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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the SIP Overload Control Working Group of=
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	Title           : Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Rate Control
	Author(s)       : Eric Noel
                          Philip M Williams
	Filename        : draft-ietf-soc-overload-rate-control-02.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2012-06-01

   The prevalent use of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) [RFC3261] in
   Next Generation Networks necessitates that SIP networks provide
   adequate control mechanisms to maintain transaction throughput by
   preventing congestion collapse during traffic overloads. Already
   [draft-ietf-soc-overload-control-08] proposes a loss-based solution
   to remedy known vulnerabilities of the [RFC3261] SIP 503 (service
   unavailable) overload control mechanism. This document proposes a
   rate-based control solution to complement the loss-based control
   defined in [draft-ietf-soc-overload-control-08].


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Folks,

Please make a note a new version for draft-ietf-soc-overload-rate-control-0=
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This new version addresses comments posted by Volker Hilt and Janet Gunn:
- Clarification on the Leaky bucket parameters TAU
- Pseudo-code
- Edits and clarifications throughout the document

We welcome your comments and/or suggestions!

Thanks,

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	Title           : Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) Rate Control
	Author(s)       : Eric Noel
                          Philip M Williams
	Filename        : draft-ietf-soc-overload-rate-control-02.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2012-06-01

   The prevalent use of Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) [RFC3261] in
   Next Generation Networks necessitates that SIP networks provide
   adequate control mechanisms to maintain transaction throughput by
   preventing congestion collapse during traffic overloads. Already
   [draft-ietf-soc-overload-control-08] proposes a loss-based solution
   to remedy known vulnerabilities of the [RFC3261] SIP 503 (service
   unavailable) overload control mechanism. This document proposes a
   rate-based control solution to complement the loss-based control
   defined in [draft-ietf-soc-overload-control-08].


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Vijay,

Sorry for the delay reply. My comments are as follows:

In Sec 9.1.2 (SIP Event package) of draft-ietf-soc-overload-control-08:

Bullet 2:  "However, these notifications do generate additional traffic, wh=
ich adds to the overall load."

In case of "oc" parameter, "oc" parameter is passed across in each message =
whereas NOTITY is one per device and number of NOTIFY depends upon the upst=
ream server. As each server is capable of handling at least few thousand of=
 messages at the time and only few upstream servers compare to number of me=
ssages. The number of bytes consumed by "oc" parameter per server in terms =
of traffic is higher than NOTIFY message in general.

Bullet 3: "However, this would require additional protection to avoid the a=
valanche restart problem for overload control."

This subscription will not cause avalanche restart normally as subscription=
 is done per server whereas the servers are capable of handling register av=
alanche which occurs per user.

Bullet 4: "A receiver needs to send NOTIFY messages to all subscribed
      upstream neighbors in a timely manner when the control algorithm
      requires a change in the control variable "

Comment is same as bullet 2.

Bullet 5: "As overload feedback is sent to all senders in separate messages=
,
      this mechanism is not suitable when frequent overload control
      feedback is needed."

In case frequent overload control is required then the algorithm for overlo=
ad control really does not work well and oscillation kind of behavior is ob=
served. Even if those scenarios occurs, the main argument is that number of=
 "oc" parameter bytes in the message to the NOTIFY message to the few set o=
f servers. IMO, it is purely deployment and most of the deployment, NOTIFY =
will have advantages as number of upstream server to the corresponding mess=
age is low.

Thanks
Partha

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Vijay K. Gurbani [mailto:vkg@bell-labs.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 2:50 AM
>To: Ravindran, Parthasarathi
>Cc: Volker Hilt; sip-overload@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [sip-overload] draft minutes IETF83
>
>On 04/23/2012 08:24 PM, Ravindran, Parthasarathi wrote:
>> Vijay/Volker,
>>
>> I'm reading this mail after replied to your initial proposal as this
>> mail is not in my "To me" folder :-)
>>
>> I have difference of opinion about the content of sub/not in Sec 9 as
>> it is not fully analyzed after deep-dive into "OC" parameters in "via"
>> header based mechanism. My opinion comes from the Session Initiation
>> Protocol (SIP) Resource availability Event package draft
>> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-partha-soc-overload-resource-
>availability-00).
>> I personally feel that it is not worthy to discuss about SUB/NOT
>> mechanism's merits/demerits within this draft at this moment. In case
>> you wish to discuss, I'll continue the merit/demerit as part of this
>> mail thread.
>
>Initially, I was of the opinion that removing S9 may be the expedient
>way forward, as my earlier email [1] indicated.  However, Volker has
>made a case that we should maintain S9 as background information to
>demonstrate the discussions that lead to the choice of the current
>solution.
>
>Having been through a rather brutal IESG review of sipclf where similar
>justification was asked for, I am sympathetic to providing background
>information precisely for the purpose of completeness.
>
>I gather that you would rather see S9 excised completely.
>
>We have to converge at a middle point somewhere.
>
>If you are not comfortable with the suggested text of [2], then can I
>kindly ask you to read S9.1.2 and send me some suggested text that gets
>your point across?  I will be more than happy to put that into the draft
>and move forward.
>
>Please send me the text at your earliest convenience (or post on the
>list) and we can iterate through it to include it in the next revision.
>
>[1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sip-
>overload/current/msg00773.html
>[2] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/sip-
>overload/current/msg00778.html
>
>Thanks,
>
>- vijay
>--
>Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent
>1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60563 (USA)
>Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurbani@alcatel-lucent.com
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Hi,

I want let you know that Volker and I as chair have
asked a slot for Sip Overload Control wg during the upcoming
IETF meeting in Vancouver.

I have seen really low energy in the group since the March meeting in Paris,
with just few mail about draft-ietf-soc-overload-rate-control.
By the way that draft is now been updated to 02, but nobody has yet 
commented the new version.

I want to take the chance to ask wg contributors as well as all the 
authors of the wg documents
to become more active and do a last effort to finalize the drafts and so 
successfully finalize the SoC wg.


thanks a lot

best regards
Salvatore

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Salvatore Loreto, PhD
www.sloreto.com


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Hi


based on the preliminary agenda
the SIP Overload Control wg is scheduled for

Tuesday July 31,
Morning Session I   0900-1020
Room Name: Georgia A

cheers
Salvatore

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      based on the preliminary agenda <br>
      the SIP Overload Control wg is scheduled for<br>
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      cheers<br>
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