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This is good constructive criticism IMO. Minor comments inline.

Dave

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From: "Andrew Wahbe" <awahbe@voicegenie.com>
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Subject: [speechsc] Requests for Clarification


> The VoiceXML Forum MRCP Liaison Committee is currently evaluating the
> latest MRCP v2 draft to (a) evaluate the compatibility between MRCP v2
> and VoiceXML and (b) generate test assertions for MRCP v2 based VoiceXML
> browsers and MRCP v2 based media resources. We are currently examining
> the Speech Synthesis portion of the specification and have raised issues
> with the specification in prior emails to the SpeechSC list (See
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/speechsc/current/msg01605.html
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/speechsc/current/msg01606.html
> and http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/speechsc/current/msg01607.html ).
>
> These issues (and the responses to them) have been discussed by the MRCP
> Liaison Committee and we would like to make the following requests and
> suggestions:
>
> 1) The relationship between the Fetch Hint header and the Audio Fetch
> Hint header should be clarified. More specifically, it should be stated
> that, when specified, the Audio Fetch Hint header overrides the Fetch
> Hint header for audio files only.
> 2) It should be clarified that  SPEAK completion code 003 "uri-failure"
> only applies to  fetched SSML files and that  failure to fetch (or
> process) an audio file will not result in aborting the SPEAK request.
> This does mean, however, that there is no way to communicate the failure
> to fetch (or process) the audio file to the MRCP client. While SSML
> requires that the processor "notify the hosting environment" when such a
> failure occurs, the members of the committee agree that logging this
> event at the MRCP server is sufficient. It may be advisable for the MRCP
> specification to suggest that these events should be logged in some way.
> We would also like to suggest that future versions of MRCP consider
> adding an event (e.g. "Audio-Exception") to notify the MRCP client that
> such a failure has occurred without aborting the SPEAK request.
>
> 3) The definition of the Basic Synthesizer resources is a bit vague and
> should be clarified. Its not entirely clear from the description in the
> spec how it is supposed to work. The general consensus in the Committee
> is that this resource can be used for audio only prompts. It is supposed
> to accept a subset of SSML that only includes <speak><audio><say-as> and
> <mark>. What isn't clear, is how <say-as> is supposed to work in this
> case and if text strings are acceptable (you would think no if it wasn't
> for <say-as> being allowed). It may also be reasonable to make <mark>
> optional; a VoiceXML 2.0 browser certainly wouldn't need it anyway. We
> find that clarifications are needed in order to make any assertions on
> how a VoiceXML browser would use a basicsynth resource in an
> implementation.

DB> My understanding is that basicsynth can process a small subset of 
platform-independent tokens by replacing them with corresponding 
concatenated audio files (e.g. basic synth might process <speak> 1 2 
</speak> as <speak><audio src="1.wav"/><audio src="2.wav"/></speak>). I am 
fine with a definition that doesn't allow this. However, regardless, I agree 
that <say-as> should be removed from basicsynth's definition since 
processing of <say-as> is not "basic".

>
> A final issue worth noting is that the maxage and maxstale cache control
> headers are global in MRCP while VoiceXML breaks this down by resource
> type (e.g. audiomaxage, audiomaxstale, grammarmaxage, grammarmaxstale,
> etc.). This may be acceptable because the context of each request should
> govern the type of file to which these headers apply. i.e. in a SPEAK
> request the control audio file fetches and in RECOGNIZE requests they
> control grammar file fetches. As we continue to evaluate the spec we
> will keep our eyes open for scenarios where this does not hold. Thus, we
> are not requesting any changes related to this issue at this time.
>
> Related to the above issue is the fact that the <audio> tag in VoiceXML
> extends the attributes defined in SSML by adding maxstale, maxage,
> fetchtimeout, and fetchhint (it also adds expr but that "evaluates away"
> to src). These fetch-related headers override their associated
> properties. Unfortunately, since MRCP is based on SSML, these attributes
> cannot be included in an MRCP request; instead, the associated headers
> would need to be set to control this behavior. This obviously introduces
> a problem if a request contains two <audio> tags that had these
> attributes set differently in the original VoiceXML document.
>
> It would seem that one way to address this problem is to break apart an
> SSML prompt so that each audio file is sent in its own request.
> Unfortunately, Issue (2) from above prevents this solution from working.
> Consider a prompt with alternate audio files such as: <audio
> maxstale="A" src="A.wav"><audio maxstale="B" src="B.wav"/></audio> where
> maxstale values A and B are not the same. These files can't be sent as
> part of the same request due to their maxstale values. However, if they
> are sent as part of separate requests, the client would need to know if
> A.wav could not be fetched in order to decide if it should request for
> B.wav to be played. But as discussed above, there is no way for the
> client to know this. The MRCP Liaison Committee believes that the best
> way for this to be addressed is to make a request to the W3C Voice
> Browser Working Group to add these attributes to the audio tag in SSML.
> Again, we are not requesting any changes to MRCP related to this issue.

DB> Fully agree that maxage, maxstale, fetchtimeout ought to be in SSML's 
definition of <audio>. A short issue note in MRCPv2 wouldn't hurt (e.g. our 
speechsynth resource has extended SSML with these attributes).

>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew Wahbe
> VoiceXML Forum MRCP Liaison Committee
>


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Status code 503 is defined as=20

 Proxy Timeout.  The MRCP Proxy did not receive a =20
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What's an MRCP Proxy (i.e. please define it)? Proxy placed between MRCP =
client and media resource server to act as a media resource broker?

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We don't seem to be specifying errors for GET-PARAMS. Suggest adding =
(i.e. this is presumably the intent):

 If some of the headers being retrieved are unsupported for the =
resource,
 the server MUST reject the request with a 403 Unsupported Header.=20
 Such a response MUST include the (empty) unsupported headers
 exactly as they were sent from the client.

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Subject: [Speechsc] Some doubts on draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-09.txt
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Hello, all,
    I'm a newcomer of SPEECHSC work group and also MRCPv2 protocol. I
have read the draft (draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-09.txt) and have some
doubts want to get some clarification.
    1. In MRCP messages, including request, response and event packets,
there is a field called "message-length". I want to know why put it here
but not using some other technologies like TPKT to resolve such a
problem? I think there are some disadvantages in using of this appoaches
because the receiver of the message must do partial parsing then know
get it. Why not add a seperator between messages? In the seperator, you
can define a field "message-length" to take the length. Because it can
be encoding in binary mode, the receiver can extract such informations
easier.
    2. Why not make the 3 types of messages looks more uniform?
        request-line   =    mrcp-version SP message-length SP
method-name
                       SP request-id CRLF
        response-line  =    mrcp-version SP message-length SP request-id
                                    SP status-code SP request-state CRLF
        event-line       =  mrcp-version SP message-length SP event-name
                                    SP request-id SP request-state CRLF
        Because all the messages will take mrcp-version, message-length,
request-id and channel identifier, why not put them together in the
beginning of the message but define a different format for each type?
    3. Why select ABNF but not some binary message format? Forgive me
for such a stupid question but I don't think there are any advantage for
MRCP protocol.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Rocky Wang



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Present in Section 6.2.5 but not in ABNF.

