From nobody Mon Nov 4 06:24:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CBD120099 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:24:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yaJUjDHC2k4j for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:24:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2a04:b900::1:0:0:10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF31F1200E7 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 06:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:5cb7:deb5:a4be:9c86] (unknown [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:5cb7:deb5:a4be:9c86]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B2A6424150; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:24:07 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=nlnetlabs.nl Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=tim@nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1572877447; bh=xs1YAsC5zA10Uj8RqcfjsguB8jIyz3mBjRDY71NTIhk=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=RQairhLnIZ1zW8M//7smvUyfA9jmyHsRTW23e9/oDUPNIDgVxnrq22KfL5Vnax11h 2Sf9K343ROn1+CI9skqjQFBHJk7S8jpZ6APvG8aPOcdvw0Tr47iWQmeLgoC6kRfhzv t/QXchR0NWs6Am5W5sgIw2IfzbOmzzRssJ/XCmOA= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_DEAF2C05-F348-4836-9858-ABD5BF3D0347" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3594.4.19\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: <0E85EC25-8EDC-4DFB-9A24-A311989809FD@arrcus.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 15:24:07 +0100 Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Message-Id: <21606311-A549-4537-938C-0FBFBEE71E10@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <0E85EC25-8EDC-4DFB-9A24-A311989809FD@arrcus.com> To: Keyur Patel X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3594.4.19) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] IETF106 -- Singapore -- Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:24:12 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_DEAF2C05-F348-4836-9858-ABD5BF3D0347 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi Keyur, WG, > On 28 Oct 2019, at 13:53, Keyur Patel wrote: >=20 > Ack. Please make sure to submit the draft before the cut-off. = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync= / = I just wrote this in my name, but I have spoken with some other people = who may want to co-author if this goes further. For now, I just wanted to get a -00 out there, so we can discuss as a = WG. Thanks, Tim >=20 > Regards, > Keyur >=20 >> On Oct 28, 2019, at 12:54 AM, Tim Bruijnzeels = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF Hi Keyur, >>=20 >> I would like to take 10-15 minutes to talk about phasing out rsync as = a mandatory transport in future.=20 >>=20 >> Spoiler: I believe that we can should start a discussion to make RRDP = mandatory to implement, and rsync optional. But we need to do an = inventory, and probably do measurements to track capabilities of servers = and RPs. There is no draft yet, but I will submit something before the = cut-off. >>=20 >> Tim >>=20 >>> On 25 Oct 2019, at 18:39, Keyur Patel > wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi folks, >>> =20 >>> SIDROPS will meet at IETF106 on Wednesday, November 20th from 3:20 = pm =E2=80=93 4:50 pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may = have to Chris and me. Please also make sure that your slides are = available to the chairs by Friday morning (11/15/2019). Slides received = after the deadline may not be available for use during the meeting. >>> =20 >>> Regards, >>> Chris and Keyur=20 >>> =20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sidrops mailing list >>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops = > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops --Apple-Mail=_DEAF2C05-F348-4836-9858-ABD5BF3D0347 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Keyur, WG,

On = 28 Oct 2019, at 13:53, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> wrote:

Ack. Please make sure to submit the draft = before the cut-off.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-depr= ecate-rsync/

I just wrote this = in my name, but I have spoken with some other people who may want to = co-author if this goes further.

For = now, I just wanted to get a -00 out there, so we can discuss as a = WG.

Thanks,
Tim





Regards,
Keyur

On Oct 28, 2019, at 12:54 AM, Tim = Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF Hi Keyur,

I would like to take 10-15 minutes to talk about phasing = out rsync as a mandatory transport in future. 

Spoiler: I believe that we can should start a discussion = to make RRDP mandatory to implement, and rsync optional. But we need to = do an inventory, and probably do measurements to track capabilities of = servers and RPs. There is no draft yet, but I will submit something before the cut-off.

Tim

On 25 Oct 2019, at 18:39, Keyur Patel <keyur@arrcus.com> = wrote:

Hi folks,
 
SIDROPS will meet at = IETF106 on Wednesday, November 20th from 3:20 pm =E2=80=93 4:50 pm. = Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chris = and me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the = chairs by Friday morning (11/15/2019). Slides received after the deadline may = not be available for use during the meeting.
 
