From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 5 14:41:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA29566 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:41:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AdabP-000168-Vq for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:41:28 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i05JfRx9004216 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:41:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AdabP-00015v-Q2 for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:41:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA29545 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:41:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AdabM-0001zi-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:41:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AdaZc-0001wI-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:39:36 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AdaY8-0001rL-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:38:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AdaY6-0000wZ-9g; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:38:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AdaXY-0000pN-5i for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:37:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA29405 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:37:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AdaXV-0001nV-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:37:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AdaVh-0001jp-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:35:34 -0500 Received: from e31.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.129]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AdaUb-0001fa-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 05 Jan 2004 14:34:25 -0500 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e31.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i05JXr19423022 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 14:33:53 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i05JXpv9147322 for ; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:33:52 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209DB24107@zoe.office.snowshore.com> To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Speechsc] Active-Request-Id-List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2004 11:33:35 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/05/2004 12:33:52, Serialize complete at 01/05/2004 12:33:52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Section 5.4.2 of the spec (active-request-id-list) says that when no id is sent, it's assumed to be a wildcard and the method applies to all pending and in-progress requests, which is reasonable. But the example says that when a wildcard stop is sent to a synthesizer, "no SPEAK-COMPLETE or RECOGNITION-COMPLETE events will be sent..." - is the "RECOGNITION-COMPLETE" part a typo? I'm not sure why a request to a synthesizer would affect a recognizer. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 12 18:56:42 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA00328 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgBup-0002YA-UH for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:56:16 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0CNuFFE009796 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:56:15 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgBup-0002Xv-Ol for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:56:15 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA00287 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:56:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgBum-0002PI-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:56:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgBt3-0002Ik-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:54:25 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgBrj-0002Ch-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:53:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgBrh-0002SL-4c; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:53:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgBql-0002Qm-S2 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:52:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA00059 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:51:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgBqi-00027y-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:52:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgBp3-00024E-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:50:17 -0500 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgBnE-0001xU-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:48:24 -0500 Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0CNlslS292802 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:47:54 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0CNlZj4095402 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:47:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Speechsc] too-much-speech-timeout X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 15:47:31 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/12/2004 16:47:34, Serialize complete at 01/12/2004 16:47:34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Where is the timeout for the "too-much-speech-timeout" set? It's one of the completion causes for RECOGNITION message (008), but there don't appear to be any messages that can actually set this value. It looks similar to the recognition-timeout; is too-much-speech-timeout redundant? Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 13 18:58:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23745 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgYQY-0003DT-Go for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:58:30 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0DNwUvA012359 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:58:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgYQY-0003DG-Ce for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:58:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23724 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgYQV-0007Bi-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:58:27 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgYOf-00079o-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:56:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgYNl-00077Z-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:55:37 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgYND-00036W-2c; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:55:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AgYMe-00033K-LM for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:54:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA23655 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:54:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgYMb-00075n-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:54:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgYKm-00073K-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:52:32 -0500 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgYIy-0006xh-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:50:40 -0500 Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0DNo9lS327520 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 18:50:09 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0DNo91L124650 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:50:09 -0700 To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:50:05 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/13/2004 16:50:08, Serialize complete at 01/13/2004 16:50:08 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Sections 8.4.2 and 8.4.3 describe the Sensitivity-Level and Speed-vs-Accuracy settings, but they don't specify the ranges nor the default value. To be consistent with other parameters, might I suggest the range be between 0 and 100 (which maps nicely to VoiceXML 2.0's range of 0.0 to 1.0), and default values that are either platform-specific, as is the case with confidence threshold, or just 50. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 14 13:47:23 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02524 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:47:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agq2Y-00006i-SW for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:46:54 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0EIksQL000411 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:46:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agq2Y-00006Y-Pb for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:46:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02517 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agq2W-00022D-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:46:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Agq1f-00021E-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:46:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agq0l-000203-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:45:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agq0j-0008OR-2q; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:45:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agq0Y-0008O9-O2 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:44:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA02465 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:44:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agq0W-0001ys-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:44:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AgpzX-0001xI-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:43:48 -0500 Received: from i3smtp.inin.com ([204.180.46.24] helo=i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AgpyZ-0001vO-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:42:48 -0500 Received: from Unknown [172.16.1.161] by i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (4.7); Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:42:16 -0500 Message-ID: <260A0A30F9017945932CC4F7B911B3390753F2@i3mail1.i3domain.inin.com> From: "Bennett, Patrick" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:42:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values Thread-Index: AcPawB9R3sDCnuJaRmKgsGuQajuRAwADNQPw Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Jeff Kusnitz >Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:50:05 -0800 > >Sections 8.4.2 and 8.4.3 describe the Sensitivity-Level and Speed-vs-Accuracy settings, but they don't specify the ranges nor the default value. To be consistent with=20 >other parameters, might I suggest the range be between 0 and 100 (which maps nicely to VoiceXML 2.0's range of 0.0 to 1.0), and default values that are either platform- >specific, as is the case with confidence threshold, or just 50. If mapping nicely to VoiceXML ranges is desired (it should be), then why not just use 0.0 to 1.0? =20 Separately, the same can be said for confidence thresholds (they should be 0.0 to 1.0 - if a native engine uses 0 to 100, it's an easy translation). Cheers, Patrick Bennett Interactive Intelligence, Inc. _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 17:06:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04452 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:06:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhFcg-0005ps-UK for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:05:55 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0FM5sjK022428 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:05:54 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhFcg-0005pf-RC for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:05:54 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04428 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:05:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhFce-0000So-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:05:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhFbi-0000PG-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:04:55 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhFar-0000MH-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:04:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhFaq-0005jz-DQ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:04:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhFah-0005jS-N9 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:03:51 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA04363 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhFaf-0000LP-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:03:49 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhFZy-0000JA-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:03:07 -0500 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhFZT-0000B4-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:02:35 -0500 Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.195.11]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0FM24lS474646 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:02:04 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0FM24Sp125848 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:02:04 -0700 In-Reply-To: <4A3384433CE2AB46A63468CB207E209DB24112@zoe.office.snowshore.com> To: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: [Speechsc] Vendor-Specific-Parameters X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:02:02 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/15/2004 15:02:03, Serialize complete at 01/15/2004 15:02:03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 As currently defined in both the v1 and the v2 specifications, is allowed in only SET-PARAMS/GET-PARAMS requests and responses. Is this intentional? I can think of instances where I'd like to use this header on other requests (SPEAK, RECOGNIZE, DEFINE-GRAMMAR, etc). I realize I can work around this limitation by calling SET-PARAMS before my SPEAK/RECOGNIZE/etc request with the appropriate vendor-specific-parameter value, and then calling GET-PARAMS afterwards, but that requires three request/responses, rather than one. Thanks, Jeff _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Fri Jan 16 14:24:18 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25320 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:24:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhZZO-0005jg-JF for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:23:50 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0GJNoYS022044 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:23:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhZZO-0005jT-GJ for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:23:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25285 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:23:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhZZG-0007WH-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:23:42 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhZVE-0007KW-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:19:32 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhZSv-0007AO-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:17:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhZSm-0005Qh-FO; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:17:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhZSe-0005QO-6k for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:16:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA25107 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:16:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhZSW-00079P-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:16:44 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhZPx-00071M-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:14:06 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhZN9-0006qk-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:11:11 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0GJAAGN004077; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.32.245.157] (stealth-10-32-245-157.cisco.com [10.32.245.157]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with SMTP id ALM83707; Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:10:05 -0800 (PST) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 14:10:02 -0500 From: David Oran To: Jeff Kusnitz , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Vendor-Specific-Parameters Message-ID: <2147483647.1074262202@[10.32.245.157]> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On Thursday, January 15, 2004 2:02 PM -0800 Jeff Kusnitz wrote: > As currently defined in both the v1 and the v2 specifications, is allowed > in only SET-PARAMS/GET-PARAMS requests and responses. Is this > intentional? I can think of instances where I'd like to use this header > on other requests (SPEAK, RECOGNIZE, DEFINE-GRAMMAR, etc). I realize I > can work around this limitation by calling SET-PARAMS before my > SPEAK/RECOGNIZE/etc request with the appropriate > vendor-specific-parameter value, and then calling GET-PARAMS afterwards, > but that requires three request/responses, rather than one. > the tradeoff seems to be the extra round trip versus the need to deal with extra failure modes of all the other commands on which this could be piggy-backed. One optimization that makes sense to me is to piggyback the param values that would be returned on GET-PARAMS onto the response to the SET-PARAMS request. If the parameters are "sticky" (not clear from teh spec that they are but I would assume so) then the extra round trip isn't terribly painful and it avoids the extra complexity of figuring out how to handle error cases on each request. I don't feel strongly about this, though. Sarvi and others, what do you think? Dave. > Thanks, > Jeff > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Jan 18 12:58:24 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26589 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:58:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiHBN-0007SA-TO for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:57 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0IHvvPQ028646 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:57 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiHBN-0007Rx-Oa for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26580 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiHBL-0000FN-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiHAR-0000D8-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:56:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiHAC-0000BB-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:56:44 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiH9V-0007Ma-Rd; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:56:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiH9Q-0007Lb-Al for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:55:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26540 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiH9O-00009T-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:55:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiH8T-00006V-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:54:57 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiH7m-000023-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:54:14 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0IHrfVO025497 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:53:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (sjc-vpn4-907.cisco.com [10.21.83.138]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALN66439; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:52:30 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:48:46 -0800 From: Cullen Jennings To: SPEECHSC Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Speechsc] Status of NLSML Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What's the status of NLSML since MRCP normatively depends on it? Is there a later version than what is at http://www.w3.org/TR/nl-spec/ ? It looks almost like abandoned work - the draft looks like a pretty rough early draft and was last updated in 2000. Is work proceeding on this? Is there a more recent version I should be reading? Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Sun Jan 18 12:58:25 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26602 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiHBO-0007SU-GW for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:58 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0IHvwsY028664 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:58 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiHBO-0007SF-CB for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26584 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiHBM-0000FT-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:56 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiHAS-0000DH-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:57:00 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiHAC-0000BC-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:56:44 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiH9V-0007MK-I5; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:56:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiH9P-0007LW-Oj for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:55:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA26537 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiH9O-00009N-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:55:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiH8S-00006L-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:54:56 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-1-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.70] helo=sj-iport-1.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiH7l-000023-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 12:54:13 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0IHrfVM025497; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:53:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (sjc-vpn4-907.cisco.com [10.21.83.138]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALN66436; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:52:27 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:15:37 -0800 From: Cullen Jennings To: SPEECHSC , Eric Burger , Dave Oran Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Speechsc] Scope of MRCPv2 Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm trying to figure out the scope of what I should or should not use MRCPv2 for so that I can try and decide what might be missing from it. Consider the use case of an IVR build with a separated media device and controller. The media device plays audio prompts, reports DTMF input up to the controller, can stop audio playback when there is DTMF input, and can record audio it receives to files for later playback. It does not do any TTS, ASR, or speaker verification. Is this a use case we want to solve with MRCPv2 or should a different protocol be used for this? Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 02:06:51 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA27926 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:06:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiTUN-0007br-Mi for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:06:23 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0J76N3Y029243 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:06:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiTUN-0007bT-4H for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:06:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA27305 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:06:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiTUJ-0005xL-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:06:19 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiTTL-0005vA-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:05:20 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiTT6-0005tj-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:05:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiTT3-0006yS-O8; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:05:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiTSN-0006gl-C0 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:04:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA24947 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiTSJ-0005sH-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:04:15 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiTRL-0005pr-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:03:16 -0500 Received: from vtg-um-e2k1.cisco.com ([171.70.93.55] helo=vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiTQP-0005lv-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:02:18 -0500 Received: from cisco.com ([10.21.96.35]) by vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:00:28 -0800 Message-ID: <400B80D8.6090307@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:01:44 -0800 From: Sarvi Shanmugham Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings CC: SPEECHSC , Eric Burger , Dave Oran Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Scope of MRCPv2 References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 07:00:28.0687 (UTC) FILETIME=[EBD9A1F0:01C3DE59] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The requirements you have mentioned have been brought up individually by different people. The DTMF recognition, Prompt playout, and the barge-in scenario are should be possible with MRCPv2. The recording capability is currently not in the draft, but has been brought up in discussions is being worked on. This is now currently available in a MRCPv1 extension draft by Dan Burnett from Nuance. Sarvi Cullen Jennings wrote: >I'm trying to figure out the scope of what I should or should not use MRCPv2 >for so that I can try and decide what might be missing from it. > >Consider the use case of an IVR build with a separated media device and >controller. The media device plays audio prompts, reports DTMF input up to >the controller, can stop audio playback when there is DTMF input, and can >record audio it receives to files for later playback. It does not do any >TTS, ASR, or speaker verification. > >Is this a use case we want to solve with MRCPv2 or should a different >protocol be used for this? > >Thanks, Cullen > > >_______________________________________________ >Speechsc mailing list >Speechsc@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 02:50:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA04510 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiUB3-00004z-GE for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:50:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0J7oT39000301 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:50:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiUB3-0008WQ-2L for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:50:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA04504 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:50:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiUAz-0000Ok-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:50:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiU9z-0000MG-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:49:24 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiU9b-0000KH-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:48:59 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiU9d-0008RO-5F; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:49:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiU8z-0008Ow-Fl for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:48:21 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA04449 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:48:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiU8v-0000IX-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:48:17 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiU7z-0000G2-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:47:19 -0500 Received: from vtg-um-e2k1.cisco.com ([171.70.93.55] helo=vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiU76-0000CL-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 02:46:24 -0500 Received: from cisco.com ([10.21.96.35]) by vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:44:35 -0800 Message-ID: <400B8B2F.5070804@cisco.