From nobody Mon Oct 1 08:41:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 524B1130DE1; Mon, 1 Oct 2018 08:41:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.85.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <153840850028.21705.1054738696332918389@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 08:41:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-04.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Oct 2018 15:41:41 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Use Cases for Localized Versions of the RPKI Author : Randy Bush Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-04.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2018-10-01 Abstract: There are a number of critical circumstances where a localized routing domain needs to augment or modify its view of the Global RPKI. This document attempts to outline a few of them. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-lta-use-cases-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Oct 11 03:49:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45D20130DE5; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.86.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:49:07 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:49:08 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator Authors : Geoff Huston Samuel Weiler George Michaelson Stephen Kent Tim Bruijnzeels Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2018-10-11 Abstract: This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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[89.98.91.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e21-v6sm7662341edb.22.2018.10.11.03.59.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 03:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:59:28 +0200 Cc: i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> To: SIDR Operations WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 10:59:37 -0000 Dear WG, I asked for last call on a previous version of this document back in = April, but it got stuck somehow However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section at = the start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The idea = is that this section can be used to provide some additional information = to operators. I want to ask the WG to consider first. If there are no major concerns = then I will ask the co-chairs to initiate last call. Kind regards, Tim > On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >=20 > Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) = Trust Anchor Locator > Authors : Geoff Huston > Samuel Weiler > George Michaelson > Stephen Kent > Tim Bruijnzeels > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt > Pages : 10 > Date : 2018-10-11 >=20 > Abstract: > This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Oct 11 09:43:00 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8251E130EBB; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:42:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6c2yyzoTG_f9; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A2D8130EB8; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:42:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gAe34-0007NC-L3; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:42:54 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:42:54 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: SIDR Operations WG , i-d-announce@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:42:59 -0000 > However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section at > the start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The > idea is that this section can be used to provide some additional > information to operators. or at least that subset of operators who read tals before breakfast. or, to put it less snarkily, if the information is actually of ops use, burying it in a tal is a bit obscure. randy From nobody Thu Oct 11 11:23:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53252130ECF for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEhX-uteqw-u for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x835.google.com (mail-qt1-x835.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::835]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 197BC1200D7 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x835.google.com with SMTP id l9-v6so11002233qtf.5 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:23:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=DGUllJAvwsVI+NsYfgZxbFKlQF/SBFU/ENyaAOZjHEA=; b=KrgYSzsfXqsofrFuwhkngDMS7FOgGlJxU2J688gn1kQgTLAch3Ob3ZMINqEvib93Lp URF75Mzwbw1YwxElIClr0fmgisobvN25i7ndx6K7l4lCednIv4tbamcY/DtogCrt6lIj 99gqUwBYgDc5WgnePy3vrWLDlkimZApcF/uAA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=DGUllJAvwsVI+NsYfgZxbFKlQF/SBFU/ENyaAOZjHEA=; b=hLhb6VpGx/c+M76ljZgHAVwBhiOo9ISmdvy312Sq1P+n01lJqzniJ0rDunoRY88hER O5M7GpkCP9tXr1TjTsOYr9vaqq+kgUTCPFDoujLzHuxJNWihMgH+6EaAgUY6mi+ykva0 MNagW9HYQfA2St3tDua/r36DdvmqwW3VaOATV7QYz0TGolE2FxRgNbm3A6vzCcq6JT0y ke+oTxFVg7G5B4ZGgw9X3T17GmsJMxh5L7OKGAnXognzbb92zR7s0ZSrcBIp3Lzl11vw IMDjKwwxzM3tJexFkH/mHc0kxj8Z/DB7VVGBdlfVsbx5MMafMyt4VL2+0C3qwXL99ax9 gz1w== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohZ/B2Lhv0mDcShSl3qSySdNUIcsB1UoElAw+e/7KgA5D0kDnUo Ek4WfBCpeq+Kb+77vkKaeidfFdphJlM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63q51Mf6Q9KxHx6jgGV3zr1A2r9BRRZMzdwRi2lAiccZY5aAtNlHoDP75YKl9UdtgMfYpgvGQ== X-Received: by 2002:a0c:d12a:: with SMTP id a39mr2698045qvh.69.1539282232194; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.18] ([96.231.224.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y7-v6sm11784802qkf.38.2018.10.11.11.23.51 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:23:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: <592A4AF7-3E8F-45F9-82A2-F47AFC1359D8@sn3rd.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:23:50 -0400 To: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] WGLC request for draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying-00 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:23:54 -0000 Hi, this draft has been around for a while in sidr though it is only a -00 = draft in sidroprs and I believe is ready for WGLC. Could I humbly ask = the chairs to confer and decide whether this draft should enter WGLC. 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[89.98.91.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f21-v6sm1209807ejc.74.2018.10.11.12.00.17 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:00:18 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:00:10 +0200 Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <947130EE-13CA-403B-ADC3-2F76FEE0DBCE@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:00:43 -0000 Hi Randy, This seems easy enough to parse or ignore. This MUST NOT prompt user = actions, but might be shown in a log file or even UI. It might help some = people concerned with showing restrictions or other info. So, this seems = easy enough to me, and not harmful. But I am not married to this. Tim > On 11 Oct 2018, at 18:42, Randy Bush wrote: >=20 >> However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section = at >> the start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The >> idea is that this section can be used to provide some additional >> information to operators. >=20 > or at least that subset of operators who read tals before breakfast. >=20 > or, to put it less snarkily, if the information is actually of ops = use, > burying it in a tal is a bit obscure. >=20 > randy >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:11:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD8C126DBF for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RhajMb6VKRCe for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4E5312008A for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gAgMb-0003gf-6Z; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:11:13 +0000 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:11:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: <947130EE-13CA-403B-ADC3-2F76FEE0DBCE@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> <947130EE-13CA-403B-ADC3-2F76FEE0DBCE@nlnetlabs.nl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:11:16 -0000 hi tim, > This seems easy enough to parse or ignore. This MUST NOT prompt user > actions, but might be shown in a log file or even UI. It might help > some people concerned with showing restrictions or other info. So, > this seems easy enough to me, and not harmful. But I am not married to > this. oh. more rir legal bumph. got it. randy From nobody Thu Oct 11 12:16:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 302A3127598 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.121 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.121 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_NEUTRAL=0.779, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs-nl.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o9pFSU8fPzY6 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com (mail-ed1-x532.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D57D0126DBF for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id z21-v6so9290177edb.11 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nlnetlabs-nl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0RxBT1/xEGSrAMbfdZIJygE9Q6VGOJ/s+mtCtVctzjk=; b=Dt+E1iTxUAlPTY7YTz2n4swPfiUIQuBGTgj+0z8P6CmYnEbJhpFbcEy5CyruExrSBu lwvgUdXNTZ/t5FfSdRZY0/xAOElXLv57t2lhGmELm5kwmV12SaVmljgGzSphOEvSNngD fG1lAlB1w1kHirOe7gXZofywb4yjk30ypJyxUSpjUv+F0STBIVtu4iVlxPnro2gdb1Zo q5G9OcOi3dUyYMyh4LS0wt3WlXS7y9tMu4vWRNsymaNGF+z1H4aqrGLauIU/XTi2Hr5X RvA3zRLSVDpoOfHRIqx+6eTr6Ibt4hl+SGbLDhJrShgtnAwuMNf0THnyUOnhEjPeWSAv QzGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=0RxBT1/xEGSrAMbfdZIJygE9Q6VGOJ/s+mtCtVctzjk=; b=XW9TlgnDMNCvB46JHFuRVoJy6UIbdd/ZsrUF27raEE43KUmQgr8jnM8n0KW3Je8nxO 5sXwyGHaA9uxeTqIy/3fvwEtoercQamiPKKX77zxWV9xs667VE+AtJ9OES2dxuOBWEj4 rjzXppqHM5zOGrBW7Irr9M5sUgclmjY1reeOMKaQHReXN/Ddrcm/JQf2QPolBbFzHhCz sMZstq6XGVoImT1SIWNioBUmtYQCcNGWWbxh7kV622swZ9KPA950Ip+5Yt0OQNt3PdkI JxHXemhzE6rpC6OV64wUGzmhM8S3D3LeHIO9q8mDQFpDijwca2YAe1Fm/2hqXBBBkX55 Kogw== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogbyMWL33E7JVzD1Y1IwKD4bcEo4loxYHUao/w7APx6U/DRUOUM 3i9+KkeB3hh7pODneUjBynBUyw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62XO/dmOvEdSlVPsCLwO8tj1Od+lxtTSiHI4J1xI0COpxyOZc8BYdqkY0XywnxAJBM6YuORqA== X-Received: by 2002:a50:862e:: with SMTP id o43-v6mr4758788edo.209.1539285410280; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.192.27] (dhcp-089-098-091-015.chello.nl. [89.98.91.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d13-v6sm8690690eda.51.2018.10.11.12.16.49 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 12:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:16:48 +0200 Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3787A56E-1539-4462-852B-A48E41B543C8@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> <947130EE-13CA-403B-ADC3-2F76FEE0DBCE@nlnetlabs.nl> To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 19:16:53 -0000 That=E2=80=99s one application. And this could offer a pragmatic way = forward. I am not thrilled, but would rather show text, then not be = allowed to include TALs. But again I am not married to this, it=E2=80=99s = easy enough to take out again. > On 11 Oct 2018, at 21:11, Randy Bush wrote: >=20 > hi tim, >=20 >> This seems easy enough to parse or ignore. This MUST NOT prompt user >> actions, but might be shown in a log file or even UI. It might help >> some people concerned with showing restrictions or other info. So, >> this seems easy enough to me, and not harmful. But I am not married = to >> this. >=20 > oh. more rir legal bumph. got it. >=20 > randy From nobody Thu Oct 11 15:33:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91C73128BAC for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:33:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q_x6Pt4rrGRd for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:3::22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18B63129619 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gAjWH-000GYa-K6 (job@us.ntt.net) for sidrops@ietf.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:33:26 +0000 Received: by mail-ot1-f48.google.com with SMTP id 14so6561372oth.2 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:33:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohCwtwOdtEVdDRSD1iEMzvhfSnHLTGFKEiiiLd2VfF6fd7O/D21 xB/NiA+YXiWJ/t7a/8pjKnmsFmUeNt4VBNs/ZW2dcg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV62DCqy/KKCzajDALHfAAQf9KWearx76RycjPmVV6ZDDn+KakntVLyjFBUEj+E70+ZlQtw3ZXqD+QL6C4tqH6TY= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6318:: with SMTP id q24mr2328137otk.55.1539297203660; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:33:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Job Snijders Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 07:33:12 +0900 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: SIDR Operations WG , i-d-announce@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000073f180577fb8fe8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:33:31 -0000 --000000000000073f180577fb8fe8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, The comment character will *maybe* help unblock some distribution issues that some are facing in the North American region. Kind regards, Job On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 19:59 Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > Dear WG, > > I asked for last call on a previous version of this document back in > April, but it got stuck somehow > > However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section at the > start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The idea is that > this section can be used to provide some additional information to > operators. > > I want to ask the WG to consider first. If there are no major concerns > then I will ask the co-chairs to initiate last call. > > Kind regards, > > Tim > > > > > > On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust > Anchor Locator > > Authors : Geoff Huston > > Samuel Weiler > > George Michaelson > > Stephen Kent > > Tim Bruijnzeels > > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt > > Pages : 10 > > Date : 2018-10-11 > > > > Abstract: > > This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource > > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 > > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --000000000000073f180577fb8fe8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

