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Hi WG, 
We have posted a new version of https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-lp-idr-sr-path-protection-01.txt .
This draft  proposes extensions of BGP in order to  provide path protection information of segment lists when delivering SR policy. And it also extends BGP-LS to provide some extra information of the segment list in the advertisement.
We would like to request your review and  feedback/comments.

Best Regards,
Yao



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Name:        draft-lp-idr-sr-path-protection
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Title:        BGP Extensions of SR Policy for Path Protection
Document date:    2021-05-19
Group:        Individual Submission
Pages:        8
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-lp-idr-sr-path-protection-01.txt
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This document proposes extensions of BGP to provide protection
information of segment lists within a candidate path when delivering
SR policy.  And it also extends BGP-LS to provide some extra
information of the segment list in the advertisement.
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Hi WG,



Recently we published a new draft on data fields encapsulation model of IOA=
M TLV in SRv6 network:



URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-qiu-spring-srv6-ioam-=
encap-model-00.txt

Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-qiu-spring-srv6-ioam=
-encap-model/

Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-qiu-spring-srv6=
-ioam-encap-model



It introduces the data fields encapsulation model of IOAM TLV for the Segme=
nt Routing headend with H.Encaps encapsulation behavior in SRv6 network.



Your review and comments are welcome.



Best regards,

Yuanxiang

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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi WG, <o:p></o:p></span></p=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Recently we published a new =
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Hi WG,



Recently we published a new draft on data fields encapsulation model of IOA=
M TLV in SRv6 network:



URL:            https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-qiu-spring-srv6-ioam-=
encap-model-00.txt

Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-qiu-spring-srv6-ioam=
-encap-model/

Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-qiu-spring-srv6=
-ioam-encap-model



It introduces the data fields encapsulation model of IOAM TLV for the Segme=
nt Routing headend with H.Encaps encapsulation behavior in SRv6 network.



Your review and comments are welcome.



Best regards,

Jinrong



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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Recently we published a new =
draft on data fields encapsulation model of IOAM TLV in SRv6 network:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">URL:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-qiu-spring-srv6-ioam-encap-model-00.t=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">It introduces the data field=
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caps encapsulation behavior in SRv6 network.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></sp=
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Fan, I am a bit confused by your statement below.
the Detnet architecture, and the sublayer split therein, is not specific 
to SR-MPLS.  It applies as much to SRv6.  It would be very unusual, and 
need strong justification, for the SPRING WG to decide to change the 
published Detnet architecture.

Yours,
Joel (speaking as a participant)

On 6/4/2021 5:44 AM, Yangfan (IP Standard) wrote:
> Hi Jeffrey,
> 
> You are right about how redundancy protection is used in SR-MPLS. In 
> DetNet definition, S-label is purely functional not routable as it is in 
> service sub-layer. In the draft, we separate the redundancy segment 
> specification in two subsections, SR-MPLS and SRv6. For SR-MPLS, 
> redundancy segment obeys RFC8964. We are aligned on this point.
> 
> Regarding SRv6, DetNet doesn’t have SRv6 data plane specification, so 
> redundancy protection has no guide to follow. In the latest version of 
> draft, redundancy protection is defined to extend the capabilities in SR 
> paradigm to support the redundancy protection in a DetNet environment. 
> It should be allowed to define redundancy segment as a routable segment 
> in SRv6.
> 
> I will set aside time to reply to your other emails today. Thanks a lot! J
> 
> Fan
> 
> *发件人:*Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang [mailto:zzhang@juniper.net]
> *发送时间:*2021年5月27日1:42
> *收件人:*Yangfan (IP Standard) <shirley.yangfan@huawei.com>; 'Rishabh 
> Parekh' <rishabhp@gmail.com>
> *抄送:*Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com>; 'Rishabh 
> Parekh (riparekh)' <riparekh@cisco.com>; 'Arvind Venkateswaran 
> (arvvenka)' <arvvenka@cisco.com>; 'spring@ietf.org' <spring@ietf.org>
> *主题:*RE: [spring] RE: Comments on 
> draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection
> 
> Hi Fan,
> 
> More discussions on whether the redundancy/merging segment is a 
> topological/routable segment.
> 
> In case of SR-MPLS, draft-geng says:
> 
>     In SR over MPLS, Redundancy Segment acts as DetNet S-Label to
> 
>     explicitly identify the replication function on redundancy node.
> 
>     Redundancy segment is allocated from redundancy node, and is
> 
>     provisioned to the ingress node of SR domain by the controller plane
> 
>     via PCEP, BGP, or NetConf protocols.
> 
> According to RFC 8964:
> 
>     S-Label       A DetNet "service" label that is used between DetNet
> 
>                   nodes that implement the DetNet service sub-layer
> 
>                   functions.  An S-Label is used to identify a DetNet
> 
>                   flow at the DetNet service sub-layer at a receiving
> 
>                   DetNet node.
> 
> The S-label identifies the flow only. PRF/PEF/POF are not indicated by 
> the S-label, though the <S-label, SN> provides information needed for 
> PEF/POF.
> 
> Additionally, an S-Label certainly is not routable. If you consider the 
> redundancy node A and merging node D a pair of DetNet source/destination 
> node, adding PEF/POF semantics to an S-label may be reasonable (A 
> imposes the S-label and D knows that the S-label has merging semantics). 
> However, for the label that the ingress node imposes, which has both the 
> “route to A” and “Replicate by A” semantics, calling it an S-Label just 
> does not conform to RFC 8964.
> 
> In SRv6 case, while you could say that the redundancy segment is a 
> routable one, but that is true for an replication segment as well. An 
> SRv6 SID is a <locator, function, argument> tuple. A replication SID is 
> really just the “function” part, and the locator is used to get to the 
> node – whether it is a root, leaf or intermediate replication node.
> 
> Jeffrey
> 
> *From:*Yangfan (IP Standard) <shirley.yangfan@huawei.com 
> <mailto:shirley.yangfan@huawei.com>>
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 20, 2021 8:59 AM
> *To:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net 
> <mailto:zzhang@juniper.net>>; 'Rishabh Parekh' <rishabhp@gmail.com 
> <mailto:rishabhp@gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com 
> <mailto:gengxuesong@huawei.com>>; 'Rishabh Parekh (riparekh)' 
> <riparekh@cisco.com <mailto:riparekh@cisco.com>>; 'Arvind Venkateswaran 
> (arvvenka)' <arvvenka@cisco.com <mailto:arvvenka@cisco.com>>; 
> 'spring@ietf.org' <spring@ietf.org <mailto:spring@ietf.org>>
> *Subject:* 答复: [spring] RE: Comments on 
> draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection
> 
> *[External Email. Be cautious of content]*
> 
> Hi Jeff,
> 
> Thank you for your explanations about the SID list encapsulation and SID 
> process on each node. It did help a lot to understand how Replication 
> SID can be used in redundancy protection.
> 
> I move one of your comments from the other email here to focus on the 
> packet forwarding discussion in this thread.
> 
> As for the 3 deferred “homework”, feel free to come back when you are 
> available.
> 
> Much appreciated with these deep discussions. Some feedbacks please see 
> inline.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Fan
> 
> *发件人:*Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang [mailto:zzhang@juniper.net 
> <mailto:zzhang@juniper.net>]
> *发送时间:*2021年5月20日1:43
> *收件人:*Yangfan (IP Standard) <shirley.yangfan@huawei.com 
> <mailto:shirley.yangfan@huawei.com>>; 'Rishabh Parekh' 
> <rishabhp@gmail.com <mailto:rishabhp@gmail.com>>
> *抄送:*Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com 
> <mailto:gengxuesong@huawei.com>>; 'Rishabh Parekh (riparekh)' 
> <riparekh@cisco.com <mailto:riparekh@cisco.com>>; 'Arvind Venkateswaran 
> (arvvenka)' <arvvenka@cisco.com <mailto:arvvenka@cisco.com>>; 
> 'spring@ietf.org' <spring@ietf.org <mailto:spring@ietf.org>>
> *主题:*RE: [spring] RE: Comments on 
> draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection
> 
> Hi Fan,
> 
> Sorry for the late response. Please see zzh> below.
> 
> *From:*Yangfan (IP Standard) <shirley.yangfan@huawei.com 
> <mailto:shirley.yangfan@huawei.com>>
> *Sent:* Monday, May 17, 2021 9:20 AM
> *To:* Jeffrey (Zhaohui) Zhang <zzhang@juniper.net 
> <mailto:zzhang@juniper.net>>; 'Rishabh Parekh' <rishabhp@gmail.com 
> <mailto:rishabhp@gmail.com>>
> *Cc:* Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com 
> <mailto:gengxuesong@huawei.com>>; 'Rishabh Parekh (riparekh)' 
> <riparekh@cisco.com <mailto:riparekh@cisco.com>>; 'Arvind Venkateswaran 
> (arvvenka)' <arvvenka@cisco.com <mailto:arvvenka@cisco.com>>; 
> 'spring@ietf.org' <spring@ietf.org <mailto:spring@ietf.org>>
> *Subject:* RE: [spring] RE: Comments on 
> draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection
> 
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> 
> Hi Jeffrey,
> 
> To summarize the discussions a bit, I have two questions and hope to 
> hear your comments and clarifications.
> 
> Q1: Are there any questionsfor clarifications or open issueswith the 
> current solution of redundancy-SID+Merging-SID+redundancy policy? If so, 
> we would like to clarify them first.
> 
> Zzh> No.
> 
> Fan1>> It is very good and important if the current redundancy 
> protection mechanism can be understood clearly in WG.
> 
> Q2:
> 
> Figure 1 in draft-geng-spring-sr-redundnacy-protection is the typical 
> topology for Redundancy Protection in SR domain, as shown below.
> 
> ingress------A (R)-------B-------D(M)-------egress
> 
>          +------C------------+
> 
>                      +----E-------+
> 
> Could you please explain how exactly Tree-SID solution is used in data 
> plane for redundancy protection? For example, how the SR SID List is 
> assigned, how the packet is encapsulated and forwarded from R1 to R2 in 
> data plane, how Tree-SID and Replication SID are configured on network 
> nodes, etc.
> 
> Zzh> I sort of replied in my late response to the other email, but let 
> me reply here as well because that thread was indeed getting very deep.
> 
> Zzh> I changed the letters so that we can distinguish between node 
> representation and function representation. A is the redundancy node and 
> D is merging node. I also added another node E.
> 
> Zzh6> Unlike unicast where you use a segment list to encode the path 
> that a packet flows through, with multicast it is impractical to encode 
> a (sub-)tree as a segment list. Therefore, for SR-P2MP, an replication 
> tree is not represented by a segment list. Rather, each 
> root/replication/leaf node on a tree installs a replication segment to 
> represent how replication is done on that node for that tree, and only 
> one SID is needed in the packet for it to flow from the root to all the 
> leaves through the intermediate replication points. This is exactly like 
> today’s P2MP tunnel in the forwarding plane. We can put aside the 
> argument “oh this requires per-flow state” here, as it is not relevant 
> to our topic here.
> 
> Fan1>> To differentiate the node representation and function 
> representation actually reveals a significant difference between 
> Replication SID and Redundancy SID.  In terms of SRv6, Replication 
> Segment is a local and non-routed segment, and Redundancy Segment is a 
> routed segment. And the merging segment in redundancy protection is also 
> a routed (topological) SID with merging function.
> 
> As you mentioned, it is impractical to use a segment list to encode a 
> tree for multicast traffic. So Replication SID only represents the 
> replication function, moreover is designed to separate with the routed 
> Node SID, however the benefit is Replication SID can be identical on one 
> tree.
> 
> Meanwhile, Redundancy Segment is usually used for unicast traffic, it is 
> straightforward to design it as a routed and functional segment. It is 
> not necessary to separate the route and function apart into different 
> SIDs, at least it saves one 128bit SID space.
> 
> Zzh> Let’s say that we’ll only make two copies for D to receive. A and D 
> have replication segment R installed. R on A simply says “make two 
> copies, one through B and one through C”. B/C do not need any state 
> because A is simply going to tunnel through B/C respectively. R on D 
> simply says “I am a leaf so I just pop R”.
> 
> Zzh> The ingress will send packets with SL <A, R, M>. SID A gets the 
> packet to A, who sees R and do the replication (R is not popped by A). D 
> sees R in the SL and pops R (this is the replication segment behavior on 
> a leaf). It then sees M and do the merging. Alternatively, A could pop R 
> so D will see M directly and do the merging.
> 
> Zzh> Now let’s say we want to make three copies. The ingress will still 
> send the same SL. R on A now says “tunnel one copy to D through B and 
> send one copy to C” and C now also has R installed, saying “send one 
> copy to D directly and another copy to D via E”. Now three copies will 
> arrive on D (with A/C each replicating once). D sees R SID and pops the 
> R SID (as the behavior of replication segment on leaf). It then sees M 
> and do the merging.
> 
> Zzh> The replication is pure SR-P2MP behavior (assuming A does not need 
> to add FI/SN). M is pure non-topological merging behavior (relying on 
> the FI/SN added by the ingress node).
> 
> Fan1>> Thanks for your detailed explanations in this and other email, 
> now I think I understand how data plane works.  There are still details 
> needs further discussion,  e.g. in terms of SRv6, if B/C is downstream 
> nodes, in this sentence “D sees R SID and pops the R SID” pop means 
> remove the IPv6 header, in this case M SID will not be processed. But 
> that’s all right, there are surely a lot details if you want to design 
> one unified Segment can work for P2MP multicast and redundancy 
> protection, also unified in SR-MPLS and SRv6. We can surely continue the 
> discussions.
> 
> Zzh> Thanks.
> 
> Zzh> Jeffrey
> 
> I don’t think I understand the entire forwarding flow correctly. In fact 
> we are very interested in Tree-SID solution as it has been adopted as a 
> WG work. It would be very helpful if you or anyone can provide a 
> detailed illustration or comparison, for instance like the way of the 
> Appendix in replication SID/Tree SID drafts.
> 
> Looking forward to your reply!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Fan
> 
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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
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Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
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020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion doc=
ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IPPM WG has adopted <span lang=3D"EN-CA"><a href=
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 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp=
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PPM WG. This has now happened and
 therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING =
document.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial=
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
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t</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Please als=
o provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence wi=
ll not be considered as consent.</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Monday, 7 June 2021 08:34
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-srpm-00<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp=
s%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00=
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d/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion doc=
ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> spring &lt;spring-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 7 June 2021 08:34<br>
<b>To:</b> spring@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> spring-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted </span>=
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 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ga=
ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companion document =
was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has
 now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adopti=
on of the SPRING document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Due to the lapse of several mon=
ths since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start anot=
her 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Please als=
o provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence wi=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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I support this document for WG adoption. It addresses an important issue.
Thanks.
Jorge

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <jguicha=
r@futurewei.com>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:34 PM
To: spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org <spring-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-srpm-00<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp=
s%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00=
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ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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n behalf of James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 7, 2021 at 2:34 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
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20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
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Support for WG adoption

Regards,
Luay

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <jguicha=
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Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 7:34 AM
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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
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Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
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020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion doc=
ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Luay<o:p></o:p></p>
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ounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&=
gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 7, 2021 at 7:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear WG:</p>
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document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 2020), the =
SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp=
-srpm-06.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srp=
m-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the I=
PPM WG. This has now happened and
 therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING =
document.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial=
 WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoptio=
n call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
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t</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. =
Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as =
silence will not be considered as consent.</span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno</p>
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Yes, support.

Best regards,
Mach

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-srpm-00<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp=
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eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 7, 2021 8:34 PM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted </span>=
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Hi Chairs and Group,

At the last IETF meeting, the SRCOMP design team planed to release a full
version of the analysis draft by the end of May. 

Due to some chapters took longer time, we had two weeks delays. 

Recently, We've made a lot of progress, and we expect to post the full
version of analysis draft by end of this week.

According to the requirements draft[1], the analysis document will provide
some detailed analysis and comparison for four compression drafts,
including: C-SID[1], CRH[2], vSID[3], UIDSID[4]. 

The design team hopes this information will help speed up the standard
process.

 

[1]
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requiremen
t-03.txt

[2]
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-filsfilscheng-spring-srv6-srh-comp-sl-
enc-02.txt

[3] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bonica-6man-comp-rtg-hdr-24.txt

[4] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-decraene-spring-srv6-vlsid-04.txt

[5] https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-mirsky-6man-unified-id-sr-08.txt

 

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng


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and Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>At the last IETF meeting, the SRCOMP design team planed to =
release a full version of the analysis draft by the end of May. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Due to =
some chapters took longer time, we had two weeks delays. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Recently, =
We've made a lot of progress, and we expect to post the full version of =
analysis draft by end of this week.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>According to the requirements =
draft[1], the analysis document will provide some detailed analysis and =
comparison for four compression drafts, including: C-SID[1], CRH[2], =
vSID[3], UIDSID[4]. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>The design team hopes this information will help speed up =
the standard process.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>[1] <a =
href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-srcompdt-spring-compression=
-requirement-03.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-srcompdt-sprin=
g-compression-requirement-03.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>[2] <a =
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rh-comp-sl-enc-02.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-filsfilschen=
g-spring-srv6-srh-comp-sl-enc-02.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for your reply.
Please see inline [Bruno]

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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Following up on this. Please see inline.

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Hi authors, WG,

Speaking as the shepherd.

Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.

I've reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find bel=
ow some additional comments.

=3D=3D=3D
SR-MPLS  =A76.1

" At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF l=
abel at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to=
 disable Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh=
-sr-04 is mandating.

I"m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:
- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and=
 there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, th=
is prefix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers t=
o a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)
- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed " At the end of the=
 SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an  indication to the tail-end tha=
t NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack  as described by [RFC8596].

Jim> I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:

   As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix
   segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected
   neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform
   the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.
   When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the
   NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.  This
   is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore
   the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be
   advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop
   node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and
   thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.  This is realized by setting No-
   PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].  It is
   RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for
   use by the SFC application for this purpose.

   Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the
   SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end
   that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].

So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment a=
s the indicator as described by the 1st paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second paragraph.

[Bruno] There are two options but the text currently says that the first op=
tion MUST be used ("the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC =
MUST be advertised with the CONTINUE operation") which seems to nullifies t=
he second paragraph ("Alternatively, ").
So may be some rephrasing may be needed to indeed allow both options.



Also
"   At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

In the scheme "SR-based SFC", "the end of the SR-MPLS" is only the last SF =
(not all other SF on the SF chain).
So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS =
label stack?
Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF al=
ong the SR-MPLS path

Jim> as far as I can tell "other SFC" do not need an indication as the pref=
ix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack and fo=
rward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the prefix SID.

[Bruno] OK for SRv6.

For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft says "In the case of SR-MPLS this wi=
ll be a prefix SID [RFC8402<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8402>]"

 - Can it use the "regular" prefix SID? (draft only says that It is RECOMME=
NDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SF=
C application for this purpose.)

 - If not, does it needs a specific & dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem t=
o mandate that a Prefix Segment be an IGP prefix segment and that a single =
prefix-SID be advertised per tuple <prefix, topology, algorithm>

 - How does the ingress know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-base=
d SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?


=3D=3D=3D
This document defines two schemes: NSH-based SFC and SR-based SFC.

=A75 is called "Packet Processing Details" but seems to only cover SRv6 and=
  the "SR-based SFC" scheme.

Jim> I will change the title to reflect these details are only applicable t=
o SR-based SFC (see below).
[Bruno] OK


If so,
- it would be good if the title/section hierarchy could reflect this.

Jim> done (see below).
[Bruno] I'm assuming that this is 'done' in your local repo as I'm not seei=
ng the change https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-s=
r#section-5


- what about the behavior for SR-MPLS with the "SR-based SFC" scheme (a pri=
ori with SR-MPLS you equally need a cache in order to re-push the SR-MPLS h=
eader)

Jim> for SR-MPLS the label semantics indicates the same processing logic. I=
 added some text and broke up the SR-based SFC packet processing section to=
 make this clearer.
[Bruno] Ack but again, I'm not seeing the text so I don't know how much thi=
s cover my point. Could you publish your local version?

=3D=3D=3D=3D
=A74
For "SR-based SFC", my understanding is that the Service Chain (ordered lis=
t of SF) is specified in the list of segments.
Please forgive my lack of NSH knowledge, but it seems to me that the NSH SP=
I look up may return multiple next-hop within a service path for a given SF=
 (e.g. for load balancing). (cf table 4 of RFC 8600).

Jim> yes that is true.

Here, if the NSH SPI change the SFC next-hop, the SR header on the packet w=
ill be completely wrong (well most probably the list of segment will overri=
de the choice from the NSH SPI look up). Is this a correct understanding?

Jim> no. The SR header is removed before the packet is forwarded to the SF =
so the SF next-hop is not relevant at the SFF when packets return as a look=
up on the SPI will be performed (note: SPI does not change regardless of SF=
 next-hop).
[Bruno] My original question was related to reclassification and branching =
but Greg raised the same question and you replied to him. So this close my =
question.

If so is this a bug or a feature? Either way, may be some text would need t=
o be added. e.g. to warn that such SFC feature is not available anymore.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Nits:
- I'm not a fan of the use of the term "details" which to me are "specifica=
tions". (e.g. "5. Packet Processing Details", "6. Encapsulation Details", "=
encapsulation details")

Jim> I can change "Encapsulation Details" to simply "Encapsulation", and "P=
acket Processing Details" to "Packet Processing for SR-based SFC". Would th=
at satisfy your comment?
[Bruno] Yes, thank you.
--Bruno

- ID Nits still reports one error (**) on the new text (in the abstract).
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sp=
ring-nsh-sr-04.txt

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

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Subject: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Dear WG,

This message starts a 2 weeks WG last call for draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr [1].

After review of the document please indicate whether you believe this docum=
ent should be progressed to the IESG.

In addition to yes/no, please consider providing a technical review of this=
 document; in particular if you care for this document.
Indeed, since WG adoption, this document had benefited from little reviews =
from the WG, so we need more review from the SPRING WG.

If you are aware of an implementation of this document, please report the i=
mplementation either on the list or to the chairs so that the shepherd can =
report implementations in the writeup.

Note that I'll forward that call to the SFC WG.

Thanks!

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so-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
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so-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for your reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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so-fareast-language:EN-US">Please see inline [Bruno]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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yle=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
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</b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN &lt;bruno.decraene@orange.com&gt;; spring=
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<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Following up on this. Please see inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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yle=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">
<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a> =
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/a>&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:41 PM<br>
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spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Hi authors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Speaking as the shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comment=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I&#8217;ve reviewed the document again, focusing on the ne=
w text. Please find below some additional comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">SR-MPLS&nbsp; =A76.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&quot; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to p=
rovide an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows t=
he SR-MPLS label stack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal b=
y adding an SFF label at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would no=
t be mandatory to disable Penultimate
 Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04 is mandating.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I&quot;m seeing two options that you could either choose f=
rom or describe both:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs t=
o be disabled and there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (=
alternatively, this prefix SID is _the_
 SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers to a local label(segmen=
t) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed &q=
uot; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an&nbsp; ind=
ication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS
 label stack&nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling exte=
nsion for IGP-Prefix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; segment includes a flag to indicate whether direc=
tly connected<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; neighbors of the node on which the prefix is atta=
ched should perform<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when=
 processing the SID.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessa=
ry to terminate the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS=
 label stack.&nbsp; This<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (U=
HP) and therefore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of th=
e SFC MUST be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that th=
e penultimate hop<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS la=
bel stack and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.&nbsp; This i=
s realized by setting No-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC866=
5].&nbsp; It is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocat=
ed at each node for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; use by the SFC application for this purpose.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, th=
en at the end of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indica=
tion to the tail-end<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as descr=
ibed by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the pre=
fix segment as the indicator as described by the 1<sup>st</sup> paragraph i=
n the new text, or 2) use an SFF label
 as described by the second paragraph.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno] There are two options but
 the text currently says that the first option MUST be used (&#8220;</span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US">the prefix-SID associated with
 the tail-end of the SFC MUST be advertised with the CONTINUE operation</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:=
EN-US">&#8221;)
 which seems to nullifies the second paragraph (&#8220;</span><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-lang=
uage:EN-US">Alternatively, &#8220;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">So may be some rephrasing may be
 needed to indeed allow both options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Also&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is ne=
cessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows t=
he SR-MPLS label stack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">In the scheme &quot;SR-based SFC&quot;, &quot;the end of t=
he SR-MPLS&quot; is only the last SF (not all other SF on the SF chain).<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH fol=
lows the SR-MPLS label stack?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/=
for all the SF along the SR-MPLS path<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; as far as I can tell &#8220;other SFC&#8221; do not ne=
ed an indication as the prefix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove a=
nd cache the SR stack and forward the NSH packet to the
 SF associated with the prefix SID. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno] OK for SRv6.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">For SR-MPLS, how does this work? D=
raft says &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-=
GB">In the case of SR-MPLS this will be a prefix SID [</span><a href=3D"htt=
ps://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/rfc8402" title=3D"&quot;Segment Routing =
Architecture&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
RFC8402</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">]&=
#8221; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&=
nbsp;</span>- Can it use the &#8220;regular&#8221; prefix SID? (draft only =
says that </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-=
fareast-language:EN-US">It is RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be all=
ocated at each node for use by the SFC application for this purpose.)<o:p><=
/o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif=
;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> - If not, does it needs a specifi=
c &amp; dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem to mandate that a Prefix Segmen=
t be an IGP prefix segment and that a single prefix-SID be advertised per <=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New=
 Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">tuple &lt;prefix, topology, algorithm=
&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;</span>- </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"=
>How does the ingress know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-based =
SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">This document defines two schemes: NSH-based SFC and SR-ba=
sed SFC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=A75 is called &quot;Packet Processing Details&quot; but s=
eems to only cover SRv6 and&nbsp; the &quot;SR-based SFC&quot; scheme.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; I will change the title to reflect these details are o=
nly applicable to SR-based SFC (see below).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno] OK<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">If so,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- it would be good if the title/section hierarchy could re=
flect this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; done (see below).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno] I&#8217;m assuming that this
 is &#8216;done&#8217; in your local repo as I&#8217;m not seeing the chang=
e <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr=
#section-5">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr#section-5</a=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- what about the behavior for SR-MPLS with the &quot;SR-ba=
sed SFC&quot; scheme (a priori with SR-MPLS you equally need a cache in ord=
er to re-push the SR-MPLS header)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; for SR-MPLS the label semantics indicates the same pro=
cessing logic. I added some text and broke up the SR-based SFC packet proce=
ssing section to make this clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno]
<span class=3D"SpellE">Ack</span> but again, I&#8217;m not seeing the text =
so I don&#8217;t know how much this cover my point. Could you publish your =
local version?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=A74<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">For &quot;SR-based SFC&quot;, my understanding is that the=
 Service Chain (ordered list of SF) is specified in the list of segments.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Please forgive my lack of NSH knowledge, but it seems to m=
e that the NSH SPI look up may return multiple next-hop within a service pa=
th for a given SF (e.g. for load balancing).
 (cf table 4 of RFC 8600).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; yes that is true.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Here, if the NSH SPI change the SFC next-hop, the SR heade=
r on the packet will be completely wrong (well most probably the list of se=
gment will override the choice from the
 NSH SPI look up). Is this a correct understanding? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; no. The SR header is removed before the packet is forw=
arded to the SF so the SF next-hop is not relevant at the SFF when packets =
return as a lookup on the SPI will be performed
 (note: SPI does not change regardless of SF next-hop).<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno] My original question was
 related to reclassification and branching but Greg raised the same questio=
n and you replied to him. So this close my question.</span><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;=
Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso=
-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">If so is this a bug or a feature? Either way, may be some =
text would need to be added. e.g. to warn that such SFC feature is not avai=
lable anymore.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Nits:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- I'm not a fan of the use of the term &quot;details&quot;=
 which to me are &quot;specifications&quot;. (e.g. &quot;5. Packet Processi=
ng Details&quot;, &quot;6. Encapsulation Details&quot;, &quot;encapsulation=
 details&quot;)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; I can change &#8220;Encapsulation Details&#8221; to si=
mply &#8220;Encapsulation&#8221;, and &#8220;Packet Processing Details&#822=
1; to &#8220;Packet Processing for SR-based SFC&#8221;. Would that satisfy =
your comment?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">[Bruno] Yes, thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;m=
so-fareast-language:EN-US">--Bruno</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font=
-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-s=
erif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-=
GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- ID Nits still reports one error (**) on the new text (in=
 the abstract).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id=
/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04.txt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB">https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id=
/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04.txt</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" styl=
e=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">--Bruno<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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4.0pt">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-outline-level:1"><b>From:</b> spring [<=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:spr=
ing-bounces@ietf.org"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:FR">mail=
to:spring-bounces@ietf.org</span></a></span>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">=
<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"mso=
-ansi-language:FR">bruno.decraene@orange.com</span></a></span><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href=
=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:FR=
">spring@ietf.org</span></a></span><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US"><a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"ms=
o-ansi-language:FR">draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</span></a></span><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></=
p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">Dear WG, <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">This message starts a 2 weeks WG last call for draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr =
[1].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">After review of the document please indicate whether you believe this do=
cument should be progressed to the IESG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">In addition to yes/no, please consider providing a technical review of t=
his document; in particular if you care for this document.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">Indeed, since WG adoption, this document had benefited from little revie=
ws from the WG, so we need more review from the SPRING WG.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">If you are aware of an implementation of this document, please report th=
e implementation either on the list or to the chairs so that the shepherd c=
an report implementations in the writeup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Integration of Network Service Header (NSH) and Segment Routing for Service Function Chaining (SFC)
        Authors         : James N Guichard
                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-06.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2021-06-08

Abstract:
   This document describes the integration of Network Service Header
   (NSH) and Segment Routing (SR), as well as encapsulation details, to
   support Service Function Chaining (SFC) in an efficient manner while
   maintaining separation of the service and transport planes as
   originally intended by the SFC architecture.