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Dave:

These are some very good issues.  Is there any document that is=20
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-=3D- Jerry

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These are some very good issues.  Is there any document that is
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-=3D- Jerry


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We have a tracker at https://www.softarmor.com/roundup/speechsc/

Sarvi's been a little slow at keeping it updated though...

If this stuff isn't in there feel free to add it.

Dave.

On Feb 17, 2006, at 4:46 PM, Jerry Carter wrote:

> Dave:
>
> These are some very good issues.  Is there any document that is  
> tracking the issues that have been identified with MRCP v2?  I'd  
> hate to lose track.
>
> -=- Jerry
>
> On Feb 17, 2006, at 11:37 AM, Dave Burke wrote:
>
>> There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see http:// 
>> www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/)
>>
>> That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But why haven't  
>> we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the recognizer?
>>
>> Dave
>>
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Draft 9 is missing the referenced tables in "Note" sections of 8.2 and 
8.3.

8.2.  Synthesizer Methods

   The synthesizer supports the following methods.

   synthesizer-method   =  "SPEAK"             ; A
                        /  "STOP"              ; B
                        /  "PAUSE"             ; C
                        /  "RESUME"            ; D
                        /  "BARGE-IN-OCCURRED" ; E
                        /  "CONTROL"           ; F
                        /  "DEFINE-LEXICON"    ; G

   Note: the letters A-G in the above list match the corresponding
         column in the required/optional header table below

8.3.  Synthesizer Events

   The synthesizer may generate the following events.

   synthesizer-event    =  "SPEECH-MARKER"     ; H
                        /  "SPEAK-COMPLETE"    ; I

   Note: the letters H-I in the above list match the corresponding
         column in the required/optional header table below


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The referenced table was removed in one of the earlier drafts based on
feed back.
The Note needs to be removed and will be taken care of in the next
revision.

Thanks,
Sarvi=20

     -----Original Message-----
     From: Brett Gavagni [mailto:gavagni@us.ibm.com]=20
     Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:55 AM
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     Draft 9 is missing the referenced tables in "Note"=20
     sections of 8.2 and 8.3.
    =20
     8.2.  Synthesizer Methods
    =20
        The synthesizer supports the following methods.
    =20
        synthesizer-method   =3D  "SPEAK"             ; A
                             /  "STOP"              ; B
                             /  "PAUSE"             ; C
                             /  "RESUME"            ; D
                             /  "BARGE-IN-OCCURRED" ; E
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                             /  "DEFINE-LEXICON"    ; G
    =20
        Note: the letters A-G in the above list match the corresponding
              column in the required/optional header table below
    =20
     8.3.  Synthesizer Events
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        The synthesizer may generate the following events.
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                             /  "SPEAK-COMPLETE"    ; I
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        Note: the letters H-I in the above list match the corresponding
              column in the required/optional header table below
    =20
    =20
     Thanks,
    =20
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     http://www-306.ibm.com/software/pervasive/voice_server/
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DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer resource because it was
proposed relatively recently on the alias.=20
I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized resource.
=20
The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to go last call with
the next version. So I would like to keep new additions to the
specification to a minimum.
=20
But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already defined for the
synthesizer resource.=20
I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer resources as well,
as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting those sections.
=20
If I understand this correctly, all this will need is to add support for
the following headers, methods and message bodies as currently defined
to the Recognition section.
=20
8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
8.5.2. Lexicon Data
8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON
=20
If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that could be done in the
next version of the document.
=20
Let me know if this addresses your concern.
=20
Thanks,
Sarvi
=20


________________________________

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	Subject: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons
=09
=09
	There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/)
	=20
	That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But why
haven't we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the recognizer?
	=20
	Dave
	=20
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class=3D570161400-23022006>DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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class=3D570161400-23022006>The Spec is nearing completion and we would =
like to go=20
last call with the next version. So I would like to keep new additions =
to the=20
specification to a minimum.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D570161400-23022006>But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is =
already=20
defined for the synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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class=3D570161400-23022006>I could convinced to add support for it on =
Recognizer=20
resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting =
those=20
sections.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D570161400-23022006>If I understand this correctly, all&nbsp;this =
will need=20
is to add support for the following headers, methods and message bodies =
as=20
currently defined to the Recognition section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><U></U><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
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Data</FONT></U></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT color=3D#0000ff><FONT =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D570161400-23022006></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr>8.14.  DEFINE-LEXICON</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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that=20
could be done in the next version of the document.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D570161400-23022006>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D570161400-23022006>Sarvi</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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  [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is an upcoming lexicon format =
from the W3C=20
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p://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/</A>)</FONT></DI=
V>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That will work nicely with =
speechsynth resources.=20
  But why haven't we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the=20
  recognizer?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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Will fix in the next release. Added to the issue tracker.
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Will make the edit. Added to issue tracker.
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Makes sense.=20
The same error codes and handling as defined for SET-PARAMS will be
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	We don't seem to be specifying errors for GET-PARAMS. Suggest
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This sounds like a reasonable clarification. I will add it to the issue
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If no one has any objections to this proposal this can be brought into
the next revision of the draft.
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Sarvi


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=09
=09
	The language in Section 4.2 is misleading with respect to the
possible answerer options for the connection attribute (see RFC 4145).
Suggest changing
	=20
	   The server MAY respond with a value of
	   "existing" if prefers to share an existing connection or can
answer
	   with a value of "new", in which case the client MUST initiate
a new
	   transport connection.
	=20
	to
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	   If the client specifies a value of "new", the server MUST
respond
	   with a value of "new".=20
	=20
	   If the client specifies a value of "existing", the server MAY
respond
	   with a value of  "existing" if it prefers to share an
existing connection
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MUST
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Will fix this. Added to issue tracker.
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	Hi,
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	in draft 09, 10.4.8 says that Media Type is mandatory in a
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	there are several cut and paste errors in the examples in
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Will fix. Added to issue tracker.
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Will update the next next draft with the suggested clarifications.
Adding this thread to the issue tracker list.

See Inline.=20

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     [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Wahbe
     Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 2:03 PM
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     Subject: [speechsc] Requests for Clarification
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     The VoiceXML Forum MRCP Liaison Committee is currently=20
     evaluating the latest MRCP v2 draft to (a) evaluate the=20
     compatibility between MRCP v2 and VoiceXML and (b)=20
     generate test assertions for MRCP v2 based VoiceXML=20
     browsers and MRCP v2 based media resources. We are=20
     currently examining the Speech Synthesis portion of the=20
     specification and have raised issues with the=20
     specification in prior emails to the SpeechSC list (See=20
     http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/speechsc/current/msg01605.html
     http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/speechsc/current/msg01606.html
     and=20
     http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/speechsc/current/msg01
     607.html ).
    =20
     These issues (and the responses to them) have been=20
     discussed by the MRCP Liaison Committee and we would like=20
     to make the following requests and
     suggestions:
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     1) The relationship between the Fetch Hint header and the=20
     Audio Fetch Hint header should be clarified. More=20
     specifically, it should be stated that, when specified,=20
     the Audio Fetch Hint header overrides the Fetch Hint=20
     header for audio files only.

