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charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mark Allman wrote: >>The algorithm I use for CMT exhibits 1/2 SCTP and 1/2 TCP in this >>situation. > > > Fine. I have noted that I don't know CMT and my note carefully said > that if one were to use RFC2960 congestion control then the situation is > as I have described it. > > >>Think about it: if SCTP were to take 1/3 + 1/3 and TCP 1/3, then SCTP >>would be twice as likely to suffer a retransmission as TCP and >>therefore its combined cwnd's should fall until it is only as likely >>as TCP to suffer a retransmission (that is, until it is using only 1/2 >>of the shared bandwidth). > > > Um.... I don't think that hangs together at all. The cwnds should all > equalize and see a fairly similar drop rate. > > If *one* SCTP flow were using a disproportionate amount of the capacity > (e.g., 2/3 as above) then you'd be right that it would see a higher drop > rate (roughly speaking) and so it would reduce cwnd more often (and in > larger steps) than the TCP. But, we are talking about two independent > SCTP flows and a TCP flow. So, a drop on one SCTP flow doesn't have any > impact on 2/3 of the utilization (the TCP flow and the other SCTP flow). > > In other words, say there were two TCP flows (obviously completely > independent) and an SCTP flow. Each flow gets 1/3 of the capacity. Or, > if there were 3 SCTP flows then each would get 1/3. Or, if there were 3 > TCP flows then each would get 1/3. Soo... if I understand your point here its that: a) a multi-homed SCTP flow, using both destinations to send data to would have two cwnds.. so if these two shared a bottleneck they get 2/Nths the b/w if following RFC2960 CC. b) In contrast the other TCP flow gets 1/Nth the b/w since it uses the same algorithm but has only one set of cwnd parameters.. So, if there are three flows in this bottleneck, one from a TCP flow, and two from a single SCTP association that has the shared bottleneck dumb-bell... SCTP would get as I expected 2/3 of the b/w vs 1/3 for the TCP flow... I think it basically centers around the fact that you are keeping two sets of cwnd variables and applying CC to each independantly.. now I suppose if you were to have only ONE cwnd and apply a loss to either destination as the same... then you would respond fairly.. but of course you would also do worse where you did not have the shared bottle neck.. not exactly what you want :-D > > >>Could you point to some of the literature you mention so that I can >>see what congestion algorithm they claim to be using? > > > The handy example I have is for TCP+SACK and is... > > Wesley Eddy, Shawn Ostermann, Mark Allman. New Techniques for Making > Transport Protocols Robust to Corruption-Based Loss. ACM Computer > Communication Review, 34(5), October 2004. > http://www.icir.org/mallman/papers/ceten-ccr-oct2004.ps > > It's not about any of this... but, look at the fairness reported in > figure 6. Just look at the stock TCP line and you'll see that 10 and 50 > TCP flows all get about the same share the bottleneck (exactly 1/N > sharing would yield a fairness index of 1.0). > > It's not SCTP. Maybe someone else can point to SCTP papers on the > subject. But, SCTP's congestion control (per 2960) is modeled after > TCP+SACK. The same principles apply to each and so the behavior should > be similar. There will be subtle differences , but nothing on the order > of the major discrepancies you paint. Hmmmm.. this rings a bell .. someone did a paper a while ago that shows that SCTP has the same properties as TCP ... I will dig around and see if I can turn up the reference. 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SCTP would get >>as I expected 2/3 of the b/w vs 1/3 for the TCP flow... >> >>I think it basically centers around the fact that you >>are keeping two sets of cwnd variables and applying >>CC to each independantly.. > > > Yes to all of the above. > > >>now I suppose if you were to have only ONE cwnd and apply a loss to >>either destination as the same... then you would respond fairly.. > > > Indeed. And, I think this is what Brian is trying to say. So the real question for Brian then.. is when he does his CMT thing... does he maintain dest ---- IP-A -- cwnd1/ssthresh1 and IP-B -- cwnd2/ssthresh2 OR dest --- IP-A -- cwnd1/ssthresh1 IP-B -- cwnd1/ssthresh1 ------------------------ And if he does do what is different from 2960 CC that makes it so it does not unfairly get the b/w and if what would make it (on the non-dumbbell case) get better performance... R > > >>but of course you would also do worse where you did not have the >>shared bottle neck.. not exactly what you want :-D > > > Exactly. > > allman > > > -- Randall Stewart ITD - Cisco Systems Inc. 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 (cell) ------------=_1121185430-28385-0-- From bidulock@openss7.org Tue Jul 12 13:41:04 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DsOki-0008OP-0O for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:41:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18719 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DsPCx-0007vO-D9 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:10:15 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2005 10:40:54 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6CHeavM013309; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6CHe9nJ029583 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507121740.j6CHe9nJ029583@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121190009-29581-0" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh List-Id: sctp-impl To: Mark Allman From: "Brian F. 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From rrs@cisco.com Thu Jul 14 08:10:49 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dt2YB-0005ER-HD for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:10:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA03384 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dt30l-000758-1B for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:40:21 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2005 05:10:34 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6ECAHvO007146; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6EC9VnJ010897 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:09:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507141209.j6EC9VnJ010897@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121342970-10889-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh List-Id: sctp-impl To: bidulock@openss7.org From: Randall Stewart Cc: Mark Allman , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 08:13:55 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 6cca30437e2d04f45110f2ff8dc1b1d5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121342970-10889-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Randall, > > Not really research: results from testing in the same scenario that you > describe (multi-homed through a hub, contest with TCP). I did the > experimentation a year or two ago when I was performing CMT testing. > > The TCP contention results have not been published, only the CMT results > were published to our website at http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html Interesting results... I have been playing around with KAME and 1000Mbit links... and getting around 400Mb/s.... need to get setup to make some pretty charts and graphs and put them up as well, another thing for my "to do" list :-D A question or two below... > Characteristics of the CMT algorithm that might assist with this are as > follows: > > * When I go to transmit, I select the "best" destination based on a > weighting that includes available send window considering congestion. > This causes lower performing destinations to fall away. > > * The weighting also favors the same destination as was last transmitted > to if all other weighting factors are equal. This adds persistence on > the same destination. This is good for limiting gap reports as well > as helping with the bottleneck behavior. > > * Once I choose the best destination, I send a much data as possible (is > available), without checking again. Again, this is good for gap > reports as well as bottleneck behavior. So you fill the destination completely until flightsize >= cwnd? > > * When sending to the "best" destination is no longer possible because > the send window has closed, I rerun the selection algorithm and go > again. (In the loop consideration is also given for max burst.) So does this mean that when you perform the previous step.. and your cwnd is full to the "former best destination", then you run your selection algorithm and pick a new "best" one that has space in its cwnd... and then repeat? > > If you adjust your own CMT algorithm to similar characteristics, you > might very well be able to recreate my bottleneck results with your own > systems. It shouldn't be too hard for someone to run an NS-2 simulation > to figure out just what is happening and the importance of some aspects > of the algorithm. > Jana is working on the CMT algorithm .. he has asked me to test it and I think I will finally get a chance this week to turn it on and see how it does... I don't think he has implemented any of the algorithms you enumerate above... maybe he should :-D I will first test what he has put into the CVS base... and then we will need to think about making some adjustments accordingly :-0 R -- Randall Stewart ITD - Cisco Systems Inc. 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 (cell) ------------=_1121342970-10889-0-- From iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Thu Jul 14 14:24:52 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dt8OB-0005rI-QL for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:52 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA06653 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dt8qq-0005W1-D0 for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 14:54:29 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2005 11:24:40 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="306409341:sNHT245230614" Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EIOIvM016569; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6EINnnJ017031 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507141823.j6EINnnJ017031@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121365429-17028-0" Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. 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from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dt969-0003O7-5y for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:10:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA10559 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dt9Ym-00076X-Gw for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 15:39:54 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2005 12:10:05 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="306456277:sNHT60102064" Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EJ9wod012916; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:09:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6EJ9jnJ017793 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 12:09:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507141909.j6EJ9jnJ017793@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121368185-17791-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh List-Id: sctp-impl To: Janardhan Iyengar From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" Cc: Randall Stewart , Mark Allman , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:01:46 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 0fa76816851382eb71b0a882ccdc29ac This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121368185-17791-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Janardhan, On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Janardhan Iyengar wrote: > [Folks on the Cc list: Let me know if I should trim you off the list] > > Brian, > > I was tied up in other things for a little while, so seem to have missed > this discussion. > > I am not sure what _you mean_ by "CMT". I thought I understood at first, > but now, I am convinced that I do not. A couple of years ago, we > introduced the term CMT as Concurrent Multipath Transfer - sending new > data concurrently to the multiple destination addresses of a multihomed > receiver. Well, if you want to define CMT as something else, go ahead. But, what I'm doing is transmitting to multiple destinations to achieve efficient load balancing over multiple destinations in contrast to the stock RFC 2960 primary/alternate approach. > > You have written (several times) about how you schedule data to the > multiple destination addresses. That is only a part of the CMT-SCTP > problem, not all of it. Please look at > http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar/publications for the rest. Yes, I looked at these last year. It has taken your research some time to catch up with practice. Look at my last note to Randall to see the two little other things that I do to get rid of those effects. > > The experiments you point to assume several things; a significant one > being that the bandwidth and delay on the two paths used are the same. > These results cannot be generalized. As I said, tests were also performed in competition with TCP, which results in paths that do not