   Combining these technologies allows SR to be used for steering
   packets between Service Function Forwarders (SFF) along a given
   Service Function Path (SFP) while NSH has the responsibility for
   maintaining the integrity of the service plane, the SFC instance
   context, and any associated metadata.

   The integration described in this document demonstrates that NSH and
   SR can work jointly and complement each other leaving the network
   operator with the flexibility to use whichever transport technology
   makes sense in specific areas of their network infrastructure, and
   still maintain an end-to-end service plane using NSH.


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Hi Bruno,

Sorry my mistake. I just uploaded my latest version. I will review your oth=
er comments and respond soon.

Thanks!

Jim

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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your reply.
Please see inline [Bruno]

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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Following up on this. Please see inline.

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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, WG,

Speaking as the shepherd.

Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.

I've reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find bel=
ow some additional comments.

=3D=3D=3D
SR-MPLS  =A76.1

" At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF l=
abel at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to=
 disable Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh=
-sr-04 is mandating.

I"m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:
- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and=
 there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, th=
is prefix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers t=
o a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)
- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed " At the end of the=
 SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an  indication to the tail-end tha=
t NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack  as described by [RFC8596].

Jim> I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:

   As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix
   segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected
   neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform
   the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.
   When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the
   NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.  This
   is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore
   the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be
   advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop
   node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and
   thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.  This is realized by setting No-
   PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].  It is
   RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for
   use by the SFC application for this purpose.

   Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the
   SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end
   that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].

So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment a=
s the indicator as described by the 1st paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second paragraph.

[Bruno] There are two options but the text currently says that the first op=
tion MUST be used ("the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC =
MUST be advertised with the CONTINUE operation") which seems to nullifies t=
he second paragraph ("Alternatively, ").
So may be some rephrasing may be needed to indeed allow both options.



Also
"   At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

In the scheme "SR-based SFC", "the end of the SR-MPLS" is only the last SF =
(not all other SF on the SF chain).
So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS =
label stack?
Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF al=
ong the SR-MPLS path

Jim> as far as I can tell "other SFC" do not need an indication as the pref=
ix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack and fo=
rward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the prefix SID.

[Bruno] OK for SRv6.

For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft says "In the case of SR-MPLS this wi=
ll be a prefix SID [RFC8402<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/=
?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&data=3D04%=
7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637587659333473559%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ=
sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1=
000&sdata=3D7p4OEBu%2Fztrqd3ZxPPAg0D4bSwgGSptR%2Ba%2FerR7zLkg%3D&reserved=
=3D0>]"

 - Can it use the "regular" prefix SID? (draft only says that It is RECOMME=
NDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SF=
C application for this purpose.)

 - If not, does it needs a specific & dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem t=
o mandate that a Prefix Segment be an IGP prefix segment and that a single =
prefix-SID be advertised per tuple <prefix, topology, algorithm>

 - How does the ingress know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-base=
d SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?


=3D=3D=3D
This document defines two schemes: NSH-based SFC and SR-based SFC.

=A75 is called "Packet Processing Details" but seems to only cover SRv6 and=
  the "SR-based SFC" scheme.

Jim> I will change the title to reflect these details are only applicable t=
o SR-based SFC (see below).
[Bruno] OK


If so,
- it would be good if the title/section hierarchy could reflect this.

Jim> done (see below).
[Bruno] I'm assuming that this is 'done' in your local repo as I'm not seei=
ng the change https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-s=
r#section-5<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%=
2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr%23section=
-5&data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a99=
1953%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637587659333483555%7CUnkn=
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CI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3DHMyievh8simrbem4zJvqrvnfrx3P7Je7DXzvjopEeEM%3D&res=
erved=3D0>


- what about the behavior for SR-MPLS with the "SR-based SFC" scheme (a pri=
ori with SR-MPLS you equally need a cache in order to re-push the SR-MPLS h=
eader)

Jim> for SR-MPLS the label semantics indicates the same processing logic. I=
 added some text and broke up the SR-based SFC packet processing section to=
 make this clearer.
[Bruno] Ack but again, I'm not seeing the text so I don't know how much thi=
s cover my point. Could you publish your local version?

=3D=3D=3D=3D
=A74
For "SR-based SFC", my understanding is that the Service Chain (ordered lis=
t of SF) is specified in the list of segments.
Please forgive my lack of NSH knowledge, but it seems to me that the NSH SP=
I look up may return multiple next-hop within a service path for a given SF=
 (e.g. for load balancing). (cf table 4 of RFC 8600).

Jim> yes that is true.

Here, if the NSH SPI change the SFC next-hop, the SR header on the packet w=
ill be completely wrong (well most probably the list of segment will overri=
de the choice from the NSH SPI look up). Is this a correct understanding?

Jim> no. The SR header is removed before the packet is forwarded to the SF =
so the SF next-hop is not relevant at the SFF when packets return as a look=
up on the SPI will be performed (note: SPI does not change regardless of SF=
 next-hop).
[Bruno] My original question was related to reclassification and branching =
but Greg raised the same question and you replied to him. So this close my =
question.

If so is this a bug or a feature? Either way, may be some text would need t=
o be added. e.g. to warn that such SFC feature is not available anymore.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Nits:
- I'm not a fan of the use of the term "details" which to me are "specifica=
tions". (e.g. "5. Packet Processing Details", "6. Encapsulation Details", "=
encapsulation details")

Jim> I can change "Encapsulation Details" to simply "Encapsulation", and "P=
acket Processing Details" to "Packet Processing for SR-based SFC". Would th=
at satisfy your comment?
[Bruno] Yes, thank you.
--Bruno

- ID Nits still reports one error (**) on the new text (in the abstract).
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sp=
ring-nsh-sr-04.txt<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dht=
tps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fidnits%3Furl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2F=
id%2Fdraft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04.txt&data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.=
com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7=
C1%7C1%7C637587659333483555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ=
QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3DXErzo0kEIPGNaBJB=
EsVW8XNet1fhMAnKioXNLVOnQl0%3D&reserved=3D0>

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

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Subject: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Dear WG,

This message starts a 2 weeks WG last call for draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr [1]=
.

After review of the document please indicate whether you believe this docum=
ent should be progressed to the IESG.

In addition to yes/no, please consider providing a technical review of this=
 document; in particular if you care for this document.
Indeed, since WG adoption, this document had benefited from little reviews =
from the WG, so we need more review from the SPRING WG.

If you are aware of an implementation of this document, please report the i=
mplementation either on the list or to the chairs so that the shepherd can =
report implementations in the writeup.

Note that I'll forward that call to the SFC WG.

Thanks!

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<https://nam11.safe=
links.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fd=
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--Bruno


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sorry my mistake. I just uploaded my latest version.=
 I will review your other comments and respond soon.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> bruno.decraene@orange.com &lt;bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;; spring@ietf.org<b=
r>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Thanks for your reply.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Please see inline [Bruno=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following up on this. Please see inline.<o:p></o:p><=
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ange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi auth=
ors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Speakin=
g as the shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217=
;ve reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find belo=
w some additional comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=3D=3D=
=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">SR-MPLS=
&nbsp; =A76.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&quot; =
At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">My unde=
rstanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF label at=
 the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to disabl=
e Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix
 SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04 is mandating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&quot;=
m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- a pre=
fix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and there =
is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, this pref=
ix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596,
 although 8596 refers to a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID =
is a global segment)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- use a=
 multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed &quot; At the end of the S=
R-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an&nbsp; indication to the tail-end =
that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack&nbsp; as described
 by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; I b=
elieve this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.&nbsp; This=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.&nbsp; This is realized by setting No=
-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].&nbsp; It is<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; use by the SFC application for this purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">So there ar=
e two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment as the indic=
ator as described by the 1<sup>st</sup> paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second
 paragraph.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] There are two op=
tions but the text currently says that the first option MUST be used (&#822=
0;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
ourier New&quot;;color:#4472C4">the
 prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be advertised with=
 the CONTINUE operation</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">&#8221;) which se=
ems to nullifies the second paragraph (&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4"=
>Alternatively,
 &#8220;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">So may be some rephrasin=
g may be needed to indeed allow both options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Also&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&quot;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">In the =
scheme &quot;SR-based SFC&quot;, &quot;the end of the SR-MPLS&quot; is only=
 the last SF (not all other SF on the SF chain).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">So how =
does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS label s=
tack?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Alterna=
tively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF along the=
 SR-MPLS path<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; as =
far as I can tell &#8220;other SFC&#8221; do not need an indication as the =
prefix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack an=
d forward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the
 prefix SID. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] OK for SRv6.<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft say=
s &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;">In the case of SR-MPLS this will be a prefix SID [=
</span><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&amp;data=3D04%=
7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637587659333473559%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ=
sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1=
000&amp;sdata=3D7p4OEBu%2Fztrqd3ZxPPAg0D4bSwgGSptR%2Ba%2FerR7zLkg%3D&amp;re=
served=3D0" title=3D"&quot;Segment Routing Architecture&quot;"><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB">RFC8402</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">]&#8221; <o:p></o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">&nbsp;- Can it use the &#8220;regular&#822=
1; prefix SID? (draft only says that </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">It is RECOMMENDED that=
 a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SFC applica=
tion for this purpose.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4"> - If not, does it needs a specific &amp; =
dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem to mandate that a Prefix Segment be an =
IGP prefix segment and that a single prefix-SID be advertised per </span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&=
quot;">tuple &lt;prefix, topology, algorithm&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;">&nbsp;- </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">How does the ingre=
ss know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-based SFC? And only to be=
 used for SR-based SFC?</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=3D=3D=
=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">This do=
cument defines two schemes: NSH-based SFC and SR-based SFC.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=A75 is=
 called &quot;Packet Processing Details&quot; but seems to only cover SRv6 =
and&nbsp; the &quot;SR-based SFC&quot; scheme.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; I w=
ill change the title to reflect these details are only applicable to SR-bas=
ed SFC (see below).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] OK<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">If so, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- it wo=
uld be good if the title/section hierarchy could reflect this.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; don=
e (see below).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] I&#8217;m assumi=
ng that this is &#8216;done&#8217; in your local repo as I&#8217;m not seei=
ng the change
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr#section-5</a=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- what =
about the behavior for SR-MPLS with the &quot;SR-based SFC&quot; scheme (a =
priori with SR-MPLS you equally need a cache in order to re-push the SR-MPL=
S header)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; for=
 SR-MPLS the label semantics indicates the same processing logic. I added s=
ome text and broke up the SR-based SFC packet processing section to make th=
is clearer.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] Ack but again, I=
&#8217;m not seeing the text so I don&#8217;t know how much this cover my p=
oint. Could you publish your local version?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=3D=3D=
=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=A74<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">For &qu=
ot;SR-based SFC&quot;, my understanding is that the Service Chain (ordered =
list of SF) is specified in the list of segments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please =
forgive my lack of NSH knowledge, but it seems to me that the NSH SPI look =
up may return multiple next-hop within a service path for a given SF (e.g. =
for load balancing). (cf table 4 of RFC
 8600).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; yes=
 that is true.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Here, i=
f the NSH SPI change the SFC next-hop, the SR header on the packet will be =
completely wrong (well most probably the list of segment will override the =
choice from the NSH SPI look up). Is this
 a correct understanding? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; no.=
 The SR header is removed before the packet is forwarded to the SF so the S=
F next-hop is not relevant at the SFF when packets return as a lookup on th=
e SPI will be performed (note: SPI does not
 change regardless of SF next-hop).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] My original ques=
tion was related to reclassification and branching but Greg raised the same=
 question and you replied to him. So this close
 my question.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">If so i=
s this a bug or a feature? Either way, may be some text would need to be ad=
ded. e.g. to warn that such SFC feature is not available anymore.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Nits:<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- I'm n=
ot a fan of the use of the term &quot;details&quot; which to me are &quot;s=
pecifications&quot;. (e.g. &quot;5. Packet Processing Details&quot;, &quot;=
6. Encapsulation Details&quot;, &quot;encapsulation details&quot;)<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; I c=
an change &#8220;Encapsulation Details&#8221; to simply &#8220;Encapsulatio=
n&#8221;, and &#8220;Packet Processing Details&#8221; to &#8220;Packet Proc=
essing for SR-based SFC&#8221;. Would that satisfy your comment?<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] Yes, thank you.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">--Bruno</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- ID Ni=
ts still reports one error (**) on the new text (in the abstract).<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outloo=
k.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fidnits%3Furl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fto=
ols.ietf.org%2Fid%2Fdraft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04.txt&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjg=
uichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8ff2a3b2401=
89c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637587659333483555%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJW=
IjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;s=
data=3DXErzo0kEIPGNaBJBEsVW8XNet1fhMAnKioXNLVOnQl0%3D&amp;reserved=3D0"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.or=
g/id/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04.txt</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks,=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regards=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">--Bruno=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in =
4.0pt">
<div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"F=
R"> spring [</span><a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org"><span lang=3D=
"FR">mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"FR">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b></span><a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com"><sp=
an lang=3D"FR">bruno.decraene@orange.com</span></a><span lang=3D"FR"><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org"><span lang=3D"FR">spri=
ng@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"FR"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org"><spa=
n lang=3D"FR">draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</span></a><span lang=3D"FR"=
><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Dear WG, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">This message starts a 2 weeks W=
G last call for draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr [1].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">After review of the document pl=
ease indicate whether you believe this document should be progressed to the=
 IESG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">In addition to yes/no, please c=
onsider providing a technical review of this document; in particular if you=
 care for this document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Indeed, since WG adoption, this=
 document had benefited from little reviews from the WG, so we need more re=
view from the SPRING WG.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">If you are aware of an implemen=
tation of this document, please report the implementation either on the lis=
t or to the chairs so that the shepherd can report implementations in the w=
riteup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Note that I&#8217;ll forward th=
at call to the SFC WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">[1] </span><a href=3D"https://nam1=
1.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftools.ietf.org%2Fht=
ml%2Fdraft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com=
%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%=
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oiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DqhnFo30cyOipFQF=
6loQZK1kpI3aj9%2B%2FVyCaIKnFaeXM%3D&amp;reserved=3D0"><span lang=3D"FR">htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr</span></a><span lang=3D"F=
R"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR">--Bruno<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">________________________________________________________________=
_________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
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New&quot;">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les =
messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre>
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New&quot;">________________________________________________________________=
_________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span>=
</pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informatio=
ns confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vou=
s avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les =
messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, =
deforme ou falsifie. Merci.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
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vileged information that may be protected by law;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisa=
tion.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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New&quot;">________________________________________________________________=
_________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span>=
</pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informatio=
ns confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vou=
s avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les =
messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration,<o:p></o:p></span></=
pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;">Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, =
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<pre><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier =
New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
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Please consider volunteering for the IETF nomcom.  The community needs 
your participation.

Thank you,
Joel


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Subject: Second (of three) NomCom 2021-2022 Call for Volunteers
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 20:41:10 -0700
From: NomCom Chair 2021 <nomcom-chair-2021@ietf.org>
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This is the second (of three) call for volunteers for the 2021-2022 NomCom.
I wanted to mention a few updates from the previous email (sent 2 weeks 
ago):

  - Unlike previous IETFs (e.g., IETF 108 a year ago) for IETF 111 the 
registration form
    does not (yet) include a checkbox that will let you volunteer 
(instead of emailing me).

  - However, the email can be a very short 3 line message (see below).
  - Thanks to everyone who has volunteered so far. However, we currently 
only have    56 volunteers. We need many more. So, please, please volunteer.

--------------------------------

The IETF NomCom appoints people to fill the open slots on the IETF LLC,
IETF Trust, the IAB, and the IESG.

Ten voting members for the NomCom are selected in a verifiably random
way from a pool of volunteers. The more volunteers, the better chance we
have of choosing a random yet representative cross section of the IETF
population.

The details of the operation of the NomCom can be found in BCP 10 (RFC
8713). RFC 3797 details the selection algorithm.

Special for this year RFC 8989 (one-off update to RFC 8713 / BCP 10)
tells us who is eligible to volunteer as anyone who satisfies any of the
three following conditions:

	Path 1: The person has attended 3 out of the last 5 IETF meetings,
	including meetings held entirely online. For the 2021-2022 NomCom, 	the 
meetings concerned will be IETF 106, 107, 108, 109, and 110

	Path 2: The person has been a Working Group Chair or Secretary within
	the 3 years prior to the day the first call for NomCom volunteers is 
sent 	to the community

	Path 3: The person has been a listed author or editor (on the front
	page) of at least two IETF Stream RFCs within the last 5 years prior 
to 	the day the call for NomCom volunteers is sent to the community. 
An 	Internet-Draft that has been approved by the IESG and is in the 
RFC 	Editor queue counts the same as a published RFC, with the relevant 
date being
	the date the draft was added to the RFC Editor queue.
[Normative details are in RFC8989.]


You can check your eligibility at: 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/profile/ (after logging in, you 
will see your eligibility displayed in the field "Nomcom Eligible").

If you qualify, please volunteer as explained below. However, please
remember that anyone appointed to this NomCom will not be considered as
a candidate for any of the positions that the 2021-2022 NomCom is
responsible for filling.

Details of Positions to Be Filled (some details to be finalized)

An asterisk (*) next to a person's name indicates they do not intend to 
accept renomination.

LLC Board (3-year term)
• Jason Livingood

IETF Trust (3-year term)
• Kathleen Moriarty

IAB (2-year term) • Ben Campbell     • Cullen Jennings
• Mirja Kühlewind
• Jared Mauch
• Tommy Pauly
• Jiankang Yao
IESG (2-year term)
• Murray Kucherawy, ART AD
• Erik Kline, INT AD
• Robert Wilton, OPS AD
• Martin Vigoureux, RTG AD
• Benjamin Kaduk, SEC AD *
• Martin Duke, TSV AD
	
The primary activity for this NomCom will begin in July 2021 and should
be completed by January 2022.  The NomCom will have regularly scheduled
conference calls to ensure progress. There will be activities to collect
requirements from the community, review candidate questionnaires, review
feedback from community members about candidates, and talk to
candidates.

While being a NomCom member does require some time commitment it is also
a very rewarding experience.

As a member of the NomCom it is very important that you be willing and
able to attend meetings either remotely or in-person during IETF 112
(Madrid 6-12 November 2021) to conduct interviews. Remote attendance
will be supported whether or not there are in-person meetings.
Orientation and setting of the NomCom schedule will be done by
videoconference during the week 26-30 July (exact time and date to be
determined after NomCom membership is finalized on July 15), prior to
IETF 111.
Please volunteer by sending me an email before 23:59 UTC on Wednesday
June 23, 2021, as follows:

To: nomcom-chair-2021@ietf.org
Subject: NomCom 2021-22 Volunteer

Please include the following information in the email body:

Your Full Name:
     // as you write it on the IETF registration form

Current Primary Affiliation:
     // Typically what goes in the Company field
     // in the IETF Registration Form

Emails:    // Email addresses used to register for the past 5 IETF meetings
    // Preferred email address first

You should expect an email response from me within 5 business days
stating whether or not you are qualified.  If you don't receive this
response, please re-send your email with the tag "RESEND"" added to the
subject line.

If you are not yet sure if you would like to volunteer, please consider
that NomCom members play a very important role in shaping the leadership
of the IETF.  Questions by email or voice are welcome. Volunteering for
the NomCom is a great way to contribute to the IETF!

You can find a detailed timeline on the NomCom web site at:
     https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2021/

Within the next few weeks, I may add more details on the timeline, as
well as details of the randomness seeds to be used for the RFC 3797
selection process.

Thank you!

Gabriel Montenegro
nomcom-chair-2021 at ietf dot org

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Yes, support.

Best regards,
Linda Dunbar

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
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Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
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chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
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After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
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t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 7, 2021 8:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring-chairs@ietf.org">spring-chairs@ietf.org=
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<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.o=
rg/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IPPM WG has adopted <span lang=3D"EN-CA"><a href=
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 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt=
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 into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This=
 has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG ad=
option of the SPRING document.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial=
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n call for
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https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, =
ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
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Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as =
silence will not be considered as consent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p></p>
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Dear Daniel Voyer, Clarence Filsfils, Rishabh Parekh, Hooman Bidgoli, Zhaohui (Jeffrey) Zhang:


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Hi WG,

As a co-author, I support the WG adoption of this draft that uses Simple TW=
AMP RFC 8762 and its extensions RFC 8972, both recently published by IPPM W=
G.

This draft further builds on the draft =93Simple TWAMP Extensions for SR Ne=
tworks=94 recently adopted by IPPM WG: draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00<https:=
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Many thanks to the WG for providing valuable review comments. We believe th=
at the latest draft addresses those comments.

Thanks,
Rakesh



From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of James Guichard <jguicha=
r@futurewei.com>
Date: Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM
To: spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org <spring-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-srpm-00<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp=
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020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion doc=
ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Many thanks to the =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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t-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">spring &lt;spring-b=
ounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&=
gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IPPM WG has adopted <a href=3D"https://nam11.saf=
elinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fd=
oc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40f=
uturewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5=
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Kv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&amp;reserved=3D0">
<span style=3D"color:blue">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf=
-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</span></a> as a WG document. In a previous communicatio=
n (December 16<sup>th</sup> 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG.=
 This has now happened and therefore
 we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial=
 WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoptio=
n call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">After review of the SPRING document please indicate =
support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
<span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Please also provide comments/rea=
sons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered a=
s consent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Yes, support.

 From an operator's point of view: I think this can add valuable 
enhancements to SR enabled networks.

Best regards, Martin


Am 07.06.21 um 14:33 schrieb James Guichard:
> Dear WG:
> 
> The IPPM WG has adopted 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00 
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> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. 
> This has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit 
> the WG adoption of the SPRING document.
> 
> Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, 
> the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for 
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt 
> <https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt>, 
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> 
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Dear Authors, et al.,
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comments from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with it being on the Informational track. I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you see IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 to Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of the field to simplify demultiplexing STAMP test sessions.
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:
   An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6
   loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test
   packets in a network.
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/ might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:
      A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any
      packet that has a destination address on network 127.
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in what case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including IPv4, the section should document the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Sender and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 (Figure 2).
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is expected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out the text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this model is based?
In the same paragraph, the draft states:
   The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the test packet.
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender does not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find such a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the RFC 8762?
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to 1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite to what is required in RFC 5082 The Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL must be set to 1 in this case.
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation described in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Section 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Session-Sender sets the value of the Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
   This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
   however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to support this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also be not accurate? It seems that, if authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of the measurement must be introduced.
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is preferred to using the Entropy label which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:
   The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is
   not the intended destination node in the "Destination Node Address"
   TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which address would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?


I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed at a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issues that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.

Regards,
Greg Mirsky
Sr. Standardization Expert
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部  Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R&D Institute/Wireline Product Operation Division
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Dear WG:
The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00  as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and  therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st 2021.
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.
Thanks!
Jim, Joel & Bruno
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Hi Authors,

thanks for the update of your draft, to clarify the proposed mechanism of
redundancy protection.

I have concerns regarding this draft as (1) the SRv6 approach does not foll=
ow the
DetNet architecture, and (2) repeats functionalities that are provided by t=
he DetNet
service sub-layer but with serious limitations.

(1) DetNet has defined two sub-layers: the service sub-layer and the forwar=
ding
sub-layer. The service sub-layer is responsible for service protection and =
the
forwarding sub-layer provides forwarding paths and resource allocation on t=
op of
them for the DetNet flows. DetNet specifications allow to use any technolog=
y in
the forwarding sub-layer, including Segment Routing.

The SRv6 approach described in "draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection"=
 breaks
the clear concept of the sub-layers by mixing them up. It contradicts to se=
veral
points at least to RFC8655 (DetNet Architecture), RFC8938 (Data Plane Frame=
work)
and RFC8964 (DetNet MPLS Data Plane).

(2) The motivation for "draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection" is not =
clear especially
as the SRv6 approach seems to be repeating DetNet service sub-layer functio=
nalities; however,
with a limited set of functionalities without any clear benefits.

Cheers
Bala'zs

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">thanks for the update of your draft, to clarify the =
proposed mechanism of
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">redundancy protection.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have concerns regarding this draft as (1) the SRv6=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">service sub-layer but with serious limitations.<o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(1) DetNet has defined two sub-layers: the service s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">sub-layer. The service sub-layer is responsible for =
service protection and the
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">them for the DetNet flows. DetNet specifications all=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The SRv6 approach described in &quot;draft-geng-spri=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">the clear concept of the sub-layers by mixing them u=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">(2) The motivation for &quot;draft-geng-spring-sr-re=
dundancy-protection&quot; is not clear especially<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">as the SRv6 approach seems to be repeating DetNet se=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">with a limited set of functionalities without any cl=
ear benefits.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Bala'zs<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">spring &lt;spring-b=
ounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&=
gt;<br>=0A=
<b>Date: </b>Monday, June 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM<br>=0A=
<b>To: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;<br>=0A=
<b>Cc: </b>spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>=0A=
<b>Subject: </b>[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>=0A=
</div>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">The IPPM WG has adopted <a href=3D"https://nam11.safe=
links.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdo=
c%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40fu=
turewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d55=
91fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjA=
wMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aK=
v%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" style=3D"c=
olor: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">=0A=
<span style=3D"color:blue">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf=
-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</span></a> as a WG document. In a previous communicatio=
n (December 16<sup>th</sup> 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt=
=0A=
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">https:=
//www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into th=
e WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now=
 happened and therefore=0A=
 we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.<=
o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial =
WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption=
 call for=0A=
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" style=3D"color: rgb(5, 99, 193); text-decoration: underline;">https:=
//www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, ending=
 June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.=0A=
<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">After review of the SPRING document please indicate s=
upport (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.=0A=
<span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Please also provide comments/rea=
sons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered a=
s consent.</span><o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm; font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif;">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>=0A=
</div>=0A=
</div></div></blockquote>=0A=
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th Fan1&gt;&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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> detnet@ietf.org; spring &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi Authors,<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">thanks for the update of your d=
raft, to clarify the proposed mechanism of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">redundancy protection.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I have concerns regarding this =
draft as (1) the SRv6 approach does not follow the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">DetNet architecture, and (2) re=
peats functionalities that are provided by the DetNet
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">service sub-layer but with seri=
ous limitations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">(1) DetNet has defined two sub-=
layers: the service sub-layer and the forwarding
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">sub-layer. The service sub-laye=
r is responsible for service protection and the
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">forwarding sub-layer provides f=
orwarding paths and resource allocation on top of
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">them for the DetNet flows. DetN=
et specifications allow to use any technology in
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">the forwarding sub-layer, inclu=
ding Segment Routing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The SRv6 approach described in =
&quot;draft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection&quot; breaks<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">the clear concept of the sub-la=
yers by mixing them up. It contradicts to several
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">points at least to RFC8655 (Det=
Net Architecture), RFC8938 (Data Plane Framework)
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">and RFC8964 (DetNet MPLS Data P=
lane).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Fan1&gt;&gt; Segment routing extends IPv6 by introducing SRH exte=
nsion header and SID programming. From the perspective of SID list in SRH, =
it provides the explicit route to IPv6 data
 plane in forwarding sub-layer. From the perspective of SID programming and=
 Endpoint behaviors, it provides the packets replication and elimination in=
 service sub-layer. So Redundancy segment could include the routing charact=
eristic and service indication at
 the same time. Similar happens to Merging segment. I think this is why you=
 called it breaking the concepts of two sub-layers and mixing them up.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Triggered by the discussions in SPRING, I think we can define red=
undancy segment and merging segment as a functional segment without routing=
 and topological semantics, and use different
 segment for the routing purpose. Thus, redundancy segment and merging segm=
ent are segments with pure service semantics and don=A1=AFt violate the sub=
-layers definition in DetNet architecture.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Besides, in RFC8655 4.1.2 DetNet data-plane overview, it says,<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Book=
 Antiqua&quot;,serif">This separation of DetNet sub-layers, while helpful, =
should not be considered a formal requirement. For example, some technologi=
es may violate these strict sub-layers and still
 be able to deliver a DetNet service</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"fo=
nt-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Book Antiqua&quot;,serif;color:#1F497D"><o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">I think SRv6 could be acceptable based on this.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">In addition, I guess where to encapsulate meta data could be one =
concern. According to DetNet, they should be identified and encapsulated at=
 SR edge node. We plan to include both
 possibilities in next update. To carry them at SR edge node would be recom=
mended as the first choice, and thus does not violate DetNet architecture. =
Right now I still want to keep the possibility for redundancy segment to ad=
d meta data for some corner case.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">So far, I didn=A1=AFt realize there are other points contradict t=
o DetNet RFCs. We are very happy to discuss them.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">(2) The motivation for &quot;dr=
aft-geng-spring-sr-redundancy-protection&quot; is not clear especially<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">as the SRv6 approach seems to b=
e repeating DetNet service sub-layer functionalities; however,<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">with a limited set of functiona=
lities without any clear benefits.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Fan1&gt;&gt; as what I said in previous email to Joel, redundancy=
 protection comes from service protection specified in DetNet, but more foc=
us on how to do it when Segment Routing is introduced
 to MPLS and IPv6. Currently, DetNet defines IP and MPLS data planes for De=
tNet in RFC8939 and RFC8964. There is segment routing consideration in RFC8=
964, but not in RFC8939. In our draft, we try to focus on definition in SRv=
6, and for MPLS-SR just obeys the
 specifications in RFC8964. It is clear that we are not repeating DetNet se=
rvice sub-layer functionality, but to fill the gap between RFC8939 and SRv6=
. If WG thinks the SR-MPLS sections are redundant, we can take reference fr=
om RFC8964 for simplicity in next
 update.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">I don=A1=AFt think there is no clear benefit what segment routing=
 brings to IP(v6). By using the redundancy protection mechanism, DetNet ser=
vices running over SRv6 don=A1=AFt rely on IP&#43;UDP/TCP
 tuple to provide PREOF. The authors believe this draft is meaningful. <o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Thank you for bring this topic into DetNet and SPRING. I take it =
as whether SRv6 is worth to be specified separately besides the existing De=
tNet data plane RFCs. It is a valid and
 important question for DetNet, we may need some guide from the WG. <o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">My 2 cents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D">Fan
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color=
:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Bala'zs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Name:		draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysis
Revision:	01
Title:		Compressed SRv6 SID List Analysis
Document date:	2021-06-13
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		27
URL:            =
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analysi=
s-01.txt
Status:         =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-analys=
is/
Htmlized:       =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-a=
nalysis
Diff:           =
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-srcompdt-spring-compression-ana=
lysis-01

Abstract:
   Several mechanisms have been proposed to compress the SRv6 SID list.
   This document analyzes each mechanism with regard to the requirements
   stated in the companion requirements document.

