From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com Fri Dec 1 18:20:56 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id SAA26302 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com [171.69.2.19]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21599 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:07:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy2.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-3.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB1M7Nk08464 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailman.sprintlabs.com (mx.sprintlabs.com [208.30.174.2]) by proxy2.cisco.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11487 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:06:32 -0800 (PST) Received: by mailman.sprintlabs.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2652.78) id ; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:04:20 -0800 Received: from sprintlabs.com (ip199-2-53-56.sprintlabs.com [199.2.53.56]) by mailman.sprintlabs.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2652.78) id XJD1RW69; Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:04:16 -0800 From: Supratik Bhattacharyya To: ssm-interest@external.cisco.com Message-ID: <3A281FAB.8E24B7AB@sprintlabs.com> Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 14:01:16 -0800 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Agenda for San Diego meeting. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agenda Bashing 5 min Update on architecture spec 10 min (draft-holbrook-ssm-arch-01.txt) [Hugh Holbrook] Update on framework document 5 min (draft-bhattach-ssm-framework-01.txt) [ Supratik Bhattacharyya] Remaining issues in draft-idmr-igmpv3-ssm-00.txt 10 min Update on PIM spec 5 min (draft-ietf-pim-sm-v2-new-01.txt) SSM and IPv6 15 min [Brian Haberman] Revisit topics from last WG meeting : 10 min Reverse IGMP to the source Tunneling over non-multicast capable domains Wrap Up 5 min From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com Sun Dec 3 12:04:37 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id MAA20797 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 12:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com [171.69.11.130]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA28658 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy3.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB3G9P315693 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:09:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from melimelo.enst-bretagne.fr (melimelo.enst-bretagne.fr [192.108.115.36]) by proxy3.cisco.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA16590 for ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from rsm.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (rsm.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [192.44.77.1]) by melimelo.enst-bretagne.fr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB3G44438015; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:04:04 +0100 Received: from givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [193.52.74.194]) by rsm.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA08614; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:04:03 +0100 (MET) Received: from givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (localhost.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr [127.0.0.1]) by givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA25645; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:04:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from dupont@givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr) Message-Id: <200012031604.RAA25645@givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr> From: Francis Dupont To: Vida Rolland cc: ipng@sunroof.eng.sun.com, ssm-interest@external.cisco.com, Supratik Bhattacharyya Subject: Re: MLDv3 - Internet Draft In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 08 Nov 2000 18:30:19 +0100. <3A098DAB.52FD42BD@rp.lip6.fr> Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 17:04:23 +0100 Sender: Francis.Dupont@enst-bretagne.fr In your previous mail you wrote: Here is the abstract of an Internet Draft proposal, called "Multicast Listener Discovery Version 3 (MLDv3) for IPv6" () => was this I-D proposed to the Internet Draft Editor (I can't find it in the repository)? Regards Francis.Dupont@enst-bretagne.fr From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com Tue Dec 5 07:14:22 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA22224 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 07:14:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com [171.69.11.130]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA25345 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy1.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-1.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eB5B91114575 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:09:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from isis.lip6.fr (isis.lip6.fr [132.227.60.2]) by proxy1.cisco.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA09680 for ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 03:08:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from rp.lip6.fr (tibre.lip6.fr [132.227.74.2]) by isis.lip6.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.2) with ESMTP id LAA02145 ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:42:17 +0100 Received: from rp.lip6.fr (otos.lip6.fr [132.227.61.47]) by rp.lip6.fr (8.8.8/jtpda-5.2) with ESMTP id LAA09664 ; Tue, 5 Dec 2000 11:42:16 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <3A2CC688.10A0BD6A@rp.lip6.fr> Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 11:42:16 +0100 From: Vida Rolland Organization: Laboratoire Lip6 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [fr] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Francis Dupont CC: ipng@sunroof.eng.sun.com, ssm-interest@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: MLDv3 - Internet Draft References: <200012031604.RAA25645@givry.rennes.enst-bretagne.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com id DAA25346 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by ietf.org id HAA22224 The MLDv3 draft was not proposed to the Internet Draft Editor as it was a preliminary version. We were waiting for the new version of the IGMPv3 draft, that actually came out a few days ago. We are working now on adapting MLDv3 to the changes that were made in the new IGMPv3 version. A new version of the MLDv3 draft will be available in a couple of days. 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Now, I think that using something other than 232/8 for Global scope SSM iss a VERY bad idea. Everyone should know how hard it is to get the whole Internet to coordinate on something - you would then for sure have domains that multicast peer using SSM on one side and ISM on the other for the same address range - which would be bad for interoperability and for deployment. Having said that, I can easily see that as SSM applications become available, then people will want to use them for administratively or ttl scoped address ranges. Since it's localized, you can do what you want and not worry about interfering with other peoples deployments. So, shouldn't the (framework?) draft state something like SSM applications with global scope MUST be restricted to the 232/8 address range. Applicatations in the 239/8 address range, or in other restricted scope address ranges, MAY use SSM as desired; however, the administrator of the scoped address space MUST ensure that SSM trees do not cross the scope domain boundaries. Regards Marshall Eubanks Multicast Technologies, Inc. 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 201 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 e-mail : tme@on-the-i.com http://www.on-the-i.com From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com Wed Dec 13 14:55:21 2000 Received: from rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com [161.44.11.97]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA11080 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 14:55:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (omega.cisco.com [171.69.63.141]) by rtp-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA25303 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:40:26 -0500 (EST) Received: (from eckert@localhost) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) id KAA07051; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) From: Toerless Eckert Message-Id: <200012131841.KAA07051@cisco.com> Subject: Re: SSM Address Space To: tme@21rst-century.