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From tepelmann@testingtech.com Tue Dec 9 08:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC9B13A6B03 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKIJmH1aH4el for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72113A6A13 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:32:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 16:32:29 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9GWTdL022803; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:32:29 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9GWSrp004688; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:32:29 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9GN8pE032533 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:23:09 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9GN3Kw032528 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:23:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to tepelmann@testingtech.com using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 212.227.57.158 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkCADkqPknU4zmegWdsb2JhbACTXgEBFiK9KAGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,741,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67824660" Message-Id: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:19:40 +0100 From: Dirk Tepelmann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: verification tag handling for ootb packets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at intern.testingtech.de Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=tepelmann@testingtech.com; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hello, I have a question about the handling of the verification tag handling in the following situation: No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification tag A and initiate tag B. Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate that the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and take no further action. the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the INIT ACK. However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if it is known. the initiate tag should be used. I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, the verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? Best regards, Dirk -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk Tepelmann Testing Technologies IST GmbH Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 10179 Berlin, Germany Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Tue Dec 9 08:55:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC1F93A6916 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HXNCCTv0orzA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:55:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB2A63A67B0 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:55:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 16:55:19 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9GtJcf003456; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:55:19 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9GtIeD012777; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:55:19 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9Gq42x000657 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:04 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9Gq4Tn000653 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:52:04 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 193.175.24.27 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkCADwxPknBrxgbgWdsb2JhbACTXgEBFiK9JQGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,741,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95018625" CC: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Message-Id: <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> From: Michael Tuexen To: Dirk Tepelmann In-Reply-To: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:50:18 +0100 References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de; dkim=neutral Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailguard.cisco.com id mB9Gq2nJ000650 X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Dirk, if you get INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) and it is OOTB I would send back an ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0). Best regards Michael On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question about the handling of the verification tag > handling in the following situation: > No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification > tag A and initiate tag B. > Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): > > The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with > an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB > packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound > packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the > OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate that > the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, the > receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and > take no further action. > > the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the > INIT ACK. > > However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): > > The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of > the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if > it is known. > > the initiate tag should be used. > > I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your > opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, > the verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? > > Best regards, > Dirk > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dirk Tepelmann > > Testing Technologies IST GmbH > Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 > 10179 Berlin, Germany > > Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com > Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch > Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg > Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 > > This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the > intended > recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact > the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. > From vladislav.yasevich@hp.com Tue Dec 9 08:59:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8450A3A6A65 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:59:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oyuc8l08nn3x for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6778F3A694F for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 08:59:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 16:59:31 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9GxV3i005695; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:59:31 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9GxUk8021843; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:59:30 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9Gvbkt000727 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:57:37 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9Gvbpx000721 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 11:57:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to vladislav.yasevich@hp.com using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 15.216.28.33 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkBAGcyPkkP2BwhlGdsb2JhbACTXgEBAQEJCwgJEQW9HoMH X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,741,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67832424" Message-Id: <493EA31E.4050503@hp.