From saag-bounces@ietf.org Mon Sep 1 03:39:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58B43A6985; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8002A3A692E; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.611, BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECDTaznpILBk; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C9273A6783; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 03:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m81AdZpV025988; Mon, 1 Sep 2008 05:40:00 -0500 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:39:35 +0300 Received: from vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.59]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:39:34 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2008 13:39:34 +0300 Message-ID: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB720180D7A2@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Pasi's AD notes for August 2008 Thread-Index: AckMHwX52/iG4CfrQgKSu+D380shZA== From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Sep 2008 10:39:34.0881 (UTC) FILETIME=[0677E510:01C90C1F] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for August 2008 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Here's again a short status update about what things are going on from my point-of-view. If you notice anything that doesn't look right, let me know -- miscommunication and mix-ups do happen. Best regards, Pasi MISC NOTES - This has been a slow month in IETF: people have been on vacation, and I got a baby boy on August 12th (so I've been slightly busy with things other than IETF, too :-). - I processed the errata for RFC 4253 (SSH transport protocol) which had been pending for quite some time. - While processing these errata, I noticed that RFC 4419 needed IANA actions that weren't done; the IANA registry has now been updated. - IESG updated its input to NomCom about the desired expertise for the open positions; I and Tim slightly modified the security AD text based on feedback from other ADs. The updated text should be posted soon. WORKING GROUPS DKIM - Waiting for WG to send list of RFC errata IDs the WG agrees on. EMU - draft-ietf-emu-gpsk: in AD Evaluation -- waiting for revised ID that reflects the new WG consensus on MAC length/key size issue before going to IETF last call. - Waiting for WG chairs to send a liaison statement reply to ITU-T SG 17 regarding X.1034, "Guidelines on EAP-based authentication and key management in a data communication network". IPSECME - (not wearing AD hat) draft-ietf-ipsecme-ikev2bis-00 was submitted. - (not wearing AD hat) I promised to send my "things that need to be looked at" list about IKEv2bis to mailing list ISMS - I need to re-read the latest drafts and participate in naming-related discussion. KEYPROV - I sent some comments regarding PSKC; I need to catch up on the emails and send the remaining (mostly minor) comments I wrote down on my printed copy. - I need to review and comment DSKPP, too. SASL - Frank Ellermann has appealed to me about WG chairs' handling of draft-ietf-sasl-crammd5; there have been off-list discussions, but currently I have the ball to reply to the emails. - Waiting for charter update text from the chairs (>5 months) SYSLOG - draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls: this was on 2008-08-14 IESG telechat; currently waiting for document shepherd (Chris Lonvick) to confirm that the WG is OK with the changes proposed to address Chris Newman's DISCUSS. - draft-ietf-syslog-sign: there has been a bunch of replies to my AD evaluation comments that I need to read and process, but I haven't done so yet. - draft-ietf-syslog-tc-mib: in RFC editor queue TLS - draft-ietf-tls-rfc4346-bis: now published as RFC 5246 - draft-ietf-tls-ecc-new-mac: now published as RFC 5289 - draft-ietf-tls-rsa-aes-gcm: now published as RFC 5288 OTHER DOCUMENTS - draft-hajjeh-tls-identity-protection: I was tasked with shepherding the RFC 3932 review for this document, and need to prepare ballot write-up and proposed IESG note. - draft-ietf-avt-dtls-srtp: I sent bunch of WGLC comments which were addressed in version -04. - draft-mraihi-mutual-oath-hotp-variants: suggested submitting this to RFC editor directly, since it's mostly work done outside the IETF (and doesn't need e.g. any IANA actions). - draft-ietf-netconf-tls: I talked with Tim and sent comments (which were forwarded to WG mailing list, too). - draft-ietf-capwap-*: I've been working with Pat and others, and almost all of my IETF last call comments have been addressed. I still need to reply to the latest email regarding issue 171. - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpssm: no news; waiting for Joerg to explore "feedback debug" messages. - draft-santesson-digestbind: I've promised to read this and send comments. - PKCS #1/RFC 3447 update: waiting for James Randall to post an update including the various errata. - draft-mattsson-srtp-store-and-forward: I've promised to read this and send comments, but haven't done so yet. - draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework: I talked with Tim about this, and I'm waiting for him to discuss with the authors first; I'll also read it once there's a new version. - "Security roadmap for routing protocols": I've promised to read and comment this once Gregory sends something. DISCUSSES (active -- something happened within last month) - draft-cain-post-inch-phishingextns: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-16] - draft-cam-winget-eap-fast-provisioning: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent: the authors have replied to my comments; I need to read the replies [since 2008-08-30] - draft-ietf-mip6-whyauthdataoption: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] - draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon: after discussing with other ADs, we concluded that the document suggests a change to IPv6 specs which needs to go through IETF Last Call, and needs to involve 6man WG -- I'm waiting for Ron/Fred/others for next steps on this [since 2008-08-25] - draft-iijima-netconf-soap-implementation: we've converged on text, but I'd like the NETCONF WG to verify that it's correct; waiting for Dan on this [since 2008-08-28] - draft-mraihi-inch-thraud: there's a new version -07; I need to read it [since 2008-08-25] - draft-zhou-emu-fast-gtc: changes probably agreed, waiting for authors to submit a revised ID to see exact text [since 2008-08-28] DISCUSSES (stalled -- I haven't heard anything from the authors or document shepherd for over one month) - draft-hautakorpi-sipping-uri-list-handling-refused: text agreed, waiting for authors to submited a revised ID [since 2008-07-03] - draft-ietf-bfd-base: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] - draft-ietf-bfd-multihop: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] - draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] - draft-ietf-enum-experiences: talked briefly with Jon Peterson in Dublin -- waiting to hear more from the authors and/or Jon [since 2008-07-31] - draft-ietf-pce-pcep: new version -13 addressed some comments from other ADs; some discussions about