From oej@edvina.net Tue Oct 1 00:38:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5577821F9A44 for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:38:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.028 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.028 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.299, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsVbunHuA4Hy for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:38:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [IPv6:2a02:920:212e::205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F1921F918F for ; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 00:38:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.76] (h87-96-134-129.dynamic.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 72B5B93C2A3; Tue, 1 Oct 2013 07:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <524A7056.20900@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2013 09:38:40 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20130930215620.31558.59064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <524A7056.20900@gmail.com> To: miconda@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Cc: stox@ietf.org, "Olle E. Johansson" Subject: Re: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-im-04.txt X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Oct 2013 07:38:51 -0000 Hello, A few random notes: - Call-ID examples always have a domain in the call id in this draft. As = the Call-ID is just a random string, I would prefer either hostname to follow the requirements to make it globally unique, or just a = random string. I do not want developers to=20 believe that attaching a domain is recommended behaviour. - Maybe some examples should include international character sets. Julia = says "Jag kommer, Romeo! Din sk=E5l jag dricker!" or Romeo: "Om jag f=E5r s=F6mnens smicker-=F6ga tro, S=E5 b=E5dar dr=F6mmen mig en fr=F6jdfull nyhet." This is still plain text, but not ASCII... Table2: (But maybe this is back to core) - Translation of r-uri to to: header thus overriding the To: header is = something worth discussing, if it hasn't been discussed yet. The SIP To: header is the original = destination of the message, and the R-uri is the current target. Additional notes: - A SIP MESSAGE can fork. The draft doesn't mention that, something that = may have impact on implementations. There's a JID on one side - but a forking address = on the other side of this spec. - A SIP MESSAGE can be delivered inside of a dialog and outside of a = dialog. Inside of a dialog is maybe out of scope for this draft, but in that case the remote = target will be a contact address, maybe even a GRUU. /O 1 okt 2013 kl. 08:48 skrev Daniel-Constantin Mierla : > Hello, >=20 > the SIP message example in chapter 4. SIP to XMPP has the =46rom = header without tag parameter. Should be like: >=20 > From: ;tag=3Dxyz >=20 > Daniel >=20 > On 9/30/13 11:56 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: >> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. >> This draft is a work item of the SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group of the = IETF. >>=20 >> Title : Interworking between the Session Initiation = Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol = (XMPP): Instant Messaging >> Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre >> Avshalom Houri >> Joe Hildebrand >> Filename : draft-ietf-stox-im-04.txt >> Pages : 10 >> Date : 2013-09-30 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> This document defines a bidirectional protocol mapping for the >> exchange of single instant messages between the Session Initiation >> Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol >> (XMPP). >>=20 >>=20 >> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stox-im >>=20 >> There's also a htmlized version available at: >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-im-04 >>=20 >> A diff from the previous version is available at: >> http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-stox-im-04 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: >> ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> stox mailing list >> stox@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox >=20 > --=20 > Daniel-Constantin Mierla - http://www.asipto.com > http://twitter.com/#!/miconda - http://www.linkedin.com/in/miconda > Kamailio Advanced Trainings - Berlin, Nov 25-28; Miami, Nov 18-20, = 2013 > - more details about Kamailio trainings at http://www.asipto.com - >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stox mailing list > stox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Oct 2 18:21:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C41F921F9E9D for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 18:21:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5711+6IlgGm6 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 18:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0FA521F9C4C for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 18:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [71.237.13.154]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16967414CD; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 19:25:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <524CA1CD.2060301@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2013 15:44:29 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Olle E. Johansson" References: <20130930215620.31558.59064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <524A7056.20900@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: miconda@gmail.com, stox@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-im-04.txt X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 01:21:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hej Olle! Thanks for the feedback. On 10/1/13 12:38 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > Hello, A few random notes: > > - Call-ID examples always have a domain in the call id in this > draft. Also in the presence draft. > As the Call-ID is just a random string, I would prefer either > hostname to follow the requirements to make it globally unique, or > just a random string. I do not want developers to believe that > attaching a domain is recommended behaviour. Will fix throughout the document suite (the groupchat I-D has some examples with Call-ID values that are not globally unique, such as "711609sa"). > - Maybe some examples should include international character sets. > Julia says > > "Jag kommer, Romeo! Din skål jag dricker!" > > or Romeo: > > "Om jag får sömnens smicker-öga tro, Så bådar drömmen mig en > fröjdfull nyhet." > > This is still plain text, but not ASCII... Not knowing Swedish, I usually use Czech for my examples. :-) But you make a good point, and I always like to include non-ASCII examples wherever possible. > Table2: (But maybe this is back to core) - Translation of r-uri to > to: header thus overriding the To: header is something worth > discussing, if it hasn't been discussed yet. The SIP To: header is > the original destination of the message, and the R-uri is the > current target. Yes, I think that belongs in the core I-D. > Additional notes: > > - A SIP MESSAGE can fork. The draft doesn't mention that, > something that may have impact on implementations. There's a JID on > one side - but a forking address on the other side of this spec. - > A SIP MESSAGE can be delivered inside of a dialog and outside of a > dialog. Inside of a dialog is maybe out of scope for this draft, > but in that case the remote target will be a contact address, maybe > even a GRUU. Hmm, and here I thought we might be able to discuss forking only in the media I-D. But I think you're right that we need to discuss it here, too. What specification has the best coverage of forking? Or is this part of the "oral tradition" in the SIP community? Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.19 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSTKHNAAoJEOoGpJErxa2puu8P/0aGhlwsha3WK2/kPqqG+c9o Qd+hJ1cpDbOeJoyNTE72cKFQvng41hS7FHkriDDUB0V7uG4aCY2csSMQpG7Zfsx4 qCGPIHcJtxKPEx9GYqueawS2cy/3LkCD7PdrDW3FSI2hLBODuxm3uUSJge+Hoxoo 2qb05qEsYf/ZgC2eID9Gp8Ui1c0AHIskgpiZ8KZZLCAEnt8kfRNqL45IpSG5lRh4 JgsdjWkoQ/Niy+4ViwNuF65AnnO0gW/tIZPx9DNgS/Yd3caWu+IpV9Kt+G4Y23wM paK4FWB9P3YMmBEESnIYHNIwXY/Xc9iDknBa9Ehe6RDUTv/yrqPu4gtAXKa0zTG/ 6wTtFXuekSxEuV+200fNLAJGulRVHiEg/o6mIfvjpusv6EATHtr3CXtAZS0AA92e c0aEKM2m8h1wWqvRP4VQygyjFERTgNACT3pyORDH537WXDe3fbLf5JR0yFcDuGw7 3OvW57QY9gVRhGsDRojlVr/RiJ8wBgC1Q0ssHzHZMeatIsTVvncwdULvClUWUqVZ YKxR6rzaZVR0wSXfjAJAVlArQxY4gGBrfZZOPrJSMeEtRJttcESKK6ecPDHHZydU viQ8XJpVDBHHzF12qQv2CDI313Co+Q9/8dlfKbgx4MqZKDNTwV/VlqxC7UpeRO64 cUNCKnTtEsznAgUPBxPO =yqXg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From oej@edvina.net Wed Oct 2 23:33:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429AB21F9360 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.728 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.728 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jaw0r9xG5uq7 for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp7.webway.se (smtp7.webway.se [IPv6:2a02:920:212e::205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0236821F9EAD for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2013 23:32:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.40.16] (h87-96-134-129.dynamic.se.alltele.net [87.96.134.129]) by smtp7.webway.se (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7453B93C2A1; Thu, 3 Oct 2013 06:32:41 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C89F650C-BFF4-4E0B-8EB4-CBCC15BEE14E" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: "Olle E. Johansson" In-Reply-To: <524CA1CD.2060301@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2013 08:32:40 +0200 Message-Id: <31791EBC-47AE-4CF4-B3DB-D9991CDF51A4@edvina.net> References: <20130930215620.31558.59064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <524A7056.20900@gmail.com> <524CA1CD.2060301@stpeter.im> To: Peter Saint-Andre X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Cc: stox@ietf.org, "Olle E. Johansson" Subject: Re: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-im-04.txt - forking MESSAGE X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2013 06:33:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C89F650C-BFF4-4E0B-8EB4-CBCC15BEE14E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 3 okt 2013 kl. 00:44 skrev Peter Saint-Andre : >> - A SIP MESSAGE can fork. The draft doesn't mention that, >> something that may have impact on implementations. There's a JID on >> one side - but a forking address on the other side of this spec. - >> A SIP MESSAGE can be delivered inside of a dialog and outside of a >> dialog. Inside of a dialog is maybe out of scope for this draft, >> but in that case the remote target will be a contact address, maybe >> even a GRUU. >=20 > Hmm, and here I thought we might be able to discuss forking only in > the media I-D. But I think you're right that we need to discuss it > here, too. What specification has the best coverage of forking? Or is > this part of the "oral tradition" in the SIP community? Forking is covered in RFC 3261. Luckily there's no "early text" or that = kind of issues with forking a message - you will only get one 200 OK back (as opposed = to INVITE), which also means you will not see how many destinations that got the = MESSAGE. You can not CANCEL a MESSAGE either. You may get authentication requests = as always. RFC 4328 states: "When one user wishes to send an instant message to another, the sender formulates and issues a SIP request using the new MESSAGE method defined by this document. The Request-URI of this request will normally be the "address of record" for the recipient of the instant message, but it may be a device address in situations where the client has current information about the recipient's location." So if you have a subscription for registration information on the AOR, you might select a contact/GRUU to send a message too.=20 It also states: "Note that a downstream proxy could fork a MESSAGE request. If this occurs, the forking proxy will forward one final response upstream, even though it may receive multiple final responses. The UAC will have no way to detect whether or not a fork occurs. Therefore the UAC MUST NOT assume that a given final response represents the only UAS that receives the request. For example, multiple branches of a fork could have resulted in 2xx responses. Even though the UAC only sees one of those responses, the request has in fact been received by the second device as well. " All of this makes MESSAGE quite a poor solution for messages you want = kept private. You don't know where it's sent and even if there's authentication on the = receiving side, anyone that gets the unauthenticated request still can access the = message unless of course there's S/MIME involved.=20 Well, there was a reason MSRP was developed later. ;-) /O= --Apple-Mail=_C89F650C-BFF4-4E0B-8EB4-CBCC15BEE14E Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 stpeter@stpeter.im>:
- A SIP MESSAGE can fork. The draft = doesn't mention that,
something that may have impact on = implementations. There's a JID on
one side - but a forking address on = the other side of this spec. -
A SIP MESSAGE can be delivered inside = of a dialog and outside of a
dialog. Inside of a dialog is maybe out = of scope for this draft,
but in that case the remote target will be a = contact address, maybe
even a GRUU.

