From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 17 03:26:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E6653A6BEE; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:26:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD77F3A6BEE for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:26:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.852 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.852 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.253, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OT0HETna7Ioj for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:26:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CF53A69D9 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 03:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8HAQvUX016251 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:26:57 +0200 Received: from demuexc023.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.36]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8HAQr32014469 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:26:57 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) by demuexc023.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:26:50 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC007.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.17]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:26:49 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C918AF.E45868BD" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 13:26:47 +0300 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RUCUS Charter Text v3 Thread-Index: AckYr+NxDFM4HbgnSZ6mZw8eRQyv1w== From: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2008 10:26:49.0767 (UTC) FILETIME=[E508C370:01C918AF] Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C918AF.E45868BD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I made modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion.=20 These milestones are <> useful. Let me know if this is OK for you.=20 The new items are:=20 "=20 - Feb 2009 Development of a Working Group Charter. - Feb 2009 Writeup demonstrating fulfillment of the Working Group formation criteria described in Sec. 2.1 of RFC 2418 " The updated charter text is in attached to this mail.=20 I leave it to Jon and Cullen to start a discussion with the IESG about chartering this group and to pick an appropriate chair.=20 Ciao Hannes ------_=_NextPart_001_01C918AF.E45868BD Content-Type: text/plain; name="rucus-charter-version3.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Description: rucus-charter-version3.txt Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rucus-charter-version3.txt" UmVkdWNpbmcgVW53YW50ZWQgQ29tbXVuaWNhdGlvbiBVc2luZyBTSVAgRXhwbG9yYXRvcnkgR3Jv dXAgKFJVQ1VTRUcpIA0KPT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09DQoNClRoZSBTZXNzaW9uIEluaXRpYXRpb24gUHJv dG9jb2wgKFNJUCkgaXMgYW4gYXBwbGljYXRpb24tbGF5ZXIgY29udHJvbA0KKHNpZ25hbGluZykg 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_______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus ------_=_NextPart_001_01C918AF.E45868BD-- From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 17 04:10:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8358F3A6C22; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:10:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A4053A6C27 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:10:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.812 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.812 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eOjNMsmG0B0x for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xconnect.net (host81-149-118-212.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.149.118.212]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03F273A6966 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 04:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:09:42 +0100 Message-ID: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 Thread-Index: AckYr+NxDFM4HbgnSZ6mZw8eRQyv1wABRPIg From: "David Schwartz" To: "Tschofenig, Hannes \(NSN - FI/Espoo\)" , Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: 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"To that end, this exploratory group is chartered with determining whether there are one or more mechanisms for preventing SPIT which would be reasonable subjects for standardization within the IETF, and if there are, to produce a charter for a working group to develop standards for such mechanisms." First part of this paragraph is repeated before and after the examples. I would change this paragraph to... "Upon such determination, this exploratory group would be re-chartered as a working group with the express purpose of developing standards for such mechanisms." -----Original Message----- From: rucus-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rucus-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:27 PM To: rucus@ietf.org Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I made modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. These milestones are <> useful. Let me know if this is OK for you. The new items are: " - Feb 2009 Development of a Working Group Charter. - Feb 2009 Writeup demonstrating fulfillment of the Working Group formation criteria described in Sec. 2.1 of RFC 2418 " The updated charter text is in attached to this mail. I leave it to Jon and Cullen to start a discussion with the IESG about chartering this group and to pick an appropriate chair. Ciao Hannes ______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email ______________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 17 05:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04F593A6A59; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:25:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575AC3A697A for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:25:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.827 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.827 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.772, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56GubwxWCr6f for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (demumfd001.nsn-inter.net [217.115.75.