my comments has occured; waiting for proposed text or revised ID [since 2008-06-16] - draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-atm-mib: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-07-02] - draft-ietf-shim6-proto: waiting for Erik to propose something to solve IPsec interaction issue [since 2008-06-18] - draft-ietf-simple-imdn: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-05-14] - draft-ietf-sipping-sbc-funcs: new version (-06) addressed all comments except one; text agreed for the remaining one, waiting for RFC editor note or revised ID [since 2008-06-17] - draft-ietf-tsvwg-emergency-rsvp: this document has large number of discusses/abstains; waiting for Magnus to figure out next steps [since 2008-06-03] --end-- _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 4 08:16:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6703A6943; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:16:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC423A6973; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.413 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.187, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hkm6+l9Qehn7; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laweleka.osafoundation.org (laweleka.osafoundation.org [204.152.186.98]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 394913A6A90; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) by laweleka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D5314220E; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new and clamav at osafoundation.org Received: from laweleka.osafoundation.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (laweleka.osafoundation.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRmrd+r3USrU; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.1.1.121] (unknown [157.22.41.236]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by laweleka.osafoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16CC914220C; Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <47490048-25ED-403E-96B9-0D385F764292@osafoundation.org> From: Lisa Dusseault To: HTTP Working Group , secdir@mit.edu, saag@ietf.org, Apps Discuss Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v928.1) Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 13:41:39 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.928.1) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:16:51 -0700 Cc: ietf-http-auth@osafoundation.org Subject: [saag] Request for review and consensus -- draft-hartman-webauth-phishing X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org You may have seen this draft a year ago; Sam is back working on it and produced version -09 last month. http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hartman-webauth-phishing-09 If you've reviewed it before, please take a look at the changes. If you'd like to review it, please do. I'm the shepherd for this draft, so comments can be sent to me, to Sam as author, to ietf-http-auth@osafoundation.org , or to the IETF general list as appropriate. In addition to getting general input, I'd like to get a sense of whether we have consensus on a couple things. a). The statement including "IETF recommends", from section 1.1 of the draft: "In publishing this memo, the IETF recommends making available authentication mechanisms that meet the requirements outlined in Section 4 in HTTP user agents including web browsers. It is hoped that these mechanisms will prove a useful step in fighting phishing. However this memo does not restrict work either in the IETF or any other organization. In particular, new authentication efforts are not bound to meet the requirements posed in this memo unless the charter for those efforts chooses to make these binding requirements. Less formally, the IETF presents this memo as an option to pursue while acknowledging that there may be other promising paths both now and in the future." b) Whether the document should require mutual authentication (section 4.4). Thanks, Lisa D. _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Thu Sep 4 08:26:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F533A692F; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:26:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487303A6B18; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:26:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.927, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q+oQgg0j2eSF; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:26:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.12.33]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2A03A6BDD; Thu, 4 Sep 2008 08:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769909CB42; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:26:12 +1200 (NZST) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailhost.auckland.ac.nz Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (curly.its.auckland.ac.nz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4X1MTj5CId0G; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:26:12 +1200 (NZST) Received: from iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.33.152]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D313C9CB31; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:26:11 +1200 (NZST) Received: from wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz (wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.34.38]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by iris.cs.auckland.ac.nz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA64DE0808A; Fri, 5 Sep 2008 03:26:10 +1200 (NZST) Received: from pgut001 by wintermute01.cs.auckland.ac.nz with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KbGio-00037B-Q7; Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:26:10 +1200 From: pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz (Peter Gutmann) To: discuss@ietf.org, ietf-http-wg@w3.org, lisa@osafoundation.org, saag@ietf.org, secdir@mit.edu In-Reply-To: <47490048-25ED-403E-96B9-0D385F764292@osafoundation.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2008 03:26:10 +1200 Cc: ietf-http-auth@osafoundation.org Subject: Re: [saag] Request for review and consensus -- draft-hartman-webauth-phishing X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Lisa Dusseault writes: >You may have seen this draft a year ago; Sam is back working on it and >produced version -09 last month. > >http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hartman-webauth-phishing-09 > >[...] > >b) Whether the document should require mutual authentication (section 4.4). Yes, absolutely! The whole reason why phishing works is that the site is never authenticated, without mutual auth (and specifically strong mutual auth, e.g. some form of cryptographic challenge-response mechanism rather than the pretend-auth of "do you recognise this image?" that some US banks have adopted) you've not really achieving much. Peter. _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Wed Sep 10 12:09:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B581A3A6AEC; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:09:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5AF93A6783 