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 11:55:58 -0500 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dirk Tepelmann CC: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> In-Reply-To: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=vladislav.yasevich@hp.com; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Dirk Tepelmann wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question about the handling of the verification tag handling in > the following situation: > No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification tag A > and initiate tag B. > Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): > > The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with > an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB > packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound > packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the > OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate that > the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, the > receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and > take no further action. > > the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the INIT ACK. > > However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): > > The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of > the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if > it is known. You didn't read far enough. The second item is: - If the ABORT is sent in response to an OOTB packet, the endpoint MUST follow the procedure described in Section 8.4. Thus, the text from 8.4 applies and the verification tag is reflected. -vlad > > the initiate tag should be used. > > I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your > opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, the > verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? > > Best regards, > Dirk > From tepelmann@testingtech.com Tue Dec 9 09:14:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61FA93A6B11 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:14:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KmMmVqEJTuhx for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 481563A67E6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:14:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 17:14:44 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9HEicA015515; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:14:44 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9HEhBg027764; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:14:43 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9HCGB0001072 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:12:16 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9HCGN3001068 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:12:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to tepelmann@testingtech.com using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 212.227.57.158 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkCAOw1PknU4zmegWdsb2JhbACTXgEBFiK9JQGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,742,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95024186" Message-Id: <493EA634.2050809@testingtech.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:09:08 +0100 From: Dirk Tepelmann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.18 (Windows/20081105) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <493EA31E.4050503@hp.com> In-Reply-To: <493EA31E.4050503@hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at intern.testingtech.de Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=tepelmann@testingtech.com; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Vlad, hi Michael, On the one side the opinion is that it has to be reflected and the verification tag is the same: 3.3.7: If the Verification Tag is reflected, the T bit MUST be set to 1. Reflecting means that the sent Verification Tag is the same as the received one. On the other side: "if you get INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) and it is OOTB I would send back an ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0)." That's exactly the confusion I was running in reading the RFC. So can we clarify here? Best regards, Dirk Vlad Yasevich wrote: > Dirk Tepelmann wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag handling in >> the following situation: >> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification tag A >> and initiate tag B. >> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >> >> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the >> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate that >> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, the >> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >> take no further action. >> >> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the INIT ACK. >> >> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >> >> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if >> it is known. >> > > You didn't read far enough. The second item is: > - If the ABORT is sent in response to an OOTB packet, the endpoint > MUST follow the procedure described in Section 8.4. > > Thus, the text from 8.4 applies and the verification tag is reflected. > > -vlad > > >> the initiate tag should be used. >> >> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your >> opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, the >> verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? >> >> Best regards, >> Dirk >> >> > > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dirk Tepelmann Testing Technologies IST GmbH Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 10179 Berlin, Germany Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. 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From vladislav.yasevich@hp.com Tue Dec 9 09:32:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE7FB3A6923 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:32:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ekbZVgLrPRx for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8533B3A67E9 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 09:32:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 17:31:55 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9HVtet023521; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:31:55 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9HVsR7002554; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:31:55 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9HSw2t001708 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:28:58 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9HSwrK001704 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:28:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to vladislav.yasevich@hp.com using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 15.192.0.43 