieCd7CWt+PpK7kkDlTi9faFRux4dOZz+3PXr04V/in9cYm7W/ecmcPLRuoWzRPedmsXG z5TvfuNcqb3C2rjshdsM9JV01vw5/3vLG/uOc3wme3Yfn/MzcUNzgGTG63s/jpRHvz6tpvRV iaU4I9FQi7moOBEAuKbZzWYCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] FW: New Version Notification for draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip-00.txt X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 02:18:36 -0000 Hi Lada, Thanks for the comments. We have updated the model to address them in https= ://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip-01. Please let us know for any further comments. Thanks, - Xufeng > -----Original Message----- > From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf O= f > Ladislav Lhotka > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:08 AM > To: Xufeng Liu; Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] FW: New Version Notification for draft-liu-= rtgwg- > yang-rip-00.txt >=20 > Hi, >=20 > I read the draft and here are my comments, mainly YANG-related: >=20 > - I'd suggest to define a common "rip" identity from which both > "ripv2" and "ripng" are derived. That is: >=20 > identity rip { > base rt:routing-protocol; > description > "Identity for the RIP routing protocol."; > } >=20 > identity ripv2 { > base "rip:rip"; > description "RIPv2"; > } >=20 > identity ripng { > base "rip:rip"; > description "RIPng"; > } >=20 > The benefits of doing so will be apparent with YANG 1.1 where the > following "when" statement will be able to cover both versions: >=20 > when "derived-from(rt:type, 'ietf-rip', 'rip')"; >=20 [Xufeng] Updated the model with the extra level of identity 'rip'.=20 > - The purpose of distribute-list should be explained in more > detail given that it is not a standard function. [Xufeng] Updated the model with more descriptions. >=20 > - The definition >=20 > leaf in-out { > type boolean; > description > "false for 'in', and true for 'out'."; > } >=20 > looks quite awkward, and without access to the data model it is > unclear what, e.g. >=20 > "in-out": true >=20 > means. I'd suggest something more reader-friendly, such as >=20 > leaf direction { > type enumeration { > enum "in"; > enum "out"; > } > } [Xufeng] Took your suggestion to use enumeration instead of Boolean. >=20 > - The leaf "distance" seems to have the same role as > "rt:protocol/rt:route-preference". Do you have any reason for > not using the latter? [Xufeng] Discussed with ospf people. It seems that you have discussed this = issue and decided to move this attribute from ip-routing to the individual = protocol. >=20 > - The range for route metric is "0..16" but both RFC 2080 and > 2453 state that the metric is a value between 1 and 15. I am > especially wondering about the value of zero - is it really > legal? [Xufeng] 0 is not legal to be advertised, but the value here is not used fo= r advertisement. It is used for manipulating metric when a route is redistr= ibuted.=20 >=20 > - The "must" statement for leaf "rip:interface" tries to make sure > that either IPv4 or IPv6 is enabled on the interface to which > the leaf refers. I think the setting of the "ip:enabled" leaf > should also be taken into account, so the "must" expression > should be >=20 > must "(../../../rt:type =3D 'rip:ripv2' and " > + "/if:interfaces/if:interface[name=3Dcurrent()]/" > + "ip:ipv4/ip:enabled =3D 'true') or " > + "(../../../rt:type =3D 'rip:ripng' and " > + "/if:interfaces/if:interface[name=3Dcurrent()]/" > + "ip:ipv6/ip:enabled =3D 'true')" [Xufeng] We intend to allow an interface to be configured even if IPv4/IPv6= is not enabled. >=20 > Lada >=20 > Xufeng Liu writes: >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > > Sent: Friday, April 24, 2015 10:10 AM > > To: Prateek Sarda; Xufeng Liu; Prateek Sarda; Xufeng Liu > > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip-00.txt > > > > > > A new version of I-D, draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip-00.txt has been successf= ully > submitted by Xufeng Liu and posted to the IETF repository. > > > > Name: draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip > > Revision: 00 > > Title: A YANG Data Model for Routing Information Protocol (RIP) > > Document date: 2015-04-24 > > Group: Individual Submission > > Pages: 26 > > URL: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-liu-rtgwg-yan= g-rip-00.txt > > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-r= ip/ > > Htmlized: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-rtgwg-yang-rip-00 > > > > > > Abstract: > > This document describes a data model for Routing Information Protoco= l > > (RIP). 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wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:39:49 -0000 Folks, There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we have not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. The four documents are: 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2. draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3. draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4. draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) /Loa -- Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Fri Jul 24 20:42:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B7B1AC42E; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:42:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.951 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.951 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XTrYC7f21B26; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pd0-x230.google.com (mail-pd0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c02::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 701FC1A8948; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pdrg1 with SMTP id g1so22408768pdr.2; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:42:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:content-transfer-encoding:subject:references:from :mime-version:in-reply-to:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=jPpkoY58X7IHNp8inA6J+Avxmi4dXwUpnfRiRzkGpLQ=; b=hk9dSYrG4QE3tLaJ0RqsjOcqDrzBm+Ww96P1ORHiLWvXFKuD5ErzKbJTsJ6BO8KXZq OAM3v5OTyDaUmdVQY+fBG6MyPYSn20cro3BLFFQ7mj2wJmt/hhtnxWDF+HxFy8KNr6wo 2AmU301XvTKTN66+p2wTTJoBB45FEN3AOfMLyDghKWvetwdNpMr0feWcGQo7HK6htKVQ W3e8YfhLRuppa1dG8/neg3Zcrw+YpTLNLCCmrRNZmSmPyGp/pau9mcsvAsPrlvmoQ0zG qcvSgQOQz6qJaEsSxsc171NSUB7M8cmqzshHXyLmmIhGgBgbx2ZB7jJSp4zhBVzBWK1D huKw== X-Received: by 10.70.118.5 with SMTP id ki5mr39223478pdb.6.1437795767916; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2602:306:cf77:df90:c9aa:529e:782a:c6ff? ([2602:306:cf77:df90:c9aa:529e:782a:c6ff]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id xs13sm17194683pac.3.2015.07.24.20.42.46 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 24 Jul 2015 20:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> From: Mahesh Jethanandani Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) In-Reply-To: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> Message-Id: <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:24:17 +0200 To: Loa Andersson X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12B466) Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 03:42:50 -0000 [with yang doctor hat on] Loa, Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each oth= er or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a co= mplete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of ques= tions arise.=20 - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could be a= n extension of the more generic mpls model)? - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic ping m= odule that interfaces with mpls module)? - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other yang= authors in their design. Thanks. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >=20 > Folks, >=20 > There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we have > not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. > The four documents are: >=20 > 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) > 2. draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) > 3. draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) > 4. draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >=20 > /Loa >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 >=20 > Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com > Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu > Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord From nobody Sat Jul 25 05:19:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105E21A1F16; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 05:19:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9Aeg1qtPfje; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 05:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ie0-x22d.google.com (mail-ie0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c03::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2F541A2182; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 05:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ietj16 with SMTP id j16so36150655iet.0; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 05:19:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=P82uMR9Ns67I01TrRPvWo2QuRi0pFfki0c7EkvGr7sQ=; b=CtDIGF7axUF4owaZemk60S3Fuhrsht2N/38BvFkkQGinZLKgpFHM2xZM6/Ol+VNUmH f+tMbWaoSb/bLIc9lJ1tE1qEyiS12u3C017isWCTrH2wtOLBv4M1lYHZS3Xb5qiQCOr6 rJwh67yTTR60kBAF/YRWaShq4udq53kQfRI/1W+drU2Y7c6HoIf/IYm2JW6+MAZ4LeHK uBwxh0wPPp9EXiE6AJDsAnVwuAbnTHtsOthFKHEXs8MqNE/BbZoEpLQWy66/nXOi4qO3 CSc/WuujSf+NR0/pOr/nAo6pzUzfNm2GynsKDMNZeqXQmAhdg3p5wKr4OQ6kf4Mlr/YN dihg== X-Received: by 10.107.4.6 with SMTP id 6mr29517749ioe.49.1437826739923; Sat, 25 Jul 2015 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (dsl-173-206-13-140.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.13.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h41sm7241044ioi.12.2015.07.25.05.18.59 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 25 Jul 2015 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT) To: Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> From: Tom Taylor Message-ID: <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 08:18:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 12:19:02 -0000 The generic ping module is a LIME work item. Tom Taylor On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > [with yang doctor hat on] > > Loa, > > Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. > > For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of questions arise. > > - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? > - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? > - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? > - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic ping module that interfaces with mpls module)? > - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? > - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? > > Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other yang authors in their design. > > Thanks. > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we have >> not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >> The four documents are: >> >> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) >> 2. draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) >> 3. draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) >> 4. draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >> >> /Loa >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > From nobody Sun Jul 26 02:21:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29F91B2A15; 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WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Taylor , Mahesh Jethanandani References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:21:16 -0000 Tom, et.al., Sure generic "ping" are for LIME, but "ping" and "LSP Ping" are not the same. /Loa On 2015-07-25 14:18, Tom Taylor wrote: > The generic ping module is a LIME work item. > > Tom Taylor > > On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >> [with yang doctor hat on] >> >> Loa, >> >> Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with >> each other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. >> >> For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked >> at a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a >> couple of questions arise. >> >> - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? >> - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they >> could be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? >> - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? >> - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic >> ping module that interfaces with mpls module)? >> - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? >> - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? >> >> Having some structure to the models would probably help these and >> other yang authors in their design. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >> >>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we have >>> not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >>> The four documents are: >>> >>> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) >>> 2. draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) >>> 3. draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) >>> 4. draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >>> >>> /Loa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> From nobody Sun Jul 26 02:54:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 338281B2A85 for ; 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WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 09:54:40 -0000 Mahesh , Some of what you are asking about is happening over in teas and was discussed in Prague: > 3 13:20 20 Title: YANG Data Model for TE Topologies > Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-yang-te-topo > Presenter: Xufeng Liu / Igor Bryskin Presentation: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-teas-3.pdf > 4 13:40 25 Title: RSVP/TE Yang Models > Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saad-teas-yang-te http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-saad-teas-yang-rsvp > Presenter: Tarek Saad > Slides: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-teas-4.pdf Also the following is likely to end up being both discussed in MPLS and TEAS as it includes TE and non-TE related information: > 5 14:05 10 Title: MPLS / TE Model for Service Provider Networks > Draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model-01 > Presenter: Ina Minei > Slides: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-teas-5.pdf Lou On 7/24/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > [with yang doctor hat on] > > Loa, > > Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. > > For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of questions arise. > > - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? > - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? > - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? > - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic ping module that interfaces with mpls module)? > - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? > - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? > > Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other yang authors in their design. > > Thanks. > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we have >> not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >> The four documents are: >> >> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) >> 2. draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) >> 3. draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) >> 4. draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >> >> /Loa >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > From nobody Sun Jul 26 07:31:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD301A891A; 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charset=windows-1252 Lou, I like the approach taken in the draft = draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach = represented in this tree model makes sense to me. +--rw mpls! +--rw global | ... +--rw te-global-attributes | ... +--rw signaling-protocols | ... +--rw lsps ... However, by its own admission, the draft says: This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all possible aspects or features of MPLS).=20 My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure as = represented above and to do a more complete work of including all = features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS.=20 Thanks. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_60693C36-09E0-4D05-AD35-7C272476EEFB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Lou,

I like the approach taken in the draft draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach represented in this tree model makes sense to me.

   +--rw mpls!
         +--rw global
         |     ...
         +--rw te-global-attributes
         |     ...
         +--rw signaling-protocols
         |     ...
         +--rw lsps
               ...

However, by its own admission, the draft says:

This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all
   possible aspects or features of MPLS).

My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. 

