From nobody Wed Apr 5 09:21:18 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0141293EC for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 09:21:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IR_TxnV0wkl9 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B66EE129420 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 09:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D72D300440 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:21:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id lBXgnHW12vba for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-host-7.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5FD3C30042F for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:21:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:21:20 -0400 To: IETF STIR Mail List X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:21:17 -0000 I have posted the minutes for the STIR session in Chicago. Many thanks = to Pete Resnick for a very good job on the meeting notes. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-stir-00 Please review. Tell us about anything that needs to be corrected. Russ From nobody Wed Apr 5 10:24:41 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDE6F128DF6 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, ENCRYPTED_MESSAGE=-1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2L5FF3hK4kcz for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email1.corp.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-69-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 636FE129408 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 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5 Apr 2017 10:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email1.corp.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-69-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAA3C1287A7 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:27:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SC9-EX2K10MB1.corp.yaanatech.com ([fe80::149d:c2e1:8065:2a47]) by ex2k10hub1.corp.yaanatech.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 10:27:33 -0700 From: Michael Hammer To: "housley@vigilsec.com" , "stir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 Thread-Index: AQHSriioiUl0d/YwuU6AQ5QrJtxBMKG3By1w Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 17:27:32 +0000 Message-ID: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD104BF7@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.17.100.30] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:27:36 -0000 (Second try turning off Outlook security setting) It used to be that decisions were made on the IETF mail lists. Has that changed? Or can WGs just ignore rules when they feel like it? I want to register my objection to the following: - Calling character strings that include # or * an E.164 number. Suggested fix: - Add "Pseudo" to the name of the element to distinguish it from ITU-T E.16= 4 standard definition, - Define where in the string a # or * may appear (syntax), - Define the meaning of a # or * embedded in the character string (semantic= s). Otherwise, you can have interoperability problems. That would be bad design. ________________________________ Michael Hammer michael.hammer@yaanatech.com +1 408 202 9291 =A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email confidentialit= y notice. This message is private and confidential. If you have received th= is message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 12:21 PM To: IETF STIR Mail List Subject: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 I have posted the minutes for the STIR session in Chicago. Many thanks to = Pete Resnick for a very good job on the meeting notes. https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-stir-00 Please review. Tell us about anything that needs to be corrected. Russ _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Apr 5 12:38:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38F741242F5 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:38:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hgosnO6_1kBd for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mil-admin2.yaanatech.net (38-110-174-11-static.dzbja.com [38.110.174.11]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C31212948F for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extmail1.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-76-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.76]) by mil-admin2.yaanatech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CE21D7; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 19:38:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.53] (pool-70-106-242-209.clppva.fios.verizon.net [70.106.242.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by extmail1.yaanatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ABAE58090; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: tony@yaanatech.com References: To: Russ Housley , IETF STIR Mail List From: Tony Rutkowski Organization: Yaana Technologies LLC Message-ID: <2d6af998-24c0-9d60-4831-c086f16c4fd9@yaanatech.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:38:40 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:38:45 -0000 Ah, could somebody clarify and explain this statement: > - IESG had many comments about the certificates draft - Service=20 > Provider Codes - Coordinating with ATIS since they're the ones using=20 > all of the different identifiers=20 -t On 05-Apr-17 12:21 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > I have posted the minutes for the STIR session in Chicago. Many thanks= to Pete Resnick for a very good job on the meeting notes. > > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/98/minutes/minutes-98-stir-00 > > Please review. Tell us about anything that needs to be corrected. > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > From nobody Wed Apr 5 12:53:58 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C35129484 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ty0IMiBpyPYK for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDA0F12941D for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 12:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3309430041B for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:53:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id upkvf7RGL0OT for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from new-host-2.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1DCAE30028A; Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD104BE1@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2017 15:53:52 -0400 Cc: IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <48958C16-E34E-4D0B-AA10-6B353749433B@vigilsec.com> References: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD104BE1@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> To: Michael Hammer X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2017 19:53:56 -0000 > On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Michael Hammer = wrote: >=20 > It used to be that decisions were made on the IETF mail lists. > Has that changed? The minute report what happened in the room. The point of getting the = minutes posted promptly is so that people on the mail list can offer an = opposing opinion if they have one. > I want to register my objection to the following: > - Calling character strings that include # or * an E.164 number. >=20 > Suggested fix: > - Add "Pseudo" to the name of the element to distinguish it from ITU-T = E.164=20 > standard definition, > - Define where in the string a # or * may appear (syntax), > - Define the meaning of a # or * embedded in the character string = (semantics). Perhaps the string that includes # and * should be a DTMFNumber. Russ From nobody Thu Apr 6 06:47:22 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2ED411294FC for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BoXvL8QGb2ep for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email1.corp.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-69-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C69D1294F6 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SC9-EX2K10MB1.corp.yaanatech.com ([fe80::149d:c2e1:8065:2a47]) by ex2k10hub1.corp.yaanatech.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Thu, 6 Apr 2017 06:47:19 -0700 From: Michael Hammer To: "housley@vigilsec.com" CC: "stir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 Thread-Index: AQHSriioiUl0d/YwuU6AQ5QrJtxBMKG3MGZYgAEq5RA= Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2017 13:47:18 +0000 Message-ID: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD104F12@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> References: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD104BE1@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> <48958C16-E34E-4D0B-AA10-6B353749433B@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <48958C16-E34E-4D0B-AA10-6B353749433B@vigilsec.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.17.100.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2017 13:47:21 -0000 Usually, when a decision is needed the notes say something about sending to= the list. So, I accept that was the original intent. While changing to DTMF would remove my objection, I am confused about the idea of having certs for what appears to be dial-st= rings. Is that the real intent? ________________________________ Michael Hammer michael.hammer@yaanatech.com +1 408 202 9291 =A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email confidentialit= y notice. This message is private and confidential. If you have received th= is message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2017 3:54 PM To: Michael Hammer Cc: IETF STIR Mail List Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 > On Apr 5, 2017, at 1:24 PM, Michael Hammer = wrote: > > It used to be that decisions were made on the IETF mail lists. > Has that changed? The minute report what happened in the room. The point of getting the minu= tes posted promptly is so that people on the mail list can offer an opposin= g opinion if they have one. > I want to register my objection to the following: > - Calling character strings that include # or * an E.164 number. > > Suggested fix: > - Add "Pseudo" to the name of the element to distinguish it from ITU-T > E.164 standard definition, > - Define where in the string a # or * may appear (syntax), > - Define the meaning of a # or * embedded in the character string (semant= ics). Perhaps the string that includes # and * should be a DTMFNumber. 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I haven=E2=80=99t seen much = discussion on this so I went ahead and created an issue: https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/issues/3 and a PR to address the issue: https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/6/files What do people think? Personally, this change makes sense to me; it=E2=80= =99s providing instructions to the compiler with no bits-on-the-wire = changes. spt= From nobody Wed Apr 12 16:03:44 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B801F129437 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:03:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hh1SCt47PSVc for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C516128BBB for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v3so34204594qtd.3 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:03:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=DrN2juOFEctgx0l14jGy+DssYfcThsdd62eeJlC4zyo=; b=dQcxfbPWAiGDp4qo9RmFYAoYhOlH5sh4Su6MHI3uvvZifYgUU8kjiFz2FmJxrzBLGZ 28ByRgxnOkefMkSQ5pZJdeHT3rePh7MZideedit0yj8xDmgUQ/cqcZw+HcAFbQqVvlra E4RC6/GFIOFaEADDvPUh90KgqjOuLNW0SHKwc= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=DrN2juOFEctgx0l14jGy+DssYfcThsdd62eeJlC4zyo=; b=YhB2Zzyp7uMViHeltVlloUNGQvXjqxXo/dw906qiJaRAZZhMiaVbDV/T4qe8DEdgrF kSzAUVhYnbtzF+tteh5r0gonI0d9fCpdUdZyUx1pvm1ffaz08Wtz0S2DXM9vWsBm0yYd bBXwb1p/wLOmtGStan0Q7l/UAWqap/dp/fMaKMEwvxOLinvK9CnrzIBBs0F6iEkoyf6g HomiCaaDCxSWSxSXmGHIfgDHSjvqGDGXXg0wkjzdb/BODtZ7twRlpyFyW7aCsiZPlewx 2+0/wntpL7h4nTiyAAd+vDgMeE4UsFLJNAU19IFeyFLdMngjkaBr6Quz/LJuA/WsqfD7 CnWg== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/4XlSIGGkDF0wMxpYisM+20W5nOwKAKapVAMuiIKSKjDGnyQSIv Qy5i3YMQpuz8nOROfSY= X-Received: by 10.200.56.51 with SMTP id q48mr108396qtb.83.1492038220335; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:03:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.18] ([96.231.229.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o190sm14452468qkc.65.2017.04.12.16.03.38 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:03:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:03:38 -0400 To: stir@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:03:42 -0000 In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number to = DTMFNumber. I created an issue: https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/issues/4 and here=E2=80=99s the PR showing the resulting change: https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/5 What do people think? spt= From nobody Wed Apr 12 16:08:15 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC36F1276AF for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id my7Lhc-m7iTh for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22b.google.com (mail-qk0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3707A126579 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p68so35974955qke.1 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :to; bh=MjAJMaYnCqmJprYnlYUXFa2ixbAXVH//xOJuVeNQak4=; b=P9SEDWydL1+MMusxMOLMPa1iM9RC70aRlf5JAC9YIBlW5IUsvzXD0wk3guy2Rqdnaj TZasr0FOmltUyq6CZKnZ7W/EYhjKccNeelEbAj3KbTLDHlhbqfF2sluIgVhareTOGfYf AFeU3s0PizfnY7337ndtTpCY2ADbv+G/iqVRg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:to; bh=MjAJMaYnCqmJprYnlYUXFa2ixbAXVH//xOJuVeNQak4=; b=FXFc55LDaYV44xmvYT2TySd8d7Ph2jTOB1azjGfJsLkNaj1+8GY39r3JxZY7RBdDR+ NXjLW2F85n6Rx0ZUuFWy9+o24JeiVxgyxqDk1m47JOANZEuEiO/TKHbqhtogcIiNPN+b vfKF3M+4HxonmscUF9ZXQI82yUnNnSYbleCrRoixXcBu7Ze1RSf5uyzD300GjM1nyCL3 46FQldilnjntkI5v+ifhmYIXS9s455Iu446o2bz8mM+nfdLZSHB6V9ynIq/YLPV2zWVW VMXwIYfCMuHtX8sUFDgxMQF7f4FMyayeH89mBxtCZ13OCWuRIRN1QPMU9nbJ8zcSqicF vkow== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/6cgp0aPWxb/EwDIWJUkA5PDP/Owy4Pq7eUaqMnMMsRvBlA/9kt 4JpGQVpitDjdVBMTlQw= X-Received: by 10.55.82.68 with SMTP id g65mr129933qkb.116.1492038491081; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.18] ([96.231.229.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d142sm14480243qkc.32.2017.04.12.16.08.09 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:08:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Message-Id: <3833BDE9-28B2-411E-BA61-6D4ECB1E01A8@sn3rd.com> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 19:08:09 -0400 To: stir@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: [stir] GH repo for stir-ocsp X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 23:08:14 -0000 I=E2=80=99ve also created a github repo for STIR: OCSP in case people = would like to submit PRs: https://github.com/stirwg/ocsp spt=20= From nobody Wed Apr 12 16:13:59 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB998129AD2 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:13:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.401 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.401 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9m-NBrxr7BzE for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 199971276AF for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 16:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049463.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049463.ppops.net-00191d01. 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bh=Rr3rlX5ZS3OKWrhRuwGM7q4T/F5WW2S9FmSUbo7wd+s=; b=DCRyvm+1Ut1jYEJw5DO1BaEA7y 6NXKqRoCViCM6kI6QMevDS6eq8PYEpY4tB3+H8raFwHg/XItHI7Rqkjdghjyl5kc1sUNGcSKVnIP8 DdRi6ZhKvlNjvf+YNIYwig0pK; Received: from pool-100-36-44-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.36.44.71]:61584 helo=[192.168.1.152]) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1cySXi-0002Q0-GG; Wed, 12 Apr 2017 18:23:22 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.21.0.170409 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2017 20:23:21 -0400 From: Richard Shockey To: Sean Turner , Message-ID: <52A4427F-8DEA-4B31-940D-658C463B6890@shockey.us> Thread-Topic: [stir] GH repo for stir-ocsp References: <3833BDE9-28B2-411E-BA61-6D4ECB1E01A8@sn3rd.com> In-Reply-To: <3833BDE9-28B2-411E-BA61-6D4ECB1E01A8@sn3rd.