The comment character will *maybe* help unblock some distribu= tion issues that some are facing in the North American region.
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Kind regards,

Job

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 19:59 Tim Bruijnzeels &l= t;tim@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote:
Dear WG,

I asked for last call on a previous version of this document back in April,= but it got stuck somehow

However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section at the = start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The idea is that= this section can be used to provide some additional information to operato= rs.

I want to ask the WG to consider first. If there are no major concerns then= I will ask the co-chairs to initiate last call.

Kind regards,

Tim




> On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
>
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dir= ectories.
> This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0: Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: G= eoff Huston
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Samuel Weiler
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0George Michaelson
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Stephen Kent
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tim Bruijnzeels
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-= ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0: 10
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 : 2018-10-11
>
> Abstract:
>=C2=A0 This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resou= rce
>=C2=A0 Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI).=C2=A0 This document obsoletes = RFC 7730
>=C2=A0 by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/= draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ie= tf-sidrops-https-tal-05
> https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05
>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff= ?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05
>
>
> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of subm= ission
> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >
> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
>
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As it stands, the design of the repository fetch systems is heading to single points of failure because Rsync is a very poor fit for anycast distribution (no commercial entities I know of are offering it as a service, where all of them offer HTTP(S) as a matter of course) Please can we close on this draft, because its the simple, obvious change to permit the TAL to be formally distributed by scaleable mechanisms, and helps point a way out of what I feel is a major operational design flaw. The comments section has potential for people who are trapped behind legal disclaimer issues. I understand some of you feel paying attention to this is wrong, but it does not (to my mind) directly harm the overall intend of the proposal to adopt HTTP(S) as a carrier/transport to the data. (speaking as a co-author) -George On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:33 AM Job Snijders wrote: > > Hi, > > The comment character will *maybe* help unblock some distribution issues that some are facing in the North American region. > > Kind regards, > > Job > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 19:59 Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: >> >> Dear WG, >> >> I asked for last call on a previous version of this document back in April, but it got stuck somehow >> >> However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section at the start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The idea is that this section can be used to provide some additional information to operators. >> >> I want to ask the WG to consider first. If there are no major concerns then I will ask the co-chairs to initiate last call. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Tim >> >> >> >> >> > On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> > >> > >> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. >> > This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >> > >> > Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) Trust Anchor Locator >> > Authors : Geoff Huston >> > Samuel Weiler >> > George Michaelson >> > Stephen Kent >> > Tim Bruijnzeels >> > Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt >> > Pages : 10 >> > Date : 2018-10-11 >> > >> > Abstract: >> > This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource >> > Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 >> > by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. >> > >> > >> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ >> > >> > There are also htmlized versions available at: >> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >> > >> > A diff from the previous version is available at: >> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >> > >> > >> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission >> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> > >> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Sidrops mailing list >> > Sidrops@ietf.org >> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Oct 15 22:34:20 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DD21292AD for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S5INFJdufiBL for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x12b.google.com (mail-it1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32F90128D68 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id p64-v6so30745335itp.0 for ; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:34:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=kVwLLLQsjytDH7UC3U1p+Ru24Cfu6L7SOtUUcSiMJ6g=; b=MZ4QciTaHgow5CWcjfxrmZVOoE8Q563PFITCcriLrmw0ULVixSWTyXRRikCx7etgb/ 1mOKYFqEp/sy1JIFB3BVYdCk1aJVFE/yskNh3CBCZg3M0hfasEsRiGOp410Ob7tzW4HY J8BVBndRXNoOX605/Afpg44I6rMxAlseiSAqO6m6RvpBawKTsjTokh/nJImoQsBTrVCm wPaDsI1HRdPG3iCDYTJFPvuSsfEOSg+pLuVCv9pW9tYH9VKQbJNk1DG0DgOgRLK93dpl 5KW6XWoQFfth9o7A5D/jqnQapC5nqLjV0PMKskoql+Ucs8B+hhUeSshfIHC+1FLA/fhv hVig== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kVwLLLQsjytDH7UC3U1p+Ru24Cfu6L7SOtUUcSiMJ6g=; b=mEudVvN4zjYc3P9fLTwFJuHaTXuhB6CgIleTBw+wjwvAJ51+XvbtzCjueoSnTFpRdp P+HzP6R7+2q95lGqoQ9z3Ypysf6luAvGSU4fvLyvfsoV7Fas77I0qs0nSvLwmh3+A8Tv ncpu9k0VW6PoacpzLuBUkXJ2m5q+KpgEVdlhYIVHcbEEoX74RY+TPytjX422IV8kAKC9 Nac9vQw4bU0LCdEmhGDyycJ+0qUsf8WA+IigvUhWBlEEdDvNA1yXFItM6KORTU0+5jnu OiS3NBsPKfinqUYc+pc9JBxfEbYUN1O7Ld4qS0IglvEeHOTOnUhgvXBgGInukts1/mcp bYmg== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoicOomY8wOpxRInb6HaTIsS6soEN/+/RWt6r/FCGUdrDPajukzW 6AEoELkdsYMvCFWT9q4BLvXOnXof0abjK03KcAM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61uDhb+dbeXqqk3NrxU+HBdpWs8LUuFQzgCusQWShF4tPlaVy7q6vA4XCy5zH3ZrldR3f32H27MigQZC8c/cjA= X-Received: by 2002:a24:5cb:: with SMTP id 194-v6mr14653655itl.139.1539668055190; Mon, 15 Oct 2018 22:34:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <592A4AF7-3E8F-45F9-82A2-F47AFC1359D8@sn3rd.com> In-Reply-To: <592A4AF7-3E8F-45F9-82A2-F47AFC1359D8@sn3rd.com> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 01:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: To: Sean Turner Cc: sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000806fcb057851e768" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC request for draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying-00 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2018 05:34:18 -0000 --000000000000806fcb057851e768 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Yes! apologies for not reading WG mail :( shortly you will see a WGLC mail. On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:24 PM Sean Turner wrote: > Hi, > > this draft has been around for a while in sidr though it is only a -00 > draft in sidroprs and I believe is ready for WGLC. Could I humbly ask the > chairs to confer and decide whether this draft should enter WGLC. > > Cheers, > > spt > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --000000000000806fcb057851e768 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes! apologies for not reading WG mail :( shortly you will= see a WGLC mail.