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mHhT49YOXKvj for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 067923A6A5D for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id x19so1818273pyg.24 for ; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=nL58ZXNI8DkMdGu4NS4fcMxaz7Qvw+dNxLbOe8OKHcI=; b=T6gpi4cbh5cqN495gtXCxiHhdg172/nwFDsG/HXSoQSlB9SW8R5omfzNuigWuM1EZN Rwj0B/fa/qezaFztHYWACcBGklhDB/2WLjyGXY2ED4Qx3BNGjdaX5nudcwJnNkaEmVgY jkkVyB1ZJFVK8soSXy+HKfHRrybhhCMUpoky0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=STMvsAuO1RhNqAHGURQ8osPi8/civFM+yLKaPpbjJdfccDEWDlZ+75p+qTBPk/XqIp 37RoCgibvjWmre5ESxqX2vSQBnkLoJ4BUm2eH8j5SqNPX2dQqde+e0wQfWDU2h9FyeFy ajmWE56rwxfnWsKxzK5RJqn2TC+fTEGdaH0ZE= Received: by 10.142.217.19 with SMTP id p19mr555081wfg.348.1221073721235; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.242.5 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Sep 2008 12:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:08:41 -0400 From: "Anthony Bryan" To: saag@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [saag] Request for review -- draft-bryan-metalink-02 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I'm requesting review on this draft. There are some specific issues which I hope the saag list can comment on: - 4.2.14. Inclusion of digital signatures other than PGP. (Only PGP is currently supported). What do we need to add and how might we need to restructure this for other digital signatures to be included/used? - 8. "Security Considerations". Is there anything else this section needs? - 5. "Securing Metalink Documents" is basically borrowed from Atom (RFC 4287), also an XML format. Has anything changed since then? http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bryan-metalink-02 Metalink is an XML-based document format that describes a file or lists of files to be added to a download queue. Lists are composed of a number of files, each with an extensible set of attached metadata. For example, each file can have a description, checksum, and list of URIs that it is available from. The primary use case that Metalink addresses is the description of downloadable content in a format so download agents can act intelligently and recover from common errors with little or no user interaction necessary. These errors can include multiple servers going down and data corrupted in transmission. Thank you, -- (( Anthony Bryan ... Metalink [ http://www.metalinker.org ] )) Easier, More Reliable, Self Healing Downloads _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Sat Sep 13 09:13:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 539943A6C89; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:13:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 525BE3A6C8B for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:13:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.134, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lU0EuVHRW5IL for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from woodstock.binhost.com (woodstock.binhost.com [8.8.40.152]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 167213A6C89 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:13:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 18915 invoked by uid 0); 13 Sep 2008 16:12:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com) (96.255.142.128) by woodstock.binhost.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2008 16:12:10 -0000 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 12:13:08 -0400 To: saag@ietf.org From: Russ Housley Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20080913161303.167213A6C89@core3.amsl.com> Subject: [saag] FW: Call for Nominees X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Joel mentioned that we are very short in nominees in all areas. So, I'm forwarding this for your consideration. Russ -----Original Message----- From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of NomCom Chair Sent: 12 September 2008 12:47 To: IETF Announcement list Subject: Call for Nominees The 2008-9 IETF Nominating Committee needs your help. We have started getting candidates. If we are going to do our job in time, we have only 3 more weeks to get enough candidates to have a reasonable pool for all the jobs. At the moment, we do not have a reasonable pool for any jobs. If you are willing to serve, please nominate yourself. If there is someone you think would do a good job, please nominate them. The web site at: http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/08 Has the list of positions we are seeking people for, as well as tools for providing both nominations and feedback. Alternatively, you can submit nominations by sending email to me. Please help us. Thank you, Joel M. Halpern jmh@joelhalpern.com nomcom-chair@ietf.org _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 30 03:21:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BE413A687E; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE54E3A687E for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:21:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.334 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.334 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.265, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ErIztLB9hGmk for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0733A67B4 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 03:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m8UALSYj018033; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:54 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:44 +0300 Received: from vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.59]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:43 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:21:41 +0300 Message-ID: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7201BCD0ED@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 Thread-Index: Acki5lSXKuX1vLTvTBqkzPDzTEQ8XA== From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2008 10:21:43.0952 (UTC) FILETIME=[561FD900:01C922E6] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Hi all, Here's again a short status update about what things are going on = from my point-of-view. If you notice anything that doesn't look right, let me know -- miscommunication and mix-ups do happen. Best regards, Pasi MISC NOTES - There have been two security-related BoF requests for IETF73: OAuth (in the applications area), and Content Rights Management (in the security area). For the latter, Tim and I have recommended = having a bar BoF first. = - SecDir mailing list is in the process of being moved from mit.edu = to ietf.org servers. - I've spent some time this month on tools development and IESG process improvements -- nothing is ready yet, but hopefully soon.. WORKING GROUPS DKIM - draft-ietf-dkim-ssp: in Publication Requested, waiting for = me to read it. - Waiting for WG to send list of RFC errata IDs the WG agrees on. EMU - draft-ietf-emu-gpsk: in AD Evaluation -- waiting for revised = ID that reflects the new WG consensus on MAC length/key size = issue before going