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box462.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - shockey.us X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.36.44.71 X-Exim-ID: 1cySXi-0002Q0-GG X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-36-44-71.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([192.168.1.152]) [100.36.44.71]:61584 X-Source-Auth: richard+shockey.us X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: c2hvY2tleXU7c2hvY2tleXU7Ym94NDYyLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] GH repo for stir-ocsp X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 00:28:38 -0000 I guess I need to ask this. =20 Who is proposing to adopt any of this? =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20 On 4/12/17, 7:08 PM, "stir on behalf of Sean Turner" wrote: I=E2=80=99ve also created a github repo for STIR: OCSP in case people would l= ike to submit PRs: https://github.com/stirwg/ocsp =20 spt=20 _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir =20 From nobody Thu Apr 13 06:46:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5032A129469 for ; 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Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AEF5130042F; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:46:32 -0400 Cc: IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7E0D6FF6-1E8B-40D2-8014-A8D21687ED78@vigilsec.com> References: To: Sean Turner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Constraining count X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:46:40 -0000 I support his change. It eliminates the ambiguity that range could be = used with a count of one. Russ > On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Sean Turner wrote: >=20 > In one of the threads Russ suggested that we constrain the number of = TNs in a range to be greater than two. I haven=E2=80=99t seen much = discussion on this so I went ahead and created an issue: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/issues/3 > and a PR to address the issue: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/6/files >=20 > What do people think? Personally, this change makes sense to me; = it=E2=80=99s providing instructions to the compiler with no = bits-on-the-wire changes. >=20 > spt > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Thu Apr 13 06:56:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF38120724 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t2JMyJ0qvR7q for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 06:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07F15124D68 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 06:47:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D3F930043A for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:47:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 7tknu1G0Qerj for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08D39300436; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 09:47:52 -0400 Cc: IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> References: To: "DOLLY, MARTIN C" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 13:56:08 -0000 Martin: E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include = digits and * and #? Russ > On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >=20 > Sean, >=20 > DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between = the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >=20 > Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Martin >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM > To: stir@ietf.org > Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >=20 > In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number = to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: > = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_c= ertificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhC= mpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa268= 1lT5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D=20 > and here=E2=80=99s the PR showing the resulting change: > = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_c= ertificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmp= w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl= -FCR5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D=20 >=20 > What do people think? >=20 > spt > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailma= n_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPXk= coeqf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Thu Apr 13 08:11:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F5B1294A6 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:11:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=chriswendt-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jj4jNaZT3hEQ for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x230.google.com (mail-qt0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26A7D126BF0 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x230.google.com with SMTP id v3so48042528qtd.3 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:11:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=chriswendt-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=t2yvEgvIzKuRZcaHk7SPX8GHa0OMOK4wJgQQxEaTPCc=; b=Rw9ynB8mFr+9JmRwz1hB5AHOehSb6bJoPIi8NM8OxC9xePMCyRUc70gzSp4CoYVkov wvqGr0dLlWWPycp3Qodbg5t2Fdz2ISfIv28ZLW8I8gVxYAypXgFYuBKzLVqIg75hHNxC 8UPVEQOOqtj39gRGsSLb5VwMxMOL+nA/kKt/+Rxg7P/bOghgafVFs48lJFxIzOC2g5Ky KaObCl462GjtSS1SQih5gjWk2SrVVTqze913jDmLdeTkB7ovO8TLs7qoDQxJgEvwMW3+ VMCm6F7Q8YKHWy9mBmuvLZ9QGpdj/N0G/d+dD1e1ikSx+r5iQV8A50lBgNESpJdwZHk1 MAVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=t2yvEgvIzKuRZcaHk7SPX8GHa0OMOK4wJgQQxEaTPCc=; b=FueZWE0CPyaD0MU425aNYtE5uiFEBCV5dab+OAq6PlwEBxdwWS3SB7flp4qDd0ELN0 87SLU7ee4uOWBNIH7ObqoQtmQunX9sVPVzGYmmDqxGMhUncdZssdoz5a5XpIWE240G4V zZ1OHEm1TuLcwLPAhdvS+liIWAUNfuwEMeBLgzRKrgqvlxgYjCT98FsGDZ7RHH+kWxIW l86e/Bda5mlzs++CQy3jzBzblvHhzP2X/CHuhhAPlYwC2YxQAGXtCMaPJqgBUf/9fmfA RNzsZiSwNW5XWL9xw7GoaJ6Vn+TpPqpw56DgWQaFZtfsLSs1JHTYdo2adJIB0kPgyueC oodw== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/4fqBimPdV5L8uerwm5a0QGXbMX/htjtt8xzmw8YewdhmNXuD2i 4p+1rTVM2a/oDQ== X-Received: by 10.237.62.253 with SMTP id o58mr2895291qtf.152.1492096285321; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:11:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:41:c101:1475:e989:74cd:478f:51b8? ([2601:41:c101:1475:e989:74cd:478f:51b8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u8sm2915318qtb.55.2017.04.13.08.11.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.2 \(3259\)) From: Chris Wendt In-Reply-To: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:11:23 -0400 Cc: Martin C Dolly , IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3259) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:11:29 -0000 Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing name = here, right? > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Martin: >=20 > E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include = digits and * and #? >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >>=20 >> Sean, >>=20 >> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between = the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>=20 >> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>=20 >> Regards, >>=20 >> Martin >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >> To: stir@ietf.org >> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>=20 >> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number = to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_c= ertificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhC= mpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa268= 1lT5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D=20 >> and here=E2=80=99s the PR showing the resulting change: >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_c= ertificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmp= w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl= -FCR5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D=20 >>=20 >> What do people think? >>=20 >> spt >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailma= n_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPXk= coeqf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Thu Apr 13 08:19:28 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A185126CF9 for ; 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charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-04-13_11:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1702020001 definitions=main-1704130129 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 15:19:27 -0000 Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to support a = corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over what to = call the field.=20 Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. > On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt wro= te: >=20 > Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing name = here, right? >=20 >> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>=20 >> Martin: >>=20 >> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include dig= its and * and #? >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >>>=20 >>> Sean, >>>=20 >>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between t= he UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>=20 >>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Martin >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>> To: stir@ietf.org >>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>=20 >>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number t= o DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirw= g_certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQ= hCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa26= 81lT5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D=20 >>> and here=92s the PR showing the resulting change: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirw= g_certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhC= mpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNc= l-FCR5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D=20 >>>=20 >>> What do people think? >>>=20 >>> spt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mai= lman_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw= 7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPX= kcoeqf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Thu Apr 13 10:33:53 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47B9612EA93 for ; 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Can I suggest =E2=80=9Cfred=E2=80=9D :) spt > On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:19, Peterson, Jon = wrote: >=20 > Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to = support a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize = over what to call the field.=20 >=20 > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. >=20 >> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt = wrote: >>=20 >> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing = name here, right? >>=20 >>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Martin: >>>=20 >>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include = digits and * and #? >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Sean, >>>>=20 >>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful = between the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>=20 >>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>>=20 >>>> Martin >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>=20 >>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename = E164Number to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_c= ertificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhC= mpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa268= 1lT5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D=20 >>>> and here=E2=80=99s the PR showing the resulting change: >>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_c= ertificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmp= w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl= -FCR5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D=20 >>>>=20 >>>> What do people think? >>>>=20 >>>> spt >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailma= n_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7I= tG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPXk= coeqf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Thu Apr 13 11:30:27 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A73D1315BF for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:30:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7AAIon19DHMZ for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C86BC1315A6 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 11:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049463.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049463.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Dolly Lead Member of Technical Staff Core & Government/Regulatory Standards AT&T Cell: +1.609.903.3360 Email: md3135@att.com On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Sean Turner > wrote: Jon=92s right here because no ASN.1 field=92s name is encoded on the wire. = Can I suggest =93fred=94 :) spt On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:19, Peterson, Jon > wrote: Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to support a = corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over what to = call the field. Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt > wrote: Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing name he= re, right? On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley > wrote: Martin: E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include digits= and * and #? Russ On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C > wrote: Sean, DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between the U= E and the SP processing those symbols. Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. Regards, Martin -----Original Message----- From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM To: stir@ietf.org Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number to DT= MFNumber. I created an issue: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_ce= rtificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmp= w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa2681lT= 5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D and here=92s the PR showing the resulting change: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_ce= rtificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7= ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl-FC= R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D What do people think? spt _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPXkcoe= qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3D6M6N4M5LZ1d6WcCBvI_vEcQlR3feA-kcNLreo3H_oig&s=3DD2ZbCmNqrBuXHVfSX9= ncLvfsfB2x5XlMh3I_KXfd3IQ&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3D6M6N4M5LZ1d6WcCBvI_vEcQlR3feA-kcNLreo3H_oig&s=3DD2ZbCmNqrBuXHVfSX9= ncLvfsfB2x5XlMh3I_KXfd3IQ&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3D6M6N4M5LZ1d6WcCBvI_vEcQlR3feA-kcNLreo3H_oig&s=3DD2ZbCmNqrBuXHVfSX9= ncLvfsfB2x5XlMh3I_KXfd3IQ&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3D6M6N4M5LZ1d6WcCBvI_vEcQlR3feA-kcNLreo3H_oig&s=3DD2ZbCmNqrBuXHVfSX9= ncLvfsfB2x5XlMh3I_KXfd3IQ&e=3D _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailman= _listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG= 0r2g&m=3D6M6N4M5LZ1d6WcCBvI_vEcQlR3feA-kcNLreo3H_oig&s=3DD2ZbCmNqrBuXHVfSX9= ncLvfsfB2x5XlMh3I_KXfd3IQ&e=3D --_000_EC7F6005D273471B98EF42C82D29E838attcom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Freddy

