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SERVICE-SCALE - A general requirement for service scale.

Note to team: When reviewing service scale requirements I found the absolut=
e number to run counter to the compression intent.  I think a better altern=
ative is to specify the requirement as below, leaving the absolute scale su=
pported by a proposal to the analysis phase.

Description: A proposal SHOULD support larger number (hundreds of thousands=
) and smaller number (thousands) of services locally instantiated with rela=
tively better compression for smaller service scale.

Rationale: Service scale can be directly related to SID length.  More servi=
ces instantiated locally at a node requires more bits to encode the SID.  T=
he maximum scale supported by a proposal can directly impact its ability to=
 compress SR information.

Metric: A proposal that meets this requirement will support a large or smal=
l number of services with relatively better compression when fewer services=
 are addressable.

Darren


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Note to team: When reviewing service scale requirements I found the absolut=
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Hi Group,

I've uploaded the excel file as following link:

https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents

 

Today's minutes draft as follows. Let me know your comments.

 

Srcomp meeting

2020-09-02 13:00 UTC

 

Status: draft

 

Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]

- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present] 

- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]

- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]

 

====topic1=====

Reviewed the new items and categories

=== Topic2=====

Reviewed the document from Darren and Chongfeng

====Actions====

1.       Ron will update the REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-01
according to the discussion

2.       Ron will provide a item related tunable capability

3.       Darren and Chongfeng will upload the brainstorm document to git
link.

4.       Darren and Chongfeng will add a column in the excel file and label
the category defined in the brainstorm document. How to use the category
will be discussed further.  

 

 

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng


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class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Hi =
Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>I&#8217;ve uploaded the excel file as following =
link:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><a =
href=3D"https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents">https://github.com/IETF=
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lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Today&#8217;s minutes draft as follows. Let me know your =
comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Srcomp meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>2020-09-02 13:00 =
UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
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lang=3DEN-US>Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile =
[present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>- Ron =
Bonica of Juniper [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>- Darren Dukes of Cisco =
[present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and =
[present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US>- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US>- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom =
[present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Reviewed the new items and =
categories<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>=3D=3D=3D Topic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Reviewed the document from Darren =
and Chongfeng<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US>Ron will update the =
REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-01 according to the =
discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:18.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=3DEN-US><span =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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item related tunable capability<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=3DEN-US>Darren and Chongfeng =
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ADDING-TOP: 8px"><div><b>From:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:chengweiqiang@ch=
inamobile.com" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">Weiqiang=
 Cheng</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2020-09-02&nbsp;23:22</div><div><b>=
To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org" style=3D"color: blue; text=
-decoration: underline;">srcomp@ietf.org</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b>&nbs=
p;[Srcomp] 2020-09-02 Minutes for DT meeting--draft</div></div></div><div>=
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t-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi=
 Group,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0=
cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,=
 sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the excel file as=
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in: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family:=
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IETF-srcomp/documents" style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline;">=
https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; fon=
t-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sa=
ns-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Today=E2=80=99s minutes draft as follows. =
Let me know your comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" sty=
le=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; fo=
nt-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-=
size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Srco=
mp meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin:=
 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><=
span lang=3D"EN-US">2020-09-02 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"=
MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-f=
amily: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size=
: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Status: =
draft<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span =
lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=
=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Attendees:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-=
family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Cheng Weiqiang of Chi=
na Mobile [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=
=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, san=
s-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultan=
cy [present] <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"marg=
in: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size=
: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Darren=
 Dukes of Cisco [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" s=
tyle=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri,=
 sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]<o:p></o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPl=
ainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family=
: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [pr=
esent]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin: 0cm=
 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US">- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align=
: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ma=
rgin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0c=
m 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Reviewed the new items and categories<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001p=
t; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-seri=
f;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=3D=3D=3D Topic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: =
justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=
=3D"EN-US">Reviewed the document from Darren and Chongfeng<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align=
: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US">=3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-indent: 21pt=
; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><!--[if !supportList=
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"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"EN-US">Ron will updat=
e the REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-01 according to the discussion<o=
:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm=
 0.0001pt; text-indent: 21pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-=
serif;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"mso-l=
ist:Ignore">2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span l=
ang=3D"EN-US">Ron will provide a item related tunable capability<o:p></o:p=
></span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001p=
t; text-indent: 21pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">=
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re">3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">Darren and Chongfeng will upload the brainstorm document to git link=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; text-indent: 21pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sa=
ns-serif;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span lang=3D"EN-US"><span style=3D"ms=
o-list:Ignore">4.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">Darren and Chongfeng will add a column in the excel file =
and label the category defined in the brainstorm document. How to use the =
category will be discussed further.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; fon=
t-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o=
:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sa=
ns-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:=
p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; tex=
t-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US">B.R.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; text-align: justify; font-size: 10.5pt; font=
-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Weiqiang Cheng<o:p></o=
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Hi,

> I am on holiday this week, so I can not join the meeting tomorrow.
Thanks for letting us know!
Sander


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Subject: [Srcomp] Question Regarding REQ-7-29-Explicit-SID-Length
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Pengshaofu,

In  Regarding REQ-7-29-Explicit-SID-Length, You say:

"The compression mechanism must provide explicit information of the length =
of the compressed SID in the IPv6 packet".

Does this mean that the packet must include a field that indicates the SID =
length?

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Chongfeng,

In REQ-8-13-SID-DETECTED-00, you say:

"In the compression, the SIDs inserted by the customer or other  third-part=
y is visible and can be easily detected by operators."

Does this mean that it must be possible to identify the node that inserted =
each SID in the SR path, possibly by IPv6 source address?

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">In REQ-8-13-SID-DET=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Does this mean that=
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Short Name:  Segment Locator Diversity

Description: The compression mechanism must not rely upon any of the follow=
ing:

  *   A particular addressing plan
  *   A particular relationship among locators within an SR path
  *   A particular relationship among IPv6 addresses within an SR path

Rational:


  *   Network operators will deploy the compression mechanism in brownfield=
 networks. A brownfield network is likely to have an existing addressing pl=
an. Furthermore, it is likely to have configured its routing and security i=
nfrastructure to conform to the addressing plan. Therefore, it would be dif=
ficult for the network operator to change its addressing plan to accommodat=
e compression mechanism requirements
  *   In the future, network operators will merge networks that deploy the =
compression mechanism. Each network is likely to have a unique addressing p=
lan. It may be difficult to change addressing plans before the merge to acc=
ommodate compression mechanism requirements



Metrics: The compression mechanism must be able to support an SR path where=
:


  *   Each locator is drawn from a unique /4. Locators can be part of GUA (=
2000::/3) or ULA (fc00::/7) space
  *   Each IPv6 address is drawn from a unique /4. IPv6 addresses can be pa=
rt of GUA (2000::/3) or ULA (fc00::/7) space
  *   Some locators are drawn from GUA space while others are drawn from UL=
A space
  *   Some IPv6 addresses are drawn from GUA space while others are drawn f=
rom ULA space
  *   Each locator has a unique length. For example, some locators are /48s=
 while others are /56s.




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Short Name:&nbsp; S=
egment Locator Diversity<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Description: The co=
mpression mechanism must not rely upon any of the following:<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;mso-list:l3 level=
1 lfo3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">A particular addressing plan<o:p><=
/o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;=
mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">A particular rela=
tionship among locators within an SR path<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=
=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.75in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3"><=
span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">A particular relationship among IPv6 addres=
ses within an SR path<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Rational: <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Network operators will deploy the co=
mpression mechanism in brownfield networks. A brownfield network is likely =
to have an existing addressing plan. Furthermore,
 it is likely to have configured its routing and security infrastructure to=
 conform to the addressing plan. Therefore, it would be difficult for the n=
etwork operator to change its addressing plan to accommodate compression me=
chanism requirements<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" s=
tyle=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:1=
2.0pt">In the future, network operators will merge networks that deploy the=
 compression mechanism. Each network is likely to have a unique addressing =
plan.
 It may be difficult to change addressing plans before the merge to accommo=
date compression mechanism requirements<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Metrics: The compre=
ssion mechanism must be able to support an SR path where:<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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span></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Each locator is drawn from a unique =
/4. Locators can be part of GUA (2000::/3) or ULA (fc00::/7) space<o:p></o:=
p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-l=
ist:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Each IPv6 address is d=
rawn from a unique /4. IPv6 addresses can be part of GUA (2000::/3) or ULA =
(fc00::/7) space<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=
=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0p=
t">Some locators are drawn from GUA space while others are drawn from ULA s=
pace<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-l=
eft:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Some IPv6=
 addresses are drawn from GUA space while others are drawn from ULA space<o=
:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0i=
n;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo6"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt">Each locator ha=
s a unique length. For example, some locators are /48s while others are /56=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Short Name: Compression Levels

Description: The compression mechanism must be configurable to support at l=
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Rationale: The compression mechanism will be deployed in small networks (<6=
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Metrics: The compression mechanism must be configurable that determines the=
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Description: The compression mechanism must support point-to-multipoint SR =
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Rational: Many VPN services require point-to-multipoint SR paths.

Metrics:



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Hi=EF=BC=8CWeiqiang and Sander,

I am on holiday this week, so I can not join the meeting tomorrow.

Best regards

Chonfeng=20

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From: Weiqiang Cheng <mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com>=20

Date: 2020-09-02 23:22

To: srcomp@ietf.org

Subject: [Srcomp] 2020-09-02 Minutes for DT meeting--draft

Hi Group,

I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the excel file as following link:

https://github.com/IETF-srcomp/documents

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Today=E2=80=99s minutes draft as follows. Let me know your comments.

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Srcomp meeting

2020-09-02 13:00 UTC

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Status: draft

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Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]

- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present]=20

- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]

- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]

- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]

- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present]

- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]

- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]

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=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Reviewed the new items and categories

=3D=3D=3D Topic2=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

Reviewed the document from Darren and Chongfeng

=3D=3D=3D=3DActions=3D=3D=3D=3D

1.       Ron will update the REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-01 =
according to the discussion

2.       Ron will provide a item related tunable capability

3.       Darren and Chongfeng will upload the brainstorm document to git =
link.

4.       Darren and Chongfeng will add a column in the excel file and =
label the category defined in the brainstorm document. How to use the =
category will be discussed further. =20

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B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng


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lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> Re: [Srcomp] 2020-09-02 =
Minutes for DT meeting--draft<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p =
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UI","sans-serif";color:black'>=EF=BC=8C<span lang=3DEN-US>Weiqiang and =
Sander,</span></span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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UI","sans-serif";color:black'>I am on holiday this week, so I can not =
join the meeting tomorrow.</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
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UI","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com">Weiqiang =
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ate:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
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nbsp;2020-09-02&nbsp;23:22<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
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o:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
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nbsp;<a =
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</div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'background:#EFEFEF'><b><span =
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ubject:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>&=
nbsp;[Srcomp] 2020-09-02 Minutes for DT =
meeting--draft<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><p =
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>I=E2=80=99ve uploaded the excel file as following =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Today=E2=80=99s minutes draft as follows. Let me know your =
comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
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lang=3DEN-US =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
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lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Status: draft<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span =
lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present] =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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style=3D'font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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>- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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>- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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>- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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>=3D=3D=3D=3Dtopic1=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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>1.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman","serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Ron will update the REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-01 according to =
the discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>2.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman","serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Ron will provide a item related tunable =
capability<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>3.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman","serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Darren and Chongfeng will upload the brainstorm document to git =
link.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:21.0pt'><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>4.</span><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times =
New Roman","serif";color:black'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'=
>Darren and Chongfeng will add a column in the excel file and label the =
category defined in the brainstorm document. How to use the category =
will be discussed further.&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
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Hi Team,

Here is the draft for the minutes:

Srcomp meeting
2020-09-09 13:00 UTC
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Status: draft
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Attendees:
- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]
- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present]
- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]
- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]
- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]
- Peng Shaofu of ZTE and [present]
- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]
- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [absent: on holiday]


# Introduction of REQ-09-08-Compression-Levels-00

ACTION: Darren and Ron will merge their requirements
- REQ-9-1-LINKNODE-SCALE-00
- REQ-09-08-Compression-Levels-00


# Update on REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-02

Move this requirement to operational
The team needs to spend some more time reading the requirement text


# Introduction of REQ-09-08-Point-to-Multipoint-00

Discussion over level op requirement (proposal MUST specify how an =
operator MAY do this)
Discussion whether compression mechanisms MUST have feature parity with =
SR-MPLS and SRv6
Note: this requirement does not require the proposal to design a =
multicast system, it just requires the proposal to not prevent multicast =
in the future
Ron suggested to merge this requirement into =
REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY, but this was postponed for now =
until we have all the requirements


# Continuing

Weiqiang Cheng will compose the structure of the initial draft of the =
final text
All team members will look at their requirements to see if there is =
overlap with other requirements, and contact the other authors to see if =
requirements can be merged
We will work on closing (getting consensus) on the easiest and high =
priority requirements so that we can give an initial draft to the SPRING =
WG and do incremental updates.


Cheers,
Sander


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Folks,

The following requirements are very similar:


  *   Req-07-027-spring-framework
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-4291-compliance
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-8200-compliance
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-8402-compliance
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-8754-compliance
  *   Req-07-27-arch-01 (the part that references RFCs)

The could be replaced with the following:

Short name: RFC compliance

Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com=
mon Practice RFCs.

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi=
lity.

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track or Best Common Pr=
actice RFCs.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The could be replaced with the following:<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Short name: RFC compliance<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Description: The solution must comply with all Stand=
ards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar=
ds causes network fragility.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards =
Track or Best Common Practice RFCs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Category: Functional<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Darren,

Could you provide a more specific metric for REQ-8-26-SUMM? What is measure=
d where?

                                                        Ron


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Folks,

I think that REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-01 Can be decomposed into:


  *   REQ-7-27-SR-PATH-LENGTH-02
  *   REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-FUNCTION-DIVERSITY-01
  *   REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-02

Given this, is REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-01 redundant?

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   This document specifies requirements for solutions to compressing=0A=
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   1.  Introduction  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   3=0A=
   2.  Conventions used in this document . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4=0A=
     2.1.  Terminology . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4=0A=
     2.2.  Keywords  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4=0A=
   3.  Requirements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   4=0A=
     3.1.  Efficiency or performance requirements  . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
       3.1.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.1.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.1.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.1.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
     3.2.  Migration Requirements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
       3.2.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.2.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.2.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.2.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
     3.3.  Functional requirements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
       3.3.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.3.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.3.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   5=0A=
         3.3.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
     3.4.  Operational requirements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
       3.4.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.4.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.4.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.4.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
     3.5.  Scalability requirements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
       3.5.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.5.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.5.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.5.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
     3.6.  Convergence requirements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
       3.6.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.6.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   6=0A=
         3.6.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
         3.6.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
     3.7.  Security Requirements . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
       3.7.1.  new subsection  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
         3.7.1.1.  Description . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
         3.7.1.2.  Rationale . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
         3.7.1.3.  Metric  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
   4.  IANA Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
   5.  Security Considerations . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
   6.  Contributors  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   7=0A=
   7.  Acknowledgements  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8=0A=
   8.  Normative References  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   8=0A=
   Authors' Addresses  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .   9=0A=
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   SR can be directly applied to the Multiprotocol Label Switching=0A=
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   a stack of labels.  The segment to process is on the top of the=0A=
   stack.  The relatedlabel is popped from the stack, after the=0A=
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   SR can be applied to the IPv6 architecture with a new type of routing=0A=
   header called the SR Header (SRH)[RFC8754].  An instruction is=0A=
   associated with a segment and encoded as an IPv6 address.  An SRv6=0A=
   segment is also called an SRv6 SID.  An SR Policy is instantiated as=0A=
   an ordered list of SRv6 SIDs in the routing header.  The active=0A=
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   pointer in the SRH.  When an SRv6 SID is completed, the SL is=0A=
   decremented and the next segment is copied to the DA.  When a packet=0A=
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   each segment is represented as a 128 bit IPv6 address.  With the size=0A=
   of the SRH overhead increases, the forwarding performance and packet=0A=
   forwarding efficiency are mainly affected.=0A=
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   This document is the answer to that question.=0A=
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   SID: Segment Identifier=0A=
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   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and=0A=
   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP=0A=
   14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all=0A=
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      rbonica@juniper.net=0A=
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      Darren Dukes=0A=
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      ddukes@cisco.com=0A=
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      Cheng Li=0A=
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      Huawei=0A=
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      c.l@huawei.com=0A=
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      Peng Shaofu=0A=
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      ZTE=0A=
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      peng.shaofu@zte.com.cn=0A=
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      Wim Henderickx=0A=
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      Nokia=0A=
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      wim.henderickx@nokia.com=0A=
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      Chongfeng Xie=0A=
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      China Telecom=0A=
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      xiechf@chinatelecom.cn=0A=
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7.  Acknowledgements=0A=
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8.  Normative References=0A=
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   [I-D.ietf-6man-segment-routing-header]=0A=
              Filsfils, C., Dukes, D., Previdi, S., Leddy, J.,=0A=
              Matsushima, S., and D. Voyer, "IPv6 Segment Routing Header=0A=
              (SRH)", draft-ietf-6man-segment-routing-header-26 (work in=0A=
              progress), October 2019.=0A=
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              Filsfils, C., Camarillo, P., Leddy, J., Voyer, D.,=0A=
              Matsushima, S., and Z. Li, "SRv6 Network Programming",=0A=
              draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-programming-18 (work in=0A=
              progress), August 2020.=0A=
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   [RFC2119]  Bradner, S., "Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate=0A=
              Requirement Levels", BCP 14, RFC 2119,=0A=
              DOI 10.17487/RFC2119, March 1997,=0A=
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc2119>.=0A=
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   [RFC7510]  Xu, X., Sheth, N., Yong, L., Callon, R., and D. Black,=0A=
              "Encapsulating MPLS in UDP", RFC 7510,=0A=
              DOI 10.17487/RFC7510, April 2015,=0A=
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc7510>.=0A=
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   [RFC8174]  Leiba, B., "Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC=0A=
              2119 Key Words", BCP 14, RFC 8174, DOI 10.17487/RFC8174,=0A=
              May 2017, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8174>.=0A=
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   [RFC8402]  Filsfils, C., Ed., Previdi, S., Ed., Ginsberg, L.,=0A=
              Decraene, B., Litkowski, S., and R. Shakir, "Segment=0A=
              Routing Architecture", RFC 8402, DOI 10.17487/RFC8402,=0A=
              July 2018, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8402>.=0A=
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   [RFC8660]  Bashandy, A., Ed., Filsfils, C., Ed., Previdi, S.,=0A=
              Decraene, B., Litkowski, S., and R. Shakir, "Segment=0A=
              Routing with the MPLS Data Plane", RFC 8660,=0A=
              DOI 10.17487/RFC8660, December 2019,=0A=
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8660>.=0A=
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   [RFC8663]  Xu, X., Bryant, S., Farrel, A., Hassan, S., Henderickx,=0A=
              W., and Z. Li, "MPLS Segment Routing over IP", RFC 8663,=0A=
              DOI 10.17487/RFC8663, December 2019,=0A=
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8663>.=0A=
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   [RFC8754]  Filsfils, C., Ed., Dukes, D., Ed., Previdi, S., Leddy, J.,=0A=
              Matsushima, S., and D. Voyer, "IPv6 Segment Routing Header=0A=
              (SRH)", RFC 8754, DOI 10.17487/RFC8754, March 2020,=0A=
              <https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8754>.=0A=
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Short name: RFC compliance

Description: The solution must comply with or UPDATE all Standards Track an=
d Best Common Practice RFCs (e.g., RFCs 4291, 8200, 8402, 8574).

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi=
lity.

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track or Best Common Pr=
actice RFCs. If the solution UPDATEs an existing RFC, the impact of the UPD=
ATE should be minor.

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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:33 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Similar Requirements

Folks,

The following requirements are very similar:


  *   Req-07-027-spring-framework
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-4291-compliance
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-8200-compliance
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-8402-compliance
  *   Req-08-03-rfc-8754-compliance
  *   Req-07-27-arch-01 (the part that references RFCs)

The could be replaced with the following:

Short name: RFC compliance

Description: The solution must comply with all Standards Track and Best Com=
mon Practice RFCs.

Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standards causes network fragi=
lity.

Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards Track or Best Common Pr=
actice RFCs.

Category: Functional




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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Description: The solution must comply with or UPDATE=
 all Standards Track and Best Common Practice RFCs (e.g., RFCs 4291, 8200, =
8402, 8574).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards =
Track or Best Common Practice RFCs. If the solution UPDATEs an existing RFC=
, the impact of the UPDATE should be minor.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Category: Functional<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Ron Bonica <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Similar Requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The could be replaced with the following:<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Short name: RFC compliance<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Description: The solution must comply with all Stand=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rationale: Non-compliance with existing IETF standar=
ds causes network fragility.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Metric: The solution must not violate any Standards =
Track or Best Common Practice RFCs.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Category: Functional<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Team,

Here is the draft for the minutes:

Srcomp meeting
2020-09-16 13:00 UTC

Status: draft

Attendees:
- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]
- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present]
- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]
- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]
- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]
- Peng Shaofu of ZTE [present]
- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]
- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]


# Merge similar requirments

Merge the following requirements into an single "RFC compliance"
requirement:
- Req-07-027-spring-framework
- Req-08-03-rfc-4291-compliance
- Req-08-03-rfc-8200-compliance
- Req-08-03-rfc-8402-compliance
- Req-08-03-rfc-8754-compliance
- Req-07-27-arch-01 (the part that references RFCs)

Sander requested that the new requirement keeps the list of RFCs that we
already know we have to look at, to make analysis easier. This will be a
"including, but not limited to" list.

"The solution must comply with or update all standards track or BCP
RFCs, for example RFC4891, RFC8200, RFC8402 and RFC8752. If a solution
updates an RFC the impact should be minor (bugfix) and not change
something fundamental.".


# REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-01

This requirements is already covered by:
- REQ-7-27-SR-PATH-LENGTH-02
- REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-FUNCTION-DIVERSITY-01
- REQ-08-19-SEGMENT-LOCATOR-DIVERSITY-02

REQ-7-28-SR-PATH-CONTENTS-01 has now been removed.


# Discuss the proposed structure for the draft

Call time spent on improving the wording. Weiqiang Cheng will continue
to incorporate the suggestions made.


Cheers,
Sander


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Subject: Re: [Srcomp] SRCOMP DT Meeting
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Hi,

Unfortunately I cannot make it to this meeting. I have urgent business
at my main customer.

My apologies
Sander


Op 22-09-2020 om 10:19 schreef Weiqiang Cheng:
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Hi Team,
Sorry for sending you the draft late, due to business trip.
I organized the draft as following structure as the discussion last week. L=
et=E2=80=99s have more discussion today.
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The requirements are listed in three super categories:
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   o  Requirements Specific To Compression
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   o  Requirements Specific to any SR instantiation for IPv6
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o  Requirements Common to any Protocol Design
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In each super category, the requirements are described under several sub-ca=
tegories including
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   o  Operational requirements
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   o  Functional requirements
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   o  Scalability requirements
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   o  Efficiency and performance
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   o  Convergence requirements
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   o  Migration requirements
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   o  Security requirements
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In order to easy understand the requirements, for each requirement,the desc=
ription, rationale and metric of it are described.
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B.R.
Weiqiang Cheng

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Best Regards,
Weiqiang

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<div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Hi Team,</span></div><div><span style=
=3D"font-size: 16px;">Sorry for sending you the draft late, due to business=
 trip.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">I organized the dr=
aft as following structure as the discussion last week. Let=E2=80=99s have =
more discussion today.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&n=
bsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">The requirements are=
 listed in three super categories:</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-siz=
e: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &=
nbsp;o&nbsp; Requirements Specific To Compression</span></div><div><span st=
yle=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: =
16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Requirements Specific to any SR instantiation f=
or IPv6</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">o&nbsp; Requirements Common to any =
Protocol Design</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</s=
pan></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">In each super category, the=
 requirements are described under several sub-categories including</span></=
div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Operational requirements</span=
></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><span =
style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Functional requirements</sp=
an></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Scalability requirements<=
/span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><div><=
span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Efficiency and perform=
ance</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></div><=
div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Convergence requi=
rements</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></di=
v><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Migration requ=
irements</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp; &nbsp;o&nbsp; Security requ=
irements</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</span></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">In order to easy understand the re=
quirements, for each requirement,the description, rationale and metric of i=
t are described.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">&nbsp;</=
span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size: 16px;">B.R.</span></div><div><spa=
n style=3D"font-size: 16px;">Weiqiang Cheng</span></div><br>---------<br>Be=
st Regards,<br><div>Weiqiang</div>
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Hi Team,



Here is the draft for the minutes:



Srcomp meeting

2020-09-23 13:00 UTC



Status: draft



Attendees:

- Cheng Weiqiang

- Ron Bonica

- Darren Dukes

- Cheng Li

- Wim Henderickx





Presented

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By Cheng Weiqiang: A draft of the requirements document, including all curr=
ently proposed requirements



Resolved

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  *   That the design team will complete the Requirements Document by Novem=
ber 4, 2020
  *   That the design team chairs will inform the SPRING WG chairs of the c=
ompletion date
  *   That the SPRING WG chairs will determine when the DT will present the=
 Requirements Document to the WG
  *   That the WG will meet twice weekly, on Mondays and Wednesdays 13:00 U=
TC
  *   That the WG will discuss each section of the Requirements Document, a=
s described in the schedule, below
  *   That WG members will prepare for each meeting by sending there commen=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Here is the draft for the minutes:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Srcomp meeting<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">2020-09-23 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Status: draft<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Attendees:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Cheng Weiqiang<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Ron Bonica <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Darren Dukes <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Cheng Li <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Wim Henderickx<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Presented<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">By Cheng Weiqiang: A draft of the requirements do=
cument, including all currently proposed requirements<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Resolved<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:-15.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1">That the design team will complete the Requirements Document by Novem=
ber 4, 2020<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-left:=
-15.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">That the design team chairs will inform th=
e SPRING WG chairs of the completion date<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoPl=
ainText" style=3D"margin-left:-15.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">That the SPR=
ING WG chairs will determine when the DT will present the Requirements Docu=
ment to the WG<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"margin-le=
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Mondays and Wednesdays 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoPlainText" =
style=3D"margin-left:-15.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">That the WG will disc=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Schedule<o:p></o:p></p>
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By Cheng Weiqiang: A draft of the requirements document, including all curr=
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Resolved

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 That the design team will complete the Requirements Document by November 4=
, 2020That the design team chairs will inform the SPRING WG chairs of the c=
ompletion dateThat the SPRING WG chairs will determine when the DT will pre=
sent the Requirements Document to the WGThat the WG will meet twice weekly,=
 on Mondays and Wednesdays 13:00 UTCThat the WG will discuss each section o=
f the Requirements Document, as described in the schedule, belowThat WG mem=
bers will prepare for each meeting by sending there comments, in writing, b=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=C2=A0</p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Here is the =
draft for the minutes:</p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=C2=A0</p> <p class=3D=
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xt">Attendees:</p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Cheng Weiqiang</p> <p class=
=3D"MsoPlainText">- Ron Bonica </p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Darren Duke=
s </p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- Cheng Li </p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=
- Wim Henderickx</p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">=C2=A0</p> <p class=3D"MsoPl=
ainText">=C2=A0</p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Presented</p> <p class=3D"Mso=
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> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">By Cheng Weiqiang: A draft of the requirements =
document, including all currently proposed requirements</p> <p class=3D"Mso=
PlainText">=C2=A0</p> <p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Resolved</p> <p class=3D"Ms=
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 <li class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"">That the design team will complete t=
he Requirements Document by November 4, 2020</li><li class=3D"MsoPlainText"=
 style=3D"">That the design team chairs will inform the SPRING WG chairs of=
 the completion date</li><li class=3D"MsoPlainText" style=3D"">That the SPR=
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eet twice weekly, on Mondays and Wednesdays 13:00 UTC</li><li class=3D"MsoP=
lainText" style=3D"">That the WG will discuss each section of the Requireme=
nts Document, as described in the schedule, below</li><li class=3D"MsoPlain=
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Folks,

The following is a better statement Rationale:


  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC's ability to proc=
ess packets at high data rates

The following is a better statement of the metric:

Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.

In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:


  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)
  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.

So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:


  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The following is a better statement Rationale:<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2">Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth<o:p></o:p></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo2">Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC&#8217;s ability=
 to process packets at high data rates<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The following is a better statement of the metric:<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and re=
corded in a table. &nbsp;The table will contain one column for each candida=
te compression mechanism and one row for each of 12 use-cases.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In each use-case, the encapsulation header represent=
s an SR path. In the first use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In e=
ach subsequent use-case, the number of segments increases by one. In all us=
e-cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
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ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.<o:p></o:p></li><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:<o:p></o:p><=
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:.25in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Folks,

The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:


  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.

D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC's it is extremely inexpensive o=
n others. Retaining this metric doesn't optimize the solution for operators=
. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can't parse additional e=
xtension headers efficiently.

D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.

Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer's. The network operator doesn't care how man=
y headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:


  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs

Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY a=
re invalid. Currently, the metrics are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1">D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" st=
yle=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">D.LKU(segment list): worst-=
case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p=
></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header=
 is expensive on all ASICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC&#8217;s =
it is extremely inexpensive on others. Retaining this metric doesn&#8217;t =
optimize the solution for operators. It merely
 creates an advantage for the ASIC that can&#8217;t parse additional extens=
ion headers efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how m=
any lookups a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fac=
t that the FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermor=
e, it fails to make a distinction
 between longest match lookups and index lookups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Finally, this requirement should be stated from the =
network operators perspective, not the ASIC developer&#8217;s. The network =
operator doesn&#8217;t care how many headers were parsed or how many lookup=
s were execute. It cares about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
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ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">=
How much power the ASIC consumes<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagra=
ph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">How much heat the ASI=
C generates<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-l=
eft:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">How much the ASIC costs<o:p></o:p></li></u=
l>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Unless we can develop better metric for this require=
ment, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Folks,

The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.

The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.

Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The description and the rationale are identical. Lac=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirem=
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Darren,

Yes! If we fix the metric in REQ-7-27-Compress, As described in my previous=
 email, we can remove REQ-08-19-ENCODING-PROPORTIONALITY.

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Subject: [Srcomp] REQ-7-27-COMPRESS and duplicates

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I do not believe REQ-08-19-ENCODING-PROPORTIONALITY-01 is needed:

REQ-7-27-Compress measures the compression of a proposal and allows for a c=
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Hi Ron,

We do need to update the rationale, and I think you have proposed a good ca=
ndidate. One question, do we need to emphasize ASIC? How about NP hardware?

Regarding the Metric, please see my reply inline.

Respect,
Cheng



From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
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Folks,

The following is a better statement Rationale:

-          Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
-          Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC's ability to=
 process packets at high data rates

The following is a better statement of the metric:

Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.

[Cheng] I have done an analysis already, and I can share it to the design t=
eam when we are ready to discuss the analysis.

In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:

-          All instructions except for the last instruction are topological=
 instructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
[Cheng] Agree, but should we consider SFC? Service SIDs may be included in =
the middle of the SID list.

-          The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT=
4)

-          Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.
[Cheng] The solution should have the ability to support SIDs with different=
 Locators of ULA or GUA, but switch the Locator one-by-one seems not reason=
able in practice.

Can you list a use case of switching the Locator per-SID? Normally, the SID=
s will share a common prefix in an SRv6 domain, right?

So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:

-          Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
-          Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
-          Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
-          Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
-          Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4

                                                                           =
                                   Ron






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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Ron,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We do need to update t=
he rationale, and I think you have proposed a good candidate. One question,=
 do we need to emphasize ASIC? How about NP hardware?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding the Metric, =
please see my reply inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org]=
 <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ron Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The following is a better statement Rationale:<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandw=
idth<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC=
&#8217;s ability to process packets at high data rates<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The following is a better statement of the metric:<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and re=
corded in a table. &nbsp;The table will contain one column for each candida=
te compression mechanism and one row for each of 12 use-cases.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Cheng] I have done an=
 analysis already, and I can share it to the design team when we are ready =
to discuss the analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In each use-case, the encapsulation header represent=
s an SR path. In the first use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In e=
ach subsequent use-case, the number of segments increases by one. In all us=
e-cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>All instructions except for the last instruction ar=
e topological instructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing=
.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Cheng] Agree, but sho=
uld we consider SFC? Service SIDs may be included in the middle of the SID =
list.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><span style=3D"mso-list:=
Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span></span><![endif]>The final instruction is a VPN service instr=
uction (e.g., END-DT4)<span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Cheng] The solution s=
hould have the ability to support SIDs with different Locators of ULA or GU=
A, but switch the Locator one-by-one seems not reasonable in practice.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Can you list a use cas=
e of switching the Locator per-SID? Normally, the SIDs will share a common =
prefix in an SRv6 domain, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">
<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span></span><![endif]>Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-left:36.0pt;text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-=
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<![if !supportLists]><span style=3D"mso-list:Ignore">-<span style=3D"font:7=
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</span></span><![endif]>Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4<o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Ron,

We may try to provide some text of rationale before dropping it?

I think the state efficiency is important for a solution. But some optimiza=
tions can reduce the state of a solution for sure.

How about let's try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are a=
nalyzing solutions, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results?


I try to add some text of the rationale.

   o  Rationale: Additional state will increase the complexity of control p=
lane and data plane at a node. Also, removing per-flow state at middle node=
s is the key advantage of SR architecture, which can simplify the network. =
The compression solution SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.

Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB entries? I =
doubt that.

   o  Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of
      additional FIB entries (states) required by the proposed solution.

      *  S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a
         node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of
         nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of
         adjacencies.


Respect,
Cheng





From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

Folks,

The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.

The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.

Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.


                                             Ron



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Ron,<o:p></o:p></sp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We may try to provide =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the state effi=
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tate of a solution for sure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">How about let&#8217;s =
try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are analyzing solutio=
ns, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results?<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:#=
1F497D">I try to add some text of the rationale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Rationale: Additional state will increase=
 the complexity of control plane and data plane at a node. Also, removing p=
er-flow state at middle nodes is the key advantage of
 SR architecture, which can simplify the network. The compression solution =
SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:#=
1F497D">Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB ent=
ries? I doubt that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) re=
cords the number of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; additional FIB entries (states)=
 required by the proposed solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp; S(node parameters): the=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; node, given a=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; nodes in the =
network, number of local interface, number of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; adjacencies.<=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,<o:p></o:p></s=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org]=
 <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Ron Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY<o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The description and the rationale are identical. Lac=
king rationale to justify this requirement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY=
 assumes that one can infer how many FIB entries a particular compression m=
echanism requires. It ignores the fact that a FIB can be organized in many =
ways. Some organizations will have more
 FIB entries than others.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirem=
ent should be dropped.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Ron

The proposed rationale is fine, lets use it:
Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
Large encapsulation headers impede many ASIC=92s ability to process packets=
 at high data rates.
Reducing encapsulation can improve pps for operators.


Your proposed metric, however, is not a metric.
It is an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.

Let's keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (=
segment lists)  during analysis.

Darren

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D4=
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To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS


Folks,



The following is a better statement Rationale:



  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC=92s ability to pr=
ocess packets at high data rates



The following is a better statement of the metric:



Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.



In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:



  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)
  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.



So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:



  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4



                                                                           =
                                   Ron










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Hi Ron
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<div>The proposed rationale is fine, lets use it:</div>
<div>Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth</div>
<div>Large encapsulation headers impede many ASIC=92s ability to process pa=
ckets at high data rates.</div>
<div>Reducing encapsulation can improve pps for operators.</div>
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<div>Your proposed metric, however, is not a metric.</div>
<div>It is an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.</div>
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<div>Let's keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis paramet=
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Wim,

I disagree. The metric is misleading because it assumes that:


  *   All lookup are equally expensive.
  *   You can reliably determine how many lookups a compression mechanism r=
equires.

Neither of these assumptions are safe.

Normally, I would avoid discussing any particular compression mechanism in =
the requirements stage. But in this case, it is convenient to illustrate my=
 point using the CRH.

All lookups are not equally expensive
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
When a node process a packet that contains the CRH, it might execute the fo=
llowing lookups:


  *   A longest-match lookup of the IPv6 Destination Address in an IPv6 FIB
  *   An indexed lookup of the 16-bit SID in the CRH-FIB

The first lookup (i.e., the longest-match lookup) is relatively expensive b=
ecause:


  *   The longest-match lookup algorithm is relatively complex
  *   The IPv6 FIB can be very large

The second lookup (i.e., the indexed lookup) is relatively inexpensive beca=
use:


  *   The indexed lookup algorithm is relatively simple
  *   The CRH-FIB is likely to be small


It is not always possible to determine how many lookups a compression mecha=
nism requires.
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=3D

For example, the CRH draft describes a simple implementation that maintains=
 the following data structures:


  *   An IPv6 FIB that is indexed by a prefix and contains a pointer to the=
 forwarding next-hop table
  *   A CRH-FIB that is indexed by a 16-bit SID and contains an IPv6 addres=
s and a forwarding method
  *   A forwarding next hop table that contains layer 2 details

Reading through the draft, you might assume that CRH processing requires th=
e following lookups:


  1.  A longest-match lookup of the IPv6 Destination Address in an IPv6 FIB
  2.  An indexed lookup of the 16-bit SID in the CRH-FIB
  3.  Another longest-match lookup. This time, we are searching for the IPv=
6 address that we found in the CRH-FIB. Again, we are searching in the IPv6=
 FIB.