to IETF last call (since 2008-08-25) - A liaison statement reply was sent to ITU-T SG 17 regarding X.1034, = "Guidelines on EAP-based authentication and key management in a = data communication network". - IESG appointed Joe Salowey as the designated expert for IANA = allocation of EAP Type Codes - (not WG item) draft-arkko-eap-aka-kdf =EDs now in IETF Last Call IPSECME - Lots of emails that I need to read (but haven't done so yet) - (not wearing AD hat) I sent my "things that need to be looked at" = list about IKEv2bis to the mailing list; I need to check that = they got entered in the issue tracker, too. ISMS - It seems the discussion has largely converged; I'm waiting for revised IDs to read and review. KEYPROV - I sent more comments regarding PSKC; I need to read the replies and participate in discussion. - I need to review and comment DSKPP, too. = SASL - I replied to Frank Ellermann's appeal about WG chairs' handling = of draft-ietf-sasl-crammd5. - Waiting for charter update text from the chairs (>6 months) SYSLOG - draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls: a revised version addressing Chris Newman's DISCUSS should be posted in a couple of days. - draft-ietf-syslog-sign: there has been a bunch of replies to my AD evaluation comments that I need to read and process, but I = haven't done so yet. TLS - (not WG item) draft-rescorla-tls-suiteb is now in IETF Last Call. - (not WG item) draft-hajjeh-tls-identity-protection: IESG reviewed this independent submission to the RFC Editor, and recommended not publishing it. OTHER DOCUMENTS - draft-ietf-capwap-*: I've been working with Pat and others, and I think we're done (except that agreed text needs to be = edited in, and some editorial nits fixed). - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpssm: no news; waiting for Joerg to explore "feedback debug" messages. - draft-santesson-digestbind: I read this and sent comments to Stefan. - PKCS #1/RFC 3447 update: waiting for James Randall to post an update including the various errata. - draft-mattsson-srtp-store-and-forward: I've promised to read = this and send comments, but haven't done so yet. - draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework: I've promised = to read this once there's a new version. - "Security roadmap for routing protocols": I've promised to read and comment this once Gregory sends something. = DISCUSSES (active -- something happened within last month) - draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211: text agreed, waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since 2008-09-26] - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent: waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] - draft-ietf-mip6-whyauthdataoption: waiting for authors to submit = a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] - draft-ietf-mipshop-mstp-solution: the authors have replied to = my comments; I need to read the replies [since 2008-09-26] - draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gss-v2: waiting for authors to reply to my comments [since 2008-09-25] - draft-ietf-sieve-refuse-reject: waiting for authors to reply to my comments [since 2008-09-11] - draft-ietf-sipping-race-examples: waiting for document shepherd or Jon to comment the "Updates" issue [since 2008-09-26] - draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon: the changes in version -10 were sent to 6MAN WG for review; I'll clear once this has happened = [expected to happen on 2008-10-01] - draft-mraihi-inch-thraud: version -07 addressed almost all of = my comments; waiting for authors to send RFC Editor Note text fixing the IANA issue, too [since 2008-09-02] DISCUSSES (stalled -- I haven't heard anything from the authors = or document shepherd for over one month) - draft-cain-post-inch-phishingextns: waiting for authors to reply = to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] - draft-cam-winget-eap-fast-provisioning: waiting for authors to = reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] - draft-hautakorpi-sipping-uri-list-handling-refused: text agreed, = waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since 2008-07-03] - draft-ietf-enum-experiences: talked briefly with Jon Peterson = in Dublin -- waiting to hear more from the authors and/or Jon [since 2008-07-31] - draft-ietf-pce-pcep: new version -15 addressed some comments from other ADs; some discussions about my comments has occured; waiting for proposed text or revised ID [since 2008-06-16] - draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-atm-mib: waiting for authors to reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-07-02] - draft-zhou-emu-fast-gtc: changes probably agreed, waiting for authors to submit a revised ID to see exact text [since 2008-08-28] DISCUSSES (presumed dead -- I haven't heard anything from the authors or document shepherd for over three months) - draft-ietf-bfd-base: waiting for authors to reply to my = comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] - draft-ietf-bfd-multihop: waiting for authors to reply to = my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] - draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop: waiting for authors to reply to = my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] - draft-ietf-shim6-proto: waiting for Erik to propose something = to solve IPsec interaction issue [since 2008-06-18] - draft-ietf-simple-imdn: waiting for authors to reply to my = comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-05-14] - draft-ietf-sipping-sbc-funcs: new version (-06) addressed all comments except one; text agreed for the remaining one, waiting for RFC editor note or revised ID [since 2008-06-17] - draft-ietf-tsvwg-emergency-rsvp: this document has large = number of discusses/abstains; waiting for Magnus to figure out next steps [since 2008-06-03] --end-- _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 30 11:28:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D80403A6804; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC2153A6BA0 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PV2jyrFSv+dG for ; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Pasi, Tim, Apologies for asking, but I was wondering about the proposed Content Rights= Management (ie. DRM) BOF. More specifically, I was wondering if the IETF i= s now open to discussing such a "DRM standard". Back in 2001, Mark Baugher and myself went through two (2) BOFs proposing t= he creation of an IETF open standards for a DRM protocol. If my memory ser= ves me right the presiding ADs was Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley. The spe= cific protocol was called PERM, and the slides can be found here: http://hardjono.net/idrm/ At that time the outcry against this effort was deafening. I was arguing th= at it was better for the IETF to own such a protocol and made it it "open" = (ie. not proprietary and no need to sign consortium legal paperwork). Since= that time there has been a plethora of DRM related products and standards = (eg. Apple, MSFT RM, OMA-download, CableLabs, 5C, etc, etc). In a sense, th= e IETF missed the boat on this one. Not