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Thanks for the update, Sergio!

Gently reminding others to please chime in with any additional concerns and
suggestions for improvement to the draft.

Thanks,
Bobo


On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 3:01 AM Sergio murillo <
sergio.garcia.murillo@cosmosoftware.io> wrote:

> Hi Bobo,
>
> Regarding the generic packetization and IDU support, the work has already
> started on the AVTCore group and Youenn and I have already started to
> prepare the initial draft of the generic packetization format.
>
> Best regards
> Sergio
>
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 7:06 PM Bobo <the.bobo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> All,
>>
>> The Chairs have reviewed the discussion of draft-omara-sframe at IETF
>> 109.  While there was some support for adoption, it seems like there are
>> enough people with reservations that we aren't comfortable saying that
>> there is consensus to adopt yet.
>>
>> In the interests of making progress, we'd like to ask those with concerns
>> to let us know what those concerns are.  Some explanation of how you think
>> those concerns might best be addressed would be appreciated.
>>
>> Much of what we heard seemed to be around the generic packetization/IDU
>> implementation, and on fixing or removing the header authentication scheme.
>>
>> Our goal here is to have the next revision of the draft address those
>> concerns.  We hope to raise the question of adoption at that point.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Bobo (for the Chairs)
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>Thanks for the update, Sergio!<div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto">Gently reminding others to please chime in with any=
 additional concerns and suggestions for improvement to the draft.</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"auto">B=
obo</div><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">On Tue, Jan 12, 2021, 3:01 AM Sergio murillo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
ergio.garcia.murillo@cosmosoftware.io">sergio.garcia.murillo@cosmosoftware.=
io</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margi=
n:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">=
Hi Bobo,<div><br></div><div>Regarding the generic=C2=A0packetization and ID=
U support, the work has already started on the AVTCore group and Youenn and=
 I have already started to prepare the initial draft of the generic packeti=
zation format.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards<br></div><div>Sergio</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Fri, Dec 18, 2020 at 7:06 PM Bobo &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:the.bobo@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">the.bobo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wro=
te:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px =
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"=
auto"><div dir=3D"auto">All,<br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">The Chairs have reviewed the discussion of draft-omara-sframe at =
IETF 109.=C2=A0 While there was some support for adoption, it seems like th=
ere are enough people with reservations that we aren&#39;t comfortable sayi=
ng that there is consensus to adopt yet.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">In the interests of making progress, we&#39;d like to ask =
those with concerns to let us know what those concerns are.=C2=A0 Some expl=
anation of how you think those concerns might best be addressed would be ap=
preciated.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">M=
uch of what we heard seemed to be around the generic packetization/IDU impl=
ementation, and on fixing or removing the header authentication scheme.</di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Our goal here is to have th=
e next revision of the draft address those concerns.=C2=A0 We hope to raise=
 the question of adoption at that point.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><=
div dir=3D"auto">Thanks,</div><div dir=3D"auto">Bobo (for the Chairs)</div>=
</div>
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Dear Martin Thomson,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request. 


    sframe Session 1 (1:00 requested)
    Tuesday, 9 March 2021, Session II 1530-1630
    Room Name: Room 2 size: 502
    ---------------------------------------------


iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/110/sessions/sframe.ics

Request Information:


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Working Group Name: Secure Media Frames
Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area
Session Requester: Martin Thomson


Number of Sessions: 1
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  Martin Thomson
  Murray Kucherawy

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It has been a little quiet here lately, but I understand that there are still people working.  The chairs would like your help with making the meeting at IETF 110 successful.

We have a 1 hour at 1530 (UTC+1) on Tuesday (2021-03-02).

The issue that seems most pressing is how the framework interacts with packetization and the way in which we decide what is and isn't protected.  It seems like we have made some progress in that area, but at the last meeting some people were not sufficiently happy with the current state of the documentation.

The chairs would like to spend our meeting time discussing this issue with the goal of resolving on a general strategy that can be documented in a framework document.

If you think that you can help us reach a resolution on this issue, we're seeking volunteers to lead the discussion.  It need not be a single person.

If there are other issues you would like discussed during the meeting, reply to this message with a request.  We will discuss what time we can make available.

For the chairs,
Martin


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> The issue that seems most pressing is how the framework interacts with
> packetization and the way in which we decide what is and isn't protected.
> It seems like we have made some progress in that area, but at the last
> meeting some people were not sufficiently happy with the current state of
> the documentation.
>

- A new draft has been submitted to AVTcore on the matter.I believe Sergio
could present it.

- I believe RichardB@Cisco has also made progress about MLS-Sfrane

- I did not have time to finish a full informal I-D by the 2/22 deadline,
but I have slides and drawings about the big picture, and I would be happy
to present them as a base for discussion.

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On Thu, Feb 25, 2021, at 18:36, Alexandre GOUAILLARD wrote:
> - A new draft has been submitted to AVTcore on the matter.I believe 
> Sergio could present it.

Maybe Sergio could start with a brief introduction of that work here as well.  I don't think that I'm subscribed to avtcore, so I completely missed any mention of that.  We might be able to find time for a presentation too.
 
> - I did not have time to finish a full informal I-D by the 2/22 
> deadline, but I have slides and drawings about the big picture, and I 
> would be happy to present them as a base for discussion.

We'll make sure to get you some time then.  Thanks Dr. Alex.