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkBAHA5PkkPwAArlGdsb2JhbACTXgEBAQEJCwgJEQW9KgGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,742,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95028226" Message-Id: <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 12:27:18 -0500 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Tuexen CC: Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> In-Reply-To: <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=vladislav.yasevich@hp.com; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Michael Tuexen wrote: > Hi Dirk, > > if you get > INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) > and it is OOTB I would send back an > ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0). Looking at some older BSD code, it looks like it would set the T-Bit. sctp_is_there_an_abort_here() only fills in the vtag for an INIT chunk. -vlad > > Best regards > Michael > On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag handling >> in the following situation: >> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification tag >> A and initiate tag B. >> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >> >> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the >> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate that >> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, the >> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >> take no further action. >> >> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the INIT >> ACK. >> >> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >> >> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if >> it is known. >> >> the initiate tag should be used. >> >> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your >> opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, the >> verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? >> >> Best regards, >> Dirk >> >> -- >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Dirk Tepelmann >> >> Testing Technologies IST GmbH >> Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 >> 10179 Berlin, Germany >> >> Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com >> Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de >> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch >> Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg >> Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 >> >> This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the >> sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or >> disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended >> recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact >> the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. >> > > From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Tue Dec 9 12:26:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7947428C18D for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81oyEaS2ci5h for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AF33A6B52 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 20:26:02 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9KQ3Uw022315; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:26:03 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9KQ207019707; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:26:02 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9KNaxN005971 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:23:36 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9KNafK005967 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:23:36 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 193.175.24.27 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkCAHNiPknBrxgbgWdsb2JhbACTXQEBFiK+EQGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67878108" CC: Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Message-Id: From: Michael Tuexen To: Vlad Yasevich In-Reply-To: <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:21:52 +0100 References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de; dkim=neutral Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailguard.cisco.com id mB9KNYcD005964 X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Vlad, I have not looked at the code, but I think one should try to send an ABORT without the T-bit set when possible. Best regards Michael On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Vlad Yasevich wrote: > Michael Tuexen wrote: >> Hi Dirk, >> >> if you get >> INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) >> and it is OOTB I would send back an >> ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0). > > Looking at some older BSD code, it looks like it would set the T-Bit. > sctp_is_there_an_abort_here() only fills in the vtag for an INIT > chunk. > > -vlad > >> >> Best regards >> Michael >> On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag >>> handling >>> in the following situation: >>> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification >>> tag >>> A and initiate tag B. >>> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >>> >>> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >>> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >>> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >>> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the >>> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate >>> that >>> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, >>> the >>> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >>> take no further action. >>> >>> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the >>> INIT >>> ACK. >>> >>> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >>> >>> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >>> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, >>> if >>> it is known. >>> >>> the initiate tag should be used. >>> >>> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your >>> opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, >>> the >>> verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Dirk >>> >>> -- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Dirk Tepelmann >>> >>> Testing Technologies IST GmbH >>> Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 >>> 10179 Berlin, Germany >>> >>> Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com >>> Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch >>> Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg >>> Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 >>> >>> This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the >>> sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or >>> disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the >>> intended >>> recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please >>> contact >>> the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. >>> >> >> > > From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Tue Dec 9 12:26:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDDC3A69F6 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:26:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uHjb6YUKA4h1 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:26:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A49528C180 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:26:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 20:26:03 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9KQ33b022319; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:26:03 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9KQ2ko000574; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:26:03 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9KMQOT005941 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:22:26 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9KMP7Y005937 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:22:25 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 193.175.24.27 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkCAHNiPknBrxgbgWdsb2JhbACTXQEBFiK+EQGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95073452" CC: sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Message-Id: From: Michael Tuexen To: Dirk Tepelmann In-Reply-To: <493EA634.2050809@testingtech.