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0F33A6A49 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 05:25:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.56]) by demumfd001.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8HCPFYs025674 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:25:15 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx017.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8HCPFfi012455; Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:25:15 +0200 Received: from demuexc024.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.11]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:25:10 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC007.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.17]) by demuexc024.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:25:05 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C918C0.68B532D9" Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:24:39 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RUCUS Charter Text v4 Thread-Index: AckYr+NxDFM4HbgnSZ6mZw8eRQyv1wABRPIgAALUFDA= References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> From: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" To: "ext David Schwartz" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Sep 2008 12:25:05.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[6A375B50:01C918C0] Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C918C0.68B532D9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good point. 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Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0633A68A2; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBDD13A6842 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lvnWX0LMNdQb for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu (smtp0.neclab.eu [195.37.70.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D223A68A2 for ; Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62AF2C000359; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas2.office) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas2.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MUXqa+T4XMK; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from VENUS.office (mx1.office [192.168.24.3]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 900CD2C000303; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:46 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 01:05:41 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 Thread-Index: AckYr+NxDFM4HbgnSZ6mZw8eRQyv1wABRPIgAALUFDAASILdUA== References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> From: "Jan Seedorf" To: "Tschofenig, Hannes \(NSN - FI/Espoo\)" , Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Dear Hannes, I think the milestones are ok, but given that it is already mid-September, "Aug 2008 Formation of an exploratory working group" is not realistic, I think :) Seriously: I assume that once the EG is granted by the IESG, all the milestones will be adjusted to that start-time (e.g., if the EG gets formed in Oct 08, there will be two months added to each milestone deadline), right? Kind regards, Jan > -----Original Message----- > From: rucus-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rucus-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) > Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:25 PM > To: ext David Schwartz; rucus@ietf.org > Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 > > Good point. New version attached. > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ext David Schwartz [mailto:dschwartz@xconnect.net] > >Sent: 17 September, 2008 14:10 > >To: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo); rucus@ietf.org > >Subject: RE: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 > > > >Nit... > > > >"To that end, this exploratory group is chartered with determining > >whether there are one or more mechanisms for preventing SPIT which > >would be reasonable subjects for standardization within the > IETF, and > >if there are, to produce a charter for a working group to develop > >standards for such mechanisms." > > > >First part of this paragraph is repeated before and after > the examples. > >I would change this paragraph to... "Upon such determination, this > >exploratory group would be re-chartered as a working group with the > >express purpose of developing standards for such mechanisms." > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: rucus-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rucus-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf > >Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) > >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:27 PM > >To: rucus@ietf.org > >Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 > > > >I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I made > >modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. > >These milestones are <> useful. > >Let me know if this is OK for you. > > > >The new items are: > > > >" > > - Feb 2009 Development of a Working Group Charter. > > > > - Feb 2009 Writeup demonstrating fulfillment of the > > Working Group formation criteria described in Sec. 2.1 of > RFC 2418 " > > > >The updated charter text is in attached to this mail. > > > >I leave it to Jon and Cullen to start a discussion with the > IESG about > >chartering this group and to pick an appropriate chair. > > > >Ciao > >Hannes > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > _________ > >This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. > >For more information please visit > >http://www.messagelabs.com/email > >_____________________________________________________________ > _________ > > > _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Fri Sep 19 01:15:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3AF23A6897; 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Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:15:36 +0200 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (webmail.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id m8J8FaEm026502; Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:15:36 +0200 Received: from demuexc025.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.12]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:15:31 +0200 Received: from FIESEXC007.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.0.17]) by demuexc025.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:15:29 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:15:34 +0300 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 Thread-Index: AckYr+NxDFM4HbgnSZ6mZw8eRQyv1wABRPIgAALUFDAASILdUAATYjSg References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> From: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" To: "ext Jan Seedorf" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Sep 2008 08:15:29.0164 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0A7ACC0:01C91A2F] Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Yes, the milestones need to be adjusted or we just work faster :-) >-----Original Message----- >From: ext Jan Seedorf [mailto:Jan.Seedorf@nw.neclab.eu] >Sent: 19 September, 2008 02:06 >To: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo); rucus@ietf.org >Subject: RE: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 > >Dear Hannes, > >I think the milestones are ok, but given that it is already >mid-September, "Aug 2008 Formation of an exploratory working >group" is not realistic, I think :) Seriously: I assume that >once the EG is granted by the IESG, all the milestones will be >adjusted to that start-time (e.g., if the EG gets formed in >Oct 08, there will be two months added to each milestone >deadline), right? > >Kind regards, >Jan > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: rucus-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rucus-bounces@ietf.org] >On Behalf >> Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) >> Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 2:25 PM >> To: ext David Schwartz; rucus@ietf.org >> Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 >> >> Good point. New version attached. >> >> >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: ext David Schwartz [mailto:dschwartz@xconnect.net] >> >Sent: 17 September, 2008 14:10 >> >To: Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo); rucus@ietf.org >> >Subject: RE: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 >> > >> >Nit... >> > >> >"To that end, this exploratory group is chartered with determining >> >whether there are one or more mechanisms for preventing SPIT which >> >would be reasonable subjects for standardization within the >> IETF, and >> >if there are, to produce a charter for a working group to develop >> >standards for such mechanisms." >> > >> >First part of this paragraph is repeated before and after >> the examples. >> >I would change this paragraph to... "Upon such determination, this >> >exploratory group would be re-chartered as a working group with the >> >express purpose of developing standards for such mechanisms." >> > >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: rucus-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rucus-bounces@ietf.org] >> On Behalf >> >Of Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) >> >Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2008 1:27 PM >> >To: rucus@ietf.org >> >Subject: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v3 >> > >> >I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I made >> >modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. >> >These milestones are <> useful. >> >Let me know if this is OK for you. >> > >> >The new items are: >> > >> >" >> > - Feb 2009 Development of a Working Group Charter. >> > >> > - Feb 2009 Writeup demonstrating fulfillment of the >> > Working Group formation criteria described in Sec. 2.1 of >> RFC 2418 " >> > >> >The updated charter text is in attached to this mail. >> > >> >I leave it to Jon and Cullen to start a discussion with the >> IESG about >> >chartering this group and to pick an appropriate chair. >> > >> >Ciao >> >Hannes >> > >> > >> >_____________________________________________________________ >> _________ >> >This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email >Security System. >> >For more information please visit >> >http://www.messagelabs.com/email >> >_____________________________________________________________ >> _________ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 22 13:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C2F23A6B8A; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:53:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB81028C1C8 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:53:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YX+fe8LHHpOg for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from voxeo.com (mmail.voxeo.com [66.193.54.208]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 30CDB3A6A26 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [66.65.228.203] (account dyork HELO pc-00144.lodestar2.dyndns.org) by voxeo.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.3) with ESMTPSA id 34676072; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 20:53:25 +0000 Message-Id: From: Dan York To: "Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo)" In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:53:23 -0400 References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) Cc: rucus@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed"; DelSp="yes" Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Hannes, The charter seems fine, but I do have to echo the concerns others have raised about how realistic these timeframes are. The initial timeframes for individual proposals is basically *now*, but unless I've missed them, I haven't seen any proposals submitted as I-Ds... nor have I had the time to write one up myself. Do we have enough people willing to participate to make the work of this group happen? I don't mean that as a question for you, Hannes, so much as a question for the larger group. How many people here are ready to participate in this milestone: - Sep 2008 Initial versions of high-level mechanism proposals meeting the criteria above, submitted as individual I-Ds Do we have enough people who can allocate enough of their time to do this within the 6-month lifespan of the EG? Or are we all just too busy with other things? (Or is everyone just waiting for the charter to be finalized to submit their I-D?) Regards, Dan On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: > Good point. New version attached. > >> >> I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I >> made modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. >> These milestones are <> useful. >> Let me know if this is OK for you. >> -- Dan York, CISSP, Director of Emerging Communication Technology Office of the CTO Voxeo Corporation dyork@voxeo.com Phone: +1-407-455-5859 Skype: danyork http://www.voxeo.com Blogs: http://blogs.voxeo.com http://www.disruptivetelephony.com Build voice applications based on open standards. Find out how at http://www.voxeo.com/free _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 22 23:35:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CCD33A6C8A; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:35:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DFD63A6C81 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:35:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=0.619] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQK7r40uPFt5 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:35:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7EF1F3A6C66 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2008 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Sep 2008 06:34:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [10.183.181.27]) [192.100.124.156] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 23 Sep 2008 08:34:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19fkBIps4BfiC5nzB57RZPK7ODtiLWsxRZRkmt8Z0 iqNx7ZrO2gPgDd Message-ID: <48D88E04.1000706@gmx.net> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:34:44 +0300 From: Hannes Tschofenig User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan York References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.6 Cc: rucus@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan, this is an extremely good question. The feedback I got during the RUCUS BOF was that folks are interested in the topic and that they have time to contribute. For me it seems that folks wait for the group to be approved. I hope that this happens soon. There is, however, no need to wait posting comments. Ciao Hannes Dan York wrote: > Hannes, > > The charter seems fine, but I do have to echo the concerns others have > raised about how realistic these timeframes are. The initial > timeframes for individual proposals is basically *now*, but unless > I've missed them, I haven't seen any proposals submitted as I-Ds... > nor have I had the time to write one up myself. Do we have enough > people willing to participate to make the work of this group happen? > > I don't mean that as a question for you, Hannes, so much as a question > for the larger group. How many people here are ready to participate > in this milestone: > > - Sep 2008 Initial versions of high-level mechanism proposals meeting > the criteria above, submitted as individual I-Ds > > Do we have enough people who can allocate enough of their time to do > this within the 6-month lifespan of the EG? Or are we all just too > busy with other things? (Or is everyone just waiting for the charter > to be finalized to submit their I-D?) > > Regards, > Dan > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: > >> Good point. New version attached. >> >>> >>> I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I >>> made modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. >>> These milestones are <> useful. >>> Let me know if this is OK for you. >>> > _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 23 08:40:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACCF53A6B26; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77CAA3A6B0D for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:40:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0E6cIQgXpPB for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smail5.alcatel.fr (smail5.alcatel.fr [64.208.49.27]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E3DB3A6B26 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:40:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from FRVELSBHS02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com (frvelsbhs02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com [155.132.6.74]) by smail5.alcatel.fr (8.13.8/8.13.8/ICT) with ESMTP id m8NFexfP020131; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:40:59 +0200 Received: from [139.54.131.75] ([139.54.131.75]) by FRVELSBHS02.ad2.ad.alcatel.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2499); Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:40:59 +0200 Message-ID: <48D90E06.1070700@alcatel-lucent.fr> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 17:40:54 +0200 From: Thomas Froment User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (X11/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan York References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> In-Reply-To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Sep 2008 15:40:59.0426 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6C8F820:01C91D92] X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 155.132.188.13 Cc: rucus@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Hi Dan and Hannes, I still plan to contribute, but the "Sept. 2008" milestone is of course impossible to follow on my side... I would probably target the next IETF as a deadline... Rgds, Thomas Dan York wrote: > Hannes, > > The charter seems fine, but I do have to echo the concerns others have > raised about how realistic these timeframes are. The initial > timeframes for individual proposals is basically *now*, but unless > I've missed them, I haven't seen any proposals submitted as I-Ds... > nor have I had the time to write one up myself. Do we have enough > people willing to participate to make the work of this group happen? > > I don't mean that as a question for you, Hannes, so much as a question > for the larger group. How many people here are ready to participate > in this milestone: > > - Sep 2008 