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X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2018 20:10:52 -0000 > On Nov 1, 2018, at 09:30, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) = wrote: >=20 > Hi Randy/Chris, >=20 > I read the document and I found it well written. Probably Appendix B = is the clearest part BTW.=20 >=20 > I am going to jump do give two cosmetic comments. >=20 > 1) Why using "rtr" in the document's name? This got me confused that = the document was related to RFC6810. Ah I see where that might be confusing for now, but rtr, which is = router, goes away when it gets published ;) > 2) Section 3: You are giving as an option to use RFC2585. I understand = that we are only exchanging signed documents and there is no need for = SFTP/TLS but this may jump in further reviews from people outside of = this domain as "unsecured" because of its use for FTP/HTTP.=20 >=20 > Maybe we should add an obvious comment such as: "Each of these options = have security considerations described in the referred documents.=E2=80=9D= =20 While the security considerations do not explicitly call out 2585, there = is this bit and we are kind of hoping that it covers a wide variety of = sins: This document defines no protocols so in some sense introduces no new security considerations. However, it relies on many others and the security considerations in the referenced documents should be consulted; ... spt > Regards, > Roque >=20 >=20 > =E2=80=94=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 01/11/18 13:24, "Sidrops on behalf of Randy Bush" = wrote: >=20 >> This didn't get any comments, so ... does that mean move forward? = (which >> seems reasonable to me after a bunch of discussion in SIDR and = revisions >> and comments there) >=20 > this is sidr[ops]. why don't we sit on it for a few years? >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Sun Nov 4 18:18:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26ABC1276D0; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xsPXVNXgxtOR; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7628127333; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:18:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id t81-v6so5373422iod.10; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:18:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ekDrUr8nw+nbx6hr0epiEGhw3O1r9P/V2LZ/Ho52jWk=; b=IecqAM14XJYZiynJAWb9HFpjgkvabRRW6aHBHvEiBgQ4uUnc58q6xkJVdfDtKryNyd 0S7aWS2sAgLWMKjLe3u4PeFQoEZo80IKB6Q87QVt6IfnHZ1W27T+Ahbc2ooIppkoI/VF DrHmCRkQF5+AzQjE9/1gfoaRJU3DOHVeXPImHJZE/HWDZLgkAksmjRvlzMsyrAAy2T3g 4okp3e+it89pbTlbFFq+k8coAJKGoOJXvquxs3jLF7Zi797KW/5JVCaFgKUyCaUTtzBK sZy4+tl30JjIWtPZA5PGVYhSVnNRrzpPmjukWvMOcRa4b27n4LPRbu3uEscX8WRvDX+R 62lg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ekDrUr8nw+nbx6hr0epiEGhw3O1r9P/V2LZ/Ho52jWk=; b=pX7/9m0kcLTGSTHJkRi0T5iN8hrcAOhDnX/dj4/dgPNkc5O8J03OCuz/xQOEQ3Ldns 3DuaD1dSBU87YfFulffM5V7OD/oldHFYkCa2X9rPCiW0Bg/On6jS8O/iUHFlwoZo//cw P1a7O5FR6+s47X9zsR+501Dwse65UcwDYgifK4WfONI3nm+tR2P2m1XLhI1EQUp6eUqL xdKaHKzpxg5UKI7lF+o1+KlBZUGZcr9+W7cFbBGkhlBK8Ig/KZ8wmUR0G/ERdDNizgD9 rrks1DiMTwFBF34HLzvqBmO1loHkXL7XJ85muxK4y1atHvaAogOtyZFVaYECqbCnzaM1 t/PA== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gJ2M2kYXrrN6i25DBXd/FQBfpB/QNBNC02eX8M1NAKvsudenhe8 9EjDnNwtdXS3iNgi9t4F9yyyxHeGWIg73x5//Rw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5dlp2XNG/2RtAGjCb/bAVA6sv5fQs6UGeMw6L+85u4NsZGKkhUxFbIgkh7tH2qYMaWPhbbrIzQiMpEKYetYpp4= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:b856:: with SMTP id i83-v6mr16294424iof.287.1541384317984; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:18:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <14FDEA26-B8B7-41A9-8E19-31B0A3A2E708@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:18:26 +1100 Message-ID: To: Sean Turner Cc: Roque Gagliano , Randy Bush , sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bc682a0579e1802d" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying - ENDS: 10/31/2018 (halloscream!) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 02:18:41 -0000 --000000000000bc682a0579e1802d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I believe sean's efforts here lead to us agreeing to move forward. If there are complaints from mgmt we can adjust the security considerations portion to address those concerns, but for now... I'll plan to push this forward to IESG by end of day today. "Are there any IPR encumbered bits in this document?" (for the authors, which I believe Randy said 'no' to... sean?) On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:10 AM Sean Turner wrote: > > > > On Nov 1, 2018, at 09:30, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) > wrote: > > > > Hi Randy/Chris, > > > > I read the document and I found it well written. Probably Appendix B is > the clearest part BTW. > > > > I am going to jump do give two cosmetic comments. > > > > 1) Why using "rtr" in the document's name? This got me confused that th= e > document was related to RFC6810. > > Ah I see where that might be confusing for now, but rtr, which is router, > goes away when it gets published ;) > > > 2) Section 3: You are giving as an option to use RFC2585. I understand > that we are only exchanging signed documents and there is no need for > SFTP/TLS but this may jump in further reviews from people outside of this > domain as "unsecured" because of its use for FTP/HTTP. > > > > Maybe we should add an obvious comment such as: "Each of these options > have security considerations described in the referred documents.=E2=80= =9D > > While the security considerations do not explicitly call out 2585, there > is this bit and we are kind of hoping that it covers a wide variety of si= ns: > > This document defines no protocols so in some sense introduces no new > security considerations. However, it relies on many others and the > security considerations in the referenced documents should be > consulted; ... > > spt > > > Regards, > > Roque > > > > > > =E2=80=94 > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 01/11/18 13:24, "Sidrops on behalf of Randy Bush" < > sidrops-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of randy@psg.com> wrote: > > > >> This didn't get any comments, so ... does that mean move forward? (whi= ch > >> seems reasonable to me after a bunch of discussion in SIDR and revisio= ns > >> and comments there) > > > > this is sidr[ops]. why don't we sit on it for a few years? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > --000000000000bc682a0579e1802d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, I believe sean's efforts here lead to us agreeing = to move forward. If there are complaints from mgmt we can adjust the securi= ty considerations portion to address those concerns, but for now... I'l= l plan to push this forward to IESG by end of day today.