Regards,
Chris = and Keyur 
 
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= --Apple-Mail=_DEAF2C05-F348-4836-9858-ABD5BF3D0347-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 08:36:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3FE120105 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:36:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8E2yU_S9gYy for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk1-x72e.google.com (mail-qk1-x72e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8913B120831 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:36:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk1-x72e.google.com with SMTP id 71so18257758qkl.0 for ; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:36:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IsUE1bCdoxAosYdpp+sWcC11XHNjmHl2yO/fbcGmA/M=; b=dIq5pjqDKn0BHdciQB13otJZfWC6JDOvgqrpEgXiVMvORy0TfMmkP+ovjdMFfwx8Vx UtZslz5foP+JRxzKoSsYq0Xr7ldbM0G1QcJ9IdDZvfTa9g53uTf1TSbtbQ6txVg1B0yS AQC4dHBcdVxv3IBe+IJ260g9tPYgnuQSIHqsYx1vJP7Z+SVDx8/oi8pk+rV1p3YYUZtN cwLOtlrnqSK6RuASXGFi8UdoP7p0GsSP3KK8r6GyqyfTUFArO4V3eiYrncS8f5yt05zA J1C4+pVNlaDdpRZtMcSjc5vTcM0sZ+duaYDMvO74GlGaeEd8vkID4fqdWbtFAZ+VqpkY XmIg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=IsUE1bCdoxAosYdpp+sWcC11XHNjmHl2yO/fbcGmA/M=; b=uf8bFgt/tY8OVi4pwB93w8Ppnx17RCegXVwxUKrmmJVY2vxFn+srW9ksI6DQJ7ahNI RyxmTO/IyIVl4w2FScn30U5GM0T3kuzTJupf3p/wa+iHTbyhvyqgONY7DHPn1tegCi2h 4jLKUCMwlDyoJxT2pYQFs12h7dkgYllEB4uAusvrvbkL9GkYt+CLDt2OlGmob9X2H2j4 nDWa3+tmwdTf1DO91/1YyDK8gYulTQ19LcNo6QTAkNDtwtUCBTvyYzu3fKkX0RF63sDk 9IV+xRsihLtg3BTI+4CF8VGxcBzU4tRgOIk+Yx3IkRtkYrPic3xx+ykFuveRrOsK34Qj SCtg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAUGiq4QzhuNsvclgBti/imbUXNxq69O9YXU7lequwPorDNPZdRd xBxG6TW8XWyM5yH9OES6y8xEWm4fOoq47SBvJ8w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxzr8nQywoMIRNmxvAThgJKTLuLRV918g+D0+sx0iZAgma112OPGb7zaV9DLrQGv8UYADSp95eFER+NHiKbphs= X-Received: by 2002:a37:4bc6:: with SMTP id y189mr8011438qka.388.1572885399291; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:36:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0E85EC25-8EDC-4DFB-9A24-A311989809FD@arrcus.com> <21606311-A549-4537-938C-0FBFBEE71E10@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: <21606311-A549-4537-938C-0FBFBEE71E10@nlnetlabs.nl> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:36:27 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: Keyur Patel , "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] IETF106 -- Singapore -- Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:36:43 -0000 this would be grand to discuss. On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 9:24 AM Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > > Hi Keyur, WG, > > On 28 Oct 2019, at 13:53, Keyur Patel wrote: > > Ack. Please make sure to submit the draft before the cut-off. > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsyn= c/ > > I just wrote this in my name, but I have spoken with some other people wh= o may want to co-author if this goes further. > > For now, I just wanted to get a -00 out there, so we can discuss as a WG. > > Thanks, > Tim > > > > > > Regards, > Keyur > > On Oct 28, 2019, at 12:54 AM, Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF Hi Keyur, > > I would like to take 10-15 minutes to talk about phasing out rsync as a m= andatory transport in future. > > Spoiler: I believe that we can should start a discussion to make RRDP man= datory to implement, and rsync optional. But we need to do an inventory, an= d probably do measurements to track capabilities of servers and RPs. There = is no draft yet, but I will submit something before the cut-off. > > Tim > > On 25 Oct 2019, at 18:39, Keyur Patel wrote: > > Hi folks, > > SIDROPS will meet at IETF106 on Wednesday, November 20th from 3:20 pm =E2= =80=93 4:50 pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Chr= is and me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chai= rs by Friday morning (11/15/2019). Slides received after the deadline may n= ot be available for use during the meeting. > > Regards, > Chris and Keyur > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Nov 4 09:18:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01A96120C6F for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:18:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mCbgpzmoUChu for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5196120C54 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 09:18:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRfzu-00051d-Nj for sidrops@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:18:34 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 09:18:34 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: SIDR Operations WG User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] draft-ymbk-sidrops-transfer-00.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:18:42 -0000 to deal with a discussion in the ripe routing wg, i just republished the 2015 document draft-ymbk-sidr-transfer-01.txt as draft-ymbk-sidrops-transfer-00.txt randy From nobody Mon Nov 4 10:49:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11768120114 for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:49:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4tLDeSqSCXXk for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D101412011F for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:49:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRhPj-0005Hl-R9; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:49:20 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 10:49:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: Keyur Patel , "sidrops@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <21606311-A549-4537-938C-0FBFBEE71E10@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <0E85EC25-8EDC-4DFB-9A24-A311989809FD@arrcus.com> <21606311-A549-4537-938C-0FBFBEE71E10@nlnetlabs.nl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] IETF106 -- Singapore -- Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:49:25 -0000 tim, great to get the draft out there. wish it was more specific about how this is operationally accomplished. e.g. from the discussion i was trying to have with you: 0 - publishers publish rcynic and some rrdp. rps use rcynic and some use rrdp 1 - all publishers offer both. 2 - then you can ask all rps to move to rrdp and prefer it 3 - you can see, at the publishers, when no rcynic requests come 4 - you can turn off rcynic at the publishers 5 - you can remove rcynic from the rps randy From nobody Mon Nov 4 11:19:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95420120018; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:19:36 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <157289517654.13948.17911911570109697955@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:19:36 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-profile-01.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:19:37 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : A Profile for Autonomous System Provider Authorization Authors : Alexander Azimov Eugene Uskov Randy Bush Keyur Patel Job Snijders Russ Housley Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-profile-01.txt Pages : 9 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document defines a standard profile for Autonomous System Provider Authorization in the Resource Public Key Infrastructure. An Autonomous System Provider Authorization is a digitally signed object that provides a means of verifying that a Customer Autonomous System holder has authorized members of Provider set to be its upstream providers and for the Providers to send prefixes received from the Customer Autonomous System in all directions including providers and peers. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-profile/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-profile-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-profile-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-profile-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 4 11:23:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84682120806; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 11:23:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <157289539649.13992.14450626439635736609@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:23:16 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:23:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Verification of AS_PATH Using the Resource Certificate Public Key Infrastructure and Autonomous System Provider Authorization Authors : Alexander Azimov Eugene Bogomazov Keyur Patel Job Snijders Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-02.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document defines the semantics of an Autonomous System Provider Authorization object in the Resource Public Key Infrastructure to verify the AS_PATH attribute of routes advertised in the Border Gateway Protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Hi all,

I would like to take 10 minutes= for ASPA drafts update.

=D0=BF=D0=BD, 4 =D0=BD=D0=BE=D1=8F=D0=B1. 201= 9 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 21:49, Randy Bush <ran= dy@psg.com>:
tim,

great to get the draft out there.=C2=A0 wish it was more specific about how=
this is operationally accomplished.=C2=A0 e.g. from the discussion i was trying to have with you:

0 - publishers publish rcynic and some rrdp.=C2=A0 rps use rcynic and some<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 use rrdp

1 - all publishers offer both.

2 - then you can ask all rps to move to rrdp and prefer it

3 - you can see, at the publishers, when no rcynic requests come

4 - you can turn off rcynic at the publishers

5 - you can remove rcynic from the rps


randy

_______________________________________________
Sidrops mailing list
Sidrops@ietf.org<= br> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops


--
Best regards,
Alexander Azi= mov
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Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:46:19 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 11:46:18 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Keyur Patel Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: References: <0E85EC25-8EDC-4DFB-9A24-A311989809FD@arrcus.com> <21606311-A549-4537-938C-0FBFBEE71E10@nlnetlabs.nl> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] IETF106 -- Singapore -- Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:46:27 -0000 and we probably should spend a few minutes on the make before break issue, which the exhumation of the transfer draft is meant to help. randy From nobody Mon Nov 4 11:48:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D066A1207FF for ; 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Mon, 4 Nov 2019 12:39:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <157289998902.13976.10522374735119204760@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 12:39:49 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-03.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 20:39:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : Verification of AS_PATH Using the Resource Certificate Public Key Infrastructure and Autonomous System Provider Authorization Authors : Alexander Azimov Eugene Bogomazov Randy Bush Keyur Patel Job Snijders Filename : draft-ietf-sidrops-aspa-verification-03.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document defines the semantics of an Autonomous System Provider Authorization object in the Resource Public Key Infrastructure to verify the AS_PATH attribute of routes advertised in the Border Gateway Protocol. 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As it was suggested in this thread, the ASPA object is transformed to (customer, set_of_providers). We also added 'unknown' state for verification procedure that might be useful at medium/high adoption rates. There are other minor changes in the documents, including some drawings, which, I hope, will make the algorithm easier to read. We are looking for your feedback, and it is time to also look for the implementations. I know at least about one implementation on top of BIRD - thanks to Eugene Bogomazov and Ondrej Zajicek. If there are already other implementations in place - please let me know. =D0=B2=D1=82, 15 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 16:35, Tim Bruijnz= eels : > Hi Jakob, all, > > On 14 Oct 2019, at 23:49, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) wrote: > > The time for such enhancements is not now and may never happen, but we > should think about it when choosing the format for the object. > > > I am not convinced about that. The object has a distinct OID and version, > either of which could be updated by possible future versions. > > Tim > > --=20 Best regards, Alexander Azimov --0000000000009c987205968b76f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Tim, all,

I've = just submitted a new version of ASPA profile and verification=C2=A0drafts.= =C2=A0
As it was suggested in this thread, the ASPA object is tra= nsformed=C2=A0to (customer, set_of_providers).

We also added 'un= known' state for verification=C2=A0procedure that might be useful at me= dium/high adoption rates.=C2=A0
There are other minor changes in = the documents, including some drawings, which, I hope, will make the algori= thm easier to read.

We are looking for your feedback, and it is time= to also look for the implementations.=C2=A0
I know at least abou= t one implementation on top of BIRD - thanks to Eugene Bogomazov and=C2=A0O= ndrej Zajicek.=C2=A0

If there are already other im= plementations in place - please let me know.

=
=D0=B2=D1= =82, 15 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 16:35, Tim Bruijnzeels <= tim@nlnetlabs.nl&= gt;:
Hi Jak= ob, all,

On 14 Oct 2019, at 23:4= 9, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> wrote:

The time= for such enhancements is not now and may never happen, but we should think= about it when choosing the format for the object.

I am not convinced about that. The object has a distinct OI= D and version, either of which could be updated by possible future versions= .