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 23:45:51 -0800 From: Sarvi Shanmugham Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Cullen Jennings CC: SPEECHSC Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Status of NLSML References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 07:44:35.0859 (UTC) FILETIME=[15B00630:01C3DE60] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Going forward, EMMA is W3C recommendation to replace NLSML. But for now NLSML is expected to be supported for backward compatibility. Sarvi Cullen Jennings wrote: >What's the status of NLSML since MRCP normatively depends on it? Is there a >later version than what is at http://www.w3.org/TR/nl-spec/ ? > >It looks almost like abandoned work - the draft looks like a pretty rough >early draft and was last updated in 2000. Is work proceeding on this? Is >there a more recent version I should be reading? > >Thanks, Cullen > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Speechsc mailing list >Speechsc@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > > > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 11:50:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26805 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:50:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aicap-0004ch-5K for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:39 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JGndnU017771 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:39 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aicap-0004cY-1t for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:39 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA26733 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aican-0003Mq-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:49:37 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AicZ4-00030R-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:47:52 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AicWV-0002RF-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:45:11 -0500 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AicWV-0001Rb-TY for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:45:12 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AicWN-0003mT-46; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:45:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AicVi-0003hr-UG for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:44:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA25803 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:44:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AicVh-0002FA-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:44:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AicPV-0001Cj-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:38:00 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AicGc-0000L1-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:28:46 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AicGC-0000WS-Iw for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:28:20 -0500 Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.12.6/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0JGROQu024425; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:27:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.32.130.45] ([10.32.130.45]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALN99326; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:27:22 -0800 (PST) Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 18:58:11 -0500 From: David Oran To: Jeff Kusnitz , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values Message-ID: <933324102.1074452291@localhost> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0 (Mac OS X) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --On Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:50 PM -0800 Jeff Kusnitz wrote: > Sections 8.4.2 and 8.4.3 describe the Sensitivity-Level and > Speed-vs-Accuracy settings, but they don't specify the ranges nor the > default value. To be consistent with other parameters, might I suggest > the range be between 0 and 100 (which maps nicely to VoiceXML 2.0's range > of 0.0 to 1.0), and default values that are either platform-specific, as > is the case with confidence threshold, or just 50. > > Thanks, > Jeff > Seems reasonable? any objections? Dave. _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 12:18:23 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28365 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:18:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aid2B-0006Qq-JZ for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:17:56 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JHHtip024723 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:17:55 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aid2B-0006Qg-BK for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:17:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28338 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aid24-0005lx-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:17:48 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Aicy0-0005Uj-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:13:38 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aicut-0005Gu-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:10:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AicuY-00067i-HS; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:10:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AictU-00065Z-9L for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:09:01 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA28074 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:08:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AictI-0005Ae-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:08:44 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Aicpk-00051u-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:05:05 -0500 Received: from i3smtp.inin.com ([204.180.46.24] helo=i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aicnj-0004ra-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:03:00 -0500 Received: from Unknown [172.16.1.104] by i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (4.7); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:01:12 -0500 Received: from i3mail.i3domain.inin.com ([172.16.1.160]) by csexchange.i3domain.inin.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5329); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:00:12 -0500 Received: from inin.com ([65.29.74.87]) by i3mail.i3domain.inin.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:00:03 -0500 Message-ID: <400C0D1F.1050800@inin.com> From: Patrick Bennett To: David Oran Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:00:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 17:00:03.0152 (UTC) FILETIME=[AE4D5D00:01C3DEAD] References: <933324102.1074452291@localhost> In-Reply-To: <933324102.1074452291@localhost> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 CC: Jeff Kusnitz , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Oran wrote: > --On Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:50 PM -0800 Jeff Kusnitz > wrote: > >> Sections 8.4.2 and 8.4.3 describe the Sensitivity-Level and >> Speed-vs-Accuracy settings, but they don't specify the ranges nor the >> default value. To be consistent with other parameters, might I suggest >> the range be between 0 and 100 (which maps nicely to VoiceXML 2.0's >> range >> of 0.0 to 1.0), and default values that are either platform-specific, as >> is the case with confidence threshold, or just 50. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff >> > Seems reasonable? any objections? > Dave. This is a draft specification after all, so why not just make some of those other parameters consistent with VoiceXML 2.0 and require 0.0 to 1.0 for all of them (Confidence-Threshold on particular)? Is there really much benefit for a MRCP 'user' in leaving these ranges undefined and vendor-specific? Patrick Bennett _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 13:46:18 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01497 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiePG-0003II-4j for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:50 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JIjoY6012656 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:50 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiePG-0003I3-0f for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:50 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01460 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiePD-0002nt-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:47 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AieOL-0002ju-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:44:53 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AieNU-0002f2-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:44:00 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AieNU-00034n-8e; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:44:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AieN5-00033f-ED for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:43:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01266 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AieN3-0002aT-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:43:33 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AieLf-0002Sq-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:42:09 -0500 Received: from vtg-um-e2k1.cisco.com ([171.70.93.55] helo=vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AieIX-0002F3-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:38:53 -0500 Received: from cisco.com ([10.21.80.96]) by vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:36:34 -0800 Message-ID: <400C23FE.7020007@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:37:50 -0800 From: Sarvi Shanmugham Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Oran CC: Jeff Kusnitz , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values References: <933324102.1074452291@localhost> In-Reply-To: <933324102.1074452291@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 18:36:34.0781 (UTC) FILETIME=[2A61D0D0:01C3DEBB] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am fine wiht either 0.0 to 1.0 or 0 to 100. My leaning is toward keeping the set of header fields that have a parallel in VXML to have the same range and default. The default value is already specified as platform specific, and I would prefer to leave it as is, since different reco vendors have different default values or for that matter different charactersitics for the range of values. Sarvi David Oran wrote: > --On Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:50 PM -0800 Jeff Kusnitz > wrote: > >> Sections 8.4.2 and 8.4.3 describe the Sensitivity-Level and >> Speed-vs-Accuracy settings, but they don't specify the ranges nor the >> default value. To be consistent with other parameters, might I suggest >> the range be between 0 and 100 (which maps nicely to VoiceXML 2.0's >> range >> of 0.0 to 1.0), and default values that