"Are there any IPR encumbered bits in this document?" (for the a= uthors, which I believe Randy said 'no' to... sean?)
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:10 AM= Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> w= rote:


> On Nov 1, 2018, at 09:30, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) <rogaglia@cisco.com> wrote:=
>
> Hi Randy/Chris,
>
> I read the document and I found it well written. Probably Appendix B i= s the clearest part BTW.
>
> I am going to jump do give two cosmetic comments.
>
> 1) Why using "rtr" in the document's name? This got me c= onfused that the document was related to RFC6810.

Ah I see where that might be confusing for now, but rtr, which is router, g= oes away when it gets published ;)

> 2) Section 3: You are giving as an option to use RFC2585. I understand= that we are only exchanging signed documents and there is no need for SFTP= /TLS but this may jump in further reviews from people outside of this domai= n as "unsecured" because of its use for FTP/HTTP.
>
> Maybe we should add an obvious comment such as: "Each of these op= tions have security considerations described in the referred documents.=E2= =80=9D

While the security considerations do not explicitly call out 2585, there is= this bit and we are kind of hoping that it covers a wide variety of sins:<= br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document defines no protocols so in some sense introduces= no new
=C2=A0 =C2=A0security considerations.=C2=A0 However, it relies on many othe= rs and the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0security considerations in the referenced documents should be<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0consulted; ...

spt

> Regards,
> Roque
>
>
> =E2=80=94
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 01/11/18 13:24, "Sidrops on behalf of Randy Bush"= ; <sidrops= -bounces@ietf.org on behalf of randy@psg.com> wrote:
>
>> This didn't get any comments, so ... does that mean move forwa= rd? (which
>> seems reasonable to me after a bunch of discussion in SIDR and rev= isions
>> and comments there)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 this is sidr[ops].=C2=A0 why don't we sit on it for a= few years?
>
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--000000000000bc682a0579e1802d-- From nobody Sun Nov 4 18:52:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE24128BCC for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:52:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYKLZczLRMZp for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-x132.google.com (mail-it1-x132.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A23CE127148 for ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:52:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-x132.google.com with SMTP id t190-v6so4985675itb.2 for ; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:52:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=tbDeV7OYGzqWlp7NxilVInESEF8M/QAhTCX7LRaZsjo=; b=gG22sxBGsYRIRK3KKMaiHaMax5x2SKLTFS6FiSxkNzYooBoksq0Xuy1MXUd0NsVoTc TdUita04Vuc73qLNR144dXcZyaG+pxu9I8gITmEUsPVXtcX+8X9vPS3gub2gFkKl3kS3 Zgl1qYYi0MR8nCuahgCQeZc51qY95P5KoTZvHJnn+yMkg9SDgfZbOfEfc+eCl+CKiqcs dwZHcnA9b2wSEYeiqVIRl+lPgjqReNjBphWbTYhRozglT9yfUinMXlkc4o8g0usNtsoN jViGdk6JdoLiUzvEgD4KsV/IMElfzfYHWcGgZNghdMihDR6VkmvsY9vhLtw6S8uRjB7M Z2gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=tbDeV7OYGzqWlp7NxilVInESEF8M/QAhTCX7LRaZsjo=; b=ng1CIueHLiAPK4uanF2+AnLzQL/z7bIXW8R42Cp/freJ9Vtgq7p3mLa68KncDaEJGW Lii1oFR3eHMcwc8nT6FOwrKSW1hiUEKtvWXrLBNIMM/Lm+V9NoUMIgS9krZIHMAmpEnB 3APUC5wj6P7paIlFtgnmiLfEr3MhACJ19WObxrvo4GaKilkQXQ95HVcnG51LP2YZZjMR OmJDTE9ArbSRh1ApHLUHaOq0ScOPA49BwwwbFzOA8OJiz8+G+OCvGHdsMB6cNmZbqpXR UO3/CCFhhoTDQmkj5DtnG9Y44+A693pHUMoqTXc39YZLrWoAGnFS2T9n0OkqHkx0R11s n1Sw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLU5cz2JLfqnhnEQi2lAGXdEnyTmu2VS+O41wkUQ6vRzTkTUN+T dtfDl+hK/6hkp80w9jvBPdtmbgT7BDLgELkkO8bsw/kL X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fE4T/+DJdF63/dOzTwxIBAH0bTeDEjLJEK+nhY8JuvZDDNaEQ7Bv1vBquFi++JgT+8Woyt+a/j7yCT9gcU518= X-Received: by 2002:a24:b50b:: with SMTP id v11-v6mr5262967ite.89.1541386368731; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:52:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <153925494724.11328.7326464820425639379@ietfa.amsl.com> <125B578D-B8B7-4A7B-91E5-3CFDE29967CB@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:52:37 +1100 Message-ID: To: tim@nlnetlabs.nl Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, Nick Hilliard , George Michaelson , Job Snijders Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f853300579e1fa0b" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal-05.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 02:52:52 -0000 --000000000000f853300579e1fa0b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" there should be a wglc shortly in your mailboxes. Apologies for losing your mail for ~months :( argh. On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > Co-chairs, can you initiate a last call? > > We can also have some mic time in Bangkok, but I hope that things are > clear enough and this is not needed. > > Thanks > Tim > > > On 17 Oct 2018, at 11:10, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > > > WFM. > > > > George Michaelson wrote on 17/10/2018 10:16: > >> Yes. I think its time for WGLC. > >> -G > >> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM Job Snijders wrote: > >>> > >>> Perhaps it is time for WG LC? I'd support that > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sidrops mailing list > >> Sidrops@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --000000000000f853300579e1fa0b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
there should be a wglc shortly in your mailboxes.
Apol= ogies for losing your mail for ~months :( argh.

On Sat, Oct 20, 2018 at 12:06 AM Tim Brui= jnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl> wr= ote:
Co-chairs, can you initiate a = last call?

We can also have some mic time in Bangkok, but I hope that things are clear= enough and this is not needed.