However, this would be a sub-optimal implementation. An optimized implement=
ation would contain the following data structures:


  *   An IPv6 FIB that is indexed by a prefix and contains a pointer to the=
 forwarding next-hop table
  *   A CRH-FIB that is indexed by a 16-bit SID and contains an IPv6 addres=
s and a * pointer to the forwarding next-hop table*
  *   A forwarding next hop table that contains layer 2 details


This implementation requires only the following lookups:


  1.  A longest-match lookup of the IPv6 Destination Address in an IPv6 FIB
  2.  An indexed lookup of the 16-bit SID in the CRH-FIB

A third lookup is not required because the CRH-FIB contains a pointer to th=
e forwarding next hop table. This implementation is relatively efficient, b=
ecause it requires one longest-match lookup and one indexed lookup, as oppo=
sed to many others that require two longest-match lookups.

This was a fairly obvious optimization. For any compression mechanism, ther=
e may be many optimizations that are not so obvious.







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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:23 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

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I do believe there is value in showing the lookups needed for a certain pro=
posal for srcomp and compare them. The reason is this technology will be im=
plemented by many asic (hopefully) and less lookups will be better. The mor=
e you need the more transistors/memory you burn and the result will be less=
 performance in a given package. As such this is an important factor in the=
 comparison of the options in my view.

In other words a solution that does 2 lookup versus 3 will be more future s=
afe.

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 21:06
To: "srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>" <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcom=
p@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

Folks,

The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:


  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.

D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC's it is extremely inexpensive o=
n others. Retaining this metric doesn't optimize the solution for operators=
. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can't parse additional e=
xtension headers efficiently.

D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.

Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer's. The network operator doesn't care how man=
y headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:


  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs

Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.

                                                                           =
                Ron





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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Wim,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I disagree. The metric is misleading because it assu=
mes that:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1">All lookup are equally expensive.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoList=
Paragraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">You can reliab=
ly determine how many lookups a compression mechanism requires.<o:p></o:p><=
/li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Neither of these assumptions are safe.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Normally, I would avoid discussing any particular co=
mpression mechanism in the requirements stage. But in this case, it is conv=
enient to illustrate my point using the CRH.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">All lookups are not equally expensive<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">When a node process a packet that contains the CRH, =
it might execute the following lookups:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1">A longest-match lookup of the IPv6 Destination Address in an IPv6 FIB=
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso=
-list:l1 level1 lfo1">An indexed lookup of the 16-bit SID in the CRH-FIB<o:=
p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The first lookup (i.e., the longest-match lookup) is=
 relatively expensive because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1">The longest-match lookup algorithm is relatively complex<o:p></o:p></=
li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 leve=
l1 lfo1">The IPv6 FIB can be very large<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The second lookup (i.e., the indexed lookup) is rela=
tively inexpensive because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1">The indexed lookup algorithm is relatively simple<o:p></o:p></li><li =
class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1=
">The CRH-FIB is likely to be small<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">It is not always possible to determine how many look=
ups a compression mechanism requires.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">For example, the CRH draft describes a simple implem=
entation that maintains the following data structures:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1">An IPv6 FIB that is indexed by a prefix and contains a pointer to the=
 forwarding next-hop table<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" st=
yle=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">A CRH-FIB that is indexed b=
y a 16-bit SID and contains an IPv6 address and a forwarding method<o:p></o=
:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1=
 level1 lfo1">A forwarding next hop table that contains layer 2 details<o:p=
></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Reading through the draft, you might assume that CRH=
 processing requires the following lookups:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2">A longest-match lookup of the IPv6 Destination Address in an IPv6 FIB=
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso=
-list:l0 level1 lfo2">An indexed lookup of the 16-bit SID in the CRH-FIB<o:=
p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-li=
st:l0 level1 lfo2">Another longest-match lookup. This time, we are searchin=
g for the IPv6 address that we found in the CRH-FIB. Again, we are searchin=
g in the IPv6 FIB.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, this would be a sub-optimal implementation.=
 An optimized implementation would contain the following data structures:<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo1">An IPv6 FIB that is indexed by a prefix and contains a pointer to the=
 forwarding next-hop table<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" st=
yle=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">A CRH-FIB that is indexed b=
y a 16-bit SID and contains an IPv6 address and a * pointer to the forwardi=
ng next-hop table*<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"m=
argin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1">A forwarding next hop table that co=
ntains layer 2 details<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This implementation requires only the following look=
ups:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo3">A longest-match lookup of the IPv6 Destination Address in an IPv6 FIB=
<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso=
-list:l2 level1 lfo3">An indexed lookup of the 16-bit SID in the CRH-FIB<o:=
p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">A third lookup is not required because the CRH-FIB c=
ontains a pointer to the forwarding next hop table. This implementation is =
relatively efficient, because it requires one longest-match lookup and one =
indexed lookup, as opposed to many
 others that require two longest-match lookups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This was a fairly obvious optimization. For any comp=
ression mechanism, there may be many optimizations that are not so obvious.=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"msipfooter30b3d538" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin:0in;text-a=
lign:center">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</span=
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l=
t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I do believe there is value in showing the lookups n=
eeded for a certain proposal for srcomp and compare them. The reason is thi=
s technology will be implemented by many asic (hopefully) and less lookups =
will be better. The more you need
 the more transistors/memory you burn and the result will be less performan=
ce in a given package. As such this is an important factor in the compariso=
n of the options in my view.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In other words a solution that does 2 lookup versus =
3 will be more future safe.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From=
: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Srcomp &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.=
org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 21:06<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY a=
re invalid. Currently, the metrics are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo4">D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" st=
yle=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">D.LKU(segment list): worst-=
case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p=
></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header=
 is expensive on all ASICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC&#8217;s =
it is extremely inexpensive on others. Retaining this metric doesn&#8217;t =
optimize the solution for operators. It merely
 creates an advantage for the ASIC that can&#8217;t parse additional extens=
ion headers efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how m=
any lookups a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fac=
t that the FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermor=
e, it fails to make a distinction
 between longest match lookups and index lookups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Finally, this requirement should be stated from the =
network operators perspective, not the ASIC developer&#8217;s. The network =
operator doesn&#8217;t care how many headers were parsed or how many lookup=
s were execute. It cares about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo4">How many packet per second the ASIC can process<o:p></o:p></li><li cl=
ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">=
How much power the ASIC consumes<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagra=
ph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">How much heat the ASI=
C generates<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-l=
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Cheng,

Adding to my last email.....

Network operators care about the efficiency of implementations. They want t=
o know that:


  *   Implementation A of compression mechanism A can forward N packets per=
 second
  *   Implementation B of compression mechanism A can forward M packets per=
 second
  *   Implementation A of compression mechanism B can forward P packets per=
 second
  *   Implementation B of compression mechanism B can forward Q packets per=
 second

The comparison would be even more meaningful of all implementations consume=
d the same amount of power, generated the same amount of heat, and were ava=
ilable at the same price.

Sadly, we can't provide such metrics. So, we generate metrics like D.PRS an=
d D.IKU, hoping that they estimate the metrics that network operators reall=
y want. Sadly, we have no guarantee that D.PRS or D.IKU can estimate the de=
sired metrics.

In order to estimate the desired metrics, we would have to measure *every* =
operation that the compression mechanism executes (e.g., bit shifting). The=
n, we would have to assign a relative cost to each operation. It is impossi=
ble to assign a relative cost to each operation because:


  *   An operation might be expensive on one platform and inexpensive on an=
other
  *   All instances of an operation may not have the same cost (e.g., longe=
st-match lookups versus indexed lookups)

In summary, I think that D.PRS and D.IKU may do more harm than good, becaus=
e they may be interpreted as estimates of the desired metrics, even though =
they are not.

                                                                           =
                     Ron



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To: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>; Ron Bo=
nica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

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Hi Wim and Ron,

I agree with Wim. There is value to show the times of lookup. Some forwardi=
ng efficiency MUST be dropped in any extra table lookup.

Please see my reply inline.

Respect,
Cheng



From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim =
(Nokia - BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:23 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D40j=
uniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org=
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Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

I do believe there is value in showing the lookups needed for a certain pro=
posal for srcomp and compare them. The reason is this technology will be im=
plemented by many asic (hopefully) and less lookups will be better. The mor=
e you need the more transistors/memory you burn and the result will be less=
 performance in a given package. As such this is an important factor in the=
 comparison of the options in my view.

In other words a solution that does 2 lookup versus 3 will be more future s=
afe.

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 21:06
To: "srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>" <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcom=
p@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

Folks,

The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:


  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.

D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC's it is extremely inexpensive o=
n others. Retaining this metric doesn't optimize the solution for operators=
. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can't parse additional e=
xtension headers efficiently.

[Cheng] Sure, different hardware have different capabilities. We may specif=
y what kind of hardware, correct? Also, why we only list the worst-case?

We should list all the possible cases, the best case, normal cases, and the=
 worst case.

Also, the percentage of each cases should be provided. Like, in  0.1 percen=
t to have the worst case, then there is no meaning to analysize it? But if =
in 10 or more percent we will meet the worst case, then it is valuable to h=
ave the data.

D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.

[Cheng] Yes, FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups, this sho=
uld be explicitly noted.

Also, the forwarding efficiencies of using LPM and EM are different. But fo=
r some vendors' hardware, they can make them almost the same. I think it de=
pends on the hardware implementation. Perhaps, we can do some theoretical a=
nalysis?


Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer's. The network operator doesn't care how man=
y headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:


  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs

Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.


                                                                           =
                Ron





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheng,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Adding to my last email&#8230;..<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Network operators care about the efficiency of imple=
mentations. They want to know that:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo3">Implementation A of compression mechanism A can forward N packets per=
 second<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:=
0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">Implementation B of compression mechanism A ca=
n forward M packets per second<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph=
" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">Implementation A of com=
pression mechanism B can forward P packets per second<o:p></o:p></li><li cl=
ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">=
Implementation B of compression mechanism B can forward Q packets per secon=
d<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The comparison would be even more meaningful of all =
implementations consumed the same amount of power, generated the same amoun=
t of heat, and were available at the same price.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Sadly, we can&#8217;t provide such metrics. So, we g=
enerate metrics like D.PRS and D.IKU, hoping that they estimate the metrics=
 that network operators really want. Sadly, we have no guarantee that D.PRS=
 or D.IKU can estimate the desired metrics.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In order to estimate the desired metrics, we would h=
ave to measure *<b>every</b>* operation that the compression mechanism exec=
utes (e.g., bit shifting). Then, we would have to assign a relative cost to=
 each operation. It is impossible
 to assign a relative cost to each operation because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo3">An operation might be expensive on one platform and inexpensive on an=
other<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0i=
n;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo3">All instances of an operation may not have the s=
ame cost (e.g., longest-match lookups versus indexed lookups)<o:p></o:p></l=
i></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In summary, I think that D.PRS and D.IKU may do more=
 harm than good, because they may be interpreted as estimates of the desire=
d metrics, even though they are not.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:29 AM<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Wim and Ron,<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I agree with Wim. Ther=
e is value to show the times of lookup. Some forwarding efficiency MUST be =
dropped in any extra table lookup.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Please see my reply in=
line.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp [<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounce=
s@ietf.org">mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 12:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.i=
etf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; srcomp &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I do believe there is value in showing the lookups n=
eeded for a certain proposal for srcomp and compare them. The reason is thi=
s technology will be implemented by many asic (hopefully) and less lookups =
will be better. The more you need
 the more transistors/memory you burn and the result will be less performan=
ce in a given package. As such this is an important factor in the compariso=
n of the options in my view.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In other words a solution that does 2 lookup versus =
3 will be more future safe.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From=
: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Srcomp &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.=
org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 23 September 2020 at 21:06<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&quo=
t; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>[Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY a=
re invalid. Currently, the metrics are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7">D.PRS(segment lis=
t): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing of the segment li=
st.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7=
">D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing o=
f the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header=
 is expensive on all ASICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC&#8217;s =
it is extremely inexpensive on others. Retaining this metric doesn&#8217;t =
optimize the solution for operators. It merely
 creates an advantage for the ASIC that can&#8217;t parse additional extens=
ion headers efficiently.<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun;mso-fareast-langu=
age:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">[Cheng] Sure, different hardware have different capabilities. We may s=
pecify what kind of hardware, correct? Also, why we only list the worst-cas=
e?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">We should list all the possible cases, the best case, normal cases, an=
d the worst case.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Also, the percentage of each cases should be provided. Like, in &nbsp;=
0.1 percent to have the worst case, then there is no meaning to analysize i=
t? But if in 10 or more percent we will meet
 the worst case, then it is valuable to have the data.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:SimSun;mso-fareast-langua=
ge:ZH-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how m=
any lookups a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fac=
t that the FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermor=
e, it fails to make a distinction
 between longest match lookups and index lookups.<span style=3D"font-family=
:SimSun;mso-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">[Cheng] Yes, FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups, thi=
s should be explicitly noted.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN">Also, the forwarding efficiencies of using LPM and EM are different. B=
ut for some vendors<span lang=3D"ZH-CN">&#8217;</span> hardware, they can m=
ake them almost the same. I think it depends
 on the hardware implementation. Perhaps, we can do some theoretical analys=
is?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Finally, this requirement should be stated from the =
network operators perspective, not the ASIC developer&#8217;s. The network =
operator doesn&#8217;t care how many headers were parsed or how many lookup=
s were execute. It cares about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7">How many packet p=
er second the ASIC can process<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=
=3D"mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7">How much power the ASIC consumes<o:p></o:p></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7">How much heat t=
he ASIC generates<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:=
l5 level1 lfo7">How much the ASIC costs<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Unless we can develop better metric for this require=
ment, we should drop it.<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun;color:#1F497D;mso=
-fareast-language:ZH-CN"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ZH=
-CN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Darren,

Why do you say that it is not a metric?

AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantity and a unit of measure=
. For example, If I say that "my parrot weighs 600 grams":


  *   The object is my parrot
  *   The quantity is 600
  *   The unit of measure is grams

By that reasoning, every cell in the table is  a metric, because:


  *   The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism a=
nd represents an SR path that contains a particular number of segments
  *   The quantity is the number in the cell
  *   The unit of measure is bytes.

I agree that the table should be in the analysis document. However, a descr=
iption of the table should be in the requirements document because it is th=
e best way to describe the metric for this requirement.

                                                                           =
 Ron




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Hi Ron

The proposed rationale is fine, lets use it:
Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
Large encapsulation headers impede many ASIC's ability to process packets a=
t high data rates.
Reducing encapsulation can improve pps for operators.


Your proposed metric, however, is not a metric.
It is an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.

Let's keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (=
segment lists)  during analysis.

Darren
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Folks,



The following is a better statement Rationale:



  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC's ability to proc=
ess packets at high data rates



The following is a better statement of the metric:



Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.



In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:



  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)
  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.



So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:



  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darren,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Why do you say that it is not a metric?<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantit=
y and a unit of measure. For example, If I say that &#8220;my parrot weighs=
 600 grams&#8221;:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo1">The object is my parrot<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph"=
 style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1">The quantity is 600<o:p>=
</o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list=
:l3 level1 lfo1">The unit of measure is grams<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">By that reasoning, every cell in the table is&nbsp; =
a metric, because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo1">The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism a=
nd represents an SR path that contains a particular number of segments<o:p>=
</o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list=
:l3 level1 lfo1">The quantity is the number in the cell<o:p></o:p></li><li =
class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo1=
">The unit of measure is bytes.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I agree that the table should be in the analysis doc=
ument. However, a description of the table should be in the requirements do=
cument because it is the best way to describe the metric for this requireme=
nt.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40ci=
sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Ron =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The pro=
posed rationale is fine, lets use it:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Large e=
ncapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Large e=
ncapsulation headers impede many ASIC&#8217;s ability to process packets at=
 high data rates.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Reducin=
g encapsulation can improve pps for operators.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Your pr=
oposed metric, however, is not a metric.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It is a=
n analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.<o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Let's k=
eep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (segment=
 lists) &nbsp;during analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black">Darren<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.or=
g">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc=
.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS</span> <o:p></o:p></=
p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The following is a better statement Rationale:<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1=
 lfo2">Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth<o:p></o:p></=
li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 lev=
el1 lfo2">Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC&#8217;s abili=
ty to process packets at high data rates<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The following is a better statement of the metric:<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and r=
ecorded in a table. &nbsp;The table will contain one column for each candid=
ate compression mechanism and one row for each of 12 use-cases.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">In each use-case, the encapsulation header represen=
ts an SR path. In the first use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In =
each subsequent use-case, the number of segments increases by one. In all u=
se-cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo3">All instructions except for the last instruction are topological ins=
tructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.<o:p></o:p></li>=
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo3">The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)<o=
:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-=
list:l2 level1 lfo3">Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.<o:p>=
</o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1=
 lfo4">Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"=
xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Segmen=
t 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistpar=
agraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Segment 3: Locato=
r ULA, instruction END<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=
=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Segment 4: Locator GUA, instru=
ction END.X<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-=
left:0in;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.D=
T4<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-left:.25in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi everyone, the rationale was transcribed incorrectly from the original em=
ail to the spreadsheet/document.  The email stated:

Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are both imp=
ortant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues in i=
mplementations.

This can be improved to take an operators point of view:

Rationale: Increasing the forwarding state in an ASIC results in an increas=
e in memory usage.  Greater memory usage can result in greater costs for op=
erators, or limit functionality.

Darren



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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l=
@huawei.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:57 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp <srcomp@iet=
f.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY


Hi Ron,



We may try to provide some text of rationale before dropping it?



I think the state efficiency is important for a solution. But some optimiza=
tions can reduce the state of a solution for sure.



How about let=92s try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are=
 analyzing solutions, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results=
?





I try to add some text of the rationale.



   o  Rationale: Additional state will increase the complexity of control p=
lane and data plane at a node. Also, removing per-flow state at middle node=
s is the key advantage of SR architecture, which can simplify the network. =
The compression solution SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.



Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB entries? I =
doubt that.



   o  Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of

      additional FIB entries (states) required by the proposed solution.



      *  S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a

         node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of

         nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of

         adjacencies.





Respect,

Cheng











From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY



Folks,



The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.



The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.



Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.





                                             Ron





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Hi everyone, the rationale was transcribed incorrectly from the original em=
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h important. &nbsp;Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to i=
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<div>This can be improved to take an operators point of view:</div>
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<div>Rationale: Increasing the forwarding state in an ASIC results in an in=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIEN=
CY assumes that one can infer how many FIB entries a particular compression=
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this requir=
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Cheng,

Responding point by point....


