From jari.arkko@piuha.net Wed Dec 22 07:18:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C112F3A6A17 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:18:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cZObigwNK813 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:18:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54EA3A68C2 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 07:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64422CC3A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:20:39 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zb7v98QhRUaA; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:20:37 +0200 (EET) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9EAB2CC31; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:20:37 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:20:37 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF SmartPower Directorate Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Hannes Tschofenig Subject: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:18:44 -0000 Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about organizing a workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? ---- Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking Background Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these applications do not require users to be present at the time of service execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial differences in performance between the various end devices, but in general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to be of higher performance. As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices to the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of Things" is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these devices are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will be a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and communications bandwidth between different types of devices. Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium between all applications and enabling rich communications services. Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that help optimize the communications and lower the computational requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and Lossy networks (roll)" working groups. This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by developers of Internet technology, when considering the characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many design considerations need to be taken into account when developing protocols and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of computing performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken when designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the area of integration in the following categories: * scalability * power usage * interworking between different technologies and network domains * usability and manageability * security "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, further need for research, or implementation and configuration best current practices. Workshop Style The workshop’s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to keep the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit a position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active participation will be expected. The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may ask submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that’s identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the problem or some means of approaching it. Important Dates Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the program organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by February, 25th. This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on Sunday, 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF CORE, ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. Position Papers Requirements Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not required to be original in content. We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, PDF, or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted position papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, and a workshop report). Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. Venue The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March 25th, in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will be served. There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be gladly appreciated. Workshop Organizers We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari Arkko (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler (ROLL WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), Alexey Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre (Applications Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). More detailed information about the workshop is available at: http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. From geoff.ietf@mulligan.com Wed Dec 22 08:05:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61CE03A6ACA for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:05:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KgS88U0iHIB7 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from server2.coslabs.com (server2.coslabs.com [64.111.18.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13DDF3A6A4B for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:05:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from grab (mail.coslabs.com [199.233.92.34]) by server2.coslabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85CA71808A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:07:53 -0700 (MST) Received: from [199.233.92.6] (unknown [199.233.92.6]) by grab (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B4C67FEB0; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:07:50 -0700 (MST) From: Geoff Mulligan To: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:07:50 -0700 Message-ID: <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:05:54 -0000 Jari, Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday and in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely that I will be able to attend. Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. geoff On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about organizing a > workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad > idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? > > ---- > > Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking > > Background > > Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, > such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these > applications do not require users to be present at the time of service > execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial > differences in performance between the various end devices, but in > general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to be > of higher performance. > > As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices to > the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of Things" > is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the > communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these devices > are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone > components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will be > a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and > communications bandwidth between different types of devices. > > Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for > our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected > in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use > of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium > between all applications and enabling rich communications services. > > Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet > protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems > often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, > constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that > help optimize the communications and lower the computational > requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these > environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", > IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and Lossy > networks (roll)" working groups. > > This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by > developers of Internet technology, when considering the > characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many design > considerations need to be taken into account when developing protocols > and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of computing > performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often > difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: > Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see > http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf > > This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken when > designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To > frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the area > of integration in the following categories: > > * scalability > * power usage > * interworking between different technologies and network domains > * usability and manageability > * security > > "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the > workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in > having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to > guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, further > need for research, or implementation and configuration best current > practices. > > Workshop Style > > The workshop’s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to keep > the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit a > position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted > position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active > participation will be expected. > > The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions > punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background > information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a > deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may ask > submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and > experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two > invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that’s > identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the > problem or some means of approaching it. > > Important Dates > > Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. > > Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the program > organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of > the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by > February, 25th. > > This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, > right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on Sunday, > 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the > participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These > tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF CORE, > ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. > > Position Papers Requirements > > Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their > work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome > visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint > devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and > lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating > these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not > required to be original in content. > > We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, PDF, > or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most > important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted position > papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, and > a workshop report). > > Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. > > Venue > > The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March 25th, > in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the > invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will > be served. > > There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions > will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be > gladly appreciated. > > > Workshop Organizers > > We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari Arkko > (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba > (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler (ROLL > WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF > Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area > Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms > (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), Alexey > Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre (Applications > Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol > author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). > > More detailed information about the workshop is available at: > http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ > > Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. > > > From fred@cisco.com Wed Dec 22 08:33:03 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B3183A6B22 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:33:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -111.426 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-111.426 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.173, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UdJGdckGfwfC for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:33:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2C233A6B08 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:33:01 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAPu3EU2rR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACkFnOoGptFgwSCRQSEZoUqdIMd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,214,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="236598459" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2010 16:34:53 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com [10.32.244.221]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oBMGYmQM011912; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:34:52 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:53 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:53 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:34:39 -0800 Message-Id: References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> To: Geoff Mulligan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:33:03 -0000 I have heard a rumor that such a workshop is being discussed, but I have = no idea what mailing list it's on. Clue please? I'd like to attend. For myself, the difference of a day is "just a day". Prior to the = Maastricht IETF, NIST/SGIP PAP #1 held a workshop on the Thursday, in = Detroit, and I had to attend. If this is on the Friday, so much the = better. My first choice would be to travel to Prague and be where I am = going rather than traveling to one city and then traveling again to = Prague. But I could be argued into coming to Helsinki or such, as long = as I can get there by air coming from the US. On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:07 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > Jari, > Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on > Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday = and > in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely that = I > will be able to attend. >=20 > Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. >=20 > geoff >=20 > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about organizing = a=20 >> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad=20= >> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? >>=20 >> ---- >>=20 >> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking >>=20 >> Background >>=20 >> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, >> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these >> applications do not require users to be present at the time of = service >> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial >> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in >> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to = be >> of higher performance. >>=20 >> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices = to >> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of Things" >> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the >> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these devices >> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone >> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will be >> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and >> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. >>=20 >> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for >> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected >> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use >> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium >> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. >>=20 >> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet >> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems >> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, >> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that >> help optimize the communications and lower the computational >> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these >> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", >> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and Lossy >> networks (roll)" working groups. >>=20 >> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by >> developers of Internet technology, when considering the >> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many = design >> considerations need to be taken into account when developing = protocols >> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of = computing >> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often >> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: >> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see >> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf >>=20 >> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken = when >> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To >> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the area >> of integration in the following categories: >>=20 >> * scalability >> * power usage >> * interworking between different technologies and network domains >> * usability and manageability >> * security >>=20 >> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the >> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in >> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to >> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, further >> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current >> practices. >>=20 >> Workshop Style >>=20 >> The workshop=92s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to = keep >> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit a >> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted >> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active >> participation will be expected. >>=20 >> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions >> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background >> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a >> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may ask >> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and >> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two >> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that=92s >> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the >> problem or some means of approaching it. >>=20 >> Important Dates >>=20 >> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. >>=20 >> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the program >> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of >> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by >> February, 25th. >>=20 >> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, >> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on Sunday, >> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the >> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These >> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF = CORE, >> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. >>=20 >> Position Papers Requirements >>=20 >> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their >> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome >> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint >> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and >> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating >> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not >> required to be original in content. >>=20 >> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, PDF, >> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most >> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted position >> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, and >> a workshop report). >>=20 >> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>=20 >> Venue >>=20 >> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March 25th, >> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the >> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will >> be served. >>=20 >> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions >> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be >> gladly appreciated. >>=20 >>=20 >> Workshop Organizers >>=20 >> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari Arkko >> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba >> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler = (ROLL >> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF >> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area >> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms >> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), = Alexey >> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre = (Applications >> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol >> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). >>=20 >> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: >> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ >>=20 >> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net Wed Dec 22 08:21:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30DBC3A6A4B for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:21:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eSgDWDuAf883 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:21:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.22]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7A9383A69F7 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 08:21:44 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Dec 2010 16:23:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (EHLO [192.168.137.75]) [213.162.68.103] by mail.gmx.net (mp068) with SMTP; 22 Dec 2010 17:23:40 +0100 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+lIKsZW96lDDHTMeSEbuy+Kot1wa6KXNf4sDLf5T roXFtULsWD03Xj Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Hannes Tschofenig In-Reply-To: <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 18:23:31 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> To: Geoff Mulligan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:20:21 -0800 Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 16:21:48 -0000 Hi Geoff,=20 the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on = Saturday.