Thanks
Tim

> On 17 Oct 2018, at 11:10, Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org> wrote:
>
> WFM.
>
> George Michaelson wrote on 17/10/2018 10:16:
>> Yes. I think its time for WGLC.
>> -G
>> On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 10:09 AM Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Perhaps it is time for WG LC? I'd support that
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--000000000000f853300579e1fa0b-- From nobody Sun Nov 4 18:55:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62043129619; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:55:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 174tCjEd_PVZ; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-x12d.google.com (mail-it1-x12d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7CC55128BCC; Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:55:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-x12d.google.com with SMTP id e74-v6so10607433ita.2; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:55:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WiuNR88ZPZdzlGvaOIlykZZxmQElBJx1FaV/Ruj8ysY=; b=H1QVK4gyvkO3ytJHh0NXenUqLQKyia0qSGspa2nV9VcRNR6JuKXFz6Ed7t5Mx3C1ll wo2lxEKS9ExcnAunbxr0K8JpBf+nLfbvAgZVSxMI0n1naKYVEkW+fb/yNJD/JICGhLpK RRzzDoz3dOJx6DGAbVyRJGUWXR6OVbKdUuJewBbbUTA8RHyXAPfA6RQoF7URGRMOefj2 Yg+1cAcjMENV18sd9B5ulUGxxz+imQxCUB5MTgAzWLertbz8/phgu0XkFza3NYm8Ka2J knMzSCQwB4hd4Z9zNT9Q/gBMEmBkx6iH9syyyGI7Xmv5I7yys5vVHHkbIxOiFOrUjfWS XTLA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=WiuNR88ZPZdzlGvaOIlykZZxmQElBJx1FaV/Ruj8ysY=; b=GqdTHyKGxGy9xXL/9PzszrBaHeFKsI+LEPFsqaVvwhXG1i8bjEZSxMzkn4biUAldT8 ekuZwZuuTo5PbG927ZzSa/pvD0okmrKePJJBviaqdJhKiwGIOGJivWgqggeYVkscB2AT MH1JNjUKgUBFGRdCoT8QC2exkAiAOW122xD2Ny3wXNGAVS9wjAk6l0FyDjYC6tBzA5+B xXOFBhW2hscpn/yaQRfzjXQ2XrburxrCac4ONnRHp6gPWEaTtRQMQK/XPpFlUGWMzlE4 wN7l/Zx2WtG1cvl/6/RiXDgbzfbc55g4aYOdfXde8U/5gEc8d32KzeXATrSSQbx51lcs aBFQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gItTdbZs4nayb+GXVlQYaTSTvFWXylzQanpAMzndzSpGmqFDnri szi5d8CsHpo5i401SQb7ps/dFH4Yeh0Hgr11NvGs/JTmTqM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fuBAZ7bgraCzVW+vIkf5P8MXfLFiK/BMD/yBBlJhH4YE/bMF+amNsVBGQWOYQgR0HKOChZ0k7qZTllP6qp4+o= X-Received: by 2002:a24:f44a:: with SMTP id u10-v6mr5774517iti.53.1541386523272; Sun, 04 Nov 2018 18:55:23 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2018 13:55:12 +1100 Message-ID: To: sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002e6d7b0579e2040d" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal - ENDS Nov 26 2018 (11/26/2018) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 02:55:27 -0000 --0000000000002e6d7b0579e2040d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Howdy WG Folks, Please read/review the document: draft-ietf-sidrops-https-tal The abstract: "This document defines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). This document obsoletes RFC 7730 by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL." explains the gist, and the document is a short 10 page read/review... Let's have a read/comment and push to get this moved into the IESG process before xmas 2018! -chris co-chair-sidrops --0000000000002e6d7b0579e2040d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Howdy WG Folks,

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Please read/review the document:=C2=A0draft-ietf-sidrops-https-t= al

The abstract:
=C2=A0 "This document def= ines a Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) for the Resource
=C2=A0 =C2=A0P= ublic Key Infrastructure (RPKI).=C2=A0 This document obsoletes RFC 7730
=C2=A0 =C2=A0by adding support for HTTPS URIs in a TAL."
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explains the gist, and the document is a short 10 page r= ead/review... Let's have a read/comment and push to get this moved into= the IESG process before xmas 2018!