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Dear Authors

I support WG adoption once the document is updated fixing the critical
substantive issues that exist in the draft as it stands today.

I have worked Rakesh and authors on feedback on the draft, and as the draft
is well written, I do appreciate that the issues mentioned in previous
discussions being incorporated to help improve the draft.

This draft was initially on Standards Track and as this draft is procedural
only, reusing existing IPPM OAM framework to apply to SR, Greg Mirksy and
myself requested this draft be changed to Informational.  I am happy to see
the authors did follow our comments and recommendations to change to
informational.

However, for this informational track document to be adopted by the WG, the
substantive issues need to be addressed.  As this draft is informational
from a procedural standpoint if this draft was not proposed, there is
nothing preventing STAMP or TWAMP to function over an SR both SR-MPLS or
SRv6.

By proposing a draft that has substantive issues related to what is being
proposed procedurally, the question that come to mind is what is the
purpose or benefit to even having this draft given what I stated above that
IPPM STAMP and TWAMP will work and function fine without this drafts
existence.

I think the above statement is all the more reasons that it is critical to
get this draft cleaned up prior to WG adoption.


This draft PM procedures is in scope for both SR-MPLS and SRv6.

This draft is trying to reuse RFC 8762 STAMP for SR, however with the
chosen verbiage describing the mode used, it seems to be changing the way
STAMP operates per specification.   If the goal is to use STAMP in this
informational context defining a special procedure for SR, this draft
cannot alter or change the inner workings of STAMP.


What is the reason for setting TTL to 1 and not use TTL 255 GTSM defined in
RFC 5082.

Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
  This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
  however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.

>From a measurement and performance metics perspective for SR-MPLS as it
reuses the MPLS data plane the preferred method would be to use the entropy
label RFC 6790, RFC 8662 for in band native data traffic than using IPv4 as
once the packet is labeled the packet is label switched so using a label
would be in band and in line with the MPLS forwarding plane.

All of these questions as well as ones mentioned by Greg Mirsky should be
addressed by the authors before this draft can be adopted.

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>
wrote:

> Dear WG:
>
>
>
> The IPPM WG has adopted
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata=
tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&data=3D04%7C0=
1%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a=
3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3=
d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=
&sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&reserved=3D0>
> as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the
> SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. Thi=
s
> has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG
> adoption of the SPRING document.
>
>
>
> Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, th=
e
> chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt,
> ending June 21st 2021.
>
>
>
> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for
> WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for
> that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as conse=
nt.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jim, Joel & Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>
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portant;border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)!important"><div =
dir=3D"auto">Dear Authors=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">I support WG adoption once the document is updated fixing the cri=
tical substantive issues that exist in the draft as it stands today. =C2=A0=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I have worked Rakesh an=
d authors on feedback on the draft, and as the draft is well written, I do =
appreciate that the issues mentioned in previous discussions being incorpor=
ated to help improve the draft.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">This draft was initially on Standards Track and as this draft is =
procedural only, reusing existing IPPM OAM framework to apply to SR, Greg M=
irksy and myself requested this draft be changed to Informational.=C2=A0 I =
am happy to see the authors did follow our comments and recommendations to =
change to informational.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"=
>However, for this informational track document to be adopted by the WG, th=
e substantive issues need to=C2=A0be addressed.=C2=A0 As this draft is info=
rmational from a procedural standpoint if this draft was not proposed, ther=
e is nothing preventing STAMP or TWAMP to function over an SR both SR-MPLS =
or SRv6. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">By propo=
sing a draft that has substantive issues related to what is being proposed =
procedurally, the question that come to mind is what is the purpose or bene=
fit to even having this draft given what I stated above that IPPM STAMP and=
 TWAMP will work and function fine without this drafts existence. =C2=A0</d=
iv><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I think the above statemen=
t is all the more reasons that it is critical to get this draft cleaned up =
prior to WG adoption. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"a=
uto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">This draft PM procedures is in scope for b=
oth SR-MPLS and SRv6.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Th=
is draft is trying to reuse RFC 8762 STAMP for SR, however with the chosen =
verbiage describing the mode used, it seems to be changing the way STAMP op=
erates per specification. =C2=A0 If the goal is to use STAMP in this inform=
ational context defining a special procedure for SR, this draft cannot alte=
r or change the inner workings of STAMP. =C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br>=
</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">What is the reason for =
setting TTL to 1 and not use TTL 255 GTSM defined in RFC 5082.</div><div di=
r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:UICTFontT=
extStyleBody;font-size:17px">Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing sta=
tement:</span><br style=3D"font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px=
"><span style=3D"font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px">=C2=A0=
=C2=A0This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,</span><=
br style=3D"font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px"><span style=
=3D"font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17px">=C2=A0=C2=A0however, =
it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.</span><br></div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:UICTFontTextStyleBody;font-size:17p=
x"><br></span></div><div dir=3D"auto" style=3D"background-color:rgba(0,0,0,=
0)!important;border-color:rgb(0,0,0)!important;color:rgb(0,0,0)!important">=
>From a measurement and performance metics perspective for SR-MPLS as it reu=
ses the MPLS data plane the preferred method would be to use the entropy la=
bel RFC 6790, RFC 8662 for in band native data traffic than using IPv4 as o=
nce the packet is labeled the packet is label switched so using a label wou=
ld be in band and in line with the MPLS forwarding plane.</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">All of these questions as well as ones me=
ntioned by Greg Mirsky should be addressed by the authors before this draft=
 can be adopted.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div>Kind Regards=C2=A0</div><=
div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div><br><div class=
=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 =
at 8:34 AM James Guichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com">jgu=
ichar@futurewei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-styl=
e:solid;padding-left:1ex;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204)">





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear WG:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IPPM WG has adopted <span lang=3D"EN-CA"><a href=
=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdat=
atracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&amp;data=3D0=
4%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee=
8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb=
GZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7=
C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&amp;re=
served=3D0" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue">https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</span></a>
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp=
-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandh=
i-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companion document was=
 accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and
 therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING =
document.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial=
 WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoptio=
n call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-sprin=
g-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Please also provide comments/reasons for that s=
upport (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.</spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions=
. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please see replies inline with &lt;RG&gt;=A1=AD<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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t; on behalf of gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<b=
r>
<b>Date: </b>Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:19 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org =
&lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/arch=
ive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear Authors, et al.,<br>
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comment=
s from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with i=
t being on the Informational track.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Many thanks.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I've several questions and much appreciate it if you=
 help me to understand.<br>
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv=
4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you se=
e IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address=
 family and they are the addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflec=
tor as defined in STAMP.&nbsp; The STAMP packet is further encapsulated wit=
h an SR-MPLS/SRv6 header depending on SR-MPLS
 Policy or SRv6 Policy being measured.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 t=
o Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will =
be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of th=
e field to simplify demultiplexing
 STAMP test sessions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Thanks for the suggestion, agree to updat=
e it in the next revision.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP rout=
e test<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; packets in a network.<br>
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/=
 might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a l=
oopback interface, any<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; packet that has a destination address on net=
work 127.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Agree to remove this sentence in the next=
 revision.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. =
Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in wh=
at case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including I=
Pv4, the section should document
 the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate=
 for sending test packets for links.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; However, we could add text to state <o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=A1=B0<span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&q=
uot;">SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for tr=
ansmitting the test packets for links.</span>=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Se=
nder and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP p=
ackets carry IP/UDP header. The IP address family in the base STAMP test pa=
cket can be IPv4 or IPv6 address of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflecto=
r. In SR, the STAMP packets are further
 encapsulated with an SR header.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as =
presented in Figure 4?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; The inner IP header is useful in loopback=
 mode, the outer header is responsible for transmitting the test packet to =
the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header =
and forward the test packet back to the
 Session-Sender according to the inner header. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; We can update this in the next revision.<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 =
(Figure 2).<br>
<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We are ok to update it in the next revision.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary. We can update in the=
 next revision.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<pre>&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR network=
s in Section 4.2.3.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is e=
xpected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out th=
e text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this =
model is based?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<pre>&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR network=
s in Section 4.2.3.<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
In the same paragraph, the draft states:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to=
 receive the test packet.<br>
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; It is destination UDP port in the Session=
-Sender test packet. We are ok to update in the next revision.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender do=
es not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find su=
ch a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the =
RFC 8762?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; This informational draft explains various=
 delay metrics in SR. It does not change RFC 8762.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For=
 example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to =
1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite t=
o what is required in RFC 5082 The
 Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL mu=
st be set to 1 in this case.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029],=
 for IP address 127/8 case with using TTL=3D1, it is to ensure that the tes=
t packet does not get incorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and pro=
vide incorrect measurement.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation describ=
ed in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Se=
ction 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Sess=
ion-Sender sets the value of the
 Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the=
 packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Session-Sender has the knowledge about th=
is mode. Session-Sender can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Seque=
nce Number to avoid any confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revis=
ion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<=
br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.=
<br>
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to sup=
port this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss =
measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also b=
e not accurate? It seems that, if
 authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of =
the measurement must be introduced.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two =
loss measurement modes. We are ok to update the text as follows to align wi=
th RFC 6374.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:&quot;Courier New&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp; This method can be used for inf=
erred packet loss measurement,<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet =
loss.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance=
 metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step=
 with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is pr=
eferred to using the Entropy label
 which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&lt;RG&gt; Yes, we can add following text in the nex=
t update:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp; Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to fo=
rward</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp; packets on specific ECMP paths.&nbsp; For SR-MPLS Policy, swee=
ping of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp; entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender t=
est packets</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp; and Session-Reflector test packets</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp; to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">=
&nbsp;&nbsp; plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packe=
t if it is<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; not the intended destination node in the &quot;Destination Nod=
e Address&quot;<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp; TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].<br>
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which a=
ddress would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
&lt;RG&gt; As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00], <span style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">
the Destination Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy</span>. <o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the=
 next update.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
<br>
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed a=
t a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issu=
es that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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Date: 2021/06/07 05:34<br>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/arch=
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Dear WG:<br>
The IPPM WG has adopted <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/dr=
aft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</a>&nbs=
p; as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the =
SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG.=
 This has now happened and&nbsp; therefore
 we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.<=
br>
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a>, ending June 21st 2021.<br>
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.<b=
r>
Thanks!<br>
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line tagged GIM>>.

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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG>…
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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
Dear Authors, et al.,
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comments from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with it being on the Informational track.
<RG> Many thanks.
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you see IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?
<RG> Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are the addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP.  The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 header depending on SR-MPLS  Policy or SRv6 Policy being measured.
GIM>> Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Session-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsulation with SRH? Any reason why not simply add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?

I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 to Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of the field to simplify demultiplexing  STAMP test sessions.
<RG> Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revision.

I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test
packets in a network.
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/ might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any
packet that has a destination address on network 127.
<RG> Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.
GIM>> Thank you, looking forward to the next version.

Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in what case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including IPv4, the section should document  the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.
<RG> It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packets for links.
<RG> However, we could add text to state
“SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for transmitting the test packets for links.”

Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Sender and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?
<RG> As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP header. 
GIM>> I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in IP/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packets. Other encapsulations are outside the scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP, a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 address of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets are further  encapsulated with an SR header.
GIM>> As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?
<RG> The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test packet back to the  Session-Sender according to the inner header.
GIM>> I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I understand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point but the SR policy brings the test packet all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode is expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.
<RG> We can update this in the next revision.

As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 (Figure 2).
<RG> We are ok to update it in the next revision.

As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.
<RG> It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.

Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
GIM>> What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Session-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Session-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that is the case, there's no interworking, interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is expected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out the text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this model is based?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.

In the same paragraph, the draft states:
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the test packet.
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?
<RG> It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We are ok to update in the next revision.
GIM>> Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?

The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender does not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find such a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the RFC 8762?
<RG> This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. It does not change RFC 8762.
GIM>> Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work together. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not described in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.

I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to 1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite to what is required in RFC 5082 The  Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL must be set to 1 in this case.
<RG> As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 case with using TTL=1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get incorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurement.
GIM>> I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count == 1 does not allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?

The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.
<RG> Please see above.

Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.
<RG> Please see above.

Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation described in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Section 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Session-Sender sets the value of the  Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?
<RG> Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.

Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to support this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also be not accurate? It seems that, if  authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of the measurement must be introduced.
<RG> RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes. We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.

I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is preferred to using the Entropy label  which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?
<RG> Yes, we can add following text in the next update:
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward
packets on specific ECMP paths.  For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets
and Session-Reflector test packets
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.

I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is
not the intended destination node in the "Destination Node Address"
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which address would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?

<RG> As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],  the Destination Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.
GIM>> Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to the Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the reflected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.
Thanks,
Rakesh
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed at a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issues that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.

I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.
Regards,
Greg Mirsky
Sr. Standardization Expert
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Dear WG:
The IPPM WG has adopted  https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00  as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and  therefore  we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st 2021.
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.
Thanks!
Jim, Joel & Bruno
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Hello,

I've reviewed this document and thanks for the updates over the past few mo=
nths since the last WG adoption. The changes made to align with the STAMP w=
ork in IPPM WG and the companion IPPM document look good to me. The documen=
t overall has improved as well.

The requirement for performance measurement in SR networks is essential for=
 delivering services for different SLAs and this work is critical to monito=
r key parameters like delay and loss in SR networks and especially for SR P=
olicies. The choice of STAMP is also very apt as something that is supporte=
d in various data-plane implementations and also importantly works for both=
 SR-MPLS and SRv6 - a common mechanism. Therefore I support the adoption of=
 this work by the WG.

Coming to the document itself, given that this is an adoption call, I would=
 like to provide two high-level comments to the authors (but also for the W=
G/chairs to discuss/consider) :


  1.  I find it odd that this work is categorized as Informational where it=
 clearly needs to be Standards Track. IIRC, it was Standards Track at the p=
revious adoption call. The document contains the procedures for the perform=
ance measurements that need to be standardized to have interoperability and=
 consistency across vendor implementations. Operators expect this. Standard=
ization is not just about packet formats on the wire and procedures are equ=
ally important.
  2.  Somewhat related to (1), I would expect the language for the procedur=
es to be described in a bit more formal/tighter way and perhaps make use of=
 normative language. I will give a couple of examples below:



Sec 4.1.2 :  Shouldn't the selection of Destination Address/Session-Reflect=
or Address be specified in a more normative way?
   The STAMP Session-Sender IPv4 or IPv6 address is used as the Source
   Address.  The SR Policy endpoint IPv4 or IPv6 address is used as the
   Destination Address.



Sec 4.1.2.1 - isn't it required that all SLs be monitored? So that would be=
 a MUST monitor all SLs?

   An SR-MPLS Policy may contain a number of Segment Lists (SLs).  A

   STAMP Session-Sender test packet is transmitted for each Segment List

   of the SR-MPLS Policy.



The above are not really blocking comments for the adoption and I will requ=
est the authors to consider this.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: 07 June 2021 18:04
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-srpm-00<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp=
s%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00=
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eserved=3D0> as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2=
020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion doc=
ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I&#8217;v=
e reviewed this document and thanks for the updates over the past few month=
s since the last WG adoption. The changes made to align with the STAMP work=
 in IPPM WG and the companion IPPM document
 look good to me. The document overall has improved as well.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The requi=
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ng services for different SLAs and this work is critical to monitor key par=
ameters like delay and loss in SR networks
 and especially for SR Policies. The choice of STAMP is also very apt as so=
mething that is supported in various data-plane implementations and also im=
portantly works for both SR-MPLS and SRv6 &#8211; a common mechanism. There=
fore I support the adoption of this work
 by the WG.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Coming to=
 the document itself, given that this is an adoption call, I would like to =
provide two high-level comments to the authors (but also for the WG/chairs =
to discuss/consider) :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
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rk is categorized as Informational where it clearly needs to be Standards T=
rack. IIRC, it was Standards Track at
 the previous adoption call. The document contains the procedures for the p=
erformance measurements that need to be standardized to have interoperabili=
ty and consistency across vendor implementations. Operators expect this. St=
andardization is not just about
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in a bit more formal/tighter way and perhaps make use
 of normative language. I will give a couple of examples below:<o:p></o:p><=
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n-Reflector Address be specified in a more normative way?<o:p></o:p></span>=
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urier New&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; The STAMP Session-Sender IPv4 or =
IPv6 address is used as the Source<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Address.&nbsp; The SR Policy endp=
oint IPv4 or IPv6 address is used as the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; Destination Address.<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Se=
c 4.1.2.1 &#8211; isn&#8217;t it required that all SLs be monitored? So tha=
t would be a MUST monitor all SLs?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; An SR-MPLS Policy may contain=
 a number of Segment Lists (SLs).&nbsp; A<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; STAMP Session-Sender test pac=
ket is transmitted for each Segment List<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;&nbsp; of the SR-MPLS Policy. <o:p><=
/o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The above=
 are not really blocking comments for the adoption and I will request the a=
uthors to consider this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ketan<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> spring &lt;spring-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 June 2021 18:04<br>
<b>To:</b> spring@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> spring-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted </span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-CA"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.=
com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipp=
m-stamp-srpm-00&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0=
e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63758445=
6542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB=
TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCr=
zBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&amp;reserved=3D0"><span style=3D"color:blue">https://=
datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</span></a>
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ga=
ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companion document =
was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has
 now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adopti=
on of the SPRING document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Due to the lapse of several mon=
ths since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start anot=
her 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Please als=
o provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence wi=
ll not be considered as consent.</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Hi Bruno,

Latest version covers most of your comments I think. Please see inline.

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
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To: James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>; spring@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your reply.
Please see inline [Bruno]

From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Following up on this. Please see inline.

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com> <bruno.de=
craene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>>
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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, WG,

Speaking as the shepherd.

Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.

I've reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find bel=
ow some additional comments.

=3D=3D=3D
SR-MPLS  =A76.1

" At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF l=
abel at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to=
 disable Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh=
-sr-04 is mandating.

I"m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:
- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and=
 there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, th=
is prefix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers t=
o a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)
- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed " At the end of the=
 SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an  indication to the tail-end tha=
t NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack  as described by [RFC8596].

Jim> I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:

   As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix
   segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected
   neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform
   the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.
   When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the
   NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.  This
   is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore
   the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be
   advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop
   node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and
   thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.  This is realized by setting No-
   PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].  It is
   RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for
   use by the SFC application for this purpose.

   Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the
   SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end
   that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].

So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment a=
s the indicator as described by the 1st paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second paragraph.

[Bruno] There are two options but the text currently says that the first op=
tion MUST be used ("the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC =
MUST be advertised with the CONTINUE operation") which seems to nullifies t=
he second paragraph ("Alternatively, ").
So may be some rephrasing may be needed to indeed allow both options.

Jim> Covered in latest version.

Also
"   At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

In the scheme "SR-based SFC", "the end of the SR-MPLS" is only the last SF =
(not all other SF on the SF chain).
So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS =
label stack?
Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF al=
ong the SR-MPLS path

Jim> as far as I can tell "other SFC" do not need an indication as the pref=
ix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack and fo=
rward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the prefix SID.

[Bruno] OK for SRv6.

For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft says "In the case of SR-MPLS this wi=
ll be a prefix SID [RFC8402<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/=
?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&data=3D04%=
7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637587659333473559%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ=
sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1=
000&sdata=3D7p4OEBu%2Fztrqd3ZxPPAg0D4bSwgGSptR%2Ba%2FerR7zLkg%3D&reserved=
=3D0>]"

 - Can it use the "regular" prefix SID? (draft only says that It is RECOMME=
NDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SF=
C application for this purpose.)

 - If not, does it needs a specific & dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem t=
o mandate that a Prefix Segment be an IGP prefix segment and that a single =
prefix-SID be advertised per tuple <prefix, topology, algorithm>

 - How does the ingress know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-base=
d SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?

Jim> In MPLS (including SR-MPLS) nodes uses labels as they please.  So yes,=
 an SFF that may also be an MPLS switch needs to advertise separate labels =
to indicate that they are used for SFF processing (looking at the NSH).  As=
 far as I know, MPLS / SR-MPLS has never standardized how this is indicated=
 / coordinated.  By assumption, the PCE / Ingress classifier knows what lab=
els to use.



Jim

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Latest version covers most of your comments I think.=
 Please see inline.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> bruno.decraene@orange.com &lt;bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;; spring@ietf.org<b=
r>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Thanks for your reply.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Please see inline [Bruno=
]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"F=
R"> spring [<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:spring-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
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<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@oran=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following up on this. Please see inline.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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ange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi auth=
ors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Speakin=
g as the shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217=
;ve reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find belo=
w some additional comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=3D=3D=
=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">SR-MPLS=
&nbsp; =A76.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&quot; =
At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">My unde=
rstanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF label at=
 the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to disabl=
e Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix
 SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04 is mandating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&quot;=
m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- a pre=
fix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and there =
is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, this pref=
ix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596,
 although 8596 refers to a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID =
is a global segment)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- use a=
 multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed &quot; At the end of the S=
R-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an&nbsp; indication to the tail-end =
that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack&nbsp; as described
 by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; I b=
elieve this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.&nbsp; This=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.&nbsp; This is realized by setting No=
-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].&nbsp; It is<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; use by the SFC application for this purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">So there ar=
e two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment as the indic=
ator as described by the 1<sup>st</sup> paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second
 paragraph.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] There are two op=
tions but the text currently says that the first option MUST be used (&#822=
0;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
ourier New&quot;;color:#4472C4">the
 prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be advertised with=
 the CONTINUE operation</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">&#8221;) which se=
ems to nullifies the second paragraph (&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4"=
>Alternatively,
 &#8220;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">So may be some rephrasin=
g may be needed to indeed allow both options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Jim&gt; Covered in latest version.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Also&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&quot;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">In the =
scheme &quot;SR-based SFC&quot;, &quot;the end of the SR-MPLS&quot; is only=
 the last SF (not all other SF on the SF chain).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">So how =
does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS label s=
tack?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Alterna=
tively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF along the=
 SR-MPLS path<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; as =
far as I can tell &#8220;other SFC&#8221; do not need an indication as the =
prefix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack an=
d forward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the
 prefix SID. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] OK for SRv6.<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft say=
s &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;">In the case of SR-MPLS this will be a prefix SID [=
</span><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">&nbsp;- Can it use the &#8220;regular&#822=
1; prefix SID? (draft only says that </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">It is RECOMMENDED that=
 a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SFC applica=
tion for this purpose.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4"> - If not, does it needs a specific &amp; =
dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem to mandate that a Prefix Segment be an =
IGP prefix segment and that a single prefix-SID be advertised per </span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&=
quot;">tuple &lt;prefix, topology, algorithm&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;">&nbsp;- </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">How does the ingre=
ss know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-based SFC? And only to be=
 used for SR-based SFC?</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Jim&gt; </span>In MPLS (includi=
ng SR-MPLS) nodes uses labels as they please.&nbsp; So yes, an SFF that may=
 also be an MPLS switch needs to advertise separate labels to indicate that=
 they are used for SFF processing (looking at
 the NSH).&nbsp; As far as I know, MPLS / SR-MPLS has never standardized ho=
w this is indicated / coordinated.&nbsp; By assumption, the PCE / Ingress c=
lassifier knows what labels to use.&nbsp;
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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I support the WG adoption. This draft describes procedures for various SR-M=
PLS and SRv6 encapsulations for IP/UDP based Simple TWAMP, including differ=
ent PM modes on top of what is specified in RFC 8762. It adds a very much n=
eeded PM toolkit in SR environment (both SR-MPLS and SRv6).

Thanks,
Pablo.

From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of James Guichard
Sent: lunes, 7 de junio de 2021 14:34
To: spring@ietf.org
Cc: spring-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
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ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno




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TWAMP, including different PM modes on top of what is specified in RFC 8762=
. It adds a very much needed PM toolkit
 in SR environment (both SR-MPLS and SRv6).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:black">Thanks,<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:black">Pablo.</s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:E=
N-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> spring &lt;spring-bounces@ietf.org&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> lunes, 7 de junio de 2021 14:34<br>
<b>To:</b> spring@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> spring-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted </span>=
<a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2=
F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&amp;d=
ata=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a=
%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%=
7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6M=
n0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D=
&amp;reserved=3D0"><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"color:blue">https://datatr=
acker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</span></a><span lang=
=3D"EN-CA">
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp=
-srpm-06.txt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ga=
ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US"> into the WG u=
ntil its companion document was accepted
 by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time=
 to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Due to the lapse of several mon=
ths since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start anot=
her 2-week WG adoption call for
</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp=
-srpm-06.txt"><span lang=3D"EN-US">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ga=
ndhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-US">, ending June =
21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN">Please als=
o provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence wi=
ll not be considered as consent.</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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Support.

Thx,
r.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 2:34 PM James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>
wrote:

> Dear WG:
>
>
>
> The IPPM WG has adopted
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata=
tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&data=3D04%7C0=
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> as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the
> SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. Thi=
s
> has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG
> adoption of the SPRING document.
>
>
>
> Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, th=
e
> chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt,
> ending June 21st 2021.
>
>
>
> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for
> WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for
> that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as conse=
nt.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jim, Joel & Bruno
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Support.=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thx,</div><div>r.</div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 2:34 PM James Guichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jguichar=
@futurewei.com">jguichar@futurewei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div class=3D"gmail-m_4084707114291338575WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear WG:<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The IPPM WG has adopted <span lang=3D"EN-CA"><a href=
=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdat=
atracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&amp;data=3D0=
4%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee=
8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpb=
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served=3D0" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"color:blue">https://datatracke=
r.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</span></a>
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp=
-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandh=
i-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companion document was=
 accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and
 therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING =
document.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Due to the lapse of several months since the initial=
 WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoptio=
n call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-sprin=
g-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Please also provide comments/reasons for that s=
upport (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.</spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please see replies inline with <span style=3D"color:=
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x.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 10:57 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;, spring@ie=
tf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ie=
tf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archi=
ve/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Rakesh,<br>
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line=
 tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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Sender: RakeshGandhi(rgandhi)<br>
To: gregory mirsky10211915;jguichar@futurewei.com;<br>
CC: spring@ietf.org;spring-chairs@ietf.org;<br>
Date: 2021/06/16 12:50<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/=
archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
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Hi Greg,<br>
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.<br>
Please see replies inline with &lt;RG&gt;=A1=AD<br>
From: spring &lt;spring-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of gregory.mirsky@zt=
etx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
Date: Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:19 AM<br>
To: jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;<br>
Cc: spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spr=
ing-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/=
archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
r>
Dear Authors, et al.,<br>
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comment=
s from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with i=
t being on the Informational track.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Many thanks.<br>
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.=
<br>
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv=
4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you se=
e IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are th=
e addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP=
.&nbsp; The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 heade=
r depending on SR-MPLS&nbsp; Policy or SRv6 Policy
 being measured.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the=
 draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Sess=
ion-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsu=
lation with SRH? Any reason why not simply
 add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; When using=
 the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SRH is added to bring th=
e test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Session-Sender. In loopback=
 mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring
 the test packet back from the Session-Reflector to the Session-Sender. The=
 bottom IPv6 header is not required when using SIDs of both forward + rever=
se paths in SRH.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 t=
o Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will =
be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of th=
e field to simplify demultiplexing&nbsp;
 STAMP test sessions.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revisi=
on.<br>
<br>
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:<br>
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6<br>
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test<br>
packets in a network.<br>
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/=
 might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:<br>
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any<br>
packet that has a destination address on network 127.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you, looking forward to the next version.<br>
<br>
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. =
Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in wh=
at case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including I=
Pv4, the section should document&nbsp;
 the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packe=
ts for links.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; However, we could add text to state<br>
=A1=B0SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for tr=
ansmitting the test packets for links.=A1=B1<br>
<br>
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Se=
nder and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP hea=
der. <br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/=
UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in I=
P/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packe=
ts. Other encapsulations are outside the
 scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP,=
 a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.<br>
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 add=
ress of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets =
are further&nbsp; encapsulated with an SR header.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; The scope =
of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packets.</span>
<span style=3D"color:#4472C4">We are planning to publish a new draft in MPL=
S WG to define a new ACH Type.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
GIM&gt;&gt; As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add =
the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?<br>
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; Please see=
 the reply at the top.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
&lt;RG&gt; The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header=
 is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. =
The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test pa=
cket back to the&nbsp; Session-Sender according
 to the inner header.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I und=
erstand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session=
-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point bu=
t the SR policy brings the test packet
 all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode i=
s expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; Please see=
 the reply at the top.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
&lt;RG&gt; We can update this in the next revision.<br>
<br>
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 =
(Figure 2).<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
<br>
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.<b=
r>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.<br>
<br>
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Sessi=
on-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Ses=
sion-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that=
 is the case, there's no interworking,
 interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; Right, the=
 Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopback mode test.<span cla=
ss=3D"apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>This draft is defining the proced=
ure on how to do loopback mode.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is e=
xpected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out th=
e text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this =
model is based?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
<br>
In the same paragraph, the draft states:<br>
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the =
test packet.<br>
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We=
 are ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port =
allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; This is th=
e source port Session-Sender uses.</span><br>
<br>
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender do=
es not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find su=
ch a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the =
RFC 8762?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. I=
t does not change RFC 8762.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document=
 how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work togeth=
er. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not des=
cribed in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; So it look=
s like the document should be Standards-track.</span><br>
<br>
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For=
 example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to =
1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite t=
o what is required in RFC 5082 The&nbsp;
 Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL mu=
st be set to 1 in this case.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 c=
ase with using TTL=3D1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get i=
ncorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurem=
ent.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from =
rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count =3D=3D 1 does not =
allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector=
 for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the
 encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; We are Ok =
to update in the next revision.</span><br>
<br>
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
<br>
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
<br>
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation describ=
ed in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Se=
ction 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Sess=
ion-Sender sets the value of the&nbsp;
 Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the=
 packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender=
 can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any=
 confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
<br>
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.<br>
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to sup=
port this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss =
measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also b=
e not accurate? It seems that, if&nbsp;
 authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of =
the measurement must be introduced.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes.=
 We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.<br>
<br>
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance=
 metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step=
 with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is pr=
eferred to using the Entropy label&nbsp;
 which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Yes, we can add following text in the next update:<br>
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward<br>
packets on specific ECMP paths.&nbsp; For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of<br>
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets<b=
r>
and Session-Reflector test packets<br>
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding<br>
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.<br>
<br>
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:<br>
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is<br=
>
not the intended destination node in the &quot;Destination Node Address&quo=
t;<br>
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].<br>
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which a=
ddress would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?<br>
<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],&nbsp; the Desti=
nation Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to t=
he Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the re=
flected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&lt;RG2&gt; This is ad=
dressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].&=
nbsp; We are adding following in the next update:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">=A1=B0The Security Con=
siderations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&nbsp;&nbsp; are also =
equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.=A1=B1</span>=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed a=
t a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issu=
es that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.<br>
<br>
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
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Date: 2021/06/07 05:34<br>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.or=
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Dear WG:<br>
The IPPM WG has adopted&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/h=
tml/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</a>&nbs=
p; as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the =
SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG.=
 This has now happened and&nbsp; therefore&nbsp;
 we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.<=
br>
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a>, ending June 21st 2021.<br>
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.<b=
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Thanks!<br>
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Thanks Gyan for your review comments.
We will address the comments highlighted in blue in the next revision of th=
e document as per reply to Greg=92s email.

