From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 01 11:25:39 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hu90S-00057L-2U; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:25:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hu90Q-00053D-Mo for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:25:34 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.62]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hu90O-0001p8-OJ for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 11:25:34 -0400 Received: from mailgw4.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 820EE210CA; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:25:31 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3e-b1a1dbb0000061ca-4f-46603a6ba6a3 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw4.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 6125D2056A; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:25:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.70]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:25:30 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <6D34F0B7D5BCB246A42380744457CA36FEB585@esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 Thread-Index: AcekYRaG7KCJuR/7Sg6mMs9NhhusRw== From: "Anders Lindgren C (TN/EAB)" To: "Jonathan Rosenberg" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Jun 2007 15:25:30.0892 (UTC) FILETIME=[170DECC0:01C7A461] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8a85b14f27c9dcbe0719e27d46abc1f8 Cc: Subject: [Simple] Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0203506200==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0203506200== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7A461.174A343E" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A461.174A343E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Jonathan, The http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 describes a format how to sending information about the changes of an xcap document. In some situation it is useful be able to include more information in the change log than just what has been changed. Information that can be useful to have is when the changed occured, who did the change and the etag before and after the change. I have tried to find a way of adding such new elements but failed. My proposal is to change the xml schema in such away that it is posssible to add new attributes the elements , and making it possible to define a document like xcap-root=3D"http://xcap.example.com/root"> xmlns:ns=3D"newnamespace"> new attr ------ =20 If I understand it correctly it is the definitions below that needs to be changed to allow new attributes to be added. =20 They need to be of the form instead. It might also be useful to be able to reuse the attributes "previuos-etag" and "new-etag" in the element also as attributes to the child elements above. It would be nice to get your comments on this issue. Regards Anders ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7A461.174A343E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05

Hello Jonathan,
The http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05<= /FONT> describes a format how to = sending information about the changes of an xcap document.

In some situation it is useful be able = to include more information in the change log than just what has been = changed. Information that can be useful to have is when the changed = occured, who did the change and the etag before and after the change. I = have tried to find a way of adding such new elements but = failed.

My proposal is to change the xml schema = in such away that it is posssible to add new attributes the elements = <add>, <remove> and <replace> making it possible to = define a document like

<?xml version=3D"1.0" = encoding=3D"UTF-8"?>
   <xcap-diff = xmlns=3D"urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xcap-diff"
       = xmlns:ns=3D"newnamespace">
    = xcap-root=3D"http://xcap.example.com/root&qu= ot;>
    = xmlns:ns=3D"newnamespace">
    <document = new-etag=3D"7ahggs"
     = doc-selector=3D"resource-lists/users/joe/coworkers"
     = previous-etag=3D"8a77f8d"/>
     = <change-log>
        <add = sel=3D"*/elem[@a=3D'bar']" type=3D"@b" = ns:timestamp=3D"2007-05-30" = ns:changed-by=3D"bob" previuos-etag=3D"8a77f8d" = new-etag=3D"9ddgsds">new attr</add>

        <add = sel=3D"........." Type=3D"-----" ns:timestamp=3D"2007-06-01" = ns:changed-by=3D"joe" previuos-etag=3D"9ddgsds" = new-etag=3D"7ahggs">------</add>

      = </change-log>
   </xcap-diff>
   
If I understand it correctly it is the = definitions below that needs to be changed to allow new attributes to be = added.

    <xs:element = name=3D"add" type=3D"add"/>
    <xs:element = name=3D"remove" type=3D"remove"/>
    <xs:element = name=3D"replace" type=3D"replace"/>
   
They need to be of the form

<xsd:element = name=3D"add">
  <xsd:complexType>
    = <xsd:complexContent>
      = <xsd:extension base=3D"tns:add">
        = <xsd:anyAttribute processContents=3D"lax"/>
      = </xsd:extension>
   = </xsd:complexContent>
 </xsd:complexType>
</xsd:element>

instead.

It might also be useful to be able to = reuse the attributes "previuos-etag" and "new-etag" = in the <document> element also as attributes to the = <change-log> child elements above.