-chris
co-chair-sidrops
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X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2018 16:43:14 -0000 Sorry for the delay. I have read the document and support moving it forward= .=20 I have the following editorial suggestions: (1) Shouldn=92t RFC8205 be a normative reference?=20 (2) s/[RFC8205] describes gritty details/[RFC8205] describes the BGPsec pro= tocol/ (3) The following substitution: Old (at the top of p.5): Therefore, the operator transmits the AS it has chosen or the router and the BGP Identifier as well when it sends the CSR to the CA. New:=20 Therefore, the operator includes the chosen AS number and the BGP Identifier when it sends the CSR to the CA. The above sentence appears three times on p.5. So,please make them at least= consistent with each other. Thank you. 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([2001:67c:370:128:d547:ef99:7ab1:72b4]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u13-v6sm42526854pgp.18.2018.11.05.18.31.59 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Nov 2018 18:32:01 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Sean Turner In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 09:31:57 +0700 Cc: Roque Gagliano , Randy Bush , sidrops-chairs@ietf.org, sidrops@ietf.org, sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06411A9A-F68B-4D15-B6E6-18A73ABBA466@sn3rd.com> References: <14FDEA26-B8B7-41A9-8E19-31B0A3A2E708@cisco.com> To: Christopher Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC: draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying - ENDS: 10/31/2018 (halloscream!) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:32:06 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2018, at 09:18, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >=20 > Ok, I believe sean's efforts here lead to us agreeing to move forward. = If there are complaints from mgmt we can adjust the security = considerations portion to address those concerns, but for now... I'll = plan to push this forward to IESG by end of day today. >=20 > "Are there any IPR encumbered bits in this document?" (for the = authors, which I believe Randy said 'no' to... sean?) No > On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 7:10 AM Sean Turner wrote: >=20 >=20 > > On Nov 1, 2018, at 09:30, Roque Gagliano (rogaglia) = wrote: > >=20 > > Hi Randy/Chris, > >=20 > > I read the document and I found it well written. Probably Appendix B = is the clearest part BTW.=20 > >=20 > > I am going to jump do give two cosmetic comments. > >=20 > > 1) Why using "rtr" in the document's name? This got me confused that = the document was related to RFC6810. >=20 > Ah I see where that might be confusing for now, but rtr, which is = router, goes away when it gets published ;) >=20 > > 2) Section 3: You are giving as an option to use RFC2585. I = understand that we are only exchanging signed documents and there is no = need for SFTP/TLS but this may jump in further reviews from people = outside of this domain as "unsecured" because of its use for FTP/HTTP.=20= > >=20 > > Maybe we should add an obvious comment such as: "Each of these = options have security considerations described in the referred = documents.=E2=80=9D=20 >=20 > While the security considerations do not explicitly call out 2585, = there is this bit and we are kind of hoping that it covers a wide = variety of sins: >=20 > This document defines no protocols so in some sense introduces no = new > security considerations. However, it relies on many others and the > security considerations in the referenced documents should be > consulted; ... >=20 > spt >=20 > > Regards, > > Roque > >=20 > >=20 > > =E2=80=94=20 > >=20 > > =EF=BB=BFOn 01/11/18 13:24, "Sidrops on behalf of Randy Bush" = wrote: > >=20 > >> This didn't get any comments, so ... does that mean move forward? = (which > >> seems reasonable to me after a bunch of discussion in SIDR and = revisions > >> and comments there) > >=20 > > this is sidr[ops]. why don't we sit on it for a few years? > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > >=20 > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 From nobody Mon Nov 5 19:03:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DDF1276D0 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 19:03:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hGixeK_W5_ze for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 19:03:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-it1-x12b.google.com (mail-it1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7057127148 for ; Mon, 5 Nov 2018 19:03:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-it1-x12b.google.com with SMTP id h13so15956931itl.1 for ; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 19:03:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=+CP+8fVWnVwVPspLV1YIUNgsWgzjRNl30OMo8RqW4J0=; b=Uy0cofUO5FfqSiMIz/rzSczwQNN4c6yZtr9ZWnkXmFu4ofOx+mTAHzHb1mBHwt3HP4 9n7UdoYYYup/fybqjtGCOZCCENoWvKjm4ml91kcDWgMR26LKw81Uzl/TJDqFbFo08LHk ytY0TX+G2HKgHsCXNa4Y/YzRARepWjeUAqbdFGB+6yNlkFu2RUZHILNGu0g05n0A1jYH mhQEF1nsclyqgLLVB0OwkN7SdWVZTBunhTQbDVwWXI89QV5+otHpXmBWPt1MDwU15NOT xUqfY0Zf9zzmaCj7QRxiNk8gp8vc71zEG1vVGm09dweFiCZdIlTK54ge1Sbu1bLC2MaI /eEQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=+CP+8fVWnVwVPspLV1YIUNgsWgzjRNl30OMo8RqW4J0=; b=ZIBYzw4EKGuJBThZnNA20ezHxaWqbHrK0wn7NiEYeGjZ5nF1mBZbXhdEGpNXCmhTo1 Ougswx06bnCQpMSBj9G/SwrqXKcSwcyltWGnkIKExTPJk50pLpnwYIBEHCS0pGjVJBMb 6krvVc6NgNW67YkN4svdCrkYRC/+tgL44A/qE4CRz1P0XSDbAQwKY81LXJ8eYJ52T2Kj Uu1PH0n8qweE7IaIxqCskLVkiF53kHWPZN76BJXuTOgQeiA97tTUAj+jGcQ7qQLUTLd0 emwrMR+H1JC0sRNgDeqgwwOFSI/8CwV0PXF5GXqklxwysF36q4CSOdSBBhSibFBf0NjM R9Jw== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLlfKtQP9PPSogaJ2xOeX6wU8ni2+WiAPtSntZqVhYBZH5ELTt5 Axrm2Do2wL1v0dYfLFV1toH7JfE0NutcyvuMnJ0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5fhZ9xzBkycgyNYLHv/RPh53EEKbTyfs/rBMMX0f/rPmKhe+bYsNS+dNx0E+FZimG1ewMeHAff5UDZlfiHK9t0= X-Received: by 2002:a24:f44a:: with SMTP id u10-v6mr648176iti.53.1541473436048; Mon, 05 Nov 2018 19:03:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <277CCFB9-23FB-4ACF-B9BF-F2CBF4A781FF@arrcus.com> In-Reply-To: <277CCFB9-23FB-4ACF-B9BF-F2CBF4A781FF@arrcus.com> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 14:03:44 +1100 Message-ID: To: Keyur Patel Cc: sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009624b40579f64091" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:03:59 -0000 --0000000000009624b40579f64091 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" howdy sidrops folks! I believe we received all presentation materials for the meeting thurs... If you think you need to update you have until Thurs 9am local (bangkok) time. Remember send PDF or I convert with the shredder (it's what I call soffice)... :) -chris On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 4:15 AM Keyur Patel wrote: > Typo (Subject) fixed. > > > > Hi folks, > > > > SIDROPS will meet at IETF-103 on Tuesday, November 6th from 1:50 pm - 3:50 > pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris and me. > Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chairs by > Friday morning (11/2/2018). Slides received after the deadline may not be > available for use during the meeting. > > > > Regards, > > Chris and Keyur > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > --0000000000009624b40579f64091 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
howdy sidrops folks!
I believe we received all present= ation materials for the meeting thurs... If you think you need to update yo= u have until Thurs 9am local (bangkok) time.
Remember send PDF or= I convert with the shredder (it's what I call soffice)... :)

-chris

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 4:15 AM Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:

Typo (S= ubject) fixed.

= =C2=A0

Hi folk= s,

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SIDROPS= =C2=A0will meet at IETF-103 on Tuesday, November 6th from 1:50 pm - 3:50 pm= . Please forward any=C2=A0SIDROPS=C2=A0agenda items you may have to Chris a= nd me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chairs by Friday morning (11/2/2018). Slides received after the dea= dline may not be available for use during the meeting.

=C2=A0<= /span>

Regards= ,

Chris a= nd=C2=A0Keyur=C2=A0=

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On Tue= , Nov 6, 2018 at 3:43 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) <kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote:
Sorry for the delay. I have read the = document and support moving it forward.

I have the following editorial suggestions:

(1) Shouldn=E2=80=99t RFC8205 be a normative reference?

(2) s/[RFC8205] describes gritty details/[RFC8205] describes the BGPsec pro= tocol/

(3) The following substitution:

Old (at the top of p.5):
Therefore,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the operator transmits the AS it has chosen or the router and = the BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Identifier as well when it sends the CSR to the CA.

New:
Therefore,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the operator includes the chosen AS number and the BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Identifier when it sends the CSR to the CA.

The above sentence appears three times on p.5. So,please make them at least= consistent with each other.

Thank you.
Sriram


thanks! these seem like sane changes..= . which we can drop in=C2=A0 edit-buffer for revision post-iesg discussion,= I think?
=C2=A0
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X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 03:17:24 -0000 --0000000000008f49930579f6701c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable publication request was sent for this document. On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:06 PM Christopher Morrow < christopher.morrow@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:43 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) < > kotikalapudi.sriram@nist.gov> wrote: > >> Sorry for the delay. I have read the document and support moving it >> forward. >> >> I have the following editorial suggestions: >> >> (1) Shouldn=E2=80=99t RFC8205 be a normative reference? >> >> (2) s/[RFC8205] describes gritty details/[RFC8205] describes the BGPsec >> protocol/ >> >> (3) The following substitution: >> >> Old (at the top of p.5): >> Therefore, >> the operator transmits the AS it has chosen or the router and the BGP >> Identifier as well when it sends the CSR to the CA. >> >> New: >> Therefore, >> the operator includes the chosen AS number and the BGP >> Identifier when it sends the CSR to the CA. >> >> The above sentence appears three times on p.5. So,please make them at >> least consistent with each other. >> >> Thank you. >> Sriram >> >> > thanks! these seem like sane changes... which we can drop in edit-buffer > for revision post-iesg discussion, I think? > > --0000000000008f49930579f6701c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 2:06 PM C= hristopher Morrow <chris= topher.morrow@gmail.com> wrote:


On= Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 3:43 AM Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed) <kotikalapudi.sriram@nist= .gov> wrote:
Sorry for the d= elay. I have read the document and support moving it forward.