Initial versions of high-level mechanism proposals meeting > the criteria above, submitted as individual I-Ds > > Do we have enough people who can allocate enough of their time to do > this within the 6-month lifespan of the EG? Or are we all just too > busy with other things? (Or is everyone just waiting for the charter > to be finalized to submit their I-D?) > > Regards, > Dan > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - FI/Espoo) wrote: > >> Good point. New version attached. >> >>> >>> I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text and I >>> made modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. >>> These milestones are <> useful. >>> Let me know if this is OK for you. >>> > _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus From rucus-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 23 14:51:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: rucus-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-rucus-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBF2D28C27A; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:51:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: rucus@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AC128C27A for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ftRpeV9bMMK0 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:51:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu (smtp0.neclab.eu [195.37.70.41]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B61A728C287 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 14:51:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A15B62C000351; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:51:35 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Amavisd on Debian GNU/Linux (atlas2.office) Received: from smtp0.neclab.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (atlas2.office [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SsWY33quJmDX; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:51:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from VENUS.office (mx1.office [192.168.24.3]) by smtp0.neclab.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 756D82C000303; Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:51:20 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 23:51:19 +0200 Message-ID: <547F018265F92642B577B986577D671C317D14@VENUS.office> In-Reply-To: <48D88E04.1000706@gmx.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 Thread-Index: AckdRpdrwJIDOJ6gTbe9nTPudWUDPwAfrslw References: <062B8EE81F2EC945A577C3EFAE1DD68E0137CDF4@mail.xconnect.net> <48D88E04.1000706@gmx.net> From: "Saverio Niccolini" To: "Hannes Tschofenig" , "Dan York" Cc: rucus@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 X-BeenThere: rucus@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "Reducing Unwanted Communication Using SIP \(RUCUS\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: rucus-bounces@ietf.org Having seen the past experience and the time burned on this, I think we are all waiting to see if the EG gets approved before spending effort on this. It would be quite a waste of time to write I-Ds now and then get the news that the EG is not formed... If there is anybody who can assure the EG is formed then we could start writing already now, until then I think it is difficult to see I-Ds submitted (just my view) Cheers, Saverio ============================================================ Dr. Saverio Niccolini Manager, Real-Time Communications Group NEC Laboratories Europe, Network Research Division Kurfuerstenanlage 36, D-69115 Heidelberg Tel. +49 (0)6221 4342-118 Fax: +49 (0)6221 4342-155 e-mail: saverio.niccolini@nw.neclab.eu <-- !!! NEW ADDRESS !!! ============================================================ NEC Europe Limited Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL Registered in England 2832014 > -----Original Message----- > From: rucus-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rucus-bounces@ietf.org] > On Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 8:35 AM > To: Dan York > Cc: rucus@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Rucus] RUCUS Charter Text v4 > > Hi Dan, > > this is an extremely good question. > > The feedback I got during the RUCUS BOF was that folks are > interested in the topic and that they have time to contribute. > For me it seems that folks wait for the group to be approved. > I hope that this happens soon. There is, however, no need to > wait posting comments. > > Ciao > Hannes > > > Dan York wrote: > > Hannes, > > > > The charter seems fine, but I do have to echo the concerns > others have > > raised about how realistic these timeframes are. The initial > > timeframes for individual proposals is basically *now*, but unless > > I've missed them, I haven't seen any proposals submitted as I-Ds... > > nor have I had the time to write one up myself. Do we have enough > > people willing to participate to make the work of this group happen? > > > > I don't mean that as a question for you, Hannes, so much as > a question > > for the larger group. How many people here are ready to > participate > > in this milestone: > > > > - Sep 2008 Initial versions of high-level mechanism > proposals meeting > > the criteria above, submitted as individual I-Ds > > > > Do we have enough people who can allocate enough of their > time to do > > this within the 6-month lifespan of the EG? Or are we all just too > > busy with other things? (Or is everyone just waiting for > the charter > > to be finalized to submit their I-D?) > > > > Regards, > > Dan > > > > On Sep 17, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Tschofenig, Hannes (NSN - > FI/Espoo) wrote: > > > >> Good point. New version attached. > >> > >>> > >>> I had a chat with Jon and Cullen about the charter text > and I made > >>> modifications to the milestones in response to that discussion. > >>> These milestones are <> useful. > >>> Let me know if this is OK for you. > >>> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Rucus mailing list > Rucus@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus > _______________________________________________ Rucus mailing list Rucus@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rucus