It would be nice to get your comments = on this issue.
Regards
Anders


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Please leave Avshalom some time before the next I-D deadline to incorporate comments in the next revision. Thanks, RjS _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 01 17:06:30 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HuEKF-0000zk-Nx; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:06:23 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HuEKE-0000zf-DB for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:06:22 -0400 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.179]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HuEKD-0000ij-4p for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:06:22 -0400 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a25so1819866pyi for ; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:06:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=fSNEyg55XzSXKnTn9L2LseKbfsS3tGq+fK8k4DmB7PX/MyrUI1YW1Cpce8VeUChqEdpxGuJdJZCmmmLyi/H/ndSEE3pAygoXvH5FmWx4fEKwDav3EFORbbG9z8nY9NajWQO+XMBEezoqRIgTZvrku9a5maeFx3RRB1v0OGvrsDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=Fyr0xmaXVE/8YzZJm2nh/BvgL3JOqljL5j15ueZIYUEF5PpjKhFkjoZjzH3/yYJkgLGvVSmqUm9kbGsnGn8FzkVCkLXVeTLQ5FkhaICoBF+eLMetfntJzdWi0CzNqJIh9YaOqXKm1ZYF68JYYtaHyb2ZZaujg8RdtOGpCe8aCC0= Received: by 10.64.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr2118560qbd.1180731968997; Fri, 01 Jun 2007 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.235.20 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Jun 2007 14:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 17:06:08 -0400 From: "Arjun Roychowdhury" To: simple@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5efdfd1da1549225 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5ba305d0e64821bf3d8bc5d3bb07228 Subject: [Simple] I-D: Motivation of providing Presence information as RSS Feeds X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arjun.lists@hsc.com List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have just submitted a draft discussing the motivation of mapping Presence information to RSS feeds. Till it appears in the archives, the I-D can be found at http://arjunrc.googlepages.com/draft-ietf-roy-presencerss-00.txt Abstract: RSS Feeds have always played an important role in providing users content related updates typically of Websites without having to visit those websites manually. Typical examples of RSS usage include users 'subscribing' to the RSS feed of a website, say, CNN.com and thereby automatically receiving 'news headlines' when the content changes. Recently, there have been significant innovations (such as Yahoo Pipes and Google Mash-up Editor) where RSS feeds from different sources have been combined to produce new services in a 'Web Based Service Creation Environment' model allowing users to create interesting services building on top of 'primitives' that can be represented on the Web. This document describes the motivation for an RSS feed for Presence information, which the authors believe would be useful to create new services using a similar environment described above. Comments welcome regds arjun -- Arjun Roychowdhury _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 04 17:57:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvKYN-0003Dh-5I; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:57:31 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvKYL-00037j-Lu for simple@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:57:29 -0400 Received: from dencfw1.jabber.com ([207.182.164.5] helo=wrk225.corp.jabber.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HvKYK-0007fF-7X for simple@ietf.org; Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:57:29 -0400 Received: from wrk225.corp.jabber.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wrk225.corp.jabber.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C787F61C95F for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2007 15:58:44 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <46648B14.5050204@jabber.org> Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 15:58:44 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre Organization: XMPP Standards Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070326 Thunderbird/2.0.0.0 Mnenhy/0.7.5.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: simple@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Simple] Reminder: review draft-ietf-simple-interdomain-scaling-analysis-00.txt References: In-Reply-To: Jabber-ID: stpeter@jabber.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 202a3ece0492a8c7e7c8672d5214398f X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1574901013==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --===============1574901013== Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms000002020604070902000000" This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms000002020604070902000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Sparks wrote: > Everyone - > > If you have not already done so, please take the time in the next week > or so to go through > the model and analysis in > draft-ietf-simple-interdomain-scaling-analysis-00.txt and provide > comments to the list. Please leave Avshalom some time before the next > I-D deadline to > incorporate comments in the next revision. I have written a similar document for XMPP [1] and have chatted with Avshalom off-list about the desirability of more tightly defining "profiles" of presence usage so that we can more accurately scope the traffic requirements. It would be especially useful to look into the differences between rich presence (using presence as the transport for things like mood and tune) and more traditional on/off presence supplemented by text description ("away + in a meeting" and the like). In particular, rich presence applications will result in both larger packets and a greater frequency of presence changes, thus putting a much more significant strain on the presence infrastructure. 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Jun 2007 19:00:27 -0400 From: "Arjun Roychowdhury" To: simple@ietf.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Google-Sender-Auth: a4cdf70f7aff5389 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 Subject: [Simple] Re: I-D: Motivation of providing Presence information as RSS Feeds X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arjun.lists@hsc.com List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I will be resubmitting this document shortly based on comments I have received offline. Please reserve comments till I repost. Appreciate it. regds arjun On 6/1/07, Arjun Roychowdhury wrote: > Hi, I have just submitted a draft discussing the motivation of mapping > Presence information to RSS feeds. > > Till it appears in the archives, the I-D can be found at > http://arjunrc.googlepages.com/draft-ietf-roy-presencerss-00.txt > > > Abstract: > > RSS Feeds have always played an important role in providing users > content related updates typically of Websites without having to visit > those websites manually. Typical examples of RSS usage include users > 'subscribing' to the RSS feed of a website, say, CNN.com and thereby > automatically receiving 'news headlines' when the content changes. > Recently, there have been significant innovations (such as Yahoo > Pipes and Google Mash-up Editor) where RSS feeds from different > sources have been combined to produce new services in a 'Web Based > Service Creation Environment' model allowing users to create > interesting services building on top of 'primitives' that can be > represented on the Web. > > This document describes the motivation for an RSS feed for Presence > information, which the authors believe would be useful to create new > services using a similar environment described above. > > Comments welcome > regds > arjun > > -- > Arjun Roychowdhury > -- Arjun Roychowdhury _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Tue Jun 05 11:38:55 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hvb7R-0006d6-Bx; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:38:49 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hvb7P-0006cw-Hk for simple@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:38:47 -0400 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.181]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Hvb7O-0006Xv-8F for simple@ietf.org; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 11:38:47 -0400 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id j5so979308wah for ; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:38:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rKfEAAARVZtv18mBgheOmU8Jd7ESt6bXrF9xfBzQy8f0ht9Yzc4cPnbRQH7ki333MZ+oOipJ4OTdpj9aemDzooXC8VmsInYki1QcPrnjcaQXQUuav5ZfXC07BwAZcuP9VCEuPcmIfvme+L5I5Dh/hJF9xirNsrq+GCv3jTZ02Ws= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:sender:to:subject:cc:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=uYvbXi9oAbJThMUQmKElspbDHO+toRIzuphgCqBmTNZxEHs/lfI/KIrFo1Yg9E167h0W22vIc6aBgD4xNoPfS22ucdTuZCMfV5KFQVrV/KStk3eWTy1+Fd9pjmOY8kowWkl9bvA7G5lY9p8X3ElodEX5K908Hr3kgLKOFsBbV0U= Received: by 10.114.92.2 with SMTP id p2mr6054015wab.1181057923982; Tue, 05 Jun 2007 08:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.193.11 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Jun 2007 08:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2007 11:38:43 -0400 From: "Arjun Roychowdhury" To: "Simple WG" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 0c7cbff88018c16a X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 52e1467c2184c31006318542db5614d5 Cc: arjun.lists@hsc.com, Henry Sinnreich Subject: [Simple] I-D (Updated): Motivation for converting Presence documents to RSS Feeds X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: arjun.lists@hsc.com List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org Hi, I have submitted a new draft discussing the motivation of converting Presence documents to RSS feeds. Till it appears on the list, http://arjunrc.googlepages.com/draft-roy-simple-presencerss-00.txt As a working example of the benefits, I've published a mappable presence feed example using GoogleMashupEditor at http://rsspresence.googlemashups.com/ using concepts proposed in this draft. Comments are welcome. Abstract: RSS Feeds have always played an important role in providing users content related updates typically of Websites without having to visit those websites manually. Typical examples of RSS usage include users 'subscribing' to the RSS feed of a website, say, CNN.com and thereby automatically receiving 'news headlines' then the content changes. Recently, there have been significant innovations (such as Yahoo Pipes and Google Mash-up Editor) where RSS feeds from different sources have been combined to produce new services in a 'Web Based Service Creation Environment' model allowing users to create interesting services building on top of 'primitives' that can be represented on the Web. This document describes the motivation for an RSS feed for Presence information, which the authors believe would be useful to create new services using a similar environment described above. regds arjun -- Arjun Roychowdhury _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From tbwl@intent.net Thu Jun 07 12:39:22 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwL18-0004ko-UG for simple-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:39:22 -0400 Received: from [87.110.123.86] (helo=nrnvs) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwKzK-0003gC-1l for simple-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:37:30 -0400 Received: from wrha ([105.178.63.221]) by nrnvs (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id l57GdCN8067234; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:39:12 +0300 Message-ID: <002001c7a922$22e120b0$dd3fb269@wrha> From: "Dannie" To: Subject: terminology spacing Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:37:28 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7A93B.482494B0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Scan-Signature: c54bc2f42d02429833c0ca4b8725abd7 ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7A93B.482494B0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001D_01C7A93B.482705B0" ------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C7A93B.482705B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now he's just a goner. 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Steve Bates is all gassed up over high = gas=20 prices.
Now Dub's spokesman, poor Scotty is = not. Sometimes=20 it's best to ignore'm.
Politics is Karl Rove's = game.
Daniel Henninger's latest Opinion = Journal column's=20 a doozy.
But the changes he makes Can't repair = his=20 mistakes, Cause the man in the Oval's a louse. Upward polls are = Bolten's aim. Bush=20 is just as dismal.
Josh will kick him out the door. He = needs staffers=20 brainy.
Upward polls are Bolten's aim. Dubya = answers no,=20 no, no. Daniel Thinks Left Blogs Are Coarse By Madeleine Begun Kane = Daniel thinks=20 left blogs are coarse, So he mutters atop his high horse.
Dubya Ain't Known For Decorum By = Madeleine Begun=20 Kane Dubya ain't known for decorum.
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Upward polls are Bolten's=20 aim.
------=_NextPart_001_001D_01C7A93B.482705B0-- ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C7A93B.482494B0-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 07 14:55:54 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwN95-0004LV-RL; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:55:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwN95-0004KA-0o for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:55:43 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwN92-0001V5-PA for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:55:43 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-3.cisco.com ([171.71.179.195]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2007 11:55:40 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,395,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="2183567:sNHT27249954" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com (sj-core-2.cisco.com [171.71.177.254]) by sj-dkim-3.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l57IteGX008936; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:55:40 -0700 Received: from xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com (xbh-sjc-221.cisco.com [128.107.191.63]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l57IteaI010784; Thu, 7 Jun 2007 18:55:40 GMT Received: from xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com ([171.70.151.187]) by xbh-sjc-221.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:55:39 -0700 Received: from [10.32.241.146] ([10.32.241.146]) by xfe-sjc-212.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Jun 2007 11:55:39 -0700 Message-ID: <466854AA.8080303@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 14:55:38 -0400 From: Jonathan Rosenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Anders Lindgren C (TN/EAB)" References: <6D34F0B7D5BCB246A42380744457CA36FEB585@esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <6D34F0B7D5BCB246A42380744457CA36FEB585@esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jun 2007 18:55:39.0719 (UTC) FILETIME=[70FABD70:01C7A935] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=3030; t=1181242540; x=1182106540; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim3002; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jdrosen@cisco.com; z=From:=20Jonathan=20Rosenberg=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20Extending=20the=20xmlschema=20in=20draft-ietf-simple- xcap-diff-05 |Sender:=20; bh=ZPVcQODWL7GT99j8PjowbNArmGzgcwc//ZurEAI4FC0=; b=LiNKdRYzUxyJAvYyTCigYqEdduo7Ze9QeDaEiWb0zNnXUJ6BcLem//O43jw/D0OuhcXrIyCa +HzyfYdbpzjj1BmgjYZdkoNAUMSDs0+ifwxQ6fv/6jIZuVLx/nHPKBuS; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-3; header.From=jdrosen@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim3002 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: b7b9551d71acde901886cc48bfc088a6 Cc: simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] Re: Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org I think its reasonable to want this kind of extensibility. I'd probably argue that this would be better defined in the patch-ops draft than here, but I don't feel very strongly on that. I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the etags within the change elements. Can you explain a use case for that? -Jonathan R. Anders Lindgren C (TN/EAB) wrote: > Hello Jonathan, > The _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05_ > describes a format how to sending information about the changes of an > xcap document. > > In some situation it is useful be able to include more information in > the change log than just what has been changed. Information that can be > useful to have is when the changed occured, who did the change and the > etag before and after the change. I have tried to find a way of adding > such new elements but failed. > > My proposal is to change the xml schema in such away that it is > posssible to add new attributes the elements , and > making it possible to define a document like > > > * **xmlns:ns="newnamespace*"> > xcap-root="http://xcap.example.com/root"> > xmlns:ns="newnamespace"> > doc-selector="resource-lists/users/joe/coworkers" > previous-etag="8a77f8d"/> > > ns:changed-by="bob" previuos-etag="8a77f8d" new-etag="9ddgsds"*>new > attr > > ns:changed-by="joe" previuos-etag="9ddgsds" new-etag="7ahggs"*>------ > > > > > If I understand it correctly it is the definitions below that needs to > be changed to allow new attributes to be added. > > > > > > They need to be of the form > > > > > > > > > > > > instead. > > It might also be useful to be able to reuse the attributes > "previuos-etag" and "new-etag" in the element also as > attributes to the child elements above. > > It would be nice to get your comments on this issue. > Regards > Anders > > -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Cisco Fellow Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 Cisco Systems jdrosen@cisco.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From wqafo@reed.co.uk Thu Jun 07 23:20:03 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwV19-0008Sn-3s for simple-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:20:03 -0400 Received: from [88.227.193.33] (helo=zajzdh) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwV17-0004nd-Dm for simple-archive@lists.ietf.org; Thu, 07 Jun 2007 23:20:03 -0400 Message-ID: <4668CAE3.2070100@reed.co.uk> Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:20:03 +0300 From: Thurman V. Kathleen User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: simple-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: penalties have reached far as lethal since Vatican is recognized as wwhat is stands for. Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 3.2 (+++) X-Scan-Signature: 08170828343bcf1325e4a0fb4584481c sought
I think there is no more to say.
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From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 08 11:15:05 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwgB5-0003Gg-9Y; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:15:03 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwgB4-0003GU-07 for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:15:02 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se ([193.180.251.60]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HwgB2-0006vH-7U for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 08 Jun 2007 11:15:01 -0400 Received: from mailgw3.ericsson.se (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 903FA207D9; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:14:59 +0200 (CEST) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3c-a8cebbb0000073d5-6f-466972737bc3 Received: from esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se (unknown [153.88.254.123]) by mailgw3.ericsson.se (Symantec Mail Security) with ESMTP id 694F1204F8; Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:14:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se ([153.88.200.70]) by esealmw126.eemea.ericsson.se with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:14:59 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 17:14:56 +0200 Message-ID: <6D34F0B7D5BCB246A42380744457CA360106E791@esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se> In-Reply-To: <466854AA.8080303@cisco.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 Thread-Index: AcepNXLJ+W9kEZtcQyKmv+NIiXuXvQAp2TmQ References: <6D34F0B7D5BCB246A42380744457CA36FEB585@esealmw107.eemea.ericsson.se> <466854AA.8080303@cisco.com> From: "Anders Lindgren C (TN/EAB)" To: "Jonathan Rosenberg" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Jun 2007 15:14:59.0243 (UTC) FILETIME=[C7742FB0:01C7A9DF] X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3a4bc66230659131057bb68ed51598f8 Cc: simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] RE: Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org My view is that if you have XCAP, one change log element will in most situations create a new etag value. This means that if you have a sequence of changelog elements it might be good to know how every change log element changed the etag value. One possible use case that I see it that the client do a Subscribe for document changes and receives a first Notify with the XCAP URI to the document. The Notifier has some kind of time based rate limitation and number of changes are done in the document. The client is fetching the XCAP document and get a newer version than the one if the first Notify(Etag is different then the one in the Notify). The Notifier finds out that it is time to send a Notify and does that by sending a Notify with a sequence of change log element. If the client receives per change log element information about etags, the client is able to patch the version it has as it can skip all change log elements up to the one with the previous etag equals its documents etag. Br Anders =20 -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Rosenberg [mailto:jdrosen@cisco.com]=20 Sent: den 7 juni 2007 20:56 To: Anders Lindgren C (TN/EAB) Cc: simple@ietf.org Subject: Re: Extending the xmlschema in draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05 I think its reasonable to want this kind of extensibility. I'd probably argue that this would be better defined in the patch-ops draft than here, but I don't feel very strongly on that. I'm not sure I understand the meaning of the etags within the change elements. Can you explain a use case for that? -Jonathan R. Anders Lindgren C (TN/EAB) wrote: > Hello Jonathan, > The _http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-simple-xcap-diff-05_ > describes a format how to sending information about the changes of an=20 > xcap document. >=20 > In some situation it is useful be able to include more information in=20 > the change log than just what has been changed. Information that can=20 > be useful to have is when the changed occured, who did the change and=20 > the etag before and after the change. I have tried to find a way of=20 > adding such new elements but failed. >=20 > My proposal is to change the xml schema in such away that it is=20 > posssible to add new attributes the elements , and=20 > making it possible to define a document like >=20 > > * **xmlns:ns=3D"newnamespace*"> > xcap-root=3D"http://xcap.example.com/root"> > xmlns:ns=3D"newnamespace"> > doc-selector=3D"resource-lists/users/joe/coworkers" > previous-etag=3D"8a77f8d"/> > > ns:changed-by=3D"bob" previuos-etag=3D"8a77f8d" = new-etag=3D"9ddgsds"*>new=20 > attr >=20 > ns:changed-by=3D"joe" previuos-etag=3D"9ddgsds"=20 > new-etag=3D"7ahggs"*>------ >=20 > > > =20 > If I understand it correctly it is the definitions below that needs to > be changed to allow new attributes to be added. >=20 > > > > =20 > They need to be of the form >=20 > > > > > > > > > >=20 > instead. >=20 > It might also be useful to be able to reuse the attributes=20 > "previuos-etag" and "new-etag" in the element also as=20 > attributes to the child elements above. >=20 > It would be nice to get your comments on this issue. > Regards > Anders >=20 >=20 --=20 Jonathan D. 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So please, focus on that Section and see if still something is missing. I want to thank Brian Rosen and Paul Kyzivat for the review, discussions, and guidance offered on nicknames. /Miguel -- Miguel A. Garcia tel:+358-50-4804586 Nokia Siemens Networks Espoo, Finland _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Mon Jun 18 02:53:14 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I0B6t-0008SC-UK; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:53:11 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I0B6t-0008QP-4k for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:53:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I0B6p-0008N6-AZ for simple@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:53:07 -0400 Received: from repmmg02.bea.com ([66.248.192.39]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I0B6o-00033C-Sb for simple@ietf.org; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 02:53:07 -0400 Received: from repmmr02.bea.com (repmmr02.bea.com [10.160.30.72]) by repmmg02.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.7) with ESMTP id l5I6quYA027191; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:52:56 -0700 Received: from repbex01.amer.bea.com (repbex01.bea.com [10.160.26.98]) by repmmr02.bea.com (Switch-3.2.7/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id l5I6qe1M000386; Sun, 17 Jun 2007 23:52:41 -0700 Received: from 172.24.28.172 ([172.24.28.172]) by repbex01.amer.bea.com ([10.160.26.98]) with Microsoft Exchange Server HTTP-DAV ; Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:52:53 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/11.3.3.061214 Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:52:52 +0900 From: Eric Burger To: Arjun Roychowdhury Message-ID: Thread-Topic: Comments on draft-roy-simple-presencerss-00 Thread-Index: AcexdUpZiLGniB1oEdysbAAWy4mm/w== Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit x-BEA-PMX-Instructions: AV x-BEA-MM: Internal-To-External X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] Comments on draft-roy-simple-presencerss-00 X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org As I see it, there are two things to work out. The first is rather easy and straightforward: determine the format and ontology of the RSS feed. The second is a bit harder: how do we handle the data access entitlements? We have a rich set of policy enforcement at the SIP SUBSCRIBE level. Would we try to replicate that at the RSS level, use RSS equivalents, or punt and say that a different access protocol results in a different policy enforcement regime? I would offer that would open up a bunch of security considerations. None the least would be a stricture to enforce the user's data access policy across all access modalities. Some comments on the introduction: There is a fundamental misconception that percolates through in a few places dealing with information sharing between two providers participating in a mash-up. For example: ... if provider 'B' were build a new application on top of a service provided by 'A', B would only access content from A using well known Web Standards and would not need to host A's content in its own domain. Similarly, A does not need to access any more data in B's domain beyond what is needed to make the service work. A key feature of Mash-Ups is Domain A has *NO* need to access ANY data in Domain B to provide the service. Of course, the caveat is Domain A may require authentication and authorization of the users of Domain A's web service. However, that still imposes no burden on Domain A to access Domain B to provide a service to Domain B. Having such interdependencies means that in order to create a Mash-Up, you would have to somehow educate the component providers about your service. This is a combinatorial and economically infeasible situation. I would also offer that one not get hung up on being browser-centric. Lots of interesting applications may use Web Portal technologies, but do not have actual browser-based displays. I also would not focus exclusively on "Provider Generated" mash-ups. The whole point of Web 2.0 are user-generated applications! Notice: This email message, together with any attachments, may contain information of BEA Systems, Inc., its subsidiaries and affiliated entities, that may be confidential, proprietary, copyrighted and/or legally privileged, and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity named in this message. 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Anyway, I resubscribed again, hope this goes through) Eric, thanks for your list review, and your offline comments. Responses to the list comments below: On 6/18/07, Eric Burger wrote: > As I see it, there are two things to work out. The first is rather easy and > straightforward: determine the format and ontology of the RSS feed. The > second is a bit harder: how do we handle the data access entitlements? We ARC> Another idea that I received was to ditch RSS and start with ATOM, the latter being an IETF effort and significantly more rich than RSS (euphemism for more complex as well). It doesn't really matter to this draft, since most of the mashup environments I have worked on support both. > have a rich set of policy enforcement at the SIP SUBSCRIBE level. Would we > try to replicate that at the RSS level, use RSS equivalents, or punt and say > that a different access protocol results in a different policy enforcement > regime? I would offer that would open up a bunch of security > considerations. None the least would be a stricture to enforce the user's > data access policy across all access modalities. ARC> No, we should not try and replicate any presence related authorization schemes at all at RSS. The only authorization scheme that should remain at RSS level is the authorization to access the RSS list (which exists today in form of authenticated RSS). Any presence related authentication is applied before converting it to an RSS feed. The interesting thing, however, taking the draft example, is what happens if 'B' is not allowed to see 'A's presence directly via SIP. However, 'A' allows 'trackit' to see it's state and then B uses 'Trackit' to see the state (since 'trackit' is a service). However, this technically maps to A allowing any user C to see it's state and C allowing B to see that same state, so I am not sure if this is something that is unique to the example. > > > A key feature of Mash-Ups is Domain A has *NO* need to access ANY data in > Domain B to provide the service. Of course, the caveat is Domain A may > require authentication and authorization of the users of Domain A's web > service. However, that still imposes no burden on Domain A to access Domain > B to provide a service to Domain B. Having such interdependencies means > that in order to create a Mash-Up, you would have to somehow educate the > component providers about your service. This is a combinatorial and > economically infeasible situation. I do not believe that is true. If there was absolutely NO data-sharing, then the applicability and scope of mashups in terms of what they can do is limited. Therefore, I prefer the term *limited* (what is needed for that service) as opposed to *NONE*. For example, many 3rd party data sources allow me to construct a query to get back their data in JSON format to plug into my service (example, playlist information). This is what I am referring to as data. Similiarly, back to the draft example, the RSS list that 'trackit' is sharing with 'mapitntrackit' in response to the HTTP GET for RSS is also what I am referring to as 'Data'. > > I would also offer that one not get hung up on being browser-centric. Lots > of interesting applications may use Web Portal technologies, but do not have > actual browser-based displays. Yes, I agree. The crux is to use standard web technologies. If a non-browser supports it, that is fine too. I will make this change. > > I also would not focus exclusively on "Provider Generated" mash-ups. The > whole point of Web 2.0 are user-generated applications! Again a good point. 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From simple-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jun 23 11:13:45 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I27If-0000lM-P4; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:21 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I27Ie-0000i8-6n for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I27Id-0000hB-T7 for simple@ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:19 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I27Ic-0002Qj-IW for simple@ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:19 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2007 11:13:18 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CANPVfEZAZnme/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,455,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="63517982:sNHT25559626" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5NFDIpP012151 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:18 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l5NFDHLf014322 for ; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:13:18 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:17 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.106] ([10.86.241.2]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:17 -0400 Message-ID: <467D388D.2080206@cisco.com> Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 11:13:17 -0400 From: Jonathan Rosenberg User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simple WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Jun 2007 15:13:17.0647 (UTC) FILETIME=[07181DF0:01C7B5A9] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=693; t=1182611598; x=1183475598; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=jdrosen@cisco.com; z=From:=20Jonathan=20Rosenberg=20 |Subject:=20New=20draft=20on=20=22SIMPLE=20made=20Simple=22 |Sender:=20 |To:=20Simple=20WG=20; bh=TfndSQM55TfJ2PWQrcDXGpM9ewi/ISwMnFrSmM3lt48=; b=fqHeP0wo1TyY+flr3QGQp+mbA/sQE75x2Y/8VxE3zIS/T5aJVQKM2hRmkBMn6Zq9GaAk41Ah ApsNNg1PWgraoBjbkEhqC4ottSmeFc5orRIMy1PySWVj1p92yRTl567m; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=jdrosen@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: d6b246023072368de71562c0ab503126 Subject: [Simple] New draft on "SIMPLE made Simple" X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org I've just posted: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00.txt This draft is basically the SIP hitchhikers guide, but for SIMPLE. It was meant to fulfill our charter item: Jun 2007 Submission of SIMPLE protocol annotated overview draft to IESG for publication as Informational Comments and questions welcome. -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Cisco Fellow Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 Cisco Systems jdrosen@cisco.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.cisco.com _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Sat Jun 23 15:25:16 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I2BEG-0002uj-8R; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:25:04 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I2BEE-0002tu-Ox for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I2BEE-0002tm-FA for simple@ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net ([81.228.8.83]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I2BEC-0000Jk-33 for simple@ietf.org; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from GunnarH (213.64.232.214) by pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net (7.2.075) id 4656A99000707181; Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:24:57 +0200 Message-ID: <4656A99000707181@pne-smtpout1-sn2.hy.skanova.net> (added by postmaster@pne.skanova.net) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gunnar_Hellstr=F6m?= To: "'Jonathan Rosenberg'" , "'Simple WG'" Subject: RE: [Simple] New draft on "SIMPLE made Simple" Date: Sat, 23 Jun 2007 21:24:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 Thread-Index: Ace1qUEfGJ1422r2QiW87foXqjsFVwAIbiwg In-Reply-To: <467D388D.2080206@cisco.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: fb6060cb60c0cea16e3f7219e40a0a81 Cc: X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org Jonathan, Thanks for a good overview. I have two suggestions for the first paragraph in section 3. There is currently a sentence there saying: "In session mode, IM is viewed as another media type - along with audio and video - and an INVITE request is used to set up a session that includes IM as a media type." 1. Firstly, we have agreed to mention the three basic real-time media = types "video, text and audio" in SIP related specifications. So, I suggest to = add "text" here. 2. Then, I suggest that you mention that the media type for SIMPLE IM is "message". With these two small edits the sentence would become: "In session mode, IM is viewed as another media type - along with audio, text and video - and an INVITE request is used to set up a session that includes IM as a "message" media type. Gunnar =20 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Gunnar Hellstr=F6m Omnitor gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Rosenberg [mailto:jdrosen@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 5:13 PM To: Simple WG Subject: [Simple] New draft on "SIMPLE made Simple" I've just posted: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00.txt This draft is basically the SIP hitchhikers guide, but for SIMPLE. It = was meant to fulfill our charter item: Jun 2007 Submission of SIMPLE protocol annotated overview draft to=20 IESG for publication as Informational Comments and questions welcome. -Jonathan R. --=20 Jonathan D. 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At a few places RFC4779-->RFC4479 -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Rosenberg [mailto:jdrosen@cisco.com]=20 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:13 AM To: Simple WG Subject: [Simple] New draft on "SIMPLE made Simple" I've just posted: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00.txt This draft is basically the SIP hitchhikers guide, but for SIMPLE. It=20 was meant to fulfill our charter item: Jun 2007 Submission of SIMPLE protocol annotated overview draft to=20 IESG for publication as Informational Comments and questions welcome. -Jonathan R. --=20 Jonathan D. 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Arun Punj (WD/EUS) wrote: > Nit. > > At a few places RFC4779-->RFC4479 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Rosenberg [mailto:jdrosen@cisco.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 11:13 AM > To: Simple WG > Subject: [Simple] New draft on "SIMPLE made Simple" > > I've just posted: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00.txt > > This draft is basically the SIP hitchhikers guide, but for SIMPLE. It > was meant to fulfill our charter item: > > Jun 2007 Submission of SIMPLE protocol annotated overview > draft to > IESG for publication as Informational > > Comments and questions welcome. > > -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. 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The specification is all about removing the burden of connecting from the end user and providing them with the customer experience they want - fast and easy connectivity. Frank Melzer, CEO of Bosch Sensortec GmbH, located in Reutlingen, Germany. It is interesting to note that for pre-paid services, end users are saying that price, validity period and minimum spend are more important than quality of service. By providing a common integration point for brands, businesses and individuals, Bango removes the complexities that make the mobile web difficult to exploit. Through the program, BelAir Networks will then certify their design. It can save you a lot of headaches down the line. Under the program, the customer and their system integrator will agree upon performance and coverage objectives, and then design an architecture to meet those requirements. The fact that the Sanyo Katana is only available in the US reflects the rapid growth in mobile surfing by US users. European brands include Adapt, XAIOX and Oasis-Media. It is interesting to note that for pre-paid services, end users are saying that price, validity period and minimum spend are more important than quality of service. "This is certainly true of the US and South Africa and the imminent introduction of flat-rate data charges in the UK will push up mobile web usage in the UK even further. The office will also provide a direct point of contact for Intamac's existing international partners into the Korean market. European brands include Adapt, XAIOX and Oasis-Media. Enables a Nokia mobile phone to be used as an extension to a corporate PBX system. Some very generous songwriters believe in share and share alike, and split up the performing rights royalties between all of the band members. With their new Certified Network Design Program, BelAir Networks is setting a new standard for the industry. This makes the product an easy, scalable solution for small businesses as well as large corporates. European brands include Adapt, XAIOX and Oasis-Media. The WRIX standard addresses these issues by standardising various criteria involving technical interconnections, data and reporting, as well as financial and clearing house services. It is also why Trustive's 'per second billing' and innovative pooled subscriptions are proving such a success. The company is listed on the London Stock Exchange under the symbol TLNT. NemeriX's devices enable battery-power location determination anywhere, anytime, facilitating the design and manufacture of truly differentiated products for both consumer and professional markets. In addition, usage per hotspot is increasing. com and is a very simple process. brightlinks, A:visited. From wind@acsalaska.net Wed Jun 27 15:12:00 2007 Return-path: Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3cvo-0003Ou-BK for simple-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:12:00 -0400 Received: from [82.114.70.18] (helo=pqfweb) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3cvC-0004WV-6A for simple-archive@lists.ietf.org; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:12:00 -0400 Received: from pspc ([137.163.75.124]) by pqfweb (8.13.1/8.13.1) with SMTP id l5RJCoMG038089; Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:12:50 +0200 Message-ID: <4682B656.3080700@acsalaska.net> Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2007 21:11:18 +0200 From: Sam D. Banks User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: simple-archive@lists.ietf.org Subject: all recognized iptables rules are imported and interface and direction are set in all rules appropriately. 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Both installers were updated however to improve support for the automatic roll-back feature in case you lose connect with the firewall or the router because of an error in the policy. To avoid inadvertently opening holes in the firewall by a rule like that, we remove fw object only when it is safe to do so. If option that activates CONNMARK target is used, compiler also adds a rule at the very top of the policy to restore the mark. the following keywords available in extended access lists are not supported at this time: tos, precedence, time-range. Object can be confgiured to do so at compile time or run time. Unrecognized targets and converted to branching rules, where the name of the target becomes the name of the branch. Supported by compilers for iptables, ipf and ipfw Branch: This action is used to create a branch in the rule set. Importer can properly interpret both formats. New function to compare two data files and find conflicting objects has been added. 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Thread-Topic: Regarding multiple subscriptions in the same dialog Thread-Index: Ace5WB+dNesy1gRRRruu8O64P3LiZw== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 07:43:02.0127 (UTC) FILETIME=[F4A7A7F0:01C7B957] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e8a67952aa972b528dd04570d58ad8fe Subject: [Simple] Regarding multiple subscriptions in the same dialog X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0474258956==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0474258956== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B957.F486C14C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B957.F486C14C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 Here is the statement from RFC 3265 =20 A SUBSCRIBE request MAY include an "id" parameter in its "Event" header to allow differentiation between multiple subscriptions in the same dialog. =20 Could you please let me know the practical usecases for this kind of behaviour. =20 Regards Ajay Kasam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B957.F486C14C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 All,
 