I have the following editorial suggestions:

(1) Shouldn=E2=80=99t RFC8205 be a normative reference?

(2) s/[RFC8205] describes gritty details/[RFC8205] describes the BGPsec pro= tocol/

(3) The following substitution:

Old (at the top of p.5):
Therefore,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the operator transmits the AS it has chosen or the router and = the BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Identifier as well when it sends the CSR to the CA.

New:
Therefore,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the operator includes the chosen AS number and the BGP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Identifier when it sends the CSR to the CA.

The above sentence appears three times on p.5. So,please make them at least= consistent with each other.

Thank you.
Sriram


thanks! these seem like sane changes..= . which we can drop in=C2=A0 edit-buffer for revision post-iesg discussion,= I think?
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Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:05:33 +0100 Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 15:05:27 +0700 From: Matthias Waehlisch To: "Borchert, Oliver (Fed)" cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <8A3A5C47-4469-4C3C-807B-22127CDAA4B2@nist.gov> Message-ID: References: <8A3A5C47-4469-4C3C-807B-22127CDAA4B2@nist.gov> User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (WNT 1167 2008-08-23) X-X-Sender: waehl@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="270845213-26552-1541490727=:19628" Content-ID: X-Originating-IP: 31.133.152.218 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Documents for "unverified" X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 08:05:37 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --270845213-26552-1541490727=:19628 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-ID: Hi Oliver, thanks! I think we had similar discussions multiple times in SIDR (e.g., "NotFound vs Uninitialized" in 2013). It would be helpful to first clarify what changed to reconsider this topic. Thanks matthias On Tue, 6 Nov 2018, Borchert, Oliver (Fed) wrote: > > The two drafts for the validation state “Unverified” can be found here: > >   > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-borchert-sidrops-rpki-state-unverified-00.txt > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-borchert-sidrops-bgpsec-state-unverified-00.txt > >   > >   > > Oliver > > > -- Matthias Waehlisch . Freie Universitaet Berlin, Computer Science .. http://www.cs.fu-berlin.de/~waehl --270845213-26552-1541490727=:19628-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 01:57:37 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76739128A5C for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Adi8grBR3y4O for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E4BCE1277C8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 01:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gJy6z-0001Rx-Uk; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:57:30 +0000 Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 16:57:27 +0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Christopher Morrow Cc: Keyur Patel , sidrops@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <277CCFB9-23FB-4ACF-B9BF-F2CBF4A781FF@arrcus.com> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 09:57:36 -0000 > I believe we received all presentation materials for the meeting > thurs... what time is the sidops meeting thursday? 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On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 8:57 PM Randy Bush <randy@psg.com> wrote:
> I believe we received all presentation mat= erials for the meeting
> thurs...

what time is the sidops meeting thursday?

it's at 13:50, in the=C2=A0=C2=A0Boromphimarn 1/2 room.
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--0000000000005a8bad0579fc164e-- From nobody Tue Nov 6 02:03:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F3921277C8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:03:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xA564ryQFTEg for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.rg.net (mail.rg.net [198.180.150.2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 068A8130EE7 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:03:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-8830.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.136.48]) by mail.rg.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gJyD0-00004x-7r; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:03:42 +0000 From: "Randy Bush" To: "Christopher Morrow" Cc: "Keyur Patel" , sidrops@ietf.org Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 17:03:35 +0700 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.1r5552) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <277CCFB9-23FB-4ACF-B9BF-F2CBF4A781FF@arrcus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:03:48 -0000 >>> I believe we received all presentation materials for the meeting >>> thurs... >> >> what time is the sidops meeting thursday? > > it's at 13:50, in the Boromphimarn 1/2 room. not on https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/103/ From nobody Tue Nov 6 02:06:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5684A1277C8 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:06:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IexkEdoiyyIM for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-io1-xd33.google.com (mail-io1-xd33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d33]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF111130FF0 for ; Tue, 6 Nov 2018 02:06:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-io1-xd33.google.com with SMTP id d80-v6so8805844iof.1 for ; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:06:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ITacVn6tTjEOBbEnN79s8G4hu4IsdGF1lsXTjksv7P0=; b=iG4/l3EyVlG30CgtiC9TWqd9dDzebqjwGYxQaKKShfwPg6Vn2FA3AkACra0U3x7H9x MXA8iJHvLXvyKjbOxfDX9MzYuAcbY+fg48SPjZnwXCmnEyKSnvEAQ+MdsJAEuBxGRZ1v BJgTE1VJAGGaxkC8+JMVnMsw2hUEEA5gTobUUf8AoMqn/vc0K3y92riTVll8e1Cy7Rhy 2IgoZlEofOdEMwNAbAZRQaTQMjtwLWL5gU38PJJ5FSF99fMNCCQhewejeYeihHqmLl/J qUeKzrkznwf/1k56S9rirXOexYxHdYnkbx1zD9+Ofx13gMFU6FGhkgVqPhZl9qm2dQnk 4hwQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ITacVn6tTjEOBbEnN79s8G4hu4IsdGF1lsXTjksv7P0=; b=PFbtMoX92T4eqmFamLGJ2G/ev5/meqhy2dutiFO28s6jtBZEf13tj/ZTse2FS0/2U4 DtWH1JtqUHNtVmDUJxtYzDG5NNy0UGKN5mpu3ub79bDzj45L86xSwEwPDpDjF/duvlIw RuF9DMMuwnElcQdyCxWKd1AKH++8K0cAUU2BAcRCztfKCQ5uiHuXehZdw7oStIHe6Dy9 Z+bkOK46X6o02/eACMnx1EC3lO8LU6x/UsCspHJjjuL6WgYFfz7R0bVuIUCwzyAbQ4oj WIcTCCjtVv29f6qeHQl/4+FsQT/xqzGIMcdGEYXGyBS9ofyv18Row958Lnuewm3Mp0Lf DdXg== X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gLwPqv3Fy4dDzroj9eEcz1txCDjoDr2CJWjqJOzjC/vN+YXMk+F AftEVN4/bzAmw3VcxvUNgaVtay/hqd0jXWPL7f+fQ0F+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5eFyKn4bkRe4qWVDePSiy8OVyDIe0jnEH6SKItVSePSXWYi6FACwWxsqtG/o2g/X9r/mJ+ZjmKFCDseVdAChKQ= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:de45:: with SMTP id e5-v6mr19091438ioq.235.1541498794806; Tue, 06 Nov 2018 02:06:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <277CCFB9-23FB-4ACF-B9BF-F2CBF4A781FF@arrcus.com> In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2018 21:06:23 +1100 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: Keyur Patel , sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001617b40579fc2805" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Call for SIDROPS WG Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2018 10:06:39 -0000 --0000000000001617b40579fc2805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 9:03 PM Randy Bush wrote: > >>> I believe we received all presentation materials for the meeting > >>> thurs... > >> > >> what time is the sidops meeting thursday? > > > > it's at 13:50, in the Boromphimarn 1/2 room. > > not on https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/103/ someone must be mistaken :) (I thought I was clear in the meeting in person that I was mistaken earlier) --0000000000001617b40579fc2805 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Tue= , Nov 6, 2018 at 9:03 PM Randy Bush <ra= ndy@psg.com> wrote:
>>= > I believe we received all presentation materials for the meeting
>>> thurs...
>>
>> what time is the sidops meeting thursday?
>
> it's at 13:50, in the=C2=A0 Boromphimarn 1/2 room.