that I'm unsupportive, but I was wondering what is motivating the IETF = to propose such a BOF again at this time :) Thanks. Regards. /thomas/ --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com wrote: > From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com > Subject: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 > To: saag@ietf.org, secdir@mit.edu > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 3:21 AM > Hi all, > = > Here's again a short status update about what things > are going on = > from my point-of-view. If you notice anything that > doesn't look > right, let me know -- miscommunication and mix-ups do > happen. > = > Best regards, > Pasi > = > MISC NOTES > = > - There have been two security-related BoF requests for > IETF73: > OAuth (in the applications area), and Content Rights > Management > (in the security area). For the latter, Tim and I have > recommended = > having a bar BoF first. = > - SecDir mailing list is in the process of being moved from > mit.edu = > to ietf.org servers. > - I've spent some time this month on tools development > and IESG > process improvements -- nothing is ready yet, but > hopefully soon.. > = > WORKING GROUPS > = > DKIM > - draft-ietf-dkim-ssp: in Publication Requested, waiting > for = > me to read it. > - Waiting for WG to send list of RFC errata IDs the WG > agrees on. > = > EMU > - draft-ietf-emu-gpsk: in AD Evaluation -- waiting for > revised = > ID that reflects the new WG consensus on MAC length/key > size = > issue before going to IETF last call (since 2008-08-25) > - A liaison statement reply was sent to ITU-T SG 17 > regarding X.1034, = > "Guidelines on EAP-based authentication and key > management in a = > data communication network". > - IESG appointed Joe Salowey as the designated expert for > IANA = > allocation of EAP Type Codes > - (not WG item) draft-arkko-eap-aka-kdf =EDs now in IETF > Last Call > = > IPSECME > - Lots of emails that I need to read (but haven't done > so yet) > - (not wearing AD hat) I sent my "things that need to > be looked at" = > list about IKEv2bis to the mailing list; I need to check > that = > they got entered in the issue tracker, too. > = > ISMS > - It seems the discussion has largely converged; I'm > waiting for > revised IDs to read and review. > = > KEYPROV > - I sent more comments regarding PSKC; I need to read the > replies > and participate in discussion. > - I need to review and comment DSKPP, too. > = > SASL > - I replied to Frank Ellermann's appeal about WG > chairs' handling = > of draft-ietf-sasl-crammd5. > - Waiting for charter update text from the chairs (>6 > months) > = > SYSLOG > - draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls: a revised version > addressing > Chris Newman's DISCUSS should be posted in a couple > of days. > - draft-ietf-syslog-sign: there has been a bunch of replies > to my > AD evaluation comments that I need to read and process, > but I = > haven't done so yet. > = > TLS > - (not WG item) draft-rescorla-tls-suiteb is now in IETF > Last Call. > - (not WG item) draft-hajjeh-tls-identity-protection: IESG > reviewed > this independent submission to the RFC Editor, and > recommended > not publishing it. > = > OTHER DOCUMENTS > = > - draft-ietf-capwap-*: I've been working with Pat and > others, > and I think we're done (except that agreed text needs > to be = > edited in, and some editorial nits fixed). > - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpssm: no news; waiting for Joerg to > explore > "feedback debug" messages. > - draft-santesson-digestbind: I read this and sent comments > to > Stefan. > - PKCS #1/RFC 3447 update: waiting for James Randall to > post an > update including the various errata. > - draft-mattsson-srtp-store-and-forward: I've promised > to read = > this and send comments, but haven't done so yet. > - draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework: > I've promised = > to read this once there's a new version. > - "Security roadmap for routing protocols": > I've promised to read > and comment this once Gregory sends something. > = > DISCUSSES (active -- something happened within last month) > = > - draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211: text > agreed, > waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since > 2008-09-26] > - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent: waiting for authors to > submit > a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] > - draft-ietf-mip6-whyauthdataoption: waiting for authors to > submit = > a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] > - draft-ietf-mipshop-mstp-solution: the authors have > replied to = > my comments; I need to read the replies [since > 2008-09-26] > - draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gss-v2: waiting for authors to > reply to my comments [since 2008-09-25] > - draft-ietf-sieve-refuse-reject: waiting for authors to > reply > to my comments [since 2008-09-11] > - draft-ietf-sipping-race-examples: waiting for document > shepherd > or Jon to comment the "Updates" issue [since > 2008-09-26] > - draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon: the changes in version -10 were > sent > to 6MAN WG for review; I'll clear once this has > happened = > [expected to happen on 2008-10-01] > - draft-mraihi-inch-thraud: version -07 addressed almost > all of = > my comments; waiting for authors to send RFC Editor Note > text > fixing the IANA issue, too [since 2008-09-02] > = > DISCUSSES (stalled -- I haven't heard anything from the > authors = > or document shepherd for over one month) > = > - draft-cain-post-inch-phishingextns: waiting for authors > to reply = > to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] > - draft-cam-winget-eap-fast-provisioning: waiting for > authors to = > reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since > 2008-08-28] > - draft-hautakorpi-sipping-uri-list-handling-refused: text > agreed, = > waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since > 2008-07-03] > - draft-ietf-enum-experiences: talked briefly with Jon > Peterson = > in Dublin -- waiting to hear more from the authors and/or > Jon > [since 2008-07-31] > - draft-ietf-pce-pcep: new version -15 addressed some > comments from > other ADs; some discussions about my comments has > occured; > waiting for proposed text or revised ID [since > 2008-06-16] > - draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-atm-mib: waiting for authors to reply > to > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-07-02] > - draft-zhou-emu-fast-gtc: changes probably agreed, waiting > for authors > to submit a revised ID to see exact text [since > 2008-08-28] > = > DISCUSSES (presumed dead -- I haven't heard anything > from the authors > or document shepherd for over three months) > = > - draft-ietf-bfd-base: waiting for authors to reply to my = > comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > - draft-ietf-bfd-multihop: waiting for authors to reply to = > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > - draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop: waiting for authors to reply to > = > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > - draft-ietf-shim6-proto: waiting for Erik to propose > something = > to solve IPsec interaction issue [since 2008-06-18] > - draft-ietf-simple-imdn: waiting for authors to reply to > my = > comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-05-14] > - draft-ietf-sipping-sbc-funcs: new version (-06) addressed > all comments except one; text agreed for the remaining > one, > waiting for RFC editor note or revised ID [since > 2008-06-17] > - draft-ietf-tsvwg-emergency-rsvp: this document has large = > number of discusses/abstains; waiting for Magnus to > figure > out next steps [since 2008-06-03] > = > --end-- > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 30 12:52:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0D7328C137; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:52:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBEC28C137 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:52:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.65 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.65 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.385, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HIv18d6yj9TX for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org [69.25.196.178]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D97D3A6B76 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:52:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by carter-zimmerman.suchdamage.org (Postfix, from userid 8042) id 5CBA0C402F; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:52:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Hartman To: saag@ietf.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [saag] Nominations needed for IETF Leadership X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Folks, at today's nomcom call, we decided that we would strongly like to encourage additional nominations for IETF chair, security AD, transport AD and apps AD. Nominations need to be in by October 3. I'd appreciate it if you could take some time to go to http://tools.ietf.org/group/nomcom/08 and nominate people (including yourself) who you believe would do a good job in these areas. _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 30 13:08:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254FC3A6A2E; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:08:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901043A6A2E for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:08:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1PC-ZdykTANb for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:08:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (properopus-pt.tunnel.tserv3.fmt2.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f04:392::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D0973A685E for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:08:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.152] (sn81.proper.com [75.101.18.81]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m8UK93X3015195 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:09:03 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <224856.81582.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <224856.81582.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:09:01 -0700 To: saag@ietf.org, secdir@mit.edu From: Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org At 1:21 PM +0300 9/30/08, wrote: >- There have been two security-related BoF requests for IETF73: > OAuth (in the applications area), and Content Rights Management > (in the security area). For the latter, Tim and I have recommended > having a bar BoF first. At 11:27 AM -0700 9/30/08, Thomas Hardjono wrote: >Not that I'm unsupportive, but I was wondering what is motivating >the IETF to propose such a BOF again at this time :) I do not read Pasi's note as the IETF proposing anything: he said that there was a request for some to have the BoF. The fact that Pasi and Tim have suggested that this be a bar BoF first may give an indication of how excited they are about this work. I, for one, hope to be far, far away from that bar BoF when it happens. --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 30 14:52:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8312F3A6B3F; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:52:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA1F28C143 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.303 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.296, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KsmSC8sCQUt6 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx03.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.230]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A853A635F for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh105.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.211]) by mgw-mx03.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m8ULqBrr024057; Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:52:13 +0300 Received: from vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.23]) by esebh105.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0300 Received: from vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com ([10.160.244.59]) by vaebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2008 00:52:11 +0300 Message-ID: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7201C311C7@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <224856.81582.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Content rights management (was: Pasi's AD notes for September 2008) Thread-Index: AckjKjg/JbjArGxET9mY7474s2UILwAE3+ag References: <224856.81582.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> From: To: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Sep 2008 21:52:11.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[CAFA6460:01C92346] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [saag] Content rights management (was: Pasi's AD notes for September 2008) X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Thomas, If I remember the history correctly, the IDRM and PERM BOFs were about DRM for copyright enforcement, or managing rights for entertainment = content that is usually publicly available (to anyone who pays). As = you point out, this is an area where several other organizations have = also been active (not very successfully, some folks might say), and = I don't think IETF work in this area would have much chances either. However, this BOF proposal is about managing rights for *confidential* information (inside an enterprise, or between cooperating enterprises); = some folks are using the term "data-centric security" to mean something = similar. This topic has received perhaps less attention (although e.g. Microsoft = Office has related features), and there are some differences. For = example, entertainment DRM often considers the user to be the adversary, = but inside an enterprise, most users aren't actively trying to leak = confidential information to competitors. Also, entertainment DRM is = usually "break once, run anywhere", so if it works only 50% of time, = it's