From nobody Wed Jul 1 08:07:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B02043A0F1A for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1rG-6JS4RdPQ for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail4.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net [128.241.192.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 58EE23A0F1C for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com (auth1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.227]) by mail4.dllstx09.us.to.gin.ntt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 268E7EE010B; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:06:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ED527C005B; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 01 Jul 2020 11:06:54 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduiedrtddvgdekiecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehttddttd dttddvnecuhfhrohhmpeflohgsucfunhhijhguvghrshcuoehjohgssehnthhtrdhnvght qeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpeeiieevueeuffffhffgieeivddtheevgeffueegueeltd eugfduhfetueelfefftdenucffohhmrghinhepihgvthhfrdhorhhgnecukfhppeduledv rddugeejrdduieekrddutdejnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomhepjhhosgdomhgvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidq uddtgeejleduheekgedqvdeffeefkeefvddtqdhjohgspeepnhhtthdrnhgvthesshhosg horhhnohhsthdrnhgvth X-ME-Proxy: Received: from bench.sobornost.net (bench.sobornost.net [192.147.168.107]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E4C603060060; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (bench.sobornost.net [local]) by bench.sobornost.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id 2ef9fa5e; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:06:49 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:06:48 +0000 From: Job Snijders To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:07:01 -0000 Dear all, Its been a week since the interim and I think it is important to have a draft uploaded into the IETF system so that the process towards publication formally starts. There are RPKI implementers who tell me that they are waiting for an RFC to be published before making changes to their software. Not optimal. Stephen Kent - if it is of any help to you, I'm happy to help navigate the IETF datatracker and XML goo. I don't like XML either, but I do know some of the magic incantations to make the computer happy. I think there are other people on this email list that would be happy to help too. I vaguely recall there being some text or xml being hosted at Randy's git server, but I don't seem to be able to connect to that server, which means for now I can't continue the implementation report because there is no text to look at. This process is blocked, please help. Kind regards, Job On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:51:55AM -0400, Stephen Kent wrote: > It seems the list prefers a KISS approach to the issue of multiple CRLs in a > manifest. So, absent any additional suggestions, I'll plan to post a revised > version of 6486 with the version 4 text that I posted to the list last week. > > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Jul 1 08:26:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A12253A10D7 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kqm50ko3AhRq for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72c.google.com (mail-qk1-x72c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0489A3A10F0 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 08:26:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72c.google.com with SMTP id e13so22537915qkg.5 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 08:26:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mizy+5Qs92MYulL1GrSiISq+6cPOyzVwhcC+SrF+6VI=; b=fsXMt6NNhQ/Ez0XVDXhKBgIKF54GHdQpSiMkuGnEMrPJL/hwnQyDMmhm6O+x3Tbfv3 ltfjk2ibAD9L9DtKNzgfyyrDHS3aT35Z0GGyOpBtfFenuwjwgVdO923jJMYtcc2pHtjp 48gKCluWtTuEkgYDSiP8NZv5DZk2uwo8tNvGJyVveP/QXgHSRK17S8SU+aDR0BD1TvD4 hmLgwSWtMFJ3NyC91Jy8Sb0kgXXUGVXBdL5fn1qBjDKhexTNdurLjHAc76iZXSyYqkNU VdZ+/p+/+B6wgDnHBuWGTLdrIkJucdldvrv5aHLAH8ZB0usDr62x5sndPUgc9lEk7qMF j5Fw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mizy+5Qs92MYulL1GrSiISq+6cPOyzVwhcC+SrF+6VI=; b=bk/m6osMZp+Dqe65lrqzAkSxAeV3bm2KoGdLLs5lv+pP/zmZYKNMpiCCIdZuHdmGK2 1edAFULQ/Ys5i2jIovhFS+DmlCxUZ1gYQGtIZJhoS6gPYxjriEwoSaus+wTxdvZmDylr bJeyECsDlwj4Khd3ZRdLFYhYWif0sa10Bi3lYa7wEVQpSY1sz4hl9y5MCnjOZ87/26HH 1NJ6nKGhRlWcK9/1cjOYQu/uP/2P9g14AmJN2NYywUNtFA4fcvF+/ALx0Gcgp6fkLG2z uzaHqYIPs1kkAo6pkzcu8kKfcXCAuHpTcfJ9RvgQBkSHnUO6CLDFjh3FcjEl1jeetEsW Y8GA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533UPCej2VVAlx2SJu7A1tcOK7x7pVDrxYlmQFgdJaMATOsovP0z YaGH2hZuhdqSqrnanwAFMKtMhXqzcJHl0Ghx0oZWiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwC7PVfgWeePhpWB/olx0VX5S+Zhh8O63eJseibgcYtZFm7eM0d8LKfbsD3N81EQUpjnXOtLIQp+nsmX99y4Kc= X-Received: by 2002:a37:e101:: with SMTP id c1mr16490003qkm.45.1593617198950; Wed, 01 Jul 2020 08:26:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> In-Reply-To: <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 11:26:27 -0400 Message-ID: To: Job Snijders Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:26:42 -0000 On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 11:07 AM Job Snijders wrote: > > Dear all, > > Its been a week since the interim and I think it is important to have a > draft uploaded into the IETF system so that the process towards > publication formally starts. There are RPKI implementers who tell me > that they are waiting for an RFC to be published before making changes > to their software. Not optimal. > apologies, I didn't note that there was some discussion off-list by the author folk.. I believe they are aiming to send to the system end of week or perhaps (because holiday) early next week. if it's beyond next wed the author(s) should put out a 'expect text DD/MM/YYYY' please. > Stephen Kent - if it is of any help to you, I'm happy to help navigate > the IETF datatracker and XML goo. I don't like XML either, but I do know > some of the magic incantations to make the computer happy. I think there > are other people on this email list that would be happy to help too. > > I vaguely recall there being some text or xml being hosted at Randy's > git server, but I don't seem to be able to connect to that server, which > means for now I can't continue the implementation report because there > is no text to look at. > > This process is blocked, please help. > > Kind regards, > > Job > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 11:51:55AM -0400, Stephen Kent wrote: > > It seems the list prefers a KISS approach to the issue of multiple CRLs in a > > manifest. So, absent any additional suggestions, I'll plan to post a revised > > version of 6486 with the version 4 text that I posted to the list last week. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Steve > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Wed Jul 1 10:49:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8043A043D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=verizon.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id edh00ZsWUUck for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:49:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonic317-26.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic317-26.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.129.81]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EB233A0819 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2020 10:49:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1593625757; bh=L0HGZJvf32JuOMI5Zz3XLayCu4WHUnRxQdNvpJNu7z8=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=dOkWw1U5VP8AKgOhGsVxD/jwVQLxsPzlRkglOR+AncP2+sKYeJa3G6fozfwMWdcA9cqD82cm+u3v2H097ht/YU8Nb/XmHGPqUaO9vQ55nFqwjoTh0HOQMWsNX6MJuNIAX2qcciyTicByN74WDkEnq4qQWJOLnEVE2KOvxcB/nJ4WHNBJ3ahDZ0oVZuT5pDXLXVXoVkOoPb8TZFaBP5JlzudmvSqb7kTHX4/CGHFb0UjVqcJykQAelZyEaepB56Q5zLWtAyVe/1mTU4GmhP9jPJDd6EerV1jFW8hCMd/jupI2RG0d9KFBnIUYW8O9S9M5fhTdSKhG4w3s06Q/yiFqbw== X-YMail-OSG: tUL62KkVM1n4cWtE9wQZbM0VHcWFATXkQ76kw.jTYOn.Jo7rHnU80wzWFf6k.yF ya038L2HG7AXxmDucXip2OE2DtY11eoOj87mJkVSHmpnjS1IPRL6BdyFlR6nPFQu0vR3u91L649C BWc7A0o1TEkltKJfMil.UH2senkLaYlOaOAUIjY_XYxlqSdycaBPMekxBNKAZf07Kvv5wIu.Tohp OeZcNIdjYgf0_kIlAJNeeNCcN9ilMLqFZKFIy.cJKrtzMFp9R7fb5plu3l4_PrF.CvzEqrnryWtZ xW8RMhKnSKW1Zg2KvP2IgVNZe9v4CNVSgdizA50eXd_.feNuHPijr5V2Ohpdoykc6q7CRKq5dSQ. 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As Chris noted a few of us have been reviewing the changes before publishing. I have a question for the CA operators on the list. The manifest RFC calls out the possibility of using "one-time-use" manifests, in a few places (not in Section 6, which I have been revising). Does anyone make use of that "feature?" If not, I suggest we delete the discussion of this feature as part of the document revision. Steve From nobody Thu Jul 2 03:27:19 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27E1C3A09A3 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 03:27:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RcMm1oBvFuk2 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 03:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2a04:b900::1:0:0:10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B67E53A098B for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 03:27:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from yoda.fritz.box (62-251-31-8.ip.xs4all.nl [62.251.31.8]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C4921512E; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:27:14 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=nlnetlabs.nl Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=tim@nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1593685634; bh=aLHcnHuD4TpjFFVdinGV0bFah8MTu6GDPaAbZny92gQ=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=ogKmCY+ZWl+vgYCLJaZbE5wfEwiS9ac0HvnCbQpG0znWas9PaaDpkADk+tzlyP9yh qAit40Et+WC4owxsZI56YJ8BcUgJWjGNVisKPw/U9P0cScNMDBVO3t9X3vzJBtkgDn SWkxMTPTCdJdN8OskqajSwJwON36KDTsCI9a4l70= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:27:14 +0200 Cc: sidrops@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27E6CC06-0375-467C-8F77-235A470FE3E6@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> To: Stephen Kent X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 10:27:18 -0000 Hi, > On 1 Jul 2020, at 19:49, Stephen Kent = wrote: >=20 > I have a question for the CA operators on the list. The manifest RFC = calls out the possibility of using "one-time-use" manifests, in a few = places (not in Section 6, which I have been revising). Does anyone make = use of that "feature?" If not, I suggest we delete the discussion of = this feature as part of the document revision. Speaking for Krill - it *always* uses "one-time-use" EE certificates for = Manifests, and for other RPKI signed objects for that matter. Personally I would be happy with "one-time-use" being mandatory or = RECOMMENDED.. I don't see any real advantage in multi-use. But, I = understand this is another issue. It's not a big deal, although having = one flavour only could potentially allow simplifying the text. Tim >=20 > Steve >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Jul 2 17:21:48 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683B33A094C; Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:20:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: sidrops@ietf.org, warren@kumari.net X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.7.