 Here is the=20 statement from RFC 3265
    
   A SUBSCRIBE request MAY include an "id" parameter = in its=20 "Event"
   header to allow differentiation between multiple = subscriptions in the
   same = dialog.
 
Could you = please let me=20 know the practical usecases for this kind of = behaviour.
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B957.F486C14C-- --===============0474258956== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============0474258956==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 05:03:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3puB-0003z7-Ts; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:03:11 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3puA-0003xH-Fo for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:03:10 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3puA-0003wB-4M for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:03:10 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com ([203.91.201.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3ptE-0002xo-A6 for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 05:03:10 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50873180A6 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:32:13 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com (blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com [10.201.50.92]) by wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B484180A0 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:32:13 +0530 (IST) Received: from BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com ([10.201.51.211]) by blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:32:23 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:32:42 +0530 Message-ID: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199B8@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: subscription in pending state (202 Accepted) Thread-Index: Ace5Y0DDOHdV27K0Q96l87BVGUtN+g== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 09:02:23.0921 (UTC) FILETIME=[0AE7C210:01C7B963] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: cab78e1e39c4b328567edb48482b6a69 Subject: [Simple] subscription in pending state (202 Accepted) X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1163607126==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1163607126== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B963.15B9555C" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B963.15B9555C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 When client receives a 202 Accepted response for its SUBSCRIBE request, is it recommended that it would refresh this subscription in pending state?? =20 Regards Ajay Kasam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B963.15B9555C Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
 When client=20 receives a 202 Accepted response for its SUBSCRIBE request, is it = recommended=20 that it would refresh this subscription in pending = state??
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B963.15B9555C-- --===============1163607126== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============1163607126==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 06:21:33 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3r7q-0004ul-6z; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:21:22 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3r7o-0004uF-L5 for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:21:20 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3r7o-0004tx-65 for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:21:20 -0400 Received: from [125.21.188.69] (helo=mail.orgltd.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3r7k-0003oO-0J for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:21:20 -0400 Received: from orgvikas (unknown [219.91.223.66]) by mail.orgltd.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE16EDEE70; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:58:16 +0530 (IST) From: "Vikas Tandon" To: Subject: RE: [Simple] subscription in pending state (202 Accepted) Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 15:51:04 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace5Y0DDOHdV27K0Q96l87BVGUtN+gAB7RPA In-Reply-To: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199B8@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> Message-Id: <20070628092816.EE16EDEE70@mail.orgltd.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 32b73d73e8047ed17386f9799119ce43 Cc: X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1417676704==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1417676704== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0098_01C7B99C.22D241F0" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C7B99C.22D241F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ajay, This is a very interesting case. Ideally the SUBSCRIBE request should be refreshed by the Watcher UA otherwise the subscription will expire in say 3600/7200 seconds. regards, Vikas From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:33 PM To: simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] subscription in pending state (202 Accepted) Hi, When client receives a 202 Accepted response for its SUBSCRIBE request, is it recommended that it would refresh this subscription in pending state?? Regards Ajay Kasam ------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C7B99C.22D241F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Ajay,
 