Martin C. Dolly=

Lead Member of Technical Staff

Core & Government/Regulatory = Standards

AT&T

Cell: +1.609.9= 03.3360

Email: md3135@att.com

 


On Apr 13, 2017, at 1:34 PM, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:

Jon=92s right here because no ASN.1 field=92s name is encoded on= the wire.  Can I suggest =93fred=94 :)

spt

On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:19, Peterson, Jon &l= t;jon.peterson@neustar.biz&= gt; wrote:

Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric c= haracters in certs to support a corner case that might arise in the future.= Let's not agonize over what to call the field.

Jon Peterson
Neustar, Inc.

On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt &= lt;chris-ietf@chriswendt.net> wrote:

Can we just call it telephoneNumber?  = I think we are mostly arguing name here, right?

On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley &= lt;housley@vigilsec.com> wro= te:

Martin:

E.164 only allows digits.  What should= we call a number that include digits and * and #?

Russ


On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN = C <md3135@att.com> wrote:

Sean,

DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing,= but is meaningful between the UE and the SP processing those symbols.

Therefore, I do not see this as an issue.

Regards,

Martin

-----Original Message-----
From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner=
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM
To: stir@i= etf.org
Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number<= br>

In another thread I remember seeing a sugge= stion to rename E164Number to DTMFNumber.  I created an issue:<= br>
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and here=92s the PR showing the resulting c= hange:
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhtt= ps-3A__github.com_stirwg_certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9= _HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_Wh= PcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl-FCR5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g= &e=3D

What do people think?