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159373563241.30173.5619504148084130825@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2020 17:20:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] sidrops - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 108 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 00:20:41 -0000 Dear Keyur Patel, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. sidrops Session 1 (1:40 requested) Monday, 27 July 2020, Session II 1300-1350 Room Name: Room 5 size: 5 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/108/sessions/sidrops.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: SIDR Operations Area Name: Operations and Management Area Session Requester: Keyur Patel Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 100 Minutes Number of Attendees: None Conflicts to Avoid: Technology Overlap: rtgwg lsr mpls spring People who must be present: Keyur Patel Chris Morrow Warren "Ace" Kumari Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Jul 3 05:34:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63B3C3A08A2; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hazogh6X2XKS; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mahimahi.ripe.net (mahimahi.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1372]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 012033A0880; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:34:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bufobufo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.13]) by mahimahi.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jrKtY-0003Qo-Nr; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:34:20 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=[IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:1200::6c]) by bufobufo.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jrKtY-0003vZ-LU; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 14:34:20 +0200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Nathalie Trenaman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 14:34:20 +0200 Cc: sidrops@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <06204A5D-2DE1-49AC-A3DC-4B825E3880D0@ripe.net> References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> To: Stephen Kent X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: b23882c8c47abee4cf35af21618ca92aea6b34bb251e6dcc45cf68ea4b8ac396 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:34:27 -0000 Hi Steve, > Op 1 jul. 2020, om 19:49 heeft Stephen Kent = het volgende geschreven: >=20 > Job, >=20 > Sorry for the delay. As Chris noted a few of us have been reviewing = the changes before publishing. >=20 > I have a question for the CA operators on the list. The manifest RFC = calls out the possibility of using "one-time-use" manifests, in a few = places (not in Section 6, which I have been revising). Does anyone make = use of that "feature?" If not, I suggest we delete the discussion of = this feature as part of the document revision. >=20 As RIPE NCC (CA operator), we do have =E2=80=9Cone-time-use=E2=80=9D = manifests, since 2011.=20 Thanks, Nathalie Trenaman RIPE NCC From nobody Fri Jul 3 05:37:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9267C3A08A2 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.202 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.202 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=verizon.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B637iS0DSOHC for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sonic308-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com (sonic308-1.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com [74.6.130.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38DD63A0893 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 05:37:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1593779849; bh=sWr5J/mu/GR4sutcbHOg7MHHhn6hdhrSEb9wVGqtb6U=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=bR/qgWBR7c5rh21Hu+0hmmTc8+MuUEV2j90LycStEmqSCch3ioUgE4NS1f1+n3pEnSKL4wLvhm3VfQOi3OvL2zXrHoY5vaSARtR/ViLb2poCdwgZcie/o+CBEnb9FnDqgZ7OdRBwdg/K0NPCs20p79U330vm13gAY84KJ065XFW8lzBm+I1pUkwtexsoSpyi/x4VOUxvc93Oi94ijNxuvqp1LrAQe9G7wXXpoBUkDVS0NcqHatKX9W+pfTs5004ThpE8iwDm/7KwgPd1xN+gIOU7+DrTc2l8YWBQorj0MNWZfGPgTjBWNLnC8a7X/gTRNsO76II655l/v/TJaQdX2w== X-YMail-OSG: Oi8AhPMVM1nKbdXARglYywxHn6SpsAaBicFa8vtuCrly.m3kXV_np2SfUh9CeI5 Ru3astlUT4gGbFwaEBgCB38t8JpH0O1CHjNYTGHv6VrElPS1QEoDtP1_FPxIpnzBd.vfKM323Z_W 1IPAfredBSZfrNSIKgFJSelrPAQclaHJEqk3uECUXq6OnfxudZj0m6cEAxR6BfJQLZ7dohKljmN3 XtKzON.5uhr3IoOc7.vF36N0Se8EcVG08DuGQMeCoqDWEAFoQ2cMke5GBhdZ809s_pBhikE5gEM_ B5x13IjFf.LW1BBjK0YxrsuQaLLvO0tkWgmueUtTSZoAZQ023zCiCHlkFGFv5S3PDBO4FeIXzzyW EkOcH__4dGHRGEjHOWXlixekZroSpqxKmm1PQqGREKoG1jrywUO4b0YzVGDvBMIieXc_lm8.cfQr qO_2lgUj9xbmWCp6_M3Uj0Ihkap5EbDX0AcR3qa93MasgSORdOpjS4RjABhbs0Gzc6O_hxv_gb2x 1qUiHNKb9TZXEa1YyIKY4p4XB4RyO5fLKuGn3NjJVXseznPmpVVm0QEuU9U6pdmZdzLVDjqsCsqF 2.PG3Zl956cuIHdbN41EiUaHBpR.pSZoG07jenGJjhyK9yR48BT_W6.RHqqE5MJr9VcpmPnWQPJt 9uy0X.xlxzm4n7obZ4XFXB1baQtf4RvJLIUft7Tup55XJbJMHfmnnSrfFlzRJT8xi908QcoWZPEi bHrO47gr4nOqgoVBJIQzKrw9SJnFMbVMwy3p8r8WjOpCFxlsHlH.MaX4XxfVwoClYLlwzziYBw76 7j_gHd3GkOZVoTrQNFJIiV8SzJ8.hrjChWFzdZGF4.mVkNDei7QuAm4ZBPwJ498J.e3GdIskrNWi ee5SrceXfhIrXiCRNrgXeM_XtVGQFjHXEwk9SNICe8Kaik.oApjMdBSiX9MU.DNJwPx6aPO300Ka FclFgfvJJN7L3OoGxny9zh0BYSQAfcWuPY4rQzqJ7AiAEySykXTwHY4SKa8uc66nwmJn8CwrOtC1 8yvcIgqVlMn_KEO63.Wj8XsJECVJYUtGjx7Hp2JrazFXuJIWpgxzRb6C4yzvPKDtSrbAAIaM9mwa xghK5_xp0do.ro4bjQLPA7f6axDZXpSTmb6AaVEzelxtC1D6Q_cNGCSmu7DCHFnEKJjHAFFHPdVZ znSuSwhhPVqN7NLs5Iup7pOclOk18SLCZ5SRYgL7YTiTSJ4G8BXtoLFJLjxxmCihTUKogYQa01Fw TFWKRlEj8hCM3PLSh1rul8kJa5d9VvARKBVXJpLNP3UcY50A5RuXHFoe0KdTG2SZqZHrHTLRJIl0 gtrR0ro6iWfEPVw767g8Pke.UsHl_hulh5EsklWNoGPAZXaZnoJDTpSLkSV2DnArHhumPw80SgnD b5HqqNEv4rfBJIz88WgMzZi7qRrGvG7opnNY8d.gwZs3Fcso- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:37:29 +0000 Received: by smtp415.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ae42186d19b7f56b1e6bcd4812a73312; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:37:24 +0000 (UTC) To: sidrops@ietf.org References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> <06204A5D-2DE1-49AC-A3DC-4B825E3880D0@ripe.net> From: Stephen Kent Message-ID: <3d9aff9c-7f0c-ce47-efaf-6014080ece4d@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 08:37:23 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <06204A5D-2DE1-49AC-A3DC-4B825E3880D0@ripe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16197 hermes_aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.7) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:37:32 -0000 Nathalie, Thanks for the info. Maybe we ought to deprecate the multi-use manifests, to simplify matters, if other CA operators have adopted one-time-use as their model. 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Maybe we ought to deprecate the multi-use > manifests, to simplify matters, if other CA operators have adopted > one-time-use as their model. > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Jul 6 01:41:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225243A11F6 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 01:41:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NTPWUPrLvznb for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 01:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mahimahi.ripe.net (mahimahi.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1372]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08E573A11F8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 01:41:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bufobufo.ripe.net ([193.0.23.13]) by mahimahi.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jsMgt-0004Zh-Jt for sidrops@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 10:41:31 +0200 Received: from sslvpn.ipv6.ripe.net ([2001:67c:2e8:9::c100:14e6] helo=[IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:1200::c1]) by bufobufo.ripe.net with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jsMgt-0002OL-HR for sidrops@ietf.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 10:41:31 +0200 From: Nathalie Trenaman Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_61E58424-3DAA-40CB-860E-8C1E1CB58503" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 10:41:31 +0200 To: SIDR Operations WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: b23882c8c47abee4cf35af21618ca92a329bcf2725bebc53657afd8e0fccade0 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] IETF108 -- Online -- Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 08:41:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_61E58424-3DAA-40CB-860E-8C1E1CB58503 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, =20 SIDROPS will meet at IETF108 on Monday, July 27th from 13:00 =E2=80=93 = 13:50 UTC. 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Hi all,
 
SIDROPS will meet at IETF108 = on Monday, July 27th from 13:00 =E2=80=93 13:50 UTC. Please forward = any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to Keyur, Chris and me. = Please also make sure that your slides are available to the chairs by = Thursday morning (23 July). Slides received after the deadline may not = be available for use during the meeting.