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani





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text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Lou Berger , Loa Andersson , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:24:16 -0000 Dear Acee, please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the core system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on are defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace them with something different should not only be discussed on the NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 seems to leave the routing scope. /js On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Hi Mahesh, > > Please comment on https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as this is the latest view of the design team. > > Thanks, > Acee > > From: Rtg-yang-coord > on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani > > Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM > To: Lou Berger > > Cc: Routing YANG >, YANG Doctors >, Loa Andersson > > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > > Lou, > > I like the approach taken in the draft draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach represented in this tree model makes sense to me. > > > +--rw mpls! > +--rw global > | ... > +--rw te-global-attributes > | ... > +--rw signaling-protocols > | ... > +--rw lsps > ... > > > However, by its own admission, the draft says: > > > This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all > possible aspects or features of MPLS). > > My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. > > Thanks. > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun Jul 26 12:50:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: 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Andersson References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Lou Berger , Loa Andersson , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 20:49:37 -0000 Acee, you pointed to a document that seems to go out of the scope of this routing yang design team and since this document is called draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-* so I felt it is necessary to react. /js On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 07:50:40PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > Juergen, > > Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS > models, I’m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, I’ve updated > the subject line to correspond to your concern. > > Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use > the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I agree > that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would need > to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > wrote: > > >Dear Acee, > > > >please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the core > >system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on are > >defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs > >were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other > >SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace > >them with something different should not only be discussed on the > >NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. > > > >Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: > > > > The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for > > coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for > > Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. > > > >It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 > >seems to leave the routing scope. > > > >/js > > > >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > >> Hi Mahesh, > >> > >> Please comment on > >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as > >>this is the latest view of the design team. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> From: Rtg-yang-coord > >>> > >> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani > >>> > >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM > >> To: Lou Berger > > >> Cc: Routing YANG > >>>, YANG Doctors > >>>, Loa Andersson > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > >> > >> Lou, > >> > >> I like the approach taken in the draft > >>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach > >>represented in this tree model makes sense to me. > >> > >> > >> +--rw mpls! > >> +--rw global > >> | ... > >> +--rw te-global-attributes > >> | ... > >> +--rw signaling-protocols > >> | ... > >> +--rw lsps > >> ... > >> > >> > >> However, by its own admission, the draft says: > >> > >> > >> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all > >> possible aspects or features of MPLS). > >> > >> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure > >>as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all > >>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Mahesh Jethanandani > >> mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > > > > >-- > >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > >Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Sun Jul 26 19:18:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D822D1A0169; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1nnSHP29ygGD; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com (mail-pa0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F7FB1A0167; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pachj5 with SMTP id hj5so42872338pac.3; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=LmaxkQCWCxzaq6Hc3sjqjyuF98wBxhXCYpf++YO0Xt8=; b=HwmOrSWeOdrbwl+dFKGGNhUtnoOTl0jPCbCSZtA87Gax3LtTRyEiho/T5zX7mfscuD +Hnrnrx6kGpMc6NuvkscB7Xu9g4i42pzk+CnTCLQpm4aSVf2I19yk+oMahizXg/qFQns brtMK9x0FnTtXGczXkEbg+zoWwWbCSVF/vKrCHxBK+HI8Ajb3oUr8xXHcJSfRsNMbkI9 SsYS193AHlfn9qn7rO2JqBBklkpXfpY8t1YD55Pwna1Tupc6LPefydwG51Yn/DzNIxTW eDSBJ2sg8wEFldrxR525Uh+kg0n7wmxt/HMCbWUEAKgj4g/c6ZUEY3c733rJDnxOP5Qh Y7iw== X-Received: by 10.66.139.193 with SMTP id ra1mr62049034pab.131.1437963520619; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sjc-mahesh-nitro11.cisco.com ([128.107.241.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id to5sm26372478pac.33.2015.07.26.19.18.33 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D143EE27-9B20-429F-9276-DE907C9A440A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <20150726204927.GA17784@elstar.local> Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2015 19:18:31 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20150726204927.GA17784@elstar.local> To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors , Lou Berger , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 02:18:44 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D143EE27-9B20-429F-9276-DE907C9A440A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Acee, Juergen=E2=80=99s concerns aside, I am curious about the intent of the = design. I see the device model as a abstract model that allows for = plenty of extensions. Since the discussion started with MPLS, I am going = to focus on that part for now.=20 BTW, the TOC in the html version of the draft have no hyper links. I see that the mpls model in the draft to be very similar to the one in = the OC MPLS draft. Is the idea that the device model is trying to define = everything under a device tree? I would have thought that the device = model would define networking-instance as a 'type identityref=E2=80=99 = which would form a base identity, and from which specific = networking-instance types would be derived, such as mpls - much like = what the interfaces model does for all types of interfaces. That will = allow the device model to be a fairly compact model, leaving the feature = specific models to be developed elsewhere. Thanks. > On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder = wrote: >=20 > Acee, >=20 > you pointed to a document that seems to go out of the scope of this > routing yang design team and since this document is called > draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-* so I felt it is necessary to react. >=20 > /js >=20 > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 07:50:40PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >> Juergen,=20 >>=20 >> Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of = MPLS >> models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, = I=E2=80=99ve updated >> the subject line to correspond to your concern. >>=20 >> Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to = use >> the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I = agree >> that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would = need >> to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Acee=20 >>=20 >> On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Dear Acee, >>>=20 >>> please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the = core >>> system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on = are >>> defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these = RFCs >>> were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in = other >>> SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace >>> them with something different should not only be discussed on the >>> NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. >>>=20 >>> Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: >>>=20 >>> The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for >>> coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for >>> Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. >>>=20 >>> It seems some of the content of = draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 >>> seems to leave the routing scope. >>>=20 >>> /js >>>=20 >>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >>>> Hi Mahesh, >>>>=20 >>>> Please comment on >>>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as >>>> this is the latest view of the design team. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>>=20 >>>> From: Rtg-yang-coord >>>> = > >>>> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani >>>> > >>>> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM >>>> To: Lou Berger > >>>> Cc: Routing YANG >>>> >, YANG = Doctors >>>> >, Loa = Andersson >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg >>>>=20 >>>> Lou, >>>>=20 >>>> I like the approach taken in the draft >>>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the = approach >>>> represented in this tree model makes sense to me. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> +--rw mpls! >>>> +--rw global >>>> | ... >>>> +--rw te-global-attributes >>>> | ... >>>> +--rw signaling-protocols >>>> | ... >>>> +--rw lsps >>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> However, by its own admission, the draft says: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all >>>> possible aspects or features of MPLS). >>>>=20 >>>> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model = structure >>>> as represented above and to do a more complete work of including = all >>>> features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks. >>>>=20 >>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >>> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | = Germany >>> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >>=20 >=20 > --=20 > Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > Fax: +49 421 200 3103 Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_D143EE27-9B20-429F-9276-DE907C9A440A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Acee,

Juergen=E2=80=99s concerns aside, I am curious about the = intent of the design. I see the device model as a abstract model that = allows for plenty of extensions. Since the discussion started with MPLS, = I am going to focus on that part for now. 

BTW, the TOC in the html version of the = draft have no hyper links.

I see that the mpls model in the draft to be very similar to = the one in the OC MPLS draft. Is the idea that the device model is = trying to define everything under a device tree? I would have thought = that the device model would define networking-instance as a 'type = identityref=E2=80=99 which would form a base identity, and from which = specific networking-instance types would be derived, such as mpls - much = like what the interfaces model does for all types of interfaces. That = will allow the device model to be a fairly compact model, leaving the = feature specific models to be developed elsewhere.

Thanks.

On Jul 26, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Juergen Schoenwaelder <j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:

Acee,

you pointed to a document that seems to go out = of the scope of this
routing yang design team and since = this document is called
draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-* so I felt = it is necessary to react.

/js

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 07:50:40PM +0000, Acee = Lindem (acee) wrote:
Juergen,

Since this E-mail = thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS
models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. = Nevertheless, I=E2=80=99ve updated
the subject line to = correspond to your concern.

Our assumption = is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use
the= existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I = agree
that any changes or augmentations to the existing = NETMOD RFCs would need
to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG.

Thanks,
Acee

On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder"
<j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote:

Dear = Acee,

please note that the interfaces model = plus the IP model plus the core
system model plus the SNMP = configuration model the IETF agreed on are
defined in RFC = 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs
were = produced by the NETMOD working group.  Work is starting in other
SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to = replace
them with something different should not only be = discussed on the
NETMOD list but also seek support from = the NETMOD working group.

Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord = says:

  The rtg-yang-coord = mailing list will provide a forum for
=   coordination of the development of YANG models being worked = on for
  Routing, in order to provide a = consistent view to the NMS.

It seems some = of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00
seems to leave the routing scope.

/js

On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at = 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
Hi Mahesh,

Please = comment on
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-m= odel/ as
this is the latest view of the design = team.

Thanks,
Acee

From: Rtg-yang-coord
<rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org>>
on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani
<mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>>
Date: = Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM
To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net<mailto:lberger@labn.net>>
Cc: Routing = YANG
<rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org>>, YANG Doctors
<yang-doctors@ietf.org<mailto:yang-doctors@ietf.org>>, Loa Andersson
<loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>>
Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the = mpls wg

Lou,

I = like the approach taken in the draft
draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the = approach
represented in this tree model makes sense to = me.


  +--rw = mpls!
=         +--rw global
        | =     ...
=         +--rw = te-global-attributes
=         | =     ...
=         +--rw = signaling-protocols
=         | =     ...
=         +--rw lsps
=             &n= bsp; ...


However, by = its own admission, the draft says:


This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover = all
  possible aspects or features of MPLS).

My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take = up the model structure
as represented above and to do a = more complete work of including all
features of MPLS, e.g. = GMPLS.

Thanks.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>






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--
Juergen Schoenwaelder =           Jacobs = University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =         Campus Ring 1 | 28759 = Bremen | Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 3103 =         <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>


-- =
Juergen Schoenwaelder =           Jacobs = University Bremen gGmbH
Phone: +49 421 200 3587 =         Campus Ring 1 | 28759 = Bremen | Germany
Fax:   +49 421 200 3103 =         <http://www.jacobs-university.de/>

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com





= --Apple-Mail=_D143EE27-9B20-429F-9276-DE907C9A440A-- From nobody Sun Jul 26 22:36:15 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE721A89A5; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:36:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_RED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hcd9JxHH64CX; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usevmg21.ericsson.net (usevmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9EB41A89A1; Sun, 26 Jul 2015 22:36:11 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c6180641-f794d6d000001dfb-0d-55b55b01fc2b Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usevmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 3D.E3.07675.10B55B55; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 00:11:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from EUSAAMB103.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.120]) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) with mapi id 14.03.0210.002; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 01:36:09 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Tom Taylor , Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg Thread-Index: AQHQxfSzBBpszcvFDEu5rxk1x880D53q3zmAgAGAFoCAAmx+UA== Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 05:36:09 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.12] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrCLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPrC5T9NZQg3d/WC3+zZ3DbHH6zTo2 i9/PbzNbXFj/i8Wib9cBRgdWj52z7rJ7LFnyk8lj1vQ2tgDmKC6blNSczLLUIn27BK6MU/t6 2Qt2ilWsnrmFsYGxV6iLkZNDQsBEYkLvA0YIW0ziwr31bF2MXBxCAkcZJRZcncgC4SxnlNh7 7TYTSBWbgJHEi4097CC2iECZxOz1x1hAbGaBeIlzi7ezgdjCAk4Smw5dYISocZY4Mv8DC4Tt JLFtzRTmLkYODhYBVYnpzQYgYV4BX4lnP5aClQgJFEmsuXCEGcTmFFCXmP+iFyzOCHTc91Nr mCBWiUvcejKfCeJoAYkle84zQ9iiEi8f/2OFsJUk5ry+xgxRryOxYPcnNghbW2LZwtfMEHsF JU7OfMIygVFsFpKxs5C0zELSMgtJywJGllWMHKXFqWW56UaGmxiB0XRMgs1xB+OCT5aHGAU4 GJV4eB883xIqxJpYVlyZe4hRmoNFSZxX2i8vVEggPbEkNTs1tSC1KL6oNCe1+BAjEwenVANj OPOnxT08LfNN9C57Ldee+sO2c/URYYYfMh8Kvkxmk/uyZ5fstcPVLPci3kqFdPNWbenyn/LG bvvqc3GL9bZf+ZulcPwnz4RIO0nxOd8KMoynvNJaOnkVh9WTmUGnat/4MuS1mb2cUBlQ/yDi ZIrk2lvPcvZ17lwVVsHjtOaJqPafrTNZjfcvUGIpzkg01GIuKk4EACl9PHyHAgAA Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 05:36:13 -0000 Hi Tom, what is relationship between MPLS LSP Ping and "generic ping" models? Or, b= etween BFD and "generic continuity check"? Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of = Tom Taylor Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:19 AM To: Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg The generic ping module is a LIME work item. Tom Taylor On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: > [with yang doctor hat on] > > Loa, > > Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each = other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. > > For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a= complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of = questions arise. > > - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? > - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could b= e an extension of the more generic mpls model)? > - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? > - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic pin= g module that interfaces with mpls module)? > - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? > - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? > > Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other y= ang authors in their design. > > Thanks. > > Mahesh Jethanandani > mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we=20 >> have not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >> The four documents are: >> >> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2.=20 >> draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3.=20 >> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4.=20 >> draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >> >> /Loa >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > _______________________________________________ Rtg-yang-coord mailing list Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord From nobody Mon Jul 27 03:40:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548C21B2ABB; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Lvu3OSHTubr; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 03:39:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cappuccino.rob.sh (cappuccino.rob.sh [IPv6:2a03:9800:10:4c::cafe:b00c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3DD7B1B2C3A; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 03:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [94.197.121.212] (helo=piccolo.local) by cappuccino.rob.sh with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1ZJfne-0008Nm-MM; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:38:27 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:38:57 +0100 From: Rob Shakir To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Juergen Schoenwaelder Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Airmail Beta (309) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="55b60a41_6b0a26b0_755b" Archived-At: Cc: Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , "=?utf-8?Q?rtg-yang-coord=40ietf.org?=" , Lou Berger , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 10:40:01 -0000 --55b60a41_6b0a26b0_755b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline My assumption, and understanding of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, i= s that the routing design team should consider usability of YANG models f= rom a routing perspective, and not constrain itself on essentially arbitr= ary IET=46-boundaries. If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to further i= ts work as any form of standard, or document that the IET=46 would choose= to commit to R=46C - then engagement with the relevant area should be so= ught, of course. I am very much opposed to considering that point parts of a solution shou= ld be set as constraints on anything that can be done relating to network= management going forward. I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the ne= tmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the best = technical solution is, rather than calling foul on =E2=80=98scope=E2=80=99= related discussions. Thanks for your consideration, r. On 26 July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee=40cisco.com) wrote:= Juergen, =20 Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS =20 models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, I=E2= =80=99ve updated =20 the subject line to correspond to your concern. =20 Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use =20 the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I agree= =20 that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD R=46Cs would nee= d =20 to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. =20 Thanks, =20 Acee =20 On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, =22Juergen Schoenwaelder=22 =20 wrote: =20 >Dear Acee, =20 > =20 >please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the core =20 >system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IET=46 agreed on are = =20 >defined in R=46C 7223, R=46C 7277, R=46C 7317, and R=46C 7407. All these= R=46Cs =20 >were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other =20 >SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace =20 >them with something different should not only be discussed on the =20 >NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. =20 > =20 >Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: =20 > =20 > The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for =20 > coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for =20 > Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. =20 > =20 >It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 =20 >seems to leave the routing scope. =20 > =20 >/js =20 > =20 >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: =20 >> Hi Mahesh, =20 >> =20 >> Please comment on =20 >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as= =20 >>this is the latest view of the design team. =20 >> =20 >> Thanks, =20 >> Acee =20 >> =20 >> =46rom: Rtg-yang-coord =20 >>> =20 >> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani =20 >>> =20 >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM =20 >> To: Lou Berger > =20 >> Cc: Routing YANG =20 >>>, YANG Doc= tors =20 >>>, Loa Andersso= n =20 >>> =20 >> Subject: Re: =5BRtg-yang-coord=5D yang models intended for the mpls wg= =20 >> =20 >> Lou, =20 >> =20 >> I like the approach taken in the draft =20 >>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach =20 >>represented in this tree model makes sense to me. =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> +--rw mpls=21 =20 >> +--rw global =20 >> =7C ... =20 >> +--rw te-global-attributes =20 >> =7C ... =20 >> +--rw signaling-protocols =20 >> =7C ... =20 >> +--rw lsps =20 >> ... =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> However, by its own admission, the draft says: =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all =20 >> possible aspects or features of MPLS). =20 >> =20 >> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure = =20 >>as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all =20 >>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. =20 >> =20 >> Thanks. =20 >> =20 >> Mahesh Jethanandani =20 >> mjethanandani=40gmail.com =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 > =20 >> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F =20 >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list =20 >> Rtg-yang-coord=40ietf.org =20 >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord =20 > =20 > =20 >-- =20 >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH =20 >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 =7C 28759 Bremen =7C Germany =20 >=46ax: +49 421 200 3103 =20 =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F Rtg-yang-coord mailing list Rtg-yang-coord=40ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord --55b60a41_6b0a26b0_755b Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