the media I-D. But I think you're = right that we need to discuss it
here, too. What specification = has the best coverage of forking? Or is
this part of the "oral = tradition" in the SIP community?
with forking a = message - you will only get one 200 OK back (as opposed to = INVITE),
which also means you will not see how many = destinations that got the MESSAGE.
You can not CANCEL a = MESSAGE either. You may get authentication requests as = always.

RFC 4328 = states:

"When = one user wishes to send an instant message to another, = the
   =
sender formulates and issues a SIP request using the new MESSAGE
   method defined by this document.  The Request-URI of this request
   will normally be the "address of record" for the recipient of the
   instant message, but it may be a device address in situations where
   the client has current information about the recipient's =
location."
So if you have a =
subscription for registration information on the AOR,
you might select a =
contact/GRUU to send a message too. 

It also states:

"Note that =
a downstream proxy could fork a MESSAGE request.  If =
this
   =
occurs, the forking proxy will forward one final response upstream,
   even though it may receive multiple final responses.  The UAC will
   have no way to detect whether or not a fork occurs.  Therefore the
   UAC MUST NOT assume that a given final response represents the only
   UAS that receives the request.  For example, multiple branches of a
   fork could have resulted in 2xx responses.  Even though the UAC only
   sees one of those responses, the request has in fact been received by
   the second device as well.
"

All = of this makes MESSAGE quite a poor solution for messages you want kept = private.
You don't know where it's sent and even if there's = authentication on the receiving side,
anyone that gets the = unauthenticated request still can access the message unless
of = course there's S/MIME involved. 

Well, = there was a reason MSRP was developed later. = ;-)


