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Passwords for ssm-archive@lists.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- ssm@ietf.org mifemu https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/ssm/ssm-archive%40lists.ietf.org From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 23 06:43:51 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10527 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NAtoP12957 for ssm-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:55:50 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NAtn812954 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:55:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10520 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198Hky-0001vT-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:45:40 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198Hkx-0001vP-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:45:39 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NAmo812719; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:48:50 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NAhL812555 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:43:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA10294 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198HYt-0001t9-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:33:11 -0400 Received: from ns.live.com ([66.80.62.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198HYt-0001t5-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 06:33:11 -0400 Received: from ns.live.com (localhost.live.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.live.com (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3NAXZRG013834; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:33:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsf@ns.live.com) Received: (from rsf@localhost) by ns.live.com (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h3NAXZ7e013831; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20030423030316.00b66140@laptop-localhost> X-Sender: rsf@laptop-localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 03:33:10 -0700 To: ssm@ietf.org, mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu From: Ross Finlayson Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [ssm] FYI: Updated SSM-capable applications Sender: ssm-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ssm-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ssm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Source-Specific Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Some of you who are working with Source-Specific Multicast may be interested in new versions of several multicast applications, which I have recently updated to conform to the latest SSM-relevant Internet Drafts: 1/ SSM sending applications (i) When generating SDP descriptions, include appropriate a=source-filter: incl ... and a=rtcp: unicast reflection lines. (ii) Receive incoming RTCP Reception Reports via unicast, and 'reflect' them back to the group via multicast. - "vobStreamer" (a DVD audio/video streaming tool): - "liveCaster" (a MP3 RTP streaming tool - SSM sending is optional): - "testMP3Streamer", "testMPEGVideoStreamer", "testMPEGAudioVideoStreamer" (various streaming test programs - SSM sending is optional): 2/ SSM receiving applications (i) Use the IP_ADD_SOURCE_MEMBERSHIP and IP_DROP_SOURCE_MEMBERSHIP "setsockopt()" calls (instead of the regular IP_ADD_MEMBERSHIP and IP_DROP_MEMBERSHIP, but falling back to using these if the *SOURCE* versions aren't supported). (ii) Send back RTCP Reception Reports via unicast rather than multicast. - "MPlayer" (a media player - will use SSM if specified by RTSP and/or SDP): - The "in_rtp.dll" MP3/RTP plugin for Winamp: - "playRTPMPEG" (a MP3/RTP receiving tool): - "testMP3Receiver", "testMPEGVideoReceiver" (various receiving test programs - SSM is optional): Ross. _______________________________________________ ssm mailing list ssm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ssm From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 23 19:56:16 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15198 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NNwbi10382 for ssm-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:58:37 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NNwa810379 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:58:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15192 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198U7o-0001DH-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:58:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198U7o-0001DE-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:58:04 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NNuM810309; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:56:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NNqU810210 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:52:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA15104 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198U1u-0001Bn-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:51:58 -0400 Received: from ns.live.com ([66.80.62.34]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198U1t-0001Bj-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:51:57 -0400 Received: from ns.live.com (localhost.live.com [127.0.0.1]) by ns.live.com (8.12.9/8.12.5) with ESMTP id h3NNqMRG001438; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:52:23 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from rsf@ns.live.com) Received: (from rsf@localhost) by ns.live.com (8.12.9/8.12.3/Submit) id h3NNqMGk001437; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.1.20030423163746.00c5a940@laptop-localhost> X-Sender: rsf@laptop-localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:48:17 -0700 To: ssm@ietf.org, mboned@network-services.uoregon.edu From: Ross Finlayson In-Reply-To: <86495EF6-7585-11D7-92AE-0003936D71EA@multicasttech.com> References: <4.3.1.1.20030423030316.00b66140@laptop-localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [ssm] Re: FYI: Updated SSM-capable applications Sender: ssm-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ssm-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ssm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Source-Specific Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 05:17 AM 4/23/03, Marshall Eubanks wrote: >Is there any authentication applied to the unicast SSM rtcp reports, which >can be used for a denial of service attacks ? No, because there's no *general* way of doing this. If anyone using this software wants to add in their own, application-specific mechanism for authenticating the validity of each incoming unicast Reception Report, before 'reflecting' it back to the group, then they can easily do so (in "liveMedia/RTCP.cpp"). Ross. _______________________________________________ ssm mailing list ssm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ssm From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 24 02:56:34 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06736 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3O6x3F15695 for ssm-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:59:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3O6x3815692 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:59:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06729 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198agY-0003WI-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:58:22 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198agX-0003WF-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:58:21 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3O6wa815659; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:58:36 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3O6tb815520 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:55:37 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA06677 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198adE-0003VI-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:54:56 -0400 Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198adD-0003V3-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 02:54:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3O6spB29472 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:51 +0300 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 09:54:50 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: ssm@ietf.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [ssm] SSM and IPR Sender: ssm-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ssm-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ssm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Source-Specific Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Hi, Just browsing the IPR archive I noted Apple claiming possible IPR on draft-ietf-ssm-arch-02: http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/APPLE-SSM.txt Anyone looked at that? -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ ssm mailing list ssm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ssm From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 24 18:35:39 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08724 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OMcSB18847 for ssm-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:38:28 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OMcS818843 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:38:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08720 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198pLL-0002VG-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:37:27 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198pLL-0002VC-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:37:27 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OMc3818819; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:38:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OMYv817862 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:34:57 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08616 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198pHx-0002TP-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:33:57 -0400 Received: from h-135-207-24-16.research.att.com ([135.207.24.16] helo=linux.research.att.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198pHw-0002SR-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:33:56 -0400 Received: from unixmail.research.att.com (unixmail.research.att.com [135.207.26.71]) by linux.research.att.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h3OMYqlN010796; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:34:52 -0400 Received: from windsor.research.att.com (windsor.research.att.com [135.207.26.46]) by unixmail.research.att.com (8.12.8+Sun/8.8.7) with ESMTP id h3OMWwXs007965; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 18:32:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Bill Fenner Received: (from fenner@localhost) by windsor.research.att.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.8.5) id h3OMXqq15586; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200304242233.h3OMXqq15586@windsor.research.att.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII To: pekkas@netcore.fi Subject: Re: [ssm] SSM and IPR Cc: ssm@ietf.org Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 15:33:51 -0700 Versions: dmail (solaris) 2.5a/makemail 2.9d Sender: ssm-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ssm-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ssm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Source-Specific Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >Just browsing the IPR archive I noted Apple claiming possible IPR on >draft-ietf-ssm-arch-02: > >http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/APPLE-SSM.txt > >Anyone looked at that? Of course, a judge's interpretation is the only one that matters, but my reading of the claims is that several of them could apply to SSM. (It may apply to only 4-hop networks, and there's a typo in claim 3 which may invalidate claims 3 and 4 meaning that it would only apply to 2-hop networks, but those are way too subtle calls for a non-lawyer to make). (Claims 5-17 don't seem to me to apply to SSM, since they all involve the sender explicitly requesting something from the network) Bill _______________________________________________ ssm mailing list ssm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ssm From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 25 00:54:30 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15690 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3P4vRZ11069 for ssm-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:57:27 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P4vR811066 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:57:27 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15680 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198vFy-0004j5-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:56:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198vFy-0004j2-00 for ssm-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:56:18 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P4v8811052; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:57:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P4ro810976 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:53:50 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA15636 for ; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198vCT-0004i7-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:52:41 -0400 Received: from netcore.fi ([193.94.160.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198vCS-0004i3-00 for ssm@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 00:52:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (pekkas@localhost) by netcore.fi (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3P4qa006160; Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:52:36 +0300 Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 07:52:35 +0300 (EEST) From: Pekka Savola To: Bill Fenner cc: ssm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [ssm] SSM and IPR In-Reply-To: <200304242233.h3OMXqq15586@windsor.research.att.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: ssm-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: ssm-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: ssm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Source-Specific Multicast List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Thu, 24 Apr 2003, Bill Fenner wrote: > >Just browsing the IPR archive I noted Apple claiming possible IPR on > >draft-ietf-ssm-arch-02: > > > >http://www.ietf.org/ietf/IPR/APPLE-SSM.txt > > > >Anyone looked at that? > > Of course, a judge's interpretation is the only one that matters, but > my reading of the claims is that several of them could apply to SSM. > (It may apply to only 4-hop networks, and there's a typo in claim 3 > which may invalidate claims 3 and 4 meaning that it would only apply > to 2-hop networks, but those are way too subtle calls for a non-lawyer > to make). > > (Claims 5-17 don't seem to me to apply to SSM, since they all involve > the sender explicitly requesting something from the network) As a matter of fact, most claims seem to mainly cover unicast-prefix -based addressing. I could also see multicast address assignment protocols impacted. I'm unsure of the SSM-specific claims as I fail to see them mention the use of the source address as an identifier. -- Pekka Savola "You each name yourselves king, yet the Netcore Oy kingdom bleeds." Systems. Networks. Security. -- George R.R. Martin: A Clash of Kings _______________________________________________ ssm mailing list ssm@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ssm