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:41:58 -0800 (PST) Cc: ssm-interest@external.cisco.com, supratik@sprintlabs.com (Supratik Bhattacharyya) In-Reply-To: <3A37B286.D1BDEBF3@21rst-century.com> from "Marshall Eubanks" at Dec 13, 2000 12:31:51 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Agreed in princile. Would it not be sufficient to say that an SSM address space can only be of global scope if it is assigned by IANA for this purpose ? Cheers Toerless From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com Wed Dec 13 15:26:22 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA16263 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:26:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21905 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:43:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy3.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBDIhSn22692 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:43:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net (cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net [198.5.241.38]) by proxy3.cisco.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA04545 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 10:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from neserve0.corp.us.uu.net by cmr0.ash.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: neserve0.corp.us.uu.net [153.39.92.148]) id QQjtks07878; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 18:42:25 GMT Received: by neserve0.corp.us.uu.net id QQjtks14304; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:42:13 -0500 (EST) From: jhall@UU.NET (Jeremy Hall) Message-Id: Subject: Re: SSM Address Space In-Reply-To: <3A37B286.D1BDEBF3@21rst-century.com> from Marshall Eubanks at "Dec 13, 2000 12:31:51 pm" To: tme@21rst-century.com Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:42:12 -0500 (EST) CC: ssm-interest@external.cisco.com, Supratik Bhattacharyya X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL60 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sounds fine to me...I think people using SSM should use 232 regardless and figure out how to do their own scoping. _J In the new year, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Hello; > > In the SSM meeting yesterday there was a little discussion about > the SSM address space. Now, I think that using something other than > 232/8 for Global scope SSM iss a VERY bad idea. Everyone should know > how hard it is to get the whole Internet to coordinate on something - > you would then for sure have domains that multicast peer using SSM on one > side and ISM on the other for the same address range - which would be bad > for interoperability and for deployment. > > Having said that, I can easily see that as SSM applications become available, > then people will want to use them for administratively or ttl scoped > address ranges. > Since it's localized, you can do what you want and not worry about interfering > with other peoples deployments. > > So, shouldn't the (framework?) draft state something like > > SSM applications with global scope MUST be restricted to the 232/8 > address range. > Applicatations in the 239/8 address range, or in other restricted scope > address > ranges, MAY use SSM as desired; however, the administrator of the scoped address > space MUST ensure that SSM trees do not cross the scope domain boundaries. > > > Regards > Marshall Eubanks > > Multicast Technologies, Inc. > 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 201 > Fairfax, Virginia 22030 > Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 > e-mail : tme@on-the-i.com http://www.on-the-i.com > From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com Wed Dec 13 15:42:59 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id PAA19256 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:42:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA09200 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:16:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy1.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBDJGi110957 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:16:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from multicasttech.com (ns2.multicasttech.com [63.105.122.8]) by proxy1.cisco.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19686 for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 11:16:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [207.137.70.59] (HELO 21rst-century.com) by multicasttech.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.3) with ESMTP id 620682; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:41:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3A37C471.E522B20C@21rst-century.com> Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:48:17 -0500 From: Marshall Eubanks Reply-To: tme@21rst-century.com Organization: Multicast Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7C-CCK-MCD {C-UDP; EBM-APPLE} (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Toerless Eckert CC: ssm-interest@external.cisco.com, Supratik Bhattacharyya Subject: Re: SSM Address Space References: <200012131841.KAA07051@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Toerless Eckert wrote: > > Agreed in princile. > > Would it not be sufficient to say that an SSM address space can only be of > global scope if it is assigned by IANA for this purpose ? > > Cheers > Toerless That's a good idea - it makes it IPv6 compliant :) -- Regards Marshall Eubanks Multicast Technologies, Inc. 10301 Democracy Lane, Suite 201 Fairfax, Virginia 22030 Phone : 703-293-9624 Fax : 703-293-9609 e-mail : tme@on-the-i.com http://www.on-the-i.com From owner-extdom.ssm-interest@sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com Fri Dec 22 02:02:42 2000 Received: from sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA22699 for ; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 02:02:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com [171.71.163.110]) by sj-msg-core-4.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA16930 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:52:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from proxy3.cisco.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sj-msg-av-2.cisco.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id eBM5qpN24135 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:52:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from ns.live.com (ns.live.com [208.184.148.162]) by proxy3.cisco.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA15739 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rsf-laptop.live.com (dhcp0.live.com [208.184.148.170]) by ns.live.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30116 for ; Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:47:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from finlayson@live.com) Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20001221213044.00bb1640@localhost> X-Sender: rsf@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:47:49 -0800 To: ssm-interest@external.cisco.com From: Ross Finlayson Subject: UMTP updated to handle tunneling of SSM sessions Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed As you might have heard at the San Diego IETF (but not from me, as I wasn't there:-), I have recently revised the UMTP ("UDP Multicast Tunneling Protocol") specification to handle SSM sessions (in addition to ISM). I have submitted the updated draft to the Internet Drafts editor; you can also read it online at . I have also upgraded my UMTP server implementation ("liveGate"). UMTP allows multicast data to be received by users who are behind non-multicast-capable routers, without them having to modify their applications, or use raw sockets. (Note, however, that for SSM sessions, the receiving application will need to be made aware of the fact that UDP tunneling will change the session's source address.) UMTP is not the ideal way for users to receive SSM sessions (it's better for them to have real SSM-capable routers, or, failing that, use PIM tunneling), but it's one way to help bring SSM to the masses... Ross.