useless -- but preventing 50% of information leaks could be = worthwhile. Even this kind of "rights management" is a somewhat controversial topic (especially if used outside enterprise scenarios), and personally, = I have some doubts whether we at IETF have the right set of people = (e.g., vendors, potential users, etc.) for this work (and it's not clear what "this work" even is). However, I think the topic is = sufficiently different from entertainment DRM that it might succeed somewhere (even if it turns out IETF wasn't the right place). Unlike Paul (who replied to you already), I might even consider going = to the bar BOF, if it happens and they have good beer :-) However, I want to clarify that the IETF is *not* proposing anything here -- = a bar BOF is just individuals chatting over drinks. Best regards, Pasi > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Thomas Hardjono [mailto:thardjono@yahoo.com] = > Sent: 30 September, 2008 21:28 > To: saag@ietf.org; secdir@mit.edu; Eronen Pasi (Nokia-NRC/Helsinki) > Cc: Mark Baugher; thardjono@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 > = > = > = > Pasi, Tim, > = > Apologies for asking, but I was wondering about the proposed = > Content Rights Management (ie. DRM) BOF. More specifically, I = > was wondering if the IETF is now open to discussing such a = > "DRM standard". > = > Back in 2001, Mark Baugher and myself went through two (2) = > BOFs proposing the creation of an IETF open standards for a = > DRM protocol. If my memory serves me right the presiding ADs = > was Steve Bellovin and Russ Housley. The specific protocol = > was called PERM, and the slides can be found here: > http://hardjono.net/idrm/ > = > At that time the outcry against this effort was deafening. I = > was arguing that it was better for the IETF to own such a = > protocol and made it it "open" (ie. not proprietary and no = > need to sign consortium legal paperwork). Since that time = > there has been a plethora of DRM related products and = > standards (eg. Apple, MSFT RM, OMA-download, CableLabs, 5C, = > etc, etc). In a sense, the IETF missed the boat on this one. > = > Not that I'm unsupportive, but I was wondering what is = > motivating the IETF to propose such a BOF again at this time :) > = > Thanks. > = > Regards. > = > /thomas/ > = > --- On Tue, 9/30/08, Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com = > wrote: > = > > From: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com > > Subject: [saag] Pasi's AD notes for September 2008 > > To: saag@ietf.org, secdir@mit.edu > > Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 3:21 AM > > Hi all, > > = > > Here's again a short status update about what things > > are going on = > > from my point-of-view. If you notice anything that > > doesn't look > > right, let me know -- miscommunication and mix-ups do > > happen. > > = > > Best regards, > > Pasi > > = > > MISC NOTES > > = > > - There have been two security-related BoF requests for > > IETF73: > > OAuth (in the applications area), and Content Rights > > Management > > (in the security area). For the latter, Tim and I have > > recommended = > > having a bar BoF first. = > > - SecDir mailing list is in the process of being moved from > > mit.edu = > > to ietf.org servers. > > - I've spent some time this month on tools development > > and IESG > > process improvements -- nothing is ready yet, but > > hopefully soon.. > > = > > WORKING GROUPS > > = > > DKIM > > - draft-ietf-dkim-ssp: in Publication Requested, waiting > > for = > > me to read it. > > - Waiting for WG to send list of RFC errata IDs the WG > > agrees on. > > = > > EMU > > - draft-ietf-emu-gpsk: in AD Evaluation -- waiting for > > revised = > > ID that reflects the new WG consensus on MAC length/key > > size = > > issue before going to IETF last call (since 2008-08-25) > > - A liaison statement reply was sent to ITU-T SG 17 > > regarding X.1034, = > > "Guidelines on EAP-based authentication and key > > management in a = > > data communication network". > > - IESG appointed Joe Salowey as the designated expert for > > IANA = > > allocation of EAP Type Codes > > - (not WG item) draft-arkko-eap-aka-kdf =EDs now in IETF > > Last Call > > = > > IPSECME > > - Lots of emails that I need to read (but haven't done > > so yet) > > - (not wearing AD hat) I sent my "things that need to > > be looked at" = > > list about IKEv2bis to the mailing list; I need to check > > that = > > they got entered in the issue tracker, too. > > = > > ISMS > > - It seems the discussion has largely converged; I'm > > waiting for > > revised IDs to read and review. > > = > > KEYPROV > > - I sent more comments regarding PSKC; I need to read the > > replies > > and participate in discussion. > > - I need to review and comment DSKPP, too. > > = > > SASL > > - I replied to Frank Ellermann's appeal about WG > > chairs' handling = > > of draft-ietf-sasl-crammd5. > > - Waiting for charter update text from the chairs (>6 > > months) > > = > > SYSLOG > > - draft-ietf-syslog-transport-tls: a revised version > > addressing > > Chris Newman's DISCUSS should be posted in a couple > > of days. > > - draft-ietf-syslog-sign: there has been a bunch of replies > > to my > > AD evaluation comments that I need to read and process, > > but I = > > haven't done so yet. > > = > > TLS > > - (not WG item) draft-rescorla-tls-suiteb is now in IETF > > Last Call. > > - (not WG item) draft-hajjeh-tls-identity-protection: IESG > > reviewed > > this independent submission to the RFC Editor, and > > recommended > > not publishing it. > > = > > OTHER DOCUMENTS > > = > > - draft-ietf-capwap-*: I've been working with Pat and > > others, > > and I think we're done (except that agreed text needs > > to be = > > edited in, and some editorial nits fixed). > > - draft-ietf-avt-rtcpssm: no news; waiting for Joerg to > > explore > > "feedback debug" messages. > > - draft-santesson-digestbind: I read this and sent comments > > to > > Stefan. > > - PKCS #1/RFC 3447 update: waiting for James Randall to > > post an > > update including the various errata. > > - draft-mattsson-srtp-store-and-forward: I've promised > > to read = > > this and send comments, but haven't done so yet. > > - draft-ietf-mpls-mpls-and-gmpls-security-framework: > > I've promised = > > to read this once there's a new version. > > - "Security roadmap for routing protocols": > > I've promised to read > > and comment this once Gregory sends something. > > = > > DISCUSSES (active -- something happened within last month) > > = > > - draft-ietf-capwap-protocol-binding-ieee80211: text > > agreed, > > waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since > > 2008-09-26] > > - draft-ietf-lemonade-msgevent: waiting for authors to > > submit > > a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] > > - draft-ietf-mip6-whyauthdataoption: waiting for authors to > > submit = > > a revised ID [since 2008-09-08] > > - draft-ietf-mipshop-mstp-solution: the authors have > > replied to = > > my comments; I need to read the replies [since > > 2008-09-26] > > - draft-ietf-nfsv4-rpcsec-gss-v2: waiting for authors to > > reply to my comments [since 