From nobody Mon Jun 4 03:12:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44C541267BB for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 03:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IzKiWGZY5fGu for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 03:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44AD9126579 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 03:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nene.ripe.net ([193.0.23.10]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fPmTO-0005bR-Tu for sidrops@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:12:22 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ripe.net ([193.0.20.230] helo=vpn-111.ripe.net) by nene.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fPmTO-0006uH-RF for sidrops@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:12:22 +0200 From: Nathalie Trenaman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A288553A-6BC2-4A87-9BEF-648E5AA9C94E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:12:22 +0200 To: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: b23882c8c47abee4cf35af21618ca92ac85bc172d1636c31a2f5b6d2de1e0660 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] Calling for Beta-testers for RPKI Validator 3.0 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 10:12:26 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A288553A-6BC2-4A87-9BEF-648E5AA9C94E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear colleagues, We=E2=80=99re happy to announce the beta-release of the RIPE NCC RPKI = Validator 3.0, first mentioned during the Open Source Working Group at = RIPE76.=20 We are testing this release ourselves as well, but we would really value = if you are able to test in your own different environments and provide = feedback.=20 You can report issues on GitHub or email certification@ripe.net = .=20 A confirmation that everything works as expected is also very welcome.=20= The main features of the new RIPE NCC RPKI Validator 3.0 are: -ROA validation, export compatible with version 2.x -Re-written in Java to ensure maintainability -Supports incremental updates to routers through the rpki-rtr protocol -Allows running multiple rtr-servers for redundancy -Supports overrides by local filters and white lists=20 -Requires 2GB of server memory -Requires 10GB of disk space for the embedded database for large objects -Open Source BSD Licence and available on GitHub We set up a wiki with all the information about the installation sources = and options, documentation and example configurations in the GitHub = project: https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/rpki-validator-3/wiki = Best regards, Nathalie Trenaman Product Manager RIPE NCC=20= --Apple-Mail=_A288553A-6BC2-4A87-9BEF-648E5AA9C94E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear = colleagues,

We=E2=80=99= re happy to announce the beta-release of the RIPE NCC RPKI Validator = 3.0, first mentioned during the Open Source Working Group at = RIPE76. 

We= are testing this release ourselves as well, but we would really value = if you are able to test in your own different environments and provide = feedback. 
You can report issues on GitHub or = email certification@ripe.net. 
A = confirmation that everything works as expected is also very = welcome. 

The main features of the new RIPE NCC RPKI Validator 3.0 = are:

-ROA = validation, export compatible with version 2.x
-Re-written in Java to ensure maintainability
-Supports incremental updates to routers through the rpki-rtr = protocol
-Allows running multiple rtr-servers for = redundancy
-Supports overrides by local filters and = white lists 
-Requires 2GB of server = memory
-Requires 10GB of disk space for the = embedded database for large objects
-Open Source = BSD Licence and available on GitHub

We set up a wiki with all the = information about the installation sources and options, documentation = and example configurations in the GitHub project:
https://github.com/RIPE-NCC/rpki-validator-3/wiki