are either platform-specific, as >> is the case with confidence threshold, or just 50. >> >> Thanks, >> Jeff >> > Seems reasonable? any objections? > Dave. > > > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc > _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 14:42:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04164 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifHI-0007Nv-T4 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:41:41 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JJfexI028379 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:41:40 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifHI-0007Ne-Ov for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:41:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04144 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifHB-0007AY-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:41:33 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AifCz-0006sL-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:14 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifA2-0006c4-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:34:10 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aif9s-0006lY-Jt; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:34:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Aif9I-0006j2-Hz for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:33:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03822 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aif95-0006XW-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:33:12 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Aif51-0006Gt-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:29:00 -0500 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aif0T-0005pd-00; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:24:23 -0500 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0JJMkRg461314; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:22:56 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0JJMZvB096980; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:22:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: <400C23FE.7020007@cisco.com> To: Sarvi Shanmugham Cc: David Oran , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" , speechsc-admin@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:22:30 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/19/2004 12:22:35, Serialize complete at 01/19/2004 12:22:35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 The problem with using the same values as VoiceXML uses is that VoiceXML values are 0.0 to 1.0, while MRCP are defined to be integer (the production for them is "1*DIGIT CRLF"). Confidence-level is specified in MRCP already as 0-100, while the VoiceXML counterpart is 0.0-1.0. Thanks, Jeff > I am fine with either 0.0 to 1.0 or 0 to 100. My leaning is toward > keeping the set of header fields that have a parallel in VXML to have > the same range and default. > The default value is already specified as platform specific, and I would > prefer to leave it as is, since different reco vendors have different > default values or for that matter different charactersitics for the > range of values. _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 14:43:20 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04337 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:43:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifIT-0007Qs-R6 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:53 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JJgrEZ028564 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifIT-0007Qd-Kf for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04271 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifIQ-0007OP-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:50 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AifHb-0007Ep-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:42:01 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifE2-0006vh-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:38:18 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifDk-0007Aq-QF; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:38:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifD8-00071O-VZ for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03988 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifCw-0006rP-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:37:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Aif9y-0006cw-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:34:07 -0500 Received: from i3smtp.inin.com ([204.180.46.24] helo=i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Aif6Q-0006Ik-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:30:26 -0500 Received: from Unknown [172.16.1.60] by i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (4.7); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:29:10 -0500 Received: from i3mail.i3domain.inin.com ([172.16.1.160]) by EAExchange.i3domain.inin.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:28:54 -0500 Received: from inin.com ([65.29.74.87]) by i3mail.i3domain.inin.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:28:54 -0500 Message-ID: <400C3004.9080808@inin.com> From: Patrick Bennett To: Sarvi Shanmugham Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:29:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en-us, en X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jan 2004 19:28:54.0536 (UTC) FILETIME=[79D26880:01C3DEC2] References: <933324102.1074452291@localhost> <400C23FE.7020007@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <400C23FE.7020007@cisco.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 CC: David Oran , Jeff Kusnitz , "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" , "Wyss, Felix" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm pretty late in the MRCP process so I'm sorry if this comes across as rude, but, what is the point of a vendor-neutral protocol like MRCP if an MRCP-client has to always be aware of the vendor which it is communicating with? Wouldn't it make more sense to define a required value range and have the vendors provide a reasonable mapping? Considering Nuance typically uses 0 to 100 and SpeechWorks/VXML uses 0.0 to 1.0, why not just use 0.0 to 1.0 and have Nuance (or other vendors) do the mapping in their MRCP servers? The 0 to 1 range (good or not) definitely seems to be a bit more 'standard' (if there can be such a thing). Providing so many opening for vendor specific interpretations severely (at least IMO) undermines the usefulness of MRCP. Sarvi Shanmugham wrote: > I am fine wiht either 0.0 to 1.0 or 0 to 100. My leaning is toward > keeping the set of header fields that have a parallel in VXML to have > the same range and default. > The default value is already specified as platform specific, and I > would prefer to leave it as is, since different reco vendors have > different default values or for that matter different charactersitics > for the range of values. > > Sarvi > > David Oran wrote: > >> --On Tuesday, January 13, 2004 3:50 PM -0800 Jeff Kusnitz >> wrote: >> >>> Sections 8.4.2 and 8.4.3 describe the Sensitivity-Level and >>> Speed-vs-Accuracy settings, but they don't specify the ranges nor the >>> default value. To be consistent with other parameters, might I suggest >>> the range be between 0 and 100 (which maps nicely to VoiceXML 2.0's >>> range >>> of 0.0 to 1.0), and default values that are either >>> platform-specific, as >>> is the case with confidence threshold, or just 50. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jeff >>> >> Seems reasonable? any objections? >> Dave. >> _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 14:52:16 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04608 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifR7-0007vN-Fn for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:51:49 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JJpnge030455 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:51:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifR7-0007v7-CW for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:51:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04591 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:51:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifR4-0000Co-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:51:46 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AifQB-00009F-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:50:51 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifPO-00005t-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:50:02 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifPO-0007ec-Ng; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:50:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AifP6-0007dW-FR for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:49:44 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA04555 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:49:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifP3-00003S-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:49:41 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AifO8-0007nq-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:48:45 -0500 Received: from i3smtp.inin.com ([204.180.46.24] helo=i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AifNE-0007i2-00; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:47:48 -0500 Received: from Unknown [172.16.1.161] by i3smtp.i3domain.inin.com - SurfControl E-mail Filter (4.7); Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:47:06 -0500 Message-ID: <8F9F1C6AA1D6834EACC379C8821533A6073C62@i3mail1.i3domain.inin.com> From: "Wyss, Felix" To: "Jeff Kusnitz" , "Sarvi Shanmugham" Cc: "David Oran" , "IETF SPEECHSC \(E-mail\)" , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:47:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.6944.