From s010884@com.dtu.dk Mon Sep 1 22:41:03 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28232 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u16P-0000QD-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:41:05 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19ttBw-0004pj-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:14:16 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h81IChgM013273 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from com.dtu.dk (mail.com.dtu.dk [192.38.68.3]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h81ICgPk005625 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:12:43 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 20:11:26 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Thread-Index: AcNws0EDwBaF4mWOSyiKV2pHkPrV5AAALVIQ From: "Lei Zhang" To: "Caitlin Bestler" Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, That's the idea what I want. And it's quite reasonable and = implementable based on my simulation.=20 very happy! Thanks a lot!!! -----Original Message----- From: Caitlin Bestler [mailto:cait@asomi.com] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 8:03 PM To: Lei Zhang Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: RE: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' It is possible for a higher level protocol to have a concept of "endpoints" that are connected to each other and that can then reliably exchange messages. The underlying connection could be a TCP connection or a pair of SCTP streams. This is also a very useful abstraction for encouraging migration to SCTP. The mapping of RDMA over IP to SCTP in the rddp WG assumes this sort of strategy. It could apply to any upper layer protocol that reliably exhcnages a sequence of messages. So if the exisitng TCP adaptation has to waste time putting message delimiters in, then the approach could easily work. With this approach the application is not aware of the SCTP association, just its "Connection" on a pair of streams. It is only applicable if it makes sense to have multiple "connections" between two hosts within a single session. Otherwise, you're into an application specific mapping. If the existing TCP version of the application only uses a single connection then it will be hard to retrofit multiple streams into the SCTP adaptation. -----Original Message----- From: Lei Zhang [mailto:s010884@com.dtu.dk] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:15 AM To: yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: RE: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Hi, yuzhou; Thanks for the reply, actually, there is a ULP process between = Applicatio and SCTP called "tpal" in my simulation (on OPNET). I don't know if I = should only operate the "tpal" layer or reckon the application layer as well. Maybe I didn't explain my question clearly, sorry. If anyone has a experience with OPNET for studying SCTP, could you give = me some instruction? Best Regards Lei From cait@asomi.com Mon Sep 1 22:41:39 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA28444 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u16z-0000Qk-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:41:41 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19tt43-0002y6-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 14:06:07 -0400 Received: from asomi.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2003 11:05:37 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h81I4Oba007495 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from thebe.your-site.com (thebe.your-site.com [140.186.45.26]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h81I4dCt018727 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 11:04:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yourpjfwswxkvr (208-41-143-203.client.dsl.net [208.41.143.203]) by thebe.your-site.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C674244EE4; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 14:03:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Caitlin Bestler" To: "Lei Zhang" Cc: Subject: RE: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:02:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It is possible for a higher level protocol to have a concept of "endpoints" that are connected to each other and that can then reliably exchange messages. The underlying connection could be a TCP connection or a pair of SCTP streams. This is also a very useful abstraction for encouraging migration to SCTP. The mapping of RDMA over IP to SCTP in the rddp WG assumes this sort of strategy. It could apply to any upper layer protocol that reliably exhcnages a sequence of messages. So if the exisitng TCP adaptation has to waste time putting message delimiters in, then the approach could easily work. With this approach the application is not aware of the SCTP association, just its "Connection" on a pair of streams. It is only applicable if it makes sense to have multiple "connections" between two hosts within a single session. Otherwise, you're into an application specific mapping. If the existing TCP version of the application only uses a single connection then it will be hard to retrofit multiple streams into the SCTP adaptation. -----Original Message----- From: Lei Zhang [mailto:s010884@com.dtu.dk] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 6:15 AM To: yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: RE: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Hi, yuzhou; Thanks for the reply, actually, there is a ULP process between Applicatio and SCTP called "tpal" in my simulation (on OPNET). I don't know if I should only operate the "tpal" layer or reckon the application layer as well. Maybe I didn't explain my question clearly, sorry. If anyone has a experience with OPNET for studying SCTP, could you give me some instruction? Best Regards Lei -----Original Message----- From: yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca [mailto:yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:57 PM To: Lei Zhang Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Suggest you to read the interface section of SCTP in RFC2960. Every outgoing msg must indicate a stream number. That is ULP's responsibility. > Hi, friends: > > Here I have a question about those applications using SCTP. > > Like we all know, SCTP includes a key parameter that is a value of > "Outbound Streams". basically this allocation is up to the application. > In most cased only the application has the right knowledge about the > nature and types of its data. > > The question is Application should send a packet with the stream number > which the packet belongs to. Does that means, to implement my > simulation, that I must modify the application layer? otherwise, how is > the application able to send the packet, indicating the stream number.. > > Waiting your reply... > > Regards > > Lei Zhang From yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca Mon Sep 1 22:53:06 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA02698 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:53:06 -0400 (EDT) From: yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u1I4-0003Zl-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:53:09 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19tmPV-0002AP-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 06:59:49 -0400 Received: from ece.ubc.ca (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2003 04:10:46 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h81AwHgM014593 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.ece.ubc.ca (postoffice.ece.ubc.ca [137.82.52.84]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h81AwGZK026938 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:58:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by postoffice.ece.ubc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F19E382CF; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from postoffice.ece.ubc.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (postoffice [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14184-04; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from deliver1.ece.ubc.ca (deliver1.ece.ubc.ca [137.82.52.165]) by postoffice.ece.ubc.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31A7E37FA1; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by deliver1.ece.ubc.ca (Postfix, from userid 33) id 026C7479A9; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 210.51.195.18 (SquirrelMail authenticated user yuzhou) by www.ece.ubc.ca with HTTP; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <33892.210.51.195.18.1062413797.squirrel@www.ece.ubc.ca> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:56:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' To: In-Reply-To: References: X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.7) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis and NOD32 at ece.ubc.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Suggest you to read the interface section of SCTP in RFC2960. Every outgoing msg must indicate a stream number. That is ULP's responsibility. > Hi, friends: > > Here I have a question about those applications using SCTP. > > Like we all know, SCTP includes a key parameter that is a value of > "Outbound Streams". basically this allocation is up to the application. > In most cased only the application has the right knowledge about the > nature and types of its data. > > The question is Application should send a packet with the stream number > which the packet belongs to. Does that means, to implement my > simulation, that I must modify the application layer? otherwise, how is > the application able to send the packet, indicating the stream number.. > > Waiting your reply... > > Regards > > Lei Zhang From s010884@com.dtu.dk Mon Sep 1 22:56:15 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA03630 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u1L7-0004Tt-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:56:18 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19tmgk-0004cz-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 07:17:38 -0400 Received: from com.dtu.dk (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 01 Sep 2003 04:17:07 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h81BFoba010831 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 04:15:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from com.dtu.dk (mail.com.dtu.dk [192.38.68.3]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h81BG9E5009528 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 04:16:10 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 13:14:35 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Thread-Index: AcNwd7z+tMdWs4/YTJKhgSQPTjsQiAAAVOQw From: "Lei Zhang" To: Cc: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, yuzhou; Thanks for the reply, actually, there is a ULP process between = Applicatio and SCTP called "tpal" in my simulation (on OPNET). I don't = know if I should only operate the "tpal" layer or reckon the application = layer as well.=20 Maybe I didn't explain my question clearly, sorry.=20 If anyone has a experience with OPNET for studying SCTP, could you give = me some instruction?=20 Best Regards Lei -----Original Message----- From: yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca [mailto:yuzhou@ece.ubc.ca] Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:57 PM To: Lei Zhang Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: question: 'application adaptation for SCTP' Suggest you to read the interface section of SCTP in RFC2960. Every outgoing msg must indicate a stream number. That is ULP's responsibility. > Hi, friends: > > Here I have a question about those applications using SCTP. > > Like we all know, SCTP includes a key parameter that is a value of > "Outbound Streams". basically this allocation is up to the = application. > In most cased only the application has the right knowledge about the > nature and types of its data. > > The question is Application should send a packet with the stream = number > which the packet belongs to. Does that means, to implement my > simulation, that I must modify the application layer? otherwise, how = is > the application able to send the packet, indicating the stream = number.. > > Waiting your reply... > > Regards > > Lei Zhang From s010884@com.dtu.dk Mon Sep 1 22:57:45 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA04131 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 22:57:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19u1Ma-0004nk-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 22:57:48 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19tlfL-0001dI-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Sep 2003 06:12:07 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (sj-inbound-2.cisco.com [128.107.250.143]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h81AA07b008251 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:10:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from com.dtu.dk (mail.com.dtu.dk [192.38.68.3]) by sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h81A9Xit026196 for ; Mon, 1 Sep 2003 03:09:34 -0700 (PDT) content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: question: "application adaptation for SCTP" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2003 12:08:38 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: question: "application adaptation for SCTP" Thread-Index: AcNwcQN4/WbbtvlyQf6312jGsD7f6w== From: "Lei Zhang" To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, friends: Here I have a question about those applications using SCTP.=20 Like we all know, SCTP includes a key parameter that is a value of = "Outbound Streams". basically this allocation is up to the application. = In most cased only the application has the right knowledge about the = nature and types of its data.=20 The question is Application should send a packet with the stream number = which the packet belongs to. Does that means, to implement my = simulation, that I must modify the application layer? otherwise, how is = the application able to send the packet, indicating the stream number.. Waiting your reply... 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RE / AWARD NOTIFICATION / PROCESSMENT ADVICE: We are pleased to inform you of the announcement today, 3rd september, 2003 = of winners of the SCIENTIFIC GAME PROMO LOTTERY; THE NETHERLANDS / = INTERNATIONAL, PROGRAMS held on 2nd August, 2003. Your email address = attached to ticket number 023-56678230954, with serial number 5073-11 drew = the lucky numbers 7-14-21-42-49-59,batch number 6858/NL and consequently won = the lottery in the 1st category. You have therefore been approved of a lump = sum pay out of EURO 1,200.000.00 (ONE MILLION TWO THOUSAND UNITED EURO) in = credited to file LOTTERY REF NO. SGIL/763276/03. This is from total prize = money of EURO 20,000,000.00 shared among the seventeen international winners = in 1st-3rd categories. All participants were selected through a computer ballot system drawn form = 25,000 company email addresses and 30,000,000 individual email addresses = from Australia, New Zealand, America, Europe, North America and Asia as part = of International Promotions Program, which is conducted annually. CONGRATULATIONS! Your fund is now in custody of a financial Security company insured in your = FILE REFERENCE. Due to the mix up of some numbers and names, we ask that you = keep this award strictly from public notice until your claim has been = processed and your money remitted to your account. This is part of our security protocol to avoid double claiming or = unscrupulous acts by participants of this program. This lottery program was = promoted by our group of philanthropist headed by the netherland government. = We hope with a part of you prize, you will participate in our end of year = high stakes EURO 10,000,000 million International Lottery. To begin your claim, please contact your file/claim officer: MRS ANN ROSS FOREIGN SERVICE MANAGER SPRINT SECURITY BV. AMSTERDAM,NL E.MAIL:annross200@netscape.net TEL/FAX 31 647556091 Please be informed that NON RESIDENCE of THE NETHERLANDS will be required to = make a NON DEDUCTABLE advance payment of processment and legal documentation = charges of 550.00 Euros to enable our legal department acquire Naturalization = papers from the Court prior to award payment policy as required by the = paying Financial Securiry Company. Please be aware that your Paying Authority will Effect Payment Swiftly upon = satisfactory Report, Verifications and validation provided by our processing = Agent; that would be designated to your file. For due processment and = remittance of your winning prize to your designated account of your choice. = Remember, all prize money must be claimed not later than 30th september, = 2003. After this date, all funds will be returned as unclaimed. NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember = to quote your reference and batch numbers in every one of your = correspondences with your agent. Furthermore, should there be any change of your address, do inform your = claims agent as soon as possible. Congratulations once again from our team of staff and thank you for being = part of our promotional program. Note: Anybody under the age of 18 is AUTOMATICALY DISQUALIFIED. 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Vice President, Luckyday International. --b2ae83e9-0c61-4b6b-a8cf-1ab9dd2dcb30-- From mrajpal@hss.hns.com Thu Sep 4 06:17:06 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA08777 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 06:17:06 -0400 (EDT) From: mrajpal@hss.hns.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19urAs-0006yR-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:17:10 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19urAr-0006t5-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 04 Sep 2003 06:17:09 -0400 Received: from hss.hns.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Sep 2003 03:16:38 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h84AG9rJ006191 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:16:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hindon.hss.co.in ([202.54.26.202]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h84AG7RY025938 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 03:16:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ultra.hss.co.in (ultra [192.168.100.5]) by hindon.hss.co.in (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id h849nmv16975 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:19:53 +0530 (IST) Received: from sandesh.hss.hns.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ultra.hss.co.in (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id h849rHN07817 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:23:23 +0530 (IST) Subject: Cookie echo when TCB exists To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 15:16:10 +0530 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Sandesh/HSS(Release 6.0|September 26, 2002) at 04/09/2003 03:15:57 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi, The section 29 of the SCTP Implementer's Guide clarifies: "When both local and remote tags match the endpoint should enter the ESTABLISHED state, if it is in the COOKIE-ECHOED state. It should stop any cookie timer that may be running and send a COOKIE ACK" What is still not clear is when should an implementation respond back with a cookie ack. Should it send a cookie ack only when it was in cookie-echoed state? But it could be the case that cookie ack sent earlier was dropped by the network and this is cookie echo retransmitted by the peer, in which case a cookie ack must be sent even if the current state is established. What should an implementation do if it receives such a cookie echo while shutdown is in progress. Should it reply back with a cookie ack or a shutdown ack or silently discard the packet? regards Manish www.hssworld.com "DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it is intended. 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It should stop any cookie timer that may be running and send a COOKIE ACK" What is still not clear is when should an implementation respond back = with a cookie ack. Should it send a cookie ack only when it was in = cookie-echoed state? But it could be the case that cookie ack sent earlier was dropped = by the network and this is cookie echo retransmitted by the peer, in which case a cookie ack must be sent even if the current state is established. What should an implementation do if it receives such a cookie echo while shutdown is in progress. Should it reply back with a cookie ack or a shutdown ack or silently discard the packet? regards Manish www.hssworld.com "DISCLAIMER: This message is proprietary to Hughes Software Systems = Limited (HSS) and is intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. It may contain privileged or confidential information and should not be circulated or used for any purpose other than for what it = is intended. 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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:36:13 +0800 Message-ID: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E214F@beebe001.china.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzXtq/Qteq3iCjRZKbUv2Wc95nAw== To: Cc: , , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 03:36:13.0602 (UTC) FILETIME=[DB121020:01C3735E] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3735E.DABF9DE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 I have a question about RFC2960. Could you help me? =20 In the section "6.3.3 Handle T3-rtx Expiration" of RFC2960, there are = the following words: =20 Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows (normally when a SACK arrives). =20 What's the meaning of "normally when a SACK arrives"? Must sctp obey = this rule? =20 To my point of view, sctp should send packets as much as CWND allows. =20 Because this rule will block a path. And this rule will cause a big = problem in multi-home situation. =20 Suppose that we two pathes (path A and path B) between endpoint E1 and = endpoint E2 in multi-home situation. =20 If path A was broken and T3-rtx timer expired, a retransmitted packet = will be sent in path B and then path B will be blocked waiting for a = SACK according to this rule. =20 It means that no packets can be sent between E1 and E2 until a SACK is = received or T3-rtx timer expires again. =20 I think this rule will affect the efficiency of SCTP and we should = remove this words. =20 What do you think? =20 Brs, Wei Fusheng ------_=_NextPart_001_01C3735E.DABF9DE8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
I have = a question=20 about RFC2960. Could you help me?
 
In the = section=20 "6.3.3 Handle T3-rtx Expiration" of RFC2960, there are the = following=20 words:
 
   Note: Any = DATA chunks=20 that were sent to the address for which the
   T3-rtx timer = expired=20 but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above),
   should be = marked for=20 retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows
   (normally when a SACK arrives).
 
What's = the meaning=20 of "normally when a SACK arrives"? Must = sctp obey=20 this rule?
 
To my = point of view,=20 sctp should send packets as much as CWND allows.
 
Because this rule=20 will block a path. And this rule will cause a big problem in multi-home=20 situation.
 
Suppose that we two=20 pathes (path A and path B) between endpoint E1 and = endpoint E2 in=20 multi-home situation.
 
If path A=20 was broken and T3-rtx timer expired, a retransmitted packet will be sent = in path=20 B and then path B will be blocked waiting for a SACK = according to=20 this rule.
 
It = means that no=20 packets can be sent between E1 and E2 until a SACK is received or T3-rtx = timer=20 expires again.
 
I = think this rule=20 will affect the efficiency of SCTP and we should remove this=20 words.
 
What = do you=20 think?
 
Brs,
Wei=20 Fusheng
------_=_NextPart_001_01C3735E.DABF9DE8-- From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 01:02:25 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA21251 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:02:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19v8js-0002aQ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:02:28 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19v8jr-0002XB-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 01:02:27 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 04 Sep 2003 22:14:13 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8550jUR020613 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8550enY029757 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:12RqeInQPJnWEBJm30pWdq/N53EB5EMD@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h854uva25921; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:56:57 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h854uvE19166; Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:56:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:56:57 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, Petri.Ovaska@nokia.com, juha-pekka.timperi@nokia.com, xiangguang.che@nokia.com, hui.huang@nokia.com, Dongmei.Zhang@nokia.com, dajiang.zhang@nokia.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030904225657.A18979@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E214F@beebe001.china.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E214F@beebe001.china.nokia.com>; from Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:36:13AM +0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fusheng.Wei, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a question about RFC2960. Could you help me? > > > > In the section "6.3.3 Handle T3-rtx Expiration" of RFC2960, there are > the following words: > > > > Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the > T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), > should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows > (normally when a SACK arrives). > > > > What's the meaning of "normally when a SACK arrives"? Must sctp obey > this rule? Because in rule E1 you set cwnd <- MTU. Becaue of this, for a single homed association, it will take a SACK to increase cwnd and any messages that would not fit in the retransmitted packet will normally have to wait for a SACK. > > > To my point of view, sctp should send packets as much as CWND allows. It does. In this case, in the single-homed case, cwnd is 1 MTU. > > > > Because this rule will block a path. And this rule will cause a big > problem in multi-home situation. Quoted above is a note. E1) is a rule. cwnd <- MTU on T3-rtx expiry. The path is only blocked if there was greater than 1 MTU of data to retransmit. This blocking is a natural consequence of congestion control. > > > > Suppose that we two pathes (path A and path B) between endpoint E1 and > endpoint E2 in multi-home situation. > > > > If path A was broken and T3-rtx timer expired, a retransmitted packet > will be sent in path B and then path B will be blocked waiting for a > SACK according to this rule. No it will not. Rule E1 says you set cwnd <- MTU on path A. This is very clear: E1) For the destination address for which the timer expires, adjust ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ its ssthresh with rules defined in Section 7.2.3 and set the cwnd <- MTU. T3-rtx did not expire to destination B in your example and therefore it might very well have a cwnd > MTU and be allowed to send more data. But as mentioned in the note, typically it will not. This is because while A was used as the primary, B was not carrying traffic and its cwnd should have fallen to 1 MTU under normal conditions anyway. > > > > It means that no packets can be sent between E1 and E2 until a SACK is > received or T3-rtx timer expires again. No it does not. You read too much into a parenthesized comment. > > > > I think this rule will affect the efficiency of SCTP and we should > remove this words. It is not a rule, it is a note. It contains the RFC keywords "should", but only pertaining to sending the outstanding TSN as soon as possible given cwnd consideration which is reasonable. If anything, it says that you SHOULD send all the packets you can on B given its cwnd, which is what you want to do anyway, is it not? --brian > > > > What do you think? > > > > Brs, > > Wei Fusheng -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com Fri Sep 5 03:01:44 2003 Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA06967 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 03:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com Received: from nokia.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 00:13:29 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8570gbe015856 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:00:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8570ubC022608 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 00:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h856nFB19926 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:49:17 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:49:15 +0300 Received: from beebh002.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.28.19.40]) by esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:49:14 +0300 Received: from beebe001.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.28.19.42]) by beebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:48:46 +0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A question about RFC2960. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:48:46 +0800 Message-ID: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E2151@beebe001.china.nokia.com> Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzak8Lp6CbdSGJSaGFBuar0pvXGQACOf+Q To: Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 06:48:46.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[C14CAA90:01C37379] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Thank you for your response. And I reply to you in the following context. Brs, Wei Fusheng -----Original Message----- From: ext Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] Sent: 2003=C4=EA9=D4=C25=C8=D5 12:57 To: Wei Fusheng (NRC/Beijing) Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com; Ovaska Petri (NET/Helsinki); Timperi Juha-Pekka (NET/Helsinki); Che Xiangguang (NRC/Beijing); Huang Hui (NRC/Beijing); Zhang Dongmei (NRC/Beijing); Zhang Dajiang (NRC/Beijing) Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Fusheng.Wei, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I have a question about RFC2960. Could you help me? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> In the section "6.3.3 Handle T3-rtx Expiration" of RFC2960, there = are >> the following words: >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which = the >> T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 = above), >> should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd = allows >> (normally when a SACK arrives). >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> What's the meaning of "normally when a SACK arrives"? Must sctp = obey >> this rule? >Because in rule E1 you set cwnd <- MTU. Becaue of this, for a single = homed >association, it will take a SACK to increase cwnd and any messages that = would >not fit in the retransmitted packet will normally have to wait for a = SACK. Re: I see. But sctp will send a second packet when we do the = implementation. Because: flight_size < CWND So sctp can send more than one packets for a single homed association = in fact. >>=20 >>=20 >> To my point of view, sctp should send packets as much as CWND = allows. >It does. In this case, in the single-homed case, cwnd is 1 MTU. Re:=20 See the words above. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Because this rule will block a path. And this rule will cause a = big >> problem in multi-home situation. >Quoted above is a note. E1) is a rule. cwnd <- MTU on T3-rtx expiry. = The >path is only blocked if there was greater than 1 MTU of data to = retransmit. >This blocking is a natural consequence of congestion control. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Suppose that we two pathes (path A and path B) between endpoint E1 = and >> endpoint E2 in multi-home situation. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> If path A was broken and T3-rtx timer expired, a retransmitted = packet >> will be sent in path B and then path B will be blocked waiting = for a >> SACK according to this rule. >No it will not. Rule E1 says you set cwnd <- MTU on path A. This is = very >clear: > > E1) For the destination address for which the timer expires, adjust > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > its ssthresh with rules defined in Section 7.2.3 and set the = cwnd > <- MTU. > >T3-rtx did not expire to destination B in your example and therefore it = might >very well have a cwnd > MTU and be allowed to send more data. But as >mentioned in the note, typically it will not. This is because while A = was >used as the primary, B was not carrying traffic and its cwnd should = have >fallen to 1 MTU under normal conditions anyway. RE: This the most important part! When T3-rtx timer of path A expired, the CWND of path A will be = 1*MTU,=20 while the CWND of path B is still the initial value 2*MTU but not = 1*MTU as you mentioned above. It is the main reason why I think this rule will affect the = efficiency of SCTP. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> It means that no packets can be sent between E1 and E2 until a = SACK is >> received or T3-rtx timer expires again. >No it does not. You read too much into a parenthesized comment. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I think this rule will affect the efficiency of SCTP and we = should >> remove this words. >It is not a rule, it is a note. It contains the RFC keywords "should", = but >only pertaining to sending the outstanding TSN as soon as possible = given cwnd >consideration which is reasonable. >If anything, it says that you SHOULD send all the packets you can on B = given >its cwnd, which is what you want to do anyway, is it not? RE: OK. Thank you. >--brian >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> What do you think? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Brs, >>=20 >> Wei Fusheng >--=20 >Brian F. G. Bidulock =A6 The reasonable man adapts himself to the = =A6 >bidulock@openss7.org =A6 world; the unreasonable one persists in = =A6 >http://www.openss7.org/ =A6 trying to adapt the world to himself. = =A6 > =A6 Therefore all progress depends on the = =A6 > =A6 unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw = =A6 > From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 04:07:12 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA08722 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 04:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vBcb-0005yD-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:07:09 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vBcB-0005rZ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 04:06:43 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 01:02:04 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8581T8e014464 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:01:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8581kbC020702 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:01:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:0kueP9LiX3XbURwpJO+R9B5+4h4UscuW@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h857wGa28583; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:58:16 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h857wFD20827; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:58:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 01:58:15 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905015815.A20756@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E2151@beebe001.china.nokia.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E2151@beebe001.china.nokia.com>; from Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 02:48:46PM +0800 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fusheng.Wei, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com wrote: > Hi, > > Thank you for your response. > > And I reply to you in the following context. > > Brs, > Wei Fusheng > > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] > Sent: 2003ؤê9شآ5بص 12:57 > To: Wei Fusheng (NRC/Beijing) > Cc: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com; Ovaska Petri (NET/Helsinki); Timperi > Juha-Pekka (NET/Helsinki); Che Xiangguang (NRC/Beijing); Huang Hui > (NRC/Beijing); Zhang Dongmei (NRC/Beijing); Zhang Dajiang (NRC/Beijing) > Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. > > > Fusheng.Wei, > > On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com wrote: > > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> > >> > >> I have a question about RFC2960. Could you help me? > >> > >> > >> > >> In the section "6.3.3 Handle T3-rtx Expiration" of RFC2960, there are > >> the following words: > >> > >> > >> > >> Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the > >> T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), > >> should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows > >> (normally when a SACK arrives). > >> > >> > >> > >> What's the meaning of "normally when a SACK arrives"? Must sctp obey > >> this rule? > > >Because in rule E1 you set cwnd <- MTU. Becaue of this, for a single homed > >association, it will take a SACK to increase cwnd and any messages that would > >not fit in the retransmitted packet will normally have to wait for a SACK. > > Re: > I see. But sctp will send a second packet when we do the implementation. Because: > flight_size < CWND > So sctp can send more than one packets for a single homed association in fact. See implementation guide section 2.7. --brian > > >> > >> > >> To my point of view, sctp should send packets as much as CWND allows. > > >It does. In this case, in the single-homed case, cwnd is 1 MTU. > Re: > See the words above. > > >> > >> > >> > >> Because this rule will block a path. And this rule will cause a big > >> problem in multi-home situation. > > >Quoted above is a note. E1) is a rule. cwnd <- MTU on T3-rtx expiry. The > >path is only blocked if there was greater than 1 MTU of data to retransmit. > >This blocking is a natural consequence of congestion control. > > >> > >> > >> > >> Suppose that we two pathes (path A and path B) between endpoint E1 and > >> endpoint E2 in multi-home situation. > >> > >> > >> > >> If path A was broken and T3-rtx timer expired, a retransmitted packet > >> will be sent in path B and then path B will be blocked waiting for a > >> SACK according to this rule. > > >No it will not. Rule E1 says you set cwnd <- MTU on path A. This is very > >clear: > > > > E1) For the destination address for which the timer expires, adjust > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > its ssthresh with rules defined in Section 7.2.3 and set the cwnd > > <- MTU. > > > >T3-rtx did not expire to destination B in your example and therefore it might > >very well have a cwnd > MTU and be allowed to send more data. But as > >mentioned in the note, typically it will not. This is because while A was > >used as the primary, B was not carrying traffic and its cwnd should have > >fallen to 1 MTU under normal conditions anyway. > > RE: > This the most important part! > When T3-rtx timer of path A expired, the CWND of path A will be 1*MTU, > while the CWND of path B is still the initial value 2*MTU but not 1*MTU > as you mentioned above. > > It is the main reason why I think this rule will affect the efficiency of SCTP. > > >> > >> > >> > >> It means that no packets can be sent between E1 and E2 until a SACK is > >> received or T3-rtx timer expires again. > > >No it does not. You read too much into a parenthesized comment. > > >> > >> > >> > >> I think this rule will affect the efficiency of SCTP and we should > >> remove this words. > > >It is not a rule, it is a note. It contains the RFC keywords "should", but > >only pertaining to sending the outstanding TSN as soon as possible given cwnd > >consideration which is reasonable. > > >If anything, it says that you SHOULD send all the packets you can on B given > >its cwnd, which is what you want to do anyway, is it not? > > RE: OK. Thank you. > > >--brian > > > >> > >> > >> > >> What do you think? > >> > >> > >> > >> Brs, > >> > >> Wei Fusheng > > >-- > >Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > >bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > >http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ > > -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Fri Sep 5 08:31:11 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17251 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vFkA-00041h-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:31:14 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vFk0-00040T-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 08:31:04 -0400 Received: from nokia.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 05:30:03 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85CT7tn020801 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:29:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com (mgw-x4.nokia.com [131.228.20.27]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85CTLYC013964 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 05:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir04nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.36]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h85CHd416094 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:17:41 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:17:39 +0300 Received: from esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.58]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:17:38 +0300 Received: from esebe022.