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--_000_EC7F6005D273471B98EF42C82D29E838attcom_-- From nobody Thu Apr 13 12:17:11 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57433131609 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:17:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.49.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149211103035.15670.3883863686347503300.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:17:10 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Milestones changed for stir WG X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:17:10 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit in-band mechanism for Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Submit credential specification for Proposed Standard", resolved as "Done". URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/stir/about/ From nobody Thu Apr 13 12:18:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37527131607 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:18:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.49.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149211108222.19237.7534899589021810007.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:18:02 -0700 From: IETF Secretariat Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Milestones changed for stir WG X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:18:02 -0000 Changed milestone "Submit out-of-band mechanism for Proposed Standard", set due date to November 2017 from June 2014. Changed milestone "Submit Privacy analysis for Informational", set due date to March 2018 from April 2014. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/stir/about/ From nobody Thu Apr 13 12:28:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35937128D69 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:28:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1mEM6IAbIef for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 316EA129A92 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 12:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.26.91]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v3DJSa0R013882 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:28:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.26.91] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: stir@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <9377d323-af38-2c72-099e-86d11e38bad5@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 14:28:36 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [stir] New milestones for STIR X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 19:28:39 -0000 I have updated the milestones for STIR that were already in the tracker. Based on the sense of the room in Chicago, Russ and I plan to ask that these milestones be added. Nov 2017 Submit mechanism for Caller Name conveyance for Proposed Standard Nov 2017 Submit mechanism for forwarding to diversion for Proposed Standard Nov 2017 Submit mechanism for certificate freshness for Proposed Standard draft-peterson-passport-divert and draft-peterson-stir-cnam are candidate starting points for the first two. draft-peterson-stir-certificates-shortlived is be a candidate starting point for the third. RjS From nobody Fri Apr 14 07:56:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F56F129482 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 07:56:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rlEeYxQiDbmq for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email1.corp.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-69-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C37C2124D68 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 07:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SC9-EX2K10MB1.corp.yaanatech.com ([fe80::149d:c2e1:8065:2a47]) by ex2k10hub1.corp.yaanatech.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 07:56:41 -0700 From: Michael Hammer To: "jon.peterson@neustar.biz" , "chris-ietf@chriswendt.net" CC: "stir@ietf.org" , "housley@vigilsec.com" , "md3135@att.com" Thread-Topic: [stir] Renaming E164Number Thread-Index: AQHSs+EJYp9Zq4HBn0uRHCQzOSzzIaHC0kmAgAD0ZACAABdWgIAAAjeAgAEVQeA= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 14:56:39 +0000 Message-ID: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com>, <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> In-Reply-To: <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.17.100.116] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 14:56:46 -0000 Jon, Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? Is there some semantic to those characters that needs=20 to be understood by both the sender and receiver? Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an opaque str= ing? ________________________________ Michael Hammer michael.hammer@yaanatech.com +1=A0408 202 9291 =A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email confidentialit= y notice. This message is private and confidential. If you have received th= is message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, Jon Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM To: Chris Wendt Cc: IETF STIR Mail List ; Russ Housley ; Martin C Dolly Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to support a = corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over what to = call the field.=20 Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. > On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt wro= te: >=20 > Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing name = here, right? >=20 >> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>=20 >> Martin: >>=20 >> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include dig= its and * and #? >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >>>=20 >>> Sean, >>>=20 >>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between t= he UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>=20 >>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Martin >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>> To: stir@ietf.org >>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>=20 >>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number t= o DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirw= g_certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQ= hCmpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa26= 81lT5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D=20 >>> and here's the PR showing the resulting change: >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirw= g_certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhC= mpw7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNc= l-FCR5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D=20 >>>=20 >>> What do people think? >>>=20 >>> spt >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mai= lman_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw= 7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPX= kcoeqf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Fri Apr 14 09:14:45 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AD4812947B for ; 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Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:14:35 -0400 From: "Peterson, Jon" To: Michael Hammer , "chris-ietf@chriswendt.net" CC: "stir@ietf.org" , "housley@vigilsec.com" , "md3135@att.com" Thread-Topic: [stir] Renaming E164Number Thread-Index: AQHSs+EMytpxAlQ6hEeERwjgqXvU56HCn/6AgAD0ZQCAABdVgP//vysjgAHPDID//9K2gA== Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:14:34 +0000 Message-ID: References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> In-Reply-To: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.3.160329 x-originating-ip: [10.96.13.31] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-04-14_11:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1702020001 definitions=main-1704140138 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:14:44 -0000 No mutual understanding of the semantics is required by the authentication and verification services here - though in practice, calls that are routed to destinations via a dial string with a * or # in it should end up going to fairly specialized pieces of equipment, and I'm actually less worried about canonicalization and so on being an issue for special dial strings like this than I am for ordinary E.164 numbers. We're not placing any restrictions on where in the dial string those non-numeric characters might appear, as there doesn't seem to be anything gained by doing so except introducing complexity. In terms of what to call it, if we can't agree on Freddie, I do think TN or something similarly generic is appropriate. If we already have a group field for TelphoneNumberRange, why wouldn't the base element be TelephoneNumber? Or if we'd be overloading some existing registered name by using that, like TelNum or something? Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. On 4/14/17, 10:56 AM, "Michael Hammer" wrote: >Jon, > >Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? > >Is there some semantic to those characters that needs >to be understood by both the sender and receiver? > >Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an opaque >string? > >________________________________ >Michael Hammer >michael.hammer@yaanatech.com >+1 408 202 9291 > >=A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email >confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. If you >have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from >your system. > >-----Original Message----- >From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, Jon >Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM >To: Chris Wendt >Cc: IETF STIR Mail List ; Russ Housley >; Martin C Dolly >Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number > >Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to support >a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over what >to call the field. > >Jon Peterson >Neustar, Inc. > >> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt >>wrote: >>=20 >> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing >>name here, right? >>=20 >>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>=20 >>> Martin: >>>=20 >>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that include >>>digits and * and #? >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Sean, >>>>=20 >>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful between >>>>the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>=20 >>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>=20 >>>> Regards, >>>>=20 >>>> Martin >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>=20 >>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename E164Number >>>>to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>>=20 >>>>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirw= g_ >>>>certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCS= SQhCmp >>>>w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa26= 81lT >>>>5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D >>>> and here's the PR showing the resulting change: >>>>=20 >>>>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirw= g_ >>>>certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQ= hCmpw7 >>>>ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNc= l-FC >>>>R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D >>>>=20 >>>> What do people think? >>>>=20 >>>> spt >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>=20 >>>>https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mai= lm >>>>an_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCm= pw7ItG >>>>0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPX= kcoe >>>>qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > >_______________________________________________ >stir mailing list >stir@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Fri Apr 14 09:32:17 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68C9D126C23 for ; 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Fri, 14 Apr 2017 12:32:10 -0400 From: "Peterson, Jon" To: Russ Housley , Sean Turner CC: IETF STIR Mail List Thread-Topic: [stir] Constraining count Thread-Index: AQHSs+Aryo19vvMLHkSAllZ432okLqHDlAUAgAF9jYA= Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:32:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <7E0D6FF6-1E8B-40D2-8014-A8D21687ED78@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <7E0D6FF6-1E8B-40D2-8014-A8D21687ED78@vigilsec.