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Passwords for spirits-archive@lists.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- spirits@lists.bell-labs.com QMKP http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/options/spirits/spirits-archive@lists.ietf.org From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Fri May 5 11:05:07 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA20824 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04CD944336; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:59:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@share.research.bell-labs.com Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C0EF44336 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists.bell-labs.com ([135.104.27.211]) by dirty; Fri May 5 10:54:04 EDT 2000 Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 4F18D44346; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from ans.ih.lucent.com (ans.ih.lucent.com [135.2.78.5]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 06BE944341 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ans.ih.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id JAA19209; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:40:50 -0500 Received: from lucent.com by ans.ih.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id JAA19206; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:40:49 -0500 Message-ID: <3912DDD8.A2FC496@lucent.com> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 09:42:32 -0500 From: Alec Brusilovsky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SPIRITS list Subject: [Fwd: Re: [SPIRITS] IETF47 SPIRITS meeting notes (draft V.1)] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------6CB1816C2BBACDDDE0F96321" Reply-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF SPIRITS Working Group X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------6CB1816C2BBACDDDE0F96321 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good morning, and do not worry, there is no love message in this post, Ray Forbes was kind enough to comment on our Adelaide meeting notes. With Ray's permission I am forwarding his comments to the list. Regards, Alec -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] IETF47 SPIRITS meeting notes (draft V.1) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:14:18 +0100 From: "Raymond Forbes" To: Alec Brusilovsky Alec, I know that I wasn't in the IETF meeting but I have a few questions on the report that you have sent. On section 4. Q.1224 is a grey area on liaising to the IETF. Yes but any individual from a company or organisation registered ino a UN member country, at the IETF, has the right to use and read the contents of Q.1224. Formally, SG11 WP4 Questions cannot liaise published material, only draft or recently approved material can be brought by the liaison/Contact person, this is an ITU-T copyright issue. It is up to individuals to contribute the extracts that they want to use; whilst compling with the copyright laws. Those individuals must belong to organisations who have the correct puchasing policy to use to the material. For example, ETSI as a member organisation uses the ITU recommendations as normative references and as foundational material for its standards. This is a private interpretation, I am not a lawyer. regards, Ray Forbes Alec Brusilovsky on 20/04/2000 02:17:08 To: SPIRITS list cc: Steve Bellovin (bcc: Raymond Forbes/MAIN/MC1) Subject: [SPIRITS] IETF47 SPIRITS meeting notes (draft V.1) All, Please find attached draft meeting notes from our meeting in Adelaide. Special thanks to Goutam Shaw for taking them, while contributing to the meeting. Steve and I need to send them off to the IETF by the end of the week, so send your comments before that. Regards, Alec ********************************* 47th IETF SPIRITS Working Group Meeting Notes Reported by Alec Brusilovsky. Recorded by Goutam Shaw, to whom both co-chairs express their deepest appreciation for the job well done. SPIRITS WG met on the afternoon of Monday, March 27, 2000. There were 103 registered attendees. Chairs: Steve Bellovin, Alec Brusilovsky Agenda: 1. Agenda bashing - 5 minutes. 2. Pre-SPIRITS implementations with focus on architecture a. Telia/Nortel - 5 minutes. b. Korea Telecom - 5 minutes. c. NEC Corporation - 5 minutes. d. Lucent - Igor Faynberg - 5 minutes. 3. Progress of Implementation Document - Hui-Lan Lu - 5 minutes. 4. SPIRITS progress in ITU-T - Hui-Lan Lu - 5 minutes. 5. EURESCOM P909 findings relative to SPIRITS WG objectives - Gianni Canal - 5 minutes. 6. What are SPIRITS architectural components? Do we know all of them? What other components SPIRITS needs? - Discussion on Architecture - 45 minutes. Lev Slutsman starts it off with a brief introduction. 7. SPIRITS Protocol requirements - protocol discussion - 25 minutes. Alec Brusilovsky presented agenda and asked for suggestions or agenda comments. 1. Agenda Bashing Agenda accepted. 