My assumption, and underst= anding of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, is that the routing design = team should consider usability of YANG models from a routing per= spective, and not constrain itself on essentially arbitrary IET=46-bounda= ries.

If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to furthe= r its work as any form of standard, or document that the IET=46 would cho= ose to commit to R=46C - then engagement with the relevant area should be= sought, of course.

I am very much opposed to considering that point parts of a s= olution should be set as constraints on anything that can be done relatin= g to network management going forward.

I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the= netmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the be= st technical solution is, rather than calling foul on =E2=80=98scope=E2=80= =99 related discussions.

Thanks for your consideration,
r.



<= /div>

On 26= July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee=40cisco.com) wrote:

Juergen, =20

Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MP= LS
models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless,= I=E2=80=99ve updated
the subject line to correspond to your concern.

Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to u= se
the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I a= gree
that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD R=46Cs would= need
to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG.

Thanks,
Acee =20

On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, =22Juergen Schoenwaelder=22
<j.schoenwaelder=40jacobs-university.de> wrote:

>Dear Acee,
>
>please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the = core
>system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IET=46 agreed = on are
>defined in R=46C 7223, R=46C 7277, R=46C 7317, and R=46C 7407. Al= l these R=46Cs
>were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in o= ther
>SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to repla= ce
>them with something different should not only be discussed on the=
>NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group.
>
>Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord sa= ys:
>
> The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for
> coordination of the development of YANG models being worked o= n for
> Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS.
>
>It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-mode= l-00
>seems to leave the routing scope.
>
>/js
>
>On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrot= e:
>> Hi Mahesh,
>> =20
>> Please comment on
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device= -model/ as
>>this is the latest view of the design team.
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>> =20
>> =46rom: Rtg-yang-coord
>><rtg-yang-coord-bounces=40ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coor= d-bounces=40ietf.org>>
>> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani
>><mjethanandani=40gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani=40gmail= .com>>
>> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM
>> To: Lou Berger <lberger=40labn.net<mailto:lberger=40la= bn.net>>
>> Cc: Routing YANG
>><rtg-yang-coord=40ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord=40ietf= .org>>, YANG Doctors
>><yang-doctors=40ietf.org<mailto:yang-doctors=40ietf.org= >>, Loa Andersson
>><loa=40pi.nu<mailto:loa=40pi.nu>>
>> Subject: Re: =5BRtg-yang-coord=5D yang models intended for t= he mpls wg
>> =20
>> Lou,
>> =20
>> I like the approach taken in the draft
>>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the = approach
>>represented in this tree model makes sense to me.
>> =20
>> =20
>> +--rw mpls=21
>> +--rw global
>> =7C ...
>> +--rw te-global-attributes
>> =7C ...
>> +--rw signaling-protocols
>> =7C ...
>> +--rw lsps
>> ...
>> =20
>> =20
>> However, by its own admission, the draft says:
>> =20
>> =20
>> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover = all
>> possible aspects or features of MPLS).
>> =20
>> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model = structure
>>as represented above and to do a more complete work of includ= ing all
>>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS.
>> =20
>> Thanks.
>> =20
>> Mahesh Jethanandani
>> mjethanandani=40gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani=40gmail.co= m>
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>
>> =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F=5F= =5F=5F
>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list
>> Rtg-yang-coord=40ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord
>
>
>-- =20
>Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
>Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 =7C 28759 Bremen =7C= Germany
>=46ax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-universit= y.de/>

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--55b60a41_6b0a26b0_755b-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 06:07:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F451B2D0D; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:07:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nMe1lMOxKumQ; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [64.71.170.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 237CB1B2D01; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:07:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lucidvision.com; s=default; t=1438002384; bh=o9ESVBLmlQEHfQS0zu+QAnGjsLbLVCKAPPM7Nw6JdhM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=WWQtmfmDTY2nqQjt1Qv2yv+NprAow6mL4Y/Uj4FwufBv8P2LyDpZGc0C9IKMt9To2 YR3NDEbo9FYVGH8a4IK00p7F6DatoNldGkSks/sQAS2eITIcrfYYdy+gh4skkEWk/U MDMTRMnkHhCnRDzZFwekCQd2yGlmayr7McMs5jRs= X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=209.37.255.2; Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D3DCABC1-88FB-4EFE-A13B-FED679827964" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Nadeau Thomas In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:06:49 -0700 Message-Id: References: To: Rob Shakir X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Authenticated-User: tnadeau@lucidvision.com X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_relay) X-Encryption: SSL encrypted X-MyRbl: Color=Yellow Age=0 Spam=0 Notspam=2 Stars=0 Good=0 Friend=0 Surbl=0 Catch=0 r=0 ip=209.37.255.2 X-IP-stats: Notspam Incoming Last 0, First 48, in=23, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=209.37.255.2 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Berger Lou , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:07:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_D3DCABC1-88FB-4EFE-A13B-FED679827964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Speaking as NETMOD co-chair: This is precisely why we are doing this effort and the others in = the way that we are - across areas, with a wide enough group of people = involved to hopefully cover the real requirements not just say server = implementations, or client implementations - we want to cover those and = operators who would using them. So if one of the outputs of a DT is to = conclude that the existing standard models are insufficient, then we = will work to revise them. The DTs should strive to recycle what is = there as much as possible, but if in the end it is insufficient there is = no other option. So in summary: The DT should not believe that it is = constrained to using only existing models as-is, =E2=80=94Tom > On Jul 27, 2015:3:38 AM, at 3:38 AM, Rob Shakir wrote: >=20 > My assumption, and understanding of the ask that the ADs put to the = DT, is that the routing design team should consider usability of YANG = models from a routing perspective, and not constrain itself on = essentially arbitrary IETF-boundaries. >=20 > If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to = further its work as any form of standard, or document that the IETF = would choose to commit to RFC - then engagement with the relevant area = should be sought, of course. >=20 > I am very much opposed to considering that point parts of a solution = should be set as constraints on anything that can be done relating to = network management going forward. >=20 > I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the = netmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the = best technical solution is, rather than calling foul on =E2=80=98scope=E2=80= =99 related discussions. >=20 > Thanks for your consideration, > r. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 26 July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com = ) wrote: >=20 >> Juergen, =20 >>=20 >> Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of = MPLS=20 >> models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, = I=E2=80=99ve updated=20 >> the subject line to correspond to your concern.=20 >>=20 >> Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to = use=20 >> the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I = agree=20 >> that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would = need=20 >> to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG.=20 >>=20 >> Thanks,=20 >> Acee =20 >>=20 >> On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder"=20 >> > wrote:=20 >>=20 >> >Dear Acee,=20 >> >=20 >> >please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the = core=20 >> >system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on = are=20 >> >defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these = RFCs=20 >> >were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other=20= >> >SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace=20= >> >them with something different should not only be discussed on the=20 >> >NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group.=20 >> >=20 >> >Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord = says:=20 >> >=20 >> > The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for=20 >> > coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for=20= >> > Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS.=20 >> >=20 >> >It seems some of the content of = draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00=20 >> >seems to leave the routing scope.=20 >> >=20 >> >/js=20 >> >=20 >> >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:=20= >> >> Hi Mahesh,=20 >> >> =20 >> >> Please comment on=20 >> = >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ = = as=20 >> >>this is the latest view of the design team.=20 >> >> =20 >> >> Thanks,=20 >> >> Acee=20 >> >> =20 >> >> From: Rtg-yang-coord=20 >> >>>>=20 >> >> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani=20 >> >>>>=20 >> >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM=20 >> >> To: Lou Berger >>=20 >> >> Cc: Routing YANG=20 >> >>>>, YANG Doctors=20 >> >>>>, Loa Andersson=20 >> >>>>=20= >> >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg=20= >> >> =20 >> >> Lou,=20 >> >> =20 >> >> I like the approach taken in the draft=20 >> >>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the = approach=20 >> >>represented in this tree model makes sense to me.=20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> +--rw mpls!=20 >> >> +--rw global=20 >> >> | ...=20 >> >> +--rw te-global-attributes=20 >> >> | ...=20 >> >> +--rw signaling-protocols=20 >> >> | ...=20 >> >> +--rw lsps=20 >> >> ...=20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> However, by its own admission, the draft says:=20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all=20 >> >> possible aspects or features of MPLS).=20 >> >> =20 >> >> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model = structure=20 >> >>as represented above and to do a more complete work of including = all=20 >> >>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS.=20 >> >> =20 >> >> Thanks.=20 >> >> =20 >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani=20 >> >> mjethanandani@gmail.com = >=20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >> =20 >> >=20 >> >> _______________________________________________=20 >> >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list=20 >> >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org =20 >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord = =20 >> >=20 >> >=20 >> >-- =20 >> >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH=20 >> >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany=20 >> >Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord = >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord = --Apple-Mail=_D3DCABC1-88FB-4EFE-A13B-FED679827964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Speaking = as NETMOD co-chair:

This is = precisely why we are doing this effort and the others in the way that we = are - across areas, with a wide enough group of people involved to = hopefully cover the real requirements not just say server = implementations, or client implementations - we want to cover those and = operators who would using them.  So if one of the outputs of a DT = is to conclude that the existing standard models are insufficient, then = we will work to revise them.  The DTs should strive to recycle what = is there as much as possible, but if in the end it is insufficient there = is no other option.  So in summary: The DT should not believe = that it is constrained to using only existing models as-is,

= =E2=80=94Tom



On = Jul 27, 2015:3:38 AM, at 3:38 AM, Rob Shakir <rjs@rob.sh> wrote:

My assumption, and understanding = of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, is that the routing design team = should consider usability of YANG models from a = routing perspective, and not constrain itself on essentially arbitrary = IETF-boundaries.

If the = output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to further its = work as any form of standard, or document that the IETF would choose to = commit to RFC - then engagement with the relevant area should be sought, = of course.

I am very much opposed to considering = that point parts of a solution should be set as constraints on anything = that can be done relating to network management going forward.

I have a feeling that this = opinion may not be aligned with that of the netmod working group - it = needs to be openly discussed as to what the best technical solution is, = rather than calling foul on =E2=80=98scope=E2=80=99 related = discussions.

Thanks for = your consideration,
r.





On 26 = July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote:

Juergen,  

Since = this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of = MPLS 
models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your = response. Nevertheless, I=E2=80=99ve updated 
the = subject line to correspond to your concern. 

Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will = attempt to use 
the existing models but will not be = constrained by them. However, I agree 
that any = changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would need 
to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. 