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.6.3.160329 x-originating-ip: [10.96.13.31] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <1FD67ABBE41DB5498F22A4B8BBA630A2@neustar.biz> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2017-04-14_11:, , signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1702020001 definitions=main-1704140141 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Constraining count X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:32:16 -0000 If you two are happy with this one, I'm happy. Jon Peterson Neustar, Inc. On 4/13/17, 9:46 AM, "stir on behalf of Russ Housley" wrote: >I support his change. It eliminates the ambiguity that range could be >used with a count of one. > >Russ > > >> On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Sean Turner wrote: >>=20 >> In one of the threads Russ suggested that we constrain the number of >>TNs in a range to be greater than two. I haven=B9t seen much discussion >>on this so I went ahead and created an issue: >> https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/issues/3 >> and a PR to address the issue: >> https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/6/files >>=20 >> What do people think? Personally, this change makes sense to me; it=B9s >>providing instructions to the compiler with no bits-on-the-wire changes. >>=20 >> spt >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > >_______________________________________________ >stir mailing list >stir@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Fri Apr 14 10:31:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B78C127977 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:30:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WRrTuOmR5joe for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D68821292AE for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 10:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F59030043A for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:30:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Dy6M5lyUeYF2 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 91FBD300229 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:30:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:30:51 -0400 References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> To: IETF STIR Mail List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <0185FA28-9D87-4833-8875-E0D343C4EF1F@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 17:30:58 -0000 Suggestion=E2=80=A6 OLD w/ the addition of SIZE to TelephoneNumberRange: TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, one E164Number } ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { start E164Number, count INTEGER } E164Number ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*=E2=80=9D= )) NEW: TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, one TelephoneNumber } ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { start TelephoneNumber, count INTEGER } TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM = ("0123456789#*=E2=80=9D)) If this is acceptable, then I ask the authors to make the changes and = post an updated I-D. Russ > On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Peterson, Jon = wrote: >=20 >=20 > No mutual understanding of the semantics is required by the = authentication > and verification services here - though in practice, calls that are = routed > to destinations via a dial string with a * or # in it should end up = going > to fairly specialized pieces of equipment, and I'm actually less = worried > about canonicalization and so on being an issue for special dial = strings > like this than I am for ordinary E.164 numbers. We're not placing any > restrictions on where in the dial string those non-numeric characters > might appear, as there doesn't seem to be anything gained by doing so > except introducing complexity. >=20 > In terms of what to call it, if we can't agree on Freddie, I do think = TN > or something similarly generic is appropriate. If we already have a = group > field for TelphoneNumberRange, why wouldn't the base element be > TelephoneNumber? Or if we'd be overloading some existing registered = name > by using that, like TelNum or something? >=20 > Jon Peterson > Neustar, Inc. >=20 > On 4/14/17, 10:56 AM, "Michael Hammer" > wrote: >=20 >> Jon, >>=20 >> Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? >>=20 >> Is there some semantic to those characters that needs >> to be understood by both the sender and receiver? >>=20 >> Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an = opaque >> string? >>=20 >> ________________________________ >> Michael Hammer >> michael.hammer@yaanatech.com >> +1 408 202 9291 >>=20 >> =C2=A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email >> confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. If = you >> have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it = from >> your system. >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, Jon >> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM >> To: Chris Wendt >> Cc: IETF STIR Mail List ; Russ Housley >> ; Martin C Dolly >> Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>=20 >> Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to = support >> a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over = what >> to call the field. >>=20 >> Jon Peterson >> Neustar, Inc. >>=20 >>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt = >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing >>> name here, right? >>>=20 >>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Martin: >>>>=20 >>>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that = include >>>> digits and * and #? >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Sean, >>>>>=20 >>>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful = between >>>>> the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Regards, >>>>>=20 >>>>> Martin >>>>>=20 >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean Turner >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>>=20 >>>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename = E164Number >>>>> to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>>>=20 >>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_ >>>>> = certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQh= Cmp >>>>> = w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa2681l= T >>>>> 5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D >>>>> and here's the PR showing the resulting change: >>>>>=20 >>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_ >>>>> = certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCm= pw7 >>>>> = ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl-F= C >>>>> R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D >>>>>=20 >>>>> What do people think? >>>>>=20 >>>>> spt >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>=20 >>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailm >>>>> = an_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7= ItG >>>>> = 0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPXkco= e >>>>> qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Fri Apr 14 13:55:07 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A23DD129508 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4oJmLMVt46Wk for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 307DA12952C for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 939FD30043A for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:55:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id iMdP9RsqZ4IQ for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 954F4300098 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 16:54:59 -0400 References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> <0185FA28-9D87-4833-8875-E0D343C4EF1F@vigilsec.com> To: IETF STIR Mail List In-Reply-To: <0185FA28-9D87-4833-8875-E0D343C4EF1F@vigilsec.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:55:06 -0000 Ooops. I put the (2..MAX) in the wrong spot. Also, I think that the TNEntry for spa should not be a list since = TNAuthorizationList can contain as many spa entries as desired. My revised suggestion is: TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { spc [0] ServiceProviderCode, range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, one TelephoneNumber } ServiceProviderCode ::=3D IA5String TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE { start TelephoneNumber, count INTEGER (2..MAX) } TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*=E2=80=9D= )) Russ > On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Suggestion=E2=80=A6 >=20 > OLD w/ the addition of SIZE to TelephoneNumberRange: >=20 > TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry >=20 > TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { > spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, > range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, > one E164Number } >=20 > ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String >=20 > TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { > start E164Number, > count INTEGER } >=20 > E164Number ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM = ("0123456789#*=E2=80=9D)) >=20 > NEW: >=20 > TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry >=20 > TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { > spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, > range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, > one TelephoneNumber } >=20 > ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String >=20 > TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { > start TelephoneNumber, > count INTEGER } >=20 > TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM = ("0123456789#*=E2=80=9D)) >=20 > If this is acceptable, then I ask the authors to make the changes and = post an updated I-D. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Peterson, Jon = wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >> No mutual understanding of the semantics is required by the = authentication >> and verification services here - though in practice, calls that are = routed >> to destinations via a dial string with a * or # in it should end up = going >> to fairly specialized pieces of equipment, and I'm actually less = worried >> about canonicalization and so on being an issue for special dial = strings >> like this than I am for ordinary E.164 numbers. We're not placing any >> restrictions on where in the dial string those non-numeric characters >> might appear, as there doesn't seem to be anything gained by doing so >> except introducing complexity. >>=20 >> In terms of what to call it, if we can't agree on Freddie, I do think = TN >> or something similarly generic is appropriate. If we already have a = group >> field for TelphoneNumberRange, why wouldn't the base element be >> TelephoneNumber? Or if we'd be overloading some existing registered = name >> by using that, like TelNum or something? >>=20 >> Jon Peterson >> Neustar, Inc. >>=20 >> On 4/14/17, 10:56 AM, "Michael Hammer" >> wrote: >>=20 >>> Jon, >>>=20 >>> Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? >>>=20 >>> Is there some semantic to those characters that needs >>> to be understood by both the sender and receiver? >>>=20 >>> Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an = opaque >>> string? >>>=20 >>> ________________________________ >>> Michael Hammer >>> michael.hammer@yaanatech.com >>> +1 408 202 9291 >>>=20 >>> =C2=A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email >>> confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. If = you >>> have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it = from >>> your system. >>>=20 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, Jon >>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM >>> To: Chris Wendt >>> Cc: IETF STIR Mail List ; Russ Housley >>> ; Martin C Dolly >>> Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>=20 >>> Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to = support >>> a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not agonize over = what >>> to call the field. >>>=20 >>> Jon Peterson >>> Neustar, Inc. >>>=20 >>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt = >>>> wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing >>>> name here, right? >>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Martin: >>>>>=20 >>>>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that = include >>>>> digits and * and #? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Russ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sean, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful = between >>>>>> the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Martin >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean = Turner >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename = E164Number >>>>>> to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_ >>>>>> = certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQh= Cmp >>>>>> = w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa2681l= T >>>>>> 5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D >>>>>> and here's the PR showing the resulting change: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_stirwg_ >>>>>> = certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCm= pw7 >>>>>> = ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7yNcl-F= C >>>>>> R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> What do people think? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> spt >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org_mailm >>>>>> = an_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCmpw7= ItG >>>>>> = 0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832JfPXkco= e >>>>>> qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 From nobody Tue Apr 18 11:27:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A36AF1300CF for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:27:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q-A6e77Kefpn for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from email1.corp.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-69-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.69]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 84A641293E4 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:27:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SC9-EX2K10MB1.corp.yaanatech.com ([fe80::149d:c2e1:8065:2a47]) by ex2k10hub1.corp.yaanatech.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0123.003; Tue, 18 Apr 2017 11:27:35 -0700 From: Michael Hammer To: "housley@vigilsec.com" , "stir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [stir] Renaming E164Number Thread-Index: AQHSs+EJYp9Zq4HBn0uRHCQzOSzzIaHC0kmAgAD0ZACAABdWgIAAAjeAgAEVQeCAAIyEAIAAFVCAgAA5CYCABao/0A== Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:27:34 +0000 Message-ID: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD109E71@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> <0185FA28-9D87-4833-8875-E0D343C4EF1F@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.17.100.174] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2017 18:27:38 -0000 That addressed my main concern. I have qualms about dial strings, but will let this play out to see where it goes. ________________________________ Michael Hammer michael.hammer@yaanatech.com +1 408 202 9291 =A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email confidentialit= y notice. This message is private and confidential. If you have received th= is message in error, please notify us and remove it from your system. -----Original Message----- From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:55 PM To: IETF STIR Mail List Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number Ooops. I put the (2..MAX) in the wrong spot. Also, I think that the TNEntry for spa should not be a list since TNAuthori= zationList can contain as many spa entries as desired. My revised suggestion is: TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { spc [0] ServiceProviderCode, range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, one TelephoneNumber } ServiceProviderCode ::=3D IA5String TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE { start TelephoneNumber, count INTEGER (2..MAX) } TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*")) Russ > On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > > Suggestion... > > OLD w/ the addition of SIZE to TelephoneNumberRange: > > TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry > > TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { > spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, > range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, > one E164Number } > > ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String > > TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { > start E164Number, > count INTEGER } > > E164Number ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*")) > > NEW: > > TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry > > TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { > spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, > range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, > one TelephoneNumber } > > ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String > > TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { > start TelephoneNumber, > count INTEGER } > > TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM > ("0123456789#*")) > > If this is acceptable, then I ask the authors to make the changes and pos= t an updated I-D. > > Russ > > >> On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Peterson, Jon w= rote: >> >> >> No mutual understanding of the semantics is required by the >> authentication and verification services here - though in practice, >> calls that are routed to destinations via a dial string with a * or # >> in it should end up going to fairly specialized pieces of equipment, >> and I'm actually less worried about canonicalization and so on being >> an issue for special dial strings like this than I am for ordinary >> E.164 numbers. We're not placing any restrictions on where in the >> dial string those non-numeric characters might appear, as there >> doesn't seem to be anything gained by doing so except introducing comple= xity. >> >> In terms of what to call it, if we can't agree on Freddie, I do think >> TN or something similarly generic is appropriate. If we already have >> a group field for TelphoneNumberRange, why wouldn't the base element >> be TelephoneNumber? Or if we'd be overloading some existing >> registered name by using that, like TelNum or something? >> >> Jon Peterson >> Neustar, Inc. >> >> On 4/14/17, 10:56 AM, "Michael Hammer" >> wrote: >> >>> Jon, >>> >>> Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? >>> >>> Is there some semantic to those characters that needs to be >>> understood by both the sender and receiver? >>> >>> Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an >>> opaque string? >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Michael Hammer >>> michael.hammer@yaanatech.com >>> +1 408 202 9291 >>> >>> =A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email >>> confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. If >>> you have received this message in error, please notify us and remove >>> it from your system. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, Jon >>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM >>> To: Chris Wendt >>> Cc: IETF STIR Mail List ; Russ Housley >>> ; Martin C Dolly >>> Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>> >>> Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to >>> support a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not >>> agonize over what to call the field. >>> >>> Jon Peterson >>> Neustar, Inc. >>> >>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly arguing >>>> name here, right? >>>> >>>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley wrot= e: >>>>> >>>>> Martin: >>>>> >>>>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that >>>>> include digits and * and #? >>>>> >>>>> Russ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean, >>>>>> >>>>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful >>>>>> between the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>>> >>>>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Martin >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean >>>>>> Turner >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>>> >>>>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename >>>>>> E164Number to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_s >>>>>> tirwg_ >>>>>> certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8= uCS >>>>>> SQhCmp >>>>>> w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMI= a >>>>>> 2681lT 5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D and here's the PR >>>>>> showing the resulting change: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_s >>>>>> tirwg_ >>>>>> certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uC= SSQ >>>>>> hCmpw7 >>>>>> ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7= y >>>>>> Ncl-FC >>>>>> R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D >>>>>> >>>>>> What do people think? >>>>>> >>>>>> spt >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>> >>>>>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org >>>>>> _mailm >>>>>> an_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQ= hCm >>>>>> pw7ItG >>>>>> 0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832J= f >>>>>> PXkcoe >>>>>> qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >> >> _______________________________________________ >> stir mailing list >> stir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > _______________________________________________ stir mailing list stir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Wed Apr 19 05:56:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEF18129532 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:56:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bXp7pVPuLPsb for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 87951127201 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 05:56:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AEB630050E for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:56:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Kv7EBID-MIIr for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.149.222] (unknown [204.48.58.5]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 586D630050A; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <2d6af998-24c0-9d60-4831-c086f16c4fd9@yaanatech.