Best regards,

Nathalie = Trenaman
Product Manager
RIPE = NCC 
= --Apple-Mail=_A288553A-6BC2-4A87-9BEF-648E5AA9C94E-- From nobody Fri Jun 8 01:49:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D7B3130E35; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 01:49:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152844777600.15376.548970409694036266@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 01:49:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 08:49:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator Authors : Geoff Huston Samuel Weiler George Michaelson Stephen Kent Tim Bruijnzeels Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2018-06-08 Abstract: This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 8 02:02:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D759130E42; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 02:01:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fOUH6ds7i_Nu; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 02:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 72973130E3D; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 02:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titi.ripe.net ([193.0.23.11]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fRDHK-0005DK-V2; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 11:01:50 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=[IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:5009::e1]) by titi.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fRDHK-0008Pl-RR; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 11:01:50 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <152844777600.15376.548970409694036266@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 11:01:27 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17C6DF81-E4F1-4895-994E-D0F4D2A4AFF6@ripe.net> References: <152844777600.15376.548970409694036266@ietfa.amsl.com> To: SIDR Operations WG , sidrops-chairs@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: 784d7acfe6559f2a0b602ec6519a0719ae6631620a0c45b7fa72cd45fe113d96 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:02:00 -0000 Dear WG, co-chairs, This version of the https-tal documents only has one change. I updated = my own affiliation in this document to reflect my new position where I = will start on 1 July. Chairs, please initiate the last call for this document. I got a = =E2=80=9Csounds ok to me=E2=80=9D on 30 April, but no call was made. Thanks Tim=09 > On 8 Jun 2018, at 10:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) = Trust Anchor Locator > Authors : Geoff Huston > Samuel Weiler > George Michaelson > Stephen Kent > Tim Bruijnzeels > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2018-06-08 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 From nobody Fri Jun 8 06:16:04 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5362130EA7; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:16:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wj07-ZJgY-UJ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (relay.ops-netman.net [192.110.255.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A5E7E130EA6; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ops-netman.net (mailserver.ops-netman.net [199.168.90.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BBC3FD54; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from donkey.res.corp.google.com.ops-netman.net (unknown [IPv6:2620:15c:3:50:6bc3:e13c:a8bc:3d9f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 870E83ADD43B; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:15:57 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.ops-netman.net; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=fail (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:15:56 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Morrow To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: SIDR Operations WG , sidrops-chairs@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <17C6DF81-E4F1-4895-994E-D0F4D2A4AFF6@ripe.net> References: <152844777600.15376.548970409694036266@ietfa.amsl.com> <17C6DF81-E4F1-4895-994E-D0F4D2A4AFF6@ripe.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.1 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Operations Network Management, Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-2022-JP Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 13:16:03 -0000 On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 05:01:27 -0400, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > > Dear WG, co-chairs, > > This version of the https-tal documents only has one change. I > updated my own affiliation in this document to reflect my new > position where I will start on 1 July. > ok, great! (and congrats) > Chairs, please initiate the last call for this document. I got a > “sounds ok to me” on 30 April, but no call was made. > done. (in next mail) > Thanks > Tim > > > > > On 8 Jun 2018, at 10:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator > > Authors : Geoff Huston > > Samuel Weiler > > George Michaelson > > Stephen Kent > > Tim Bruijnzeels > > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03.txt > > Pages : 10 > > Date : 2018-06-08 > > > > Abstract: > > This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource > > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 > > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > From nobody Fri Jun 8 06:30:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D3C8130E39; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:30:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152846464123.15396.14579027912013078144@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 06:30:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 13:30:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : RPKI signed object for TAL Authors : Tim Bruijnzeels Carlos Martinez Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2018-06-08 Abstract: Trust Anchor Locators (TALs) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] are used by Relying Parties in the RPKI to locate and validate Trust Anchor certificates used in RPKI validation. This document defines an RPKI signed object [RFC6488] for a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) that can be used by Trust Anchors to perform a planned migration to a new key, allowing Relying Parties to discover the new key up to one year after the migration occurred. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 8 06:38:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B79130EA6 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:38:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tIThshTICHoO for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A2500130EA3 for ; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nene.ripe.net ([193.0.23.10]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fRHae-0003lA-5Q for sidrops@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:38:04 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=[IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:5009::e1]) by nene.