From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Fri Sep 12 20:26:11 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id UAA03314;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:25:31 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id UAA12633;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:25:26 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id UAA15989
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:12:07 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from THOR.INNOSOFT.COM (SYSTEM@THOR.INNOSOFT.COM [192.160.253.66])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id UAA15969
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:11:56 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from eleanor.innosoft.com ("port 47910"@ELEANOR.INNOSOFT.COM)
 by INNOSOFT.COM (PMDF V5.1-10 #8694)
 with SMTP id <01INJV54VMIY94FWIV@INNOSOFT.COM> for ietf-ssh@clinet.fi; Fri,
 12 Sep 1997 10:11:00 PDT
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:12:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject: SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390
To: IETF Secure Shell list <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Message-id: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970912100148.20346K-100000@eleanor.innosoft.com>
MIME-version: 1.0
Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Originator-Info: login-id=chris; server=thor.innosoft.com
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 404
Lines: 11

Was SSH publicly released before Aug 25, 1995?

It seems that Netscape was just granted a US patent on the idea of the SSL
protocol.  From reading the abstract (at patents.uspto.gov), there might 
be a chance the patent applies to SSH.  If SSH was publicly released
before the filing date, then it should be clear of the patent.  Otherwise
it might be wise to check with a patent lawyer... 

		- Chris


From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Fri Sep 12 21:50:44 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id VAA03869;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:50:21 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id VAA13044;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:50:20 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id VAA25484
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:45:34 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from sgi.sgi.com (SGI.COM [192.48.153.1])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id VAA25461
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:45:22 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from sfik.reading.sgi.com ([144.253.79.44]) by sgi.sgi.com (950413.SGI.8.6.12/970507) via ESMTP id LAA01361; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:45:01 -0700
	env-from (sc@sfik.reading.sgi.com)
Received: by sfik.reading.sgi.com (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI)
	 id TAA08702; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:44:55 +0100
From: "Simon Cooper" <sc@sfik.reading.sgi.com>
Message-Id: <9709121944.ZM8700@sfik.reading.sgi.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:44:52 +0100
In-Reply-To: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
        "SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390" (Sep 12, 10:12am)
References: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970912100148.20346K-100000@eleanor.innosoft.com>
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.2 10apr95 MediaMail)
To: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
Subject: Re: SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390
Cc: ietf-ssh@clinet.fi, Walt Drummond <drummond@sgi.com>,
        Greg <Bossert@sgi.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
	boundary="PART-BOUNDARY=.19709121944.ZM8700.reading.sgi.com"
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 4516
Lines: 136

--
--PART-BOUNDARY=.19709121944.ZM8700.reading.sgi.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:12:59 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
>Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
>
>Was SSH publicly released before Aug 25, 1995?
>
>It seems that Netscape was just granted a US patent on the idea of the SSL
>protocol.  From reading the abstract (at patents.uspto.gov), there might
>be a chance the patent applies to SSH.  If SSH was publicly released
>before the filing date, then it should be clear of the patent.  Otherwise
>it might be wise to check with a patent lawyer...
>
>		   - Chris

   I designed something similar to SSL in early 1994 at Rutgers University, NJ,
USA.  The rough documentation for the system has been publically available
since that time at,

	http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/RUSSL/russl_doc.html

The announcement of what Rutgers had been working on was made to
www-talk@www0.cern.ch on Thu, 21 Jul 94 16:59:51 EDT.  At that time Walt, Greg
and I announced the www-security mailing list.  An old (very out of date)
archive of the list is available at,

	http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/www-security/archives/index.html

I am attaching the list announcement message and the message describing the
location of the RUSSL documentation.

Simon.