Sarvi> Sounds good. Will clarify as suggested above.
    =20
     2) It should be clarified that  SPEAK completion code 003=20
     "uri-failure"=20
     only applies to  fetched SSML files and that  failure to fetch (or
     process) an audio file will not result in aborting the=20
     SPEAK request.=20
     This does mean, however, that there is no way to=20
     communicate the failure to fetch (or process) the audio=20
     file to the MRCP client. While SSML requires that the=20
     processor "notify the hosting environment" when such a=20
     failure occurs, the members of the committee agree that=20
     logging this event at the MRCP server is sufficient. It=20
     may be advisable for the MRCP specification to suggest=20
     that these events should be logged in some way.=20
     We would also like to suggest that future versions of MRCP=20
     consider adding an event (e.g. "Audio-Exception") to=20
     notify the MRCP client that such a failure has occurred=20
     without aborting the SPEAK request.

Sarvi> Sounds good. Will clarify as above.
    =20
     3) The definition of the Basic Synthesizer resources is a=20
     bit vague and should be clarified. Its not entirely clear=20
     from the description in the spec how it is supposed to=20
     work. The general consensus in the Committee is that this=20
     resource can be used for audio only prompts. It is=20
     supposed to accept a subset of SSML that only includes=20
     <speak><audio><say-as> and <mark>. What isn't clear, is=20
     how <say-as> is supposed to work in this case and if text=20
     strings are acceptable (you would think no if it wasn't=20
     for <say-as> being allowed). It may also be reasonable to=20
     make <mark> optional; a VoiceXML 2.0 browser certainly=20
     wouldn't need it anyway. We find that clarifications are=20
     needed in order to make any assertions on how a VoiceXML=20
     browser would use a basicsynth resource in an implementation.

Sarvi> With the basic synthesizer it is understood that the rendering
capability would be limited. But I bleieve there is still use for the
<sayas> tag. Things like $200, 1/2 etc can be easily rendered by a basic
synthesizer. And as explained in the SSML specification <sayas> helps
tell the processor how to render things like 1/2 or $200 etc.=20
So I believe that <sayas> would be usefull within the basic synthesizer,
though in a more limited sense.

Sarvi> Considering <mark> can be very useful to UI implementation and
and pretty simple to implement, I believe we should leave <mark> as is
defined today.
    =20
     A final issue worth noting is that the maxage and maxstale=20
     cache control headers are global in MRCP while VoiceXML=20
     breaks this down by resource type (e.g. audiomaxage,=20
     audiomaxstale, grammarmaxage, grammarmaxstale, etc.). This=20
     may be acceptable because the context of each request=20
     should govern the type of file to which these headers=20
     apply. i.e. in a SPEAK request the control audio file=20
     fetches and in RECOGNIZE requests they control grammar=20
     file fetches. As we continue to evaluate the spec we will=20
     keep our eyes open for scenarios where this does not hold.=20
     Thus, we are not requesting any changes related to this=20
     issue at this time.

Sarvi> Sounds good.
    =20
     Related to the above issue is the fact that the <audio>=20
     tag in VoiceXML extends the attributes defined in SSML by=20
     adding maxstale, maxage, fetchtimeout, and fetchhint (it=20
     also adds expr but that "evaluates away"=20
     to src). These fetch-related headers override their=20
     associated properties. Unfortunately, since MRCP is based=20
     on SSML, these attributes cannot be included in an MRCP=20
     request; instead, the associated headers would need to be=20
     set to control this behavior. This obviously introduces a=20
     problem if a request contains two <audio> tags that had=20
     these attributes set differently in the original VoiceXML document.
    =20
     It would seem that one way to address this problem is to=20
     break apart an SSML prompt so that each audio file is sent=20
     in its own request.=20
     Unfortunately, Issue (2) from above prevents this solution=20
     from working.=20
     Consider a prompt with alternate audio files such as:=20
     <audio maxstale=3D"A" src=3D"A.wav"><audio maxstale=3D"B"=20
     src=3D"B.wav"/></audio> where maxstale values A and B are=20
     not the same. These files can't be sent as part of the=20
     same request due to their maxstale values. However, if=20
     they are sent as part of separate requests, the client=20
     would need to know if A.wav could not be fetched in order=20
     to decide if it should request for B.wav to be played. But=20
     as discussed above, there is no way for the client to know=20
     this. The MRCP Liaison Committee believes that the best=20
     way for this to be addressed is to make a request to the=20
     W3C Voice Browser Working Group to add these attributes to=20
     the audio tag in SSML.=20
     Again, we are not requesting any changes to MRCP related=20
     to this issue.
    =20
Sarvi> Sounds good.

Thanks,
Sarvi

     Regards,
    =20
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     VoiceXML Forum MRCP Liaison Committee
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Comments inline.=20

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     Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 11:39 PM
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    =20
     Hello, all,
         I'm a newcomer of SPEECHSC work group and also MRCPv2=20
     protocol. I have read the draft=20
     (draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-09.txt) and have some doubts=20
     want to get some clarification.
         1. In MRCP messages, including request, response and=20
     event packets, there is a field called "message-length". I=20
     want to know why put it here but not using some other=20
     technologies like TPKT to resolve such a problem? I think=20
     there are some disadvantages in using of this appoaches=20
     because the receiver of the message must do partial=20
     parsing then know get it. Why not add a seperator between=20
     messages? In the seperator, you can define a field=20
     "message-length" to take the length. Because it can be=20
     encoding in binary mode, the receiver can extract such=20
     informations easier.
Sarvi> This issue has been previously discussed on the alias and the
trade-offs evaluated. Please refer to one of the older threads on this
decision. Efficiency is one of the reasons the message-length is at a
fixed location(2nd token) from the beginning of the message.

         2. Why not make the 3 types of messages looks more uniform?
             request-line   =3D    mrcp-version SP message-length SP
     method-name
                            SP request-id CRLF
             response-line  =3D    mrcp-version SP message-length=20
     SP request-id
                                         SP status-code SP=20
     request-state CRLF
             event-line       =3D  mrcp-version SP message-length=20
     SP event-name
                                         SP request-id SP=20
     request-state CRLF
             Because all the messages will take mrcp-version,=20
     message-length, request-id and channel identifier, why not=20
     put them together in the beginning of the message but=20
     define a different format for each type?

I guess there was no particular reason for this. MRCPv2 is derived
primarily from MRCPv1 and headers have been kept similar. Where ever
there are common fields they have been kept in the same order as the
other messages. Between the response and event messages There was some
care taken to make sure that we could differentiate between a response
and an event.=20
Apart from that there was no particular reason for thhis choice of field
sequence.