/O
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[130.79.90.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dl10sm3956153wib.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:35:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Yana Stamcheva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 12:35:57 +0200 To: "stox@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Subject: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-core-06 X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 10:36:10 -0000 The editors and the chairs believe that the following draft is now ready = and hereby start a 2-week Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-core-06 The WGLC ends on October 22, 2013. 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[130.79.90.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dl10sm3956153wib.1.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2013 03:36:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Yana Stamcheva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7228C79F-98B8-4AFE-BB7B-99ACAA269EA5@jitsi.org> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 12:36:06 +0200 To: "stox@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Subject: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 10:36:23 -0000 The editors and the chairs believe that the following draft is now ready = and hereby start a 2-week Working Group Last Call for: draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 The WGLC ends on October 22, 2013. 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Regards, Yana Stamcheva & Markus Isomaki= From yana@sip-communicator.org Tue Oct 8 06:00:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9726221E8084 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.814 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.814 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.435, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_FR=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cKIdprPZL4c6 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:00:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-f51.google.com (mail-wg0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7474D21E8056 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 05:59:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id c11so8610926wgh.18 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 05:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=gP+XVOmi6OJgnUJlqfk39N+wAE43ao43kDoZBaGluHs=; b=SBzCQUtTgJOzoecRr6SFRfEbAsvnOqHokWWzhSZ3Nwq8d2B4QOc5Vu0ENtresuAX4X plNV8pVvQLBC46oZR9rpTa2MoYyyI4/ufZNu3ka3DeQ57DS3cz9AxJNjvrc70DVVuAJ3 ugsu58YCoA93Atva4RIQQi/7GXo+OEPnpDol3h04FseR9tn0ceqYM2iwhCHOLtnZEV/v uxsaRlS1IbQF5QwCfmfB2GkmNRWqmA8BuWADnHAufBT/UNP1VqPJbyq/Fy2VO2kqVRGZ 1U656Xx8RllkQfusiGYgmKveTvcxSAI+RiXZbEu6muNcZvx5HVSmC/AHjk8KIcjQvbmP qOkA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm0BpVZ2mnUhQg/jEIOxEwqXfBUsWGsg7cFNYcg8d+91y5K3n6EVHWUXyQyLXQuCO4Fdd+/ X-Received: by 10.194.133.202 with SMTP id pe10mr1632448wjb.46.1381237193427; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 05:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from reserve-yana.u-strasbg.fr (reserve-yana.u-strasbg.fr. [130.79.90.241]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ft19sm5004346wic.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2013 05:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Yana Stamcheva In-Reply-To: <5239A280.30404@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 14:59:47 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> References: <5239A280.30404@stpeter.im> To: "stox@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Subject: [Stox] Replace Vancouver meeting by December virtual interim X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:00:28 -0000 Hi, After discussing the upcoming plan between the chairs and the authors we = have reconsidered the Vancouver meeting. Here's the current situation. We've made a 2 week WGLC on the -core and -presence drafts, which ends = on October 22. The -im and -chat drafts are almost ready and another = WGLC is previewed for both of them before October 30. We believe that an = extended discussion is mostly needed on the -media draft and = unfortunately the co-authors of that one won't be available in = Vancouver. We therefore consider that a virtual interim meeting in = December will make more sense in terms of timing and availability. So, unless there are any objections until the end of the week we plan to = cancel the Vancouver slot and organise a virtual meeting in December. Regards, Yana= From saul@ag-projects.com Tue Oct 8 06:21:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FA8621E8096 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.253 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.253 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.435, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x68WCeZ-abEO for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:21:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.sipthor.net (node16.dns-hosting.info [81.23.228.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4605421E8088 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imac.saghul.lan (ip3e830637.speed.planet.nl [62.131.6.55]) by mail3.sipthor.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE6D316DC6C6; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:22:32 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sa=FAl_Ibarra_Corretg=E9?= In-Reply-To: <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:21:16 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <07782045-397A-4BCB-929A-C55E04038CE5@ag-projects.com> References: <5239A280.30404@stpeter.im> <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> To: Yana Stamcheva X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "stox@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Stox] Replace Vancouver meeting by December virtual interim X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:21:32 -0000 On Oct 8, 2013, at 2:59 PM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: > Hi, >=20 > After discussing the upcoming plan between the chairs and the authors = we have reconsidered the Vancouver meeting. Here's the current = situation. >=20 > We've made a 2 week WGLC on the -core and -presence drafts, which ends = on October 22. The -im and -chat drafts are almost ready and another = WGLC is previewed for both of them before October 30. We believe that an = extended discussion is mostly needed on the -media draft and = unfortunately the co-authors of that one won't be available in = Vancouver. We therefore consider that a virtual interim meeting in = December will make more sense in terms of timing and availability. >=20 > So, unless there are any objections until the end of the week we plan = to cancel the Vancouver slot and organise a virtual meeting in December. >=20 +1. -- Sa=FAl Ibarra Corretg=E9 AG Projects From emcho@sip-communicator.org Tue Oct 8 06:40:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF9B21E819C for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:40:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.107 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fksahLH2Uo-l for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-f53.google.com (mail-pa0-f53.google.com [209.85.220.53]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F28A21E81C0 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f53.google.com with SMTP id kq14so8880512pab.12 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:40:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=j5VIQv88l6UVdza/VRj0bOjmdunEscf4xHuqIda+XqQ=; b=XbqbD7A9UjiJ8d6n6agQ34pQwk6u1TU6+lFIqPeLXbWZBzEMkYzr8FgOqmYUhxdpeG 8CdUFk2jDNdhSXs5ElcYxdg9F3kN1+gY8lwnPh+xN6k/izA3VA8H/cJ67gE9umi9xdWP /JogX8NzrTqmbA5womBvdKySPa/sFQzlBfK0L7LKPbkKro7pUbUWb/xun+48DZcJRYKE uWOQ0vfgCFJDjXm+AtBTjB042Yq1VrcFFbIqC7ILG5hB3eIH+0MY1hoBAMfA+fISY9RB 8bdRYd6uepFLLeVApeF6SUVOuIoOv01kGV3kKGLjT/gecLS6kXsg/dbiYL9KmPshIoab 7csg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmsIxhJSJceF/VMHay1G/UG/rVOccl0KaG1UnF0JqlV6Op+DHoNUA+ixCX0KuuRgoSF4+dH X-Received: by 10.66.218.226 with SMTP id pj2mr3759148pac.62.1381239628466; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:40:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pa0-x230.google.com (mail-pa0-x230.google.com [2607:f8b0:400e:c03::230]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id fl3sm47492207pad.10.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:40:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id bj1so8820174pad.35 for ; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.68.189.229 with SMTP id gl5mr1920356pbc.195.1381239627688; Tue, 08 Oct 2013 06:40:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.66.159.98 with HTTP; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> References: <5239A280.30404@stpeter.im> <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> From: Emil Ivov Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 15:40:06 +0200 Message-ID: To: Yana Stamcheva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "stox@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Stox] Replace Vancouver meeting by December virtual interim X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 13:40:33 -0000 Sounds good! On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: > Hi, > > After discussing the upcoming plan between the chairs and the authors we = have reconsidered the Vancouver meeting. Here's the current situation. > > We've made a 2 week WGLC on the -core and -presence drafts, which ends on= October 22. The -im and -chat drafts are almost ready and another WGLC is = previewed for both of them before October 30. We believe that an extended d= iscussion is mostly needed on the -media draft and unfortunately the co-aut= hors of that one won't be available in Vancouver. We therefore consider tha= t a virtual interim meeting in December will make more sense in terms of ti= ming and availability. > > So, unless there are any objections until the end of the week we plan to = cancel the Vancouver slot and organise a virtual meeting in December. > > Regards, > Yana > _______________________________________________ > stox mailing list > stox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox --=20 Emil Ivov, Ph.D. 67000 Strasbourg, Project Lead France Jitsi emcho@jitsi.org PHONE: +33.1.77.62.43.30 https://jitsi.org FAX: +33.1.77.62.47.31 From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Oct 8 19:07:53 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9CC721F9FC3 for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.739 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sNv0DtsNrccJ for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A595011E80FA for ; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 19:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [71.237.13.154]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 538D9414CD; Tue, 8 Oct 2013 20:13:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5254BA70.40207@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2013 20:07:44 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Yana Stamcheva , "stox@ietf.org" References: <5239A280.30404@stpeter.im> <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> In-Reply-To: <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Stox] Replace Vancouver meeting by December virtual interim X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 09 Oct 2013 02:07:54 -0000 On 10/08/2013 06:59 AM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: > Hi, > > After discussing the upcoming plan between the chairs and the authors we have reconsidered the Vancouver meeting. Here's the current situation. > > We've made a 2 week WGLC on the -core and -presence drafts, which ends on October 22. The -im and -chat drafts are almost ready and another WGLC is previewed for both of them before October 30. We believe that an extended discussion is mostly needed on the -media draft and unfortunately the co-authors of that one won't be available in Vancouver. We therefore consider that a virtual interim meeting in December will make more sense in terms of timing and availability. > > So, unless there are any objections until the end of the week we plan to cancel the Vancouver slot and organise a virtual meeting in December. Works for me. However, the fact that we're not holding a meeting will not slow the pace of updating the documents and incorporating feedback, so please keep your comments coming to the list. :-) Peter From Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com Fri Oct 11 01:26:29 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF11921E81B7 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:26:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DeET-jVmvXUi for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:26:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-da02.