This is a very interesting case. Ideally the = SUBSCRIBE=20 request should be refreshed by the Watcher UA otherwise the subscription = will=20 expire in say 3600/7200 seconds.
 
regards,
Vikas

From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com] =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:33 PM
To:=20 simple@ietf.org
Subject: [Simple] subscription in pending = state (202=20 Accepted)

Hi,
 
 When client=20 receives a 202 Accepted response for its SUBSCRIBE request, is it = recommended=20 that it would refresh this subscription in pending = state??
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
------=_NextPart_000_0098_01C7B99C.22D241F0-- --===============1417676704== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============1417676704==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 06:40:56 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3rQe-0003tl-2U; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:40:48 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3rQd-0003t8-7i for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:40:47 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3rQc-0003t0-Tk for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:40:46 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com ([203.91.201.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3rPr-0002CM-Cd for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:40:46 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C5D1809E for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:10:00 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com (blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com [10.201.50.92]) by wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234CD18056 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:10:00 +0530 (IST) Received: from BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com ([10.201.51.211]) by blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:10:10 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:10:29 +0530 Message-ID: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199BF@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: winfo template package Thread-Index: Ace5cOnLVdn4+96BRUixQGhCfri0tQ== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 10:40:10.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[B3DF73B0:01C7B970] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Subject: [Simple] winfo template package X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1303810434==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1303810434== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B970.BECA5FBB" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B970.BECA5FBB Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 is there any other event package other than 'presence' which uses the "winfo template package"?? =20 Regards Ajay Kasam ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B970.BECA5FBB Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 All,
 
 is there any=20 other event package other than 'presence' which uses the "winfo template = package"??
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B970.BECA5FBB-- --===============1303810434== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============1303810434==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 07:21:17 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3s3l-0007zv-BB; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:21:13 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3s3k-0007w5-HC for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:21:12 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3s3k-0007tm-6i for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:21:12 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com ([203.91.201.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3s3W-0005NO-C8 for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:21:12 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F061805E for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:50:59 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com (blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com [10.201.50.92]) by wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1457418055 for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:50:59 +0530 (IST) Received: from BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com ([10.201.51.211]) by blr-ec-bh02.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:51:09 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:51:27 +0530 Message-ID: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199C4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Binary XML format for Presence Information Thread-Index: Ace5dqMq5llz3dSvQTKvCBclDDNpew== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 11:21:09.0734 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D7A0060:01C7B976] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Scan-Signature: a87a9cdae4ac5d3fbeee75cd0026d632 Subject: [Simple] Binary XML format for Presence Information X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0179543579==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0179543579== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7B976.7832E397" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B976.7832E397 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, =20 Problem: The Presence information for the presentity is too large if represented in XML textual format. For the low bandwidth networks, it would be better if we reduce the network bandwidth requirements for presence information state change exchange. =20 Current solutions: The current solution is uploading presence information to HTTP content server and its HTTP URI is sent to the watcher for the state information. In this case, user got to use another protocol to download the content. Though different mechanism, the network bandwidth requirement is same. This mechanism doesn't solve the actual problem of reducing the bandwidth requirement. =20 Proposed Solution: Coming up with binary format for representing the presence information. Associating each of PIDF XML tag with a binary code and using this mechanism to convey the presence information(state change). =20 This is inspired from "DRM Rights in binary format application/vnd.oma.drm.rights+wbxml (http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release_program/docs/DRM/V1_0-2004062 5-A/OMA-Download-DRMREL-V1_0-20040615-A.pdf)". =20 Regards Ajay Kumar Kasam +919986016520 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B976.7832E397 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi=20 All,
 
  = Problem: The Presence information for the presentity is = too=20 large if represented in XML textual format. For the low bandwidth = networks, it=20 would be better if we reduce the network bandwidth requirements for = presence=20 information state change exchange.
 
 Current solutions: The current=20 solution is uploading presence information to HTTP = content server=20 and its HTTP URI is sent to the watcher for the state information. In = this case,=20 user got to use another protocol to download the content. Though = different=20 mechanism, the network bandwidth requirement is same. This mechanism = doesn't=20 solve the actual problem of reducing the bandwidth=20 requirement.
 
  = Proposed Solution: Coming up with binary = format for=20 representing the presence information. Associating each of PIDF XML = tag=20 with a binary code and using this mechanism to convey the presence=20 information(state change).
 
This = is inspired=20 from "DRM Rights in binary = format application/vnd.oma.drm.rights+wbxml (http://www.openmobilea= lliance.org/release_program/docs/DRM/V1_0-20040625-A/OMA-Download-DRMREL-= V1_0-20040615-A.pdf)".
 
Regards
Ajay = Kumar=20 Kasam
+919986016520
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7B976.7832E397-- --===============0179543579== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============0179543579==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 07:34:43 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sGm-0004Az-W1; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:34:40 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sGl-0004An-KF for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:34:39 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sGl-0004Af-Aq for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:34:39 -0400 Received: from [2001:838:378:0:2a0:d2ff:fe1b:110f] (helo=turner.dave.cridland.net) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sGe-0000aZ-6S for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:34:39 -0400 Received: from peirce.dave.cridland.net ([217.155.137.61]) by turner.dave.cridland.net (submission) via TCP with ESMTPA id for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:34:28 +0100 Subject: Re: [Simple] Binary XML format for Presence Information References: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199C4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> In-Reply-To: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199C4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <13115.1183030468.294927@peirce.dave.cridland.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:34:28 +0100 From: Dave Cridland To: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format="flowed" X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org On Thu Jun 28 12:21:27 2007, ajay.kasam@wipro.com wrote: > Hi All, Is Binary XML better than using a stateful general compression codec over a long-running connection? The latter is, to some degree, provided by using TLS-based compression and HTTP persistent connections, although coverage is devices is low to non-existent. I'd be surprised if use of Binary-tokenized XML outperformed this. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:dave@cridland.net - xmpp:dwd@jabber.org - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 07:44:36 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sQH-0007VY-7C; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:44:29 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sQG-0007VM-4c for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:44:28 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sQF-0007VC-RM for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:44:27 -0400 Received: from [125.21.188.69] (helo=mail.orgltd.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3sQ9-0002Xa-1d for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:44:27 -0400 Received: from orgvikas (unknown [219.91.223.66]) by mail.orgltd.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7B9EDEEA9; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:21:16 +0530 (IST) From: "Vikas Tandon" To: Subject: RE: [Simple] winfo template package Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 17:14:02 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace5cOnLVdn4+96BRUixQGhCfri0tQACDT/A In-Reply-To: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199BF@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> Message-Id: <20070628105116.A7B9EDEEA9@mail.orgltd.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 00e94c813bef7832af255170dca19e36 Cc: X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0288725104==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0288725104== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C7B9A7.BBCD9D40" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C7B9A7.BBCD9D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As far as i understand no, since Winfo is related to Watcher information which directly relates to presence (presence.winfo). Regards, Vikas From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com] Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:10 PM To: simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] winfo template package Hi All, is there any other event package other than 'presence' which uses the "winfo template package"?? Regards Ajay Kasam ------=_NextPart_000_00BD_01C7B9A7.BBCD9D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As far as i understand no, since Winfo is = related to=20 Watcher information which directly relates to presence=20 (presence.winfo).
 
Regards,
Vikas

From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com] =
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:10 PM
To:=20 simple@ietf.org
Subject: [Simple] winfo template=20 package

Hi=20 All,
 
 is there any=20 other event package other than 'presence' which uses the "winfo template = package"??
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
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Do you know this draft?

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/simple/draft-garcia-simple-presence-dictionary-05.txt

 

I think it addresses the same problem you are trying to solve, but using the standard SigComp framework (RFC3320).

 

BR,

G.

 

From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com]
Sent: jueves, 28 de junio de 2007 13:21
To: simple@ietf.org
Subject: [Simple] Binary XML format for Presence Information

 

Hi All,

 

  Problem: The Presence information for the presentity is too large if represented in XML textual format. For the low bandwidth networks, it would be better if we reduce the network bandwidth requirements for presence information state change exchange.

 

 Current solutions: The current solution is uploading presence information to HTTP content server and its HTTP URI is sent to the watcher for the state information. In this case, user got to use another protocol to download the content. Though different mechanism, the network bandwidth requirement is same. This mechanism doesn't solve the actual problem of reducing the bandwidth requirement.

 

  Proposed Solution: Coming up with binary format for representing the presence information. Associating each of PIDF XML tag with a binary code and using this mechanism to convey the presence information(state change).

 

This is inspired from "DRM Rights in binary format application/vnd.oma.drm.rights+wbxml (http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release_program/docs/DRM/V1_0-20040625-A/OMA-Download-DRMREL-V1_0-20040615-A.pdf)".

 

