From nobody Tue Sep 14 13:34:15 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73E43A2D39 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 13:34:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgJ44a2QU4qE for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 13:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [23.123.122.147]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B720B3A2D18 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 13:34:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA6D6250B for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:33:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at htt-consult.com Received: from z9m9z.htt-consult.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (z9m9z.htt-consult.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id qCFzNTsQFJbv for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lx140e.htt-consult.com (unknown [192.168.160.29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by z9m9z.htt-consult.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 180D062434 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:33:03 -0400 (EDT) To: "saag@ietf.org" From: Robert Moskowitz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 16:34:01 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [saag] Review of Privacy section in draft-ietf-drip-rid X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 20:34:13 -0000 I don't know if this is the preferred list to catch people concerned with privacy issues within IETF protocols, but here goes. draft-ietf-drip-rid proposes a trustable Unmanned Aircraft (AKA Drone) Remote ID to meet the new regulations coming from the various Civil Aviation Authorities (e.g. FAA) worldwide. I just sent a review request to CFRG on the hashing pieces in drip-rid. Here I am asking comments on Sec 8, DET Privacy.  Or actually lack of any privacy and how to limit historical trackablity. I welcome all comments. Thank you Robert Moskowitz From nobody Tue Sep 14 20:41:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 791303A119E for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 20:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.498 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.399, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30IexKOi9fhF for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 20:41:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DFA83A1197 for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 20:41:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 18F3exkI027649 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 23:41:05 -0400 Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 20:40:58 -0700 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: saag@ietf.org Message-ID: <20210915034058.GW32645@kduck.mit.edu> References: <163163996293.20766.13128213938136732159@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <163163996293.20766.13128213938136732159@ietfa.amsl.com> Archived-At: Subject: [saag] Fwd: Last Call: (Proof of Transit) to Experimental RFC X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 03:41:13 -0000 The proof-of-transit techniques in this document might be interesting to readers here. -Ben On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 10:19:23AM -0700, The IESG wrote: > > The IESG has received a request from the Service Function Chaining WG (sfc) > to consider the following document: - 'Proof of Transit' > as Experimental RFC > > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final > comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the > last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-09-28. Exceptionally, comments may > be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning > of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. > > Abstract > > > Several technologies such as Traffic Engineering (TE), Service > Function Chaining (SFC), and policy based routing are used to steer > traffic through a specific, user-defined path. This document defines > mechanisms to securely prove that traffic transited a defined path. > These mechanisms allow to securely verify whether, within a given > path, all packets traversed all the nodes that they are supposed to > visit. 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[146.115.101.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 21sm317209qkk.51.2021.09.15.09.02.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 15 Sep 2021 09:02:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kathleen Moriarty X-Google-Original-From: Kathleen Moriarty Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 12:02:14 -0400 Message-Id: <03F85585-E067-482E-B3AF-E5F8031C218C@gmail.com> References: Cc: IETF SAAG , Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de In-Reply-To: To: sarikaya@ieee.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (18H17) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] IoT Authentication X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:02:23 -0000 Greetings, Have you looked at the work of the Authentication and Authorization of Const= rained Environment (ACE) working group? If not, that is the place to begin. Best regards, Kathleen=20 Sent from my mobile device > On Sep 15, 2021, at 11:09 AM, Behcet Sarikaya wro= te: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Hi all, >=20 > Can anyone point to a recent survey draft/RFC on IoT authentication techni= ques developed/being developed in various WGs so far? >=20 > Thanks in advance, >=20 > Behcet > _______________________________________________ > saag mailing list > saag@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/saag From nobody Wed Sep 15 13:49:25 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: saag@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4887D3A110E for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:49:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mI10RfeUXuMr for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0010F3A110B for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 13:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5306C39F56; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id vafUN4mx4rZz; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D2F539F54; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3FF553; Wed, 15 Sep 2021 16:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: sarikaya@ieee.org cc: IETF SAAG , "\" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [saag] IoT Authentication X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:49:20 -0000 --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Behcet Sarikaya wrote: > Can anyone point to a recent survey draft/RFC on IoT authentication > techniques developed/being developed in various WGs so far? What exactly are you talking about? You write *authentication*, but do you mean authorization? I know that you know the difference, so I wonder exactly what you mean. ACE has done lots of interesting work, but it about authorization, not authentication. RFC8995 (BRSKI) deals with authentication of devices, including sending authorizations to the device as to what network they should join, and how to authenticate that network. I have a few documents that started in ANIMA: 1) draft-richardson-anima-masa-considerations (*) Mostly about IDevID and other related trust anchors such that devices can later be authenticated. 2) draft-richardson-t2trg-idevid-considerations Forked off above, dealing with how the PKI used for above can be evaluated. 3) draft-richardson-anima-registrar-considerations (*) about how an operator builds and manages the infrastructure to authenticate devices. (*) sorry, expired, but documents will get refreshed this month. In addition. t2trg has: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-irtf-t2trg-secure-bootstrapping/ it refers to many things, including https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-emu-eap-noob/ which is on the verge of RFC. Today, most vertically integrated systems deploy static keys to the devices to authenticate the "cloud" service to the IoT device. 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Or not. The proposed algorithm is broken. -- Christian Huitema > > -Ben > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2021 at 10:19:23AM -0700, The IESG wrote: >> The IESG has received a request from the Service Function Chaining WG (sfc) >> to consider the following document: - 'Proof of Transit' >> as Experimental RFC >> >> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final >> comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the >> last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2021-09-28. Exceptionally, comments may >> be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning >> of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. >> >> Abstract >> >> >> Several technologies such as Traffic Engineering (TE), Service >> Function Chaining (SFC), and policy based routing are used to steer >> traffic through a specific, user-defined path. This document defines >> mechanisms to securely prove that traffic transited a defined path. >> These mechanisms allow to securely verify whether, within a given >> path, all packets traversed all the nodes that they are supposed to >> visit. 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But several (well two) people said that I should let SAAG know about this. So... Workshop on Evolving Routing Security in the Internet to be held on Thursday 30th September at 3pm UTC. Duration 90 minutes. 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112 X-BeenThere: saag@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Security Area Advisory Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 16:18:35 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Liz Flynn, on behalf of the saag working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Security Area Open Meeting Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Liz Flynn Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 150 Conflicts to Avoid: Chair conflict: ace acme cfrg cose curdle dots emu gnap i2nsf ipsecme kitten lake lamps mls oauth openpgp privacypass rats sacm secdispatch secevent suit teep tls Technology overlap: dmarc dprive sidrops uta pearg quic opsec Key participant conflict: irtfopen gendispatch dispatch People who must be present: Roman Danyliw Benjamin Kaduk Resources Requested: Special Requests: Normally we ask for Thursday "after lunch", but for the virtual meeting any time on Thursday should be fine. 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