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.128.26]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 015CF21E81C3 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 01:25:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.mgd.nokia.com ([65.54.30.48]) by mgw-da02.nokia.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id r9B8FQuO006492 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 11:15:27 +0300 Received: from 008-AM1MPN1-043.mgdnok.nokia.com ([169.254.3.235]) by 008-AM1MMR1-014.mgdnok.nokia.com ([2002:4136:1e30::4136:1e30]) with mapi id 14.03.0136.001; Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:15:26 +0000 From: To: Thread-Topic: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, OAM, RAI, TSV Thread-Index: Ac7GWfiwUVbOsoFeRuiab9pQ8oHSsw== Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:15:25 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-tituslabs-classifications-30: TLPropertyRoot=Nokia;Confidentiality=Nokia Internal Use Only;Project=None; x-titus-version: 3.5.9.3 x-headerinfofordlp: None x-tituslabs-classificationhash-30: NgLgUAGhIMVcmkVcu9QCA28f8+8LYvtEfWEaXb0o9a9McfyuueVnEWmSBrq7uVZVD7jZwPjFf/R2YeJEK7wZXyM3qsesOxggEIfrzIGdauBcMHqDSLSAaFR7HZF5Tcei4PYryGZKuv42UYqi3B7UfjaCFNFRrunMF5JutmPCbDf91Q+upNKlWzgSAb5suGrcWXWWCkZJcSZR7zXDVvmGRHr3jZUx+/nNZXBOvdkqeiUXxhWNLWLLvq9oQBu9RwF1X/pEvdyJv4+0GWR3mqAr9IBVH4pzLASmPpcKxE3r7g0= x-originating-ip: [10.163.166.235] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [Stox] FW: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, OAM, RAI, TSV X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:26:29 -0000 NomCom is seeking for more volunteers for several IESG positions. Markus > -----Original Message----- > From: rai-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rai-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext > Gonzalo Camarillo > Sent: 11 October, 2013 09:44 > To: rai@ietf.org > Subject: [RAI] Fwd: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - > APP, OAM, RAI, TSV >=20 > Folks, >=20 > we need more volunteers (see email below). If you are thinking of running > but still have some doubts about it, feel free to talk with me (or with a= ny of > the former RAI ADs) and we will be happy to clarify everything for you. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Gonzalo >=20 >=20 > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: NOMCOM 2013 - UPDATED 2nd Call for Nominations - APP, OAM, > RAI, TSV > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 11:45:14 -0700 > From: NomCom Chair > Reply-To: > To: IETF Announcement List > CC: >=20 > UPDATE: nominations are too sparse in several of the IESG areas: APP, OA= M, > RAI, and TSV. If you know one or more of those areas, exercise your soci= al > network and submit nominations. We'll be very grateful! >=20 > Is there someone you work with at IETF who has leadership potential and a > growing track record? Please read this Nomcom call for nominations and > consider nominating her or him. Or several folks! Deadline for nomination= s is > October 18. > Nominate soon to give your nominee(s) plenty time to fill in the > questionnaire. >=20 > If you're nominated, even if you support the present incumbent, being > reviewed by Nomcom is great IETF experience. The questionnaire offers a > chance to think about IETF and about your area. Whether or not your > candidacy progresses this time, you'll have gained some valuable insights= , > and you'll have contributed greatly. This process only works because many > IETFers take part; please join in. >=20 > Lots more, including which positions are open, how to make a nomination > (including nomination of yourself), and how to send us your feedback on t= he > desired expertise, follows. >=20 > IETFers, let's hear from you! Make nominations, accept nominations! >=20 > If you have any questions about the process, feel free to get in touch wi= th > me. >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Allison for the Nomcom >=20 > Allison Mankin > Nomcom Chair 2013-14 >=20 > ----- The Info You Need for Nominating ----- >=20 > The 2013-14 Nominating Committee (Nomcom) is seeking nominations from > now until October 18, 2013. The open positions being considered by this > year's Nomcom can be found later in this section, and also on this year's > Nomcom website: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/ >=20 > Information about the desired expertise for positions is here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/expertise >=20 > Nominations may be made by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the > Nomcom 2013 home page, or by visiting the following URL: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/nominate/ >=20 > Note that nominations made using the web tool require an ietf.org > datatracker account. You can create a datatracker ietf.org account if you > don't have one already by visiting the following URL: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/accounts/create/ >=20 > Nominations may also be made by email to nomcom13 at ietf.org. > If you nominate by email, please include the word "Nominate" in the Subje= ct > and indicate in the email who is being nominated, their email address (to > confirm acceptance of the nomination), and the position for which you are > making the nomination. If you use email, please use a separate email for > each person you nominate, and for each position (if you are nominating on= e > person for multiple positions). >=20 > Self-nomination is welcome! No need to be shy. >=20 > Nomcom 2013-14 will follow the policy for "Open Disclosure of Willing > Nominees" described in RFC 5680. As stated in RFC 5680: "The list of > nominees willing to be considered for positions under review in the curre= nt > Nomcom cycle is not confidential". Willing nominees for each position wil= l be > listed in a publicly accessible way - anyone with a datatracker account m= ay > access the lists. In all other ways, the confidentiality requirements of= RFC > 3777/BCP10 remain in effect. All feedback and all Nomcom deliberations w= ill > remain confidential and will not be disclosed. >=20 > In order to ensure time to collect sufficient community feedback about ea= ch > of the willing nominees, nominations must be received by the Nomcom on or > before October 18, 2013. Please submit your nominations as early as poss= ible > for the sake of your nominees, as we've set the questionnaire submission > deadline for October 25, 2013. >=20 > The list of people and posts whose terms end with the March 2014 IETF > meeting, and thus the positions for which we are accepting nominations: >=20 > IAOC > Chris Griffiths >=20 > IAB > Bernard Aboba > Marc Blanchet > Ross Callon > Eliot Lear > Hannes Tschofenig >=20 > IESG > Barry Leiba (Applications) > Brian Haberman (Internet) > Benoit Claise (Operations and Management) Gonzalo Camarillo (RAI) Stewart > Bryant (Routing) Sean Turner (Security) Martin Stiemerling (Transport) >=20 > Please be resourceful in identifying possible candidates for these positi= ons, > as developing our talent is a very crucial requirement for the IETF. Als= o, > please give serious consideration to accepting nominations you receive. >=20 > The summaries of the desired expertise for the positions, developed by th= e > respective bodies, are found at: >=20 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/nomcom/2013/expertise/ >=20 > In addition to nominations, the Nomcom seeks community input on the > positions themselves. We need and welcome the community's views and > input on the jobs within each organization. If you have ideas on the posi= tions' > responsibilities (more, less, different), please let us know. You can se= nd us > email about this to > nomcom13 at ietf.org, and we will use this feedback actively. >=20 > Thank you for your help in nominating a great pool of strong and interest= ing > nominees! >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > RAI mailing list > RAI@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rai From yana@sip-communicator.org Mon Oct 14 14:43:17 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F36E21F9C60 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:43:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nBhRyvYnkGUG for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4AE21E817A for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:43:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wi0-f172.google.com with SMTP id ez12so666356wid.11 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=mBt2KgEmUoMi8ufH3nJ+40AwA8S2qEm4C/laUgf98RM=; b=I4SjFxIzUlLYLmdV8TmcjX1Wz76lz6kwpNK/BXzXwsZNa7eKOv+V3BG0+nlcZFHVLm SX99pQYxrGZHgTQenusbYRsuGl6q7vmME7uEW0CKJ2ev0gka0uxLZghRb75UAI1zNa66 z9Hrms2jfXb3bFlvI3mJ+RH498sYXXpZtl0ElR4/jy8ItHqk6OGQvNAVLTJ9vOQu0YpP e1Xlwp3k5/nIns6SXrdgZqNTKyLTyWvEB3yl6uDXOiXcLiJ0wfEqNVmOamEQlOkD1aMV pja3CEwnr2T0XvwJZY4+xZMXVU9i3LjbcyEX1QsAbebMPzVaKIlqY75EdobvN4kiSK1u HYmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnPO0urSq9338U2w6hU83wcegEXr3bPj87TcAiUJS2qMQl3McSDU2qzieCHNpDPfUgmkoA5 X-Received: by 10.180.160.212 with SMTP id xm20mr16286321wib.23.1381786988847; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:43:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (lec67-2-82-226-207-96.fbx.proxad.net. [82.226.207.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ft19sm38274408wic.5.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 14:43:07 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Yana Stamcheva In-Reply-To: <5254BA70.40207@stpeter.im> Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:43:03 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6145A711-D063-48F6-80D3-D86024661BC5@jitsi.org> References: <5239A280.30404@stpeter.im> <2A8333AA-CA1D-4A46-B7CA-7EFE89F57AEB@jitsi.org> <5254BA70.40207@stpeter.im> To: "stox@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Subject: Re: [Stox] Replace Vancouver meeting by December virtual interim X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 21:43:17 -0000 Hello, Please note that the Vancouver meeting is now canceled. However a = Virtual Interim Meeting will be organised in December. The meeting will = be mainly focused on the -media draft and would aim an 1h30 extended = discussion on all open issues. Please use the following poll to indicate your availabilities for the = first three weeks of December before November 11: http://www.doodle.com/eqrnsuht8n32zfg7 Note that the purpose of the suggested hour ranges is to only indicate = the approximate time at which the meeting will be held. Once we've = chosen a particular day and time range we should be able to easily fix = the exact hours. Please use the "(yes)" option to indicate your "if need = be" or "not sure" availabilities. A preliminary agenda will be sent to the list later on. Regards, Yana Stamcheva On Oct 9, 2013, at 4:07 AM, Peter Saint-Andre = wrote: > On 10/08/2013 06:59 AM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> After discussing the upcoming plan between the chairs and the authors = we have reconsidered the Vancouver meeting. Here's the current = situation. >>=20 >> We've made a 2 week WGLC on the -core and -presence drafts, which = ends on October 22. The -im and -chat drafts are almost ready and = another WGLC is previewed for both of them before October 30. We believe = that an extended discussion is mostly needed on the -media draft and = unfortunately the co-authors of that one won't be available in = Vancouver. We therefore consider that a virtual interim meeting in = December will make more sense in terms of timing and availability. >>=20 >> So, unless there are any objections until the end of the week we plan = to cancel the Vancouver slot and organise a virtual meeting in