         3. Why select ABNF but not some binary message format?=20
     Forgive me for such a stupid question but I don't think=20
     there are any advantage for MRCP protocol.
Again, the issue of binary Vs text protocol has come up and their
benefits discussed on the thread. Please refer to one of the older
threads on this topic.

Thanks,
Sarvi=20
    =20
     Thanks and Best Regards,
     Rocky Wang
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With this approach you can't differentiate between an unsupported header =
and a header that is not set of holds a blank value.=20

Dave
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Reifenrath, Klaus=20
  To: 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' ; Dave Burke ; speechsc@ietf.org=20
  Cc: Forgues, Pierre=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:36 AM
  Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Specifying errors from GET-PARAMS mis-use


  I would think with GET-PARAM unsupported headers can be safely =
ignored. So what about returning 201 and all supported headers (and =
empty unsupported headers?)?

  Regards,
  Klaus



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  From: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com]=20
  Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 01:33
  To: Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org
  Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Specifying errors from GET-PARAMS mis-use


  Makes sense.=20
  The same error codes and handling as defined for SET-PARAMS will be =
added to the GET-PARAMS section as well.
  Hope that addresses your concern.

  Thanks,
  Sarvi



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    We don't seem to be specifying errors for GET-PARAMS. Suggest adding =
(i.e. this is presumably the intent):

     If some of the headers being retrieved are unsupported for the =
resource,
     the server MUST reject the request with a 403 Unsupported Header.=20
     Such a response MUST include the (empty) unsupported headers
     exactly as they were sent from the client.

    Dave

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With this approach you can't =
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value.=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3DKlaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com">Reifenrath, Klaus</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dsarvi@cisco.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham, Saravanan'</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Ddavid.burke@voxpilot.com =
href=3D"mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com">Dave=20
  Burke</A> ; <A title=3Dspeechsc@ietf.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3DPierre.Forgues@nuance.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues, Pierre</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 23, =
2006 9:36=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] =
Specifying errors=20
  from GET-PARAMS mis-use</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D426085207-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I would think with GET-PARAM unsupported =
headers can be=20
  safely ignored. So what about returning 201 and all supported headers =
(and=20
  empty unsupported headers?)?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D426085207-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D426085207-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D426085207-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Klaus</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Shanmugham, Saravanan=20
  [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 =

  01:33<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Burke; <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B=
> RE:=20
  [Speechsc] Specifying errors from GET-PARAMS =
mis-use<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D695483100-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Makes sense. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D695483100-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>The same error codes and handling as defined =
for=20
  SET-PARAMS will be added to the GET-PARAMS section as=20
well.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D695483100-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hope that addresses your =
concern.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D695483100-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D695483100-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D695483100-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Sarvi</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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    <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org">speechsc-bounces@ietf.org</A>=20
    [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave=20
    Burke<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 11, 2006 10:07 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    speechsc@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Speechsc] Specifying errors =
from=20
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    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We don't seem to be specifying =
errors for=20
    GET-PARAMS. Suggest adding (i.e. this is presumably the=20
intent):</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;If some of the headers being =
retrieved=20
    are unsupported for the resource,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;the server MUST reject the =
request with a=20
    403 Unsupported Header. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;Such a response MUST include=20
    the&nbsp;(empty) unsupported headers</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;exactly as they were sent =
from the=20
    client.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of DEFINE-GRAMMAR would be =
a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that SSML documents can also =
reference lexicons the same way as SRGS documents do. By the same =
reasoning, DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...

I actually think the mechanism for defining lexicons independent of =
grammars / SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON) is a good thing and =
hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the =
speechrecog resource.

Dave

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Reifenrath, Klaus=20
  To: 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' ; Dave Burke ; speechsc@ietf.org=20
  Cc: Forgues, Pierre=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:51 AM
  Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


  I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON for Recognize resources, =
because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method of synthesizer resources =
is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that allows to pre-load grammars. SRGS =
grammars already allow to reference pronunciation lexicons =
(http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10).=20

  Regards,
  Klaus



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  From: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com]=20
  Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 01:24
  To: Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org
  Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


  DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer resource because it was =
proposed relatively recently on the alias.=20
  I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized resource.

  The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to go last call with =
the next version. So I would like to keep new additions to the =
specification to a minimum.

  But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already defined for the =
synthesizer resource.=20
  I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer resources as =
well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting those sections.

  If I understand this correctly, all this will need is to add support =
for the following headers, methods and message bodies as currently =
defined to the Recognition section.

  8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
  8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
  8.5.2. Lexicon Data
  8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON

  If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that could be done in =
the next version of the document.

  Let me know if this addresses your concern.

  Thanks,
  Sarvi




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    Subject: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


    There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see =
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/)

    That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But why haven't we =
defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the recognizer?

    Dave


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a good thing and hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON =
for the=20
speechrecog resource.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dsarvi@cisco.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham, Saravanan'</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Ddavid.burke@voxpilot.com =
href=3D"mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com">Dave=20
  Burke</A> ; <A title=3Dspeechsc@ietf.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3DPierre.Forgues@nuance.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues, Pierre</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 23, =
2006 7:51=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer has no=20
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON =
for Recognize=20
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synthesizer=20
  resources is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that&nbsp;allows to pre-load=20
  grammars.&nbsp;SRGS grammars already allow to reference pronunciation =
lexicons=20
  (<A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10">http://www.w3.org/TR/=
speech-grammar/#S4.10</A>).=20
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Klaus</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Shanmugham, Saravanan=20
  [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 =

  01:24<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Burke; <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B=
> RE:=20
  [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the =
synthesizer=20
  resource because it was proposed relatively recently on the=20
  alias.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>I don't believe it was ever proposed for =
Recognized=20
  resource.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>The Spec is nearing completion and we would =
like to=20
  go last call with the next version. So I would like to keep new =
additions to=20
  the specification to a minimum.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is =
already=20
  defined for the synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>I could convinced to add support for it on =
Recognizer=20
  resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting =
those=20
  sections.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>If I understand this correctly, =
all&nbsp;this will=20
  need is to add support for the following headers, methods and message =
bodies=20
  as currently defined to the Recognition section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><U></U><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.5.2. Lexicon=20
  Data</FONT></U></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D570161400-23022006></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr>8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>If thats the extent of this proposal. I =
think that=20
  could be done in the next version of the document.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>Let me know if this addresses your=20
  concern.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006>Sarvi</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px =
solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft>
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
    <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> speechsc-bounces@ietf.org=20
    [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave=20
    Burke<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 17, 2006 8:38 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    speechsc@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Speechsc] Recognizer has no =
support of=20
    lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is an upcoming lexicon format =
from the=20
    W3C (see <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/">htt=
p://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/</A>)</FONT></DI=
V>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That will work nicely with =
speechsynth=20
    resources. But why haven't we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the=20
    recognizer?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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You are right, SSML documents can reference lexicons, BUT the synthesizer
resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. Therefore we need
DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for the synthesizer
resource. 
 
Can you please give use cases where DEFINE-LEXICON is required for a
recognizer resource. 
 