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity Threshold values Thread-Index: AcPew1VNVBKeq535SGmilk2bdAmqCQAAC3Mw Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A range of 0...100 seems very arbitrary and limits the possible precision (not that this matters in this case, but nevertheless). Why not 0...1000 or 0...1000000? In my opinion, either the range should be 0.0 to 1.0 with arbitrary precision or the value should always be sent with the upper bound (i.e. as fraction), for example: "12/100", "437/1000" --Felix > -----Original Message----- > From: speechsc-admin@ietf.org=20 > [mailto:speechsc-admin@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Kusnitz > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 14:23 > To: Sarvi Shanmugham > Cc: David Oran; IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail); speechsc-admin@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Speed vs Accuracy and Sensitivity=20 > Threshold values >=20 > The problem with using the same values as VoiceXML uses is=20 > that VoiceXML values are 0.0 to 1.0, while MRCP are defined=20 > to be integer (the production for them is "1*DIGIT CRLF"). =20 > Confidence-level is specified in MRCP already as 0-100, while=20 > the VoiceXML counterpart is 0.0-1.0. >=20 > Thanks, > Jeff >=20 >=20 > > I am fine with either 0.0 to 1.0 or 0 to 100. My leaning is toward=20 > > keeping the set of header fields that have a parallel in=20 > VXML to have=20 > > the same range and default. > > The default value is already specified as platform specific, and I=20 > > would >=20 > > prefer to leave it as is, since different reco vendors have=20 > different=20 > > default values or for that matter different charactersitics for the=20 > > range of values. >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Speechsc mailing list > Speechsc@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc >=20 >=20 _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 16:54:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10277 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:54:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AihLQ-0006pM-4K for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:54:04 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JLs4w6026244 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:54:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AihLQ-0006pD-17 for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:54:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10233 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AihLE-0000Ea-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:53:52 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AihIQ-00005a-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:50:59 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AihHc-000016-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:50:08 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AihHY-0006cb-2z; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:50:04 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AihHN-0006bW-7b for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:49:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA10077 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AihHL-0007mb-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:49:51 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AihGR-0007ix-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:48:56 -0500 Received: from e35.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.133]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AihFX-0007cO-00; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:48:04 -0500 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e35.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0JLl9Rg426908; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 16:47:19 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0JLkvvB037816; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:46:58 -0700 In-Reply-To: <2147483647.1074262202@[10.32.245.157]> To: David Oran Cc: "IETF SPEECHSC (E-mail)" , speechsc-admin@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Vendor-Specific-Parameters X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:46:38 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/19/2004 14:46:58, Serialize complete at 01/19/2004 14:46:58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SUBJ_HAS_UNIQ_ID autolearn=no version=2.60 You bring up an interesting point on the stickiness.. In a couple of places, a distinction is made between values sent on a SET-PARAMS request vs other. For example, in cache-control (5.4.11), it says this: If the directives are sent on a SET-PARAMS method, it SHOULD apply for all requests for documents the media server may make in that session. If the directives are sent on any other messages they MUST only apply to document requests the media server needs to make for that method. And similarly, in voice-parameters (7.4.5): These header fields MAY BE sent in SET-PARAMS/GET-PARAMS request to define/get default values for the entire session or MAY BE sent in the SPEAK request to define default values for that speak request. Further more these attributes can be part of the speech text marked up in SML. I had assumed (oopsie?) that this would be applicable in all places - a value set via SET-PARAMS is retained for the duration of a session, while a value set on some other request was valid only for that request. It seemed fairly natural as well, but perhaps it should be spelled out in the SET-PARAMS sections? Jeff > > As currently defined in both the v1 and the v2 specifications, is allowed > > in only SET-PARAMS/GET-PARAMS requests and responses. Is this > > intentional? I can think of instances where I'd like to use this header > > on other requests (SPEAK, RECOGNIZE, DEFINE-GRAMMAR, etc). I realize I > > can work around this limitation by calling SET-PARAMS before my > > SPEAK/RECOGNIZE/etc request with the appropriate > > vendor-specific-parameter value, and then calling GET-PARAMS afterwards, > > but that requires three request/responses, rather than one. > > > the tradeoff seems to be the extra round trip versus the need to deal with > extra failure modes of all the other commands on which this could be > piggy-backed. One optimization that makes sense to me is to piggyback the > param values that would be returned on GET-PARAMS onto the response to the > SET-PARAMS request. > > If the parameters are "sticky" (not clear from teh spec that they are but I > would assume so) then the extra round trip isn't terribly painful and it > avoids the extra complexity of figuring out how to handle error cases on > each request. > > I don't feel strongly about this, though. Sarvi and others, what do you > think? _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 20 10:07:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02554 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:07:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AixTT-0003OS-FL for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:07:27 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0KF7RBD013041 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:07:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AixTT-0003OG-6A for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:07:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02540 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AixTR-0004Ue-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:07:25 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AixSV-0004SC-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:06:28 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AixSD-0004Ps-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:06:09 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AixS9-0002nc-ME; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:06:05 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AixRX-0002e0-F1 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:05:27 -0500 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA02456; Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:05:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200401201505.KAA02456@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: speechsc@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:05:23 -0500 Subject: [Speechsc] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=AWL,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Speech Services Control Working Group of the IETF. Title : Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2(MRCPv2) Author(s) : S. Shanmugham Filename : draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt Pages : 88 Date : 2004-1-19 This document describes a proposal for a Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2(MRCPv2) and aims to meet the requirements specified in the SPEECHSC working group requirements document. It is based on the Media Resource Control Protocol (MRCP), also called MRCPv1 developed jointly by Cisco Systems, Inc., Nuance Communications, and Speechworks Inc. The MRCPv2 protocol will control media service resources like speech synthesizers, recognizers, signal generators, signal detectors, fax servers etc. over a network. This protocol depends on a session management protocol such as the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) to establish a separate MRCPv2 control session between the client and the media server. It also depends on SIP to establish the media pipe and associated parameters between the media source or sink and the media server. Once this is done, the MRCPv2 protocol exchange can happen over the control session established above allowing the client to command and control the media processing resources that may exist on the media server. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. 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This draft is a work item of the Speech Services Control Working Group of the IETF. Title : Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2(MRCPv2) Author(s) : S. Shanmugham Filename : draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt Pages : 88 Date : 2004-1-19 This document describes a proposal for a Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2(MRCPv2) and aims to meet the requirements specified in the SPEECHSC working group requirements document. It is based on the Media Resource Control Protocol (MRCP), also called MRCPv1 developed jointly by Cisco Systems, Inc., Nuance Communications, and Speechworks Inc. The MRCPv2 protocol will control media service resources like speech synthesizers, recognizers, signal generators, signal detectors, fax servers etc. over a network. This protocol depends on a session management protocol such as the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) to establish a separate MRCPv2 control session between the client and the media server. It also depends on SIP to establish the media pipe and associated parameters between the media source or sink and the media server. Once this is done, the MRCPv2 protocol exchange can happen over the control session established above allowing the client to command and control the media processing resources that may exist on the media server. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the messag= e. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the usern= ame "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 09:34:56 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23129 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJR6-0005oQ-LL for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:28 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0LEYS09022342 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:28 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJR6-0005oG-BN for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:28 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23068 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJQz-0000i3-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:21 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJPo-0000VE-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:33:08 -0500 Received: from [65.246.255.50] (helo=mx2.foretec.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJOC-0000E4-02 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:31:28 -0500 Received: from optimus22.ietf.org ([132.151.6.22] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by mx2.foretec.com with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AjJ7O-0004ev-J3 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:14:06 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJ7L-0004HV-Bo; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:14:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJ6g-0004Do-2f for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:13:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21720 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJ6e-0006xU-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:13:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJ5j-0006pZ-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:12:23 -0500 Received: from namasmtp01.nmss.com ([63.163.229.7] helo=nmss.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJ4Z-0006hu-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:11:11 -0500 Received: from ([208.236.204.65]) by namasmtp01.nmss.com with SMTP ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:10:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from namasmtp02.nmss.com by [208.236.204.65] via smtpd (for [208.236.204.7]) with SMTP; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:10:16 -0500 X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 To: Message-ID: From: "Lawrence Reisler" Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:09:31 +0200 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on NAMASMTP02/NMS Communications(Release 5.0.12 |February 13, 2003) at 01/21/2004 09:10:33 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Speechsc] VoiceXML fetchaudiominimum Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Given the current draft spec (draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01), I was wondering how the VoiceXML fetcaudiominimum property could be implemented. This requires a prompt, once it has begun, to play a minimum number of seconds before completing. You could in theory, use the CONTROL method to modify the Speak-Length parameter when the fetch completes, but according to the spec the length of time is "relative to the current speaking point in the currently active SPEAK request" as opposed to an absolute length from the beginning of the prompt. Thanks, Larry _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 09:38:35 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23474 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJUd-0006OG-MM for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:07 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0LEc7U1024548 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:07 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJUc-0006Nr-Rk for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23369 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJUb-00017k-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:05 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJTb-00010U-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:37:04 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJSd-0000tw-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:36:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJSc-0005x0-H6; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:36:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJRy-0005u2-F2 for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:35:22 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23157 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:35:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJRw-0000r1-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:35:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJRI-0000k9-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:34:41 -0500 Received: from e32.co.us.ibm.com ([32.97.110.130]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJQ6-0000Sf-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:33:27 -0500 Received: from westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.32]) by e32.co.us.ibm.com (8.12.10/8.12.2) with ESMTP id i0LEWZo1310038 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:32:45 -0500 Received: from d03nm120.boulder.ibm.com (d03av02.boulder.ibm.com [9.17.193.82]) by westrelay04.boulder.ibm.com (8.12.10/NCO/VER6.6) with ESMTP id i0LEWOEA075348 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 07:32:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: speechsc@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [Speechsc] VoiceXML fetchaudiominimum X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 6.0.2CF1 June 9, 2003 From: Jeff Kusnitz Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 06:32:21 -0800 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on D03NM120/03/M/IBM(Release 6.0.2CF2|July 23, 2003) at 01/21/2004 07:32:24, Serialize complete at 01/21/2004 07:32:24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.60 I confess I've not read the new draft, but I don't see why this isn't something the client would handle on it's own - just start playing the fetchaudio, making a note of the time, and when the fetch completes, if fetchaudiominimum has not yet elapsed wait until it has and then issue a STOP request. Or make it simpler and don't even bother with the TTS resource. Playing an audio file is something the client (or a generic audio playing resource) could handle on it's own.. Jeff "Lawrence Reisler" wrote on 01/21/2004 06:09:31 AM: > > Given the current draft spec (draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-01), I was > wondering how the VoiceXML fetcaudiominimum property could be implemented. > This requires a prompt, once it has begun, to play a minimum number of > seconds before completing. > > You could in theory, use the CONTROL method to modify the Speak-Length > parameter when the fetch completes, but according to the spec the length of > time is "relative to the current speaking point in the currently active > SPEAK request" as opposed to an absolute length from the beginning of the > prompt. > > Thanks, > Larry _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 22 10:25:21 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24362 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjghR-0003cB-Tx for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:24:54 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0MFOrQ2013888 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:24:53 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjghR-0003bv-Oq for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:24:53 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA24320 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:24:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjghK-0006fU-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:24:46 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Ajgd6-0006Wb-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:20:25 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Ajgb9-0006OG-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:18:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Ajgan-0002Lg-13; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:18:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjgZy-0002B7-0m for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:17:10 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA23854 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:17:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjgZq-0006M9-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:17:02 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjgWk-0006EK-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:13:51 -0500 Received: from sj-iport-2-in.cisco.com ([171.71.176.71] helo=sj-iport-2.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjgUS-00066Z-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:11:28 -0500 Received: from sj-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.177.237) by sj-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2004 07:14:12 +0000 Received: from mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (IDENT:mirapoint@mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com [171.71.163.15]) by sj-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.9/8.12.6) with ESMTP id i0MFAUNM025968; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:10:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from [128.107.171.228] ([128.107.171.228]) by mira-sjc5-e.cisco.com (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 3.3.6-GR) with ESMTP id ALQ82476; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:10:30 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.4.030702.0 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 07:10:30 -0800 From: Cullen Jennings To: SPEECHSC , Sarvi Shanmugham Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Speechsc] mrcpv2-01 comments Sender: speechsc-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: speechsc-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: speechsc@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Speech Services Control Working Group List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, let me say I like it, thanks for all the hard work in. A bunch of these comments may be that I just don't understand it well enough but here are some thoughts/questions .... When a devices fetches some document, when does it get rid of it. Confusing how it is decided what parameters get set in SSML and what in MRCP and what can be done in both. I don't really like the both solutions. No audioplayer definition. Section 2.2 Doe the user need to be mrcpv2 or is this just an example Section 3.1, example 1, why bother opening a session before getting any resources on it. Section 3.2 - defines resource type of audioplayer but this is not defined in the document Why did you pick a port of 9 when the port was unknown. Seems like 0 or 2^16-1 would be better? If the server is on the inside of a NAT and the client on the outside, can all of this work? Seems like you want the MRCPv2 control channel to open the other direction. Example 3 I'm a little confused on how the listen ports on the TCP stuff work - particularly when there are multiple of them. If I get two m control lines that both have 32416 as the listen port at the far side, does that mean I form two TCP connection to a TCP server listening on that port or I always use one if it is the same port. If an app was talking to multiple things, would it need to listen on a bunch of different TCP ports. It might be fine how this all works but I think a little more text is needed. Section 3.3 Why invent cmid, couldn't you just reuse mid. Section 5 Why do you need to discuss character sets such as ISO 8859-1. Seems like saying UTF-8 would be enough. It looks like the grammar is set up such there is no easy way to tell if a start-line is a request-line, event-line, or response-line when parsing. I think this needs to be fixed either by changing the ABNF or changing the syntax. Section 5.4 I think line folding is an awful idea, slows down parsers, adds many bugs, and has no known useful purpose. The fact that other IETF protocols do is not a known useful purpose. Allowing both a Header: a,b,c syntax and a multiple Headers of same type was a bad idea in SIP (see above comment) - I would pick one or the other. Content-Base: Do you really need to support relative URL at this level? I understand some specific XML body having a base but can't you just use absolute URLs at the MRCPv2 level. It's hard to get all the relative stuff correct particularly when you have ACL based on URL. Content-Encoding: Add that binary MUST be supported and base64 SHOULD NOT be used. This is a 8bit safe transport. Logging-tag - I can't decide if I love this or think it is goofy. Section 7 - point 2 says basicsynth but I think you called it simplesynth in section 3.2 Kill-On-Barge-In - Do you also need some sort of pause-on-barge When it is a numeric-speech-unit, what is the unit? If undefined, add text to explain. page 31 - Prosody Parameters - do we really need this here if it is also in SSML. Page 51 Waveform-URL: What format. There are tons of various formats I can put in .wav file - I would rather not use file extensions to figure out formats. DTMF-Term-Char - I don't get this. This is something like # after typing in a PIN. This and the DTMF inter digit stuff seem like they should be in the reco grammar not the MRCP. Page 57 Can you use a cid URL instead of making up the session URL. Section 8.8 - if a grammar is compiled, how long is it kept Section 11 - Is this normative or not. If it conflicts with text which one is definitive. Some minor NITS Lots of formatting issues. Abstract probably does not need companies that developed MRCPv1. All the example domain names need to be moved to example.com or such Section 4 - after defining HX.Y notation, I don't think you use it Section 6 - bunch of Word got you with " formatting issues. Section 7 - this would be better drawn as a state machine instead of as a flow. I am glad to send ASCII art if you want. Page 32 - top - have SML when I think you mean SSML Page 34 - "A - value" might be better to say "A negative value" Page 58 - example 2. Has session URL to local content but that is not shown in the example. Page 59 - reference to NLSML has ref number of 11 but in the bibliography it is 12. Section 10 #4 should move to 3261 #8 to #14 have the word " problems Page 83 - delta-seconds does not seem to be defined Page 86 numeric-speech-length (and a bunch of others) are redefines of stuff on page 85 Nice work, Easy to read, Thanks, Cullen _______________________________________________ Speechsc mailing list Speechsc@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Jan 27 17:38:30 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27581 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:38:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlbqN-0000qD-A4 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:38:03 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0RMc3aN003227 for speechsc-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:38:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlbqN-0000py-5r for speechsc-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:38:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27547 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlbqK-0006lU-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:38:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AlbpM-0006gu-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:37:03 -0500 Received: from [132.151.1.19] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlboR-0006cx-00 for speechsc-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:36:03 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlboO-0000T4-To; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:36:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlbnT-0000Rr-Pf for speechsc@optimus.ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:35:03 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA27482 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:35:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlbnR-0006YB-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:35:01 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AlbmY-0006Uk-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:34:08 -0500 Received: from vtg-um-e2k1.cisco.com ([171.70.93.55] helo=vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Alblm-0006Ok-00 for speechsc@ietf.org; Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:33:18 -0500 Received: from cisco.com ([10.32.130.132]) by vtg-um-e2k1.sj21ad.cisco.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:31:24 -0800 Message-ID: <4016E70C.4010407@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:32:44 -0800 From: Sarvi Shanmugham Organization: Cisco Systems Inc. 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Cullen Jennings wrote: >First, let me say I like it, thanks for all the hard work in. A bunch of >these comments may be that I just don't understand it well enough but here >are some thoughts/questions .... > >When a devices fetches some document, when does it get rid of it. > At least for ASR grammar URI and TTS content URI that is referred/fetched, The client can specify caching parameters for the session and the server is supposed to honor and it decide when to get rid of the document from the server cache. For content that is created/stored on the server as a result of commands such as RECORD, is deleted at the end of the session. Note that we should also have the option to specify an external URI for recording in which case it doesn't get deleted by the server at the end of the session and it left to the client to manage. >Confusing how it is decided what parameters get set in SSML and what in MRCP >and what can be done in both. I don't really like the both solutions. > Most of the SSML parameters such as prosody, etc are available in MRCP as headers. but the values specified in SSML take precendence. The MRCP header fields allows the client to specify what thedefaultvalues are if the SSML document doesn't specify it or if the document is not SSML(say plain text). >No audioplayer definition. > Section 3.2 defines it. Secition 7.0 describes this. Its essentially a synethsizer that supports only the