On T= hu, Oct 11, 2018 at 2:24 PM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:
Hi= ,

this draft has been around for a while in sidr though it is only a -00 draf= t in sidroprs and I believe is ready for WGLC. Could I humbly ask the chair= s to confer and decide whether this draft should enter WGLC.

Cheers,

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Howdy W= G folks:

=C2=A0Please consider this the start of the WGLC for:=C2=A0= =C2=A0draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying

Ab= stract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0BGPsec-speaking routers are provisioned with privat= e keys in order to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0sign BGPsec announcements.=C2=A0 = The corresponding public keys are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0published in the g= lobal Resource Public Key Infrastructure, enabling
=C2=A0 =C2=A0v= erification of BGPsec messages.=C2=A0 This document describes two methods
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of generating the public-private key-pairs: router-dr= iven and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0operator-driven.

N= ote, as was noted on-list, this document was formerly:
=C2=A0=C2=A0https://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-16

At last check in SIDR this document was 'ok', and waiting on a fe= w references which are now submitted upstream... So, let's read/discuss= /comment and decide!

Hope to see your horror-filled-comme= nts/decisions before HallowScream! :)
-chris
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([2001:67c:64:42:a52e:7aab:9310:9a3]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 18-v6sm6333969edt.34.2018.10.17.01.07.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:06:58 +0200 Cc: Job Snijders , SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <125B578D-B8B7-4A7B-91E5-3CFDE29967CB@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> To: George Michaelson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:07:05 -0000 Hi, > On 12 Oct 2018, at 08:53, George Michaelson wrote: >=20 > We need to deploy processes for TAL and repository fetch and > synchronisation which can move to CDN. As it stands, the design of the > repository fetch systems is heading to single points of failure > because Rsync is a very poor fit for anycast distribution (no > commercial entities I know of are offering it as a service, where all > of them offer HTTP(S) as a matter of course) >=20 > Please can we close on this draft, because its the simple, obvious > change to permit the TAL to be formally distributed by scaleable > mechanisms, and helps point a way out of what I feel is a major > operational design flaw. >=20 > The comments section has potential for people who are trapped behind > legal disclaimer issues. I understand some of you feel paying > attention to this is wrong, but it does not (to my mind) directly harm > the overall intend of the proposal to adopt HTTP(S) as a > carrier/transport to the data. I doubt very much that this will address the issues that ARIN sees, but = one can hope. But I see value in having comments when handling test TALs, and when TA = key rolls become a thing (update on this coming in a few days). Having = some comments as a hint to what / which key this TAL is about is helpful = - I do not like guessing this from URIs or file names. This is mainly = serving RP software developers in deciding which TALs to bundle, and = people doing research. I understand that normal operators will most = likely never see the TAL. On the other side, I do not see any clear harm. Ignoring a bunch of = lines starting with =E2=80=98#=E2=80=99 is trivial and RP software needs = to be updated anyway to handle the =E2=80=98https=E2=80=99 case. All this being said, I do not want this to block progress on the main = effort here which is to include https on TALs. Tim >=20 > (speaking as a co-author) >=20 > -George > On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 12:33 AM Job Snijders wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> The comment character will *maybe* help unblock some distribution = issues that some are facing in the North American region. >>=20 >> Kind regards, >>=20 >> Job >>=20 >> On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 19:59 Tim Bruijnzeels = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Dear WG, >>>=20 >>> I asked for last call on a previous version of this document back in = April, but it got stuck somehow >>>=20 >>> However, this version -05 now includes an optional comments section = at the start of the TAL file, which was suggested to me off list. The = idea is that this section can be used to provide some additional = information to operators. >>>=20 >>> I want to ask the WG to consider first. If there are no major = concerns then I will ask the co-chairs to initiate last call. >>>=20 >>> Kind regards, >>>=20 >>> Tim >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On 11 Oct 2018, at 12:49, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >>>> This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. >>>>=20 >>>> Title : Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI) = Trust Anchor Locator >>>> Authors : Geoff Huston >>>> Samuel Weiler >>>> George Michaelson >>>> Stephen Kent >>>> Tim Bruijnzeels >>>> Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt >>>> Pages : 10 >>>> Date : 2018-10-11 >>>>=20 >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource >>>> Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 >>>> by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal/ >>>>=20 >>>> There are also htmlized versions available at: >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >>>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >>>>=20 >>>> A diff from the previous version is available at: >>>> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >>>>=20 >>>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >>>> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sidrops mailing list >>>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sidrops mailing list >>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Oct 17 01:09:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F3C130934 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:09:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UHjGRnnbPm7f for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:3::22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1D821128CF3 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:09:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gCgt9-000GcO-TR (job@us.ntt.net) for sidrops@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:09:07 +0000 Received: by mail-oi1-f177.google.com with SMTP id u74-v6so20328412oia.11 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:09:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogJMHxq2EEYVTKxNozc+cnxdzNuAI+Ytsfw2hDDoAccoDeBU52N 8j459UXD+SQKiyHd0AAJ59t6nZLa8YUH10FmTiX6fQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60wrbSIVHNb/L9a0IbcoOC2Rkov4aNZXsZkbqdko8/dz+Mpvb45Lx6647YE1Ts06l3g/RMUqWaYhygbiZfk3sQ= X-Received: by 2002:a54:4d8b:: with SMTP id y11-v6mr13961224oix.168.1539763747338; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:09:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> <125B578D-B8B7-4A7B-91E5-3CFDE29967CB@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: <125B578D-B8B7-4A7B-91E5-3CFDE29967CB@nlnetlabs.nl> From: Job Snijders Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:08:54 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: George Michaelson , SIDR Operations WG , Job Snijders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:09:09 -0000 Perhaps it is time for WG LC? I'd support that From nobody Wed Oct 17 01:16:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A723E130934 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ABiPdTzI0zT for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x42f.google.com (mail-wr1-x42f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4207D129AB8 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:16:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42f.google.com with SMTP id l6-v6so28139056wrt.1 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:16:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=b2S4qrosLuV+hI6SDJpqQ5gwYa3tevwRgjgNgzkbhh8=; b=xeOWrruPG7jZ5u5EmA8sYWbHMuDxMx69bIegJqk50Vq8bvynwxDTJhx/TMeZohDiYW WmLcWSy/FDajzvn8NN+sTJWbUwU0MavlSl4gPxDzs0ZPdkgPA9GQBVTOjUD7Swm2Izni qTqc1wURo/rME8aauEhTPdjm4BZN2SSOXJgFe5GiQRuUEueFJvp6VTD4W7t2bRMsfy/G fsKbbvURrwPV8cOhUqO68gw9oOo6I2mPUDE8unADapO1R8v/EJyxKsFTia910qaptmNA fe8mDrQo0GuT3YqdI1Qn8Fx4UrOVaYJqKwNyI67BuCcLWjZUA6iBgbZs8Z3S0DarVu21 RUAA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=b2S4qrosLuV+hI6SDJpqQ5gwYa3tevwRgjgNgzkbhh8=; b=rYjlZMRT6hY5mRtWUz3JEp4/VvECXbFrbXtA+hTpVAzr3GwYm5cPHFIcC3wmcez9Xf r6a0INv8oVP7SQXdE8Q6m5mvJcvdnljlIVEU3ymr7Bn+fqEKJ89yFgaFTsEce0X3N89p /xqgV8rCpN5NCHRUEkiZsICMn8xlBOcVtdFUMrh+VcZLwmfulVM5SEHGv3OfL4/z5DDy YxKDkUtUHpypxY6Af8WY8OqjUBfo4C6flaBEn/OmsrKinj0aMjHPfgEgvbVgllc8tH0t MnGN8IlJgDXg46TLOR0dHfKMJK8dvrZqCTgycPYeiFBOoUjAnmqkqbn4rHvSuo0cOgwF QTkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfoion75RS15ZKPHkUKrU2u9NeniidL+Ygk+MMXNrc45Ilz0z7m6L 7NjjDuXOhCTHBLPIAe+m5vTXHUXD9L+Lq1NGckki2XBAzjg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63u7Dp/ICGOhn8/mvPCBmgyBA+TwnqOAAK8Tq3UsCfu/zj2guHJkHhAJ8/iJi2cAKsArQeyYkf3ZT8m94UE/co= X-Received: by 2002:adf:9b12:: with SMTP id b18-v6mr22696443wrc.35.1539764199649; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 01:16:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> <125B578D-B8B7-4A7B-91E5-3CFDE29967CB@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 10:16:28 +0200 Message-ID: To: Job Snijders Cc: tim@nlnetlabs.nl, SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:16:45 -0000 Yes. I think its time for WGLC. -G On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM Job Snijders wrote: > > Perhaps it is time for WG LC? I'd support that From nobody Wed Oct 17 02:11:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A07ED12DD85 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:11:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bchu-xEkakUo for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DDF28128CE4 for ; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 02:11:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-To: sidrops@ietf.org Received: from cupcake.local ([IPv6:2001:67c:64:42:70c8:5884:7ae:d39d]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w9H8AWP9008289 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:10:33 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.ibn.ie: Host [IPv6:2001:67c:64:42:70c8:5884:7ae:d39d] claimed to be cupcake.local To: George Michaelson Cc: Job Snijders , SIDR Operations WG , tim@nlnetlabs.nl References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> <125B578D-B8B7-4A7B-91E5-3CFDE29967CB@nlnetlabs.nl> From: Nick Hilliard Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 11:10:54 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/6.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 09:11:04 -0000 WFM. George Michaelson wrote on 17/10/2018 10:16: > Yes. I think its time for WGLC. > > -G > On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM Job Snijders wrote: >> >> Perhaps it is time for WG LC? I'd support that > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > From nobody Fri Oct 19 05:53:40 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FDE12F1A5; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:53:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <153995361866.6588.12258942346622022262@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 05:53:38 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:53:39 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : RPKI Signed Object for Trust Anchor Keys Authors : Tim Bruijnzeels Carlos Martinez Rob Austein Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-02.txt Pages : 21 Date : 2018-10-19 Abstract: Trust Anchor Locators (TALs) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] are used by Relying Parties in the RPKI to locate and validate Trust Anchor certificates used in RPKI validation. This document defines an RPKI signed object for Trust Anchor Keys (TAK), that can be used by Trust Anchors to signal their set of current keys and the location(s) of the accompanying CA certiifcates to Relying Parties, as well as changes to this set in the form of revoked keys and new keys, in order to support both planned and unplanned key rolls without impacting RPKI validation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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We can also have some mic time in Bangkok, but I hope that things are = clear enough and this is not needed. Thanks Tim > On 17 Oct 2018, at 11:10, Nick Hilliard wrote: >=20 > WFM. >=20 > George Michaelson wrote on 17/10/2018 10:16: >> Yes. I think its time for WGLC. >> -G >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM Job Snijders wrote: >>>=20 >>> Perhaps it is time for WG LC? 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[89.98.91.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o29-v6sm10516865edc.95.2018.10.19.06.05.52 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Oct 2018 06:05:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_FFA6EEF3-F51D-4D21-A0B0-3CA4457418B6" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <053A7546-B0EF-48F2-A9F9-1BAF6B87E0B4@arrcus.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:05:50 +0200 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Message-Id: <3D1AC6B5-0F06-48AF-AC4D-99E44B53803B@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <053A7546-B0EF-48F2-A9F9-1BAF6B87E0B4@arrcus.com> To: Keyur Patel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] all for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 13:06:00 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_FFA6EEF3-F51D-4D21-A0B0-3CA4457418B6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear co-chairs and wg, I would like some time at the mic to talk about the updated TA key roll = document for which I just uploaded version -02. Tim > On 16 Oct 2018, at 19:11, Keyur Patel > wrote: >=20 > Hi folks, > =20 > SIDROPS will meet at IETF-103 on Tuesday, November 6th from 1:50 pm - = 3:50 pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris = and me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the = chairs by Friday morning (11/2/2018). Slides received after the deadline = may not be available for use during the meeting. > =20 > Regards, > Chris and Keyur > =20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops = --Apple-Mail=_FFA6EEF3-F51D-4D21-A0B0-3CA4457418B6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Dear co-chairs and = wg,