  1.  You are correct. We should replace the word "ASIC" with a more generi=
c term.
  2.  Thanks for generating this table. Please share it so that we can incl=
ude it in the Analysis document
  3.  Yes, we should give some thought to SFC.
  4.  SIDs may not share a common prefix within a domain. Assume that netwo=
rks A, B, C, D and E are all independent and all use some compression mecha=
nism. Networks A, C, and E each number their SIDS from ULA space. Network B=
 and D number their networks from GUA space. Now, a large multinational cor=
poration buys all five networks and wants to build an SR path with endpoint=
s in A, B, C, D and E. It doesn't want to renumber.

                                                    Ron





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Hi Ron,

We do need to update the rationale, and I think you have proposed a good ca=
ndidate. One question, do we need to emphasize ASIC? How about NP hardware?

Regarding the Metric, please see my reply inline.

Respect,
Cheng



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To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS

Folks,

The following is a better statement Rationale:


  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC's ability to proc=
ess packets at high data rates

The following is a better statement of the metric:

Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.

[Cheng] I have done an analysis already, and I can share it to the design t=
eam when we are ready to discuss the analysis.

In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:


  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
[Cheng] Agree, but should we consider SFC? Service SIDs may be included in =
the middle of the SID list.


  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)


  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.
[Cheng] The solution should have the ability to support SIDs with different=
 Locators of ULA or GUA, but switch the Locator one-by-one seems not reason=
able in practice.

Can you list a use case of switching the Locator per-SID? Normally, the SID=
s will share a common prefix in an SRv6 domain, right?

So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:


  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheng,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Responding point by point&#8230;.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ol style=3D"margin-top:0in" start=3D"1" type=3D"1">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo3">You are correct. We should replace the word &#8220;ASIC&#8221; with a=
 more generic term.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"=
margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">Thanks for generating this table. =
Please share it so that we can include it in the Analysis document<o:p></o:=
p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 =
level1 lfo3">Yes, we should give some thought to SFC.<o:p></o:p></li><li cl=
ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">=
SIDs may not share a common prefix within a domain. Assume that networks A,=
 B, C, D and E are all independent and all use some compression mechanism. =
Networks A, C, and E each number
 their SIDS from ULA space. Network B and D number their networks from GUA =
space. Now, a large multinational corporation buys all five networks and wa=
nts to build an SR path with endpoints in A, B, C, D and E. It doesn&#8217;=
t want to renumber.<o:p></o:p></li></ol>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"msipfooter30b3d538" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin:0in;text-a=
lign:center">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">Juniper Business Use Only</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;c.l@huawei.com&g=
t; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 4:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Ron,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We do need to update t=
he rationale, and I think you have proposed a good candidate. One question,=
 do we need to emphasize ASIC? How about NP hardware?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding the Metric, =
please see my reply inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp [<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounce=
s@ietf.org">mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 2:01 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The following is a better statement Rationale:<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">Large encapsulati=
on headers consume excessive bandwidth<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">Large encapsulation headers header imp=
ede many ASIC&#8217;s ability to process packets at high data rates<o:p></o=
:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The following is a better statement of the metric:<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and re=
corded in a table. &nbsp;The table will contain one column for each candida=
te compression mechanism and one row for each of 12 use-cases.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Cheng] I have done an=
 analysis already, and I can share it to the design team when we are ready =
to discuss the analysis.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In each use-case, the encapsulation header represent=
s an SR path. In the first use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In e=
ach subsequent use-case, the number of segments increases by one. In all us=
e-cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">All instructions =
except for the last instruction are topological instructions. They alternat=
e between loose and strict routing.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Cheng] Agree, but sho=
uld we consider SFC? Service SIDs may be included in the middle of the SID =
list.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6"><sp=
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ction (e.g., END-DT4)</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">Locators alternat=
e between ULA and GUA addresses.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">[Cheng] The solution s=
hould have the ability to support SIDs with different Locators of ULA or GU=
A, but switch the Locator one-by-one seems not reasonable in practice.<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Can you list a use cas=
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prefix in an SRv6 domain, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo6">Segment 1: Locato=
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Darren,

This rationale is much better. Does it imply that the metric  should be sta=
ted in terms of bytes of memory required to support a network of a given si=
ze?

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Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

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Hi everyone, the rationale was transcribed incorrectly from the original em=
ail to the spreadsheet/document.  The email stated:

Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are both imp=
ortant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues in i=
mplementations.

This can be improved to take an operators point of view:

Rationale: Increasing the forwarding state in an ASIC results in an increas=
e in memory usage.  Greater memory usage can result in greater costs for op=
erators, or limit functionality.

Darren

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Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY


Hi Ron,



We may try to provide some text of rationale before dropping it?



I think the state efficiency is important for a solution. But some optimiza=
tions can reduce the state of a solution for sure.



How about let's try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are a=
nalyzing solutions, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results?





I try to add some text of the rationale.



   o  Rationale: Additional state will increase the complexity of control p=
lane and data plane at a node. Also, removing per-flow state at middle node=
s is the key advantage of SR architecture, which can simplify the network. =
The compression solution SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.



Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB entries? I =
doubt that.



   o  Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of

      additional FIB entries (states) required by the proposed solution.



      *  S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a

         node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of

         nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of

         adjacencies.





Respect,

Cheng











From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY



Folks,



The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.



The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.



Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.





                                             Ron





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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darren,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This rationale is much better. Does it imply that th=
e metric &nbsp;should be stated in terms of bytes of memory required to sup=
port a network of a given size?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp &lt;srcomp-bounces@ietf.org&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Darren Dukes (ddukes)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;c.l@huawei.com&gt;; Ron Bonica &lt;rbonic=
a=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY<o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi ever=
yone, the rationale was transcribed incorrectly from the original email to =
the spreadsheet/document. &nbsp;The email stated:
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Rationa=
le: Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are both important.=
 &nbsp;Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues in imp=
lementations.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">This ca=
n be improved to take an operators point of view:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Rationa=
le: Increasing the forwarding state in an ASIC results in an increase in me=
mory usage. &nbsp;Greater memory usage can result in greater costs for oper=
ators, or limit functionality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Darren<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.or=
g">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:c.l@huawei.com">c.l@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.i=
etf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; srcomp &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY</=
span> <o:p>
</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Ron,</span><o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We may try to provide=
 some text of rationale before dropping it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the state eff=
iciency is important for a solution. But some optimizations can reduce the =
state of a solution for sure.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">How about let&#8217;s=
 try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are analyzing soluti=
ons, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results?</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:=
#1F497D">I try to add some text of the rationale.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Rationale: Additional state will increas=
e the complexity of control plane and data plane at a node. Also, removing =
per-flow state at middle nodes is the key advantage of
 SR architecture, which can simplify the network. The compression solution =
SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:=
#1F497D">Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB en=
tries? I doubt that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) r=
ecords the number of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; additional FIB entries (states=
) required by the proposed solution.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp; S(node parameters): th=
e number of additional FIB entries for a</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; node, given =
a set of node parameters consisting of number of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; nodes in the=
 network, number of local interface, number of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-f=
amily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; adjacencies.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,</span><o:p><=
/o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng</span><o:p></o:=
p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span><o:p></o=
:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp [<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounc=
es@ietf.org">mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The description and the rationale are identical. La=
cking rationale to justify this requirement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENC=
Y assumes that one can infer how many FIB entries a particular compression =
mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that a FIB can be organized in many=
 ways. Some organizations will have more
 FIB entries than others.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this require=
ment should be dropped.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Cheng,

I think you have just reminded us of a requirement that we missed. The comp=
ression mechanism MUST NOT require per-path state to be stored in transit n=
odes.

However, I'm not sure that FIB entries is the right metric for state.  Cons=
ider a FIB that contains *X bits of information*. If I represent that FIB w=
ith a relatively flat data structure, it contain fewer FIB entries, but req=
uire more bytes of storage. If I represent that same FIB with a more normal=
ized data structure, it will contain more FIB entries but require fewer byt=
es of storage.

What do we want to optimize, bits of information, FIB entries, or bytes of =
storage.

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                    Ron




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Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

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Hi Ron,

We may try to provide some text of rationale before dropping it?

I think the state efficiency is important for a solution. But some optimiza=
tions can reduce the state of a solution for sure.

How about let's try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are a=
nalyzing solutions, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results?


I try to add some text of the rationale.

   o  Rationale: Additional state will increase the complexity of control p=
lane and data plane at a node. Also, removing per-flow state at middle node=
s is the key advantage of SR architecture, which can simplify the network. =
The compression solution SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.

Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB entries? I =
doubt that.

   o  Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of
      additional FIB entries (states) required by the proposed solution.

      *  S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a
         node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of
         nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of
         adjacencies.


Respect,
Cheng





From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

Folks,

The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.

The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.

Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.


                                             Ron



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cheng,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think you have just reminded us of a requirement t=
hat we missed. The compression mechanism MUST NOT require per-path state to=
 be stored in transit nodes.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, I&#8217;m not sure that FIB entries is the =
right metric for state. &nbsp;Consider a FIB that contains *<b>X bits of in=
formation</b>*. If I represent that FIB with a relatively flat data structu=
re, it contain fewer FIB entries, but require
 more bytes of storage. If I represent that same FIB with a more normalized=
 data structure, it will contain more FIB entries but require fewer bytes o=
f storage.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">What do we want to optimize, bits of information, FI=
B entries, or bytes of storage.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp &lt;srcomp-bounces@ietf.org&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Chengli (Cheng Li)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;; srcom=
p &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY<o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Ron,<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We may try to provide =
some text of rationale before dropping it?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the state effi=
ciency is important for a solution. But some optimizations can reduce the s=
tate of a solution for sure.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">How about let&#8217;s =
try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are analyzing solutio=
ns, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results?<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:#=
1F497D">I try to add some text of the rationale.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Rationale: Additional state will increase=
 the complexity of control plane and data plane at a node. Also, removing p=
er-flow state at middle nodes is the key advantage of
 SR architecture, which can simplify the network. The compression solution =
SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"color:#=
1F497D">Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB ent=
ries? I doubt that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) re=
cords the number of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; additional FIB entries (states)=
 required by the proposed solution.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp; S(node parameters): the=
 number of additional FIB entries for a<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; node, given a=
 set of node parameters consisting of number of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; nodes in the =
network, number of local interface, number of<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"text-autospace:none"><span style=3D"font-fa=
mily:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; adjacencies.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></spa=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp [<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounce=
s@ietf.org">mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY<o:p><=
/o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The description and the rationale are identical. Lac=
king rationale to justify this requirement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY=
 assumes that one can infer how many FIB entries a particular compression m=
echanism requires. It ignores the fact that a FIB can be organized in many =
ways. Some organizations will have more
 FIB entries than others.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirem=
ent should be dropped.<o:p></o:p></p>
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The mass of your parrot is a static metric.

The flight efficiency of your parrot is a dynamic metric.  It is different =
when flying from it's perch to your shoulder vs its perch to my shoulder vs=
 its perch to the moon.

A dynamic metric requires analysis to quantify it.

The compression metric is a dynamic metric, it requires analysis to quantif=
y it and that analysis is not within the scope of this phase.

Realistic analysis parameters can be analyzed during the analysis phase.

Darren



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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:22 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS


Darren,



Why do you say that it is not a metric?



AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantity and a unit of measure=
. For example, If I say that =93my parrot weighs 600 grams=94:



  *   The object is my parrot
  *   The quantity is 600
  *   The unit of measure is grams



By that reasoning, every cell in the table is  a metric, because:



  *   The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism a=
nd represents an SR path that contains a particular number of segments
  *   The quantity is the number in the cell
  *   The unit of measure is bytes.



I agree that the table should be in the analysis document. However, a descr=
iption of the table should be in the requirements document because it is th=
e best way to describe the metric for this requirement.



                                                                           =
 Ron







Juniper Business Use Only

From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:04 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



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Hi Ron



The proposed rationale is fine, lets use it:

Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth

Large encapsulation headers impede many ASIC=92s ability to process packets=
 at high data rates.

Reducing encapsulation can improve pps for operators.





Your proposed metric, however, is not a metric.

It is an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.



Let's keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (=
segment lists)  during analysis.



Darren

________________________________

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



Folks,



The following is a better statement Rationale:



  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC=92s ability to pr=
ocess packets at high data rates



The following is a better statement of the metric:



Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.



In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:



  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)
  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.



So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:



  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4



                                                                           =
                                   Ron











Juniper Business Use Only

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<b>To:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes@cisco.com&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcom=
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Darren,</p>
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Why do you say that it is not a metric?</p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantity and a unit of measure=
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The unit of measure is grams</li></ul>
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By that reasoning, every cell in the table is&nbsp; a metric, because:</p>
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The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism and rep=
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The unit of measure is bytes.</li></ul>
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I agree that the table should be in the analysis document. However, a descr=
iption of the table should be in the requirements document because it is th=
e best way to describe the metric for this requirement.</p>
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<b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&=
gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS</p>
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<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif=
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Hi Ron </span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The proposed rationale is fin=
e, lets use it:</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Large encapsulation headers c=
onsume excessive bandwidth</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Large encapsulation headers i=
mpede many ASIC=92s ability to process packets at high data rates.</span></=
p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Reducing encapsulation can im=
prove pps for operators.</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Your proposed metric, however=
, is not a metric.</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">It is an analysis parameter a=
nd out of scope of this document.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Let's keep the current metric=
 and expand on realistic analysis parameters (segment lists) &nbsp;during a=
nalysis.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Darren</span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.=
org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40junip=
er.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS</span> </p>
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Folks,</p>
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The following is a better statement Rationale:</p>
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Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth</li><li class=3D"x_=
xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size: 11pt; fon=
t-family: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-left:0in; mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2">
Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC=92s ability to process =
packets at high data rates</li></ul>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
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The following is a better statement of the metric:</p>
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&nbsp;</p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table. &nbs=
p;The table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanis=
m and one row for each of 12 use-cases.</p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
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In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
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i, sans-serif;margin-left:0in; mso-list:l1 level1 lfo4">
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I am told that this is only a compilation of requirements that have been 
proposed by any of the design team members.  If that is the case, please 
DO NOT post this as a DT Internet Draft.  That would mislead the working 
group about the statues.

No, we can not hold an interim on Nov 4.  Too close to the IETF meeting. 
We will have to have discussion of the draft at the upcoming IETF meeting.

Yours,
Joel

On 9/23/2020 7:26 AM, 程伟强 wrote:
> Hi Team,
> Sorry for sending you the draft late, due to business trip.
> I organized the draft as following structure as the discussion last 
> week. Let’s have more discussion today.
> The requirements are listed in three super categories:
>     o  Requirements Specific To Compression
>     o  Requirements Specific to any SR instantiation for IPv6
> o  Requirements Common to any Protocol Design
> In each super category, the requirements are described under several 
> sub-categories including
>     o  Operational requirements
>     o  Functional requirements
>     o  Scalability requirements
>     o  Efficiency and performance
>     o  Convergence requirements
>     o  Migration requirements
>     o  Security requirements
> In order to easy understand the requirements, for each requirement,the 
> description, rationale and metric of it are described.
> B.R.
> Weiqiang Cheng
> 
> ---------
> Best Regards,
> Weiqiang


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Hi Joel,

Thanks for reminding.

We got it.

B.R.