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fRHae-0000V8-1q; Fri, 08 Jun 2018 15:38:04 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <152846464123.15396.14579027912013078144@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2018 15:37:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0EF21785-2C8B-4148-90DB-13C528FAFB40@ripe.net> References: <152846464123.15396.14579027912013078144@ietfa.amsl.com> To: SIDR Operations WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: 784d7acfe6559f2a0b602ec6519a071995a536cff90e97ffbe43f82aaf7a1afd Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 13:38:09 -0000 Dear WG, This a new version of the =E2=80=9CSigned TAL=E2=80=9D document that I = presented on at IETF101. The main changes in this version are: - Now supporting planned rolls only! - MAJOR change here: =E2=80=94 No staging time! =E2=80=94 BUT: Added steps for the TA to be sure that things work = BEFORE publishing the new Signed TAL (I think this is better). - Included deployment considerations - essentially: once RPs support, = roll often! - Do changes in URIs as planned rolls.. - included consideration section = on this - No unplanned rolls, they are too complex and introduce a new key that = can be compromised (now you have two problems) - included consideration = section on this - Changed the structure of the object to have a version (definitely = needed) and use ASN.1 structure rather than plain text or XML - inline = with other RPKI Signed Objects - I included a =E2=80=9CactivationTime=E2=80=9D element in the object to = allow for future planned rolls, but I am not convinced that it=E2=80=99s = really needed given the proposed procedure to set up the new key and = test it first, and only then publish the Signed TAL - But, I don=E2=80=99t= object strongly either. As I said in London. I don=E2=80=99t think that we are close to the = final word on this.. so I really would like to invite all of you to give = this a good read and speak your mind. I do want to keep the ball rolling. I think the experience with 5011 has = shown that this should be addressed before there are too many = implementations. So, I see urgency to address this. Kind regards, Tim > On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : RPKI signed object for TAL > Authors : Tim Bruijnzeels > Carlos Martinez > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2018-06-08 >=20 > Abstract: > Trust Anchor Locators (TALs) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] are used = by > Relying Parties in the RPKI to locate and validate Trust Anchor > certificates used in RPKI validation. This document defines an RPKI > signed object [RFC6488] for a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) that can be > used by Trust Anchors to perform a planned migration to a new key, > allowing Relying Parties to discover the new key up to one year = after > the migration occurred. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 From nobody Fri Jun 8 06:45:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D447130EAE; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:45:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K2MpIGepAeb1; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (relay.ops-netman.net [192.110.255.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 17B47126CC7; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:45:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ops-netman.net (mailserver.ops-netman.net [199.168.90.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by relay.kvm02.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57EE03FD54; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from donkey.res.corp.google.com.ops-netman.net (unknown [IPv6:2620:15c:3:50:6bc3:e13c:a8bc:3d9f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0EFC53AEC05C; Fri, 8 Jun 2018 13:45:11 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.ops-netman.net; dkim=none reason="no signature"; dkim-adsp=fail (unprotected policy); dkim-atps=neutral Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 09:45:10 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Morrow To: sidrops@ietf.org,sidrops-chairs@ietf.org,sidrops-ads@ietf.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.1 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Operations Network Management, Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 - ENDS 22 June 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jun 2018 13:45:17 -0000 Howdy Gentle Folks, The authors of: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 would like the WG to consider a WGLC of their document, abstract: "This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL." Please have a read through the document and send along comments/questions/additions/subtractions so the authors can amend if required with the intent to move this document along the proper path in short order. thanks! -chris co-chair From nobody Sat Jun 9 22:54:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD76130E09; Sat, 9 Jun 2018 22:54:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T7NXc2NV_xZn; Sat, 9 Jun 2018 22:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-110.mail.aliyun.com (out20-110.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.110]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5B8C130E07; Sat, 9 Jun 2018 22:54:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.08938929|-1; CH=green; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e01e01534; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=4; RT=4; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.CB-bdsu_1528610040; Received: from 192.168.3.3(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net fp:SMTPD_---.CB-bdsu_1528610040) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.42.16); Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:54:02 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 13:54:00 +0800 Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Chris Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 - ENDS 22 June 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 05:54:15 -0000 I support the publication of this document. Yet the key words section of this document is supposed to use the = following the description: The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and =A1=B0OPTIONAL=A1=B1 in this document are to be interpreted as = described in BCP 14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear = in all capitals, as shown here. Besides, I suggest changing =A1=AEan rsync URI [RFC5781], or an HTTPS URI [RFC7230]' into=20 =A1=AEeither an rsync URI [RFC5781], or an HTTPS URI [RFC7230]' in Section 2.1 Trust Anchor Locator Format. The single OR could lead to a different comprehending logically. Di Ma RPSTIR https://bgpsecurity.net > =D4=DA 2018=C4=EA6=D4=C28=C8=D5=A3=AC21:45=A3=ACChris Morrow = =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA >=20 >=20 > Howdy Gentle Folks, >=20 > The authors of: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 would like the WG to > consider a WGLC of their document, abstract: >=20 > "This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL." >=20 > Please have a read through the document and send along > comments/questions/additions/subtractions so the authors can amend if > required with the intent to move this document along the proper path > in short order. >=20 > thanks! > -chris > co-chair >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Sun Jun 10 00:52:22 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9B0130E20 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:52:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Y1P8FNErep4 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-39.mail.aliyun.com (out20-39.