Regards

Ajay Kumar Kasam

+919986016520

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http://timelyytfahionn.com/ ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7B9C9.326A2290-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 09:10:41 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tlf-0000I1-4N; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:39 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tle-0000Ht-E0 for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:38 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tld-0000Hb-Lx for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:37 -0400 Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com ([171.71.176.117]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tlY-0006rM-BI for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:36 -0400 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2007 06:10:31 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,470,1175497200"; d="scan'208"; a="173697217:sNHT45545931" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com (sj-core-5.cisco.com [171.71.177.238]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5SDAVOx008228; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 06:10:31 -0700 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l5SDA1l4005690; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:10:31 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.38]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:07 -0400 Received: from [161.44.174.150] ([161.44.174.150]) by xfe-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:06 -0400 Message-ID: <4683B32D.6030801@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:10:05 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajay.kasam@wipro.com Subject: Re: [Simple] Regarding multiple subscriptions in the same dialog References: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199B4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> In-Reply-To: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199B4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 13:10:06.0978 (UTC) FILETIME=[A5FA4620:01C7B985] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1970; t=1183036231; x=1183900231; c=relaxed/simple; s=sjdkim1004; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pkyzivat@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Kyzivat=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Simple]=20Regarding=20multiple=20subscriptions=20in= 20the=20same=20dialog |Sender:=20; bh=SFP6lLl7ZOtx4CFluR1GjO6FHPFD8yDX63ojgt1Mu78=; b=nTyDZgtmlLNDLuZmMd9eEYOhEklvGA3wJHy4nm6XUZlfawTopGv/Vl0yYNgSJFJe0rpF0Ugo 0YmkZqorfczYhlURwCoxDW4UWQYkXxPdk6B7ictNH+jYSV2PhQezi05uQr2W7RlmHBuWHxGRT5 8+dhmqwuHbQnJrsk9843aGMbg=; Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1; header.From=pkyzivat@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/sjdkim1004 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 Cc: simple@ietf.org X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org ajay.kasam@wipro.com wrote: > Hi All, > > Here is the statement from RFC 3265 > > A SUBSCRIBE request MAY include an "id" parameter in its "Event" > header to allow differentiation between multiple subscriptions in the > same dialog. > > Could you please let me know the practical usecases for this kind of > behaviour. It is fairly obscure, especially since reusing dialogs is being discouraged. However a common case for reusing a dialog is to send a REFER within an INVITE dialog. In that case there is no SUBSCRIBE - the REFER acts as an implicit subscribe request, and the cseq of the REFER acts as the event id. This will manifest itself in the resulting NOTIFY. An actual SUBSCRIBE for this may eventually follow to refresh the initial subscription established by the REFER. And in that case it must contain the event id for the subscription it is refreshing. It is then possible that an initial REFER request is unsuccessful, and the original INVITE remains active in the dialog. And then later there may be *another* attempt to do a REFER. In that case the second REFER would result in a different event id, distinguishing the two subscriptions. Of course in this case its not really very important to distinguish the two subscriptions, because they occur serially rather than in parallel. But the way REFER is designed they are to have different event ids. Another case that might make sense would be with any kind of subscription that allows a filter, such as presence. It would be possible to establish one subscription with one filter, and then later, within the same dialog, establish a different subscription to the same event type but with a different filter or no filter at all. In this case the event id would distinguish the two subscriptions. However this is contrary to the current recommendations to establish such subscriptions using separate dialogs. Paul _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Thu Jun 28 09:15:13 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tq5-0004JR-1a; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:15:13 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tq3-0004JC-3j for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:15:11 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tq2-0004J4-QP for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:15:10 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-2.cisco.com ([64.102.122.149]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3tpM-0007wp-6v for simple@ietf.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:15:10 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2007 09:14:14 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAEJQg0ZAZnme/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,470,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="124765923:sNHT37126118146" Received: from rtp-core-2.cisco.com (rtp-core-2.cisco.com [64.102.124.13]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5SDEEOT000586; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:14:14 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-211.cisco.com [64.102.31.102]) by rtp-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l5SDE5Lj012820; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 13:14:14 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-211.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:14:10 -0400 Received: from [161.44.174.150] ([161.44.174.150]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:14:10 -0400 Message-ID: <4683B420.4010407@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 09:14:08 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajay.kasam@wipro.com Subject: Re: [Simple] Binary XML format for Presence Information References: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199C4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> In-Reply-To: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199C4@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jun 2007 13:14:10.0326 (UTC) FILETIME=[37063B60:01C7B986] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1519; t=1183036454; x=1183900454; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pkyzivat@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Kyzivat=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Simple]=20Binary=20XML=20format=20for=20Presence=20I nformation |Sender:=20 |To:=20ajay.kasam@wipro.com; bh=oHKL8LE0Eg7PsRBNgfTXiz/JlYXofUJExMJKUE2uHe0=; b=r0gOGYRDUmEd2luwqxNcBfMvKSxSoe8bLwkHu2GukAvaA0NcAgg/pu3/0kqrsWXpPXytl0k7 SMIoyNKrKnujH1zI1cR2daQKaeNsYZt8yXnUsqKZ8DdK6byLrJeGi6Tk; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=pkyzivat@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 39bd8f8cbb76cae18b7e23f7cf6b2b9f Cc: simple@ietf.org X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org what is wrong with sigcomp? ajay.kasam@wipro.com wrote: > Hi All, > > *Problem:* The Presence information for the presentity is too large if > represented in XML textual format. For the low bandwidth networks, it > would be better if we reduce the network bandwidth requirements for > presence information state change exchange. > > *Current solutions*: The current solution is uploading presence > information to HTTP content server and its HTTP URI is sent to the > watcher for the state information. In this case, user got to use another > protocol to download the content. Though different mechanism, the > network bandwidth requirement is same. This mechanism doesn't solve the > actual problem of reducing the bandwidth requirement. > > *Proposed Solution*: Coming up with binary format for representing the > presence information. Associating each of PIDF XML tag with a binary > code and using this mechanism to convey the presence information(state > change). > > This is inspired from "DRM Rights in binary > format application/vnd.oma.drm.rights+wbxml > (http://www.openmobilealliance.org/release_program/docs/DRM/V1_0-20040625-A/OMA-Download-DRMREL-V1_0-20040615-A.pdf)". > > Regards > Ajay Kumar Kasam > +919986016520 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Simple mailing list > Simple@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 02:47:31 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4AGO-00070W-2I; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:47:28 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4AGM-00070R-RP for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:47:26 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4AGI-000708-DT for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:47:22 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com ([203.91.201.26]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4AGD-0003Ss-J7 for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 02:47:22 -0400 Received: from wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A1E018080 for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:17:18 +0530 (IST) Received: from blr-ec-bh01.wipro.com (blr-ec-bh01.wipro.com [10.201.50.91]) by wip-cdc-wd.wipro.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F831805B for ; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:17:18 +0530 (IST) Received: from BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com ([10.201.51.211]) by blr-ec-bh01.wipro.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:17:48 +0530 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:17:48 +0530 Message-ID: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199CC@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Subscription pending for authorization and later authorization fails Thread-Index: Ace6GZIu3gmGf2+MQsukwUUTYgUwQA== From: To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2007 06:47:48.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[67FFBAF0:01C7BA19] X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 31247fb3be228bb596db9127becad0bc Subject: [Simple] Subscription pending for authorization and later authorization fails X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2036342047==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============2036342047== Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C7BA19.67D05820" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BA19.67D05820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =20 As per RFC 3856=20 In the case of a pending subscription, when final authorization is determined, a NOTIFY can be sent. If the result of the authorization decision was success, a NOTIFY SHOULD be sent and SHOULD contain a presence document with the current state of the presentity. If the subscription is rejected, a NOTIFY MAY be sent. As described in RFC 3265 [2], the Subscription-State header field indicates the state of the subscription. After receiving 202 for the initial SUBSCRIBE, the Notifier SHOULD send NOTIFY with terminated state with reason as 'rejected'. RFC says 'MAY', in case of authorization rejection how would subscriber know the rejection if no NOTIFY is sent after initial NOTIFY with pending state. =20 Regards Ajay Kasam 9986016520 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BA19.67D05820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
 
  = As per RFC=20 3856
   =20 In the case of a pending subscription, when final authorization=20 is
   determined, a NOTIFY can be sent.  If the result = of the=20 authorization
   decision was success, a NOTIFY SHOULD be = sent and=20 SHOULD contain a
   presence document with the current = state of the=20 presentity.  If the
   subscription is = rejected, a=20 NOTIFY MAY be sent.  As described in RFC
   = 3265 [2],=20 the Subscription-State header field indicates the state = of
   the=20 subscription.
After = receiving 202=20 for the initial SUBSCRIBE, the Notifier SHOULD send NOTIFY with = terminated state=20 with reason as 'rejected'. RFC says 'MAY', in case of authorization = rejection=20 how would subscriber know the rejection if no NOTIFY is sent after = initial=20 NOTIFY with pending state.
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
9986016520
    
------_=_NextPart_001_01C7BA19.67D05820-- --===============2036342047== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============2036342047==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 03:16:52 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Aii-0001G0-U3; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:16:44 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Aih-0001Fm-Tm for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:16:43 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Aih-0001Fe-JR for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:16:43 -0400 Received: from [125.21.188.69] (helo=mail.orgltd.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Aib-0002Mf-3i for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:16:43 -0400 Received: from orgvikas (unknown [219.91.223.66]) by mail.orgltd.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8061DEDD7; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:53:30 +0530 (IST) From: "Vikas Tandon" To: , Subject: RE: [Simple] Subscription pending for authorization and laterauthorization fails Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:46:26 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace6GZIu3gmGf2+MQsukwUUTYgUwQAAA5nsw In-Reply-To: <8E5C3E5BA0F2BB42B968827E1246EFC27199CC@BLR-EC-MBX08.wipro.com> Message-Id: <20070629062330.E8061DEDD7@mail.orgltd.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 37af5f8fbf6f013c5b771388e24b09e7 Cc: X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0197530988==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0197530988== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01C7BA4B.82D3F170" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C7BA4B.82D3F170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is it something to do with Soft REJECT. In this case the subscriber will always get the status as pending. regards, Vikas _____ From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 12:18 PM To: simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] Subscription pending for authorization and laterauthorization fails Hi, As per RFC 3856 In the case of a pending subscription, when final authorization is determined, a NOTIFY can be sent. If the result of the authorization decision was success, a NOTIFY SHOULD be sent and SHOULD contain a presence document with the current state of the presentity. If the subscription is rejected, a NOTIFY MAY be sent. As described in RFC 3265 [2], the Subscription-State header field indicates the state of the subscription. After receiving 202 for the initial SUBSCRIBE, the Notifier SHOULD send NOTIFY with terminated state with reason as 'rejected'. RFC says 'MAY', in case of authorization rejection how would subscriber know the rejection if no NOTIFY is sent after initial NOTIFY with pending state. Regards Ajay Kasam 9986016520 ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C7BA4B.82D3F170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is it something to do with Soft REJECT. In this = case the=20 subscriber will always get the status as pending.
regards,
Vikas

From: ajay.kasam@wipro.com=20 [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com]
Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 = 12:18=20 PM
To: simple@ietf.org
Subject: [Simple] = Subscription=20 pending for authorization and laterauthorization = fails

Hi,
 
  = As per RFC=20 3856
   =20 In the case of a pending subscription, when final authorization=20 is
   determined, a NOTIFY can be sent.  If the result = of the=20 authorization
   decision was success, a NOTIFY SHOULD be = sent and=20 SHOULD contain a
   presence document with the current = state of the=20 presentity.  If the
   subscription is = rejected, a=20 NOTIFY MAY be sent.  As described in RFC
   = 3265 [2],=20 the Subscription-State header field indicates the state = of
   the=20 subscription.
After = receiving 202=20 for the initial SUBSCRIBE, the Notifier SHOULD send NOTIFY with = terminated state=20 with reason as 'rejected'. RFC says 'MAY', in case of authorization = rejection=20 how would subscriber know the rejection if no NOTIFY is sent after = initial=20 NOTIFY with pending state.
 