Weiqiang Cheng


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ase, please DO NOT post this as a DT Internet Draft. That would mislead the=
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at the upcoming IETF meeting.Yours,JoelOn 9/23/2020 7:26 AM, =E7=A8=8B=E4=
=BC=9F=E5=BC=BA wrote:> Hi Team,> Sorry for sending you the draft late, due=
 to business trip.> I organized the draft as following structure as the dis=
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ments are listed in three super categories:>    o  Requirements Specific To=
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--> Best Regards,> Weiqiang-- Srcomp mailing listSrcomp@ietf.orghttps://www=
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ation of requirements that have been proposed by any of the design team mem=
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scussion of the draft at the upcoming IETF meeting.Yours,JoelOn 9/23/2020 7=
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 the draft late, due to business trip.> I organized the draft as following =
structure as the discussion last > week. Let=E2=80=99s have more discussion=
 today.> The requirements are listed in three super categories:>    o  Requ=
irements Specific To Compression>    o  Requirements Specific to any SR ins=
tantiation for IPv6> o  Requirements Common to any Protocol Design> In each=
 super category, the requirements are described under several > sub-categor=
ies including>    o  Operational requirements>    o  Functional requirement=
s>    o  Scalability requirements>    o  Efficiency and performance>    o  =
Convergence requirements>    o  Migration requirements>    o  Security requ=
irements> In order to easy understand the requirements, for each requiremen=
t,the > description, rationale and metric of it are described.> B.R.> Weiqi=
ang Cheng> > ---------> Best Regards,> Weiqiang-- Srcomp mailing listSrcomp=
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nbsp;would&nbsp;mislead&nbsp;the&nbsp;working&nbsp;<br/>group&nbsp;about&nb=
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ts<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Scalability&nbsp;requiremen=
ts<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Efficiency&nbsp;and&nbsp;pe=
rformance<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Convergence&nbsp;req=
uirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Migration&nbsp;requi=
rements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Security&nbsp;requirem=
ents<br/>&gt;&nbsp;In&nbsp;order&nbsp;to&nbsp;easy&nbsp;understand&nbsp;the=
&nbsp;requirements,&nbsp;for&nbsp;each&nbsp;requirement,the&nbsp;<br/>&gt;&=
nbsp;description,&nbsp;rationale&nbsp;and&nbsp;metric&nbsp;of&nbsp;it&nbsp;=
are&nbsp;described.<br/>&gt;&nbsp;B.R.<br/>&gt;&nbsp;Weiqiang&nbsp;Cheng<br=
/>&gt;&nbsp;<br/>&gt;&nbsp;---------<br/>&gt;&nbsp;Best&nbsp;Regards,<br/>&=
gt;&nbsp;Weiqiang<br/><br/>--&nbsp;<br/>Srcomp&nbsp;mailing&nbsp;list<br/>S=
rcomp@ietf.org<br/>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/srcomp<br/><br/>Su=
bject=EF=BC=9ARe:&nbsp;[Srcomp]&nbsp;draft-srcompdt-spring-compression-requ=
irement-00.txt<br/><br/>I&nbsp;am&nbsp;told&nbsp;that&nbsp;this&nbsp;is&nbs=
p;only&nbsp;a&nbsp;compilation&nbsp;of&nbsp;requirements&nbsp;that&nbsp;hav=
e&nbsp;been&nbsp;<br/>proposed&nbsp;by&nbsp;any&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;desig=
n&nbsp;team&nbsp;members.&nbsp;If&nbsp;that&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;case,&nbs=
p;please&nbsp;<br/>DO&nbsp;NOT&nbsp;post&nbsp;this&nbsp;as&nbsp;a&nbsp;DT&n=
bsp;Internet&nbsp;Draft.&nbsp;That&nbsp;would&nbsp;mislead&nbsp;the&nbsp;wo=
rking&nbsp;<br/>group&nbsp;about&nbsp;the&nbsp;statues.<br/><br/>No,&nbsp;w=
e&nbsp;can&nbsp;not&nbsp;hold&nbsp;an&nbsp;interim&nbsp;on&nbsp;Nov&nbsp;4.=
&nbsp;Too&nbsp;close&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;IETF&nbsp;meeting.&nbsp;<br/>We&=
nbsp;will&nbsp;have&nbsp;to&nbsp;have&nbsp;discussion&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp=
;draft&nbsp;at&nbsp;the&nbsp;upcoming&nbsp;IETF&nbsp;meeting.<br/><br/>Your=
s,<br/>Joel<br/><br/>On&nbsp;9/23/2020&nbsp;7:26&nbsp;AM,&nbsp;=E7=A8=8B=E4=
=BC=9F=E5=BC=BA&nbsp;wrote:<br/>&gt;&nbsp;Hi&nbsp;Team,<br/>&gt;&nbsp;Sorry=
&nbsp;for&nbsp;sending&nbsp;you&nbsp;the&nbsp;draft&nbsp;late,&nbsp;due&nbs=
p;to&nbsp;business&nbsp;trip.<br/>&gt;&nbsp;I&nbsp;organized&nbsp;the&nbsp;=
draft&nbsp;as&nbsp;following&nbsp;structure&nbsp;as&nbsp;the&nbsp;discussio=
n&nbsp;last&nbsp;<br/>&gt;&nbsp;week.&nbsp;Let=E2=80=99s&nbsp;have&nbsp;mor=
e&nbsp;discussion&nbsp;today.<br/>&gt;&nbsp;The&nbsp;requirements&nbsp;are&=
nbsp;listed&nbsp;in&nbsp;three&nbsp;super&nbsp;categories:<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Requirements&nbsp;Specific&nbsp;To&nbsp;Compre=
ssion<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Requirements&nbsp;Specif=
ic&nbsp;to&nbsp;any&nbsp;SR&nbsp;instantiation&nbsp;for&nbsp;IPv6<br/>&gt;&=
nbsp;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Requirements&nbsp;Common&nbsp;to&nbsp;any&nbsp;Protocol&n=
bsp;Design<br/>&gt;&nbsp;In&nbsp;each&nbsp;super&nbsp;category,&nbsp;the&nb=
sp;requirements&nbsp;are&nbsp;described&nbsp;under&nbsp;several&nbsp;<br/>&=
gt;&nbsp;sub-categories&nbsp;including<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nb=
sp;&nbsp;Operational&nbsp;requirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nb=
sp;&nbsp;Functional&nbsp;requirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbs=
p;&nbsp;Scalability&nbsp;requirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;o&nbs=
p;&nbsp;Efficiency&nbsp;and&nbsp;performance<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Convergence&nbsp;requirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;o&nbsp;&nbsp;Migration&nbsp;requirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
o&nbsp;&nbsp;Security&nbsp;requirements<br/>&gt;&nbsp;In&nbsp;order&nbsp;to=
&nbsp;easy&nbsp;understand&nbsp;the&nbsp;requirements,&nbsp;for&nbsp;each&n=
bsp;requirement,the&nbsp;<br/>&gt;&nbsp;description,&nbsp;rationale&nbsp;an=
d&nbsp;metric&nbsp;of&nbsp;it&nbsp;are&nbsp;described.<br/>&gt;&nbsp;B.R.<b=
r/>&gt;&nbsp;Weiqiang&nbsp;Cheng<br/>&gt;&nbsp;<br/>&gt;&nbsp;---------<br/=
>&gt;&nbsp;Best&nbsp;Regards,<br/>&gt;&nbsp;Weiqiang<br/><br/>--&nbsp;<br/>=
Srcomp&nbsp;mailing&nbsp;list<br/>Srcomp@ietf.org<br/>https://www.ietf.org/=
mailman/listinfo/srcomp<br/><br/></p>
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Darren,

Really? Does it change over time? Or is there a different static metric tha=
t varies by SR path length?

                                                   Ron




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The mass of your parrot is a static metric.

The flight efficiency of your parrot is a dynamic metric.  It is different =
when flying from it's perch to your shoulder vs its perch to my shoulder vs=
 its perch to the moon.

A dynamic metric requires analysis to quantify it.

The compression metric is a dynamic metric, it requires analysis to quantif=
y it and that analysis is not within the scope of this phase.

Realistic analysis parameters can be analyzed during the analysis phase.

Darren



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0juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
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Subject: RE: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS


Darren,



Why do you say that it is not a metric?



AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantity and a unit of measure=
. For example, If I say that "my parrot weighs 600 grams":



  *   The object is my parrot
  *   The quantity is 600
  *   The unit of measure is grams



By that reasoning, every cell in the table is  a metric, because:



  *   The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism a=
nd represents an SR path that contains a particular number of segments
  *   The quantity is the number in the cell
  *   The unit of measure is bytes.



I agree that the table should be in the analysis document. However, a descr=
iption of the table should be in the requirements document because it is th=
e best way to describe the metric for this requirement.



                                                                           =
 Ron







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Subject: Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



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Hi Ron



The proposed rationale is fine, lets use it:

Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth

Large encapsulation headers impede many ASIC's ability to process packets a=
t high data rates.

Reducing encapsulation can improve pps for operators.





Your proposed metric, however, is not a metric.

It is an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.



Let's keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (=
segment lists)  during analysis.



Darren

________________________________

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



Folks,



The following is a better statement Rationale:



  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC's ability to proc=
ess packets at high data rates



The following is a better statement of the metric:



Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.



In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:



  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)
  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.



So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:



  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darren,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Really? Does it change over time? Or is there a diff=
erent static metric that varies by SR path length?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"msipfooter30b3d538" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin:0in;text-a=
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<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40ci=
sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The mas=
s of your parrot&nbsp;is a static metric.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The fli=
ght efficiency of your parrot&nbsp;is a dynamic metric. &nbsp;It is differe=
nt when flying from it's perch to your shoulder vs its perch to my shoulder=
 vs its perch to the moon.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">A dynam=
ic metric requires analysis to quantify it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The com=
pression metric is a dynamic metric, it requires analysis to quantify it an=
d that analysis is not within the scope of this phase.<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Realist=
ic analysis parameters can be analyzed during the analysis phase.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Darren<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40junipe=
r.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:22 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ddukes@cisco.com">dd=
ukes@cisco.com</a>&gt;; srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcom=
p@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Darren,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Why do you say that it is not a metric?<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quanti=
ty and a unit of measure. For example, If I say that &#8220;my parrot weigh=
s 600 grams&#8221;:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;m=
so-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
The object is my parrot<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" styl=
e=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
The quantity is 600<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D=
"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
The unit of measure is grams<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">By that reasoning, every cell in the table is&nbsp;=
 a metric, because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;m=
so-list:l4 level1 lfo2">
The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism and rep=
resents an SR path that contains a particular number of segments<o:p></o:p>=
</li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:=
0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo2">
The quantity is the number in the cell<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolist=
paragraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo=
2">
The unit of measure is bytes.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">I agree that the table should be in the analysis do=
cument. However, a description of the table should be in the requirements d=
ocument because it is the best way to describe the metric for this requirem=
ent.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsipfooter30b3d538" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:cente=
r"><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</s=
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.=
org</a>&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica@juniper.net">rbonica@ju=
niper.net</a>&gt;; srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@iet=
f.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b>=
<span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;col=
or:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]</span></b><o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Ron=
 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">The pr=
oposed rationale is fine, lets use it:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Large =
encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Large =
encapsulation headers impede many ASIC&#8217;s ability to process packets a=
t high data rates.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Reduci=
ng encapsulation can improve pps for operators.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Your p=
roposed metric, however, is not a metric.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">It is =
an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Let's =
keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (segmen=
t lists) &nbsp;during analysis.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">&nbsp;=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12.0pt;color:black">Darren</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
</div>
<div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"xmsonormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><spa=
n style=3D"color:black"> Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.o=
rg">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar=
c.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS</span> <o:p></o:p></=
p>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">The following is a better statement Rationale:<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;=
mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth<o:p></o:p></li><li =
class=3D"xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-=
list:l1 level1 lfo3">
Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC&#8217;s ability to proc=
ess packets at high data rates<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">The following is a better statement of the metric:=
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and =
recorded in a table. &nbsp;The table will contain one column for each candi=
date compression mechanism and one row for each of 12 use-cases.<o:p></o:p>=
</p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">In each use-case, the encapsulation header represe=
nts an SR path. In the first use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In=
 each subsequent use-case, the number of segments increases by one. In all =
use-cases:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;=
mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
All instructions except for the last instruction are topological instructio=
ns. They alternate between loose and strict routing.<o:p></o:p></li><li cla=
ss=3D"xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-lis=
t:l3 level1 lfo4">
The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)<o:p></o:=
p></li><li class=3D"xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bott=
om:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;=
mso-list:l2 level1 lfo5">
Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xxmsoli=
stparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 l=
fo5">
Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xxmso=
listparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo5">
Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xxmsoli=
stparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 l=
fo5">
Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xxmso=
listparagraph" style=3D"margin-top:0in;margin-bottom:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo5">
Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xxmsonormal" style=3D"margin-left:.25in">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Hi Ron, time is not relevant.

This and the other compression metrics can be analyzed across different inp=
ut parameters.
I suggest we analyze those realistic input parameters in the analysis phase=
 to produce the compression metric.

Darren


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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Friday, September 25, 2020 10:36 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS


Darren,



Really? Does it change over time? Or is there a different static metric tha=
t varies by SR path length?



                                                   Ron







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From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 9:46 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



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The mass of your parrot is a static metric.



The flight efficiency of your parrot is a dynamic metric.  It is different =
when flying from it's perch to your shoulder vs its perch to my shoulder vs=
 its perch to the moon.



A dynamic metric requires analysis to quantify it.



The compression metric is a dynamic metric, it requires analysis to quantif=
y it and that analysis is not within the scope of this phase.



Realistic analysis parameters can be analyzed during the analysis phase.



Darren







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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D4=
0juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:22 PM
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mp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



Darren,



Why do you say that it is not a metric?



AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantity and a unit of measure=
. For example, If I say that =93my parrot weighs 600 grams=94:



  *   The object is my parrot
  *   The quantity is 600
  *   The unit of measure is grams



By that reasoning, every cell in the table is  a metric, because:



  *   The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism a=
nd represents an SR path that contains a particular number of segments
  *   The quantity is the number in the cell
  *   The unit of measure is bytes.



I agree that the table should be in the analysis document. However, a descr=
iption of the table should be in the requirements document because it is th=
e best way to describe the metric for this requirement.



                                                                           =
 Ron







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rcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



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Hi Ron



The proposed rationale is fine, lets use it:

Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth

Large encapsulation headers impede many ASIC=92s ability to process packets=
 at high data rates.

Reducing encapsulation can improve pps for operators.





Your proposed metric, however, is not a metric.

It is an analysis parameter and out of scope of this document.



Let's keep the current metric and expand on realistic analysis parameters (=
segment lists)  during analysis.



Darren

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS



Folks,



The following is a better statement Rationale:



  *   Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth
  *   Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC=92s ability to pr=
ocess packets at high data rates



The following is a better statement of the metric:



Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table.  The=
 table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanism and=
 one row for each of 12 use-cases.



In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:



  *   All instructions except for the last instruction are topological inst=
ructions. They alternate between loose and strict routing.
  *   The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)
  *   Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.



So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:



  *   Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END
  *   Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X
  *   Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4



                                                                           =
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<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The compression metric is a d=
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Why do you say that it is not a metric?</p>
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AFAIKS, a metric associates an object with a quantity and a unit of measure=
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The unit of measure is grams</li></ul>
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By that reasoning, every cell in the table is&nbsp; a metric, because:</p>
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The object is a header that uses a particular compression mechanism and rep=
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I agree that the table should be in the analysis document. However, a descr=
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Hi Ron </span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">The proposed rationale is fin=
e, lets use it:</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Large encapsulation headers c=
onsume excessive bandwidth</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Large encapsulation headers i=
mpede many ASIC=92s ability to process packets at high data rates.</span></=
p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Reducing encapsulation can im=
prove pps for operators.</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Your proposed metric, however=
, is not a metric.</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">It is an analysis parameter a=
nd out of scope of this document.</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Let's keep the current metric=
 and expand on realistic analysis parameters (segment lists) &nbsp;during a=
nalysis.</span></p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-famil=
y: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-bottom:12.0pt">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Darren</span></p>
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<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.=
org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40junip=
er.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 2:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-7-27-COMPRESS</span> </p>
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y: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
Folks,</p>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fami=
ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
The following is a better statement Rationale:</p>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<ul type=3D"disc" style=3D"margin-bottom: 0in;margin-top:0in">
<li class=3D"x_xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left:=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; mar=
gin-bottom:0in; mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
Large encapsulation headers consume excessive bandwidth</li><li class=3D"x_=
xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size=
: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; margin-bottom:0in;=
 mso-list:l1 level1 lfo3">
Large encapsulation headers header impede many ASIC=92s ability to process =
packets at high data rates</li></ul>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fami=
ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
The following is a better statement of the metric:</p>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fami=
ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
Encapsulation header sizes will be calculated and recorded in a table. &nbs=
p;The table will contain one column for each candidate compression mechanis=
m and one row for each of 12 use-cases.</p>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xxmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fami=
ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
In each use-case, the encapsulation header represents an SR path. In the fi=
rst use-case, the SR path contains one segment. In each subsequent use-case=
, the number of segments increases by one. In all use-cases:</p>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
&nbsp;</p>
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<li class=3D"x_xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left:=
 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; mar=
gin-bottom:0in; mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
All instructions except for the last instruction are topological instructio=
ns. They alternate between loose and strict routing.</li><li class=3D"x_xxm=
solistparagraph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 1=
1pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; margin-bottom:0in; ms=
o-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
The final instruction is a VPN service instruction (e.g., END-DT4)</li><li =
class=3D"x_xxmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in=
; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; margin-=
bottom:0in; mso-list:l3 level1 lfo4">
Locators alternate between ULA and GUA addresses.</li></ul>
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
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ly: Calibri, sans-serif;">
So, in use-case 5, the SR path would be:</p>
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Segment 1: Locator ULA, instruction END</li><li class=3D"x_xxmsolistparagra=
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Segment 2: Locator GUA, instruction END.X</li><li class=3D"x_xxmsolistparag=
raph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-f=
amily: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; margin-bottom:0in; mso-list:l2 l=
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Segment 3: Locator ULA, instruction END</li><li class=3D"x_xxmsolistparagra=
ph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-fam=
ily: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; margin-bottom:0in; mso-list:l2 lev=
el1 lfo5">
Segment 4: Locator GUA, instruction END.X</li><li class=3D"x_xxmsolistparag=
raph" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-f=
amily: Calibri, sans-serif;margin-top:0in; margin-bottom:0in; mso-list:l2 l=
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Segment 5: Locator ULA, instruction END.DT4</li></ul>
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As stated in the metric, it counts the number of FIB entries, and I think t=
hat's the right level of granularity.
The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of additional FIB entrie=
s (states) required by the proposed solution.

Given a set of node parameters "number of nodes in the network, number of l=
ocal interface, number of adjacencies"

More forwarding state requires more resources in the ASICs. More forwarding=
 state to maintain and update as part of operations in scaled deployments h=
ave an impact on the scale and performance that can be provided by an imple=
mentation. These are important considerations for costs when merchant silic=
on and white-box deployments are increasing.

Darren

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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 8:41 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes); Chengli (Cheng Li); Ron Bonica; srcomp
Subject: RE: Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY

Darren,

This rationale is much better. Does it imply that the metric  should be sta=
ted in terms of bytes of memory required to support a network of a given si=
ze?

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                        ROn



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Hi everyone, the rationale was transcribed incorrectly from the original em=
ail to the spreadsheet/document.  The email stated:

Rationale: Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are both imp=
ortant.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issues in i=
mplementations.

This can be improved to take an operators point of view:

Rationale: Increasing the forwarding state in an ASIC results in an increas=
e in memory usage.  Greater memory usage can result in greater costs for op=
erators, or limit functionality.

Darren

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ehalf of Chengli (Cheng Li) <c.l@huawei.com<mailto:c.l@huawei.com>>
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 5:57 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D40j=
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Subject: Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY


Hi Ron,



We may try to provide some text of rationale before dropping it?



I think the state efficiency is important for a solution. But some optimiza=
tions can reduce the state of a solution for sure.



How about let=92s try to provide a better rationale and metric. When we are=
 analyzing solutions, some conditions can be provided to adjust the results=
?





I try to add some text of the rationale.



   o  Rationale: Additional state will increase the complexity of control p=
lane and data plane at a node. Also, removing per-flow state at middle node=
s is the key advantage of SR architecture, which can simplify the network. =
The compression solution SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.



Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to the number of FIB entries? I =
doubt that.



   o  Metric:The state efficiency metric (S) records the number of

      additional FIB entries (states) required by the proposed solution.



      *  S(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a

         node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of

         nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of

         adjacencies.





Respect,

Cheng











From: Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ron Bonica
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY



Folks,



The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.



The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.



Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.





                                             Ron





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<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.i=
etf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;; srcomp &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY</=
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Hi Ron,</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">We may try to provide some text of rationale =
before dropping it?</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I think the state efficiency is important for=
 a solution. But some optimizations can reduce the state of a solution for =
sure.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">How about let=92s try to provide a better rat=
ionale and metric. When we are analyzing solutions, some conditions can be =
provided to adjust the results?</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">I try to add some text of the rationale.</spa=
n></p>
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 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Rationale: Addition=
al state will increase the complexity of control plane and data plane at a =
node. Also, removing per-flow state at middle nodes is the key advantage of=
 SR architecture, which can simplify the network.
 The compression solution SHOULD NOT introduce extra state.</span></p>
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 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Regarding the Metric, does the state equal to=
 the number of FIB entries? I doubt that.</span></p>
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 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp; o&nbsp; Metric:The state ef=
ficiency metric (S) records the number of</span></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; additiona=
l FIB entries (states) required by the proposed solution.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; *&nbsp; S=
(node parameters): the number of additional FIB entries for a</span></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; node, given a set of node parameters consisting of number of</span=
></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; nodes in the network, number of local interface, number of</span><=
/p>
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 Calibri, sans-serif;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-family:SimSun">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp; adjacencies.</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Respect,</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Cheng</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal" style=3D"margin: 0in; font-size: 11pt; font-family:=
 Calibri, sans-serif;">
<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<span style=3D"color:#1F497D">&nbsp;</span></p>
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<b>From:</b> Srcomp [<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:srco=
mp-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ron Bonica<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 24, 2020 3:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on 3.1.3. REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY</p>
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Folks,</p>
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The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.</p>
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The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can i=
nfer how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It i=
gnores the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organization=
s will have more FIB entries than others.</p>
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Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.<=
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Hi Ron, the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and he=
ader parsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost.  =
These are things that operators tell me they care about and that we should =
analyze.

Let's change the rationale to reflect this.

Rationale: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding=
 rate and functionality of many ASICS.
Parsing multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the=
 forwarding rate and functionality of many ASICs.
These may translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.

During the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lo=
okups would be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the a=
nalysis phase of this team's output.

Darren
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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D4=
0juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:06 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY


Folks,



The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:



  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.



D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC=92s it is extremely inexpensive=
 on others. Retaining this metric doesn=92t optimize the solution for opera=
tors. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can=92t parse additi=
onal extension headers efficiently.



D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.



Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer=92s. The network operator doesn=92t care how=
 many headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:



  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs



Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.



                                                                           =
                Ron








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Hi Ron, the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and he=
ader parsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost. &=
nbsp;These are things that operators tell me they care about and that we sh=
ould analyze.
<div><br>
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<div>Let's change the rationale to reflect this.</div>
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<div>Rationale: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwa=
rding rate and functionality of many ASICS.</div>
<div>Parsing multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can imped=
e the forwarding rate and functionality of many ASICs.</div>
<div>These may translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.</=
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>During the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how ma=
ny lookups would be required and their type, but this is analysis work for =
the analysis phase of this team's output. &nbsp;
<br>
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same for me
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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM
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Subject: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid


Folks,



Is anyone else having trouble signing into the zoom meeting?



                        ROn


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could you try:

https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1378961418?pwd=3DUUdYZ3lzb1B2ejJIdWs1WmFMUXFCdz0=
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=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid
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same for me

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rcomp <srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid =20


Folks,


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Is anyone else having trouble signing into the zoom meeting?


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<p><br/>could you try:</p><p><a href=3D"https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/13789614=
18?pwd=3DUUdYZ3lzb1B2ejJIdWs1WmFMUXFCdz09">https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/13789=
61418?pwd=3DUUdYZ3lzb1B2ejJIdWs1WmFMUXFCdz09</a></p><p><br/></p><p><br/></p=
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Ron&nbsp;Bonica&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;,s=
rcomp&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br/><strong>=E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=
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=B4=EF=BC=9A</strong>2020-09-28 21:02:29<br/><strong>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=
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 &nbsp;<div style=3D"font-family: Calibri , Arial , Helvetica , sans-serif;=
font-size: 12.0pt;color: rgb(0,0,0);">same for me</div><hr style=3D"width: =
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srcomp-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica=3D40juniper=
.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br/> <strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, September 28, 2=
020 8:58 AM<br/> <strong>To:</strong> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br/> <=
strong>Subject:</strong> [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid</span> &nbsp;</div><=
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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>, "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Ron Bonica <rbonica=40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>, srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
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Let's give the chairs a minute to figure it out



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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Henderickx, Wim (Nokia =
- BE/Antwerp)
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Ron Bonica=
 <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

Should I send a Teams meet?

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com<m=
ailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com>>
Date: Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:04
To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:ddu=
kes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>, Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dma=
rc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>, "srcomp@ietf.o=
rg<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>" <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

Same here. Also the new one does not work for me

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailt=
o:ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:02
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D40j=
uniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>, "srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>" <src=
omp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

same for me
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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid


Folks,



Is anyone else having trouble signing into the zoom meeting?



                        ROn


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Let&#8217;s give the chairs a minute to figure it ou=
t<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Srcomp &lt;srcomp-bounces@ietf.org&gt; =
<b>On Behalf Of
</b>Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt=
;; Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;; srcomp &lt;sr=
comp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Should I send a Teams meet?<o:p></o:p></p>
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f=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of &quot;Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</=
a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:04<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;Darren Dukes (ddukes)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ddukes=
=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;,=
 Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">r=
bonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:srco=
mp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&quot;
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Same here. Also the new one does not work for me<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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: </span></b><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Srcomp &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on beh=
alf of &quot;Darren Dukes (ddukes)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ddukes=3D40c=
isco.com@dmarc.ietf.org">ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:02<br>
<b>To: </b>Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.i=
etf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srco=
mp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">same fo=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
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g">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc=
.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Is anyone else having trouble signing into the zoom=
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You and I both have teams installed. Not sure about the others.

                      Ron




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From: Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) <wim.henderickx@nokia.com>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:09 AM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cis=
co.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>=
; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

Ok I send a placeholder in case as a backup

From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net<mailto:rbonica@juniper.net>>
Date: Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:08
To: "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com<mailto=
:wim.henderickx@nokia.com>>, "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@=
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o:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

Let's give the chairs a minute to figure it out



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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07 AM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:dduke=
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etf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

[External Email. Be cautious of content]

Should I send a Teams meet?

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of "Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)" <wim.henderickx@nokia.com<m=
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Date: Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:04
To: "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:ddu=
kes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>, Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dma=
rc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>, "srcomp@ietf.o=
rg<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>" <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

Same here. Also the new one does not work for me

From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of "Darren Dukes (ddukes)" <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailt=
o:ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Date: Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:02
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=3D40j=
uniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>, "srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>" <src=
omp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid

same for me
________________________________
From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid


Folks,



Is anyone else having trouble signing into the zoom meeting?



                        ROn


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp) &l=
t;wim.henderickx@nokia.com&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 9:09 AM<br>
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:08<br>
<b>To: </b>&quot;Henderickx, Wim (Nokia - BE/Antwerp)&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</a>&gt;, &quot;Da=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Should I send a Teams meet?<o:p></o:p></p>
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 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:wim.henderickx@nokia.com">wim.henderickx@nokia.com</=
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:04<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Same here. Also the new one does not work for me<o:p=
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<b>Date: </b>Monday, 28 September 2020 at 15:02<br>
<b>To: </b>Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.i=
etf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"m=
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I spoke with Weiqiang and Chongfeng, we wll use my meeting room</div>
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Darren</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07 AM<br>
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could you try:</p>
<p><a href=3D"https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1378961418?pwd=3DUUdYZ3lzb1B2ejJId=
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<strong>=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</strong>&quot;Darren&nbsp;Dukes&nbsp;\\(dd=
ukes\\)&quot;&nbsp;&lt;ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br>
<strong>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB=A3=BA</strong>Ron&nbsp;Bonica&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;rbo=
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<strong>=B3=AD=A1=A1=CB=CD: </strong>(=CE=DE)<br>
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<strong>=D6=F7=CC=E2=A3=BA</strong>Re:&nbsp;[Srcomp]&nbsp;meeting&nbsp;ID&n=
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same for me</div>
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<strong>Sent:</strong> Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM<br>
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Thanks Darren, Let39s try webex of Darren.


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=E6=97=A0)=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2020-09-28 21:11:09=
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I spoke with Weiqiang and Chongfeng, we wll use my meeting room

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cisco.webex.com/meet/ddukes

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Darren



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7 AM To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Srcomp] meeting ID not vali=
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=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9ARon Bonica  <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dm=
arc.ietf.org>,srcomp  <srcomp@ietf.org> =E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=80=81: (=E6=
=97=A0) =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2020-09-28 21:02:29 =
=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid =20
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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D4=
0juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM To: s=
rcomp <srcomp@ietf.org> Subject: [Srcomp] meeting ID not valid =20


Folks,


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Is anyone else having trouble signing into the zoom meeting?


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<p><br/>Thanks Darren, Let&#39;s try webex of Darren.</p><div id=3D"divsign=
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=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A</strong>2020-09-28 21:11:09<br/><strong>=E4=B8=
=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A</strong>Re:&nbsp;[Srcomp]&nbsp;meeting&nbsp;ID&nbsp;n=
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size: 12.0pt;color: rgb(0,0,0);">Darren</div><div id=3D"appendonsend"></div=
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-family:Calibri, sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;;color:#000000"><strong>From:=
</strong> Srcomp &lt;srcomp-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on behalf of =E7=A8=8B=E4=
=BC=9F=E5=BC=BA &lt;chengweiqiang@chinamobile.com&gt;<br/> <strong>Sent:</s=
trong> Monday, September 28, 2020 9:07 AM<br/> <strong>To:</strong> srcomp =
&lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br/> <strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [Srcomp] meeting=
 ID not valid</span> <div>&nbsp;</div></div><div><p><br/> could you try:</p=
><p><a href=3D"https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1378961418?pwd=3DUUdYZ3lzb1B2ejJI=
dWs1WmFMUXFCdz09">https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1378961418?pwd=3DUUdYZ3lzb1B2e=
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niper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;,srcomp&nbsp;&nbsp;&lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br/>=
 <strong>=E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=80=81: </strong>(=E6=97=A0)<br/> <strong>=E5=
=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A</strong>2020-09-28 21:02:29<br/>=
 <strong>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9A</strong>Re:&nbsp;[Srcomp]&nbsp;meeting=
&nbsp;ID&nbsp;not&nbsp;valid<br/> <br/> &nbsp;<div style=3D"font-family: Ca=
libri , Arial , Helvetica , sans-serif;font-size: 12.0pt;color: rgb(0,0,0);=
">same for me</div><hr style=3D"width: 98.0%;"/><div id=3D"x_divRplyFwdMsg"=
><span style=3D"font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;font-size: 11.0pt;color: =
#000000;"><strong>From:</strong> Srcomp &lt;srcomp-bounces@ietf.org&gt; on =
behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br/> <s=
trong>Sent:</strong> Monday, September 28, 2020 8:58 AM<br/> <strong>To:</s=
trong> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br/> <strong>Subject:</strong> [Srcom=
p] meeting ID not valid</span> &nbsp;</div><div><div class=3D"x_x_WordSecti=
on1"><p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">Folks,</p><p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;=
</p><p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">Is anyone else having trouble signing into t=
he zoom meeting?</p><p class=3D"x_x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p><p class=3D"x_x_Ms=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RO=
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margin: 0;"><span style=3D"font-size: 7.0pt;font-family: Calibri;color: #00=
0000;">Juniper Business Use Only</span></p></div></div></blockquote><p><br/=
></p></div></blockquote><!-- endblock name=3D"headerinfo" --><p></p>
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Hi Team,

Here is the draft for the minutes:

Srcomp meeting
2020-09-28 13:00 UTC

Status: draft

Attendees:
- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]
- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present]
- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]
- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]
- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]
- Peng Shaofu of ZTE [absent]
- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]
- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]


# Discussing document

Section 3.1.1
- Using the rationale as suggested by Ron in
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/BZ97n7IHDpbptz7KB77P1WluHps/
- Discussion about the metric
-- Report both number of bytes and the compression ratio in analysis
-- Adding intro text that use cases are defined in (or before) analysis
-- Wim will write a proposal for that


Section 3.1.2
- Discussion about metrics and how to keep them meaningful to operators
- Split D.LKU into LPM and indexed lookup
- Discussion not concluded yet


Cheers,
Sander


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Darren,

Consider D.PRS. You may be able to say that Compression Mechanism A uses on=
ly a Routing Header while Compression Mechanism B uses a Routing Header and=
 a Destination Options Header (DOH). But what does that really mean?

Some would argue that it must cost *something* to process the DOH. Therefor=
e, using one extension header must be better than using two. However, it th=
e cost of processing the DOH is close enough to zero, D.PRS isn't worth con=
sidering. Furthermore, you would mislead the reader if you reported D.PRS w=
ithout mentioning that its cost was extremely minimal.

The cost of processing the DOH can be measured on the ingress nodes, transi=
t nodes, segment endpoint nodes, and the destination node. The following ar=
e metrics on my platform:


  *   On ingress nodes, the cost is zero, provided that using two extension=
 header types doesn't increase the size of the packet beyond an 128-byte bo=
undary
  *   On transit nodes,  the cost is zero because transit nodes don't proce=
ss extension headers
  *   On segment endpoint nodes, the cost is zero, because segment endpoint=
 nodes don't process DOH
  *   On the egress node, the cost is minimal. It is equal to the sum of th=
e following costs:
     *   Examining Segments Left in the Routing header
     *   Calculating the starting address of the DOH

                                                                           =
                           Ron



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Hi Ron, the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and he=
ader parsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost.  =
These are things that operators tell me they care about and that we should =
analyze.

Let's change the rationale to reflect this.

Rationale: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding=
 rate and functionality of many ASICS.
Parsing multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the=
 forwarding rate and functionality of many ASICs.
These may translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.

During the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lo=
okups would be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the a=
nalysis phase of this team's output.

Darren
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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
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Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:06 PM
To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY


Folks,



The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:



  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.



D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC's it is extremely inexpensive o=
n others. Retaining this metric doesn't optimize the solution for operators=
. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can't parse additional e=
xtension headers efficiently.



D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.



Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer's. The network operator doesn't care how man=
y headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:



  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs



Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.



                                                                           =
                Ron








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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darren,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Consider D.PRS. You may be able to say that Compress=
ion Mechanism A uses only a Routing Header while Compression Mechanism B us=
es a Routing Header and a Destination Options Header (DOH). But what does t=
hat really mean?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some would argue that it must cost *<b>something</b>=
* to process the DOH. Therefore, using one extension header must be better =
than using two. However, it the cost of processing the DOH is close enough =
to zero, D.PRS isn&#8217;t worth considering.
 Furthermore, you would mislead the reader if you reported D.PRS without me=
ntioning that its cost was extremely minimal.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The cost of processing the DOH can be measured on th=
e ingress nodes, transit nodes, segment endpoint nodes, and the destination=
 node. The following are metrics on my platform:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo3">On ingress nodes, the cost is zero, provided that using two extension=
 header types doesn&#8217;t increase the size of the packet beyond an 128-b=
yte boundary<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-=
left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo3">On transit nodes,&nbsp; the cost is zero =
because transit nodes don&#8217;t process extension headers<o:p></o:p></li>=
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 =
lfo3">On segment endpoint nodes, the cost is zero, because segment endpoint=
 nodes don&#8217;t process DOH<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph=
" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo3">On the egress node, the=
 cost is minimal. It is equal to the sum of the following costs:<o:p></o:p>=
</li><ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"circle">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level2 =
lfo3">Examining Segments Left in the Routing header<o:p></o:p></li><li clas=
s=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level2 lfo3">Ca=
lculating the starting address of the DOH<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
</ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"msipfooter30b3d538" align=3D"center" style=3D"margin:0in;text-a=
lign:center">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</span=
><o:p></o:p></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40ci=
sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 2:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Ron,=
 the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and header pa=
rsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost. &nbsp;Th=
ese are things that operators tell me they
 care about and that we should analyze. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Let's c=
hange the rationale to reflect this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Rationa=
le: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding rate a=
nd functionality of many ASICS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Parsing=
 multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the forwar=
ding rate and functionality of many ASICs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">These m=
ay translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">During =
the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lookups w=
ould be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the analysis=
 phase of this team's output. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Darren&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.or=
g">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc=
.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY</span> <o:p></=
o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY =
are invalid. Currently, the metrics are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo6">D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proc=
essing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">D.LKU(segment list): wors=
t-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list.<o:p></o=
:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension heade=
r is expensive on all ASICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC&#8217;s=
 it is extremely inexpensive on others. Retaining this metric doesn&#8217;t=
 optimize the solution for operators. It merely
 creates an advantage for the ASIC that can&#8217;t parse additional extens=
ion headers efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how =
many lookups a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fa=
ct that the FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermo=
re, it fails to make a distinction
 between longest match lookups and index lookups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Finally, this requirement should be stated from the=
 network operators perspective, not the ASIC developer&#8217;s. The network=
 operator doesn&#8217;t care how many headers were parsed or how many looku=
ps were execute. It cares about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1=
 lfo9">How many packet per second the ASIC can process<o:p></o:p></li><li c=
lass=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9=
">How much power the ASIC consumes<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistpara=
graph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">How much heat the =
ASIC generates<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"marg=
in-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo9">How much the ASIC costs<o:p></o:p></li=
></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Unless we can develop better metric for this requir=
ement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Folks,

It would be helpful if folks would post their comments on requirements well=
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Posting comments an hour before the meeting isn't very helpful. Some of us =
will not have even read the comment before the meeting.

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Darren,

Consider P.LKU. On may platforms, some lookups are more expensive than othe=
rs. For example:


  *   Longest Match Lookups (e.g., IPv6, IPv4) are relatively expensive
  *   Indexed Lookups (e.g., MPLS) are relatively inexpensive.

If you want to keep this metric, you should at least split it into the foll=
owing:


  *   D.LKU-LM (segment list): number of Longest Match FIB lookups during p=
rocessing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU-I (segment list): number of Indexed FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.



You might also want to mention that Indexed lookups are less expensive than=
 longest most platforms.



                                                                           =
    Ron





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Subject: Re: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY

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Hi Ron, the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and he=
ader parsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost.  =
These are things that operators tell me they care about and that we should =
analyze.

Let's change the rationale to reflect this.

Rationale: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding=
 rate and functionality of many ASICS.
Parsing multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the=
 forwarding rate and functionality of many ASICs.
These may translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.

During the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lo=
okups would be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the a=
nalysis phase of this team's output.

Darren
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To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY


Folks,



The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:



  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.



D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC's it is extremely inexpensive o=
n others. Retaining this metric doesn't optimize the solution for operators=
. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can't parse additional e=
xtension headers efficiently.



D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.



Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer's. The network operator doesn't care how man=
y headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:



  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs



Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.



                                                                           =
                Ron








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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Darren,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Consider P.LKU. On may platforms, some lookups are m=
ore expensive than others. For example:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo3">Longest Match Lookups (e.g., IPv6, IPv4) are relatively expensive<o:p=
></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-lis=
t:l2 level1 lfo3">Indexed Lookups (e.g., MPLS) are relatively inexpensive.<=
o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If you want to keep this metric, you should at least=
 split it into the following:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo3">D.LKU-LM (segment list): number of Longest Match FIB lookups during =
processing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagra=
ph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo3">D.LKU-I (segment list=
): number of Indexed FIB lookups during processing of the segment list.<o:p=
></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in">You might also wan=
t to mention that Indexed lookups are less expensive than longest most plat=
forms.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p><=
/p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40ci=
sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 2:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Ron,=
 the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and header pa=
rsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost. &nbsp;Th=
ese are things that operators tell me they
 care about and that we should analyze. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Let's c=
hange the rationale to reflect this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Rationa=
le: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding rate a=
nd functionality of many ASICS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Parsing=
 multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the forwar=
ding rate and functionality of many ASICs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">These m=
ay translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">During =
the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lookups w=
ould be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the analysis=
 phase of this team's output. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Darren&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.or=
g">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc=
.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY</span> <o:p></=
o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY =
are invalid. Currently, the metrics are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1=
 lfo7">D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proc=
essing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l5 level1 lfo7">D.LKU(segment list): wors=
t-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list.<o:p></o=
:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension heade=
r is expensive on all ASICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC&#8217;s=
 it is extremely inexpensive on others. Retaining this metric doesn&#8217;t=
 optimize the solution for operators. It merely
 creates an advantage for the ASIC that can&#8217;t parse additional extens=
ion headers efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how =
many lookups a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fa=
ct that the FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermo=
re, it fails to make a distinction
 between longest match lookups and index lookups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Finally, this requirement should be stated from the=
 network operators perspective, not the ASIC developer&#8217;s. The network=
 operator doesn&#8217;t care how many headers were parsed or how many looku=
ps were execute. It cares about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1=
 lfo10">How many packet per second the ASIC can process<o:p></o:p></li><li =
class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo=
10">How much power the ASIC consumes<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistpa=
ragraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">How much heat t=
he ASIC generates<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"m=
argin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo10">How much the ASIC costs<o:p></o:p>=
</li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Unless we can develop better metric for this requir=
ement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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Folks,

If we retain these metrics, we should also include:


  *   P.BSF - The number of bit shifts required
  *   P.EX0 - Number of fields in the routing header that must be examined =
when Segment Left is equal to 0
  *   P.EX1 - Number of fields in the routing header that must be examined =
when Segment Left is greater than 1

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Hi Ron, the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and he=
ader parsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost.  =
These are things that operators tell me they care about and that we should =
analyze.

Let's change the rationale to reflect this.

Rationale: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding=
 rate and functionality of many ASICS.
Parsing multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the=
 forwarding rate and functionality of many ASICs.
These may translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.

During the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lo=
okups would be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the a=
nalysis phase of this team's output.

Darren
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Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY


Folks,



The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:



  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.



D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC's it is extremely inexpensive o=
n others. Retaining this metric doesn't optimize the solution for operators=
. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can't parse additional e=
xtension headers efficiently.



D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.



Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer's. The network operator doesn't care how man=
y headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:



  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs



Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.



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<div class=3D"WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">If we retain these metrics, we should also include:<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 =
lfo3">P.BSF &#8211; The number of bit shifts required<o:p></o:p></li><li cl=
ass=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">=
P.EX0 &#8211; Number of fields in the routing header that must be examined =
when Segment Left is equal to 0<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagrap=
h" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">P.EX1 &#8211; Number o=
f fields in the routing header that must be examined when Segment Left is g=
reater than 1<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
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p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40ci=
sco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 2:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"line-height:12.0pt;background:#FFEB9C"><b><=
span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif;colo=
r:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Hi Ron,=
 the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and header pa=
rsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost. &nbsp;Th=
ese are things that operators tell me they
 care about and that we should analyze. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Let's c=
hange the rationale to reflect this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Rationa=
le: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding rate a=
nd functionality of many ASICS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Parsing=
 multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the forwar=
ding rate and functionality of many ASICs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">These m=
ay translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">During =
the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lookups w=
ould be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the analysis=
 phase of this team's output. &nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Darren&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 style=3D"color:black"> Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.or=
g">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc=
.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY</span> <o:p></=
o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY =
are invalid. Currently, the metrics are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1=
 lfo6">D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proc=
essing of the segment list.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" =
style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">D.LKU(segment list): wors=
t-case number of FIB lookups during processing of the segment list.<o:p></o=
:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension heade=
r is expensive on all ASICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC&#8217;s=
 it is extremely inexpensive on others. Retaining this metric doesn&#8217;t=
 optimize the solution for operators. It merely
 creates an advantage for the ASIC that can&#8217;t parse additional extens=
ion headers efficiently.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how =
many lookups a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fa=
ct that the FIB can be optimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermo=
re, it fails to make a distinction
 between longest match lookups and index lookups.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Finally, this requirement should be stated from the=
 network operators perspective, not the ASIC developer&#8217;s. The network=
 operator doesn&#8217;t care how many headers were parsed or how many looku=
ps were execute. It cares about:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1=
 lfo9">How many packet per second the ASIC can process<o:p></o:p></li><li c=
lass=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9=
">How much power the ASIC consumes<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistpara=
graph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9">How much heat the =
ASIC generates<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"marg=
in-left:0in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9">How much the ASIC costs<o:p></o:p></li=
></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Unless we can develop better metric for this requir=
ement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
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sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Folks,

In https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/t9a7SRMaq0XNWdpT7ILBpx1hkW0=
/, Darren offers the following rationale for this requirement:

                "Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are bo=
th important.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to issue=
s in implementations."

While this rationale admits a conflict between forwarding efficiency and st=
ate efficiency, it doesn't tell us *why* state efficiency is important. We =
all know, intuitively that it is important, but until we can articulate why=
 it is important, we really don't know how to measure it.

When we strive for state efficiency, we might:


  1.  Minimize the number of FIB entries required to support a segment
  2.  Minimize the amount of FIB storage required support a segment
  3.  Minimize the amount of information required to support a segment

There is a conflict between 1 and 2. Assume that a Node A sends the exact s=
ame control plane stream to Nodes B and C. It contains some amount of infor=
mation.

Node B stores the stream in a flat FIB structure. The FIB contains an IP Pr=
efix Table and the IP Prefix table contains one entry for each reachable pr=
efix. An IP prefix table entry contains the IP prefix plus many bytes of in=
formation describing each next-hop through which the prefix is reachable.

Node C store the stream in a normalized FIB structure. This contains an IP =
prefix table and a next-hop table. The IP Prefix table contains one entry f=
or each reachable prefix. It also contains one entry for each next-hop. Eac=
h IP Prefix table entry contains an IP prefix plus a pointer for each next-=
hop through which the prefix is reachable. Each Next-hop entry many bytes o=
f information describing each next-hop.

The FIB on Node B contains fewer FIB entries but consumes more storage. The=
 FIB on Node C contains more FIB entries but consumes less storage. Both co=
ntain the exact same information.

So, when we optimize for state efficiency, which should we count, FIB entri=
es, storage, or information. Darren suggests FIB entries. Why is this more =
important than storage or information?

Also, any data structure can be flattened to the point that it contains onl=
y one FIB entry. Is that what we want. When we measure state efficiency, wh=
at level of flattening or normalization do we assume. Why?

                                                                           =
       Ron





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Folks,

The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.

The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.

Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/=
srcomp/t9a7SRMaq0XNWdpT7ILBpx1hkW0/">
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/t9a7SRMaq0XNWdpT7ILBpx1hkW0/</=
a>, Darren offers the following rationale for this requirement:<o:p></o:p><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#8220;Efficiency in bits on the wir=
e and forwarding state are both important.&nbsp; Optimizing one at the expe=
nse of the other may lead to issues in implementations.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">While this rationale admits a conflict between forwa=
rding efficiency and state efficiency, it doesn&#8217;t tell us *<b>why</b>=
* state efficiency is important. We all know, intuitively that it is import=
ant, but until we can articulate why it
 is important, we really don&#8217;t know how to measure it.<br>
<br>
When we strive for state efficiency, we might:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">There is a conflict between 1 and 2. Assume that a N=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Node B stores the stream in a flat FIB structure. Th=
e FIB contains an IP Prefix Table and the IP Prefix table contains one entr=
y for each reachable prefix. An IP prefix table entry contains the IP prefi=
x plus many bytes of information describing
 each next-hop through which the prefix is reachable.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Node C store the stream in a normalized FIB structur=
e. This contains an IP prefix table and a next-hop table. The IP Prefix tab=
le contains one entry for each reachable prefix. It also contains one entry=
 for each next-hop. Each IP Prefix
 table entry contains an IP prefix plus a pointer for each next-hop through=
 which the prefix is reachable. Each Next-hop entry many bytes of informati=
on describing each next-hop.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The FIB on Node B contains fewer FIB entries but con=
sumes more storage. The FIB on Node C contains more FIB entries but consume=
s less storage. Both contain the exact same information.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">So, when we optimize for state efficiency, which sho=
uld we count, FIB entries, storage, or information. Darren suggests FIB ent=
ries. Why is this more important than storage or information?<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Also, any data structure can be flattened to the poi=
nt that it contains only one FIB entry. Is that what we want. When we measu=
re state efficiency, what level of flattening or normalization do we assume=
. Why?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The description and the rationale are identical. Lac=
king rationale to justify this requirement, we should drop it.<o:p></o:p></=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY=
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echanism requires. It ignores the fact that a FIB can be organized in many =
ways. Some organizations will have more
 FIB entries than others.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirem=
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Folks,

I am wondering whether this is a migration requirement or a functional requ=
irement.

In the rationale, I think that the author might be thinking about the follo=
wing scenario:


  *   An SR domain contains IS-IS levels
  *   Initially, all levels deploy SR-MPLS
  *   One at a time, each level migrates from SR-MPLS to SRv6

This rationale would lead us to believe that we are looking at a migration =
requirement.

However, the following scenario is also possible:


  *   A greenfield network contains IS-IS levels
  *   For reasons beyond the scope of this document (e.g., hardware price),=
 it makes sense to deploy SR-MPLS in some levels and SRv6 in others
  *   No migration is planned

In this scenario, we are looking at a functional requirement.

                                                         Ron



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I am wondering whether this is a migration requireme=
nt or a functional requirement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In the rationale, I think that the author might be t=
hinking about the following scenario:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1">An SR domain contains IS-IS levels<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoLis=
tParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">Initially, al=
l levels deploy SR-MPLS<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=
=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">One at a time, each level migr=
ates from SR-MPLS to SRv6<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This rationale would lead us to believe that we are =
looking at a migration requirement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">However, the following scenario is also possible:<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo1">A greenfield network contains IS-IS levels<o:p></o:p></li><li class=
=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">For=
 reasons beyond the scope of this document (e.g., hardware price), it makes=
 sense to deploy SR-MPLS in some levels and SRv6 in others<o:p></o:p></li><=
li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 l=
fo1">No migration is planned<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">In this scenario, we are looking at a functional req=
uirement.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Folks,

Two weeks ago, didn't we agree to divide section 3.2 (Migration) into two b=
road subsections. One subsection describes requirements that benefit all po=
tential users. The other benefits the subset of potential users who have al=
ready deployed classic SRv6.

I think that REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00 belongs to the second subsection.

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Two weeks ago, didn&#8217;t we agree to divide secti=
on 3.2 (Migration) into two broad subsections. One subsection describes req=
uirements that benefit all potential users. The other benefits the subset o=
f potential users who have already deployed
 classic SRv6.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00 belongs to=
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Folks,

I think that the metrics may go even further. How about:


  *   The compression mechanism must be a functional replacement for legacy=
 SRv6 (i.e., it must be able to support any SR path supported in legacy SRv=
6)
  *   Within a single network, it must be possible to configure some SR pat=
hs that use classic SRv6 encoding and other paths that use the compression =
mechanism
  *   It must be possible for a single node to process both of the above-me=
ntioned path types

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Folks,

REQ-8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION-01 also belongs in this section. I am wonder=
ing how it is different from REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00.

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Subject: Document format

Folks,

Two weeks ago, didn't we agree to divide section 3.2 (Migration) into two b=
road subsections. One subsection describes requirements that benefit all po=
tential users. The other benefits the subset of potential users who have al=
ready deployed classic SRv6.

I think that REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00 belongs to the second subsection.

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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 29, 2020 4:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Two weeks ago, didn&#8217;t we agree to divide secti=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I think that REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00 belongs to=
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Folks,

REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST also belongs in this section.

                                   Ron




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Folks,

REQ-8-26-SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION-01 also belongs in this section. I am wonder=
ing how it is different from REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00.

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Subject: Document format

Folks,

Two weeks ago, didn't we agree to divide section 3.2 (Migration) into two b=
road subsections. One subsection describes requirements that benefit all po=
tential users. The other benefits the subset of potential users who have al=
ready deployed classic SRv6.

I think that REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00 belongs to the second subsection.

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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 29, 2020 4:17 PM<br>
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Folk,

The rationale for this requirement are dubious.

You are proposing that SR ingress nodes must support the following SR encod=
ing:


  *   Legacy SRv6
  *   Compressed
  *   Hybrids containing Legacy encoding features and compressed encoding f=
eatures

The rational are:


  *   That this supports one particular transition strategies
  *   That some nodes may not require compression

Other, more frequently deployed transition strategies are available. And wh=
at is the motivation for using classing encoding when compression is availa=
ble?

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Folk,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The rationale for this requirement are dubious.<o:p>=
</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">You are proposing that SR ingress nodes must support=
 the following SR encoding:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0in" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo3">Legacy SRv6<o:p></o:p></li><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"ma=
rgin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Compressed<o:p></o:p></li><li class=
=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">Hyb=
rids containing Legacy encoding features and compressed encoding features<o=
:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The rational are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo3">That this supports one particular transition strategies<o:p></o:p></l=
i><li class=3D"MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level=
1 lfo3">That some nodes may not require compression<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Other, more frequently deployed transition strategie=
s are available. And what is the motivation for using classing encoding whe=
n compression is available?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi Ron, I don't see why you would propose the inclusion of the existing met=
rics be dependent on adding additional metrics...

However, if I generalize your proposed metric it comes out to:
- At a segment endpoint a packet is received
- if It is destined to a local SID
  - For each header/extension header processed
     Count the number of read and write operations to process the header

Any source routing solution requires a segment endpoint node to perform:
- some number of lookups to identify the segment,
- some number of headers to be parsed,
- an IPv6 header Destination Address rewrite.

I don't see how you can quantify read and write operations during header pr=
ocessing.
Simply counting the headers processed should be sufficient as an approximat=
ion of the forwarding efficiency and your proposed metrics.

Darren

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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 3:03 PM
To: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes@cisco.com>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY


Folks,



If we retain these metrics, we should also include:



  *   P.BSF =96 The number of bit shifts required
  *   P.EX0 =96 Number of fields in the routing header that must be examine=
d when Segment Left is equal to 0
  *   P.EX1 =96 Number of fields in the routing header that must be examine=
d when Segment Left is greater than 1



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From: Darren Dukes (ddukes) <ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
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To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>; srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org>
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Hi Ron, the metrics in this requirement are indeed valid, as lookups and he=
ader parsing can directly translate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost.  =
These are things that operators tell me they care about and that we should =
analyze.



Let's change the rationale to reflect this.



Rationale: Performing multiple lookups per packet can impede the forwarding=
 rate and functionality of many ASICS.

Parsing multiple headers per packet to perform those lookups can impede the=
 forwarding rate and functionality of many ASICs.

These may translate to reduced pps or increased costs for operators.



During the analysis of each proposal, it can be determined just how many lo=
okups would be required and their type, but this is analysis work for the a=
nalysis phase of this team's output.



Darren

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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org>> on b=
ehalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:rbonica=
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To: srcomp <srcomp@ietf.org<mailto:srcomp@ietf.org>>
Subject: [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY



Folks,



The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:



  *   D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during proce=
ssing of the segment list.
  *   D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processi=
ng of the segment list.



D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC=92s it is extremely inexpensive=
 on others. Retaining this metric doesn=92t optimize the solution for opera=
tors. It merely creates an advantage for the ASIC that can=92t parse additi=
onal extension headers efficiently.



D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match lookups and index lookups.



Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer=92s. The network operator doesn=92t care how=
 many headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:



  *   How many packet per second the ASIC can process
  *   How much power the ASIC consumes
  *   How much heat the ASIC generates
  *   How much the ASIC costs



Unless we can develop better metric for this requirement, we should drop it=
.



                                                                           =
                Ron









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Hi Ron, I don't see why you would propose the inclusion of the existing met=
rics be dependent on adding additional metrics...</div>
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However, if I generalize your proposed metric it comes out to:</div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
- At a segment endpoint a<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: C=
alibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--wh=
ite);">&nbsp;packet is received&nbsp;</span></div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,=
 sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">- if It is destine=
d to a local SID</span></div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,=
 sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">&nbsp; - For each =
header/extension header processed&nbsp;</span><br>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Count the number of read and writ=
e operations t</span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,A=
rial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12pt">o process
 the header</span></div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt"><br>
</span></div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt">Any source routing solution requires a segment endpoi=
nt node to perform:</span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p=
t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt">- some number of lookups to identify the segment,</sp=
an></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p=
t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt">- some number of headers to be parsed,</span></div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt">- an IPv6 header Destination Address rewrite.</span><=
/div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0); font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-s=
erif; font-size:12pt"><br>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,=
 sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">I don't see how yo=
u can quantify read and write operations during header processing. &nbsp;</=
span></div>
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p=
t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica,=
 sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; background: var(--white);">Simply counting th=
e headers processed should be sufficient as an approximation of the forward=
ing efficiency and your proposed metrics.</span></div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif; font-size:12p=
t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
Darren</div>
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t; color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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<div id=3D"divRplyFwdMsg" dir=3D"ltr"><font face=3D"Calibri, sans-serif" co=
lor=3D"#000000" style=3D"font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonic=
a=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 3:03 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes@cisco.com&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcom=
p@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY</font>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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Folks,</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
If we retain these metrics, we should also include:</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
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ze:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; margin-left:0in; mso-list:l4 level=
1 lfo3">
P.BSF =96 The number of bit shifts required</li><li class=3D"x_MsoListParag=
raph" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibr=
i,sans-serif; margin-left:0in; mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">
P.EX0 =96 Number of fields in the routing header that must be examined when=
 Segment Left is equal to 0</li><li class=3D"x_MsoListParagraph" style=3D"m=
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rgin-left:0in; mso-list:l4 level1 lfo3">
P.EX1 =96 Number of fields in the routing header that must be examined when=
 Segment Left is greater than 1</li></ul>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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; margin-bottom: 0px;margin-right:0in; margin-left:0in; font-size:11pt; fon=
t-family:Calibri,sans-serif; margin:0in; text-align:center">
<span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt; color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</spa=
n></p>
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n 0in 0in">
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<b>From:</b> Darren Dukes (ddukes) &lt;ddukes=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org&=
gt; <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 28, 2020 2:37 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica@juniper.net&gt;; srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.o=
rg&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY</p>
</div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; line-height:12.0pt; =
background:#FFEB9C">
<b><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt; font-family:&quot;Lato&quot;,sans-serif=
; color:black">[External Email. Be cautious of content]</span></b></p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Hi Ron, the metrics in this r=
equirement are indeed valid, as lookups and header parsing can directly tra=
nslate to impacts on pps, power, heat, cost. &nbsp;These are things that op=
erators tell me they care about and that
 we should analyze. </span></p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;margi=
n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Let's change the rationale to=
 reflect this.</span></p>
</div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Rationale: Performing multipl=
e lookups per packet can impede the forwarding rate and functionality of ma=
ny ASICS.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;margi=
n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Parsing multiple headers per =
packet to perform those lookups can impede the forwarding rate and function=
ality of many ASICs.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;margi=
n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">These may translate to reduce=
d pps or increased costs for operators.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
<div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">During the analysis of each p=
roposal, it can be determined just how many lookups would be required and t=
heir type, but this is analysis work for the analysis phase of this team's =
output. &nbsp;
</span></p>
</div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Darren&nbsp;</span></p>
</div>
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11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<b><span style=3D"color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"color:black">=
 Srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.=
org</a>&gt; on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40junip=
er.net@dmarc.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:06 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] Comments on REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY</span> </p>
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n:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Folks,</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
The metrics associate with REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY are invalid. Currently, =
the metrics are:</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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<li class=3D"x_xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-s=
ize:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; margin-left:0in; mso-list:l2 leve=
l1 lfo6">
D.PRS(segment list): worst-case number of headers parsed during processing =
of the segment list.</li><li class=3D"x_xmsolistparagraph" style=3D"margin:=
0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif; margin-l=
eft:0in; mso-list:l2 level1 lfo6">
D.LKU(segment list): worst-case number of FIB lookups during processing of =
the segment list.</li></ul>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
D.PRS assumes that parsing a second extension header is expensive on all AS=
ICs. While it may be expensive on some ASIC=92s it is extremely inexpensive=
 on others. Retaining this metric doesn=92t optimize the solution for opera=
tors. It merely creates an advantage
 for the ASIC that can=92t parse additional extension headers efficiently.<=
/p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
D.LKU assumes that it is possible to determine how many lookups a particula=
r compression mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that the FIB can be o=
ptimized to reduce the number of lookups. Furthermore, it fails to make a d=
istinction between longest match
 lookups and index lookups.</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
Finally, this requirement should be stated from the network operators persp=
ective, not the ASIC developer=92s. The network operator doesn=92t care how=
 many headers were parsed or how many lookups were execute. It cares about:=
</p>
<p class=3D"x_xmsonormal" style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;marg=
in:0in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
&nbsp;</p>
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How many packet per second the ASIC can process</li><li class=3D"x_xmsolist=
paragraph" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size:11pt; font-family:C=
alibri,sans-serif; margin-left:0in; mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9">
How much power the ASIC consumes</li><li class=3D"x_xmsolistparagraph" styl=
e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if; margin-left:0in; mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9">
How much heat the ASIC generates</li><li class=3D"x_xmsolistparagraph" styl=
e=3D"margin:0in 0in 0in 0.5in; font-size:11pt; font-family:Calibri,sans-ser=
if; margin-left:0in; mso-list:l3 level1 lfo9">
How much the ASIC costs</li></ul>
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Hey team, I want to point out a few things.

The measurement is not a comparison between B and C, and how they may imple=
ment internal storage structures for forwarding entries.
The measurement is of what B and C must store, regardless of their internal=
 implementation choices.

Take two compression proposals 1 and 2:
proposal 1 requires A to asks B and C to store x entries
proposal 2 requires A to asks B and C to store 2x entries

Clearly proposal 1 requires fewer forwarding entries on both B and C regard=
less of how they arrange their internal storage.

Counting the forwarding entries is a useful way to compare proposals.

Darren
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From: Srcomp <srcomp-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Ron Bonica <rbonica=3D4=
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Folks,



In https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/t9a7SRMaq0XNWdpT7ILBpx1hkW0=
/, Darren offers the following rationale for this requirement:



                =93Efficiency in bits on the wire and forwarding state are =
both important.  Optimizing one at the expense of the other may lead to iss=
ues in implementations.=94



While this rationale admits a conflict between forwarding efficiency and st=
ate efficiency, it doesn=92t tell us *why* state efficiency is important. W=
e all know, intuitively that it is important, but until we can articulate w=
hy it is important, we really don=92t know how to measure it.

When we strive for state efficiency, we might:



  1.  Minimize the number of FIB entries required to support a segment
  2.  Minimize the amount of FIB storage required support a segment
  3.  Minimize the amount of information required to support a segment



There is a conflict between 1 and 2. Assume that a Node A sends the exact s=
ame control plane stream to Nodes B and C. It contains some amount of infor=
mation.



Node B stores the stream in a flat FIB structure. The FIB contains an IP Pr=
efix Table and the IP Prefix table contains one entry for each reachable pr=
efix. An IP prefix table entry contains the IP prefix plus many bytes of in=
formation describing each next-hop through which the prefix is reachable.



Node C store the stream in a normalized FIB structure. This contains an IP =
prefix table and a next-hop table. The IP Prefix table contains one entry f=
or each reachable prefix. It also contains one entry for each next-hop. Eac=
h IP Prefix table entry contains an IP prefix plus a pointer for each next-=
hop through which the prefix is reachable. Each Next-hop entry many bytes o=
f information describing each next-hop.



The FIB on Node B contains fewer FIB entries but consumes more storage. The=
 FIB on Node C contains more FIB entries but consumes less storage. Both co=
ntain the exact same information.



So, when we optimize for state efficiency, which should we count, FIB entri=
es, storage, or information. Darren suggests FIB entries. Why is this more =
important than storage or information?



Also, any data structure can be flattened to the point that it contains onl=
y one FIB entry. Is that what we want. When we measure state efficiency, wh=
at level of flattening or normalization do we assume. Why?



                                                                           =
       Ron









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Folks,



The description and the rationale are identical. Lacking rationale to justi=
fy this requirement, we should drop it.



The metric regarding  REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY assumes that one can infer =
how many FIB entries a particular compression mechanism requires. It ignore=
s the fact that a FIB can be organized in many ways. Some organizations wil=
l have more FIB entries than others.



Unless we can develop a better metric, this requirement should be dropped.





                                             Ron





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proposal 2 requires A to asks B and C to store 2x entries</div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">In <a href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/ms=
g/srcomp/t9a7SRMaq0XNWdpT7ILBpx1hkW0/">
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/srcomp/t9a7SRMaq0XNWdpT7ILBpx1hkW0/</=
a>, Darren offers the following rationale for this requirement:</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =93Efficiency in bits on the wire =
and forwarding state are both important.&nbsp; Optimizing one at the expens=
e of the other may lead to issues in implementations.=94</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">While this rationale admits a conflict between for=
warding efficiency and state efficiency, it doesn=92t tell us *<b>why</b>* =
state efficiency is important. We all know, intuitively that it is importan=
t, but until we can articulate why it
 is important, we really don=92t know how to measure it.<br>
<br>
When we strive for state efficiency, we might:</p>
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li><li class=3D"x_MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in; mso-list:l0 l=
evel1 lfo3">Minimize the amount of FIB storage required support a segment</=
li><li class=3D"x_MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:0in; mso-list:l0 l=
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t</li></ol>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">There is a conflict between 1 and 2. Assume that a=
 Node A sends the exact same control plane stream to Nodes B and C. It cont=
ains some amount of information.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Node B stores the stream in a flat FIB structure. =
The FIB contains an IP Prefix Table and the IP Prefix table contains one en=
try for each reachable prefix. An IP prefix table entry contains the IP pre=
fix plus many bytes of information
 describing each next-hop through which the prefix is reachable.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Node C store the stream in a normalized FIB struct=
ure. This contains an IP prefix table and a next-hop table. The IP Prefix t=
able contains one entry for each reachable prefix. It also contains one ent=
ry for each next-hop. Each IP Prefix
 table entry contains an IP prefix plus a pointer for each next-hop through=
 which the prefix is reachable. Each Next-hop entry many bytes of informati=
on describing each next-hop.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">The FIB on Node B contains fewer FIB entries but c=
onsumes more storage. The FIB on Node C contains more FIB entries but consu=
mes less storage. Both contain the exact same information.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">So, when we optimize for state efficiency, which s=
hould we count, FIB entries, storage, or information. Darren suggests FIB e=
ntries. Why is this more important than storage or information?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Also, any data structure can be flattened to the p=
oint that it contains only one FIB entry. Is that what we want. When we mea=
sure state efficiency, what level of flattening or normalization do we assu=
me. Why?</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ron</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Folks,</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">The description and the rationale are identical. L=
acking rationale to justify this requirement, we should drop it.</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">&nbsp;</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">The metric regarding&nbsp; REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIEN=
CY assumes that one can infer how many FIB entries a particular compression=
 mechanism requires. It ignores the fact that a FIB can be organized in man=
y ways. Some organizations will have more
 FIB entries than others.</p>
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<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">Unless we can develop a better metric, this requir=
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Further more I suggest the following change to simplify the rationale.

Description: The solution MUST support a combination of compressed and non-=
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Rationale: When deploying the compression solution, a domain may contain no=
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Metric: A solution that supports compressed and non-compressed segments, an=
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Hi Ron

The metric states that a proposal permits the use of compressed and non-com=
pressed segments within a segment list.

"A solution that supports compressed and non-compressed segments, and allow=
s their combination within a segment list meets this requirement."

The benefits to deployment seem clear.  Some nodes support the compression =
solution while others do not yet, the service is incrementally upgradable.

Darren
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Subject: [Srcomp] comments on REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST


Folk,



The rationale for this requirement are dubious.



You are proposing that SR ingress nodes must support the following SR encod=
ing:



  *   Legacy SRv6
  *   Compressed
  *   Hybrids containing Legacy encoding features and compressed encoding f=
eatures



The rational are:



  *   That this supports one particular transition strategies
  *   That some nodes may not require compression



Other, more frequently deployed transition strategies are available. And wh=
at is the motivation for using classing encoding when compression is availa=
ble?



                                                                       Ron












Juniper Business Use Only

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This requirement covers two different scenarios:
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The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since =
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I think we may need to combine the following requirements into one or more =
new requirements that do not overlap and describe the requirements to trans=
ition from an SRv6 solution to a compression proposal.
SRv6-to-CompSRv6
HET-SID-LIST
INTERWORKING-DOMAINS
SPRING-SRV6-MIGRATION

Anything not related to that transition can be proposed in section 4 of the=
 document.

Let's discuss in the call.

Darren
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Subject: [Srcomp] Review REQ-8-01-INTERWORKING-DOMAINS-00

This requirement covers two different scenarios:
1 - transition to the compression solution from SRv6
2 - migration to the compression solution from IPv6/MPLS/anything else.

I think the transition requirement is captured in HET-SID-LIST and can be d=
uplicated to that

The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since =
it is common to any SR instantiation for IPv6.

Darren

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I think we may need to combine the following requirements into one or more =
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This requirement covers two different scenarios:</div>
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1 - transition to the compression solution from SRv6</div>
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I think the transition requirement is captured in HET-SID-LIST and can be d=
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The migration requirement should be split out and moved to section 4 since =
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I don't recall such a decision.  However, this is the stage of review to ra=
ise the question.

I do believe the migration section is for migrating an SRv6 deployment to a=
 compression proposal since 3 is about the requirements specific to compres=
sion.
I think requirements around just deploying an SRv6 compression solution sho=
uld be covered in section 4.

I'm interested in hearing other thoughts.

Darren



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Folks,



Two weeks ago, didn=92t we agree to divide section 3.2 (Migration) into two=
 broad subsections. One subsection describes requirements that benefit all =
potential users. The other benefits the subset of potential users who have =
already deployed classic SRv6.



I think that REQ-8-20-SRv6-to-CompSRv6-00 belongs to the second subsection.



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I think requirements around just deploying an SRv6 compression solution sho=
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Two weeks ago, didn=92t we agree to divide section 3.2 (Migration) into two=
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To me, I think the benefits are clear.

But in the real deployment, we should avoid the combination in order to sim=
plify the deployment.

Therefore, it is a bonus instead of a basic requirement I think. It is good=
 to provide this capability.

Best,
Cheng






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Hi Ron

The metric states that a proposal permits the use of compressed and non-com=
pressed segments within a segment list.

"A solution that supports compressed and non-compressed segments, and allow=
s their combination within a segment list meets this requirement."


The benefits to deployment seem clear.  Some nodes support the compression =
solution while others do not yet, the service is incrementally upgradable.


Darren
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Folk,



The rationale for this requirement are dubious.



You are proposing that SR ingress nodes must support the following SR encod=
ing:



  *   Legacy SRv6
  *   Compressed
  *   Hybrids containing Legacy encoding features and compressed encoding f=
eatures



The rational are:



  *   That this supports one particular transition strategies
  *   That some nodes may not require compression



Other, more frequently deployed transition strategies are available. And wh=
at is the motivation for using classing encoding when compression is availa=
ble?



                                                                       Ron












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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">To me, I think the benefits are clear=
.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">But in the real deployment, we should=
 avoid the combination in order to simplify the deployment.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Therefore, it is a bonus instead of a=
 basic requirement I think. It is good to provide this capability.<o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Cheng<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> Srcomp [mailto:srcomp-bounces@=
ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Darren Dukes (ddukes)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 30, 2020 1:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ron Bonica &lt;rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org&gt;; srcom=
p &lt;srcomp@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Srcomp] comments on REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST<o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">Hi Ron<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">The metric states that a proposal permits the use of com=
pressed and non-compressed segments within a segment list.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black;background:white">&quot;A solution that supports compress=
ed and non-compressed segments, and allows their combination within a segme=
nt list meets this requirement.&quot;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quo=
t;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black;background:white"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black;background:white">The benefits to deployment seem clear. =
&nbsp;Some nodes support the compression solution while others do not yet, =
the service is incrementally upgradable.</span><span style=3D"font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black;background:white"><br>
<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif;color:black">Darren<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div class=3D"MsoNormal" align=3D"center" style=3D"text-align:center">
<hr size=3D"2" width=3D"98%" align=3D"center">
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> Srcomp=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp-bounces@ietf.org">srcomp-bounces@ietf.org</a>=
&gt;
 on behalf of Ron Bonica &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmar=
c.ietf.org">rbonica=3D40juniper.net@dmarc.ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 29, 2020 4:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> srcomp &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:srcomp@ietf.org">srcomp@ietf.org</a=
>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Srcomp] comments on REQ-8-26-HET-SID-LIST</span> <o:p></o:=
p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Folk,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The rationale for this requirement are dubious.<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">You are proposing that SR ingress nodes must suppor=
t the following SR encoding:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0cm" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Legacy SRv6<o:p>=
</o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l1 level1 lfo1"=
><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif=
">Compressed<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-lis=
t:l1 level1 lfo1"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,sans-serif">Hybrids containing Legacy encoding features and compress=
ed encoding features<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">The rational are:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style=3D"margin-top:0cm" type=3D"disc">
<li class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">That this suppor=
ts one particular transition strategies<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class=3D"=
MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">That some nodes may not requi=
re compression<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">Other, more frequently deployed transition strategi=
es are available. And what is the motivation for using classing encoding wh=
en compression is available?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"xmsonormal">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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r"><span style=3D"font-size:7.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-seri=
f;color:black">Juniper Business Use Only</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Just to check.

I think yes.

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lor:#333333"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/j.php?MTID=3Dm3f4be86=
36e4a92ece83a5e74ba079115"><span style=3D"font-size:15.0pt;color:white;text=
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erif;color:#333333">&nbsp;
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erif;color:#666666">Tap to join from a mobile device (attendees only)</span=
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erif;color:#666666"><a href=3D"tel:%2B1-408-525-6800,,*01*1623469001%235757=
7769%23*01*"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;color:#00AFF9;text-decoration:=
none">+1-408-525-6800,,1623469001#57577769#</span></a>
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erif;color:#666666">Some mobile devices may ask attendees to enter a numeri=
c meeting password.</span><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot=
;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp;
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erif;color:#666666">Join by phone</span><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;fon=
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erif;color:#666666">+1-408-525-6800 Call-in toll number (US/Canada)</span><=
span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;col=
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erif;color:#666666"><a href=3D"https://cisco.webex.com/cisco/globalcallin.p=
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t;color:#00AFF9;text-decoration:none">Global call-in
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lor:#666666">Join by video system, application or Skype for business</span>=
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lor:#333333"><br>
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erif;color:#666666">Dial</span><span style=3D"font-size:13.5pt;font-family:=
&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">
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It seems Darren's webex doesn't work=20
let's use the zoom meeting.=20
https://huawan.zoomus.cn/j/1377482219
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Best Regards,
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Hi Team,

Here is the draft for the minutes:

Srcomp meeting
2020-09-30 13:00 UTC

Status: draft

Attendees:
- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]
- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present]
- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]
- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]
- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]
- Peng Shaofu of ZTE [absent]
- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]
- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]


# Discussing document

Section 3.1.2 (REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY)
- D.PRS: Look at ingress, segment endpoints and egress nodes separately
- D.PRS: Add text noting that impact is implementation dependent
- D.LKU split into D.LKU-LM and D.LKU-I
- Further discussion on the mailing list

Section 3.1.3 (REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY)
- Update the rationale to "Additional state will increase the complexity
of the control plane and data plane. It can also result in an increase
in memory usage."
- Further discussion on the mailing list


Cheers,
Sander


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Sander,

Didn't we agree to add an umbrella statement to saying:

- We don't know how any of these metrics will impact packets per second for=
warded on a particular ASIC
- Impact will vary from ASIC to ASIC

                                  Ron



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Hi Team,

Here is the draft for the minutes:

Srcomp meeting
2020-09-30 13:00 UTC

Status: draft

Attendees:
- Cheng Weiqiang of China Mobile [present]
- Sander Steffann of SJM Steffann Consultancy [present]
- Ron Bonica of Juniper [present]
- Darren Dukes of Cisco [present]
- Cheng Li of Huawei [present]
- Peng Shaofu of ZTE [absent]
- Wim Henderickx of Nokia [present]
- Chongfeng Xie of China Telecom [present]


# Discussing document

Section 3.1.2 (REQ-8-17-FWD-EFFICIENCY)
- D.PRS: Look at ingress, segment endpoints and egress nodes separately
- D.PRS: Add text noting that impact is implementation dependent
- D.LKU split into D.LKU-LM and D.LKU-I
- Further discussion on the mailing list

Section 3.1.3 (REQ-8-17-STATE-EFFICIENCY)
- Update the rationale to "Additional state will increase the complexity of=
 the control plane and data plane. It can also result in an increase in mem=
ory usage."
- Further discussion on the mailing list


Cheers,
Sander

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Hi Ron,

> Didn't we agree to add an umbrella statement to saying:
>=20
> - We don't know how any of these metrics will impact packets per second fo=
rwarded on a particular ASIC
> - Impact will vary from ASIC to ASIC

You are correct. I minuted:

> - D.PRS: Add text noting that impact is implementation dependent

But this is not only for D.PRS. It should indeed be an umbrella statement.

Cheers,
Sander=