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 08:56:12 -0400 Cc: IETF STIR Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <46CF1F92-B28C-4828-BB99-3C75DDF4B2F3@vigilsec.com> References: <2d6af998-24c0-9d60-4831-c086f16c4fd9@yaanatech.com> To: Tony Rutkowski X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:56:18 -0000 > On Apr 5, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Tony Rutkowski wrote: >=20 > Ah, could somebody clarify and explain this statement: >=20 >> - IESG had many comments about the certificates draft - Service = Provider Codes - Coordinating with ATIS since they're the ones using all = of the different identifiers=20 Tony: The TNEntry defined in the stir-certificates draft includes a CHOICE for = service provider codes. ATIS is the one that uses these codes. Russ From nobody Wed Apr 19 07:48:42 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AE72129AC9 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:48:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SJkI1G_QeGWB for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mil-admin1.yaanatech.net (38-110-174-3-static.dzbja.com [38.110.174.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A0C3129AC4 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from extmail1.yaanatech.com (12-12-158-76-static.dzbja.com [12.12.158.76]) by mil-admin1.yaanatech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA3917A; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:48:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.53] (pool-70-106-242-209.clppva.fios.verizon.net [70.106.242.209]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by extmail1.yaanatech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F03258090; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:48:39 +0000 (UTC) Reply-To: tony@yaanatech.com To: Russ Housley Cc: IETF STIR Mail List References: <2d6af998-24c0-9d60-4831-c086f16c4fd9@yaanatech.com> <46CF1F92-B28C-4828-BB99-3C75DDF4B2F3@vigilsec.com> From: Tony Rutkowski Organization: Yaana Technologies LLC Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:48:38 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <46CF1F92-B28C-4828-BB99-3C75DDF4B2F3@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Minutes for session at IETF 98 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:48:41 -0000 Hi Russ, That is simply not the way the world of global telephony works - legally, technically, operationally, or institutionally. Is this a manifestation of the new alt-truth IETF? --tony On 19-Apr-17 8:56 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> On Apr 5, 2017, at 3:38 PM, Tony Rutkowski wrote:= >> >> Ah, could somebody clarify and explain this statement: >> >>> - IESG had many comments about the certificates draft - Service Provi= der Codes - Coordinating with ATIS since they're the ones using all of th= e different identifiers > Tony: > > The TNEntry defined in the stir-certificates draft includes a CHOICE fo= r service provider codes. ATIS is the one that uses these codes. > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir > From nobody Wed Apr 19 14:42:43 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietf.org Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036CA12783A; Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:42:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: Cc: stir@ietf.org, adam@nostrum.com, stir-chairs@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.50.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <149263816091.22236.2637089124584464306.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 14:42:40 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [stir] stir - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 99 X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2017 21:42:41 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Robert Sparks, a Chair of the stir working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Robert Sparks Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 60 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: lamps acme tls ecrit avtcore rtcweb mmusic sipcore dispatch appsawg ice modern ipwave sipbrandy curdle Second Priority: perc slim netvc clue tcpinc uta ace saag oauth People who must be present: Russ Housley Sean Turner Adam Roach Robert Sparks Jon Peterson Chris Wendt Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Thu Apr 20 12:04:46 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17145129BA4 for ; 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Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:04:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.18] ([96.231.229.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f56sm4764787qta.14.2017.04.20.12.04.19 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Apr 2017 12:04:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 15:04:18 -0400 References: <1043CA0F-0D2E-4130-A4B8-8AC060D34E6B@vigilsec.com> <301EC44E-15CB-47F2-88C4-1ED91FE023E6@chriswendt.net> <8CCC018C-3BB8-48AB-9365-5C52F22174CF@neustar.biz> <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD10819B@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> <0185FA28-9D87-4833-8875-E0D343C4EF1F@vigilsec.com> <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD109E71@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> To: "stir@ietf.org" In-Reply-To: <00C069FD01E0324C9FFCADF539701DB3BD109E71@sc9-ex2k10mb1.corp.yaanatech.com> Message-Id: <0E63A464-B59B-4BE2-9E85-DA7925315399@sn3rd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 19:04:45 -0000 All I=E2=80=99ve revised the PR to reflect switch the = =E2=80=9CTelephoneNumber=E2=80=9D: https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/5 Note that I=E2=80=99ve got another PR to address the changes to = ServiceProviderCodeList. spt > On Apr 18, 2017, at 14:27, Michael Hammer = wrote: >=20 > That addressed my main concern. >=20 > I have qualms about dial strings, but > will let this play out to see where it goes. >=20 > ________________________________ > Michael Hammer > michael.hammer@yaanatech.com > +1 408 202 9291 >=20 > =C2=A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email = confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. If you = have received this message in error, please notify us and remove it from = your system. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:55 PM > To: IETF STIR Mail List > Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number >=20 > Ooops. I put the (2..MAX) in the wrong spot. >=20 > Also, I think that the TNEntry for spa should not be a list since = TNAuthorizationList can contain as many spa entries as desired. >=20 > My revised suggestion is: >=20 > TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry >=20 > TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { > spc [0] ServiceProviderCode, > range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, > one TelephoneNumber } >=20 > ServiceProviderCode ::=3D IA5String >=20 > TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE { > start TelephoneNumber, > count INTEGER (2..MAX) } >=20 > TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*")) >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 14, 2017, at 1:30 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>=20 >> Suggestion... >>=20 >> OLD w/ the addition of SIZE to TelephoneNumberRange: >>=20 >> TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry >>=20 >> TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { >> spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, >> range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, >> one E164Number } >>=20 >> ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String >>=20 >> TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { >> start E164Number, >> count INTEGER } >>=20 >> E164Number ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM ("0123456789#*")) >>=20 >> NEW: >>=20 >> TNAuthorizationList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..MAX) OF TNEntry >>=20 >> TNEntry ::=3D CHOICE { >> spc [0] ServiceProviderCodeList, >> range [1] TelephoneNumberRange, >> one TelephoneNumber } >>=20 >> ServiceProviderCodeList ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (1..3) OF IA5String >>=20 >> TelephoneNumberRange ::=3D SEQUENCE SIZE (2..MAX) { >> start TelephoneNumber, >> count INTEGER } >>=20 >> TelephoneNumber ::=3D IA5String (SIZE (1..15)) (FROM >> ("0123456789#*")) >>=20 >> If this is acceptable, then I ask the authors to make the changes and = post an updated I-D. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Apr 14, 2017, at 12:14 PM, Peterson, Jon = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> No mutual understanding of the semantics is required by the >>> authentication and verification services here - though in practice, >>> calls that are routed to destinations via a dial string with a * or = # >>> in it should end up going to fairly specialized pieces of equipment, >>> and I'm actually less worried about canonicalization and so on being >>> an issue for special dial strings like this than I am for ordinary >>> E.164 numbers. We're not placing any restrictions on where in the >>> dial string those non-numeric characters might appear, as there >>> doesn't seem to be anything gained by doing so except introducing = complexity. >>>=20 >>> In terms of what to call it, if we can't agree on Freddie, I do = think >>> TN or something similarly generic is appropriate. If we already have >>> a group field for TelphoneNumberRange, why wouldn't the base element >>> be TelephoneNumber? Or if we'd be overloading some existing >>> registered name by using that, like TelNum or something? >>>=20 >>> Jon Peterson >>> Neustar, Inc. >>>=20 >>> On 4/14/17, 10:56 AM, "Michael Hammer" = >>> wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Jon, >>>>=20 >>>> Can the * and # be used arbitrarily anywhere in the string? >>>>=20 >>>> Is there some semantic to those characters that needs to be >>>> understood by both the sender and receiver? >>>>=20 >>>> Or does it not matter because the recipient only treats it as an >>>> opaque string? >>>>=20 >>>> ________________________________ >>>> Michael Hammer >>>> michael.hammer@yaanatech.com >>>> +1 408 202 9291 >>>>=20 >>>> =C2=A9 2016 Yaana Technologies, LLC. All Rights Reserved. Email >>>> confidentiality notice. This message is private and confidential. = If >>>> you have received this message in error, please notify us and = remove >>>> it from your system. >>>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peterson, = Jon >>>> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 11:19 AM >>>> To: Chris Wendt >>>> Cc: IETF STIR Mail List ; Russ Housley >>>> ; Martin C Dolly >>>> Subject: Re: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>=20 >>>> Agreed. We are allowing these non-numeric characters in certs to >>>> support a corner case that might arise in the future. Let's not >>>> agonize over what to call the field. >>>>=20 >>>> Jon Peterson >>>> Neustar, Inc. >>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 11:11 AM, Chris Wendt >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Can we just call it telephoneNumber? I think we are mostly = arguing >>>>> name here, right? >>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:47 AM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Martin: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> E.164 only allows digits. What should we call a number that >>>>>> include digits and * and #? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Russ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2017, at 7:13 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Sean, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> DTMF has no end to end meaning for routing, but is meaningful >>>>>>> between the UE and the SP processing those symbols. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Therefore, I do not see this as an issue. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Martin >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: stir [mailto:stir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sean >>>>>>> Turner >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 7:04 PM >>>>>>> To: stir@ietf.org >>>>>>> Subject: [stir] Renaming E164Number >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> In another thread I remember seeing a suggestion to rename >>>>>>> E164Number to DTMFNumber. I created an issue: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_s >>>>>>> tirwg_ >>>>>>> = certificates_issues_4&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCS >>>>>>> SQhCmp >>>>>>> = w7ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DDXAZMIa >>>>>>> 2681lT 5v97AAp36rnY1CfZpJifa2PbpimkwQ&e=3D and here's the PR >>>>>>> showing the resulting change: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__github.com_s >>>>>>> tirwg_ >>>>>>> = certificates_pull_5&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQ >>>>>>> hCmpw7 >>>>>>> = ItG0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3D72Ta2iS7y >>>>>>> Ncl-FC >>>>>>> R5HdvXB5njEfC12k0kLz7QgCp87g&e=3D >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> What do people think? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> spt >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.org >>>>>>> _mailm >>>>>>> = an_listinfo_stir&d=3DDwIGaQ&c=3DLFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=3DG9v8uCSSQhCm >>>>>>> pw7ItG >>>>>>> = 0r2g&m=3DUhVA_2O-z5DN-Bdom_WhPcD_-4nWww1SYGSyTVjFPBA&s=3DNSOnsQJ832Jf >>>>>>> PXkcoe >>>>>>> qf68PvPzxIr21SPbpPP4dg270&e=3D >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> stir mailing list >>>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> stir mailing list >>>>> stir@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> stir mailing list >>>> stir@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> stir mailing list >>> stir@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stir mailing list > stir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stir From nobody Thu Apr 20 12:06:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DFA8120727 for ; 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Add constraints to count, i.e., (2..MAX) 2. Rename E164Number to TelephoneNumber 3. 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Add constraints to count, i.e., (2..MAX) > 2. Rename E164Number to TelephoneNumber > 3. Tweaks to ServiceProviderCodeList >=20 > spt >=20 From nobody Thu Apr 20 17:40:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7BA1128B4E for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EC8Xm_ku4wMm for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22a.google.com (mail-qt0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 466A212EAAF for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id c45so59026994qtb.1 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:40:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=WlDYDIwtlWQf580ur/cSxwyp6Lgn7ZK3ChJuBgk52ao=; b=DsrFZcSzZ3ozwkmGSyk0gHDcj551QjgMJH8xr5d4EaJNR+SWcwLO0mMdJ3xSbO7XGe 2AcixH1hTRtB7a2vB1eWqZenGivFLZbfvB7BnG5WTFWhtoO2BWwP9xBJSjyArMOTUcpB 4V6ZWAN0Blf0vNkui+kLEPTedzOnODfoaSsiI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=WlDYDIwtlWQf580ur/cSxwyp6Lgn7ZK3ChJuBgk52ao=; b=Pg0wv23fXoSCoinvrTaoPOtDXZpJfC5YC1NtC0in1hm6CqiaR4ogR2HPczqt9XupYn rY3eGWRawp3prrTAltK220o1l58riUvBweFy1UevT0szkfYFZMGN/HIYjPKiljvaNNz6 61uExFF1y/ERwvkLeYB3uL8/4Sd8f3FyyNvdQI85RUiG0CO2oaUoyVoafJzH7BE6+kDw 69GU9qPaof/w4QGeLJlMjA/3tvnZCTdIjCFmcz1f32JGFcXz2Y5dOrPEno+a7t9/U22Y guUGdRkusFL255B+e8mMx3DvN0IAwi2rmFx6RcsevxR4D4OahZkKy0/lilH5M4UCndY0 HbqQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/7ivTvcyLrKGWDHd3ly04mjsBmy1GGaPkaRcbq+Op6TXXm3rl1h CKX2s22v6pdy740Wzsg= X-Received: by 10.200.40.84 with SMTP id 20mr10665204qtr.169.1492735248200; Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.16.0.18] ([96.231.229.219]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x67sm5281341qkd.67.2017.04.20.17.40.47 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 20 Apr 2017 17:40:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2017 20:40:44 -0400 References: To: stir@ietf.org In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <4AE9FF2B-4B27-4CED-B81F-7A4988581E77@sn3rd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] JWTClaimConstraints syntax PR X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2017 00:40:56 -0000 I=E2=80=99ve updated the PR with revised text to introduce the = JWTClaimConstraints syntax. Please review it as I wasn=E2=80=99t = present at the meeting and I=E2=80=99m not entirely sure I=E2=80=99ve = properly captured the words that go with the syntax: https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/2 One question: Was mkey specifically dropped as a baseline claim? mkey = was previously a baseline claim but it wasn=E2=80=99t noted in the = syntax so I assumed it=E2=80=99s no longer considered a baseline claim. spt > On Apr 12, 2017, at 18:53, Sean Turner wrote: >=20 > All, >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve created a github repo for the stir-certificates draft: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates >=20 > I also created an issue: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/issues/1 > and a PR (pull request) to address that issue making the change to the = JWTClaimConstraints syntax: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/2 >=20 > Please note the text that introduces the ASN.1 will also need to be = revised, but I wanted to make sure I got the syntax right before going = to far down the line. >=20 > spt From nobody Tue Apr 25 20:45:09 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 765F1127058 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:45:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=sn3rd.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K-WPXUaOJl_J for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:45:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22a.google.com (mail-it0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E39911204DA for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:45:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id f187so26373243ite.1 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:45:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sn3rd.com; s=google; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=nx/6jRiJwgVLyN6FOikUuDr5BldOcL2WQkXSqbm+qk8=; b=a0V6Mi56+O6s8m3JW9yIM0RVLeM+2hJ3bChbu7x43UbyXsFPSLRceKUXLRhniXsw3c qpLiuG5TNxlMZX2FcVyBGSdGBvYeKvJaoL5rhY9f/6fTGOkV+fTkgOaC9E0ZP/8UgVUC gjeGajboAhx3j3ReBz7vjLUsWdkyx7lpPUmHM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=nx/6jRiJwgVLyN6FOikUuDr5BldOcL2WQkXSqbm+qk8=; b=L2rBxqhe09RQS4tc5lsw3aCna0kul1qsy7Sn3mpHkCugy/azoNLsees/h5x9YQIHbp yNGft1+TL+gwwcg6MxVN8dTTFYHHIlYi4LKOWlBGo8ZGejP2bHjvU+QVAnhSzVrq1VuM XWxbToCwSo0OWdgbwkqrpah8Cm2sq3v0TyTIkO8Gr3cS16SMygSr3qE8ndhnvVYYYyGO EQCWgLCBvvp7Nrfz7Xlj93UmxOooxILucZhAXT0zeyEA3SY/7taTM8fkiyCMd7l8M4Dm nKECsN/urVg7b0JT/HLHgO7/zyDu8RgARV50rz4N0C3zDFPNEjdbpxHC1rwWraitjzZV TZsw== X-Gm-Message-State: AN3rC/7PnVZC0Z7JQvklp9sqDYfwyqFZqxy85zKB5By6qGLGZKl+2dOQ 5O7TwEbxBo8jhojVPn0= X-Received: by 10.36.65.68 with SMTP id x65mr9131027ita.117.1493178304944; Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [5.5.33.187] (vpn.snozzages.com. [204.42.252.17]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g73sm1095397ioi.31.2017.04.25.20.45.02 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 25 Apr 2017 20:45:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Sean Turner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2017 22:44:58 -0500 References: <39E47B7D-1D96-4841-8339-B7F7F5B0763B@sn3rd.com> To: IETF STIR Mail List In-Reply-To: <39E47B7D-1D96-4841-8339-B7F7F5B0763B@sn3rd.com> Message-Id: <3A5B4A19-65D2-4B6A-BF10-632AB3574F43@sn3rd.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [stir] Changes to ServiceProviderCodeList X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2017 03:45:07 -0000 I=E2=80=99m looking at merging these PRs on Thursday. Please let me = know if you think I=E2=80=99ve missed anything. spt > On Apr 20, 2017, at 14:06, Sean Turner wrote: >=20 > To remove the constraints on ServiceProviderCodeList I=E2=80=99ve = created an issue: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/issues/7 > and a PR: > https://github.com/stirwg/certificates/pull/8 >=20 > To date that=E2=80=99s three tweaks to the TNAuthoriztionList syntax: > 1. Add constraints to count, i.e., (2..MAX) > 2. Rename E164Number to TelephoneNumber > 3. 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Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [stir] Potential dates for a STIR virtual interim X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:16:29 -0000 We are planning to hold a STIR virtual interim before we get to IETF99 to move the out-of-band, certificate freshness, and passport extensions work forward. 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RjS From nobody Fri Apr 28 13:07:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4092129B4F for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:07:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-2.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=shockey.us Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oP3jMEqDirM6 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:07:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (qproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.16.161]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 20E87129537 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 13:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CMOut01 (unknown [10.0.90.82]) by qproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0465235D2C for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:05:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box462.bluehost.com ([74.220.219.62]) by CMOut01 with id Dw0p1v00b1MNPNq01w0s8S; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:00:53 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=K+5SJ2eI c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=jTEj1adHphCQ5SwrTAOQMg==:117 a=jTEj1adHphCQ5SwrTAOQMg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MKtGQD3n3ToA:10 a=1oJP67jkp3AA:10 a=AzvcPWV-tVgA:10 a=jqBRFv0mrdUA:10 a=ZZnuYtJkoWoA:10 a=doUQZJtgAAAA:8 a=ll-iCDY8AAAA:8 a=M0OflfRGAAAA:8 a=vmj6re0YenbP_6spScYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ivbTfD_dPm4A:10 a=d0-0EwFVFT64L02gzcZV:22 a=VpyrLIdO_Ztbr3SWPBuH:22 a=6yl0mh0s51TKORVA8GqK:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shockey.us; s=default; h=Content-transfer-encoding:Content-type:Mime-version:Message-ID: To:From:Subject:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=J8rmy9DwodokyIm5U27msA9LAHEF95drtkuX6OBFlvg=; b=GxuJBA857OsswZpopN28PppLDL 2bqWCADT6SQ9hGz23FtZ1kFVt9WzRNT0slJ6jVHHCA/9oX6HiqOTZ4dRIAzoqXixx+tIHZjpXwhTb G5qm7paWBQCglIHw7rz0VHHR+; Received: from pool-100-36-40-78.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.36.40.78]:50354 helo=[192.168.1.152]) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1d4C4P-0007dF-5A for stir@ietf.org; Fri, 28 Apr 2017 14:00:49 -0600 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/f.21.0.170409 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 16:00:48 -0400 From: Richard Shockey To: "stir@ietf.org" Message-ID: <45732C92-7884-499F-9555-0D99B853ABDB@shockey.us> Thread-Topic: FYI ... the second FCC robocall strike force report was issued today. 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X-BeenThere: stir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Secure Telephone Identity Revisited List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2017 20:07:29 -0000 https://www.fcc.gov/file/12311/download It=E2=80=99s my understanding that no further meetings or reports are forthcoming= . Ongoing activity will shift to the various SDO=E2=80=99s and Industry Organizat= ions that have contributed to this effort.=20 =E2=80=94=20 Richard Shockey Shockey Consulting LLC Chairman of the Board SIP Forum www.shockey.us www.sipforum.org richardshockey.us Skype-Linkedin-Facebook =E2=80=93Twitter rshockey101 PSTN +1 703-593-2683 =20