December. > Works for me. However, the fact that we're not holding a meeting will = not slow the pace of updating the documents and incorporating feedback, = so please keep your comments coming to the list. :-) >=20 > Peter >=20 From yana@sip-communicator.org Mon Oct 14 15:12:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C27B21E8133 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:12:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.164 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.164 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.435, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H4NOnwy88ZNp for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:12:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-we0-f172.google.com (mail-we0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B836621E80AA for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id q58so7787833wes.3 for ; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :subject:message-id:date:to:mime-version; bh=UEoloEfXnLIRhzgY2lFAd1JPWJmJOSlt5VwOz373Xcg=; b=Fk5Shu0oVxzaqocJjQqAcAKRj0WZPARMwYDFnc/aRSgaFNVdK6jESy/4dZ5G0ziUfn pAbo7I+84u3BirnKaS7O7d71NYgMdUFmHmuYtlK2+Srn4v+8zUtscN7ci6YQdCHuOtXK XS6dFaTV+uz9vpGR2mNql/H6PpFx2hiQGN3T0n8yKiZoRKqN2sJVrnat03iRHkqoiYOG j/Z/sNFBcXPr3+itCNPepsYBW1OohkMHQ7ulNuV941COdsZx7zkW48J1c8ExDque++Jq 3cfKplMzAApkqNxy9qZd0E4qrbDOtGC+6fXr+b0CORR1B4dHtZ57fRRpaLHt8zIUIelf a7kg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkoCR+4cf2PJiwvmccqGC6UDCKMPD49ORS4/xeZfVOM7uUONEqwXkoChlEBvWO9H4tuv/0r X-Received: by 10.194.77.167 with SMTP id t7mr31268142wjw.27.1381788725638; Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:12:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.31] (lec67-2-82-226-207-96.fbx.proxad.net. [82.226.207.96]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k4sm85000wic.0.2013.10.14.15.12.04 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Oct 2013 15:12:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Yana Stamcheva Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2013 00:11:59 +0200 To: "stox@ietf.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Subject: [Stox] Reminder WGLC on -core and -presence X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Oct 2013 22:12:11 -0000 This is a reminder for the WGLC on: draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-core-06 draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 One week left until the deadline October 22, 2013. If you've reviewed the documents, please don't forget to send a note to = the list with any remaining issues you may have found or just that you = find the documents complete. Regards, Yana Stamcheva= From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Oct 16 20:21:47 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6912821F9D17 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:21:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.924 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.924 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.195, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4XWCHqHUuerJ for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EB021F9CA8 for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 20:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (unknown [71.237.13.154]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53C5D4101A for ; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:27:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <525F57C0.3020809@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:21:36 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stox@ietf.org References: <20130930215620.31558.59064.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <524A7056.20900@gmail.com> <524CA1CD.2060301@stpeter.im> <31791EBC-47AE-4CF4-B3DB-D9991CDF51A4@edvina.net> In-Reply-To: <31791EBC-47AE-4CF4-B3DB-D9991CDF51A4@edvina.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-im-04.txt - forking MESSAGE X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 03:21:47 -0000 On 10/03/2013 12:32 AM, Olle E. Johansson wrote: > > 3 okt 2013 kl. 00:44 skrev Peter Saint-Andre : > >>> - A SIP MESSAGE can fork. The draft doesn't mention that, >>> something that may have impact on implementations. There's a JID on >>> one side - but a forking address on the other side of this spec. - >>> A SIP MESSAGE can be delivered inside of a dialog and outside of a >>> dialog. Inside of a dialog is maybe out of scope for this draft, >>> but in that case the remote target will be a contact address, maybe >>> even a GRUU. >> >> Hmm, and here I thought we might be able to discuss forking only in >> the media I-D. But I think you're right that we need to discuss it >> here, too. What specification has the best coverage of forking? Or is >> this part of the "oral tradition" in the SIP community? > > Forking is covered in RFC 3261. Luckily there's no "early text" or that kind of issues > with forking a message - you will only get one 200 OK back (as opposed to INVITE), > which also means you will not see how many destinations that got the MESSAGE. > You can not CANCEL a MESSAGE either. You may get authentication requests as always. > > RFC 4328 states: > > "When one user wishes to send an instant message to another, the > sender formulates and issues a SIP request using the new MESSAGE > method defined by this document. The Request-URI of this request > will normally be the "address of record" for the recipient of the > instant message, but it may be a device address in situations where > the client has current information about the recipient's location." > > So if you have a subscription for registration information on the AOR, > you might select a contact/GRUU to send a message too. > > It also states: > > "Note that a downstream proxy could fork a MESSAGE request. If this > occurs, the forking proxy will forward one final response upstream, > even though it may receive multiple final responses. The UAC will > have no way to detect whether or not a fork occurs. Therefore the > UAC MUST NOT assume that a given final response represents the only > UAS that receives the request. For example, multiple branches of a > fork could have resulted in 2xx responses. Even though the UAC only > sees one of those responses, the request has in fact been received by > the second device as well. > " Thanks for the clarifications! I'll work to incorporate some of those insights into the -im document. > All of this makes MESSAGE quite a poor solution for messages you want kept private. > You don't know where it's sent and even if there's authentication on the receiving side, > anyone that gets the unauthenticated request still can access the message unless > of course there's S/MIME involved. Indeed. > Well, there was a reason MSRP was developed later. ;-) "If at first you don't succeed..." Mind you, we've had our share of failed extensions in the XMPP commuity, too. Peter From fippo@goodadvice.pages.de Thu Oct 17 14:31:07 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D96411E8202 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:31:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LhgXb-aS5J04 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:31:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lo.psyced.org (lost.IN.psyced.org [188.40.42.221]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CC011E8185 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.94] (74-93-184-209-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.93.184.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by lo.psyced.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r9HLUkHu012582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:30:57 +0200 Message-ID: <52605705.1020601@goodadvice.pages.de> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:30:45 +0200 From: Philipp Hancke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stox@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-core-06 X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:31:07 -0000 Am 08.10.2013 12:35, schrieb Yana Stamcheva: > The editors and the chairs believe that the following draft is now ready and hereby start a 2-week Working Group Last Call for: Overall the document is looking good to me. Nits: - in section 1 it could abbreviate the XMPP Standards foundation as XSF - section 3: "application specific connection managers" reminds me of the terminology used by the first jabberd server. Is that clear to everyone else? - there is an extra whitespace before the opening parenthesis in the second paragraph of section 3. I'm also wondering if it would make sense to transform the parenthesised text into a Note: - the most recent version of XEP 0106 is from June 2007, not May 2005 as stated in section 9.2 From fippo@goodadvice.pages.de Thu Oct 17 14:43:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C982011E81BD for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.429 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.429 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZfO-WnMbePxv for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:43:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lo.psyced.org (lost.IN.psyced.org [188.40.42.221]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3161111E8192 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 14:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.94] (74-93-184-209-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.93.184.209]) (authenticated bits=0) by lo.psyced.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r9HLhQqI013022 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:43:30 +0200 Message-ID: <526059FD.7040201@goodadvice.pages.de> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 23:43:25 +0200 From: Philipp Hancke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stox@ietf.org References: <7228C79F-98B8-4AFE-BB7B-99ACAA269EA5@jitsi.org> In-Reply-To: <7228C79F-98B8-4AFE-BB7B-99ACAA269EA5@jitsi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 21:43:40 -0000 > Please review the document and bring any remaining issues, or issues whose resolution is not satisfactory, to the attention of the Working Group on this list before October 22. If after reviewing the document you find it complete and do not have any comments, please send a note to that effect as well. LGTM, with the usual nits: - 3.2.1 Establishing should probably mention what is established (a presence subscription), same for the rest of the section headers, also in 3.3. - "Upon receiving the first NOTIFY with a subscription state of active..." -- I wanted to comment that the xmpp subscription state should be none+out, but it's no longer clear to me whether I am assuming too much intelligence in the gateway. - after example 8, should the unsubscribed stana be sent when receiving an ack for that (which is not shown)? It doesn't matter much however. - "or, if a subscription already exists in the XMPP user's roster, discard the subscribe request" -- I think 6121 says the server should send subscribed without bothering the user. Simplifies the following paragraph. - "translating the NOTIFU" before example 20 is a typo obviously. From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Oct 17 15:39:51 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B00FD11E8137 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:39:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.939 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.939 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.210, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LrUZwx6U-ly5 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9065711E8192 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [128.107.239.234]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F061C4100F; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:46:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5260672C.9040604@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:39:40 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philipp Hancke References: <52605705.1020601@goodadvice.pages.de> In-Reply-To: <52605705.1020601@goodadvice.pages.