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:20:43 +0100 References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <493EA31E.4050503@hp.com> <493EA634.2050809@testingtech.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de; dkim=neutral Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailguard.cisco.com id mB9KMOtl005934 X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Dirk, you might want to post the message on tsvwg@ietf.org. Based on the outcome we might add an errata to RFC 4960. Best regards Michael On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:09 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: > Hi Vlad, hi Michael, > > On the one side the opinion is that it has to be reflected and the > verification tag is the same: > 3.3.7: > > If the Verification Tag is reflected, the T > bit MUST be set to 1. Reflecting means that the sent Verification > Tag is the same as the received one. > > On the other side: > "if you get > INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) > and it is OOTB I would send back an > ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0)." > > That's exactly the confusion I was running in reading the RFC. > > So can we clarify here? > > Best regards, > Dirk > > Vlad Yasevich wrote: >> Dirk Tepelmann wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag >>> handling in >>> the following situation: >>> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification >>> tag A >>> and initiate tag B. >>> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >>> >>> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >>> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >>> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >>> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of >>> the >>> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate >>> that >>> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, >>> the >>> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >>> take no further action. >>> >>> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the >>> INIT ACK. >>> >>> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >>> >>> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >>> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag >>> value, if >>> it is known. >>> >> >> You didn't read far enough. The second item is: >> - If the ABORT is sent in response to an OOTB packet, the endpoint >> MUST follow the procedure described in Section 8.4. >> >> Thus, the text from 8.4 applies and the verification tag is >> reflected. >> >> -vlad >> >> >>> the initiate tag should be used. >>> >>> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your >>> opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, >>> the >>> verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Dirk >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dirk Tepelmann > > Testing Technologies IST GmbH > Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 > 10179 Berlin, Germany > > Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com > Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch > Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg > Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 > > This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or > disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the > intended > recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact > the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. > From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Tue Dec 9 12:42:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735A73A6A2C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9JVFt-Ai67NA for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0C13A67FD for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:42:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 20:42:44 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9KgiKe032556; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:42:44 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9KgiGV025729; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:42:44 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9KdhN3006286 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:39:43 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9KdhxN006282 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:39:43 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 193.175.24.27 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AtkCAPdlPknBrxgbgWdsb2JhbACTXQEBFiK+FQGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67882054" CC: Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Message-Id: <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> From: Michael Tuexen To: Vlad Yasevich In-Reply-To: <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:37:43 +0100 References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de; dkim=neutral Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailguard.cisco.com id mB9KdfLC006279 X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Vlad, I would send the packet as stated but would accept it with ABORT(v-tag=B, T-bit=0) or ABORT(v-tag=A, T-bit=1) However, I'm not sure what accepting would mean since the sender of the INIT-ACK normally has not state... I think the best is to bring this up on tsvwg@ietf.org We only added text for the INIT, not the INIT-ACK... Maybe we missed that. Best regards Michael On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Vlad Yasevich wrote: > Michael Tuexen wrote: >> Hi Dirk, >> >> if you get >> INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) >> and it is OOTB I would send back an >> ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0). > > Looking at some older BSD code, it looks like it would set the T-Bit. > sctp_is_there_an_abort_here() only fills in the vtag for an INIT > chunk. > > -vlad > >> >> Best regards >> Michael >> On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag >>> handling >>> in the following situation: >>> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification >>> tag >>> A and initiate tag B. >>> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >>> >>> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >>> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >>> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >>> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the >>> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate >>> that >>> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, >>> the >>> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >>> take no further action. >>> >>> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the >>> INIT >>> ACK. >>> >>> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >>> >>> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >>> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, >>> if >>> it is known. >>> >>> the initiate tag should be used. >>> >>> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your >>> opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, >>> the >>> verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Dirk >>> >>> -- >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Dirk Tepelmann >>> >>> Testing Technologies IST GmbH >>> Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 >>> 10179 Berlin, Germany >>> >>> Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email tepelmann@testingtech.com >>> Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch >>> Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg >>> Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 >>> >>> This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the >>> sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or >>> disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the >>> intended >>> recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please >>> contact >>> the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. >>> >> >> > > From vladislav.yasevich@hp.com Tue Dec 9 13:00:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 608FE3A69FE for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:00:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k-M7dp8TchQT for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:00:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B1E3A6810 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:00:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 20:59:56 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9KxteC011853; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:59:55 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9KxtgR013279; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 20:59:55 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9KuwSe006564 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:58 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9KuwlQ006560 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 15:56:58 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to vladislav.yasevich@hp.com using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 15.216.28.34 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkBAKdqPkkP2BwilGdsb2JhbACTXQEBAQEJCwgJEQW+HAGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95084606" Message-Id: <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 15:55:18 -0500 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Tuexen CC: Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> In-Reply-To: <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=vladislav.yasevich@hp.com; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Michael Tuexen wrote: > Hi Vlad, > > I would send the packet as stated but would accept > it with > ABORT(v-tag=B, T-bit=0) > or > ABORT(v-tag=A, T-bit=1) > > However, I'm not sure what accepting would mean since > the sender of the INIT-ACK normally has not state... > > I think the best is to bring this up on tsvwg@ietf.org > > We only added text for the INIT, not the INIT-ACK... > Maybe we missed that. I don't see what would be gained by using the initiate TAG from the INIT-ACK. It makes sense in the INIT case since INIT has no verification tag set. It makes perfect sense to reflect the verification TAG since TCB doesn't exist and we don't really "know" the peer's tag. To know it, we would have to try to parse the INIT-ACK chunk, which IMO is a waste of time since it's OOTB. I'd say leave it as is since I think 8.5.1 makes is clear: 8.5.1. Exceptions in Verification Tag Rules A) Rules for packet carrying INIT: - The sender MUST set the Verification Tag of the packet to 0. - When an endpoint receives an SCTP packet with the Verification Tag set to 0, it should verify that the packet contains only an INIT chunk. Otherwise, the receiver MUST silently discard the packet. B) Rules for packet carrying ABORT: - The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if it is known. - If the ABORT is sent in response to an OOTB packet, the endpoint MUST follow the procedure described in Section 8.4. The second paragraph from point B refers to what should be done when sending ABORT in response to OOTB. Still not sure what really so confusing. -vlad > > Best regards > Michael > > On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Vlad Yasevich wrote: > >> Michael Tuexen wrote: >>> Hi Dirk, >>> >>> if you get >>> INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) >>> and it is OOTB I would send back an >>> ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0). >> >> Looking at some older BSD code, it looks like it would set the T-Bit. >> sctp_is_there_an_abort_here() only fills in the vtag for an INIT chunk. >> >> -vlad >> >>> >>> Best regards >>> Michael >>> On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag handling >>>> in the following situation: >>>> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with verification tag >>>> A and initiate tag B. >>>> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >>>> >>>> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >>>> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >>>> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >>>> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of the >>>> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate that >>>> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, the >>>> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >>>> take no further action. >>>> >>>> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the INIT >>>> ACK. >>>> >>>> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >>>> >>>> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >>>> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, if >>>> it is known. >>>> >>>> the initiate tag should be used. >>>> >>>> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch your >>>> opinion. What should be the verification tag of the ABORT message, the >>>> verification or the initiate tag of the INIT ACK? >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Dirk >>>> >>>> -- >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Dirk Tepelmann >>>> >>>> Testing Technologies IST GmbH >>>> Michaelkirchstraße 17/18 >>>> 10179 Berlin, Germany >>>> >>>> Phone +49 30 726 19 19 19 Email >>>> tepelmann@testingtech.com >>>> Fax +49 30 726 19 19 20 Internet www.testingtech.de >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> >>>> Geschäftsführung: Theofanis Vassiliou-Gioles, Stephan Pietsch >>>> Handelsregister HRB 77805 B, Amtsgericht Charlottenburg >>>> Ust ID Nr.: DE 813 143 070 >>>> >>>> This e-mail may contain confidential and privileged material for the >>>> sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or >>>> disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the >>>> intended >>>> recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact >>>> the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From bidulock@openss7.org Tue Dec 9 13:17:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49FD93A6B6C for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:17:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DSsIPfWxwwNB for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C1ED3A6B05 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:17:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 21:17:46 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9LHk7H022283; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:17:46 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9LHjqH019304; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:17:45 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9LF9Ik006923 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:15:09 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9LF9Ax006919 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:15:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to bidulock@openss7.org using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 206.75.119.236 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEACxuPknOS3fs/2dsb2JhbADSGIMH X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95090218" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:13:18 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Vlad Yasevich CC: Michael Tuexen , Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Message-Id: <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ DSN-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=bidulock@openss7.org; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Vlad, I think that this case is clearly handled by section 8.4 (8), (the INIT-ACK is clearly an OOTB packet and section 8.4 is clearly referenced as applicable to INIT-ACKs). Therefore, Section 8.4 (8) applies, and states that (when the implementation sends and ABORT--which it SHOULD) the v-tag from the INIT-ACK message must be used and the T bit must be set. There is no need to dig the initiate tag out and in fact doing so might introduce a vulnerability. The proper response is therefore an ABORT with the T-bit set and the v-tag from the INIT-ACK. --brian -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From vladislav.yasevich@hp.com Tue Dec 9 13:28:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39B6A3A6AF5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJvcazTnl-aB for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 499883A6A0B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:28:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 21:28:01 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9LS1K6026447; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:28:01 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9LS0AC021906; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:28:00 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9LOTnO007075 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:24:29 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9LOTYY007071 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:24:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to vladislav.yasevich@hp.com using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 15.201.24.18 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AjkBAINwPkkPyRgSlGdsb2JhbACTXQEBAQEJCwgJEQW9doMH X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67890801" Message-Id: <493EE1A8.70404@hp.com> Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 16:22:48 -0500 From: Vlad Yasevich User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.4 (X11/20070604) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: bidulock@openss7.org CC: Michael Tuexen , Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> In-Reply-To: <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=vladislav.yasevich@hp.com; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Vlad, > > I think that this case is clearly handled by section 8.4 (8), > (the INIT-ACK is clearly an OOTB packet and section 8.4 is > clearly referenced as applicable to INIT-ACKs). Therefore, > Section 8.4 (8) applies, and states that (when the implementation > sends and ABORT--which it SHOULD) the v-tag from the INIT-ACK > message must be used and the T bit must be set. > > There is no need to dig the initiate tag out and in fact doing > so might introduce a vulnerability. > > The proper response is therefore an ABORT with the T-bit set > and the v-tag from the INIT-ACK. > I agree with you. -vlad From bidulock@openss7.org Tue Dec 9 13:30:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C23C28C191 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:30:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nIjMisNmTBiH for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B94B28C18A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 13:30:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 21:30:30 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9LUTIx027369; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:30:30 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9LUThX022908; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 21:30:29 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9LSp6q007211 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:28:51 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9LSpwo007207 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to bidulock@openss7.org using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 206.75.119.236 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHNxPknOS3fs/2dsb2JhbADSGYMH X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67891503" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:28:20 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Vlad Yasevich CC: Michael Tuexen , Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Message-Id: <20081209212820.GA4905@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ DSN-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=bidulock@openss7.org; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Vlad, I checked my implementation and I don't even send ABORTs in response to OOTB INIT-ACK. This reason being is that the INIT-ACK is only properly sent in response to an INIT that I sent. The peer does not have a TCB and can do nothing with the ABORT anyway. If it is simply malformed, I have a T1-init timer running and will reattempt another INIT later. If I send an ABORT, it just opens the door for an attacker to get me to send ABORTs to spoofed IP addresses. Note that 8.4 (8) is a SHOULD on sending the ABORT. For an INIT-ACK, there is a very good reason not to send one and I don't. (But if I did, it would have the T-bit set). --brian On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Vlad, > > I think that this case is clearly handled by section 8.4 (8), > (the INIT-ACK is clearly an OOTB packet and section 8.4 is > clearly referenced as applicable to INIT-ACKs). Therefore, > Section 8.4 (8) applies, and