Klaus

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From: Dave Burke [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com] 
Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 11:51
To: Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan'; speechsc@ietf.org
Cc: Forgues, Pierre
Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of DEFINE-GRAMMAR would be a
DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that SSML documents can also
reference lexicons the same way as SRGS documents do. By the same reasoning,
DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...
 
I actually think the mechanism for defining lexicons independent of grammars
/ SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON) is a good thing and hence would like
to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the speechrecog resource.
 
Dave
 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Reifenrath, Klaus <mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com>  
To: 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' <mailto:sarvi@cisco.com>  ; Dave
<mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com> Burke ; speechsc@ietf.org
<mailto:speechsc@ietf.org>  
Cc: Forgues, Pierre <mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com>  
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON for Recognize resources, because
the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method of synthesizer resources is the
DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that allows to pre-load grammars. SRGS grammars
already allow to reference pronunciation lexicons
(http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10
<http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10> ). 
 
Regards,
Klaus

  _____  

From: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] 
Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 01:24
To: Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org <mailto:speechsc@ietf.org> 
Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer resource because it was
proposed relatively recently on the alias. 
I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized resource.
 
The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to go last call with the
next version. So I would like to keep new additions to the specification to
a minimum.
 
But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already defined for the
synthesizer resource. 
I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer resources as well, as
long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting those sections.
 
If I understand this correctly, all this will need is to add support for the
following headers, methods and message bodies as currently defined to the
Recognition section.
 
8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
8.5.2. Lexicon Data
8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON
 
If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that could be done in the next
version of the document.
 
Let me know if this addresses your concern.
 
Thanks,
Sarvi
 


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From: speechsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of Dave Burke
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:38 AM
To: speechsc@ietf.org
Subject: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/
<http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/> )
 
That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But why haven't we defined
DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the recognizer?
 
Dave
 
 


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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=078352911-23022006>You are right, SSML documents can reference lexicons, 
BUT the synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. Therefore 
we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for the 
synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=078352911-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=078352911-23022006>Can you please give use cases where DEFINE-LEXICON is 
required for a recognizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=078352911-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=078352911-23022006>Klaus</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
<HR tabIndex=-1>
<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Dave Burke 
[mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 
11:51<BR><B>To:</B> Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan'; 
speechsc@ietf.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Forgues, Pierre<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: 
[Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of 
DEFINE-GRAMMAR would be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that 
</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>SSML documents&nbsp;can&nbsp;also reference 
lexicons the same way&nbsp;as SRGS documents do. By the same reasoning, 
DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I actually think the mechanism for defining 
lexicons independent of grammars / SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON)&nbsp;is 
a good thing and hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the 
speechrecog resource.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr 
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com 
  href="mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com">Reifenrath, Klaus</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=sarvi@cisco.com 
  href="mailto:sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham, Saravanan'</A> ; <A 
  title=david.burke@voxpilot.com href="mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com">Dave 
  Burke</A> ; <A title=speechsc@ietf.org 
  href="mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com 
  href="mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues, Pierre</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:51 
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no 
  support of lexicons</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254483107-23022006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON for Recognize 
  resources, because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method of synthesizer 
  resources is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that&nbsp;allows to pre-load 
  grammars.&nbsp;SRGS grammars already allow to reference pronunciation lexicons 
  (<A 
  href="http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10">http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10</A>). 
  </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254483107-23022006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254483107-23022006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=254483107-23022006><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Klaus</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
  <HR tabIndex=-1>
  <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Shanmugham, Saravanan 
  [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 
  01:24<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Burke; <A 
  href="mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: 
  [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer 
  resource because it was proposed relatively recently on the 
  alias.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized 
  resource.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to 
  go last call with the next version. So I would like to keep new additions to 
  the specification to a minimum.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already 
  defined for the synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer 
  resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting those 
  sections.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>If I understand this correctly, all&nbsp;this will 
  need is to add support for the following headers, methods and message bodies 
  as currently defined to the Recognition section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><U></U><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr><U><FONT face=Arial>8.4.17. Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr><U><FONT face=Arial>8.4.17. Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr><U><FONT face=Arial>8.5.2. Lexicon 
  Data</FONT></U></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=570161400-23022006></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr>8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that 
  could be done in the next version of the document.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>Let me know if this addresses your 
  concern.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006>Sarvi</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
  class=570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
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    <FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> speechsc-bounces@ietf.org 
    [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Dave 
    Burke<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 17, 2006 8:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 
    speechsc@ietf.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of 
    lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is an upcoming lexicon format from the 
    W3C (see <A 
    href="http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/">http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/</A>)</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That will work nicely with speechsynth 
    resources. But why haven't we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the 
    recognizer?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
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I suppose the use-cases are:
    1. To provide lexicons for grammar formats that do not support =
referencing lexicons
    2. To provide lexicons that apply to all grammars without modifying =
each and every grammar
    3. To allow administrators to configure lexicons independent of =
applications

Dave
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Reifenrath, Klaus=20
  To: 'Dave Burke' ; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' ; speechsc@ietf.org=20
  Cc: Forgues, Pierre ; Carter, Jerry=20
  Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


  You are right, SSML documents can reference lexicons, BUT the =
synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. Therefore =
we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for the =
synthesizer resource.=20

  Can you please give use cases where DEFINE-LEXICON is required for a =
recognizer resource.=20

  Klaus



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  From: Dave Burke [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com]=20
  Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 11:51
  To: Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan'; speechsc@ietf.org
  Cc: Forgues, Pierre
  Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


  That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of DEFINE-GRAMMAR would =
be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that SSML documents can =
also reference lexicons the same way as SRGS documents do. By the same =
reasoning, DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...

  I actually think the mechanism for defining lexicons independent of =
grammars / SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON) is a good thing and =
hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the =
speechrecog resource.

  Dave

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Reifenrath, Klaus=20
    To: 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' ; Dave Burke ; speechsc@ietf.org=20
    Cc: Forgues, Pierre=20
    Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:51 AM
    Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


    I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON for Recognize resources, =
because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method of synthesizer resources =
is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that allows to pre-load grammars. SRGS =
grammars already allow to reference pronunciation lexicons =
(http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10).=20

    Regards,
    Klaus



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    From: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com]=20
    Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 01:24
    To: Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org
    Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


    DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer resource because it =
was proposed relatively recently on the alias.=20
    I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized resource.

    The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to go last call =
with the next version. So I would like to keep new additions to the =
specification to a minimum.

    But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already defined for the =
synthesizer resource.=20
    I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer resources as =
well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting those sections.

    If I understand this correctly, all this will need is to add support =
for the following headers, methods and message bodies as currently =
defined to the Recognition section.

    8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
    8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
    8.5.2. Lexicon Data
    8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON

    If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that could be done in =
the next version of the document.

    Let me know if this addresses your concern.

    Thanks,
    Sarvi




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      From: speechsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] =
On Behalf Of Dave Burke
      Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:38 AM
      To: speechsc@ietf.org
      Subject: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons


      There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see =
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/)

      That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But why haven't =
we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the recognizer?