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.113]) by esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:17:37 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A question about RFC2960. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 15:17:37 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzhgJl0mvel+DzSUWn5I8bTYuUgwAIE9kQ To: , Cc: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 12:17:37.0964 (UTC) FILETIME=[B200DEC0:01C373A7] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all! > > >Because in rule E1 you set cwnd <- MTU. Becaue of this,=20 > for a single homed > > >association, it will take a SACK to increase cwnd and any=20 > messages that would > > >not fit in the retransmitted packet will normally have to=20 > wait for a SACK. > >=20 > > Re: > > I see. But sctp will send a second packet when we do the=20 > implementation. Because: > > flight_size < CWND > > So sctp can send more than one packets for a single=20 > homed association in fact. >=20 > See implementation guide section 2.7. Actually in think that section 2.7 states what Wei is saying. An idle address will have its cwnd set to 2*MTU, so you could send = couple of packets. However, you are limited to one only... In fact there is another problem. When you send a DATA chunk you only = count as being on flight (MTU - IP Header Length - SCTP Header Length - = DATA Chunk Header Length). So even if your cwnd is set to 1*MTU you can = in theory have always at least two full packets in flight, thanks to = what 2.7 in the Implementer's Guide says. I think we have already spoken about this issue, and the general = thought was that, as you don't really know how "separate" are your = "different" paths (they might have much in common as they come from and = go to the same physical destinations), you better send a single packet, = since both paths might be sharing the congested router... But I'm with Wei here: as you won't normally send much packets to the = secondary address (only those that were in flight when T3 expired), = removing this rule of a single packet only after T3 expiration, can in = fact halve the recovery time after a T3 expiration... I don't know which = can be the damage, though... :-/ BR Iv=E1n Arias Rodr=EDguez From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 09:34:30 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA20959 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vGjS-0000MG-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:34:34 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vGjR-0000H7-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:34:33 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 06:33:58 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85DX3be019179 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85DXJfi019320 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:33:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:vGW/knvsndctd8i+yNnxmkGaxqqqF5ZJ@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h85DTpa02779; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:29:51 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85DTp624826; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:29:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:29:51 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Cc: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905072950.A24809@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 03:17:37PM +0300 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > Hi all! > > > > >Because in rule E1 you set cwnd <- MTU. Becaue of this, > > for a single homed > > > >association, it will take a SACK to increase cwnd and any > > messages that would > > > >not fit in the retransmitted packet will normally have to > > wait for a SACK. > > > > > > Re: > > > I see. But sctp will send a second packet when we do the > > implementation. Because: > > > flight_size < CWND > > > So sctp can send more than one packets for a single > > homed association in fact. > > > > See implementation guide section 2.7. > > Actually in think that section 2.7 states what Wei is saying. > > An idle address will have its cwnd set to 2*MTU, so you could send > couple of packets. However, you are limited to one only... Where does it say that? E1, E2 and E3 allow you to send as soon as cwnd permits (which is immediately in the multiple homed case). > > In fact there is another problem. When you send a DATA chunk you only > count as being on flight (MTU - IP Header Length - SCTP Header Length > - DATA Chunk Header Length). So even if your cwnd is set to 1*MTU you > can in theory have always at least two full packets in flight, thanks > to what 2.7 in the Implementer's Guide says. > > I think we have already spoken about this issue, and the general > thought was that, as you don't really know how "separate" are your > "different" paths (they might have much in common as they come from > and go to the same physical destinations), you better send a single > packet, since both paths might be sharing the congested router... > > But I'm with Wei here: as you won't normally send much packets to the > secondary address (only those that were in flight when T3 expired), > removing this rule of a single packet only after T3 expiration, can in > fact halve the recovery time after a T3 expiration... I don't know > which can be the damage, though... :-/ What single packet rule? There is no single packet rule in the RFC. That was my point in highlighting 2.7. --brian > > BR Ivلn Arias Rodrيguez -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Fri Sep 5 09:57:11 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA22860 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:57:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vH5Q-0002uF-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:57:16 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vH5B-0002oR-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 09:57:01 -0400 Received: from nokia.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 07:08:50 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85Du4UR024647 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com (mgw-x4.nokia.com [131.228.20.27]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85DuKAm027709 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 06:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esvir03nok.nokia.com (esvir03nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.35]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h85DiR414665 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:44:33 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir03nok.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:44:26 +0300 Received: from esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.58]) by esebh003.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:44:26 +0300 Received: from esebe022.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.113]) by esebe019.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:44:26 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A question about RFC2960. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 16:44:25 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzsj0TmecGsVE1SGGizliue4kvYwAAKO4w To: Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 13:44:26.0351 (UTC) FILETIME=[D271A7F0:01C373B3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > An idle address will have its cwnd set to 2*MTU, so you=20 > could send > > couple of packets. However, you are limited to one only... >=20 > Where does it say that? E1, E2 and E3 allow you to send as=20 > soon as cwnd > permits (which is immediately in the multiple homed case). I might be missing something, but I think that section 6.3 has always = been quite clear in this respect. E3) says that you take all the chunks = that fit in a single packet and you retransmit those packets. Anywhere = else it says that you can send a second (or more) packet. It explicitly = says "in a single packet". The Note later also leaves it clear: the chunks that did not fit in = that single packet that you sent will be sent later. So I suppose you = send only one. I don't know how could you understand section 6.3.3 otherwise, but I = admit I could have been always missing something... :-/ > > In fact there is another problem. When you send a DATA=20 > chunk you only > > count as being on flight (MTU - IP Header Length - SCTP=20 > Header Length > > - DATA Chunk Header Length). So even if your cwnd is=20 > set to 1*MTU you > > can in theory have always at least two full packets in=20 > flight, thanks > > to what 2.7 in the Implementer's Guide says. > >=20 > > I think we have already spoken about this issue, and the general > > thought was that, as you don't really know how=20 > "separate" are your > > "different" paths (they might have much in common as=20 > they come from > > and go to the same physical destinations), you better=20 > send a single > > packet, since both paths might be sharing the congested=20 > router... > >=20 > > But I'm with Wei here: as you won't normally send much=20 > packets to the > > secondary address (only those that were in flight when=20 > T3 expired), > > removing this rule of a single packet only after T3=20 > expiration, can in > > fact halve the recovery time after a T3 expiration... I=20 > don't know > > which can be the damage, though... :-/ >=20 > What single packet rule? There is no single packet rule in the RFC. It looks like a rule to me... See above. > That was my point in highlighting 2.7. But section 2.7 of the IG does not refer to the T3 expiration case. I = don't think it is related with section 6.3.3 of the RFC. Section 6.3.3 = implicitly (or quite explicitly I would say) states that you don't = follow the cwnd/flight size rule and that you only send one packet. BR Iv=E1n Arias Rodr=EDguez > --brian >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > BR Iv=E1n Arias Rodr=EDguez >=20 > --=20 > Brian F. G. Bidulock =A6 The reasonable man adapts himself to the = =A6 > bidulock@openss7.org =A6 world; the unreasonable one persists in = =A6 > http://www.openss7.org/ =A6 trying to adapt the world to himself. = =A6 > =A6 Therefore all progress depends on the = =A6 > =A6 unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw = =A6 >=20 From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 10:38:17 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA26971 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 10:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vHjC-0007H4-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:38:22 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vHjB-0007DJ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 10:38:21 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 07:50:10 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85EbRAw027401 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85EbhAm013098 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 07:37:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:l3fdypesfHgUJaR769+YLMKC9Eo7Jt03@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h85EYDa03943; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:34:13 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85EYDt25811; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:34:13 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:34:12 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Cc: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905083412.E24809@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 04:44:25PM +0300 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > > An idle address will have its cwnd set to 2*MTU, so you > > could send > > > couple of packets. However, you are limited to one only... > > > > Where does it say that? E1, E2 and E3 allow you to send as > > soon as cwnd > > permits (which is immediately in the multiple homed case). > > I might be missing something, but I think that section 6.3 has always > been quite clear in this respect. E3) says that you take all the > chunks that fit in a single packet and you retransmit those packets. > Anywhere else it says that you can send a second (or more) packet. It > explicitly says "in a single packet". > > The Note later also leaves it clear: the chunks that did not fit in > that single packet that you sent will be sent later. So I suppose you > send only one. Not later -- when cwnd allows. Which in the multihomed case is immediately. But in the single-homed case, typically after a SACK. > > I don't know how could you understand section 6.3.3 otherwise, but I > admit I could have been always missing something... :-/ > > > > In fact there is another problem. When you send a DATA > > chunk you only > > > count as being on flight (MTU - IP Header Length - SCTP > > Header Length > > > - DATA Chunk Header Length). So even if your cwnd is > > set to 1*MTU you > > > can in theory have always at least two full packets in > > flight, thanks > > > to what 2.7 in the Implementer's Guide says. > > > > > > I think we have already spoken about this issue, and the general > > > thought was that, as you don't really know how > > "separate" are your > > > "different" paths (they might have much in common as > > they come from > > > and go to the same physical destinations), you better > > send a single > > > packet, since both paths might be sharing the congested > > router... > > > > > > But I'm with Wei here: as you won't normally send much > > packets to the > > > secondary address (only those that were in flight when > > T3 expired), > > > removing this rule of a single packet only after T3 > > expiration, can in > > > fact halve the recovery time after a T3 expiration... I > > don't know > > > which can be the damage, though... :-/ > > > > What single packet rule? There is no single packet rule in the RFC. > > It looks like a rule to me... See above. Above where? Where is the text that say I cannot use the cwnd from the other desintation on a multi-homed connection? I don't see it anywhere. If anything the note says that you SHOULD send these TSNs as soon as CWND allows, which for the other destination is immediately. > > > That was my point in highlighting 2.7. > > But section 2.7 of the IG does not refer to the T3 expiration case. I > don't think it is related with section 6.3.3 of the RFC. Section 6.3.3 > implicitly (or quite explicitly I would say) states that you don't > follow the cwnd/flight size rule and that you only send one packet. Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (normally when a SACK arrives). Because CWND allows on Destination B, they SHOULD be sent immediately. --brian > > BR Ivلn Arias Rodrيguez > > > --brian > > > > > > > > > > BR Ivلn Arias Rodrيguez > > > > -- > > Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > > bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > > http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ > > -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 11:02:17 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28735 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vI6Q-00042I-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:02:22 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vI6Q-0003ux-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:02:22 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85F1Gtn004954 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85F1NAm008513 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:QOq03dzoSQPDkwlcO+EDcUoaeWv7hSa7@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h85Evta04323; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:57:55 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85Evsm26133; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:57:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:57:54 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Cc: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905085754.A26103@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 05:53:26PM +0300 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > > > Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the > > T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), > > should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows > > XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > (normally when a SACK arrives). > > > > Because CWND allows on Destination B, they SHOULD be sent immediately. > > But if the meaning is "sent as much as cwnd allows" and not "send only THW interpretation, that is what it SAYS. > a datagram now, and the rest later", the note doesn't make any sense, > because you are ALWAYS able to have at least two datagrams in flight > and thus you can always send at least 2*MTU bytes (little bit less in > fact)... Just the embarrasing correction in IG 2.7. > > By the way, the note says "that were sent to the address for which the > T3-rtx timer expired". I'm not sure if this is correct, since it takes > for granted that you retransmit the chunks to the same address, which > is wrong if you are not single-homed... Well, they must have been sent to the address for which T3-rtx expired in the first place, otherwise the timer would not have tolled for them... --brian > > BR Ivلn Arias Rodrيguez -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Fri Sep 5 11:05:42 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA28942 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vI9i-0004hw-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:05:46 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vI9i-0004ef-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:05:46 -0400 Received: from nokia.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 08:05:16 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85F4ttn008945 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:04:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com (mgw-x1.nokia.com [131.228.20.21]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85F5Afi025946 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h85ErSB00306 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:53:28 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:53:27 +0300 Received: from esebe004.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.44]) by esebh002.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:53:28 +0300 Received: from esebe022.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.113]) by esebe004.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:53:27 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A question about RFC2960. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 17:53:26 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzuzsHDCTVDFyYQl6aHTQFXCSTxAAABuqg To: Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 14:53:27.0441 (UTC) FILETIME=[76B9D810:01C373BD] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > I might be missing something, but I think that section=20 > 6.3 has always > > been quite clear in this respect. E3) says that you take all the > > chunks that fit in a single packet and you retransmit=20 > those packets. > > Anywhere else it says that you can send a second (or=20 > more) packet. It > > explicitly says "in a single packet". > >=20 > > The Note later also leaves it clear: the chunks that=20 > did not fit in > > that single packet that you sent will be sent later. So=20 > I suppose you > > send only one. >=20 > Not later -- when cwnd allows. Which in the multihomed case=20 > is immediately. > But in the single-homed case, typically after a SACK. I'm not sure that this was the original intention of E3). At least I = have always understood it the other way... In any case, even if you are single home you are always able to send at = least two packets, since you never send one MTU worth of user data in a = single datagram... > > I don't know how could you understand section 6.3.3=20 > otherwise, but I > > admit I could have been always missing something... :-/ > >=20 > > > > In fact there is another problem. When you send a DATA=20 > > > chunk you only > > > > count as being on flight (MTU - IP Header Length - SCTP=20 > > > Header Length > > > > - DATA Chunk Header Length). So even if your cwnd is=20 > > > set to 1*MTU you > > > > can in theory have always at least two full packets in=20 > > > flight, thanks > > > > to what 2.7 in the Implementer's Guide says. > > > >=20 > > > > I think we have already spoken about this=20 > issue, and the general > > > > thought was that, as you don't really know how=20 > > > "separate" are your > > > > "different" paths (they might have much in common as=20 > > > they come from > > > > and go to the same physical destinations), you better=20 > > > send a single > > > > packet, since both paths might be sharing the congested=20 > > > router... > > > >=20 > > > > But I'm with Wei here: as you won't normally send much=20 > > > packets to the > > > > secondary address (only those that were in flight when=20 > > > T3 expired), > > > > removing this rule of a single packet only after T3=20 > > > expiration, can in > > > > fact halve the recovery time after a T3 expiration... I=20 > > > don't know > > > > which can be the damage, though... :-/ > > >=20 > > > What single packet rule? There is no single packet rule=20 > in the RFC. > >=20 > > It looks like a rule to me... See above. >=20 > Above where? Where is the text that say I cannot use the=20 > cwnd from the > other desintation on a multi-homed connection? I don't see=20 > it anywhere. > If anything the note says that you SHOULD send these TSNs as=20 > soon as CWND > allows, which for the other destination is immediately. I would like to hear more opinions on this, but what I understand is = that you send only one packet. Otherwise, why explaining that you have to send one datagram? I think = that if the idea was simply "send as much as you can" you wouldn't = explicitly state that you have to send one datagram after the T3 = expiration... that would only cause confusion... > > > That was my point in highlighting 2.7. > >=20 > > But section 2.7 of the IG does not refer to the T3=20 > expiration case. I > > don't think it is related with section 6.3.3 of the=20 > RFC. Section 6.3.3 > > implicitly (or quite explicitly I would say) states=20 > that you don't > > follow the cwnd/flight size rule and that you only send=20 > one packet. >=20 > Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the > T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), > should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows > XXXXXX XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > (normally when a SACK arrives). > =20 > Because CWND allows on Destination B, they SHOULD be sent immediately. But if the meaning is "sent as much as cwnd allows" and not "send only = a datagram now, and the rest later", the note doesn't make any sense, = because you are ALWAYS able to have at least two datagrams in flight and = thus you can always send at least 2*MTU bytes (little bit less in = fact)... By the way, the note says "that were sent to the address for which the = T3-rtx timer expired". I'm not sure if this is correct, since it takes = for granted that you retransmit the chunks to the same address, which is = wrong if you are not single-homed... BR Iv=E1n Arias Rodr=EDguez From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 11:14:29 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29761 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIIE-0005ef-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:14:34 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIID-0005bQ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:14:33 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 08:14:03 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85FDgAw004921 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85FDe95015038 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:13:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:gMZ2GDjPrKn2NKLUJhKr4v7m8EjWiFNq@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h85FASa04660; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:10:28 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85FASG26567; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:10:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:10:28 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Cc: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905091028.A26528@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 05:53:26PM +0300 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > Otherwise, why explaining that you have to send one datagram? I think > that if the idea was simply "send as much as you can" you wouldn't > explicitly state that you have to send one datagram after the T3 > expiration... that would only cause confusion... No more confusion that neglecting to mention in the document that one can slop over the MTU. Thus the embarassment of IG 2.7. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 11:18:45 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00204 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIMM-0006AM-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:18:50 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIML-000676-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:18:49 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 08:30:38 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85FHtAw009171 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:17:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85FHo95019586 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:Kub/FszW/ZHjoTx9/dgd6pAuXwDtbcRg@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h85FEYa04767; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:14:34 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85FEYB26699; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:14:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:14:34 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Cc: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905091434.B26528@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 06:09:59PM +0300 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > THW interpretation, that is what it SAYS. > > I don't know what THW means :-( To H*ll With. > > Just the embarrasing correction in IG 2.7. > > No, 2.7 is not there because of that. It is there to leave clear that > you can have CWnd + MTU - 1 bytes in flight. Yes, even after T3-rtx expiry. Embarrassing, isn't it? -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Fri Sep 5 11:22:13 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00489 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIPi-0006X5-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:22:18 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIPh-0006Tr-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:22:17 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85FLV8e017061 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com (mgw-x4.nokia.com [131.228.20.27]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85FLffi014506 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir04nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.36]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h85FA1402824 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:10:02 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir04nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:10:01 +0300 Received: from esebe008.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.48]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:10:01 +0300 Received: from esebe022.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.113]) by esebe008.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:10:00 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A question about RFC2960. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:09:59 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzvo2bK6UvN5auTg2Qjn7SU2eBCwAAB5Kw To: Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 15:10:00.0616 (UTC) FILETIME=[C6B45280:01C373BF] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > >=20 > > > Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address=20 > for which the > > > T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule=20 > E3 above), > > > should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon=20 > as cwnd allows > > > XXXXXX =20 > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX > > > (normally when a SACK arrives). > > > =20 > > > Because CWND allows on Destination B, they SHOULD be sent=20 > immediately. > >=20 > > But if the meaning is "sent as much as cwnd allows" and=20 > not "send only >=20 > THW interpretation, that is what it SAYS. I don't know what THW means :-( Maybe, if I'm not the only thinking as I do, or you are not the only = one thinking as you do, this section might need a clarification... :-/ > > a datagram now, and the rest later", the note doesn't=20 > make any sense, > > because you are ALWAYS able to have at least two=20 > datagrams in flight > > and thus you can always send at least 2*MTU bytes=20 > (little bit less in > > fact)... >=20 > Just the embarrasing correction in IG 2.7. No, 2.7 is not there because of that. It is there to leave clear that = you can have CWnd + MTU - 1 bytes in flight. If the user messages have different sizes and they don't exactly fit = the MTU (i.e., the CWnd) then you must send more than CWnd or you will = never increase it. It is not a correction, is a clarification... And, why is it = embarrassing? > > By the way, the note says "that were sent to the=20 > address for which the > > T3-rtx timer expired". I'm not sure if this is correct,=20 > since it takes > > for granted that you retransmit the chunks to the same=20 > address, which > > is wrong if you are not single-homed... >=20 > Well, they must have been sent to the address for which=20 > T3-rtx expired in the > first place, otherwise the timer would not have tolled for them... Sorry. I understood "DATA chunks that were sent" as the ones included = in that packet sent right after T3 expiration. My mistake here. BR Iv=E1n Arias Rodr=EDguez From Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Fri Sep 5 11:24:56 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA00635 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:24:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vISL-0006oD-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:25:01 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vISK-0006l5-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:25:00 -0400 Received: from nokia.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 08:36:50 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85FO4be029109 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:24:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-x4.nokia.com (mgw-x4.nokia.com [131.228.20.27]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85FOJfi017287 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:24:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from esvir03nok.nokia.com (esvir03nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.35]) by mgw-x4.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.6) with ESMTP id h85FK8411238 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:20:09 +0300 (EET DST) Received: from esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir03nok.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:20:08 +0300 Received: from esebh005.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.86]) by esebh001.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:20:07 +0300 Received: from esebe013.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.52]) by esebh005.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:20:06 +0300 Received: from esebe022.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.113]) by esebe013.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6139); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:20:06 +0300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6375.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: A question about RFC2960. Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 18:20:06 +0300 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: A question about RFC2960. Thread-Index: AcNzwEpPvqquvhP/Qz6YZcOOT1BLYgAAEhEg To: Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Sep 2003 15:20:06.0686 (UTC) FILETIME=[2FF343E0:01C373C1] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ay, Brian, you always so lovely and positive... B) At any given time, the sender MUST NOT transmit new data to a given transport address if it has cwnd or more bytes of data outstanding to that transport address. I don't see here anything that says that you cannot exceed the MTU. It = says "don't send more if you have already cwnd or more bytes", not that = you are not able to slop over the MTU... Obviously, if there is a = possibility of having "cwnd *or more* bytes", that's because you are = able to slop over the MTU... You probably understood it in the right way from the beginning, but as = people happened to ask about this, that's why the IG tries to leave it = clearer... Whatever... Iv=E1n Arias Rodr=EDguez > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Brian F. G. Bidulock [mailto:bidulock@openss7.org] > Sent: Friday, 05 September, 2003 18:10 > To: Arias-Rodriguez Ivan (NRC/Helsinki) > Cc: Wei Fusheng (NRC/Beijing); sctp-impl@external.cisco.com > Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. >=20 >=20 > Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, >=20 > On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: >=20 > > Otherwise, why explaining that you have to send one=20 > datagram? I think > > that if the idea was simply "send as much as you can"=20 > you wouldn't > > explicitly state that you have to send one datagram after the T3 > > expiration... that would only cause confusion... >=20 > No more confusion that neglecting to mention in the document that > one can slop over the MTU. Thus the embarassment of IG 2.7. >=20 > --brian >=20 > --=20 > Brian F. G. Bidulock =A6 The reasonable man adapts himself to the = =A6 > bidulock@openss7.org =A6 world; the unreasonable one persists in = =A6 > http://www.openss7.org/ =A6 trying to adapt the world to himself. = =A6 > =A6 Therefore all progress depends on the = =A6 > =A6 unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw = =A6 >=20 From bidulock@openss7.org Fri Sep 5 11:37:05 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01466 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 11:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIe6-0000Jj-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:37:10 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19vIe4-0000GJ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 05 Sep 2003 11:37:09 -0400 Received: from openss7.org (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Sep 2003 08:36:38 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (sj-inbound-2.cisco.com [128.107.250.143]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h85FaDUR023804 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gw.openss7.com (gw.openss7.com [142.179.199.224]) by sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h85FZlli025507 for ; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 08:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ns.pigworks.openss7.net (IDENT:Yge9fQ1FMjenp/UsZ5ilH5nVsKmr7Nm8@ns1.evil.openss7.net [192.168.9.1]) by gw.openss7.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h85FX2a05189; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:33:02 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h85FX1K27091; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:33:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:33:01 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com Cc: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030905093301.C26528@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com on Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 06:20:06PM +0300 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > Ay, Brian, you always so lovely and positive... > > B) At any given time, the sender MUST NOT transmit new data to a > given transport address if it has cwnd or more bytes of data > outstanding to that transport address. > > I don't see here anything that says that you cannot exceed the MTU. It > says "don't send more if you have already cwnd or more bytes", not > that you are not able to slop over the MTU... Obviously, if there is a > possibility of having "cwnd *or more* bytes", that's because you are > able to slop over the MTU... You can have "cwnd or more" without slopping over MTU: e.g. MTU falls from PMTU discovery and you still have data outstanding... So the above does not necessitate any slopping at all. > > You probably understood it in the right way from the beginning, but as > people happened to ask about this, that's why the IG tries to leave it > clearer... An embarrasing correction indeed. --brian -- Brian F. G. 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From rrs@cisco.com Mon Sep 8 08:58:55 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA16756 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 08:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wLbg-0001yE-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:59:00 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wLbg-0001tv-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:59:00 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2003 06:11:09 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h88CvJS4016779; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (dhcp-64-102-41-180.cisco.com [64.102.41.180]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALV40216; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 05:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F5C7CB0.8090809@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 07:57:20 -0500 From: "Randall Stewart (cisco)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bidulock@openss7.org CC: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. References: <20030905085754.A26103@openss7.org> In-Reply-To: <20030905085754.A26103@openss7.