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-core-06 X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:39:51 -0000 On 10/17/13 3:30 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: > Am 08.10.2013 12:35, schrieb Yana Stamcheva: >> The editors and the chairs believe that the following draft is now >> ready and hereby start a 2-week Working Group Last Call for: > > Overall the document is looking good to me. > > Nits: > - in section 1 it could abbreviate the XMPP Standards foundation as XSF Sure. > - section 3: "application specific connection managers" reminds me of > the terminology used by the first jabberd server. Is that clear to > everyone else? Hmm. Well, some XMPP servers have supported things like connections from SMS or SIP or HTTP or Web Services etc. That's usually been done using code that we traditionally have called a connection manager. I'm not sure of a better, more descriptive term. But "protocol-specific connection managers" seems a bit better. > - there is an extra whitespace before the opening parenthesis in the > second paragraph of section 3. I'm also wondering if it would make > sense to transform the parenthesised text into a Note: WFM. > - the most recent version of XEP 0106 is from June 2007, not May 2005 as > stated in section 9.2 Noted. Thanks! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Oct 17 15:51:25 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C4C11E81DE for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:51:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.631 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.631 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.502, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_43=0.6, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J3QZzYJoM4PO for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 642A811E8213 for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:51:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [128.107.239.234]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19BCE4100F; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:57:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <526069DF.6050309@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:51:11 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philipp Hancke References: <7228C79F-98B8-4AFE-BB7B-99ACAA269EA5@jitsi.org> <526059FD.7040201@goodadvice.pages.de> In-Reply-To: <526059FD.7040201@goodadvice.pages.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Stox] WGLC for draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:51:25 -0000 On 10/17/13 3:43 PM, Philipp Hancke wrote: >> Please review the document and bring any remaining issues, or issues >> whose resolution is not satisfactory, to the attention of the Working >> Group on this list before October 22. If after reviewing the document >> you find it complete and do not have any comments, please send a note >> to that effect as well. > > LGTM, with the usual nits: > > - 3.2.1 Establishing > should probably mention what is established (a presence subscription), > same for the rest of the section headers, also in 3.3. Yes. I think it would be good to modify the main section headings too, as follows: 3. Subscriptions to Presence Information 4. Notifications of Presence Information 5. Requests for Presence Information > - "Upon receiving the first NOTIFY with a subscription state of > active..." -- I wanted to comment that the xmpp subscription state > should be none+out, but it's no longer clear to me whether I am assuming > too much intelligence in the gateway. Agreed. I would hope the gateways don't need to be that smart. > - after example 8, should the unsubscribed stana be sent when receiving > an ack for that (which is not shown)? It doesn't matter much however. Hmm, I don't know if it's necessary for the gateway to receive an ack from the SIP users before sending the unsubscribed. > - "or, if a subscription already exists in the XMPP user's roster, > discard the subscribe request" -- I think 6121 says the server should > send subscribed without bothering the user. Simplifies the following > paragraph. True. That's better... In accordance with [RFC6121], the XMPP user's server MUST deliver the presence subscription request to the XMPP user (or, if a subscription already exists in the XMPP user's roster, send a presence stanza of type 'subscribed'). > - "translating the NOTIFU" before example 20 is a typo obviously. Indeed. Thanks for the review! Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Oct 17 15:56:48 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3C711E82CD for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:56:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.913 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.913 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.184, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1ewS0mtKa7Vu for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:56:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDF311E81DE for ; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 15:56:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [128.107.239.234]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A167E4100F; Thu, 17 Oct 2013 17:03:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <52606B26.6010703@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 16:56:38 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com References: <523C44FE.3080407@stpeter.im> In-Reply-To: <523C44FE.3080407@stpeter.im> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Stox] IETF 87 minutes X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2013 22:56:48 -0000 On 9/20/13 6:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 8/14/13 1:19 PM, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com wrote: > >> * Groupchat > >> - Issue: Need to define what to do in case of multiple clients. Use >> and mapping of JID, AoR, contact. > > I think I'll need to listen to the audio recording to remember exactly > what the issue is here. Will do and report further. I listened to the audio recording [1], starting around 39:30 and ending around 47:00. Based on that discussion, Saúl took an action item to write a message to the list describing the problem. Based on the discussion, I think Saúl has a clearer idea of the issue here than I do. :-) Peter [1] http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf87/ietf87-charlottenburg1-20130801-1700-pm3.mp3 From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Oct 18 14:29:44 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A6D11E8343; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.417, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GYKcrBg2-Box; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E26F11E81F2; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.80.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131018212943.21929.63637.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:29:43 -0700 Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-core-07.txt X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:29:44 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group of the IETF. Title : Interworking between the Session Initiation Protocol (SI= P) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Architecture,= Addresses, and Error Handling Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre Avshalom Houri Joe Hildebrand Filename : draft-ietf-stox-core-07.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2013-10-18 Abstract: As a foundation for the definition of bidirectional protocol mappings between the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP), this document specifies the architectural assumptions underlying such mappings as well as the mapping of addresses and error conditions. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stox-core There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-core-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-stox-core-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Oct 18 14:31:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A86A11E8346; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.136 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.136 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.406, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kuKTcKmo-j-y; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94BC11E82E3; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:31:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.80.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131018213132.21911.94407.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:31:32 -0700 Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-presence-06.txt X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:31:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group of the IETF. Title : Interworking between the Session Initiation Protocol (SI= P) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Presence Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre Avshalom Houri Joe Hildebrand Filename : draft-ietf-stox-presence-06.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2013-10-18 Abstract: This document defines a bi-directional protocol mapping for the exchange of presence information between the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stox-presence There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-presence-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-stox-presence-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Oct 18 14:32:28 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02B0A11E834D; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:32:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.127 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.127 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.397, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iDBxHHsgo5LB; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93F8411E8343; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:32:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.80.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131018213225.21887.41173.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:32:25 -0700 Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-im-05.txt X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:32:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group of the IETF. Title : Interworking between the Session Initiation Protocol (SI= P) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): Instant Messa= ging Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre Avshalom Houri Joe Hildebrand Filename : draft-ietf-stox-im-05.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2013-10-18 Abstract: This document defines a bidirectional protocol mapping for the exchange of single instant messages between the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stox-im There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-im-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-stox-im-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From internet-drafts@ietf.org Fri Oct 18 14:42:42 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1154E11E8184; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.122 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.122 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.392, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lqv1RTzJ-i90; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:42:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993F411E81DB; Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:42:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.80.p3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20131018214239.21911.42758.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 14:42:39 -0700 Cc: stox@ietf.org Subject: [Stox] I-D Action: draft-ietf-stox-chat-03.txt X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2013 21:42:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group of the IETF. Title : Interworking between the Session Initiation Protocol (SI= P) and the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP): One-to-One Te= xt Chat Sessions Author(s) : Peter Saint-Andre Salvatore Loreto Filename : draft-ietf-stox-chat-03.