not on https://tools.ietf.org/agenda/103/
someone must be mistaken :)
(I thought I was clear in= the meeting in person that I was mistaken earlier)=C2=A0
--0000000000001617b40579fc2805-- From nobody Fri Nov 16 06:13:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D343412426A for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:13:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ucDP_YhGk_0V for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [IPv6:2001:418:3ff:3::22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ACB58128BCC for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:13:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail3.mlpsca01.us.to.gin.ntt.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1gNesB-000CXX-SJ (job@us.ntt.net) for sidrops@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:13:28 +0000 Received: by mail-oi1-f176.google.com with SMTP id a77so13805675oii.5 for ; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:13:27 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AGRZ1gKaKaGozxRP8Q+K6iXV9MxkIzeMEHg+zgYOIj15lAv2/u6mkcw8 pxC4e+B3RMn6QbqccGfinUtMflL6UPBNEfF/8Fy9Ig== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/UTmrgxoaHeQvsaMnkowORE+vPO++fsqR0IourXEcLDTNWnZy/kZOQ1/+vA1ajaSYPyvZN+Qh5tGEf1cI56iBM= X-Received: by 2002:aca:68c2:: with SMTP id o63mr1070911oik.293.1542377606911; Fri, 16 Nov 2018 06:13:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Job Snijders Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 15:13:15 +0100 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] Fwd: [routing-wg] Community-driven FAQ for RPKI X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2018 14:13:32 -0000 Dear SIDROPS, if you have a moment - please take a look at the RPKI FAQ we're putting together. Kind regards, Job ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Alex Band Date: Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 3:09 PM Subject: [routing-wg] Community-driven FAQ for RPKI To: We put together a Frequently Asked Questions document for the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). The aim is to provide a comprehensive overview of common questions that network operators and interested parties ask about the technology itself and the deployment of it, along with peer reviewed answers. To make this truly inclusive, it is available as an open source project on Github, allowing you to fork, do a pull request with an edit or addition, or open an issue in case you have suggestion. The original content was written by David Monosov, Melchior Aelmans, Job Snijders and myself, along with contributions from network operators around the world. The Github project is available here: https://github.com/NLnetLabs/rpki-faq The contents are automatically published on the NLnet Labs website: https://nlnetlabs.nl/projects/rpki/faq/ Many thanks to the NLNOG community for getting this off the ground. 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We expect the upgrade to take no longer than a few hours. Apologies for = any inconvenience this may cause. https://www.ripe.net/support/service-announcements/rpki-planned-downtime = = Kind regards,=20 Thiago da Cruz - RIPE NCC= --Apple-Mail=_EA7B764A-4692-4B76-AC32-D7AEA8D4ECA7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = all, 

We=E2=80=99ll be running an = upgrade on our infrastructure on Monday 26 November from 08:00 = UTC. 
The RSYNC and RRDP repositories will be = accessible, but the up down protocol, the RPKI user interface on my.ripe.net, and REST API = will be unavailable during the upgrade.

We = expect the upgrade to take no longer than a few hours. Apologies for any = inconvenience this may cause.