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > >Just the embarrasing correction in IG 2.7. > > > Just a quick comment on the above while I read this whole thread before responding to it. ... 2.7 was NOT a "embarrasing correction"... the "slop" over the congestion window was ALWAYS in the document.. MANY implementations were written this way... at least 4 that I can think of.. BUT some did not bother to read the sentence so we decided to spell it out a bit clearer.. thats all. R -- Randall R. Stewart ITD Cisco Systems Inc. rrs@cisco.com 815-342-5222(cell) or 815-477-2127(office) From rrs@cisco.com Mon Sep 8 09:01:47 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA16937 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wLeS-0002Mj-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:01:53 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wLeS-0002Ie-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:01:52 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2003 06:14:02 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h88D0US4019452; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (dhcp-64-102-41-180.cisco.com [64.102.41.180]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALV40393; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:00:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F5C7D6F.6010607@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:00:31 -0500 From: "Randall Stewart (cisco)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bidulock@openss7.org CC: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. References: <20030905091028.A26528@openss7.org> In-Reply-To: <20030905091028.A26528@openss7.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: >Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, > >On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > > >> Otherwise, why explaining that you have to send one datagram? I think >> that if the idea was simply "send as much as you can" you wouldn't >> explicitly state that you have to send one datagram after the T3 >> expiration... that would only cause confusion... >> >> > >No more confusion that neglecting to mention in the document that >one can slop over the MTU. Thus the embarassment of IG 2.7. > >--brian > > > The original RFC states: " B) At any given time, the sender MUST NOT transmit new data to a given transport address if it has cwnd or more bytes of data outstanding to that transport address. " i.e. if (flightsize > cwnd) no-more-sending it does NOT state if (flightsize >= cwnd) no-more-sending Which is what some number .. 2 or 3 .. implementations were doing.. Now in reading the RFC (B above) I don't see how one could get the second equation.. but some were.. this is why the clearification was put in... some folks just needed to have it spelled out for them.. R -- Randall R. Stewart ITD Cisco Systems Inc. rrs@cisco.com 815-342-5222(cell) or 815-477-2127(office) From rrs@cisco.com Mon Sep 8 09:19:11 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA17760 for ; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 09:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wLvJ-0004MI-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:19:17 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19wLvI-0004LS-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 08 Sep 2003 09:19:16 -0400 Received: from cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 08 Sep 2003 06:18:44 -0700 Received: from mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com [171.71.163.17]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h88DICS4004387; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:18:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cisco.com (dhcp-64-102-41-180.cisco.com [64.102.41.180]) by mira-sjc5-c.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALV41321; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 06:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3F5C8194.9000708@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2003 08:18:12 -0500 From: "Randall Stewart (cisco)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; en-US; rv:1.3b) Gecko/20030323 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com CC: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com, Petri.Ovaska@nokia.com, juha-pekka.timperi@nokia.com, xiangguang.che@nokia.com, hui.huang@nokia.com, Dongmei.Zhang@nokia.com, dajiang.zhang@nokia.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. References: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E214F@beebe001.china.nokia.com> In-Reply-To: <8AE4923BB4DAF3448FBAA1F3261EF2B00E214F@beebe001.china.nokia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, after reading through this thread.. and realizing things are degrading into something else :-0 I will answer this and ignore the other noise... I have said enough on it :> Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com wrote: > Hi, > > I have a question about RFC2960. Could you help me? > > In the section "6.3.3 Handle T3-rtx Expiration" of RFC2960, there are > the following words: > > Note: Any DATA chunks that were sent to the address for which the > T3-rtx timer expired but did not fit in one MTU (rule E3 above), > should be marked for retransmission and sent as soon as cwnd allows > (normally when a SACK arrives). > > What's the meaning of "normally when a SACK arrives"? Must sctp obey > this rule? As pointed out the above is NOT a rule... it is informative.. If you are singly-homed you send one packet out... and the next event that will get anything out the door is a SACK.. that is the point of the () Now in a multi-homed situation.. yes you still only send 1 packet out to the alternate.. and as Ivan as said this may mean you don't send 2 packets (where most likely the alternate is parked at aka the initial 2 MTU's on the destination)... Now in the above case.. aka multi-homed.. any oppurtunity to send would be probably a better choice of wording.. so if .. 1) The user did another send call.. you might send more 2) The peer sent in a HB.. you might send more or 3) A sack arrives.. When Vern wrote this section I know we went back through it a couple of times to try to "non-singly home it" but we were not always sucessful .. so maybe the words should not say "normally a SACK" but instead "next oppurtunity to send" .. but on the other hand.. it does not rule out sending in case 1/2 above... and if you are singly homed.. you can't send anyway .. most likely (as Brian correctly points out since your MTU has collapsed). Now whats behind all this??? The idea is to limit what is sent even though the paths may be completely diverse which in the big-I is not as likely as say a private network. So it is probably the correct conservative thing to do.. Now after saying all that I want to make a note.. that I just realized... and no I don't think we should do anything about what I am about to say... There is NO MUST in doing 6.3.3. For that matter the "SHOULD" Brian pointed out is in lower case.. which means it is not even a key word. So since there is no MUST or SHOULD one does not have to follow these rules at all.. I am not advising this.. since I do think these rules are the right thing to do... So for the Ivan and others that want to send the full cwnd's worth of retranmissions (if there are that many) to the alternate destination.. there is no violation of the RFC to do this... You may be causing trouble for yourself... but you would discover that anyway if the two paths have a shared bottleneck that is congested... aka both destinations will soon be in a 1MTU locked state.. R > > To my point of view, sctp should send packets as much as CWND allows. > > Because this rule will block a path. And this rule will cause a big > problem in multi-home situation. > > Suppose that we two pathes (path A and path B) between endpoint E1 and > endpoint E2 in multi-home situation. > > If path A was broken and T3-rtx timer expired, a retransmitted packet > will be sent in path B and then path B will be blocked waiting for a > SACK according to this rule. > > It means that no packets can be sent between E1 and E2 until a SACK is > received or T3-rtx timer expires again. > > I think this rule will affect the efficiency of SCTP and we should > remove this words. > > What do you think? > > Brs, > Wei Fusheng -- Randall R. 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Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:11:58 -0600 Received: (from brian@localhost) by ns.pigworks.openss7.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h88JBvk02187; Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:11:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2003 13:11:57 -0600 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: "Randall Stewart (cisco)" Cc: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. Message-ID: <20030908131157.A2139@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: <20030905091028.A26528@openss7.org> <3F5C7D6F.6010607@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <3F5C7D6F.6010607@cisco.com>; from rrs@cisco.com on Mon, Sep 08, 2003 at 08:00:31AM -0500 Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ Dsn-Notification-To: Return-Receipt-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Randall, On Mon, 08 Sep 2003, Randall Stewart (cisco) wrote: > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > >Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, > > > >On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > > > > > > >> Otherwise, why explaining that you have to send one datagram? I think > >> that if the idea was simply "send as much as you can" you wouldn't > >> explicitly state that you have to send one datagram after the T3 > >> expiration... that would only cause confusion... > >> > >> > > > >No more confusion that neglecting to mention in the document that > >one can slop over the MTU. Thus the embarassment of IG 2.7. > > > >--brian > > > > > > > The original RFC states: > " > B) At any given time, the sender MUST NOT transmit new data to a > given transport address if it has cwnd or more bytes of data ^^^^^^^^^^^^ >= cwnd > outstanding to that transport address. > " > > i.e. > > if (flightsize > cwnd) > no-more-sending > > it does NOT state > > if (flightsize >= cwnd) > no-more-sending Don't you have that backwards? --brian > > Which is what some number .. 2 or 3 .. implementations were doing.. > > Now in reading the RFC (B above) I don't see how one could get the > second equation.. but some were.. this is why the clearification was put > in... some > folks just needed to have it spelled out for them.. > > R > > > > -- > Randall R. Stewart > ITD > Cisco Systems Inc. > rrs@cisco.com 815-342-5222(cell) or 815-477-2127(office) > -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From fofana.ibrahim@laposte.net Thu Sep 11 06:36:30 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA17505 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:36:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xOoT-0007gr-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:36:33 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19xOoS-0007gZ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:36:33 -0400 Received: from laposte.net (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Sep 2003 03:49:21 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8BAYUXq015067 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.laposte.net (mx.laposte.net [213.30.181.11]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8BAYVo4014117 for ; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 03:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from laposte.net (10.150.9.77) by mx.laposte.net (6.0.053) id 3F48B0F5004EC225; Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:30:44 +0200 Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 12:30:44 +0200 Message-Id: Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:your_contact?= MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sensitivity: 3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?fofana.ibrahim@laposte.net?=" To: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?fofana.ibrahim?=" X-XaM3-API-Version: 3.2 R29 (B54 pl1) X-type: 0 X-SenderIP: 193.220.188.167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D=0A=0D=0A MR FOFANA IBRAHIM=0D=0A HOTEL KENVILLAGE=0D=0A MACORY ABIDJA= N=0D=0A TELE 0022507663185.=0D=0A =0D=0A Attn.=0D=0A=0D=0AI know that thi= s mail will come to you as a surprised since we have seen each other befo= re , but i know that after our praying you will not betray the turst i we= about to repose on you.i and my mother MRS AISHA IBRAHIM are look for a = good investor that will help us invest my late father fund who was killed= by rebal of our country LIBERIA in morovia on the 10th of Aug 2003 the d= ay before the former president fly out of the country the rebals accuse h= im of adding the former goverment of CHARLES TAYLOR after his death we ra= n down to abidjan with his bank account details where he deposited the su= m of $18.3 MILLION USD for security reasons .=0D=0A i and mother needs yo= ur assistance to help us to invest this fund into a profitable venture in= your country like real estate and gas stations .=0D=0A we have concluded= to conpersate with the sum of $2.3 million usd for your assistance for p= roviding the bank account where this fund will be transfer to ,and the re= maning will is for the investment which you will cover us as the director= since we are not citizen of your country . =0D=0A after the reply of thi= s mail we will forward to you all the bank particulers for you to call th= e the bank and verified the account as our foriegn partner and ask the to= make the transfer to your nomitated bank account.=0D=0A my mother will l= ike to speak with you before handing over to you this our security to you= for security reasons.=0D=0A hoping to hear from you aurgently.=0D=0A i h= ope with the bank procedur here in ivory coast it will only take the bank= 7 working days to complite the transfer to your account.=0D=0A thanks=0D= =0A MR FOFANA IBRAHIM=0D=0A MRS AISHA IBRAHIM=0D=0A =0A=0AAcc=E9dez au co= urrier =E9lectronique de La Poste : www.laposte.net ; =0A3615 LAPOSTENET = (0,34=80/mn) ; t=E9l : 08 92 68 13 50 (0,34=80/mn)=0A=0A From henry@go.com Sat Sep 13 01:45:11 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA29053 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19y3Df-0001pV-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:45:15 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19y3De-0001pH-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 01:45:14 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (sj-inbound-2.cisco.com [128.107.250.143]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8D5hTdP007702 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:43:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from go1144.com ([81.199.84.107]) by sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8D5gvaD013180 for ; Fri, 12 Sep 2003 22:43:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309130543.h8D5gvaD013180@sj-inbound-2.cisco.com> From: "Henry Winndu." To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: henry_winndu@katamail.com Subject: Hello Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:42:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="81bf5e66-096f-45ea-a16e-cacf2c14d5f4" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --81bf5e66-096f-45ea-a16e-cacf2c14d5f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable URGENT NEED. I am Henry Winndu, an Aide of Ex President Charles Taylor. As you may know he has recently stepped down from power and is presently in assylum in Nigeria. The purpose of my letter is to ask if you can render the assistance requested and to bring to bear my present position and the very need for true and solicited help with respect to Ex President Taylor. Your assistance is needed in the sense that some funds derived from Diamond sales during his tenure needs to be transferred/moved from its present location to a place or an account that you may hopefully provide or arrange. The reason for this is that plans are underway to confiscate not only his known fixed assets but also liquid assets. I have been mandated to seek and find a relaible person, based overseas, that is disposed in helping to secure some or all of the funds in question. If you are that person, do respond to this letter. Otherwise no offence meant. Sincerely yours, Henry Winndu. --81bf5e66-096f-45ea-a16e-cacf2c14d5f4-- From mougata2002@netscape.net Sat Sep 13 07:41:43 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA16546 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19y8mi-0003Zf-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:41:48 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19y8mi-0003Zb-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 07:41:48 -0400 Received: from netscape.net (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 13 Sep 2003 04:41:17 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8DBcVbs022758 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape767.com ([62.58.168.62]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8DBcho0010496 for ; Sat, 13 Sep 2003 04:38:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309131138.h8DBcho0010496@sj-inbound-4.cisco.com> From: baniru mbabayo To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: banirumbabayo@netscape.net Subject: HELP ME PLEASE. Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2003 13:35:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="9ba23986-249a-4e36-9a3a-24f2d3abb6af" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --9ba23986-249a-4e36-9a3a-24f2d3abb6af Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable SOLICITING FOR A BUSINESS VENTURE AND PARTNERSHIP Dear sir, First and foremost, I apologize for using this medium to communicate a = business proposal of this magnitude this is solely because of the = confidentiality nature repose on the net; before I go on further, I must be = grateful to introduce myself. My name is Mr. baniru mbabayo a Liberian. I was = formerly the chief campaign manager to Mr. Charles Taylor the president of = liberia and I was also a personal aid to the Minister of trade in the depose = administration of Mr. Charles Taylor. Due to my position and closeness with = the President, I absconded with Seventeen.Five Million United States Dollars = (US$17.5M) which was part of the money that was initially meant for = campaigning for President Charles Taylor re-election into office before the = recent crisis that led to his depose from office. Presently I have been able to move the funds diplomatically to a Security = Company in the Netherlands where I now reside as refugee; and I do not have = the intention of returning home for fear of being assassinated by members of = the opposition party to Mr.Charles Taylor under whose administration I = served. MY REQUEST As a result of my present situation as a refugee who cannot have access to = own an account or accounts, I am therefore faced with the dilemma of seeking = for a trustworthy individual/firm that can advice me in making the rightful = investment as well as to provide account(s) where the funds will be lodge = into. More also, we are at the interim interested in buying properties for = residence as my family and I will be residing there in the near future. = Please be aware that my family are also in a safe location and I am in = contact with them. COMMISSION/REMUNERATION As regards your commission/remuneration, I and my immediate family have = decided to offer you 20% of the total sum and also set aside 5% for all your = expenses (i.e telephone bills, traveling expenses, hotel bills and other = miscellaneous expenses).NOTE: I shall commit half of my own share of the = total sum into a joint venture project preferably in the purchase of Real = Estate or other profitable business venture within your knowledge existing in = your area. Be assured that you stand no risk of any kind as the funds in question belong = to me alone. As soon as I get your consent, I will furnish you with the = details and contact of the Security company and after a few more details have = being communicated, we shall then proceed to arrange for a face to face = meeting in order to know each other better and also discuss the terms and = conditions of the partnership extensively.I strongly believe that associating = with you to embark on this and other business ventures will derive a huge = success hereafter and it will be a long lasting business association. If you = have any question, do not fail to contact me with this e-mail address = banirumbabayo@netscape.net. I await your anticipated co-operation. Yours truly, Mr.BANIRU MBABAYO. --9ba23986-249a-4e36-9a3a-24f2d3abb6af-- From molala20@hotmail.com Mon Sep 15 04:05:31 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA16529 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yoMY-0007mM-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:05:34 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yoMY-0007jS-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 04:05:34 -0400 Received: from hotmail.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2003 01:19:19 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8F83tdP012184 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:03:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay9-f17.bay9.hotmail.com [64.4.47.17]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8F84FZU006612 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:04:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 01:02:34 -0700 Received: from 196.25.253.13 by by9fd.bay9.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 08:02:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [196.25.253.13] X-Originating-Email: [molala20@hotmail.com] From: "HENRY MOLALA" To: molala20@hotmail.com Subject: APPEAL FOR ASSISTANCE Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:02:33 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Sep 2003 08:02:34.0080 (UTC) FILETIME=[B84EFE00:01C37B5F] 20 BOTHA CRESCENT, SANDTON, JOHANNESBURG, SOUTH AFRICA. PHONE: 27-83-46-76-111. FAX: 27-73-199-6412. he0834676111_2@yahoo.com ATTN.MD/CEO, APPEAL FOR ASSISTANCE With due respect trust and humility, it is my pleasure appealing for your assistance at this point in time. I am HENRY MOLALA the eldest son of Dr. Sam MOLALA, who was recently murdered with other whites in the land dispute violence in Zimbabwe this year. In my keen interest to invest in your country. I got your contact through the South African Information Exchange (S.A.I.E) here in Johannesburg, South Africa and decided to write for an ssistance. My late father was among the few black-Zimbabwean rich farmers murdered in cold blood by the killer-squad of the ruling party Zimbabwean Government of President Robert Mugabe on the 6th of June 2002, for his alleged support and sympathy for the opposition party controlled by the whites and this crisis and cold blood-murdered reports. Before his death, he had taken me to Johannesburg to deposit the Sum of US$18,500 000.00 (Eighteen Million Five Hundred Thousand United States Dollars) with a Security and Finance Company for safekeeping as if he foresaw the looming danger that could erupt from the farm struggle in Zimbabwe. This money was deposited in a box as a consignment labelled ''FAMILY TRASURE'' with the Security Company. This frame of mind was inform as not to allow the company management have the knowledge of the real content of the box for obvious security reasons. This money was earmarked for the purchase of machines and agro-chemicals for the farms and the establishment of new farm settlements in Lesotho and Swaziland. This land problem arose when President Robert Mugabe introduced a new land acts the called (LAND EVICTION ORDER) which wholly affected the rich white farmers and some objective blacks vehemently condemned the modus operandi adopted by the government. This resulted to forceful ejection of whites from their lands, rampant Killings, arson and mob actions by the war veterans and some political thugs. Precisely, more than one hundred and seven (107) people have been killed and many others maimed for life in the past, and up till now, BBC and CNN have reported of more killings in the farmland violence. Heads of government from the western world, especially Britain and the United States of America have voiced their condemnation over Mugabe's obnoxious land acts. Subsequently, the Southern African development Community (S.A.D.I) has continuously supported Mugabe's new land reform Acts. It is against this background that my family and I who are currently staying in South Africa have decided to transfer this money out of South Africa into a trusted foreign account. As the eldest son of my late father, I am saddled with the responsibility of seeking a genuine foreign account where this money could be transferred to, without the knowledge of Zimbabwean government who have tactically frozen my family's wealth. Secondly, my mother is presently sick of heart disease and the need to fly out for a medical operation on her is very important, but how can we fly without this fund. Presently, we are residing temporarily in Johannesburg pending the outcome of an appeal filed on our behalf by our attorney for the department of Home Affairs to grant us asylum status. At the moment we are in dilemma to the fiscal laws inhibiting South African Refugees on monetary policy. We request that this proposal should be granted so that we can be able to transfer this money to your nominated account outside South Africa for investment purpose. As a businessman whom I wish to entrust my future and that of my family in his hands, I must let you know that this transaction is 100% risk free as far as you keep it secret. The modalities to this transfer are ready with the help of a banker (who has been assisting us)here in South African, who by his help we have finished all the arrangement, the way this money should be transferred easily. But the problem we are facing is how to get an honest and responsible person that can keep this money safe and stand as the beneficiary. I have two options, firstly you can choose to have certain percentage of the money for nominating your account for this transaction, or you can go into partnership with me for proper profitable investment of the money in your country. Whichever the option you want, feel free to notify me. I have also mapped out 5% of this money for all kinds of expenses that might be incured in the process of this transaction. If you do not prefer a partnership, I am willing to give you 20% of the total money, while 75% will be for my family. If you are really capable and willing to assist me I am looking forward with a view to hearing from you soonest. Regards Mr. Henry Molala. _________________________________________________________________ Unsatisfied with being single? Try MSN Personals http://www.msn.co.za/personals/ From al_hamzar@hknetmail.com Mon Sep 15 13:56:31 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15552 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:56:31 -0400 (EDT) From: al_hamzar@hknetmail.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yxaW-00037v-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:56:36 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yxaW-00037E-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:56:36 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8FHsudP009496 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNET-3 ([81.18.42.34]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8FHsjvR021179 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309151755.h8FHsjvR021179@sj-inbound-4.cisco.com> Subject: FROM AL_HAMZAR (ACT URGENTLY) To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Reply-To: al_hamzar@hknetmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 18:58:21 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.3-B X-Mailer: Foxmail Dear Sir, ACT ACCORDINGLY AND PRIVATELY I am Al_hamzar Abubakar the bills and exchange director at First Bank Plc, I am writing this letter to solicit for support and assistance from you to carry out this business opportunity in my department.Lying in an inactive account awaiting liquidation is the sum of us$16.7million belonging to a foreign customer(Mr Bernard Scott) who happens to be deceased. He died with his wife and two children in a plane crash on board the EAS BAC 111-500 flight which crashed at the recent Lagos/kano plane crash at kano Nigeria 05/05/2002. See links below for more detail informaion: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1968300.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1969904.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1972430.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1968616.stm Ever since he died the bank has been expecting his next of kin to come and claim these fund, the NDIC could not liquidate the account because I have filled a motion that a next of kin wrote in to the effect. To this effect, they can not release the money unless someone applies for it as next of kin, as indicated in our banking guideline. Unfortunately he has no family member in Nigeria or Europe who are aware of the existence of the money(as he was a contractor with the federal Republic of Nigeria). At this juncture i have decided to do business with you in collaboration with officials that matter in the bank, to this effect we solicit your assistance in applying as the next of kin then the money will be released to you. As we do not want this money to go into the bank treasury as an unclaimed bill.The banking law and guideline stipulates that if such money(s) remains unclaimed for a period of up to Five years(5yrs) the money will be transferred into the banks treasury as an unclaimed bill. Our request for a foreigner as next of kin is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a Beninoise cannot stand as next of kin. To effect the immediate transfer of the fund to you as agreed, you must apply first to the bank as the next of kin to the decease, then we will follow up all formalities for the transaction. Note that this transaction is legal safe and 100% risk free and all modalities has been worked out for a successful transaction and all legal formalities have also been perfected. Upon receipt of your reply which should be sent to al_hamzar@hknetmail.com for confidential reason,i will send to you by fax or mail the text of the application, as soon as you receive the text i will further clarify you in other issues as to affect the business. Await to hear from you Best Regards Al_hamzar Abubakar From al_hamzar@hknetmail.com Mon Sep 15 14:20:00 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA16773 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:20:00 -0400 (EDT) From: al_hamzar@hknetmail.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yxxF-0003bd-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:20:05 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19yxxE-0003aS-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 14:20:04 -0400 Received: from hknetmail.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2003 11:19:34 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8FIIpS4019115 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DNET-3 ([81.18.42.34]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8FIIlBU000860 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 11:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309151818.h8FIIlBU000860@sj-inbound-3.cisco.com> Subject: FROM AL_HAMZAR (ACT URGENTLY) To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Reply-To: al_hamzar@hknetmail.com Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 19:22:23 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-Library: Indy 9.0.3-B X-Mailer: Foxmail Dear Sir, ACT ACCORDINGLY AND PRIVATELY I am Al_hamzar Abubakar the bills and exchange director at First Bank Plc, I am writing this letter to solicit for support and assistance from you to carry out this business opportunity in my department.Lying in an inactive account awaiting liquidation is the sum of us$16.7million belonging to a foreign customer(Mr Bernard Scott) who happens to be deceased. He died with his wife and two children in a plane crash on board the EAS BAC 111-500 flight which crashed at the recent Lagos/kano plane crash at kano Nigeria 05/05/2002. See links below for more detail informaion: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1968300.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1969904.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1972430.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1968616.stm Ever since he died the bank has been expecting his next of kin to come and claim these fund, the NDIC could not liquidate the account because I have filled a motion that a next of kin wrote in to the effect. To this effect, they can not release the money unless someone applies for it as next of kin, as indicated in our banking guideline. Unfortunately he has no family member in Nigeria or Europe who are aware of the existence of the money(as he was a contractor with the federal Republic of Nigeria). At this juncture i have decided to do business with you in collaboration with officials that matter in the bank, to this effect we solicit your assistance in applying as the next of kin then the money will be released to you. As we do not want this money to go into the bank treasury as an unclaimed bill.The banking law and guideline stipulates that if such money(s) remains unclaimed for a period of up to Five years(5yrs) the money will be transferred into the banks treasury as an unclaimed bill. Our request for a foreigner as next of kin is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a Beninoise cannot stand as next of kin. To effect the immediate transfer of the fund to you as agreed, you must apply first to the bank as the next of kin to the decease, then we will follow up all formalities for the transaction. Note that this transaction is legal safe and 100% risk free and all modalities has been worked out for a successful transaction and all legal formalities have also been perfected. Upon receipt of your reply which should be sent to al_hamzar@hknetmail.com for confidential reason,i will send to you by fax or mail the text of the application, as soon as you receive the text i will further clarify you in other issues as to affect the business. Await to hear from you Best Regards Al_hamzar Abubakar From frankoye11@netscape.net Mon Sep 15 16:02:08 2003 Received: from sj-iport-2.cisco.com (sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com [171.71.176.71]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23660 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 16:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netscape.net (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Sep 2003 13:16:21 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8FK17S4006710 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:01:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape420.com (ip503c20af.speed.planet.nl [80.60.32.175]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8FK0tBT005634 for ; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309152001.h8FK0tBT005634@sj-inbound-3.cisco.com> From: FRANK OYE To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: frankoye11@netscape.net Subject: FORM FRANK OYE Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 22:01:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="6753343d-ead6-4ee1-a19b-b7bfcb8261dd" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --6753343d-ead6-4ee1-a19b-b7bfcb8261dd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ATTN:FRIEND I PRESUME THIS MAIL WILL NOT BE A SURPRISE TO YOU. I AM AN ACCOUNTANT WITH THE MINISTRY OF MINERAL RESOURCES AND ENERGY IN SOUTH AFRICA AND ALSO A MEMBER OF CONTRACTS AWARDING COMMITTEE OF THIS MINISTRY UNDER SOUTH AFRICA GOVERNMENT. MANY YEARS AGO, SOUTH AFRICA GOVERNMENT ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO AWARDS CONTRACTS TO FOREIGN FIRMS, WHICH I AND 2 OF MY PARTNERS ARE THE LEADER OF THIS COMMITTEE, WITH OUR GOOD POSITION , THIS CONTRACRS WAS OVER INVOICED TO THE TUNE OF US$18,500,000:00 AS A DEAL TO BE BENEFIT BY THE THREE TOP MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE. NOW THE CONTRACTS VALUE HAS BEEN PAID OFF TO THE CTUAL CONTRACTORS = THAT EXECUTED THIS JOBS, ALL WE WANT NOW IS A TRUSTED FOREIGN PARTNER LIKE = YOU THAT WE SHALL FRONT WITH HIS BANKING ACCOUNT NUMBER TO CLAIM THE OVER = INFLATED SUM. UPON OUR AGREEMEENT TO CARRY ON THIS TRANSACTION WITH YOU, THE SAID FUND WILL BE SHARE AS FOLLOWS. 75% WILL BE FOR US IN SOUTH AFRICA. 20% FOR USING YOUR ACCOUNT AND OTHER CONTRIBUTION THAT MIGHT REQIURED FROM YOU. 5% IS SET ASIDE FOR THE UP FRONT EXPENCES THAT WILL BE ENCOUNTER BY BOTH PARTY TO GET ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND FORMARLITIES THAT WILL JUSTIFY YOU AS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF THIS FUND. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TRANSACTION, KINDLY REPLY THIS MASSEGE WITH ALL YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS, OR MAIL ME THROUGH() TO ENABLE US FURNISH YOU WITH DETAILS AND PROCEDURES OF THIS TRANSACTION. YOURS FAITHFULLY. 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Congratulations once again from all members of our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program and publication Yours sincerely, Dr.Brown Mike (promotion manager). --8ce2243c-fb8d-4f20-b184-2156cac9efd7-- From Qiaobing.Xie@motorola.com Wed Sep 17 14:28:48 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22845 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19zh2s-0001v2-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:28:54 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19zh2s-0001ug-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 14:28:54 -0400 Received: from motorola.com (171.71.177.238) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 17 Sep 2003 11:25:06 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8HIRht5020853 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from motgate3.mot.com (motgate3.mot.com [144.189.100.103]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8HIRh0p010854 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:27:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from az33exr04.mot.com (az33exr04.mot.com [10.64.251.234]) by motgate3.mot.com (Motorola/Motgate3) with ESMTP id h8HIGJG0026136; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 11:16:19 -0700 (MST) Received: from motorola.com (d1421-0a1070d5.cig.mot.com [10.16.112.213]) by az33exr04.mot.com (Motorola/az33exr04) with ESMTP id h8HIGFqa032651; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: <3F68A4E9.C3C98EB9@motorola.com> Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:16:09 -0500 From: Qiaobing Xie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.8 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bidulock@openss7.org CC: Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com, Fusheng.Wei@nokia.com, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: A question about RFC2960. References: <20030905093301.C26528@openss7.