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Gurbani" Organization: Wireless Netwoks Group User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Rosenberg Cc: Simple WG , SPIRITS list References: <3F0A67C6.9070004@dynamicsoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SPIRITS] Re: [Simple] New I-D on presence states for phones Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2003 10:02:46 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > Folks, > > In case folks havent seen it, I wanted to call your attention to: > > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-rosenberg-peterson-simple-pidf-phone-00.txt > > http://www.jdrosen.net/papers/draft-rp-simple-pidf-phone-00.txt > http://www.jdrosen.net/papers/draft-rp-simple-pidf-phone-00.html > > This draft, written by Jon and myself, defines some PIDF extensions for > describing phones, including traditional "black" phones, wireless phones > and enterprise phones. I think these will provide invaluable for a > device-centric view of a presentity. > > Comments and questions welcome. Jonathan: Generally, you describe what sort of presence information to offer without going into the details of *how* the presence information is actually generated in the first place. There are strong synergies here in the work we are finishing up in SPIRITS WG. The SPIRITS protocol I-D (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-protocol-05.txt), which is now complete, provides the primitives on the how part for wirless and wireline networks. I think a cross reference to this I-D may give the reader a better overall picture. I have published an individual I-D on the implementation of presence information for POTS phones using SPIRITS (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gurbani-spirits-implementation-00.txt). Your phone-state extensions to PIDF provide a richer set of information. In our initial implementation, we simply used an XML extension to indicate how long a phone user has been in a call. Your I-D can refer to the work in the SPIRITS protocol I-D, especially in Sections 1 (Introduction), 3 (POTS Line State) and 5 (Wireless Phone State). I'd be more than glad to work with you to see how to best tie up the work going on in the SPIRITS WG and SIMPLE for presence on phone lines. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani vkg@{lucent.com,research.bell-labs.com,acm.org} Wireless Networks Group/Internet Software and Services Lucent Technologies/Bell Labs Innovations, 2000 Lucent Lane, Rm 6G-440 Naperville, Illinois 60566 Voice: +1 630 224 0216 _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits From spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Wed Jul 9 09:36:47 2003 Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (share.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.58]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00352 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from share.research.bell-labs.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h69DU1j04680; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 09:30:01 -0400 Received: from dirty.research.bell-labs.com (ns1.research.bell-labs.com [204.178.16.6]) by share.research.bell-labs.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6971qj01205 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:01:52 -0400 Received: from lists.bell-labs.com (H-135-104-27-211.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.27.211]) by dirty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6971VHa009333 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) id F3038443A5; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Delivered-To: spirits@sunny.research.bell-labs.com Received: from scummy.research.bell-labs.com (guard.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.10]) by lists.bell-labs.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CEF443A4 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dusty.research.bell-labs.com (dusty.research.bell-labs.com [135.104.2.7]) by scummy.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6971K1u057290 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.dynamicsoft.com ([63.113.44.69]) by dusty.research.bell-labs.com (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h6970fUx075609 for ; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dynamicsoft.com ([63.113.46.9]) by mail3.dynamicsoft.com (8.12.8/8.12.1) with ESMTP id h6970liB006171; Wed, 9 Jul 2003 03:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3F0BBD99.1090807@dynamicsoft.com> From: Jonathan Rosenberg Organization: dynamicsoft User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Cc: Simple WG , SPIRITS list References: <3F0A67C6.9070004@dynamicsoft.com> <3F0ADD16.2010907@lucent.com> In-Reply-To: <3F0ADD16.2010907@lucent.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [SPIRITS] Re: [Simple] New I-D on presence states for phones Sender: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com Errors-To: spirits-admin@lists.bell-labs.com X-BeenThere: spirits@lists.bell-labs.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2003 03:00:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit inline. Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: > Jonathan Rosenberg wrote: > > Generally, you describe what sort of presence information to offer > without going into the details of *how* the presence information > is actually generated in the first place. Right. There are LOTS of ways. SPIRITS is one of them, but definitely not the only one. The information in the presence document exists across a bunch of different PSTN elements, including HLRs, VLRs, MSCs, etc. There are strong > synergies here in the work we are finishing up in SPIRITS WG. The > SPIRITS protocol I-D > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-spirits-protocol-05.txt), > which is now complete, provides the primitives on the how part > for wirless and wireline networks. I think a cross reference to > this I-D may give the reader a better overall picture. OK, I will add a reference in the next revision (assuming there is one). > > I have published an individual I-D on the implementation of presence > information for POTS phones using SPIRITS > (http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-gurbani-spirits-implementation-00.txt). > > Your phone-state extensions to PIDF provide a richer set of > information. In our initial implementation, we simply used an > XML extension to indicate how long a phone user has been in a > call. I think the rpids "from" element would work well for that. -Jonathan R. -- Jonathan D. Rosenberg, Ph.D. 600 Lanidex Plaza Chief Technology Officer Parsippany, NJ 07054-2711 dynamicsoft jdrosen@dynamicsoft.com FAX: (973) 952-5050 http://www.jdrosen.net PHONE: (973) 952-5000 http://www.dynamicsoft.com _______________________________________________ SPIRITS mailing list SPIRITS@lists.bell-labs.com http://lists.bell-labs.com/mailman/listinfo/spirits