 
Regards,
Chris, Keyur and = Nathalie
= --Apple-Mail=_61E58424-3DAA-40CB-860E-8C1E1CB58503-- From ntrenaman@ripe.net Fri Jul 3 02:08:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129E63A0B2F; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 02:08:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jLIuqUA9QL6m; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 02:08:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from molamola.ripe.net (molamola.ripe.net [IPv6:2001:67c:2e8:11::c100:1371]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0D873A0B2E; Fri, 3 Jul 2020 02:08:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from limalima.ripe.net ([193.0.19.81] helo=webmail.ripe.net) by molamola.ripe.net with esmtp (Exim 4.92.3) (envelope-from ) id 1jrHgb-000B0W-TG; Fri, 03 Jul 2020 11:08:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 11:08:45 +0200 From: ntrenaman To: Stephen Kent Cc: sidrops@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.4.0 Message-ID: X-Sender: ntrenaman@ripe.net X-ACL-Warn: Delaying message X-RIPE-Signature: 18706c59bce47014ab71a1af93a0d016304a3cdffd1aab4eb76d84434bf72a63 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 08:32:44 -0700 Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2020 09:42:54 -0000 Hi Steve, On 2020-07-01 19:49, Stephen Kent wrote: > Job, > > Sorry for the delay. As Chris noted a few of us have been reviewing > the changes before publishing. > > I have a question for the CA operators on the list. The manifest RFC > calls out the possibility of using "one-time-use" manifests, in a few > places (not in Section 6, which I have been revising). Does anyone > make use of that "feature?" If not, I suggest we delete the discussion > of this feature as part of the document revision. Yes, we at RIPE NCC have only one-time-use certificates for manifests (since 2011). 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Mon, 06 Jul 2020 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> <06204A5D-2DE1-49AC-A3DC-4B825E3880D0@ripe.net> <3d9aff9c-7f0c-ce47-efaf-6014080ece4d@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 13:18:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: George Michaelson Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 17:18:53 -0000 On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:32 PM George Michaelson wrote: > > This is the model adopted by APNIC as well, since the inception of the service. > clarifying question: "apnic's implementation only uses one-time.." yes? > -G > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 10:37 PM Stephen Kent > wrote: > > > > Nathalie, > > > > Thanks for the info. Maybe we ought to deprecate the multi-use > > manifests, to simplify matters, if other CA operators have adopted > > one-time-use as their model. > > > > Steve > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Jul 6 12:37:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F7033A09D3 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:37:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xZymSM4O4QAY for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F32A3A09D1 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:37:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jsWvN-0005P6-Jq; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 19:37:09 +0000 Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 12:37:09 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Christopher Morrow Cc: George Michaelson , SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> <06204A5D-2DE1-49AC-A3DC-4B825E3880D0@ripe.net> <3d9aff9c-7f0c-ce47-efaf-6014080ece4d@verizon.net> User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 19:37:14 -0000 >> This is the model adopted by APNIC as well, since the inception of >> the service. > clarifying question: > "apnic's implementation only uses one-time.." > yes? i would be surprised to learn of a CA which multi-used but, if you want to learn about strange differences, much more interesting to ask about validity periods of mft, crl, ... randy From nobody Mon Jul 6 15:17:41 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A120C3A0B85 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZGepXbwUkx9b for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-il1-x133.google.com (mail-il1-x133.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B32693A0B84 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-il1-x133.google.com with SMTP id q3so23599349ilt.8 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 15:17:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=HZ8J6y4zE1JTnOI5fRAr38W/GF3jbqE6YksGNMbnlwQ=; b=niP4x41LkzjKw9X2BM+uMgJpNJjJKuzL7hu9pmjpsXWzBXaexD4Cy+27gyCFdaMOis eH953+I+inTJZ1ZfqKumErSnT2cMZWsAa6oytZ0vud2fWLjckEEPz8M+v2dEV21IdkpC mOxf+xsnOzeVvR12Svx1As+LzcQKXl8qlL5PdrPiw8UUqPF4PrOBU6TmGQs8tQAmEaR5 qq472MCbR3GEFZi9EJu+/l2qCOAWk+1H+FDMy3axkx3B1vBxW1l+5dJzfnTZD8h3Sw3R 7G88MKbZ1ikieIIJitTvDHhtEXwhR3XrnVaC7drWho/My4f/PfMu7JEWwhMpZk4Y6uMr ydng== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=HZ8J6y4zE1JTnOI5fRAr38W/GF3jbqE6YksGNMbnlwQ=; b=bWq0aWoYia5YIeNYoSBCt5ggbuX83gu31Bd0sPgm2o0cVcXIyq9ojwWtfMndXSqYAi kxIyMAzXZcA8aW/ncALMgLS7cwlLHj92aFN5lDN+RRjKpKI/jGfrDZ6fIS6aqvn4Wmz7 15nWOk2+N4MtiWEs4R8d8mC/ZXTsM0u+bzy1iFYOLsnkbwwBz4/7/6F8iHbTmtryjKB0 yDhui6XASLWTtR8pAxGPOTO4kZgs98yPiFUZD6/LMY/9ak4JFb+7zAiTHD8d/tPDZa+c YkdP5PbO5Cu6BBLjQkcePz+KT5IfnPvzJegcr4jgf020BjLL/IZokjMDKVcCCUI0AcbU prTw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53185uNF17UGtSsyFyTxp4y38FEzvX6PnnywPyRvzLarL5/HBbjx kRc8DE87NFJt9/llSx7HheBkihaJE3jInOREsdCF9g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxtlx0CnDJTRNeyDFo+2n03Gglb0zvVErqvR+sKfEvtIfIGcXFyqDxeIK8TWjnTyLYS8oQqdODwGqjMpr0XrKw= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5fc9:: with SMTP id i70mr34280842ill.176.1594073856390; Mon, 06 Jul 2020 15:17:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3.ref@verizon.net> <0365f842-ff05-b252-2fc7-f6f408fc52e3@verizon.net> <20200701150648.GI85729@bench.sobornost.net> <06204A5D-2DE1-49AC-A3DC-4B825E3880D0@ripe.net> <3d9aff9c-7f0c-ce47-efaf-6014080ece4d@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:17:25 +1000 Message-ID: To: Christopher Morrow Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] 6486 bis X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2020 22:17:40 -0000 On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 3:18 AM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 7:32 PM George Michaelson wrote: > > > > This is the model adopted by APNIC as well, since the inception of the service. > > > > clarifying question: > "apnic's implementation only uses one-time.." > > yes? Yes. 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Thanks. Di > 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 16:41=EF=BC=8CNathalie Trenaman = =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 > Hi all, > =20 > SIDROPS will meet at IETF108 on Monday, July 27th from 13:00 =E2=80=93 = 13:50 UTC. Please forward any SIDROPS agenda items you may have to = Keyur, Chris and me. Please also make sure that your slides are = available to the chairs by Thursday morning (23 July). 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charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris & Keyur, On behalf of my co-authors, and other contributors to this revision, I request WG adoption of the 6486-bis text (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis-00.txt) Thanks, Steve --------------258AC4415B6F80742F28CBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Chris & Keyur,

On behalf of my co-authors, and other contributors to this revision, I request WG adoption of the 6486-bis text (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis-00.txt)

Thanks,

Steve

--------------258AC4415B6F80742F28CBB0-- From nobody Thu Jul 9 10:41:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EC43A0D70 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 10:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VfCbp52-z8Lq for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB9133A0D8C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id r22so2580215qke.13 for ; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:41:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GkXdcYPaFobdGwgEIUjEdhVDunY3x/a3PSF+mDCHFkw=; b=AbGR01RSg0jDREBA1wxzmWu63h5c2u+/61ufwHCxEG+idmVmVYgQ459GopbhtWbTxN kHXXGTONz2psfIQ/MalqcGRfyjLB5ShUl2cje5HWK1etDuWdu+nU9jR/Kpn50Z7TnNqW VYJAi1Pxh3SJgjzRV8XxILw8MsAObwyPVW24hIVcnyWnGxD2xIRmAaOJ3g7J0l7Y3Yf9 1V63I18D0y1EMkYSwqa8BGaIfVqrnljihIBa/Ma/DPF2yUCDvvMwjohNTDstNXL57hf4 ZYiubuD9SOEx5tr9xIzJIRi9wQLJrqV/l5yEpGVaTDwVGop9QeD7DBgZXcjHNTWflbht hMpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GkXdcYPaFobdGwgEIUjEdhVDunY3x/a3PSF+mDCHFkw=; b=Ak0GXjqCcXfneMUMjLWUPBqB5eHXxZLjQW0dKhnj0HR3tAPdwKNiy+xgBmhPwtEahF uUxUc23wNnc3ZXL6tFe+xzJGm43/erGsnE7yKoROqCIk7li0pT/1RaFF0ydOthuvlU/S PEC921f/qizNtFFNDTS8Z5WmwdQDPRYGHbPgwUMTSnDBkZWAoQ79tTS0/Rw1Edt0gQCg 6x62jwOHH+l4WGipqx1b5YIXX4ba5+VkkzazGU2XGNL5CRdRJYoiIVyDm4IVq/XQlVh6 svB7OJilvERQSl3XjtortpeZASpXUSVTY9veNvBxPR3RvwftueZApvZKH8k2pyt6Htrt yVng== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530kCBgUX5ctDEeOovVQDVLinItajMkUu3E6mbXrqesVJyFD7g0/ BFZxsfkMtV1zvN8iz/zjwmdMe2FhHJZR4E4asOc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw4F8b2BUBuDqHkvn84iZxPGkaivgixhaX53rq/NqEzJhQ7j4sXvPAYUpRKnKSmTx33Ufk2vyXdbZPtlULIDpo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:222c:: with SMTP id n12mr62427126qkh.210.1594316479597; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 10:41:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:41:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Stephen Kent Cc: "sidrops@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] request WG adoption X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 17:41:22 -0000 Terrific! thanks! I'll send out a request after lunch today. (my lunch, which is late, so.. hungry...) On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 1:14 PM Stephen Kent wrote: > > Chris & Keyur, > > On behalf of my co-authors, and other contributors to this revision, I request WG adoption of the 6486-bis text (https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis-00.txt) > > Thanks, > > Steve > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Jul 9 11:32:32 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03A133A0DAC; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:32:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xGpH5SnL_x_v; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qv1-xf36.google.com (mail-qv1-xf36.