From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 18:40:38 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20317 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GMnQd31108 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:49:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GMnQ831105 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:49:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20289 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195vbw-000472-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:42:36 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195vbw-00046y-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:42:36 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GMnK831091; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:49:20 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GMm6831046 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:48:06 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA20238 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195vae-00046a-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:41:16 -0400 Received: from petasus.ch.intel.com ([143.182.124.5]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195vae-00046V-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 18:41:16 -0400 Received: from azsmsxvs040.ch.intel.com (azsmsxvs040.ch.intel.com [10.2.248.11]) by petasus.ch.intel.com (8.11.6p2/8.11.6/d: solo.mc,v 1.49 2003/01/13 19:45:39 dmccart Exp $) with SMTP id h3GMekY00436 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 22:40:46 GMT Received: from azsmsx023.ch.intel.com ([10.2.248.28]) by azsmsxvs040.ch.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.2.11) with SMTP id M2003041615405518633 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:40:55 -0700 Received: by azsmsx023.ch.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:36:10 -0700 Message-ID: <3D90571297ABD511957400508BF29C43043EA71F@pysmsx101.py.intel.com> From: "Miao, Kai" To: "'speechsc@ietf.org'" Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:49:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Speechsc] MRCP Draft Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Is this the place to talk about MRCP? In "media streams RTP ports" section (3.3), this draft seems to propose a usage of RTP session/stream/SSRC not quite consistent to what is advocated by the RTP spec (not multiplexing different streams by using SSRCs in a single session). Is the same sequence number (or time stamp base) used in a session across all streams? How do you account for packet loss for each stream, then? How do you specify things in RTCP (which should be per SSRC)? In addition, where are the payload types? Could someone provide some clarification? Also, this draft does not cover "playback" and "record" - is it because they are already covered in RTSP? If so, it should be explained. But, what about if I don't use RTSP and SIP instead? And, what has happened to the SIP/MRCP draft (which seems to be the right thing to do)? Finally, this draft mentioned using RTP for fax - shouldn't it be UDPTL? Kai _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 24 10:59:42 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18934 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OF2Mx16548 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OF2M816545 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18923 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198iE6-0006Oe-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:30 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198iE6-0006Oa-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:30 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OF2D816524; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OF1a816483 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:01:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA18905 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 10:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198iDN-0006O3-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:00:45 -0400 Received: from goalie.snowshore.com ([216.57.133.4] helo=webshield.office.snowshore.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 198iDM-0006Nu-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:00:45 -0400 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 9509; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:55 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 11:02:47 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D097C4F@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: Administrative Fiat Thread-Index: AcMKcqvochlc6sgrTJaERmAfhR8WUA== From: "Eric Burger" To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3OF1a816484 Subject: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: 1 April 2003 [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis document, I have made the following decisions: 1. We need a new protocol. 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on BEEP and CORBA. 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an ADA binding. Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. -- - Eric P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of the work group complete. _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 04:48:11 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA00769 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P8pCD06292 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:51:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P8pC806289 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:51:12 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA00766 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198yu6-000698-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:49:58 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198yu6-000694-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:49:58 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P8p7806276; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:51:07 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P8oa806243 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:50:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA00757 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198ytX-00068w-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:49:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-105-friday.noc.nerim.net ([62.4.17.105] helo=mallaury.noc.nerim.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198ytW-00068r-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:49:22 -0400 Received: from weasel.hq.eloquant.com (styx.eloquant.com [80.65.227.37]) by mallaury.noc.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A10A62E1A; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:49:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from polo (polo.hq.eloquant.com [192.168.0.131]) by weasel.hq.eloquant.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0CD073B6CA; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 04:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Brian Wyld" To: "'Eric Burger'" , "'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:46:07 +0200 Message-ID: <05db01c30b07$1da539f0$8300010a@hq.eloquant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D097C4F@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h3P8p7806276 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3P8pC806289 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Eric, Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a significant base of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... Or, I contra-propose: 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current MRCP messages 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, and to define the 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. 2. there will be a web services binding.... (sorry to be serious here) Brian [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] [Directeur General R&D] [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > -----Message d'origine----- > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > de Eric Burger > Envoyé : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > À : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > document, I have made the following decisions: > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > BEEP and CORBA. > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > ADA binding. > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > -- > - Eric > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > the work group complete. > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 06:42:12 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02356 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PAjGp13647 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:45:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PAjG813644 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:45:16 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02339 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1990gS-0006gC-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:44:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1990gR-0006g9-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:43:59 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PAjA813636; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:45:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PAin813588 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:44:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02327 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1990g1-0006fo-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:43:33 -0400 Received: from valmiki.speechworks.com ([63.113.17.11] helo=speechworks.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1990g0-0006fl-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:43:32 -0400 Received: from vishnu.speechworks.com (mailhost.speechworks.com [63.113.17.2]) by speechworks.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h3PAo6v14145; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitney (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vishnu.speechworks.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id h3PAi0a10940; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:44:00 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Eberman" To: , "'Eric Burger'" , "'IETF SPEECHSC \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:43:58 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C30AF6.0CD58BE0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <05db01c30b07$1da539f0$8300010a@hq.eloquant.com> Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C30AF6.0CD58BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by speechworks.com id h3PAo6v14145 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Even simpler why not just fold the required SETUP/TEARDOWN and DESCRIBE mechanism into MRCP and make it a first class protocol. Then move on to figuring out how to do RECORD with recognition and speaker verification. -Brian Eberman Director Product Management and Services SpeechWorks International 695 Atlantic Avenue Boston, MA 02111 617 428 4444 -----Original Message----- From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf Of Brian Wyld Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:46 AM To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Eric, Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a significant b= ase of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... Or, I contra-propose: 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current MRCP message= s 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, and to define = the 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. 2. there will be a web services binding.... (sorry to be serious here) Brian [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] [Directeur General R&D] [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > -----Message d'origine----- > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > de Eric Burger > Envoy=E9 : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > =C0 : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > document, I have made the following decisions: > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > BEEP and CORBA. > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > ADA binding. > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > -- > - Eric > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > the work group complete. > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C30AF6.0CD58BE0 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Brian Eberman.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Brian Eberman.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Eberman;Brian FN:Brian Eberman ORG:Speechworks International;Product Development TITLE:Director of Engineering, Carrier Technologies and Platforms TEL;WORK;VOICE:(617) 428-4444 TEL;WORK;FAX:617 428 1122 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;617 428 4444;695 Atlantic = Ave=3D0D=3D0A;Boston;MA;02111 LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:617 428 4444=3D0D=3D0A695 = Atlantic Ave=3D0D=3D0A=3D0D=3D0ABoston, MA 02111 URL;WORK:http://www.speechworks.com EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:bse@speechworks.com EMAIL;INTERNET:beberman@bellsouthips.com REV:20020505T175243Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C30AF6.0CD58BE0-- _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 08:38:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06815 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PCfEE21986 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:41:14 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PCfE821983 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:41:14 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06782 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1992Ud-0000Bq-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:39:55 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1992Ud-0000Bn-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:39:55 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PCf5821950; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:41:05 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PCdB821793 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:39:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA06721 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1992Sf-0000Av-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:37:53 -0400 Received: from smtp-105-friday.nerim.net ([62.4.16.105] helo=kraid.nerim.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1992Se-0000As-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:37:52 -0400 Received: from weasel.hq.eloquant.com (styx.eloquant.com [80.65.227.37]) by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C6E640F7E; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:38:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from polo (polo.hq.eloquant.com [192.168.0.131]) by weasel.hq.eloquant.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1F6D93B6CA; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Brian Wyld" To: "'Brian Eberman'" , "'Eric Burger'" , "'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 14:34:40 +0200 Message-ID: <05f501c30b27$0b1a9f30$8300010a@hq.eloquant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h3PCf5821950 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PCfE821983 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sure, but then you blew the "reuse existing protocols, don't reinvent the wheel" requirement.... Brian PS> Shouldn't that be "Scansoft" in your footer....? [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] [Directeur General R&D] [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > Envoyé : Friday, April 25, 2003 12:44 > À : brian.wyld@eloquant.com; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Objet : RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Even simpler why not just fold the required SETUP/TEARDOWN > and DESCRIBE > mechanism into MRCP and make it a first class protocol. Then > move on to > figuring out how to do RECORD with recognition and speaker > verification. > > -Brian Eberman > Director Product Management and Services > SpeechWorks International > 695 Atlantic Avenue > Boston, MA 02111 > 617 428 4444 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf > Of Brian Wyld > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:46 AM > To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Eric, > > Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a > significant base > of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... > > Or, I contra-propose: > 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current > MRCP messages > 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, > and to define the > 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. > > 2. there will be a web services binding.... > > (sorry to be serious here) > > Brian > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > [Directeur General R&D] > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > > de Eric Burger > > Envoyé : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > > À : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > > document, I have made the following decisions: > > > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > > BEEP and CORBA. > > > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > > ADA binding. > > > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > > > -- > > - Eric > > > > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > > the work group complete. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speechsc mailing list > > Speechsc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 09:14:03 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07641 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PDH9424702 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:17:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDH9824699 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:17:09 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07616 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19933O-0000Rz-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:15:50 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19933N-0000Rw-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:15:49 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDH4824663; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:17:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDCU824474 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:12:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07555 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1992yt-0000Qg-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:11:11 -0400 Received: from valmiki.speechworks.com ([63.113.17.11] helo=speechworks.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1992yt-0000Qd-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:11:11 -0400 Received: from vishnu.speechworks.com (mailhost.speechworks.com [63.113.17.2]) by speechworks.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id h3PDHQv17362; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from whitney (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vishnu.speechworks.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id h3PDBII07844; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Brian Eberman" To: , "'Eric Burger'" , "'IETF SPEECHSC \(E-mail\)'" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:11:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 In-Reply-To: <05f501c30b27$0b1a9f30$8300010a@hq.eloquant.com> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by speechworks.com id h3PDHQv17362 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PDCU824475 Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h3PDH4824663 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PDH9824699 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes I know I blew the don't reinvent the wheel requirement, but if the wheel is the wrong size then it needs a new wheel. Fitting it into RTSP would mean fitting TTS in to Play, and then adding lots of messages for recognition, adding messages for verification, etc. Is it really RTSP anymore? What value does RTSP bring to the combination. Reading the analysis it doesn't seem like very much and then there would be confusion of what RTSP methods are supported by a recognizer/ TTS RTSP server. I think the same problem exists for SIP. If we break this one requirement then we can deal with the major issues: 1) verification 2) recognition with recording 3) load-balancing 4) resource registration -Brian -----Original Message----- From: Brian Wyld [mailto:brian.wyld@eloquant.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:35 AM To: 'Brian Eberman'; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Sure, but then you blew the "reuse existing protocols, don't reinvent the wheel" requirement.... Brian PS> Shouldn't that be "Scansoft" in your footer....? [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] [Directeur General R&D] [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > Envoyé : Friday, April 25, 2003 12:44 > À : brian.wyld@eloquant.com; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Objet : RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Even simpler why not just fold the required SETUP/TEARDOWN > and DESCRIBE > mechanism into MRCP and make it a first class protocol. Then > move on to > figuring out how to do RECORD with recognition and speaker > verification. > > -Brian Eberman > Director Product Management and Services > SpeechWorks International > 695 Atlantic Avenue > Boston, MA 02111 > 617 428 4444 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf > Of Brian Wyld > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:46 AM > To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Eric, > > Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a > significant base > of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... > > Or, I contra-propose: > 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current > MRCP messages > 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, > and to define the > 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. > > 2. there will be a web services binding.... > > (sorry to be serious here) > > Brian > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > [Directeur General R&D] > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > > de Eric Burger > > Envoyé : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > > À : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > > document, I have made the following decisions: > > > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > > BEEP and CORBA. > > > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > > ADA binding. > > > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > > > -- > > - Eric > > > > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > > the work group complete. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speechsc mailing list > > Speechsc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 09:21:27 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07880 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:21:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PDOWF25222 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:24:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDOW825219 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:24:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07845 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1993A6-0000Vy-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:22:46 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1993A5-0000Vv-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:22:45 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDO1825167; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:24:01 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDN2825109 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:23:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA07813 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19938n-0000Uw-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:21:25 -0400 Received: from goalie.snowshore.com ([216.57.133.4] helo=webshield.office.snowshore.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 19938n-0000Ue-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:21:25 -0400 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 10812; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:23:33 -0400 (EDT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:23:29 -0400 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E173@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Thread-Index: AcMLLIEPCUG/4l3dRVK3My/G7CcY5gAAUu1Q From: "Eric Burger" To: "Brian Eberman" , , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PDN8825110 Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h3PDO1825167 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PDOW825219 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The requirement is "Motherhood and Apple Pie". That is, if you don't have to, don't. However, it doesn't mean "never". If a new, first-class protocol is the right answer, then it is the answer. That said, we will *really* need a document to support that conclusion. > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:11 AM > To: brian.wyld@eloquant.com; Eric Burger; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Yes I know I blew the don't reinvent the wheel requirement, > but if the wheel > is the wrong size then it needs a new wheel. > > Fitting it into RTSP would mean fitting TTS in to Play, and > then adding lots > of messages for recognition, adding messages for > verification, etc. Is it > really RTSP anymore? What value does RTSP bring to the > combination. Reading > the analysis it doesn't seem like very much and then there would be > confusion of what RTSP methods are supported by a recognizer/ TTS RTSP > server. > > I think the same problem exists for SIP. > > If we break this one requirement then we can deal with the > major issues: > 1) verification > 2) recognition with recording > 3) load-balancing > 4) resource registration > > -Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Wyld [mailto:brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:35 AM > To: 'Brian Eberman'; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Sure, but then you blew the "reuse existing protocols, don't > reinvent the > wheel" requirement.... > > Brian > > PS> Shouldn't that be "Scansoft" in your footer....? > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > [Directeur General R&D] > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > > Envoyé : Friday, April 25, 2003 12:44 > > À : brian.wyld@eloquant.com; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > Objet : RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > Even simpler why not just fold the required SETUP/TEARDOWN > > and DESCRIBE > > mechanism into MRCP and make it a first class protocol. Then > > move on to > > figuring out how to do RECORD with recognition and speaker > > verification. > > > > -Brian Eberman > > Director Product Management and Services > > SpeechWorks International > > 695 Atlantic Avenue > > Boston, MA 02111 > > 617 428 4444 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf > > Of Brian Wyld > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:46 AM > > To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > Eric, > > > > Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a > > significant base > > of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... > > > > Or, I contra-propose: > > 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current > > MRCP messages > > 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, > > and to define the > > 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. > > > > 2. there will be a web services binding.... > > > > (sorry to be serious here) > > > > Brian > > > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > > [Directeur General R&D] > > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > > > de Eric Burger > > > Envoyé : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > > > À : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > > > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > > > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > > > > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > > > document, I have made the following decisions: > > > > > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > > > > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > > > BEEP and CORBA. > > > > > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > > > ADA binding. > > > > > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > > > > > -- > > > - Eric > > > > > > > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > > > the work group complete. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speechsc mailing list > > > Speechsc@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speechsc mailing list > > Speechsc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > > > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 09:56:19 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08838 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PDxQd28216 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:59:26 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDxQ828213 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:59:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08826 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1993iI-0000on-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:58:06 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1993iH-0000ok-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:58:05 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDxB828176; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:59:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PDwV828136 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:58:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA08801 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1993hP-0000oN-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:57:11 -0400 Received: from mtl-mx1.nuance.com ([66.46.69.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1993hN-0000nq-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:57:09 -0400 Received: from mpb1exbr01.nuance.com (mpb1exbr01.nuance.com [10.0.0.43]) by mtl-mx1.nuance.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3PDuuQ09045; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtb1exch01.nuance.com ([10.3.2.6]) by mpb1exbr01.nuance.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Fri, 25 Apr 2003 06:56:38 -0700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 09:56:36 -0400 Message-ID: <7DE7C4EF3B7C8B4B82955191378290D8EDB9D4@mtb1exch01.nuance.com> Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Thread-Index: AcMLLRzjSCmM00ZaQnKqv+u98ssmqgABVYxQ From: "Pierre Forgues" To: "Brian Eberman" , , "Eric Burger" , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Apr 2003 13:56:38.0076 (UTC) FILETIME=[7DA547C0:01C30B32] X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PDwV828137 Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h3PDxB828176 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PDxQ828213 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I like the direction of this proposal. /Pierre > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:11 AM > To: brian.wyld@eloquant.com; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Yes I know I blew the don't reinvent the wheel requirement, > but if the wheel > is the wrong size then it needs a new wheel. > > Fitting it into RTSP would mean fitting TTS in to Play, and > then adding lots > of messages for recognition, adding messages for > verification, etc. Is it > really RTSP anymore? What value does RTSP bring to the > combination. Reading > the analysis it doesn't seem like very much and then there would be > confusion of what RTSP methods are supported by a recognizer/ TTS RTSP > server. > > I think the same problem exists for SIP. > > If we break this one requirement then we can deal with the > major issues: > 1) verification > 2) recognition with recording > 3) load-balancing > 4) resource registration > > -Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Wyld [mailto:brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:35 AM > To: 'Brian Eberman'; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Sure, but then you blew the "reuse existing protocols, don't > reinvent the > wheel" requirement.... > > Brian > > PS> Shouldn't that be "Scansoft" in your footer....? > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > [Directeur General R&D] > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > > Envoyé : Friday, April 25, 2003 12:44 > > À : brian.wyld@eloquant.com; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > Objet : RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > Even simpler why not just fold the required SETUP/TEARDOWN > > and DESCRIBE > > mechanism into MRCP and make it a first class protocol. Then > > move on to > > figuring out how to do RECORD with recognition and speaker > > verification. > > > > -Brian Eberman > > Director Product Management and Services > > SpeechWorks International > > 695 Atlantic Avenue > > Boston, MA 02111 > > 617 428 4444 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf > > Of Brian Wyld > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:46 AM > > To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > Eric, > > > > Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a > > significant base > > of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... > > > > Or, I contra-propose: > > 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current > > MRCP messages > > 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, > > and to define the > > 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. > > > > 2. there will be a web services binding.... > > > > (sorry to be serious here) > > > > Brian > > > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > > [Directeur General R&D] > > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > > > de Eric Burger > > > Envoyé : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > > > À : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > > > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > > > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > > > > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > > > document, I have made the following decisions: > > > > > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > > > > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > > > BEEP and CORBA. > > > > > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > > > ADA binding. > > > > > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > > > > > -- > > > - Eric > > > > > > > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > > > the work group complete. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Speechsc mailing list > > > Speechsc@ietf.org > > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Speechsc mailing list > > Speechsc@ietf.org > > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 10:36:03 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11083 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3PEdBB32092 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:39:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PEdB832089 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:39:11 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11069 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1994Kk-00018H-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:37:50 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1994Kk-00018E-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:37:50 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PEd6832080; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:39:06 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3PEcY832060 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:38:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA11035 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1994K9-000186-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:37:13 -0400 Received: from smtp-105-friday.nerim.net ([62.4.16.105] helo=kraid.nerim.net) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1994K8-000183-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:37:12 -0400 Received: from weasel.hq.eloquant.com (styx.eloquant.com [80.65.227.37]) by kraid.nerim.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ADB9410A3; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:37:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from polo (polo.hq.eloquant.com [192.168.0.131]) by weasel.hq.eloquant.com (Postfix) with SMTP id BC3DB3B6CA; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 10:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Brian Wyld" To: "'Eric Burger'" , "'Brian Eberman'" , "'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)'" Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 16:34:01 +0200 Message-ID: <061a01c30b37$b76bada0$8300010a@hq.eloquant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_061B_01C30B48.7AF47DA0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209D59E173@zoe.office.snowshore.com> X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 000000009839C1773A5AE24DB655BB46253A4EAF640E3700 Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_061B_01C30B48.7AF47DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by www1.ietf.org id h3PEd6832080 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eric, I have difficulty with this statement. I cannot reconcile the following conclusion: "Motherhood and Apple Pie" =3D=3D "if you don't have to, don't" I really cannot see the possibility to justify this in the protocol comparison document given its parochial and US-centered nature..... (remember I live in France here..) Justifying a new 1st class protocol due to the non-match of existing ones and the mess induced by retro-fitting the functionality into them is on t= he other hand fairly easy, eg by expanding on BrianE's "wrong size wheel" statement...... But it's true I do need reworked sections as discussed in the last conf c= all to make the analysis doc hang together and look like a serious piece of work..... Brian [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] [Directeur General R&D] [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services]=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@snowshore.com] > Envoy=E9 : Friday, April 25, 2003 15:23 > =C0 : Brian Eberman; brian.wyld@eloquant.com; IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > Objet : RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat >=20 >=20 > The requirement is "Motherhood and Apple Pie". That is, if=20 > you don't have to, don't. However, it doesn't mean "never". =20 > If a new, first-class protocol is the right answer, then it=20 > is the answer. >=20 > That said, we will *really* need a document to support that=20 > conclusion. >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:11 AM > > To: brian.wyld@eloquant.com; Eric Burger; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > >=20 > >=20 > > Yes I know I blew the don't reinvent the wheel requirement,=20 > > but if the wheel > > is the wrong size then it needs a new wheel. > >=20 > > Fitting it into RTSP would mean fitting TTS in to Play, and=20 > > then adding lots > > of messages for recognition, adding messages for=20 > > verification, etc. Is it > > really RTSP anymore? What value does RTSP bring to the=20 > > combination. Reading > > the analysis it doesn't seem like very much and then there would be > > confusion of what RTSP methods are supported by a=20 > recognizer/ TTS RTSP > > server. > >=20 > > I think the same problem exists for SIP. > >=20 > > If we break this one requirement then we can deal with the=20 > > major issues: > > 1) verification > > 2) recognition with recording > > 3) load-balancing > > 4) resource registration > >=20 > > -Brian > >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brian Wyld [mailto:brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 8:35 AM > > To: 'Brian Eberman'; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > >=20 > >=20 > > Sure, but then you blew the "reuse existing protocols, don't=20 > > reinvent the > > wheel" requirement.... > >=20 > > Brian > >=20 > > PS> Shouldn't that be "Scansoft" in your footer....? > >=20 > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > > [Directeur General R&D] > > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > >=20 > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > De : Brian Eberman [mailto:bse@speechworks.com] > > > Envoy=E9 : Friday, April 25, 2003 12:44 > > > =C0 : brian.wyld@eloquant.com; 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF=20 > SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > > Objet : RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > > > > Even simpler why not just fold the required SETUP/TEARDOWN > > > and DESCRIBE > > > mechanism into MRCP and make it a first class protocol. Then > > > move on to > > > figuring out how to do RECORD with recognition and speaker > > > verification. > > > > > > -Brian Eberman > > > Director Product Management and Services > > > SpeechWorks International > > > 695 Atlantic Avenue > > > Boston, MA 02111 > > > 617 428 4444 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]On Behalf > > > Of Brian Wyld > > > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:46 AM > > > To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' > > > Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > > > > Eric, > > > > > > Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a > > > significant base > > > of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... > > > > > > Or, I contra-propose: > > > 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current > > > MRCP messages > > > 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, > > > and to define the > > > 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. > > > > > > 2. there will be a web services binding.... > > > > > > (sorry to be serious here) > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] > > > [Directeur General R&D] > > > [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] > > > [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > > > > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > > > > de Eric Burger > > > > Envoy=E9 : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > > > > =C0 : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > > > > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > > > > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > > > > > > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > > > > document, I have made the following decisions: > > > > > > > > 1. 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id h3PH8c811627 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by www1.ietf.org id h3PH8k811639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Brian, Can you resend the final draft of the protocl evaluation analysis to the initial team? What is left to be completed? Let's get it out of the way.. I am willing do complete my part since I don't know BEEP, COBOL and CORBA :-) Thanks, -Rajiv -----Original Message----- From: Brian Wyld [mailto:brian.wyld@eloquant.com] Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 1:46 AM To: 'Eric Burger'; 'IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)' Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat Eric, Sounds good to me...... although I believe there is still a significant base of COBOL applications that may be critical to address....... Or, I contra-propose: 1. the protocol will be RTSP extended to include the current MRCP messages 'natively', with addition of specific messages for SR/SI, and to define the 'call session' mapping to the MRCP requests. 2. there will be a web services binding.... (sorry to be serious here) Brian [Brian Wyld] [brian.wyld@eloquant.com] [Directeur General R&D] [Eloquant SA] [+33 476 77 46 92] [www.eloquant.com] [advanced solutions for telecoms and IT services] > -----Message d'origine----- > De : speechsc-admin@ietf.org > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org]De la part > de Eric Burger > Envoyé : Thursday, April 24, 2003 17:03 > À : IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) > Objet : [Speechsc] Administrative Fiat > > > Date: 1 April 2003 > [everything associated with speechsc seems to go out late] > > Since there has been no progress on the protocol analysis > document, I have made the following decisions: > > 1. We need a new protocol. > > 2. Since no one seems to care, the protocol will be based on > BEEP and CORBA. > > 3. To ensure that people use the protocol, we will publish an > ADA binding. > > Unless I hear otherwise, this is the direction we will go. > > -- > - Eric > > > P.S. If I don't hear otherwise, we can consider the work of > the work group complete. > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc