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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Speech Services Control Working Group of the IETF.


	Title           : Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2 (MRCPv2)
	Author(s)       : D. Burnett, S. Shanmugham
	Filename        : draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-23.txt
	Pages           : 218
	Date            : 2011-03-07

The MRCPv2 protocol allows client hosts to control media service
resources such as speech synthesizers, recognizers, verifiers and
identifiers residing in servers on the network.  MRCPv2 is not a
"stand-alone" protocol - it relies on other protocols, such as
Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) to rendezvous MRCPv2 clients and
servers and manage sessions between them, and the Session Description
Protocol (SDP) to describe, discover and exchange capabilities.  It
also depends on SIP and SDP to establish the media sessions and
associated parameters between the media source or sink and the media
server.  Once this is done, the MRCPv2 protocol exchange operates
over the control session established above, allowing the client to
control the media processing resources on the speech resource server.

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Dear SpeechSC list members,

in our company we are implementing TTS and ASR solutions using MRCP. For 
ASR we would like to use the protocol not only for recognition of short 
utterances based on simple grammar; scheme

C->S: RECOGNIZE
S->C: IN-PROGRESS
S->C: START-OF-INPUT
S->C: RECOGNITION-COMPLETE (result)

but also for continuous speech recognition (e.g. minutes or tens of 
minutes, dictations, ...) with immediate results. Unfortunately there is 
no such approach in MRCPv2 specification draft. We thought about using 
following scheme:

C->S: RECOGNIZE (continuous)
S->C: IN-PROGRESS
S->C: START-OF-INPUT
S->C: IN-PROGRESS (partial_result_1)
...
S->C: IN-PROGRESS (partial_result_n)
C->S: STOP

Imagine an application for writing dictation so that user can see 
immediately what he said. The recognizer could be located on a remote 
machine.

The (continuous) parameter to the RECOGNIZE request could be a type of 
grammar (built-in language model specification, in fact) or a header 
value. Do you find this approach a clean solution? Or do not you think 
continuous speech recognition should be part of MRCPv2 specification?

Kindest regards and thanks for comments,
Tomas Valenta

PS. Originally we started discussing this topic with Arsen Chaloyan 
(author of UniMRCP) here:
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/unimrcp/pSaDbhHPh3M/discussion


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That looks sensible. Right now that extension would be out of the =
current MRCP charter, but if there is interest, I'm sure folks could get =
together to extend MRCPv2, either as an individual submission or with =
rechartering of the work group.

Will you be in Prague for IETF 80? It's under 1.5 hours away from =
Plzen...

On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Tom=E1=9A Valenta wrote:

> Dear SpeechSC list members,
>=20
> in our company we are implementing TTS and ASR solutions using MRCP. =
For ASR we would like to use the protocol not only for recognition of =
short utterances based on simple grammar; scheme
>=20
> C->S: RECOGNIZE
> S->C: IN-PROGRESS
> S->C: START-OF-INPUT
> S->C: RECOGNITION-COMPLETE (result)
>=20
> but also for continuous speech recognition (e.g. minutes or tens of =
minutes, dictations, ...) with immediate results. Unfortunately there is =
no such approach in MRCPv2 specification draft. We thought about using =
following scheme:
>=20
> C->S: RECOGNIZE (continuous)
> S->C: IN-PROGRESS
> S->C: START-OF-INPUT
> S->C: IN-PROGRESS (partial_result_1)
> ...
> S->C: IN-PROGRESS (partial_result_n)
> C->S: STOP
>=20
> Imagine an application for writing dictation so that user can see =
immediately what he said. The recognizer could be located on a remote =
machine.
>=20
> The (continuous) parameter to the RECOGNIZE request could be a type of =
grammar (built-in language model specification, in fact) or a header =
value. Do you find this approach a clean solution? Or do not you think =
continuous speech recognition should be part of MRCPv2 specification?
>=20
> Kindest regards and thanks for comments,
> Tomas Valenta
>=20
> PS. Originally we started discussing this topic with Arsen Chaloyan =
(author of UniMRCP) here:
> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/unimrcp/pSaDbhHPh3M/discussion
>=20
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	Title           : Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2 (MRCPv2)
	Author(s)       : D. Burnett, S. Shanmugham
	Filename        : draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-24.txt
	Pages           : 221
	Date            : 2011-03-11

The MRCPv2 protocol allows client hosts to control media service
resources such as speech synthesizers, recognizers, verifiers and
identifiers residing in servers on the network.  MRCPv2 is not a
"stand-alone" protocol - it relies on other protocols, such as
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Hello all,

I'd like to comment the some sections regarding section 13.6 of 
draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-24, that is currently in Last Call.

So, some comments in-line.

> 13.6.  session URL scheme registration
>
>     IANA is requested to register the following new URI scheme.  The
>     information below follows the template given in RFC4395 [RFC4395].
Here informative reference to RFC 4395 will be more appropriate.  
Moreover, below URL should be replaced by URI, per RFC 4395.
> URL scheme name:  "session"
What status is requested - Permanent or Provisional?
>     URL scheme syntax:  The syntax of this scheme is identical to that
>        defined for the "cid" scheme in section 2 of RFC2392.
>     Character encoding considerations:  URI values are limited to the US-
>        ASCII character set.
Here it would be better to say that "There are no other encoding 
considerations for the 'session' URIs not described in RFC 3986 
[RFC3986]" with a normative reference to RFC 3986 or have a normative 
reference to ASCII standard.
>     Intended usage:  The URI is intended to identify a data resource
>        previously given to the network computing resource.  The purpose
>        of this scheme is to permit access to the specific resource for
>        the lifetime of the session with the entity storing the resource.
>        The media type of the resource CAN vary.  There is no explicit
>        mechanism for communication of the media type.  This scheme is
>        currently widely used internally by existing implementations, and
>        the registration is intended to provide information in the rare
>        (and unfortunate) case that the scheme is used elsewhere.  The
>        scheme SHOULD NOT be used for open internet protocols.
I cannot find such field in RFC 4395 template.  Maybe you meant URI 
semantics?
>     Applications and/or protocols which use this URL scheme name:  This
>        scheme name is used by MRCPv2 clients and servers.
>     Interoperability considerations:
>        The character set for URLs is restricted to US-ASCII.  Note that
>        none of the resources are accessible after the MCRPv2 session
>        ends, hence the name of the scheme.  For clients who establish one
>        MRCPv2 session only for the entire speech application being
>        implemented this is sufficient, but clients who create, terminate,
>        and recreate MRCP sessions for performance or scalability reasons
>        will lose access to resources established in the earlier
>        session(s).
>     Security considerations:  The URIs defined here provide an
>        identification mechanism only.  Given that the communication
>        channel between client and server is secure, that the server
>        correctly accesses the resource associated with the URI, and that
>        the server ensures session-only lifetime and access for each URI,
>        the only remaining security issues are those of the types of media
>        referred to by the URI.
You should also have mentioned that generic security considerations for 
URIs described in RFC 3986 apply to this scheme as well.
>     Relevant publications:  This specification, particularly sections
>        Section 6.2.7, Section 8.5.2, Section 9.5.1, and Section 9.9.
>     Contact for further information:  Sarvi Shanmugham, sarvi@cisco.com
>     Author/Change controller:  IESG
Good to add the iesg@ietf.org address here.

Thanks for considering my comments in advance.

Mykyta Yevstifeyev

16.03.2011 21:13, The IESG wrote:
> The IESG has received a request from the Speech Services Control WG
> (speechsc) to consider the following document:
> - 'Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2 (MRCPv2)'
>    <draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-24.txt>  as a Proposed Standard
>
> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-04-13. (This allows an additional two
> weeks for review since the document is large and the review period overlaps
> the Prague IETF meeting). Exceptionally, comments may be
> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>
> The file can be obtained via
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2/
>
> IESG discussion can be tracked via
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2/
>
>
>
> No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
> _______________________________________________
> IETF-Announce mailing list
> IETF-Announce@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce
>


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Thank you.  Based on your comments I have made the following changes  
to section 13.6 in my working copy (which will be reflected in the  
next draft):

- Made reference to RFC 4395 Informative rather than Normative.
- Replaced "URL" with "URI"
- Added "Status" of "Permanent"
- Replaced the "Encoding considerations" text with "There are no other  
encoding considerations for the 'session' URIs not described in RFC  
3986 [RFC3986]." and added RFC 3986 as a normative reference.
- Removed "The character set for URLs is restricted to US-ASCII." from  
the Interoperability considerations field.
- Changed "Intended usage" to "URI scheme semantics"
- In the "Security considerations" field, added "Generic security  
considerations for
URIs described in RFC 3986 apply to this scheme as well" and adjusted  
the remaining text appropriately.
- Added "iesg@ietf.org" in Author/Change controller field.


-- dan

On Mar 17, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Mykyta Yevstifeyev wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'd like to comment the some sections regarding section 13.6 of  
> draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-24, that is currently in Last Call.
>
> So, some comments in-line.
>
>> 13.6.  session URL scheme registration
>>
>>    IANA is requested to register the following new URI scheme.  The
>>    information below follows the template given in RFC4395 [RFC4395].
> Here informative reference to RFC 4395 will be more appropriate.   
> Moreover, below URL should be replaced by URI, per RFC 4395.
>> URL scheme name:  "session"
> What status is requested - Permanent or Provisional?
>>    URL scheme syntax:  The syntax of this scheme is identical to that
>>       defined for the "cid" scheme in section 2 of RFC2392.
>>    Character encoding considerations:  URI values are limited to  
>> the US-
>>       ASCII character set.
> Here it would be better to say that "There are no other encoding  
> considerations for the 'session' URIs not described in RFC 3986  
> [RFC3986]" with a normative reference to RFC 3986 or have a  
> normative reference to ASCII standard.
>>    Intended usage:  The URI is intended to identify a data resource
>>       previously given to the network computing resource.  The  
>> purpose
>>       of this scheme is to permit access to the specific resource for
>>       the lifetime of the session with the entity storing the  
>> resource.
>>       The media type of the resource CAN vary.  There is no explicit
>>       mechanism for communication of the media type.  This scheme is
>>       currently widely used internally by existing implementations,  
>> and
>>       the registration is intended to provide information in the rare
>>       (and unfortunate) case that the scheme is used elsewhere.  The
>>       scheme SHOULD NOT be used for open internet protocols.
> I cannot find such field in RFC 4395 template.  Maybe you meant URI  
> semantics?
>>    Applications and/or protocols which use this URL scheme name:   
>> This
>>       scheme name is used by MRCPv2 clients and servers.
>>    Interoperability considerations:
>>       The character set for URLs is restricted to US-ASCII.  Note  
>> that
>>       none of the resources are accessible after the MCRPv2 session
>>       ends, hence the name of the scheme.  For clients who  
>> establish one
>>       MRCPv2 session only for the entire speech application being
>>       implemented this is sufficient, but clients who create,  
>> terminate,
>>       and recreate MRCP sessions for performance or scalability  
>> reasons
>>       will lose access to resources established in the earlier
>>       session(s).
>>    Security considerations:  The URIs defined here provide an
>>       identification mechanism only.  Given that the communication
>>       channel between client and server is secure, that the server
>>       correctly accesses the resource associated with the URI, and  
>> that
>>       the server ensures session-only lifetime and access for each  
>> URI,
>>       the only remaining security issues are those of the types of  
>> media
>>       referred to by the URI.
> You should also have mentioned that generic security considerations  
> for URIs described in RFC 3986 apply to this scheme as well.
>>    Relevant publications:  This specification, particularly sections
>>       Section 6.2.7, Section 8.5.2, Section 9.5.1, and Section 9.9.
>>    Contact for further information:  Sarvi Shanmugham,  
>> sarvi@cisco.com
>>    Author/Change controller:  IESG
> Good to add the iesg@ietf.org address here.
>
> Thanks for considering my comments in advance.
>
> Mykyta Yevstifeyev
>
> 16.03.2011 21:13, The IESG wrote:
>> The IESG has received a request from the Speech Services Control WG
>> (speechsc) to consider the following document:
>> - 'Media Resource Control Protocol Version 2 (MRCPv2)'
>>   <draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2-24.txt>  as a Proposed Standard
>>
>> The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
>> final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to  
>> the
>> ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-04-13. (This allows an  
>> additional two
>> weeks for review since the document is large and the review period  
>> overlaps
>> the Prague IETF meeting). Exceptionally, comments may be
>> sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
>> beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
>>
>> The file can be obtained via
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2/
>>
>> IESG discussion can be tracked via
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-speechsc-mrcpv2/
>>
>>
>>
>> No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
>> _______________________________________________
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>> IETF-Announce@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Speechsc@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/speechsc
> Supplemental web site:
> &lt;http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/speechsc&gt;


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It is time to update the MRCPv2 support matrix found at
http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/speechsc/MRCPv2-Plans.html

I know this is way out of date; three of the companies in the list =
(Brooktrout, NMS, and VoiceGenie) are all now parts of other companies. =
Anyone from those companies that can give the go-ahead to list the new =
company as having MRCPv2 implementations? Anyone else that we know of =
who wants to be listed?

Thanks.


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Hi Eric,

Please go-ahead to change "VoiceGenie" to "Genesys".


Thanks,
Yi Chang


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Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 6:53 AM
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Subject: [Speechsc] Support Matrix

It is time to update the MRCPv2 support matrix found at
http://www.standardstrack.com/ietf/speechsc/MRCPv2-Plans.html

I know this is way out of date; three of the companies in the list
(Brooktrout, NMS, and VoiceGenie) are all now parts of other companies.
Anyone from those companies that can give the go-ahead to list the new
company as having MRCPv2 implementations? Anyone else that we know of
who wants to be listed?

Thanks.


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