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6261E130DDA for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 00:52:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.0751539|-1; CH=green; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e01l01425; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=2; RT=2; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.CB19yxp_1528617127; Received: from 192.168.3.3(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net fp:SMTPD_---.CB19yxp_1528617127) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.41.158); Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:52:09 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: <0EF21785-2C8B-4148-90DB-13C528FAFB40@ripe.net> Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 15:52:07 +0800 Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <92C4B82E-FD84-4278-B423-4F0D12D533F5@rpstir.net> References: <152846464123.15396.14579027912013078144@ietfa.amsl.com> <0EF21785-2C8B-4148-90DB-13C528FAFB40@ripe.net> To: Tim Bruijnzeels X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 07:52:21 -0000 Tim, I think you might as well leave =E2=80=98activationTime=E2=80=99 as = OPTIONAL element since it is sorta an operational strategy in this = document intended to be a BCP. If so, the first MUST in the following = text should be change to MAY. The Signed TAL MUST have an "activationTime" that reflects when=09 Relying Parties MUST use use this new TAL in place of any=09= previously known TAL for this Trust Anchor. Besides, it is lovely to see =E2=80=98deployment considerations=E2=80=99 = included in this version and I am in favor of what is stated in it. Di P.S. I found a nit in Section 6.1 that The sentence =E2=80=98The Trust = Anchors MUST a new key pair and generate a new TA Certificate. =E2=80=98 = just missed a verb =E2=80=98generate=E2=80=99. > =E5=9C=A8 2018=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C21:37=EF=BC=8CTim = Bruijnzeels =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 > Dear WG, >=20 > This a new version of the =E2=80=9CSigned TAL=E2=80=9D document that I = presented on at IETF101. >=20 > The main changes in this version are: > - Now supporting planned rolls only! > - MAJOR change here: > =E2=80=94 No staging time! > =E2=80=94 BUT: Added steps for the TA to be sure that things work = BEFORE publishing the new Signed TAL (I think this is better). > - Included deployment considerations - essentially: once RPs support, = roll often! > - Do changes in URIs as planned rolls.. - included consideration = section on this > - No unplanned rolls, they are too complex and introduce a new key = that can be compromised (now you have two problems) - included = consideration section on this > - Changed the structure of the object to have a version (definitely = needed) and use ASN.1 structure rather than plain text or XML - inline = with other RPKI Signed Objects > - I included a =E2=80=9CactivationTime=E2=80=9D element in the object = to allow for future planned rolls, but I am not convinced that it=E2=80=99= s really needed given the proposed procedure to set up the new key and = test it first, and only then publish the Signed TAL - But, I don=E2=80=99t= object strongly either. >=20 > As I said in London. I don=E2=80=99t think that we are close to the = final word on this.. so I really would like to invite all of you to give = this a good read and speak your mind. >=20 > I do want to keep the ball rolling. I think the experience with 5011 = has shown that this should be addressed before there are too many = implementations. So, I see urgency to address this. >=20 > Kind regards, >=20 > Tim >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >>=20 >> Title : RPKI signed object for TAL >> Authors : Tim Bruijnzeels >> Carlos Martinez >> Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt >> Pages : 12 >> Date : 2018-06-08 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Trust Anchor Locators (TALs) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] are used = by >> Relying Parties in the RPKI to locate and validate Trust Anchor >> certificates used in RPKI validation. This document defines an RPKI >> signed object [RFC6488] for a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) that can be >> used by Trust Anchors to perform a planned migration to a new key, >> allowing Relying Parties to discover the new key up to one year = after >> the migration occurred. >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal/ >>=20 >> There are also htmlized versions available at: >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Sun Jun 10 02:25:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21803130E2B for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:25:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.609 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.609 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=instituut-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uWq7cjuGCvR3 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:25:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm0-x22c.google.com (mail-wm0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3F80130E2A for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:25:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id r15-v6so9730356wmc.1 for ; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:25:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=instituut-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=vidd3bRtNMHPJ9U6YP95rhOKiT50WI+lKWoAAcFyBPE=; b=bfII9rcN2nGnCXPMd7OPipjRFmIrPGzezmuidV4ta+OWj4hcLWKGvpAllAAigRWPCo m2FuODtoEw43d3JZ4cJQOH7rZz5sLYGLNxdJqI/O0+1XSiRz7L+5xdyOOOSbE9ZJ+OX6 SK42mo/n6R8oiVFf92dYJ5chpjJfsZfVJu2w1elv1uYQ2GCad+aOq5VWhiKx0+4UjAAc 4LttoAo6hxvkXOQMZnB24FtGF/f3JbFsNBU1GOERKxM6aWF6hyANuvmsV4/TDza3edzX hmn2FLd+zoGPjVIKADY1NPcf1X7dHQvE9x/3tGHowLuLItG6b3MjnjHzrZ0Iw9CS6T6D mtsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=vidd3bRtNMHPJ9U6YP95rhOKiT50WI+lKWoAAcFyBPE=; b=pCe51WVlXXQMKuK0bvdKciQSK6JtWyNXJ64ny1fgQGyJ8bANm5Bmz55aJL0Fq4YWC0 00OMmswAR57lTKNUNwy9VnWjmIumIx+9iuCk8y9eMXR18SL3SrgQI8On97k9VTxVF/+M H7X9m1iBNTsZQJY7E8BmhgvuNUJr5rKon1JmaWiWkIZplcus65ZPaP01YRIlQe/zkoFg iyOhk3g1vQAHm55zX/q8dDy2e7o6g2iyf2SJXm90T/Az7lS6qDCi4h5acHP+owcyXw23 79TQZ4wGOKw3yprVU8JMXmb4+gVQs5U0XcodbZDTdxTebPPstxmE42aZtHfsQPzhqJ4E l6vw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E09eNE4/sDHkRl5+4wQlrXZ6R9mVInZi3m2m6tWdOOhlMtx0Ogo 98IHRDB+igXwNVb/UlPQGHVRn93QLfE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIjEciiXYFS7xkg1KZwWvu/DszZUSQwxCVSCL9fbGPcs79r+hbatJArSvVn9US9R5DaK2g9vA== X-Received: by 2002:a50:8ad5:: with SMTP id k21-v6mr5181142edk.36.1528622710127; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vurt.meerval.net (vurt.meerval.net. [192.147.168.22]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h2-v6sm7831298edq.6.2018.06.10.02.25.08 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Sun, 10 Jun 2018 02:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (vurt.meerval.net [local]) by vurt.meerval.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id c019836a; Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:25:08 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:25:08 +0000 From: Job Snijders To: Chris Morrow Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Message-ID: <20180610092508.GB30348@vurt.meerval.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 - ENDS 22 June 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 09:25:15 -0000 On Fri, Jun 08, 2018 at 09:45:10AM -0400, Chris Morrow wrote: > The authors of: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 would like the WG to > consider a WGLC of their document, abstract: > > "This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL." > > Please have a read through the document and send along > comments/questions/additions/subtractions so the authors can amend if > required with the intent to move this document along the proper path > in short order. Read. I support publication. Nits: 1/ "one of more" should perhaps be "one or more"? 2/ OLD: "However, a MITM can perform withhold or replay attacks targeting a Relying Party and keep the Relying Party from learning about an update CA certificate." PERHAPS: "However, a MITM attack can be performed to prevent the Relying Party from learning about an updated CA certificate." Kind regards, Job From nobody Wed Jun 13 01:43:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359DC130E0A; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:43:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b2kUj-CQDvFk; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:43:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [185.49.140.