From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 1 19:33:25 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14147 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQyTV-0007fc-9o for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:10 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB20X9G7029483 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:33:09 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQyTV-0007fS-5z for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14123 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:32:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQyTT-0006Vf-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQyTT-0006Vb-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:07 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQyTM-0007ez-0j; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:33:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AQySX-0007Zp-MA for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:32:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA14075 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:31:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQySV-0006Ua-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:32:07 -0500 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AQySU-0006U8-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 01 Dec 2003 19:32:07 -0500 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hB20VZcp238860; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 19:31:35 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.9/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hB20VYv4142580; Mon, 1 Dec 2003 17:31:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Sailesh.Sathish@nokia.com Cc: ramalingam.hariharan@nokia.com, speechsc@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 16:31:28 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 12/01/2003 17:31:35, Serialize complete at 12/01/2003 17:31:35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I agree with your first example - not necessarily for TTS itself, as I'd almost expect an SSML engine to be able to cache frequently seen text. But it also would be useful to precache some audio files - large ones in particular would be useful to have cached in advance (yes, I realize once they're fetched they can stay cached, but to get them cached, one has to render an SSML document currently). In the second example, I'm not sure I follow - you'd like the dialog to go something like: system: finding quotes for minivan user: .. Dodge system: got dodge user: .. Ford system: got ford user: ..Mitsubishi system: got mitsubishi user: ..Audi system: got audi user: ..Vokswagen system: got Vokswagen user: ..BMW system: got BMW [some app-specified delay elapses] system: Please wait while the system searches for best quotes And then, the system will search for the list of cars? If so, this seems like something that could/should be implemented by the client or the application rather than the server. The VoiceXML, in fact, would probably be something like a single field with a grammar, and in the field's filled handler, it appends the reco results to an array of results queues a "got xxx" prompt, and clears the field (which causes the FIA to reselect it), and then in the noinput handler, which happens after the timeout, the searching takes place. Or did I misunderstand what you're trying to do? Thanks, Jeff Sailesh.Sathish@nokia.com Sent by: speechsc-admin@ietf.org 11/25/2003 05:25 AM To: cc: Subject: Re: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments Hi Mr Sarvi, Thank you for the reply. Please find my comments below. >With TTS there is no explicit content create or delete. There is inline content, that is stored on the server for the life of the SPEAK request. And there is URI referenced content(either specified as a URI, or specified as a URI from inside an inline content), which may be held in a local cache on the media server. The client uses the Cache-Directive fields to tell the media server, what caching directive values to use in the media servers document cache for thsi session or Request.. None of these cache directives applies for the inline content itself, but only applies for content that is URI referenced and hence those that >the media server would have to go and fetch and possibly cache. Exactly. Wouldnt there be cases when the TTS inline content would have to be stored beyond the SPEAK request timeline? As a crude example, say for instance the ASR couldnt recognize the speech data and the TTS would send back a text saying "I didnt understand, please say again". This text might have to be repeated multiple times within a page (or throughout the session). The text could be inline and can have a content-id associated with it where subsequent SPEAK request can invoke through the content-id. Also there could be other application specific TTS text that the author could write that will give feedback to the user based on ASR response metadata. The author can set multiple TTS text (each text with own id) at the server and the client can later invoke a particular TTS text based on an interaction condition (or based on metadata from the recognition result). >2. No INTERMEDIATE_RECOGNITION_RESULT send event from the recognizer and provision for setting this with the message fields (eg SET-PARAMS) > Can you elaborate on the need for this. Are you refering to recognition in stages(recgonizer, NL etc.) or are you refering to parital >recognition. If so could you provide an example of its usage. I am referring to partial results when they become available. For example, here is an interaction for a car sales application user: get me the best quotes for minivans in Manhattan area system: what models are you interested in? user: Dodge, Ford, Mitsubishi, Audi, Volkswagen, BMW system: finding quotes for minivan .. Dodge .. Ford ..Mitsubishi ..Audi ..Vokswagen ..BMW Please wait while the system searches for best quotes In the interaction above, the ASR grammar would be written in such a way as to allow the user to make multiple selections (even multiple selections in mixed initiative). It would be desirable then to give feedback to the user when each model gets recognized. This result would be sent back to the client when a match in an active grammar is found. This could be coupled with a Speech_Timeout_Value when the recognizer would decide that the user has done all the selections. Thank you. Regards, Sailesh. Sailesh Kumar Sathish GSM +358 50 4835679 Nokia Research Center Desk +358 3 272 5679 P.O.Box 100, Tampere sailesh.sathish@nokia.com Finland -33721 _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 08:03:27 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15286 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:03:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARABI-0006O0-Vz for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:03:09 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2D38qq024547 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:03:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARABI-0006Nq-QU for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:03:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA15282 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 08:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARABH-00074C-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:03:07 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARABG-000749-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:03:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARABB-0006N6-2Y; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:03:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AR4h8-0005zj-B7 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:11:38 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA04583 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 02:11:24 -0500 (EST) From: Sailesh.Sathish@nokia.com Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR4h4-0002QP-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:11:34 -0500 Received: from mgw-x1.nokia.com ([131.228.20.21]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AR4h3-0002QM-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:11:34 -0500 Received: from esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (esvir01nokt.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.143.33]) by mgw-x1.nokia.com (Switch-2.2.8/Switch-2.2.8) with ESMTP id hB27BYg26951 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:11:34 +0200 (EET) Received: from esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com (unverified) by esvir01nok.ntc.nokia.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.5) with ESMTP id ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:11:34 +0200 Received: from esebe003.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.39]) by esebh004.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:11:33 +0200 Received: from trebe004.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.22.232.177]) by esebe003.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6747); Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:11:33 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 09:11:33 +0200 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments Thread-Index: AcO4a7uokHlLnHLaRpeZDykQA0eUBgANG24g To: Cc: , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Dec 2003 07:11:33.0718 (UTC) FILETIME=[84694F60:01C3B8A3] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Jeff, Thanks for the reply. I guess you misunderstood the example a bit. I was trying to put a use case where an INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT = primitive from the media server (Speech Recognizer) would come in handy. = This primitive is sent by the Speech Recognizer when an intermediate = result is obtained and could be sent to the client. In this case, the = Speech Recognizer would not wait for the entire length till the whole = result (of what the user said) becomes ready. The system here is the = media server that is reponsible for interpreting what the user has said. = The user would say something like U: show me quotes for Ford, Dodge, Mitsubishi, Audi, Volkswagen On the browser side, there would be a variable "minivan" that can take = in multiple values. Once the whole set of values are filled for this = variable, the client will then process this (and send to a server for = getting the quotes). When the user says the above dialog, the media server should not wait = for the entire list of cars to be recognized before sending back the = result. It can use an INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT primitive to send back = each result so that when each word gets recognized, it could be = displayed back at the user terminal. Let me put it again (MS is the media server, in this case the Speech = Recognizer, CB is the client side browser (can be GUI or Voice Browser, = U is the user) U: Show me the quotes for Ford, Dodge, Mitsubishi, Audi, Volkswagen MS: INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT Ford CB: You selected Ford (Assuming this is GUI) MS: INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT Dodge CB: You selected Ford, Dodge MS: INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT Mitsubishi CB: You selected Ford, Dodge, Mitsubishi MS: INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT Audi CB: You selected Ford, Dodge, Mitsubishi, Audi MS: INTERMEDIATE_RECO_RESULT Volkswagen CB: You selected Ford, Dodge, Mitsubishi, Audi, Volkswagen MS: RECOGNITION_COMPLETE (after timeout) CB: Please confirm your selections User confirms the selections and the client will process the variable = values by sending to content server that would return the quotes. This = of course is a short list and there could be cases where the interaction = and list could be more exhaustive and complex. Its good to add support = for this. Hope I am a bit more clear :) best regards, Sailesh. > -----Original Message----- > From: ext Jeff Kusnitz [mailto:jk@us.ibm.com] > Sent: 02 December, 2003 02:31 > To: Sathish Sailesh (NRC/Tampere) > Cc: Hariharan Ramalingam (NRC/Tampere); speechsc@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments >=20 >=20 > I agree with your first example - not necessarily for TTS=20 > itself, as I'd=20 > almost expect an SSML engine to be able to cache frequently=20 > seen text. But=20 > it also would be useful to precache some audio files - large ones in=20 > particular would be useful to have cached in advance (yes, I=20 > realize once=20 > they're fetched they can stay cached, but to get them cached,=20 > one has to=20 > render an SSML document currently). >=20 > In the second example, I'm not sure I follow - you'd like the=20 > dialog to go=20 > something like: >=20 >=20 > system: finding quotes for minivan > user: .. Dodge > system: got dodge > user: .. Ford > system: got ford > user: ..Mitsubishi > system: got mitsubishi > user: ..Audi > system: got audi > user: ..Vokswagen > system: got Vokswagen > user: ..BMW > system: got BMW >=20 > [some app-specified delay elapses] >=20 > system: Please wait while the system searches for best quotes >=20 > And then, the system will search for the list of cars? If=20 > so, this seems=20 > like something that could/should be implemented by the client or the=20 > application rather than the server. The VoiceXML, in fact,=20 > would probably=20 > be something like a single field with a grammar, and in the=20 > field's filled=20 > handler, it appends the reco results to an array of results=20 > queues a "got=20 > xxx" prompt, and clears the field (which causes the FIA to=20 > reselect it),=20 > and then in the noinput handler, which happens after the timeout, the=20 > searching takes place. >=20 > Or did I misunderstand what you're trying to do? >=20 > Thanks, > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Sailesh.Sathish@nokia.com > Sent by: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > 11/25/2003 05:25 AM > =20 > To: > cc: > Subject: Re: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments >=20 >=20 > Hi Mr Sarvi, >=20 > Thank you for the reply. Please find my comments below. >=20 > >With TTS there is no explicit content create or delete. =20 > There is inline=20 > content, that is stored on the server for the life of the=20 > SPEAK request.=20 > And there is URI referenced content(either specified as a URI, or=20 > specified as a URI from inside an inline content), which may=20 > be held in=20 > a local cache on the media server. The client uses the=20 > Cache-Directive=20 > fields to tell the media server, what caching directive=20 > values to use in=20 > the media servers document cache for thsi session or Request.. >=20 > None of these cache directives applies for the inline content itself,=20 > but only applies for content that is URI referenced and hence=20 > those that=20 > >the media server would have to go and fetch and possibly cache. >=20 >=20 > Exactly. Wouldnt there be cases when the TTS inline content=20 > would have to=20 > be stored beyond the SPEAK request timeline? As a crude=20 > example, say for=20 > instance the ASR couldnt recognize the speech data and the=20 > TTS would send=20 > back a text saying "I didnt understand, please say again".=20 > This text might=20 > have to be repeated multiple times within a page (or throughout the=20 > session). The text could be inline and can have a content-id=20 > associated=20 > with it where subsequent SPEAK request can invoke through the=20 > content-id.=20 > Also there could be other application specific TTS text that=20 > the author=20 > could write that will give feedback to the user based on ASR response=20 > metadata. The author can set multiple TTS text (each text=20 > with own id) at=20 > the server and the client can later invoke a particular TTS=20 > text based on=20 > an interaction condition (or based on metadata from the recognition=20 > result).=20 >=20 > >2. No INTERMEDIATE_RECOGNITION_RESULT send event from the=20 > recognizer and=20 > provision for setting this with the message fields (eg SET-PARAMS) > > > Can you elaborate on the need for this. Are you refering to=20 > recognition=20 > in stages(recgonizer, NL etc.) or are you refering to parital=20 > >recognition. If so could you provide an example of its usage. >=20 > I am referring to partial results when they become available.=20 > For example,=20 > here is an interaction for a car sales application >=20 > user: get me the best quotes for minivans in Manhattan area > system: what models are you interested in?=20 > user: Dodge, Ford, Mitsubishi, Audi, Volkswagen, BMW > system: finding quotes for minivan > .. Dodge > .. Ford > ..Mitsubishi > ..Audi > ..Vokswagen > ..BMW >=20 > Please wait while the system searches for best quotes >=20 > In the interaction above, the ASR grammar would be written in=20 > such a way=20 > as to allow the user to make multiple selections (even=20 > multiple selections=20 > in mixed initiative). It would be desirable then to give=20 > feedback to the=20 > user when each model gets recognized. This result would be=20 > sent back to=20 > the client when a match in an active grammar is found. This could be=20 > coupled with a Speech_Timeout_Value when the recognizer would=20 > decide that=20 > the user has done all the selections. >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Sailesh. > =20 > Sailesh Kumar Sathish GSM +358 50 4835679 > Nokia Research Center Desk +358 3 272 5679 > P.O.Box 100, Tampere sailesh.sathish@nokia.com > Finland -33721 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 17:05:24 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA15741 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:05:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARIdo-0003hl-3N for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; 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Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:04:13 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: Sailesh.Sathish@nokia.com Cc: ramalingam.hariharan@nokia.com, speechsc@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: [Speechsc] MRCPv2 Comments X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:04:06 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 12/02/2003 15:04:13, Serialize complete at 12/02/2003 15:04:13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Thank you for the clarification - the updated example makes much more sense than my interpretation of the initial one :-) Jeff _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Dec 2 17:22:20 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA18094 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:22:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARIuC-0005QE-Ax for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB2MM4Ji020842 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:22:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARIuC-0005Q5-82 for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA18001 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARIu9-0003nO-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARIu9-0003nL-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARIu9-0005PN-Iw; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:22:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARItJ-0005OE-Vg for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:21:09 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17873 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:20:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARItH-0003kO-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:21:07 -0500 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARItG-0003jn-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:21:07 -0500 Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hB2MKZb0016274 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:20:35 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.9/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hB2MKYhU064202 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:20:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: speechsc@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Speechsc] Bargein questions X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 14:20:32 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 12/02/2003 15:20:35, Serialize complete at 12/02/2003 15:20:35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I've got a couple of questions about bargein as it relates to the MRCP v2 spec. 1. Currently, the recognition server has no idea about whether bargein is enabled, disabled, etc. When speech start is detected, it's supposed to fire off a message to the client, and, if the tts resource is on the same server, fire a message off there as well, where the tts server will decide whether or not to interrupt the prompt. Would it not make sense to have a boolean "barge-in" field added to the recognition header to tell it whether it should bother reporting bargein to the client/tts resource or not? 2. VoiceXML 2.0 supports two different types of bargein - speech, which means "speech was detected", and "hotword", which means that something from an active DTMF or speech grammar was recognized. MRCP seems to only have a single type of bargein - "speech". Lack of support for "hotword" makes it difficult to implement a VoiceXML 2.0 browser. I'd like to see a "barge-in-type" field added to the recognition header which allowed for "speech" or "hotword" Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 3 08:11:29 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13678 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARWmf-0004JK-DA for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:11:13 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hB3DBDA0016564 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:11:13 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARWmf-0004J5-9J for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:11:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA13646 for ; Wed, 3 Dec 2003 08:10:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARWmb-0000GG-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:11:09 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARWmb-0000GB-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:11:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARWmV-0004Gj-IR; Wed, 03 Dec 2003 08:11:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1ARJwp-00006V-9d for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:28:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA22756 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2003 18:28:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARJwm-0005E7-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:28:48 -0500 Received: from ns2.wc.wcnat.genesyslab.com ([199.165.223.222] helo=mail4.genesyslab.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1ARJwl-0005DE-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:28:47 -0500 Received: from aster.us.int.genesyslab.com ([10.10.10.25.45001]) by mail4.genesyslab.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1ARJwJ-0003uM-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:28:19 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 15:28:01 -0800 Message-ID: <52F49B5A0E5B0F4781C9C8F7159409E4B7EC20@aster.us.int.genesyslab.com> Thread-Topic: [Speechsc]Multipart.Mixed - Define Grammar Message Thread-Index: AcOypzOL5Ma+LktMSx6JyOcY1pq7gwGg4tew From: "Yi Zhang" To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Speechsc] [Speechsc]Multipart.Mixed - Define Grammar Message Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I found that there is a discrepancy between the MRCP draft and the RFC1521 regarding define the multipart message. Here are the examples, =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D MRCP example format of the Define Grammar Message: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"--break"=20 =20 --break=20 Content-Type: text/uri-list=20 Content-Length: 176=20 http://www.cisco.com/Directory-Name-List1.grxml=20 =20 --break=20 Content-Type: text/uri-list=20 Content-Length: 176=20 http://www.cisco.com/Directory-Name-List2.grxml=20 =20 --break RFC 1521 format of the Define Grammar Message: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=3D"break"=20 =20 --break=20 Content-Type: text/uri-list=20 Content-Length: 176=20 http://www.cisco.com/Directory-Name-List1.grxml=20 =20 --break=20 Content-Type: text/uri-list=20 Content-Length: 176=20 http://www.cisco.com/Directory-Name-List2.grxml=20 =20 --break-- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D I am wondering which one is the most accurate way? As the MRCP draft-shanmugham-mrcp-04 or MRCP v2 doesn't specify the use of the RFC 1521 for the multipart Define Grammar message. Thanks Yi Zhang Genesys _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 16:47:32 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07275 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjVZ-0000eY-8S for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHLl5Aw002504 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjVZ-0000eJ-3S for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:05 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07258 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjVX-0003iV-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjVW-0003iN-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjVV-0003iK-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjVU-0000dx-2O; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:47:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjUm-0000cc-Fr for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:46:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA07236 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjUk-0003hD-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:46:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjUj-0003h6-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:46:14 -0500 Received: from goalie.snowshore.com ([216.57.133.4] helo=webshield.office.snowshore.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjUj-0003gX-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:46:13 -0500 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 22979; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:50:21 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:45:43 -0500 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209DB24107@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: IETF 59 Thread-Index: AcPE5x76r1mPre/9TnSK81bonaKfTA== From: "Eric Burger" To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Speechsc] IETF 59 Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is planning time (already) for IETF 59 in Korea. A straw poll (please respond to me, NOT the list): [ ] I will attend in Seoul February 29 - March 5 [ ] I plan to attend in Seoul, but prefer these dates: ____________ [ ] I will not attend, but would be able to join a multicast session [ ] I will not be attending _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Dec 17 16:59:30 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08102 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjh9-0001Fu-1J for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBHLx2mP004740 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjh8-0001EK-PN for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08080 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjh6-0004RG-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjh5-0004R9-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjh5-0004R6-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjh7-0001DU-04; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:59:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AWjge-0001Cq-Oy for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08043 for ; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjgc-0004P4-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:30 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjgb-0004Ox-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:30 -0500 Received: from e33.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.131]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AWjgb-0004Mw-00; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:58:29 -0500 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e33.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hBHLvwJh085642; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 16:57:58 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBHLviTu167976; Wed, 17 Dec 2003 14:57:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209DB24107@zoe.office.snowshore.com> To: "Eric Burger" Cc: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" , speechsc-admin@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] IETF 59 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 13:57:47 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 12/17/2003 14:57:58, Serialize complete at 12/17/2003 14:57:58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 [X] I am not able to attend Feb 29 thru March 5 as it conflicts with the W3C Technical Plenary, The week of March 14 is much better. Jeff "Eric Burger" Sent by: speechsc-admin@ietf.org 12/17/2003 01:45 PM To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" cc: Subject: [Speechsc] IETF 59 It is planning time (already) for IETF 59 in Korea. A straw poll (please respond to me, NOT the list): [ ] I will attend in Seoul February 29 - March 5 [ ] I plan to attend in Seoul, but prefer these dates: ____________ [ ] I will not attend, but would be able to join a multicast session [ ] I will not be attending _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 10:52:33 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00161 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX0Ra-0000ni-4A for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:06 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBIFq61i003074 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:06 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX0Ra-0000nT-0G for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00116 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX0RX-0002Y1-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:03 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX0RW-0002Xt-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:02 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX0RW-0002Xq-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX0RV-0000mZ-19; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:52:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX0Qx-0000le-7d for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA00098 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX0Qu-0002X7-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:24 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX0Qt-0002X0-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:24 -0500 Received: from goalie.snowshore.com ([216.57.133.4] helo=webshield.office.snowshore.com) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX0Qt-0002UG-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:51:23 -0500 Received: from zoe.office.snowshore.com(192.168.1.172) by webshield.office.snowshore.com via csmap id 17195; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:55:29 -0500 (EST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Speechsc] IETF 59 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:50:53 -0500 Message-ID: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209DB24112@zoe.office.snowshore.com> Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] IETF 59 Thread-Index: AcPE6OkH1Rs+xUr0Q6aoGYfDv2ObhgAlZt+Q From: "Eric Burger" To: "Jeff Kusnitz" Cc: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since there are about 50x more people attending IETF, why doesn't W3C = change it's date, or hold it concurrently with the IETF :-) Actually, on the serious side, how is it possible for the IETF and W3C, = which has quite a lot of overlapping participants / contributors, to = have a collision of dates? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kusnitz [mailto:jk@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:58 PM > To: Eric Burger > Cc: IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail); speechsc-admin@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Speechsc] IETF 59 >=20 >=20 > [X] I am not able to attend Feb 29 thru March 5 as it=20 > conflicts with the=20 > W3C Technical Plenary, The week of March 14 is much better. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Eric Burger" > Sent by: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > 12/17/2003 01:45 PM > =20 > To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" > cc:=20 > Subject: [Speechsc] IETF 59 >=20 >=20 > It is planning time (already) for IETF 59 in Korea. >=20 > A straw poll (please respond to me, NOT the list): >=20 > [ ] I will attend in Seoul February 29 - March 5 > [ ] I plan to attend in Seoul, but prefer these dates: ____________ > [ ] I will not attend, but would be able to join a multicast session > [ ] I will not be attending >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Dec 18 13:05:35 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06187 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2WK-0007ZS-Cw for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:08 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBII58aH029098 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2WK-0007ZF-7t for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06136 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2WI-0007ZG-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:06 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2WE-0007YZ-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:05 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2WD-0007YS-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2WD-0007Ww-F8; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:05:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AX2VE-0007UD-7o for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:04:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA06093 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2VC-0007WL-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:03:58 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2VA-0007WA-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:03:58 -0500 Received: from mtl-mx1.nuance.com ([66.46.69.19]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AX2VA-0007UW-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:03:56 -0500 Received: from mpb1exbr01.nuance.com (mpb1exbr01.nuance.com [10.0.0.43]) by mtl-mx1.nuance.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CC2AFD74E; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 13:03:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mpb1exch02.nuance.com ([10.0.0.56]) by mpb1exbr01.nuance.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:03:20 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [Speechsc] IETF 59 Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:03:19 -0800 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] IETF 59 Thread-Index: AcPE6OkH1Rs+xUr0Q6aoGYfDv2ObhgAlZt+QAASfUmA= From: "Daniel Burnett" To: "Eric Burger" , "Jeff Kusnitz" Cc: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 18:03:20.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[385218A0:01C3C591] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't figure that out either. (I can't make it for the same reason). Why couldn't the two groups at least have tried to hold the meetings in = the same city? Jeff and I might be able to make a multicast session, though, depending = on when it occurs. -- dan -----Original Message----- From: Eric Burger [mailto:eburger@snowshore.com] Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2003 7:51 AM To: Jeff Kusnitz Cc: IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Speechsc] IETF 59 Since there are about 50x more people attending IETF, why doesn't W3C = change it's date, or hold it concurrently with the IETF :-) Actually, on the serious side, how is it possible for the IETF and W3C, = which has quite a lot of overlapping participants / contributors, to = have a collision of dates? > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Kusnitz [mailto:jk@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 4:58 PM > To: Eric Burger > Cc: IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail); speechsc-admin@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Speechsc] IETF 59 >=20 >=20 > [X] I am not able to attend Feb 29 thru March 5 as it=20 > conflicts with the=20 > W3C Technical Plenary, The week of March 14 is much better. >=20 > Jeff >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > "Eric Burger" > Sent by: speechsc-admin@ietf.org > 12/17/2003 01:45 PM > =20 > To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" > cc:=20 > Subject: [Speechsc] IETF 59 >=20 >=20 > It is planning time (already) for IETF 59 in Korea. >=20 > A straw poll (please respond to me, NOT the list): >=20 > [ ] I will attend in Seoul February 29 - March 5 > [ ] I plan to attend in Seoul, but prefer these dates: ____________ > [ ] I will not attend, but would be able to join a multicast session > [ ] I will not be attending >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Dec 29 16:03:59 2003 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA13017 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab4Xz-0000id-IE for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:03:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hBTL3Vwf002759 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:03:31 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab4Xz-0000iQ-DC for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:03:31 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA13009 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:03:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab4Xs-00055G-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:03:24 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab4UN-0004uY-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:59:48 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab4Q8-0004kX-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:55:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab4Pm-0000a1-M0; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:55:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ab4PA-0000Z9-Nd for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:54:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA12787 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab4Oz-0004h6-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:54:13 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab4Kr-0004bR-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:49:58 -0500 Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com ([32.97.182.103]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ab4JP-0004YU-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:48:27 -0500 Received: from northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (northrelay02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.150]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id hBTKlMg6727708 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:47:22 -0500 Received: from d27ml601.rchland.ibm.com (d01av02.pok.ibm.com [9.56.224.216]) by northrelay02.pok.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id hBTKlLtQ179312 for ; Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:47:21 -0500 From: Edward Epstein To: speechsc@ietf.org Message-ID: Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:47:19 -0600 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on d27ml601/27/M/IBM(Release 6.0.1CF3|July 29, 2003) at 12/29/2003 02:47:20 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Speechsc] (no subject) Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I will be out of the office starting December 18, 2003 and will not return until January 5, 2004. _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc