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boundary="000000000000b2fb9505d05d342b" Archived-At: Subject: [Secdispatch] Multicast architectures for the web X-BeenThere: secdispatch@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Security Dispatch List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 16:01:11 -0000 --000000000000b2fb9505d05d342b Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a9618305d05d34f1" --000000000000a9618305d05d34f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Regarding draft-krose-multicast-security, I think the most productive step would be to start with an architecture that sits on top of WebTransport in unmodified browsers. WebTransport's support for unreliable datagrams opens up a lot of novel possibilities for application-layer multicast (e.g. holding less state at the splitter, backfiling lost segments directly from the origin), and raises some interesting questions about how to implement content security most naturally. This can all be done without browser changes. If a system like this can be clearly defined, deployed, and measured, I think that greatly increases the likelihood of some of this functionality being moved down into the web itself. There's a long history of page-layer innovations being moved into the browser (e.g. crypto in JS -> WebCrypto, asm.js -> WebAssembly), and experiments with solutions within the page can help us to identify the bottlenecks that really need to be alleviated. --Ben Schwartz --000000000000a9618305d05d34f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Regarding=C2=A0draft-krose-multicast-security, I think the= most productive step would be to start with an architecture that sits on t= op of WebTransport in unmodified browsers.=C2=A0 WebTransport's support= for unreliable datagrams opens up a lot of novel possibilities for applica= tion-layer multicast (e.g. holding less state at the splitter, backfiling l= ost segments directly from the origin), and raises some interesting questio= ns about how to implement content security most naturally.=C2=A0 This can a= ll be done without browser changes.

If a system like thi= s can be clearly defined, deployed, and measured, I think that greatly incr= eases the likelihood of some of this functionality being moved down into th= e web itself.=C2=A0 There's a long history of page-layer innovations be= ing moved into the browser (e.g. crypto in JS -> WebCrypto, asm.js ->= WebAssembly), and experiments with solutions within the page can help us t= o identify the bottlenecks that really need to be alleviated.

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