have the same bandwidth-delay product. The same performance is achieved. > > Although I am not entirely clear on its impact, the problem Randy points > out is a very pertinent problem, which certainly cannot be solved by your > sending algorithm, because to the extent that I understand your algo, it > does not really apply to CMT (as I understand CMT). But in testing it demonstrates that it does solve the problem. > > It would really help if you could present your algo to the list. Even I > have only a vague memory of what it is. If you are interested, we could > take the discussion from there. Check with Armando, I have sent it to him many times, starting in 2001. I have been sending it to you for 4 years now... You can download the entire implementation (including all the points that I mentioned to Randall and provide the performance posted) from http://www.openss7.org/download.html On my latest version I will add automated test scripts that will recreate the test results for independent corroboration. --brian > ------------=_1121368185-17791-0-- From rrs@cisco.com Thu Jul 14 16:52:57 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DtAhU-0001lC-VQ for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:52:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09630 for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-3-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.72] helo=sj-iport-3.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DtBA7-00012C-Hv for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:22:33 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 14 Jul 2005 13:52:43 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="3.93,290,1115017200"; d="scan'208"; a="306584530:sNHT54913190" Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6EKqQvM024114; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6EKpwnJ019454 for sctp-impl-filtered; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 13:52:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507142052.j6EKpwnJ019454@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121374318-19452-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh List-Id: sctp-impl To: bidulock@openss7.org From: Randall Stewart Cc: Mark Allman , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:56:32 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 10d3e4e3c32e363f129e380e644649be This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121374318-19452-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Randall, > > On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Randall Stewart wrote: > > --X-snip-X-- > > > You could also try my two tricks for gap reports on CMT: > > 1. When the sender gets a gap report, I only perform FR steps when the > receiver is not "making progress". The receiver is "making progress" > when it is contigiuosly filling a gap. That is, a gap is shrinking. > This is far simpler that trying to run a multiple queuing model. > This trick does not break the rules: one is allowed to be more > conservative than the FR rules allow, per RFC 2960. I don't think > one really has to even do FR, however, it has great benefits. I don't think you are required to do FR at all.. so being more conservative is definetly not a problem :-> > > 2. This second one breaks the rules, slightly. It is at the receiver. > Normally one SACKs every second message, and sends withheld SACKs > within a timeout (200ms) if there is no received data to trigger a > SACK. The purpose of this, of course, is to keep the ack clock > running. I still apply these rules, however, I do not send a SACK > every second received packet iff there is already more received data > to process in the receive queue. That is, I send one SACK for an > entire continguous block of packets in queue, rather than many SACKs, > filled with many gap reports. That probably is not really an issue either...since it is still in the spirit of the every other packet.. only thing is your peer may not increase its cwnd as fast.. but that probably does not matter... Jana was doing something else here if I remember right :-D > > 3. I perform Nagle's algorithm with Minshall's modifications. Yep... > > Those two tricks are the key to providing performance similar to what I > reported. > > The first (and legal) one is more important than the second (illegal) > one. The second one provides that %0.5 boost over TCP, which was > non-SACK TCP on that version of Linux and its acking like crazy at the > top end. Hmm.. interesting... I will dig in tommorrow and see what Jana is doing.. I have my multi-home lab setup again.. so I will see what happens with Jana's solution... 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Iyengar http://www.cis.udel.edu/~iyengar Protocol Engineering Lab -- CIS -- University Of Delaware --------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 13:26:48 -0400 From: Mark Allman To: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: Brian F. G. Bidulock , Randall Stewart , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh > Try a simple experiment downloading a large file in a single TCP > connection, then again with multiple TCP connections downloading > different parts of the same file in parallel. Multiple connections > do better, partly because they get an unfair share of the bottleneck > bandwidth. Yeah... see some of the papers at the bottom of http://www.icir.org/mallman/papers/ for experiments with a multiple-connection FTP (over satellite links). allman ------------=_1121450673-9510-0-- From iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Fri Jul 15 14:25:53 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DtUse-0001cv-Nk for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:25:53 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03656 for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DtVLW-0004nN-9t for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:55:38 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 15 Jul 2005 11:25:33 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6FIOK6p016638; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:24:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6FINZnJ009839 for sctp-impl-filtered; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507151823.j6FINZnJ009839@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121451814-9837-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: FW: ssthressh List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: Randall Stewart , Mark Allman , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a7d2e37451f7f22841e3b6f40c67db0f This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121451814-9837-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian, >> A