Thanks,
Rakesh


From: spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan Mishra <hayabusags=
m@gmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:37 PM
To: James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>
Cc: spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>, spring-chairs@ietf.org <spring-chair=
s@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/=
draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt

Dear Authors

I support WG adoption once the document is updated fixing the critical subs=
tantive issues that exist in the draft as it stands today.

I have worked Rakesh and authors on feedback on the draft, and as the draft=
 is well written, I do appreciate that the issues mentioned in previous dis=
cussions being incorporated to help improve the draft.

This draft was initially on Standards Track and as this draft is procedural=
 only, reusing existing IPPM OAM framework to apply to SR, Greg Mirksy and =
myself requested this draft be changed to Informational.  I am happy to see=
 the authors did follow our comments and recommendations to change to infor=
mational.

However, for this informational track document to be adopted by the WG, the=
 substantive issues need to be addressed.  As this draft is informational f=
rom a procedural standpoint if this draft was not proposed, there is nothin=
g preventing STAMP or TWAMP to function over an SR both SR-MPLS or SRv6.

By proposing a draft that has substantive issues related to what is being p=
roposed procedurally, the question that come to mind is what is the purpose=
 or benefit to even having this draft given what I stated above that IPPM S=
TAMP and TWAMP will work and function fine without this drafts existence.

I think the above statement is all the more reasons that it is critical to =
get this draft cleaned up prior to WG adoption.


This draft PM procedures is in scope for both SR-MPLS and SRv6.

This draft is trying to reuse RFC 8762 STAMP for SR, however with the chose=
n verbiage describing the mode used, it seems to be changing the way STAMP =
operates per specification.   If the goal is to use STAMP in this informati=
onal context defining a special procedure for SR, this draft cannot alter o=
r change the inner workings of STAMP.


What is the reason for setting TTL to 1 and not use TTL 255 GTSM defined in=
 RFC 5082.

Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
  This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
  however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.

>From a measurement and performance metics perspective for SR-MPLS as it re=
uses the MPLS data plane the preferred method would be to use the entropy l=
abel RFC 6790, RFC 8662 for in band native data traffic than using IPv4 as =
once the packet is labeled the packet is label switched so using a label wo=
uld be in band and in line with the MPLS forwarding plane.

All of these questions as well as ones mentioned by Greg Mirsky should be a=
ddressed by the authors before this draft can be adopted.

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com<mailt=
o:jguichar@futurewei.com>> wrote:
Dear WG:

The IPPM WG has adopted https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ip=
pm-stamp-srpm-00<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp=
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020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/i=
d/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion doc=
ument was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and therefore we f=
eel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.

Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.=
ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st=
 2021.

After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.

Thanks!

Jim, Joel & Bruno



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ounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Gyan Mishra &lt;hayabusagsm@gmail.com&gt;<=
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:37 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org =
&lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/arch=
ive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear Authors&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I support WG adoption once the document is updated f=
ixing the critical substantive issues that exist in the draft as it stands =
today. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have worked Rakesh and authors on feedback on the =
draft, and as the draft is well written, I do appreciate that the issues me=
ntioned in previous discussions being incorporated to help improve the draf=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft was initially on Standards Track and as t=
his draft is procedural only, reusing existing IPPM OAM framework to apply =
to SR, Greg Mirksy and myself requested this draft be changed to Informatio=
nal.&nbsp; I am happy to see the authors
 did follow our comments and recommendations to change to informational.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, for this informational track document to be=
 adopted by the WG, the substantive issues need to&nbsp;be addressed.&nbsp;=
 As this draft is informational from a procedural standpoint if this draft =
was not proposed, there is nothing preventing
 STAMP or TWAMP to function over an SR both SR-MPLS or SRv6. &nbsp;<o:p></o=
:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">By proposing a draft that has substantive issues rel=
ated to what is being proposed procedurally, the question that come to mind=
 is what is the purpose or benefit to even having this draft given what I s=
tated above that IPPM STAMP and TWAMP
 will work and function fine without this drafts existence. &nbsp;<o:p></o:=
p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the above statement is all the more reasons =
that it is critical to get this draft cleaned up prior to WG adoption. &nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft PM procedures is in scope for both SR-MPL=
S and SRv6.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft is trying to reuse RFC 8762 STAMP for SR,=
 however with the chosen verbiage describing the mode used, it seems to be =
changing the way STAMP operates per specification. &nbsp; If the goal is to=
 use STAMP in this informational context
 defining a special procedure for SR, this draft cannot alter or change the=
 inner workings of STAMP. &nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">What is the reason for=
 setting TTL to 1 and not use TTL 255 GTSM defined in RFC 5082.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.0pt;font-family:UICTFont=
TextStyleBody;color:#4472C4">Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing sta=
tement:<br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<b=
r>
&nbsp;&nbsp;however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.<=
/span><span style=3D"color:#4472C4"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472C4">&gt;From a measurement=
 and performance metics perspective for SR-MPLS as it reuses the MPLS data =
plane the preferred method would be to use the entropy label RFC 6790, RFC =
8662 for in band native data traffic than
 using IPv4 as once the packet is labeled the packet is label switched so u=
sing a label would be in band and in line with the MPLS forwarding plane.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">All of these questions as well as ones mentioned by =
Greg Mirsky should be addressed by the authors before this draft can be ado=
pted.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kind Regards&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gyan<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM James Guichard &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com">jguichar@futurewei.com</a>&gt; wrot=
e:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear WG:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted
</span><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt=
ps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-0=
0&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d92=
7af658a%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CU=
nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLC=
JXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR=
%2B8%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</a>
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandh=
i-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companio=
n document was accepted by the IPPM WG.
 This has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the =
WG adoption of the SPRING document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Due to the lapse of several months since the =
initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG =
adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" target=3D"_blank">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, =
ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto">After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or no=
t) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reason=
s for that support (or lack thereof)
 as silence will not be considered as consent.<span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p></o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-a=
lt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Ketan


See the mail archive from December 2020 below where it was proposed to the
authors to change from Standards Track to Informational or experimental.

The authors took that recommendation  into consideration and updated the
draft to Informational.

Reason being is that nothing new was being introduced as the IPPM PM
monitoring STAMP, TWAMP, OWAMP are data plane agnostic, as this is a
procedural draft that is not updating any IPPM or SPRING specification, but
rather using existing specifications as normative references to define a
procedure for PM over SR.  There is nothing that prevents PM monitoring to
work today without this draft.

What is crucial for this draft as informational is as Greg and myself have
mentioned is that it not try to update normative references to existing
IPPM specifications. That would break any existing implementations of PM
over SR.

https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/t1GSKCrV4NBzTWP7HsxNr4gQpG8/

Kind Regards

Gyan


On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 10:43 AM Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant=3D
40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99ve reviewed this document and thanks for the updates over the p=
ast few
> months since the last WG adoption. The changes made to align with the STA=
MP
> work in IPPM WG and the companion IPPM document look good to me. The
> document overall has improved as well.
>
>
>
> The requirement for performance measurement in SR networks is essential
> for delivering services for different SLAs and this work is critical to
> monitor key parameters like delay and loss in SR networks and especially
> for SR Policies. The choice of STAMP is also very apt as something that i=
s
> supported in various data-plane implementations and also importantly work=
s
> for both SR-MPLS and SRv6 =E2=80=93 a common mechanism. Therefore I suppo=
rt the
> adoption of this work by the WG.
>
>
>
> Coming to the document itself, given that this is an adoption call, I
> would like to provide two high-level comments to the authors (but also fo=
r
> the WG/chairs to discuss/consider) :
>
>
>
>    1. I find it odd that this work is categorized as Informational where
>    it clearly needs to be Standards Track. IIRC, it was Standards Track a=
t the
>    previous adoption call. The document contains the procedures for the
>    performance measurements that need to be standardized to have
>    interoperability and consistency across vendor implementations. Operat=
ors
>    expect this. Standardization is not just about packet formats on the w=
ire
>    and procedures are equally important.
>    2. Somewhat related to (1), I would expect the language for the
>    procedures to be described in a bit more formal/tighter way and perhap=
s
>    make use of normative language. I will give a couple of examples below=
:
>
>
>
> Sec 4.1.2 :  Shouldn=E2=80=99t the selection of Destination
> Address/Session-Reflector Address be specified in a more normative way?
>
>    The STAMP Session-Sender IPv4 or IPv6 address is used as the Source
>
>    Address.  The SR Policy endpoint IPv4 or IPv6 address is used as the
>
>    Destination Address.
>
>
>
> Sec 4.1.2.1 =E2=80=93 isn=E2=80=99t it required that all SLs be monitored=
? So that would
> be a MUST monitor all SLs?
>
>    An SR-MPLS Policy may contain a number of Segment Lists (SLs).  A
>
>    STAMP Session-Sender test packet is transmitted for each Segment List
>
>    of the SR-MPLS Policy.
>
>
>
>
>
> The above are not really blocking comments for the adoption and I will
> request the authors to consider this.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ketan
>
>
>
> *From:* spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> *On Behalf Of *James Guichard
> *Sent:* 07 June 2021 18:04
> *To:* spring@ietf.org
> *Cc:* spring-chairs@ietf.org
> *Subject:* [spring] WG Adoption Call for
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
>
>
>
> Dear WG:
>
>
>
> The IPPM WG has adopted
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata=
tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&data=3D04%7C0=
1%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a=
3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3=
d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=
&sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&reserved=3D0>
> as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the
> SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. Thi=
s
> has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG
> adoption of the SPRING document.
>
>
>
> Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, th=
e
> chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt,
> ending June 21st 2021.
>
>
>
> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for
> WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for
> that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as conse=
nt.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jim, Joel & Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto">Hi=C2=A0Ketan</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=
=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">See the mail archive from December 20=
20 below where it was proposed to the authors to change from Standards Trac=
k to Informational or experimental.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div d=
ir=3D"auto">The authors took that recommendation =C2=A0into consideration a=
nd updated the draft to Informational.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><di=
v dir=3D"auto">Reason being is that nothing new was being introduced as the=
 IPPM PM monitoring STAMP, TWAMP, OWAMP are data plane agnostic, as this is=
 a procedural draft that is not updating any IPPM or SPRING specification, =
but rather using existing specifications as normative references to define =
a procedure for PM over SR.=C2=A0 There is nothing that prevents PM monitor=
ing to work today without this draft.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto">What is crucial for this draft as informational is as Greg an=
d myself have mentioned is that it not try to update normative references t=
o existing IPPM specifications. That would break any existing implementatio=
ns of PM over SR.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div><=
a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/t1GSKCrV4NBzTWP7HsxN=
r4gQpG8/">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spring/t1GSKCrV4NBzTWP7HsxN=
r4gQpG8/</a></div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0</div><div =
dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></=
div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 10:43 AM Ketan Talaul=
ikar (ketant) &lt;ketant=3D<a href=3D"mailto:40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">40=
cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:=
1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-IN" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=3D"word-wrap:b=
reak-word">
<div class=3D"m_3383474770518725119WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Hello,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>I=E2=80=99ve reviewed this document and thanks=
 for the updates over the past few months since the last WG adoption. The c=
hanges made to align with the STAMP work in IPPM WG and the companion IPPM =
document
 look good to me. The document overall has improved as well.<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The requirement for performance measurement in=
 SR networks is essential for delivering services for different SLAs and th=
is work is critical to monitor key parameters like delay and loss in SR net=
works
 and especially for SR Policies. The choice of STAMP is also very apt as so=
mething that is supported in various data-plane implementations and also im=
portantly works for both SR-MPLS and SRv6 =E2=80=93 a common mechanism. The=
refore I support the adoption of this work
 by the WG.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Coming to the document itself, given that this=
 is an adoption call, I would like to provide two high-level comments to th=
e authors (but also for the WG/chairs to discuss/consider) :<u></u><u></u><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0cm" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0c=
m"><span>I find it odd that this work is categorized as Informational where=
 it clearly needs to be Standards Track. IIRC, it was Standards Track at
 the previous adoption call. The document contains the procedures for the p=
erformance measurements that need to be standardized to have interoperabili=
ty and consistency across vendor implementations. Operators expect this. St=
andardization is not just about
 packet formats on the wire and procedures are equally important.<u></u><u>=
</u></span></li><li class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph" style=
=3D"margin-left:0cm"><span>Somewhat related to (1), I would expect the lang=
uage for the procedures to be described in a bit more formal/tighter way an=
d perhaps make use
 of normative language. I will give a couple of examples below:<u></u><u></=
u></span></li></ol>
<p class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph"><span>Sec 4.1.2 : =C2=A0=
Shouldn=E2=80=99t the selection of Destination Address/Session-Reflector Ad=
dress be specified in a more normative way?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 The STAMP Session-Sender IPv4 or =
IPv6 address is used as the Source<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Address.=C2=A0 The SR Policy endp=
oint IPv4 or IPv6 address is used as the<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;;color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 Destination Address.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph"><span>Sec 4.1.2.1 =E2=80=
=93 isn=E2=80=99t it required that all SLs be monitored? So that would be a=
 MUST monitor all SLs?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 An SR-MPLS Policy may contain=
 a number of Segment Lists (SLs).=C2=A0 A<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 STAMP Session-Sender test pac=
ket is transmitted for each Segment List<u></u><u></u></span></pre>
<pre><span style=3D"color:black">=C2=A0=C2=A0 of the SR-MPLS Policy. <u></u=
><u></u></span></pre>
<p class=3D"m_3383474770518725119MsoListParagraph"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></=
u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>The above are not really blocking comments for=
 the adoption and I will request the authors to consider this.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span>Ketan<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #e1e1e1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> spring &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D=
"_blank">spring-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 June 2021 18:04<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf=
.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spri=
ng-chairs@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.o=
rg/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">http=
s://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear WG:<u></u><u></u></span></=
p></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-IN" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_3383474770518725119WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted </span>=
<span lang=3D"EN-CA"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.=
com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ipp=
m-stamp-srpm-00&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0=
e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C63758445=
6542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB=
TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCr=
zBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" target=3D"_blank"><span style=3D"co=
lor:blue">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-=
00</span></a>
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draf=
t-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/a=
rchive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its c=
ompanion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has
 now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adopti=
on of the SPRING document.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Due to the lapse of several mon=
ths since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start anot=
her 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-sprin=
g-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-CA">After review of the SPRING docu=
ment please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-CA">Please also provide comments/reasons for that s=
upport (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.</spa=
n><span lang=3D"EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
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Hi Jim,

Thanks for the latest version and your replies.
Please see inline [Bruno2]

As an aside, I'm waiting for the reviews from the RTG and INT directorate. =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr/history/
In the meantime, I'm initiated the shepherd write up.

From: James Guichard [mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:00 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET <bruno.decraene@orange.com>; spring@ietf.org
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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Latest version covers most of your comments I think. Please see inline.

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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your reply.
Please see inline [Bruno]

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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Following up on this. Please see inline.

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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, WG,

Speaking as the shepherd.

Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.

I've reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find bel=
ow some additional comments.

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SR-MPLS  =A76.1

" At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF l=
abel at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to=
 disable Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh=
-sr-04 is mandating.

I"m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:
- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and=
 there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, th=
is prefix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers t=
o a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)
- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed " At the end of the=
 SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an  indication to the tail-end tha=
t NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack  as described by [RFC8596].

Jim> I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:

   As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix
   segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected
   neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform
   the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.
   When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the
   NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.  This
   is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore
   the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be
   advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop
   node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and
   thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.  This is realized by setting No-
   PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].  It is
   RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for
   use by the SFC application for this purpose.

   Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the
   SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end
   that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].

So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment a=
s the indicator as described by the 1st paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second paragraph.

[Bruno] There are two options but the text currently says that the first op=
tion MUST be used ("the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC =
MUST be advertised with the CONTINUE operation") which seems to nullifies t=
he second paragraph ("Alternatively, ").
So may be some rephrasing may be needed to indeed allow both options.

Jim> Covered in latest version.
[Bruno2] In -06, I'm not seeing any change related to this section 6.1

Also
"   At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

In the scheme "SR-based SFC", "the end of the SR-MPLS" is only the last SF =
(not all other SF on the SF chain).
So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS =
label stack?
Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF al=
ong the SR-MPLS path

Jim> as far as I can tell "other SFC" do not need an indication as the pref=
ix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack and fo=
rward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the prefix SID.

[Bruno] OK for SRv6.

For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft says "In the case of SR-MPLS this wi=
ll be a prefix SID [RFC8402<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/=
?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&data=3D04%=
7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637587659333473559%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ=
sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1=
000&sdata=3D7p4OEBu%2Fztrqd3ZxPPAg0D4bSwgGSptR%2Ba%2FerR7zLkg%3D&reserved=
=3D0>]"

 - Can it use the "regular" prefix SID? (draft only says that It is RECOMME=
NDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SF=
C application for this purpose.)

 - If not, does it needs a specific & dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem t=
o mandate that a Prefix Segment be an IGP prefix segment and that a single =
prefix-SID be advertised per tuple <prefix, topology, algorithm>

 - How does the ingress know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-base=
d SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?

Jim> In MPLS (including SR-MPLS) nodes uses labels as they please.  So yes,=
 an SFF that may also be an MPLS switch needs to advertise separate labels =
to indicate that they are used for SFF processing (looking at the NSH).  As=
 far as I know, MPLS / SR-MPLS has never standardized how this is indicated=
 / coordinated.  By assumption, the PCE / Ingress classifier knows what lab=
els to use.
[Bruno2] OK.
--Bruno



Jim

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;T=
imes New Roman&quot;;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-bidi-font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;T=
imes New Roman&quot;;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
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guage:EN-US">Thanks for the latest version and your replies.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
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guage:EN-US">Please see inline [Bruno2]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
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guage:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US">As an aside, I&#8217;m waiting for the reviews from
 the RTG and INT directorate. <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/d=
raft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr/history/">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr/history/</a><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US">In the meantime, I&#8217;m initiated the shepherd write
 up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
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guage:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span class=3D"SpellE"><b><span style=3D"mso-fareast=
-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">From</span></b></span><b><span st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">:</span></b><sp=
an style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"> James
 Guichard [mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 18, 2021 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET &lt;bruno.decraene@orange.com&gt;; spri=
ng@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Latest version covers most of your comments I think. Please see inline.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-outline-level:1"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US=
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yle=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">
<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a> =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com<=
/a>&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Guichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com">jgu=
ichar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span>=
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S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
<o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
Thanks for your reply.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
Please see inline [Bruno]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
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a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org</a=
>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
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<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@oran=
ge.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:=
p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S">Following up on this. Please see inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" st=
yle=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">
<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a> =
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/a>&gt;
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-U=
S"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Hi authors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Speaking as the shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comment=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I&#8217;ve reviewed the document again, focusing on the ne=
w text. Please find below some additional comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">SR-MPLS&nbsp; =A76.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&quot; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to p=
rovide an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows t=
he SR-MPLS label stack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal b=
y adding an SFF label at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would no=
t be mandatory to disable Penultimate
 Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04 is mandating.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I&quot;m seeing two options that you could either choose f=
rom or describe both:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs t=
o be disabled and there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (=
alternatively, this prefix SID is _the_
 SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers to a local label(segmen=
t) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed &q=
uot; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an&nbsp; ind=
ication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS
 label stack&nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says=
:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling exte=
nsion for IGP-Prefix<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; segment includes a flag to indicate whether direc=
tly connected<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; neighbors of the node on which the prefix is atta=
ched should perform<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when=
 processing the SID.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessa=
ry to terminate the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS=
 label stack.&nbsp; This<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (U=
HP) and therefore<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of th=
e SFC MUST be<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that th=
e penultimate hop<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS la=
bel stack and<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.&nbsp; This i=
s realized by setting No-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC866=
5].&nbsp; It is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocat=
ed at each node for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; use by the SFC application for this purpose.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, th=
en at the end of the<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indica=
tion to the tail-end<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as descr=
ibed by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the pre=
fix segment as the indicator as described by the 1<sup>st</sup> paragraph i=
n the new text, or 2) use an SFF label
 as described by the second paragraph.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
[Bruno] There are two options but the text currently says that the first op=
tion MUST be used (&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10=
.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN=
-GB">the
 prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be advertised with=
 the CONTINUE operation</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:=
EN-GB">&#8221;) which seems to nullifies the second
 paragraph (&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Al=
ternatively, &#8220;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=
So may be some rephrasing may be needed to indeed allow both options.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Jim&gt; Covere=
d in latest version.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US">[Bruno2] In -06, I&#8217;m not seeing any change related
 to this section 6.1</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;m=
so-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-=
font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Also&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is ne=
cessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows t=
he SR-MPLS label stack<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;&nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">In the scheme &quot;SR-based SFC&quot;, &quot;the end of t=
he SR-MPLS&quot; is only the last SF (not all other SF on the SF chain).<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH fol=
lows the SR-MPLS label stack?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/=
for all the SF along the SR-MPLS path<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red;mso-ansi-lan=
guage:EN-GB">Jim&gt; as far as I can tell &#8220;other SFC&#8221; do not ne=
ed an indication as the prefix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove a=
nd cache the SR stack and forward the NSH packet to the
 SF associated with the prefix SID. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">[Bruno] OK for SRv=
6.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">For SR-MPLS, how d=
oes this work? Draft says &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">In=
 the case of SR-MPLS this will be a prefix SID [</span><span style=3D"font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><a href=3D"https://nam11.s=
afelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2=
Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7Cdcd09=
bcf14b84c5ab81608d92a991953%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C63=
7587659333473559%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMz=
IiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3D7p4OEBu%2Fztrqd3ZxPPAg0=
D4bSwgGSptR%2Ba%2FerR7zLkg%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" title=3D"&quot;Segment Rout=
ing Architecture&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-=
GB">RFC8402</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">]&#8221; <o:p=
></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;- Can it use=
 the &#8220;regular&#8221; prefix SID? (draft only says that </span><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;=
;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">It is RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be a=
llocated at each node for use by the SFC application for this purpose.)<o:p=
></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> - If not, does it=
 needs a specific &amp; dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem to mandate that=
 a Prefix Segment be an IGP prefix segment and that a single prefix-SID be =
advertised per </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-f=
amily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">tuple &lt;prefix, to=
pology, algorithm&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;- </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#44=
72C4;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">How does the ingress know that this Prefix SI=
D is to be used for SR-based SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?</sp=
an><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier=
 New&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o=
:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">Jim&gt; </span>
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-US">In MPLS (including S=
R-MPLS) nodes uses labels as they please.&nbsp; So yes, an SFF that may als=
o be an MPLS switch needs to advertise separate labels to indicate that the=
y are used for SFF processing (looking at
 the NSH).&nbsp; As far as I know, MPLS / SR-MPLS has never standardized ho=
w this is indicated / coordinated.&nbsp; By assumption, the PCE / Ingress c=
lassifier knows what labels to use.&nbsp;
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US">[Bruno2] OK.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;mso-b=
idi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-font=
-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-US;mso-fareast-lan=
guage:EN-US">--Bruno</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;m=
so-bidi-font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;mso-bidi-=
font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" sty=
le=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-ansi-languag=
e:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>Jim<o:p></o:p></pre>
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This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Integration of Network Service Header (NSH) and Segment Routing for Service Function Chaining (SFC)
        Authors         : James N Guichard
                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-07.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2021-06-22

Abstract:
   This document describes the integration of Network Service Header
   (NSH) and Segment Routing (SR), as well as encapsulation details, to
   support Service Function Chaining (SFC) in an efficient manner while
   maintaining separation of the service and transport planes as
   originally intended by the SFC architecture.

   Combining these technologies allows SR to be used for steering
   packets between Service Function Forwarders (SFF) along a given
   Service Function Path (SFP) while NSH has the responsibility for
   maintaining the integrity of the service plane, the SFC instance
   context, and any associated metadata.

   The integration described in this document demonstrates that NSH and
   SR can work jointly and complement each other leaving the network
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   makes sense in specific areas of their network infrastructure, and
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Hi Bruno,

v-07 just posted please check section 6.1 to make sure that it satisfies yo=
ur comments.

Thanks!

Jim

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com <bruno.decraene@orange.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:33 AM
To: James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>; spring@ietf.org
Cc: draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org
Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Jim,

Thanks for the latest version and your replies.
Please see inline [Bruno2]

As an aside, I'm waiting for the reviews from the RTG and INT directorate. =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr/history/<https://=
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In the meantime, I'm initiated the shepherd write up.

From: James Guichard [mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com]
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 5:00 PM
To: DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET <bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decrae=
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Cc: draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.=
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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Latest version covers most of your comments I think. Please see inline.

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com> <bruno.de=
craene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:19 PM
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Cc: draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.=
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Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Jim,

Thanks for your reply.
Please see inline [Bruno]

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Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:13 PM
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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi Bruno,

Following up on this. Please see inline.

From: bruno.decraene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com> <bruno.de=
craene@orange.com<mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:41 PM
To: spring@ietf.org<mailto:spring@ietf.org>
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org>
Subject: RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, WG,

Speaking as the shepherd.

Thanks for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.

I've reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find bel=
ow some additional comments.

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SR-MPLS  =A76.1

" At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

My understanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF l=
abel at the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to=
 disable Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh=
-sr-04 is mandating.

I"m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:
- a prefix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and=
 there is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, th=
is prefix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596, although 8596 refers t=
o a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID is a global segment)
- use a multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed " At the end of the=
 SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an  indication to the tail-end tha=
t NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack  as described by [RFC8596].

Jim> I believe this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:

   As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix
   segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected
   neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform
   the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.
   When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the
   NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.  This
   is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore
   the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be
   advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop
   node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and
   thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.  This is realized by setting No-
   PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].  It is
   RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for
   use by the SFC application for this purpose.

   Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the
   SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end
   that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].

So there are two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment a=
s the indicator as described by the 1st paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second paragraph.

[Bruno] There are two options but the text currently says that the first op=
tion MUST be used ("the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC =
MUST be advertised with the CONTINUE operation") which seems to nullifies t=
he second paragraph ("Alternatively, ").
So may be some rephrasing may be needed to indeed allow both options.

Jim> Covered in latest version.
[Bruno2] In -06, I'm not seeing any change related to this section 6.1

Also
"   At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack
   as described by [RFC8596]."

In the scheme "SR-based SFC", "the end of the SR-MPLS" is only the last SF =
(not all other SF on the SF chain).
So how does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS =
label stack?
Alternatively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF al=
ong the SR-MPLS path

Jim> as far as I can tell "other SFC" do not need an indication as the pref=
ix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack and fo=
rward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the prefix SID.

[Bruno] OK for SRv6.

For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft says "In the case of SR-MPLS this wi=
ll be a prefix SID [RFC8402<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/=
?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&data=3D04%=
7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C83f5845c9b634e4ee24c08d93579ee85%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637599620111594356%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ=
sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2=
000&sdata=3DwiA17CTD5o5b3TdxuKJqC6JwJJdRrOZSZ2V4kmTmcKU%3D&reserved=3D0>]"

 - Can it use the "regular" prefix SID? (draft only says that It is RECOMME=
NDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SF=
C application for this purpose.)

 - If not, does it needs a specific & dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem t=
o mandate that a Prefix Segment be an IGP prefix segment and that a single =
prefix-SID be advertised per tuple <prefix, topology, algorithm>

 - How does the ingress know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-base=
d SFC? And only to be used for SR-based SFC?

Jim> In MPLS (including SR-MPLS) nodes uses labels as they please.  So yes,=
 an SFF that may also be an MPLS switch needs to advertise separate labels =
to indicate that they are used for SFF processing (looking at the NSH).  As=
 far as I know, MPLS / SR-MPLS has never standardized how this is indicated=
 / coordinated.  By assumption, the PCE / Ingress classifier knows what lab=
els to use.
[Bruno2] OK.
--Bruno



Jim

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">v-07 just posted please check section 6.1 to make su=
re that it satisfies your comments.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Jim<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> bruno.decraene@orange.com &lt;bruno.dec=
raene@orange.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 22, 2021 8:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Guichard &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;; spring@ietf.org<b=
r>
<b>Cc:</b> draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">Thanks for the latest version and your replies.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">Please see inline [Bruno2]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">As an aside, I&#8217;m waiting for the reviews from t=
he RTG and INT directorate.
<a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2=
F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fdraft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr%2Fhistory%2F&amp;=
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr/history/</a><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">In the meantime, I&#8217;m initiated the shepherd wri=
te up.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"F=
R"> James Guichard [<a href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com">mailto:jguich=
ar@futurewei.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, June 18, 2021 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno INNOV/NET &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@or=
ange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Latest version covers most of your comments I think.=
 Please see inline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@or=
ange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, June 8, 2021 12:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> James Guichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com">jgu=
ichar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Hi Jim,<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Thanks for your reply.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">Please see inline [Bruno=
]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"FR">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"F=
R"> spring [<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:spring-bounce=
s@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James Guichard<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 18, 2021 5:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@oran=
ge.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spring] WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Bruno,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Following up on this. Please see inline.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange=
.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@or=
ange.com">bruno.decraene@orange.com</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 1:41 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">draft-ietf-=
spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: WG Last Call draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi auth=
ors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Speakin=
g as the shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Thanks =
for the -04 which answer my previous set of comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&#8217=
;ve reviewed the document again, focusing on the new text. Please find belo=
w some additional comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">=3D=3D=
=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">SR-MPLS=
&nbsp; =A76.1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&quot; =
At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">My unde=
rstanding is that RFC8596 performs the above goal by adding an SFF label at=
 the bottom of the stack. In which case it would not be mandatory to disabl=
e Penultimate Hop Popping on the prefix
 SID as draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-04 is mandating.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">I&quot;=
m seeing two options that you could either choose from or describe both:<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- a pre=
fix SID dedicated to NSH. In which case PHP needs to be disabled and there =
is no need for the SFF label specified in RFC8596 (alternatively, this pref=
ix SID is _the_ SFF label defined in RFC8596,
 although 8596 refers to a local label(segment) while usually a prefix SID =
is a global segment)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">- use a=
 multi-purpose prefix SID. In which case, indeed &quot; At the end of the S=
R-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an&nbsp; indication to the tail-end =
that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack&nbsp; as described
 by [RFC8596].<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; I b=
elieve this is clarified in -v05. The new text says:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; As described in [RFC8402], the IGP signaling extension for IGP-Prefix<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; segment includes a flag to indicate whether directly connected<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; neighbors of the node on which the prefix is attached should perform<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; the NEXT operation or the CONTINUE operation when processing the SID.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; When NSH is carried beneath SR-MPLS it is necessary to terminate the<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; NSH-based SFC at the tail-end node of the SR-MPLS label stack.&nbsp; This=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; is the equivalent of MPLS Ultimate Hop Popping (UHP) and therefore<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; the prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; advertised with the CONTINUE operation so that the penultimate hop<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; node does not pop the top label of the SR-MPLS label stack and<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; thereby expose NSH to the wrong SFF.&nbsp; This is realized by setting No=
-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; PHP flag in Prefix-SID Sub-TLV [RFC8667], [RFC8665].&nbsp; It is<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; RECOMMENDED that a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; use by the SFC application for this purpose.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red"><o:p>&nbsp;=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; Alternatively, if NEXT operation is performed, then at the end of the<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an indication to the tail-end<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack as described by [RFC8596].<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">&nbsp;&nbsp=
; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">So there ar=
e two options as you indicate above. 1) use the prefix segment as the indic=
ator as described by the 1<sup>st</sup> paragraph in the new text, or 2) us=
e an SFF label as described by the second
 paragraph.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;<=
/span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] There are two op=
tions but the text currently says that the first option MUST be used (&#822=
0;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;C=
ourier New&quot;;color:#4472C4">the
 prefix-SID associated with the tail-end of the SFC MUST be advertised with=
 the CONTINUE operation</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">&#8221;) which se=
ems to nullifies the second paragraph (&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#4472C4"=
>Alternatively,
 &#8220;).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">So may be some rephrasin=
g may be needed to indeed allow both options.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif">Jim&gt; Covered in latest version.<o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">[Bruno2] In -06, I&#8217;m not seeing any change rela=
ted to this section 6.1</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Also&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&quot;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an<o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;&=
nbsp; as described by [RFC8596].&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">In the =
scheme &quot;SR-based SFC&quot;, &quot;the end of the SR-MPLS&quot; is only=
 the last SF (not all other SF on the SF chain).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">So how =
does others SFC have an indication that the NSH follows the SR-MPLS label s=
tack?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D">Alterna=
tively something along :s/ end of the SR-MPLS path/for all the SF along the=
 SR-MPLS path<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:red">Jim&gt; as =
far as I can tell &#8220;other SFC&#8221; do not need an indication as the =
prefix SID has End.NSH action so they will remove and cache the SR stack an=
d forward the NSH packet to the SF associated with the
 prefix SID. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">[Bruno] OK for SRv6.<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">For SR-MPLS, how does this work? Draft say=
s &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Courier New&quot;">In the case of SR-MPLS this will be a prefix SID [=
</span><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;"><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=
=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Frfc8402&amp;data=3D04%=
7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C83f5845c9b634e4ee24c08d93579ee85%7C0fee8f=
f2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C1%7C637599620111594356%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZ=
sb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2=
000&amp;sdata=3DwiA17CTD5o5b3TdxuKJqC6JwJJdRrOZSZ2V4kmTmcKU%3D&amp;reserved=
=3D0" title=3D"&quot;Segment Routing Architecture&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B">RFC8402</span></a></span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">]&#8221; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">&nbsp;- Can it use the &#8220;regular&#822=
1; prefix SID? (draft only says that </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">It is RECOMMENDED that=
 a specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SFC applica=
tion for this purpose.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial=
&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4"> - If not, does it needs a specific &amp; =
dedicated IP address? (RFC8402 seem to mandate that a Prefix Segment be an =
IGP prefix segment and that a single prefix-SID be advertised per </span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&=
quot;">tuple &lt;prefix, topology, algorithm&gt; <o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Couri=
er New&quot;">&nbsp;- </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#4472C4">How does the ingre=
ss know that this Prefix SID is to be used for SR-based SFC? And only to be=
 used for SR-based SFC?</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Jim&gt; </span>In MPLS (includi=
ng SR-MPLS) nodes uses labels as they please.&nbsp; So yes, an SFF that may=
 also be an MPLS switch needs to advertise separate labels to indicate that=
 they are used for SFF processing (looking at
 the NSH).&nbsp; As far as I know, MPLS / SR-MPLS has never standardized ho=
w this is indicated / coordinated.&nbsp; By assumption, the PCE / Ingress c=
lassifier knows what labels to use.&nbsp;
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">[Bruno2] OK.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ar=
ial&quot;,sans-serif">--Bruno</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size=
:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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er New&quot;">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Courier New&quot;"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"FR">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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Syed,

You are listed as a contributed on the draft https://datatracker.ietf.org/d=
oc/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-06.txt#section-10
IINM I'm not finding your answer to the below IPR call.

Could you please respond to this IPR call by replying either to this email =
or the original one (enclosed)?

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno




From: DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN
Sent: Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:06 PM
To: spring@ietf.org; draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org
Subject: IPR call for draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, contributors, WG

Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last call.
In preparation of the WGLC on draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr [1], this email star=
ts a poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr please res=
pond to this email and keep the mailing list in copy.
If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in a=
ccordance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879,=
 3669 and 5378).

If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email, on the =
SPRING mailing list, regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR.
If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if =
you're aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

Thanks,
Regards,
Bruno, Jim, Joel

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr


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Subject: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, WG,

Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last call.
Before initiating it, I've done a review of the draft as document shepherd.
Please find below some comments.

---
It's not crystal clear to me what the scope and the goal of the document ar=
e.

-          From the abstract, it's an informative description of two applic=
ations scenarios

-          From section 5, it's a specification of how to integrate NSH and=
 SR.

o   Although it's only really specified for SRv6 and not SR-MPLS.

Please clarify to update the document as needed.

----
IdNits reports for 2 errors. [1]
  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 7665

-          Probably the only really normative reference is in the security =
section. Do you think that a reference to RFC8300 could be used instead (83=
00 has a large security consideration section)?

-          I noticed that 8300 had the same issue. What was the feedback fr=
om AD at the time?

  ** There are 4 instances of too long lines in the document, the longest o=
ne
     being 82 characters in excess of 72.
Could you please correct in the next version of the draft?

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-iet=
f-spring-nsh-sr-03.txt
-----
Abstract


The abstract feels like the document is informational (e.g., This document =
describes two application scenarios")
But the document asks for an IANA allocation requiring a STD track document=
, so the draft needs to be std track.
Do you think that you could add that the document defines the encapsulation=
 of NSH for SR-MPLS and SRv6?

----
The introduction section seems to be coming from the SFC WG.

-          May be adding some text about SPRING?

-          Although this is a personal opinion, I find some sentences a bit=
 marketing oriented. Could you please have a look? E.g.

o    "The SFC architecture has the merit to not make assumptions"
What about "The SFC architecture does not make assumptions"? This seems mor=
e neutral.

o    "Among all these approaches, the IETF endorsed a transport-independent

-             SFC encapsulation scheme: NSH [RFC8300<https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/rfc8300>]; which is the most mature SFC encapsulation solution. =BB
I'm not sure how much "is the most mature" is true or not. I'm not sure tha=
t the SPRING WG needs to make such statement nor that it is best placed to =
make such statement.
I'm not sure about "the IETF endorsed a transport-independent  SFC encapsul=
ation scheme". Idem with regards to SPRING WG. I'm not sure that this is a =
typical statement in RFC. If so, it feels like the IETF would have equally =
endorsed transport-depending SFC encapsulation scheme. [RFC8595] https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/rfc8595

-          "This design is pragmatic"
Looks like an opinion. Plus I'm not sure that the SPRING WG needs to judge =
the work of the SFC WG.
----
=A72

"The two SR flavors, namely SR-MPLS [RFC8660<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf=
c8660>] and SRv6 [RFC8754<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8754>],"

May be :s/flavors/data plane


"Further considerations such as simplifying classification at intermediate =
SFs"
I'm not sure that simplifying classification is the main point of adding NS=
H. RFC8595 does not refers to this. A priori SR supports a single initial c=
lassification.


----
=A72

"A classifier SHOULD assign an NSH Service Path Identifier (SPI) per

   SR policy so that different traffic flows that use the same NSH

   Service Function Path (SFP) but different SR policy can coexist on

   the same SFP without conflict during SFF processing."



Is the above sentence applicable to both applications scenarios or only for=
 the second one (SR-based SFC with integrated NSH service plane)?

In the current text, it's applicable to both while I'm not sure that it's a=
pplicable to "NSH-based SFC with SR-based transport plane" where the transp=
ort plane (hence the SR policy) is independent of the service plane.

---

=AB hierarchical SFC [RFC8459<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8459>] =BB

Does this document specifically covers hierarchical SFC (hence hierarchical=
 SFC & SR)? Is this reference really pertinent?


---
=A73
Section 3 barely speaks about SR. Is this really a SPRING document?

When SR is refered to, there is nothing specific to SR.

e.g. "After removing the outer transport encapsulation, that may or may not=
 be SR-MPLS or SRv6,"
If the document is related to the integration of SFC and SR, surely the enc=
apsulation is either SR-MPLS or SRv6 (rather than may or may not be SR).

May be indicating that in this scenario, there is a priori one SR-policy pe=
r SF (while in the next scenario, there is a single SR-policy for the whole=
 service chain). That would talk about SR and may provide a key distinction=
 between both.





  " At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an

   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack.

   There are several ways to achieve this but its specification is

   outside the scope of this document."


I agree that this is necessary.
But why is the main  text related to SR-MPLS in this scenario, not specifyi=
ng the behaviour?
I  don't follow the logic of specifying it for SRv6 (and hence requiring th=
is document to be standard track while otherwise it could be an information=
al document describing two scenarios) and not specifying it for SR-MPLS.

Note that this text is duplicated in =A75.1. And 5.1 is nearly defining one=
 proposition, so why not saying that this is a solution? (there is no need =
to define the encoding for the control plane since this part would likely n=
ot be in a spring document) (a

   specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SFC

   application for this purpose.)


---
=A74

   The benefits of this scheme include:



[...].



   o  It simplifies the SFF (i.e., the SR router) by nullifying the

      needs for re-classification and SR proxy.

Regarding the need for reclassification, it seems to me that SR alone can n=
ullify

Regarding the need for SR proxy, the behaviour described seems very close t=
o a SR proxy "The SFF strips

   the SR information of the packet, updates the SR information, and

   saves it to a cache indexed by the NSH SPI.  This saved SR

   information is used to encapsulate and forward the packet(s) coming

   back from the SF. =BB






   o  It provides a unique and standard way to pass metadata to SFs.

      Note that currently there is no solution for SR-MPLS to carry

      metadata and there is no solution to pass metadata to SR-unaware

      SFs.

RFC8595 provides another standard way to pass meta data for SR-MPLS.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595#section-12

---
=A77.2

"   Encapsulation of NSH following SRv6 may be indicated either by

   encapsulating NSH in UDP (UDP port TBA1) and indicating UDP in the

   Next Header field of the SRH, or by indicating an IP protocol number

   for NSH in the Next Header of the SRH. "


Why is there a need for two solutions?
If so, what are the applicability statement or pro&con of each?
For interop purpose, which one is mandatory and which one is optional?

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno

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t-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-farea=
st-language:FR">:</span></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:FR">
 DECRAENE Bruno TGI/OLN <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 9, 2021 7:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> spring@ietf.org; draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> IPR call for draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last=
 call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">In preparation of the WGLC on draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr [1]=
, this email starts a poll for IPR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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-language:EN-GB">If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-=
nsh-sr please respond to this email and keep the mailing list in copy.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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ware of any IPR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-language:EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Bruno, Jim, Joel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">[1]
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr">https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibr=
i;mso-fareast-language:FR">From:</span></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast=
-language:FR">
 spring [<a href=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:spring-bounces@i=
etf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b><a href=3D"mailto:bruno.decraene@orange.com">bruno.decr=
aene@orange.com</a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 2, 2020 4:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org">spring@ietf.org</a>; <a href=
=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org">
draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Hi authors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last=
 call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Before initiating it, I&#8217;ve done a review of the draf=
t as document shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Please find below some comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">It&#8217;s not crystal clear to me what the scope and the =
goal of the document are.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">From the abstract, it&#8217;s an informative descr=
iption of two applications scenarios<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">From section 5, it&#8217;s a specification of how =
to integrate NSH and SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
r New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Although it&#8217;s only really specified for SRv6=
 and not SR-MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Please clarify to update the document as needed.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">IdNits reports for 2 errors. [1]
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;</span>** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC:
 RFC 7665<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US">Probably the only really normative reference is i=
n the security section. Do you think that a reference
 to RFC8300 could be used instead (8300 has a large security consideration =
section)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US">I noticed that 8300 had the same issue. What was =
the feedback from AD at the time?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
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w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;
</span>** There are 4 instances of too long lines in the document, the long=
est one<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>being 82 characters in excess of 72.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Could you please correct in t=
he next version of the draft?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">[1]
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/dr=
aft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-03.txt">
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sp=
ring-nsh-sr-03.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Abstract<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&q=
uot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US">The abstract feels like the document is informational (e.g=
.,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">This document describes two application =
scenarios&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">But the document asks for an IANA allocation requiring a S=
TD track document, so the draft needs to be std track.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Do you think that you could add that the document defines =
the encapsulation of NSH for SR-MPLS and SRv6?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">The introduction section seems to be coming from the SFC W=
G.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">May be adding some text about SPRING?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Although this is a personal opinion, I find some s=
entences a bit marketing oriented. Could you please have a look? E.g.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-an=
si-language:EN-GB">The SFC architecture has the merit to not make
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">assumptions</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-l=
anguage:EN-GB">&#8221;<br>
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What about &#8220;The SFC architecture does n=
ot make assumptions&#8221;? This seems more neutral.</span>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langu=
age:EN-GB">&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Among all these approaches, the
 IETF endorsed a transport-independent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo=
4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-=
GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </s=
pan></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language=
:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>SFC encap=
sulation scheme: NSH [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8300=
" title=3D"&quot;Network Service Header (NSH)&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">RFC8300</s=
pan></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">]; which is =
the most mature SFC encapsulation solution.&nbsp;=BB<br><span style=3D"colo=
r:#1F497D">I&#8217;m not sure how much &#8220;is the most mature&#8221; is =
true or not. I&#8217;m not sure that the SPRING WG needs to make such state=
ment nor that it is best placed to make such statement.<br>I&#8217;m not su=
re about &#8220;</span>the IETF endorsed a transport-independent<span style=
=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>SFC encapsulation scheme&#8221;. <span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Idem with regards to SPRING WG. I&#8217;m not sure =
that this is a typical statement in RFC. If so, it feels like the IETF woul=
d have equally endorsed transport-depending SFC encapsulation scheme. [RFC8=
595] <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595">https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/rfc8595</a></span><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;This design is pragmatic&#8=
221;<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"=
>Looks like an opinion. Plus I&#8217;m not sure that the SPRING WG needs to=
 judge the work of the SFC WG.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=A72<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;The two =
SR flavors, namely SR-MPLS [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/r=
fc8660" title=3D"&quot;Segment Routing with the MPLS Data Plane&quot;"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language=
:EN-GB">RFC8660</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:E=
N-GB">] and SRv6 [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8754" ti=
tle=3D"&quot;IPv6 Segment Routing Header (SRH)&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">RFC8754</=
span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">],&#8221;<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">M=
ay be :s/flavors/data plane</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;Further =
considerations such as simplifying classification at intermediate SFs&#8221=
;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I&#8217;m not sure that simplifying classification is the =
main point of adding NSH. RFC8595 does not refers to this. A priori SR supp=
orts a single initial classification.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family=
:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fare=
ast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">=A72<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;A classi=
fier SHOULD assign an NSH Service Path Identifier (SPI) per<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SR policy so that different traffic f=
lows that use the same NSH<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Service Function Path (SFP) but diffe=
rent SR policy can coexist on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>the same SFP without conflict during =
SFF processing.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">I=
s the above sentence applicable to both applications scenarios or only for =
the second one (</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">SR-based SFC with integrated NSH service plane)?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">I=
n the current text, it&#8217;s applicable to both while I&#8217;m not sure =
that it&#8217;s applicable to &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB">NSH-based SFC with SR-based transport plane&#8221;<=
span style=3D"color:#1F497D"> where the transport plane (hence the SR polic=
y) is independent of the service plane.<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">-=
--<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>=AB&nbsp;hierarchical SFC [<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8=
459" title=3D"&quot;Hierarchical Service Function Chaining (hSFC)&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri">RFC8459</span></a>]&nbsp;=BB =
<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">D=
oes this document specifically covers hierarchical SFC (hence hierarchical =
SFC &amp; SR)? Is this reference really pertinent?</span><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">=A73<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Section 3 barely speaks about SR. Is this really a SPRING =
document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">W=
hen SR is refered to, there is nothing specific to SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">e=
.g. &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Af=
ter removing the outer transport encapsulation, that may or may not be SR-M=
PLS or SRv6,&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">If the document is related to the integration of SFC and S=
R, surely the encapsulation is either SR-MPLS or SRv6 (rather than may or m=
ay not be SR).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">May be indicating that in this scenario, there is a priori=
 one SR-policy per SF (while in the next scenario, there is a single SR-pol=
icy for the whole service chain). That
 would talk about SR and may provide a key distinction between both.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>&#8220; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it i=
s necessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>indication to the tail-end that NSH f=
ollows the SR-MPLS label stack.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>There are several ways to achieve thi=
s but its specification is<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>outside the scope of this document.&#=
8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I agree that this is necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">But why is the main<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;
</span>text related to SR-MPLS in this scenario, not specifying the behavio=
ur?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;
</span>don&#8217;t follow the logic of specifying it for SRv6 (and hence re=
quiring this document to be standard track while otherwise it could be an i=
nformational document describing two scenarios) and not specifying it for S=
R-MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">N=
ote that this text is duplicated in =A75.1. And 5.1 is nearly defining one =
proposition, so why not saying that this is a solution? (there is no need t=
o define the encoding for the control plane since this part would likely no=
t be in a spring document) (</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-l=
anguage:EN-GB">a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>specific prefix-SID be allocated at e=
ach node for use by the SFC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span>application for this purpose.)=
<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=A74<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>The benefits of this scheme include:<=
o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">[&#8230;].<o:p>=
</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>o<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nb=
sp; </span>It simplifies the SFF (i.e., the SR router) by nullifying the<o:=
p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>needs for re-classi=
fication and SR proxy.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Regarding the need for reclassification, it seems to me th=
at SR alone can nullify<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">R=
egarding the need for SR proxy, the behaviour described seems very close to=
 a SR proxy &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:E=
N-GB">The SFF strips<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>the SR information of the packet, upd=
ates the SR information, and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"> <span style=3D=
"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>saves it to a cache indexed by the NS=
H SPI.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>This saved SR<o:p></o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>information is used to encapsulate an=
d forward the packet(s) coming<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span>back from the SF.&nbsp;=BB<o:p=
></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>o<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nb=
sp; </span>It provides a unique and standard way to pass metadata to SFs.<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Note that currently=
 there is no solution for SR-MPLS to carry<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>metadata and there =
is no solution to pass metadata to SR-unaware<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SFs.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">RFC8595 provides another standard way to pass meta data fo=
r SR-MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595#section-12"=
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595#section-12</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=A77.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;<span st=
yle=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Encapsulation of NSH following=
 SRv6 may be indicated either by<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>encapsulating NSH in UDP (UDP port TB=
A1) and indicating UDP in the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Next Header field of the SRH, or by i=
ndicating an IP protocol number<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>for NSH in the Next Header of the SRH=
. &#8220;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Why is there a need for two solutions?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">If so, what are the applicability statement or pro&amp;con=
 of each?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">For interop purpose, which one is mandatory and which one =
is optional?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">--Bruno</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langu=
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Hi authors, contributors, WG

Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last call.
In preparation of the WGLC on draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr [1], this email star=
ts a poll for IPR.

If you are aware of IPR that applies to draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr please res=
pond to this email and keep the mailing list in copy.
If you are aware of IPR, please indicate whether it has been disclosed in a=
ccordance to the IETF IPR rules (detailed are described in RFCs 3979, 4879,=
 3669 and 5378).

If you are an *author or contributor* please respond to this email, on the =
SPRING mailing list, regardless of whether or not you're aware of any IPR.
If you are not an author or contributor, please explicitly respond only if =
you're aware of IPR that has not yet been disclosed.

Thanks,
Regards,
Bruno, Jim, Joel

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr


From: spring [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of bruno.decraene@o=
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Subject: [spring] draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr

Hi authors, WG,

Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last call.
Before initiating it, I've done a review of the draft as document shepherd.
Please find below some comments.

---
It's not crystal clear to me what the scope and the goal of the document ar=
e.
-          From the abstract, it's an informative description of two applic=
ations scenarios
-          From section 5, it's a specification of how to integrate NSH and=
 SR.
o   Although it's only really specified for SRv6 and not SR-MPLS.

Please clarify to update the document as needed.

----
IdNits reports for 2 errors. [1]
  ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 7665
-          Probably the only really normative reference is in the security =
section. Do you think that a reference to RFC8300 could be used instead (83=
00 has a large security consideration section)?
-          I noticed that 8300 had the same issue. What was the feedback fr=
om AD at the time?

  ** There are 4 instances of too long lines in the document, the longest o=
ne
     being 82 characters in excess of 72.
Could you please correct in the next version of the draft?

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-iet=
f-spring-nsh-sr-03.txt
-----
Abstract

The abstract feels like the document is informational (e.g., This document =
describes two application scenarios")
But the document asks for an IANA allocation requiring a STD track document=
, so the draft needs to be std track.
Do you think that you could add that the document defines the encapsulation=
 of NSH for SR-MPLS and SRv6?

----
The introduction section seems to be coming from the SFC WG.
-          May be adding some text about SPRING?
-          Although this is a personal opinion, I find some sentences a bit=
 marketing oriented. Could you please have a look? E.g.
o    "The SFC architecture has the merit to not make assumptions"
What about "The SFC architecture does not make assumptions"? This seems mor=
e neutral.
o    "Among all these approaches, the IETF endorsed a transport-independent
-             SFC encapsulation scheme: NSH [RFC8300<https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/rfc8300>]; which is the most mature SFC encapsulation solution. =BB
I'm not sure how much "is the most mature" is true or not. I'm not sure tha=
t the SPRING WG needs to make such statement nor that it is best placed to =
make such statement.
I'm not sure about "the IETF endorsed a transport-independent  SFC encapsul=
ation scheme". Idem with regards to SPRING WG. I'm not sure that this is a =
typical statement in RFC. If so, it feels like the IETF would have equally =
endorsed transport-depending SFC encapsulation scheme. [RFC8595] https://to=
ols.ietf.org/html/rfc8595
-          "This design is pragmatic"
Looks like an opinion. Plus I'm not sure that the SPRING WG needs to judge =
the work of the SFC WG.
----
=A72
"The two SR flavors, namely SR-MPLS [RFC8660<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rf=
c8660>] and SRv6 [RFC8754<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8754>],"
May be :s/flavors/data plane

"Further considerations such as simplifying classification at intermediate =
SFs"
I'm not sure that simplifying classification is the main point of adding NS=
H. RFC8595 does not refers to this. A priori SR supports a single initial c=
lassification.

----
=A72
"A classifier SHOULD assign an NSH Service Path Identifier (SPI) per
   SR policy so that different traffic flows that use the same NSH
   Service Function Path (SFP) but different SR policy can coexist on
   the same SFP without conflict during SFF processing."

Is the above sentence applicable to both applications scenarios or only for=
 the second one (SR-based SFC with integrated NSH service plane)?
In the current text, it's applicable to both while I'm not sure that it's a=
pplicable to "NSH-based SFC with SR-based transport plane" where the transp=
ort plane (hence the SR policy) is independent of the service plane.
---
=AB hierarchical SFC [RFC8459<https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8459>] =BB
Does this document specifically covers hierarchical SFC (hence hierarchical=
 SFC & SR)? Is this reference really pertinent?

---
=A73
Section 3 barely speaks about SR. Is this really a SPRING document?
When SR is refered to, there is nothing specific to SR.
e.g. "After removing the outer transport encapsulation, that may or may not=
 be SR-MPLS or SRv6,"
If the document is related to the integration of SFC and SR, surely the enc=
apsulation is either SR-MPLS or SRv6 (rather than may or may not be SR).

May be indicating that in this scenario, there is a priori one SR-policy pe=
r SF (while in the next scenario, there is a single SR-policy for the whole=
 service chain). That would talk about SR and may provide a key distinction=
 between both.


  " At the end of the SR-MPLS path it is necessary to provide an
   indication to the tail-end that NSH follows the SR-MPLS label stack.
   There are several ways to achieve this but its specification is
   outside the scope of this document."

I agree that this is necessary.
But why is the main  text related to SR-MPLS in this scenario, not specifyi=
ng the behaviour?
I  don't follow the logic of specifying it for SRv6 (and hence requiring th=
is document to be standard track while otherwise it could be an information=
al document describing two scenarios) and not specifying it for SR-MPLS.
Note that this text is duplicated in =A75.1. And 5.1 is nearly defining one=
 proposition, so why not saying that this is a solution? (there is no need =
to define the encoding for the control plane since this part would likely n=
ot be in a spring document) (a
   specific prefix-SID be allocated at each node for use by the SFC
   application for this purpose.)


---
=A74
   The benefits of this scheme include:

[...].

   o  It simplifies the SFF (i.e., the SR router) by nullifying the
      needs for re-classification and SR proxy.

Regarding the need for reclassification, it seems to me that SR alone can n=
ullify
Regarding the need for SR proxy, the behaviour described seems very close t=
o a SR proxy "The SFF strips
   the SR information of the packet, updates the SR information, and
   saves it to a cache indexed by the NSH SPI.  This saved SR
   information is used to encapsulate and forward the packet(s) coming
   back from the SF. =BB



   o  It provides a unique and standard way to pass metadata to SFs.
      Note that currently there is no solution for SR-MPLS to carry
      metadata and there is no solution to pass metadata to SR-unaware
      SFs.