      Dave


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I suppose the use-cases =
are:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1. To provide =
lexicons for=20
grammar formats that do not support referencing lexicons</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2. To provide =
lexicons that=20
apply to all grammars without modifying each and =
every&nbsp;grammar</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3. To allow =
administrators to=20
configure lexicons independent of applications</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3DKlaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com">Reifenrath, Klaus</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Ddavid.burke@voxpilot.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com">'Dave Burke'</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Dsarvi@cisco.com href=3D"mailto:sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham,=20
  Saravanan'</A> ; <A title=3Dspeechsc@ietf.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3DPierre.Forgues@nuance.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues, Pierre</A> ; <A=20
  title=3Djerry.carter@nuance.com =
href=3D"mailto:jerry.carter@nuance.com">Carter,=20
  Jerry</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 23, =
2006 1:13=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer has no=20
  support of lexicons</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006>You are right, SSML documents can reference =
lexicons,=20
  BUT the synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. =
Therefore=20
  we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for =
the=20
  synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006>Can you please give use cases where =
DEFINE-LEXICON is=20
  required for a recognizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006>Klaus</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><BR></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft>
  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Dave Burke=20
  [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. =
Februar=20
  2006 11:51<BR><B>To:</B> Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan'; =
<A=20
  href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Cc:</B> =
Forgues,=20
  Pierre<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of=20
  lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's not a symmetric analogy (an =
equivalent of=20
  DEFINE-GRAMMAR would be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that =

  </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SSML documents&nbsp;can&nbsp;also =
reference=20
  lexicons the same way&nbsp;as SRGS documents do. By the same =
reasoning,=20
  DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I actually think the mechanism for =
defining=20
  lexicons independent of grammars / SSML documents (i.e.=20
  DEFINE-LEXICON)&nbsp;is a good thing and hence would like to see the =
addition=20
  of DEFINE-LEXICON for the speechrecog resource.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3DKlaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com">Reifenrath, Klaus</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dsarvi@cisco.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham, Saravanan'</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Ddavid.burke@voxpilot.com =
href=3D"mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com">Dave=20
    Burke</A> ; <A title=3Dspeechsc@ietf.org=20
    href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3DPierre.Forgues@nuance.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues, Pierre</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 23, =
2006 7:51=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer has=20
    no support of lexicons</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON =
for=20
    Recognize resources, because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method =
of=20
    synthesizer resources is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that&nbsp;allows =
to=20
    pre-load grammars.&nbsp;SRGS grammars already allow to reference=20
    pronunciation lexicons (<A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10">http://www.w3.org/TR/=
speech-grammar/#S4.10</A>).=20
    </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Klaus</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft>
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
    <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Shanmugham, Saravanan=20
    [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. Februar =
2006=20
    01:24<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Burke; <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B=
> RE:=20
    [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of =
lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the =
synthesizer=20
    resource because it was proposed relatively recently on the=20
    alias.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>I don't believe it was ever proposed for =
Recognized=20
    resource.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>The Spec is nearing completion and we =
would like to=20
    go last call with the next version. So I would like to keep new =
additions to=20
    the specification to a minimum.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON =
is already=20
    defined for the synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>I could convinced to add support for it =
on=20
    Recognizer resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly =

    rewriting those sections.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>If I understand this correctly, =
all&nbsp;this will=20
    need is to add support for the following headers, methods and =
message bodies=20
    as currently defined to the Recognition section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><U></U><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.5.2. Lexicon=20
    Data</FONT></U></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
    face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D570161400-23022006></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>If thats the extent of this proposal. I =
think that=20
    could be done in the next version of the =
document.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>Let me know if this addresses your=20
    concern.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>Thanks,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Considering we do have a DEFINE-LEXICON for the synthesizer, and hearing
Dave arguments for it, I am inclined to ask if you have a strong
reservation/argument against allowing it for recognizers as well.
=20
If not I would like to proceed with Dave's suggestion.
=20
Thanks,
Sarvi


________________________________

	From: Reifenrath, Klaus [mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:14 AM
	To: 'Dave Burke'; Shanmugham, Saravanan; speechsc@ietf.org
	Cc: Forgues, Pierre; Carter, Jerry
	Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons
=09
=09
	You are right, SSML documents can reference lexicons, BUT the
synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. Therefore
we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for the
synthesizer resource.=20
	=20
	Can you please give use cases where DEFINE-LEXICON is required
for a recognizer resource.=20
	=20
	Klaus

________________________________

	From: Dave Burke [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com]=20
	Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 11:51
	To: Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan';
speechsc@ietf.org
	Cc: Forgues, Pierre
	Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons
=09
=09
	That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of DEFINE-GRAMMAR
would be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that SSML documents
can also reference lexicons the same way as SRGS documents do. By the
same reasoning, DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...
	=20
	I actually think the mechanism for defining lexicons independent
of grammars / SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON) is a good thing and
hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the
speechrecog resource.
	=20
	Dave
	=20

		----- Original Message -----=20
		From: Reifenrath, Klaus
<mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com> =20
		To: 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' <mailto:sarvi@cisco.com>  ;
Dave Burke <mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com>  ; speechsc@ietf.org=20
		Cc: Forgues, Pierre <mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com> =20
		Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:51 AM
		Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of
lexicons

		I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON for Recognize
resources, because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method of
synthesizer resources is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that allows to
pre-load grammars. SRGS grammars already allow to reference
pronunciation lexicons (http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10).=20
		=20
		Regards,
		Klaus

________________________________

		From: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com]=20
		Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 01:24
		To: Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org
		Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of
lexicons
	=09
	=09
		DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer resource
because it was proposed relatively recently on the alias.=20
		I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized
resource.
		=20
		The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to go
last call with the next version. So I would like to keep new additions
to the specification to a minimum.
		=20
		But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already
defined for the synthesizer resource.=20
		I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer
resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting
those sections.
		=20
		If I understand this correctly, all this will need is to
add support for the following headers, methods and message bodies as
currently defined to the Recognition section.
		=20
		8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
		8.4.17. Load-Lexicon
		8.5.2. Lexicon Data
		8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON
		=20
		If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that could
be done in the next version of the document.
		=20
		Let me know if this addresses your concern.
		=20
		Thanks,
		Sarvi
		=20


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			From: speechsc-bounces@ietf.org
[mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Burke
			Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:38 AM
			To: speechsc@ietf.org
			Subject: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of
lexicons
		=09
		=09
			There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C
(see http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/)
			=20
			That will work nicely with speechsynth
resources. But why haven't we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the
recognizer?
			=20
			Dave
			=20
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  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Reifenrath, Klaus=20
  [mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, =
February 23,=20
  2006 5:14 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Dave Burke'; Shanmugham, Saravanan;=20
  speechsc@ietf.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Forgues, Pierre; Carter,=20
  Jerry<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of=20
  lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006>You are right, SSML documents can reference =
lexicons,=20
  BUT the synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. =
Therefore=20
  we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for =
the=20
  synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006>Can you please give use cases where =
DEFINE-LEXICON is=20
  required for a recognizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D078352911-23022006>Klaus</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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  <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
  <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Dave Burke=20
  [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. =
Februar=20
  2006 11:51<BR><B>To:</B> Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan';=20
  speechsc@ietf.org<BR><B>Cc:</B> Forgues, Pierre<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: =