-- 

--PART-BOUNDARY=.19709121944.ZM8700.reading.sgi.com
X-Zm-Content-Name: 1
Content-Description: Message
Content-Type: message/rfc822 ; name="1"

>From drummond@aristarchus.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 21 17:00:10 1994
Flags: 000000000001
Received: from ns1.rutgers.edu by hardees.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) 
        id AA19226; Thu, 21 Jul 94 17:00:10 EDT
Received: from aristarchus.rutgers.edu by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) 
        id AA07899; Thu, 21 Jul 94 17:00:07 EDT
Received: by aristarchus.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) 
        id AA16801; Thu, 21 Jul 94 16:59:54 EDT
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 16:59:51 EDT
From: Walt Drummond <drummond@aristarchus.rutgers.edu>
To: www-talk@www0.cern.ch
Cc: www-security@ns1.rutgers.edu
Subject: WWW Security mailing list
Message-Id: <CMM-RU.1.4.774824391.drummond@aristarchus.rutgers.edu>

Hi all:

        Internally, Rutgers has been discussing different methods of
providing secure WWW service.  We've decided to open this discussion
up to the rest of the WWW community, and have created yet another
mailing list.   This list will focus on how to secure HTTP and/or
HTTP-like protocols to provide:

        o Privacy
        o User Authentication
        o Service Certification
        o Document Checking (Digital Signatures)

        and anything that I've forgotten!

To subscribe, send mail with a body of: 

subscribe www-security

to www-security-request@nsmx.rutgers.edu

Messages should be sent to www-security@nsmx.rutgers.edu 
(big surprise, I know.. :)



                                                Walt


_________________________________________________________
Walt Drummond (drummond@noc.rutgers.edu)
Network Services
Rutgers University Computing Services
 - Lost: One mind. Owner sad. Reward.


--PART-BOUNDARY=.19709121944.ZM8700.reading.sgi.com
X-Zm-Content-Name: 2
Content-Description: Message
Content-Type: message/rfc822 ; name="2"

>From scooper@hardees.rutgers.edu Thu Jul 21 17:04:18 1994
Flags: 000000000001
Received: from ns1.rutgers.edu by hardees.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) 
        id AA19419; Thu, 21 Jul 94 17:04:18 EDT
Received: from hacksaw.rutgers.edu by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) 
        id AA08038; Thu, 21 Jul 94 17:04:17 EDT
Received: (from scooper@localhost) by hacksaw.rutgers.edu (8.6.8.1+bestmx/8.6.6) id RAA03769; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 17:01:17 -0400
Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 17:01:17 -0400
From: Simon Cooper <scooper@hardees.rutgers.edu>
Message-Id: <199407212101.RAA03769@hacksaw.rutgers.edu>
To: www-security@ns1.rutgers.edu
Subject: Outline RUSSL document.


   The "really sketchy" version of the RUSSL document is now available via
WWW, the URL is

        http://www-ns.rutgers.edu/~scooper/rucs/russl_doc.html

You can find the ITU (CCITT) series of documents in

        ~scooper/Info.new/docs/ccitt

The IETF documents referenced are in,

        ~scooper/Info.new/docs/ietf

The exact locations of where these documents came from are stored in
.desc.{pag,dir} dir files if you need to refetch them. (I have tools in my
$BIN directory :- "dl" and "describe" that update and access these dbm
files).

Simon.


--PART-BOUNDARY=.19709121944.ZM8700.reading.sgi.com--

From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Fri Sep 12 22:59:56 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id WAA04239;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:58:22 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id WAA13201;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:58:22 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id WAA02846
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:50:53 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id WAA02808
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:50:32 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost)
	by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA16077;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:49:41 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:49:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bradley Dunn <bradley@dunn.org>
X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net
Reply-To: Bradley Dunn <bradley@dunn.org>
To: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
cc: IETF Secure Shell list <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Subject: Re: SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970912100148.20346K-100000@eleanor.innosoft.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.970912154753.15763A-100000@ns2.harborcom.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 318
Lines: 13

On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Chris Newman wrote:

> Was SSH publicly released before Aug 25, 1995?