I would like = some time at the mic to talk about the updated TA key roll document for = which I just uploaded version -02.

Tim

On 16 = Oct 2018, at 19:11, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:

Hi folks,
 
SIDROPS will meet at IETF-103 on Tuesday, November 6th = from 1:50 pm - 3:50 pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda = items you may have to Chris and me. Please also make sure that your = slides are available to the chairs by Friday morning (11/2/2018). Slides = received after the deadline may not be available for use during the = meeting.
 
Regards,
Chris and Keyur
 
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Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, warren@kumari.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <153997538838.6592.9780830397435204954.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:56:28 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] sidrops - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 103 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:56:36 -0000 Dear Chris Morrow, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. sidrops Session 1 (1:30 requested) Tuesday, 6 November 2018, Afternoon Session I 1350-1550 Room Name: Boromphimarn 1/2 size: 75 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/sessions/sidrops.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: SIDR Operations Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Chris Morrow Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 80 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: idr grow Second Priority: opsarea opsec Third Priority: opsawg People who must be present: Keyur Patel Alvaro Retana Chris Morrow Warren "Ace" Kumari Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 19 12:19:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA0781310EE for ; 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Fri, 19 Oct 2018 12:18:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: George Michaelson Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 21:18:27 +0200 Message-ID: To: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] deploy-reconsidered draft X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 19:19:34 -0000 I would like time at the mic to discuss the validation-reconsidered deployment draft I have just submitted. cheers -George From nobody Mon Oct 22 08:56:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C9A129619; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:56:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.87.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <154022380993.6151.524151795397436232@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 08:56:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-rpkimaxlen-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 15:56:51 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : The Use of Maxlength in the RPKI Authors : Yossi Gilad Sharon Goldberg Kotikalapudi Sriram Job Snijders Ben Maddison Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-rpkimaxlen-01.txt Pages : 10 Date : 2018-10-22 Abstract: This document recommends that operators avoid using the maxLength attribute when issuing Route Origin Authorizations (ROAs) in the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). These recommendations complement those in [RFC7115]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpkimaxlen/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpkimaxlen-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-rpkimaxlen-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-rpkimaxlen-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 22 12:48:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DED3E130DCE for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:48:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.989 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.989 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=qrator.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KKxE8yQn1v-r for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07AA912D7EA for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:48:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id w186-v6so311407wmf.0 for ; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:48:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=qrator.net; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=1/DoTwS+lyPSt6HzXQOIbWBaHuYzsltA0kzEW1oQzs8=; b=i8SG5oky+i9TSnTCeiYVZCLQqlT4cC2wX1SXDBme0p+7FSBM7RvtmNjjmPRb50Nz6a src7R9qi+61njejdEhR4LNu8E84fQQRLdIavhW1mOmMpyWGQG5rBYZDKJoY320mLHiyw KTyzI12Oh+NBsttSm/TCuFnOpRSB3ImWUrAU4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=1/DoTwS+lyPSt6HzXQOIbWBaHuYzsltA0kzEW1oQzs8=; b=Q6BudDiJ8zlD6vfpZ8GIVRYOK43iseq6kLCVGGioNCHE8u0Z5lsEiw6a8nkWJgioVq 1vnRw3zeamzQ/cd7bf0kbNKEk3l/mM4zjSKxR9hocbXbjbZOYyrld+M/hlauFXuew6rd gWicTLaaOq6kzlvQmJkmu820cuYg/yfBMAkPEFoGvEhbuvmED51MIQPI3BAz6AyvcvXU oPF0tkVlkjYjA6ste06u1+bRddC+kp6H7GrQDV/Yr4aPzMVyrPGy36117fhF/hAqV7Z2 fDT+3SOgNXmYqZMMmhVDZ4qqcRCtm5cFeTgIbMye348b21VFdN+ysbVIuX6Hqkx/S6Gr 4EaA== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfogNwiyKMAJfS95xJvEHa5AF2QnljMW1n3cLOEgCoxXuoCmWLwaq oDNxGuPeuSuYDcjRtj5VJC7p9y3Y64/ElKWy4eKRFg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV61+zcteD+sQLfx3+58zt1LalrbBuIoKmpfgm2xfjVItgYsnmFPUElo15o7GUhjYICIFB7P0QZ6r89sxQj0XKME= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:5890:: with SMTP id m138-v6mr17179542wmb.107.1540237710343; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 12:48:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <053A7546-B0EF-48F2-A9F9-1BAF6B87E0B4@arrcus.com> <3D1AC6B5-0F06-48AF-AC4D-99E44B53803B@nlnetlabs.nl> <352E7F40-F87E-4477-BBF8-ABA0EE56386E@arrcus.com> In-Reply-To: <352E7F40-F87E-4477-BBF8-ABA0EE56386E@arrcus.com> From: Alexander Azimov Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 22:48:18 +0300 Message-ID: To: Keyur Patel Cc: tim@nlnetlabs.nl, sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000098528f0578d689a3" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] all for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2018 19:48:45 -0000 --00000000000098528f0578d689a3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to request 5 minutes for ASPA drafts. =D0=BF=D1=82, 19 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 19:21, Keyur Patel= : > Done. Thanks. > > > Regards, > > Keyur > > > > *From: *Tim Bruijnzeels > *Date: *Friday, October 19, 2018 at 6:05 AM > *To: *Keyur Patel > *Cc: *"sidrops@ietf.org" > *Subject: *Re: [Sidrops] all for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items > > > > Dear co-chairs and wg, > > > > I would like some time at the mic to talk about the updated TA key roll > document for which I just uploaded version -02. > > > > Tim > > > > On 16 Oct 2018, at 19:11, Keyur Patel wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > SIDROPS will meet at IETF-103 on Tuesday, November 6th from 1:50 pm - 3:5= 0 > pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris and me. > Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chairs by > Friday morning (11/2/2018). Slides received after the deadline may not be > available for use during the meeting. > > > > Regards, > > Chris and Keyur > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --=20 | Alexander Azimov | HLL l QRATOR | tel.: +7 499 241 81 92 | mob.: +7 915 360 08 86 | skype: mitradir | visit: radar.qrator.net --00000000000098528f0578d689a3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would like to request 5 minutes for ASPA drafts.
=D0=BF=D1=82, 19 =D0=BE=D0=BA= =D1=82. 2018 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 19:21, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>:

Done. Thanks.


Regards,

Keyur

