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high-function devices. The Coman initiative (RFC 7547, 7548) investigated
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Hi,

A reminder....
This question remained un-answered, regarding the notifications in Yang
model. Any guidance would be appreciated, thanks!

Regards,
Dhruv

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Yang-Doctors,
>
> What is the guideline for including Notification in the Yang model, now
> that [I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push] and [I-D.ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications]
> is the preferred approach?
>
> Should we keep only "mandatory to implement notifications" in the Yang
> model? Or just remove the notifications completely?
>
> A guideline to model writers would be helpful here, IMHO.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dhruv
>
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuche=
t ms,sans-serif;color:#0c343d">Hi,=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" =
style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#0c343d"><br></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:=
#0c343d">A reminder....=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"fo=
nt-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#0c343d">This question remained un-=
answered, regarding the notifications in Yang model. Any guidance would be =
appreciated, thanks!=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-=
family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#0c343d"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif;color:#0c343d">Regar=
ds,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:trebuchet ms,san=
s-serif;color:#0c343d">Dhruv</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Dhruv Dhody <span d=
ir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">dh=
ruv.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">=
Hi Yang-Doctors,<br>
<br>
What is the guideline for including Notification in the Yang model, now tha=
t [I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push] and [I-D.ietf-netconf-subscribed-n<wbr>otifi=
cations] is the preferred approach?<br>
<br>
Should we keep only &quot;mandatory to implement notifications&quot; in the=
 Yang model? Or just remove the notifications completely?<br>
<br>
A guideline to model writers would be helpful here, IMHO.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Dhruv<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
To: Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>, yang-doctors@ietf.org, Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: [Rtg-yang-coord] Notification in Yang
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Dhruv,

    Perhaps send a message on this to netmod.  This topic has come up a
couple of times this week and your suggestion of guidelines make sense
and perhaps should be addressed in 6087bis.

Thanks,

Lou


On July 19, 2017 6:31:46 AM Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi, 
>
> A reminder.... 
> This question remained un-answered, regarding the notifications in
> Yang model. Any guidance would be appreciated, thanks! 
>
> Regards,
> Dhruv
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:50 PM, Dhruv Dhody <dhruv.ietf@gmail.com
> <mailto:dhruv.ietf@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Yang-Doctors,
>
>     What is the guideline for including Notification in the Yang
>     model, now that [I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push] and
>     [I-D.ietf-netconf-subscribed-notifications] is the preferred approach?
>
>     Should we keep only "mandatory to implement notifications" in the
>     Yang model? Or just remove the notifications completely?
>
>     A guideline to model writers would be helpful here, IMHO.
>
>     Regards,
>
>     Dhruv
>
>
>
>
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          week and your suggestion of guidelines make sense and perhaps
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              remained un-answered, regarding the notifications in Yang
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                Yang-Doctors,<br>
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                What is the guideline for including Notification in the
                Yang model, now
                that [I-D.ietf-netconf-yang-push] and
                [I-D.ietf-netconf-subscribed-n<wbr>otifications] is the
                preferred approach?<br>
                <br>
                Should we keep only "mandatory to implement
                notifications" in the
                Yang model? Or just remove the notifications completely?<br>
                <br>
                A guideline to model writers would be helpful here,
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                Dhruv<br>
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