=20 Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not = attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any = ability to optimize.=20 Ciao Hannes On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > Jari, > Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on > Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday = and > in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely that = I > will be able to attend. >=20 > Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. >=20 > geoff >=20 > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about organizing = a=20 >> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad=20= >> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? >>=20 >> ---- >>=20 >> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking >>=20 >> Background >>=20 >> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, >> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these >> applications do not require users to be present at the time of = service >> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial >> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in >> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to = be >> of higher performance. >>=20 >> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices = to >> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of Things" >> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the >> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these devices >> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone >> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will be >> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and >> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. >>=20 >> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for >> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected >> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use >> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium >> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. >>=20 >> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet >> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems >> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, >> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that >> help optimize the communications and lower the computational >> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these >> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", >> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and Lossy >> networks (roll)" working groups. >>=20 >> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by >> developers of Internet technology, when considering the >> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many = design >> considerations need to be taken into account when developing = protocols >> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of = computing >> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often >> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: >> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see >> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf >>=20 >> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken = when >> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To >> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the area >> of integration in the following categories: >>=20 >> * scalability >> * power usage >> * interworking between different technologies and network domains >> * usability and manageability >> * security >>=20 >> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the >> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in >> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to >> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, further >> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current >> practices. >>=20 >> Workshop Style >>=20 >> The workshop=92s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to = keep >> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit a >> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted >> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active >> participation will be expected. >>=20 >> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions >> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background >> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a >> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may ask >> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and >> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two >> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that=92s >> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the >> problem or some means of approaching it. >>=20 >> Important Dates >>=20 >> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. >>=20 >> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the program >> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of >> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by >> February, 25th. >>=20 >> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, >> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on Sunday, >> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the >> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These >> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF = CORE, >> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. >>=20 >> Position Papers Requirements >>=20 >> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their >> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome >> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint >> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and >> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating >> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not >> required to be original in content. >>=20 >> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, PDF, >> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most >> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted position >> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, and >> a workshop report). >>=20 >> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>=20 >> Venue >>=20 >> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March 25th, >> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the >> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will >> be served. >>=20 >> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions >> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be >> gladly appreciated. >>=20 >>=20 >> Workshop Organizers >>=20 >> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari Arkko >> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba >> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler = (ROLL >> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF >> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area >> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms >> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), = Alexey >> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre = (Applications >> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol >> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). >>=20 >> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: >> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ >>=20 >> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From jari.arkko@piuha.net Wed Dec 22 11:43:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F8C3A6A48 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:43:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5HrhYReW6md6 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3243A6A06 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 11:43:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92C4D2CC3A; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:45:49 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6K1cCXF0nVbb; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:45:48 +0200 (EET) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B50E22CC31; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:45:48 +0200 (EET) Message-ID: <4D12556C.2030903@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:45:48 +0200 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fred Baker References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:43:52 -0000 Fred: we are just setting this up (the call for papers that I distributed was written on Monday) so that's why you haven't heard too much from it before. The call is a draft, and the links on it do not yet work. And the IAB has not given us a blessing yet. The idea was to hold this in Prague, not on some other place just to make it more likely that people can make it. I'm sympathetic to extending people's week away from home, and I realize that for some people they might have to arrive Thursday instead of Sunday, so there is a difference. On the other hand many of us are busy on Sunday, some even on Saturday, and some people might prefer to meet only on weekdays. Anyway. That is details at this stage. I'm sure we can work it out. The big question is, do we think this would be (a) useful and (b) there'd be enough clueful participation to make it worthwhile? Jari From fred@cisco.com Wed Dec 22 12:11:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799673A6A56 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:11:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.160, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5hmUnIxJmmOM for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9123A6AB2 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:11:19 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEANbqEU2rR7Ht/2dsb2JhbACkIHOoEptGhUkEhGaGHoMd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,214,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="640077141" Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com ([171.71.177.237]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2010 20:13:18 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com [10.32.244.221]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oBMKDEDt013802; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:13:18 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:13:18 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:13:18 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <4D12556C.2030903@piuha.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:13:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1D25E970-D7D1-4F97-AFA2-DDDAE8FBD1BE@cisco.com> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <4D12556C.2030903@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:11:30 -0000 On Dec 22, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Anyway. That is details at this stage. I'm sure we can work it out. = The big question is, do we think this would be (a) useful and (b) = there'd be enough clueful participation to make it worthwhile? If you hold it, I'll come. If that's enough clue for you, you have your = answer :-) What mailing list?= From fred@cisco.com Wed Dec 22 13:21:26 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 008DD3A6B84 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:21:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -111.441 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-111.441 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.158, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eT8M3Hs--4QC for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:21:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com (sj-iport-4.cisco.com [171.68.10.86]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 619203A6B83 for ; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:21:22 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-4.