Tim



--
Best= regards,
Alexander Azimov
--0000000000009c987205968b76f8-- From nobody Mon Nov 4 14:58:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 788021209FE; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:58:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QEdjy8UAwLh8; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:58:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73C471208E1; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 14:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iRlIc-0005xZ-3L; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 22:58:14 +0000 Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 14:58:13 -0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: sidrops-chairs@ietf.org Cc: SIDR Operations WG User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] ov-egress X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 22:58:27 -0000 as the draft is simple and folk seem to like it, unless someone objects can we please wglc draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress-00.txt? thanks randy From nobody Mon Nov 4 15:11:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com 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To: Randy Bush X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3594.4.19) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] deploy deprecate rsync, was: IETF106 -- Singapore -- Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 15:21:13 -0000 Hi Randy, > On 4 Nov 2019, at 19:49, Randy Bush wrote: >=20 > tim, >=20 > great to get the draft out there. =20 Before responding to your points below, I want to highlight another = aspect of this document: I propose that rsync URIs continued to be used as identifiers, even if = there may no longer be an rsync service. Identifiers will still be = useful, and introducing e.g. URNs for this would introduce breaking = changes, and this would make it much, much harder to progress. > wish it was more specific about how > this is operationally accomplished. e.g. from the discussion i was > trying to have with you: Indeed, for the moment document just focusses on an end goal where = neither publishers, nor RPs need to implement rsync. The following time table can indeed work: > 0 - publishers publish rcynic and some rrdp. rps use rcynic and some > use rrdp >=20 > 1 - all publishers offer both. >=20 > 2 - then you can ask all rps to move to rrdp and prefer it >=20 > 3 - you can see, at the publishers, when no rcynic requests come >=20 > 4 - you can turn off rcynic at the publishers >=20 > 5 - you can remove rcynic from the rps And after having reached out to some RIRs I have good hope that this is = not too far off. Still, when we spoke I proposed a different timeline, = which assumed (perhaps wrongly) that RPs would update their code, before = publishers: 0 - publishers publish rcynic and some rrdp. rps use rcynic and some use rrdp 1 - all RPs support RRDP and prefer it 2 - you can see, at the publishers, when no rcynic requests come 3 - you can turn off rcynic at the publishers 4 - we ask all publishers to support RRDP 5 - RPs can drop support for rsync I don't have enough information to know which comes first. Therefore the = document currently just says that: - RPs can drop support for rsync when all publishers support RRDP, - publishers can drop support for rsync when (almost) all RPs support = RRDP The latter is a bit of an issue, because even if all recent RPs support = RRDP, there will probably be some old versions deployed. There comes a = point where you may need to leave some behind. Within reason of course, = and after measuring. I don't think we can agree on a magic number. But = some kind of flag day seems unavoidable. I am all for discussing this on the list and during the session, but for = now I did not feel comfortable proposing one way in the doc. Also, we = probably would want to remove this before last-call (assuming adoption = of course..). 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I gave it a quick read only so far, and it looks = good. I have one comment on section 4, where you have: o The autonomous system identifier delegation extension [RFC3779] is present in the end-entity (EE) certificate (contained within the ASPA), and the customer AS number in the ASPA is contained within the set of AS numbers specified by the EE certificate's autonomous system identifier delegation extension. This is technically fine. But, I would really recommend that the EE = certificate is restricted to contain the customer AS only. This is the = only resource that is needed here, and including other resources = introduces an avoidable risk of the certificate to become invalidated if = any of those is no longer contained by the CA certificate above this = object. Tim > On 4 Nov 2019, at 21:50, Alexander Azimov = wrote: >=20 > Hi Tim, all, >=20 > I've just submitted a new version of ASPA profile and verification = drafts.=20 > As it was suggested in this thread, the ASPA object is transformed to = (customer, set_of_providers). >=20 > We also added 'unknown' state for verification procedure that might be = useful at medium/high adoption rates.=20 > There are other minor changes in the documents, including some = drawings, which, I hope, will make the algorithm easier to read. >=20 > We are looking for your feedback, and it is time to also look for the = implementations.=20 > I know at least about one implementation on top of BIRD - thanks to = Eugene Bogomazov and Ondrej Zajicek.=20 >=20 > If there are already other implementations in place - please let me = know. >=20 > =D0=B2=D1=82, 15 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 16:35, Tim = Bruijnzeels >: > Hi Jakob, all, >=20 >> On 14 Oct 2019, at 23:49, Jakob Heitz (jheitz) > wrote: >>=20 >> The time for such enhancements is not now and may never happen, but = we should think about it when choosing the format for the object. >=20 > I am not convinced about that. The object has a distinct OID and = version, either of which could be updated by possible future versions.. >=20 > Tim >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Best regards, > Alexander Azimov > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops --Apple-Mail=_5F1BE6D6-91C6-48A5-9072-0363EA5C5F75 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = Alexander,

Thank you = for updating. I gave it a quick read only so far, and it looks = good.

I have = one comment on section 4, where you have:

   o  The autonomous = system identifier delegation extension [RFC3779] is
  =     present in the end-entity (EE) certificate (contained = within the
      ASPA), and the = customer AS number in the ASPA is contained within
      the set of AS numbers specified by the = EE certificate's autonomous
      = system identifier delegation extension.

This is technically fine. But, I would = really recommend that the EE certificate is restricted to contain the = customer AS only. This is the only resource that is needed here, and = including other resources introduces an avoidable risk of the = certificate to become invalidated if any of those is no longer contained = by the CA certificate above this object.

Tim


On 4 Nov 2019, at 21:50, Alexander Azimov = <a.e.azimov@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Tim, all,

I've just submitted a new version of = ASPA profile and verification drafts. 
As = it was suggested in this thread, the ASPA object is transformed to = (customer, set_of_providers).

We also added = 'unknown' state for verification procedure that might be useful at = medium/high adoption rates. 
There are other = minor changes in the documents, including some drawings, which, I hope, = will make the algorithm easier to read.

We = are looking for your feedback, and it is time to also look for the = implementations. 
I know at least about one = implementation on top of BIRD - thanks to Eugene Bogomazov = and Ondrej Zajicek. 

If there are already other = implementations in place - please let me know.

=D0=B2=D1=82, 15 =D0=BE=D0=BA=D1=82. = 2019 =D0=B3. =D0=B2 16:35, Tim Bruijnzeels <tim@nlnetlabs.nl>:
Hi Jakob, = all,

On 14 Oct 2019, at 23:49, Jakob = Heitz (jheitz) <jheitz@cisco.com> wrote:

The time for such enhancements = is not now and may never happen, but we should think about it when = choosing the format for the object.