RFC8595 provides another standard way to pass meta data for SR-MPLS.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595#section-12

---
=A77.2
"   Encapsulation of NSH following SRv6 may be indicated either by
   encapsulating NSH in UDP (UDP port TBA1) and indicating UDP in the
   Next Header field of the SRH, or by indicating an IP protocol number
   for NSH in the Next Header of the SRH. "

Why is there a need for two solutions?
If so, what are the applicability statement or pro&con of each?
For interop purpose, which one is mandatory and which one is optional?

Thanks,
Regards,
--Bruno
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an>-spring-<span class=3D"SpellE">nsh</span>-<span class=3D"SpellE">sr</spa=
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:EN-GB">If you are aware of IPR that applies to
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d are described in RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:EN-GB">If you are an *author or contributor* please
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r not you're aware of any IPR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:EN-GB">If you are not an author or contributor,
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:=
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:EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:EN-GB">Bruno, Jim, Joel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ascii-font-family:=
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idi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language=
:EN-GB">[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
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areast-language:FR">From</span></b></span><b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-fon=
t-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-farea=
st-language:FR">:</span></b><span style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Ti=
mes New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:Calibri;mso-fareast-language:FR">
<span class=3D"SpellE">spring</span> [mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On=
 Behalf Of
</b>bruno.decraene@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 2, 2020 4:26 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> spring@ietf.org; draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [spring] draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Hi authors, WG,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Authors of draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr have asked for WG last=
 call.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Before initiating it, I&#8217;ve done a review of the draf=
t as document shepherd.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Please find below some comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">It&#8217;s not crystal clear to me what the scope and the =
goal of the document are.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">From the abstract, it&#8217;s an informative descr=
iption of two applications scenarios<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">From section 5, it&#8217;s a specification of how =
to integrate NSH and SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courie=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Although it&#8217;s only really specified for SRv6=
 and not SR-MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Please clarify to update the document as needed.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">IdNits reports for 2 errors. [1]
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;</span>** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC:
 RFC 7665<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US">Probably the only really normative reference is i=
n the security section. Do you think that a reference
 to RFC8300 could be used instead (8300 has a large security consideration =
section)?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-bidi-font-=
family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;ms=
o-fareast-language:EN-US">I noticed that 8300 had the same issue. What was =
the feedback from AD at the time?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;
</span>** There are 4 instances of too long lines in the document, the long=
est one<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229=
.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2p=
t 687.0pt 732.8pt">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier Ne=
w&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:FR"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>being 82 characters in excess of 72.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-indent:35.4pt"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Could you please correct in t=
he next version of the draft?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">[1]
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/dr=
aft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-03.txt">
https://tools.ietf.org/idnits?url=3Dhttps://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-sp=
ring-nsh-sr-03.txt</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">-----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Abstract<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calib=
ri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-bidi-font-family:&q=
uot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast=
-language:EN-US">The abstract feels like the document is informational (e.g=
.,</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans=
-serif;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:#1F497D;mso-a=
nsi-language:EN-GB;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"> </span><span lang=3D"EN-GB"=
 style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">This document describes two application =
scenarios&#8221;)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">But the document asks for an IANA allocation requiring a S=
TD track document, so the draft needs to be std track.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Do you think that you could add that the document defines =
the encapsulation of NSH for SR-MPLS and SRv6?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">The introduction section seems to be coming from the SFC W=
G.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"fon=
t:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">May be adding some text about SPRING?<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langua=
ge:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Although this is a personal opinion, I find some s=
entences a bit marketing oriented. Could you please have a look? E.g.
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;=
mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-an=
si-language:EN-GB">The SFC architecture has the merit to not make
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">assumptions</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-l=
anguage:EN-GB">&#8221;<br>
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">What about &#8220;The SFC architecture does n=
ot make assumptions&#8221;? This seems more neutral.</span>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cou=
rier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt;text-indent:-18.0=
pt;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo4">
<![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot=
;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">o<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langu=
age:EN-GB">&#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Ro=
man&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Among all these approaches, the
 IETF endorsed a transport-independent<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo=
4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,sans-serif;mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-=
GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </s=
pan></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language=
:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span>SFC encap=
sulation scheme: NSH [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8300=
" title=3D"&quot;Network Service Header (NSH)&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">RFC8300</s=
pan></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">]; which is =
the most mature SFC encapsulation solution.&nbsp;=BB<br><span style=3D"colo=
r:#1F497D">I&#8217;m not sure how much &#8220;is the most mature&#8221; is =
true or not. I&#8217;m not sure that the SPRING WG needs to make such state=
ment nor that it is best placed to make such statement.<br>I&#8217;m not su=
re about &#8220;</span>the IETF endorsed a transport-independent<span style=
=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>SFC encapsulation scheme&#8221;. <span =
style=3D"color:#1F497D">Idem with regards to SPRING WG. I&#8217;m not sure =
that this is a typical statement in RFC. If so, it feels like the IETF woul=
d have equally endorsed transport-depending SFC encapsulation scheme. [RFC8=
595] <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595">https://tools.ietf.org=
/html/rfc8595</a></span><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 leve=
l1 lfo4"><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0p=
t;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"=
font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times =
New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;This design is pragmatic&#8=
221;<br>
</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"=
>Looks like an opinion. Plus I&#8217;m not sure that the SPRING WG needs to=
 judge the work of the SFC WG.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;=
Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">=A72<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;The two =
SR flavors, namely SR-MPLS [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/r=
fc8660" title=3D"&quot;Segment Routing with the MPLS Data Plane&quot;"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language=
:EN-GB">RFC8660</span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:E=
N-GB">] and SRv6 [</span><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8754" ti=
tle=3D"&quot;IPv6 Segment Routing Header (SRH)&quot;"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" =
style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">RFC8754</=
span></a><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">],&#8221;<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">M=
ay be :s/flavors/data plane</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-la=
nguage:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roma=
n&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;Further =
considerations such as simplifying classification at intermediate SFs&#8221=
;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I&#8217;m not sure that simplifying classification is the =
main point of adding NSH. RFC8595 does not refers to this. A priori SR supp=
orts a single initial classification.</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"f=
ont-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fareast-font-family=
:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:72.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;mso-fare=
ast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">----<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">=A72<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;A classi=
fier SHOULD assign an NSH Service Path Identifier (SPI) per<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SR policy so that different traffic f=
lows that use the same NSH<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Service Function Path (SFP) but diffe=
rent SR policy can coexist on<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>the same SFP without conflict during =
SFF processing.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">I=
s the above sentence applicable to both applications scenarios or only for =
the second one (</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">SR-based SFC with integrated NSH service plane)?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">I=
n the current text, it&#8217;s applicable to both while I&#8217;m not sure =
that it&#8217;s applicable to &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"m=
so-ansi-language:EN-GB">NSH-based SFC with SR-based transport plane&#8221;<=
span style=3D"color:#1F497D"> where the transport plane (hence the SR polic=
y) is independent of the service plane.<o:p></o:p></span></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">-=
--<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre>=AB&nbsp;hierarchical SFC [<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8=
459" title=3D"&quot;Hierarchical Service Function Chaining (hSFC)&quot;"><s=
pan style=3D"mso-fareast-font-family:Calibri">RFC8459</span></a>]&nbsp;=BB =
<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">D=
oes this document specifically covers hierarchical SFC (hence hierarchical =
SFC &amp; SR)? Is this reference really pertinent?</span><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B">=A73<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Section 3 barely speaks about SR. Is this really a SPRING =
document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">W=
hen SR is refered to, there is nothing specific to SR.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">e=
.g. &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">Af=
ter removing the outer transport encapsulation, that may or may not be SR-M=
PLS or SRv6,&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">If the document is related to the integration of SFC and S=
R, surely the encapsulation is either SR-MPLS or SRv6 (rather than may or m=
ay not be SR).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">May be indicating that in this scenario, there is a priori=
 one SR-policy per SF (while in the next scenario, there is a single SR-pol=
icy for the whole service chain). That
 would talk about SR and may provide a key distinction between both.<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>&#8220; At the end of the SR-MPLS path it i=
s necessary to provide an<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>indication to the tail-end that NSH f=
ollows the SR-MPLS label stack.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>There are several ways to achieve thi=
s but its specification is<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>outside the scope of this document.&#=
8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I agree that this is necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">But why is the main<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;
</span>text related to SR-MPLS in this scenario, not specifying the behavio=
ur?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">I<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;
</span>don&#8217;t follow the logic of specifying it for SRv6 (and hence re=
quiring this document to be standard track while otherwise it could be an i=
nformational document describing two scenarios) and not specifying it for S=
R-MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">N=
ote that this text is duplicated in =A75.1. And 5.1 is nearly defining one =
proposition, so why not saying that this is a solution? (there is no need t=
o define the encoding for the control plane since this part would likely no=
t be in a spring document) (</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-l=
anguage:EN-GB">a<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>specific prefix-SID be allocated at e=
ach node for use by the SFC<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span>application for this purpose.)=
<o:p></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=A74<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>The benefits of this scheme include:<=
o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">[&#8230;].<o:p>=
</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>o<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nb=
sp; </span>It simplifies the SFF (i.e., the SR router) by nullifying the<o:=
p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>needs for re-classi=
fication and SR proxy.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-G=
B"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Regarding the need for reclassification, it seems to me th=
at SR alone can nullify<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">R=
egarding the need for SR proxy, the behaviour described seems very close to=
 a SR proxy &#8220;</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:E=
N-GB">The SFF strips<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>the SR information of the packet, upd=
ates the SR information, and<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>saves it to a cache indexed by the NS=
H SPI.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp; </span>This saved SR<o:p></o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>information is used to encapsulate an=
d forward the packet(s) coming<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span>back from the SF.&nbsp;=BB<o:p=
></o:p></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>o<span style=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nb=
sp; </span>It provides a unique and standard way to pass metadata to SFs.<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Note that currently=
 there is no solution for SR-MPLS to carry<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>metadata and there =
is no solution to pass metadata to SR-unaware<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>SFs.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">RFC8595 provides another standard way to pass meta data fo=
r SR-MPLS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595#section-12"=
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8595#section-12</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">=A77.2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB">&#8220;<span st=
yle=3D"mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Encapsulation of NSH following=
 SRv6 may be indicated either by<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>encapsulating NSH in UDP (UDP port TB=
A1) and indicating UDP in the<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>Next Header field of the SRH, or by i=
ndicating an IP protocol number<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><span style=3D"=
mso-spacerun:yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>for NSH in the Next Header of the SRH=
. &#8220;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></pre>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Why is there a need for two solutions?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">If so, what are the applicability statement or pro&amp;con=
 of each?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">For interop purpose, which one is mandatory and which one =
is optional?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-ansi=
-language:EN-GB">--Bruno</span><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-ansi-langu=
age:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for your consideration. Please find my follow-up notes in-lined under the GIM2>> tag.

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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG2>…
From: gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com <gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 10:57 PM
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Subject: Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
Hi Rakesh,
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line tagged GIM>>.
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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG>…
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Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for  https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
Dear Authors, et al.,
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comments from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with it being on the Informational track.
<RG> Many thanks.
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you see IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?
<RG> Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are the addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP.  The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 header depending on SR-MPLS  Policy or SRv6 Policy  being measured.
GIM>> Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Session-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsulation with SRH? Any reason why not simply  add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?
<RG2> When using the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SRH is added to bring the test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Session-Sender. In loopback mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring  the test packet back from the Session-Reflector to the Session-Sender. The bottom IPv6 header is not required when using SIDs of both forward + reverse paths in SRH.
GIM2>> Thank you for the clarification. If I understand it correctly, in the loopback mode the STAMP Session-Reflector function is not involved in processing the STAMP test packet. If that is the case, what is the value of including the description of the loopback mode in the draft?

I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 to Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of the field to simplify demultiplexing   STAMP test sessions.
<RG> Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revision.
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test
packets in a network.
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/ might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any
packet that has a destination address on network 127.
<RG> Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.
GIM>> Thank you, looking forward to the next version.
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in what case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including IPv4, the section should document   the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.
<RG> It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packets for links.
<RG> However, we could add text to state
“SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for transmitting the test packets for links.”
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Sender and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?
<RG> As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP header.
GIM>> I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in IP/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packets. Other encapsulations are outside the  scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP, a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 address of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets are further  encapsulated with an SR header.
<RG2> The scope of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packets. We are planning to publish a new draft in MPLS WG to define a new ACH Type.
GIM2>> I think that it is helpful to explicitly state the scope of the document. What do you think?

GIM>> As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?
<RG2> Please see the reply at the top.
GIM2>> Thank you for clarifying this in your response. I'm looking forward to the updated version of the draft to clearly state that in the document.

<RG> The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test packet back to the  Session-Sender according  to the inner header.
GIM>> I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I understand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point but the SR policy brings the test packet  all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode is expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.
<RG2> Please see the reply at the top.

<RG> We can update this in the next revision.
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 (Figure 2).
<RG> We are ok to update it in the next revision.
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.
<RG> It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
GIM>> What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Session-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Session-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that is the case, there's no interworking,  interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.
<RG2> Right, the Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopback mode test. This draft is defining the procedure on how to do loopback mode.
GIM2>> I think that the draft does not define SR encapsulation, whether SR-MPLS or SRv6. Since the test packet is processed by the sender, there's no apparent need in describing how the sender manipulates the packet before transmitting or after receiving it. That is entirely implementation specific and not observable from an outside the system.

The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is expected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out the text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this model is based?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
In the same paragraph, the draft states:
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the test packet.
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?
<RG> It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We are ok to update in the next revision.
GIM>> Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?
<RG2> This is the source port Session-Sender uses.
GIM2>> I think that is implentation-specific. For example, the Session-Sender might use a special UDP port for self-addressed packets. Would you agree? That is another reason, in my opinion, that there's no value in descrbing the loopback mode in the document.
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender does not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find such a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the RFC 8762?
<RG> This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. It does not change RFC 8762.
GIM>> Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work together. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not described in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.
<RG2> So it looks like the document should be Standards-track.
GIM2>> Not at all. My point is quite clear - the loopback mode, as described in the draft, is not part of STAMP, does not change STAMP and is has no observable from the outside behavior. Thus, it must be removed from the document as not adding any value for a developer.
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to 1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite to what is required in RFC 5082 The   Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL must be set to 1 in this case.
<RG> As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 case with using TTL=1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get incorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurement.
GIM>> I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count == 1 does not allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the  encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?
<RG2> We are Ok to update in the next revision.
GIM2>> I am looking forward to reading the updated version.
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.
<RG> Please see above.
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.
<RG> Please see above.
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation described in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Section 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Session-Sender sets the value of the   Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?
<RG> Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to support this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also be not accurate? It seems that, if   authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of the measurement must be introduced.
<RG> RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes. We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is preferred to using the Entropy label   which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?
<RG> Yes, we can add following text in the next update:
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward
packets on specific ECMP paths.  For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets
and Session-Reflector test packets
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is
not the intended destination node in the "Destination Node Address"
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which address would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?
<RG> As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],  the Destination Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.
GIM>> Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to the Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the reflected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?
<RG2> This is addressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].  We are adding following in the next update:
“The Security Considerations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]
are also equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.”
GIM2>> I couldn't find the lack of the Destination Address TLV in the Session-Sender test packet discussed in the Security Conciderations section of  ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm. Section 3 of that draft that defines the TLV notes that it is optional. And that raises a valid question, if the Destination Address TLV is not present, how the Session-Reflector can verify that it is indeed the intended destination of the STAMP test packet?
Thanks,
Rakesh

We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.
Thanks,
Rakesh
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed at a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issues that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.
Regards,
Greg Mirsky
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Dear WG:
The IPPM WG has adopted   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00  as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and  therefore   we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st 2021.
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Many thanks for your review comments. Please see rep=
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<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
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ve/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Rakesh,<br>
thank you for your consideration. Please find my follow-up notes in-lined u=
nder the GIM2&gt;&gt; tag.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
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Date: 2021/06/21 12:44<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/=
archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
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Hi Greg,<br>
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.<br>
Please see replies inline with &lt;RG2&gt;=A1=AD<br>
From: gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 10:57 PM<br>
To: Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
Cc: jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;, spring@ietf.org =
&lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&=
gt;<br>
Subject: Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/a=
rchive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
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r>
Hi Rakesh,<br>
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line=
 tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
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Hi Greg,<br>
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.<br>
Please see replies inline with &lt;RG&gt;=A1=AD<br>
From: spring &lt;spring-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of gregory.mirsky@zt=
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Date: Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:19 AM<br>
To: jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;<br>
Cc: spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spr=
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f.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
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Dear Authors, et al.,<br>
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comment=
s from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with i=
t being on the Informational track.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Many thanks.<br>
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.=
<br>
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv=
4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you se=
e IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are th=
e addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP=
.&nbsp; The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 heade=
r depending on SR-MPLS&nbsp; Policy or SRv6 Policy&nbsp;
 being measured.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the=
 draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Sess=
ion-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsu=
lation with SRH? Any reason why not simply&nbsp;
 add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; When using the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SR=
H is added to bring the test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Sessi=
on-Sender. In loopback mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring&nbsp; =
the test packet back from the Session-Reflector
 to the Session-Sender. The bottom IPv6 header is not required when using S=
IDs of both forward + reverse paths in SRH.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Thank you for the clarification. If I understand it correctly,=
 in the loopback mode the STAMP Session-Reflector function is not involved =
in processing the STAMP test packet. If that is the case, what is the value=
 of including the description of the loopback
 mode in the draft?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">&lt;RG3&gt; This is si=
milar to BFD in loopback mode as defined in draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-ech=
o-02.txt, where the remote side does not support BFD protocol for example, =
and simply loops back the packet. It is also
 a Standards-track document.<br>
</span><br>
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 t=
o Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will =
be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of th=
e field to simplify demultiplexing&nbsp;&nbsp;
 STAMP test sessions.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revisi=
on.<br>
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:<br>
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6<br>
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test<br>
packets in a network.<br>
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/=
 might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:<br>
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any<br>
packet that has a destination address on network 127.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you, looking forward to the next version.<br>
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. =
Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in wh=
at case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including I=
Pv4, the section should document&nbsp;&nbsp;
 the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packe=
ts for links.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; However, we could add text to state<br>
=A1=B0SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for tr=
ansmitting the test packets for links.=A1=B1<br>
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Se=
nder and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP hea=
der.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/=
UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in I=
P/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packe=
ts. Other encapsulations are outside the&nbsp;
 scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP,=
 a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.<br>
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 add=
ress of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets =
are further&nbsp; encapsulated with an SR header.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; The scope of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packe=
ts. We are planning to publish a new draft in MPLS WG to define a new ACH T=
ype.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that it is helpful to explicitly state the scope of th=
e document. What do you think?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">&lt;RG3&gt; Ok to add.=
<br>
</span><br>
GIM&gt;&gt; As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add =
the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?<br>
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?<=
br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Please see the reply at the top.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Thank you for clarifying this in your response. I'm looking fo=
rward to the updated version of the draft to clearly state that in the docu=
ment.<br>
<br>
&lt;RG&gt; The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header=
 is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. =
The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test pa=
cket back to the&nbsp; Session-Sender according&nbsp;
 to the inner header.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I und=
erstand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session=
-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point bu=
t the SR policy brings the test packet&nbsp;
 all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode i=
s expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Please see the reply at the top.<br>
<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We can update this in the next revision.<br>
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 =
(Figure 2).<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.<b=
r>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.<br>
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Sessi=
on-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Ses=
sion-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that=
 is the case, there's no interworking,&nbsp;
 interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Right, the Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopba=
ck mode test. This draft is defining the procedure on how to do loopback mo=
de.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that the draft does not define SR encapsulation, wheth=
er SR-MPLS or SRv6. Since the test packet is processed by the sender, there=
's no apparent need in describing how the sender manipulates the packet bef=
ore transmitting or after receiving it.
 That is entirely implementation specific and not observable from an outsid=
e the system.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">&lt;RG3&gt; Please see=
 reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft:
</span><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.tx=
t, which is a standards-track document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is e=
xpected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out th=
e text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this =
model is based?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
In the same paragraph, the draft states:<br>
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the =
test packet.<br>
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We=
 are ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port =
allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; This is the source port Session-Sender uses.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that is implentation-specific. For example, the Sessio=
n-Sender might use a special UDP port for self-addressed packets. Would you=
 agree? That is another reason, in my opinion, that there's no value in des=
crbing the loopback mode in the document.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">&lt;RG3&gt; Following =
text is added in the revised draft, which should cover the case.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">=A1=B0The STAMP Sessio=
n-Sender sets the Destination UDP port to the UDP port it uses to receive t=
he reply STAMP test packets.=A1=B1<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender do=
es not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find su=
ch a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the =
RFC 8762?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. I=
t does not change RFC 8762.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document=
 how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work togeth=
er. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not des=
cribed in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; So it looks like the document should be Standards-track.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Not at all. My point is quite clear - the loopback mode, as de=
scribed in the draft, is not part of STAMP, does not change STAMP and is ha=
s no observable from the outside behavior. Thus, it must be removed from th=
e document as not adding any value for
 a developer.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">&lt;RG3&gt; Please see=
 reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft:
</span><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.tx=
t, which is a standards-track document.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For=
 example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to =
1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite t=
o what is required in RFC 5082 The&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL mu=
st be set to 1 in this case.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 c=
ase with using TTL=3D1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get i=
ncorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurem=
ent.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from =
rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count =3D=3D 1 does not =
allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector=
 for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the&nbsp;
 encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; We are Ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I am looking forward to reading the updated version.<br>
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation describ=
ed in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Se=
ction 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Sess=
ion-Sender sets the value of the&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the=
 packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender=
 can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any=
 confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.<br>
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to sup=
port this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss =
measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also b=
e not accurate? It seems that, if&nbsp;&nbsp;
 authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of =
the measurement must be introduced.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes.=
 We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.<br>
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance=
 metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step=
 with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is pr=
eferred to using the Entropy label&nbsp;&nbsp;
 which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Yes, we can add following text in the next update:<br>
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward<br>
packets on specific ECMP paths.&nbsp; For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of<br>
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets<b=
r>
and Session-Reflector test packets<br>
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding<br>
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.<br>
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:<br>
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is<br=
>
not the intended destination node in the &quot;Destination Node Address&quo=
t;<br>
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].<br>
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which a=
ddress would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],&nbsp; the Desti=
nation Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to t=
he Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the re=
flected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; This is addressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf=
-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].&nbsp; We are adding following in the next update:<br>
=A1=B0The Security Considerations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]<b=
r>
are also equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.=A1=
=B1<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I couldn't find the lack of the Destination Address TLV in the=
 Session-Sender test packet discussed in the Security Conciderations sectio=
n of&nbsp; ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm. Section 3 of that draft that defines the T=
LV notes that it is optional. And that raises
 a valid question, if the Destination Address TLV is not present, how the S=
ession-Reflector can verify that it is indeed the intended destination of t=
he STAMP test packet?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#0070C0">&lt;RG3&gt; Ok to make=
 the Destination TLV a MUST.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
<br>
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed a=
t a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issu=
es that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.<br>
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
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Hi Rakesh,
I'm top-posting to share my understanding of why draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo is on the Standards track. As you've noted, draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo describes the use of BFD Echo between a BFD system and a system that might not support BFD. But RFC 5880 excludes such use cases by requiring that a BFD Echo be transmitted only after the BFD session is in the Upstate. In other words, BFD peers must bring the session by exchanging BFD control messages to the Upstate, and only after that, any system can transmit a BFD Echo packet. draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo will update RFC 5880 in that, and that is why, as I understand it, the draft is on the Standards Track, not because it defines behavior entirely internal for the sender of a BFD Echo. As I have pointed, this draft is not updating STAMP, and the loopback mode is not affecting the Session-Reflector. I don't see that including the description of one of the possible implementations in the document adds value as ther
 e is no interoperability to be defined.

Regards,
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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments. Please see replies inline with <RG3>…
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for your consideration. Please find my follow-up notes in-lined under the GIM2>> tag.
Regards,
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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG2>…
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line tagged GIM>>.
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Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG>…
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Dear Authors, et al.,
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comments from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with it being on the Informational track.
<RG> Many thanks.
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you see IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?
<RG> Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are the addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP.  The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 header depending on SR-MPLS  Policy or SRv6 Policy   being measured.
GIM>> Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Session-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsulation with SRH? Any reason why not simply   add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?
<RG2> When using the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SRH is added to bring the test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Session-Sender. In loopback mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring  the test packet back from the Session-Reflector  to the Session-Sender. The bottom IPv6 header is not required when using SIDs of both forward + reverse paths in SRH.
GIM2>> Thank you for the clarification. If I understand it correctly, in the loopback mode the STAMP Session-Reflector function is not involved in processing the STAMP test packet. If that is the case, what is the value of including the description of the loopback  mode in the draft?
<RG3> This is similar to BFD in loopback mode as defined in draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, where the remote side does not support BFD protocol for example, and simply loops back the packet. It is also  a Standards-track document.
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 to Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of the field to simplify demultiplexing    STAMP test sessions.
<RG> Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revision.
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test
packets in a network.
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/ might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any
packet that has a destination address on network 127.
<RG> Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.
GIM>> Thank you, looking forward to the next version.
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in what case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including IPv4, the section should document    the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.
<RG> It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packets for links.
<RG> However, we could add text to state
“SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for transmitting the test packets for links.”
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Sender and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?
<RG> As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP header.
GIM>> I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in IP/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packets. Other encapsulations are outside the   scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP, a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 address of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets are further  encapsulated with an SR header.
<RG2> The scope of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packets. We are planning to publish a new draft in MPLS WG to define a new ACH Type.
GIM2>> I think that it is helpful to explicitly state the scope of the document. What do you think?
<RG3> Ok to add.
GIM>> As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?
<RG2> Please see the reply at the top.
GIM2>> Thank you for clarifying this in your response. I'm looking forward to the updated version of the draft to clearly state that in the document.
<RG> The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test packet back to the  Session-Sender according   to the inner header.
GIM>> I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I understand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point but the SR policy brings the test packet   all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode is expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.
<RG2> Please see the reply at the top.
<RG> We can update this in the next revision.
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 (Figure 2).
<RG> We are ok to update it in the next revision.
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.
<RG> It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
GIM>> What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Session-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Session-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that is the case, there's no interworking,   interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.
<RG2> Right, the Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopback mode test. This draft is defining the procedure on how to do loopback mode.
GIM2>> I think that the draft does not define SR encapsulation, whether SR-MPLS or SRv6. Since the test packet is processed by the sender, there's no apparent need in describing how the sender manipulates the packet before transmitting or after receiving it.  That is entirely implementation specific and not observable from an outside the system.
<RG3> Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.

The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is expected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out the text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this model is based?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
In the same paragraph, the draft states:
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the test packet.
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?
<RG> It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We are ok to update in the next revision.
GIM>> Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?
<RG2> This is the source port Session-Sender uses.
GIM2>> I think that is implentation-specific. For example, the Session-Sender might use a special UDP port for self-addressed packets. Would you agree? That is another reason, in my opinion, that there's no value in descrbing the loopback mode in the document.
<RG3> Following text is added in the revised draft, which should cover the case.
“The STAMP Session-Sender sets the Destination UDP port to the UDP port it uses to receive the reply STAMP test packets.”

The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender does not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find such a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the RFC 8762?
<RG> This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. It does not change RFC 8762.
GIM>> Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work together. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not described in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.
<RG2> So it looks like the document should be Standards-track.
GIM2>> Not at all. My point is quite clear - the loopback mode, as described in the draft, is not part of STAMP, does not change STAMP and is has no observable from the outside behavior. Thus, it must be removed from the document as not adding any value for  a developer.
<RG3> Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.

I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to 1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite to what is required in RFC 5082 The    Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL must be set to 1 in this case.
<RG> As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 case with using TTL=1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get incorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurement.
GIM>> I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count == 1 does not allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the   encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?
<RG2> We are Ok to update in the next revision.
GIM2>> I am looking forward to reading the updated version.
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.
<RG> Please see above.
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.
<RG> Please see above.
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation described in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Section 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Session-Sender sets the value of the    Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?
<RG> Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to support this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also be not accurate? It seems that, if    authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of the measurement must be introduced.
<RG> RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes. We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is preferred to using the Entropy label    which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?
<RG> Yes, we can add following text in the next update:
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward
packets on specific ECMP paths.  For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets
and Session-Reflector test packets
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is
not the intended destination node in the "Destination Node Address"
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which address would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?
<RG> As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],  the Destination Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.
GIM>> Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to the Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the reflected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?
<RG2> This is addressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].  We are adding following in the next update:
“The Security Considerations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]
are also equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.”
GIM2>> I couldn't find the lack of the Destination Address TLV in the Session-Sender test packet discussed in the Security Conciderations section of  ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm. Section 3 of that draft that defines the TLV notes that it is optional. And that raises  a valid question, if the Destination Address TLV is not present, how the Session-Reflector can verify that it is indeed the intended destination of the STAMP test packet?
<RG3> Ok to make the Destination TLV a MUST.
Thanks,
Rakesh

Thanks,
Rakesh
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.
Thanks,
Rakesh
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed at a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issues that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.
Regards,
Greg Mirsky
Sr. Standardization Expert
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部     Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R&D Institute/Wireline Product Operation Division
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Dear WG:
The IPPM WG has adopted    https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00  as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and  therefore    we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st 2021.
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Hi Greg,<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">In loopback mode, e=
ither it is STAMP (as in this draft) or BFD (as in
</span><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">), the reflector simply loops the test=
 packet back in forwarding and does not participate in test. In both cases,=
 I hope you agree that the loopback
 mode is useful as it removes the dependency on the reflector.&nbsp; <o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The loopback mode d=
oes require specification on the sender, e.g. how the test packet is encaps=
ulated in SR, test packet is transmitted as well as how the received test p=
acket is processed. The metrics are
 computed differently than the one-way or two-way modes, etc. &nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">The loopback mode d=
oes belong to the same specification where all measurement modes are descri=
bed, to fully understand the behaviours of the sender and reflector in each=
 mode. For example, it can also help
 an operator make an informed decision on which mode to enable in the netwo=
rk after reading the standard.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Thanks,<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Rakesh<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">gregory.mirsky@ztet=
x.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:34 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org =
&lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;, jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurew=
ei.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archi=
ve/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Rakesh,<br>
I'm top-posting to share my understanding of why draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliate=
d-echo is on the Standards track. As you've noted, draft-ietf-bfd-unaffilia=
ted-echo describes the use of BFD Echo between a BFD system and a system th=
at might not support BFD. But RFC
 5880 excludes such use cases by requiring that a BFD Echo be transmitted o=
nly after the BFD session is in the Upstate. In other words, BFD peers must=
 bring the session by exchanging BFD control messages to the Upstate, and o=
nly after that, any system can transmit
 a BFD Echo packet. draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo will update RFC 5880 i=
n that, and that is why, as I understand it, the draft is on the Standards =
Track, not because it defines behavior entirely internal for the sender of =
a BFD Echo. As I have pointed, this
 draft is not updating STAMP, and the loopback mode is not affecting the Se=
ssion-Reflector. I don't see that including the description of one of the p=
ossible implementations in the document adds value as ther<br>
&nbsp;e is no interoperability to be defined.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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 Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R&amp;D Institute/Wireline Pro=
duct Operation Division<br>
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To: gregory mirsky10211915;<br>
CC: spring@ietf.org;spring-chairs@ietf.org;jguichar@futurewei.com;<br>
Date: 2021/06/23 15:59<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/=
archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
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<br>
Hi Greg,<br>
Many thanks for your review comments. Please see replies inline with &lt;RG=
3&gt;=A1=AD<br>
From: gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM<br>
To: Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
Cc: spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spr=
ing-chairs@ietf.org&gt;, jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&=
gt;<br>
Subject: Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/a=
rchive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
r>
Hi Rakesh,<br>
thank you for your consideration. Please find my follow-up notes in-lined u=
nder the GIM2&gt;&gt; tag.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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f">=D4=A4</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&q=
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S" style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">=B2=BF</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;
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------------------Original Mail------------------<br>
Sender: RakeshGandhi(rgandhi)<br>
To: gregory mirsky10211915;<br>
CC: spring@ietf.org;spring-chairs@ietf.org;jguichar@futurewei.com;<br>
Date: 2021/06/21 12:44<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.iet=
f.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
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Hi Greg,<br>
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.<br>
Please see replies inline with &lt;RG2&gt;=A1=AD<br>
From: gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 10:57 PM<br>
To: Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
Cc: jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;, spring@ietf.org =
&lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&=
gt;<br>
Subject: Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf=
.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
r>
Hi Rakesh,<br>
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line=
 tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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f">=D4=A4</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&q=
uot;">=D1=D0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;PingFang=
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y:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">=D7=BC=B2=BF</span>/<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"=
font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">=D3=D0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-family:&quot;PingFang TC&quot;,sans-serif">=CF=DF</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">=D1=D0=BE=BF=D4=BA</=
span>/<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">=D3=
=D0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;PingFang TC&quot;=
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S" style=3D"font-family:&quot;MS Gothic&quot;">=B2=BF</span>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;
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Sender: RakeshGandhi(rgandhi)<br>
To: gregory mirsky10211915;jguichar@futurewei.com;<br>
CC: spring@ietf.org;spring-chairs@ietf.org;<br>
Date: 2021/06/16 12:50<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://w=
ww.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
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Hi Greg,<br>
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.<br>
Please see replies inline with &lt;RG&gt;=A1=AD<br>
From: spring &lt;spring-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of gregory.mirsky@zt=
etx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
Date: Friday, June 11, 2021 at 3:19 AM<br>
To: jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&gt;<br>
Cc: spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spr=
ing-chairs@ietf.org&gt;<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://w=
ww.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
r>
Dear Authors, et al.,<br>
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comment=
s from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with i=
t being on the Informational track.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Many thanks.<br>
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.=
<br>
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv=
4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you se=
e IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are th=
e addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP=
.&nbsp; The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 heade=
r depending on SR-MPLS&nbsp; Policy or SRv6 Policy&nbsp;&nbsp;
 being measured.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the=
 draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Sess=
ion-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsu=
lation with SRH? Any reason why not simply&nbsp;&nbsp;
 add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; When using the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SR=
H is added to bring the test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Sessi=
on-Sender. In loopback mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring&nbsp; =
the test packet back from the Session-Reflector&nbsp;
 to the Session-Sender. The bottom IPv6 header is not required when using S=
IDs of both forward + reverse paths in SRH.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Thank you for the clarification. If I understand it correctly,=
 in the loopback mode the STAMP Session-Reflector function is not involved =
in processing the STAMP test packet. If that is the case, what is the value=
 of including the description of the loopback&nbsp;
 mode in the draft?<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; This is similar to BFD in loopback mode as defined in draft-iet=
f-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, where the remote side does not support BFD =
protocol for example, and simply loops back the packet. It is also&nbsp; a =
Standards-track document.<br>
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 t=
o Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will =
be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of th=
e field to simplify demultiplexing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 STAMP test sessions.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revisi=
on.<br>
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:<br>
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6<br>
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test<br>
packets in a network.<br>
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/=
 might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:<br>
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any<br>
packet that has a destination address on network 127.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you, looking forward to the next version.<br>
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. =
Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in wh=
at case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including I=
Pv4, the section should document&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packe=
ts for links.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; However, we could add text to state<br>
=A1=B0SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for tr=
ansmitting the test packets for links.=A1=B1<br>
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Se=
nder and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP hea=
der.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/=
UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in I=
P/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packe=
ts. Other encapsulations are outside the&nbsp;&nbsp;
 scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP,=
 a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.<br>
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 add=
ress of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets =
are further&nbsp; encapsulated with an SR header.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; The scope of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packe=
ts. We are planning to publish a new draft in MPLS WG to define a new ACH T=
ype.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that it is helpful to explicitly state the scope of th=
e document. What do you think?<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Ok to add.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add =
the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?<br>
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?<=
br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Please see the reply at the top.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Thank you for clarifying this in your response. I'm looking fo=
rward to the updated version of the draft to clearly state that in the docu=
ment.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header=
 is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. =
The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test pa=
cket back to the&nbsp; Session-Sender according&nbsp;&nbsp;
 to the inner header.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I und=
erstand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session=
-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point bu=
t the SR policy brings the test packet&nbsp;&nbsp;
 all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode i=
s expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Please see the reply at the top.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We can update this in the next revision.<br>
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 =
(Figure 2).<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.<b=
r>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.<br>
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Sessi=
on-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Ses=
sion-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that=
 is the case, there's no interworking,&nbsp;&nbsp;
 interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Right, the Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopba=
ck mode test. This draft is defining the procedure on how to do loopback mo=
de.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that the draft does not define SR encapsulation, wheth=
er SR-MPLS or SRv6. Since the test packet is processed by the sender, there=
's no apparent need in describing how the sender manipulates the packet bef=
ore transmitting or after receiving it.&nbsp;
 That is entirely implementation specific and not observable from an outsid=
e the system.<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ie=
tf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.<br>
<br>
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is e=
xpected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out th=
e text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this =
model is based?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
In the same paragraph, the draft states:<br>
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the =
test packet.<br>
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We=
 are ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port =
allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; This is the source port Session-Sender uses.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that is implentation-specific. For example, the Sessio=
n-Sender might use a special UDP port for self-addressed packets. Would you=
 agree? That is another reason, in my opinion, that there's no value in des=
crbing the loopback mode in the document.<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Following text is added in the revised draft, which should cove=
r the case.<br>
=A1=B0The STAMP Session-Sender sets the Destination UDP port to the UDP por=
t it uses to receive the reply STAMP test packets.=A1=B1<br>
<br>
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender do=
es not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find su=
ch a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the =
RFC 8762?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. I=
t does not change RFC 8762.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document=
 how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work togeth=
er. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not des=
cribed in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; So it looks like the document should be Standards-track.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Not at all. My point is quite clear - the loopback mode, as de=
scribed in the draft, is not part of STAMP, does not change STAMP and is ha=
s no observable from the outside behavior. Thus, it must be removed from th=
e document as not adding any value for&nbsp;
 a developer.<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ie=
tf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.<br>
<br>
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For=
 example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to =
1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite t=
o what is required in RFC 5082 The&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL mu=
st be set to 1 in this case.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 c=
ase with using TTL=3D1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get i=
ncorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurem=
ent.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from =
rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count =3D=3D 1 does not =
allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector=
 for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the&nbsp;&nbsp;
 encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; We are Ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I am looking forward to reading the updated version.<br>
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation describ=
ed in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Se=
ction 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Sess=
ion-Sender sets the value of the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the=
 packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender=
 can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any=
 confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.<br>
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to sup=
port this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss =
measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also b=
e not accurate? It seems that, if&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of =
the measurement must be introduced.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes.=
 We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.<br>
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance=
 metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step=
 with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is pr=
eferred to using the Entropy label&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Yes, we can add following text in the next update:<br>
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward<br>
packets on specific ECMP paths.&nbsp; For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of<br>
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets<b=
r>
and Session-Reflector test packets<br>
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding<br>
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.<br>
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:<br>
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is<br=
>
not the intended destination node in the &quot;Destination Node Address&quo=
t;<br>
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].<br>
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which a=
ddress would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],&nbsp; the Desti=
nation Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to t=
he Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the re=
flected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; This is addressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf=
-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].&nbsp; We are adding following in the next update:<br>
=A1=B0The Security Considerations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]<b=
r>
are also equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.=A1=
=B1<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I couldn't find the lack of the Destination Address TLV in the=
 Session-Sender test packet discussed in the Security Conciderations sectio=
n of&nbsp; ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm. Section 3 of that draft that defines the T=
LV notes that it is optional. And that raises&nbsp;
 a valid question, if the Destination Address TLV is not present, how the S=
ession-Reflector can verify that it is indeed the intended destination of t=
he STAMP test packet?<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Ok to make the Destination TLV a MUST.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed a=
t a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issu=
es that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.<br>
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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Date: 2021/06/07 05:34<br>
Subject: [spring] WG Adoption Call for&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"https:/=
/www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
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Dear WG:<br>
The IPPM WG has adopted&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ie=
tf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</a>&nbs=
p; as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the =
SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG.=
 This has now happened and&nbsp; therefore&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.<=
br>
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the =
chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt">https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.tx=
t</a>, ending June 21st 2021.<br>
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG=
 adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for tha=
t support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.<b=
r>
Thanks!<br>
Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks Rakesh!

I support WG adoption.

Kind Regards

Gyan

On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 5:19 PM Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) <rgandhi@cisco.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Gyan for your review comments.
>
> We will address the comments highlighted in blue in the next revision of
> the document as per reply to Greg=E2=80=99s email.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rakesh
>
>
>
>
>
> *From: *spring <spring-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Gyan Mishra <
> hayabusagsm@gmail.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:37 PM
> *To: *James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>
> *Cc: *spring@ietf.org <spring@ietf.org>, spring-chairs@ietf.org <
> spring-chairs@ietf.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
>
>
>
> Dear Authors
>
>
>
> I support WG adoption once the document is updated fixing the critical
> substantive issues that exist in the draft as it stands today.
>
>
>
> I have worked Rakesh and authors on feedback on the draft, and as the
> draft is well written, I do appreciate that the issues mentioned in
> previous discussions being incorporated to help improve the draft.
>
>
>
> This draft was initially on Standards Track and as this draft is
> procedural only, reusing existing IPPM OAM framework to apply to SR, Greg
> Mirksy and myself requested this draft be changed to Informational.  I am
> happy to see the authors did follow our comments and recommendations to
> change to informational.
>
>
>
> However, for this informational track document to be adopted by the WG,
> the substantive issues need to be addressed.  As this draft is
> informational from a procedural standpoint if this draft was not proposed=
,
> there is nothing preventing STAMP or TWAMP to function over an SR both
> SR-MPLS or SRv6.
>
>
>
> By proposing a draft that has substantive issues related to what is being
> proposed procedurally, the question that come to mind is what is the
> purpose or benefit to even having this draft given what I stated above th=
at
> IPPM STAMP and TWAMP will work and function fine without this drafts
> existence.
>
>
>
> I think the above statement is all the more reasons that it is critical t=
o
> get this draft cleaned up prior to WG adoption.
>
>
>
>
>
> This draft PM procedures is in scope for both SR-MPLS and SRv6.
>
>
>
> This draft is trying to reuse RFC 8762 STAMP for SR, however with the
> chosen verbiage describing the mode used, it seems to be changing the way
> STAMP operates per specification.   If the goal is to use STAMP in this
> informational context defining a special procedure for SR, this draft
> cannot alter or change the inner workings of STAMP.
>
>
>
>
>
> What is the reason for setting TTL to 1 and not use TTL 255 GTSM defined
> in RFC 5082.
>
>
>
> Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
>   This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
>   however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.
>
>
>
> >From a measurement and performance metics perspective for SR-MPLS as it
> reuses the MPLS data plane the preferred method would be to use the entro=
py
> label RFC 6790, RFC 8662 for in band native data traffic than using IPv4 =
as
> once the packet is labeled the packet is label switched so using a label
> would be in band and in line with the MPLS forwarding plane.
>
>
>
> All of these questions as well as ones mentioned by Greg Mirsky should be
> addressed by the authors before this draft can be adopted.
>
>
>
> Kind Regards
>
>
>
> Gyan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM James Guichard <jguichar@futurewei.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear WG:
>
>
>
> The IPPM WG has adopted
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00
> <https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdata=
tracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00&data=3D04%7C0=
1%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d927af658a%7C0fee8ff2a=
3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3=
d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=
&sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR%2B8%3D&reserved=3D0>
> as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the
> SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt
> into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. Thi=
s
> has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the WG
> adoption of the SPRING document.
>
>
>
> Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, th=
e
> chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt,
> ending June 21st 2021.
>
>
>
> After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for
> WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for
> that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as conse=
nt.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Jim, Joel & Bruno
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> *Gyan Mishra*
>
> *Network Solutions Architect *
>
> *Email gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com <gyan.s.mishra@verizon.com>*
>
> *M 301 502-1347*
>
>
>
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<div><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Thanks=C2=A0Rakesh!</div><div dir=3D"auto"=
><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I support WG adoption.</div><div dir=3D"auto">=
<br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Kind Regards=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><=
/div><div dir=3D"auto">Gyan</div><div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 5:19 PM Rakesh Gand=
hi (rgandhi) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rgandhi@cisco.com">rgandhi@cisco.com</a>=
&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 =
0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=3D"word-wrap:break=
-word">
<div class=3D"m_1442701992468762587WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks Gyan for your review comments. <u></u><u></u>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We will address the comments <span style=3D"color:#4=
472c4">highlighted in blue</span> in the next revision of the document as p=
er reply to Greg=E2=80=99s email.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">spring &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:spring-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring-bounces@ietf.o=
rg</a>&gt; on behalf of Gyan Mishra &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:hayabusagsm@gmail=
.com" target=3D"_blank">hayabusagsm@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, June 16, 2021 at 2:37 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>James Guichard &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">jguichar@futurewei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ietf=
.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">spring@ie=
tf.org</a>&gt;, <a href=3D"mailto:spring-chairs@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank"=
>spring-chairs@ietf.org</a> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spring-chairs@ietf.org" t=
arget=3D"_blank">spring-chairs@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ie=
tf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">=
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dear Authors=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_1442701992468762587WordSecti=
on1"><div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I support WG adoption once the document is updated f=
ixing the critical substantive issues that exist in the draft as it stands =
today. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have worked Rakesh and authors on feedback on the =
draft, and as the draft is well written, I do appreciate that the issues me=
ntioned in previous discussions being incorporated to help improve the draf=
t.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft was initially on Standards Track and as t=
his draft is procedural only, reusing existing IPPM OAM framework to apply =
to SR, Greg Mirksy and myself requested this draft be changed to Informatio=
nal.=C2=A0 I am happy to see the authors
 did follow our comments and recommendations to change to informational.<u>=
</u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, for this informational track document to be=
 adopted by the WG, the substantive issues need to=C2=A0be addressed.=C2=A0=
 As this draft is informational from a procedural standpoint if this draft =
was not proposed, there is nothing preventing
 STAMP or TWAMP to function over an SR both SR-MPLS or SRv6. =C2=A0<u></u><=
u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">By proposing a draft that has substantive issues rel=
ated to what is being proposed procedurally, the question that come to mind=
 is what is the purpose or benefit to even having this draft given what I s=
tated above that IPPM STAMP and TWAMP
 will work and function fine without this drafts existence. =C2=A0<u></u><u=
></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think the above statement is all the more reasons =
that it is critical to get this draft cleaned up prior to WG adoption. =C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft PM procedures is in scope for both SR-MPL=
S and SRv6.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This draft is trying to reuse RFC 8762 STAMP for SR,=
 however with the chosen verbiage describing the mode used, it seems to be =
changing the way STAMP operates per specification. =C2=A0 If the goal is to=
 use STAMP in this informational context
 defining a special procedure for SR, this draft cannot alter or change the=
 inner workings of STAMP. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472c4">What is the reason for=
 setting TTL to 1 and not use TTL 255 GTSM defined in RFC 5082.<u></u><u></=
u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472c4"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:13.0pt;font-family:UICTFont=
TextStyleBody;color:#4472c4">Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing sta=
tement:<br>
=C2=A0=C2=A0This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<b=
r>
=C2=A0=C2=A0however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.<=
/span><span style=3D"color:#4472c4"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472c4"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></=
span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#4472c4">&gt;From a measurement=
 and performance metics perspective for SR-MPLS as it reuses the MPLS data =
plane the preferred method would be to use the entropy label RFC 6790, RFC =
8662 for in band native data traffic than
 using IPv4 as once the packet is labeled the packet is label switched so u=
sing a label would be in band and in line with the MPLS forwarding plane.<u=
></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">All of these questions as well as ones mentioned by =
Greg Mirsky should be addressed by the authors before this draft can be ado=
pted.<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Kind Regards=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" style=
=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_1442701992468762587WordSection1">=
<div></div></div></div><div lang=3D"EN-CA" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" s=
tyle=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><div class=3D"m_1442701992468762587WordSectio=
n1">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Gyan<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 8:34 AM James Guichard &lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jguichar@futurewei.com" target=3D"_blank">jguichar@futurewe=
i.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0c=
m 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dear WG:<u></u><u></u></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">The IPPM WG has adopted
</span><a href=3D"https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhtt=
ps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-0=
0&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjguichar%40futurewei.com%7C68a7e8999c0e4d09f3fa08d92=
7af658a%7C0fee8ff2a3b240189c753a1d5591fedc%7C1%7C0%7C637584456542518360%7CU=
nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLC=
JXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=3DG3aKv%2FCnBQskcEVz4GCGVK2tdCrzBldv3yBiUXkYR=
%2B8%3D&amp;reserved=3D0" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/do=
c/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00</a>
 as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16<sup>th</sup> 20=
20), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt
<span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandh=
i-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/archive/=
id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a> into the WG until its companio=
n document was accepted by the IPPM WG.
 This has now happened and therefore we feel it is now time to revisit the =
WG adoption of the SPRING document.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Due to the lapse of several mon=
ths since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start anot=
her 2-week WG adoption call for
<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-0=
6.txt" target=3D"_blank">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a>, =
ending June 21<sup>st</sup> 2021.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">After review of the SPRING document please indicate =
support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide c=
omments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof)
 as silence will not be considered as consent.<span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><=
u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks!<u></u><u></u></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Jim, Joel &amp; Bruno<u></u><u>=
</u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for sharing your thoughts on the loopback mode. Please find my notes in-lined in your last mail under GIM>> tags.

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Hi Greg,
In loopback mode, either it is STAMP (as in this draft) or BFD (as in draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo), the reflector simply loops the test packet back in forwarding and does not participate in test. In both cases, I hope you agree that the loopback  mode is useful as it removes the dependency on the reflector.
GIM>> Of course, I agree. The self-addressed test probe is a well-known OAM tool, and IETF has published several documents that apply that principle in different environments. However, I don't believe that the loopback in SR needs more coverage than already in draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam. Note that that document has a detailed explanation of the loopback mode and the right level of abstraction.
The loopback mode does require specification on the sender, e.g. how the test packet is encapsulated in SR, test packet is transmitted as well as how the received test packet is processed. The metrics are  computed differently than the one-way or two-way modes, etc.
GIM>> Is the SR encapsulation of a self-addressed test probe any different from, in principle, from encapsulating a packet in SR? I think it is not. Add an SRH or a label stack designed to reach the intended destination. It doesn't make any difference if the destination is the sender or any arbitrary SR node. Hence, anyone familiar with SR is expected to understand how to encapsulate a test probe to get it to come back to the sender. Besides, how metrics are calculated is better to be left to the implementor. I'd argue that the packet delay can be measured more accurately, especially in the SRv6 environment, if T1 is recorded by the sender locally as the test packet being transmitted. Thus an implementation can exclude variable delay caused by recalculating IP checksum after T1 is copied into the test packet.
The loopback mode does belong to the same specification where all measurement modes are described, to fully understand the behaviours of the sender and reflector in each mode. For example, it can also help  an operator make an informed decision on which mode to enable in the network after reading the standard.
GIM>> We have different views on the value of that. However, I believe in the following principle: "A document is ready not when there's nothing left to add to it but when there's nothing left to remove from it without it losing informational value."
Thanks,
Rakesh
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Hi Rakesh,
I'm top-posting to share my understanding of why draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo is on the Standards track. As you've noted, draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo describes the use of BFD Echo between a BFD system and a system that might not support BFD. But RFC  5880 excludes such use cases by requiring that a BFD Echo be transmitted only after the BFD session is in the Upstate. In other words, BFD peers must bring the session by exchanging BFD control messages to the Upstate, and only after that, any system can transmit  a BFD Echo packet. draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo will update RFC 5880 in that, and that is why, as I understand it, the draft is on the Standards Track, not because it defines behavior entirely internal for the sender of a BFD Echo. As I have pointed, this  draft is not updating STAMP, and the loopback mode is not affecting the Session-Reflector. I don't see that including the description of one of the possible implementations in the document adds value as t
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e is no interoperability to be defined.
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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments. Please see replies inline with <RG3>…
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for your consideration. Please find my follow-up notes in-lined under the GIM2>> tag.
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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG2>…
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Hi Rakesh,
thank you for responding to my comments. I've added follow-up notes in-line tagged GIM>>.
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Hi Greg,
Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.
Please see replies inline with <RG>…
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Dear Authors, et al.,
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comments from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with it being on the Informational track.
<RG> Many thanks.
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you see IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?
<RG> Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are the addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP.  The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 header depending on SR-MPLS  Policy or SRv6 Policy    being measured.
GIM>> Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Session-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsulation with SRH? Any reason why not simply    add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?
<RG2> When using the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SRH is added to bring the test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Session-Sender. In loopback mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring  the test packet back from the Session-Reflector   to the Session-Sender. The bottom IPv6 header is not required when using SIDs of both forward + reverse paths in SRH.
GIM2>> Thank you for the clarification. If I understand it correctly, in the loopback mode the STAMP Session-Reflector function is not involved in processing the STAMP test packet. If that is the case, what is the value of including the description of the loopback   mode in the draft?
<RG3> This is similar to BFD in loopback mode as defined in draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, where the remote side does not support BFD protocol for example, and simply loops back the packet. It is also  a Standards-track document.
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 to Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of the field to simplify demultiplexing     STAMP test sessions.
<RG> Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revision.
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test
packets in a network.
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/ might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any
packet that has a destination address on network 127.
<RG> Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.
GIM>> Thank you, looking forward to the next version.
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in what case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including IPv4, the section should document     the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.
<RG> It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packets for links.
<RG> However, we could add text to state
“SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for transmitting the test packets for links.”
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Sender and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?
<RG> As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP header.
GIM>> I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in IP/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packets. Other encapsulations are outside the    scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP, a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 address of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets are further  encapsulated with an SR header.
<RG2> The scope of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packets. We are planning to publish a new draft in MPLS WG to define a new ACH Type.
GIM2>> I think that it is helpful to explicitly state the scope of the document. What do you think?
<RG3> Ok to add.
GIM>> As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?
<RG2> Please see the reply at the top.
GIM2>> Thank you for clarifying this in your response. I'm looking forward to the updated version of the draft to clearly state that in the document.
<RG> The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test packet back to the  Session-Sender according    to the inner header.
GIM>> I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I understand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point but the SR policy brings the test packet    all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode is expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.
<RG2> Please see the reply at the top.
<RG> We can update this in the next revision.
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 (Figure 2).
<RG> We are ok to update it in the next revision.
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.
<RG> It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
GIM>> What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Session-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Session-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that is the case, there's no interworking,    interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.
<RG2> Right, the Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopback mode test. This draft is defining the procedure on how to do loopback mode.
GIM2>> I think that the draft does not define SR encapsulation, whether SR-MPLS or SRv6. Since the test packet is processed by the sender, there's no apparent need in describing how the sender manipulates the packet before transmitting or after receiving it.   That is entirely implementation specific and not observable from an outside the system.
<RG3> Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is expected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out the text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this model is based?
<RG> In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in Section 4.2.3.
In the same paragraph, the draft states:
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the test packet.
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?
<RG> It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We are ok to update in the next revision.
GIM>> Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?
<RG2> This is the source port Session-Sender uses.
GIM2>> I think that is implentation-specific. For example, the Session-Sender might use a special UDP port for self-addressed packets. Would you agree? That is another reason, in my opinion, that there's no value in descrbing the loopback mode in the document.
<RG3> Following text is added in the revised draft, which should cover the case.
“The STAMP Session-Sender sets the Destination UDP port to the UDP port it uses to receive the reply STAMP test packets.”
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender does not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find such a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the RFC 8762?
<RG> This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. It does not change RFC 8762.
GIM>> Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work together. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not described in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.
<RG2> So it looks like the document should be Standards-track.
GIM2>> Not at all. My point is quite clear - the loopback mode, as described in the draft, is not part of STAMP, does not change STAMP and is has no observable from the outside behavior. Thus, it must be removed from the document as not adding any value for   a developer.
<RG3> Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to 1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite to what is required in RFC 5082 The     Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL must be set to 1 in this case.
<RG> As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 case with using TTL=1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get incorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurement.
GIM>> I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count == 1 does not allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the    encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?
<RG2> We are Ok to update in the next revision.
GIM2>> I am looking forward to reading the updated version.
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.
<RG> Please see above.
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.
<RG> Please see above.
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation described in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Section 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Session-Sender sets the value of the     Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?
<RG> Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to support this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also be not accurate? It seems that, if     authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of the measurement must be introduced.
<RG> RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes. We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is preferred to using the Entropy label     which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?
<RG> Yes, we can add following text in the next update:
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward
packets on specific ECMP paths.  For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets
and Session-Reflector test packets
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is
not the intended destination node in the "Destination Node Address"
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which address would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?
<RG> As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],  the Destination Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.
GIM>> Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to the Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the reflected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?
<RG2> This is addressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].  We are adding following in the next update:
“The Security Considerations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]
are also equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.”
GIM2>> I couldn't find the lack of the Destination Address TLV in the Session-Sender test packet discussed in the Security Conciderations section of  ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm. Section 3 of that draft that defines the TLV notes that it is optional. And that raises   a valid question, if the Destination Address TLV is not present, how the Session-Reflector can verify that it is indeed the intended destination of the STAMP test packet?
<RG3> Ok to make the Destination TLV a MUST.
Thanks,
Rakesh
Thanks,
Rakesh
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.
Thanks,
Rakesh
I believe that while some questions are non-blocking and can be addressed at a later time, there is a significant number of technical substantive issues that must be resolved before the adoption of this draft.
I am looking forward to the Authors' feedback.
Regards,
Greg Mirsky
Sr. Standardization Expert
预研标准部/有线研究院/有线产品经营部      Standard Preresearch Dept./Wireline Product R&D Institute/Wireline Product Operation Division
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The IPPM WG has adopted     https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00  as a WG document. In a previous communication (December 16th 2020), the SPRING chairs decided not to adopt https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt into the WG until its companion document was accepted by the IPPM WG. This has now happened and  therefore     we feel it is now time to revisit the WG adoption of the SPRING document.
Due to the lapse of several months since the initial WG adoption call, the chairs would like to start another 2-week WG adoption call for https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt, ending June 21st 2021.
After review of the SPRING document please indicate support (or not) for WG adoption to the mailing list. Please also provide comments/reasons for that support (or lack thereof) as silence will not be considered as consent.
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thank you Greg for reviewing the document and provid=
ing your comments and suggestions.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rakesh<o:p></o:p></p>
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x.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, June 24, 2021 at 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org =
&lt;spring-chairs@ietf.org&gt;, jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurew=
ei.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for https://www.ietf.org/archi=
ve/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Rakesh,<br>
thank you for sharing your thoughts on the loopback mode. Please find my no=
tes in-lined in your last mail under GIM&gt;&gt; tags.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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Sender: RakeshGandhi(rgandhi)<br>
To: gregory mirsky10211915;<br>
CC: spring@ietf.org;spring-chairs@ietf.org;jguichar@futurewei.com;<br>
Date: 2021/06/23 19:37<br>
Subject: Re: [spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/=
archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
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Hi Greg,<br>
In loopback mode, either it is STAMP (as in this draft) or BFD (as in draft=
-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo), the reflector simply loops the test packet ba=
ck in forwarding and does not participate in test. In both cases, I hope yo=
u agree that the loopback&nbsp; mode
 is useful as it removes the dependency on the reflector.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Of course, I agree. The self-addressed t=
est probe is a well-known OAM tool, and IETF has published several document=
s that apply that principle in different environments. However, I don't bel=
ieve that the loopback in SR needs more
 coverage than already in draft-ietf-6man-spring-srv6-oam. Note that that d=
ocument has a detailed explanation of the loopback mode and the right level=
 of abstraction.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><br>
The loopback mode does require specification on the sender, e.g. how the te=
st packet is encapsulated in SR, test packet is transmitted as well as how =
the received test packet is processed. The metrics are&nbsp; computed diffe=
rently than the one-way or two-way modes,
 etc.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; Is the SR encapsulation of a self-addres=
sed test probe any different from, in principle, from encapsulating a packe=
t in SR? I think it is not. Add an SRH or a label stack designed to reach t=
he intended destination. It doesn't make
 any difference if the destination is the sender or any arbitrary SR node. =
Hence, anyone familiar with SR is expected to understand how to encapsulate=
 a test probe to get it to come back to the sender. Besides, how metrics ar=
e calculated is better to be left
 to the implementor. I'd argue that the packet delay can be measured more a=
ccurately, especially in the SRv6 environment, if T1 is recorded by the sen=
der locally as the test packet being transmitted. Thus an implementation ca=
n exclude variable delay caused
 by recalculating IP checksum after T1 is copied into the test packet.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The loopback mode does belong to the same specificat=
ion where all measurement modes are described, to fully understand the beha=
viours of the sender and reflector in each mode. For example, it can also h=
elp&nbsp; an operator make an informed
 decision on which mode to enable in the network after reading the standard=
.<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">GIM&gt;&gt; We have different views on the value of =
that. However, I believe in the following principle: &quot;A document is re=
ady not when there's nothing left to add to it but when there's nothing lef=
t to remove from it without it losing informational
 value.&quot;<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
From: gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com &lt;gregory.mirsky@ztetx.com&gt;<br>
Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 9:34 PM<br>
To: Rakesh Gandhi (rgandhi) &lt;rgandhi@cisco.com&gt;<br>
Cc: spring@ietf.org &lt;spring@ietf.org&gt;, spring-chairs@ietf.org &lt;spr=
ing-chairs@ietf.org&gt;, jguichar@futurewei.com &lt;jguichar@futurewei.com&=
gt;<br>
Subject: Re:[spring] WG Adoption Call for <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/a=
rchive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt">
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gandhi-spring-stamp-srpm-06.txt</a><b=
r>
Hi Rakesh,<br>
I'm top-posting to share my understanding of why draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliate=
d-echo is on the Standards track. As you've noted, draft-ietf-bfd-unaffilia=
ted-echo describes the use of BFD Echo between a BFD system and a system th=
at might not support BFD. But RFC&nbsp;
 5880 excludes such use cases by requiring that a BFD Echo be transmitted o=
nly after the BFD session is in the Upstate. In other words, BFD peers must=
 bring the session by exchanging BFD control messages to the Upstate, and o=
nly after that, any system can transmit&nbsp;
 a BFD Echo packet. draft-ietf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo will update RFC 5880 i=
n that, and that is why, as I understand it, the draft is on the Standards =
Track, not because it defines behavior entirely internal for the sender of =
a BFD Echo. As I have pointed, this&nbsp;
 draft is not updating STAMP, and the loopback mode is not affecting the Se=
ssion-Reflector. I don't see that including the description of one of the p=
ossible implementations in the document adds value as t<br>
&nbsp;her<br>
e is no interoperability to be defined.<br>
Regards,<br>
Greg Mirsky<br>
Sr. Standardization Expert<br>
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Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2021 at 4:57 PM<br>
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Hi Rakesh,<br>
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nder the GIM2&gt;&gt; tag.<br>
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Many thanks for your review comments and suggestions.<br>
Please see replies inline with &lt;RG2&gt;=A1=AD<br>
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Date: Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 10:57 PM<br>
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Hi Rakesh,<br>
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 tagged GIM&gt;&gt;.<br>
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Dear Authors, et al.,<br>
I've read the draft. Thank you for your thoughtful consideration of comment=
s from earlier discussions. The document is well-written and I agree with i=
t being on the Informational track.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Many thanks.<br>
I've several questions and much appreciate it if you help me to understand.=
<br>
In the example of a STAMP test packet (Figure 2) the text suggests that IPv=
4 addresses can be used as the source and destination. In which case you se=
e IPv4 address family should be used in the SR environment?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Figure 2 shows both IPv4 and IPv6 address family and they are th=
e addresses of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector as defined in STAMP=
.&nbsp; The STAMP packet is further encapsulated with an SR-MPLS/SRv6 heade=
r depending on SR-MPLS&nbsp; Policy or SRv6 Policy&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 being measured.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Can you please clarify for me SRv6 scenario. The authors of the=
 draft propose to encapsulate a STAMP packet, from a Session-Sender or Sess=
ion-Reflector, in IP/UDP and then, on top of that, add another IPv6 encapsu=
lation with SRH? Any reason why not simply&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 add the SRH to a STAMP packet encapsulated in IPv6?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; When using the SIDs of the forward path in SRH, the top IPv6/SR=
H is added to bring the test packet to the Session-Reflector from the Sessi=
on-Sender. In loopback mode, the bottom IPv6 header is used to bring&nbsp; =
the test packet back from the Session-Reflector&nbsp;&nbsp;
 to the Session-Sender. The bottom IPv6 header is not required when using S=
IDs of both forward + reverse paths in SRH.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Thank you for the clarification. If I understand it correctly,=
 in the loopback mode the STAMP Session-Reflector function is not involved =
in processing the STAMP test packet. If that is the case, what is the value=
 of including the description of the loopback&nbsp;&nbsp;
 mode in the draft?<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; This is similar to BFD in loopback mode as defined in draft-iet=
f-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, where the remote side does not support BFD =
protocol for example, and simply loops back the packet. It is also&nbsp; a =
Standards-track document.<br>
I suggest changing the reference in Figure 2 from Section 4.2 of RFC 8762 t=
o Section 3 of RFC 8972 (Figure 1). Thus the STAMP Session Identifier will =
be supported in SR environments and implementations can use the value of th=
e field to simplify demultiplexing&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 STAMP test sessions.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Thanks for the suggestion, agree to update it in the next revisi=
on.<br>
I couldn't understand the last sentence in Section 4.1.1:<br>
An IPv4 address from the range 127/8 or IPv6<br>
loopback address ::1/128 [RFC4291] must not be used to IP route test<br>
packets in a network.<br>
How this requirement (if that is the requirement, then s/must not/MUST NOT/=
 might be needed), is related to RFC 1801 that states that:<br>
A router SHOULD NOT forward, except over a loopback interface, any<br>
packet that has a destination address on network 127.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Agree to remove this sentence in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Thank you, looking forward to the next version.<br>
Also, it appears that only IP encapsulation is explained in Section 4.1.1. =
Since the draft includes in its scope both SRv6 and SR-MPLS, I wonder in wh=
at case IPv4 addressing will be used? It seems that rather than including I=
Pv4, the section should document&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 the encapsulation of a STAMP test packet over an MPLS link.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary to add SR encapsulate for sending test packe=
ts for links.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; However, we could add text to state<br>
=A1=B0SR encapsulation (e.g. adjacency SID of the link) can be added for tr=
ansmitting the test packets for links.=A1=B1<br>
Section 4.1.2 also refers to IPv4 address family being used by a Session-Se=
nder and SR Policy. What could be the use case for IPv4 in SR?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As mentioned above, RFC 8762 base STAMP packets carry IP/UDP hea=
der.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I disagree. RFC 8762 does not require STAMP test packet use IP/=
UDP encapsulation. It states that if STAMP test message is enapculated in I=
P/UDP, then it may use destination port 862 for a Session-Sender test packe=
ts. Other encapsulations are outside the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 scope of RFC 8762. If we consider MPLS, then, in addition to using IP/UDP,=
 a new ACH type can be used to carry STAMP messages.<br>
The IP address family in the base STAMP test packet can be IPv4 or IPv6 add=
ress of the Session-Sender and Session-Reflector. In SR, the STAMP packets =
are further&nbsp; encapsulated with an SR header.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; The scope of this draft is IP/UDP header based STAMP test packe=
ts. We are planning to publish a new draft in MPLS WG to define a new ACH T=
ype.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that it is helpful to explicitly state the scope of th=
e document. What do you think?<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Ok to add.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; As noted earlier, I'm interested in SRv6 scenario. Does it add =
the whole IP/UDP encapsulation or only SRH?<br>
What is the benefit of using the inner IP Header as presented in Figure 4?<=
br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Please see the reply at the top.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Thank you for clarifying this in your response. I'm looking fo=
rward to the updated version of the draft to clearly state that in the docu=
ment.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; The inner IP header is useful in loopback mode, the outer header=
 is responsible for transmitting the test packet to the Session-Reflector. =
The Session-Reflector will decap SRv6 tunnel header and forward the test pa=
cket back to the&nbsp; Session-Sender according&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 to the inner header.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I have to admit that I'm confused by your explanation. As I und=
erstand the loopback mode, a test packet is not decapsulated by the Session=
-Reflector. The Session-Reflector, I assume, acts as a segment end-point bu=
t the SR policy brings the test packet&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 all the way back to the Session-Sender. If that is how the loopback mode i=
s expected to perform, I believe that my original question stil stands.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Please see the reply at the top.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We can update this in the next revision.<br>
As for Figure 2, I propose changing the reference to Section 3 of RFC 8792 =
(Figure 2).<br>
&lt;RG&gt; We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
As for Figure 4, I have a question about the inner IP header in Figure 7.<b=
r>
&lt;RG&gt; It is not necessary. We can update in the next revision.<br>
Can you point to the definition (or provide it) of the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; What is observable by a Session-Reflector behavior when a Sessi=
on-Sender uses the loopback mode? As I understand it, there's none. The Ses=
sion-Reflector is not participating in a test in the loopback mode. If that=
 is the case, there's no interworking,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 interoperability and, as a result, nothing to document.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; Right, the Session-Reflector is not participating in the loopba=
ck mode test. This draft is defining the procedure on how to do loopback mo=
de.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that the draft does not define SR encapsulation, wheth=
er SR-MPLS or SRv6. Since the test packet is processed by the sender, there=
's no apparent need in describing how the sender manipulates the packet bef=
ore transmitting or after receiving it.&nbsp;&nbsp;
 That is entirely implementation specific and not observable from an outsid=
e the system.<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ie=
tf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.<br>
The second paragraph of Section 4.2.3 suggests that the Session-Sender is e=
xpected to receive a self-addressed STAMP test packet. Can you point out th=
e text in RFC 8762 that defines the base STAMP functionality on which this =
model is based?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; In this (informational) draft, it is defined for SR networks in =
Section 4.2.3.<br>
In the same paragraph, the draft states:<br>
The Session-Sender sets the Reflector UDP port that it uses to receive the =
test packet.<br>
Can you clarify the definition of the Reflector UDP port?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; It is destination UDP port in the Session-Sender test packet. We=
 are ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Could that be UDP port 862, as that is the one well-known port =
allocated for Session-Sender transmitted test packets?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; This is the source port Session-Sender uses.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I think that is implentation-specific. For example, the Sessio=
n-Sender might use a special UDP port for self-addressed packets. Would you=
 agree? That is another reason, in my opinion, that there's no value in des=
crbing the loopback mode in the document.<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Following text is added in the revised draft, which should cove=
r the case.<br>
=A1=B0The STAMP Session-Sender sets the Destination UDP port to the UDP por=
t it uses to receive the reply STAMP test packets.=A1=B1<br>
The third paragraph, as I understand it, assumes that the Session-Sender do=
es not use some fields to calculate performance metrics. I couldn't find su=
ch a mode is described in RFC 8762. Does this draft propose changes to the =
RFC 8762?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; This informational draft explains various delay metrics in SR. I=
t does not change RFC 8762.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Informational drafts, to the best of my understanding, document=
 how techniques defined in Standard-track RFCs can be used, can work togeth=
er. This document does introduce something that does not exists, is not des=
cribed in RFC 8762 or RFC 8962.<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; So it looks like the document should be Standards-track.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; Not at all. My point is quite clear - the loopback mode, as de=
scribed in the draft, is not part of STAMP, does not change STAMP and is ha=
s no observable from the outside behavior. Thus, it must be removed from th=
e document as not adding any value for&nbsp;&nbsp;
 a developer.<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Please see reply above for BFD in loopback mode draft: draft-ie=
tf-bfd-unaffiliated-echo-02.txt, which is a standards-track document.<br>
I've got confused by the rules listed for setting TTL in Section 4.4.1. For=
 example, according to the rule in the third paragraph, TTL must be set to =
1 for the STAMP measurement over a link. But that seems like the opposite t=
o what is required in RFC 5082 The&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Generalized TTL Security Mechanism (GTSM). I hope you can share why TTL mu=
st be set to 1 in this case.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As described in Section 4.3 of [RFC8029], for IP address 127/8 c=
ase with using TTL=3D1, it is to ensure that the test packet does not get i=
ncorrectly IP routed to more than one IP hop and provide incorrect measurem=
ent.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; I believe that the use of loopback as destination address from =
rouing IP packet. On the other hand, using TTL/Hop Count =3D=3D 1 does not =
allow for GTSM being used and, at least in theory, creates an attack vector=
 for DoS. The tunnel is a single hop for the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 encapsulated STAMP packet. Why not use GTSM?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; We are Ok to update in the next revision.<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I am looking forward to reading the updated version.<br>
The same question for the use case described in the second paragraph.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
Two previous questions are also applicable to Section 4.4.2.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Please see above.<br>
Section 5, as I understand it, suggests that all modes of operation describ=
ed in Section 4 can be used to measure packet loss. At the same time, in Se=
ction 4.2.3. Loopback Measurement Mode is noted (or required) that the Sess=
ion-Sender sets the value of the&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 Session-Sender Sequence Number field to zero. If that is the case, how the=
 packet loss is calculated in the loopback mode?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Session-Sender has the knowledge about this mode. Session-Sender=
 can set the Session-Sender Sequence Number to Sequence Number to avoid any=
 confusion. We are ok to update it in the next revision.<br>
Also, Section 5 provides a very intriguing statement:<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it does not provide accurate data packet loss metric.<br>
Do you have more information, perhaps a reference to a study or RFC, to sup=
port this statement? Following the logic of that statement, if packet loss =
measured using STAMP is not accurate, wouldn't measured packet delay also b=
e not accurate? It seems that, if&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 authors want to maintain this position, the definition of the accuracy of =
the measurement must be introduced.<br>
&lt;RG&gt; RFC 6374 has good discussions on the two loss measurement modes.=
 We are ok to update the text as follows to align with RFC 6374.<br>
This method can be used for inferred packet loss measurement,<br>
however, it provides only approximate view of the data packet loss.<br>
I feel that the suggestion to variate IPv4 address in measuring performance=
 metrics in the SR-MPLS environment is somewhat outdated and is not in step=
 with RFCs 6790 and 8662. Why choosing addresses from the 127/8 range is pr=
eferred to using the Entropy label&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 which is more likely to be used on the data traffic?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; Yes, we can add following text in the next update:<br>
Forwarding plane has various hashing functions available to forward<br>
packets on specific ECMP paths.&nbsp; For SR-MPLS Policy, sweeping of<br>
entropy label [RFC6790] values can be used in Session-Sender test packets<b=
r>
and Session-Reflector test packets<br>
to take advantage of the hashing function in forwarding<br>
plane to influence the ECMP path taken by them.<br>
I have another question on the last sentence of Section 8:<br>
The STAMP Session-Reflector must not transmit reply test packet if it is<br=
>
not the intended destination node in the &quot;Destination Node Address&quo=
t;<br>
TLV [I-D.gandhi-ippm-stamp-srpm].<br>
How does this requirement work in the case of a P2MP SR policy? And which a=
ddress would be used in the Destination Node Address TLV in that case?<br>
&lt;RG&gt; As specified in [draft-ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm-00],&nbsp; the Desti=
nation Node Address TLV is applicable to P2P SR Policy.<br>
GIM&gt;&gt; Does that mean that any SR node can send STAMP test packet to t=
he Session-Reflector without the Destination Address TLV and receive the re=
flected packet? Wouldn't that be a major security concern?<br>
&lt;RG2&gt; This is addressed in Section 5, Security Section of [draft-ietf=
-ippm-stamp-srpm-00].&nbsp; We are adding following in the next update:<br>
=A1=B0The Security Considerations specified in [I-D.ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm]<b=
r>
are also equally applicable to the procedures defined in this document.=A1=
=B1<br>
GIM2&gt;&gt; I couldn't find the lack of the Destination Address TLV in the=
 Session-Sender test packet discussed in the Security Conciderations sectio=
n of&nbsp; ietf-ippm-stamp-srpm. Section 3 of that draft that defines the T=
LV notes that it is optional. And that raises&nbsp;&nbsp;
 a valid question, if the Destination Address TLV is not present, how the S=
ession-Reflector can verify that it is indeed the intended destination of t=
he STAMP test packet?<br>
&lt;RG3&gt; Ok to make the Destination TLV a MUST.<br>
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Rakesh<br>
Thanks,<br>
Rakesh<br>
We can add the sentence in this draft as well in the next update.<br>
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Reviewer: Mike McBride
Review result: Has Nits

Reviewer: Mike McBride
Review result: Ready with nits

I have been selected to do a routing directorate early review of this draft
which has passed SPRING WG Last Call (copied to SFC WG) , but would benefit
from a larger review.

Document: draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr
Review Date: 28 June 2021
Intended Status: Standards Track

Summary:

A couple of nits found but otherwise this document is ready to proceed to the
IESG.

Comments:

The document is well written. Aside from the following recommended changes its
good to go.

There are a couple of long semi-awkward sentences. They still make sense but,
for readability, it would help to reword them. And there are a couple of
recommended grammar related changes.

1. The 3rd paragraph, in the Abstract, says:

"The integration described in this document demonstrates that NSH and
SR can work jointly and complement each other leaving the network
operator with the flexibility to use whichever transport technology
makes sense in specific areas of their network infrastructure, and
still maintain an end-to-end service plane using NSH."

I would recommend rewording this to:

"This integration demonstrates that NSH and SR can work
cooperatively with each other and provide the network
operator with the flexibility to use whichever transport technology
makes sense in specific areas of their network infrastructure while
still maintaining an end-to-end service plane using NSH."

2. In the section 1.1. SFC Overview and Rationale I would recommend changing
this:

"Particularly, cascading SFs at the so-called Third Generation
Partnership Project (3GPP) Gi interface (N6 interface in 5G
architecture) in the context of mobile network infrastructure, have
shown their limitations, such as the same redundant classification
features must be supported by many SFs to execute their function,
some SFs receive traffic that they are not supposed to process (e.g.,
TCP proxies receiving UDP traffic), which inevitably affects their
dimensioning and performance, an increased design complexity related
to the properly ordered invocation of several SFs, etc."

to this:

"For instance, cascading SFs at the 3GPP (Third Generation
Partnership Project) Gi interface (N6 interface in 5G
architecture) has shown limitations such as 1) redundant classification
features must be supported by many SFs to execute their function,
2) some SFs receive traffic that they are not supposed to process (e.g.,
TCP proxies receiving UDP traffic) which inevitably affects their
dimensioning and performance, 3) an increased design complexity related
to the properly ordered invocation of several SFs."

3. Need a comma after "problems":

"In order to solve those problems and to decouple the services
topology from the underlying physical network while allowing for
simplified service delivery, Service Function Chaining (SFC)
techniques have been introduced [RFC7665]."

4. Probably can scratch the "Indeed" and just start with "SFC...":

"Indeed, SFC allows to dynamically create service
planes that can be used by specific traffic flows"




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Subject: [spring] A question about draft-ietf-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-07
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Hi all,
I have a couple of questions regarding the information in Section 9 of dra=
ft-ietf-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-07<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/h=
tml/draft-ietf-rtgwg-segment-routing-ti-lfa-07#section-9>.
This section (called "Measurements on real networks") describes protection=
 coverage levels achieved in several networks by using repair lists with 0=
, 1, 2 and 3 SIDs in the repair path.

Q1: Can you please confirm that the repair paths with 0, 1, 2 and 3 SIDs m=
entioned in Section 9 computed using the methods described in Section 4.1,=
 4.2, 4.3 and 4.4 respectively of the draft? The draft does not say that e=
xplicitly, but neither is any other computation method mentioned in the dr=
aft.

Q2: Assuming the positive answer to Q1 above, can you please clarify which=
 "tradeoff between scaling and accuracy of the optimization" mentioned in =
Section 4.5 of the draft has been selected? Specifically, whether Q-space =
used for computation of repair paths with 1, 2 and 3 SIDs has been compute=
d per affected destination, per failed link (as suggested in RFC 7490) or =
in some other way?

>From my POV, without clear answers to Q1 and Q2 above it is quite difficul=
t to interpret the data in Section 9. E.g., if the excellent coverage in T=
ables 2A/2B and 3A/3B has been achieved using per-destination computation =
of Q-space, the practical value of these results is. IMHO and FWIW, somewh=
at problematic, especially for such networks as T1 and T2.; if these resul=
ts have been achieved using per link computation of Q-space, the practical=
 value of these results is very high.

Your timely feedback will be highly appreciated.

Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,
Sasha

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I have a couple of questions regarding the informat=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This section (called &#8220;Measurements on real ne=
tworks&#8221;) describes protection coverage levels achieved in several ne=
tworks by using repair lists with 0, 1, 2 and 3 SIDs in the repair path.<o=
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<b>Q1</b>: Can you please confirm that the repair paths with 0, 1, 2 and 3=
 SIDs mentioned in Section 9 computed using the methods described in Secti=
on 4.1, 4.2, 4.3 and 4.4 respectively of
 the draft? The draft does not say that explicitly, but neither is any oth=
er computation method mentioned in the draft.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Q2</b>: Assuming the positive answer to <b>Q1</b=
> above, can you please clarify which &#8220;<i>tradeoff between scaling a=
nd accuracy of the optimization</i>&#8221; mentioned in Section 4.5 of the=
 draft has been selected? Specifically, whether Q-space
 used for computation of repair paths with 1, 2 and 3 SIDs has been comput=
ed per affected destination, per failed link (as suggested in RFC 7490) or=
 in some other way?
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">From my POV, without clear answers to Q1 and Q2 abo=
ve it is quite difficult to interpret the data in Section 9. E.g., if the =
excellent coverage in Tables 2A/2B and 3A/3B has been achieved using
<i>per-destination computation of Q-space</i>, the practical value of thes=
e results is. IMHO and FWIW, somewhat problematic, especially for such net=
works as T1 and T2.; if these results have been achieved using
<i>per link computation of Q-space</i>, the practical value of these resul=
ts is very high.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Your timely feedback will be highly appreciated.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Regards, and lots of thanks in advance,<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sasha<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Office: +972-39266302<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; +972-549266302<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Email:&nbsp;&nbsp; Alexander.Vainshtein@rbbn.com<o:=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Source Packet Routing in Networking WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Integration of Network Service Header (NSH) and Segment Routing for Service Function Chaining (SFC)
        Authors         : James N Guichard
                          Jeff Tantsura
	Filename        : draft-ietf-spring-nsh-sr-08.txt
	Pages           : 17
	Date            : 2021-06-29

Abstract:
   This document describes the integration of Network Service Header
   (NSH) and Segment Routing (SR), as well as encapsulation details, to
   support Service Function Chaining (SFC) in an efficient manner while
   maintaining separation of the service and transport planes as
   originally intended by the SFC architecture.

   Combining these technologies allows SR to be used for steering
   packets between Service Function Forwarders (SFF) along a given
   Service Function Path (SFP) while NSH has the responsibility for
   maintaining the integrity of the service plane, the SFC instance
   context, and any associated metadata.

   This integration demonstrates that NSH and SR can work cooperatively
   and provide the network operator with the flexibility to use
   whichever transport technology makes sense in specific areas of their
   network infrastructure while still maintaining an end-to-end service
   plane using NSH.


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Hi All,

As per the draft

"When the BGP route received at an ingress PE is colored with an extended c=
olor community and is being steered over a valid SRv6

Policy associated with SID list <S1, S2, S3> as described in Section 8 of [=
I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/htm=
l/draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07#ref-I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-poli=
cy>], then the

effective SR Policy is <S1, S2, S3-Service-SID>"



Here also "ingress PE SHOULD perform resolvability check for the S3 Service=
 SID before considering the received prefix for the BGP best path computati=
on"



Lets consider s3 service SID resolution over SRv6 TE Policy, destination ad=
dress(or endpoint) of an SRv6 TE Policy is a 128 bit address(host address).=
So for each service SID we need to configure SRv6 TE Policy (SRV6 TE policy=
 destination address as service SID) ?





Thanks

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">Hi All,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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urier New&quot;"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Co=
urier New&quot;">As per the draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre>&#8220;When the BGP route received at an ingress PE is colored with an=
 extended color community and is being steered over a valid SRv6<o:p></o:p>=
</pre>
<pre>Policy associated with SID list &lt;S1, S2, S3&gt; as described in Sec=
tion 8 of [<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-bess=
-srv6-services-07#ref-I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy">I-D.ietf-spri=
ng-segment-routing-policy</a>], then the<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>effective SR Policy is &lt;S1, S2, <b><span style=3D"color:red">S3-Ser=
vice-SID</span></b>&gt;&#8221;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Here also &#8220;ingress PE SHOULD perform resolvability check for the=
 S3 Service SID before considering the received prefix for the BGP best pat=
h computation&#8221;<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Lets consider s3 service SID resolution over <b><span style=3D"color:r=
ed">SRv6 TE Policy</span></b>, destination address(or endpoint) of an SRv6 =
TE Policy is a 128 bit address(host address).So for each service SID we nee=
d to configure SRv6 TE Policy (SRV6 TE policy destination address as servic=
e SID) ?<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre>
<pre>Thanks<o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>Rajesh<o:p></o:p></pre>
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Hi Rajesh,

Per https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing=
-policy-13#section-8.4 the endpoint of the SR Policy is matched with the BG=
P nexthop.

Thanks,
Ketan

From: Rajesh M <mrajesh@juniper.net>
Sent: 01 July 2021 07:58
To: gdawra.ietf@gmail.com; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) <cfilsfil@cisco.com=
>; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) <ketant@cisco.com>; robert@raszuk.net; bruno.d=
ecraene@orange.com; jorge.rabadan@nokia.com
Cc: spring@ietf.org
Subject: SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07)

Hi All,

As per the draft

"When the BGP route received at an ingress PE is colored with an extended c=
olor community and is being steered over a valid SRv6

Policy associated with SID list <S1, S2, S3> as described in Section 8 of [=
I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy<https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/htm=
l/draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07#ref-I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-poli=
cy>], then the

effective SR Policy is <S1, S2, S3-Service-SID>"



Here also "ingress PE SHOULD perform resolvability check for the S3 Service=
 SID before considering the received prefix for the BGP best path computati=
on"



Lets consider s3 service SID resolution over SRv6 TE Policy, destination ad=
dress(or endpoint) of an SRv6 TE Policy is a 128 bit address(host address).=
So for each service SID we need to configure SRv6 TE Policy (SRV6 TE policy=
 destination address as service SID) ?





Thanks

Rajesh















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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbs=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Per <a hr=
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ng-policy-13#section-8.4">
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-spring-segment-routing-pol=
icy-13#section-8.4</a> the endpoint of the SR Policy is matched with the BG=
P nexthop.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks,<o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Ketan<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> Rajesh M &lt;mrajesh@juniper.net&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 July 2021 07:58<br>
<b>To:</b> gdawra.ietf@gmail.com; Clarence Filsfils (cfilsfil) &lt;cfilsfil=
@cisco.com&gt;; Ketan Talaulikar (ketant) &lt;ketant@cisco.com&gt;; robert@=
raszuk.net; bruno.decraene@orange.com; jorge.rabadan@nokia.com<br>
<b>Cc:</b> spring@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> SRv6 BGP based Overlay Services (draft-ietf-bess-srv6-servi=
ces-07)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Courier New&quot;">As per the draft<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">&#8220;When the BGP route received at an ingress =
PE is colored with an extended color community and is being steered over a =
valid SRv6<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Policy associated with SID list &lt;S1, S2, S3&gt=
; as described in Section 8 of [<a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc=
/html/draft-ietf-bess-srv6-services-07#ref-I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-=
policy">I-D.ietf-spring-segment-routing-policy</a>], then the<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">effective SR Policy is &lt;S1, S2, <b><span style=
=3D"color:red">S3-Service-SID</span></b>&gt;&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Here also &#8220;ingress PE SHOULD perform resolv=
ability check for the S3 Service SID before considering the received prefix=
 for the BGP best path computation&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Lets consider s3 service SID resolution over <b><=
span style=3D"color:red">SRv6 TE Policy</span></b>, destination address(or =
endpoint) of an SRv6 TE Policy is a 128 bit address(host address).So for ea=
ch service SID we need to configure SRv6 TE Policy (SRV6 TE policy destinat=
ion address as service SID) ?<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Rajesh<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
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