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 657233A0DAA; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:32:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf36.google.com with SMTP id el4so1382846qvb.13; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:32:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pHIrp8BXrmrhYur1BUAy+c/JH8Aw/AqRrUOascYNPQw=; b=W1vucuKDnjCJtJ72/MqEJpTbGM8DUnYNorqgt+wqxV9CNHk8Hf2qdxvGmfciixJKVg oIwQ4wuWggDR4HTAaSHId7IvDapWatZLezxaIv3cXVDPiavMB/hQLIll6wep+L5pw1/I vIes6kbc8tJaupJTQ2r+G84bCXNrwGKDUiQHbdGeEDilMYkvxRK15RH4P4QXYxmTU8TS WhyC/bjin+9YRyVwn6vTfb5jM2GZC/La0p1sHtMYAffwc2ebA2SHDmu9vF0g00pwAnen 5natVfoby0bqpmQysTyds1InuyK+fKgFJ1oMm9/Ep+RVGxizirkYMdDrMepiYh1DBK9I Q8cQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=pHIrp8BXrmrhYur1BUAy+c/JH8Aw/AqRrUOascYNPQw=; b=ULimJHKef5JD9Fh1yuiGHElfPWfHBwmg+lSwSuTwsUebXwPSD+SCoLe2UTaOGm3Qk6 olYNhaCvGnKNZznWbIxaRQHwH/uUXCy+KOV7y9jQlBgabaH5lYKX4biUQxR3Tz+9xndV RCfl6J+PcoE4GwoG5eWzlEhmSNfs4moSrqWBhDYycQNdbgAUQ4e5xf+MGIOoT1F7PZXD WngyaHInBu/QcK/MajLm2EpI/2cjTnVSMzC3hcpdFHQJClMzOQodyh7l+HBKb+Odfa6T kBJ0rNE7P2wk+oOi3XmXRuwlDd8cy1EVnA6mJpYWJ11mK3x933HMHjYa3H6JZwHuxeR8 GfPA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531vWN+hqXPXcePmBiSAJgMy1A8iAO575QGNdh6qWKMXs8I8rFmL zFInigIdbdhnUz4dEK26P85IdUIcRF9d3xOCSchNFxE+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxYm4waf2ZqDCPZpAMiWO5EJhepmjXPsK1bMa7GJRJOhzn8xxxI9afipvwK2+Z4bUaXQWmo2z1+JA1kidDm/sI= X-Received: by 2002:a0c:b246:: with SMTP id k6mr63176608qve.146.1594319548108; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 11:32:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 14:32:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: SIDR Operations WG , SIDROps Chairs , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 18:32:31 -0000 Howdy WG Folks! The authors of the 6486-bis document: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis would appreciate you all spending a few minutes to read/review and comment about adoptability in the working group. The abstract of same: "This document defines a "manifest" for use in the Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI). A manifest is a signed object (file) that contains a listing of all the signed objects (files) in the repository publication point (directory) associated with an authority responsible for publishing in the repository. For each certificate, Certificate Revocation List (CRL), or other type of signed objects issued by the authority that are published at this repository publication point, the manifest contains both the name of the file containing the object and a hash of the file content. Manifests are intended to enable a relying party (RP) to detect certain forms of attacks against a repository. Specifically, if an RP checks a manifest's contents against the signed objects retrieved from a repository publication point, then the RP can detect "stale" (valid) data and deletion of signed objects." Thanks for your consideration, reading and commentary! -chris co-chair persona From nobody Thu Jul 9 11:50:58 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56D1E3A0E1F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:50:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Etu9ypUIfSrQ for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:50:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E95C3A0E25 for ; 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X-MS-Exchange-AntiSpam-MessageData: 0nzcbu5sL7oqCeJ/oBL1QSZPV6zSMAoN7YnzU8AETEh3xJ20eJYqNlhuOAzAm4wEyufm/DJhF9zEiRHeZOqhEKZ09Ie7FGL6QqCmt69jpl4muA6qfBglNqN8GtL+/nG53IvroCayXHFQSPrMV3Cd6+eA25iFtEktIDG0jxONxw8cmQf9d7Ui1t95aIBBJpiWvIMM4tQQytcVXIcA7ownIFPM7s/kMxiTLEbP1MBOghqYOX5nr3F/tZdoDk2o/CHT8uJjOGyYbRtw5HgsAmuIgW1OcD04fKIUDn5O6RELwzOwu7CUZCAaOO69zA6dh1R/HdzeNeieXFrvNbaXWh8kxC1qHjUH4Q8kAArALRZHhOkKagwnauYFYgflP+31SuHj2tFn/T2G3dUHu0Z/adbOF6RnX5gZe3lEeOAPzfD1G9sEbvbHdMMhNV1/u6SvIV/Kvo/a1vSscKojbusI+T/r+jivFhyesvInopEIfh5YmdA= X-OriginatorOrg: workonline.africa X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: fceffed5-df04-42d5-c3ea-08d8243f935a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: HE1P190MB0329.EURP190.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Jul 2020 19:37:55.0182 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: b4e811d5-95e8-453a-b640-0fba8d3b9ef7 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-MailboxType: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-UserPrincipalName: FCBLi3ghP5rdgLv45ThHcneyEVKOkvdCw3KTkwB4zCYGhMN1EJ3Vx6KqjWjZ6LZ2szziws5snaIoduWco3dFLQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: HE1P190MB0266 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 19:38:07 -0000 On 07/09, Randy Bush wrote: > i support adoption of draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis as a wg document > > for fellow pedants: this does not imply that i completely agree with > it; rather that i think it should be worked on in the wg. > ditto cheers, Ben From nobody Thu Jul 9 13:05:55 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A39D3A059F for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:05:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10PVO_K_6RIa for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8C5F3A00D4 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51178300B7C for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:59:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id GsFYPtGcixl5 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37EA23005C6; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 15:59:27 -0400 Cc: SIDR Operations WG , SIDROps Chairs , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Christopher Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 20:05:53 -0000 I support adoption. This captures things that were discussed at the = recent virtual interims. Russ > On Jul 9, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >=20 > Howdy WG Folks! > The authors of the 6486-bis document: > draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis >=20 > would appreciate you all spending a few minutes to read/review and > comment about adoptability in the working group. The abstract of same: >=20 > "This document defines a "manifest" for use in the Resource Public = Key > Infrastructure (RPKI). A manifest is a signed object (file) that > contains a listing of all the signed objects (files) in the > repository publication point (directory) associated with an = authority > responsible for publishing in the repository. For each certificate, > Certificate Revocation List (CRL), or other type of signed objects > issued by the authority that are published at this repository > publication point, the manifest contains both the name of the file > containing the object and a hash of the file content. Manifests are > intended to enable a relying party (RP) to detect certain forms of > attacks against a repository. Specifically, if an RP checks a > manifest's contents against the signed objects retrieved from a > repository publication point, then the RP can detect "stale" (valid) > data and deletion of signed objects." >=20 > Thanks for your consideration, reading and commentary! > -chris > co-chair persona >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Jul 9 14:43:24 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3833A08C0 for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 14:43:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7ZDGYgsgaWe for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ran.psg.com (ran.psg.com [IPv6:2001:418:8006::18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5B2B73A08BD for ; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 14:43:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ryuu.rg.net) by ran.psg.com with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jteK6-0006ue-JX; Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:43:18 +0000 Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 14:43:18 -0700 Message-ID: From: Randy Bush To: Russ Housley Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/26.3 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2020 21:43:22 -0000 > I support adoption. This captures things that were discussed at the > recent virtual interims. but does it then put them in a tight enough cage so that do not have problems analogous to those we have with interpretation of MTI meaning also mandatory to use if needed? randy From nobody Thu Jul 9 23:35:31 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C46323A0DC6; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 23:35:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lrBQn7KgXklM; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 23:35:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out20-63.mail.aliyun.com (out20-63.mail.aliyun.com [115.124.20.63]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D81DF3A0C66; Thu, 9 Jul 2020 23:35:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=CONTINUE; BC=0.1970709|-1; CH=green; DM=|CONTINUE|false|; DS=CONTINUE|ham_system_inform|0.178795-0.0195301-0.801675; FP=0|0|0|0|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03293; MF=madi@rpstir.net; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=4; RT=4; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_---.I.STS2s_1594362914; Received: from 192.168.218.230(mailfrom:madi@rpstir.net fp:SMTPD_---.I.STS2s_1594362914) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(10.147.42.197); Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:35:15 +0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Di Ma In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:35:13 +0800 Cc: SIDR Operations WG , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Christopher Morrow , SIDROps Chairs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 06:35:30 -0000 I am in support of adoption of this document as WG item. And I will take part in discussions on it as I update RPSITR 2 the RP = software to reflect new requirements on MFT. Di > 2020=E5=B9=B47=E6=9C=8810=E6=97=A5 02:32=EF=BC=8CChristopher Morrow = =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A >=20 > Howdy WG Folks! > The authors of the 6486-bis document: > draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis >=20 > would appreciate you all spending a few minutes to read/review and > comment about adoptability in the working group. The abstract of same: >=20 > "This document defines a "manifest" for use in the Resource Public = Key > Infrastructure (RPKI). A manifest is a signed object (file) that > contains a listing of all the signed objects (files) in the > repository publication point (directory) associated with an = authority > responsible for publishing in the repository. For each certificate, > Certificate Revocation List (CRL), or other type of signed objects > issued by the authority that are published at this repository > publication point, the manifest contains both the name of the file > containing the object and a hash of the file content. Manifests are > intended to enable a relying party (RP) to detect certain forms of > attacks against a repository. Specifically, if an RP checks a > manifest's contents against the signed objects retrieved from a > repository publication point, then the RP can detect "stale" (valid) > data and deletion of signed objects." >=20 > Thanks for your consideration, reading and commentary! > -chris > co-chair persona >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Fri Jul 10 00:11:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0713A0E00; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:11:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d-B92C_iYsnV; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:11:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [185.49.140.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BB6D13A0DFF; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:89e0:9c91:eb0d:e348] (unknown [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:89e0:9c91:eb0d:e348]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7AFB81FA99; Fri, 10 Jul 2020 09:11:29 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=nlnetlabs.nl Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=tim@nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1594365089; bh=MMYrG3bs487jhhcb7hSZI/3KsK9EF4u12Rpm5vKF5EY=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=bFjBmmnGLISVaALxRiVNyq/o+RyP3U6uKw4ktJub25BxiR+uBCCZeZ2GhZGdMGSVh lUoJlKh4DM7jO3oYiaIh5393FBPEAMIi5WLj0djQAX7RYbc05ed0Vudl0tp9tGR5is svecaIgmD6951CQQhXABV2rNGZJ6ye92nZxj8inw= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 09:11:28 +0200 Cc: SIDR Operations WG , SIDROps Chairs , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2DE961B9-C1DC-4A1C-81B9-8C15928800C3@nlnetlabs.nl> References: To: Christopher Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 07:11:35 -0000 I support adoption! > On 9 Jul 2020, at 20:32, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >=20 > Howdy WG Folks! > The authors of the 6486-bis document: > draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis >=20 > would appreciate you all spending a few minutes to read/review and > comment about adoptability in the working group. The abstract of same: >=20 > "This document defines a "manifest" for use in the Resource Public = Key > Infrastructure (RPKI). A manifest is a signed object (file) that > contains a listing of all the signed objects (files) in the > repository publication point (directory) associated with an = authority > responsible for publishing in the repository. For each certificate, > Certificate Revocation List (CRL), or other type of signed objects > issued by the authority that are published at this repository > publication point, the manifest contains both the name of the file > containing the object and a hash of the file content. Manifests are > intended to enable a relying party (RP) to detect certain forms of > attacks against a repository. Specifically, if an RP checks a > manifest's contents against the signed objects retrieved from a > repository publication point, then the RP can detect "stale" (valid) > data and deletion of signed objects." >=20 > Thanks for your consideration, reading and commentary! > -chris > co-chair persona >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Jul 13 07:21:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F3183A1238 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 07:21:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xKC2FNytmXWj for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 07:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hrabosky.cbbtier3.att.net (braeburn.org [12.0.1.