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3517130E05; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:43:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:110:bcfd:17a3:ae54:36f9] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:110:bcfd:17a3:ae54:36f9]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53DDE845E; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:43:40 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=none header.from=nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1528879420; bh=Hv3RlAKpleZJzDwf2HVv9yZMjSmSL3f9olc74Skjwyk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Xba3tUCt997JUraCbKqByb5HSyxOxlwzsgElhgbnE8MgV4hKUsLDTL4Dp/4HZQDZU QIEkLahzclwLOERHw5pkr7LwbA+eZ2wtmX/CKn7DxkvWKMFYm2v+lePrSidAb5xFV3 65qNEejjaCTKLSvqJVoxPJ6/gJ1xtEIcszN5csHY= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <20180610092508.GB30348@vurt.meerval.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:43:36 +0200 Cc: Chris Morrow , sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180610092508.GB30348@vurt.meerval.net> To: Job Snijders X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 - ENDS 22 June 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:43:46 -0000 Hi Job, all, First off: I will be offline for the coming two weeks until 2 July, so = don=E2=80=99t take lack of responses from me personally ;) I realise = this not convenient during last call but other co-authors can comment as = well of course. > On 10 Jun 2018, at 11:25, Job Snijders wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Jun 08, 2018 at 09:45:10AM -0400, Chris Morrow wrote: >> The authors of: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-03 would like the WG to >> consider a WGLC of their document, abstract: >>=20 >> "This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource >> Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 >> by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL." >>=20 >> Please have a read through the document and send along >> comments/questions/additions/subtractions so the authors can amend if >> required with the intent to move this document along the proper path >> in short order. >=20 > Read. I support publication. >=20 > Nits: >=20 > 1/ "one of more" should perhaps be "one or more=E2=80=9D? ack >=20 > 2/ OLD: "However, a MITM can perform withhold or replay attacks > targeting a Relying Party and keep the Relying Party from learning = about > an update CA certificate." >=20 > PERHAPS: "However, a MITM attack can be performed to prevent the = Relying > Party from learning about an updated CA certificate.=E2=80=9D >=20 I am okay with your text, but the =E2=80=98OLD=E2=80=99 text is more = explicit about how the MITM can affect the RP. This text was mostly = stolen from the delta protocol: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8182#section-4.3 And that went through some revisions in the IESG. I don=E2=80=99t have strong feelings either way as long as it=E2=80=99s = clear to readers. Kind regards, Tim > Kind regards, >=20 > Job >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 From nobody Wed Jun 13 01:52:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB47C130EB2 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:52:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OMsRDlvBi-R6 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [185.49.140.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67E36130E05 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 01:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:110:bcfd:17a3:ae54:36f9] (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:110:bcfd:17a3:ae54:36f9]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E297184CB; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:51:55 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=none header.from=nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1528879915; bh=he1pdWnm0izYlvrTdRvFLidZ7vs9EJlR4IRB2dqk314=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Xo8wxhj0F547vsfK32/n5lc27ZoSStd7AiihLluiYAEVcdbP/NbleSIKCjx11S9x/ oFR//XCX4EPAbgK/Dnw0TWrd2JCIsCI+UHYuSyUNBzq4cus6sSY/5K6nxNeRna/Pot U9XFePq8JEkLrRsh83Njj3vTQQuY8Dx+K+p3Gb00= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.4 \(3445.8.2\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <92C4B82E-FD84-4278-B423-4F0D12D533F5@rpstir.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 10:51:51 +0200 Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <152846464123.15396.14579027912013078144@ietfa.amsl.com> <0EF21785-2C8B-4148-90DB-13C528FAFB40@ripe.net> <92C4B82E-FD84-4278-B423-4F0D12D533F5@rpstir.net> To: Di Ma X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.8.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 08:52:06 -0000 Hi Di, I prefer to have =E2=80=9CactivationTime=E2=80=9D either be mandatory, = in which case it=E2=80=99s fairly trivial to set it to =E2=80=98now=E2=80=99= or =E2=80=982 minutes ago=E2=80=99 even when one publishes, or not have = it all and say that =E2=80=98activation=E2=80=99 is implicit because the = Signed TAL is published. This really depends on whether there is a good case for future dating. Personally I don=E2=80=99t see this use case from the RP side. I would = rather that I can just find whatever the TA thinks is the current TAL = variables to use and switch to it immediately if they are different from = mine. =46rom the TA side I think that if a TA does its testing and set up as = described in section 6, before publishing the Signed TAL, then there is = also no need for future dating. The other issue I have with future dating is that I believe it makes = things easy to reason about if there MAY be one, but only one, Signed = TAL that describes the current TAL variables (URIs and Subject Public = Key Info) to use. Having a future dated object, but no current, is = confusing. Having two is more work and a bit confusing. But if someone else does see a good case for future dating I would be = happy to learn it. Tim > On 10 Jun 2018, at 09:52, Di Ma wrote: >=20 > Tim, >=20 > I think you might as well leave =E2=80=98activationTime=E2=80=99 as = OPTIONAL element since it is sorta an operational strategy in this = document intended to be a BCP. If so, the first MUST in the following = text should be change to MAY. >=20 > The Signed TAL MUST have an "activationTime" that reflects when=09 > Relying Parties MUST use use this new TAL in place of any=09= > previously known TAL for this Trust Anchor. >=20 > Besides, it is lovely to see =E2=80=98deployment considerations=E2=80=99= included in this version and I am in favor of what is stated in it. >=20 > Di >=20 > P.S. >=20 > I found a nit in Section 6.1 that The sentence =E2=80=98The Trust = Anchors MUST a new key pair and generate a new TA Certificate. =E2=80=98 = just missed a verb =E2=80=98generate=E2=80=99. >=20 >> =E5=9C=A8 2018=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C21:37=EF=BC=8CTim = Bruijnzeels =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >>=20 >> Dear WG, >>=20 >> This a new version of the =E2=80=9CSigned TAL=E2=80=9D document that = I presented on at IETF101. >>=20 >> The main changes in this version are: >> - Now supporting planned rolls only! >> - MAJOR change here: >> =E2=80=94 No staging time! >> =E2=80=94 BUT: Added steps for the TA to be sure that things work = BEFORE publishing the new Signed TAL (I think this is better). >> - Included deployment considerations - essentially: once RPs support, = roll often! >> - Do changes in URIs as planned rolls.. - included consideration = section on this >> - No unplanned rolls, they are too complex and introduce a new key = that can be compromised (now you have