I am not convinced about that. The = object has a distinct OID and version, either of which could be updated = by possible future versions..

Tim



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Alexander Azimov
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= --Apple-Mail=_5F1BE6D6-91C6-48A5-9072-0363EA5C5F75-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 12:08:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 054C0120B25 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:08:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fnGLZhTnQilx for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:08:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from slice.pfrc.org (slice.pfrc.org [67.207.130.108]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E13D4120B1B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:08:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by slice.pfrc.org (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 751CA1E2F7; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:12:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:12:37 -0500 From: Jeffrey Haas To: Keyur Patel Cc: SIDR Operations WG Message-ID: <20191105201237.GI3277@pfrc.org> References: <2384EDD7-3C8D-45C9-9D21-1143B13BF996@arrcus.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2384EDD7-3C8D-45C9-9D21-1143B13BF996@arrcus.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress-00.txt - ENDS 11/25/2019 (November 25 2019) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:08:57 -0000 On Mon, Nov 04, 2019 at 11:11:01PM +0000, Keyur Patel wrote: > A working group last call has been requested for draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress-00.txt, “BGP RPKI-Based Origin Validation on Export”. Please reply to the list with your comments. The WGLC will end on November 25, 2019 (to cover the IETF week). I think the draft is ready to go. My key concern for the draft is captured in section 3, operational considerations. Basically, some as-path operations like remove-private, as-confederation transformations, and bgp as migration tools will get run after the egress / export policy is run. The implication is that there's a need for a last pass of policy that can be used for RPKI OV purposes. Section 3 borders on language that seems to suggest this can happen as a single-pass process. Section 4 gives the escape hatch. I have no suggestion on cleaner text. It's good enough. -- Jeff From nobody Tue Nov 5 12:40:21 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99C46120044 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:40:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hLJT4bznM_-x for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from limes.NIC.DTAG.DE (Limes.nic.DTAG.de [194.25.1.113]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A44D120BA9 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:40:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from gajus.NIC.DTAG.DE (Gajus-194.lab.DTAG.de [194.25.1.189]) by limes.NIC.DTAG.DE (8.13.8/8.8.3) with ESMTP id xA5KeAfA010079; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:40:10 +0100 (MET) To: Keyur Patel cc: SIDR Operations WG Dcc: From: "Ruediger Volk, Deutsche Telekom Technik - FMED-41.." In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 04 Nov 2019 23:11:01 GMT." <2384EDD7-3C8D-45C9-9D21-1143B13BF996@arrcus.com> Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 21:40:07 +0100 Message-ID: <21859.1572986407@gajus.NIC.DTAG.DE> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress-00.txt - ENDS 11/25/2019 (November 25 2019) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:40:20 -0000 Hi Keyur, thanks for progressing the draft. I'm not aware of IPR for this draft. 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Thanks. Di=20 > =E5=9C=A8 2019=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C00:39=EF=BC=8CKeyu= r Patel =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 > Hi folks, > =20 > SIDROPS will meet at IETF106 on Wednesday, November 20th from 3:20 pm = =E2=80=93 4:50 pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have = to Chris and me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to = the chairs by Friday morning (11/15/2019). 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List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2019 04:35:19 -0000 For folk who are presenting (oliver excluded) please send slides prior to the morning of the meeting. Reminder: "If you send me ppt, I'll convert it to pdf with a rag and a stick" you will be unlikely to enjoy the result... :) On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:55 PM Keyur Patel wrote: > > Thanks! Done. > > > On Nov 6, 2019, at 9:14 PM, Di Ma wrote: > > > > =EF=BB=BFHi Keyur, > > > > I would like to have a 10 minutes slot to talk about =E2=80=9CDistribut= ing RPKI Validated Cache in JSON over HTTPS=E2=80=9D > > > > and a 5 minutes slot to talk about draft-ietf-sidrops-rp-06 . > > > > Thanks. > > > > Di > > > >> =E5=9C=A8 2019=E5=B9=B410=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C00:39=EF=BC=8CKe= yur Patel =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > >> > >> Hi folks, > >> > >> SIDROPS will meet at IETF106 on Wednesday, November 20th from 3:20 pm = =E2=80=93 4:50 pm. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to = Chris and me. Please also make sure that your slides are available to the c= hairs by Friday morning (11/15/2019). Slides received after the deadline ma= y not be available for use during the meeting. > >> > >> Regards, > >> Chris and Keyur > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sidrops mailing list > >> Sidrops@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Nov 20 00:40:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0831208CB for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:40:51 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1E858UhCbRNy for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ot1-x32d.google.com (mail-ot1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CDCB120088 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:40:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ot1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id w11so537130ote.1 for ; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:40:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/3+9heNMGTanyyWmSLFb/N72amR3bgrzyfBy5kwvlxY=; b=b0jE361le/d54ljUISvaMp3/H8FOw0ViazF6nhItpSQMYojscaikQqVH+PmQ0BjCrf prps1cc1149bWz3XODo68S+uLIrGpW7gbSAD5WY4A5nxuwlEej1hG7haTiqW903frSeR 83/9if06fmNt6I/BRgrfz+BJ14qBrqSfPn6VawWUs9WtRM6b1r0q/h3ridL2W851xtWg h+Tzf8ifjLkREFDtUmo2BRzZMnk4tJqjIigYjKfNkqnVWsdJEz2lOSvYrJX5ptKJ8/zt V+sLnfuPYacJ4WiqK66VVmwag2/8RQzdMrDCUJQG+jEwIg6jmi7MXKBYE3X6HuSIf6mO 5e1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/3+9heNMGTanyyWmSLFb/N72amR3bgrzyfBy5kwvlxY=; b=hlMsQ9vWNie5F7VZ6giZwy5LmVRzMi8pU1f3zOWVDGj/oZkI2W7Z953UKFPuO9LmVI CyBL8embBFdqmfraMx9bePVliLoehmAzSWT+QRZRezzPTgD6CCNM3dH4Eqh0njbo6boy 6OaGh1FDnjcZBlJ80vRyjUJSRq1304LQxWU+kEecAeE/Kq7sQSCLvKlUdozp1wsPxRRV vR8cUt3fAVlXlLPFaWNtCAqSjI3ZMBpp8bQGp6NKtoRms3Gh+lmpQTQqBoGkTbEPgPoJ iPV8LNPNtErT79+HjLCTY7EOzt8wRqoWhWV9NqstYPzDJP3Duil+RVoXySIboWRhUgBO 6yYw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVbohO7zgiH0OTwGPVlTdXFQjx1LKjNiY6/gsKNE2e4o97VJ8uw HcM1DEGX/SeLcrK948Zj7Nss0BVUt0TPiBRAFTwOFHbzmOg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxZ8L4z/ZCh96Rbj62pCkWa6qBHnjb5ew0wgnH1WS1fdeb2dBOHBRwicrrGhRFDTFYSsOlfBr4zQbb9SwMWstY= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:2c25:: with SMTP id f34mr1029645otb.27.1574239248393; Wed, 20 Nov 2019 00:40:48 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alexander Azimov Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 11:40:37 +0300 Message-ID: To: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003129120597c323e4" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] Maxlength Defaults: Follow Up X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2019 08:40:51 -0000 --0000000000003129120597c323e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, I want to follow up on my talk at the meeting and make a quick recap of my considerations. There are two defaults around ROA objects: 1. Drop invalids (default suggestion); 2. Setting maxlength equal to the prefix length (automated by RIRs). These settings together might create both deployment and security risks. The security risks grow up from a situation when you can't instantly create a more specific prefix when somewhere more specific hijack starts to propagate. It can be avoided by using maxlength as big as possible, but this differs from the current default setting in the web interfaces provided by RIRs. The deployment risks are related to ov-egress draft, where expected behavior isn't just reject invalids, but also creating exceptions in this policy. As I suppose the target audience for this draft is stub ASNs, this will require additional configuration on their side. It is doable, but the more you require from this part of the ecosystem, the less will be done. The effect can also be limited by changing default settings at the RIRs. -- Best regards, Alexander Azimov --0000000000003129120597c323e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,

I want to follow up on my talk = at the meeting and make a quick recap of my considerations.
There= are two defaults around ROA objects:
  1. Drop invalids (defa= ult suggestion);
  2. Setting maxlength equal to the prefix length (auto= mated by RIRs).
These settings together might create both dep= loyment and security risks. The security=C2=A0risks grow up from a situatio= n when you can't instantly create a more specific prefix when somewhere= more specific hijack starts to propagate. It can be avoided by using maxle= ngth as big as possible, but this differs from the current default setting = in the web interfaces provided by RIRs.

The deployment risks are rel= ated to ov-egress draft, where expected behavior isn't just reject inva= lids, but also creating exceptions in this policy. As I suppose the target = audience for this draft is stub ASNs, this will require additional configur= ation on their side. It is doable, but the more you require from this part = of the ecosystem,=C2=A0the less will be done. The effect can also be limite= d by changing default settings at the RIRs.

--
<= div dir=3D"ltr">Best regards,
Alexander Azimov
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[31.133.153.148]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a13sm2210562pfi.187.2019.11.21.00.24.37 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:24:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (vurt.meerval.net [local]) by vurt.meerval.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id e5fdecb9; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:24:36 +0000 (UTC) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:24:36 +0000 From: Job Snijders To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] update to document status X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:24:41 -0000 Dear chairs, group, As per discussion in the SIDROPS meeting yesterday, can draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker be marked as 'dead'? (for clarification: this status is defined in RFC 6174 Section 4.2.6) Kind regards, Job From nobody Thu Nov 21 00:39:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EF7120AC2 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:39:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27mbX9PFxYEQ for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 31C601209AB for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:39:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id y10so2830374qto.3 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:39:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=am8+t4Br2eOUfE+Jh86BbVqgw6iQWVgfjgvJEh2aQRc=; b=Opva1nSrCS0O8R8Py6v7xUNBQYse+ASSWASKjKXLMJkVKQeP4fP7YV1Q78mGkmt8Ii EZi6tS3xwaUFFkENEAHi7YmJZBvA6SOahCivtwoVEjJ+P1nVso2ouXHrslf3TaRM9mK2 3NVN8yQnMJvtaCscUFN7oMelyatTnoc106F7HzqF//9NCPyiXgGwjLO/kct/tICPHYQJ irVajfZxFO1Dplh9JsYINWtknSUTQSrhUxEt7gwbQb/f+iqTobr4ljaF2RLXPyidCYzV yBbJa43X8K24dUjCY2n51eq30Yhg/OozlnZWZXqbPXNRgJNUf+7i2Hnot/ZhmuOpuid7 1y/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=am8+t4Br2eOUfE+Jh86BbVqgw6iQWVgfjgvJEh2aQRc=; b=ZAI6Lnkjd5gPxX+USmFzRH2r4e+c9fk1u6J1C+SAK96S3Z+Rj1n0EgST+qJaP7Lhz0 IDxCKuOyAgBOnXGo7gJPQhV/qhNXZjvEtfVxTPYNukHrOZy7nLZBsNlB6Gr7CcHYqP7t ROIQeFzTQ0vq6bEZO7K0RctJP5EQvTic+WxWbNNgp7Hx3+SSzhIfWYq8h/lHxQbmvVdr VjBltvwSNvEMMifmBqhXzXCzOzZe+QDqV+z189HbeObUvrx8DBjCutZFIMLjA8z17Dfh oZu2qdU2EVpFVfnv8mzHkwdEx8CleSUp+BaA0kWBi7Uibg42aR6OZUSUpPPzER4l7rpA mqTg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWtE7l5kDAzuYniLKlKJRYJsDpKyvmQc2CHO6+76JeJDDZL9Sif j8WeJLYIAejlNjRnfoOI22SFfGjbpdyAi4iwHx1DAiokO2I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwvt4xUIcnV/vipexdtbrGcIJQc3Wf8FgpYloCXSQsDDOExRInifM4MSFtcDGKOcGS3NOvdGOFXedbBjjUV3Kg= X-Received: by 2002:aed:255c:: with SMTP id w28mr7351527qtc.185.1574325580074; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 00:39:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> In-Reply-To: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 16:39:28 +0800 Message-ID: To: Job Snijders Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] update to document status X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 08:39:49 -0000 done On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 4:24 PM Job Snijders wrote: > > Dear chairs, group, > > As per discussion in the SIDROPS meeting yesterday, can > draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker be marked as 'dead'? (for > clarification: this status is defined in RFC 6174 Section 4.2.6) > > Kind regards, > > Job > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Nov 21 14:41:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9B221201A3 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:41:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n_FHQiscTa9x for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D617512016E for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 14:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXv8c-0004nr-LM; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 22:41:23 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 06:41:20 +0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Job Snijders Cc: sidrops@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> References: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] update to document status X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 22:41:26 -0000 > As per discussion in the SIDROPS meeting yesterday, can > draft-ietf-sidrops-validating-bgp-speaker be marked as 'dead'? (for > clarification: this status is defined in RFC 6174 Section 4.2.6) job, i will print a copy and bring it to the reg desk and you can jump up and down on it and pour cold coffee on it. :) but seriously, why are you so exteemely vehement about this one draft? it's just a mild attempt at doumenting something actually in play. randy From nobody Fri Nov 22 09:46:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E96B12089D for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:46:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0L8N7xjsgs1U for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:46:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48CDB120883 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 09:46:15 -0800 (PST) X-Envelope-To: sidrops@ietf.org Received: from cupcake.local (089-101-195156.ntlworld.ie [89.101.195.156] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id xAMHkBxO099797 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:46:12 GMT (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.ibn.ie: Host 089-101-195156.ntlworld.ie [89.101.195.156] (may be forged) claimed to be cupcake.local To: Randy Bush Cc: Job Snijders , sidrops@ietf.org References: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> From: Nick Hilliard Message-ID: <0bef3006-f360-afcf-6152-c6526475cbb8@foobar.org> Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:46:10 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/7.