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From= : Tim Bruijnzeels &= lt;tim@nlnetlabs.nl>
Date: Friday, October 19, 2018 at 6:05 AM
To: Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com>
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Subject: Re: [Sidrops] all for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items=

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Dear co-chairs and wg,

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I would like some time at the mic to talk about the = updated TA key roll document for which I just uploaded version -02.<= u>

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Tim



On 16 Oct 2018, at 19:11, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:=

=C2=A0

Hi folks,=

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SIDROPS=C2=A0will meet at IETF-103 on Tuesday, Novem= ber 6th from 1:50 pm - 3:50 pm. Please forward any=C2=A0SIDROPS=C2=A0agenda= items you may have to Chris and me. Please also make sure that your slides= are available to the chairs by Friday morning (11/2/2018). Slides received after the deadline may not be available for use during the= meeting.

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Regards,<= /u>

Chris and=C2=A0Keyur

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2018 Thread-Index: AQHUbDVwqr4Day7B60OAVfkBOUQJAg== Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 07:36:27 +0000 Message-ID: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [199.43.0.117] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_15B303222CE04E0BA54A86A2743B73AFarinnet_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 07:37:08 -0000 --_000_15B303222CE04E0BA54A86A2743B73AFarinnet_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ARIN experienced an RPKI Repository issue yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 24= October 2018) which resulted in the number of objects in the repository dr= opping from its normal hundreds of objects to only 7 objects. The root cau= se for the failure was too many ROAs for a resource cert that led to an unt= ested situation whereby we exceeded the MTU for the HSM and an invalid mani= fest in repository. It appeared that some validators stop processing after= the invalid manifest, thus resulting in a greatly reduced count of objects= published. This condition occurred for much of day, and was resolved via a workaround = at approximately 22:00 ET. The ARIN RPKI Repository appears normal on RPK= I monitors at this time, and while we have some work to do to durably addre= ss the issue for long-term, we not expect any recurrence of this event. FYI, /John John Curran President and CEO American Registry for Internet Numbers --_000_15B303222CE04E0BA54A86A2743B73AFarinnet_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3B97EC4095DED948AD082EE140EEA111@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <https://www.arin.net/announcements/2018/20181024_update.html>

ARIN experienced an RPKI Repository issue yesterday afterno= on (Wednesday 24 October 2018) which resulted in the number of objects in t= he repository dropping from its normal hundreds of objects to only 7 object= s.  The root cause for the failure was too many ROAs for a resource cert that led to an untested situation wh= ereby we exceeded the MTU for the HSM and an invalid manifest in repository= .  It appeared that some validators stop processing after the invalid = manifest, thus resulting in a greatly reduced count of objects published. 

This condition occurred for much of day, and was resolved v= ia a workaround at approximately 22:00 ET.   The ARIN RPKI Repository = appears normal on RPKI monitors at this time, and while we have some work t= o do to durably address the issue for long-term, we not expect any recurrence of this event. 

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers 



--_000_15B303222CE04E0BA54A86A2743B73AFarinnet_-- From nobody Thu Oct 25 08:32:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2E130E7C for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:32:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2_k87pRX9yDo for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it1-x135.google.com (mail-it1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F425130E76 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 74-v6so2142536itw.1 for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:32:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9u+dpR8xdm8gR5BbnxYr7uze1y9tlHtu9dygZtTtfeQ=; b=U00tPSZYN8r7tryy7YjWTO8lkw3f4Tp6/eQZzxiI3iEHiecL9P0ngC0cF6peYgwnhi iFzgkkYaph7IQa8+lpSo0/+ZiRNVNMHSIJZXbNYff54zdh5aKwjg0zLWxVjAnY+wHgg1 BuPuWVCKy/HNO6w6tJHtt5O3mGOnHGMjPQRhwbD/TU5N5GilMZezg8bbB0K4SbsywK7Z IcuGEaYyXiFfxsLX0dFh5LmE7fcGpzi6HHa3vUkPm4O4w/TM6xtsln43WqRohBAYDjp4 vN+ZJSpjf8d2CQAA1p/WR3EtOcq2MIHA9TGjK470w0O9UxS95IL32IDrCIpe3Ei7q5M7 7LZA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9u+dpR8xdm8gR5BbnxYr7uze1y9tlHtu9dygZtTtfeQ=; b=RGjn65QvzwFiVyIk9M9T7C8/W1njmA+nXttzey3sKCIoDKSawW/RUuV2HFHcdmpulZ q6vO91+1fs2p+Cqv4H2slqPChWq16gW/NeD+XCCnflPkRz/34+SAcJN8pqzHraKYNDMi pXZl5UvqEu7hpcJfbmlGAnpSsn1ibYkfgi1Uhy/SJXpJX00qA/OLzk4VnBSiGuhXL6eZ FxDYs+E5b+YVkEB4JzJVCy9GHju4CT39RtPEFB0pSdEolkA7oePceZC4rFlbfpzm6pWI GVnCRcknLqd28MztjvxcWkORXifHvz2G7yGFVePDFuy5dqxTnkebrITGwoh4LXQSfMxK ibpA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJuLbn2JNfx01oW8tKGoi95riq6ks73WJz1Mb7gyWfZw/PmxI/q /lzBYqZtoFCINK/EC7AUnKWouQN0+SMA0490H7Q= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cFp91SbgQG94RwGF/qVIvd4H8B6cRD1OZGTFSeSdPdyWa98Fp2CrMOi0A2PlAqyd3XFyjGzukXrzDISO/yN0o= X-Received: by 2002:a24:5cb:: with SMTP id 194-v6mr1318799itl.139.1540481533371; Thu, 25 Oct 2018 08:32:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> In-Reply-To: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 11:32:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: John Curran Cc: sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000947e7b05790f4e09" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2018 15:32:17 -0000 --000000000000947e7b05790f4e09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" hey! 1) thanks for the info/update/transparency 2) it'd be cool to know: "hsm like FOO don't like getting packets over BAR kb, be aware if you operate like this" 3) I'm glad we're finding these (and writing test code, and monitoring) while we are still young in this process Also, it's nice to occasionally see the sausage making. On Thu, Oct 25, 2018 at 3:37 AM John Curran wrote: > > > ARIN experienced an RPKI Repository issue yesterday afternoon (Wednesday > 24 October 2018) which resulted in the number of objects in the repository > dropping from its normal hundreds of objects to only 7 objects. The root > cause for the failure was too many ROAs for a resource cert that led to an > untested situation whereby we exceeded the MTU for the HSM and an invalid > manifest in repository.. It appeared that some validators stop processing > after the invalid manifest, thus resulting in a greatly reduced count of > objects published. > > This condition occurred for much of day, and was resolved via a workaround > at approximately 22:00 ET. The ARIN RPKI Repository appears normal on > RPKI monitors at this time, and while we have some work to do to durably > address the issue for long-term, we not expect any recurrence of this > event. > > FYI, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --000000000000947e7b05790f4e09 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hey!
1) thanks for the info/update/transparency
<= div>2) it'd be cool to know: "hsm like FOO don't like getting = packets over BAR kb, be aware if you operate like this"
3) I= 'm glad we're finding these (and writing test code, and monitoring)= while we are still young in this process