https://www.ripe.net/support/service-announcements/rpki-planned= -downtime

Kind regards, 
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--00000000000089ca03057bcda562-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 17:49:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06A2129C6A for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:49:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.358 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.358 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wat1SRcWRH8O for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm1-x334.google.com (mail-wm1-x334.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::334]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31095124408 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:49:50 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x334.google.com with SMTP id a18so4151712wmj.1 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:49:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AvFdfcNHoYOHcKqD0hTqMa+ZMlUHK03uBZBEGs0OngQ=; b=udXcKOOYuM8KkvbB2rUwDPSBxZniBlM2a9XkV5MrlaFk/9cpwQ6FqCrvOJBBp1PC5G 4lKMKd/9ilulHluPlFXbL7f2BDHEi56jOhbuR0ihd0PQaRUl7e0fsZp5Vw6kmwQtzU5i j3wIyvkK4Wh9gwwLKaBqgO6q0wGXbZ/2kuIlHe/6ZbiftU6sWA1fP2ryCKIMhY0HfE4f lGcFN3OizQDS3+S1AyvOD/vrOQjshI9s//PoHDx8xATJn5myjvJCR6n3Tulg8RaXbr0G 3wxp407OElJ1bWRU/ZtMhBrkxiYYKxZk9Gh4DrswPlksjYRNqFRbdazWNTlty/4lXTLs UkIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=AvFdfcNHoYOHcKqD0hTqMa+ZMlUHK03uBZBEGs0OngQ=; b=M2iIyRAqEPhrwsPuw79TnRcmlbBmPOLGR6J91/eCMXqcvbvfDmNkl+B9WWkWRmfEbI c9UVTdSl3S//tfHo6erTcvWBAo24y1uUQev+OvrDG2TfIYwU2aBxp+DUn4udZZuSEcsY JnNV9TeOBoRru9bdyksbxlsaecYmIyVfZudq1FsEFLON8n4C61kQKdsP6AAxP99rL23e 9MGhMXI4iM+WBli2+VZwDUGZQnJJMTEx2tbtPohC+TXj7oaszT7gBLFUR9WtIYv9l6Pn lDsZN6mAO+wEDBLqHRvQ55TZFnWnNCBy0AAW5do5VRk6a8WKL55wsORQ1WkADRnl9C0E 7k1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWag+nRl0XGh4G1aY0xH3BLoP0uECFh2uH3DTiF9Jnu3VbXeGUw8 s0+wAs11u7NgfrcZXamLm2xdSkXz7T40W+kMJeYqjg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Uu+LLUQbfN5wQ7bdwqu6RK9aS/EEN+rFdHU0YhFsP3BSSc5nVmqGgs2mBtgidwVp/dc9uQB3FDgPCry7Zhmvo= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f605:: with SMTP id w5mr806885wmc.116.1543542588167; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 17:49:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Warren Kumari Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2018 20:49:11 -0500 Message-ID: To: draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying.all@ietf.org, sidrops@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000a9e50f057bd8034d" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] AD Review of draft-ietf-sidrops-rtr-keying X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 01:49:53 -0000 --000000000000a9e50f057bd8034d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you to the editors, SIDR and SIDROPS for your efforts on this document, it's a well written and easy to understand draft. This document is currently blocking the publication of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover/ (for 344 days!), so I'm eager to get it out the door (and apologies for it taking almost a month for my AD review!) I do have a few editorial nits, and incorrect section numbers, that I=E2=80= =99d like addressed before I start IETF LC =E2=80=94 addressing these now will h= elp avoid issues later in the process...[0] Section 1: ------------- 1: "For example, when an operator wants to support hot-swappable routers the same private key needs to be ..." [O] to support hot-swappable routers the same private key [P] to support hot-swappable routers, the same private key [R] readability/grammar 2: "The remainder of this document describes how operators can use the two methods to provision new and existing routers. The methods described involve the operator configuring the two end points (i.e., the management station and the router) and acting as the intermediary. Section 7 describes a method that requires more capable routers." [C]: I **think** that this is actually Section 8? Section 5.2. Operator-Generated Keys --------------------------------------- 3: That is the operator can verify the proof of possession [O] That is the operator [P] That is, the operator [R] readability (POP), as required by [RFC6484]. Section 7. Install Certificate ------------------------------ 4: To perform this verification the CA [O] To perform this verification the CA [P] To perform this verification, the CA [R] grammar certificate chain needs to be returned along with the router's certificate in the PKCS#7 certs-only message. Section 8. Advanced Deployment Scenarios ---------------------------------------------- 5: When a router is so configured the communication with the CA SHOULD [O] When a router is so configured the communication [P] When a router is so configured, the communication [R] grammar be automatically re-established by the router at future times to renew or rekey the certificate automatically when necessary (See Section 8). NOTE: I believe that this is now Section 9... Section 9.1. Key Validity -------------------------- 6: Regardless of the technique used to track router certificate expiry times, it is advisable to notify additional operators in the same organization as the expiry time approaches thereby ensuring that the [O] as the expiry time approaches thereby ensuring [P] as the expiry time approaches, thereby ensuring [R] grammar forgetfulness of one operator does not affect the entire organization. Section 9.3. Key Revocation ------------------------------- 7: Certain unfortunate circumstances may occur causing a need to revoke [O] Certain unfortunate circumstances may occur causing a need to revoke a router's BGPsec certificate. [P] In certain circumstances, a router's BGPsec certificate may need to be revoked. [R] readability a router's BGPsec certificate. 8: router's certificate, (possibly distributing a new key and certificate to the router), and distributing the status takes time [O] distributing the status takes time [P] distributing the status, takes time [R] readability. Or, better, could this be broken up into either a list or two sentences? during which the operator must decide how they wish to maintain 9: Keeping the router operational and BGPsec-speaking is the ideal goal, but if operational practices do not allow this then reconfiguring the [O] goal, but if operational practices do not allow this [P] goal; but, if operational practices do not allow this, [R] grammar router to disable BGPsec is likely preferred to bringing the router offline. 10: and then make a next generation soon-to-be- operational key, all hopefully without needing to take offline or [O] key, all hopefully [P] key. Hopefully, all this can be done [R] readability reboot the router. Section 9.4. Router Replacement ------------------------------------- 11: To allow operators to quickly replace routers without requiring update and distribution of the corresponding public keys in the RPKI, routers SHOULD allow the private BGPsec key to inserted via a [O] to inserted [P] to be inserted protected channel, e.g., SSH, NetConf (see [RFC6470]), SNMP. Section 10. Security Considerations ------------------------------------ 12: This document defines no protocols so in some sense introduces no new [O] no protocols so in some sense [P] no protocols. So, in some sense, it [R] readability security considerations. However, it relies on many others and the security considerations in the referenced documents should be consulted; notably, those document listed in Section 1 should be consulted first. 13: PKI-relying protocols, of which BGPsec is one, have many issues to consider so many in fact entire books have been [O] to consider so many in fact entire books [P] to consider - so many, in fact, that entire books [R] readability/grammar 14: written to address them; so listing all PKI-related security considerations is neither useful nor helpful; regardless, some boot- [O] helpful; regardless, [P] helpful. Regardless, [R] strapping-related issues are listed here that are worth repeating: 15: Public-Private key pair generation: Mistakes here are for all practical purposes catastrophic because PKIs rely on the pairing [O] Mistakes here are for all practical purposes [P] Mistakes here are, for all practical purposes, [R] readability/grammar of a difficult to generate public-private key pair with a signer; all key pairs MUST be generated from a good source of non- deterministic random input [RFC4086]. 16: Private key protection at rest: Mistakes here are for all practical purposes catastrophic because disclosure of the private key allows [P] same as prior comment another entity to masquerade as (i.e., impersonate) the signer; 17: Private key protection in transit: Mistakes here are for all practical purposes catastrophic because disclosure of the private [P] same as two prior. key allows another entity to masquerade as (i.e., impersonate) the signer; ------------------------------------------- Please let me know LOUDLY once you've had a chance to look at these, and I'll kick of IETF LC. W [0]: Once people start pointing out nits, they seem to continue (and yes, I get the irony :-)) -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --000000000000a9e50f057bd8034d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you to the editors, SIDR and SIDROPS for your effort= s on this document, it's a well written and easy to understand draft. T= his document is currently blocking the publication of https://datatra= cker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-bgpsec-rollover/ (for 344 days!), = so I'm eager to get it out the door (and apologies for it taking almost= a month for my AD review!)

I do have a few editorial nits, and inco= rrect section numbers, that I=E2=80=99d like addressed before I start IETF = LC =E2=80=94 addressing these now will help avoid issues later in the proce= ss...[0]

Section 1:
-------------
1: "For example, when a= n operator wants to support hot-swappable routers the same private key need= s to be ..."
[O] to support hot-swappable routers the same private = key
[P] to support hot-swappable routers, the same private key
[R] re= adability/grammar


2: "The remainder of this document descri= bes how operators can use the
two methods to provision new and existing = routers.=C2=A0 The methods
described involve the operator configuring th= e two end points (i.e.,
the management station and the router) and actin= g as the
intermediary.=C2=A0 Section 7 describes a method that requires = more
capable routers."
[C]: I **think** that this is actually Se= ction 8?