states that (when the implementation > sends and ABORT--which it SHOULD) the v-tag from the INIT-ACK > message must be used and the T bit must be set. > > There is no need to dig the initiate tag out and in fact doing > so might introduce a vulnerability. > > The proper response is therefore an ABORT with the T-bit set > and the v-tag from the INIT-ACK. > > --brian > > -- > Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ > bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ > http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ > ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ > ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ -- Brian F. G. Bidulock ¦ The reasonable man adapts himself to the ¦ bidulock@openss7.org ¦ world; the unreasonable one persists in ¦ http://www.openss7.org/ ¦ trying to adapt the world to himself. ¦ ¦ Therefore all progress depends on the ¦ ¦ unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw ¦ From bidulock@openss7.org Tue Dec 9 14:03:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8ABC28C19B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:03:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e37IxZV4s8fq for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com (rtp-iport-2.cisco.com [64.102.122.149]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A70C528C196 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:03:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 22:02:57 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9M2vmO012547; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:02:57 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9M2uMG022130; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:02:57 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9LxoAX007983 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:59:50 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9LxoDY007979 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 16:59:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to bidulock@openss7.org using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 206.75.119.236 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAMJ4PknOS3fs/2dsb2JhbADSDIMH X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="67900157" Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:58:17 -0700 From: "Brian F. G. Bidulock" To: Vlad Yasevich CC: Michael Tuexen , Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Message-Id: <20081209215817.GB4905@openss7.org> Reply-To: bidulock@openss7.org References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> <493EE1A8.70404@hp.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <493EE1A8.70404@hp.com> Organization: http://www.openss7.org/ DSN-Notification-To: X-Spam-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=bidulock@openss7.org; dkim=neutral X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Vlad, More justification for not sending ABORT in response to OOTB INIT-ACK: The only non-malicious scenario for an OOTB INIT-ACK that I can think of is as follows: Host A sends INIT in response to a user requesting an association to be formed to Host B. A TCB is created at Host A before the INIT is sent. Some time passes without receiving an INIT-ACK. The user abandons the association (closes the socket) and the TCB is destroyed. The INIT-ACK arrives and as there is no TCB, it is OOTB. It should just be discarded. If an ABORT is sent with or without the T-bit set, Host B cannot use it: it has no TCB. The information for setting up a TCB was in the cookie of the INIT-ACK. Therefore, if an ABORT is sent with or without the T-bit set, Host B will simply discard it. So, sending ABORT in response with T-bit set to a spoofed IP address is ok because Host A has already verified that there is no TCB to host B for the v-tag in the ABORT. However, if the initiate tag is used, the initate tag might correspond to an existing association between Host A and Host B, so sending ABORT with no T-bit and the initiate tag creates a vulnerability. If a change to the spec is to be made, it should be to say to discard OOTB INIT-ACKs and not respond with an ABORT at all. --brian On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Vlad Yasevich wrote: > Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > > Vlad, > > > > I think that this case is clearly handled by section 8.4 (8), > > (the INIT-ACK is clearly an OOTB packet and section 8.4 is > > clearly referenced as applicable to INIT-ACKs). Therefore, > > Section 8.4 (8) applies, and states that (when the implementation > > sends and ABORT--which it SHOULD) the v-tag from the INIT-ACK > > message must be used and the T bit must be set. > > > > There is no need to dig the initiate tag out and in fact doing > > so might introduce a vulnerability. > > > > The proper response is therefore an ABORT with the T-bit set > > and the v-tag from the INIT-ACK. > > > > I agree with you. > > -vlad -- Brian F. G. 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As for fame, itsbut the media thought them to be faceless, uninteresting, lacking From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Tue Dec 9 14:35:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 098FD28C19B for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:35:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQIs1Casmano for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F5C628C13A for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:35:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com ([64.102.121.159]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 22:34:52 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-2.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9MYqx0026702; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:34:52 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9MYpWh000916; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:34:52 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9MVjPk008597 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:31:45 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9MVj80008593 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:31:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 193.175.24.27 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIDAOyAPknBrxgbgWdsb2JhbACTXgEBFiK9YgGDBg X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95113305" CC: Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Message-Id: From: Michael Tuexen To: Vlad Yasevich In-Reply-To: <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:30:02 +0100 References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-2; header.From=Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de; dkim=neutral Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailguard.cisco.com id mB9MVhse008590 X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Vlad, OK, I can live with it... So it is ABORT(v-tag=A, T-bit=1) Best regards Michael On Dec 9, 2008, at 9:55 PM, Vlad Yasevich wrote: > Michael Tuexen wrote: >> Hi Vlad, >> >> I would send the packet as stated but would accept >> it with >> ABORT(v-tag=B, T-bit=0) >> or >> ABORT(v-tag=A, T-bit=1) >> >> However, I'm not sure what accepting would mean since >> the sender of the