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 116413A1236 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 07:21:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from oz.mt.att.com (zoe.cbbtier3.att.net [12.0.1.45]) by hrabosky.cbbtier3.att.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D5EC4E0AF for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:21:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oz.mt.att.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 13A195640C12; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:21:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: emacs 25.2.2 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I); VM 8.2.0b under 25.2.2 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <24332.28147.359171.74082@oz.mt.att.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:21:39 -0400 From: Jay Borkenhagen To: Christopher Morrow Cc: SIDR Operations WG In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Jay Borkenhagen X-GPG-Fingerprint: DDDB 542E D988 94D0 82D3 D198 7DED 6648 2308 D3C0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:21:45 -0000 I support adoption of draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis as a SIDROPS WG document. Jay B. From nobody Mon Jul 13 08:06:09 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE853A1286; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WlGmqka-YQMQ; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail4.sttlwa01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (mail4.sttlwa01.us.to.gin.ntt.net [204.2.238.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 996D93A1297; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bench.sobornost.net (sobornost.connected.by.freedominter.net [45.155.156.99]) by mail4.sttlwa01.us.to.gin.ntt.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 066AA220121; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (bench.sobornost.net [local]) by bench.sobornost.net (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPA id de275cd7; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:05:58 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:05:57 +0000 From: Job Snijders To: Christopher Morrow Cc: SIDR Operations WG , SIDROps Chairs , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Message-ID: <20200713150557.GA99179@bench.sobornost.net> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WG ADOPTION]: draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis - ENDS: 07/23/2020 (July 23) X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:06:07 -0000 Dear all, I support adoption. Will work to produce a new implementation report for rpki-client based on this text. Kind regards, Job On Thu, Jul 09, 2020 at 02:32:17PM -0400, Christopher Morrow wrote: > Howdy WG Folks! > The authors of the 6486-bis document: > draft-ymbk-sidrops-6486bis > > would appreciate you all spending a few minutes to read/review and > comment about adoptability in the working group. The abstract of same: > > "This document defines a "manifest" for use in the Resource Public Key > Infrastructure (RPKI). A manifest is a signed object (file) that > contains a listing of all the signed objects (files) in the > repository publication point (directory) associated with an authority > responsible for publishing in the repository. For each certificate, > Certificate Revocation List (CRL), or other type of signed objects > issued by the authority that are published at this repository > publication point, the manifest contains both the name of the file > containing the object and a hash of the file content. Manifests are > intended to enable a relying party (RP) to detect certain forms of > attacks against a repository. Specifically, if an RP checks a > manifest's contents against the signed objects retrieved from a > repository publication point, then the RP can detect "stale" (valid) > data and deletion of signed objects." > > Thanks for your consideration, reading and commentary! > -chris > co-chair persona > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Jul 13 16:49:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80EB73A07C3; Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:48:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.8.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <159468413549.13331.705580678285803938@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:48:55 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-02.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:48:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : BGPsec Validation State Signaling Authors : Oliver Borchert Doug Montgomery Daniel Kopp Filename : draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-02.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2020-07-13 Abstract: This document defines a new BGP non-transitive extended community to carry the BGPsec path validation state. BGP speakers that receive this community string can use the embedded BGPsec validation state in conjunction with configured local policies to influence their decision process. The ability to accept and act on BGPsec path validation state from a neighbor allows for a reduction of path validation processing load and/or increased resilience in the event that a router is temporarily unable to perform local path validation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-02 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-02 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-02 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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(Fed)=0A= Subject: New Version Notification for draft-sriram-sidrops-as-hijack-detect= ion-00.txt=0A= =0A= A new version of I-D, draft-sriram-sidrops-as-hijack-detection-00.txt=0A= has been successfully submitted by Kotikalapudi Sriram and posted to the=0A= IETF repository.=0A= =0A= Name: draft-sriram-sidrops-as-hijack-detection=0A= Revision: 00=0A= Title: AS Hijack Detection and Mitigation=0A= Document date: 2020-07-13=0A= Group: Individual Submission=0A= Pages: 5=0A= URL: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-sriram-sidrops-as-hijack-dete= ction-00.txt =0A= Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sriram-sidrops-as-hijack-= detection-00 =0A= =0A= Abstract:=0A= This document proposes a method for detection and mitigation of AS=0A= hijacking. In this mechanism, an AS operator registers a new object=0A= in the RPKI called 'ROAs Exist for All Prefixes (REAP)'. REAP is=0A= digitally signed using the AS holder's certificate. By registering=0A= REAP, the AS operator is declaring that they have Route Origin=0A= Authorization (ROA) coverage for all prefixes originated by their AS.=0A= A receiving AS will mark a route as Invalid if the prefix is not=0A= covered by any Validated ROA Payload (VRP) and the route origin AS=0A= has signed a REAP. Here Invalid means that the route is determined=0A= to be an AS hijack.= From nobody Thu Jul 16 10:25:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92EA53A040F; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:25:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4P3ouTyXQD36; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x82e.google.com (mail-qt1-x82e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::82e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8852D3A0743; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x82e.google.com with SMTP id d27so5508250qtg.4; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:24:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=SiPV1+TJ2YuAy3GwD3leR3ZBPSBg24h4VPTQFJin/dA=; b=KR5pRm8Hzo5Rb0H60GEXPvziZnUCRh8mI/0rEmnKy9TrPx8F1m9YwIYqOtB3n5rI7H PGk+YgeWChtr/dVXCdxXwyUsm+bzwLhzDTpCWbf1As9Ran4dMvCy4FYJzKSokx5SmmqS 8QB+BsT7phTEWE4cyk0eA1a+wd/M5U47ITRiUBT19hmDnrV/YuVJkTsr3IM1bR371Wiq pJLebrFkI6mhIfYhmRHbHUou6gkA6GkiVgZaLRlsJkW3uK6pYU17fKMVkl0imhxiIbas mbqaxHlsthQBPiq5jX7gVAFsh1TmQyLXX8s68gTokZtblF+cY7yTXjem7EmNF5h9wEMY YA1w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=SiPV1+TJ2YuAy3GwD3leR3ZBPSBg24h4VPTQFJin/dA=; b=pRUIBmsPAgJ0QuThv4h30F95Du0FYkM5OJIrpbU0afubDJn+7WY2HT3v+lm69Gtyeh pwLcnn4kD4kTEG87rcmcJ7Ki+XC6W/5AcYvKgiDKuABF/ZOKdCUfJHnHIWCzOG8Lf5lg vTV4+J+hcilJLZ+nS5HHFS8WoObt2EenN5W0sTCh6jV+Q3GuHHp8ijJuEMRRZ1RMzKAZ 3aJOaFif0zxAA6DaGXrDIoDgqFyjKQUybQKFw/rxlmsU5uwPuUMVGJ8lg6kj+q+i2Mkn uSCk9Ow1BvYwiWLR5S5SFq/EGGXJHzLGwtTZGszwZ7ZOJfZQfDjcKkhLrUdB70IZMYol zDkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532ANfR0IQwl3+m4on0bJCEI9feRpfck4syuJVzj/Iftq5CFOYPY WPhQrewX65xwjsO2e8KBrsjDPqdmvljChXSJpO6R8OTR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxeGpcp7eMUoyxX+f4sk8ix/yR/cmNTt5FfjyskmBNdYlJf9i68grCG+GR86S3OU7CRW9hrXgwW8dQjWnH/nWQ= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3b99:: with SMTP id r25mr6132277qte.315.1594920274275; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <29748EA5-6016-4E6D-9261-A069F7431390@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: <29748EA5-6016-4E6D-9261-A069F7431390@nlnetlabs.nl> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:24:23 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Adopt draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync? X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:25:09 -0000 Howdy! It looks like this got a bunch of support, so could the authors please kick out a renamed draft and let's see to the next stage? :) thanks! -chris co-chair 1 of 3 On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:19 AM Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > > Dear co-chairs, WG, > > As mentioned yesterday I would like ask the chairs to do a call for adoption on: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync/ > > I am also more than happy to discuss the content, and adapt following discussion, but maybe this is better done if adopted :) > > Thanks > Tim > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Jul 16 10:27:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7003A07F0; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:27:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R1ylZ_xqqqCE; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qv1-xf29.google.com (mail-qv1-xf29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f29]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7D6B3A05E2; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf29.google.com with SMTP id e3so3052573qvo.10; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:27:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=r1iz3yJ42BVX1n4nHzdpo3IHvp7yyJ8sjXkaFj7j0yc=; b=jwUWi9fpq8/GAOtRxHOK6c9okJFg8Lesej90BZmbfQmefhX8eilU+5RqOjbxJSp9i7 nUY9R3lcZbNEnkZUbIAly1h+reiKt13Fuml/BhH3Al02ylCZK2WVZllE4XVNzL6M1cwS