Thanks, 
Acee  

On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" 
<j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de> wrote: 

>Dear Acee, 
> >please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model = plus the core 
>system model plus the SNMP = configuration model the IETF agreed on are 
>defined= in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs 
>were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is = starting in other 
>SDOs to extend these models. = Hence, I think any attempts to replace 
>them with = something different should not only be discussed on the 
>NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working = group. 
> 
>Note = that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord s= ays: 
> 
> The = rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for 
> coordination of the development of YANG models being = worked on for 
> Routing, in order to provide a = consistent view to the NMS. 
> 
>It seems some of the content of = draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 
>seems to = leave the routing scope. 
> 
>/js 
> 
>On = Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) = wrote: 
>> Hi Mahesh, 
>>  
>> Please comment = on 
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-m= odel/ as 
>>this is the latest view of = the design team. 
>>  
>> Thanks, 
>> Acee 
>>  
>> From: = Rtg-yang-coord 
>><rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org>> 
>> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani 
>><mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>> 
>> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM 
>> To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net<mailto:lberger@labn.net>> 
>> Cc: Routing YANG 
>><rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org>>, YANG = Doctors 
>><yang-doctors@ietf.org<mailto:yang-doctors@ietf.org>>, Loa = Andersson 
>><loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>> 
>> = Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls = wg 
>>  
>> = Lou, 
>>  
>> I = like the approach taken in the draft 
>>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In = particular, the approach 
>>represented in this = tree model makes sense to me. 
>>  
>>  
>> +--rw = mpls! 
>> +--rw global 
>> | ... 
>> +--rw = te-global-attributes 
>> | ... 
>> +--rw signaling-protocols 
>>= | ... 
>> +--rw lsps 
>> ... 
>>  
>>  
>> However, by its = own admission, the draft says: 
>>  >>  
>> This model does = not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all 
>> possible aspects or features of MPLS). 
>>  
>> My suggestion = would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure 
>>as represented above and to do a more complete work = of including all 
>>features of MPLS, e.g. = GMPLS. 
>>  
>> = Thanks. 
>>  
>> = Mahesh Jethanandani 
>> mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com> 
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
> 
>> = _______________________________________________ 
>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list 
>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org 
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord <= br class=3D"">> 
> 
>--  
>Juergen Schoenwaelder = Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH 
>Phone: +49 421 = 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany 
>Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de/> 

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= --Apple-Mail=_D3DCABC1-88FB-4EFE-A13B-FED679827964-- From nobody Mon Jul 27 06:26:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F372B1B2D3C; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:26:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d5LcAL_uQw4Q; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E5F501B2D35; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oigd21 with SMTP id d21so51116026oig.1; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=mVYlIDEHgpLyOgi9DVthYZrHwhnDhTpm+0Ngo5M/mOQ=; b=z/WplG/cfrQq0m77iUa0l+SniHsbptfkAror/UoiAFhuyuexEqDFoF2d6glkWZrHer Zn7yAU/u8luctSd5AbotPhdo9Wt0X6FA2VhXwvgH6GN9MreAgGKKeqWXHe9gKjYI+3U8 +LkuhcffraMfoqMjkyH8m4GO1s46dnxtlvVX647VGSq3go3H6qGBpbf/ZL3z6JE+HKtw CgZavSGovmVlSzaT66pCU1/RABJ96hr3DD9tz14Ic/aYviOtAmCw82W6SRngdhPpvgxY nN3oFL3phvkGYzxDXhl0LVQsiJUEaJOaaR0FBicG1mNK0Y13su95B+CggCUSFNFAUHrf 5Duw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.171.21 with SMTP id u21mr26937578oie.113.1438003555296; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.60.41.99 with HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 06:25:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: Alia Atlas To: Rob Shakir Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cae68196cfa051bdb4bf9 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Lou Berger , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 13:26:04 -0000 --001a113cae68196cfa051bdb4bf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The constraint to routing was to try and pick a plausibly sized set of work to focus on, with the assumption it would feed into other similar work as well. Regards, Alia On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Rob Shakir wrote: > My assumption, and understanding of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, i= s > that the routing design team should consider *usability* of YANG models > from a routing perspective, and not constrain itself on essentially > arbitrary IETF-boundaries. > > If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to further > its work as any form of standard, or document that the IETF would choose = to > commit to RFC - then engagement with the relevant area should be sought, = of > course. > > I am *very* much opposed to considering that point parts of a solution > should be set as constraints on anything that can be done relating to > network management going forward. > > I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the > netmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the bes= t > technical solution is, rather than calling foul on =E2=80=98scope=E2=80= =99 related > discussions. > > Thanks for your consideration, > r. > > > > > On 26 July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote: > > Juergen, > > Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS > models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, I= =E2=80=99ve updated > the subject line to correspond to your concern. > > Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use > the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I agree > that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would need > to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > wrote: > > >Dear Acee, > > > >please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the core > >system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on are > >defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs > >were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other > >SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace > >them with something different should not only be discussed on the > >NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. > > > >Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: > > > > The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for > > coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for > > Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. > > > >It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 > >seems to leave the routing scope. > > > >/js > > > >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > >> Hi Mahesh, > >> > >> Please comment on > >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as > >>this is the latest view of the design team. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> From: Rtg-yang-coord > >>> > > >> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani > >>> > >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM > >> To: Lou Berger > > >> Cc: Routing YANG > >>>, YANG Doctors > >>>, Loa Andersson > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > >> > >> Lou, > >> > >> I like the approach taken in the draft > >>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach > >>represented in this tree model makes sense to me. > >> > >> > >> +--rw mpls! > >> +--rw global > >> | ... > >> +--rw te-global-attributes > >> | ... > >> +--rw signaling-protocols > >> | ... > >> +--rw lsps > >> ... > >> > >> > >> However, by its own admission, the draft says: > >> > >> > >> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all > >> possible aspects or features of MPLS). > >> > >> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure > >>as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all > >>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Mahesh Jethanandani > >> mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > > > > >-- > >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > >Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > --001a113cae68196cfa051bdb4bf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The constraint to routing was to try and pick a plaus= ibly sized set of work to focus on, with the assumption it would
<= div>feed into other similar work as well.
<= br>
Regards,
Alia

On Mo= n, Jul 27, 2015 at 6:38 AM, Rob Shakir <rjs@rob.sh> wrote:

My as= sumption, and understanding of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, is that = the routing design team should consider usability of YANG models f= rom a routing perspective, and not constrain itself on essentially arbitrar= y IETF-boundaries.

If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to further = its work as any form of standard, or document that the IETF would choose to= commit to RFC - then engagement with the relevant area should be sought, o= f course.

I am very much opposed to considering that point parts of a sol= ution should be set as constraints on anything that can be done relating to= network management going forward.

I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the n= etmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the best t= echnical solution is, rather than calling foul on =E2=80=98scope=E2=80=99 r= elated discussions.

Thanks for your consideration,
r.




On 26 July 2015 at 20:50:41= , Acee Lindem (acee) (a= cee@cisco.com) wrote:

<= div>
Juergen, =20

Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS
models, I=E2=80=99m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, I= =E2=80=99ve updated
the subject line to correspond to your concern.

Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use
the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I agr= ee
that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would nee= d
to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG.

Thanks,
Acee =20

On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder"
<j.schoenwaelder@jacobs-university.de>= wrote:

>Dear Acee,
>
>please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the co= re
>system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on a= re
>defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RF= Cs
>were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in oth= er
>SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace
>them with something different should not only be discussed on the
>NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group.
>
>Note that https://www.ietf.org/mail= man/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says:
>
> The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for
> coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on = for
> Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS.
>
>It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-= 00
>seems to leave the routing scope.
>
>/js
>
>On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>> Hi Mahesh,
>> =20
>> Please comment on
>>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as
>>this is the latest view of the design team.
>> =20
>> Thanks,
>> Acee
>> =20
>> From: Rtg-yang-coord
>><rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bou= nces@ietf.org>>
>> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani
>><mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>>
>> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM
>> To: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net<mailto:lberger@labn.net>>
>> Cc: Routing YANG
>><rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org<mailto:rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org>>, YANG Doctors
>><= yang-doctors@ietf.org<mailto:yang-doctors@ietf.org>>, Loa Andersson
>><loa@pi.nu<mailto:loa@pi.nu>= ;>
>> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models int= ended for the mpls wg
>> =20
>> Lou,
>> =20
>> I like the approach taken in the draft
>>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the ap= proach
>>represented in this tree model makes sense to me.
>> =20
>> =20
>> +--rw mpls!
>> +--rw global
>> | ...
>> +--rw te-global-attributes
>> | ...
>> +--rw signaling-protocols
>> | ...
>> +--rw lsps
>> ...
>> =20
>> =20
>> However, by its own admission, the draft says:
>> =20
>> =20
>> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover al= l
>> possible aspects or features of MPLS).
>> =20
>> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model st= ructure
>>as represented above and to do a more complete work of includin= g all
>>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS.
>> =20
>> Thanks.
>> =20
>> Mahesh Jethanandani
>> mjethanandani@gmail.com<mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com>
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list
>> R= tg-yang-coord@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord
>
>
>-- =20
>Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH
>Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | = 28759 Bremen | Germany
>Fax: +49 421 200 3103 <http://www.jacobs-university.de= />