  [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That's not a symmetric analogy (an =
equivalent of=20
  DEFINE-GRAMMAR would be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that =

  </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>SSML documents&nbsp;can&nbsp;also =
reference=20
  lexicons the same way&nbsp;as SRGS documents do. By the same =
reasoning,=20
  DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I actually think the mechanism for =
defining=20
  lexicons independent of grammars / SSML documents (i.e.=20
  DEFINE-LEXICON)&nbsp;is a good thing and hence would like to see the =
addition=20
  of DEFINE-LEXICON for the speechrecog resource.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dave</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3DKlaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com">Reifenrath, Klaus</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dsarvi@cisco.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham, Saravanan'</A> ; <A=20
    title=3Ddavid.burke@voxpilot.com =
href=3D"mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com">Dave=20
    Burke</A> ; <A title=3Dspeechsc@ietf.org=20
    href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
title=3DPierre.Forgues@nuance.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues, Pierre</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, February 23, =
2006 7:51=20
    AM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer has=20
    no support of lexicons</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON =
for=20
    Recognize resources, because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method =
of=20
    synthesizer resources is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that&nbsp;allows =
to=20
    pre-load grammars.&nbsp;SRGS grammars already allow to reference=20
    pronunciation lexicons (<A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10">http://www.w3.org/TR/=
speech-grammar/#S4.10</A>).=20
    </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D254483107-23022006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
    color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Klaus</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader lang=3Den-us dir=3Dltr =
align=3Dleft>
    <HR tabIndex=3D-1>
    <FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> Shanmugham, Saravanan=20
    [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Donnerstag, 23. Februar =
2006=20
    01:24<BR><B>To:</B> Dave Burke; <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B=
> RE:=20
    [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of =
lexicons<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
    <DIV></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the =
synthesizer=20
    resource because it was proposed relatively recently on the=20
    alias.&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>I don't believe it was ever proposed for =
Recognized=20
    resource.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>The Spec is nearing completion and we =
would like to=20
    go last call with the next version. So I would like to keep new =
additions to=20
    the specification to a minimum.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON =
is already=20
    defined for the synthesizer resource. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>I could convinced to add support for it =
on=20
    Recognizer resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly =

    rewriting those sections.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>If I understand this correctly, =
all&nbsp;this will=20
    need is to add support for the following headers, methods and =
message bodies=20
    as currently defined to the Recognition section.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><U></U><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</FONT></U></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr><U><FONT face=3DArial>8.5.2. Lexicon=20
    Data</FONT></U></SPAN></FONT><FONT size=3D2><FONT =
color=3D#0000ff><FONT=20
    face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D570161400-23022006></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr>8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006>If thats the extent of this proposal. I =
think that=20
    could be done in the next version of the =
document.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D570161400-23022006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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We completely agree with Dave's arguments, so we are happy you can =
proceed with Dave's suggestions.

=20

Paolo Baggia, Loquendo.

=20

________________________________

Da: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com]=20
Inviato: gioved=EC 23 febbraio 2006 19.18
A: Reifenrath, Klaus; Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org
Cc: Forgues, Pierre
Oggetto: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

=20

Considering we do have a DEFINE-LEXICON for the synthesizer, and hearing =
Dave arguments for it, I am inclined to ask if you have a strong =
reservation/argument against allowing it for recognizers as well.

=20

If not I would like to proceed with Dave's suggestion.

=20

Thanks,

Sarvi

=09
________________________________


	From: Reifenrath, Klaus [mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com]=20
	Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 5:14 AM
	To: 'Dave Burke'; Shanmugham, Saravanan; speechsc@ietf.org
	Cc: Forgues, Pierre; Carter, Jerry
	Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

	You are right, SSML documents can reference lexicons, BUT the =
synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain text for SPEAK. Therefore =
we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language header field for the =
synthesizer resource.=20

	=20

	Can you please give use cases where DEFINE-LEXICON is required for a =
recognizer resource.=20

	=20

	Klaus

	=20

=09
________________________________


	From: Dave Burke [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com]=20
	Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 11:51
	To: Reifenrath, Klaus; 'Shanmugham, Saravanan'; speechsc@ietf.org
	Cc: Forgues, Pierre
	Subject: Re: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

	That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of DEFINE-GRAMMAR would =
be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that SSML documents can =
also reference lexicons the same way as SRGS documents do. By the same =
reasoning, DEFINE-LEXICON is superfluous...

	=20

	I actually think the mechanism for defining lexicons independent of =
grammars / SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON) is a good thing and =
hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the =
speechrecog resource.

	=20

	Dave

	=20

		----- Original Message -----=20

		From: Reifenrath, Klaus <mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com> =20

		To: 'Shanmugham, Saravanan' <mailto:sarvi@cisco.com>  ; Dave Burke =
<mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com>  ; speechsc@ietf.org=20

		Cc: Forgues, Pierre <mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com> =20

		Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:51 AM

		Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

		=20

		I do not think that we need DEFINE-LEXICON for Recognize resources, =
because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method of synthesizer resources =
is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that allows to pre-load grammars. SRGS =
grammars already allow to reference pronunciation lexicons =
(http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10).=20

		=20

		Regards,

		Klaus

		=20

	=09
________________________________


		From: Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com]=20
		Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Februar 2006 01:24
		To: Dave Burke; speechsc@ietf.org
		Subject: RE: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

		DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the synthesizer resource because it was =
proposed relatively recently on the alias.=20

		I don't believe it was ever proposed for Recognized resource.

		=20

		The Spec is nearing completion and we would like to go last call with =
the next version. So I would like to keep new additions to the =
specification to a minimum.

		=20

		But considering that the DEFINE-LEXICON is already defined for the =
synthesizer resource.=20

		I could convinced to add support for it on Recognizer resources as =
well, as long as we are no proposing majorly rewriting those sections.

		=20

		If I understand this correctly, all this will need is to add support =
for the following headers, methods and message bodies as currently =
defined to the Recognition section.

		=20

		8.4.17. Load-Lexicon

		8.4.17. Load-Lexicon

		8.5.2. Lexicon Data

		8.14. DEFINE-LEXICON

		=20

		If thats the extent of this proposal. I think that could be done in =
the next version of the document.

		=20

		Let me know if this addresses your concern.

		=20

		Thanks,

		Sarvi

		=20

			=20

		=09
________________________________


			From: speechsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] On =
Behalf Of Dave Burke
			Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 8:38 AM
			To: speechsc@ietf.org
			Subject: [Speechsc] Recognizer has no support of lexicons

			There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see =
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/)

			=20

			That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But why haven't we =
defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the recognizer?

			=20

			Dave

			=20

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Shanmugham,
Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Inviato:</span></b> gioved=EC 23 =
febbraio 2006
19.18<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>A:</span></b> Reifenrath, Klaus; =
Dave Burke;
speechsc@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Forgues, Pierre<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Oggetto:</span></b> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer
has no support of lexicons</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Considering we do have a =
DEFINE-LEXICON
for the synthesizer, and hearing Dave arguments for it, I am inclined to =
ask if
you have a strong reservation/argument against allowing it for =
recognizers as
well.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Reifenrath, Klaus [mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, February =
23, 2006
5:14 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Dave Burke'; =
Shanmugham,
Saravanan; speechsc@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Forgues, Pierre; =
Carter, Jerry<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer
has no support of lexicons</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>You are right, SSML documents can
reference lexicons, BUT the synthesizer resource MUST also accepts plain =
text
for SPEAK. Therefore we need DEFINE-LEXICON and also the Speech-Language =
header
field for the synthesizer resource. </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Can you please give use cases where
DEFINE-LEXICON is required for a recognizer resource. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Dave Burke [mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Donnerstag, 23. =
Februar 2006
11:51<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Reifenrath, Klaus;
'Shanmugham, Saravanan'; speechsc@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></b> Forgues, Pierre<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer
has no support of lexicons</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>That's not a symmetric analogy (an equivalent of
DEFINE-GRAMMAR would be a DEFINE-SSML, which doesn't exist). Note that =
SSML
documents&nbsp;can&nbsp;also reference lexicons the same way&nbsp;as =
SRGS
documents do. By the same reasoning, DEFINE-LEXICON is =
superfluous...</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I actually think the mechanism for defining lexicons
independent of grammars / SSML documents (i.e. DEFINE-LEXICON)&nbsp;is a =
good
thing and hence would like to see the addition of DEFINE-LEXICON for the
speechrecog resource.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dave</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message ----- =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div style=3D'font-color:black'>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#E4E4E4'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>From:</span=
></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com" =
title=3D"Klaus.Reifenrath@nuance.com">Reifenrath,
Klaus</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>To:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:sarvi@cisco.com" title=3D"sarvi@cisco.com">'Shanmugham, =
Saravanan'</a>
; <a href=3D"mailto:david.burke@voxpilot.com" =
title=3D"david.burke@voxpilot.com">Dave
Burke</a> ; <a href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org" =
title=3D"speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Cc:</span></font></b><font size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> <a
href=3D"mailto:Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com" =
title=3D"Pierre.Forgues@nuance.com">Forgues,
Pierre</a> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
Thursday, February
23, 2006 7:51 AM<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></font></b><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> RE: =
[Speechsc]
Recognizer has no support of lexicons<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I do not think that we need =
DEFINE-LEXICON
for Recognize resources, because the equivalent to DEFINE-LEXICON method =
of
synthesizer resources is the DEFINE-GRAMMAR method that&nbsp;allows to =
pre-load
grammars.&nbsp;SRGS grammars already allow to reference pronunciation =
lexicons
(<a =
href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-grammar/#S4.10">http://www.w3.org/TR/=
speech-grammar/#S4.10</a>).
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Regards,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Klaus</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabIndex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
Shanmugham, Saravanan [mailto:sarvi@cisco.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Donnerstag, 23. =
Februar 2006
01:24<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Dave Burke; <a
href=3D"mailto:speechsc@ietf.org">speechsc@ietf.org</a><br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [Speechsc] =
Recognizer
has no support of lexicons</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>DEFINE-LEXICON is defined for the
synthesizer resource because it was proposed relatively recently on the
alias.&nbsp;</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I don't believe it was ever =
proposed for
Recognized resource.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The Spec is nearing completion and =
we
would like to go last call with the next version. So I would like to =
keep new
additions to the specification to a =
minimum.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>But considering that the =
DEFINE-LEXICON is
already defined for the synthesizer resource. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I could convinced to add support =
for it on
Recognizer resources as well, as long as we are no proposing majorly =
rewriting
those sections.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If I understand this correctly,
all&nbsp;this will need is to add support for the following headers, =
methods
and message bodies as currently defined to the Recognition =
section.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>=


<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><u><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</span></font></u><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><u><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>8.4.17. =
Load-Lexicon</span></font></u><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><u><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>8.5.2. Lexicon =
Data</span></font></u><font
size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>8.14. =
DEFINE-LEXICON<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>If thats the extent of this =
proposal. I
think that could be done in the next version of the =
document.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Let me know if this addresses your
concern.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Thanks,</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Sarvi</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<blockquote style=3D'border:none;border-left:solid blue =
1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 3.0pt;
margin-left:3.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'>=


<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<div class=3DMsoNormal align=3Dcenter style=3D'text-align:center'><font =
size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>

<hr size=3D3 width=3D"100%" align=3Dcenter tabIndex=3D-1>

</span></font></div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</spa=
n></font></b><font
size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>
speechsc-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:speechsc-bounces@ietf.org] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Burke<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, February =
17, 2006
8:38 AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> speechsc@ietf.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Speechsc] =
Recognizer has
no support of lexicons</span></font><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>There is an upcoming lexicon format from the W3C (see =
<a
href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/">htt=
p://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-pronunciation-lexicon-20060131/</a>)</span></fo=
nt><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>That will work nicely with speechsynth resources. But =
why
haven't we defined DEFINE-LEXICON et al for the =
recognizer?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Dave</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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On Feb 26, 2006, at 3:10 PM, Jerry Carter wrote:

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> FWIW, I didn't see SpeechSC on the preliminary agenda for Dallas  
> <http://www.ietf.org/meetings/agenda_65.txt>.
>
Correct, we're not meeting in Dallas. Not going to move other work  
until MRCP is last-called.
> -=- Jerry
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A key function of the MRCP framework is to perform speech recognition and 
return a semantic result to the MRCP client. To do that with baseline 
interoperability assured, we need sufficient protocol machinery (tick), 
normative data representation formats (partial tick), and normative 
behaviour gluing everything together (partial tick).

Currently:

o The XML form of SRGS is required. However, SRGS does not normatively 
reference the Semantic Interpretation for Speech Recognition (SISR). 
Therefore, MRCP does not normatively specify a semantic interpretation 
language.

o We've got an imported version of NLSML. However, we don't say how the 
semantic result gets mapped into the <instance> content.

Proposal:

    1. Normatively require the Semantic Interpretation for Speech 
Recognition specification (now Candidate Recommendation).
        See - http://www.w3.org/TR/semantic-interpretation/

    2. In 9.6.3.3 INSTANCE element, add some text along the lines of:

        "The <instance> element contains the interpretation of the 
utterance. When
        the Semantic Interpretation for Speech Recognition format is used, 
the
        <instance> element contains the XML serialization of the ECMAScript 
result
        using the approach defined in that specification."

Dave


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The Input-Waveform-URI header in section 9.4.10 supports recognition via 
HTTP -- the MRCP server will request the waveform from whatever server 
it happens to be on.  If a call consists only of this sort of audio, 
then is RTP required at all?  What would the SDP exchange look like for 
a recog resource that has no associated RTP stream?

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