2008-09-25] > > - draft-ietf-sieve-refuse-reject: waiting for authors to > > reply > > to my comments [since 2008-09-11] > > - draft-ietf-sipping-race-examples: waiting for document > > shepherd > > or Jon to comment the "Updates" issue [since > > 2008-09-26] > > - draft-ietf-v6ops-addcon: the changes in version -10 were > > sent > > to 6MAN WG for review; I'll clear once this has > > happened = > > [expected to happen on 2008-10-01] > > - draft-mraihi-inch-thraud: version -07 addressed almost > > all of = > > my comments; waiting for authors to send RFC Editor Note > > text > > fixing the IANA issue, too [since 2008-09-02] > > = > > DISCUSSES (stalled -- I haven't heard anything from the > > authors = > > or document shepherd for over one month) > > = > > - draft-cain-post-inch-phishingextns: waiting for authors > > to reply = > > to my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-08-28] > > - draft-cam-winget-eap-fast-provisioning: waiting for > > authors to = > > reply to my comments or submit a revised ID [since > > 2008-08-28] > > - draft-hautakorpi-sipping-uri-list-handling-refused: text > > agreed, = > > waiting for authors to submit a revised ID [since > > 2008-07-03] > > - draft-ietf-enum-experiences: talked briefly with Jon > > Peterson = > > in Dublin -- waiting to hear more from the authors and/or > > Jon > > [since 2008-07-31] > > - draft-ietf-pce-pcep: new version -15 addressed some > > comments from > > other ADs; some discussions about my comments has > > occured; > > waiting for proposed text or revised ID [since > > 2008-06-16] > > - draft-ietf-pwe3-pw-atm-mib: waiting for authors to reply > > to > > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-07-02] > > - draft-zhou-emu-fast-gtc: changes probably agreed, waiting > > for authors > > to submit a revised ID to see exact text [since > > 2008-08-28] > > = > > DISCUSSES (presumed dead -- I haven't heard anything > > from the authors > > or document shepherd for over three months) > > = > > - draft-ietf-bfd-base: waiting for authors to reply to my = > > comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > > - draft-ietf-bfd-multihop: waiting for authors to reply to = > > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > > - draft-ietf-bfd-v4v6-1hop: waiting for authors to reply to > > = > > my comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-06-05] > > - draft-ietf-shim6-proto: waiting for Erik to propose > > something = > > to solve IPsec interaction issue [since 2008-06-18] > > - draft-ietf-simple-imdn: waiting for authors to reply to > > my = > > comments or submit a revised ID [since 2008-05-14] > > - draft-ietf-sipping-sbc-funcs: new version (-06) addressed > > all comments except one; text agreed for the remaining > > one, > > waiting for RFC editor note or revised ID [since > > 2008-06-17] > > - draft-ietf-tsvwg-emergency-rsvp: this document has large = > > number of discusses/abstains; waiting for Magnus to > > figure > > out next steps [since 2008-06-03] > > = > > --end-- > > _______________________________________________ > > saag mailing list > > saag@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag > = > = > = > = > = _______________________________________________ saag mailing list saag@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From saag-bounces@ietf.org Tue Sep 30 15:22:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag-archive@ietf.org Delivered-To: ietfarch-saag-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4358A3A6BCF; Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:22:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15CCB3A68C8 for ; 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Quigley" To: Pasi.Eronen@nokia.com In-Reply-To: <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7201C311C7@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> References: <224856.81582.qm@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <1696498986EFEC4D9153717DA325CB7201C311C7@vaebe104.NOE.Nokia.com> Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:03:49 -0400 Message-Id: <1222812229.31539.38.camel@moss-terrapins.epoch.ncsc.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) Cc: saag@ietf.org Subject: Re: [saag] Content rights management (was: Pasi's AD notes for September 2008) X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org SXQgbWF5IGp1c3QgYmUgbWUgYnV0IHRoaXMganVzdCBzb3VuZHMgbGlrZSB5b3Ugd2FudCBhbiBl bnZpcm9ubWVudCB0aGF0CmVuZm9yY2VzIG1hbmRhdG9yeSBhY2Nlc3MgY29udHJvbHMgYW5kIGhh 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Quigley" To: paul.moore@hp.com, latten@austin.ibm.com, Kurt.Zeilenga@Isode.com, saag@ietf.org, rja@extremenetworks.com, Nicolas.Williams@sun.com, Jarrett.Lu@sun.com Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:06:12 -0400 Message-Id: <1222812372.31539.40.camel@moss-terrapins.epoch.ncsc.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) Subject: [saag] Call for Participation: IETF 73 MAC Labeling Bar BOF X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: saag-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: saag-bounces@ietf.org Hello, I am organizing a Bar BOF to discuss the use of security labels in IETF protocols. Recently there have been at least three drafts introduced to the IETF which deal with security labels. While there may be other drafts in the work that deal with this topic, from the three I've seen there is at least one issue where myself and others believe we need to reach a consensus. According to the IETF 73 cutoff dates list we won't know the final agenda for the event until October 27th. Once this date rolls around I will post a list of suggested dates and times for the BOF to take place. I also need to figure out where in the hotel to host the BOF. As the name suggests we can hold it in the hotel's bar, however another suggestion has been to get a room at a restaurant and hold the meeting over dinner. Depending on the interest in this BOF neither of these options may accommodate the number of people interested. In that case I'll have to see if I can find a more suitable place to hold the BOF. Hopefully I will have this information to you before we arrive at IETF 73 but if I don't I'll make sure I inform everyone of where I will post the information. As of right now I have four people interested in the BOF and I hope to have more as time passes. I would like to be able to create a mailing list for the BOF but unfortunately I am not able to do that where I am. If someone else would like to host the mailing list (Not to be taken as a solicitation by the US Govt) that would be great. For now if you are interested in the BOF feel free to email me so I have an idea of the general interest. The current agenda only has one item on it and that is the specification of a DOI. In the recent weeks I've read three drafts that have three different specifications of Domains of Interpretation (DOIs). While this is the only thing I have at the moment if you have other suggestions for topics or drafts you would like to discuss please bring them to my attention so I can make sure to add them to the agenda. 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