CaXIZXOF0rvXMRlB1G9zzWCHlgAYt2HbkAA/0jl02LptSuOouTT3TRxxYfp1+i7NO1Ns PfRjUdrn852FEklZ0OmYju8R5Ylmt3AfXuJ1999fWMdOSVs2wnNSbGt2bK4ktKsG8DgB Jcay/5KmffR3RV5fmcJzxyuJP59CdVxgXO97yQnaD9KD7xC5jFCjaY5g1sifKjZpcNsp hBuQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=r1iz3yJ42BVX1n4nHzdpo3IHvp7yyJ8sjXkaFj7j0yc=; b=Z73/s/wj/qFEFYsgJ6f/nMTysBKKSrc75rK0uafcBAr6NAE4SDpLzZqLBK+VReu023 kizVaBMjdntb8M2KDS1X4snFJuSqCD6PDybewvuzdrTp+CwEwziOhylHcro2ziIjFzxk CFgljX15VOpLYkw62a/iC2c+XENCEhBBCZLVGhyBPEg8/yfXrYIhXRLDBvAqrysAwefj Vj9As9q2cwZ8E+b/EQSGhDnHDUSuRaAveKUnwGGpCuOTNYFd3XDDWMMdZZ/QNLbFfWXc H2hYrFTAUzu/PXsCfKSj0nBzJrAU0xpbZqQ2MYQOl3nl5v9V+5Ff52Epnk2lK56C5h1N E7EQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533qfj3jrkasEo2n60WcYKiPWt3c4EZevi8fuwoRiK6+HzchsCYm 371fOg7mJMgWDGPXkNuHKhxMK1W+uLSVAkPOhz5To0xK X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzwMeB9Brk4tCWjjMUqB3rCHhB6lmVc+myTSq6+H3LRo/C1gSswCLFhvH4ht4OhFhJwA98hTCydi4wcG7kvDWk= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:458a:: with SMTP id x10mr5276070qvu.223.1594920454576; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 10:27:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Christopher Morrow Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:27:23 -0400 Message-ID: To: SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal - ends 18/Jun/2020 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:27:51 -0000 Howdy! this .. got lost :( and I think the Authors are planning to meet 'shortly' and chat through next steps for this document. For now I think a refresh is inflight to keep it alive in the system, but we're pending a refresh of the document in the next couple of weeks. -chris still frogsmasking. On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:22 PM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > Howdy WG folks! > > we have had a few discussions and starter-steps for: > WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal > > I think we never officially WGLC'd this document. > I think it'd be terrific if we could get folk to re-read, and > comment/assent/dissent (politely!:) ) on this topic now. > > Please have a read, the Abstract is thusly presented: > "A Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] is used by > Relying Parties (RP) in the RPKI to locate and validate a Trust > Anchor (TA) CA certificate used in RPKI validation. This document > defines an RPKI signed object for a set of Trust Anchor Keys (TAK), > that can be used by TA creators and publishers to signal their set of > current keys and the location(s) of the accompanying CA certificates > to RPs, as well as changes to this set in the form of revoked keys > and new keys, in order to support both planned and unplanned key > rolls without impacting RPKI validation." > > and I'd like to conclude Jun 18 2020 if t all possible :) > Of course, if the authors are: "Yo! this is not ready! back to the > easy-bake please!" that's also cool, just trying to force conversation > and forward momentum I am! :) > > -chris > co-chair-frog-smasher From nobody Thu Jul 16 16:41:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 994FC3A0E15 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YTDetq_25s7 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io1-xd30.google.com (mail-io1-xd30.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E03C43A0E10 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:41:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io1-xd30.google.com with SMTP id l1so8218526ioh.5 for ; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:41:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=algebras-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=KtAQlyhSVG2lSDbFVbmWzVtLU+TAbdQWyBYZcsVWtPI=; b=jgwmm6yhB9jO2Wg7NMnu3sNaQFQ4Mo7TK/1XLdFau08WsbbJ/2p5ghN0zCiLMcL44A 3gC3PuAIptsdQ/igTu026JVgoyI4mstGsdk8q+TXRoyX0sTI0ALwHwcyvJKGHPMc5l/C dxdtlSuYRkN8DKr2tsTICqJ8cDG83K9PbLfTzyTRlJa4Q/u9VYFhKv9UgNOTpfYtx7KI f7IhkpTa0GiMCTKgZADxVJdOnDN8RQnZonGKYz3sAyTzPHov/fnELtmLUQKuPQimKmr+ QSky/hyahaF+hua6rkvcPOd7lqstUXbWrqbv3l6S33GZOwQH+mjoWepfsd1322i2ZoHG z+Cg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=KtAQlyhSVG2lSDbFVbmWzVtLU+TAbdQWyBYZcsVWtPI=; b=hsGKM8f6V61gelzbLiamSPFxjAkB0b4fVDJEH4f5kr4z4Vt/6YJnPtB9LWsBj2MqZL Lec6VoEJTO0xKaWH/Ecb5i9vqHjKTIhejhVNXUFY4kLVbIRroRFRtNIHs53dZEpvqcqK hKJztP3KDCgCPnN2RMEpUhchfCF0tRAisUf3sejmz0AQ2+ReGZVNz78HKZY/r1vZhzm/ pTYvT/J1S4MF2Fgn8ApspMJq/fOZIoVkkBRz2DW+7x1R/FY/QtyT0c1dg1a29/BVFV+N wLQ0RYRiZ9uT/V2APB9eE/Ply52iS0SYWQ/J5ATkLTr2QkOk5m0Ibpe7V1Xe/DO003ZZ eiQA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532uGcujT3H48AgXijdIN6zmJYKcQk7YIlRfXsmmTs6UuRZfyqe2 OphZBwLKBELwU28TRAEOEXdg3pcgcBiZUKpg0yvf4g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyqjUvIvWba5xNDULhV3Nbcn0SXg55XVDl13N1LSfKHUFYiU5lDKQXXAUkOAQxDb2GK1jJFH/ong3u1ygsXoMg= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:2601:: with SMTP id m1mr1079750jat.141.1594942857909; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 16:40:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: George Michaelson Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:40:47 +1000 Message-ID: To: Christopher Morrow Cc: SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG , sidrops-ads@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal - ends 18/Jun/2020 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:41:04 -0000 I will discuss this with the other authors and expect to re-issue shortly subject to their agreement. It would be logistically kinder to do this next week, given timezones. There isn't much more to be said at this point. -G On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:27 AM Christopher Morrow wrote: > > Howdy! this .. got lost :( > and I think the Authors are planning to meet 'shortly' and chat > through next steps for this document. > > For now I think a refresh is inflight to keep it alive in the system, > but we're pending a refresh of the document in the next couple of > weeks. > > -chris > still frogsmasking. > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:22 PM Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > > > Howdy WG folks! > > > > we have had a few discussions and starter-steps for: > > WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal > > > > I think we never officially WGLC'd this document. > > I think it'd be terrific if we could get folk to re-read, and > > comment/assent/dissent (politely!:) ) on this topic now. > > > > Please have a read, the Abstract is thusly presented: > > "A Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] is used by > > Relying Parties (RP) in the RPKI to locate and validate a Trust > > Anchor (TA) CA certificate used in RPKI validation. This document > > defines an RPKI signed object for a set of Trust Anchor Keys (TAK), > > that can be used by TA creators and publishers to signal their set of > > current keys and the location(s) of the accompanying CA certificates > > to RPs, as well as changes to this set in the form of revoked keys > > and new keys, in order to support both planned and unplanned key > > rolls without impacting RPKI validation." > > > > and I'd like to conclude Jun 18 2020 if t all possible :) > > Of course, if the authors are: "Yo! this is not ready! back to the > > easy-bake please!" that's also cool, just trying to force conversation > > and forward momentum I am! :) > > > > -chris > > co-chair-frog-smasher > > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Thu Jul 16 19:24:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44EB83A0F69; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:23:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_ALL=0.8, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VtriYvK8hrsE; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.ops-netman.net (relay.ops-netman.net [192.110.255.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86E8D3A0F6B; Thu, 16 Jul 2020 19:23:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ops-netman.net (mailserver.ops-netman.net [199.168.90.119]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by relay.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 74C6C3C2035; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailserver.ops-netman.net.ops-netman.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.ops-netman.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 40C1A22F; Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:23:56 +0000 (UTC) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:23:56 +0000 Message-ID: <87y2nix4jn.wl-morrowc@ops-netman.net> From: Chris Morrow To: George Michaelson Cc: Christopher Morrow , SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG , sidrops-ads@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.9 (Almost Unreal) Emacs/25.2 Mule/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) Organization: Operations Network Management, Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI-EPG 1.14.7 - "Harue") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] [WGLC] draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal - ends 18/Jun/2020 X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 02:23:59 -0000 On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:40:47 +0000, George Michaelson wrote: > > I will discuss this with the other authors and expect to re-issue > shortly subject to their agreement. > > It would be logistically kinder to do this next week, given timezones. "in your own time" is perfectl fine! :) I wasn't trying to push you along, just to set status on something that's late getting it (my fault) and which was in queue for action. thanks! > > There isn't much more to be said at this point. > > -G > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 3:27 AM Christopher Morrow > wrote: > > > > Howdy! this .. got lost :( > > and I think the Authors are planning to meet 'shortly' and chat > > through next steps for this document. > > > > For now I think a refresh is inflight to keep it alive in the system, > > but we're pending a refresh of the document in the next couple of > > weeks. > > > > -chris > > still frogsmasking. > > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:22 PM Christopher Morrow > > wrote: > > > > > > Howdy WG folks! > > > > > > we have had a few discussions and starter-steps for: > > > WGLC - draft-ietf-sidrops-signed-tal > > > > > > I think we never officially WGLC'd this document. > > > I think it'd be terrific if we could get folk to re-read, and > > > comment/assent/dissent (politely!:) ) on this topic now. > > > > > > Please have a read, the Abstract is thusly presented: > > > "A Trust Anchor Locator (TAL) [I-D.ietf-sidrops-https-tal] is used by > > > Relying Parties (RP) in the RPKI to locate and validate a Trust > > > Anchor (TA) CA certificate used in RPKI validation. This document > > > defines an RPKI signed object for a set of Trust Anchor Keys (TAK), > > > that can be used by TA creators and publishers to signal their set of > > > current keys and the location(s) of the accompanying CA certificates > > > to RPs, as well as changes to this set in the form of revoked keys > > > and new keys, in order to support both planned and unplanned key > > > rolls without impacting RPKI validation." > > > > > > and I'd like to conclude Jun 18 2020 if t all possible :) > > > Of course, if the authors are: "Yo! this is not ready! back to the > > > easy-bake please!" that's also cool, just trying to force conversation > > > and forward momentum I am! :) > > > > > > -chris > > > co-chair-frog-smasher > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Tue Jul 21 03:52:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC31B3A0A52; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 03:51:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1CPnmayS8XsS; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 03:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [185.49.140.