SSH 1.0.0 appears to have been released on Jul 12, 1995. See
ftp://ftp.cs.hut.fi/pub/ssh/old/

pbd
--
"Seems she thought of me as some mystic, fatalistic, mystical guru
 Me, I haven't got a clue."
	-- Tears for Fears, "Cold"

From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Fri Sep 12 23:47:02 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id XAA04577;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:46:28 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id XAA13314;
	Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:46:28 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA09348
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:44:45 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from poptart.corp.home.net (poptart.svr.home.net [24.0.26.24])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA09251
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 23:43:46 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from borg.eos.home.net ([24.0.16.111]) by poptart.corp.home.net
          (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with ESMTP id AAA6926
          for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:41:51 -0700
Received: (from rja@localhost) by borg.eos.home.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA02725 for ietf-ssh@clinet.fi; Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: rja@corp.home.net (Ran Atkinson)
Message-Id: <970912134150.ZM2723@borg.eos.home.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:41:50 -0700
In-Reply-To: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
        "SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390" (Sep 12, 10:12)
References: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970912100148.20346K-100000@eleanor.innosoft.com>
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (4.0.1 13Jan97)
To: IETF Secure Shell list <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Subject: Re: SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 886
Lines: 22


  Chris makes a good point about the SSL-related patent.

  At least under US law (based on my past painful involvement
with patent lawyers), open publication of the concept by
someone other than the patent filer prior to the filing date is
often sufficient to invalidate the patent.  So it isn't clear that
actual code release is necessary.  One might theorise that SP4
(published by NIST/NBS in the late 1980s) is prior art for the
patent in question.

  It might be sensible to collect prior art related to this and
stuff it online someplace.  John Gilmore kindly maintains such
an online archive for IPsec-related prior art, btw. [I forget
the URL for John's site, so don't bother asking me; sorry].

Ran
rja@home.net

PS:  This list seems amasingly quiet for a nominally active IETF
  WG.  Until Chris' note I had begun to think I must have been
  dropped off the list somehow...
From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Mon Sep 15 00:19:09 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id AAA06947;
	Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:19:08 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id AAA20463;
	Mon, 15 Sep 1997 00:19:08 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id XAA08858
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:58:24 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from ssh.fi (ssh.fi [194.100.44.97])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id XAA08774
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:58:18 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from pilari.ssh.fi (pilari.ssh.fi [192.168.2.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id XAA20403;
	Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:58:16 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from ylo@localhost)
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) id XAA06819;
	Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:57:53 +0300 (EET DST)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:57:53 +0300 (EET DST)
Message-Id: <199709142057.XAA06819@pilari.ssh.fi>
From: Tatu Ylonen <ylo@ssh.fi>
To: Chris Newman <Chris.Newman@INNOSOFT.COM>
Cc: IETF Secure Shell list <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Subject: SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970912100148.20346K-100000@eleanor.innosoft.com>
References: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970912100148.20346K-100000@eleanor.innosoft.com>
Organization: SSH Communications Security, Finland
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 756
Lines: 18

> Was SSH publicly released before Aug 25, 1995?
> 
> It seems that Netscape was just granted a US patent on the idea of the SSL
> protocol.  From reading the abstract (at patents.uspto.gov), there might 
> be a chance the patent applies to SSH.  If SSH was publicly released
> before the filing date, then it should be clear of the patent.  Otherwise
> it might be wise to check with a patent lawyer... 

Yes, SSH-1.0 was publicly released in July 1995.  Early versions
were freely circulated at Helsinki University of Technology even
before that.

    Tatu

-- 
SSH Communications Security	      http://www.ssh.fi/
F-Secure Internet Security Solutions  http://www.datafellows.com/f-secure/
Free Unix SSH                         http://www.cs.hut.fi/ssh/
From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Fri Sep 19 19:03:00 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id TAA04050;
	Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:02:59 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id TAA10999;
	Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:02:58 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id RAA19157
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:55:37 +0300 (EET DST)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from foxhound.cisco.com (foxhound.cisco.com [171.69.192.161])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA19140
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:55:27 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from [171.69.128.118] (fred-hm-dhcp3.cisco.com [171.69.128.118]) by foxhound.cisco.com (8.8.4-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA22051 for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:54:45 -0700 (PDT)
X-Sender: fred@stilton.cisco.com
Message-Id: <v03102811b0475cba8b44@[171.69.128.118]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 07:54:35 -0700
To: ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
From: Fred Baker <fred@cisco.com>
Subject: Costs of Mandatory Key Recovery
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 1656
Lines: 47

If you could email any hard numbers as to expected costs to Don Heath
<heath@isoc.org>, it would be helpful.




>>Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:55:55 -0400
>>From: Philip Webre <philipw.nrd@cbo.gov>
>>To: heath@isoc.org
>>Subject: Costs of Mandatory Key Recovery
>>Content-Disposition: inline
>>
>>As I explained over the telephone, we are trying to estimate
>>the private sector costs associated with mandatory key
>>recovery in the US.  Thursday the House Intelligence
>>Committees passed an amended version of HR 695 that
>>would mandate immediate key recovery in all encryption
>>products sold, imported or distributed in the US after
>>January 31, 2000.  It further imposes this requirement
>>on Internet service providers who provide encryption
>>services when presented by a warrant from a duly authorized
>>law enforcement official.
>>
>>We expect that within an organization like a corporate
>>LAN, key recovery can be mandated in a straight forward
>>manner.  But since the relationship between an ISP
>>and its client is more distant, very different mechanisms
>>and cost structure would surface.  I would be very
>>interested in any information you could provide regarding
>>the costs associated with such a mandate.
>>
>>Address:
>>Philip Webre
>>Congressional Budget Office
>>Natural Resources and Commerce Division
>>495 Ford House Office Bldg.
>>Washington, D.C. 20515
>>Fax Number:  202-226-0207
>>Voice:       202-226-2940
>>Internet:    Philipw@CBO.GOV
>

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"Planning is bringing the future into the present so that you can do
something about it now." Alan Lakein


From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Fri Sep 26 04:56:33 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id EAA25302;
	Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:56:32 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id EAA10526;
	Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:56:32 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id EAA03978
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:50:09 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from toad.com (toad.com [140.174.2.1])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id EAA03937
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Fri, 26 Sep 1997 04:49:39 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA08502; Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:49:20 -0700 (PDT)
Message-Id: <199709260149.SAA08502@toad.com>
X-Authentication-Warning: toad.com: Host localhost [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol
To: IETF Secure Shell list <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>, gnu@toad.com
Subject: Re: SSH and U.S. patent 5,657,390 
In-reply-to: <970912134150.ZM2723@borg.eos.home.net> 
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 18:49:19 -0700
From: John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 347
Lines: 10

>   It might be sensible to collect prior art related to this and
> stuff it online someplace.  John Gilmore kindly maintains such
> an online archive for IPsec-related prior art, btw.

It's http://www.cygnus.com/~gnu/netcrypt.html.

I have added the text of the Netscape SSL patent, and the discussion
from this list, to the site.

	John Gilmore
From owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi  Tue Sep 30 07:26:33 1997
Return-Path: <owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>
Received: from ssh.fi (muuri.ssh.fi [192.168.2.254])
	by pilari.ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.10) with ESMTP id HAA17737;
	Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:26:30 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: from hauki.clinet.fi (root@hauki.clinet.fi [194.100.0.1])
	by ssh.fi (8.8.7/8.8.7/EPIPE-1.12) with ESMTP id HAA26601;
	Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:26:29 +0300 (EET DST)
Received: (from majordom@localhost)
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) id GAA15677
	for ietf-ssh-outgoing; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:22:16 +0200 (EET)
X-Authentication-Warning: hauki.clinet.fi: majordom set sender to owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi using -f
Received: from ns2.harborcom.net (root@ns2.harborcom.net [206.158.4.4])
	by hauki.clinet.fi (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id GAA15670
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:22:11 +0200 (EET)
Received: from localhost (bradley@localhost)
	by ns2.harborcom.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA22449
	for <ietf-ssh@clinet.fi>; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:22:07 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 00:22:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Bradley Dunn <bradley@dunn.org>
X-Sender: bradley@ns2.harborcom.net
To: ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Subject: Revised drafts
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.96.970930002009.16162B-100000@ns2.harborcom.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
Sender: owner-ietf-ssh@clinet.fi
Precedence: bulk
Content-Length: 266
Lines: 12

Hi,

After the last IETF I think I remember talk of revised drafts being
available soon. Any idea on when those will appear?

Thanks,
Brad
--
"Seems she thought of me as some mystic, fatalistic, mystical guru
 Me, I haven't got a clue."
	-- Tears for Fears, "Cold"