couple of years ago, we introduced the term CMT as Concurrent >> Multipath Transfer - sending new data concurrently to the multiple >> destination addresses of a multihomed receiver. > > Well, if you want to define CMT as something else, go ahead. But, what > I'm doing is transmitting to multiple destinations to achieve efficient > load balancing over multiple destinations in contrast to the stock > RFC 2960 primary/alternate approach. That is what we had intended when we introduced the term "CMT". Glad to see that you use the term in the same sense. > Yes, I looked at these last year. It has taken your research some time > to catch up with practice. What practice? I do not understand what you mean by this comment - I certainly do not know of any CMT using SCTP in practice. You claim to do CMT in your code. I do not know how you do it.. I have asked you repeatedly, in vain, to share your algos in the past. I see that you have given more info in the email to Randy - comments below. > Look at my last note to Randall to see the two little other things that > I do to get rid of those effects. I did see your note. And I have a couple of comments. So, I'll copy and paste from the other email: > If you place some persistence on the "best" destination into the > algorithm, you might not only find the bottleneck behavior similar to > what I report, but you should find that the gap report generation at the > receiver reduced. I still do not understand how your sending algo works. When do you stop sending to "the best destination" and when do you start sending to others? > You could also try my two tricks for gap reports on CMT: > > 1. When the sender gets a gap report, I only perform FR steps when the > receiver is not "making progress". The receiver is "making progress" > when it is contigiuosly filling a gap. That is, a gap is shrinking. > This is far simpler that trying to run a multiple queuing model. > This trick does not break the rules: one is allowed to be more > conservative than the FR rules allow, per RFC 2960. I don't think > one really has to even do FR, however, it has great benefits. I'm guessing that you are assuming a certain sending mechanism. Unless you work with a multiple queueing model, IMHO, you cannot handle any sender scheduling mechanisms. In any case, a multiple queueing model, IMHO, is not complicated at all. The code to implement it is quite simple and requires delta changes. >> The experiments you point to assume several things; a significant one >> being that the bandwidth and delay on the two paths used are the same. >> These results cannot be generalized. > > As I said, tests were also performed in competition with TCP, which results > in paths that do not have the same bandwidth-delay product. The same > performance is achieved. >> It would really help if you could present your algo to the list. Even I >> have only a vague memory of what it is. If you are interested, we could >> take the discussion from there. > > Check with Armando, I have sent it to him many times, starting in 2001. I > have been sending it to you for 4 years now... You sent it *once* to Armando four years ago. In any case, I do remember looking at what you sent, and it was just a destination selection algorithm based on cwnd, RTT, among other things. I did not, and still do not understand what it does, and why it is the panacea for all CMT concerns. Armando is currently on vacation, and will be for a little while longer. Maybe you could repost what you sent, this time *to the list* ? Brian, I have pointed out the papers that present CMT concerns, and how we deal with them. I am trying to discern what you do from your quizzical responses. If you think it is important to you, and if you would like to share your ideas with the community at large, I would really appreciate a simple document that clearly talks about what you do. A simple outline would contain your sending algo, algo to deal with reordering, and a simple analysis describing how these algos work, and show why the shared bottleneck problem does not exist. Maybe some experimental results even. Until then, if I said anything else, I would probably be repeating myself. regards, jana --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. 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for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:58:40 -0400 Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com (171.68.223.137) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 19 Jul 2005 10:27:51 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6JHR06p027147; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:27:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6JHQPnJ008898 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507191726.j6JHQPnJ008898@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1121793984-8896-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Shared bottleneck concern with CMT [was Re: FW: ssthressh] List-Id: sctp-impl To: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: Randall Stewart , Mark Allman , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 13:24:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 93e7fb8fef2e780414389440f367c879 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121793984-8896-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian, Thank you for the detail you have provided in this email. >> That is what we had intended when we introduced the term "CMT". Glad to >> see that you use the term in the same sense. > > Well, am I using it the same way you are then, or not? Yes. >> I do not know how you do it.. I have asked you >> repeatedly, in vain, to share your algos in the past. I see that you have >> given more info in the email to Randy - comments below. > > The selection algorithm was last posted to tsvwg, 31 Mar 2005, under the > thread "SCTP load balancing policy - reg". I saw the email. In gist, you have two parts: /* * RATE ROUTE * ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Rate the provided route according to a weighting function. */ and /* * BREAK TIE * ------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Break a tie between two equally rated routes. */ It is still a path selection mechanism for sending, and I have seen that several times. I still do not understand how it covers CMT, reordering troubles, and shared bottleneck detection! > Actually, I lied. Looking at the code, this is done at the receiver to handle > sacks. So, let me describe things again. > > 1. At the receiver, when I receive a new TSN and while performing gap > algorithm I determine whether the sender is making "progress", where > progress is defined as a shrinking or collapsing gap. When the > receiver goes to send a SACK due to gap reports, I suppress the SACK > generation (and fall back to delayed SACK) iff the sender was making > progress. (See function sctp_recv_data). > > 2. At the receiver, when I go to send a SACK, I don't if there are more > received packets to process in the socket's receive queue (packets > that passed checksum and vtags checks and arrived at the socket while > I was processing the current packet. Due to queuing delays, this > normally only occurs in implementation when a packet is received from > an interface which is independent from the interface for the packet > that is currently being processed. (See functions sctp_bundle_more > and sctp_bundle_sack.) > > 3. At the sender, when I receive a SACK acknowledging data, and I have > gaps, I mark all destinations with messages outstanding in gaps as > "eligible for FR". Then, if the SACK acknowledges data within a > gap, I mark the destination to which that data belonged as > "ineligible for FR". Then, when I go to do FR calculations on > messages unacknowledged in the gap, I skip the calculation for > messages sent to destinations marked "ineligible for FR". This not > only works for CMT but makes FR less sensitive to networks that > reorder messages (even for single-homed associations). As it is less > aggressive than RFC 2960, it is probably OK. Also, it does not change > the situation that if a block of messages is consistently reported > as missing in SACK gap reports, FR will be performed on those > messages. I should point out, however, that this is a more recent > improvement, I used to to the same thing as in (1.) above at both > the receiver and sender and that older method is what the performance > results posted at http://www.openss7.org/sctp_perf.html were base on. > (See function sctp_recv_sack.) Thank you for these details! I am assuming that what you mean by less aggressive than RFC2960 is that your sender might need more missing reports before an FR. These are reasonable heuristics. And like you mention, your sender is less aggressive than RFC2960 *when marking for FR*. That is, unnecessary FRs would be reduced. But the reason I do multiple queues is because I do not want to be less aggressive than RFC2960. I want to be *as aggressive as* RFC2960 when marking for FR, for performance reasons. Multiple queues gives me that ability, and is not much of a hassle to code into existing stacks. Randy and I are adding the code for multiple queues in the KAME stack, and it was quite easy to integrate. Also the way the algos are written as deltas to existing code, the added complexity should (hopefully) not be much. > The last time we discussed this (October of last year) you were going to > write (update) an internet-draft on which I was looking forward to > commenting. How is that coming along? Thank you for reminding me, I almost forgot about it! The algo has been published as the SFR-CACC algo earlier though. I'll try to get it out soon for either this or the next IETF. > I'm sorry but I do not want to spend too much time walking you through > all of the details, when you appear to refuse to download the code and > look at it yourself, [...] Thank you for sharing whatever details you have shared so far, and particularly in this email. I do see that your heuristics will help reduce unnecessary FRs and reduce ack traffic. I still disagree that the shared bottleneck problem does not exist in your case. You also haven't addressed the concern of separating cumack info per path. In my CMT algos, I have tried to get deterministic behavior for the most part, and I also sincerely think that I have *tighter* heuristics when I use heuristics. The only place I can think of where I use heuristics is in the DAC algo (for reducing ack traffic). - jana --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. 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G. Bidulock" Cc: Mark Allman , Randall Stewart , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: bidulock@openss7.org Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:22:09 -0600 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b5d20af10c334b36874c0264b10f59f1 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121812044-13722-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Janardhan, Elementary Queuing Theory tells us the the type of deterministic traffic splitting that you describe, when applied to pure birth-death arrival processes, will result in independent (pure birth-death process) traffic flows. It is, of course, the basis of Markov chains, and holds because the "memoryless" properties of the pure birth-death process are preserved across the split. Thus, it would be no surprise that your splitting algorithm is unfair through a bottleneck, because the resulting flows can be considered "independent" pure birth-death processes of their own right. Mine, on the other hand, makes all service units for all non-optimal destination wait behind the service units for the optimal destination. This spitting removes the memoryless property of pure birth-death processes (that the probability of arrival of one service unit does not depend upon the arrival of another service unit). Now, it is true that in the non-bottleneck case, this constraint does not impede the other flows (because, whether you think of it a 1 server that work N times as fast, or N servers instead of 1, non-optimal destinations are not impeded so). But, in the bottleneck case, non-optimal destinations only get traffic after the entire bottleneck bandwidth has already been utilized by the optimal destination, making it behave like one flow. This choice of the best destination, the algorithm that you have ignored for many years, has several other advantages, too, as demonstrated by Lockheed Martin's 20ms destination failure recovery results. I suggest you try it rather than blindly professing that it must behave like your arbitrary selection. --brian On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Janardhan Iyengar wrote: > Brian, > > I do not think I agree with you. Stock SCTP or TCP tries to send a window > of data over the time window of what should be one RTT. Given that, you > shouldn't really be sending more that one window of data to the receiver > in one RTT. > > If you repeatedly did change_primary in SCTP, and kept sending to > different destination addresses, you are being aggressive (if the paths to > the destination addresses share a bottleneck). Which I think is close to > what you are doing. > > > > If you want to get closer to my CMT algorithm, when you go to send, > > check the send buffer availability on both TCP connections, chose the > > one with the largest buffer space, and send to it until the buffer is > > full. Then do the comparison again, and send again until the next > > connection's buffer is full, and so on. > > If you assume a infinitely large file transfer (there is always data to > send), you will always be sending as much as both cwnds allow. > > Effectively, your sending algorithm is too aggressive if the bottleneck > is shared. > > > > You cannot model either stock SCTP or a persistent CMT algorithm as > > multiple completely independent flows. They are not independent at all. > > I do not understand what you mean. For congestion control purposes, they > are independent. There is SACK information that is shared across the > paths, but I assume that is not what you are talking about. > > > > The papers you cite cover independent concurrent TCP flows, with, I > > assume, some determinate traffic splitting (round robin). Try altering > > the algorithm for selecting the TCP stream as detailed above. > > What I do is, in fact, quite similar to what you describe. When the sender > is able to send, I pick a destination arbitrarily (this I think is where > we differ), and send to it until the cwnd is full. I then move on to the > next destination, and so on. 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G. Bidulock" From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: Mark Allman , Randall Stewart , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:12:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 67c1ea29f88502ef6a32ccec927970f0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121883238-2630-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian, > Elementary Queuing Theory tells us the the type of deterministic traffic > splitting that you describe, when applied to pure birth-death arrival > processes, will result in independent (pure birth-death process) traffic > flows. It is, of course, the basis of Markov chains, and holds because > the "memoryless" properties of the pure birth-death process are > preserved across the split. > > Thus, it would be no surprise that your splitting algorithm is unfair > through a bottleneck, because the resulting flows can be considered > "independent" pure birth-death processes of their own right. > > Mine, on the other hand, makes all service units for all non-optimal > destination wait behind the service units for the optimal destination. > This spitting removes the memoryless property of pure birth-death > processes (that the probability of arrival of one service unit does not > depend upon the arrival of another service unit). I do not agree. If my splitting creates independent flows, so does yours. My sender sends until the cwnd of one (the first, any) path is full, then attempts the next. Your sender sends until the cwnd of the "best" path is full, then attempts the next. Further, yes, just like you, I have tried prioritized sending to destinations (in my case, in order of increasing lossrate) - no surprises; the results are the same as without prioritized sending. Like I said in the previous email, if your sender has an infinite data source, you will send as much as both cwnds allow. Effectively, your sender will not be limited even if your sending to different destinations is prioritized. Your sender "waits" to send to a lower priority destination until the cwnd of the higher priority destination is not full. My sender does that too, except that the priority is not taken into account. > This choice of the best destination, the algorithm that you have ignored > for many years, has several other advantages, too, as demonstrated by > Lockheed Martin's 20ms destination failure recovery results. > > I suggest you try it rather than blindly professing that it must behave > like your arbitrary selection. If your prioritized sending works as a panacea for all of your CMT concerns, so be it. I have tried prioritized sending based on lossrate. Assuming an infinite data source, it does not make a difference in the results. More specifically, and more relevant to this thread, the shared bottleneck issue does not disappear because the sender prioritizes sending. Just as I would expect. And in my reality, the shared bottleneck concern still exists. - jana > --brian > > On Tue, 19 Jul 2005, Janardhan Iyengar wrote: > >> Brian, >> >> I do not think I agree with you. Stock SCTP or TCP tries to send a window >> of data over the time window of what should be one RTT. Given that, you >> shouldn't really be sending more that one window of data to the receiver >> in one RTT. >> >> If you repeatedly did change_primary in SCTP, and kept sending to >> different destination addresses, you are being aggressive (if the paths to >> the destination addresses share a bottleneck). Which I think is close to >> what you are doing. >> >> >>> If you want to get closer to my CMT algorithm, when you go to send, >>> check the send buffer availability on both TCP connections, chose the >>> one with the largest buffer space, and send to it until the buffer is >>> full. Then do the comparison again, and send again until the next >>> connection's buffer is full, and so on. >> >> If you assume a infinitely large file transfer (there is always data to >> send), you will always be sending as much as both cwnds allow. >> >> Effectively, your sending algorithm is too aggressive if the bottleneck >> is shared. >> >> >>> You cannot model either stock SCTP or a persistent CMT algorithm as >>> multiple completely independent flows. They are not independent at all. >> >> I do not understand what you mean. For congestion control purposes, they >> are independent. There is SACK information that is shared across the >> paths, but I assume that is not what you are talking about. >> >> >>> The papers you cite cover independent concurrent TCP flows, with, I >>> assume, some determinate traffic splitting (round robin). Try altering >>> the algorithm for selecting the TCP stream as detailed above. >> >> What I do is, in fact, quite similar to what you describe. When the sender >> is able to send, I pick a destination arbitrarily (this I think is where >> we differ), and send to it until the cwnd is full. I then move on to the >> next destination, and so on. If my application is a large file transfer, >> then I am sending as much as the cwnds allow, to all destinations. >> >> - jana > --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. 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G. Bidulock" From: Janardhan Iyengar Cc: Mark Allman , Randall Stewart , Haresign Lincoln , Terletsky Oleg , SCTP Implementors X-Nails-Approved: iyengar@mail.eecis.udel.edu Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 22:26:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1121912954-10650-0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII"; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Brian, > On the other hand, my prioritization is based on congestion window, > and by exhausting the bandwidth of one path first, exhibits the necessary > characteristic through a bottleneck. As I have mentioned to you earlier, if your prioritization indeed works, then you have just nailed the problem of end-to-end bottleneck detection using a window based sender in an EXTREMELY simple way. I do not think that is the case, and I therefore disagree with you. Since I completely disagree with you on this issue, I am not going to invest time/energy trying out something that is a moot point as far as I am concerned. If you are convinced that your idea works, fine. Since this discussion is not really being productive (for me at least), and I think I'm just repeating myself, I do not wish to drag this thread any further. - jana --------------------------------------------------------------- Janardhan R. 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Isn't it ? I think it is possible to do the same also with recvmsg, I can specify in the field of struct iovec the lenght of message buffer. If I do this, do I have the same behaviour? thank you in advance /sal ___________________________________ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it ------------=_1122221369-6619-0-- From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Sun Jul 24 14:44:27 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1DwlSd-0001hq-1a for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:44:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA13950 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DwlxJ-00024y-AH for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:16:10 -0400 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Jul 2005 11:44:12 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6OIhmIs021087; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6OIhIFP008889 for sctp-impl-filtered; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 11:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507241843.j6OIhIFP008889@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1122230598-8887-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: sctp_recvmsg() vs recvmsg() List-Id: sctp-impl To: Salvatore Loreto From: Michael Tuexen Cc: rrs@cisco.com, lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2005 20:01:54 +0200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 4adaf050708fb13be3316a9eee889caa This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1122230598-8887-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Hi Sal, sctp_recvmsg is only a more convient way to access SCTP functionality available via recvmsg. In some implementations sctp_recvmsg is implemented via a recvmsg call. Best regards Michael On Jul 24, 2005, at 18:05 Uhr, Salvatore Loreto wrote: > Hi all, > > I've a doubt about the difference (if there are) > between sctp_recvmsg() and recvmsg() > > in sctp_recvmsg I can specify the length of message > buffer, so I can divide the message reception in more > steps. Isn't it ? > > I think it is possible to do the same also with > recvmsg, I can specify in the field of struct iovec > the lenght of message buffer. > If I do this, do I have the same behaviour? > > thank you in advance > /sal > > > > > > > > ___________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB > http://mail.yahoo.it ------------=_1122230598-8887-0-- From info@mail.tanpakushitsu.com Sun Jul 24 14:54:17 2005 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dwlc8-0002it-Vt for sctp-impl-archive@megatron.ietf.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:54:17 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA14521 for ; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 14:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [211.112.11.124] (helo=mail.tanpakushitsu.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dwm6o-0002MA-IK for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 24 Jul 2005 15:26:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 15764 invoked by uid 510); 24 Jul 2005 15:52:08 +0900 Date: 24 Jul 2005 15:52:08 +0900 Message-ID: <20050724065208.15762.qmail@mail.tanpakushitsu.com> From: info@tanpakushitsu.com To: sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org Subject: $B$*Aj$NCK@-$G$9$+!)(B $B"(G($l$KG($l$^$/$k=w@-$rH>1J5WE*$K2?;~$G$b2?=h$G$b40A4L5NA$G$N>R2pCW$7$^$9!#(B $B"($J$; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dx1JF-0005Fo-8v for sctp-impl-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:39:49 -0400 Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (171.71.177.254) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 25 Jul 2005 04:07:48 -0700 Received: from nailgun.cisco.com (nailgun.cisco.com [171.69.11.147]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6PB7Qul009403; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nailscatch (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nailgun.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id j6PB6hFP024098 for sctp-impl-filtered; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200507251106.j6PB6hFP024098@nailgun.cisco.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------=_1122289603-24096-0" Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: NAILS X-Brought-To-You-BY: djohnsen, stharms, Enterprise Messaging, and the letter "E" Subject: Re: sctp_recvmsg() vs recvmsg() List-Id: sctp-impl To: Salvatore Loreto From: Randall Stewart Cc: Michael Tuexen , lksctp-developers@lists.sourceforge.net, sctp-impl@external.cisco.com X-Nails-Approved: rrs@cisco.com Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:06:37 -0400 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 41c17b4b16d1eedaa8395c26e9a251c4 This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1122289603-24096-0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary Michael Tuexen wrote: > Hi Sal, > > sctp_recvmsg is only a more convient way to access SCTP functionality > available via recvmsg. In some implementations sctp_recvmsg is > implemented via a recvmsg call. What he said :-D Bascially, it hides the ugly CMSG stuff from you in SOME implementations.. however others implementations MIGHT develop a true system call to do this ( I plan on doing this for FreeBSD eventually... this is because all that CMSG stuff takes a lot of extra CPU and if I do it in a system call it will increase performance) R > > Best regards > Michael > > On Jul 24, 2005, at 18:05 Uhr, Salvatore Loreto wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> I've a doubt about the difference (if there are) >> between sctp_recvmsg() and recvmsg() >> >> in sctp_recvmsg I can specify the length of message >> buffer, so I can divide the message reception in more >> steps. Isn't it ? >> >> I think it is possible to do the same also with >> recvmsg, I can specify in the field of struct iovec >> the lenght of message buffer. >> If I do this, do I have the same behaviour? >> >> thank you in advance >> /sal >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ___________________________________ >> Yahoo! 