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3FAD33A0A36; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 03:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:acdd:989a:43ea:32cc] (unknown [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:acdd:989a:43ea:32cc]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53A932F45B; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:51:56 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=nlnetlabs.nl Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=tim@nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1595328716; bh=uPZWd/Y31il+tn9NTirVApS5RWTLaGrI2OLXtx/0T/o=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=sMngND7PnusglP4Sk+4MqGcmps2uq1lpfOuBgvoAsZN45SbSDDh6dQEELOkuha96f Jyu0ajn0LkTG88J5pi0CGULfuPzDdA8z0lMUs5afLKlZw8eiTWOL11tYPTHgg5Kts1 sovbe2TzUWpZeWWTAcCFFFjptjy2f2QUTRYjM7xA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 12:51:55 +0200 Cc: SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F13C3C6-5D00-4DBD-BD6B-D4690B6F2B33@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <29748EA5-6016-4E6D-9261-A069F7431390@nlnetlabs.nl> To: Christopher Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Adopt draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync? X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:52:00 -0000 Hi Chris, WG, I was away for the weekend and I missed the I-D cutoff. I have the = renamed version ready, and will submit after 2020-07-25 23:59 UTC. Do we need to discuss this again on during the meeting on Monday? The issues that I think could be most controversial are: 1) rsync URIs as object identifiers (section 4) In summary: the document proposes that we keep rsync URI as useful = object identifiers even if the objects cannot be retrieved at that = location. The main reason for this is pragmatism: introducing a new kind = of object identifier (e.g. URN based) would introduce a breaking change = and make deployment much, much harder. 2) rsync still allowed Currently the document says (tries to say) that if operators want, they = can still leave an rsync server running. While they are not required to = do so, it is not forbidden either. 3) rsync URIs in RRDP - can they be trusted? Finally, we recently had a discussion related to manifests (6484-bis) = and a concern was raised that the rsync URIs in the RRDP XML cannot be = trusted. I took this to the list on 25 June (subject RRDP and rsync = URIs). Essentially I argued that while any RRDP server can include any rsync = URI in the and elements in its XML, this is not = really an issue because relying parties know both the rsync URI *and* = the RRDP server when validating - so they can look for the rsync URI at = the relevant RRDP server only. If desired I can include some words on this in a -01 version, after the = -00 (rename only) has been submitted. Please let me know if any of you feel that this should be discussed = again during the WG session! Tim > On 16 Jul 2020, at 19:24, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >=20 > Howdy! > It looks like this got a bunch of support, so could the authors please > kick out a renamed draft and let's see to the next stage? :) >=20 > thanks! > -chris > co-chair 1 of 3 >=20 > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:19 AM Tim Bruijnzeels = wrote: >>=20 >> Dear co-chairs, WG, >>=20 >> As mentioned yesterday I would like ask the chairs to do a call for = adoption on: >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync= / >>=20 >> I am also more than happy to discuss the content, and adapt following = discussion, but maybe this is better done if adopted :) >>=20 >> Thanks >> Tim >> _______________________________________________ >> Sidrops mailing list >> Sidrops@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Sidrops mailing list > Sidrops@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Tue Jul 21 14:50:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C789D3A0AC6; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id syhfHz0Sru6H; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C2A03A0ACD; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id d27so351623qtg.4; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z8z5Nn2TXELSm5yz3iqtan68HP+aGxF+3Iczn39nmgc=; b=nYFLW3lfBXd/FB9Lksd38HqmRedp72pe110d+uI5cposM7i9Q7K/uU4gGQBlq7EXPo 82NcL7YosqwfZhStK3rbNkmW7/Q6Yo6SPCyLGF4bB9Ew2JtT3NxwOPvFaPU6HMuGz8E9 q+t/dSbxmODlWFLUy6HoLm9B7iMbPYRa3BYOHVA8+2hiH6yiuGlKgOCl8wcdLnFK34Ye cpR6+EBkrupAiH9MXcTl2qedfodmdNRih3qoLq3xDeeRsR9c4xlpy3O9zBOr99drGaJg mhsyylRqVTovY1wpe5v/ehDaVn7Bku5QYJgXRv9nRWyCIByUVHeBtzJOO2Hyz9y8ZyPN Z+dg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=z8z5Nn2TXELSm5yz3iqtan68HP+aGxF+3Iczn39nmgc=; b=gLMEITuJQUaAMhCSQAG41Gmkh6yJZf74BnufT1yA8vJxYtVVa/SUvdECi7TlCWx/t7 m8E/7IYQLK7CY39nFLTcTw7ExVhhOBfFOL1WnC4UZXB1tioO5OrX1mOTzc/Va4cRaL2T 63wZE2nSHUhyRhg0ONuzoqDru/3gLVemA90ND1rCPMPzJCprHa8MdpViWPJ9bHiPYhiX cQveiHR7Btlu00ohIBn9qmLZRy3TTEqqVlOTc086oL3iPcF0KSoFEatb+N9IKhkxnN/E BvTKAmp4ojlymrn/Kb5X4hU39QfkUS521IwFzsKVHeZ+AEg/r7df4ZqYTNiwzQ+HXbWY Wb8A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533vgnyGdW7ghWyWL6v2WjbrQaJgNXHh5BTRy5k2iEb9I+VwIgl9 kYJnKxJEgAMjN35XoIqwrW0suPr5nrtBhxr/B6ScDV4l X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzRqTiS60kaMeYnDy7G4c8f5FK3cGTV4cW/1hbnr3ULQpVO2jtHKsFbJqy+3RWEclaMk3r5tW7YW8vgbgPZnSU= X-Received: by 2002:aed:2e07:: with SMTP id j7mr32135372qtd.338.1595368208035; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 14:50:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <29748EA5-6016-4E6D-9261-A069F7431390@nlnetlabs.nl> <1F13C3C6-5D00-4DBD-BD6B-D4690B6F2B33@nlnetlabs.nl> In-Reply-To: <1F13C3C6-5D00-4DBD-BD6B-D4690B6F2B33@nlnetlabs.nl> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:49:57 +0000 Message-ID: To: Tim Bruijnzeels Cc: SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Adopt draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync? X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:50:11 -0000 On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:51 AM Tim Bruijnzeels wrote: > > Hi Chris, WG, > > I was away for the weekend and I missed the I-D cutoff. I have the rename= d version ready, and will submit after 2020-07-25 23:59 UTC. hopefully you had a good weekend! :) > Do we need to discuss this again on during the meeting on Monday? > I don't THINK so? :) but we can mention it in the chair slides section and say: "If there's more than a quick question we can just re-read the renamed draft and interim in ~3 more weeks" ? > The issues that I think could be most controversial are: > > 1) rsync URIs as object identifiers (section 4) > > In summary: the document proposes that we keep rsync URI as useful object= identifiers even if the objects cannot be retrieved at that location. The = main reason for this is pragmatism: introducing a new kind of object identi= fier (e.g. URN based) would introduce a breaking change and make deployment= much, much harder. > > 2) rsync still allowed > > Currently the document says (tries to say) that if operators want, they c= an still leave an rsync server running. While they are not required to do s= o, it is not forbidden either. > > 3) rsync URIs in RRDP - can they be trusted? > > Finally, we recently had a discussion related to manifests (6484-bis) and= a concern was raised that the rsync URIs in the RRDP XML cannot be trusted= . I took this to the list on 25 June (subject RRDP and rsync URIs). > > Essentially I argued that while any RRDP server can include any rsync URI= in the and elements in its XML, this is not really an= issue because relying parties know both the rsync URI *and* the RRDP serve= r when validating - so they can look for the rsync URI at the relevant RRDP= server only. > > If desired I can include some words on this in a -01 version, after the -= 00 (rename only) has been submitted. > > > Please let me know if any of you feel that this should be discussed again= during the WG session! > I think just a quick note and then interim if we need more deep discussion. I'd like the main focus to be agreeing on the -bis text... then we can stack the next set of contentious discussions :) > > Tim > > > > On 16 Jul 2020, at 19:24, Christopher Morrow wrote: > > > > Howdy! > > It looks like this got a bunch of support, so could the authors please > > kick out a renamed draft and let's see to the next stage? :) > > > > thanks! > > -chris > > co-chair 1 of 3 > > > > On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:19 AM Tim Bruijnzeels wrot= e: > >> > >> Dear co-chairs, WG, > >> > >> As mentioned yesterday I would like ask the chairs to do a call for ad= option on: > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-r= sync/ > >> > >> I am also more than happy to discuss the content, and adapt following = discussion, but maybe this is better done if adopted :) > >> > >> Thanks > >> Tim > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Sidrops mailing list > >> Sidrops@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Sidrops mailing list > > Sidrops@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops > From nobody Tue Jul 21 22:52:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A853A0E07; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:52:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nlnetlabs.nl Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AhI0QKbmPRia; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (dicht.nlnetlabs.nl [IPv6:2a04:b900::1:0:0:10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6072E3A0E05; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 22:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:b100:1f8f:3290:3f0c] (unknown [IPv6:2001:981:4b52:1:b100:1f8f:3290:3f0c]) by dicht.nlnetlabs.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7C49306EF; Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=nlnetlabs.nl Authentication-Results: dicht.nlnetlabs.nl; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=tim@nlnetlabs.nl DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=nlnetlabs.nl; s=default; t=1595397170; bh=3xcyZrTTODn5VLaEC+8y2EFsc1llZwVe2TvZg+/E+xM=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=LB1CJSvdggsSU8sCyLiZhUTdAojuCfUdWCQ+I8y2ZuUmZk1QrmZn4jBlSllXJd9Hu y6Xu3JQHFbJWYt+SGHoylo8mup59foAQkFLRc9wy9GbVXcinQBLNfLoTmRj8bcypww CFgj9pYgp+LVEaJnIZKQkaekdzg1Jy1yXc8h2jDo= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.80.23.2.2\)) From: Tim Bruijnzeels In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:52:50 +0200 Cc: SIDROps Chairs , SIDR Operations WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6042E4AD-0282-475B-AE49-6C15DF49CDBE@nlnetlabs.nl> References: <29748EA5-6016-4E6D-9261-A069F7431390@nlnetlabs.nl> <1F13C3C6-5D00-4DBD-BD6B-D4690B6F2B33@nlnetlabs.nl> To: Christopher Morrow X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Adopt draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync? X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 05:52:56 -0000 Hi Chris, > On 21 Jul 2020, at 23:49, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >=20 > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 10:51 AM Tim Bruijnzeels = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi Chris, WG, >>=20 >> I was away for the weekend and I missed the I-D cutoff. I have the = renamed version ready, and will submit after 2020-07-25 23:59 UTC. >=20 > hopefully you had a good weekend! :) >=20 >> Do we need to discuss this again on during the meeting on Monday? >>=20 >=20 > I don't THINK so? :) but we can mention it in the chair slides section > and say: "If there's more than a quick question we can just re-read > the renamed draft and interim in ~3 more weeks" ? sure, let's see - maybe things can be resolved over email as well :) >=20 >> The issues that I think could be most controversial are: >>=20 >> 1) rsync URIs as object identifiers (section 4) >>=20 >> In summary: the document proposes that we keep rsync URI as useful = object identifiers even if the objects cannot be retrieved at that = location. The main reason for this is pragmatism: introducing a new kind = of object identifier (e.g. URN