INIT-ACK normally has not state... >> >> I think the best is to bring this up on tsvwg@ietf.org >> >> We only added text for the INIT, not the INIT-ACK... >> Maybe we missed that. > > I don't see what would be gained by using the initiate TAG > from the INIT-ACK. It makes sense in the INIT case since INIT > has no verification tag set. > > It makes perfect sense to reflect the verification TAG since > TCB doesn't exist and we don't really "know" the peer's tag. > To know it, we would have to try to parse the INIT-ACK chunk, > which IMO is a waste of time since it's OOTB. > > I'd say leave it as is since I think 8.5.1 makes is clear: > > 8.5.1. Exceptions in Verification Tag Rules > > A) Rules for packet carrying INIT: > > - The sender MUST set the Verification Tag of the packet to 0. > > - When an endpoint receives an SCTP packet with the Verification > Tag set to 0, it should verify that the packet contains only an > INIT chunk. Otherwise, the receiver MUST silently discard the > packet. > > B) Rules for packet carrying ABORT: > > - The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of > the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag value, > if > it is known. > > - If the ABORT is sent in response to an OOTB packet, the endpoint > MUST follow the procedure described in Section 8.4. > > The second paragraph from point B refers to what should be done when > sending > ABORT in response to OOTB. > > Still not sure what really so confusing. > > -vlad > >> >> Best regards >> Michael >> >> On Dec 9, 2008, at 6:27 PM, Vlad Yasevich wrote: >> >>> Michael Tuexen wrote: >>>> Hi Dirk, >>>> >>>> if you get >>>> INIT-ACK(v-tag=A, initiate_tag=B) >>>> and it is OOTB I would send back an >>>> ABORT(t-tag=B, T-Bit=0). >>> >>> Looking at some older BSD code, it looks like it would set the T- >>> Bit. >>> sctp_is_there_an_abort_here() only fills in the vtag for an INIT >>> chunk. >>> >>> -vlad >>> >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Michael >>>> On Dec 9, 2008, at 5:19 PM, Dirk Tepelmann wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> >>>>> I have a question about the handling of the verification tag >>>>> handling >>>>> in the following situation: >>>>> No association is established. INIT ACK is sent with >>>>> verification tag >>>>> A and initiate tag B. >>>>> Based on RFC4960 chapter 8.4 8): >>>>> >>>>> The receiver should respond to the sender of the OOTB packet with >>>>> an ABORT. When sending the ABORT, the receiver of the OOTB >>>>> packet MUST fill in the Verification Tag field of the outbound >>>>> packet with the value found in the Verification Tag field of >>>>> the >>>>> OOTB packet and set the T bit in the Chunk Flags to indicate >>>>> that >>>>> the Verification Tag is reflected. After sending this ABORT, >>>>> the >>>>> receiver of the OOTB packet shall discard the OOTB packet and >>>>> take no further action. >>>>> >>>>> the verification tag in the ABORT is the verification tag of the >>>>> INIT >>>>> ACK. >>>>> >>>>> However having mind RFC4960 chapter 8.5.1 B): >>>>> >>>>> The endpoint MUST always fill in the Verification Tag field of >>>>> the outbound packet with the destination endpoint's tag >>>>> value, if >>>>> it is known. >>>>> >>>>> the initiate tag should be used. >>>>> >>>>> I'm getting confused with this two statements and want to catch >>>>> your >>>>> opinion. 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If you are not the >>>>> intended >>>>> recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please >>>>> contact >>>>> the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > From Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de Tue Dec 9 14:36:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-sctp-impl-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3307528C126 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:36:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NnSdXa3bun96 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com (rtp-iport-1.cisco.com [64.102.122.148]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E24723A6AA5 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 14:36:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 09 Dec 2008 22:36:33 +0000 Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id mB9MaXug027695; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:36:33 -0500 Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (mailguard.cisco.com [64.102.28.79]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mB9MaXFo012534; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 22:36:33 GMT Received: from mailguard.cisco.com (localhost.cisco.com [127.0.0.1]) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.13.4) with ESMTP id mB9MZIFq008670 for ; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:35:18 -0500 Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by mailguard.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id mB9MZIbr008666 for sctp-impl-filtered; Tue, 9 Dec 2008 17:35:18 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: mailguard.cisco.com: mailnull set sender to Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de using -f X-From-Outside-Cisco: 193.175.24.27 X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-Ironport-Anti-Spam-Result: AkIDAOyAPknBrxgbgWdsb2JhbACTXgEBFiK9YoMH X-Ironport-Av: E=Sophos;i="4.33,743,1220227200"; d="scan'208";a="95114117" CC: Vlad Yasevich , Dirk Tepelmann , sctp-impl@external.cisco.com Message-Id: <6747DDC8-F3DD-4629-AC93-95368FFA389A@micmac.franken.de> From: Michael Tuexen To: bidulock@openss7.org In-Reply-To: <20081209212820.GA4905@openss7.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v929.2) Subject: Re: verification tag handling for ootb packets Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 23:33:35 +0100 References: <493E9A9C.1070702@testingtech.com> <993F3C32-CB1C-46AA-9311-578BD3365560@micmac.franken.de> <493EAA76.70101@hp.com> <4F27E8F7-01E6-4988-A780-9979C1CA47AD@micmac.franken.de> <493EDB36.2080705@hp.com> <20081209211318.GA30908@openss7.org> <20081209212820.GA4905@openss7.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.929.2) Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=Michael.Tuexen@micmac.franken.de; dkim=neutral Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by mailguard.cisco.com id mB9MZHch008660 X-Mailguard-Protected-List: sctp-impl X-Mailguard-Version: 1.2 Hi Brian, I agree... Best regards Michael On Dec 9, 2008, at 10:28 PM, Brian F. G. Bidulock wrote: > Vlad, > > I checked my implementation and I don't even send ABORTs in > response to OOTB INIT-ACK. This reason being is that the > INIT-ACK is only properly sent in response to an INIT that > I sent. The peer does not have a TCB and can do nothing > with the ABORT anyway. If it is simply malformed, I have > a T1-init timer running and will reattempt another INIT > later. If I send an ABORT, it just opens the door for an > attacker to get me to send ABORTs to spoofed IP addresses. > > Note that 8.4 (8) is a SHOULD on sending the ABORT. For an > INIT-ACK, there is a very good reason not to send one and > I don't. (But if I did, it would have the T-bit set). > > --brian > > On Tue, 09 Dec 2008, Brian F. G. 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