2. Pre-SPIRITS implementations: a. Nortel-Telia Service Gateway (draft-nyckelgard-spirits-pre-impl-01.txt) No questions or issues raised b. Korea Telecom ICW (draft-rhim-spirits-kticw-00.txt) Issue: limited support for mobility, static calling number c. NEC implementation of ICW (draft-ago-spirits-icw-00.txt) Issue: Q.1228 extensions used are: User-client identification process. Extended CS2 parameter. d. Lucent Implementation of OCC (draft-ietf-spirits-lucentocc-00.txt) Issue: Firewall between the PSTN and the IP network is in reality there, but is not shown on the diagram. Summary: three pre-SPIRITS implementations utilizing SIP and one - proprietary one, TCP/IP based. 3. Status of Informational RFC All the internet drafts published. Next is to compile the base material - Introduction : compile the existing services - Services - services description - End of April for initial draft RFC commitment Summary: all the internet drafts are published, next step is to compile the base material, first draft of the RFC to be published on the mailing list by the end of April. 4. ITU-T related issues: an update - ITU-T recommendation Q.1231 lists PINT related IN services. Also Q.1241 describes Q.1241 - INAP extensions are slated for IN CS-4 - SG 13 has determined an IP framework and PINT architecture - New drafted questions are IP telephony and PINT/SPIRITS related services - Excerpts from SG11 docs. Can be brought into IETF - Q.1224 is still a gray area as far as liasoning into IETF is concerned. 5. EURESCOM P909 findings relative to SPIRITS WG objectives (draft-canal-p909-pint-spirits-00.txt) - EURESCOM P909 overview - P909 example services overview - P909 architecture and requirements overview Issue: PARLAY Gateway is in the diagram. It is there because API oriented approach was adopted P909 from the beginning. PARLEY represents just one example of implementation. The goal of this report and the I-D is to collect and offer services requirements to IETF SPIRITS (and PINT). Issue: P909 architecture is available to the public and Gianni Canal will publish it on the SPIRITS mailing list. 6. SPIRITS Architectural components and protocol discussion (draft-lslutsman-spirits-interfaces-00.txt) Issue: SPIRITS protocol is between SPIRITS client and server. Remove CORBA from the diagram (it is not in the I-D) Issue: SIP with possible extensions can be used as SPIRITS protocol. There is a need for the SPIRITS protocol requirements. Issue: SPIRITS client cannot be classified as SCP. Remove SCP wording from the diagram. Issue: C interface is for registration and notification Issue: It is possible to introduce SPIRITS client as a gateway rather than an SCP ala Telia architecture. Issue: Entities B and C both can be PINT protocol. A and B both should be doubled headed. Issue: Do the Requirements Document To capture the business practices. Issue: Two very important protocol requirements: interwork with INAP and PINT. Not everything in INAP is required, just enough to interwork with it. Issue: Requirements RFC will be good starting point. Need to extend milestones part of SPIRITS Charter to include Protocol Requirements RFC. Volunteers for editorship were asked to talk to the WG chairs after the meeting. Igor Faynberg volunteered to write the detail on protocol requirements. Issue: Include in the RFC suggestions what kind of messages need to flow between entities. Summary: definite need for the Requirements Document, interworking with INAP and PINT are some of the requirements, chairs called for volunteers, Requirements RFC to be added to the SPIRITS WG milestones list. 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------=_NextPart_000_00E5_01BFBA6E.4A470340-- _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Mon May 15 17:26:29 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA10291 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64832443A2; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from dns.ikv.de (unknown [193.158.64.250]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF0344338; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heartofgold by dns.ikv.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/SuSE Linux 8.9.3-0.1) with SMTP id OAA31738; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:07:13 +0200 From: magedanz@ikv.de To: , , , , Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:07:21 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal Subject: [SPIRITS] Final IN/IP Convergence CFP Reminder Reply-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF SPIRITS Working Group X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ladies and Gentlemen! Sorry in case you receive multiple copies of this emmail, which means your are very active ;-) Computer Networks Journal plans to publish in February 2001 a special issue on "Voice / Data Integration - A Snapshot of Intelligent Network and Interent Convergence". Guest editors: T. Magedanz (IKV++) and M. Smirnov (GMD FOKUS) Deadline for submission is June 5th, 2000!!! Maybe a good candidate for disseminating your results! For more infos look at: http://www.fokus.gmd.de/events/IN-Internet/ Best regards, Thomas Magedanz (magedanz@ikv.de) IKV++ GmbH, Bernburger Str. 24-25, D-10963 Berlin, Germany _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Tue May 16 11:00:50 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA06594 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B2DC44377; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@share.research.bell-labs.com Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (dirty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 394A944391 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists.bell-labs.com ([135.104.27.211]) by dirty; Tue May 16 08:15:32 EDT 2000 Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 60B8744344; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from ans.ih.lucent.com (ans.ih.lucent.com [135.2.78.5]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 1746E44341 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ans.ih.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id HAA06842; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:02:18 -0500 Cc: Steve Bellovin , Hui-Lan Lu Received: from lucent.com by ans.ih.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id HAA06836; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:02:15 -0500 Message-ID: <39213932.D8F234AD@lucent.com> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:04:02 -0500 From: Alec Brusilovsky X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ru,uk MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SPIRITS list Original-CC: Steve Bellovin , Hui-Lan Lu Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------BBA6DEF283E651D3E617A3A9" Subject: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Document Reply-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF SPIRITS Working Group X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------BBA6DEF283E651D3E617A3A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Good Spirited listmates, The newly published I-D, that can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-implementations-00.txt is a candidate for the Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Informational RFC. Both Steve and I are encouraging online discussion of this document. Current Last call status is valid through June 14. After that date and upon reaching consensus, the resulting document will be submitted to IESG. Congratulations to the team of authors led by Hui-Lan Lu for the job well done! Regards, Alec --------------BBA6DEF283E651D3E617A3A9 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="abrusilovsky.vcf" Content-Description: Card for Alec Brusilovsky Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="abrusilovsky.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:Brusilovsky;Alec tel;fax:+1 630 713 5840 tel;work:+1 630 713 8401 x-mozilla-html:FALSE org:Lucent (jg7290000) version:2.1 email;internet:abrusilovsky@lucent.com title:MTS adr;quoted-printable:;;IHP 1A-423=0D=0A263 Shuman Blvd,P O Box 3050;Naperville;IL;60566-7050;U S x-mozilla-cpt:;-29888 fn:Alec Brusilovsky end:vcard --------------BBA6DEF283E651D3E617A3A9-- _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Fri May 19 06:21:25 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA02319 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82718443C1; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from m2-pasarela3.airtel.es (unknown [212.73.32.197]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1138044337 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 06:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Document To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com From: jgato@airtel.es Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:18:14 +0200 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on M2-SMTP3/AIRTEL(Version 5.0.2c (Esp.)|8 febrero del 2000) at 05/19/2000 12:21:29 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Reply-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF SPIRITS Working Group X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Hi all, First of all, I would like to thank all who had contributed to the Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Document. I appreciate your effort sharing your experiences and ideas. I have some comments regarding the Korea Telecom's ICW Implementation. While it is very detailled, which helps the reader to understand the service, I think the presented SIP/INAP flows need further refinement. I am not an SIP expert myself, but I can see some errors in the flows (it may be I do not understand them properly), like: - wrong Cseq values, - wrong "To" and "Via" fields in some methods, - sending BYE methods after the connection to the internet has been released (in the flow where the call is accepted), - extra BYE in the forwarded call flows where no "200, OK" was sent, - some others (like ACK or 200,OK missing in some flows). By the way, I have not seen anything from PINT being used ("standard" SIP is used instead). Is there anything from PINT protocol used?. In regards to the INAP operations, I would suggest that they are completed. For example: - when it is indicated that an announcement is played, a CTR and a PA could be added, - before connecting the call to the destination, the announcement needs to be stopped (a DFC could be used for that), - to detect a ERB a RRBE needs to be sent in advance. It would also nice to know the events to be monitored. I must stress that the problems I have found in the flows are not essential to understand the ICW architecture presented (in fact the flows are helpful). However, I think that they should be correct so that anybody reading the document does not get confused. If you think it can be helpful, I can send a detailled list of the issues I have. Please feel free to contact me. Regards, Jorge Gato IN & Switching Evolution Airtel Movil Spain Alec Brusilovsky @lists.bell-labs.com con fecha 16/05/2000 14:04:02 Por favor, responda a spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Enviado por: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Asunto: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Document Dear Good Spirited listmates, The newly published I-D, that can be found at: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-implementations-00.txt is a candidate for the Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Informational RFC. Both Steve and I are encouraging online discussion of this document. Current Last call status is valid through June 14. After that date and upon reaching consensus, the resulting document will be submitted to IESG. Congratulations to the team of authors led by Hui-Lan Lu for the job well done! Regards, Alec _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Fri May 19 08:31:53 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA04243 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F7C443BD; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from ktemail.kt.co.kr (unknown [147.6.112.223]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 215304435B for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 08:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by ktemail.kt.co.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA23874 for spirits@lists.bell-labs.com.procmail; Fri, 19 May 2000 21:28:09 +0900 (KST) Received: from kt.co.kr ([147.6.18.214]) by ktemail.kt.co.kr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24738 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 21:28:08 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <3925375B.1774FFD3@kt.co.kr> Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:45:15 +0900 From: =?EUC-KR?B?yLLB+LDm?= Organization: =?EUC-KR?B?x9GxucXrvcU=?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-MAIL-AUTHOR: jkhwang@kt.co.kr X-MAIL-MESSAGEID: yexbgywsgdaspirits Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current PracticeDocument References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------C7C521CE92627F9F4294A95C" Reply-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF SPIRITS Working Group X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------C7C521CE92627F9F4294A95C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=EUC-KR Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thank you Mr. Jorge Gato for your kind comments. I agree that some parts of it (Via, Cseq) are not clearly described, and I will fix and resend it to the editor ( thank you again, editors). But your mention of BYE, I think it is not sent to the disconnected Internet user but to ICW server from SCGF for recording call completion results. And the other regard of BYE, we change original definition of BYE and add a function to deliver the call processing results on its body. It's one of our intention that there may(should ?) be some changes for this 'call results delivery mechanism' in the SPIRITS protocol. (I am not sure that the SUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY can do that or not.) As for the reference of PINT protocol, we implemented PINT protocols that have usage of telephone specific SDP body and SUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY for Click-To-Dial service, and apply it to the ICW implementation. So I refer it PINT. Please comment about this term. And other parts of INAP operations, detailed SIP messages were omitted for highlighting only the Interworking part. If you have further comments on it, please give us it for the original document to be updated before June as Alec mentioned. Thank you again Mr. Gato for the considerations. Best regards, Jinkyung Hwang Korea Telecom jgato@airtel.es wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I would like to thank all who had contributed to the > Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice > Document. I appreciate your effort sharing your experiences and ideas. > > I have some comments regarding the Korea Telecom's ICW Implementation. > While it is > very detailled, which helps the reader to understand the service, I think > the presented > SIP/INAP flows need further refinement. > > I am not an SIP expert myself, but I can see some errors in the flows (it > may be I do not > understand them properly), like: > > - wrong Cseq values, > - wrong "To" and "Via" fields in some methods, > - sending BYE methods after the connection to the internet has been > released > (in the flow where the call is accepted), > - extra BYE in the forwarded call flows where no "200, OK" was sent, > - some others (like ACK or 200,OK missing in some flows). > > By the way, I have not seen anything from PINT being used ("standard" SIP > is used > instead). Is there anything from PINT protocol used?. > > In regards to the INAP operations, I would suggest that they are completed. > For example: > > - when it is indicated that an announcement is played, a CTR and a PA could > be added, > - before connecting the call to the destination, the announcement needs to > be stopped > (a DFC could be used for that), > - to detect a ERB a RRBE needs to be sent in advance. It would also nice to > know the > events to be monitored. > > I must stress that the problems I have found in the flows are not essential > to understand > the ICW architecture presented (in fact the flows are helpful). However, I > think that > they should be correct so that anybody reading the document does not get > confused. > > If you think it can be helpful, I can send a detailled list of the issues I > have. Please feel > free to contact me. > > Regards, > > Jorge Gato > IN & Switching Evolution > Airtel Movil > Spain > > Alec Brusilovsky @lists.bell-labs.com con fecha > 16/05/2000 14:04:02 > > Por favor, responda a spirits@lists.bell-labs.com > > Enviado por: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > > Asunto: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice > Document > > Dear Good Spirited listmates, > > The newly published I-D, that can be found at: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-implementations-00.txt > > is a candidate for the Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Informational RFC. > > Both Steve and I are encouraging online discussion of this document. > > Current Last call status is valid through June 14. After that date and > upon reaching consensus, the resulting document will be submitted to > IESG. > > Congratulations to the team of authors led by Hui-Lan Lu for the job > well done! > > Regards, > Alec > > _______________________________________________ > SPIRITS mailing list > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits --------------C7C521CE92627F9F4294A95C Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=EUC-KR; name="jkhwang.vcf" Content-Description: Card for ȲÁø°æ Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="jkhwang.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit begin:vcard n:;Ms. Jinkyung Hwang tel;fax:+82-2-526-6118 tel;work:+82-2-526-6830 x-mozilla-html:TRUE org:Korea Telecom;Intelligent Network Team version:2.1 email;internet:jkhwang@kt.co.kr title:Technical Staff adr;quoted-printable:;;17 Woomyun-dong Seocho-gu=0D=0ASeoul Korea;;;; x-mozilla-cpt:;-23600 fn:Ms. Jinkyung Hwang end:vcard --------------C7C521CE92627F9F4294A95C-- _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Fri May 19 09:42:40 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA05103 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9FC443D7; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from m2-pasarela3.airtel.es (unknown [212.73.32.197]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BCE5443C7 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 09:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current PracticeDocument To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com From: jgato@airtel.es Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 15:16:19 +0200 Message-ID: X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on M2-SMTP3/AIRTEL(Version 5.0.2c (Esp.)|8 febrero del 2000) at 05/19/2000 03:42:35 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-kr Reply-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 1.1 Precedence: bulk List-Id: IETF SPIRITS Working Group X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com $)C Hi Jinkyung, Thanks for the quick answer and clarifications. I had not noticed that the BYE after an accepted call was not sent to the ICW Client, but just to the ICW Server (sorry), so you are right: it can be sent. No BYE is sent to the ICW Client, but there is no need for it, since the call has been already released, right?. After your explanation, now I understand why you send BYE at the end of the call (to notify the call processing results). I also understand that you send BYE as a response to a "303, See Other" with this purpose (is not needed from a SIP point of view, as far as I know). In regards to my PINT comment, what I meant is that I was not clear which PINT specific additions to SIP you were using in your ICW Implementation. Again, I would like to thank your contribution and I send you my congratulations for your ICW work. Regards, Jorge Gato IN & Switching Evolution Airtel Movil H2Ax0f @lists.bell-labs.com con fecha 19/05/2000 14:45:15 Por favor, responda a spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Enviado por: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Asunto: Re: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current PracticeDocument Thank you Mr. Jorge Gato for your kind comments. I agree that some parts of it (Via, Cseq) are not clearly described, and I will fix and resend it to the editor ( thank you again, editors). But your mention of BYE, I think it is not sent to the disconnected Internet user but to ICW server from SCGF for recording call completion results. And the other regard of BYE, we change original definition of BYE and add a function to deliver the call processing results on its body. It's one of our intention that there may(should ?) be some changes for this 'call results delivery mechanism' in the SPIRITS protocol. (I am not sure that the SUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY can do that or not.) As for the reference of PINT protocol, we implemented PINT protocols that have usage of telephone specific SDP body and SUBSCRIBE/NOTIFY for Click-To-Dial service, and apply it to the ICW implementation. So I refer it PINT. Please comment about this term. And other parts of INAP operations, detailed SIP messages were omitted for highlighting only the Interworking part. If you have further comments on it, please give us it for the original document to be updated before June as Alec mentioned. Thank you again Mr. Gato for the considerations. Best regards, Jinkyung Hwang Korea Telecom jgato@airtel.es wrote: > Hi all, > > First of all, I would like to thank all who had contributed to the > Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice > Document. I appreciate your effort sharing your experiences and ideas. > > I have some comments regarding the Korea Telecom's ICW Implementation. > While it is > very detailled, which helps the reader to understand the service, I think > the presented > SIP/INAP flows need further refinement. > > I am not an SIP expert myself, but I can see some errors in the flows (it > may be I do not > understand them properly), like: > > - wrong Cseq values, > - wrong "To" and "Via" fields in some methods, > - sending BYE methods after the connection to the internet has been > released > (in the flow where the call is accepted), > - extra BYE in the forwarded call flows where no "200, OK" was sent, > - some others (like ACK or 200,OK missing in some flows). > > By the way, I have not seen anything from PINT being used ("standard" SIP > is used > instead). Is there anything from PINT protocol used?. > > In regards to the INAP operations, I would suggest that they are completed. > For example: > > - when it is indicated that an announcement is played, a CTR and a PA could > be added, > - before connecting the call to the destination, the announcement needs to > be stopped > (a DFC could be used for that), > - to detect a ERB a RRBE needs to be sent in advance. It would also nice to > know the > events to be monitored. > > I must stress that the problems I have found in the flows are not essential > to understand > the ICW architecture presented (in fact the flows are helpful). However, I > think that > they should be correct so that anybody reading the document does not get > confused. > > If you think it can be helpful, I can send a detailled list of the issues I > have. Please feel > free to contact me. > > Regards, > > Jorge Gato > IN & Switching Evolution > Airtel Movil > Spain > > Alec Brusilovsky @lists.bell-labs.com con fecha > 16/05/2000 14:04:02 > > Por favor, responda a spirits@lists.bell-labs.com > > Enviado por: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com > > Asunto: [SPIRITS] WG Last Call annoncement - Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice > Document > > Dear Good Spirited listmates, > > The newly published I-D, that can be found at: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-implementations-00.txt > > is a candidate for the Pre-SPIRITS Current Practice Informational RFC. > > Both Steve and I are encouraging online discussion of this document. > > Current Last call status is valid through June 14. After that date and > upon reaching consensus, the resulting document will be submitted to > IESG. > > Congratulations to the team of authors led by Hui-Lan Lu for the job > well done! > > Regards, > Alec > > _______________________________________________ > SPIRITS mailing list > SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com > http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Thu May 25 18:28:07 2000 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21969 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEFF64437F; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@share.research.bell-labs.com Received: from crufty.research.bell-labs.com (crufty.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.49]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 33FF744376 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lists.bell-labs.com ([135.104.27.211]) by crufty; Thu May 25 18:27:01 EDT 2000 Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id 93A1E44341; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com Received: from lists.research.bell-labs.com (paperless.dnrc.bell-labs.com [135.180.161.172]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B68A44345 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.research.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id CA9E152C8; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@lists.research.bell-labs.com Received: from hotair.hobl.lucent.com (hotair.hobl.lucent.com [199.118.135.2]) by lists.research.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 198B652B6; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bell-labs.com by hotair.hobl.lucent.com (SMI-8.6/EMS-1.5 sol2) id SAA24821; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:34 -0400 Message-ID: <392DA58C.4EA2AFFE@bell-labs.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:13:32 -0400 From: faynberg@bell-labs.com Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en]C-CCK-MCD EMS-1.4 (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pint , SPIRITSList Cc: sob@harvard.edu, oran@cisco.com X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SPIRITS] Jolly Good! 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