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[173.206.13.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 65sm12036284iod.22.2015.07.27.08.06.01 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Gregory Mirsky , Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: Tom Taylor Message-ID: <55B648D9.7060403@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:06:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:06:05 -0000 LSP ping really corresponds to the generic tracert model, in that it provides hop-by-hop path characterization. I can see the LIME tracert RPC being invoked, and the MPLS nodes returning the parameters defined for that RPC to the extent that they correspond to what LSP ping reports. BFD seems to correspond quite nicely to LIME ping in terms of the function performed. Tom On 27/07/2015 1:36 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Tom, > what is relationship between MPLS LSP Ping and "generic ping" models? Or, between BFD and "generic continuity check"? > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Taylor > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:19 AM > To: Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson > Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > > The generic ping module is a LIME work item. > > Tom Taylor > > On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >> [with yang doctor hat on] >> >> Loa, >> >> Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. >> >> For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of questions arise. >> >> - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? >> - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? >> - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? >> - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic ping module that interfaces with mpls module)? >> - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? >> - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? >> >> Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other yang authors in their design. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >> >>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we >>> have not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >>> The four documents are: >>> >>> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2. >>> draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3. >>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4. >>> draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >>> >>> /Loa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > From nobody Mon Jul 27 08:18:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A4251B2EA2; 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Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:18:18 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Tom Taylor , Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg Thread-Index: AQHQxfSzBBpszcvFDEu5rxk1x880D53q3zmAgAGAFoCAAmx+UIAA5teA//++GAA= Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:18:19 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122188504D@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <55B648D9.7060403@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55B648D9.7060403@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPrO6E91tDDa4us7L4N3cOs8XpN+vY LH4/v81scWH9LxaLvl0HGB1YPXbOusvusWTJTyaPWdPb2AKYo7hsUlJzMstSi/TtErgyJi9/ xFRwWbmi9cw0lgbGFzJdjJwcEgImEsu7JrBB2GISF+6tB7K5OIQEjjJKLHzWxAjhLGeUOHF2 ITtIFZuAkcSLjT1gtohAmcTs9cdYQGxmgXiJc4u3g00SFnCS2HToAiNEjbPEkfkfWCBsP4l7 MyaC1bAIqEo0bLwFFOfg4BXwlei+qQyx6yqjxOdPS8B6OQU0JSZ3/wHbxQh03fdTa5ggdolL 3HoynwniagGJJXvOM0PYohIvH/9jhbCVJCYtPccKUa8jsWD3JzYIW1ti2cLXYPW8AoISJ2c+ YZnAKDYLydhZSFpmIWmZhaRlASPLKkaO0uLUstx0I4NNjMB4OibBpruDcc9Ly0OMAhyMSjy8 D55vCRViTSwrrsw9xCjNwaIkzusYlRcqJJCeWJKanZpakFoUX1Sak1p8iJGJg1OqgXGr0boO 4f7Tj1x+zZfru6B3ju0S08to4ezEGQ0hYo87wiYXBDiVrPywXlzx3vwW/Ybc/LbrzrE3WpvN f7xlXB64Y9nlG/+778nuLyk5u3gb24uYVVtbuc0zD9ctdp8nepJR8Ynq8voNBj87Y67uXJ1x eb3O6ec/CzLkGqOq02PdVxTPTnQy4FZiKc5INNRiLipOBABN4yhmiAIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:18:23 -0000 Hi Tom, I think I cannot agree with any of your comparisons. LSP Ping provides both on-demand ping and traceroute functions. BFD, if you refer to RFC 5880, provides variety of functions, primarily as = proactive continuity check (Asynchronous and on-demand modes, as well as pi= ng by Echo mode). RFC 5884 BFD over MPLS LSP consider only Asynchronous mod= e. One can argue that ping may be used as proactive continuity check mechanism= but that is not what it was originally designed and such application would= , most likely, require use of another application, e.g. Measurement Agent p= er LMAP Reference model. I think it would be really helpful to define relationships between objects = of LIME model and models specified in MPLS, BFD and other groups that had d= eveloped OAM tools that broadly used in the industry. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:06 AM To: Gregory Mirsky; Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg LSP ping really corresponds to the generic tracert model, in that it provid= es hop-by-hop path characterization. I can see the LIME tracert RPC being i= nvoked, and the MPLS nodes returning the parameters defined for that RPC to= the extent that they correspond to what LSP ping reports. BFD seems to correspond quite nicely to LIME ping in terms of the function = performed. Tom On 27/07/2015 1:36 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Tom, > what is relationship between MPLS LSP Ping and "generic ping" models? Or,= between BFD and "generic continuity check"? > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Tom Taylor > Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:19 AM > To: Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson > Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > > The generic ping module is a LIME work item. > > Tom Taylor > > On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >> [with yang doctor hat on] >> >> Loa, >> >> Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each= other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. >> >> For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at = a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of= questions arise. >> >> - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? >> - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could = be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? >> - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? >> - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic pi= ng module that interfaces with mpls module)? >> - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? >> - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? >> >> Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other = yang authors in their design. >> >> Thanks. >> >> Mahesh Jethanandani >> mjethanandani@gmail.com >> >>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>> >>> Folks, >>> >>> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we=20 >>> have not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents= . >>> The four documents are: >>> >>> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2. >>> draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3. >>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4. >>> draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >>> >>> /Loa >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > From nobody Mon Jul 27 08:34:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D580F1B2ED2; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iA0NTBQLwfb8; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x232.google.com (mail-oi0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04E011B2ECC; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oige126 with SMTP id e126so53665647oig.0; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GK7/RKmkFmO8EedogRkqLBACOomy2zKrqADVa3wnerw=; b=ZwZth4HKar057jVhgtZwrmNBF/bA3uwa9NTAKsSYooA6hfQyK6r99F3LBRF3rRj6do 5wQuLyyq2ENd+j7twzb0RWmWq4IFfzoaoD04gIs56r6fIYPO0VN/B1xFZxFFPzte0+q/ FvDqEfUO0m8WgEUwCwr4AfHYyHxFnjW+YR02OeR9l6HQAyUwatmnlV8XEGwiARdj3ejl PWLmejmK1d6VUrGgahbzhN5gLF0pz/s0n2ZSlP3EqTn+NqNXaTvPhcfCKOpQ8np9gEBu ejS2QZKRAuaDt5IayzxIeB0wYQouHiRVamTwDxDpB4RM7MP0FiO8Bp/oUHyFwXki6Ngl uUjQ== X-Received: by 10.107.47.224 with SMTP id v93mr43077481iov.86.1438011256405; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (dsl-173-206-13-140.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.13.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 90sm12082777iog.35.2015.07.27.08.34.15 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 08:34:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Gregory Mirsky , Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <55B648D9.7060403@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122188504D@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: Tom Taylor Message-ID: <55B64F77.9010308@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:34:15 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122188504D@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:34:26 -0000 I am not claiming that the capabilities of LSP ping are limited to those of tracert, or that the capabilities of BFD are limited to those of ping. I am saying that if I want to request these two functions (continuity check and hop-by-hop path characterization) at a generic level then the corresponding implementations at the MPLS technology-specific level would be invoked when the LIME RPCs were invoked at the boundaries of an MPLS segment. The idea would be that once a fault was localized to that segment and to the MPLS layer as opposed to a supporting layer, the manager could invoke the technology-specific models as necessary to get details. Tom On 27/07/2015 11:18 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Tom, > I think I cannot agree with any of your comparisons. > LSP Ping provides both on-demand ping and traceroute functions. > BFD, if you refer to RFC 5880, provides variety of functions, primarily as proactive continuity check (Asynchronous and on-demand modes, as well as ping by Echo mode). RFC 5884 BFD over MPLS LSP consider only Asynchronous mode. > One can argue that ping may be used as proactive continuity check mechanism but that is not what it was originally designed and such application would, most likely, require use of another application, e.g. Measurement Agent per LMAP Reference model. > > I think it would be really helpful to define relationships between objects of LIME model and models specified in MPLS, BFD and other groups that had developed OAM tools that broadly used in the industry. > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:06 AM > To: Gregory Mirsky; Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson > Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > > LSP ping really corresponds to the generic tracert model, in that it provides hop-by-hop path characterization. I can see the LIME tracert RPC being invoked, and the MPLS nodes returning the parameters defined for that RPC to the extent that they correspond to what LSP ping reports. > > BFD seems to correspond quite nicely to LIME ping in terms of the function performed. > > Tom > > On 27/07/2015 1:36 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> what is relationship between MPLS LSP Ping and "generic ping" models? Or, between BFD and "generic continuity check"? >> >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On >> Behalf Of Tom Taylor >> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:19 AM >> To: Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson >> Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg >> >> The generic ping module is a LIME work item. >> >> Tom Taylor >> >> On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >>> [with yang doctor hat on] >>> >>> Loa, >>> >>> Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. >>> >>> For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of questions arise. >>> >>> - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? >>> - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? >>> - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? >>> - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic ping module that interfaces with mpls module)? >>> - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? >>> - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? >>> >>> Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other yang authors in their design. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>>> >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we >>>> have not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >>>> The four documents are: >>>> >>>> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2. >>>> draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3. >>>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4. >>>> draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >>>> >>>> /Loa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>>> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> > From nobody Mon Jul 27 08:52:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8D6F1B2FCB; 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Mon, 27 Jul 2015 11:51:12 -0400 From: Gregory Mirsky To: Tom Taylor , Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg Thread-Index: AQHQxfSzBBpszcvFDEu5rxk1x880D53q3zmAgAGAFoCAAmx+UIAA5teA//++GACAAEnLgP//wC/A Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:51:12 +0000 Message-ID: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112218850B1@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <55B648D9.7060403@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122188504D@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <55B64F77.9010308@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55B64F77.9010308@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.10] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPiK72662hBk9WG1j8mzuH2eL0m3Vs Fr+f32a2uLD+F4tF364DjA6sHjtn3WX3WLLkJ5PHrOltbAHMUVw2Kak5mWWpRfp2CVwZlz9M Zim4o1/xf+5jlgbGM2pdjJwcEgImEtev/2GBsMUkLtxbz9bFyMUhJHCUUeLB9RYmCGc5o8Ts fT2MIFVsAkYSLzb2sIPYIgJlErPXHwPrZhaIlzi3eDsbiC0s4CSx6dAFRogaZ4kj8z8A1XAA 2VES3za4goRZBFQl1v3qAWvlFfCVWP14F9SuHUwS09avAZvPKaApcf3VcrA5jEDXfT+1hgli l7jErSfzmSCuFpBYsuc8M4QtKvHy8T9WCFtJYtLSc6wQ9ToSC3Z/YoOwtSWWLXzNDLFYUOLk zCcsExjFZiEZOwtJyywkLbOQtCxgZFnFyFFanFqWm25kuIkRGE/HJNgcdzAu+GR5iFGAg1GJ h/fB8y2hQqyJZcWVuYcYpTlYlMR5pf3yQoUE0hNLUrNTUwtSi+KLSnNSiw8xMnFwSjUwmrfu jIs2kpuW+3u2eLTptM8/Wpy4shOsLSbPZvr50Oy56r8lM+sdc6/tXhp0zY2lwvz/HcUrGq9F v8QqMk549dTkXibb7Mxvk785Gb0zkNggLhnPsOtMmsxe9/UCPua+akWbZz/8dY318ZVLPB/2 BiaL5P+cJ8xUIMe3kpvpxJLuyhR3tV+HlViKMxINtZiLihMBVyMLdIgCAAA= Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 15:52:31 -0000 Hi Tom, I don't think that BFD is or will be used as on-demand OAM tool as it does = not have localization capability. Ping or traceroute are more suitable, in = my opinion. But if that is how LIME model maps existing OAM tools, then I'd= encourage presenting and asking for review of the LIME model by WGs that d= esigned this OAM mechanisms, e.g. MPLS Ping and BFD. Regards, Greg -----Original Message----- From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:34 AM To: Gregory Mirsky; Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg I am not claiming that the capabilities of LSP ping are limited to those of= tracert, or that the capabilities of BFD are limited to those of ping. I a= m saying that if I want to request these two functions (continuity check an= d hop-by-hop path characterization) at a generic level then the correspondi= ng implementations at the MPLS technology-specific level would be invoked w= hen the LIME RPCs were invoked at the boundaries of an MPLS segment. The idea would be that once a fault was localized to that segment and to th= e MPLS layer as opposed to a supporting layer, the manager could invoke the= technology-specific models as necessary to get details. Tom On 27/07/2015 11:18 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Tom, > I think I cannot agree with any of your comparisons. > LSP Ping provides both on-demand ping and traceroute functions. > BFD, if you refer to RFC 5880, provides variety of functions, primarily a= s proactive continuity check (Asynchronous and on-demand modes, as well as = ping by Echo mode). RFC 5884 BFD over MPLS LSP consider only Asynchronous m= ode. > One can argue that ping may be used as proactive continuity check mechani= sm but that is not what it was originally designed and such application wou= ld, most likely, require use of another application, e.g. Measurement Agent= per LMAP Reference model. > > I think it would be really helpful to define relationships between object= s of LIME model and models specified in MPLS, BFD and other groups that had= developed OAM tools that broadly used in the industry. > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:06 AM > To: Gregory Mirsky; Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson > Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > > LSP ping really corresponds to the generic tracert model, in that it prov= ides hop-by-hop path characterization. I can see the LIME tracert RPC being= invoked, and the MPLS nodes returning the parameters defined for that RPC = to the extent that they correspond to what LSP ping reports. > > BFD seems to correspond quite nicely to LIME ping in terms of the functio= n performed. > > Tom > > On 27/07/2015 1:36 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> what is relationship between MPLS LSP Ping and "generic ping" models? Or= , between BFD and "generic continuity check"? >> >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On=20 >> Behalf Of Tom Taylor >> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:19 AM >> To: Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson >> Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg >> >> The generic ping module is a LIME work item. >> >> Tom Taylor >> >> On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >>> [with yang doctor hat on] >>> >>> Loa, >>> >>> Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with eac= h other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. >>> >>> For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at= a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple o= f questions arise. >>> >>> - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? >>> - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could= be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? >>> - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? >>> - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic p= ing module that interfaces with mpls module)? >>> - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? >>> - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? >>> >>> Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other= yang authors in their design. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>> >>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>>> >>>> Folks, >>>> >>>> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we=20 >>>> have not yet started the process of adoption as working group document= s. >>>> The four documents are: >>>> >>>> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2. >>>> draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3. >>>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4. >>>> draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >>>> >>>> /Loa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>>> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >> > From nobody Mon Jul 27 09:34:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74BA31B304B; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:34:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BzvSM4qgaB5t; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:34:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ig0-x235.google.com (mail-ig0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c05::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 437AD1B2B93; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by igbpg9 with SMTP id pg9so84575155igb.0; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=yRaaZyjcVa/SC6YuH0Rn6U2U5whZzm7MTPZAw1legro=; b=S8XNjhmlfG0t7SZvzeMFHa+boa++/rRKG44vgMN8cDmofgc9eeOhMpWhqt0LmATlwu oh4oKBFBagD74VhK01A3l/IPEpBVlrBnNgncDxJeDnL4C6p5Pe8lTm+2j60dPAMbIFmc BlRhHTm6mIS+rH09GxxpewxfQi5EeoIrhD0j5yhy7I2/uLkwsnvanBQ/99pB7eZ1Acgd BT/Y5UvysrVdhIm3v1jHczs0+4C4iTK9+Pww/oRSEDfUPUWkDxgfuGzGG+CEfkaqvTQu F+8rjfKdo0whW7NhxSExZZTISr3qNDlExXRQ1S3QQT0361avWzybCMXoJKflJlbhQhia Q8Ww== X-Received: by 10.50.64.147 with SMTP id o19mr20407471igs.33.1438014871612; Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.135] (dsl-173-206-13-140.tor.primus.ca. [173.206.13.140]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j3sm6336337ige.0.2015.07.27.09.34.30 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 27 Jul 2015 09:34:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Gregory Mirsky , Mahesh Jethanandani , Loa Andersson References: <55B207DD.8060502@pi.nu> <5436B667-6766-4F3D-902E-C4929D4A0240@gmail.com> <55B37EB3.60508@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF11221884D17@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <55B648D9.7060403@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF1122188504D@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> <55B64F77.9010308@gmail.com> <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112218850B1@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> From: Tom Taylor Message-ID: <55B65D96.9050608@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 12:34:30 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7347100B5761DC41A166AC17F22DF112218850B1@eusaamb103.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2015 16:34:40 -0000 I do not consider ping to have localization capability. That's why I consider BFD to be the functional equivalent. Review is certainly something that LIME will welcome, I'm sure. Tom On 27/07/2015 11:51 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: > Hi Tom, > I don't think that BFD is or will be used as on-demand OAM tool as it does not have localization capability. Ping or traceroute are more suitable, in my opinion. But if that is how LIME model maps existing OAM tools, then I'd encourage presenting and asking for review of the LIME model by WGs that designed this OAM mechanisms, e.g. MPLS Ping and BFD. > > Regards, > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:34 AM > To: Gregory Mirsky; Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson > Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors > Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > > I am not claiming that the capabilities of LSP ping are limited to those of tracert, or that the capabilities of BFD are limited to those of ping. I am saying that if I want to request these two functions (continuity check and hop-by-hop path characterization) at a generic level then the corresponding implementations at the MPLS technology-specific level would be invoked when the LIME RPCs were invoked at the boundaries of an MPLS segment. > > The idea would be that once a fault was localized to that segment and to the MPLS layer as opposed to a supporting layer, the manager could invoke the technology-specific models as necessary to get details. > > Tom > > On 27/07/2015 11:18 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> I think I cannot agree with any of your comparisons. >> LSP Ping provides both on-demand ping and traceroute functions. >> BFD, if you refer to RFC 5880, provides variety of functions, primarily as proactive continuity check (Asynchronous and on-demand modes, as well as ping by Echo mode). RFC 5884 BFD over MPLS LSP consider only Asynchronous mode. >> One can argue that ping may be used as proactive continuity check mechanism but that is not what it was originally designed and such application would, most likely, require use of another application, e.g. Measurement Agent per LMAP Reference model. >> >> I think it would be really helpful to define relationships between objects of LIME model and models specified in MPLS, BFD and other groups that had developed OAM tools that broadly used in the industry. >> >> Regards, >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Tom Taylor [mailto:tom.taylor.stds@gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 8:06 AM >> To: Gregory Mirsky; Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson >> Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg >> >> LSP ping really corresponds to the generic tracert model, in that it provides hop-by-hop path characterization. I can see the LIME tracert RPC being invoked, and the MPLS nodes returning the parameters defined for that RPC to the extent that they correspond to what LSP ping reports. >> >> BFD seems to correspond quite nicely to LIME ping in terms of the function performed. >> >> Tom >> >> On 27/07/2015 1:36 AM, Gregory Mirsky wrote: >>> Hi Tom, >>> what is relationship between MPLS LSP Ping and "generic ping" models? Or, between BFD and "generic continuity check"? >>> >>> Regards, >>> Greg >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rtg-yang-coord [mailto:rtg-yang-coord-bounces@ietf.org] On >>> Behalf Of Tom Taylor >>> Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 5:19 AM >>> To: Mahesh Jethanandani; Loa Andersson >>> Cc: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org; YANG Doctors >>> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg >>> >>> The generic ping module is a LIME work item. >>> >>> Tom Taylor >>> >>> On 24/07/2015 9:24 AM, Mahesh Jethanandani wrote: >>>> [with yang doctor hat on] >>>> >>>> Loa, >>>> >>>> Has there been any discussion around how these models interact with each other or how the mpls WG would like to see the models structured. >>>> >>>> For example, from this list of models (and I admit I have not looked at a complete list of mpls related yang models or each in detail), a couple of questions arise. >>>> >>>> - Is there a plan for a generic mpls yang model? >>>> - plan for a more specific mpls-tp, mpls-te etc. yang model (they could be an extension of the more generic mpls model)? >>>> - plan for a generic ping module (may belong in NETMOD WG)? >>>> - plan for a mpls ping module (again an extension of the more generic ping module that interfaces with mpls module)? >>>> - plan for a ldp module that interfaces with the mpls module? >>>> - plan for a rsvp-te module that interfaces with mpls-te module? >>>> >>>> Having some structure to the models would probably help these and other yang authors in their design. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>>> >>>>> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Loa Andersson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Folks, >>>>> >>>>> There are four yang models intended for the MPLS working group, we >>>>> have not yet started the process of adoption as working group documents. >>>>> The four documents are: >>>>> >>>>> 1. draft-zhang-mpls-tp-yang-oam (announced earlier) 2. >>>>> draft-zheng-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-cfg (announced now) 3. >>>>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model (announced now) 4. >>>>> draft-raza-mpls-ldp-mldp-yang (announced now) >>>>> >>>>> /Loa >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Loa Andersson email: loa@mail01.huawei.com >>>>> Senior MPLS Expert loa@pi.nu >>>>> Huawei Technologies (consultant) phone: +46 739 81 21 64 >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>>>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>> >> > From nobody Mon Jul 27 15:27:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E071B34DF; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Acee, The boiler plate goals and approach does not answer what I thought was a ver= y specific question. Let me reiterate: What was thought behind defining a mpls feature in the devices model, vs say= defining networking-instance as a 'type identityref=E2=80=99 which would fo= rm a base identity, and from which specific networking-instance types such a= s mpls would be derived?=20 The latter in my mind lays the framework for how models could augment the ba= se devices model without defining each and every feature, while the former h= as to define at least a basic model for each feature which then would have t= o be augmented anyway to realize the full feature. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com > On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:14 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >=20 > Is the idea that the device model is trying to define everything under a d= evice tree? I would have thought that the device model would define networki= ng-instance as a 'type identityref=E2=80=99 which would form a base identity= , and from which specific networking-instance types would be derived, such a= s mpls - much like what the interfaces model does for all types of interface= s. That will allow the device model to be a fairly compact model, leaving th= e feature specific models to be developed elsewhere. >=20 >=20 > The design team started with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-openconfig-netm= od-model-structure-00.txt and went through several iterations. The motivatio= n excerpted from this draft is:=20 >=20 > 1.1. Goals and approach >=20 > In this document, we describe a structure for organizing YANG > [RFC6020] models that is broadly applicable to physical and virtual > devices. Individual models are composed such that the data they > define can be accessed in a predictable and operationally intuitive > way that is common across implementations. This organization enables > several important capabilities: >=20 > o a common schema to access data related to all aspects of a device >=20 > o an extensible structure that makes it clear where additional > models or data should be fit (e.g., using YANG augmentation or > imports) >=20 > o a place for including metadata that provides useful information > about the corresponding individual models, such as which > organization provides them, which vendors support them, or which > version of the model is deployed >=20 > o a common infrastructure model layer on which higher layer service > models can be built, for example by specifying which models are > needed to provide the service >=20 > o an ability to express an instance of the structure consisting of > models that have been validated to work together (i.e., with > information about sources of the models, their versions, etc.), so > that operators can easily identify a set of models that is known > to be mutually consistent >=20 > Our approach is to organize the models describing various aspects of > network infrastructure, including devices and their subsystems, and > relevant protocols operating at the link and network layers. The > proposal does not consider a common model for higher level network > services, nor does it specify details of how hardware-related data > should be organized. Both of these are challenging to standardize -- > services are subject to operational and business considerations that > vary across network operators, and hardware models are necessarily > dependent on specific platform features and architecture -- and are > thus out of scope of this document. We instead consider the set of > models that are commonly used by network operators, and suggest a > corresponding organization. >=20 > As with other models developed from an operator perspective, the > intent is not to be exhaustive by including all possible models in > the overall structure, whether currently available or not. We focus > on components that are deemed most useful for network operators > across a variety of use cases. We recognize, however, that > additional models will be needed in some cases, and this structure is > useful for describing how new models can be fit into the overall > structure. --Apple-Mail-733199F4-97F0-4C50-BB83-87EEC2C2EACF Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Acee,