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In some implementations > sctp_recvmsg is > > implemented via a recvmsg call. > > What he said :-D > > > Bascially, it hides the ugly CMSG stuff from you in > SOME > implementations.. however others implementations > MIGHT > develop a true system call to do this ( I plan on > doing this for FreeBSD eventually... this is because > all that CMSG stuff takes a lot of extra CPU and > if I do it in a system call it will increase > performance) > > R > > > > > Best regards > > Michael > > > > On Jul 24, 2005, at 18:05 Uhr, Salvatore Loreto > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I've a doubt about the difference (if there are) > >> between sctp_recvmsg() and recvmsg() > >> > >> in sctp_recvmsg I can specify the length of > message > >> buffer, so I can divide the message reception in > more > >> steps. Isn't it ? > >> > >> I think it is possible to do the same also with > >> recvmsg, I can specify in the field of struct > iovec > >> the lenght of message buffer. > >> If I do this, do I have the same behaviour? > >> > >> thank you in advance > >> /sal > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati > da 10MB > >> http://mail.yahoo.it > > > > > > > > > -- > Randall Stewart > ITD - Cisco Systems Inc. > 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 (cell) > ___________________________________ Yahoo! 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In some implementations > sctp_recvmsg is > > implemented via a recvmsg call. > > What he said :-D > > > Bascially, it hides the ugly CMSG stuff from you in > SOME > implementations.. however others implementations > MIGHT > develop a true system call to do this ( I plan on > doing this for FreeBSD eventually... this is because > all that CMSG stuff takes a lot of extra CPU and > if I do it in a system call it will increase > performance) > > R > > > > > Best regards > > Michael > > > > On Jul 24, 2005, at 18:05 Uhr, Salvatore Loreto > wrote: > > > >> Hi all, > >> > >> I've a doubt about the difference (if there are) > >> between sctp_recvmsg() and recvmsg() > >> > >> in sctp_recvmsg I can specify the length of > message > >> buffer, so I can divide the message reception in > more > >> steps. Isn't it ? > >> > >> I think it is possible to do the same also with > >> recvmsg, I can specify in the field of struct > iovec > >> the lenght of message buffer. > >> If I do this, do I have the same behaviour? > >> > >> thank you in advance > >> /sal > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ___________________________________ > >> Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati > da 10MB > >> http://mail.yahoo.it > > > > > > > > > -- > Randall Stewart > ITD - Cisco Systems Inc. > 803-345-0369 815-342-5222 (cell) > ___________________________________ Yahoo! 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What socket options are set... You could get a MSG_TRUNC or you could get the rest of it in the next read. R Salvatore Loreto wrote: > ok > > but the basic question is > what happens if I specify a very short length of > message buffer? > > > thank you > Sal > > --- Randall Stewart ha scritto: > > >>Michael Tuexen wrote: >> >>>Hi Sal, >>> >>>sctp_recvmsg is only a more convient way to access >> >>SCTP functionality >> >>>available via recvmsg. In some implementations >> >>sctp_recvmsg is >> >>>implemented via a recvmsg call. >> >>What he said :-D >> >> >>Bascially, it hides the ugly CMSG stuff from you in >>SOME >>implementations.. however others implementations >>MIGHT >>develop a true system call to do this ( I plan on >>doing this for FreeBSD eventually... this is because >>all that CMSG stuff takes a lot of extra CPU and >>if I do it in a system call it will increase >>performance) >> >>R >> >> >>>Best regards >>>Michael >>> >>>On Jul 24, 2005, at 18:05 Uhr, Salvatore Loreto >> >>wrote: >> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I've a doubt about the difference (if there are) >>>>between sctp_recvmsg() and recvmsg() >>>> >>>>in sctp_recvmsg I can specify the length of >> >>message >> >>>>buffer, so I can divide the message reception in >> >>more >> >>>>steps. Isn't it ? >>>> >>>>I think it is possible to do the same also with >>>>recvmsg, I can specify in the field of struct >> >>iovec >> >>>>the lenght of message buffer. >>>>If I do this, do I have the same behaviour? >>>> >>>>thank you in advance >>>>/sal >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>___________________________________ >>>>Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati >> >>da 10MB >> >>>>http://mail.yahoo.it >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Randall Stewart >>ITD - Cisco Systems Inc. >>803-345-0369 815-342-5222 (cell) >> > > > > > > ___________________________________ > Yahoo! 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: hipsec-bounces@lists.ietf.org Errors-To: hipsec-bounces@lists.ietf.org We had interops with Jeff yesterday. Once again, OpenHIP and HIPL base exchange interoperated successfully. Jeff said that OpenHIP and Ericsson's BSD HIP base exchange interoperated as well. I hope we get an RFC soon because the draft seems quite mature and technically sound to me. All of the changes introduced between base-02 and base-03 were implementable and reasonable. We have few editorial suggestion based on some minor implementation caveats we run into: * ESP_INFO usage in the base exchange: mention explicitly what to fill in the fields in both the initiator and responder * Parameter type order strictly enforced, except for 2048-4095 * Put this explicitly separate sentence rather than in a in the subordinate clause ("The type-field value also describes the order of these fields in the packet, except..) -- Miika Komu miika@iki.fi http://www.iki.fi/miika/ _______________________________________________ Hipsec mailing list Hipsec@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/hipsec From ima-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jul 28 06:12:22 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dy5NG-00038z-MK; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 06:12:22 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1Dy5N9-00038J-7i for 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