Also, it= 's nice to occasionally see the sausage making.


<https://www.arin.net/announcements/2018/20181024_update= .html>

ARIN experienced an RPKI Repository issue yesterday afternoon (Wednesd= ay 24 October 2018) which resulted in the number of objects in the reposito= ry dropping from its normal hundreds of objects to only 7 objects.=C2=A0 Th= e root cause for the failure was too many ROAs for a resource cert that led to an untested situation wh= ereby we exceeded the MTU for the HSM and an invalid manifest in repository= ..=C2=A0 It appeared that some validators stop processing after the invalid= manifest, thus resulting in a greatly reduced count of objects published.=C2=A0

This condition occurred for much of day, and was resolved via a workar= ound at approximately 22:00 ET. =C2=A0 The ARIN RPKI Repository appears nor= mal on RPKI monitors at this time, and while we have some work to do to dur= ably address the issue for long-term, we not expect any recurrence of this event.=C2=A0

FYI,
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers=C2=A0



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[89.98.91.15]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b36-v6sm4824711edb.5.2018.10.26.02.37.07 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 26 Oct 2018 02:37:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Tim Bruijnzeels Message-Id: <3640355A-FDE4-4A26-89ED-5B8134F36E4A@nlnetlabs.nl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2CD37006-DA1A-4D6B-B358-502B904BE7A0" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.0 \(3445.100.39\)) Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 11:37:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> To: "sidrops@ietf.org" References: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.100.39) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:37:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2CD37006-DA1A-4D6B-B358-502B904BE7A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi, > On 25 Oct 2018, at 09:36, John Curran wrote: >=20 > ARIN experienced an RPKI Repository issue yesterday afternoon = (Wednesday 24 October 2018) which resulted in the number of objects in = the repository dropping from its normal hundreds of objects to only 7 = objects. The root cause for the failure was too many ROAs for a = resource cert that led to an untested situation whereby we exceeded the = MTU for the HSM and an invalid manifest in repository.. It appeared = that some validators stop processing after the invalid manifest, thus = resulting in a greatly reduced count of objects published.=20 So this caused the existing the MFT to go *stale* after 48 hours, while = the embedded EE certificate had not yet expired (it uses 7 days from = what I can see). Validator software treats these cases differently, because the standards = are vague on this, I believe too vague: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6486#section-6.4 = There are many words here. And some seem contradictory, but let me = quote: [=E2=80=A6]the entity that has published the stale manifest at this = publication point, SHOULD be viewed as somewhat suspect, but MAY be used = by the RP as per local policy. There is similar vagueness around discrepancies between repository = content and manifests. Also.. local policy. As a result the RIPE NCC RPKI Validator 2.x series leave this local = policy as a choice to the user, but defaults to rejecting all stale = MFTs. RIPE NCC RPKI Validator 3.x accepts stale MFTs with warnings, but = only rejects when the EE certificate is expired. I do not know what = RPSTIR does, but Rcynic does the same I believe. As does NLnet Lab's = =E2=80=98Routinator 3000=E2=80=99 - coming real soon now :) I am not 100% sure about RPSTIR but all other validators use the = =E2=80=98local=E2=80=99 policy that the MFT is the authoritative signed = statement of what is current for a CA. In other words anything not = listed on a MFT, or objects with a different hash, are rejected. In my opinion it would be best if the relevant sections in the MFT RFC = (6486) were updated to ensure that there are no unexpected differences = between RP implementations. Accepting stale, rejecting expired && only = processing what is on a valid manifest seems the sane way forward to me, = and reflects most of the operational reality. I would be happy to come up with text for people to shoot at :) Tim --Apple-Mail=_2CD37006-DA1A-4D6B-B358-502B904BE7A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi,

On 25 Oct 2018, at 09:36, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net> = wrote:

ARIN experienced an RPKI = Repository issue yesterday afternoon (Wednesday 24 October 2018) which = resulted in the number of objects in the repository dropping from its = normal hundreds of objects to only 7 objects.  The root cause for = the failure was too many ROAs for a resource cert that led to an = untested situation whereby we exceeded the MTU for the HSM and an = invalid manifest in repository..  It appeared that some validators = stop processing after the invalid manifest, thus resulting in a greatly = reduced count of objects published. 

So this caused the existing the MFT to go *stale* = after 48 hours, while the embedded EE certificate had not yet expired = (it uses 7 days from what I can see).

Validator software treats these cases differently, = because the standards are vague on this, I believe too = vague:
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There are many words here. And some seem = contradictory, but let me quote:
[=E2=80=A6]the entity that = has published the stale manifest at this publication point, SHOULD be = viewed as somewhat suspect, but MAY be used by the RP as per local = policy.

There is similar vagueness = around discrepancies between repository content and manifests. Also.. = local policy.

As a result the RIPE = NCC RPKI Validator 2.x series leave this local policy as a choice to the = user, but defaults to rejecting all stale MFTs. RIPE NCC RPKI Validator = 3.x accepts stale MFTs with warnings, but only rejects when the EE = certificate is expired. I do not know what RPSTIR does, but Rcynic does = the same I believe. As does NLnet Lab's =E2=80=98Routinator 3000=E2=80=99 = - coming real soon now :)

I am not = 100% sure about RPSTIR but all other validators use the =E2=80=98local=E2=80= =99 policy that the MFT is the authoritative signed statement of what is = current for a CA. In other words anything not listed on a MFT, or = objects with a different hash, are rejected.

In my opinion it would be best if the relevant = sections in the MFT RFC (6486) were updated to ensure that there are no = unexpected differences between RP implementations. Accepting stale, = rejecting expired && only processing what is on a valid manifest = seems the sane way forward to me, and reflects most of the operational = reality.