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2013-10-18 Abstract: This document defines a bidirectional protocol mapping for the exchange of instant messages in the context of a one-to-one chat session between a user of the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) and a user of the Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP). Specifically for SIP text chat, this document specifies a mapping to the Message Session Relay Protocol (MSRP). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-stox-chat There's also a htmlized version available at: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-chat-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: http://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-stox-chat-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From saul@ag-projects.com Mon Oct 21 01:01:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65A411E834C for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:01:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.348, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wSPxMiV1ai1D for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:01:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.sipthor.net (node16.dns-hosting.info [81.23.228.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37DF11E8356 for ; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 01:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imac.saghul.lan (ip3e830637.speed.planet.nl [62.131.6.55]) by mail3.sipthor.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EE56D16DC710; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:04:38 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sa=FAl_Ibarra_Corretg=E9?= In-Reply-To: <52606B26.6010703@stpeter.im> Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 10:01:02 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2F2F9826-1486-4989-ACE5-2680DF404D1C@ag-projects.com> References: <523C44FE.3080407@stpeter.im> <52606B26.6010703@stpeter.im> To: Peter Saint-Andre X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: stox@ietf.org, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Stox] IETF 87 minutes X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 08:01:24 -0000 On Oct 18, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > On 9/20/13 6:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 8/14/13 1:19 PM, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com wrote: >>=20 >>> * Groupchat >>=20 >>> - Issue: Need to define what to do in case of multiple clients. Use >>> and mapping of JID, AoR, contact. >>=20 >> I think I'll need to listen to the audio recording to remember = exactly >> what the issue is here. Will do and report further. >=20 > I listened to the audio recording [1], starting around 39:30 and = ending > around 47:00. Based on that discussion, Sa=FAl took an action item to > write a message to the list describing the problem. Based on the > discussion, I think Sa=FAl has a clearer idea of the issue here than I = do. :-) >=20 Sorry, I've been traveling for the past week, will get back to this = asap. > Peter >=20 > [1] > = http://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf87/ietf87-charlottenburg1-20130801-1700-pm3.= mp3 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > stox mailing list > stox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox -- Sa=FAl Ibarra Corretg=E9 AG Projects From stpeter@stpeter.im Wed Oct 23 09:47:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDBA511E8457 for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:47:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.795 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.795 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.366, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id prp8DSaYZq5E for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:47:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA41411E81BE for ; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 09:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [128.107.239.233]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 504164100F; Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:53:30 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <5267FD44.4070901@stpeter.im> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 10:45:56 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Sa=FAl_Ibarra_Corretg=E9?= References: <523C44FE.3080407@stpeter.im> <52606B26.6010703@stpeter.im> <2F2F9826-1486-4989-ACE5-2680DF404D1C@ag-projects.com> In-Reply-To: <2F2F9826-1486-4989-ACE5-2680DF404D1C@ag-projects.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: stox@ietf.org, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com Subject: Re: [Stox] IETF 87 minutes X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 16:47:14 -0000 On 10/21/13 2:01 AM, Saúl Ibarra Corretgé wrote: > > On Oct 18, 2013, at 12:56 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: > >> On 9/20/13 6:52 AM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >>> On 8/14/13 1:19 PM, Markus.Isomaki@nokia.com wrote: >>> >>>> * Groupchat >>> >>>> - Issue: Need to define what to do in case of multiple clients. Use >>>> and mapping of JID, AoR, contact. >>> >>> I think I'll need to listen to the audio recording to remember exactly >>> what the issue is here. Will do and report further. >> >> I listened to the audio recording [1], starting around 39:30 and ending >> around 47:00. Based on that discussion, Saúl took an action item to >> write a message to the list describing the problem. Based on the >> discussion, I think Saúl has a clearer idea of the issue here than I do. :-) >> > > Sorry, I've been traveling for the past week, will get back to this asap. No worries, I've been super-busy too. After thinking about it further, I believe that we don't actually need much text here, but you and I could work on something to propose to the list. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From saul@ag-projects.com Fri Oct 25 01:38:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C8F11E82E4 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:38:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.243 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.243 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.155, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, J_CHICKENPOX_22=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DESuLisJfJg7 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.sipthor.net (node16.dns-hosting.info [81.23.228.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D3011E815A for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 01:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imac.saghul.lan (ip3e830637.speed.planet.nl [62.131.6.55]) by mail3.sipthor.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1A9B16DC722; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:42:33 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sa=FAl_Ibarra_Corretg=E9?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:38:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1B5D6CBE-2151-4749-8A7C-8122B04BB071@ag-projects.com> To: stox@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: Peter Saint-Andre Subject: [Stox] On generating RFC4575 participants list out of a MUC X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 08:38:24 -0000 Hi all, This is regarding the issue I mentioned at the meeting in Berlin to = which Peter referred recently. In 4575 there are 2 types of entities which kind of relate to = participants: users and endpoints. Each user contains a list of = endpoints. As per the RFC: - "The element is a container of child elements, each describing a single participant in the conference." - "By including one or more elements under a parent element, the server can provide the desired level of detail (including the state, media streams, and access information) about the user's devices and signaling sessions taking part in the conference." In SIP a user would be an AoR and an endpoint would be the contact or = GRUU. In XMPP tough, things are a bit more complicated. In the beginning I = thought we could use the user bare JID as the element and the = occupant JID as the , but in practice this is not going to = work, because the real JID is not always available in a MUC. So, considering that, here is how I propose we proceed: - element entity is the occupant JID - if the real JID is available, it MAY be added as a = child element of (4575, sec 5.6.2) (based on local policy) - entity is also the occupant JID Neither user entity or endpoint entity is an xs:ID, so using it in both = places doesn't invalidate the document :-) Thoughts? -- Sa=FAl Ibarra Corretg=E9 AG Projects From saul@ag-projects.com Fri Oct 25 09:14:15 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255A711E83F7 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:14:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.086 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.086 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.268, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d2zRWhZvT4dg for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:14:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3.sipthor.net (node16.dns-hosting.info [81.23.228.161]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C84E11E8381 for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:14:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from imac.saghul.lan (ip3e830637.speed.planet.nl [62.131.6.55]) by mail3.sipthor.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 648EF16DC724; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:18:31 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sa=FAl_Ibarra_Corretg=E9?= In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 18:14:08 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Yana Stamcheva X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Cc: "stox@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Stox] Reminder WGLC on -core and -presence X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Oct 2013 16:14:15 -0000 I'm ok with the documents moving forward. Regards, On Oct 15, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: > This is a reminder for the WGLC on: >=20 > draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-core-06 > draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : = http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 >=20 > One week left until the deadline October 22, 2013. >=20 > If you've reviewed the documents, please don't forget to send a note = to the list with any remaining issues you may have found or just that = you find the documents complete. >=20 > Regards, > Yana Stamcheva > _______________________________________________ > stox mailing list > stox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox -- Sa=FAl Ibarra Corretg=E9 AG Projects From emcho@sip-communicator.org Fri Oct 25 09:23:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD5C11E834C for ; Fri, 25 Oct 2013 09:23:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.809 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.809 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.703, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pdUaVNh5S5+5 for ; 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charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 I think there has been enough discussion and several implementations. --sent from my mobile On 25 Oct 2013 18:14, "Sa=FAl Ibarra Corretg=E9" wro= te: > I'm ok with the documents moving forward. > > Regards, > > On Oct 15, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: > > > This is a reminder for the WGLC on: > > > > draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-core-06 > > draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 > > > > One week left until the deadline October 22, 2013. > > > > If you've reviewed the documents, please don't forget to send a note to > the list with any remaining issues you may have found or just that you fi= nd > the documents complete. > > > > Regards, > > Yana Stamcheva > > _______________________________________________ > > stox mailing list > > stox@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox > > -- > Sa=FAl Ibarra Corretg=E9 > AG Projects > > > > _______________________________________________ > stox mailing list > stox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox > --047d7b15b0e7f61da504e9932b5d Content-Type: text/html; 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+1

I think there has been enough discussion and several impleme= ntations.

--sent from my mobile

On 25 Oct 2013 18:14, "Sa=FAl Ibarra Corret= g=E9" <saul@ag-projects.com= > wrote:
I'm ok with the documents moving forward.

Regards,

On Oct 15, 2013, at 12:11 AM, Yana Stamcheva wrote:

> This is a reminder for the WGLC on:
>
> draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-= stox-core-06
> draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : http://tools.ietf.org/html/dra= ft-ietf-stox-presence-05
>
> One week left until the deadline October 22, 2013.
>
> If you've reviewed the documents, please don't forget to send = a note to the list with any remaining issues you may have found or just tha= t you find the documents complete.
>
> Regards,
> Yana Stamcheva
> _______________________________________________
> stox mailing list
> stox@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox

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--047d7b15b0e7f61da504e9932b5d-- From fippo@goodadvice.pages.de Sun Oct 27 11:52:37 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C69E11E829C for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:52:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.729 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.729 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QAhICJQ411Y4 for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lo.psyced.org (lost.IN.psyced.org [188.40.42.221]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B1C211E829A for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:52:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (p5497107D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.151.16.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by lo.psyced.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9.4) with ESMTP id r9RIqO2j014441 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 27 Oct 2013 19:52:25 +0100 Message-ID: <526D60EB.4090100@goodadvice.pages.de> Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 19:52:27 +0100 From: Philipp Hancke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130803 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stox@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [Stox] Reminder WGLC on -core and -presence X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2013 18:52:37 -0000 Am 25.10.2013 18:14, schrieb Saúl Ibarra Corretgé: > I'm ok with the documents moving forward. +1 -- Peter fixed my remaining issues with the usual swiftness ;-) From mary.ietf.barnes@gmail.com Tue Oct 29 15:02:13 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: stox@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAC0D21E80AB for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:02:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.271, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_MLH_Stock1=0.87, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OXQDyLkg0c0i for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:02:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wg0-x234.google.com (mail-wg0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c00::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17BEE21E8094 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wg0-f52.google.com with SMTP id k14so510091wgh.19 for ; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=8ob8K6D25ygzIBk0B2htprpgIbhzVWQ+SriLcCB1/DA=; b=Yed4zRtamLxfHMwvuFGmWPTA1qHHi6e8FnNpx1mzRT9D7XejdXrcCokFZ74CswzSKo YF/66EpS76KimTx9og0svg+POmsPhHXWJ61okIXCrjF17OoR0vT5ukH1/Jw/TigRjEJN voccQYRPJfzTB3e+XGZ372HOzjfKSejTfhyda+vzNcXhpA1PeXYfZ5cOiwkG0t7dmvV0 XzOme2rLN4NRvldPNDuq+fQEfxrM27UrJNQwLBQk9Gj5ERVNGhlyn6NkIcoJ7vE4pV0T R4mOCpFMDDnc04C+Yv77UpoJ6zVxzI4kIK5feermwIisaOrrxBHuWHkqrGcSp1gsFkI9 kj5Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.188.49 with SMTP id fx17mr14576293wic.33.1383084132297; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.36.4 with HTTP; Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:02:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 17:02:12 -0500 Message-ID: From: Mary Barnes To: stox@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c25bda6673df04e9e85eb7 Cc: draft-ietf-stox-core@tools.ietf.org, Yana Stamcheva Subject: Re: [Stox] Reminder WGLC on -core and -presence X-BeenThere: stox@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: SIP-TO-XMPP Working Group discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2013 22:02:13 -0000 --001a11c25bda6673df04e9e85eb7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I apologize for the delay in re-reviewing the document. I originally reviewed the -02 version and all the comments I made were addressed in the -03. I have also reviewed the changes since the -03 and even with a single nit identified below the document is ready to progress. Regards, Mary. Nit: - Section 5.3, 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence. This text was changed in the -04 and there's a missing ")". I think it should be after [RFC3986] (before the comma). On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Yana Stamcheva wrote: > This is a reminder for the WGLC on: > > draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-core-06 > draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 > > One week left until the deadline October 22, 2013. > > If you've reviewed the documents, please don't forget to send a note to > the list with any remaining issues you may have found or just that you find > the documents complete. > > Regards, > Yana Stamcheva > _______________________________________________ > stox mailing list > stox@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/stox > --001a11c25bda6673df04e9e85eb7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I apologize for the delay in re-reviewing the document. = =A0I originally reviewed the -02 version and all the comments I made were a= ddressed in the -03. =A0I have also reviewed the changes since the -03 and = even with a single nit identified below the document is ready to progress.<= div>
Regards,
Mary.=A0

Nit= :

- Section 5.3, 3rd paragraph, 1st sentence.=A0 This text was changed in= the -04 and there's a missing ")".=A0 I think it should be a= fter [RFC3986] (before the comma).=A0



On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Yana Stamcheva <= yana@jitsi.org><= /span> wrote:
This is a reminder for the WGLC on:

draft-ietf-stox-core-06 : http://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-ietf-stox-core-06
draft-ietf-stox-presence-05 : http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-ietf-stox-presence-05

One week left until the deadline October 22, 2013.

If you've reviewed the documents, please don't forget to send a not= e to the list with any remaining issues you may have found or just that you= find the documents complete.

Regards,
Yana Stamcheva
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