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAIv6EU2rR7H+/2dsb2JhbACkIXOoD5s/gwSCRQSEZoUqdIMd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,215,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="236733143" Received: from sj-core-2.cisco.com ([171.71.177.254]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Dec 2010 21:23:21 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com [10.32.244.221]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oBMLNFqK014519; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:23:20 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:23:20 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-221.cisco.com on Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:23:20 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:23:05 -0800 Message-Id: <5040077C-84A7-4A2F-83FB-575D360A13FB@cisco.com> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> To: Hannes Tschofenig X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 21:21:26 -0000 I'll suggest making sure Lixia can attend. She has some relevant ideas. On Dec 22, 2010, at 8:23 AM, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Hi Geoff,=20 >=20 > the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on = Saturday.=20 >=20 > Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not = attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any = ability to optimize.=20 >=20 > Ciao > Hannes >=20 > On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: >=20 >> Jari, >> Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on >> Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday = and >> in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely that = I >> will be able to attend. >>=20 >> Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. >>=20 >> geoff >>=20 >> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >>> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about = organizing a=20 >>> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad=20= >>> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? >>>=20 >>> ---- >>>=20 >>> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking >>>=20 >>> Background >>>=20 >>> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, >>> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these >>> applications do not require users to be present at the time of = service >>> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial >>> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in >>> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to = be >>> of higher performance. >>>=20 >>> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices = to >>> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of = Things" >>> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the >>> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these = devices >>> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone >>> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will = be >>> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and >>> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. >>>=20 >>> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for >>> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected >>> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use >>> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium >>> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. >>>=20 >>> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet >>> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems >>> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, >>> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that >>> help optimize the communications and lower the computational >>> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these >>> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", >>> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and = Lossy >>> networks (roll)" working groups. >>>=20 >>> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by >>> developers of Internet technology, when considering the >>> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many = design >>> considerations need to be taken into account when developing = protocols >>> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of = computing >>> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often >>> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: >>> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see >>> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf >>>=20 >>> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken = when >>> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To >>> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the = area >>> of integration in the following categories: >>>=20 >>> * scalability >>> * power usage >>> * interworking between different technologies and network domains >>> * usability and manageability >>> * security >>>=20 >>> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the >>> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in >>> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to >>> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, = further >>> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current >>> practices. >>>=20 >>> Workshop Style >>>=20 >>> The workshop=92s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to = keep >>> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit = a >>> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted >>> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active >>> participation will be expected. >>>=20 >>> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions >>> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background >>> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a >>> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may = ask >>> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and >>> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two >>> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that=92s= >>> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the >>> problem or some means of approaching it. >>>=20 >>> Important Dates >>>=20 >>> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. >>>=20 >>> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the = program >>> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of >>> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by >>> February, 25th. >>>=20 >>> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, >>> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on = Sunday, >>> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the >>> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These >>> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF = CORE, >>> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. >>>=20 >>> Position Papers Requirements >>>=20 >>> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their >>> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome >>> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint >>> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and >>> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating >>> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not >>> required to be original in content. >>>=20 >>> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, = PDF, >>> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most >>> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted = position >>> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, = and >>> a workshop report). >>>=20 >>> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>=20 >>> Venue >>>=20 >>> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March = 25th, >>> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the >>> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will >>> be served. >>>=20 >>> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions >>> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be >>> gladly appreciated. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Workshop Organizers >>>=20 >>> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari = Arkko >>> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba >>> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler = (ROLL >>> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF >>> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area >>> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms >>> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), = Alexey >>> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre = (Applications >>> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol >>> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). >>>=20 >>> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: >>> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ >>>=20 >>> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From geoff.ietf@mulligan.com Fri Dec 24 09:02:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 138E63A6816 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:02:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.500, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2EhagknDxTs6 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from server2.coslabs.com (server2.coslabs.com [64.111.18.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB9C63A680B for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:02:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from grab (mail.coslabs.com [199.233.92.34]) by server2.coslabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1861835B; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:04:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [199.233.92.6] (unknown [199.233.92.6]) by grab (Postfix) with ESMTP id 305ED7FDB5; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:04:35 -0700 (MST) From: Geoff Mulligan To: Hannes Tschofenig In-Reply-To: <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:04:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1293210274.1917.5.camel@d430> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:02:34 -0000 Why not put the tutorials on Friday and the workshop on Saturday. That way folks will be educated at the tutorials before the workshop rather than after. geoff On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:23 +0200, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on Saturday. > > Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any ability to optimize. > > Ciao > Hannes > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > > > Jari, > > Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on > > Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday and > > in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely that I > > will be able to attend. > > > > Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. > > > > geoff > > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > >> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about organizing a > >> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad > >> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking > >> > >> Background > >> > >> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, > >> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these > >> applications do not require users to be present at the time of service > >> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial > >> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in > >> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to be > >> of higher performance. > >> > >> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices to > >> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of Things" > >> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the > >> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these devices > >> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone > >> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will be > >> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and > >> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. > >> > >> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for > >> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected > >> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use > >> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium > >> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. > >> > >> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet > >> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems > >> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, > >> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that > >> help optimize the communications and lower the computational > >> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these > >> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", > >> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and Lossy > >> networks (roll)" working groups. > >> > >> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by > >> developers of Internet technology, when considering the > >> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many design > >> considerations need to be taken into account when developing protocols > >> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of computing > >> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often > >> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: > >> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see > >> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf > >> > >> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken when > >> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To > >> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the area > >> of integration in the following categories: > >> > >> * scalability > >> * power usage > >> * interworking between different technologies and network domains > >> * usability and manageability > >> * security > >> > >> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the > >> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in > >> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to > >> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, further > >> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current > >> practices. > >> > >> Workshop Style > >> > >> The workshop’s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to keep > >> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit a > >> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted > >> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active > >> participation will be expected. > >> > >> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions > >> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background > >> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a > >> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may ask > >> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and > >> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two > >> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that’s > >> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the > >> problem or some means of approaching it. > >> > >> Important Dates > >> > >> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. > >> > >> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the program > >> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of > >> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by > >> February, 25th. > >> > >> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, > >> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on Sunday, > >> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the > >> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These > >> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF CORE, > >> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. > >> > >> Position Papers Requirements > >> > >> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their > >> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome > >> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint > >> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and > >> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating > >> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not > >> required to be original in content. > >> > >> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, PDF, > >> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most > >> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted position > >> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, and > >> a workshop report). > >> > >> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. > >> > >> Venue > >> > >> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March 25th, > >> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the > >> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will > >> be served. > >> > >> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions > >> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be > >> gladly appreciated. > >> > >> > >> Workshop Organizers > >> > >> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari Arkko > >> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba > >> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler (ROLL > >> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF > >> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area > >> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms > >> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), Alexey > >> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre (Applications > >> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol > >> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). > >> > >> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: > >> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ > >> > >> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From fred@cisco.com Fri Dec 24 10:08:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE74C3A6826 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:08:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -111.452 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-111.452 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.147, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a5k19fGXf8lC for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:08:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-6.cisco.com (sj-iport-6.cisco.com [171.71.176.117]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740123A680D for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:08:45 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: sj-iport-6.cisco.com; dkim=neutral (message not signed) header.i=none X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsEAK9wFE2rR7Hu/2dsb2JhbACkLnOkR5sjgwWCRQSEZYUrdIMd X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,224,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="641052923" Received: from sj-core-5.cisco.com ([171.71.177.238]) by sj-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 24 Dec 2010 18:10:47 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com [10.32.244.218]) by sj-core-5.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id oBOI9aJI013057; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:10:47 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:10:47 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-218.cisco.com on Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:10:47 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <1293210274.1917.5.camel@d430> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:10:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1FBACA77-7D73-4C24-B776-059E2ECCA1B2@cisco.com> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> <1293210274.1917.5.camel@d430> To: Geoff Mulligan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:08:46 -0000 On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > Why not put the tutorials on Friday and the workshop on Saturday. = That > way folks will be educated at the tutorials before the workshop rather > than after. Because the IESG meets on Saturday? > geoff >=20 > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:23 +0200, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >> Hi Geoff,=20 >>=20 >> the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on = Saturday.=20 >>=20 >> Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not = attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any = ability to optimize.=20 >>=20 >> Ciao >> Hannes >>=20 >> On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: >>=20 >>> Jari, >>> Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on >>> Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday = and >>> in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely = that I >>> will be able to attend. >>>=20 >>> Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. >>>=20 >>> geoff >>>=20 >>> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >>>> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about = organizing a=20 >>>> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad=20= >>>> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? >>>>=20 >>>> ---- >>>>=20 >>>> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking >>>>=20 >>>> Background >>>>=20 >>>> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, >>>> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these >>>> applications do not require users to be present at the time of = service >>>> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial >>>> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in >>>> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to = be >>>> of higher performance. >>>>=20 >>>> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices = to >>>> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of = Things" >>>> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the >>>> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these = devices >>>> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone >>>> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will = be >>>> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and >>>> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. >>>>=20 >>>> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value = for >>>> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been = connected >>>> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the = use >>>> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium >>>> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. >>>>=20 >>>> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet >>>> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems >>>> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, >>>> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that >>>> help optimize the communications and lower the computational >>>> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for = these >>>> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", >>>> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and = Lossy >>>> networks (roll)" working groups. >>>>=20 >>>> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken = by >>>> developers of Internet technology, when considering the >>>> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many = design >>>> considerations need to be taken into account when developing = protocols >>>> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of = computing >>>> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is = often >>>> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in = Cyberspace: >>>> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see >>>> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf >>>>=20 >>>> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken = when >>>> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To >>>> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the = area >>>> of integration in the following categories: >>>>=20 >>>> * scalability >>>> * power usage >>>> * interworking between different technologies and network domains >>>> * usability and manageability >>>> * security >>>>=20 >>>> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the >>>> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and = in >>>> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to >>>> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, = further >>>> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current >>>> practices. >>>>=20 >>>> Workshop Style >>>>=20 >>>> The workshop=92s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to = keep >>>> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit = a >>>> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted >>>> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active >>>> participation will be expected. >>>>=20 >>>> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions >>>> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background >>>> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a >>>> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may = ask >>>> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas = and >>>> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or = two >>>> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem = that=92s >>>> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the >>>> problem or some means of approaching it. >>>>=20 >>>> Important Dates >>>>=20 >>>> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. >>>>=20 >>>> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the = program >>>> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of >>>> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by >>>> February, 25th. >>>>=20 >>>> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, >>>> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on = Sunday, >>>> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the >>>> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. = These >>>> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF = CORE, >>>> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. >>>>=20 >>>> Position Papers Requirements >>>>=20 >>>> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing = their >>>> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome >>>> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint >>>> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and >>>> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating >>>> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not >>>> required to be original in content. >>>>=20 >>>> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, = PDF, >>>> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most >>>> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted = position >>>> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, = and >>>> a workshop report). >>>>=20 >>>> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>>=20 >>>> Venue >>>>=20 >>>> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March = 25th, >>>> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the >>>> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea = will >>>> be served. >>>>=20 >>>> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions >>>> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be >>>> gladly appreciated. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Workshop Organizers >>>>=20 >>>> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari = Arkko >>>> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba >>>> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler = (ROLL >>>> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF >>>> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area >>>> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms >>>> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), = Alexey >>>> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre = (Applications >>>> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol >>>> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). >>>>=20 >>>> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: >>>> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ >>>>=20 >>>> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Fri Dec 24 10:35:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 631F23A6833 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:35:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.383, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-KJxU23ULuE for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:35:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA2A43A6830 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:35:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34so8499666qyk.10 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:37:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=BlxiWa7tpnwSICSSKkowDUMCPRnPgq9oFylL1CTTz+o=; b=Ek+4qxyWh8eizzJlRXdFpSv+u2onD7wP6gTICboKLyXipyp2XBSk0oRHhqrPIkb4Xy 5wqUhYHXGq4YH0iaSlQ7ovmjf/eeIFxS+nFZJliazToO8kIqB7O24jGoL0FO0jw0T6ZU SC477+DON2W07MJFrGGANOtLX9ByFMf5arVkU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=JuFBDjzFpuntXo8iea9Pzj6MPDDGQxMO4T0XeRmk9AO6oxpJorJrwP3Y9Y5x4Ei09a ivIxq6rREi9RcXiILsvuIoo3yZvo+TJzvO36U9rMCejj1rbGuBNzVcxqBwOPutXJAh6L vlQQ4Icw/LDvPPUa1/HPnzNo+axgnaxWw1Qx8= Received: by 10.224.45.145 with SMTP id e17mr9303539qaf.96.1293215857675; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:37:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from bxb-rdroms-8716.cisco.com (198-135-0-233.cisco.com [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m14sm5288223qcu.20.2010.12.24.10.37.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:37:35 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: <1FBACA77-7D73-4C24-B776-059E2ECCA1B2@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:37:33 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <96249380-F6A7-4D38-A9C9-44A9F9A0D4A9@gmail.com> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> <1293210274.1917.5.camel@d430> <1FBACA77-7D73-4C24-B776-059E2ECCA1B2@cisco.com> To: Fred Baker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 18:35:37 -0000 We'll meet on Sunday. I don't think we have anything planned for = Saturday. - Ralph On Dec 24, 2010, at 1:10 PM 12/24/10, Fred Baker wrote: >=20 > On Dec 24, 2010, at 9:04 AM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: >=20 >> Why not put the tutorials on Friday and the workshop on Saturday. = That >> way folks will be educated at the tutorials before the workshop = rather >> than after. >=20 > Because the IESG meets on Saturday? >=20 >> geoff >>=20 >> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:23 +0200, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >>> Hi Geoff,=20 >>>=20 >>> the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on = Saturday.=20 >>>=20 >>> Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not = attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any = ability to optimize.=20 >>>=20 >>> Ciao >>> Hannes >>>=20 >>> On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Jari, >>>> Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on >>>> Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday = and >>>> in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely = that I >>>> will be able to attend. >>>>=20 >>>> Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. >>>>=20 >>>> geoff >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >>>>> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about = organizing a=20 >>>>> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good = idea/bad=20 >>>>> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? >>>>>=20 >>>>> ---- >>>>>=20 >>>>> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking >>>>>=20 >>>>> Background >>>>>=20 >>>>> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, >>>>> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these >>>>> applications do not require users to be present at the time of = service >>>>> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial >>>>> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in >>>>> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered = to be >>>>> of higher performance. >>>>>=20 >>>>> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of = devices to >>>>> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of = Things" >>>>> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the >>>>> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these = devices >>>>> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone >>>>> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will = be >>>>> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and >>>>> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value = for >>>>> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been = connected >>>>> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the = use >>>>> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium >>>>> between all applications and enabling rich communications = services. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet >>>>> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems >>>>> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the = new, >>>>> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols = that >>>>> help optimize the communications and lower the computational >>>>> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for = these >>>>> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments = (core)", >>>>> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and = Lossy >>>>> networks (roll)" working groups. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken = by >>>>> developers of Internet technology, when considering the >>>>> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many = design >>>>> considerations need to be taken into account when developing = protocols >>>>> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of = computing >>>>> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is = often >>>>> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in = Cyberspace: >>>>> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see >>>>> = http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf >>>>>=20 >>>>> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken = when >>>>> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To >>>>> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the = area >>>>> of integration in the following categories: >>>>>=20 >>>>> * scalability >>>>> * power usage >>>>> * interworking between different technologies and network domains >>>>> * usability and manageability >>>>> * security >>>>>=20 >>>>> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the >>>>> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and = in >>>>> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to >>>>> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, = further >>>>> need for research, or implementation and configuration best = current >>>>> practices. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Workshop Style >>>>>=20 >>>>> The workshop=92s main focus will be on the discussions. In order = to keep >>>>> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to = submit a >>>>> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of = accepted >>>>> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active >>>>> participation will be expected. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions >>>>> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant = background >>>>> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a >>>>> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may = ask >>>>> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas = and >>>>> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or = two >>>>> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem = that=92s >>>>> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of = the >>>>> problem or some means of approaching it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Important Dates >>>>>=20 >>>>> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the = program >>>>> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one = of >>>>> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by >>>>> February, 25th. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, >>>>> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on = Sunday, >>>>> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the >>>>> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. = These >>>>> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF = CORE, >>>>> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Position Papers Requirements >>>>>=20 >>>>> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing = their >>>>> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome >>>>> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint >>>>> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and >>>>> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating >>>>> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not >>>>> required to be original in content. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, = PDF, >>>>> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most >>>>> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted = position >>>>> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, = and >>>>> a workshop report). >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please send your position paper to = iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Venue >>>>>=20 >>>>> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March = 25th, >>>>> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the >>>>> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea = will >>>>> be served. >>>>>=20 >>>>> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of = discussions >>>>> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be >>>>> gladly appreciated. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Workshop Organizers >>>>>=20 >>>>> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari = Arkko >>>>> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba >>>>> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler = (ROLL >>>>> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF >>>>> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area >>>>> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms >>>>> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), = Alexey >>>>> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre = (Applications >>>>> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol >>>>> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). >>>>>=20 >>>>> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: >>>>> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ >>>>>=20 >>>>> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From geoff@proto6.com Fri Dec 24 09:01:35 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C25F3A6816 for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:01:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vdFKEASBQfqV for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:01:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from server2.coslabs.com (server2.coslabs.com [64.111.18.234]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B8503A680B for ; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 09:01:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from grab (mail.coslabs.com [199.233.92.34]) by server2.coslabs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F6F51835B; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:03:38 -0700 (MST) Received: from [199.233.92.6] (unknown [199.233.92.6]) by grab (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AEF57FDB5; Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:03:35 -0700 (MST) From: Geoff Mulligan To: Hannes Tschofenig In-Reply-To: <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:03:34 -0700 Message-ID: <1293210214.1917.3.camel@d430> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.28.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:41:30 -0800 Cc: IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Dec 2010 17:01:35 -0000 Why not put the tutorials on Friday and the workshop on Saturday. geoff On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:23 +0200, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: > Hi Geoff, > > the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on Saturday. > > Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any ability to optimize. > > Ciao > Hannes > > On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > > > Jari, > > Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on > > Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday and > > in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely that I > > will be able to attend. > > > > Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. > > > > geoff > > > > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: > >> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about organizing a > >> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad > >> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? > >> > >> ---- > >> > >> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking > >> > >> Background > >> > >> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, > >> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these > >> applications do not require users to be present at the time of service > >> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial > >> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in > >> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to be > >> of higher performance. > >> > >> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices to > >> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of Things" > >> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the > >> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these devices > >> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone > >> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will be > >> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and > >> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. > >> > >> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value for > >> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been connected > >> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the use > >> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium > >> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. > >> > >> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet > >> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems > >> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, > >> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that > >> help optimize the communications and lower the computational > >> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for these > >> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", > >> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and Lossy > >> networks (roll)" working groups. > >> > >> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken by > >> developers of Internet technology, when considering the > >> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many design > >> considerations need to be taken into account when developing protocols > >> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of computing > >> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is often > >> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in Cyberspace: > >> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see > >> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf > >> > >> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken when > >> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To > >> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the area > >> of integration in the following categories: > >> > >> * scalability > >> * power usage > >> * interworking between different technologies and network domains > >> * usability and manageability > >> * security > >> > >> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the > >> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and in > >> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to > >> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, further > >> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current > >> practices. > >> > >> Workshop Style > >> > >> The workshop’s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to keep > >> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit a > >> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted > >> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active > >> participation will be expected. > >> > >> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions > >> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background > >> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a > >> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may ask > >> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas and > >> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or two > >> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem that’s > >> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the > >> problem or some means of approaching it. > >> > >> Important Dates > >> > >> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. > >> > >> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the program > >> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of > >> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by > >> February, 25th. > >> > >> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, > >> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on Sunday, > >> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the > >> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. These > >> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF CORE, > >> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. > >> > >> Position Papers Requirements > >> > >> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing their > >> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome > >> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint > >> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and > >> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating > >> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not > >> required to be original in content. > >> > >> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, PDF, > >> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most > >> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted position > >> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, and > >> a workshop report). > >> > >> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. > >> > >> Venue > >> > >> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March 25th, > >> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the > >> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea will > >> be served. > >> > >> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions > >> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be > >> gladly appreciated. > >> > >> > >> Workshop Organizers > >> > >> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari Arkko > >> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba > >> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler (ROLL > >> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF > >> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area > >> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms > >> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), Alexey > >> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre (Applications > >> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol > >> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). > >> > >> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: > >> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ > >> > >> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > From Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net Sat Dec 25 03:34:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartpowerdir@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A14773A6912 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:34:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ocFfXI+Pv+1a for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B88F3A6805 for ; Sat, 25 Dec 2010 03:34:41 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Dec 2010 11:36:42 -0000 Received: from 212095007071.public.telering.at (EHLO [192.168.137.75]) [212.95.7.71] by mail.gmx.net (mp035) with SMTP; 25 Dec 2010 12:36:42 +0100 X-Authenticated: #29516787 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+xnBhyMbexUKwLxjdkYq1/n88vHNzu6ZSP3iTAUh HwEXyVwjXAlPJd Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Hannes Tschofenig In-Reply-To: <1293210214.1917.3.camel@d430> Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 13:36:34 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <52E2F5CD-0D4D-4FC6-9F52-A11BFF6224AC@gmx.net> References: <4D121745.5030109@piuha.net> <1293034070.2211.25.camel@d430> <77850D9C-3546-4A51-9842-CD19DB009D68@gmx.net> <1293210214.1917.3.camel@d430> To: Geoff Mulligan X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 09:41:30 -0800 Cc: Hannes Tschofenig , IETF SmartPower Directorate Subject: Re: [smartpowerdir] planned workshop on IOT X-BeenThere: smartpowerdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Members of the Smart Power Directorate List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 25 Dec 2010 11:34:45 -0000 Hi Geoff,=20 the reason for the order is was the following: We want to restrict = participation at the workshop. Hence, there is a requirement for a = position paper (as an expression of interest). Then, the workshop = organizers will read through the papers and invite some of the authors. = We want to limit the participants to 40-50 persons to have a manageable = group (to have discussions). For the tutorial session we do not have the same restrictions. It is = open for everyone who registers in time. I would therefore expect a = punch of IETF folks to show up. If we do the tutorial session on Friday then we require a punch of folks = to arrive earlier and we do not allow them to show up at the workshop on = Saturday. That feels a bit strange.=20 We should nevertheless think about your suggestion. Ciao Hannes On Dec 24, 2010, at 7:03 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: > Why not put the tutorials on Friday and the workshop on Saturday. >=20 > geoff >=20 > On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 18:23 +0200, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: >> Hi Geoff,=20 >>=20 >> the suggestion was to have the workshop on Friday and tutorials on = Saturday.=20 >>=20 >> Recently, we organized a privacy workshop in Boston and it was not = attached to any other event. Hence, everyone had to travel without any = ability to optimize.=20 >>=20 >> Ciao >> Hannes >>=20 >> On Dec 22, 2010, at 6:07 PM, Geoff Mulligan wrote: >>=20 >>> Jari, >>> Is there any way to make this workshop on Saturday? Putting it on >>> Friday means that we have to leave the US at the latest by Thursday = and >>> in reality on Wednesday. Personally this makes it very unlikely = that I >>> will be able to attend. >>>=20 >>> Not sure about all the others traveling from the US. >>>=20 >>> geoff >>>=20 >>> On Wed, 2010-12-22 at 17:20 +0200, Jari Arkko wrote: >>>> Hannes, me, Zack, and a few others have been talking about = organizing a=20 >>>> workshop right before the next IETF on IOT. Thoughts? Good idea/bad=20= >>>> idea? Sufficient participation can be drummed up? >>>>=20 >>>> ---- >>>>=20 >>>> Internet Scale Machine-to-Machine Networking >>>>=20 >>>> Background >>>>=20 >>>> Today's Internet is experienced by users as a set of applications, >>>> such as email, instant messaging, and social networks. While these >>>> applications do not require users to be present at the time of = service >>>> execution in many cases they are. There are also substantial >>>> differences in performance between the various end devices, but in >>>> general end devices participating in the Internet are considered to = be >>>> of higher performance. >>>>=20 >>>> As we move forward with the interconnection of all kinds of devices = to >>>> the Internet, these characteristics will change. "Internet of = Things" >>>> is a vision where a large number of devices benefit from the >>>> communication services offered by the Internet. Many of these = devices >>>> are not directly operated by humans, but exist as stand-alone >>>> components in buildings, vehicles, and the environment. There will = be >>>> a lot of variation in the computing power, available memory, and >>>> communications bandwidth between different types of devices. >>>>=20 >>>> Many of these devices provide new services or provide more value = for >>>> our previously unconnected devices. Some devices have been = connected >>>> in various legacy means in the past but are now migrating to the = use >>>> of the Internet Protocol, sharing the same communications medium >>>> between all applications and enabling rich communications services. >>>>=20 >>>> Much of this development can simply run on existing Internet >>>> protocols. For instance, home entertainment and monitoring systems >>>> often offer a web interface to the end user. In many cases the new, >>>> constrained environments can benefit from additional protocols that >>>> help optimize the communications and lower the computational >>>> requirements. Examples of standardization efforts targeted for = these >>>> environments include the "Constrained RESTful Environments (core)", >>>> IPv6 over Low power WPAN (6lowpan)", Routing Over Low power and = Lossy >>>> networks (roll)" working groups. >>>>=20 >>>> This workshop aims to explore the experience and approaches taken = by >>>> developers of Internet technology, when considering the >>>> characteristics of constraint devices. Engineers know that many = design >>>> considerations need to be taken into account when developing = protocols >>>> and architecture. Balancing between the conflicting goals of = computing >>>> performance, code size, economical incentives, and security is = often >>>> difficult, as illustrated by Clark, et al. in "Tussle in = Cyberspace: >>>> Defining Tomorrow's Internet", see >>>> http://groups.csail.mit.edu/ana/Publications/PubPDFs/Tussle2002.pdf >>>>=20 >>>> This workshop aims to discuss the experience and approaches taken = when >>>> designing Internet of Things into protocols and architectures. To >>>> frame the discussion we suggest, as examples, to investigate the = area >>>> of integration in the following categories: >>>>=20 >>>> * scalability >>>> * power usage >>>> * interworking between different technologies and network domains >>>> * usability and manageability >>>> * security >>>>=20 >>>> "To make the Internet work better" is the goal of the IETF and the >>>> workshop organizers are interested in receiving contributions and = in >>>> having discussions that support this goal. Results may lead to >>>> guidelines and recommendations, the development of standards, = further >>>> need for research, or implementation and configuration best current >>>> practices. >>>>=20 >>>> Workshop Style >>>>=20 >>>> The workshop=92s main focus will be on the discussions. In order to = keep >>>> the group at a manageable size, participants are required to submit = a >>>> position paper as an expression of interest. Submitters of accepted >>>> position papers will be invited to attend the workshop. Active >>>> participation will be expected. >>>>=20 >>>> The workshop will be structured as a series of working sessions >>>> punctuated by invited speakers who will present relevant background >>>> information or controversial ideas that help participants reach a >>>> deeper understanding of the subject. The organizing committee may = ask >>>> submitters of particularly salient papers to present their ideas = and >>>> experiences at the workshop. For each slot, there will be one or = two >>>> invited controversial speakers, and group work on the problem = that=92s >>>> identified, hopefully reaching either a deeper understanding of the >>>> problem or some means of approaching it. >>>>=20 >>>> Important Dates >>>>=20 >>>> Position papers must be submitted at latest February, 11th, 2011. >>>>=20 >>>> Submitted position papers will be reviewed immediately by the = program >>>> organizers and an invitation to the workshop will be sent to one of >>>> the paper authors. At latest, invitations will be distributed by >>>> February, 25th. >>>>=20 >>>> This one-day workshop will take place on Friday, 25th March, 2011, >>>> right before the 80th IETF meeting in Prague, which starts on = Sunday, >>>> 27th March. Independently of this workshop but relevant for the >>>> participants are tutorial events on Saturday, 26th March 2011. = These >>>> tutorials will focus on ongoing IETF efforts related to the IETF = CORE, >>>> ROLL, and 6LOWPAN working groups. >>>>=20 >>>> Position Papers Requirements >>>>=20 >>>> Interested parties must submit a brief contribution describing = their >>>> work or approach as it relates to the workshop theme. We welcome >>>> visionary ideas for how to tackle the integration of constraint >>>> devices, as well as write-ups of deployment experience, and >>>> lessons-learned from successful or failed attempts at integrating >>>> these constraint devices with the Internet. Contributions are not >>>> required to be original in content. >>>>=20 >>>> We solicit brief write-ups with 1 or 2 pages, formatted in HTML, = PDF, >>>> or plain text. We encourage paper authors to focus on the most >>>> important challenge. A focused message will be key! Accepted = position >>>> papers will be published (in addition to meeting minutes, slides, = and >>>> a workshop report). >>>>=20 >>>> Please send your position paper to iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>>=20 >>>> Venue >>>>=20 >>>> The planned date and location for the workshop is Friday, March = 25th, >>>> in Prague. Details about the meeting venue will be provided to the >>>> invited workshop participants. During the breaks coffee and tea = will >>>> be served. >>>>=20 >>>> There are no plans for remote participation. Minutes of discussions >>>> will be available, and offers to organize audio recording would be >>>> gladly appreciated. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Workshop Organizers >>>>=20 >>>> We look forward to your input. The workshop organizers are Jari = Arkko >>>> (Internet Area Director), Hannes Tschofenig (IAB), Bernard Aboba >>>> (IAB), Carsten Bormann (core and 6lowpan WG Chair), David Culler = (ROLL >>>> WG Chair), Lars Eggert (Transport Area Director, and upcoming IRTF >>>> Chair), JP Vasseur (ROLL WG Chair), Stewart Bryant (Routing Area >>>> Director), Adrian Farrel (Routing Area Director), Ralph Droms >>>> (Internet Area Director), Geoffrey Mulligan (6lowpan WG Chair), = Alexey >>>> Melnikov (Applications Area Director), Peter Saint-Andre = (Applications >>>> Area Director), Marcelo Bagnulo (IAB), Zach Shelby (protocol >>>> author/editor), Isidro Ballesteros Laso (European Commission). >>>>=20 >>>> More detailed information about the workshop is available at: >>>> http://www.iab.org/about/workshops/iot/ >>>>=20 >>>> Feel free to contact us at iot-workshop-prep@lists.i1b.org. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20