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] update to document status X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:46:18 -0000 Randy Bush wrote on 21/11/2019 22:41: > but seriously, why are you so exteemely vehement about this one draft? > it's just a mild attempt at doumenting something actually in play. because documenting bad practice doesn't make it good practice? Nick From nobody Fri Nov 22 10:15:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFFF120096 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:15:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6I4x6mtSnIc7 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A3B6120059 for ; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:15:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iYDSd-0007IK-G9; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:15:15 +0000 Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:15:14 +0800 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Nick Hilliard Cc: Job Snijders , sidrops@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <0bef3006-f360-afcf-6152-c6526475cbb8@foobar.org> References: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> <0bef3006-f360-afcf-6152-c6526475cbb8@foobar.org> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] update to document status X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:15:23 -0000 >> but seriously, why are you so exteemely vehement about this one draft? >> it's just a mild attempt at doumenting something actually in play. > > because documenting bad practice doesn't make it good practice? understand and don't disagree. but i am happy to let things just languish and do not feel a need to go nuclear. this is not a hill worthsnarking on, let alone dying. randy From nobody Sat Nov 23 02:36:45 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC7D4120288 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:36:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mj74MwsfeJhQ for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:36:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk1-x729.google.com (mail-qk1-x729.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::729]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF1F912011E for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:36:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk1-x729.google.com with SMTP id c124so4154533qkg.0 for ; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:36:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=i8spoVLfG0evL8mjR9mq/u4EoNKMK1tGWqyfIGfUBf4=; b=vRm7ngFaZG67xeJLRvXBR+ZrZE/KchLHIKUqWFRXYihIvUfhkrKTWZ+pbIourjdU5o FHt9EPyoCxdu3pMYBK/KDi4ak/ztnramtdJBNEU1JI0BTnWI0KBIlPFFQEn2tKJkMLtn t5ab460FxnlR9+kZO52IMoDg0HgvUtiZZpnK8iAEyqBxRVBzeGijIFpflwxoigAG2tUA Gxesxuz9AzHLfUMhYB1nHL/MqtanZXj9V0EaEBs4ZyWSzAIc06Ew0GbMmxlGbKJIb3iR 0raWdLv/S++2mjMz+8qWnKBAZE3jI8kb/acLlKczgf69gLqUAWwS14AQEvb9VaGv0o0V uiQw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=i8spoVLfG0evL8mjR9mq/u4EoNKMK1tGWqyfIGfUBf4=; b=GQqfpxHNmDLaA5xQaxeo909zxniIt625OsHNzR9ioppN1JYCC8Gkf4On1HGbAUvf0B HhxjIBoxbxsXbG23bDlKMjBooUWKX/CHttJeQQkoXx+uMmPKWi61YHNSMM6fDbDn6/mT i3zlyh79S8X93mBi6n6TpXCmoYMgZkLaymXxkUjYAqr0zM5ByGsq3sJ09G1FnyOtu8U2 U+yJHevOGAlFckEXebckYHK2poMcX/qsbYj6t6Q7bUaQV+UDTzbX7QshhJ6KAicJGys4 P4qTOccObttTRn6V5QP2xmmBBrlKppIuKMmbbg3t1dXNb/YGwJxGgePFjJ3BbHpWE0TH bSKw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVWN20jAy1c776roPoA+ZYYonaTkFAt3nXWxQXx+F42wskydivj iXaBL3TO9iAMg8HBAUWlGB7ZOOH37L5p40TLcxwZ5+TT8C4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzZQUH0rFUPI8d3DN29FubvYdogslwagi1S6sVRVr6LtbvESAop+ZnE3tWAzgnyVuDdkcfLv8Z3LOR14VYHYQQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:14b9:: with SMTP id x25mr2584971qkj.116.1574505400421; Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:36:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20191121082436.GG53958@vurt.meerval.net> <0bef3006-f360-afcf-6152-c6526475cbb8@foobar.org> In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 18:36:29 +0800 Message-ID: To: Randy Bush Cc: Nick Hilliard , SIDR Operations WG , Job Snijders Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] update to document status X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:36:44 -0000 Job was just doing what I asked at the mic though... anyway, I think this horsey is dead, let's move along to the next equine? On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 2:15 AM Randy Bush wrote: > > >> but seriously, why are you so exteemely vehement about this one draft? > >> it's just a mild attempt at doumenting something actually in play. > > > > because documenting bad practice doesn't make it good practice? > > understand and don't disagree. but i am happy to let things just > languish and do not feel a need to go nuclear. this is not a hill > worthsnarking on, let alone dying. > > randy > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Nov 27 13:10:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5712E120A9D; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:10:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think the draft should make a recommendation that the AS must create a ROA in the first place for the prefix with the correct origin AS that will result after the policies are applied. I feel that the following paragraph in the draft is fuzzy/incorrect. "Configurations may have complex policy where the final announced origin AS may not be easily predicted before all policies have been run. Therefore it SHOULD be possible to specify an origin validation policy which MUST BE run after such non-deterministic policies." Is there such a thing as non-deterministic policy? What does it mean to say that the outcome of applying one or a set of policies is that it results in a random AS being the origin AS? Or, to say that the origin AS is not predictable? Well, if it cannot be predicted then the sending AS under consideration is not in a position to create the ROA that is necessary. This cannot be. Suggested text (or some variation of it): The operator MUST determine the origin AS based on policies that are applied on egress, and MUST create a ROA accordingly. The sending BGP speaker MUST perform origin validation at egress (i.e., after the policies are applied). Sriram --_000_DM6PR09MB3386A1201CE90B01159DDA2C84440DM6PR09MB3386namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think the draft should make a recommendation that<= o:p>