based) would introduce a breaking change = and make deployment much, much harder. >>=20 >> 2) rsync still allowed >>=20 >> Currently the document says (tries to say) that if operators want, = they can still leave an rsync server running. While they are not = required to do so, it is not forbidden either. >>=20 >> 3) rsync URIs in RRDP - can they be trusted? >>=20 >> Finally, we recently had a discussion related to manifests (6484-bis) = and a concern was raised that the rsync URIs in the RRDP XML cannot be = trusted. I took this to the list on 25 June (subject RRDP and rsync = URIs). >>=20 >> Essentially I argued that while any RRDP server can include any rsync = URI in the and elements in its XML, this is not = really an issue because relying parties know both the rsync URI *and* = the RRDP server when validating - so they can look for the rsync URI at = the relevant RRDP server only. >>=20 >> If desired I can include some words on this in a -01 version, after = the -00 (rename only) has been submitted. >>=20 >>=20 >> Please let me know if any of you feel that this should be discussed = again during the WG session! >>=20 >=20 > I think just a quick note and then interim if we need more deep = discussion. > I'd like the main focus to be agreeing on the -bis text... then we can > stack the next set of contentious discussions :) works for me! >=20 >>=20 >> Tim >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 16 Jul 2020, at 19:24, Christopher Morrow = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Howdy! >>> It looks like this got a bunch of support, so could the authors = please >>> kick out a renamed draft and let's see to the next stage? :) >>>=20 >>> thanks! >>> -chris >>> co-chair 1 of 3 >>>=20 >>> On Wed, Apr 29, 2020 at 9:19 AM Tim Bruijnzeels = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Dear co-chairs, WG, >>>>=20 >>>> As mentioned yesterday I would like ask the chairs to do a call for = adoption on: >>>> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bruijnzeels-deprecate-rsync= / >>>>=20 >>>> I am also more than happy to discuss the content, and adapt = following discussion, but maybe this is better done if adopted :) >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks >>>> Tim >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Sidrops mailing list >>>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Sidrops mailing list >>> Sidrops@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidrops From nobody Mon Jul 27 05:45:54 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8E3A19B7 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:45:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cIN8ZzRvLzK0 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72b.google.com (mail-qk1-x72b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6BE383A19C6 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72b.google.com with SMTP id e13so15028476qkg.5 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:45:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FdiZ+hOGNxVGVrPp2e0QVWp53V2pGmd9X9YhYgiivXU=; b=U13jBCqzkYMypyuE7i6Ldb3zqB/R6Z9UcRe/nJlEweTdR/n7p5aE5LLIHGmOyMtAlO seye5ae8OctD2epJ1d9lkmyHKr/Vh+6QcY/j9GgiMRSVupPnZR3U3G0ktNTvXY0HCSkA llwjnCiRQhBIDQ0qWTUPwKsPiKjLqDbRhCe8AaNLPfM6yHeS8O91se3dysT+R0YuVBBf crWSzhtzlONChDtbt86NuKe4x3yBOyP7gq8kxtVpd3a2m/cOT0u9Me7HgiJwKayUK/3m 7BiDjQ0J1N3q5/LMKA/yw+Iv4foe4yTMpzj9/RdyP1w90sHZo/HbLg95FfcAT8OmumX6 rQ6w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=FdiZ+hOGNxVGVrPp2e0QVWp53V2pGmd9X9YhYgiivXU=; b=sOF9VeebfAD/zd3F2XsdWHDv93Ui9CiyvlfPQ+ZwreZdDdzXOX1ECL74SHnv87tmkz gkwUFPbx3zEN8WSy9NDBcIm+aPD9YzxGvakG+mWya45TcKn3qo5ECH6MTbf2ASyPMZQf D12nsF+sA5PRIjlNtQ6nqlrw1yUpkLH/u3G7qKlGA7T+A7p6KIxNrwir0pDbCf+yoiFT uvxCzVEThZ/8Ssk2t3VGiGh49/cngmAgkta9RUy2m8rjCWzad8koDNZvfIGmpoR9dVfB Gut8hggPLVC0zzmG+Rmo9JJKd20ariUqlczvAp9QbRbFmI6fPKMxMGli3LJF6WmkSYqz YFKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532kaKIoHYj/IVL9JMWAbiD11MT8t8MPbgG/XfI7ySC/6vhoWsnt bZWrFy5JGSKlMJs15q2SmGipcWAOPzm45iQbEOGwmUAZFVA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz45d2sOjuKXBJsOhSIJGTvh+tsFp+1us9R9CFG/2gcnudxBmdRBBST3E/xRNZrEQR6oPTC4joCIy8uYB2RwJE= X-Received: by 2002:a37:46c6:: with SMTP id t189mr22480295qka.50.1595853932057; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 05:45:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:45:21 +0000 Message-ID: To: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] Meeting Reminder / Info X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:45:52 -0000 Howdy! Since this is the first virtual IETF ... ideally we'll all be able to join :) but, how do you find the meeting? NOTE FOR SAFARI USERS: Perhaps Safari is being problematic? I've only firefox and chrome to test with, both of which work. Anecdotal evidence says perhaps Safari is less happy, though. 1) open: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ (go to the datatracker, under 'meetings' click 'agenda') 2) search for 'sidrops' 3) look for the 'video camera' icon, click :) I believe you can just join the audio stream with the 'headphones' icon... 4) profit. Notes on video/audio usage: a) please use a headset with built-in microphone - your laptop mic will: i) be horrid ii) pick up all your typing iii) be horrid b) please mute yourself if you are not actively speaking Based on demos I believe chairs can mute/unmute remote folk so this may not be relevant, but it's just nice :) c) Feel free to use your video, or not! if you are on a lower speed connection I'd recommend sacrificing video for audio. From nobody Mon Jul 27 06:58:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8986C3A19F2 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:58:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3vLRybkBRZ5g for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:58:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.netability.ie (mail.netability.ie [IPv6:2a03:8900:0:100::5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3420B3A19B0 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:58:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Envelope-To: sidrops@ietf.org Received: from crumpet.local (admin.ibn.ie [46.182.8.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.netability.ie (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 06RDw5kY084761 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:58:06 +0100 (IST) (envelope-from nick@foobar.org) X-Authentication-Warning: cheesecake.ibn.ie: Host admin.ibn.ie [46.182.8.8] claimed to be crumpet.local To: Christopher Morrow Cc: SIDR Operations WG References: From: Nick Hilliard Message-ID: <936bd5ec-1d2f-46cf-c40f-1f01bf303d84@foobar.org> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:58:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 PostboxApp/7.0.24 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Meeting Reminder / Info X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 13:58:13 -0000 Christopher Morrow wrote on 27/07/2020 13:45: > NOTE FOR SAFARI USERS: > Perhaps Safari is being problematic? I've only firefox and chrome to > test with, both of which work. Anecdotal evidence says perhaps Safari > is less happy, though. the mp3 feed on meetecho is flicking in and out once every second or two, which is unworkable :-( Nick From nobody Mon Jul 27 15:12:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739143A08C0 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:12:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pQ56kgIoEmLU for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36BB03A08CD for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2c.google.com with SMTP id dm12so8246493qvb.9 for ; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:12:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=EIwxZocNVWmw4hAJhnaMoFohio23p3PhjPuZAmPkP1w=; b=Y5xmNXWNi1Y5eU93F25R37PIIIPZ2BSvi2G9t8yzxXse7M8KY+I65WXrm4TglJ+NVJ aUTH3Qu1L2mB50eVR9dAFlRA83Lh1kN5qQUjcahMEiJ2q57zlUi5ZPWFjH8zfZTYti0+ mdH2UDGUNZ+6hxM7N+BnwENhCHLmiEHGvXd3fTMAEN+9t9bkzhHazXjW/5auG6xQuFk8 dnOtdT5Ku3pq7Wb4WGjkQ+SYmD6sKzPzCWltoGUjooRpsLazIH1tg2N1NfVz5gqxpeWw YZWHzD6DJdK5PraqAPq9BpcjRSwSqcpsvpSv6SYh4OT6J6CmKPumSsjfp+6ugu57G7Wh zebA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=EIwxZocNVWmw4hAJhnaMoFohio23p3PhjPuZAmPkP1w=; b=jv+QA5zE+3teog8KxOxsiwR19TAozjjY/i32RPIJovJ/OVi/i5QRprRE4VlTR68Em/ HYD5gYOqO29q0Q/hcLHze3GDg0zm0lgxhoXskNrzhpAD5u2884vEWzy5a5lFCcaL3+GU KIpd8moK1ldRhrpcb5lSaDMdoOl4m4TtiTTHAOmjj4CV5HtQwBK0U/mNR3WkuF/BcvuL 1dS3noLEc5k2lYPacTo0WAbaIvH3kGV2ikIu6Byx8YQ4DQGv6mydmAX+FtlGCEKO/iqa J0JpZOfSuZ1JY7CdrgjSyiU0rlYNSFvaNwvt2qB+Vpi0V/9dMlB08H6WbI4mMH3ZR8Ns GMmA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Qj1Q6muGW6SmOzKA3owQu2HV8zxiRvB2ICRYGYI1T8inzW2IN F5CWbPvax4TBQYsMOl1bDARzna4Bvirv/Lh48GKT6o9k X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw6maIPFChNK772ZNapUwfEKsW1rBwRm4m4h8nQo5CcF5lG9xaPI93FjNf0iUv6a0XqZ+3NadEeZ4FUda0+uZ8= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:4812:: with SMTP id g18mr24277317qvy.56.1595887965027; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:12:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <936bd5ec-1d2f-46cf-c40f-1f01bf303d84@foobar.org> In-Reply-To: <936bd5ec-1d2f-46cf-c40f-1f01bf303d84@foobar.org> From: Christopher Morrow Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:12:34 +0000 Message-ID: To: Nick Hilliard Cc: SIDR Operations WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Sidrops] Meeting Reminder / Info X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:12:48 -0000 On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 1:58 PM Nick Hilliard wrote: > > Christopher Morrow wrote on 27/07/2020 13:45: > > NOTE FOR SAFARI USERS: > > Perhaps Safari is being problematic? I've only firefox and chrome to > > test with, both of which work. Anecdotal evidence says perhaps Safari > > is less happy, though. > > the mp3 feed on meetecho is flicking in and out once every second or > two, which is unworkable :-( oh ;( that's gross, did you report this to the meetecho folk? (which apparently means emailing tools-discuss@ietf.org, of course with an approximate time and room-name) From nobody Tue Jul 28 04:33:01 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sidrops@ietf.org Delivered-To: sidrops@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BB973A0B34; Tue, 28 Jul 2020 04:32:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: sidrops@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.10.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sidrops@ietf.org Message-ID: <159593597940.21570.10421906145022337516@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 04:32:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Sidrops] I-D Action: draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-03.txt X-BeenThere: sidrops@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A list for the SIDR Operations WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 11:33:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the SIDR Operations WG of the IETF. Title : BGPsec Validation State Signaling Authors : Oliver Borchert Doug Montgomery Daniel Kopp Filename : draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-03.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2020-07-28 Abstract: This document defines a new BGP non-transitive extended community to carry the BGPsec path validation state. BGP speakers that receive this community string can use the embedded BGPsec validation state in conjunction with configured local policies to influence their decision process. The ability to accept and act on BGPsec path validation state from a neighbor allows for a reduction of path validation processing load and/or increased resilience in the event that a router is temporarily unable to perform local path validation. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-sidrops-bgpsec-validation-signaling-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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