Regards
Ajay=20 Kasam
9986016520
    
------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C7BA4B.82D3F170-- --===============0197530988== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============0197530988==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 05:10:46 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4CUv-0003bm-KT; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:10:37 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4CUs-0003bc-Tm for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:10:34 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4CUs-0003bU-Ic for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:10:34 -0400 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4CUb-0008Ks-1V for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:10:34 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JKE00JCO43MSG@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:09:22 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.18]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JKE00I7T43MBJ@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:09:22 +0800 (CST) Received: from w67525a ([10.70.108.62]) by szxml03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKE008S643J5K@szxml03-in.huawei.com> for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:09:22 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:09:19 +0800 From: howard wang To: 'Robert Sparks' , 'Hisham Khartabil' Message-id: <000601c7ba2d$2cdffd40$3e6c460a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2962 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: Ace6LSyzJbjY549FT9+Y3m4Ek1Rrjw== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: de4f315c9369b71d7dd5909b42224370 Cc: krisztian.kiss@nokia.com, simple@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] I-D (Updated): Clarification for 'off-line' Status Assigned by Presence Application X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org Hello, I have submitted a new draft to summarize previous discussion on Clarification for 'off-line' Status Assigned by Presence Application. Hope state completely about the leak in specifications of SIMPLE presence. Till it appears on the list, http://sdsunqian.googlepages.com/draft-howard-SIMPLE-offline-status-0.txt Comments are welcome. Best regards Howard Aaron Abstract: 'Offline' status assigned by presence application usually mean that the presence application will expect his watcher thinks he is not online, though he may actually be online. According current specifications of presence service, the watcher may have a way to find out some clues to identify the truth. Such leak of specifications will make confusion in implementations, especially for IOP. _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 05:35:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Csf-0003NJ-Em; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:35:09 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Csd-00037n-03 for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:35:07 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Csc-00031v-FX; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:35:06 -0400 Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com ([61.144.161.54]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4CsX-0007jW-8O; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:35:06 -0400 Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JKE00JMD58VSG@szxga02-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:34:08 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.1.24]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0JKE002PW58TUG@szxga02-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:34:07 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081 ([10.164.5.72]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0JKE00INK58P5Y@szxml04-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:34:05 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:34:01 +0800 From: songyongchao In-reply-to: <20070629062330.E8061DEDD7@mail.orgltd.com> To: simple@ietf.org Message-id: <007801c7ba30$a0d1a980$4805a40a@china.huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-index: Ace6GZIu3gmGf2+MQsukwUUTYgUwQAAA5nswAAMa6lA= X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Scan-Signature: f9c0d585568a86447c98453afdf94aa0 Cc: p2psip@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] Do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P to realize presence and IM services? X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1377550599==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1377550599== Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_LrprPQ1/pARWGeglEUdl5w)" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_LrprPQ1/pARWGeglEUdl5w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Hi! In draft "draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00", Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: >SIMPLE provides for both presence and IM capabilities. Though both of these fit underneath the broad SIMPLE umbrella, they are well separated from each other and are supported by different sets of specifications. >RFC 4662 [4] defines an extension to RFC 3265 that allows a client to subscribe to a list of resources using a single subscription. The server, called a Resource List Server (RLS) will "expand" the subscription and subscribe to each individual member of the list. Its primary usage with presence is to allow subscriptions to "buddy lists". Without RFC 4662, a UA would need to subscribe to each presentity individually. With RFC 4662, they can have a single subscription to all buddies. A user can manage the entries in their buddy list using the provisioning mechanisms in Section 2.4. I come up with the idea that do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P or P2PSIP to realize presence and IM services? If so, how do we equip peers with SIMPLE? And do we need the central servers like RLS as defined in RFC4662 to realize list subscription and notification in P2P? Because list subscription and notification for a buddy list get the user free from frequently sending single SUBSCRIBE and processing of single NOTIFY message. If we don't want to introduce the servers like RLS into P2P, how can we distribute list subscription and notification method in P2P? Because P2P is very different fro C/S, there are a lot of questions to be discussed. --Boundary_(ID_LrprPQ1/pARWGeglEUdl5w) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Hi!

In draft “draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00”, Jonathan Rosenberg wrote:

  

>SIMPLE provides for both presence and IM capabilities.  Though both

   of these fit underneath the broad SIMPLE umbrella, they are well

   separated from each other and are supported by different sets of

   specifications.

 

>RFC 4662 [4] defines an extension

      to RFC 3265 that allows a client to subscribe to a list of

      resources using a single subscription.  The server, called a

      Resource List Server (RLS) will "expand" the subscription and

      subscribe to each individual member of the list.  Its primary

      usage with presence is to allow subscriptions to "buddy lists".

      Without RFC 4662, a UA would need to subscribe to each presentity

      individually.  With RFC 4662, they can have a single subscription

      to all buddies.  A user can manage the entries in their buddy list

      using the provisioning mechanisms in Section 2.4.

 

 

I come up with the idea that do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P or P2PSIP

to realize presence and IM services?

If so, how do we equip peers with SIMPLE?

And do we need the central servers like RLS as defined in RFC4662

 to realize list subscription and notification in P2P?

 Because list subscription and notification for a buddy list get the user free from

 frequently sending single SUBSCRIBE and processing of single NOTIFY message.

If we don’t want to introduce the servers like RLS into P2P, how can we distribute

list subscription and notification method in P2P?

 

Because P2P is very different fro C/S, there are a lot of questions to be discussed.

--Boundary_(ID_LrprPQ1/pARWGeglEUdl5w)-- --===============1377550599== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple --===============1377550599==-- From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 06:23:40 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Dda-00036N-8b; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:23:38 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4DdY-0002w7-RT for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4DdY-0002t7-Db; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from [125.21.188.69] (helo=mail.orgltd.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Dcf-0005Rj-Bm; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from orgvikas (unknown [219.91.223.66]) by mail.orgltd.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9153FDED81; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 14:59:28 +0530 (IST) From: "Vikas Tandon" To: "'songyongchao'" , Subject: RE: [Simple] Do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P to realize presence and IM services? Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 15:52:08 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 Thread-Index: Ace6GZIu3gmGf2+MQsukwUUTYgUwQAAA5nswAAMa6lAAAzzO4A== In-Reply-To: <007801c7ba30$a0d1a980$4805a40a@china.huawei.com> Message-Id: <20070629092928.9153FDED81@mail.orgltd.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 8a7d7b1ff9fdb39b8762b25bc5367e56 Cc: p2psip@ietf.org X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0306009236==" Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0306009236== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C7BA65.7E177C00" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C7BA65.7E177C00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Songyongchao, I'm not sure how well this goes with the SIMPLE concepts. However doing P2P will increase the traffic between the peers since every presence update needs to be sent to every buddy in the buddylist which is heavy on the mobile devices and networks. Also P2P will not help in having other services utilize presence information. Would be interesting to know more from other experts on the list. Regards, Vikas Tandon From: songyongchao [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 3:04 PM To: simple@ietf.org Cc: p2psip@ietf.org Subject: [Simple] Do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P to realize presence and IM services? Hi! In draft "draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00", Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: >SIMPLE provides for both presence and IM capabilities. Though both of these fit underneath the broad SIMPLE umbrella, they are well separated from each other and are supported by different sets of specifications. >RFC 4662 [4] defines an extension to RFC 3265 that allows a client to subscribe to a list of resources using a single subscription. The server, called a Resource List Server (RLS) will "expand" the subscription and subscribe to each individual member of the list. Its primary usage with presence is to allow subscriptions to "buddy lists". Without RFC 4662, a UA would need to subscribe to each presentity individually. With RFC 4662, they can have a single subscription to all buddies. A user can manage the entries in their buddy list using the provisioning mechanisms in Section 2.4. I come up with the idea that do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P or P2PSIP to realize presence and IM services? If so, how do we equip peers with SIMPLE? And do we need the central servers like RLS as defined in RFC4662 to realize list subscription and notification in P2P? Because list subscription and notification for a buddy list get the user free from frequently sending single SUBSCRIBE and processing of single NOTIFY message. If we don't want to introduce the servers like RLS into P2P, how can we distribute list subscription and notification method in P2P? Because P2P is very different fro C/S, there are a lot of questions to be discussed. ------=_NextPart_000_00B4_01C7BA65.7E177C00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Songyongchao,
 
I'm not sure how well this goes with the SIMPLE = concepts.=20 However doing P2P will increase the traffic between the peers since = every=20 presence update needs to be sent to every buddy in the buddylist which = is heavy=20 on the mobile devices and networks. Also P2P will not help in having = other=20 services utilize presence information.
 
Would be interesting to know more from other = experts on the=20 list.
 
Regards,
Vikas = Tandon

 
From: songyongchao [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com] =
Sent:=20 Friday, June 29, 2007 3:04 PM
To: = simple@ietf.org
Cc:=20 p2psip@ietf.org
Subject: [Simple] Do we need to introduce = SIMPLE into=20 P2P to realize presence and IM services?

Hi!

In draft=20 “draft-rosenberg-simple-simple-00”, Jonathan Rosenberg=20 wrote:

  =20

>SIMPLE = provides for=20 both presence and IM capabilities.  Though=20 both

   = of these=20 fit underneath the broad SIMPLE umbrella, they are=20 well

   = separated=20 from each other and are supported by different sets=20 of

  =20 specifications.

 

>RFC 4662 = [4] defines=20 an extension

     =20 to RFC 3265 that allows a client to subscribe to a list=20 of

     =20 resources using a single subscription.  The server, called=20 a

     =20 Resource List Server (RLS) will "expand" the subscription=20 and

     =20 subscribe to each individual member of the list.  Its=20 primary

     =20 usage with presence is to allow subscriptions to "buddy=20 lists".

     =20 Without RFC 4662, a UA would need to subscribe to each=20 presentity

     =20 individually.  With RFC 4662, they can have a single=20 subscription

     =20 to all buddies.  A user can manage the entries in their buddy=20 list

     =20 using the provisioning mechanisms in Section = 2.4.