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, guys, I just read through this thread. Firstly let me say that I think both views are correct and reasonable and there is no need to argue over this. Here is why: The spirit of that particular aspect of the design is very simple: when the sender senses (by seeing a recent T3 expiration) that a path may be congested, it will retrans only a single packet to that path. Why not more than one? because the likelihood of losing another packet on that path is now high (learn by experience principle) and if the sender foolishly retrans, say, 10 tiny packets to the path, even it is within the cwnd limit and unlikely to do harm to the network, if all the 10 packets subsequently get lost, the sender will have a hell of time to clean up the mess created by itself. So, for singly-homed association, not to retrans >1 packet after T3 exp is just a smart thing for the sender to do. Now things become a little fuzzy with a multi-homed association, because there is no guarantee for path diversity as we all well understand. If you are optimistic and assume multi-homed likely means multi-path, then you probably will agree with Brian and send another packet to an alternate addr. If you are more conservative minded and not assume multi-path, then you probably will agree with Ivan and Wei, and will only still retrans a single packet. regards, -Qiaobing "Brian F. G. Bidulock" wrote: > > Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez, > > On Fri, 05 Sep 2003, Ivan.Arias-Rodriguez@nokia.com wrote: > > > Ay, Brian, you always so lovely and positive... > > > > B) At any given time, the sender MUST NOT transmit new data to a > > given transport address if it has cwnd or more bytes of data > > outstanding to that transport address. > > > > I don't see here anything that says that you cannot exceed the MTU. It > > says "don't send more if you have already cwnd or more bytes", not > > that you are not able to slop over the MTU... Obviously, if there is a > > possibility of having "cwnd *or more* bytes", that's because you are > > able to slop over the MTU... > > You can have "cwnd or more" without slopping over MTU: e.g. MTU falls from > PMTU discovery and you still have data outstanding... > > So the above does not necessitate any slopping at all. > > > > > You probably understood it in the right way from the beginning, but as > > people happened to ask about this, that's why the IG tries to leave it > > clearer... > > An embarrasing correction indeed. > > --brian > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From frankoye11@netscape.net Wed Sep 17 16:38:05 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA28276 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19zj40-0003AH-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:38:12 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19zj40-00039Q-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 16:38:12 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8HKaGZg001674 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:36:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape1190.com (ip503c20af.speed.planet.nl [80.60.32.175]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8HKaZgU003050 for ; Wed, 17 Sep 2003 13:36:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309172036.h8HKaZgU003050@sj-inbound-1.cisco.com> From: FRANK OYE To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: frankoye11@netscape.net Subject: URGENT Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 22:36:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="aae68fc0-e874-4fc3-b3f0-b7b993349a83" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --aae68fc0-e874-4fc3-b3f0-b7b993349a83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ATTN:FRIEND I PRESUME THIS MAIL WILL NOT BE A SURPRISE TO YOU. I AM AN ACCOUNTANT WITH THE MINISTRY OF MINERAL RESOURCES AND ENERGY IN SOUTH AFRICA AND ALSO A MEMBER OF CONTRACTS AWARDING COMMITTEE OF THIS MINISTRY UNDER SOUTH AFRICA GOVERNMENT. MANY YEARS AGO, SOUTH AFRICA GOVERNMENT ASKED THIS COMMITTEE TO AWARDS CONTRACTS TO FOREIGN FIRMS, WHICH I AND 2 OF MY PARTNERS ARE THE LEADER OF THIS COMMITTEE, WITH OUR GOOD POSITION , THIS CONTRACRS WAS OVER INVOICED TO THE TUNE OF US$18,500,000:00 AS A DEAL TO BE BENEFIT BY THE THREE TOP MEMBER OF THIS COMMITTEE. NOW THE CONTRACTS VALUE HAS BEEN PAID OFF TO THE CTUAL CONTRACTORS THAT EXECUTED THIS JOBS, ALL WE WANT NOW IS A TRUSTED FOREIGN PARTNER LIKE YOU THAT WE SHALL FRONT WITH HIS BANKING ACCOUNT NUMBER TO CLAIM THE OVER INFLATED SUM. UPON OUR AGREEMEENT TO CARRY ON THIS TRANSACTION WITH YOU, THE SAID FUND WILL BE SHARE AS FOLLOWS. 75% WILL BE FOR US IN SOUTH AFRICA. 20% FOR USING YOUR ACCOUNT AND OTHER CONTRIBUTION THAT MIGHT REQIURED FROM YOU. 5% IS SET ASIDE FOR THE UP FRONT EXPENCES THAT WILL BE ENCOUNTER BY BOTH PARTY TO GET ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS AND FORMARLITIES THAT WILL JUSTIFY YOU AS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF THIS FUND. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN THIS TRANSACTION, KINDLY REPLY THIS MASSEGE WITH ALL YOUR PHONE AND FAX NUMBERS, OR MAIL ME THROUGH() TO ENABLE US FURNISH YOU WITH DETAILS AND PROCEDURES OF THIS TRANSACTION. YOURS FAITHFULLY. 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--21323fd6-5501-4c72-bf28-e44ff6287bba-- From barrythomas2007@netscape.net Mon Sep 22 03:35:05 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA04455 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:35:05 -0400 (EDT) From: barrythomas2007@netscape.net Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1LDz-0003gO-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:35:11 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1LDo-0003fY-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 03:35:00 -0400 Received: from netscape.net (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Sep 2003 00:31:25 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (sj-inbound-2.cisco.com [128.107.250.143]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8M7WRwn003526 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tdb.teda.tj.cn ([202.99.99.135]) by sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8M7VlAT012057 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 00:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309220731.h8M7VlAT012057@sj-inbound-2.cisco.com> Received: from smtp0492.mail.yahoo.com (61.144.70.23 [61.144.70.23]) by tdb.teda.tj.cn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id SYBV8GWM; Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:34:35 +0800 Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 07:25:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: REPLY Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FROM:BARRY THOMAS REPLY TO:barrythomas1961@netscape.net URGENT ASSISTANCE YOU MAY BE SURPRISE TO RECIEVE THIS LETTER FROM ME SINCE YOU DO NOT KNOW ME PERSONALLY. THE PURPOSE OF INTRODUCTION IS THAT I AM BARRY THOMAS. THE FIRST SON OF DR. IMADE THOMAS WHO WAS RECENTLY MURDERED IN THE LAND DISPUTE IN ZIMBABWE. I WAS FURNISHED WTH VIABLE INFORMATION FROM THE WORLD TRADE CENTRE HERE IN AMSTERDAM-HOLLAND AND DECIDED TO WRITE YOU. BEFORE THE DEATH OF MY FATHER, HE HAD TAKEN ME TO AMSTERDAM TO DEPOSIT THE SUM OF SIXTEEN MILLION DOLLARS(16.000,000.00) IN A SECURITY COMPANY, AS IF HE FORSAW THE LOOMING DANGER IN ZIMBABWE. THIS MONEY WAS DEPOSITED IN A BOX AS GEMSTONES TO AVOID MUCH DEMURRAGE FROM THE SECURITY COMPANY. THIS AMOUT WAS MENT FOR PURCHASE OF NEW MACHINES AND CHEMICALS FOR THE FARMS AND ESTABLISHMENT OF A NEW SWAZILAND. THE LAND PROBLEM CAME WHEN ZIMBABWE PRESIDENT MR. ROBERT MUGABE, INTRODUCED A NEW LAND ACT THAT WHOLLY AFFECTED WHITE RICH FARMERS AND SOME FEW BLACK FARMERS. THIS RESULTED TO THE KILLING AND MOB ACTION BY ZIMBABWE WAR VETERANS AND SOME LUNATICTS IN THE SOCIETY. INFACT, A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED BECAUSE OF THIS LAND REFORM ACT OF WHICH MY FATHER WAS ONE OF VICTIMS. IT IS AGAINST THIS BACKGROUND THAT MY FAMILY AND I WHO ARE CURRENTLY STAYING IN AMSTERDAM HAVE DECIDED TO TRANSFER MY FATHER’S MONEY TO A FOREIGN ACCOUNT SINCE THE NETHERLANDS PROHIBIT A REFUGEE (ASYLUM SEEKER) TO OPEN ANY ACCOUNT OR TO BE INVOLVED IN ANY FINANCIAL TRANSACTION AS THE ELDEST SON OF MY FATHER, I AM SADDLED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SEEKING A GENUINE FOREIGN ACCOUNT WHERE THIS MONEY COULD BE TRANSFERRED WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE OF MY GOVERNMENT WHO ARE BENT ON TAKING EVERYTHING WE HAVE GOT. THE NETHERLANDS GOVERNMENT SEEMS TO BE PLAYING ABOUT WITH THEM. I AM FACED WITH THE DILEMMA OF INVESTING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE NETHERLANDS FOR THE FEAR OF GOING THROUGH THE SAME EXPERIENCE IN FUTURE SINCE BOTH COUNTRIES HAVE SIMILAR HISTORY. MORE OVER, THE NETHERLANDS FOREIGN EXCHANGE POLICY DOES NOT ALLOW SUCH INVESTMENT FROM ASSYLUM SEEKERS. AS A BUSINESS MAN, WHOM I HAVE INTRUSTED MY FUTURE AN MY FAMILY IN HIS HANDS, I MUST LET YOU KNOW THAT THE TRANSACTION IS RIKS FREE. IF YOU ACCEPT TO ASSIST ME AND MY FAMILY, ALL I NEED YOU TO DO FOR ME IS TO MAKE ARRANGEMENT AND COME TO AMSTERDAM-HOLLAND, SO THAT YOU CAN OPEN THE NON-RESIDENT ACCOUNT WHICH WILL AID US IN TRANSFERING THE MONEY INTO ANY ACCONT YOU WILL NOMINATE OVERSEAS. THIS MONEY I INTEND TO USE FOR INVESTMENT. I HAVE OPTIONS TO OFFER YOU, FIRST YOU CAN CHOOSE TO HAVE CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THE MONEY FOR NOMINATING YOUR ACCOUNT FOR THE TRANSACTION, OR YOU CAN GO INTO PARTNERSHIP WITH ME FOR A PROPER PROFITABLE INVESTMENT OF THE MONEY IN YOUR COUNTRY WHICH OPTION YOU CHOOSE, FEEL FREE TO NOTIFY ME. I HAVE MAPPED OUT 5% OF THIS MONEY FOR ALL EXPENSES INCURRED IN PROCESSING THIS TRANSACTION. IF YOU DO NOT PREFER A PARTNERSHIP, I AM WILLING TO GIVE YOU 25% OF THIS MONEY WHILE THE REMAINING 70% WILL BE FOR IN VESTMENT IN YOUR COUNTRY. PLEASE CONTACT ME IMMIADIATELY ON THE ABOVE TELEPHONE OR EMAIL. IN OTHER FOR US TO DISCUSS FURTHER ON THIS TRANSACTION. MAY THE ALMIGHTY LORD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SINCERELY, MR. BARRY THOMAS From yomi7031@masrawy.com Mon Sep 22 10:51:44 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18748 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1S2U-00002K-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:51:46 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1S2K-0007nm-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 10:51:36 -0400 Received: from masrawy.com (171.68.223.138) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Sep 2003 07:48:35 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-4.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8MEjqxW007915 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:45:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Masrawy.com (mail.masrawy.com [213.131.64.127]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8MEkDE7027424 for ; Mon, 22 Sep 2003 07:46:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <3F6F1772.03448@masrawymail> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 17:38:26 +0200 (Egypt Standard Time) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "Yomi Coker" To: yomi7031@masrawy.com Subject: I need your assistance. X-Originating-IP: [81.23.193.84] X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Masrawy Web Mailer V 1.7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Compliment of the day to you. I am Mr Yomi Coker, an Auditor attached with Auditor General of the Federation. I have the mandate of my colleagues to reach out to you for an urgent help believing you will be capable to handle the business at hand, though we have not met. We are members of the Audit Panel that audited Central Bank Of Nigeria this financial year. During the course of job, we found out that an approved contractual payment of Twenty Six Million, Four Hundred Thousand United State Dollars(US$26,400,000 ) has been lying unclaimed in the past two years.We further learnt that the payment could not be effected because the beneficiary, Engr. Eric Cole,a contractor to NNPC died in April, 1997 in an auto crash while payment approval was under process. In fact, it is of utmost importance to note that the late Engr. Eric Cole did not fill the Payment Schedule Form neither did he sign the Fund Release Order before the unfortunate death, as such, payment could not be made. So, after studing the circumstances surrounding the unclaimed funds, we then consulted the head of Foreign Payment Department of C.B.N whose office is in charge of the file and we all resolved to secure the trapped fund out of Nigeria for the benefit of us all. And to successfully secure this fund out , we need a foreign helper who will act or be presented as the NEXT OF KIN to the late contractor. It is to this end that i am making this contact. What is required of you to start off is your full name and postal address to enable us obtain a Sworn Affidavit on your name as the NEXT OF KIN to late Eric Cole from our Federal Magistrate High Court Of Justice. By so doing, you will be legally and officially empowered to file for claims as the true Next Of Kin. Please note that we have perfected all arrangement to see that this business is completed safely. It is 100% risk free but demends utmost sincerity and confidentiality. Please endeavour to indicate your phone and fax numbers for easy communication. Your share for assisting will be let known to you on receipt of your urgent and favourable reply. Best regards. Mr Yomi Coker ____________________________________________________ الآن .. أقوى إنترنت مجاني .. و في كل محافظات مصر .. أطلب 07070101 أو ضغط على http://s2.masrawy.com/r.cfm?i=336 مصراوى .. خدمات أقوى .. كل يوم From support@crescendo.ltd.uk Tue Sep 23 20:08:26 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA13859 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1xCp-00013K-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:08:31 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1xCo-000139-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 20:08:30 -0400 Received: from crescendo.ltd.uk (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Sep 2003 17:05:51 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (sj-inbound-1.cisco.com [128.107.250.142]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8O06gwn011974 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 195-74-115-110.dial.entanet.co.uk (195-74-115-110.dial.entanet.co.uk [195.74.115.110]) by sj-inbound-1.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8O072P8012653 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 17:07:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309240007.h8O072P8012653@sj-inbound-1.cisco.com> From: "Crescendo Support Team" To: Subject: Crescendo Ltd Mailing List Cleanup Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 01:06:34 +0100 Reply-To: "Crescendo Support Team" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Hello, First, let me apologise if you have received this email in error; we are in the process of cleaning our mailing lists in preparation for the implementation of the European directive on privacy and electronic communications, trying to identify the people who wish to receive information and those who don't. 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Kind regards, The Support Team From hmseseko@tiscali.co.uk Tue Sep 23 21:37:46 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA17503 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:37:46 -0400 (EDT) From: hmseseko@tiscali.co.uk Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1ybI-0002IZ-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:37:52 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A1ybH-0002HP-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:37:51 -0400 Received: from tiscali.co.uk (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Sep 2003 18:39:46 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8O1agwn020090 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:36:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.40]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.8p1/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8O1b52r022250 for ; Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:37:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.74.114.4] (helo=mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A1yUZ-0006RN-9M; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:30:55 +0100 Received: from [192.116.88.78] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Wed, 24 Sep 2003 02:30:52 +0100 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:30:52 -0700 Message-ID: <3F69DE04000126C3@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Subject: FROM MR HENRY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From sduggire@csee.usf.edu Thu Sep 25 13:53:49 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA09620 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2aJL-0002kb-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:53:51 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A2aJK-0002jh-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:53:50 -0400 Received: from csee.usf.edu (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Sep 2003 10:56:20 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (sj-inbound-2.cisco.com [128.107.250.143]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8PHqkwn012454 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from babbage.csee.usf.edu (babbage.csee.usf.edu [131.247.3.2]) by sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8PHq3x5018322 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 10:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grad.csee.usf.edu (sduggire@grad [131.247.3.1]) by babbage.csee.usf.edu (8.12.9p1/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h8PHPt66022575 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (sduggire@localhost) by grad.csee.usf.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA02872 for ; Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:25:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: grad.csee.usf.edu: sduggire owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2003 13:25:54 -0400 (EDT) From: sridhar duggireddy X-X-Sender: To: Subject: problem in downloading sctp patch. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-RAVMilter-Version: 8.4.2(snapshot 20021217) (babbage) Hi, I am currently using ns-allinone-2.26 version NS simulator. I am doing project on sctp protocol. So i wanted to download the ns2 code for sctp. So I tried to download the patch ns-allinone-2.26.sctp-rel3.4_patch_rel3.3.gz from www.cis.udel.edu and i used the patch command patch -p0 < ns-allinone-2.26.sctp-rel3.4_patch_rel3.3.gz whenever it asked for file to patch i gave the above patch name. But it did not work. What is the correct procedure to do this? Thanks, Sridhar!! From sylvester_d@tiscali.co.uk Fri Sep 26 22:46:28 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA03640 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:46:28 -0400 (EDT) From: sylvester_d@tiscali.co.uk Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A356P-0000sT-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:46:33 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A356O-0000sB-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:46:32 -0400 Received: from tiscali.co.uk (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Sep 2003 19:49:36 -0700 Received: from sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (sj-inbound-3.cisco.com [128.107.250.144]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8R2hUJs028991 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com (mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com [212.74.114.37]) by sj-inbound-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with ESMTP id h8R2hW25029954 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2003 19:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [212.74.114.4] (helo=mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1A34zI-0005ce-3O; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:39:12 +0100 Received: from [81.23.193.84] by mk-cpfrontend.uk.tiscali.com with HTTP; Sat, 27 Sep 2003 03:39:11 +0100 Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 04:39:11 +0200 Message-ID: <3F69DE040001C47B@mk-cpfrontend-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com> Subject: CONTACT ME BACK! To: sylvester_d@tiscali.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear sir, I am DR.Sylvester Duke,the financial controller and contract Award committee Chairman in the National Electric Power Authority(NEPA)in Lagos,Nigeria.My colleagues have assigned me to seek for assistance of a reliable foreigner through whom we can transfer the sum of US$65,500,000(Sixty Five Million,Five Hundred Thousand U.S Dollars)which arose from deliberate over-inflated contract value for the General expansion of the Kainji Dam Thermal Station on behalf of National Electric Power Authority(NEPA)for increased energy generation to Nigeria and some other West African Countries. The contract was awarded in 1998 during the late General Sani Abacha regime to an expatriate firm with the consideration of 10% commission agreement on the total contract value.The contract has been completed and the contractor has long been paid,we are now left with this US$65,500.00 representing the 10% our own share as agreed presently in the Federal Government account. The favourable political/economic climate in this country now presented an opportunity for this money to be transferred out of this country. I got your contact from a commercial attached to your embassey.The assurance gave me courage to link you up for this particular transaction,and i hope it will be of mutual benefit to all of us. Our contact in the Federal Ministry of Finance have given us a go ahead advice to begin the process of the remittance,hence we have set in motion the machinery for the take off of the transaction and further action will commence immediately we hear from you. We have agreed that after the transfer of the money into your account,you shall be entitled to 20% of the total amount transferred,while 70% will be for us and the remaining 10% will take care of any incidentalexpenses that emanates from this transaction.We decided to give you this percentage in order to motivate you and also to let you feel satisfied at the end of this transaction.The nature of your business is not particularly relevant to the success of this transaction.All we require is your willingness to co-operate and assurance that our own share will be given to us when this money is being transferred into your account. All necessary precautions have been taken to ensure a no risk situation on the sides of both parties and it is believed that the conclusion of this transaction will not work more than fourteen(14)working days. However,we are going to retrieve the whole documents that will be related to this transactio so that both parties will be protecred after the transfer of the money into your account.Since we have no knowledge of business,our plan is to invest this money into Real Estate,Stocks and we can also invest in some other profitable business in your country based on your advice because many of our years has been spent on Civil Servant,and we may likely resign from government service to private business after this money is transferred into your account. Please note that this business is strictly confidential and must not be disclosed to a third party.This is necessary to avoid disclosire that may jeopardize the transaction.Finally,if this prop= osal is acceptable to you, feel free to contact me.Note: For Confidential reas= ons, email me on this address.sylvester_d@tiscali.co.uk Best Regards, DR.Sylvester Duke From kabwestevens@netscape.net Mon Sep 29 20:07:58 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA18399 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A483f-00071l-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:08:03 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A483f-00071V-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:08:03 -0400 Received: from proxy1.cisco.com (proxy1.cisco.com [128.107.241.179]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8U06YYb020460 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape840.com (node-c-6171.a2000.nl [62.194.97.113]) by proxy1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8U06UV5021649 for ; Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:06:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309300006.h8U06UV5021649@proxy1.cisco.com> From: Steven Kabwe To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: kabwestevens.com@cisco.com Subject: COMPLIMENTS OF THE SEASON Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:06:22 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="a66363cd-f07a-4dee-ab74-450f909552c2" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --a66363cd-f07a-4dee-ab74-450f909552c2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Sir, How are you and your family today? I hope that you are all okay? I found information about you and decided to contact you for an important assistance. I am Steven Kabwe, a citizen of Zimbabwe, but I am = writing from Nederland. I am the only son of James Kabwe, a wealthy farmer and senior politician with the opposition political party in my country, Movement for = Democratic Change [MDC]. My father was murdered by our wicked President, = Robert Mugabe and I fled my country because I have become his next target to = eliminate. My father was a fighter for Justice and a moving force in the MDC, a Party wanting to end the several years of brutal dictatorship government of = President Robert Mugabe. You will read more stories about President Mugabe's = brutal acts by visiting this web sites; http://www.rte.ie/news/2000/0418/zimbabwe.html My father was accused of Treason and also aiding the White farmers in = fighting the government. Few weeks after his arrest, he was reported dead. = The government claimed he died of heart attack and his body was never seen = for proper autopsy. They buried him in the government cemetery. My father's = associate Mr. Martin Olds a White farmer from Britain assisted me in fighting = my father's death through the Court and media; the government saw us as a big = treat to them and decided to eliminate us. Mr. Olds was attacked and = murdered in his house, but fortunately, before they came looking for me, I = received the news and I had to flee through the border to South Africa to = save my life. My arrival here in Nederland still remains like a miracle to me. Here are my reasons for contacting you: I need to bring my family and that of Mr. Olds out of Zimbabwe as soon as possible before any more harm is done to them. I have a huge sum of money in the total sum of = $18.6Million presently in Nederland. My father kept this money with a Security and Trust Company in Johannesburg, South-Africa, for obvious = security reasons and the situation in my country. He kept these funds in two = trunk boxes in disguise as family treasures, meaning that the Security = Company management is not aware of the real content of the boxes. My = father's farms and bank accounts were seized by the government before his = arrest and murder. He told me everything concerning the funds in the security company while he = was still in detention and I have made several contacts with the security = company concerning the release of the boxes to me. I was on the process when I fled the country and have communicated with them when I = arrived here. I need your assistance in securing the funds here in Nederland = or in your country, so that I can arrange for my family and that of the Olds = to join me here in Nederland. I am willing to offer you 20% of the $18.6 = Million for your assistance. Please, let me know if you can assist me, so that I can give you more details on how we shall proceed. As I await your urgent response, please treat this information as top secret. Always reply me with my private email address: kabwestevens@go.com Thank you and God bless. My mother is aware of my plans, as I am sending her copy of this letter. Regards, STEVEN KABWE. MORE SITES ABOUT MUGABE'S BRUTAL GOVERNMENT http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/04/64376.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=3D/news/2002/08/13/wzim13.xml http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0%2C4273%2C4332401%2C00.html --a66363cd-f07a-4dee-ab74-450f909552c2-- From charjohnson37@netscape.net Tue Sep 30 16:08:54 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA13836 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4Qnr-0004h7-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:08:59 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4Qnr-0004gu-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:08:59 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (sj-inbound-2.cisco.com [128.107.250.143]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h8UK7LJs014793 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:07:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape2220.com (spkcpa@node-d-58f4.a2000.nl [62.195.88.244]) by sj-inbound-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with SMTP id h8UK6ox5004508 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:06:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200309302006.h8UK6ox5004508@sj-inbound-2.cisco.com> From: MR Charles Johnson To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: charjohnson37@netscape.net Subject: DEAR FRIEND Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 22:04:51 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="7ea99e7b-246e-4610-bd72-83abc2940253" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --7ea99e7b-246e-4610-bd72-83abc2940253 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Friend, Naturally, this letter will come to you as a surprise since we have not met, permit me to introduce myself. I am MR Charles Johnson a Zimbabwean Farmer. I am contacting you as the need for me to have a foreign partner in your country has become necessary due to my plans to relocate and establish a private company in that region, as the present political instability in my country Zimbabwe, does not encourage financial investment as the environment is not conducive for investment and most of all security is not insured, just as reported by international media. I got your contacts through personal research and out of desperation I decided to reach you through this medium. I will give you more information as regards to this as soon as you reply and I repose great confidence in you hence my approach due to security network place on us and I hope you will not let me out to security personnel. This problem started when the Zimbabwean government under the leadership of President Robert Mugabe announced a decree on May 31st 2000 to seize more than 849 white-owned farms. So far, more than 1,400 white owned farms have been invaded and confiscated, as well as claiming the properties of the farmers. Consequently, most of my colleagues and our properties were seized again putting us to total confusion, frustration and hopelessness by the administration of President Mugabe in my country and we where subjected to psychological torture by the security agents in the country. Some of my friends are still under detention, although arrangements are being made for their release, now I have no confidence with anybody within my country. During these periods, as reported by some international media including the CNN, so many white farmers were killed, the government is not stopping at this, as just recently the government have asked all white-farmers to give up their farms to black farmers or risk going to prison. Having lived in this country Zimbabwe for so many years, I have no other country to go to, nor can I trace any of my distant relatives. Therefore, I decided to contact you, for your assistance, so that I can establish a company in your country and relocate there. Also, I must re-iterate the importance of having a citizen of your country to front as the owner of the enterprise, due to the fact that I am a foreigner. For this purpose, I have put in a security deposit all monies from the sale of my farm and farming equipments (including tractors etc) which amounted to US$12Million, I had to move the money out of the country through a very secret arranged channel in a very unconventional method by my friend an official at the "Security Minting & Printing Company" of my country. Presently, the money is in an Oversea Country, under the custody of a private security firm whose name is withheld for now until we open communication. I will upon receiving your consent prepare every document to enable you receive this money on my behalf, pending my arrival to meet with you in your country so that we can both make further arrangements with regards to establishing the company. As a partner you will be entitled to 20% stake in whichever company that we both decide to establish when I arrive your country and 20%of the fund. I am waiting urgently for your response and please treat with utmost confidentiality. Best Regard MR Charles Johnson --7ea99e7b-246e-4610-bd72-83abc2940253-- From rabipeter19@netscape.net Tue Sep 30 20:14:33 2003 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA21949 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4Uda-000777-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:14:38 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1A4Uda-00076J-00 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 20:14:38 -0400 Received: from sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (sj-inbound-4.cisco.com [128.107.250.145]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id h910BnXg007789 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from netscape58.com (node-c-064a.a2000.nl [62.194.6.74]) by sj-inbound-4.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.11.2) with SMTP id h910CCLD011991 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 2003 17:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200310010012.h910CCLD011991@sj-inbound-4.cisco.com> From: "Dr.James white." To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Reply-To: rabipeter19@netscape.net Subject: .STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2003 02:11:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="b41cb05e-4833-4423-bb06-7241925841e1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format --b41cb05e-4833-4423-bb06-7241925841e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NAME.DR JAMES WHITE EMAIL.rabipeter19@netscape.net SUBJECT.STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL Foreign Liaison Office Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) Dear Sir, I am an accountant with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) = and I am also a member of the Nigerian contract award and monitoring committee in the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation. Sometime ago, a contract was awarded to a foreign firm in Germany by my = committee. This contract was over invoiced to the tune of US$18.5Million. = The over invoicing was a deal by my committee to benefit from the project. We = now desire to transfer this money which is presently in a suspense account of = the Central Bank of Nigeria. (CBN) into any overseas account which we expect = you to provide for us. For providing the account where we shall remit the money, you will be = entitled to 30% of the money, 60% will be for myself and my partners, the = remaining 10% would be set aside to settle all expenses incurred by both = parties. I would require the following; 1. Bank Name and Address 2. Telephone , Fax Numbers of Bankers 3. Name of Beneficiary/Company Name/Address, Account Number 4. Confidential Telephone & Fax number of Beneficiary. The above information would be used to make formal application as a matter of = procedure for the release of the money and onward transfer to the nominated = account you would provide. It does not matter whether or not your company = does contract projects of this nature described here, the assumption is that = your company won the major contract and subcontracted it out to other = companies. We have strong and reliable connections and contacts at the apex = Bank and the Federal Ministry of Finance and we have no doubt that all this = money will be released and transferred if we get a reliable and trust worthy = foreign partner to assist us in this mutual/beneficial deal. Therefore, when = the business is successfully concluded, we shall through our same connections = withdraw all documents used from all the concerned Government Ministries for = 100% security. We are civil servants and we will not want to miss this = opportunity. Please contact me immediately through my above whether or not you are = interested in this deal. If you are not, it will enable me scout for another = foreign partner to carry out this deal. But where you are interested, send = the required documents aforementioned herein without delay, as time is of the = essence in this deal. I await your anticipated cooperation and response. Best regards, DR JAMES WHITE --b41cb05e-4833-4423-bb06-7241925841e1--