Section 5.2.=C2=A0 Operator-Generated Keys
---------= ------------------------------
3: That is the operator can verify the pr= oof of possession
[O] That is the operator
[P] That is, the operator<= br>[R] readability
(POP), as required by [RFC6484].

Section 7.=C2= =A0 Install Certificate
------------------------------
4: To perform = this verification the CA
[O] To perform this verification the CA
[P] = To perform this verification, the CA
[R] grammar
certificate chain ne= eds to be returned along with the router's
certificate in the PKCS#7= certs-only message.

Section 8.=C2=A0 Advanced Deployment Scenarios<= br>----------------------------------------------
5: When a router is so= configured the communication with the CA SHOULD
[O] When a router is so= configured the communication
[P] When a router is so configured, the co= mmunication
[R] grammar
be automatically re-established by the router= at future times to
renew or rekey the certificate automatically when ne= cessary (See
Section 8).

NOTE: I believe that this is now Section= 9...


Section 9.1.=C2=A0 Key Validity
-----------------------= ---
6: Regardless of the technique used to track router certificate expi= ry
times, it is advisable to notify additional operators in the same
= organization as the expiry time approaches thereby ensuring that the
[O]= as the expiry time approaches thereby ensuring
[P] as the expiry time a= pproaches, thereby ensuring
[R] grammar
forgetfulness of one operator= does not affect the entire
organization.

Section 9.3.=C2=A0 Key = Revocation
-------------------------------
7: Certain unfortunate cir= cumstances may occur causing a need to revoke
[O] Certain unfortunate ci= rcumstances may occur causing a need to revoke a router's BGPsec certif= icate.
[P] In certain circumstances, a router's BGPsec certificate m= ay need to be revoked.
[R] readability
a router's BGPsec certific= ate.

8: router's certificate, (possibly distributing a new key a= nd
certificate to the router), and distributing the status takes time[O] distributing the status takes time
[P] distributing the status, tak= es time
[R] readability. Or, better, could this be broken up into either= a list or two sentences?
during which the operator must decide how they= wish to maintain


9: Keeping the router operational and BGPsec-s= peaking is the ideal goal,
but if operational practices do not allow thi= s then reconfiguring the
[O] goal,
but if operational practices do no= t allow this
[P] goal; but, if operational practices do not allow this,<= br>[R] grammar
router to disable BGPsec is likely preferred to bringing = the router
offline.

10: and then make a next generation soon-to-b= e-
operational key, all hopefully without needing to take offline or
= [O] key, all hopefully
[P] key. Hopefully, all this can be done
[R] r= eadability
reboot the router.


Section 9.4.=C2=A0 Router Repla= cement
-------------------------------------
11: To allow operators t= o quickly replace routers without requiring
update and distribution of t= he corresponding public keys in the RPKI,
routers SHOULD allow the priva= te BGPsec key to inserted via a
[O] to inserted
[P] to be insertedprotected channel, e.g., SSH, NetConf (see [RFC6470]), SNMP.


Se= ction 10.=C2=A0 Security Considerations
--------------------------------= ----
12: This document defines no protocols so in some sense introduces = no new
[O] no protocols so in some sense
[P] no protocols. So, in som= e sense, it
[R] readability

security considerations.=C2=A0 Howeve= r, it relies on many others and the
security considerations in the refer= enced documents should be
consulted; notably, those document listed in S= ection 1 should be
consulted first.

13: =C2=A0PKI-relying protoc= ols, of which BGPsec is one, have
many issues to consider so many in fac= t entire books have been
[O] to consider so many in fact entire books[P] to consider - so many, in fact, that entire books
[R] readability/g= rammar

14: written to address them; so listing all PKI-related secur= ity
considerations is neither useful nor helpful; regardless, some boot-=
[O] helpful; regardless,
[P] helpful. Regardless,
[R]
strappin= g-related issues are listed here that are worth repeating:


15: P= ublic-Private key pair generation: =C2=A0Mistakes here are for all
pract= ical purposes catastrophic because PKIs rely on the pairing
[O] Mistakes= here are for all practical purposes
[P] Mistakes here are, for all prac= tical purposes,
[R] readability/grammar
of a difficult to generate pu= blic-private key pair with a signer;
all key pairs MUST be generated fro= m a good source of non-
deterministic random input [RFC4086].

16:= Private key protection at rest: =C2=A0Mistakes here are for all practical<= br>purposes catastrophic because disclosure of the private key allows
[P= ] same as prior comment
another entity to masquerade as (i.e., impersona= te) the signer;

17: Private key protection in transit: =C2=A0Mistake= s here are for all
practical purposes catastrophic because disclosure of= the private
[P] same as two prior.
key allows another entity to masq= uerade as (i.e., impersonate) the
signer;

-----------------------= --------------------

Please let me know LOUDLY once you've had a= chance to look at these, and I'll kick of IETF LC.

W
[0]: On= ce people start pointing out nits, they seem to continue (and yes, I get th= e irony :-))



--
I don't think the execution is releva= nt when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like put= ting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having cho= sen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0= ---maf
--000000000000a9e50f057bd8034d-- From nobody Thu Nov 29 23:30:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 713F512D4F0 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:30:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0wic58LricCy for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:30:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from dist7.nic.ad.jp (dist7.nic.ad.jp [IPv6:2001:dc2:1000:2004::7]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0EEA126CB6 for ; Thu, 29 Nov 2018 23:30:32 -0800 (PST) From: Taiji Kimura Authentication-Results: localhost; dkim=permerror (bad message/signature format) Authentication-Results: dist7.nic.ad.jp; dkim=permerror (bad message/signature format) Openpgp: preference=signencrypt To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 16:30:26 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] passed nextUpdate in CRL and manifest X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 07:30:35 -0000 Hello, CRL and manifest issued with JPNIC's CA had been passed their nextUpdate in Nov 10. Sorry for your inconvenience. # JPNIC is operating RPKI CA (as a testing service) for resources # allocated from APNIC. The CA's repository (rpki-repository.nic.ad.jp) has been kept. Resource certificates had enough time until their expiration. But the CA (issuing server) located in different building had been affected from scheduled power outage. CRL and manifest (6 hours as nextUpdate for both - is the time for recovery.) had not been updated during the outage. ROV results should had been "Not Found" for 11 hours. The nextUpdate value was modified already as enough time for our service recovery. Some monitoring functions on object's validity will be reconsidered because this issue was notified by a user. -- kimura taiji