The boi= ler plate goals and approach does not answer what I thought was a very speci= fic question. Let me reiterate:

What was thought be= hind defining a mpls feature in the devices model, vs say defining networking-instance as a= 'type identityref=E2=80=99 which would form a base identity, and from which= specific networking-instance types such as mpls would be derived? 

The latter in my mind lays the framework for ho= w models could augment the base devices model without defining each and ever= y feature, while the former has to define at least a basic model for each fe= ature which then would have to be augmented anyway to realize the full featu= re.

Mahesh Jethanandani

On Jul 27, 2015, at 7:14 A= M, Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

Is the idea that the devi= ce model is trying to define everything under a device tree? I would have th= ought that the device model would define networking-instance as a 'type iden= tityref=E2=80=99 which would form a base identity, and from which specific networking-instance types would be derived, such as mpls - much like what t= he interfaces model does for all types of interfaces. That will allow the de= vice model to be a fairly compact model, leaving the feature specific models= to be developed elsewhere.


The design team started with https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-openc= onfig-netmod-model-structure-00.txt and went through several iterations.= The motivation excerpted from this draft is: 

1.1.  Goals and approach<= /div>

   In this document, we des= cribe a structure for organizing YANG
   [RFC6020] models that is= broadly applicable to physical and virtual
   devices.  Individua= l models are composed such that the data they
   define can be accessed i= n a predictable and operationally intuitive
   way that is common acros= s implementations.  This organization enables
   several important capabi= lities:

   o  a common schema t= o access data related to all aspects of a device

   o  an extensible st= ructure that makes it clear where additional
      models or data s= hould be fit (e.g., using YANG augmentation or
      imports)<= /div>

   o  a place for incl= uding metadata that provides useful information
      about the corres= ponding individual models, such as which
      organization pro= vides them, which vendors support them, or which
      version of the m= odel is deployed

   o  a common infrast= ructure model layer on which higher layer service
      models can be bu= ilt, for example by specifying which models are
      needed to provid= e the service

   o  an ability to ex= press an instance of the structure consisting of
      models that have= been validated to work together (i.e., with
      information abou= t sources of the models, their versions, etc.), so
      that operators c= an easily identify a set of models that is known
      to be mutually c= onsistent

   Our approach is to organ= ize the models describing various aspects of
   network infrastructure, i= ncluding devices and their subsystems, and
   relevant protocols opera= ting at the link and network layers.  The
   proposal does not consid= er a common model for higher level network
   services, nor does it sp= ecify details of how hardware-related data
   should be organized. &nb= sp;Both of these are challenging to standardize --
   services are subject to o= perational and business considerations that
   vary across network oper= ators, and hardware models are necessarily
   dependent on specific pl= atform features and architecture -- and are
   thus out of scope of thi= s document.  We instead consider the set of
   models that are commonly= used by network operators, and suggest a
   corresponding organizati= on.

   As with other models dev= eloped from an operator perspective, the
   intent is not to be exha= ustive by including all possible models in
   the overall structure, w= hether currently available or not.  We focus
   on components that are d= eemed most useful for network operators
   across a variety of use c= ases.  We recognize, however, that
   additional models will b= e needed in some cases, and this structure is
   useful for describing ho= w new models can be fit into the overall
   structure.
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\(2098\)) From: Mahesh Jethanandani In-Reply-To: <6D8CFA7E-4E24-4FC2-BB69-31F4F436ACFC@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 09:13:21 -0700 Message-Id: References: <20150726204927.GA17784@elstar.local> <022BA705-5EA2-4C4D-B012-EF2946F5F523@gmail.com> <6D8CFA7E-4E24-4FC2-BB69-31F4F436ACFC@cisco.com> To: "Acee Lindem (acee)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , YANG Doctors , Lou Berger , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 16:13:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_842BFC84-3787-4BB2-8907-73A3542E9FA0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Acee, > On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:07 AM, Acee Lindem (acee) = wrote: >=20 > The networking-instance is used to instantiate separate layer-3 or = layer-2 domains as opposed to protocol domains. For example, in many = implementations, a networking-instance would correspond to a VRF or a = Virtual Switch Instance (VSI). Hence, it would not make sense to define = a separate networking-instance for MPLS since it is only one piece of a = layer-3 domain.=20 Ok. Similarly, could oam-protocols, control-plane-protocols, = system-management, networking-services be identityrefs also? mpls could = be part of tunneling-protocols that would include protocols such as gre.=20= My concern with the model as it is structured, is its size. Not in terms = of code size (because you are using groupings judiciously) but the = ultimate size of the tree. I expect the device model to lay the = framework for other models to augment the model. In addition, groupings = cannot be augmented and if there is a new system-management definition = tomorrow, the current structure does not allow for that to be added. Mahesh Jethanandani mjethanandani@gmail.com --Apple-Mail=_842BFC84-3787-4BB2-8907-73A3542E9FA0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Acee,

On Jul 28, 2015, at 7:07 AM, = Acee Lindem (acee) <acee@cisco.com> wrote:

The networking-instance is used to instantiate = separate layer-3 or layer-2 domains as opposed to protocol domains. For = example, in many implementations, a networking-instance would correspond = to a VRF or a Virtual Switch Instance (VSI). Hence, it would not make = sense to define a separate networking-instance for MPLS since it is only = one piece of a layer-3 domain. 

Ok.

Similarly, = could oam-protocols, control-plane-protocols, system-management, = networking-services be identityrefs also? mpls could be part of = tunneling-protocols that would include protocols such as = gre. 

My concern with the model = as it is structured, is its size. Not in terms of code size (because you = are using groupings judiciously) but the ultimate size of the tree. I = expect the device model to lay the framework for other models to augment = the model. In addition, groupings cannot be augmented and if there is a = new system-management definition tomorrow, the current structure does = not allow for that to be added.

Mahesh Jethanandani
mjethanandani@gmail.com



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Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 19:16:28 -0000 On 07/28/2015 02:29 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > However, the design team is > certainly open to suggestions if you have a better representation. Going a step further, we'd love to hear more from you on this -- although perhaps we should do this off list (and on a call). I'll send mail... Thanks, Lou From nobody Thu Jul 30 02:18:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC921B2D97; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:18:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.86 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.86 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mNro8deGEPdS; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de (atlas3.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7967F1B2DA2; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 02:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (demetrius5.irc-it.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0F3100C; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from atlas3.jacobs-university.de ([10.70.0.220]) by localhost (demetrius5.jacobs-university.de [10.70.0.222]) (amavisd-new, port 10030) with ESMTP id 04YHjwlXI5zg; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de (hermes.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.23]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hermes.jacobs-university.de", Issuer "Jacobs University CA - G01" (verified OK)) by atlas3.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.46]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 091E620046; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at jacobs-university.de Received: from hermes.jacobs-university.de ([212.201.44.23]) by localhost (demetrius1.jacobs-university.de [212.201.44.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v1J67Cd1BNCf; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elstar.local (elstar.jacobs.jacobs-university.de [10.50.231.133]) by hermes.jacobs-university.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7EFB20045; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elstar.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 2675435F5B6B; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:28 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:18:28 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Rob Shakir Message-ID: <20150730091828.GC16332@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FQ=3Frtg-yang-coord=3D40ietf?= =?us-ascii?Q?=2E?= org?= , Lou Berger , Loa Andersson References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: =?us-ascii?Q?=3D=3Futf-8=3FQ=3Frtg-yang-coord=3D40ietf=2E?= org?= , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Lou Berger , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:18:39 -0000 I disagree that a routing design team can be in charge to do work that fundamentally affects several standards-track RFCs that only marginally are routing specific. Yes, I agree a discussion needs to be held. Being old fashioned, I believe the place to have this discussions that affects 'network management going forward' is the OPS area. /js On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:38:57AM +0100, Rob Shakir wrote: > My assumption, and understanding of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, is that the routing design team should consider usability of YANG models from a routing perspective, and not constrain itself on essentially arbitrary IETF-boundaries. > > If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to further its work as any form of standard, or document that the IETF would choose to commit to RFC - then engagement with the relevant area should be sought, of course. > > I am very much opposed to considering that point parts of a solution should be set as constraints on anything that can be done relating to network management going forward. > > I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the netmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the best technical solution is, rather than calling foul on ‘scope’ related discussions. > > Thanks for your consideration, > r. > > > > > On 26 July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote: > > Juergen, > > Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS > models, I’m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, I’ve updated > the subject line to correspond to your concern. > > Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use > the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I agree > that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would need > to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. > > Thanks, > Acee > > On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" > wrote: > > >Dear Acee, > > > >please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the core > >system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on are > >defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs > >were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other > >SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace > >them with something different should not only be discussed on the > >NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. > > > >Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: > > > > The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for > > coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for > > Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. > > > >It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 > >seems to leave the routing scope. > > > >/js > > > >On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > >> Hi Mahesh, > >> > >> Please comment on > >>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as > >>this is the latest view of the design team. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Acee > >> > >> From: Rtg-yang-coord > >>> > >> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani > >>> > >> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM > >> To: Lou Berger > > >> Cc: Routing YANG > >>>, YANG Doctors > >>>, Loa Andersson > >>> > >> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg > >> > >> Lou, > >> > >> I like the approach taken in the draft > >>draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach > >>represented in this tree model makes sense to me. > >> > >> > >> +--rw mpls! > >> +--rw global > >> | ... > >> +--rw te-global-attributes > >> | ... > >> +--rw signaling-protocols > >> | ... > >> +--rw lsps > >> ... > >> > >> > >> However, by its own admission, the draft says: > >> > >> > >> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all > >> possible aspects or features of MPLS). > >> > >> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure > >>as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all > >>features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Mahesh Jethanandani > >> mjethanandani@gmail.com > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > > > > >-- > >Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH > >Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany > >Fax: +49 421 200 3103 > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Jul 30 02:31:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48EBE1B2DC0; 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Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:31:12 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:31:12 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Nadeau Thomas Message-ID: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Nadeau Thomas , Rob Shakir , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Berger Lou , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Loa Andersson References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Berger Lou , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:31:20 -0000 On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 06:06:49AM -0700, Nadeau Thomas wrote: > > Speaking as NETMOD co-chair: > > This is precisely why we are doing this effort and the others in the way that we are - across areas, with a wide enough group of people involved to hopefully cover the real requirements not just say server implementations, or client implementations - we want to cover those and operators who would using them. So if one of the outputs of a DT is to conclude that the existing standard models are insufficient, then we will work to revise them. The DTs should strive to recycle what is there as much as possible, but if in the end it is insufficient there is no other option. So in summary: The DT should not believe that it is constrained to using only existing models as-is, > Tom, the value of standards is their stability and that we do not change them every other day. In other words, someone proposing to redo a standard must have very strong arguments that the current one is fundamentally flawed and unusable. And these arguments should in my view be brought to the place where the affected standards were created. If the routing area starts to work on the premise that published IETF standards will be redone based on some ideas originating from a DT but without agreement of the people who were involved in creating and implementing the standard, then I think we have a problem. /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Jul 30 04:44:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87DBD1A8714 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:44:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jranR7_M_NF9 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6B6AB1A86F0 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:44:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10619 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2015 11:44:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2015 11:44:50 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id ybkY1q01P2SSUrH01bkbFU; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 05:44:48 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=O9qq4nNW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=4g2epv4a4k0A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=Po1gyV7usnw8_gP1CQ4A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=00AU7vjsyJkA:10 a=XD1c8CjFisEA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=X/aDshKarfdW1r1hW5xZ/yV72IZwOcPGV2UkDAq2Tww=; b=a8iyF/QEs4bYIYP2VGXKNvtnUaCVKqnHsKxeY/F/GjmoDUjnW/710r8ZEUqUwcLVtxV8+WQyCCL+4G5Fuf2j8n/RVlMKukuEpKcKfy+Qvqfpjttm42n9wu7t2DUXXxoE; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:49279 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKmGI-0000aB-Lj; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 05:44:34 -0600 Message-ID: <55BA0E1E.7090503@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:44:30 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nadeau Thomas , Rob Shakir , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Loa Andersson References: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:44:52 -0000 Juergen, On 07/30/2015 05:31 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: ... > If the routing area starts to work on the premise that published IETF > standards will be redone based on some ideas originating from a DT but > without agreement Per my previous message. We, the DT members, understand that from a process perspective [1] that what we produce is no different than any other individual contribution/position/draft put forward. And that agreement is subject to normal IETF process. > of the people who were involved in creating and > implementing the standard, then I think we have a problem. >From our perspective, we too are people implementing the standard, and doing so from both the user and vendor sides. Also ownership of RFCs and WG drafts belongs to the IETF, not to specific people, and modifications follow the process. Lou > > /js > [1] https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/design-team.html From nobody Thu Jul 30 04:51:59 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B121A884C for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:51:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tUKyb-Oh1fTf for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (qproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.16.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id ABAA11A8766 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 04:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 27177 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2015 11:51:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by qproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2015 11:51:53 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id ybXd1q00m2SSUrH01bXgHe; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 05:31:53 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=OJm0g0qB c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=4g2epv4a4k0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=j3Z76cjpAAAA:8 a=J08jkfY0aEv3PBmBE3AA:9 a=gXrI_MuuS_O1z1te:21 a=7507acFAqLbT26va:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=FvgKqOQ44qUA:10 a=JrSEOxZJtCQA:10 a=00AU7vjsyJkA:10 a=XD1c8CjFisEA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=lehedxnMxUAvOS2uASK/a8etGJMEldNtpDDqzskZDq0=; b=a2D60f9EZiINp9J4/z99xEAi6mu2fzoJWAZEFX36p+qo/+t3qBlC0SZlYtiYX+r/j657O9XBTONRT0+B1slvRsgi2YKw8EectH9MHxb8HsFnUEhXz4pLCYeYCAqiLCdW; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48332 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKm3l-00074G-Eo; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 05:31:37 -0600 Message-ID: <55BA0B16.3000400@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:31:34 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , RTG Yang Coordination , Loa Andersson References: <20150730091828.GC16332@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150730091828.GC16332@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 11:51:57 -0000 Juergen, On 07/30/2015 05:18 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > I disagree that a routing design team can be in charge to do work > that fundamentally affects several standards-track RFCs that only > marginally are routing specific. I'll defer to the folks that put the DT together to talk to their motivation. Of course their desired scope/outcome is documented on the DT wiki [1]. That said, I think we, the DT, understand the process here and that what we produce is simply input to the normal IETF process [2]. We're not "in charge", we are trying to be "agile" and "solve a particular" problem for users of YANG and YANG model writers for protocols and mechanisms defined in the routing area. Certainly our perspective is different than some, and focused on a certain class of users and authors. > > Yes, I agree a discussion needs to be held. Excellent. And we agree that our work has implication beyond routing area YANG model users and writers -- and these implications must, as Rob said, be discussed in the appropriate area/WG. We've already identified two such pretty fundamental requirements that we're planning to continue discussing with folks/WGs in the OPS area. (i.e., the topics that were discussed in the netmod interims.) > Being old fashioned, I > believe the place to have this discussions that affects 'network > management going forward' is the OPS area. > So this can be read to mean that you are saying that all YANG model definitions and discussions, as they "affect network management", should take place in the OPS area. Is this a correct interpretation? If so, this isn't a particular scalable approach and doesn't reflect how the IETF has done things in the past. If you are saying that changes to YANG, netconf, restconf, ..., must be discussed in the OPS area, then I completely agree. Lou [1] http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/rtg/trac/wiki/RtgYangArchDT [2] https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/design-team.html > /js > > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 11:38:57AM +0100, Rob Shakir wrote: >> My assumption, and understanding of the ask that the ADs put to the DT, is that the routing design team should consider usability of YANG models from a routing perspective, and not constrain itself on essentially arbitrary IETF-boundaries. >> >> If the output of the DT means that we need cross-area review to further its work as any form of standard, or document that the IETF would choose to commit to RFC - then engagement with the relevant area should be sought, of course. >> >> I am very much opposed to considering that point parts of a solution should be set as constraints on anything that can be done relating to network management going forward. >> >> I have a feeling that this opinion may not be aligned with that of the netmod working group - it needs to be openly discussed as to what the best technical solution is, rather than calling foul on ‘scope’ related discussions. >> >> Thanks for your consideration, >> r. >> >> >> >> >> On 26 July 2015 at 20:50:41, Acee Lindem (acee) (acee@cisco.com) wrote: >> >> Juergen, >> >> Since this E-mail thread is about the hierarchy and granularity of MPLS >> models, I’m somewhat confused by your response. Nevertheless, I’ve updated >> the subject line to correspond to your concern. >> >> Our assumption is that the Routing YANG design team will attempt to use >> the existing models but will not be constrained by them. However, I agree >> that any changes or augmentations to the existing NETMOD RFCs would need >> to be reviewed in the NETMOD WG. >> >> Thanks, >> Acee >> >> On 7/26/15, 3:24 PM, "Juergen Schoenwaelder" >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Acee, >>> >>> please note that the interfaces model plus the IP model plus the core >>> system model plus the SNMP configuration model the IETF agreed on are >>> defined in RFC 7223, RFC 7277, RFC 7317, and RFC 7407. All these RFCs >>> were produced by the NETMOD working group. Work is starting in other >>> SDOs to extend these models. Hence, I think any attempts to replace >>> them with something different should not only be discussed on the >>> NETMOD list but also seek support from the NETMOD working group. >>> >>> Note that https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord says: >>> >>> The rtg-yang-coord mailing list will provide a forum for >>> coordination of the development of YANG models being worked on for >>> Routing, in order to provide a consistent view to the NMS. >>> >>> It seems some of the content of draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00 >>> seems to leave the routing scope. >>> >>> /js >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 06:48:10PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: >>>> Hi Mahesh, >>>> >>>> Please comment on >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model/ as >>>> this is the latest view of the design team. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Acee >>>> >>>> From: Rtg-yang-coord >>>> > >>>> on behalf of Mahesh Jethanandani >>>> > >>>> Date: Sunday, July 26, 2015 at 4:31 PM >>>> To: Lou Berger > >>>> Cc: Routing YANG >>>> >, YANG Doctors >>>> >, Loa Andersson >>>> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] yang models intended for the mpls wg >>>> >>>> Lou, >>>> >>>> I like the approach taken in the draft >>>> draft-openconfig-mpls-consolidated-model. In particular, the approach >>>> represented in this tree model makes sense to me. >>>> >>>> >>>> +--rw mpls! >>>> +--rw global >>>> | ... >>>> +--rw te-global-attributes >>>> | ... >>>> +--rw signaling-protocols >>>> | ... >>>> +--rw lsps >>>> ... >>>> >>>> >>>> However, by its own admission, the draft says: >>>> >>>> >>>> This model does not aim to be feature complete (i.e., cover all >>>> possible aspects or features of MPLS). >>>> >>>> My suggestion would be for the MPLS WG to take up the model structure >>>> as represented above and to do a more complete work of including all >>>> features of MPLS, e.g. GMPLS. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Mahesh Jethanandani >>>> mjethanandani@gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >>>> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH >>> Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany >>> Fax: +49 421 200 3103 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > >> _______________________________________________ >> Rtg-yang-coord mailing list >> Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > From nobody Thu Jul 30 05:44:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200CD1A88AC; 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Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:44:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:44:05 +0200 From: Juergen Schoenwaelder To: Lou Berger Message-ID: <20150730124403.GA16833@elstar.local> Mail-Followup-To: Lou Berger , Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , RTG Yang Coordination , Loa Andersson References: <20150730091828.GC16332@elstar.local> <55BA0B16.3000400@labn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <55BA0B16.3000400@labn.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Archived-At: Cc: RTG Yang Coordination , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Juergen Schoenwaelder List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:44:15 -0000 On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 07:31:34AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: > > > Being old fashioned, I > > believe the place to have this discussions that affects 'network > > management going forward' is the OPS area. > > So this can be read to mean that you are saying that all YANG model > definitions and discussions, as they "affect network management", should > take place in the OPS area. Is this a correct interpretation? No. > If so, this isn't a particular scalable approach and doesn't reflect how the > IETF has done things in the past. If you are saying that changes to > YANG, netconf, restconf, ..., must be discussed in the OPS area, then I > completely agree. I am saying that if RFCs are affected that were done in the OPS area, then I think it is good idea to explain to the OPS area why they are not good enough. Except in special cases, I also think that WGs that produced an RFC ars the default place to discuss shortcomings of an RFC. This is perhaps formally not required since everything belongs to the IETF but still I believe this is a good approach to avoid flapping (trying to use routing vocabular here, I might fail badly with it). /js -- Juergen Schoenwaelder Jacobs University Bremen gGmbH Phone: +49 421 200 3587 Campus Ring 1 | 28759 Bremen | Germany Fax: +49 421 200 3103 From nobody Thu Jul 30 06:28:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488651A886B; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:28:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WxwCgDL_oDOZ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:28:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-2.cisco.com (aer-iport-2.cisco.com [173.38.203.52]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 907EC1A8931; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:28:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1841; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1438262930; x=1439472530; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=A+yXipNvRMKf/XMuv2jcED26PpiXtdeJjqZLcpDSTIs=; b=SxhvzlrHtv92ciuj10O2+gpwLgrah6Or8eMcKu4rzQe7PwTaNxW5m7yY XYzxq2+Eb7PGVuYVFGkWHpkFya2Sv+fE3YWwMbao2QYth2fTqrP9VW8yH gEvOYYD4Ij+qqmvdL58rLrV66myDQo14fAQFHUwW9zh7J5wY5IJ4v8+Cw E=; X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.15,577,1432598400"; d="scan'208";a="589855319" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 30 Jul 2015 13:28:49 +0000 Received: from [10.60.67.90] (ams-bclaise-8919.cisco.com [10.60.67.90]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t6UDSmuR025858; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:28:48 GMT To: Nadeau Thomas , Rob Shakir , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , Berger Lou , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Loa Andersson References: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> From: Benoit Claise Message-ID: <55BA2690.1000808@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:28:48 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [yang-doctors] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:28:52 -0000 On 30/07/2015 11:31, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 06:06:49AM -0700, Nadeau Thomas wrote: >> Speaking as NETMOD co-chair: >> >> This is precisely why we are doing this effort and the others in the way that we are - across areas, with a wide enough group of people involved to hopefully cover the real requirements not just say server implementations, or client implementations - we want to cover those and operators who would using them. So if one of the outputs of a DT is to conclude that the existing standard models are insufficient, then we will work to revise them. The DTs should strive to recycle what is there as much as possible, but if in the end it is insufficient there is no other option. So in summary: The DT should not believe that it is constrained to using only existing models as-is, >> > Tom, > > the value of standards is their stability and that we do not change > them every other day. In other words, someone proposing to redo a > standard must have very strong arguments that the current one is > fundamentally flawed and unusable. And these arguments should in my > view be brought to the place where the affected standards were > created. > > If the routing area starts to work on the premise that published IETF > standards will be redone based on some ideas originating from a DT but > without agreement of the people who were involved in creating and > implementing the standard, then I think we have a problem. This is the reason why we organized a NETMOD interim meeting on the YANG model structure in June (and another one on the oper status btw). Unfortunately, some key openconfig people were not in Prague to discuss further. Another NETMOD interim is the way to go. Currently in discussion with the NETMOD chairs. Regards, Benoit > > /js > From nobody Thu Jul 30 06:33:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB7DE1A88D1 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xltm4CX8Dznm for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A1BE21A8870 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10968 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2015 13:33:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2015 13:33:08 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id ydYv1q0092SSUrH01dYyld; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:33:06 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=O9qq4nNW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=4g2epv4a4k0A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=96f_0C5H-bxJwcL6iYIA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=ED8hu97B6sAA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=lw52W9qxnbNW3CFYZrS92GF3IEkdIgh7/yYVpejzzrU=; b=XNqNJqO9ek73c5uGabGvIBmIGiJKhPUuG5W8rwhLM+gLms5sWF9gA9H0Oc4aIczifo5AUw+7V91u0qP6+x6Ukffj9aRUi5QiVMeIp0awvB80lgaRGRRCCb2wkWfHAWE/; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:57787 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKnxA-0002K7-Uq; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:32:57 -0600 Message-ID: <55BA2785.4000704@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:32:53 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benoit Claise , Nadeau Thomas , Rob Shakir , "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Loa Andersson References: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> <55BA2690.1000808@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <55BA2690.1000808@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [yang-doctors] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:33:11 -0000 On 07/30/2015 09:28 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: > Unfortunately, some key openconfig people were not in Prague to discuss > further. Another NETMOD interim is the way to go. Currently in > discussion with the NETMOD chairs. Agreed & Thanks! Lou From nobody Thu Jul 30 06:38:02 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A991A88D1 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:37:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ejw0fGZt1rDn for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:37:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id CE0791A884B for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 06:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8659 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2015 13:37:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2015 13:37:48 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id yjdS1q01W2SSUrH01jdVE4; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:37:47 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Qc314Krv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=4g2epv4a4k0A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=42A_oGPIuBHHRHJV0wgA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=ghfy1Ob3JJrSEUgpgaRIde7LghAc+1ugWNWmW9NB+tU=; b=KgTagEAXlDjubUjL/SmK3mDHmTcBwPYNrhOrH3XTBr1V1+Odm9Cy87aDS9JO8Tc7BQWF7zDPfR6qcc4PEkg9h4jI4svf2xTwxDiTXd/TmVT9RQzl5mi95NTgBkXjyur1; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:58166 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKo1X-00036C-Ly; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 07:37:27 -0600 Message-ID: <55BA2894.8080809@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:37:24 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem (acee)" , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , RTG Yang Coordination , Loa Andersson References: <20150730091828.GC16332@elstar.local> <55BA0B16.3000400@labn.net> <20150730124403.GA16833@elstar.local> In-Reply-To: <20150730124403.GA16833@elstar.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:37:59 -0000 Juergen, On 07/30/2015 08:44 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 07:31:34AM -0400, Lou Berger wrote: >> >>> Being old fashioned, I >>> believe the place to have this discussions that affects 'network >>> management going forward' is the OPS area. >> >> So this can be read to mean that you are saying that all YANG model >> definitions and discussions, as they "affect network management", should >> take place in the OPS area. Is this a correct interpretation? > > No. Great. > >> If so, this isn't a particular scalable approach and doesn't reflect how the >> IETF has done things in the past. If you are saying that changes to >> YANG, netconf, restconf, ..., must be discussed in the OPS area, then I >> completely agree. > > I am saying that if RFCs are affected that were done in the OPS area, > then I think it is good idea to explain to the OPS area why they are > not good enough. Except in special cases, I also think that WGs that > produced an RFC ars the default place to discuss shortcomings of an > RFC. 100% agree. > This is perhaps formally not required since everything belongs to > the IETF but still I believe this is a good approach to avoid flapping > (trying to use routing vocabular here, I might fail badly with it). WFM. I appreciate the effort to try to understand our (user and vendor) perspective(s) as it clearly is different than what has been the focus to date -- to me this is a symptom of the growing pains related to successful use/adoption of a new technology. Lou > > /js > From nobody Thu Jul 30 08:53:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2881B2D67 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4VvenKbVLwbh for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f172.google.com (mail-lb0-f172.google.com [209.85.217.172]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 870EF1B2DD4 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by lbbyj8 with SMTP id yj8so29956692lbb.0 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=ecigMe1AAAC9jMGjoEFnZs1keyt593EsYIe24p6xMLA=; b=ZOJi5yGRa76g2H4t1PDtU6DdfMFo0oL3vn1XknVj2Tq9G6bBBWHAb5/vcG3XFNJZSa qLIJtw+zjI+BqubMLzIOzq7ersvBqeYXccqDFMuxyVnBh/fv2p2stXLQ2caQnXzkNmpa QJ32yYpFwZTwR0UWEM6DIRc8nkvNZsyDemLabbpQGcIa5TNvkujwmlbVpPAEbWL5Ci6V SBJtIVpWnSoH8FEeeWuDWQyT8xAP9y+PT/NQ0wyZVUNaBn9eEbeO7uios2VXBme7Rf8M bP74KXnqc7JD7uleUzX1DuAp81N9LvDVR+CeIRcfZg/DahceleW8ZSr4YRk2JTT6JNvs 1HZQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlpuE1phLSGU+AL0EBwvrFzQR1dHvUlx2Bfhi9H3dvLOOppOYekJ2wr23CAdlym5Xk/OHma MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.7.65 with SMTP id h1mr45246982laa.33.1438271615061; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.200.102 with HTTP; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55B7D4FD.9@labn.net> References: <20150726204927.GA17784@elstar.local> <022BA705-5EA2-4C4D-B012-EF2946F5F523@gmail.com> <6D8CFA7E-4E24-4FC2-BB69-31F4F436ACFC@cisco.com> <02A437FC-64AA-489C-8310-39F677CAF418@cisco.com> <55B7D4FD.9@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 08:53:34 -0700 Message-ID: From: Andy Bierman To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c27cf0b4e8b4051c19b450 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 15:53:43 -0000 --001a11c27cf0b4e8b4051c19b450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi, Is there a design team report published yet? I agree with Juergen that existing YANG data such as /interfaces, system, netconf-state MUST NOT be moved to a different place in the data tree. You should restrict your activities to new routing modules. Andy On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > On 07/28/2015 02:29 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > However, the design team is > > certainly open to suggestions if you have a better representation. > > Going a step further, we'd love to hear more from you on this -- > although perhaps we should do this off list (and on a call). I'll send > mail... > > Thanks, > Lou > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > --001a11c27cf0b4e8b4051c19b450 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

Is there a design team report publi= shed yet?
I agree with Juergen that existing YANG data
= such as /interfaces, system, netconf-state MUST NOT
be moved to a= different place in the data tree.

You should rest= rict your activities to new routing modules.

--001a11c27cf0b4e8b4051c19b450-- From nobody Thu Jul 30 09:33:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966421A8A46; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVqW4tZn_y-k; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lucidvision.com (lucidvision.com [64.71.170.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C09A21A88A7; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lucidvision.com; s=default; t=1438273984; bh=Rw7lBs+TiBHB/dF/5nWpsvqh4WDbBbGjNOQmyEaKKIw=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=BezUZvW0ypQtgw+C+6/Ctt15zChaA86wJ/EW2qZ+d4oY3or5yWBlJSfGCuSBSBhXz L86ZARjxWBQ+vovd1tg7IAM5zDK+gy+ts7Vfv8i2/HPMIW5FvMbPbML/f7ko8s+yMW Cthj+sT8IyTVWogriHXD6BLBXZTzHEHxe604/ZWY= X-Default-Received-SPF: pass (skip=loggedin (res=PASS)) x-ip-name=75.104.69.165; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Nadeau Thomas In-Reply-To: <55BA2785.4000704@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 09:33:31 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20150730093112.GD16332@elstar.local> <55BA2690.1000808@cisco.com> <55BA2785.4000704@labn.net> To: Berger Lou X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) X-Authenticated-User: tnadeau@lucidvision.com X-Info: aspam skipped due to (g_smite_skip_relay) X-Encryption: SSL encrypted X-MyRbl: Color=Yellow Age=0 Spam=0 Notspam=1 Stars=0 Good=0 Friend=0 Surbl=0 Catch=0 r=0 ip=75.104.69.165 X-IP-stats: Notspam Incoming Last 0, First 0, in=1, out=0, spam=0 Known=true ip=75.104.69.165 Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Mahesh Jethanandani , Benoit Claise , YANG Doctors , Rob Shakir , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] [yang-doctors] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:33:51 -0000 We are planning one for the second week of September, but I have = not booked it yet. I will do so early next week.=20 =97Tom > On Jul 30, 2015:6:32 AM, at 6:32 AM, Lou Berger = wrote: >=20 > On 07/30/2015 09:28 AM, Benoit Claise wrote: >> Unfortunately, some key openconfig people were not in Prague to = discuss >> further. Another NETMOD interim is the way to go. Currently in >> discussion with the NETMOD chairs. >=20 > Agreed & Thanks! >=20 > Lou >=20 From nobody Thu Jul 30 13:42:47 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: rtg-yang-coord@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 014631A6EE2 for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:42:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7UowWjRfH-1R for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 5DA421A87CB for ; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 13:42:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 12920 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2015 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2015 20:42:42 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id ykiL1q0032SSUrH01kiP4b; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:42:41 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=NJxGpSKg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=4g2epv4a4k0A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=0TsMxQhHEXaKjo_dv24A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=32uWO03sKcXZCIytcYr3HMFwNSCn0u3Ly90Gsh60K4w=; b=UeebpVGluuRjxs/Pom+BAYUr7X6Zu4iMn1KGvvph0ntJzcsGanp2uBpf+KTnFqgqM7/pNU6AcmwK5R8gIOh7tR4LcEsata3Eu7gRscH90p3hEu0dpT5nUNzHYbIl6+mn; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:36272 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZKuei-0007Fh-LM; Thu, 30 Jul 2015 14:42:20 -0600 Message-ID: <55BA8C29.9010905@labn.net> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 16:42:17 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andy Bierman References: <20150726204927.GA17784@elstar.local> <022BA705-5EA2-4C4D-B012-EF2946F5F523@gmail.com> <6D8CFA7E-4E24-4FC2-BB69-31F4F436ACFC@cisco.com> <02A437FC-64AA-489C-8310-39F677CAF418@cisco.com> <55B7D4FD.9@labn.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: "rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org" , Juergen Schoenwaelder , Mahesh Jethanandani , YANG Doctors , "Acee Lindem \(acee\)" , Loa Andersson Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Routing YANG Design Team Scope X-BeenThere: rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "\"List to discuss coordination between the Routing related YANG models\"" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:42:45 -0000 Hi Andy, On 07/30/2015 11:53 AM, Andy Bierman wrote: > Hi, > > Is there a design team report published yet? The work is still underway. see https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/slides/slides-93-rtgwg-3.pdf and draft-rtgyangdt-rtgwg-device-model-00.txt > I agree with Juergen that existing YANG data > such as /interfaces, system, netconf-state MUST NOT > be moved to a different place in the data tree. > This is part of the discussion that was and will be subject to the Netmod interims. We'd like to find a solution to our use case / requirements that coexists with existing models/RFCs. > You should restrict your activities to new routing modules. The objective is to reuse and augment what's there to the maximum extent possible and to work with the groups that own the respective mechanisms when we hit limitations/restrictions to come up with a consensus-based solution. Lou > > > Andy > > > On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Lou Berger > wrote: > > On 07/28/2015 02:29 PM, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote: > > However, the design team is > > certainly open to suggestions if you have a better representation. > > Going a step further, we'd love to hear more from you on this -- > although perhaps we should do this off list (and on a call). I'll send > mail... > > Thanks, > Lou > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rtg-yang-coord mailing list > Rtg-yang-coord@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtg-yang-coord >