the AS must create a ROA in the first place for the<= o:p>

prefix with the correct origin AS that will result

after the policies are applied.

 

I feel that the following paragraph in the draft is = fuzzy/incorrect.

 

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   origin AS may not be easily predicted b= efore all policies have been

   run.  Therefore it SHOULD be possi= ble to specify an origin validation

   policy which MUST BE run after such non= -deterministic policies.”

 

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one or a set of policies is that it results in =

a random AS being the origin AS?

Or, to say that the origin AS is not predictable?

Well, if it cannot be predicted then the sending AS = under

consideration is not in a position to create

the ROA that is necessary. This cannot be.

 

Suggested text (or some variation of it):=

The operator MUST determine the origin AS=

based on policies that are applied on egress, and

MUST create a ROA accordingly.

The sending BGP speaker MUST perform origin validati= on

at egress (i.e., after the policies are applied).

 

Sriram    

 

  

 

 

 

--_000_DM6PR09MB3386A1201CE90B01159DDA2C84440DM6PR09MB3386namp_-- From nobody Wed Nov 27 13:17:13 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E600120AAD; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:17:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aHDPkYwvZz4j; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FF5E120088; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:17:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ia4gO-0005Jn-Jx; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:17:09 +0000 Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:17:08 -0500 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: "Sriram, Kotikalapudi (Fed)" Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" , "sidrops-chairs@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress@ietf.org" , Jeffrey Haas In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] WGLC for draft-ietf-sidrops-ov-egress-00.txt - ENDS 11/25/2019 (November 25 2019) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:17:12 -0000 > I think the draft should make a recommendation that > the AS must create a ROA in the first place for the > prefix with the correct origin AS that will result > after the policies are applied. and their payments to ther RIR should be current > Is there such a thing as non-deterministic policy? > What does it mean to say that the outcome of applying > one or a set of policies is that it results in > a random AS being the origin AS? non-derministic != random in this case it is meant to refer to policy results which depend on exogenous data randy