 

 

I come up with = the idea=20 that do we need to introduce SIMPLE into P2P or=20 P2PSIP

to realize = presence and=20 IM services?

If so, how do = we equip=20 peers with SIMPLE?

And do we need = the=20 central servers like RLS as defined in = RFC4662

 to = realize list=20 subscription and notification in P2P?

 Because = list=20 subscription and notification for a buddy list get the user free=20 from

 frequently sending=20 single SUBSCRIBE and processing of single NOTIFY=20 message.

If we = don’t want to=20 introduce the servers like RLS into P2P, how can we=20 distribute

list = subscription and=20 notification method in P2P?

 

Because P2P is = very=20 different fro C/S, there are a lot of questions to be discussed.=20

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Paul Vikas Tandon wrote: > Is it something to do with Soft REJECT. In this case the subscriber will > always get the status as pending. > regards, > Vikas > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* ajay.kasam@wipro.com [mailto:ajay.kasam@wipro.com] > *Sent:* Friday, June 29, 2007 12:18 PM > *To:* simple@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Simple] Subscription pending for authorization and > laterauthorization fails > > Hi, > > As per RFC 3856 > In the case of a pending subscription, when final authorization is > determined, a NOTIFY can be sent. If the result of the authorization > decision was success, a NOTIFY SHOULD be sent and SHOULD contain a > presence document with the current state of the presentity.* If the > subscription is rejected, a NOTIFY MAY be sent.* As described in RFC > 3265 [2], the Subscription-State header field indicates the state of > the subscription. > After receiving 202 for the initial SUBSCRIBE, the Notifier SHOULD send > NOTIFY with terminated state with reason as 'rejected'. 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From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 10:02:12 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4H34-0000sx-J9; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:02:10 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4H32-0000r8-V9 for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:02:09 -0400 Received: from [10.91.34.44] (helo=ietf-mx.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4H31-0000hF-Qu for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:02:07 -0400 Received: from rtp-iport-1.cisco.com ([64.102.122.148]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4Gxo-0000BS-7A for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:57:37 -0400 Received: from rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com ([64.102.121.158]) by rtp-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jun 2007 09:56:44 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAAKshEZAZnme/2dsb2JhbAA X-IronPort-AV: i="4.16,475,1175486400"; d="scan'208"; a="64003223:sNHT29596380" Received: from rtp-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-core-1.cisco.com [64.102.124.12]) by rtp-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5TDuhKc011142; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:56:43 -0400 Received: from xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com (xbh-rtp-201.cisco.com [64.102.31.12]) by rtp-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id l5TDug6m012550; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:56:42 GMT Received: from xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com ([64.102.31.21]) by xbh-rtp-201.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:56:42 -0400 Received: from [161.44.174.150] ([161.44.174.150]) by xfe-rtp-202.amer.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:56:42 -0400 Message-ID: <46850F9B.8090007@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:56:43 -0400 From: Paul Kyzivat User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Windows/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: howard wang Subject: Re: [Simple] I-D (Updated): Clarification for 'off-line' Status Assigned by Presence Application References: <000601c7ba2d$2cdffd40$3e6c460a@china.huawei.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c7ba2d$2cdffd40$3e6c460a@china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Jun 2007 13:56:42.0150 (UTC) FILETIME=[52716C60:01C7BA55] DKIM-Signature: v=0.5; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; l=1450; t=1183125403; x=1183989403; c=relaxed/simple; s=rtpdkim1001; h=Content-Type:From:Subject:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; d=cisco.com; i=pkyzivat@cisco.com; z=From:=20Paul=20Kyzivat=20 |Subject:=20Re=3A=20[Simple]=20I-D=20(Updated)=3A=20Clarification=20for=2 0'off-line'=20Status=20Assigned=0A=20by=20Presence=20Application |Sender:=20 |To:=20howard=20wang=20; bh=4AFCAaCLWl8g2aK39DA03NCI024JaTAEGrIyrYbYKeI=; b=JPOi1QQek0M/BbgHttG+MSxJCGsAbFwODW9Vp4SEaAnI50ib/biK8+TA4zgVbhalfD6O6M0p ngvxkt7krda1NcPuqbAmKYjPTDGE7ZxSAvwnd/N9eHzaVwW+MtMFyh0B; Authentication-Results: rtp-dkim-1; header.From=pkyzivat@cisco.com; dkim=pass ( sig from cisco.com/rtpdkim1001 verified; ); X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e1e48a527f609d1be2bc8d8a70eb76cb Cc: 'Robert Sparks' , krisztian.kiss@nokia.com, simple@ietf.org X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org I'm having a little difficulty understanding this draft. I have a few basic questions that might help: - What is a "Fetcher"? - What is "IOP" - Are you assuming a situation where the "buddies" and the UAs are cooperative, or where they are not? (By this I mean - will a watcher try to infer a buddy is online even when it is clear that the buddy doesn't *want* the watcher to draw that conclusion?) Thanks, Paul howard wang wrote: > Hello, > > I have submitted a new draft to summarize previous discussion on Clarification for 'off-line' Status Assigned by Presence Application. Hope state completely about the leak in specifications of SIMPLE presence. > > Till it appears on the list, http://sdsunqian.googlepages.com/draft-howard-SIMPLE-offline-status-0.txt > > Comments are welcome. > > > Best regards > Howard > Aaron > > Abstract: > 'Offline' status assigned by presence application usually mean that the presence application will expect his watcher thinks he is not online, though he may actually be online. According current specifications of presence service, the watcher may have a way to find out some clues to identify the truth. Such leak of specifications will make confusion in implementations, especially for IOP. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Simple mailing list > Simple@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple > _______________________________________________ Simple mailing list Simple@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/simple From simple-bounces@ietf.org Fri Jun 29 11:12:34 2007 Return-path: Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=stiedprmman1.va.neustar.com) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4I99-0007jg-QX; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:12:31 -0400 Received: from simple by megatron.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1I4I98-0007i1-Pc for simple-confirm+ok@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from [10.90.34.44] (helo=chiedprmail1.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4I98-0007fY-Dq for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from usagi.ingate.se ([193.180.23.12]) by chiedprmail1.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I4I95-0001Ix-6W for simple@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 11:12:30 -0400 Received: from eeek.ingate.se (eeek.ingate.se [193.180.23.45]) by usagi.ingate.se (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5TFB727028362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:11:07 +0200 Received: from eeek.ingate.se (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by eeek.ingate.se (8.13.1/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l5TFB224018656; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:11:02 +0200 Received: (from hasse@localhost) by eeek.ingate.se (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id l5TFAmOY018652; Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:10:48 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: eeek.ingate.se: hasse set sender to hasse@ingate.com using -f From: Hans Persson To: simple@ietf.org, fluffy@cisco.com, rohan@ekabal.com, adam@estacado.net Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ingate Systems Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:10:47 +0200 Message-Id: <1183129848.3601.106.camel@eeek.ingate.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-35.0.2.el4) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.90.3, clamav-milter version 0.90.3 on usagi.ingate.se X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-1.6 (usagi.ingate.se [193.180.23.12]); Fri, 29 Jun 2007 17:11:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 2ed806e2f53ff1a061ad4f97e00345ac Cc: Subject: [Simple] Comments and nits on draft-ietf-simple-msrp-relays-10.txt X-BeenThere: simple@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP for Instant Messaging and Presence Leveraging Extensions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: simple-bounces@ietf.org I just did a long-overdue rereading of the msrp-relays draft. Here are some comments and nits for your enjoyment. === Comments === Section 5.1, para 2: This talks about discovery and should give a reference to section 8. I'm having trouble figuring out how I would manage to find a relay that isn't "my own". The time when I'm most likely to want to automatically discover the relay I need is when I'm in someone else's network (visiting another company, at a hotel, in a hotspot, etc). Assume this setup: me ----- company X relay ----- internet ----- my home relay How can the discovery process help me find company X's relay? Let's assume that they are a security-conscious company that only allows known traffic out through designated proxies, so ICE won't help me. Section 7: > quoted-string = QUOTE *( %x20-21 / %x23-7E ) QUOTE Designed by Americans, apparently. Is this really enough? There could be international characters in domain names (realms), for instance. Section 9.4, first para: > A client can use unprotected TCP for peer-to-peer MSRP, but any time > a client communicates with a relay, it MUST use TLS. The last bit is not true. See the note at the end of 9.2. === Editorial nits === In general: RFC references are sometimes written "RFC-XXXX", sometimes "RFC XXXX" and sometimes "RFCXXXX". Decide on one alternative. Section 3, the para split over pages 6 and 7: A number of occurences of "Failure-Report" should be "Failure-Report header". Section 3, para just before ladder diagram (which doesn't have a "Figure X" legend, BTW): > The following example show a typical MSRP session. "shows" Section 3, second para before second ladder diagram (also lacking legend): > (Receivers still need to be prepared to receive out-of-order > chunks however.) Insert comma after "chunks". Section 3.1, para 3: > A typical challenge response flow is shown below: "challenge-reponse" Section 6.1: This starts out by describing how to accept a TLS connection, but then halfway through we may suddenly have a TCP connection. I know that's valid, but the language is confusing. Section 6.4.1, para 2: > If there is a problem further processing the SEND request, or in the Move "further" further ahead, to after "request". Section 6.4.1, para 2: > hop. If after 32 seconds, the next hop has not sent any response, Insert comma after "If". Section 6.4.1, para 2: > If after 32 seconds, the next hop has not sent any response, > then the relay MUST construct a REPORT with a status code of 408 to > indicate a timeout error happened sending the message, and send the > REPORT to the original sender of the message. This means, presumably, addressing the REPORT to the original sender but sending it to the last hop. Section 6.4.3, para 2: > If the response is a non 200 response, and the original request was a "non-200" Section 8, first para: > (The only message in this specification that can have an MSRP URL > without an explicit port number is in the To-Path header in an AUTH > request.) Change "message" to "header" and change "is in" to "is". Section 8, para 3: > defined, since AUTH are only sent over TLS.) If no SRV records are Insert "requests" after "AUTH". Section 11, second SDP: All other examples with folded lines have a note about that line folding isn't really part of MSRP, but only for readability, but that's missing here. 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