two problems) - included = consideration section on this >> - Changed the structure of the object to have a version (definitely = needed) and use ASN.1 structure rather than plain text or XML - inline = with other RPKI Signed Objects >> - I included a =E2=80=9CactivationTime=E2=80=9D element in the object = to allow for future planned rolls, but I am not convinced that it=E2=80=99= s really needed given the proposed procedure to set up the new key and = test it first, and only then publish the Signed TAL - But, I don=E2=80=99t= object strongly either. >>=20 >> As I said in London. I don=E2=80=99t think that we are close to the = final word on this.. so I really would like to invite all of you to give = this a good read and speak your mind. >>=20 >> I do want to keep the ball rolling. I think the experience with 5011 = has shown that this should be addressed before there are too many = implementations. So, I see urgency to address this. >>=20 >> Kind regards, >>=20 >> Tim >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >>> This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >>>=20 >>> Title : RPKI signed object for TAL >>> Authors : Tim Bruijnzeels >>> Carlos Martinez >>> Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt >>> Pages : 12 >>> Date : 2018-06-08 >>>=20 >>> Abstract: >>> Trust Anchor Locators (TALs) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] are used = by >>> Relying Parties in the RPKI to locate and validate Trust Anchor >>> certificates used in RPKI validation. This document defines an RPKI >>> signed object [RFC6488] for a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) that can be >>> used by Trust Anchors to perform a planned migration to a new key, >>> allowing Relying Parties to discover the new key up to one year = after >>> the migration occurred. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal/ >>>=20 >>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>>=20 >>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>>=20 >>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sidrops mailing list >>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Jun 13 05:56:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11219130F82 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3Z56tIc6-MC for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-49.mail.aliyun.com (out20-49.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4EC97130F36 for ; Wed, 13 Jun 2018 05:56:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.06444536|-1; CH=green; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e01l07440; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=2; RT=2; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.CCdUSBR_1528894549; Received: from 192.168.3.3(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net fp:SMTPD_---.CCdUSBR_1528894549) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.42.197); Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:55:51 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:55:49 +0800 Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <900F9022-F488-4BCE-A72C-33FEEB4E31FE@rpstir.net> References: <152846464123.15396.14579027912013078144@ietfa.amsl.com> <0EF21785-2C8B-4148-90DB-13C528FAFB40@ripe.net> <92C4B82E-FD84-4278-B423-4F0D12D533F5@rpstir.net> To: Tim Bruijnzeels X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:56:16 -0000 Tim, > =E5=9C=A8 2018=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=8813=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C16:51=EF=BC=8CTim = Bruijnzeels =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 > Hi Di, >=20 > I prefer to have =E2=80=9CactivationTime=E2=80=9D either be mandatory, = in which case it=E2=80=99s fairly trivial to set it to =E2=80=98now=E2=80=99= or =E2=80=982 minutes ago=E2=80=99 even when one publishes, or not have = it all and say that =E2=80=98activation=E2=80=99 is implicit because the = Signed TAL is published. >=20 > This really depends on whether there is a good case for future dating. Yes indeed. The use case matters here. >=20 > Personally I don=E2=80=99t see this use case from the RP side. I would = rather that I can just find whatever the TA thinks is the current TAL = variables to use and switch to it immediately if they are different from = mine. I think it=E2=80=99s important for an RP to determine whether it is = ready to use the new TA in case of a planned roll.=20 I can=E2=80=99t help but see the parallels when the dnsop item =E2=80=98A = Root Key Trust Anchor Sentinel for DNSSEC=E2=80=99 occurs to me. >=20 > =46rom the TA side I think that if a TA does its testing and set up as = described in section 6, before publishing the Signed TAL, then there is = also no need for future dating. >=20 > The other issue I have with future dating is that I believe it makes = things easy to reason about if there MAY be one, but only one, Signed = TAL that describes the current TAL variables (URIs and Subject Public = Key Info) to use. Having a future dated object, but no current, is = confusing. Having two is more work and a bit confusing. Agreed. >=20 > But if someone else does see a good case for future dating I would be = happy to learn it. Let=E2=80=99s expect good case:-) Di >=20 > Tim >=20 >=20 >> On 10 Jun 2018, at 09:52, Di Ma wrote: >>=20 >> Tim, >>=20 >> I think you might as well leave =E2=80=98activationTime=E2=80=99 as = OPTIONAL element since it is sorta an operational strategy in this = document intended to be a BCP. If so, the first MUST in the following = text should be change to MAY. >>=20 >> The Signed TAL MUST have an "activationTime" that reflects when=09 >> Relying Parties MUST use use this new TAL in place of any=09= >> previously known TAL for this Trust Anchor. >>=20 >> Besides, it is lovely to see =E2=80=98deployment considerations=E2=80=99= included in this version and I am in favor of what is stated in it. >>=20 >> Di >>=20 >> P.S. >>=20 >> I found a nit in Section 6.1 that The sentence =E2=80=98The Trust = Anchors MUST a new key pair and generate a new TA Certificate. =E2=80=98 = just missed a verb =E2=80=98generate=E2=80=99. >>=20 >>> =E5=9C=A8 2018=E5=B9=B46=E6=9C=888=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C21:37=EF=BC=8CTim = Bruijnzeels =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >>>=20 >>> Dear WG, >>>=20 >>> This a new version of the =E2=80=9CSigned TAL=E2=80=9D document that = I presented on at IETF101. >>>=20 >>> The main changes in this version are: >>> - Now supporting planned rolls only! >>> - MAJOR change here: >>> =E2=80=94 No staging time! >>> =E2=80=94 BUT: Added steps for the TA to be sure that things work = BEFORE publishing the new Signed TAL (I think this is better). >>> - Included deployment considerations - essentially: once RPs = support, roll often! >>> - Do changes in URIs as planned rolls.. - included consideration = section on this >>> - No unplanned rolls, they are too complex and introduce a new key = that can be compromised (now you have two problems) - included = consideration section on this >>> - Changed the structure of the object to have a version (definitely = needed) and use ASN.1 structure rather than plain text or XML - inline = with other RPKI Signed Objects >>> - I included a =E2=80=9CactivationTime=E2=80=9D element in the = object to allow for future planned rolls, but I am not convinced that = it=E2=80=99s really needed given the proposed procedure to set up the = new key and test it first, and only then publish the Signed TAL - But, I = don=E2=80=99t object strongly either. >>>=20 >>> As I said in London. I don=E2=80=99t think that we are close to the = final word on this.. so I really would like to invite all of you to give = this a good read and speak your mind. >>>=20 >>> I do want to keep the ball rolling. I think the experience with 5011 = has shown that this should be addressed before there are too many = implementations. So, I see urgency to address this. >>>=20 >>> Kind regards, >>>=20 >>> Tim >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 8 Jun 2018, at 15:30, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >>>>=20 >>>> Title : RPKI signed object for TAL >>>> Authors : Tim Bruijnzeels >>>> Carlos Martinez >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01.txt >>>> Pages : 12 >>>> Date : 2018-06-08 >>>>=20 >>>> Abstract: >>>> Trust Anchor Locators (TALs) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] are used = by >>>> Relying Parties in the RPKI to locate and validate Trust Anchor >>>> certificates used in RPKI validation. This document defines an = RPKI >>>> signed object [RFC6488] for a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) that can = be >>>> used by Trust Anchors to perform a planned migration to a new key, >>>> allowing Relying Parties to discover the new key up to one year = after >>>> the migration occurred. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal/ >>>>=20 >>>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>>>=20 >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-01 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >>>>=20 >>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sidrops mailing list >>>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sidrops mailing list >>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Jun 27 09:06:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABBAF130DFC for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 09:06:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZuT_bYQzuEbQ for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 09:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8FC76130E19 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 09:06:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fYCxy-00017G-2x for sidrops@ietf.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:06:46 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 09:06:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: SIDR Operations WG References: <153011547181.15374.18013567882540379012.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 16:06:50 -0000 apologies for such a quick update to -01. but we were lucky enough to get a serious security review from steve bellovin. randy A new version of I-D, draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Randy Bush and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal Revision: 01 Title: Origin Validation Signaling Document date: 2018-06-27 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 6 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01 Abstract: Within a trust boundary, e.g. an operator's PoP, it may be useful to have only a few central devices do full Origin Validation using the Resource Public Key Infrastructure, and be able to signal to an internal sender that a received route fails Origin Validation. E.g. route reflectors could perform Origin Validation for a cluster and signal back to a sending client that it sent an invalid route. 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charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2018 20:32:48 -0000 > SIDROPS will meet at IETF-102 on Monday, July 16th from 1:30 pm - 3:30 > pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris and > me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chairs > by Friday morning (07/13/2018). Slides received after the deadline may > not be available for use during the meeting. i would appreciate 10-15 minutes to discuss draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01 i do NOT plan to present it. folk who want to discuss it and/or have questions MUST have read it beforehand. randy From nobody Wed Jun 27 13:34:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84759130E2A for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 13:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=netorgft1331857.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ciaww4PhYf3k for ; 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I think about 10 minutes should do it. cheers -george On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:34 AM, Keyur Patel wrote: > Done. Thanks. > > Regards, > Keyur > > =EF=BB=BFOn 6/27/18, 1:32 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: > > > SIDROPS will meet at IETF-102 on Monday, July 16th from 1:30 pm - 3= :30 > > pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris a= nd > > me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the cha= irs > > by Friday morning (07/13/2018). Slides received after the deadline = may > > not be available for use during the meeting. > > i would appreciate 10-15 minutes to discuss > > draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01 > > i do NOT plan to present it. folk who want to discuss it and/or have > questions MUST have read it beforehand. > > randy > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Jun 27 15:33:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29308130E37 for ; Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Thu, 28 Jun 2018 06:57:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: aa@highloadlab.com Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c16:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2018 06:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [95.143.124.62] In-Reply-To: References: <6065B77B-9981-4273-82CD-A13C3151EA24@arrcus.com> From: Alexander Azimov Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 16:57:22 +0300 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 2yXcdj2zu-xcYJqnc6JttFP0eJ0 Message-ID: To: Keyur Patel Cc: George Michaelson , "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004b465d056fb41c4a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:57:26 -0000 --0000000000004b465d056fb41c4a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to reserve 15 minutes for: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-azimov-sidrops-aspa-profile/ https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-azimov-sidrops-aspa-verification/ 2018-06-28 1:33 GMT+03:00 Keyur Patel : > Done. Thanks. > > Regards, > Keyur > > > On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:32 PM, George Michaelson wrote= : > > > > I have been asked by my RIR colleagues to talk about modified > > validation deployment planning. I think about 10 minutes should do it. > > > > cheers > > > > -george > > > >> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:34 AM, Keyur Patel wrote: > >> Done. Thanks. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Keyur > >> > >> =EF=BB=BFOn 6/27/18, 1:32 PM, "Randy Bush" wrote: > >> > >>> SIDROPS will meet at IETF-102 on Monday, July 16th from 1:30 pm - 3:3= 0 > >>> pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris and > >>> me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chair= s > >>> by Friday morning (07/13/2018). Slides received after the deadline ma= y > >>> not be available for use during the meeting. > >> > >> i would appreciate 10-15 minutes to discuss > >> > >> draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01 > >> > >> i do NOT plan to present it. folk who want to discuss it and/or ha= ve > >> questions MUST have read it beforehand. > >> > >> randy > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sidrops mailing list > >> Sidrops@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --=20 | Alexander Azimov | HLL l QRATOR | tel.: +7 499 241 81 92 | mob.: +7 915 360 08 86 | skype: mitradir | mailto: aa@qrator.net | visit: www.qrator.net --0000000000004b465d056fb41c4a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2018-06-28 1:33 GMT+03:00 Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>= :
Done. Thanks.

Regards,
Keyur

> On Jun 27, 2018, at 3:32 PM, George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> wrote:
>
> I have been asked by my RIR colleagues to talk about modified
> validation deployment planning. I think about 10 minutes should do it.=
>
> cheers
>
> -george
>
>> On Thu, Jun 28, 2018 at 6:34 AM, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:
>> Done. Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Keyur
>>
>> =EF=BB=BFOn 6/27/18, 1:32 PM, "Randy Bush" <randy@psg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> SIDROPS will meet at IETF-102 on Monday, July 16th from 1:30 p= m - 3:30
>>> pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Ch= ris and
>>> me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to th= e chairs
>>> by Friday morning (07/13/2018). Slides received after the dead= line may
>>> not be available for use during the meeting.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 i would appreciate 10-15 minutes to discuss
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ymbk-sidrops-ov-signal-01 >>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 i do NOT plan to present it.=C2=A0 folk who want to d= iscuss it and/or have
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 questions MUST have read it beforehand.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 randy
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Sidrops mailing list
>> Sidrops@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sid= rops
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I was not aware of this draft. Of course, we should mention it. Let's discuss if there is something that is needed to be exported to ASPA-profile or if we need a merge. 2018-06-29 1:18 GMT+03:00 Randy Bush : > alexander, > > ggm has pointed out some solid prior art, > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-huston-sidr-aao-profile-03 > > at a minimum, it should be cited. > > i am quite willing to step off the masthead if ggm or geoff want my > place > > randy > -- | Alexander Azimov | HLL l QRATOR | tel.: +7 499 241 81 92 | mob.: +7 915 360 08 86 | skype: mitradir | mailto: aa@qrator.net | visit: www.qrator.net --0000000000006d330a056fc74b67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, important notice. I was not aware of this draft.= Of course, we should mention it.=C2=A0
Let's discuss if ther= e is something that is needed to be exported to ASPA-profile or if we need = a merge.

2018-06-29 1:18 GMT+03:00 Randy Bush <randy@psg.com>:
alexander,

ggm has pointed out some solid prior art,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://tools.ietf.org/htm= l/draft-huston-sidr-aao-profile-03

at a minimum, it should be cited.

i am quite willing to step off the masthead if ggm or geoff want my
place

randy



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--0000000000006d330a056fc74b67-- From nobody Fri Jun 29 06:35:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7F8130E5B; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:35:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.81.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153027932808.30273.1351738789798164314@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:35:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:35:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : RPKI Certificate Tree Validation by the RIPE NCC RPKI Validator Authors : Oleg Muravskiy Tim Bruijnzeels Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-06-29 Abstract: This document describes the approach to validate the content of the RPKI certificate tree, as it is implemented in the RIPE NCC RPKI Validator. This approach is independent of a particular object retrieval mechanism. This allows it to be used with repositories available over the rsync protocol, the RPKI Repository Delta Protocol, and repositories that use a mix of both. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Jun 29 07:00:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1945130EEF; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oT6Js6vuE29Q; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [193.0.19.113]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 568BD130F0D; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 06:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from titi.ripe.net ([193.0.23.11]) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fYtwE-0004ql-MA; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:59:50 +0200 Received: from hound.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:1::c100:13b]) by titi.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fYtwD-0006dp-DS; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:59:49 +0200 Received: from oleg by hound.ripe.net with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fYtwD-0007Pc-Ad; Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:59:49 +0200 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 15:59:49 +0200 From: Oleg Muravskiy To: sidrops@ietf.org Cc: sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation@ietf.org Message-ID: <20180629135949.GA22196@hound.ripe.net> References: <153027932808.30273.1351738789798164314@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <153027932808.30273.1351738789798164314@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: c408758d4ce2e8eb06762a65a3365b74d5a08199ffb4170de6951cf4e8db03af Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2018 13:59:59 -0000 Dear WG, Since the WGLC for this document ended back in December, and there were no objections, we'd like to finally publish it. I brought it back from expiration with this new version; the only difference is Tim's new affiliation. Dear Chairs, Could you please move this document further? Thanks, Oleg On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 06:35:28AM -0700, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. > > Title : RPKI Certificate Tree Validation by the RIPE NCC RPKI Validator > Authors : Oleg Muravskiy > Tim Bruijnzeels > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02.txt > Pages : 16 > Date : 2018-06-29 > > Abstract: > This document describes the approach to validate the content of the > RPKI certificate tree, as it is implemented in the RIPE NCC RPKI > Validator. This approach is independent of a particular object > retrieval mechanism. This allows it to be used with repositories > available over the rsync protocol, the RPKI Repository Delta > Protocol, and repositories that use a mix of both. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-rpki-tree-validation-02 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > -- Oleg Muravskiy RIPE NCC