I would be happy to come up = with text for people to shoot at :)

Tim




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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:05:37 -0000 > we’re aiming for high transparency in operations, given the > nature/purpose of the service… if arin really groked the nature/purpose of the service, a number of things would change randy From nobody Fri Oct 26 10:17:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FBD12870E for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 10:17:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGRN2pnQ4lrI for ; 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Fri, 26 Oct 2018 13:16:54 -0400 From: John Curran To: Randy Bush CC: "sidrops@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 Thread-Index: AQHUbDVwQ+w/GZIS1kqGfzrvfX1d/aUwaJGAgAFsBgCAACF7AIAAE/KA Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:16:54 +0000 Message-ID: <47F7E3F4-6EE9-4DDB-B2A0-8631DA54D111@arin.net> References: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> <351C77B9-1984-4F1B-B14E-B524E6D18D88@psg.com> In-Reply-To: <351C77B9-1984-4F1B-B14E-B524E6D18D88@psg.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [199.43.0.117] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <7E38A1B92FF99142BE060BA54CD4C2E2@corp.arin.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:17:19 -0000 T24gMjYgT2N0IDIwMTgsIGF0IDY6MDUgUE0sIFJhbmR5IEJ1c2ggPHJhbmR5QHBzZy5jb20+IHdy b3RlOg0KPiANCj4+IHdl4oCZcmUgYWltaW5nIGZvciBoaWdoIHRyYW5zcGFyZW5jeSBpbiBvcGVy YXRpb25zLCBnaXZlbiB0aGUgbmF0dXJlL3B1cnBvc2Ugb2YgdGhlIHNlcnZpY2XigKYNCj4gDQo+ IGlmIGFyaW4gcmVhbGx5IGdyb2tlZCB0aGUgbmF0dXJlL3B1cnBvc2Ugb2YgdGhlIHNlcnZpY2Us IGEgbnVtYmVyDQo+IG9mIHRoaW5ncyB3b3VsZCBjaGFuZ2UNCg0KUmFuZHkgLSANCg0KVGhhdOKA mXMgcXVpdGUgcG9zc2libGUsIGJ1dCBub3RlIHRoYXQgbWFueSB0aGluZ3MgaGF2ZSBhbHJlYWR5 IGJlZW4gY2hhbmdpbmc6DQoNCiAtIE1vdmVkIGZyb20gZXhwbGljaXQgZW1haWwgbG9nZ2luZyB0 byBhY2Nlc3MgQVJJTiBUQUwgdG8gY2xpY2sg4oCcYWNjZXB04oCdIG9uIFRBTCBwYWdlIHRvIGFj Y2Vzcw0KIC0gTW92ZWQgZnJvbSBjbGljayDigJxhY2NlcHTigJ0gb24gVEFMIHBhZ2UgdG8gc2lt cGx5IGRvd25sb2FkIFRBTCBmcm9tIHRoZSBBUklOIFRBTCBwYWdlDQogLSBQdWJsaXNoZWQgZXhw bGljaXQgZGlyZWN0aW9ucyBzbyBzb2Z0d2FyZSBpbnN0YWxsYXRpb24gdG9vbHMgY2FuIGRvd25s b2FkIEFSSU4gVEFMIGZvciB1c2VyDQogLSBDb21taXR0ZWQgdG8gYW4gZWFzaWVyIFJPQSBjcmVh dGlvbiBpbnRlcmZhY2UgYXMgcGFydCBvZiB0aGUgQVJJTiBkYXRhYmFzZS1pbnRlZ3JhdGVkIElS UiByZWZyZXNoDQoNClRoZXJl4oCZcyBsaWtlbHkgbW9yZSB0aGluZ3MgdGhhdCB5b3XigJlkIGxp a2UgdG8gc2VlIGNoYW5nZWQgd2l0aCByZXNwZWN0IHRvIEFSSU4gUlBLSSBzZXJ2aWNlIOKAkyBm ZWVsIGZyZWUgdG8gc2VuZCBtZSBhIGxpc3Qgd2hlbiB5b3UgaGF2ZSBhIG1vbWVudCAoYXMgd2Xi gJlyZSBsaWtlbHkgdG8gcmV2aXNpdCBhIG51bWJlciBvZiB0aGluZ3MgYWZ0ZXIgdGhlIFVQZW5u IGxhdyDigJxBUklOIFJQS0kgbGVnYWwgaHVyZGxlcyIgc3R1ZHkgaXMgY29tcGxldGVkIGFuZCBp c3N1ZXMgaXRzIHJlcG9ydCBpbiBlYXJseSBEZWNlbWJlci4pDQoNClRoYW5rcyENCi9Kb2huDQoN CkpvaG4gQ3VycmFuDQpQcmVzaWRlbnQgYW5kIENFTw0KQW1lcmljYW4gUmVnaXN0cnkgZm9yIElu dGVybmV0IE51bWJlcnMNCg0KDQoNCg== From nobody Fri Oct 26 10:33:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34876127133 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 10:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0FAS_Zud7-V7 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 10:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.rg.net (mail.rg.net [198.180.150.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EBCF120072 for ; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 10:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mobile-166-171-249-254.mycingular.net ([166.171.249.254] helo=[10.155.111.85]) by mail.rg.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gG5zY-00067m-7E; Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:33:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Randy Bush X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16A404) In-Reply-To: <47F7E3F4-6EE9-4DDB-B2A0-8631DA54D111@arin.net> Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 10:33:46 -0700 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4638BB0C-DBEA-4A8F-AE25-75D9103356DF@psg.com> References: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> <351C77B9-1984-4F1B-B14E-B524E6D18D88@psg.com> <47F7E3F4-6EE9-4DDB-B2A0-8631DA54D111@arin.net> To: John Curran Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2018 17:33:52 -0000 Lotta smoke Tell me she the vast majority of noam address space is allowed to have roas w= ithout egregious contract.=20 randy, on a phone > On Oct 26, 2018, at 10:16, John Curran wrote: >=20 >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 6:05 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>=20 >>> we=E2=80=99re aiming for high transparency in operations, given the natu= re/purpose of the service=E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> if arin really groked the nature/purpose of the service, a number >> of things would change >=20 > Randy -=20 >=20 > That=E2=80=99s quite possible, but note that many things have already been= changing: >=20 > - Moved from explicit email logging to access ARIN TAL to click =E2=80=9Ca= ccept=E2=80=9D on TAL page to access > - Moved from click =E2=80=9Caccept=E2=80=9D on TAL page to simply download= TAL from the ARIN TAL page > - Published explicit directions so software installation tools can downloa= d ARIN TAL for user > - Committed to an easier ROA creation interface as part of the ARIN databa= se-integrated IRR refresh >=20 > There=E2=80=99s likely more things that you=E2=80=99d like to see changed w= ith respect to ARIN RPKI service =E2=80=93 feel free to send me a list when y= ou have a moment (as we=E2=80=99re likely to revisit a number of things afte= r the UPenn law =E2=80=9CARIN RPKI legal hurdles" study is completed and iss= ues its report in early December.) >=20 > Thanks! > /John >=20 > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers >=20 >=20 >=20 From nobody Fri Oct 26 22:03:39 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30A7C12DD85 for ; 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charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 11:54:37 -0000 > To my knowledge, all of the RIRs require a contract to provide > services, ARIN included. yes, but only arins may be changed unilaterally by the rir and grabs all your rights. but we have been through this a thousand times. we all know the scoop and arin's trashing of internet stewardship. randy From nobody Sat Oct 27 06:03:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522A1130E95 for ; Sat, 27 Oct 2018 06:03:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPV4mJKTmnW5 for ; 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Sat, 27 Oct 2018 09:03:32 -0400 From: John Curran To: Randy Bush CC: "sidrops@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 Thread-Index: AQHUbDVwQ+w/GZIS1kqGfzrvfX1d/aUwaJGAgAFsBgCAACF7AIAAE/KAgAAEtwCAAMCFgIAAcweAgAATR4A= Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:03:31 +0000 Message-ID: <9D7159E9-8540-4104-8FF6-D071221D2E0B@arin.net> References: <15B30322-2CE0-4E0B-A54A-86A2743B73AF@arin.net> <351C77B9-1984-4F1B-B14E-B524E6D18D88@psg.com> <47F7E3F4-6EE9-4DDB-B2A0-8631DA54D111@arin.net> <4638BB0C-DBEA-4A8F-AE25-75D9103356DF@psg.com> <3F9D49C5-0812-426B-8E60-CF0E93CC684E@arin.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [199.43.0.117] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 13:03:56 -0000 T24gMjcgT2N0IDIwMTgsIGF0IDE6NTQgUE0sIFJhbmR5IEJ1c2ggPHJhbmR5QHBzZy5jb20+IHdy b3RlOg0KPiANCj4+IFRvIG15IGtub3dsZWRnZSwgYWxsIG9mIHRoZSBSSVJzIHJlcXVpcmUgYSBj b250cmFjdCB0byBwcm92aWRlDQo+PiBzZXJ2aWNlcywgQVJJTiBpbmNsdWRlZC4NCj4gDQo+IHll cywgYnV0IG9ubHkgYXJpbnMgbWF5IGJlIGNoYW5nZWQgdW5pbGF0ZXJhbGx5IGJ5IHRoZSByaXIg YW5kIGdyYWJzIGFsbA0KPiB5b3VyIHJpZ2h0cy4NCg0KVW5pbGF0ZXJhbCBjaGFuZ2UgYnkgQVJJ TiB3YXMgcmVtb3ZlZCBpbiAyMDE1OyB0aGUgY3VycmVudCBSU0EvTFJTQSBvbmx5IGFsbG93cyBh bWVuZG1lbnQgdG8gY29uZm9ybSB0byBhbiBhcHBsaWNhYmxlIGxhdy9jYXNlbGF3IGNoYW5nZSBv ciBhZnRlciBhcHByb3ZhbCBvZiB0aGUgQVJJTiBtZW1iZXJzaGlwIGJ5IHJhdGlmaWNhdGlvbiB2 b3RlIChBUklOIFJTQSAxMi9MUlNBIDQsIFNlYy4gMShlKSBodHRwczovL3d3dy5hcmluLm5ldC9y ZXNvdXJjZXMvYWdyZWVtZW50cy9yc2EucGRmKQ0KDQo+IGJ1dCB3ZSBoYXZlIGJlZW4gdGhyb3Vn aCB0aGlzIGEgdGhvdXNhbmQgdGltZXMuICANCg0KWWVzLCBhbmQgdGhpcyBpc27igJl0IHRoZSBh cHByb3ByaWF0ZSBmb3J1bSBpbiBhbnkgY2FzZSDigJMgdGhvc2UgaW50ZXJlc3RlZCBpbiBhY2N1 cmF0ZSBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBzaG91bGQgcHJvYmFibHkgcmV2aWV3IHRoZSBBUklOIHdlYnNpdGUg YW5kL29yIGFzayBvbiBhbiBBUklOIG1haWxpbmcgbGlzdC4NCg0KVGhhbmtzIQ0KL0pvaG4NCg0K Sm9obiBDdXJyYW4NClByZXNpZGVudCBhbmQgQ0VPDQpBbWVyaWNhbiBSZWdpc3RyeSBmb3IgSW50 ZXJuZXQgTnVtYmVycw0KDQoNCg0KDQoNCg== From nobody Sat Oct 27 10:27:06 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41007130DFA for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] ARIN RPKI Repository issue - Wednesday 24 October 2018 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2018 17:27:05 -0000 > Unilateral change by ARIN was removed in 2015; will look. if clearly removed without wiggles, that's great. > Yes, and this isn=A2t the appropriate forum in any case shoot the messenger From nobody Wed Oct 31 22:27:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE505130E85; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 22:27:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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boundary="0000000000008a00d5057993ab7b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying - ENDS: 10/31/2018 (halloscream!) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 05:27:14 -0000 --0000000000008a00d5057993ab7b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello SIDROps folks, This didn't get any comments, so ... does that mean move forward? (which seems reasonable to me after a bunch of discussion in SIDR and revisions and comments there) On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:36 PM Christopher Morrow < christopher.morrow@gmail.com> wrote: > Howdy WG folks: > > Please consider this the start of the WGLC > for: draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying > > Abstract: > BGPsec-speaking routers are provisioned with private keys in order to > sign BGPsec announcements. The corresponding public keys are > published in the global Resource Public Key Infrastructure, enabling > verification of BGPsec messages. This document describes two methods > of generating the public-private key-pairs: router-driven and > operator-driven. > > Note, as was noted on-list, this document was formerly: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-16 > > At last check in SIDR this document was 'ok', and waiting on a few > references which are now submitted upstream... So, let's > read/discuss/comment and decide! > > Hope to see your horror-filled-comments/decisions before HallowScream! :) > -chris > --0000000000008a00d5057993ab7b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello SIDROps folks,
This didn't get any comments,= so ... does that mean move forward? (which seems reasonable to me after a = bunch of discussion in SIDR and revisions and comments there)
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:36 = PM Christopher Morrow <c= hristopher.morrow@gmail.com> wrote:
Howdy WG folks:

=C2=A0Please consider this the start of the WGLC fo= r:=C2=A0=C2=A0draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0BGPsec-speaking routers are provisioned wit= h private keys in order to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0sign BGPsec announcements= .=C2=A0 The corresponding public keys are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0published = in the global Resource Public Key Infrastructure, enabling
=C2=A0= =C2=A0verification of BGPsec messages.=C2=A0 This document describes two m= ethods
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of generating the public-private key-pairs: r= outer-driven and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0operator-driven.
--0000000000008a00d5057993ab7b-- From nobody Wed Oct 31 23:05:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AFA12426A for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:05:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4iP5wzbMkch for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x733.google.com (mail-qk1-x733.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::733]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 15F981277CC for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x733.google.com with SMTP id 189so10225883qkj.8 for ; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:05:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=dLBJhSxffz66uRcNbyBud/Ku0KQjEeGI4cCQIef49G8=; b=Q4Q1I5GQSjkeosFYVM0BdkaCEeFe0J51AfZFasDhBU6UWCyixIku1EYLhaMjWxlyNz gGjMG7N3N3T165DSvcatiM+5yV5VHrEV/BHoKuRigBIznGARrsWfqvg14LaEQZT84HlO LkR1aja7iHmV6oYv5+Q/0I+28+MmYij6lmpuU= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=dLBJhSxffz66uRcNbyBud/Ku0KQjEeGI4cCQIef49G8=; b=I8ihBcI1Mb27BZ0xvHtOHmYAFtIoUUgtH4N1mZrF4B9Sb8CN2qGg9P8ful9WrgS9D0 3ACXsk8mCi8T806fOuBiACYlETXnpdMTmLZ8krPZ+xASTTUFl2m+2/n7unqy6ck/txhA lyH8/NJ5l8s8vC6Eb5PkyetnSlMecnqADRNeShWRUUPfNSp0MGyIpNyCixZmInd3qVsS /0Atjt/E8RSYmTd+d64WJg4pk2ZFOdnxKF3FyF9ZaYQ82fZv6bkKbOhGjqUMrl2KhgeD ZG60w6DMKoJXAlxfHv8+0U6jqIvwy54Uzdn54DGib2gJNzClIIvydCC2ZyTpx6vvIIdS tCFA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJO3ws9L/crL7PyVJc6lZLuzZ/U0iAFCwS2OBlq1X85lZXqkKdw 5aRoxmEB3Hkz/IMUMsls4eyTOQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fY7BGmz+UYidqgx9syFsuej0hzIDbSPwBLeDjP/mxcOZBE3gXriK1b2Q3z06ZPEhcAiguD4A== X-Received: by 2002:a37:7006:: with SMTP id l6-v6mr4956857qkc.243.1541052343304; Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:05:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.18] ([96.231.224.191]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g46-v6sm13924058qta.79.2018.10.31.23.05.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 31 Oct 2018 23:05:42 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2018 02:05:41 -0400 Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <383335E8-DF48-4B69-9EC3-68DB33C90776@sn3rd.com> References: To: Christopher Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying - ENDS: 10/31/2018 (halloscream!) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 06:05:47 -0000 I am obvious in the yes please move it forward camp. spt > On Nov 1, 2018, at 01:26, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >=20 > Hello SIDROps folks, > This didn't get any comments, so ... does that mean move forward? = (which seems reasonable to me after a bunch of discussion in SIDR and = revisions and comments there) >=20 > On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 4:36 PM Christopher Morrow = wrote: > Howdy WG folks: >=20 > Please consider this the start of the WGLC for: = draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying >=20 > Abstract: > BGPsec-speaking routers are provisioned with private keys in order = to > sign BGPsec announcements.. The corresponding public keys are > published in the global Resource Public Key Infrastructure, = enabling > verification of BGPsec messages. This document describes two = methods > of generating the public-private key-pairs: router-driven and > operator-driven. >=20 > Note, as was noted on-list, this document was formerly: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-rtr-keying-16 >=20 > At last check in SIDR this document was 'ok', and waiting on a few = references which are now submitted upstream... So, let's = read/discuss/comment and decide! >=20 > Hope to see your horror-filled-comments/decisions before HallowScream! = :) > -chris > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops